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> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e@gmx.net] 
> Sent: 03 December 2002 23:34
> To: Justin Clift
> Cc: Dave Page; Marc G. Fournier; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL-development
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global 
> Development Group Announces
> 
> 
> Justin Clift writes:
> 
> > Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to 
> direct people to 
> > the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more 
> > languages.
> 
> Why don't we just shut down the regular web site.  Clearly 
> it's not considered adequate anymore.

Strangely I was just thinking the same thing. If all the info is on
advocacy, then what exactly will be left on the main site? Idocs?

I was sort of under the impression that the site reshuffle was happening
in a top down manner anyway - start with the portal, then sort out the
less-immediately-visible lower bits.

I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
thing I need.

Regards, Dave.

Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:27:26 -0000
"Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces
Dave Page wrote:
<snip>
> Strangely I was just thinking the same thing. If all the info is on
> advocacy, then what exactly will be left on the main site? Idocs?

Good point, and worth thinking about then.

> I was sort of under the impression that the site reshuffle was happening
> in a top down manner anyway - start with the portal, then sort out the
> less-immediately-visible lower bits.
> 
> I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
> been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
> am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
> thing I need.

Ok then, what do you suggest?

:-)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


> Regards, Dave.


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Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:58:37 +1100
Justin Clift <justin@postgresql.org>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:

> I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
> been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
> am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
> thing I need.

And I'll pre-empt *that* with "the volume of email isn't changing, only
the ability to filter that email" ... the purpose of the -advocacy list is
to focus on how to better market the software ... not through stuff like
advertising, but how do we provide information to debunk alot of the
out-dated myths that still float around ...




Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:41:08 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:

> Dave Page wrote:
> <snip>
> > Strangely I was just thinking the same thing. If all the info is on
> > advocacy, then what exactly will be left on the main site? Idocs?
>
> Good point, and worth thinking about then.

I think we're all in pseudo-agreement here ... we need clearer lines drawn
... IMHO, the *main* thing that is on www.postgresql.org is the docs ...
all the docs, not just idocs ... IMHO, techdocs is the tutorials and
guides that are developed/provided independantly of the core documentation
...

www.postgresql.org, once its ready, is going to point to the new portal,
after which what is now www.postgresql.org is going to need to tighten
itself up to reduce redundancy ... I'd personally like to see the iDocs
stuff somehow used more heavily then I think it is now ... one of the neat
things about it is the ability, like with the PHP site, to add
comments/examples.

I think the only limitation that I've heard of anyone talking about as
concerns idocs is the search facility is a bit weak, which is actually one
of the reasons that I don't use it as often as I could ...

      xfunc-c.html
      release-6-1.html
      release-6-2.html
      tutorial-table.html
      datatype.html
      release-6-3.html
      release-6-1-1.html
      plpgsql-trigger.html
      setindex.html
      release-6-5-2.html
      regress-evaluation.html
      plpgsql-declarations.html
      plpgsql-expressions.html
      release-0-03.html
      release-6-5.html
      release-7-0-1.html
      release-7-0.html
      release-7-1.html
      release-7-2.html
      routine-vacuuming.html
      rules-insert.html
      runtime-config.html
      sql-comment.html
      functions-datetime.html
      functions-formatting.html
      datatype-datetime.html
      sql-createtable.html
      sql-expressions.html
      sql-keywords-appendix.html
      sql-set.html
      triggers.html

would it be possible to replace the .html file with the page Title? That
way, for instance, I can choose to go to 'Date/Time Types' instead of
going datatype-datetimes.html?


Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:54:39 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
The Web Sites (Was: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Gl...) 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
>
> > I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
> > been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
> > am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
> > thing I need.
>
> And I'll pre-empt *that* with "the volume of email isn't changing, only
> the ability to filter that email" ... the purpose of the -advocacy list is
> to focus on how to better market the software ... not through stuff like
> advertising, but how do we provide information to debunk alot of the
> out-dated myths that still float around ...

But we *are* filtering.  I'm filtering out all mail from -advocacy.
Besides, I already got off of lists that I wanted to be on due to the
traffic.  Now you want me to join one that I don't want to be on so I
can get more traffic?  I've seen how well filters work.  I've asked you
questions that I never did get an answer to.  How is that any better than
not getting the mail to begin with?

