ar: وتصادف أن جويل وأنا كنا قلقين من نفس الشيء، وهو أن جزء كبير من النقاش كان مركزا على العلوم ومدى كمالها في هذا المجال، والذي، كان في نظرنا، يبدو إلى حد ما محدود.
en: And it turned out that Joel and I were both bothered by the same thing, which was how so much of the debate was still focused on the science and how complete it was or wasn't, which, to both of us, seems somewhat intentionally off point.