Hello all,

I have seen this presentation for new Novell Netware 6.5 version
released about two weeks or so.

http://www.novell.com/products/netware/netware65overview_popup.html

If you check 'Open Source' point, PostgreSQL text and PostgreSQL logo
are showed on the run.

I would be very happy if we could run PostgreSQL on Novell Netware
environment instead of Oracle or MySQL (default database on this
novell OS version) in a near future.

Somebody know if the changes to run  PostgreSQL on Win32 platform will
be provide a easiest port for Novell Netware servers ?

Thanks a lot.


Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:13:34 +0200
Terry Yapt <pgsql@technovell.com>
PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
Terry Yapt wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I have seen this presentation for new Novell Netware 6.5 version
>released about two weeks or so.
>
>http://www.novell.com/products/netware/netware65overview_popup.html
>
>If you check 'Open Source' point, PostgreSQL text and PostgreSQL logo
>are showed on the run.
>
>I would be very happy if we could run PostgreSQL on Novell Netware
>environment instead of Oracle or MySQL (default database on this
>novell OS version) in a near future.
>
>Somebody know if the changes to run  PostgreSQL on Win32 platform will
>be provide a easiest port for Novell Netware servers ?
>
It's been quite a while ago that I did NetWare programming (3.11 NLM, 
communication protocol for a dbms), and that I had some contact with 
Netware (4.1), but if Novell didn't change the architecture completely 
(I doubt that) the native win32 port won't be of any help for 
implementing PostgreSQL on NetWare. It's very different from Windows and 
*ix, so it would be a complete third implementation of basic service 
interfacing.

Regards,
Andreas


Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:52:58 +0200
Andreas Pflug <pgadmin@pse-consulting.de>
Re: PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 10:52:58PM +0200, Andreas Pflug wrote:
> Terry Yapt wrote:
> 
> >I have seen this presentation for new Novell Netware 6.5 version
> >released about two weeks or so.
> >
> >http://www.novell.com/products/netware/netware65overview_popup.html
> >
> >If you check 'Open Source' point, PostgreSQL text and PostgreSQL logo
> >are showed on the run.

> It's been quite a while ago that I did NetWare programming (3.11 NLM, 
> communication protocol for a dbms), and that I had some contact with 
> Netware (4.1), but if Novell didn't change the architecture completely 
> (I doubt that) the native win32 port won't be of any help for 
> implementing PostgreSQL on NetWare. It's very different from Windows and 
> *ix, so it would be a complete third implementation of basic service 
> interfacing.

Some time ago there was a guy from Novell posting on hackers about the
porting of PostgreSQL to Netware.  He sounded like most of the job was
already done, but he wanted to have some patches accepted to be able to
build with a toolchain different from GNU make and friends (because it
was one or two orders of magnitude faster).  He left some time later
because of the null support he received for that, it seems.

Some time after that, Novell announced that MySQL would be their default
database system ...

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Y sonrei. Y fui feliz.
Y fue peor.

Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:25:17 -0400
Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@dcc.uchile.cl>
Re: PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@dcc.uchile.cl> writes:
> Some time ago there was a guy from Novell posting on hackers about the
> porting of PostgreSQL to Netware.  He sounded like most of the job was
> already done, but he wanted to have some patches accepted to be able to
> build with a toolchain different from GNU make and friends (because it
> was one or two orders of magnitude faster).  He left some time later
> because of the null support he received for that, it seems.

What is this, a troll?  We gave that project quite a lot of support.
My recollection is that we lost interest somewhere around here:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-patches/2002-08/msg00278.php
when it became clear that Netware couldn't or wouldn't try to arrange
their code to keep the amount of platform-specific stuff reasonable.
The patch as they were proposing it would have been completely
unmaintainable --- certainly so for the community, probably for them
too.

			regards, tom lane

Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:54:34 -0400
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5. 
Tom Lane wrote:
> Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@dcc.uchile.cl> writes:
> > Some time ago there was a guy from Novell posting on hackers about the
> > porting of PostgreSQL to Netware.  He sounded like most of the job was
> > already done, but he wanted to have some patches accepted to be able to
> > build with a toolchain different from GNU make and friends (because it
> > was one or two orders of magnitude faster).  He left some time later
> > because of the null support he received for that, it seems.
> 
> What is this, a troll?  We gave that project quite a lot of support.
> My recollection is that we lost interest somewhere around here:
> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-patches/2002-08/msg00278.php
> when it became clear that Netware couldn't or wouldn't try to arrange
> their code to keep the amount of platform-specific stuff reasonable.
> The patch as they were proposing it would have been completely
> unmaintainable --- certainly so for the community, probably for them
> too.

Last I remember they were going to port gmake to Novell and use that for
the port,but we never heard back from them.

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Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:07:33 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.
Hi,

> It's been quite a while ago that I did NetWare programming (3.11 NLM,
> communication protocol for a dbms), and that I had some contact with
> Netware (4.1), but if Novell didn't change the architecture completely
> (I doubt that) the native win32 port won't be of any help for

They've done the job. Forget all about 3.x / 4.x and even 5.x. No more CLib,
you have now LibC which is a POSIX like API.

AFAIK, they're finishing some usefull APIs, which'll make the port much more
"easy". The "only difference" will be the "threaded model" instead of
process based...

NW6.x already have Apache, bash, gcc, mysql, openssh, vnc, etc... thanks to
this "new architecture".

You can get the 7.2.4 on http://forge.novell.com

Eduardo



Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:44:02 -0300
"Eduardo D Piovesam" <eduardo@autofax.com.br>
Re: PostgreSQL on Novell Netware 6.5.