Hello,

After reading the recent mailing list thread about PostgreSQL not
growing in popularity as fast as MySQL and the lack of a legible logo, I
got bored and took a stab at some.  I'd like to make a new logo for
people to pass around and also get an HTML/Logo usage page in the
distribution.  Feedback would be appreciated.

Cheers,
-STEVEl

http://www.nettek-llc.com/postgresql/

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Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:35:10 +0000
Steve Logue <stevel@mail.cdsnet.net>
NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS

	Hi.

Due to some bug report for the postgresql python interface, I started
testing the current large objects support. Two points seems to be wrong,
but yet I only studied one.

LO may span over some blocks and whenever a block boundary is crossed (for
the first access for example, or whenever a full block has been read), the
lo_read() query gets a: 
   "NOTICE:  buffer leak [xx] detected in BufferPoolCheckLeak()"
The leak is located in an index_getnext() call to seek the next
block (using a btree index). But as this part of code is less easy to
follow and I can't go further.
This call is locate in inv_fetchtup(), called by inv_read() from the
inv_api.c file.

Could someone give me some pointers on how I could track where the faulty
buffer is allocated?
 
Thanks.

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Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:15:31 +0200 (MEST)
andre@via.ecp.fr
Buffer leak?
Steve Logue writes: 
> 
> After reading the recent mailing list thread about PostgreSQL not
> growing in popularity as fast as MySQL and the lack of a legible logo, I
> got bored and took a stab at some.  I'd like to make a new logo for
> people to pass around and also get an HTML/Logo usage page in the
> distribution.  Feedback would be appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> -STEVEl
> 
> http://www.nettek-llc.com/postgresql/

These are not bad, although the difference in size between the "Postgre" and
the "SQL" make it a little hard to read as one word. The different background
for the two parts of the word adds to this. Still, they are attractive. 

Hmmm, I have an idea, what about a Penguin?

-dg

David Gould           dg@illustra.com            510.628.3783 or 510.305.9468
Informix Software                      300 Lakeside Drive   Oakland, CA 94612
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Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:45:24 -0700 (PDT)
dg@illustra.com (David Gould)
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
dg@illustra.com (David Gould) writes:

| > http://www.nettek-llc.com/postgresql/
| 
| These are not bad, although the difference in size between the "Postgre" and
| the "SQL" make it a little hard to read as one word. The different background
| for the two parts of the word adds to this. Still, they are attractive. 

I would tend to agree; unfortunately, the name is a bit too long and awkward to
be used as a visual logo.

| Hmmm, I have an idea, what about a Penguin?

Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between the BSD
daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and white penguin with
horns and a long, barbed tail?  :)

							---Ken

Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:03:07 -0700 (PDT)
Ken McGlothlen <mcglk@serv.net>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:

> Steve Logue writes: 
> > 
> > After reading the recent mailing list thread about PostgreSQL not
> > growing in popularity as fast as MySQL and the lack of a legible logo, I
> > got bored and took a stab at some.  I'd like to make a new logo for
> > people to pass around and also get an HTML/Logo usage page in the
> > distribution.  Feedback would be appreciated.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > -STEVEl
> > 
> > http://www.nettek-llc.com/postgresql/
> 
> These are not bad, although the difference in size between the "Postgre" and
> the "SQL" make it a little hard to read as one word. The different background
> for the two parts of the word adds to this. Still, they are attractive. 
> 
> Hmmm, I have an idea, what about a Penguin?

	Damn linux fanatics :)

	We want "product identification"...the Penguin is what Linux is
identified with, and, as we *all* know, the last thing I would want to be
identified with :)

	Someone came up with an alligator as our totem...but nobody seemed
able to come up with a *strong* image to use :(  I kinda like an elephant
or turtle...a little slower, but highly dependable...

	We need something to identify with that isn't already used (ie. I
won't suggest a little devil *grin*)...

	Steve...I looked at the ones you made, and found then a little
dry...I personally think it is going to be difficult to do a 'Powered by'
icon with an animal on it, but is it possible to *jumps* out at you?
Maybe a little depth?  Maybe emboss the work PostgreSQL, so that it stands
out from the page?  I like the top-left one the most, against the white
background like that, but maybe have it stick out like a button?

