The second recorded person that shows no relation yet with aforementioned Johann is Engelbert vame Scheyde genannt Wispennynck, born in 1402 in Scheid, who married Barbara Elisa von Mirbach at house Buergel in 1434. In 1438 he was mentioned as Vogt and Schult-eis of the city of Much. Duke Gerhard von Jülich-Berg gave him the rights of the properties in the Kirchspiel area of Ruppichteroth, including the Schoenenberg chapel in 1442. After his participation in the Hubertus-war on 3 November 1444 he was honoured with the order of Hubertus. He died in 1469.