wow thanks for all the advice, i'm very grateful to hear this before i make another slow mistake, would have taken me weeks or months to find this out on my own. remove the roasting pan with water after 15 minutes. i especially love what she says about giving kids prior notice. they’re all pretty, but we like harmony the best. now, it’s possible you don’t really like your job or whatever activity you practice. it was an hour and 15 minutes away by train, but luckily i got there 30 minutes before the 9:00am start. am i ready to be an ice fellow? 