	I'm just throwing ideas out...take or leave any and/or all of them
:)


Marc G. Fournier                                
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:07:17 -0300 (ADT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Ken McGlothlen wrote:

> Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between the BSD
> daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and white penguin with
> horns and a long, barbed tail?  :)

Actually, I've seen something along those lines before also, a spoof on
the Linux penguin, Tux.

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Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:14:19 -0400 (EDT)
"Brett W. McCoy" <bmccoy@lan2wan.com>
Re: [GENERAL] Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
Marc G. Fournier writes:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:
> > Hmmm, I have an idea, what about a Penguin?
> 
> 	Damn linux fanatics :)
> 
> 	We want "product identification"...the Penguin is what Linux is
> identified with, and, as we *all* know, the last thing I would want to be
> identified with :)

Off topic, but this is too good, so I am going to share anyway:

For background, the official Linux logo is a drawing of a rather plump
and distinctly non-threatening penguin known as 'Tux'.
-dg

Forwarded message:
> Subject: Re: Q: Why a penguin? 
> From: C. Chan <cchan@surya.bsd.uchicago.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
> 
> Clive Clomsbarrow  <xxx@xxx.org> wrote:
> >
> >Apparently Linus is person to blame for adopting
> >the stupid-looking thing. I guess he thought a
> >penguin would be cool (literally and figuratively).
> >I guess he deserves to get his way, even if it is
> >a demonstrable fact that marketing and engineering
> >are incompatible specialties.
> >
> 
> A penguin is OK, though I'd prefer the N. hemisphere
> puffin.
> 
> I think it needs more attitude though, the mascot
> looks too tame sitting on its fat duff. To really
> appeal to Americans, the penguin should have a hot
> pink mohawk, mirrorshades, an ammo belt draped about
> its shoulders, an Uzi tucked under one wing...
> 
> ...and the severed head of Bill Gates under the other.
> 
> -- 


-dg

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Informix Software                      300 Lakeside Drive   Oakland, CA 94612
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 AMERICAN companies like Microsoft who invented computing as we
 know it, and are being punished for their success..."

Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:17:07 -0700 (PDT)
dg@illustra.com (David Gould)
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:

> > I think it needs more attitude though, the mascot
> > looks too tame sitting on its fat duff. To really
> > appeal to Americans, the penguin should have a hot
> > pink mohawk, mirrorshades, an ammo belt draped about
> > its shoulders, an Uzi tucked under one wing...
> > 
> > ...and the severed head of Bill Gates under the other.


Sounds good.. print it!


Kevin



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Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:32:13 -0500 (CDT)
Kevin Heflin <kheflin@shreve.net>
Re: [GENERAL] Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
The Hermit Hacker wrote:

>         We want "product identification"...the Penguin is what Linux is
> identified with, and, as we *all* know, the last thing I would want to be
> identified with :)

(First off - thanks to everyone for the feed back.)

I agree - actually I think animals should be out alltogether.  IMHO Postgres needs
a professional, corporate image.  Look at MySQL's stuff again.  Very
clean/professional - something that "soothes" the business types into trying the
product for potentially important things.  Many people just assume MySQL is a
superior product because it is the product of a company, and looks it (whom happen
to give sources too).

>
>
>         Someone came up with an alligator as our totem...but nobody seemed
> able to come up with a *strong* image to use :(  I kinda like an elephant
> or turtle...a little slower, but highly dependable...
>
>         We need something to identify with that isn't already used (ie. I
> won't suggest a little devil *grin*)...
>

The alligators look good and certainly were more effort.  If we must do an animal,
I think the original logo had it right - something FAST - a chetah, a gazell,
can't go wrong with an eagle in this country :)

>         Steve...I looked at the ones you made, and found then a little
> dry...I personally think it is going to be difficult to do a 'Powered by'
> icon with an animal on it, but is it possible to *jumps* out at you?
> Maybe a little depth?  Maybe emboss the work PostgreSQL, so that it stands
> out from the page?  I like the top-left one the most, against the white
> background like that, but maybe have it stick out like a button?

OK we have a concensus somewhat - everyone has been pretty much saying the say
things.  The logo's are "flat" and the portions Postgre and SQL are too disjoint,
and most people like the blue/white combo.  I will make up some more interesting
ones this weekend using these notions.

