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[Assistant] We should now seek a deep and living experience in the things of God. We have not a moment to lose. Events of vital importance are taking place around us. We are on Satan's enchanted ground.


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[Assistant] Sleep not, sentinels of God. The foe is lurking near, ready at any moment, should you become lax and drowsy, to spring upon you and make you his prey.


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[Assistant] Many are deceived as to their true condition before God.


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[Assistant] They congratulate themselves upon the wrong acts which they do not commit, and forget to enumerate the good and noble deeds which God requires of them, but which they have neglected to perform.


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[Assistant] It is not enough that they are trees in the garden of God. They are to answer his expectation by bearing fruit.


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[Assistant] He holds them accountable for their failure to accomplish all the good which they could have done through His grace strengthening them.


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[Assistant] In the books of heaven, they are registered as cumbers of the ground.


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[Assistant] Yet the case of even this class is not utterly hopeless. With those who have slighted God's mercy and abused His grace, the heart of long-suffering love yet pleads.


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[Assistant] Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.


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[Assistant] See then that you walk circumspectly, redeeming the time because the days are evil. Ephesians 5 verses 14 through 16. When the testing time shall come,


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[Assistant] Those who have made God's word their rule of life will be revealed.


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[Assistant] There is no noticeable difference between evergreens and other trees.


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[Assistant] But when the blasts of winter come, the evergreens remain unchanged while other trees are stripped of their foliage.


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[Assistant] So the false-hearted professor may not now be distinguished from the real Christian, but the time is just upon us when the difference will be apparent. Let opposition arise, let bigotry and intolerance again bear sway.


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[Assistant] His faith stronger, his hope brighter than in days of prosperity.


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[Assistant] Says the Psalmist, thy testimonies are my meditation.


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[Assistant] He shall be as a tree planted by the waters, And that spreadeth out her roots by the river, And shall not see when heat cometh, But her leaf shall be green.


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[Assistant] And shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.


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[Assistant] Who do you live with? Supposing you're kindly let to live, which I haven't made up my mind about. My sister, sir. Mrs. Joe Gargery. Wife of Joe Gargery, a blacksmith, sir. Blacksmith, eh?


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[Assistant] Then you are a fool. And we don't care to associate with fools.


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[Assistant] I will not give them a battle between a Catholic Scotsman and a Protestant Englishman that will divide them further.


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[Assistant] Surely the king can spare one small bear for his loyal subje-


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[Assistant] No, no forgive me, but you are a woman.


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[Assistant] Get out another thousand by the fifteenth. What do you think, Pete? Too dangerous, if you ask me. Nah, I think it would be crazy to try it. All right. We'll talk tomorrow, this time. Goodbye. Goodbye.


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[Assistant] Owing to emergency in the oil town of Lobo, you and Ranger Cumstock received air immediately.


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[Assistant] I want to talk to Captain English of the Texas Rangers at Camp Mayberry, Austin. That's right. And reverse the charges. Hello Captain, this is Blair.


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[Assistant] Comstock and I have looked over the White Sage Ranch and given a report to Townsley and Kingston. They're proceeding with a plan as we agreed on in your office. Not a hit so far.


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[Assistant] Don't you know? I've never seen a guy before in my life. Maybe he saw you somewhere. I've been around. Why he should want to plug me, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Sorry, fella, I thought you were somebody else. Just a little mistake. What a joke on me. You could at least thank me for saving your skin. Yeah, thanks.


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[Assistant] We're still hungry. The check house is across the way. Tell the cook Joe sent you. Thank you, my friend.


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[Assistant] We know that Dume is willing to harbor a couple of outlaws.


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[Assistant] Be gone three weeks or more. Then you'll have time to get something ready.


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[Assistant] That, well, that was Ellen Dangerfield.


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[Assistant] Anyway, great help you turned out to be. You know, I don't think she likes you. It could be wrong. Yea, it could be.


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[Assistant] You're aiming high, aren't you? Yeah, she got beautiful eyes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I reckon it will. But I don't care about them now. I'm concentrating on you.


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[Assistant] Sure enough. Wait till I tell them about our engagement at the bunkhouse tonight.


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[Assistant] Well, nah, I'm just a plain cow hand, Ellen. I don't know nothin' about them things.


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[Assistant] And after they butcher the cattle, they put the hides and bones and what's left into a pit filled with quicklime.


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[Assistant] They'll be here when the time comes. Maybe tonight.


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[Assistant] Hey, hey, what are you grinning about? That Alan Dangerfield. Boy, he sure spit fire.


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[Assistant] Faint heart now, one fair lady. Yea, but fair lady can give a faint heart a kick in the pants. I think you got something there.


