they're just too small for me i'm a size 34. these are 28. they stretch like no other though. use our payment plan to make a deposit and save your spot and then pay over time! i had the joy of meeting several hens, all of them with distinct personalities. on the other hand, since you seem resistant to learning, my advice may fall on deaf ears. one ad had only the product, one had the product with the model gazing directly at the reader and the third had the model gazing at the product. 