Thanks Again,
-STEVEl

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Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:24:13 +0000
Steve Logue <stevel@mail.cdsnet.net>
Re: [GENERAL] Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Steve Logue wrote:

> >         Someone came up with an alligator as our totem...but nobody seemed
> > able to come up with a *strong* image to use :(  I kinda like an elephant
> > or turtle...a little slower, but highly dependable...
> >
> >         We need something to identify with that isn't already used (ie. I
> > won't suggest a little devil *grin*)...
> >
> 
> The alligators look good and certainly were more effort.  If we must do
> an animal, I think the original logo had it right - something FAST - a
> chetah, a gazell, can't go wrong with an eagle in this country :) 

	But...we aren't fast...we're getting better, mind you :)

	And...ummmm...an eagle is kinda like the Penguin...I don't want to
"identify" with the US ... now, a beaver might be nice? :)

> OK we have a concensus somewhat - everyone has been pretty much saying
> the say things.  The logo's are "flat" and the portions Postgre and SQL
> are too disjoint, and most people like the blue/white combo.  I will
> make up some more interesting ones this weekend using these notions. 

	Just be patient with us...we are a hard crowd to please :)



Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:46:07 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [GENERAL] Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:

> Steve Logue writes: 
> > 
> > After reading the recent mailing list thread about PostgreSQL not
> > growing in popularity as fast as MySQL and the lack of a legible logo, I
> > got bored and took a stab at some.  I'd like to make a new logo for
> > people to pass around and also get an HTML/Logo usage page in the
> > distribution.  Feedback would be appreciated.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > -STEVEl
> > 
> > http://www.nettek-llc.com/postgresql/
> 
> These are not bad, although the difference in size between the "Postgre" and
> the "SQL" make it a little hard to read as one word. The different background
> for the two parts of the word adds to this. Still, they are attractive. 
> 
> Hmmm, I have an idea, what about a Penguin?

What about *the* Penguin?  He's available at www.dccomics.com...
Sorry, couldn't resist.  I like the logos and will borrow them
shortly for the UGD PostgreSQL page...thanks Steve.

Cheers,
Tom


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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:05:25 -0400 (EDT)
Tom Good <tomg@nrnet.org>
Re: [GENERAL] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Ken McGlothlen wrote:
> Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between
> the BSD daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and
> white penguin with horns and a long, barbed tail?  :) 

How about the BSD daemon and the Linux penguin clubing down baby harp
seals?

That would be fairly distinct and eye-catching at the same time.

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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:10:07 -0400 (EDT)
"Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS

It seems to me like we need to solicit help from contest.gimp.org.

On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 	Steve...I looked at the ones you made, and found then a little
> dry...I personally think it is going to be difficult to do a 'Powered
> by' icon with an animal on it, but is it possible to *jumps* out at you? 
> Maybe a little depth?  Maybe emboss the work PostgreSQL, so that it
> stands out from the page?  I like the top-left one the most, against the
> white background like that, but maybe have it stick out like a button? 
> 
> 	I'm just throwing ideas out...take or leave any and/or all of them


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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT)
"Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Tom Good wrote:

> What about *the* Penguin?  He's available at www.dccomics.com...
> Sorry, couldn't resist.  I like the logos and will borrow them
> shortly for the UGD PostgreSQL page...thanks Steve.

Maybe we should present the idea of the logo to the keepers of the Gimp,
and have them run it as one of their monthly contests. The GNOME project
did this, and there were some fabulous logos entered by some very talented
artists.

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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:23:22 -0400 (EDT)
"Brett W. McCoy" <bmccoy@lan2wan.com>
Re: [GENERAL] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Ken McGlothlen wrote:
> > Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between
> > the BSD daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and
> > white penguin with horns and a long, barbed tail?  :) 
> 
> How about the BSD daemon and the Linux penguin clubing down baby harp
> seals?

	How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the
Linux penguin? :)



Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:23:29 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the Linux
> penguin? :) 

Linux really isn't a problem as far as I'm concerned.

You spend far too much time engaging in sniper warfare against Linux and
its users in this group.  While I agree with you that Linux has some
philosophical issues that I'm not completly happy with its users do not
need our remarks or appriciate our efforts to 'save' them.

Linux will reap what it sows.  (And it has)

If you wish to create dissident waves in what should be a fairly coherent
effort to produce a superior -database- system, by all means continue OS
bashing.

So long as the PostgreSQL development efforts maintain high standards and
continues to demand coherent, well designed and implemented code from the
various submiters I see no chance of us having to cope with the problems
of a completly open and arbitrary development effort (Like Linux.) 

