Paul Sundberg, a veterinarian and vice president of the U.S. National Pork Board, a leading proponent of gestation crates, told "The Washington Post": "Farmers treat their animals well because that's just good business. The key to sow welfare isn't whether they are kept in individual crates or group housing, but whether the system used is well managed." Sundberg said: "tells us that she [a sow doesn't even seem to know that she can't turn ... She wants to eat and feel safe, and she can do that very well in individual stalls."