Euchre to 9 are counted similarly by counting the number of suit symbols showing and adding them to the 5, if cards are crossed. In Canada and Michigan, it is common for each team to use two 5s of the same colour to keep score, making one team red and the other black. The 5s are usually referred to as counting cards in this situation. The explanation for why a visual score is kept is due to euchre traditionally being a game played late at night or by people who have been drinking, which is also shown by cheating and stealing
Skat (card game) tricks and players must agree whether a game lasts for a certain number of deals or until one player scores a certain number of game points. Scoring is similar to normal Skat. Skat in the United States and Canada was played for many years as an older version of the game, also known as "Tournee Skat", which shares most of its rules with its modern European counterpart with the addition of a few different games and an alternate system of scoring. "Tournee Skat" is declining in popularity. Most tournament Skat players in North America play the modern game described above.