Compared to the MySQL source, PostgreSQL is remarkably clean.  We have a
very nice build enviornment, clear divisions in the source tree for
various modules etc.

Lets concentrate our efforts on converting people from MySQL and WindowsNT
to Unix (any unix) and leave the OS dicksizing to the Advocacy groups.

Besides, everyone knows that Satanix is the one true OS.  :)

(Satanix:  When the rapture comes will you have root?)

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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:35:55 -0400 (EDT)
"Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Ken McGlothlen wrote:
> > > Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between
> > > the BSD daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and
> > > white penguin with horns and a long, barbed tail?  :) 
> > 
> > How about the BSD daemon and the Linux penguin clubing down baby harp
> > seals?
> 
> 	How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the
> Linux penguin? :)

I was thinking maybe the BSD daemon grilling the Linux penguin.  :)

Vince.
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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:57:21 -0400 (EDT)
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> Linux really isn't a problem as far as I'm concerned.

	You haven't been around very long, have you?  Ask Thomas, one of
the core developers and a Linux user, what Linux' history has been like as
far as PostgreSQL  :)

	Anyone that has been here long enough knows how I feel about
Linux, and they know that I enjoy Baiting as much as possible, cause,
quite frankly...you guys are *sooooo* easy to bait :)

> You spend far too much time engaging in sniper warfare against Linux and
> its users in this group.  While I agree with you that Linux has some
> philosophical issues that I'm not completly happy with its users do not
> need our remarks or appriciate our efforts to 'save' them.

	Geez, I wasn't even considering philosophical issues...I was
considering the issues of portability issues as far as PostgreSQL was/is
concerned...

	...look at the mailing list archives...its been a nightmare,
specially with the new glibc "standard" that is only standard on Linux :(

> Besides, everyone knows that Satanix is the one true OS.  :)

	Err?  What's Satanix and where can I get a copy? :)


Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:57:38 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Ken McGlothlen wrote:
> > > > Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between
> > > > the BSD daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and
> > > > white penguin with horns and a long, barbed tail?  :) 
> > > 
> > > How about the BSD daemon and the Linux penguin clubing down baby harp
> > > seals?
> > 
> > 	How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the
> > Linux penguin? :)
> 
> I was thinking maybe the BSD daemon grilling the Linux penguin.  :)

	On, like, a BBQ?  :)



Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:00:07 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Ken McGlothlen wrote:
> > > > > Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between
> > > > > the BSD daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and
> > > > > white penguin with horns and a long, barbed tail?  :) 
> > > > 
> > > > How about the BSD daemon and the Linux penguin clubing down baby harp
> > > > seals?
> > > 
> > > 	How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the
> > > Linux penguin? :)
> > 
> > I was thinking maybe the BSD daemon grilling the Linux penguin.  :)
> 
> 	On, like, a BBQ?  :)

Yeah, and he can stick the thing a couple of times with his pitchfork to 
see if it's done!  :)

Vince.
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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:04:18 -0400 (EDT)
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 	You haven't been around very long, have you?  Ask Thomas, one of
> the core developers and a Linux user, what Linux' history has been like as
> far as PostgreSQL  :)
> 
> 	Anyone that has been here long enough knows how I feel about
> Linux, and they know that I enjoy Baiting as much as possible, cause,
> quite frankly...you guys are *sooooo* easy to bait :)

Plonk.  I was here before you were.

Read the old mailing list archives.  :)

Newcomers might not understand you was well as everyone here does.

We'd really hate to end up like QMail and have an essentially good product
but a bad rep because everyone thinks one of the authors is 'an asshole'.

> 	Geez, I wasn't even considering philosophical issues...I was
> considering the issues of portability issues as far as PostgreSQL was/is
> concerned...
> 
> 	...look at the mailing list archives...its been a nightmare,
> specially with the new glibc "standard" that is only standard on Linux :(

As I said; Linux will reap what they sow.

As long as we are not forced to change important things in order to
'support' Linux we're ok.

The Linux users/developers associated with this project seem more than
willing to do the work of making PostgreSQL work with Linux.

The Linux community seems more than willing to play upgrade of the week in
order to maintain a stable operating platform.

If this is the system that work for them then more power to them.

You and I and others who enjoy sleeping at night and not having to worry
about mucking about with glibc (and other horrors) can use Solaris or
FreeBSD or BSDI or whatever.

