The opposing side of this "War of the Romantics", a group of radical progressives in music (most of them from Weimar) led by Liszt and Richard Wagner, desired to not live under the shadow of Beethoven, but to transcend the old forms and ideas of what music had been and instead create what music "should" be for the future. The Weimar school promoted the idea of "program music", while both the Schumanns and Brahms of the Leipzig/Berlin school were strict in their stance that music must and can only be "absolute music", a term derisively coined by Wagner.