
Who the hell are these people and why can't they configure their
own MTA?

Vince.
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From: MAILER-DAEMON@ic.kharkov.ua
To: vev@michvhf.com
Subject: failure notice

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at ic.kharkov.ua.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>:
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:38:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>, Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>,
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > OK, no one complained/commented on my idea of having global users have a
> > > trailing '@', so here is a patch that implements that.  It has the
> > > advantages of:
> >
> > Probably because not everyone saw it.  I know I didn't.  This entire
> > issue is growing more and more complex.  How about a configure item
> > to not even compile it in?  Or better yet, a configure item to put
> > it there with the default off.
>
> I think I am prety close, and I don't see a configure flag as any better
> than a GUC option that is off by default.

But how many people would even use it?  I can't see adding the bloat
unnecessarily and risking it accidently being turned on.  Am I wrong
and really alot of people actually want/need this?

Vince.
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Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0400 (EDT)
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
failure notice (fwd)

Yep, I just sent email to Marc to remove them.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> 
> Who the hell are these people and why can't they configure their
> own MTA?
> 
> Vince.
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> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: 15 Aug 2002 16:47:22 -0000
> From: MAILER-DAEMON@ic.kharkov.ua
> To: vev@michvhf.com
> Subject: failure notice
> 
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at ic.kharkov.ua.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
> 
> <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>:
> Connected to 192.204.191.242 but sender was rejected.
> Remote host said: 550 5.0.0 Go away, your mailserver is broken
> 
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
> 
> Return-Path: <vev@michvhf.com>
> Received: (qmail 62268 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 16:46:47 -0000
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> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:38:45 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
> To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
> Cc: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>, Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>,
> 	PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items
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> On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> 
> > Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, no one complained/commented on my idea of having global users have a
> > > > trailing '@', so here is a patch that implements that.  It has the
> > > > advantages of:
> > >
> > > Probably because not everyone saw it.  I know I didn't.  This entire
> > > issue is growing more and more complex.  How about a configure item
> > > to not even compile it in?  Or better yet, a configure item to put
> > > it there with the default off.
> >
> > I think I am prety close, and I don't see a configure flag as any better
> > than a GUC option that is off by default.
> 
> But how many people would even use it?  I can't see adding the bloat
> unnecessarily and risking it accidently being turned on.  Am I wrong
> and really alot of people actually want/need this?
> 
> Vince.
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Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:44:35 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: failure notice (fwd)
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes:
> Who the hell are these people and why can't they configure their
> own MTA?

>> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at ic.kharkov.ua.
>> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
>> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

>> <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>:
>> Connected to 192.204.191.242 but sender was rejected.
>> Remote host said: 550 5.0.0 Go away, your mailserver is broken

Oh my.  I started blocking them about two hours ago after the first
dozen or so duplicate copies of messages came through here.  It didn't
occur to me that I might be making the problem worse for other victims :-(.
Sorry about that.

Marc, would you please kill whoever-it-is-at-kharkov.ua from the mailing
lists, pronto?

			regards, tom lane

Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:19:17 -0400
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: failure notice (fwd) 

all gone ...

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

>
> Who the hell are these people and why can't they configure their
> own MTA?
>
> Vince.
> --
> ==========================================================================
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>          56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: 15 Aug 2002 16:47:22 -0000
> From: MAILER-DAEMON@ic.kharkov.ua
> To: vev@michvhf.com
> Subject: failure notice
>
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at ic.kharkov.ua.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
> <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>:
> Connected to 192.204.191.242 but sender was rejected.
> Remote host said: 550 5.0.0 Go away, your mailserver is broken
>
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>
> Return-Path: <vev@michvhf.com>
> Received: (qmail 62268 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 16:46:47 -0000
> Received: from dialup44.kharkov.ukrpack.net (HELO dual.shena.ic.kharkov.ua) (212.1.112.156)
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> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:38:45 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
> To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
> Cc: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>, Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>,
> 	PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items
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> On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, no one complained/commented on my idea of having global users have a
> > > > trailing '@', so here is a patch that implements that.  It has the
> > > > advantages of:
> > >
> > > Probably because not everyone saw it.  I know I didn't.  This entire
> > > issue is growing more and more complex.  How about a configure item
> > > to not even compile it in?  Or better yet, a configure item to put
> > > it there with the default off.
> >
> > I think I am prety close, and I don't see a configure flag as any better
> > than a GUC option that is off by default.
>
> But how many people would even use it?  I can't see adding the bloat
> unnecessarily and risking it accidently being turned on.  Am I wrong
> and really alot of people actually want/need this?
>
> Vince.
> --
> ==========================================================================
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>          56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking
>       http://www.camping-usa.com      http://www.cloudninegifts.com
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Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:03:31 -0300 (ADT)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: failure notice (fwd)