Whether the club is second or third oldest in the world depends upon whether an organisation described as the Flotilla of the Neva, St Petersburg, Russia, is a Yacht Club by modern or historical standards. It has been claimed that the Flotilla was established in 1718. However, there is little presence of the club on the World Wide Web, and one visitor in September 2005 described it as "not quite a yacht club". Although all old yacht clubs could be described thus at some point during their histories, not for their entire duration.