> > Besides, everyone knows that Satanix is the one true OS.  :)
> 
> 	Err?  What's Satanix and where can I get a copy? :)

Its nearly free but the NDA is a complete bitch.

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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:06:55 -0400 (EDT)
"Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Ken McGlothlen wrote:
> > > > > > Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between
> > > > > > the BSD daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and
> > > > > > white penguin with horns and a long, barbed tail?  :) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > How about the BSD daemon and the Linux penguin clubing down baby harp
> > > > > seals?
> > > > 
> > > > 	How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the
> > > > Linux penguin? :)
> > > 
> > > I was thinking maybe the BSD daemon grilling the Linux penguin.  :)
> > 
> > 	On, like, a BBQ?  :)
> 
> Yeah, and he can stick the thing a couple of times with his pitchfork to 
> see if it's done!  :)

	Woah, an animated gif at that? :)

	Matthew...we are only kidding...go back through my older posts
where I explain *why* I personally don't like Linux, but, at the same
time, I acknowledge everything Linux *has* done for the anti-MicroSloth
campaign.  My experience with Linux users, in general, is that you guys
are sooooo easy to incite to riot, and I enjoy playing with that.  I
always have, ever since this whole project started, and, as long as its
easy to do, I'll continue to do so...

	...take it with the grain of salt that I serve it with :)



Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:19:44 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> > 	Err?  What's Satanix and where can I get a copy? :)
> 
> Its nearly free but the NDA is a complete bitch.

	I think I already signed it, years ago...must have forgotten to
ship me the release :(



Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:21:20 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the Linux
> > penguin? :) 
> 
> Linux really isn't a problem as far as I'm concerned.
> 
> You spend far too much time engaging in sniper warfare against Linux and
> its users in this group.  While I agree with you that Linux has some

I'm a Linux guy who doesn't take offense at all...I dislike that
penguin as much as anyone.  ;-)

> Besides, everyone knows that Satanix is the one true OS.  :)
> (Satanix:  When the rapture comes will you have root?)

`Du siehst mit diesem Trank im Leibe bald Helenen in jedem Weibe...'
 - Mephistopheles  (well, as recorded by JW v Goethe ;-)

Cheers Matthew,
Tom

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> 

Cheers,
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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:18:29 -0400 (EDT)
Tom Good <tomg@nrnet.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Ken McGlothlen wrote:
> > > Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between
> > > the BSD daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and
> > > white penguin with horns and a long, barbed tail?  :) 
> > 
> > How about the BSD daemon and the Linux penguin clubing down baby harp
> > seals?
> 
> 	How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the
> Linux penguin? :)

I like it. Only, there is a big open ice floe with one solitary BSD daemon
in the foreground clubbing like mad at ...



    a crowd of penguins covering the scene from here to the horizon. 

Great fun!

Can we get back to work now?

-dg

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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:24:31 -0700 (PDT)
dg@illustra.com (David Gould)
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
> 	...look at the mailing list archives...its been a nightmare,
> specially with the new glibc "standard" that is only standard on Linux :(

Excuse? I think glibc is intended to be standard everywhere. As far as I
know, it has nothing to do with Linux other than Linux (as usual) is faster
to adopt it than some of the "legacy systems".

> > Besides, everyone knows that Satanix is the one true OS.  :)
> 
> 	Err?  What's Satanix and where can I get a copy? :)

NT 5.0. You have to sell your soul to Bill.

-dg

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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:35:38 -0700 (PDT)
dg@illustra.com (David Gould)
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:

> > On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Ken McGlothlen wrote:
> > > > Already taken by Apple's Quicktime product.  However, a cross between
> > > > the BSD daemon 'toon and a penguin would be fairly funny; a red and
> > > > white penguin with horns and a long, barbed tail?  :) 
> > > 
> > > How about the BSD daemon and the Linux penguin clubing down baby harp
> > > seals?
> > 
> > 	How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the
> > Linux penguin? :)
> 
> I like it. Only, there is a big open ice floe with one solitary BSD daemon
> in the foreground clubbing like mad at ...
> 
> 
> 
>     a crowd of penguins covering the scene from here to the horizon. 
> 
> Great fun!

	*rofl*  I love it...:)  

> Can we get back to work now?

	A little light humor is refreshing, no? :)



Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:47:48 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:

> > 	...look at the mailing list archives...its been a nightmare,
> > specially with the new glibc "standard" that is only standard on Linux :(
> 
> Excuse? I think glibc is intended to be standard everywhere. As far as I
> know, it has nothing to do with Linux other than Linux (as usual) is faster
> to adopt it than some of the "legacy systems".

