Dear PostgreSQL people,

	Sorry for jumping into this conversation in the middle.
	Autocommit is very important, as appservers may turn it on or off at
will in order to support EJB transactions (being able to set them up, roll
them back, commit them, etc. by using the JDBC API). If it is broken, then
all EJB apps using PostgreSQL may be broken also. ...This frightens me a
little. Could somebody please explain?

Sincerely,

	Daryl.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Lane [mailto:tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us]
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:54 PM
> To: Bruce Momjian
> Cc: Barry Lind; pgsql-jdbc@postgresql.org; 
> pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [JDBC] [HACKERS] problem with new autocommit config
> parameter and jdbc 
> 
> 
> Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> > Barry Lind wrote:
> >> How should client interfaces handle this new autocommit 
> feature?  Is it
> >> best to just issue a set at the beginning of the 
> connection to ensure
> >> that it is always on?
> 
> > Yes, I thought that was the best fix for apps that can't deal with
> > autocommit being off.
> 
> If autocommit=off really seriously breaks JDBC then I don't think a
> simple SET command at the start of a session is going to do that much
> to improve robustness.  What if the user issues another SET to turn it
> on?
> 
> I'd suggest just documenting that it is broken and you can't use it,
> until such time as you can get it fixed.  Band-aids that only 
> partially
> cover the problem don't seem worth the effort to me.
> 
> In general I think that autocommit=off is probably going to be very
> poorly supported in the 7.3 release.  We can document it as being
> "work in progress, use at your own risk".
> 
> 			regards, tom lane
> 
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Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:01:23 -0400 
Daryl Beattie <dbeattie@insystems.com>
Re: [JDBC] problem with new autocommit config parameter
Daryl,

The problem is an incompatiblity between a new server autocommit feature 
and the existing jdbc autocommit feature.  The problem manifests itself 
when you turn autocommit off on the server (which is new functionality 
in 7.3).  If you leave autocommit turned on on the server (which is the 
way the server has always worked until 7.3) the jdbc driver correctly 
handles issuing the correct begin/commit/rollback commands to support 
autocommit functionality in the jdbc driver.

Autocommit will work with jdbc in 7.3 (and it does now as long as you 
leave autocommit set on in the postgresql.conf file).  We are just need 
to decide what to do in this one corner case.

thanks,
--Barry


Daryl Beattie wrote:
> Dear PostgreSQL people,
> 
> 	Sorry for jumping into this conversation in the middle.
> 	Autocommit is very important, as appservers may turn it on or off at
> will in order to support EJB transactions (being able to set them up, roll
> them back, commit them, etc. by using the JDBC API). If it is broken, then
> all EJB apps using PostgreSQL may be broken also. ...This frightens me a
> little. Could somebody please explain?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 	Daryl.
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tom Lane [mailto:tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us]
>>Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:54 PM
>>To: Bruce Momjian
>>Cc: Barry Lind; pgsql-jdbc@postgresql.org; 
>>pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
>>Subject: Re: [JDBC] [HACKERS] problem with new autocommit config
>>parameter and jdbc 
>>
>>
>>Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
>>
>>>Barry Lind wrote:
>>>
>>>>How should client interfaces handle this new autocommit 
>>>
>>feature?  Is it
>>
>>>>best to just issue a set at the beginning of the 
>>>
>>connection to ensure
>>
>>>>that it is always on?
>>>
>>>Yes, I thought that was the best fix for apps that can't deal with
>>>autocommit being off.
>>
>>If autocommit=off really seriously breaks JDBC then I don't think a
>>simple SET command at the start of a session is going to do that much
>>to improve robustness.  What if the user issues another SET to turn it
>>on?
>>
>>I'd suggest just documenting that it is broken and you can't use it,
>>until such time as you can get it fixed.  Band-aids that only 
>>partially
>>cover the problem don't seem worth the effort to me.
>>
>>In general I think that autocommit=off is probably going to be very
>>poorly supported in the 7.3 release.  We can document it as being
>>"work in progress, use at your own risk".
>>
>>			regards, tom lane
>>
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> 


Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:29:02 -0700
Barry Lind <barry@xythos.com>
Re: [JDBC] problem with new autocommit config parameter