Roundel (heraldry) "pommes" is now more common. The term for a red roundel, "torteau", is typically pluralised in the French manner as "torteaux" rather than "torteaus", although "torteaus" is occasionally seen. A "pellet" may also be called an "ogress". In modern French blazonry, a roundel of either metal ("or" or "argent") is a "besant", and a roundel of any colour (dark tincture) is a "torteau", with the tincture specified. However, an alternate naming system has been used for the non-mental tinctures, with similar terms as English heraldry ("guse" for "gules", "heurte" for "azure", "ogoesse" for "sable", "somme", "volet" or "pomme" for "vert",
Hatching (heraldry) as the sable (black) tincture, and the colour and hatching of marten is identical with the gules (red) tincture. So, in some countries these tinctures are also held as furs (mainly in the Czech heraldic traditions, but not in real use, and sometimes also in the German heraldry, which is also not in real use today). Zibeline (in German "Zobelfell", in Czech "sobol", and in Hungarian "coboly") was already used in the ancient times of heraldry. Some minnesängers applied the word "Zobelfell" for the black tincture, and the arms of the count von Zollern also contained zibeline ("Zobelfell"). The colour