	No, my point was that, as far as I know, Linux is the *only* one
that has adopted it so far.  I've yet to even *hear* anything about in the
FreeBSD mailing lists...

> NT 5.0. You have to sell your soul to Bill.

	Ack, damn, I don't want a copy *that* badly :)



Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:48:54 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > How about the BSD daemon just saving time and clubbing down the Linux
> > penguin? :)
>
> If you wish to create dissident waves in what should be a fairly coherent
> effort to produce a superior -database- system, by all means continue OS
> bashing.

Wow - Man - have a beer or two...  I started this thread to get some logo ideas
and eventually help promote PGSL - back to the subject...  (to those in contact
with the GIMP project - a contest is a great idea)

-STEVEl

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Thu, 04 Jun 1998 18:52:06 +0000
Steve Logue <stevel@mail.cdsnet.net>
Re: [GENERAL] Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:
> Excuse? I think glibc is intended to be standard everywhere. As far as I
> know, it has nothing to do with Linux other than Linux (as usual) is
> faster to adopt it than some of the "legacy systems". 

'standard' in what sense?

In the sense that Linux uses it you are correct.

I don't expect NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BSDI, Solaris, Digital Unix, AIX,
HPUX, SCO/Unixware etc to use it.

In that sense Linux is still doing things its own way, breaking things for
no aparent reason. 

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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
"Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
> 
> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:
> 
> > > 	...look at the mailing list archives...its been a nightmare,
> > > specially with the new glibc "standard" that is only standard on Linux :(
> > 
> > Excuse? I think glibc is intended to be standard everywhere. As far as I
> > know, it has nothing to do with Linux other than Linux (as usual) is faster
> > to adopt it than some of the "legacy systems".
> 
> 	No, my point was that, as far as I know, Linux is the *only* one
> that has adopted it so far.  I've yet to even *hear* anything about in the
> FreeBSD mailing lists...

BSDI is going to be using glibc, I think as part of a way of running
Linux binaries.



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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:11:54 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> > 
> > On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:
> > 
> > > > 	...look at the mailing list archives...its been a nightmare,
> > > > specially with the new glibc "standard" that is only standard on Linux :(
> > > 
> > > Excuse? I think glibc is intended to be standard everywhere. As far as I
> > > know, it has nothing to do with Linux other than Linux (as usual) is faster
> > > to adopt it than some of the "legacy systems".
> > 
> > 	No, my point was that, as far as I know, Linux is the *only* one
> > that has adopted it so far.  I've yet to even *hear* anything about in the
> > FreeBSD mailing lists...
> 
> BSDI is going to be using glibc, I think as part of a way of running
> Linux binaries.

	Just for the Linux emulation though (ie. take Linux libraries to
use for the Linux emulator)...that's what we aer doing here also...



Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:23:12 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> BSDI is going to be using glibc, I think as part of a way of running
> Linux binaries.

There is a difference between offering glibc as a linux compat lib and
using it to link your world against.

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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:02:33 -0400 (EDT)
"Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> We'd really hate to end up like QMail and have an essentially good product
> but a bad rep because everyone thinks one of the authors is 'an asshole'.

Since there's only ONE author of qmail, I'll assume you're referring to 
Dan.  I've been using qmail since version 0.72 and have had many
encounters with him.  He's stubborn.  Very stubborn.  He's also rather
opinionated.  But he's not 'an asshole'.

Vince.
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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:45:41 -0400 (edt)
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> Since there's only ONE author of qmail, I'll assume you're referring to
> Dan.  I've been using qmail since version 0.72 and have had many
> encounters with him.  He's stubborn.  Very stubborn.  He's also rather
> opinionated.  But he's not 'an asshole'. 

Maybe not, but he sure comes off that way at times. :)

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Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:48:27 -0400 (EDT)
"Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
Matthew N. Dodd writes:
> > Excuse? I think glibc is intended to be standard everywhere. As far as I
> > know, it has nothing to do with Linux other than Linux (as usual) is
> > faster to adopt it than some of the "legacy systems". 
> 
> 'standard' in what sense?

In that it is the base for a common binary format for all Intel Unix
platforms. The idea is for applications to be used on all these systems
without need for recompilation.

