Bach cantata cantatas are assumed to date from this period: Bach worked in Weimar from 1708. He composed a secular cantata Was mir behagt, ist nur die muntre Jagd, BWV 208 in 1713. The composition of cantatas for the (court chapel) on a regular monthly basis started with his promotion to in March 1714. His goal was to compose a complete set of cantatas for the liturgical year within four years. Cantatas 54 and 199 were performed within the cycle but possibly composed earlier. Bach worked in Köthen from 1717 to 1723, where he composed for example the "Brandenburg concertos". He had
Piano concertos by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart of "fiddling" with all the themes, instead is left with the ritornellic impression: Mozart truly uses "art to conceal art". One further point of great importance is the interaction between piano and orchestra. In the earlier concertos, such as the not totally successful No. 13 in C major, and even more so, perforce, in the concertos for two and three pianos, the interaction between the two is limited, but the later concertos develop the subtle relations between them to a high degree; for example, in No. 16, K. 451. His later concertos are truly described as concertos for "piano and