Éric Zemmour declared on Arte on 13 November 2008, while he was on the show "Paris/Berlin: the debate " hosted by Isabelle Giordano that blacks and whites belonged to two different races and that this difference was discernible by skin color, without ranking them hierarchically. He asserted that Melanesians and Antilleans belonged to the same race. "If there is no such thing as race, there is no such thing as intermixing." He continued, "The sacralization of race during the Nazi period and earlier has been followed by the negation of race. And to me, they're both equally ridiculous."