
Going to announce later this evening to give the mirrors a chance to catch
up ... let me know if there are any problems ..



Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:18:00 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
Is this going to be announced to a wider press audience? Has anyone gone
over the "list of things to do when we release" to make sure things like
the websites getting updated or perhaps getting rpm builds coordinated
has been done?

Robert Treat


On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:18, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> 
> Going to announce later this evening to give the mirrors a chance to catch
> up ... let me know if there are any problems ..
> 




18 Dec 2002 09:30:20 -0500
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:

> Is this going to be announced to a wider press audience? Has anyone gone
> over the "list of things to do when we release" to make sure things like
> the websites getting updated or perhaps getting rpm builds coordinated
> has been done?

No, we don't do that with minor releases ... nothing has changed that
needs to be announced, other then a few bugs fixed ...


>
> Robert Treat
>
>
> On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:18, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >
> > Going to announce later this evening to give the mirrors a chance to catch
> > up ... let me know if there are any problems ..
> >
>
>
>
>

Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:51:11 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:51, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
> 
> > Is this going to be announced to a wider press audience? Has anyone gone
> > over the "list of things to do when we release" to make sure things like
> > the websites getting updated or perhaps getting rpm builds coordinated
> > has been done?
> 
> No, we don't do that with minor releases ... nothing has changed that
> needs to be announced, other then a few bugs fixed ...
> 

Surly the websites will still need to be updated, rpm's need to be
built, things like that...

Robert Treat


18 Dec 2002 10:43:27 -0500
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:

> On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:51, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
> >
> > > Is this going to be announced to a wider press audience? Has anyone gone
> > > over the "list of things to do when we release" to make sure things like
> > > the websites getting updated or perhaps getting rpm builds coordinated
> > > has been done?
> >
> > No, we don't do that with minor releases ... nothing has changed that
> > needs to be announced, other then a few bugs fixed ...
> >
>
> Surly the websites will still need to be updated, rpm's need to be
> built, things like that...

Of course, but that has nothing to do with announcing to a wider press
audience ... :)


Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:59:04 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> writes:
> Going to announce later this evening to give the mirrors a chance to catch
> up ... let me know if there are any problems ..

Tarball looks good from here.

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:57:48 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ... 
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Tom Lane wrote:

> "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> writes:
> > Going to announce later this evening to give the mirrors a chance to catch
> > up ... let me know if there are any problems ..
>
> Tarball looks good from here.

Great, put out a short techy announcement this evening when I geth home
...


Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:16:42 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ... 
Marc G. Fournier writes:

> Going to announce later this evening to give the mirrors a chance to catch
> up ... let me know if there are any problems ..

Plenty...

The release notes are missing at least one item and contain at least one
factual mistake that needs to be fixed.  The HISTORY file needs to be
reformatted because the line breaks look pretty ugly.  The list of
supported platforms needs to be revised and all platforms that have not
received a confirmation yet have to be moved to unsupported.  The INSTALL
file needs to be updated to get the list of supported platforms up-to-date
and the references to 7.3 need to be changed to 7.3.1.  A note about the
SSL incompatibility needs to be added or a fix needs to be mentioned in
the list of changes.  Someone also wrote me that a translation file is
stuck in the pgsql-patches queue.  It would be good if we could get that
one in as well.

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Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:56:10 +0100 (CET)
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier writes:
> 
> > Going to announce later this evening to give the mirrors a chance to catch
> > up ... let me know if there are any problems ..
> 
> Plenty...
> 
> The release notes are missing at least one item and contain at least one
> factual mistake that needs to be fixed.  The HISTORY file needs to be
> reformatted because the line breaks look pretty ugly.  The list of

How do you do that?  Do you manually reformat the whole file after you
generate it, or do you just cut-paste the new release info into
/HISTORY so the old manual formatting remains?  It did line break badly.

> supported platforms needs to be revised and all platforms that have not
> received a confirmation yet have to be moved to unsupported.  The INSTALL

Do we do that during the first minor?  I can do that if this is the time.

> file needs to be updated to get the list of supported platforms up-to-date
> and the references to 7.3 need to be changed to 7.3.1.  A note about the

Marc applied the patch after I stamped it.  Marc, do you want me to do it?

> SSL incompatibility needs to be added or a fix needs to be mentioned in
> the list of changes.  Someone also wrote me that a translation file is
> stuck in the pgsql-patches queue.  It would be good if we could get that
> one in as well.

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Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:10:43 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> > file needs to be updated to get the list of supported platforms up-to-date
> > and the references to 7.3 need to be changed to 7.3.1.  A note about the
>
> Marc applied the patch after I stamped it.  Marc, do you want me to do it?

Just curious as to whether any of this is critical enough to force a
rebuild of the .tar.gz files, or can they wait until v7.3.2?  That is my
only concern ... we can do it, and I can do the announce in the morning
instead of this evening, just want to make sure that its critical enough
...


Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:25:39 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> 
> > > file needs to be updated to get the list of supported platforms up-to-date
> > > and the references to 7.3 need to be changed to 7.3.1.  A note about the
> >
> > Marc applied the patch after I stamped it.  Marc, do you want me to do it?
> 
> Just curious as to whether any of this is critical enough to force a
> rebuild of the .tar.gz files, or can they wait until v7.3.2?  That is my
> only concern ... we can do it, and I can do the announce in the morning
> instead of this evening, just want to make sure that its critical enough
> ...

Not sure.  The tarball has 7.3 mentioned in the INSTALL file, not 7.3.1.
I only today saw how to update that, and I have added it to my
checklist.

I think the port changes can wait for 7.3.2.  I don't think the SSL
change is critical to be mentioned because it only opens up something
that was disabled in 7.3.

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Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:28:52 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
Bruce Momjian writes:

> How do you do that?  Do you manually reformat the whole file after you
> generate it, or do you just cut-paste the new release info into
> /HISTORY so the old manual formatting remains?  It did line break badly.

I put in the changes I had in mind and reformatted it, so as far as I'm
concerned it's good to go now.

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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:42:47 +0100 (CET)
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
Marc G. Fournier writes:

> Just curious as to whether any of this is critical enough to force a
> rebuild of the .tar.gz files, or can they wait until v7.3.2?  That is my
> only concern ... we can do it, and I can do the announce in the morning
> instead of this evening, just want to make sure that its critical enough
> ...

Well the changes are mostly about elimating incorrect information from the
release notes, which is surely critical, and putting in the correct
version number, which is also critical.  And neither of these things can
wait for 7.3.2, because that would kind of defeat the point.  If you jump
the gun with building the tarballs that's the price you have to pay.

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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:48:04 +0100 (CET)
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...

'K, I'm going to remove the tar files ... Bruce, can you go through these
and get them fixed up?

Peter, I have to take part of the blame away from Tom ... I'm on the road
tomrorow afternoon to Ontario, and won't be back online until *late* Fri,
so we kinda rushed it all ...

Tom, we tried ... I'll do up the tar ball on Friday, if everyone can tak
the next day and a bit to make sure we haven't missed anything?

On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:

> Marc G. Fournier writes:
>
> > Just curious as to whether any of this is critical enough to force a
> > rebuild of the .tar.gz files, or can they wait until v7.3.2?  That is my
> > only concern ... we can do it, and I can do the announce in the morning
> > instead of this evening, just want to make sure that its critical enough
> > ...
>
> Well the changes are mostly about elimating incorrect information from the
> release notes, which is surely critical, and putting in the correct
> version number, which is also critical.  And neither of these things can
> wait for 7.3.2, because that would kind of defeat the point.  If you jump
> the gun with building the tarballs that's the price you have to pay.
>
> --
> Peter Eisentraut   peter_e@gmx.net
>
>

Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:26:28 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
At 11:26 PM 18/12/2002 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>Tom, we tried ... I'll do up the tar ball on Friday, if everyone can tak
>the next day and a bit to make sure we haven't missed anything?

Seeing the setting for MAX_FSM_RELATIONS bumped to 1000 would be good 
(patch already sent)


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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:44:46 +1100
Philip Warner <pjw@rhyme.com.au>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...

I don't think we can bump that up in a minor.  Should we?

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> At 11:26 PM 18/12/2002 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >Tom, we tried ... I'll do up the tar ball on Friday, if everyone can tak
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> 
> Seeing the setting for MAX_FSM_RELATIONS bumped to 1000 would be good 
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Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:49:18 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
At 10:49 PM 18/12/2002 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>I don't think we can bump that up in a minor.

Why not? It's a relatively serious problem with the default config.


>Should we?

Yes.



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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:32:24 +1100
Philip Warner <pjw@rhyme.com.au>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Philip Warner wrote:

> At 10:49 PM 18/12/2002 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >I don't think we can bump that up in a minor.
> 
> Why not? It's a relatively serious problem with the default config.
> 
> 
> >Should we?
> 
> Yes.

I concur.  The problems of a too-low fsm setting are serious, and I can't 
see setting fsm to 1000 creating problems for anyone.  That's actually 
still a pretty low number for production servers.  


Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:08:29 -0700 (MST)
"scott.marlowe" <scott.marlowe@ihs.com>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
scott.marlowe wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Philip Warner wrote:
> 
> > At 10:49 PM 18/12/2002 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >I don't think we can bump that up in a minor.
> > 
> > Why not? It's a relatively serious problem with the default config.
> > 
> > 
> > >Should we?
> > 
> > Yes.
> 
> I concur.  The problems of a too-low fsm setting are serious, and I can't 
> see setting fsm to 1000 creating problems for anyone.  That's actually 
> still a pretty low number for production servers.  

