Even before 1642, this radicalism concerned men like Denzil Holles, conservatives who believed in a limited electorate and a Presbyterian church similar to the Church of Scotland. As the war progressed, both they and their colleagues in Scotland came to see the Independents as more dangerous than the Royalists; an alliance between these groups led to the Second English Civil War in 1648. Lastly, England in 1642 was a structured, socially conservative and peaceful society, while the example of the Thirty Years War meant many wanted to avoid conflict at any cost. Choice of sides was often driven by personal relationships or loyalties, and in the early stages there were numerous examples of armed neutrality, or local truces, designed to force the two sides to negotiate.