english: As I listened to it, I understood Arden Hodgins to be always referring to the place of the dead (both the place of torment and the compartment of paradise) as where the dead go now, as the place BEFORE the (First and Second) resurrection.
non_english: Nalika kita ketemu dheweke, aku iki ngandhut lan wis dilecehke ó ngiwa kanggo fend kanggo dhéwé lan duwe kittens dheweke ing werna.