As you surely noticed, the psql -e flag ("echo" modus, if you will) has
changed its format (regression tests ring a bell?) in that it echoes the
input file verbatim. For the particular case of the regression tests this
seems like a good thing to me since you see the comments as well. However,
I also offer the "old" mode that merely echoes the actual queries as they
are sent to the backend (which, as we know since the array syntax thing,
can be quite different), but there's no option for this.

The suggestion I have is to offer the traditional behaviour with a single
-e flag, so there's little change for anyone switching from <7.0, and the
"full" echo mode with two -e flags. I'd then change the flags in the
regression drivers to -e -e. Comments? Better ideas?

Furthermore, does anyone have anything to say in defence of the -n ("no
readline") option? If not, I'd be tempted to "hide" it now, since it may
be a popular option letter to have available in the future.

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Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:07:26 +0100 (CET)
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
psql -e and -n flags
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> The suggestion I have is to offer the traditional behaviour with a single
> -e flag, so there's little change for anyone switching from <7.0, and the
> "full" echo mode with two -e flags. I'd then change the flags in the
> regression drivers to -e -e. Comments? Better ideas?

Seems reasonable.

> Furthermore, does anyone have anything to say in defence of the -n ("no
> readline") option? If not, I'd be tempted to "hide" it now, since it may
> be a popular option letter to have available in the future.

readline automatically turns off if the input is not coming from a
terminal, right?  That seems like the only really compelling reason
to have -n (since you wouldn't want script commands filling your
history or being subject to tab-completion).  I suppose someone who
really hated tab-completion might want a way to turn off just that
feature, though --- is there a way?

BTW, if you need one more item for your psql todo list ;-) ... when
looking at EXPLAIN outputs it's possible to get NOTICE messages that
fill many screensful.  It might be nice if NOTICEs went through the
pager like query results do.

			regards, tom lane

Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:54:42 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] psql -e and -n flags 
> The suggestion I have is to offer the traditional behaviour with a single
> -e flag, so there's little change for anyone switching from <7.0, and the
> "full" echo mode with two -e flags. I'd then change the flags in the
> regression drivers to -e -e. Comments? Better ideas?

Hmm. imho having a *count* of switch options being significant is the
wrong way to go. It gets in the way of things like

# alias ps psql -e
# ps -e postgres

where someone has defined a "convenience" alias for everyone and
someone else uses it later. Also, it is a style of switch invocation
not appearing elsewhere afaik.

I'd suggest a switch style like "-ee" or "-eb" (backend) or "-ev"
(verbatim) or ??? Comments?

                   - Thomas

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Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:34:40 +0000
Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>
Re: [HACKERS] psql -e and -n flags

>I'd suggest a switch style like "-ee" or "-eb" (backend) or "-ev"
>(verbatim) or ??? Comments?

Don's suggestion seems the right track for me.

It stays away from counting flags, which seems right.  It sticks with
one-char flags for single dashes whihc is not the law but is common
enough to be intuitive for many users.  PLus there's an aesthetic
appeal to -e for 'echo' and -E for 'echo everything'.  It also does
not change current behavior in cases where people are expecting psql
-e to behave a certain way.

Just my $0.02 worth as a user.


Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:49:32 -0500
Karl DeBisschop <kdebisschop@range.infoplease.com>
Re: [HACKERS] psql -e and -n flags
>>>>> "tl" == Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:

    tl> I'd suggest a switch style like "-ee" or "-eb" (backend) or
    tl> "-ev" (verbatim) or ??? Comments?

With the typical switch bundling, how is -ee different from -e -e?  It
is not unusual for programs to use -v for `verbose' with multiple -v's
possible.

roland
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06 Feb 2000 14:52:41 -0500
Roland Roberts <roberts@panix.com>
Re: [HACKERS] psql -e and -n flags
On 2000-02-06, Tom Lane mentioned:

> > Furthermore, does anyone have anything to say in defence of the -n ("no
> > readline") option? If not, I'd be tempted to "hide" it now, since it may
> > be a popular option letter to have available in the future.
> 
> readline automatically turns off if the input is not coming from a
> terminal, right?  That seems like the only really compelling reason
> to have -n (since you wouldn't want script commands filling your
> history or being subject to tab-completion).  I suppose someone who

You're right, readline is of course not used if the session is not
interactive. The fact of the matter is that the flag isn't even checked in
that case and things like loading the history file (a real hog) is not
done either.

> really hated tab-completion might want a way to turn off just that
> feature, though --- is there a way?

Sure. Put
  $if psql
  set disable-completion on
  $endif
in your ~/.inputrc. (Whoever came up with that double negative, though?)

> BTW, if you need one more item for your psql todo list ;-) ... when
> looking at EXPLAIN outputs it's possible to get NOTICE messages that
> fill many screensful.  It might be nice if NOTICEs went through the
> pager like query results do.

Oh boy, I can't promise anything there at this point in time.

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peter_e@gmx.net                   75262 Uppsala
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Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:49:42 +0100 (CET)
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: [HACKERS] psql -e and -n flags 
On 2000-02-06, Thomas Lockhart mentioned:

> > The suggestion I have is to offer the traditional behaviour with a single
> > -e flag, so there's little change for anyone switching from <7.0, and the
> > "full" echo mode with two -e flags. I'd then change the flags in the
> > regression drivers to -e -e. Comments? Better ideas?
> 
> Hmm. imho having a *count* of switch options being significant is the
> wrong way to go. It gets in the way of things like
> 
> # alias ps psql -e
> # ps -e postgres
> 
> where someone has defined a "convenience" alias for everyone and
> someone else uses it later. Also, it is a style of switch invocation
> not appearing elsewhere afaik.

I don't like it either, but I wasn't sure of a better way.

> 
> I'd suggest a switch style like "-ee" or "-eb" (backend) or "-ev"
> (verbatim) or ??? Comments?

Well that is an option style that doesn't appear anywhere either other
than perhaps find(1). getopt() would read "-ee" exactly as "-e -e", a
behaviour which conforms to POSIX and GNU and ROW (rest of world).

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Peter Eisentraut                  Sernanders vï¿½g 10:115
peter_e@gmx.net                   75262 Uppsala
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Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:49:56 +0100 (CET)
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: [HACKERS] psql -e and -n flags