I think most of us here are hot on quality. It's one of the reasons why I
don't release code before I'm at least happy with what I've got is clean and
easily maintainable.

Here (MBC) I see several other analysts writing quick hacks that then become
mission critical. These hacks then become illegible so when they break, I
end up pulling my hair out because I can't read the code.

Yet, they then moan at me because I take longer. However, I test everything
first and I don't reinvent the wheel - if a routine or class is going to be
useful, I make sure it's not dependent on too much, and put it in a library.

I hate sloppy coding, but it's a sign of the times. Machines are more
powerful, and storage is so cheap it's the easy way out not to optimise
things.

For example: How large is the average chess program now? Does anyone
remember the Sinclair ZX81 and chess that ran in 1K of memory? Or how about
a programming language on the Amiga whos compiler was only 1020 bytes long
(Fast).

Peter

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 1:20 AM
To: PostgreSQL-development
Subject: [HACKERS] Software Quality


The following URL is a short article about software quality.  He
criticizes the sloppy coding practices of some open-source software.  I
agree with most of his points.

My personal feeling is that if sloppy coding becomes the norm, I will be
out of a job.  I place a high value on quality code, and I know most
PostgreSQL do as well.

	http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/MontyManley/MontyManley8.html

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Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:37:13 +0100
Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>
RE: Software Quality
Peter Mount wrote:
> 
> I think most of us here are hot on quality. It's one of the reasons why I
> don't release code before I'm at least happy with what I've got is clean and
> easily maintainable.
> 
> Here (MBC) I see several other analysts writing quick hacks that then become
> mission critical. These hacks then become illegible so when they break, I
> end up pulling my hair out because I can't read the code.
> 
> Yet, they then moan at me because I take longer. However, I test everything
> first and I don't reinvent the wheel - if a routine or class is going to be
> useful, I make sure it's not dependent on too much, and put it in a library.
> 
> I hate sloppy coding, but it's a sign of the times. Machines are more
> powerful, and storage is so cheap it's the easy way out not to optimise
> things.
> 
> For example: How large is the average chess program now? Does anyone
> remember the Sinclair ZX81 and chess that ran in 1K of memory? Or how about
> a programming language on the Amiga whos compiler was only 1020 bytes long
> (Fast).

I used to run the 68000 Macro Assembler for my Amiga 1000 of off
floppy disk. There's nothing like a pre-emptively multi-tasking
operating system with a graphical user interface that runs nicely
in 256K of RAM ;-)

Mike Mascari

Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:03:42 -0400
Mike Mascari <mascarm@mascari.com>
Re: Software Quality
Mike Mascari wrote:
> I used to run the 68000 Macro Assembler for my Amiga 1000 of off
> floppy disk. There's nothing like a pre-emptively multi-tasking
> operating system with a graphical user interface that runs nicely
> in 256K of RAM ;-)

    But there's a complete UNIX V7 available to run in 640K on XT
    hardware.  My first 'make world' was on a 4.77MHz 8088  (ahem
    NEC-V20)  with  768K  and  10MB  harddisk.   With some better
    hardware (386 and 2MB at minimum - works with less but is  no
    fun)  you  can  also run it with a TCP/IP stack and telnet or
    ftp to it like me. My one is  a  total  oversized  486DX4-100
    with 16M and 1G disk.


Jan

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Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:34:10 +0200 (MEST)
JanWieck@t-online.de (Jan Wieck)
Re: Software Quality