During one of Fisk's interviews with Bin Laden, Fisk noted an attempt by Bin Laden to convert him. Bin Laden said; "Mr. Robert, one of our brothers had a dream ... that you were a spiritual person ... this means you are a true Muslim". Fisk replied; "Sheikh Osama, I am not a Muslim. ... I am a journalist task is to tell the truth". Bin Laden replied: "If you tell the truth, that means you are a good Muslim". During the 1996 interview, Bin Laden said the Saudi royal family was corrupt. During the final interview in 1997, Bin Laden said he sought God's help "to turn America into a shadow of itself".