Further, because of Chen Ziming's use of terms, "old frame" and "new frame", coupled with the modern Chen family usage of "Old Frame" and "New Frame" to describe the forms taught in the Chen Village by Chen Zhaopei and Chen Zhaokui, respectively, this has become a further source of confusion for modern students, writers, and even some historical scholars. Even today, some people confuse Chen Zhaopei’s forms called Old Frame (Laojia) by his students with Chen Wangting’s system, and Chen Fake's routines taught by his son, Chen Zhaokui, New Frame (Xinjia), with the small frame tradition and believe Chen Fake revealed the secret teaching of small frame tradition as well.