

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Lamb [mailto:slamb@slamb.org] 
> Sent: 05 December 2002 06:37
> To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
> 
> I'm volunteering to do work here. I could at the very least 
> go through 
> the sites and make a longer list of things like this that I 
> notice. If 
> they are public CVS somewhere, I can send patches. I saw that 
> there's a 
> <http://wwwdevel.postgresql.org/>. What's going on with that? 
> Is there 
> anything I can do to speed up its adoption? How will it 
> affect the rest 
> of the sites?

That will be going live RSN as the first part of a re-org.

> Is this list the appropriate place to discuss the websites? 
> or should I 
> take it to -advocacy? My impression here is that the two sites are 
> maintained separately and the people involved haven't interacted very 
> much. Is that accurate or no?

There are 2 groups of people -advocacy and the web developers. I have
suggested to Marc that we need liason between the 2 groups, and better
definition of who does what. FYI, -advocacy is an open list (afaik) and
www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the work
on the sites. There is a little overlap.

Regards, Dave.

Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:28:29 -0000
"Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
> www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the work
> on the sites. 

This is one of the primary reasons the sites are so fractured. We have 4
different mailing lists for website development (and I'm not counting
advocacy as one of those) and the folks maintaining those lists seem to
be against letting anyone into their fiefdoms.  

Robert Treat 



05 Dec 2002 09:49:35 -0500
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
On 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:

> On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
> > www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the work
> > on the sites.
>
> This is one of the primary reasons the sites are so fractured. We have 4
> different mailing lists for website development (and I'm not counting
> advocacy as one of those) and the folks maintaining those lists seem to
> be against letting anyone into their fiefdoms.

Well we told you a few times which list you were supposed to subscribe
to but over and over again you didn't.  I just finished approving your
subscription to the list we've been telling you to join.

Vince.
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Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:10:00 -0500 (EST)
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
On Saturday 07 December 2002 11:10 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
> > On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
> > > www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the
> > > work on the sites.
> >
> > This is one of the primary reasons the sites are so fractured. We have 4
> > different mailing lists for website development (and I'm not counting
> > advocacy as one of those) and the folks maintaining those lists seem to
> > be against letting anyone into their fiefdoms.
>
> Well we told you a few times which list you were supposed to subscribe
> to but over and over again you didn't.  I just finished approving your
> subscription to the list we've been telling you to join.
>

And I have multiple "subscription denied"  emails from lists I've tried to 
join.  In fact I was just rejected again from joining pgsql-www.  Given that 
I'm one of the few people who have actually donated content and/or code to 
techdocs, advocacy, and the new portal site; not to mention I already have 
shell access for the backend servers; also not to mention my helping out with 
the sourceforge PostgreSQL project page; and finally not to mention  my solid 
open source background which includes coding for the phpPgAdmin project and 
work as a php foundry administrator for sourceforge, among other projects; I 
have to ask what the hell could be so secretive and important about that list 
that people would complain about lack of communication and yet I can't be 
allowed access to that group?!?

Robert Treat

Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:29:57 -0500
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:

> On Saturday 07 December 2002 11:10 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > On 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
> > > > www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the
> > > > work on the sites.
> > >
> > > This is one of the primary reasons the sites are so fractured. We have 4
> > > different mailing lists for website development (and I'm not counting
> > > advocacy as one of those) and the folks maintaining those lists seem to
> > > be against letting anyone into their fiefdoms.
> >
> > Well we told you a few times which list you were supposed to subscribe
> > to but over and over again you didn't.  I just finished approving your
> > subscription to the list we've been telling you to join.
> >
>
> And I have multiple "subscription denied"  emails from lists I've tried to
> join.  In fact I was just rejected again from joining pgsql-www.  Given that
> I'm one of the few people who have actually donated content and/or code to
> techdocs, advocacy, and the new portal site; not to mention I already have
> shell access for the backend servers; also not to mention my helping out with
> the sourceforge PostgreSQL project page; and finally not to mention  my solid
> open source background which includes coding for the phpPgAdmin project and
> work as a php foundry administrator for sourceforge, among other projects; I
> have to ask what the hell could be so secretive and important about that list
> that people would complain about lack of communication and yet I can't be
> allowed access to that group?!?

Exactly, and pgsql-www is the wrong goddam list!  I've told you over
and over again.  pgsql-www is the list that the group leaders use to
collaborate.  Over and over again we told you to join pgsql-www-main,
which is an invitation only list for development of the soon to be
released portal.

I'm the one that approves or denies the subscriptions to BOTH of those
lists and the first time I denied you I sent you a note telling you
not only why I denied it, but which list you were SUPPOSED to join.

Vince.
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Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:32:42 -0500 (EST)
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
On Sunday 08 December 2002 11:32 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> Exactly, and pgsql-www is the wrong goddam list!  I've told you over
> and over again.  pgsql-www is the list that the group leaders use to
> collaborate.  

And a fine job of collaboration you're doing *obviously*

> Over and over again we told you to join pgsql-www-main,
> which is an invitation only list for development of the soon to be
> released portal.
>
> I'm the one that approves or denies the subscriptions to BOTH of those
> lists and the first time I denied you I sent you a note telling you
> not only why I denied it, but which list you were SUPPOSED to join.
>

fiefdoms!!

Robert Treat




Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:38:25 -0500
Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group

s'alright, the 'fiefdoms' are about to be nuked :)

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:

> On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
> > www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the work
> > on the sites.
>
> This is one of the primary reasons the sites are so fractured. We have 4
> different mailing lists for website development (and I'm not counting
> advocacy as one of those) and the folks maintaining those lists seem to
> be against letting anyone into their fiefdoms.
>
> Robert Treat
>
>
>
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Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:22:28 -0400 (AST)
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group