Vince.
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Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:05:50 -0500 (EST)
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces
On 4 Dec 2002 at 9:54, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> would it be possible to replace the .html file with the page Title?
> That way, for instance, I can choose to go to 'Date/Time Types'
> instead of going datatype-datetimes.html?

That is something I've long wished for....  If needed, I'll do the 
work to get a search engine that does this.
-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/


Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:33:08 -0500
"Dan Langille" <dan@langille.org>
Re: The Web Sites (Was: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Gl...) 
"Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk> writes:
> I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
> been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
> am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
> thing I need.

I'm not subscribed to -advocacy either.  I'm a little disturbed to hear
that major decisions seem to be getting taken there without any mention
in -hackers.

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:32:17 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tom Lane wrote:

> "Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk> writes:
> > I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
> > been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
> > am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
> > thing I need.
>
> I'm not subscribed to -advocacy either.  I'm a little disturbed to hear
> that major decisions seem to be getting taken there without any mention
> in -hackers.

Everything that is discussed on -advocacy is generally that which is
dealing with the advocacy web site ... case studies and such ... there are
no "major decisions" being made over there ... in my case, it was a small
pool of ppl interested in advocacy/marketing that I could draw on to write
a stronger, less techie oriented, press release around ...

I have a list of 350+ contacts that I used to get it out through, in
various fields (university, publishing, etc) and needed something a little
bit more at that level then I've been able to create in the past ...

Most, if not all, of the stuff going through -advocacy is, right now,
revolving around keeping track of the various press links that ppl find
on the 'Net, which are to be added to the various sites that are currently
being developed ... as well as a point of contact for liason'ng with
companies willing/able to write and publish case studies ...




Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:31:13 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces


Also in addition to the advocacy & main page conflicts, there
are conflicts with the techdocs pages that I've raised in the
past.  I am hoping the new portal will really help put things
in their place because these scattered sites are pretty
confusing to people looking for definitive information
and finding a mixed bag.

I am also going to ask if we could put a link from postgresql.org
over to General Bits (the pgsql-general column) 
after I had a few issues out and the kinks worked out
and everyone was not so swamped with the release and
the new portal.  This is also the kind of thing that goes with 
what seems to be the meat of the postgresql.org web pages.

elein

On Wednesday 04 December 2002 05:54, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
> > Dave Page wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Strangely I was just thinking the same thing. If all the info is on
> > > advocacy, then what exactly will be left on the main site? Idocs?
> >
> > Good point, and worth thinking about then.
>
> I think we're all in pseudo-agreement here ... we need clearer lines drawn
> ... IMHO, the *main* thing that is on www.postgresql.org is the docs ...
> all the docs, not just idocs ... IMHO, techdocs is the tutorials and
> guides that are developed/provided independantly of the core documentation
> ...
>
> www.postgresql.org, once its ready, is going to point to the new portal,
> after which what is now www.postgresql.org is going to need to tighten
> itself up to reduce redundancy ... I'd personally like to see the iDocs
> stuff somehow used more heavily then I think it is now ... one of the neat
> things about it is the ability, like with the PHP site, to add
> comments/examples.
>
> I think the only limitation that I've heard of anyone talking about as
> concerns idocs is the search facility is a bit weak, which is actually one
> of the reasons that I don't use it as often as I could ...
>
>       xfunc-c.html
>       release-6-1.html
>       release-6-2.html
>       tutorial-table.html
>       datatype.html
>       release-6-3.html
>       release-6-1-1.html
>       plpgsql-trigger.html
>       setindex.html
>       release-6-5-2.html
>       regress-evaluation.html
>       plpgsql-declarations.html
>       plpgsql-expressions.html
>       release-0-03.html
>       release-6-5.html
>       release-7-0-1.html
>       release-7-0.html
>       release-7-1.html
>       release-7-2.html
>       routine-vacuuming.html
>       rules-insert.html
>       runtime-config.html
>       sql-comment.html
>       functions-datetime.html
>       functions-formatting.html
>       datatype-datetime.html
>       sql-createtable.html
>       sql-expressions.html
>       sql-keywords-appendix.html
>       sql-set.html
>       triggers.html
>
> would it be possible to replace the .html file with the page Title? That
> way, for instance, I can choose to go to 'Date/Time Types' instead of
> going datatype-datetimes.html?
>
>
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Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:39:33 -0800
elein <elein@sbcglobal.net>
Re: The Web Sites (Was: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Gl...)