in any case, the pro-vaccine side always claims that they are, and have always been about the science, and the scientific method, and that to back their vaccine claims. we know what it takes get to the top, and stay there. it was more of a vision, really. being equally matched, they keep going until both of them lose their weapons. (and so much bigger, which i truly love.) including wine/beer and soft drinks. i guess its just about showing up. learn how to control your audience by being their friend. large rod rack holds 24 rods. this was kind of an unusual spot. 