Folks,

If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on 
developer.postgresql.org updated.   Can everyone please take a gander at:
http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php

... and tell me what's out of date other than me & Vadim?   i.e.:

A) What contributors are missing from the list?
B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't contributed 
any code since 7.1.0?
C) Who needs their e-mail address updated?  
D) Who needs their description updated?  (Text, please ... I won't write it)

-- 
-Josh Berkus
 Aglio Database Solutions
 San Francisco


Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:48:48 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Changes to Contributor List
Tom,

> I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> Emeritus" or some such.  Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> get listed that way, at least.

Yeah, I was thinking of moving them from "Major Contributors" to just 
"Contributors".   We'd rather have a "Past Contributors"?

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 Aglio Database Solutions
 San Francisco


Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:16:48 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
> contributed any code since 7.1.0?

I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
Emeritus" or some such.  Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
get listed that way, at least.

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:16:51 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List 
Tom Lane wrote:
> Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> > B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
> > contributed any code since 7.1.0?
> 
> I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> Emeritus" or some such.  Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> get listed that way, at least.

Yes, I think we are going to use that Emeritus list only for special
contributors who aren't involved any more.  I think Brian ??? would be a
good addition too.  He was around during 1.X and 6.X. Marc?  Remember?

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Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:25:23 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
Josh Berkus wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on 
> developer.postgresql.org updated.   Can everyone please take a gander at:
> http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php
> 
> ... and tell me what's out of date other than me & Vadim?   i.e.:
> 
> A) What contributors are missing from the list?
> B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't contributed 
> any code since 7.1.0?
> C) Who needs their e-mail address updated?  
> D) Who needs their description updated?  (Text, please ... I won't write it)
> 

Jan Wieck in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, (JanWieck@Yahoo.com,
<a href="http://www.afilias.info">Afilias USA INC.</a>)

overhauled the query rewrite rule system, wrote our procedural languages
PL/pgSQL and PL/Tcl and many other complex features like TOAST.


Jan

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Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:26:15 -0500
Jan Wieck <JanWieck@Yahoo.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
Tom Lane wrote:
> Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> > B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
> > contributed any code since 7.1.0?
> 
> I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> Emeritus" or some such.  Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> get listed that way, at least.


I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.

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Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:26:29 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
Guys,

Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers?   It's about 4 
years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in 
January.

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 Aglio Database Solutions
 San Francisco


Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:27:07 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
emeritus is a perfectly good latin word.  No need to
dumb things down.

--elein

On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:26:29PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> > > B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
> > > contributed any code since 7.1.0?
> > 
> > I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> > deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> > Emeritus" or some such.  Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> > get listed that way, at least.
> 
> 
> I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
> speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
> 
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Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:35:12 -0800
elein <elein@varlena.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers?   It's about 4 
> years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in 
> January.

Agreed.  I think Jan is the only one who knows how to updated it.  Jan?

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Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:36:05 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
Tom,

> Yeah.  It was cute when we did it but it's overkill as a way of pointing
> out that we have a worldwide development community.  We can just say
> that...

I'll be happy to re-do it someday using OOo's imagemapper.   But not this week 
...

-- 
-Josh Berkus
 Aglio Database Solutions
 San Francisco


Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:39:48 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> Josh Berkus wrote:
>> Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers?   It's about 4 
>> years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
>> January.

> Agreed.

Yeah.  It was cute when we did it but it's overkill as a way of pointing
out that we have a worldwide development community.  We can just say
that...

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:40:09 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List 
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers?   It's about 4 
> years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in 
> January.

Personally, I don't really see the need for developer.postgresql.org
to be a separate sub-site. Since it is basically just a collection of
links to other resources (CVSweb, TODO list, devel docs build, etc.),
why not just make it a page or two on www.postgresql.org?

-Neil


Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:44:24 -0500
Neil Conway <neilc@samurai.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
Josh Berkus writes:

> If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on
> developer.postgresql.org updated.   Can everyone please take a gander at:
> http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php

One thing that really puzzles me is this web page:

http://advocacy.postgresql.org/about/

This is sort of the same web page that we're talking about here, but it
lists the developers below the press contacts as also-rans.  What's worse,
this is the web page that people will get to if they go to if they go to
http://www.postgresql.org and click on the first link they see: "What
is...".  Don't get me wrong, press contacts and advocacy team deserve
recognition as well, but not on a page that is indirectly labelled "What
is PostgreSQL".  It makes it look like the project is run by marketing
dudes.

-- 
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Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:10:37 +0100 (CET)
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
Neil Conway writes:

> Personally, I don't really see the need for developer.postgresql.org
> to be a separate sub-site. Since it is basically just a collection of
> links to other resources (CVSweb, TODO list, devel docs build, etc.),
> why not just make it a page or two on www.postgresql.org?

