"They were honest mistakes based on us not knowing anything. Our manager at the time was our age and just a friend. Our A&R guy was on his first job. We never had anyone in our camp sit us down and say, “This is what you’re doing and this is why it could be a problem.” Nobody ever told us anything like that. We learned it the hard way. I should write a book on how to sabotage your career. We changed the name of the band, we did pop records, we did metal records… we did it all. It was a great education and I don’t really regret any of it. If you are asking why it didn’t work I have to tell you that I am surprised that it worked as well as it did. It was self-sabotage almost every step of the way from a career choice. We were never on the cutting edge; we were always outside looking in. Since that was the case, we always just thought that we could just make the records that we wanted to make and be happy and like the music that we are doing. That is what we did, but I can look back at it and see that many strange things went on and we made many mistakes that were defeatist to us having a career. We changed our name to Rubber at one point and that was totally a very bizarre thing. Towards the end, we were probably going through the motions; we had not been a band for about five years."