
Please note that Advocacy is what http://www.pgsql.com is being formed
around...offering Commercial Support is just one aspect of it...

On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Daniel Lundin wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Hannu Krosing wrote:
> > I think you should try to produce a high-contrast image, that then 
> > someone with artistic amitions could draw clean. 
> > 
> > Though more likely a good clear image could be produced by just 
> > hand-drawing the thing from the definition.
> > 
> > ----------------------
> > Hannu
> 
> I posted some time ago a first quick draft of a high contrast, hand drawn,
> stylized elephant. It doesn't have the diamond in the image as of writing,
> but of course that's easily fixed.
> 
>   http://test1.umc.se/
> 
> The web design used was also a quick draft done real quick. I abandonded
> the idea when I saw Dmitry Samersoff's proposal, which I felt was very
> well done.
> 
> The PostgreSQL logo design and website should be redone and done in a
> professional way before the release of 6.5. From my perspective alone, my
> clients don't take PostgreSQL seriously when I direct them to the webpages
> for reference, and that is highly unwanted. 
> 
> Regarding this, and the adovacy issue,
> I have some thoughts on the subject:
> 
> My wish is to set up an postgresql-adovacy group responsible for exposure
> issues, publishing comparisons and benchmarks, web design and document
> consistency (not the documentation itself but rather making sure it's well
> written and consistent to the end user/developer).
> Writing papers on the philosophy around the database, the movement and the
> use of postgresql in different applications.
> Banners, web buttons and merchandise also falls under the responsibility
> of postgresql-advocacy.
> this is not a trivial part of succesful software, and it _definitely_
> shouldn't be ignored (as seems somewhat the case now at times).
> 
> As it is now, everyone I've actually _personally_ showed postgresql have
> been amazed what it can do (the extensibility chord is a good one), but
> not a SINGLE ONE knew anything about its features or sometimes even that
> it existed before demonstrated before them.
> And these are MySQL/Oracle/Sybase/Informix/FooDBMS users who after all
> in varying degree are in the trade. 
> 
> This is what I'd like to work on changing. 
> 
> Any comments/thoughts on this?
> 
> /Daniel
> 
> _________________________________________________________________  /\__ 
>                                                                  \/     
>   Daniel Lundin 
>   MediaCenter, UNIX and BeOS Developer 
> 
>   "Blessed is the mind not capable of doubt" 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:52:33 -0300 (ADT)
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL Webpage -> PGSQL Advocacy
> The web design used was also a quick draft done real quick. I abandonded
> the idea when I saw Dmitry Samersoff's proposal, which I felt was very
> well done.

Perhaps we can have the nice graphic elephant for our main page, and a
drawn elephant for small logos if the graphic elephant does not look
good in small sizes.

> Regarding this, and the adovacy issue,
> I have some thoughts on the subject:
> 
> My wish is to set up an postgresql-adovacy group responsible for exposure
> issues, publishing comparisons and benchmarks, web design and document
> consistency (not the documentation itself but rather making sure it's well
> written and consistent to the end user/developer).
> Writing papers on the philosophy around the database, the movement and the
> use of postgresql in different applications.
> Banners, web buttons and merchandise also falls under the responsibility
> of postgresql-advocacy.
> this is not a trivial part of succesful software, and it _definitely_
> shouldn't be ignored (as seems somewhat the case now at times).

Good idea.  Yes we certainly need this.


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Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:41:03 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL Webpage -> PGSQL Advocacy