> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Wieck [mailto:JanWieck@Yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:30 PM
> To: Dann Corbit
> Cc: scott.marlowe; Bruce Momjian; Tom Lane; Jason Earl; 
> PostgreSQL-development
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Two weeks to feature freeze
[snip]
> I personally think you don't actually ever did any software testing 
> yourself. You are not really talking from experience, are you? So 
> please, show me what you have now, or get one more plus on my 
> minus-list.

I have already posted enough information to show my qualitications.

Whether I am qualified or not is irrelevant to whether the argument has
merit or not.

I have raised what I consider to be an important issue.

Astute members of the list have noticed that I have not volunteered to
perform the work.  I may or may not produce some efforts towards testing
PostgreSQL.  Whether I decide to help or not is irrelevant towards the
concept of what needs to be done.

Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:34:47 -0700
"Dann Corbit" <DCorbit@connx.com>
Re: Two weeks to feature freeze
Dann,

> Astute members of the list have noticed that I have not volunteered to
> perform the work.  I may or may not produce some efforts towards testing
> PostgreSQL.  Whether I decide to help or not is irrelevant towards the
> concept of what needs to be done.

It is not irrelevant.  This is an Open Source project, not some Dot-Com where 
you can float good ideas until you go bankrupt.   If there's no possibility 
of us getting a major 3rd-party certified battery of QA tests donated, why 
bother putting it on the TODO list?

Would it be nice if we had more tests?  Yes.  In fact, one of the items on my 
personal todo list is to devise a more versatile performance test than 
pgbench for testing postgresql parameters, builds, and installations.  But 
it's not getting done by me carping at people on the Hackers list.  It'll get 
done when I spend a long weekend writing Perl.

Put up or shut up time, Dann.

-- 
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:50:21 -0700
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Two weeks to feature freeze
Dann Corbit wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jan Wieck [mailto:JanWieck@Yahoo.com] 
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:30 PM
>> To: Dann Corbit
>> Cc: scott.marlowe; Bruce Momjian; Tom Lane; Jason Earl; 
>> PostgreSQL-development
>> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Two weeks to feature freeze
> [snip]
>> I personally think you don't actually ever did any software testing 
>> yourself. You are not really talking from experience, are you? So 
>> please, show me what you have now, or get one more plus on my 
>> minus-list.
> 
> I have already posted enough information to show my qualitications.
> 
> Whether I am qualified or not is irrelevant to whether the argument has
> merit or not.
> 
> I have raised what I consider to be an important issue.
> 
> Astute members of the list have noticed that I have not volunteered to
> perform the work.  I may or may not produce some efforts towards testing
> PostgreSQL.  Whether I decide to help or not is irrelevant towards the
> concept of what needs to be done.

Right! Whatever you decide is totally irrelevant towards the concept of 
what needs to be done. But that wasn't the question and you wheren't in 
the position or asked for making any decisions.

And after this mail I doubt more than before that the input you can 
provide will lead to any meaningful improvement of PostgreSQL. Then 
again, you still have the chance to surprise me. I know by now that 
you're not a programmer and don't know SQL very well. But do you at 
least have some concept of your own, other than URL's pointing to 
someone elses work?


Jan

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Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:58:44 -0400
Jan Wieck <JanWieck@Yahoo.com>
Re: Two weeks to feature freeze
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Dann Corbit wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jan Wieck [mailto:JanWieck@Yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:30 PM
> > To: Dann Corbit
> > Cc: scott.marlowe; Bruce Momjian; Tom Lane; Jason Earl;
> > PostgreSQL-development
> > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Two weeks to feature freeze
> [snip]
> > I personally think you don't actually ever did any software testing
> > yourself. You are not really talking from experience, are you? So
> > please, show me what you have now, or get one more plus on my
> > minus-list.
>
> I have already posted enough information to show my qualitications.
>
> Whether I am qualified or not is irrelevant to whether the argument has
> merit or not.
>
> I have raised what I consider to be an important issue.

You have raised a point that you are not prepared to do anything about
though ... nobody disagrees with you about adding more testing, but if you
aren't willing to do the work, why should anyone else be?  Someone has to
spearhead it ... you seem to be passionate about seeing it happen, but
don't care enough to do anything about it ...

Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:26:24 -0300 (ADT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@postgresql.org>
Re: Two weeks to feature freeze