OK, I agree it should be bumped up, but the issue is whether to do that
in a minor release.  It will increase shared memory by 36k.  Is that
safe in a beta?  Tom, Mr. FSM, can you comment?

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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:15:32 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> OK, I agree it should be bumped up, but the issue is whether to do that
> in a minor release.  It will increase shared memory by 36k.  Is that
> safe in a beta?  Tom, Mr. FSM, can you comment?

It seems a reasonably safe change, but I too am concerned about making
such changes in minor releases.  For 7.3.1 in particular, since there
have already been publicly available tarballs, I think we should avoid
making any more changes other than documentation fixes; otherwise
there's too much risk of confusion ("which 7.3.1 have you got?").

			regards, tom lane

Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:29:23 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ... 
Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> > OK, I agree it should be bumped up, but the issue is whether to do that
> > in a minor release.  It will increase shared memory by 36k.  Is that
> > safe in a beta?  Tom, Mr. FSM, can you comment?
> 
> It seems a reasonably safe change, but I too am concerned about making
> such changes in minor releases.  For 7.3.1 in particular, since there
> have already been publicly available tarballs, I think we should avoid
> making any more changes other than documentation fixes; otherwise
> there's too much risk of confusion ("which 7.3.1 have you got?").

It would have to be 7.3.2, I think.

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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:30:51 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
OK, what additional things need to be done for 7.3.1?  As far as I know,
we have done everything.

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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:58:47 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
What else needs to be done for 7.3.1?
Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> > OK, I agree it should be bumped up, but the issue is whether to do that
> > in a minor release.  It will increase shared memory by 36k.  Is that
> > safe in a beta?  Tom, Mr. FSM, can you comment?
> 
> It seems a reasonably safe change, but I too am concerned about making
> such changes in minor releases.  For 7.3.1 in particular, since there
> have already been publicly available tarballs, I think we should avoid
> making any more changes other than documentation fixes; otherwise
> there's too much risk of confusion ("which 7.3.1 have you got?").

I don't quite understand why there's reluctance to change this,
though.  What will it break?

It's probably sufficient to put something in the release notes
indicating that MAX_FSM_RELATIONS has increased and that you should
manually set it back to 100 in the config file if the change causes
problems.

With even relatively old systems having 128 megabytes or more memory
installed, I'd think that a 36k increase in shared memory usage is
small enough to make the change worth the risk.


Now, your concerns are probably more justified if you're worried about
the change causing some little-used code to suddenly start seeing a
lot of usage...



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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:19:05 -0800
Kevin Brown <kevin@sysexperts.com>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 12:58, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> OK, what additional things need to be done for 7.3.1?  As far as I know,
> we have done everything.
> 

Do we want to coordinate with Lamar or Oliver about having packages
ready to coincide with the release announcement?

Robert Treat


19 Dec 2002 13:40:00 -0500
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: What else needs to be done for 7.3.1?
Kevin Brown wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> > > OK, I agree it should be bumped up, but the issue is whether to do that
> > > in a minor release.  It will increase shared memory by 36k.  Is that
> > > safe in a beta?  Tom, Mr. FSM, can you comment?
> > 
> > It seems a reasonably safe change, but I too am concerned about making
> > such changes in minor releases.  For 7.3.1 in particular, since there
> > have already been publicly available tarballs, I think we should avoid
> > making any more changes other than documentation fixes; otherwise
> > there's too much risk of confusion ("which 7.3.1 have you got?").
> 
> I don't quite understand why there's reluctance to change this,
> though.  What will it break?
> 
> It's probably sufficient to put something in the release notes
> indicating that MAX_FSM_RELATIONS has increased and that you should
> manually set it back to 100 in the config file if the change causes
> problems.
> 
> With even relatively old systems having 128 megabytes or more memory
> installed, I'd think that a 36k increase in shared memory usage is
> small enough to make the change worth the risk.
> 
> 
> Now, your concerns are probably more justified if you're worried about
> the change causing some little-used code to suddenly start seeing a
> lot of usage...

I think we have agreed on putting it on 7.3.X.  The issue is that 7.3.1
is already packaged, so it will have to wait for 7.3.2.

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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:44:12 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: v7.3.1 tar ready ... please check it ...
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 18:40, Robert Treat wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 12:58, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > OK, what additional things need to be done for 7.3.1?  As far as I know,
> > we have done everything.
> > 
> 
> Do we want to coordinate with Lamar or Oliver about having packages
> ready to coincide with the release announcement?

All is ready for when the new tar.gz appears.  Once I have downloaded
it, it should only take 10 minutes or so to package. 

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20 Dec 2002 00:02:45 +0000
Oliver Elphick <olly@lfix.co.uk>
Re: What else needs to be done for 7.3.1?