Peter, Robert, Jason, Vince, Justin, et al.:

First off, I'd like to ask everyone to CUT IT OUT WITH THE $^*&^@** FLAMING, 
ALREADY!   People are *attacking* each other instead of disagreeing.   
Several posters seem to be taking to opportunity to say everything in the 
most insulting way possible, even when the actual source of disagreement is 
small.   Perhaps we should declare a moritorium on this topic for 48 hours to 
let everyone calm down?

In case we don't, my response:

PETER, it's obvious that the press release team would have benefitted from 
your copy-editing of the press release.    You have several good points about 
places where we did not do the best possible job in the difficult task of 
translating technical notes into a form the general press would understand.  
I wrote a lot of the paragraphs you take issue with, and I don't deny that 
they could stand improvement.

Would you be willing to act as a reviewer on future press releases?  That way, 
we can get the benefit of your insight in a manner that will benefit the 
press release process.

-- 
-Josh Berkus
 Aglio Database Solutions
 San Francisco


Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:16:53 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> First off, I'd like to ask everyone to CUT IT OUT WITH THE $^*&^@** FLAMING, 
> ALREADY!   People are *attacking* each other instead of disagreeing.

Amen.  This was first time 'round for the advocacy group, and it's not
surprising that there are some things they did wrong, or at least could
have done better.  Can't we discuss the matter like a group of
reasonably friendly people?  I think we all have the same end goals
in mind, so I don't see the need for unpleasantness.

			regards, tom lane

Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:04:03 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group 
Tom Lane wrote:
> Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> > First off, I'd like to ask everyone to CUT IT OUT WITH THE $^*&^@** FLAMING, 
> > ALREADY!   People are *attacking* each other instead of disagreeing.
> 
> Amen.  This was first time 'round for the advocacy group, and it's not
> surprising that there are some things they did wrong, or at least could
> have done better.  Can't we discuss the matter like a group of
> reasonably friendly people?  I think we all have the same end goals
> in mind, so I don't see the need for unpleasantness.

Agreed.  Here's a story:

Myself and a few people wanted live animals for a manger scene on our
church lawn for Christmas. Many thought it was a bad idea, but we went
ahead anyway.  It was a huge success, but then people complained we
didn't have enough people on the lawn to greet the hundreds of visitors.

Moral of the story:  if you take risks, expect folks to complain.  And,
even if you succeed, others will complain you didn't anticipate the
success.

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Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:47:06 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group