> In the sense that Linux uses it you are correct.

No. The others will/should follow.

> I don't expect NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BSDI, Solaris, Digital Unix, AIX,
> HPUX, SCO/Unixware etc to use it.

As long as they are not on Intel architecturey ou're probably right.

Michael

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Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:56:56 +0200 (CEST)
Michael Meskes <meskes@topsystem.de>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
Bruce Momjian writes:
> BSDI is going to be using glibc, I think as part of a way of running
> Linux binaries.

I think they are also part of this Unix on Intel group.

Michael

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Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:57:33 +0200 (CEST)
Michael Meskes <meskes@topsystem.de>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:
> > Excuse? I think glibc is intended to be standard everywhere. As far as I
> > know, it has nothing to do with Linux other than Linux (as usual) is
> > faster to adopt it than some of the "legacy systems". 
> 
> 'standard' in what sense?
> 
> In the sense that Linux uses it you are correct.
> 
> I don't expect NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BSDI, Solaris, Digital Unix, AIX,
> HPUX, SCO/Unixware etc to use it.
> 
> In that sense Linux is still doing things its own way, breaking things for
> no aparent reason. 

Actually, some year ago a group started up, I think they're called the 
x86open group, that is working to making a standard c-library interface 
for x86 based UNIX's. In that group, Linux, BSD *and* SCO and some other 
commercial entities are represented. The plan is to use glibc 2 as a base.

Maarten

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Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:36:26 +0200 (MET DST)
Maarten Boekhold <maartenb@dutepp0.et.tudelft.nl>
Re: [GENERAL] Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
Dr. Michael Meskes writes:
> Matthew N. Dodd writes:
> > > Excuse? I think glibc is intended to be standard everywhere. As far as I
> > > know, it has nothing to do with Linux other than Linux (as usual) is
> > > faster to adopt it than some of the "legacy systems". 
> > 
> > 'standard' in what sense?
> 
> In that it is the base for a common binary format for all Intel Unix
> platforms. The idea is for applications to be used on all these systems
> without need for recompilation.
> 
> > In the sense that Linux uses it you are correct.
> 
> No. The others will/should follow.
> 
> > I don't expect NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BSDI, Solaris, Digital Unix, AIX,
> > HPUX, SCO/Unixware etc to use it.
> 
> As long as they are not on Intel architecturey ou're probably right.
> 
> Michael

Thank you. I was going to say all this, but you have done a better job.

Linux previously used its very own libc. This was not a bad libc and we
have all been very happy with it, but programs tended to get littered with
"/usr/include/linux" includes as the libc depended on Linux.

The whole point of Glibc is to make Linux MORE STANDARD. Glibc is intended
to be the reference libc. And it is not a Linux thing. It is a standard thing.
So that no Linuxisms creep into your code. So that it is portable.

This of course is most useful if the remaining platforms adopt it too. 
Given current trends, I suspect this will happen.

Of course, right now only Redhat 5.0 and 5.1 use it. And Redhat has taken
a lot of heat for it too in the more ignorant parts of the Linux community.

The other distributions will follow. Debian is almost there. And all the
neat new packages will follow. And so eventually all the Intel platforms will
have a Glibc so they can use all that fun new stuff. And the good news is
that Glibc is portable in the sense that if you have Glibc, Glibc programs
work. So the effect is now the other Intel Unixs get to run all the nice
new Linux binaries. Look at that, install a library, get access to more
software. If you want (not have, want) to you can even build software that
will run on Linux with no Linux.

But "no good deed ever goes unpunished", so now we have people _complaining_
about how awful and nonstandard and horrible Linux is for useing Glibc.

All else aside, the non Linux Unixs are going to support Linux compatibility.
Or educate all 10 million Linux users ;-).  And Glibc is far better for a
non Linux system then Linux Libc5.

Ingrates! ;-)

-dg

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Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:40:33 -0700 (PDT)
dg@illustra.com (David Gould)
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
> > Besides, everyone knows that Satanix is the one true OS.  :)
> > (Satanix:  When the rapture comes will you have root?)
> 
> `Du siehst mit diesem Trank im Leibe bald Helenen in jedem Weibe...'
>  - Mephistopheles  (well, as recorded by JW v Goethe ;-)

While we're citing Goethe:

`Ich bin ein teil des teils der anfang alles war, ein teil des finsternis die
sich das licht verdrang'

(For native german speakers, please forgive me any grammar and spelling 
errors, I'm doing this from head)

Maarten

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Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:43:40 +0200 (MET DST)
Maarten Boekhold <maartenb@dutepp0.et.tudelft.nl>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:
> This of course is most useful if the remaining platforms adopt it too. 
> Given current trends, I suspect this will happen. 

