> -----Original Message-----
> From: ow [mailto:oneway_111@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:39 AM
> To: Dann Corbit; Christopher Kings-Lynne; Greg Stark
> Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
> Subject: RE: [HACKERS] [pgsql-advocacy] Not 7.5, but 8.0 ?
> 
> 
> --- Dann Corbit <DCorbit@connx.com> wrote:
> > Which feature is requested more than that?
> 
> Not sure how often features are requested and by whom. 
> However, if you take a look at the TODO list, you'll find 
> plenty of stuff more important than win32 port.
> 
> > Of the following (which includes every significant DBMS in terms of 
> > market share), which did not consider a native Windows port to be
> > important:
> > SQL*Sever (all right, we can discount this one...)
> > DB/2
> > Oracle
> > MySQL
> > Sybase
> > Informix
> 
> Have *never* seen ppl running Oracle or Sybase on Windows. 
> Not sure about DB/2 or Informix, never worked with them, but 
> I'd suspect the picture is the same. They may claim that they 
> have win port but it's more of a marketing gimmick than a 
> useful feature that affects real, not hypothetical, users.

I have all of the above database systems installed on the Windows 2000
machine I am typing this message from.
DB/2 7.1
Oracle 8.1.7 and 9.2.0.5
MySQL 4.0.12
Sybase Adaptive Server 12.0
Informix Dynamic Server 9.2
(Also SapDB, Firebird server, SQL*Server, and several others that are
not running right now)

I just use them for development on this machine, but we have literally
thousands of customers with those database systems installed on Win32
and used in production.
 
> IMHO, core PostgreSQL development should not be sacrificed 
> for the sake of win32 port.

A typical window-phobic.  Thankfully, cooler heads will prevail.

Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:58:27 -0800
"Dann Corbit" <DCorbit@connx.com>
Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Not 7.5, but 8.0 ?

--- Dann Corbit <DCorbit@connx.com> wrote:
> I have all of the above database systems installed on the Windows 2000
> machine I am typing this message from.
> DB/2 7.1
> Oracle 8.1.7 and 9.2.0.5
> MySQL 4.0.12
> Sybase Adaptive Server 12.0
> Informix Dynamic Server 9.2
> (Also SapDB, Firebird server, SQL*Server, and several others that are
> not running right now)

I'd say your environment is somewhat unique.

> A typical window-phobic.

Not really. I simply think there are more pressing issues than win32 port.

Peace





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Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:22:42 -0800 (PST)
ow <oneway_111@yahoo.com>
Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Not 7.5, but 8.0 ?
Le Mardi 18 Novembre 2003 20:22, ow a écrit :
> Not really. I simply think there are more pressing issues than win32 port.

Dear friends,

Porting to Win32 can multiply:
- direct users (i.e. developers) by a factor of two or three,
- indirect users by a larger factor, provided that major projects include 
PostgreSQL in their offer.

PostgreSQL is a potential candidate for integration in OpenOffice, PHP bundles 
and several other projects. This is not the case of Firebird or MySQL which 
are not mature enough and do not cover all needs like PostgreSQL does.

PostgreSQL Win32 users can account in millions of people, not hundred 
thousands like today.

OK, now, some of us will complain that Win32 is not needed at a time when the 
Debian Synaptic graphical installer gives access to 13.748 packages. Win32 
sounds like an "old Atari game station". Agreed. On the long-run, everyone 
will leave Win32, even my grand-mother.

But, on the converse, porting PostgreSQL to Windows "today" should be 
considered with care, because Win32 is the last "component" needed to reach a 
portfolio effect.

[or to make a comparision in the "Risk" strategy game, when you have all 
countries in a continent, you win the continent].

Presently, PostgreSQL can be viewed as a large range of products and 
solutions. But this "range" only needs the Win32 port to become a complete 
portfolio. A portfolio effect is reached when you always answer questions 
with "Yes" or "All".

Do you do this or do that?
Answer A: yes, we do them All.
Answer B: yes, we do them All.
Answer C: yes, we do them All.
= portfolio effect
...

You wake-up and suddenly PostgreSQL becomes the next Office-suite in the 
domain of databases. This attracks more developers and everyone is happy with 
business.

Cheers,
Jean-Michel


Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:42:43 +0100
Jean-Michel POURE <jm@poure.com>
Win32 port
Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> OK, now, some of us will complain that Win32 is not needed at a time when the 
> Debian Synaptic graphical installer gives access to 13.748 packages. Win32 
> sounds like an "old Atari game station". Agreed. On the long-run, everyone 
> will leave Win32, even my grand-mother.

Well, jokes and rants aside, win32 port is on high priority.

The whole debate started on advocacy was 'Whether win32 port is killer-enough 
feature?' and not 'Whether win32 port is required now?'

Win32 will happen. and we will revisit this debate when there is another release 
with win32..:-)

  Shridhar


Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:59:31 +0530
Shridhar Daithankar <shridhar_daithankar@myrealbox.com>
Re: Win32 port