Sometimes Harvey loses sight of the fact that this was my business, that I was publishing these magazines, that one of my magazines was "Mad", that I had a lot of other magazines making more or less profits, some of them none, and what's so immoral about me putting out another magazine imitating my own magazine? You see Harvey could never realize that "Mad" was mine; he thought it was his. "That was the basic problem. To me "Mad" was one of the EC Comics. If we put out "The Vault of Horror" and it's successful, what's wrong with putting out "Tales From the Crypt"? If we put out "Mad" and it's successful, what's wrong with putting out — all the time we put out "Panic", Harvey felt we were competing with him, and I used to say, "Harvey, we're not competing with you, we're all one company. "[Laughter." The money comes from everywhere and it goes into a pot and from this pot we publish." Why am I competing?