

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] 
> Sent: 05 May 2003 20:23
> To: PostgreSQL-development
> Cc: patrickm@redhat.com
> Subject: [HACKERS] 7.4 features list
> 
> 
> I am unsure what we should do:
> 
> 	delay code freeze
> 	allow Win32 patches during beta
> 	delay Win32 for 7.5

I think we should delay. Win32, whilst not important for many of the
people on this list is extremely important for the project itself in my
opinion. It is the one major 'feature' that even complete newbies pass
us by because we lack it, and head straight for MySQL.

We have the patches, we know we (ok, you :-) ) can make them work, so
let's delay the release as long as required (unless we're talking
excessive amounts of time here) and get out the Win32 release many
people have been talking about for 7.4.

Just my 0.02p...

Regards, Dave.


Tue, 6 May 2003 08:24:57 +0100
"Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
Re: 7.4 features list
> I think we should delay. Win32, whilst not important for many of the
> people on this list is extremely important for the project itself in my
> opinion. It is the one major 'feature' that even complete newbies pass
> us by because we lack it, and head straight for MySQL.

I don't mind delaying either, because:

1. Most people still have not upgraded to 7.3 (check the vote on
postgresql.org)

2. I don't think there are any 'compelling' features in 7.3 yet to make it
worth the effort upgrading...  PITR would be one such feature, however.

Chris


Tue, 6 May 2003 16:06:38 +0800
"Christopher Kings-Lynne" <chriskl@familyhealth.com.au>
Re: 7.4 features list
"Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk> writes:
> I think we should delay. Win32, whilst not important for many of the
> people on this list is extremely important for the project itself in my
> opinion. It is the one major 'feature' that even complete newbies pass
> us by because we lack it, and head straight for MySQL.

The fact that people are putting so much emphasis on attracting newbies
via the Windows port seems to me to be a good reason *not* to delay 7.4
for it.  If we slip the schedule for it, what we will have is a rushed,
probably not very solid port.  How many newbies will we lose permanently
if their first exposure to Postgres is a buggy Windows port?

I'd far rather see it done right for 7.5 than done hurriedly for 7.4.

			regards, tom lane


Tue, 06 May 2003 10:06:12 -0400
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: 7.4 features list 
> The fact that people are putting so much emphasis on attracting newbies
> via the Windows port seems to me to be a good reason *not* to delay 7.4
> for it.  If we slip the schedule for it, what we will have is a rushed,
> probably not very solid port.  How many newbies will we lose permanently
> if their first exposure to Postgres is a buggy Windows port?
>
> I'd far rather see it done right for 7.5 than done hurriedly for 7.4.

It's a bit embarassing for those of us who have been saying '7.4 will have
win32 and pitr' :)

Chris


Wed, 7 May 2003 09:43:45 +0800
"Christopher Kings-Lynne" <chriskl@familyhealth.com.au>
Re: 7.4 features list 
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> > The fact that people are putting so much emphasis on attracting newbies
> > via the Windows port seems to me to be a good reason *not* to delay 7.4
> > for it.  If we slip the schedule for it, what we will have is a rushed,
> > probably not very solid port.  How many newbies will we lose permanently
> > if their first exposure to Postgres is a buggy Windows port?
> >
> > I'd far rather see it done right for 7.5 than done hurriedly for 7.4.
> 
> It's a bit embarassing for those of us who have been saying '7.4 will have
> win32 and pitr' :)

Jan is coming here tomorrow for 2-3 days, so I will know very soon how
do-able Win32 is for June 1.  Of course, PITR is still unlikely by June 1.

Let me see what Jan finds tomorrow and I will report back.  The majority
of the feedback so far seems to be to postpone for July 1.  This gives
us more time for Win32 testing, and time for PITR.

Is there anyone who wants to argue for staying with the June 1 beta
date?  If no, we can just assume July 1 for beta.

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Tue, 6 May 2003 22:54:59 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: 7.4 features list
On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 22:54, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> > > The fact that people are putting so much emphasis on attracting newbies
> > > via the Windows port seems to me to be a good reason *not* to delay 7.4
> > > for it.  If we slip the schedule for it, what we will have is a rushed,
> > > probably not very solid port.  How many newbies will we lose permanently
> > > if their first exposure to Postgres is a buggy Windows port?
> > >
> > > I'd far rather see it done right for 7.5 than done hurriedly for 7.4.
> > 
> > It's a bit embarassing for those of us who have been saying '7.4 will have
> > win32 and pitr' :)
> 
> Jan is coming here tomorrow for 2-3 days, so I will know very soon how
> do-able Win32 is for June 1.  Of course, PITR is still unlikely by June 1.
> 
> Let me see what Jan finds tomorrow and I will report back.  The majority
> of the feedback so far seems to be to postpone for July 1.  This gives
> us more time for Win32 testing, and time for PITR.
> 
> Is there anyone who wants to argue for staying with the June 1 beta
> date?  If no, we can just assume July 1 for beta.
> 

Unless you and patrick both decide that even July 1 isn't doable, I
think we're all willing to wait an extra month.  I'd like to bring up
the question of when do folks see a 7.3.3 release?  Sometime in May? At
feature freeze?

Robert Treat


07 May 2003 09:23:50 -0400
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: 7.4 features list
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
> I'd like to bring up the question of when do folks see a 7.3.3
> release?

It should be soon.  We can't conveniently do it until Marc gets home
from fixing broken servers in Panama --- but I'd vote for rolling out
7.3.3 as soon as he is back.  It's been too long since 7.3.2 and we've
accumulated quite a number of bug fixes in that branch.

			regards, tom lane


Wed, 07 May 2003 09:54:56 -0400
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: 7.4 features list 