Overall, Catullus portrays Troy as a negative place calling it "ill-omened", "obscene", and "ill-fated". His negative description of Troy is not limited to his grief for his brother's death but extends to his allusions of the entire war. Theodorakopoulos explains, "In both poems 64 and 68 it is clear that Troy is an abomination, not the glory that contemporary Romans may have been seeking to gain from connection with it. Troy stands for the strangeness of death, for the remoteness of the world of the dead from that of the living."