Grundy said "I am told... that that group... have received £40,000 from record company... Doesn't that seem, uh, to be slightly opposed to your anti-materialistic view of life?" The response to this goad were two comments: One was an indecipherable syllable (or two) from one band member, while Matlock responded with "No, the more the merrier." When Grundy asked the band to explain further, what followed would be the first example of profanity during the interview, when Steve Jones quipped: "We fuckin' spent it ain't we?" Grundy did not comment on the profanity but responded "I don't know, have you?” Matlock confirmed that the money had all gone "down the boozer," as it was expressed by Jones. Grundy then asked the band "are you serious?" in reference to their music, comparing them to musicians such as Beethoven, Mozart, Bach and Brahms. Johnny Rotten (John Lydon) sarcastically replied "They're all heroes of ours, ain't they?". When Grundy inquired further, Lydon went on, stating "Oh yes, they’re wonderful people, they really turn us on!" Grundy responded with, "What if they turn other people on?" to which Lydon dismissively remarked, "That's just their tough shit!" When challenged by Grundy, Lydon said, "Nothing, rude word! Next question." asking Grundy to go on with the interview. Grundy insisted that Lydon repeat what he had said. When Lydon did so, "shit", Grundy tauntingly retorted, "Good heavens, you frighten me to death," to which Lydon called him "Siegfried" as Matlock muttered that Grundy was "like dad... or [a granddad."