Josh, Hans, et. al.

Please take this thread OFF LIST IMMEDIATELY.

Its content is no longer appropriate for the Hackers mailing list, and we get 
enough traffic.  Flamewars are not a part of our community.

-- 
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:13:16 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Commercial binary support?
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Josh, Hans, et. al.
> 
> Please take this thread OFF LIST IMMEDIATELY.
> 
> Its content is no longer appropriate for the Hackers mailing list, and we get 
> enough traffic.  Flamewars are not a part of our community.

[ Moved to advocacy.]

Let me try to get this discussion on the right track.  Joshua Drake is
saying some companies want a commercial version of PostgreSQL so they
have someone to support it, while Hans is saying that makes it sound
like Command Prompt is the only one supporting PostgreSQL.

Hans, I don't see Josh Drake saying that having a commercial release of
PostgreSQL is _required_ for a company to support PostgreSQL.  In fact,
he supports source installs of PostgreSQL too.  He is only saying that
some people prefer a commercial version of PostgreSQL because they
_think_ they will get better support.  I know that might not make sense,
but open source is new to lots of people so maybe it makes them more
comfortable.  In fact, if you go into a site and install PostgreSQL,
they might think you are installing _your_ version of PostgreSQL, while
in fact is it the source version of PostgreSQL.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:36:50 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Commercial binary support?
Hans, Josh,

> 
> Please take this thread OFF LIST IMMEDIATELY.
> 

Sorry.  Not enough coffee this AM -- should know better than to send e-mail 
when I'm short beans.

Overreacted a bit, there.    Apologies.

-- 
-Josh Berkus
 Aglio Database Solutions
 San Francisco


Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:48:27 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Commercial binary support?
Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Josh Berkus wrote:
>> Josh, Hans, et. al.
>> 
>> Please take this thread OFF LIST IMMEDIATELY.
>> 
>> Its content is no longer appropriate for the Hackers mailing list, and we get 
>> enough traffic.  Flamewars are not a part of our community.
> 
> [ Moved to advocacy.]
> 
> Let me try to get this discussion on the right track.  Joshua Drake is
> saying some companies want a commercial version of PostgreSQL so they
> have someone to support it, while Hans is saying that makes it sound
> like Command Prompt is the only one supporting PostgreSQL.
> 
> Hans, I don't see Josh Drake saying that having a commercial release of
> PostgreSQL is _required_ for a company to support PostgreSQL.  In fact,
> he supports source installs of PostgreSQL too.  He is only saying that
> some people prefer a commercial version of PostgreSQL because they
> _think_ they will get better support.  I know that might not make sense,
> but open source is new to lots of people so maybe it makes them more
> comfortable.  In fact, if you go into a site and install PostgreSQL,
> they might think you are installing _your_ version of PostgreSQL, while
> in fact is it the source version of PostgreSQL.
> 

I think you missed the "liability" part of Joshua Drake's mail.

Using a binary installation provided by the company you have a support 
contract with leaves much less room for discussions about "what is 
supported". What "product liability" is someone talking about if he 
never bought any product?


Jan

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Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:58:08 -0500
Jan Wieck <JanWieck@Yahoo.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Commercial binary support?
Jan Wieck wrote:
> I think you missed the "liability" part of Joshua Drake's mail.
> 
> Using a binary installation provided by the company you have a support 
> contract with leaves much less room for discussions about "what is 
> supported". What "product liability" is someone talking about if he 
> never bought any product?

Hey buys suport for "libability".  Sure, he didn't buy a product, but
you can buy a product without support too, or buy support for something
that isn't a purchased product (home heater service contract).

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  Bruce Momjian                        |  http://candle.pha.pa.us
  pgman@candle.pha.pa.us               |  (610) 359-1001
  +  If your life is a hard drive,     |  13 Roberts Road
  +  Christ can be your backup.        |  Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073

Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:04:14 -0500 (EST)
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Commercial binary support?