The loss of initial before a short rounded vowel has also been proposed as a common innovation, but with counterexamples such as Estonian "võtta-" "to take" (with preserved as its regular reflex due to the development > ) suggesting a date postdating not only the split between Finnic and Samic, but also of northern and southern Finnic (cf. Finnish "otta-"). (A complementary epenthesis of *w before initial "long" rounded vowels is accepted to not represent common inheritance, as it occurs also before long vowels resulting from the exclusively Samic development > . )