I suspect you're talking about 'remaining Linux distributions, on all
platforms (Alpha,MIPS,Sparc,ix86 etc.)

In that sense you are correct and it is already happening.

> The other distributions will follow. Debian is almost there. And all the
> neat new packages will follow. And so eventually all the Intel platforms
> will have a Glibc so they can use all that fun new stuff. And the good
> news is that Glibc is portable in the sense that if you have Glibc,
> Glibc programs work. So the effect is now the other Intel Unixs get to
> run all the nice new Linux binaries. Look at that, install a library,
> get access to more software. If you want (not have, want) to you can
> even build software that will run on Linux with no Linux. 

All the other OS will be able to use glibc2 binaries in the same way that
Linux uses Solaris2 binaries; through a binary ABI interface.

FreeBSD already runs libc5 and glibc2 binaries.  Suggesting that FreeBSD
or other platforms compile native binaries against glibc2 is silly; they
have their own libc which works just fine.

> All else aside, the non Linux Unixs are going to support Linux
> compatibility.

Supporting a binary ABI is completly different from using glibc2 natively.

> Or educate all 10 million Linux users ;-).

Why should non-Linux Unix give a rats ass what the level of education the
average Linux user has?

> And Glibc is far better for a non Linux system then Linux Libc5. 

I haven't noticed the difference.

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Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:23:03 -0400 (EDT)
"Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, David Gould wrote:
> > This of course is most useful if the remaining platforms adopt it too. 
> > Given current trends, I suspect this will happen. 
> 
> I suspect you're talking about 'remaining Linux distributions, on all
> platforms (Alpha,MIPS,Sparc,ix86 etc.)

	I'm suspecting the same thing...I follow the developers mailin
list for FreeBSD, and have yet to hear of *any* work towards adopting the
glibc "standard"...if someone wishes to point me at work being done for
anything *other* then Linux (ie. NetBSD? Solaris x86) towards adopting
this, I'd be interested...

> > And Glibc is far better for a non Linux system then Linux Libc5. 
> 
> I haven't noticed the difference.

	Other then that libc5 was stable, of course...?



Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:32 -0400 (EDT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
Hello!

On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Jose' Soares Da Silva wrote:
> ...but I don't think that an animal is a good image for PostgreSQL.

   Too. I think animal is not good for postgreSQL...

> Are ask yourself, what ppl see in their mind, when they read the word
> PostgreSQL ?

   I think PostgreSQL is a DataBASE system. Because of this, I think logo
should be something that is BASE. For example, bridge - big and strong
bridge full of pieces of data. Or full of trucks full of data.

Oleg.
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Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:34:39 +0400 (MSK DST)
Oleg Broytmann <phd@comus.ru>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS
1)  If you really want an animal then why not a DOG? the best friend of man ;-)

...but I don't think that an animal is a good image for PostgreSQL.

Are ask yourself, what ppl see in their mind, when they read the word
PostgreSQL ?

If you want to know what I see, I see an acronym or monogram of more than
one word (exactly 3 words; Post, Ingres and SQL).

2)  lets analyzing PostgreSQL...

The origin of POST should be Latin and it stands for after or beyond.
The root of INGRES should be the Latin word INGRESSIO that stands for entrance
The meaning of SQL... (you know that)

Well  POST INGRESSIONE (beyond entrance) SQL

What's there beyond entrance ?  Information, data, knowledge, etc.

I have recently see a home page with an splendid door with a legend that
said: "click here to enter".

In our case we can have a library beyond the entrance with information and
knowledge, and users can access to this marvelous world using POST INGRESSIONE.

3)  An alternative should be the word:

Postgr(ADUATE) = PostgreSQL
     In British English a postgraduate is a student with a first degree
     from a university who is doing research at a more advanced level.
Do we want graduate PostgreSQL... well maybe a laurel crown should represent
it.
                                                        Comments ?
			                                  Jose'



Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:21:13 +0000 (UTC)
"Jose' Soares Da Silva" <sferac@bo.nettuno.it>
Re: [HACKERS] NEW POSTGRESQL LOGOS