There are also cases where a distinct female form exists, but the basic (or "male") form does not intrinsically indicate a male (such as by including "man"), and can equally well be applied to any member of the profession, whether male or female or of unspecified sex. Examples include "actor" and "actress"; "usher" and "usherette"; "comedian" and "comedienne". In such cases, proponents of gender-neutral language generally advocate the non-use of the distinct female form (always using "comedian" rather than "comedienne", for example, even if the referent is known to be a woman).