Dear Hackers,

First: I think I have sent out a msg with no body. I'm sorry, I have to communicate thru a weird Win98 machine, it gets things screwed up sometimes.

I would like to take up the translation of pgsql msg strings into slovak (sk_SK). It is fairly similar to czech (cz_CZ), so it should go quite fast. Please stand up, if you have any objections.

The other thing I wanted to ask: 

I made the translation of parts of the 7.2 manual in slovak (tutorial, users manual, admin's manual almost ready) that time I thought I would publish it, but Bruce Momjian's book appeared in the bookstores a few weeks ago. I decided I would go on with the translation and use the sgml files (my translation was formatted as a LyX document) and a message translating program. I wanted to use KBabel, but that understands .po(t) files only. To have a .pot file I could use xml2po, but I need xml. I can convert sgml to xml myself, but it would be easier to have it done centrally - perhaps other languages would want their docs in their native language too. Once it is ready, the changes could be easily incorporated before the respective releases.

I remember having seen an email by Karel Zak on this topic, but I do not really remember the consequences, so someone could kindly enlighten me. 

Cheers

Zoltan







Dear Hackers,
 
First: I think I have sent out a msg with no body. I'm sorry, 
I have to communicate thru a weird Win98 machine, it gets things screwed up 
sometimes.
 
I would like to take up the translation of pgsql msg strings 
into slovak (sk_SK). It is fairly similar to czech (cz_CZ), so it should go 
quite fast. Please stand up, if you have any objections.
 
The other thing I wanted to ask: 
 
I made the translation of parts of the 7.2 manual in slovak 
(tutorial, users manual, admin's manual almost ready) that time I thought I 
would publish it, but Bruce Momjian's book appeared in the bookstores a few 
weeks ago. I decided I would go on with the translation and use the sgml files 
(my translation was formatted as a LyX document) and a message translating 
program. I wanted to use KBabel, but that understands .po(t) files only. To have 
a .pot file I could use xml2po, but I need xml. I can convert sgml to xml 
myself, but it would be easier to have it done centrally - perhaps other 
languages would want their docs in their native language too. Once it is ready, 
the changes could be easily incorporated before the respective 
releases.
 
I remember having seen an email by Karel Zak on this topic, 
but I do not really remember the consequences, so someone could kindly enlighten 
me. 
 
Cheers
 
Zoltan
Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:29:14 +0100
"BARTKO, Zoltan" <bartko.zoltan@pobox.sk>
msg translation into sk_SK, Docs: SGML -> XML
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:29:14AM +0100, BARTKO, Zoltan wrote:
> I would  like to  take up  the translation of  pgsql msg  strings into
> slovak (sk_SK). It is fairly similar to czech (cz_CZ), so it should go
> quite fast. Please stand up, if you have any objections.

 If you don't want to waste time do  it if the release 7.5 will at least
 in beta,  preferably in  messages freeze state  and nobody  will modify
 PostgreSQL messages.

> I made the translation of parts of the 7.2 manual in slovak (tutorial,
> users manual, admin's manual almost ready) that time I thought I would
> publish it, but Bruce Momjian's book  appeared in the bookstores a few
> weeks ago. I  decided I would go  on with the translation  and use the
> sgml  files (my  translation  was  formatted as  a  LyX document)  and
> a  message  translating program. I  wanted  to  use KBabel,  but  that
> understands .po(t) files only. To have a .pot file I could use xml2po,
> but I  need xml. I  can convert sgml  to xml myself,  but it  would be
> easier to have it done centrally  - perhaps other languages would want
> their docs in their native language too. Once it is ready, the changes
> could be easily incorporated before the respective releases.

 Peter E. works on XML docbook version of docs. I don't know if he wants
 to move  directly to XML or  uses on the  fly conversion to XML  by osx
 (sgml2xml). This conversion you try use  by "make testxml" stuff in the
 doc/src/sgml/Makefile. I  tested it  and it  works --  but for  example
 conversion  from XML  to PDF  by "fop"  failed, but  it's might  be fop
 problem.
 
 Peter, what's your planns?

    Karel

-- 
 Karel Zak  <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz>
 http://home.zf.jcu.cz/~zakkr/

Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:01:33 +0100
Karel Zak <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz>
Re: msg translation into sk_SK, Docs: SGML -> XML
Karel Zak wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:29:14AM +0100, BARTKO, Zoltan wrote:
> > I would  like to  take up  the translation of  pgsql msg  strings
> > into slovak (sk_SK). It is fairly similar to czech (cz_CZ), so it
> > should go quite fast. Please stand up, if you have any objections.
>
>  If you don't want to waste time do  it if the release 7.5 will at
> least in beta,  preferably in  messages freeze state  and nobody 
> will modify PostgreSQL messages.

