"Arete" has also been used by Plato when talking about athletic training and also the education of young boys. Stephen G. Miller delves into this usage in his book "Ancient Greek Athletics". Aristotle is quoted as deliberating between education towards "arete" "...or those that are theoretical". Educating towards "arete" in this sense means that the boy would be educated towards things that are useful in life. However, even Plato himself says that "arete" is not something that can be agreed upon. He says, "Nor is there even an agreement about what constitutes "arete", something that leads logically to a disagreement about the appropriate training for "arete"." To say that "arete" has a common definition of excellence or fulfillment may be an overstatement simply because it was very difficult to pinpoint "arete", much less the proper ways to go about obtaining it.