Tom,

> The main downside of testing a snapshot, as I see it, is that the
> snapshot is virtually certain not to be initdb-compatible with either
> the previous release or the upcoming one.  Mini-releases would have
> that problem too, and so I don't really see what they add in terms of
> testability.

The main purpose of mini-releases would be to make testing more accessable to 
newbies who find anon-CVS intimidating.    

However, there's no point in worrying about lowering the barriers of entry 
unless we have a program and a coordinator to make some kind of real use of 
these newbies' feedback.  

Anybody wanna volunteer to be 7.5 testing coordinator?  

-- 
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Wed, 19 May 2004 09:55:03 -0700
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Call for 7.5 feature completion
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> The main purpose of mini-releases would be to make testing more
> accessable to newbies who find anon-CVS intimidating.

Who said anything about anon-CVS?  There are the nightly snapshots
for those who want a tarball.

			regards, tom lane

Wed, 19 May 2004 13:25:45 -0400
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Call for 7.5 feature completion 
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 12:55, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> > The main downside of testing a snapshot, as I see it, is that the
> > snapshot is virtually certain not to be initdb-compatible with either
> > the previous release or the upcoming one.  Mini-releases would have
> > that problem too, and so I don't really see what they add in terms of
> > testability.
> 
> The main purpose of mini-releases would be to make testing more accessable to 
> newbies who find anon-CVS intimidating.    
> 

FWIW we already do nightly tarballs that people can use to build from if
they want...

What might be handy is an alpha build of the win32 version once the
folks developing it feel it's stable enough to merit such a thing...

Course as Bruce mentioned in a post somewhere 'round here, testing is
not the real deficiency here, people who can help code is. 


Robert Treat
-- 
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL


19 May 2004 13:42:42 -0400
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: Call for 7.5 feature completion
Robert Treat wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 12:55, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Tom,
> > 
> > > The main downside of testing a snapshot, as I see it, is that the
> > > snapshot is virtually certain not to be initdb-compatible with either
> > > the previous release or the upcoming one.  Mini-releases would have
> > > that problem too, and so I don't really see what they add in terms of
> > > testability.
> > 
> > The main purpose of mini-releases would be to make testing more accessable to 
> > newbies who find anon-CVS intimidating.    
> > 
> 
> FWIW we already do nightly tarballs that people can use to build from if
> they want...
> 
> What might be handy is an alpha build of the win32 version once the
> folks developing it feel it's stable enough to merit such a thing...

The Win32 project page already has nightly Win32 builds courtesy of
Magnus.

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Wed, 19 May 2004 14:02:23 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: Call for 7.5 feature completion
Tom,

> > The main purpose of mini-releases would be to make testing more
> > accessable to newbies who find anon-CVS intimidating.
> 
> Who said anything about anon-CVS?  There are the nightly snapshots
> for those who want a tarball.

Really?   Where are they?     I'd like to be able to refer people.
 
-- 
-Josh Berkus
 Aglio Database Solutions
 San Francisco


Wed, 19 May 2004 11:41:28 -0700
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Call for 7.5 feature completion
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> > > The main purpose of mini-releases would be to make testing more
> > > accessable to newbies who find anon-CVS intimidating.
> > 
> > Who said anything about anon-CVS?  There are the nightly snapshots
> > for those who want a tarball.
> 
> Really?   Where are they?     I'd like to be able to refer people.

On the ftp server under /dev.

-- 
  Bruce Momjian                        |  http://candle.pha.pa.us
  pgman@candle.pha.pa.us               |  (610) 359-1001
  +  If your life is a hard drive,     |  13 Roberts Road
  +  Christ can be your backup.        |  Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073

Wed, 19 May 2004 14:49:55 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: Call for 7.5 feature completion
On Wed, 19 May 2004, Josh Berkus wrote:

> Tom,
>
> > The main downside of testing a snapshot, as I see it, is that the
> > snapshot is virtually certain not to be initdb-compatible with either
> > the previous release or the upcoming one.  Mini-releases would have
> > that problem too, and so I don't really see what they add in terms of
> > testability.
>
> The main purpose of mini-releases would be to make testing more accessable to
> newbies who find anon-CVS intimidating.

what is wrong with the nightly snapshots that are created?

----
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Email: scrappy@hub.org           Yahoo!: yscrappy              ICQ: 7615664

Wed, 19 May 2004 21:49:07 -0300 (ADT)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org>
Re: Call for 7.5 feature completion
On Wed, 19 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> The Win32 project page already has nightly Win32 builds courtesy of
> Magnus.

Do you want to setup an scp into the main ftp site so that the mirrors
catch them as well?  Might make it easier for ppl to get ahold of it ...

----
Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: scrappy@hub.org           Yahoo!: yscrappy              ICQ: 7615664

Wed, 19 May 2004 21:51:09 -0300 (ADT)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org>
Re: Call for 7.5 feature completion
Marc,

> what is wrong with the nightly snapshots that are created?

Nothing.   I was just clueless that this was set up.

So, the 2nd step is to find a likely victi^H^H^H^Holunteer to coordinate 
platform/feature testing among our large population of mailing list users.   
Easier said than done ...

-- 
-Josh Berkus
 Aglio Database Solutions
 San Francisco


Thu, 20 May 2004 11:19:19 -0700
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Call for 7.5 feature completion