don't fully remove them yet, just loosen them off enough that you're happy they're turning. thanks so much for all your wonderful support and encouragement. there's no way i could get her to even get her hair wet. i wish i could have my dog stay some minutes inside the car without causing a scene! i don’t know…it sounds dumb, but i don’t know how to better articulate this feeling. i read it for a third time in college and i again a few years ago. well, sam, you're definitely listening; thanks for that quick response. an elephant will lead him there!) 