Moses I. Finley, in "The World of Odysseus" presents a picture of the society represented by the "Iliad" and the "Odyssey", avoids the question as "beside the point that the narrative is a collection of fictions from beginning to end" Finley was in a minority when his "World of Odysseus" first appeared in 1954. With the understanding that war was the normal state of affairs, Finley observed that a ten-year war was out of the question, indicating Nestor's recall of a cattle-raid in Elis as a norm, and identifying the scene in which Helen points out to Priam the Achaean leaders in the battlefield, as "an illustration of the way in which one traditional piece of the story was retained after the war had ballooned into ten years and the piece had become rationally incongruous."