i keep rinsing the rock after i scrub some till the rock gets to the clean i like. but enough of that for now. if it was, then more change programs would be successful. i also enjoy the occasional 50 mile'er at the weekend. now, since we got that out of the way this conversation will be easier to have. it was indeed time to change my eating habits before my eating habits changed me. a son who has the best of both worlds...and was told by his parents: get a job!! then once we have set-up the accounts the reporting is great. 