And it was something that Harvey could never understand. He felt it was separate. The fact that 30 to 70 other people were imitating "Mad", Martin Goodman had half a dozen, there were 70 titles I understand, my printer once counted them up, because he used to keep a list of all the comics published and he told me there were 70. I think he was wrong, but there were certainly 30, 40, or 50 imitations of "Mad". You know, "Eek, Ecch, Oook, Turn Blue" was Shelly Mayer's, I can't even remember them all, "Crazy", "Cracked", "Nutty", "Silly", "Woppy", "Daffy", we got all these imitations of "Mad", that's OK, but if I put out "Panic" it's immoral "".