In her rebuttal, she painted a radically-different portrait of Kammerer, with whom she stated that she had been particularly close, and his relationship with Carr. Far from Kammerer having been the fringe figure within the Beat movement of the time as often depicted, she asserted that he had been a guiding light within the literary circle with many taking inspiration from his informal lectures, particularly Kerouac, whom she accused of ingratitude for never acknowledging his debt to Kammerer. She rebutted what she termed "the Lucien myth," that Carr was the victim of Kammerer's relentless obsession and stalking. On the contrary, she stated that it was Kammerer who wanted to be rid of Carr, whom he referred to as "that little bastard." On one occasion, she wrote, she accompanied Carr to Kammerer's apartment, where Kammerer was hostile toward Carr and insisted that he had told Carr never to come around again. The resulting altercation culminated with Kammerer assaulting Carr with his fists and knocking him to the floor. Within her rebuttal letter, Healy hinted that Carr had frequently sought Kammerer's help in writing his Columbia term papers.