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[Assistant] This isn't in good shape except for one place down there with a dry wash. There's a wire of bricks down there every time it rains. Outside, that was a picnic. If you overlooked the grub the cook handed us. Maybe next time you'd like caviar. We'll never eat caviar in the 30 bucks a month you'll pay. Hey, come here.


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[Assistant] Well, so long, pal. That's my job. It was my idea.


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[Assistant] Well, one didn't like exactly. One either fell for him or not, as the case might be.


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[Assistant] Arnold Palmer was the next step after Gertrude Maggio. It's about having a good time. It's about enjoying oneself.


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[Assistant] He was moving in the golf world, which protected him.


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[Assistant] Be the best golfer of all time and known that he's despised, despite his incredible talent, because he overshadowed the beloved Arnie Palmer.


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[Assistant] He was testing you. He wanted to see what you're made of.


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[Assistant] This sport has turned into a big business and Dale, he led the way on that and opened up a lot of doors, a lot of opportunities for a lot of people.


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[Assistant] It's been hard for me to accept that it's a reality. I mean, that's Dale Earnhardt. You know, it's a guy that thought I'd be racing against forever.


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[Assistant] This has been a presentation of ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports. For more, log on to ESPN.com, a part of the Go network. Go.com.


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[Assistant] If it weren't for stockout racing, Dale Earnhardt would be punching a clock.


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[Assistant] One of the defining moments was at Atlanta when he went over, knocked himself out.


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[Assistant] A wild horse that threw you off and you kept getting back on it until you finally became friends. I think Dale Earnhardt and the Daytona International Speedway were friends, but there was a path to get there.


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[Assistant] You realized what had happened and who we had lost and, and the icon that he was became very apparent at that moment, uh, not just internally, but throughout the world. You look at each other and say, okay, what do we do now?


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[Assistant] When we lost Dale Earnhardt, there was a international


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[Assistant] Uh, energy, if you will, to making this sport safe. We've had that opportunity to seize and we did, and we've made great strides since then.


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[Assistant] Apparently, McCloud is to be posted at the palace with us.


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[Assistant] If anyone can subdue this country, he can. Tuggies or no tuggies.


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[Assistant] That was close. Duncan McCloud.


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[Assistant] They will see to it, in an unmarked and shallow grave. Let the beasts take care of their own.


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[Assistant] She forgot all that her husband had told her and the promises she had made to him.


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[Assistant] Now that Saiki's defenses were down, her sisters told her their plan. One of them said,


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[Assistant] We will tell you our plan. Take a knife and place it secretly under the pillow of the bed you share with your husband. Then fill an oil lamp, light it and turn it down low. Place it under a cover somewhere in the bathroom.


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[Assistant] As soon as the monster is dead, we will come to save you. We will take all the treasure back with us and find you a real human husband.


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[Assistant] Or whole season. I could never compare to that.


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[Assistant] I really found out how good Oscar Robson was when I was trying to accomplish the same feats as him.


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[Assistant] Every game you had this anger out, he was just such a machine. Just come up.


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[Assistant] It was a lot of enthusiasm in the beginning, but Bob Cousy's egotistical nature rubbed


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[Assistant] The whole thing was kind of weird. When Bob Cousy activated himself, we all as a team maybe in some way lost a little respect for him.


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[Assistant] He could have had Cincinnati in the palm of his hands. But he never let himself go to the point where, uh, he was completely open, completely relaxed. He always kept something back.


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[Assistant] It's the daily talk show episode, episode 501. Wow. You've only had 500 guys at it. How are we guys? Uh, yeah, very good. I've, um, yeah. Coming off the back of a, what I would describe as a successful live show.


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[Assistant] But you forget these things. So Bodhi stayed at your parents place?


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[Assistant] And so do you, um, if he doesn't want to give you a hug, I hug him until he wants to hug me or he tells me to go away.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I wonder like if I had a kid, yeah, whether you, um, push these things on them and say, no, you need to learn to.


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[Assistant] I guess I'd be an example of that not being true.


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[Assistant] Cause yeah, I think I am pretty like, yeah, I'm like fine being, you know, huggy and sort of, you know, touchy.


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[Assistant] Well, your mum even said, uh, your mum has said, I love you to me, uh, today. Did you know that?


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[Assistant] I mean, it's always risky. Um, I feel like you might be the holdout. So Tommy goes for sort of the holdout approach of a group message. So wait for me to write back. So then he sort of knows what he could do to outperform me in regards to response.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the group thing doesn't have to be a competition. Funnily enough, uh, we got a message from Stacy June.


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[Assistant] A big supporter of ours and, uh, she had done an Insta story, uh, yesterday where she said, congratulations guys, episode 500. This is a huge achievement. You've always been supportive.


