they both have secrets that could destroy so much. start exercising when you want to shed weight. we thought the same about these two. in month went from size 8 gum pockets to 3-4. will definitely order again! make this a two-person job, or take regular breaks. i am grateful for the folks who can raise and harvest these critters for those of us who don’t have the stomach to do it ourselves. since you started, what changed the most? and for those of you who haven't registered, get to it! “listen up, the people down there! 