Program music 1970s in particular experimented with program music, among which was Rush's "Jacob's Ladder" (1980), which shows clear influences of Smetana's "Má vlast" ("My Homeland") (1874-1879). In addition, Rush's songs "Xanadu", "Red Barchetta", and "YYZ" also show their experimentalism with program music, as do parts of "2112", particularly the discovery scene. Composers and some theorists argue that there is indeed no such thing as true "absolute ("ars gratia artis") music" and that music always at least conveys or evokes emotions. While non-professional listeners often claim that music has meaning (to them), "new" musicologists, such as Susan McClary (1999), argue that so-called
Ars Interpres Ostriker, Dennis Nurkse, Tomas Venclova, Mariela Griffor, John Kinsella, and Gunnar Harding. In addition "Ars Interpres" published translations of international poetry, new versions of classical poems, and translations of European and Russian poets of the past such as Giacomo Leopardi, Gerrit Achterberg, and Osip Mandelstam. The journal's staff organised the "Ars Interpres" annual poetry festival. Ars Interpres Ars Interpres was an online and in-print international literary journal, originating in Stockholm. It published primarily contemporary English language poetry and English translations of modern Scandinavian and European poetry, as well as articles on poetic translation and other related materials. "Ars Interpres" also