Hello,

    pg_largeobject uses a loid identifier for the loid. What do we think it
would take to move that identifier to something like bigint? I don't really
know the underlying internals of pg_largeboject but it does seem that
if we made it have:

   1. A larger identifier
   2. An identifier that is not typed to the underlying system (oid)
   3. The ability to be indexed

   We may benefit. Am I on crack?

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:43:18 -0800
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Limiting factors of pg_largeobject
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes:
>     pg_largeobject uses a loid identifier for the loid. What do we think it
> would take to move that identifier to something like bigint?

Breaking all the client-visible LO APIs, for one thing ...

> I don't really
> know the underlying internals of pg_largeboject but it does seem that
> if we made it have:

>    1. A larger identifier
>    2. An identifier that is not typed to the underlying system (oid)
>    3. The ability to be indexed

>    We may benefit. Am I on crack?

I don't see what you're getting at with #2 and #3 at all.  OID is
perfectly indexable.

As for #1, it'd theoretically be useful, but I'm not sure about the
real-world usefulness.  If your large objects are even moderately
"large" (for whatever value of "large" applies this week), you're not
likely to be expecting to cram 4 billion of them into your database.

If we were doing LOs over for some reason it might be interesting to
consider this, but I think they're largely a legacy feature at this
point, and not worth that kind of effort.  It would be better to put the
development effort on creating serial access capability to toasted
fields, whereupon LOs would really be obsolete.

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:06:47 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Limiting factors of pg_largeobject 

>Breaking all the client-visible LO APIs, for one thing ...
>
>  
>
Erck.

>>   1. A larger identifier
>>   2. An identifier that is not typed to the underlying system (oid)
>>   3. The ability to be indexed
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>   We may benefit. Am I on crack?
>>    
>>
>
>I don't see what you're getting at with #2 and #3 at all.  OID is
>perfectly indexable.
>
>  
>
Well number 2 is that we have a limit on total number of OID's yes? 
Which means
we could theorectically run out of OID's because of pg_largeobject.

The ability to be indexed is obviously there but one problem we have is
that you can't create an index on a system table at least not a user
level index. Is there system level indexes that I am unaware of?

>As for #1, it'd theoretically be useful, but I'm not sure about the
>real-world usefulness.  If your large objects are even moderately
>"large" (for whatever value of "large" applies this week), you're not
>likely to be expecting to cram 4 billion of them into your database.
>
>If we were doing LOs over for some reason it might be interesting to
>consider this, but I think they're largely a legacy feature at this
>point, and not worth that kind of effort.  It would be better to put the
>development effort on creating serial access capability to toasted
>fields, whereupon LOs would really be obsolete.
>
>			regards, tom lane
>
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Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:19:40 -0800
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Limiting factors of pg_largeobject
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes:
> The ability to be indexed is obviously there but one problem we have is
> that you can't create an index on a system table at least not a user
> level index. Is there system level indexes that I am unaware of?

pg_largeobject already has an index (which is used by all the LO
operations).  Again, don't see what the width of the object ID column
has to do with it.

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:25:53 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Limiting factors of pg_largeobject 

>pg_largeobject already has an index (which is used by all the LO
>operations).  Again, don't see what the width of the object ID column
>has to do with it.
>  
>
I was more after the not having an OID than the width of the ID column.


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Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:37:49 -0800
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Limiting factors of pg_largeobject
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes:
> I was more after the not having an OID than the width of the ID column.

We're still at cross-purposes then.  pg_largeobject doesn't have OIDs
(in the sense of per-row OIDs).  What I thought you were complaining
about was the chosen datatype of the LO identifier column (loid), which
happens to be OID.

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:00:40 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Limiting factors of pg_largeobject 

>We're still at cross-purposes then.  pg_largeobject doesn't have OIDs
>(in the sense of per-row OIDs).  What I thought you were complaining
>about was the chosen datatype of the LO identifier column (loid), which
>happens to be OID.
>
>  
>
O.k. that was my main concern, which per your statement is unfounded ;).
If I don't have to worry about it, then that solves the issue :)

>			regards, tom lane
>  
>

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Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:04:42 -0800
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Limiting factors of pg_largeobject