
this isn't making any sense, unless the qmail installation that Vince has
running for relaying is hosed?  The queue on postgresql.org itself is near
empty, and looking at the full headers for recent messages, delays are
quite small except for those postings that have to be approved ...

The thing is, I know I saw a thread between you and Tom with a subject of
elog ...

I'm still looking ...

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> > > Then why are these emails getting through.  They start with SET NULL?
> >
> > Well, no they start with "Re:", that appeared on the list today was actually
> > sent about 2 weeks ago.
>
> This is getting bad.  Marc, we need to know what is happening.  Tom Lane
> says he gets email when something is stalled for approval but I have
> never gotten one.
>
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Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:12:11 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: SET NULL / SET NOT NULL
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> writes:
> ... looking at the full headers for recent messages, delays are
> quite small except for those postings that have to be approved ...

The real question is, what about notifications back to the posters
that postings have been delayed for approval?

I know that I get a notification back whenever I'm foolish enough
to use words like "c*nc*l" or "s*bscr*be" in PG-list postings.
But Bruce says he doesn't get any such notification, and Christopher
evidently isn't getting any, and we've seen plenty of past complaints
about postings being silently delayed.  I think something's pretty
flaky about the your-mail-has-been-held-for-approval notification.

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:47:41 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: SET NULL / SET NOT NULL 
> I know that I get a notification back whenever I'm foolish enough
> to use words like "c*nc*l" or "s*bscr*be" in PG-list postings.
> But Bruce says he doesn't get any such notification, and Christopher
> evidently isn't getting any, and we've seen plenty of past complaints
> about postings being silently delayed.  I think something's pretty
> flaky about the your-mail-has-been-held-for-approval notification.

Nope - whenever I accidentally post to -general, I get a little message
about 'queued for approval'.

Chris


Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:13:27 +0800
"Christopher Kings-Lynne" <chriskl@familyhealth.com.au>
Re: SET NULL / SET NOT NULL 
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

>
> this isn't making any sense, unless the qmail installation that Vince has
> running for relaying is hosed?  The queue on postgresql.org itself is near
> empty, and looking at the full headers for recent messages, delays are
> quite small except for those postings that have to be approved ...

Just checked my stuff, it's pretty much idle.  There are alot of
undeliverable in the queue but those are mainly failed dns lookup
and alot of the same addresses over and over.  The only messages in
the queue with "SET NULL" in them anywhere are the ones from the current
discussion.  Without seeing a FULL header on these messages there's no
way to know what's going on, but qmail will bounce them if they're still
undeliverable after a few days (4, I think).

Vince.
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Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:31:59 -0500 (EST)
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
Re: SET NULL / SET NOT NULL
"Christopher Kings-Lynne" <chriskl@familyhealth.com.au> writes:
>> ... we've seen plenty of past complaints
>> about postings being silently delayed.  I think something's pretty
>> flaky about the your-mail-has-been-held-for-approval notification.

> Nope - whenever I accidentally post to -general, I get a little message
> about 'queued for approval'.

So it works for you some of the time.  I still think there's something
flaky ...

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:53:29 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: SET NULL / SET NOT NULL 
On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 06:31:59AM -0500,
  Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> wrote:
> 
> Just checked my stuff, it's pretty much idle.  There are alot of
> undeliverable in the queue but those are mainly failed dns lookup
> and alot of the same addresses over and over.  The only messages in
> the queue with "SET NULL" in them anywhere are the ones from the current
> discussion.  Without seeing a FULL header on these messages there's no
> way to know what's going on, but qmail will bounce them if they're still
> undeliverable after a few days (4, I think).

A while back I had problems because of some bad routing tables. Your old
ISP couldn't send traffic to my box. Then after postgresql.org moved,
I could reach that server, but it appeared that the old dns cache was
still being used and my email was rejected because it couldn't get
a records for my domain name. During this period I could send messages
using a domain literal instead of my normal domain name. The machine
that sends out list mail was also able to use my domain name for the
whole time. (I subscribed to a couple of the lists before an IP change moved
me to the block with the routing issue.)

Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:58:32 -0600
Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
Re: SET NULL / SET NOT NULL