I agree to that.  The best way to get people involved is if we have an
integrated presentation of the project.  That is, users, developers,
marketing, documentation, web mastering, translation, whatever.  Right
now, the developers sit in their own corner, and users think, "These
people can't even be bothered to present relevant information in the main
web site; they don't want me."  The marketing people sit in another
corner, and apparently their marketing strategy is "make the marketing
site look as much unlike anything else in the project as possible".  And,
well, all the other people don't sit anywhere, because the main site
understands itself as a portal, and there is no obvious way that other
groups can integrate.

Check out www.debian.org or www.freebsd.org to see what I mean.
Everything is there at one glance, everything looks the same, everyone is
invited everywhere.

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Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:18:40 +0100 (CET)
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List


Bruce Momjian wrote:

>Tom Lane wrote:
>  
>
>>Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
>>    
>>
>>>B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
>>>contributed any code since 7.1.0?
>>>      
>>>
>>I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
>>deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
>>Emeritus" or some such.  Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
>>get listed that way, at least.
>>    
>>
>
>
>I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
>speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
>  
>

Rupert Murdoch once sacked an editor (over the Hitler Diaries forgery 
fiasco) by giving him the title of "Editor Emeritus". The editor asked 
what it meant and Murdoch is reported to have replied "It's Latin, 
Frank. The 'e' means you're out and the 'meritus' means you deserve it."

:-)

cheers

andrew


Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:24:36 -0500
Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: [pgsql-www] Changes to Contributor List
Josh Berkus wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on 
> developer.postgresql.org updated.   Can everyone please take a gander at:
> http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php
> 
> ... and tell me what's out of date other than me & Vadim?   i.e.:
> 
> A) What contributors are missing from the list?
> B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't contributed 
> any code since 7.1.0?
> C) Who needs their e-mail address updated?  
> D) Who needs their description updated?  (Text, please ... I won't write it)

Who is eligible to be a "contributor" ?
Who wrote a single line of code that now is inside Postgres?
Who discovered a "major" bug ?
Who partecipate actively to all discussions ?

Regards
Gaetano Mendola




Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:53:15 +0100
Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com>
Re: Changes to Contributor List
>>I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
>>deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
>>Emeritus" or some such.  Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
>>get listed that way, at least.
> 
> I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
> speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.

Isn't that an even better reason to use it? :)

Chris



Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:03:42 +0800
Christopher Kings-Lynne <chriskl@familyhealth.com.au>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List


>> I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
>> speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
> 
> 
> Isn't that an even better reason to use it? :)

My personal opinion would be that they can use dictionary.com if they 
don't know what it means.



> 
> Chris
> 
> 
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Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:56:25 -0800
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
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Josh,

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote:

> Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers?   It's about 4 
> years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in 
> January.

I'm working on a new developer site. I've posted to -www & -core about 
this some months ago. I've asked -core list to write theis opinions about 
this, but noone replied me.

As we've talked a bit on -www, I will be using the same schema that 
PostgreSQL.org uses; with slightly different colors. I wanted to finish it 
before the release of v7.4. I'm very overloaded nowadays; so I hope to 
finish it in a month.

So, could we please talk about developers site on a new thread? As I've 
said before, I believe that developer.PostgreSQL.org seems so bad for us.

Regards,
- -- 
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Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:23:24 +0200 (EET)
Devrim GUNDUZ <devrim@gunduz.org>
New developer site (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Changes to
 Contributor List)
Emeritus is verbatin from Latin and is really very spread into most Western
languages.

--
Paulo Scardine

>
> I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
> speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.


Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:00:45 -0200
"Paulo Scardine" <paulos@cimed.ind.br>
Re: [pgsql-www] Changes to Contributor List
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 01:23, Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> Josh,
> 
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote:
> 
> > Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers?   It's about 4 
> > years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in 
> > January.
> 
> I'm working on a new developer site. I've posted to -www & -core about 
> this some months ago. I've asked -core list to write theis opinions about 
> this, but noone replied me.
> 
> As we've talked a bit on -www, I will be using the same schema that 
> PostgreSQL.org uses; with slightly different colors. I wanted to finish it 
> before the release of v7.4. I'm very overloaded nowadays; so I hope to 
> finish it in a month.
> 
> So, could we please talk about developers site on a new thread? As I've 
> said before, I believe that developer.PostgreSQL.org seems so bad for us.
> 

Well, maybe instead of looking at how to redesign the
developer.postgresql.org website, we should break down each part of the
developers website and find a place for it in the main site. 

Robert Treat
-- 
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL


06 Nov 2003 09:28:19 -0500
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: New developer site (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Changes to
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> >>I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> >>deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> >>Emeritus" or some such.  Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> >>get listed that way, at least.
> > 
> > I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
> > speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
> 
> Isn't that an even better reason to use it? :)

That reminds me of this:

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Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:50:57 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List