now is him in black clothing. and did he always wear black? what was he like?
phillips: yes. he always wore black clothes, tight pants and, i mean, he's an easy target for kids to pick on. and maybe that's why they picked on him. he had a way he walked.
cooper: in what way was he an easy target?
phillips: just the way he walked, the way he talked, the clothes he wore, just a number of ways. he was just an easy target for kids to pick on and he never fought back about anything. he just kind of took the blows from the kids.
cooper: did you ever feel threatened by 