Hermann Bär and those who follow him, though, have something working against them: First, it is unclear whether in the document in question it actually says "milites in Leien", as it might rather be a question of an abbreviation mark over one of the I's, which would yield "milites in Leheim" instead. Thus it is with a later remark on the back of the document. Therefore, it has not been determined what rights the document was dealing with at all. Whatever the truth, the Lords of Winterau had already ceded the "Vogtei" rights that they had held over nine and a half "Hufen" of the "Sandhof" to the monks of Eberbach in 1209. Above all, though, Herdegen III of Winterauis named as a witness in documents issued in 1242 and 1255.