after you have built the final choices on how you want your den to search, the next thing you will need to do is locate a contractor to give you a bid on how much it will cost. but apparently this thread just exists two times. i also like to think that i can use the critical thinking that i used in this class the rest of my life! the black lines represent the 1:1 lines. thanks once again for all the details. "life is short, art is long!!" the other two parties made the kind of history one tries to avoid. 