Actually, we're still looking for people to finish (or start) their 7.4 
translations, because that is what most people will be using for the 
longest time.  When we near 7.5, we'll probably just copy over most of 
the 7.4 translations and start from there.

>  Peter E. works on XML docbook version of docs. I don't know if he
> wants to move  directly to XML or  uses on the  fly conversion to XML
>  by osx (sgml2xml). This conversion you try use  by "make testxml"
> stuff in the doc/src/sgml/Makefile. I  tested it  and it  works -- 
> but for  example conversion  from XML  to PDF  by "fop"  failed, but 
> it's might  be fop problem.

The general consensus is that FOP is simply not there yet.

>  Peter, what's your planns?

Well, when people feel good about it, we can switch the stored format to 
XML.  I'm not in a hurry, though, because what is there right now is 
almost equivalent.  I've also tried out the po2xml thingy and it seems 
to work, but translating about 10000 strings seems to be a daunting 
task.


Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:02:12 +0100
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: msg translation into sk_SK, Docs: SGML -> XML
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> >  Peter E. works on XML docbook version of docs. I don't know if he
> > wants to move  directly to XML or  uses on the  fly conversion to XML
> >  by osx (sgml2xml). This conversion you try use  by "make testxml"
> > stuff in the doc/src/sgml/Makefile. I  tested it  and it  works -- 
> > but for  example conversion  from XML  to PDF  by "fop"  failed, but 
> > it's might  be fop problem.
> 
> The general consensus is that FOP is simply not there yet.

 Do you how idea how convert XML to "fo" or directly to "pdf"?

> >  Peter, what's your planns?
> 
> Well, when people feel good about it, we can switch the stored format to 
> XML.  I'm not in a hurry, though, because what is there right now is 

 I feel good  about it. The important thing is support  in Makefiles XML
 conversion to  other formats  like HTML, PDF  and man. It's  strange if
 after release almost nobody has idea how create PDF docs.

> almost equivalent.  I've also tried out the po2xml thingy and it seems 
> to work, but translating about 10000 strings seems to be a daunting 
> task.

 Be optimistic! ;-)

    Karel

-- 
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 http://home.zf.jcu.cz/~zakkr/


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Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:42:04 +0100
Karel Zak <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz>
Re: msg translation into sk_SK, Docs: SGML -> XML
Having googled around I found this about Docbook to PDF conversion:

http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2000/article152.shtml

no sign of fop.

I hope it helps and that I am not mistaken when I claim the format is
docbook.

Cheers

Zoltan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karel Zak" <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz>
To: "Peter Eisentraut" <peter_e@gmx.net>
Cc: "BARTKO, Zoltan" <bartko.zoltan@pobox.sk>;
<pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] msg translation into sk_SK, Docs: SGML -> XML


> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> > >  Peter E. works on XML docbook version of docs. I don't know if he
> > > wants to move  directly to XML or  uses on the  fly conversion to XML
> > >  by osx (sgml2xml). This conversion you try use  by "make testxml"
> > > stuff in the doc/src/sgml/Makefile. I  tested it  and it  works --
> > > but for  example conversion  from XML  to PDF  by "fop"  failed, but
> > > it's might  be fop problem.
> >
> > The general consensus is that FOP is simply not there yet.
>
>  Do you how idea how convert XML to "fo" or directly to "pdf"?
>
> > >  Peter, what's your planns?
> >
> > Well, when people feel good about it, we can switch the stored format to
> > XML.  I'm not in a hurry, though, because what is there right now is
>
>  I feel good  about it. The important thing is support  in Makefiles XML
>  conversion to  other formats  like HTML, PDF  and man. It's  strange if
>  after release almost nobody has idea how create PDF docs.
>
> > almost equivalent.  I've also tried out the po2xml thingy and it seems
> > to work, but translating about 10000 strings seems to be a daunting
> > task.
>
>  Be optimistic! ;-)
>
>     Karel
>
> --
>  Karel Zak  <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz>
>  http://home.zf.jcu.cz/~zakkr/
>
>
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Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:33:09 +0100
"BARTKO, Zoltan" <bartko.zoltan@pobox.sk>
Re: msg translation into sk_SK, Docs: SGML -> XML
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 06:33:09PM +0100, BARTKO, Zoltan wrote:
> Having googled around I found this about Docbook to PDF conversion:
> 
> http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2000/article152.shtml
> 
> no sign of fop.
> 
> I hope it helps and that I am not mistaken when I claim the format is
> docbook.

 Yes,  it's simular  "jade"  way that  we use  for  SGML now. The  "fop"
 advantage is direct conversion without huge TeX stuff.

    Karel

-- 
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 http://home.zf.jcu.cz/~zakkr/


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Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:57:49 +0100
Karel Zak <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz>
Re: msg translation into sk_SK, Docs: SGML -> XML