Very early in their existence, there was a fourth member of the band, Peter Joyce, who was a cousin of the Moxham brothers. Joyce was a telephone engineer and skilled at electronics, who had made his own synthesiser from a kit. It made sounds similar to Eno's synths in the early Roxy Music and Kraftwerk, who employed similar 'low-tech/high-tech' electronics. The YMGs used tape recordings of Joyce's home-made drum machine since they did not wish to have a drummer. They were also interested in effects devices such as ring modulators and reverb units, with the emphasis always on simplicity.