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[Assistant] Uh, one of our listeners, I don't know who it was, but they, uh, they slid into Stacey's DMs and said, Hey, funny story. I don't know if it's ever been addressed.


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[Assistant] But the boys a few months ago were talking about Instagram and Josh revealed to Tommy that, uh, you don't follow him on Instagram anymore.


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[Assistant] Well anyway, the, uh, Stacey has now, uh, started following Tommy on Instagram. Yeah man, I gotta, I gotta follow it. And it's a powerful one. Thanks Stace.


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[Assistant] I thought I was getting a phone call, but it's just my, um, Apple watch only has 10% battery, which is very annoying. It's very hard to keep charged. Okay.


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[Assistant] Enjoyment factor. I can't do double speed. I don't, I just don't like the experience. One and a half is okay. If you're, um,


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[Assistant] I guess if you're trying to just get information, if you're just trying to consume content, say for instance, if we've like, uh, if I want to learn some information really quickly, then it's good. But there is something nice about just having a slow, normal pace.


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[Assistant] As in, are you better off doing it double speed and finishing it or doing it normal speed and not finishing it? What do you think? I mean, you would, you would argue that you're better off double speeding and finishing it. Uh, but I mean, I'm not a speed reader.


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[Assistant] Speed listener. You just, that's all you're doing. Yeah. And so, no, I don't know. I feel like for me, I guess it's all about comprehension. If you read a book and can't remember it, have you really read the book?


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[Assistant] You haven't? No. It built in, so you're shaking your head. So you said, yeah, and then you're shaking your head. Um, uh, how do we feel about the results that were handed down last night boys? Yeah, it was good. I mean, I think that the, uh, I mean, the main thing is around the, the double bed. Did you really think that you weren't going to win?


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's a little, well, there's a little bit of like, okay, well now we understand the context. If I'm feeling lethargic, maybe I shouldn't be doing as much.


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[Assistant] Is it, what's the difference between anabolic steroids and the thing that you'd get as testosterone? Blinky Bill says Josh has sexier legs. Thank you. Yeah. It's a, I've got my legs out on the live stream.


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[Assistant] Were you self-conscious about the- Not at all. Not at all.


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[Assistant] So anyway, I was, I was thinking, I was assuming that you would have actually had a lower one based on having supplementing.


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[Assistant] So we need to, I guess we need to work at some point what the next test is going to be.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. Hi at the daily talk show.com. If you've got an idea of what the, what the test should be. Do you have any ideas?


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[Assistant] It feels like they're all being attached to a certain sort of maybe identity of what it means to be a man, which I maybe push back on a little bit.


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[Assistant] So maybe we can evolve a little bit more into...


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[Assistant] No, I think you would be good. I think that there's something like the IQ test is less.


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[Assistant] I mean, so the hard thing is like, how do you measure creat- like so what I, from an identity point of view, creativity, writing, coming up with stories, doing all that sort of stuff, that feels like it's what I associate with.


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[Assistant] No, that least was one of the most popular things we ever did on Instagram.


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[Assistant] But I hate tests. I think like even Brie was saying she had to do, she's doing like, uh, what was she doing? Like this, an assignment for, she's doing a course at the moment. Yeah. Having to do that sort of shit.


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[Assistant] We don't define ourselves, but like, how, I guess part of it, maybe we have a no test policy. Maybe we put to bed any test, maybe no competition. Cause the thing is the, the, the, you're the competitive one. You reckon? Yeah. See, I've never really thought of myself as competitive.


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[Assistant] But that is, that is, there's a certain type or quality of a person who is highly competitive, but one of their


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[Assistant] Weighing it down, putting it on top. Well, I was listening to an interview, uh, with David Epstein who wrote the book Range.


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[Assistant] And he, uh, he went head to head with Malcolm Gladwell. They've got opposing views. So, uh, David Epstein's all about, um, you have to, uh, you can find something late in life, uh, being a, he's sort of like exercise scientists, psychologists, something around that area. He talks about, you can,


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[Assistant] Uh, basically pick something up later. So having a range of skills, being good at this and that Malcolm, Malcolm Gladwell is more of the thought of, uh, the Tiger Woods.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, so you see- There is that, there is, say like my version, did you ever have mates or know people that's like, it's the ones who-


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm triggered by the idea when I was a kid where it's like, I'd have a friend who would say, oh yeah, I didn't study at all. I didn't study. I literally didn't do anything. And then I'm like, I'll speak to them on the phone. Like, yeah, I'm not doing anything. Am I okay? Well.


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[Assistant] It was a technique to outperform. If you quietly work, do it and then show it and then get the results.


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[Assistant] But maybe people have a warped perception that maybe they're so hard on themselves that they don't ever think they're doing enough. So they're like, ah, I'm not doing enough. And then they actually are doing a lot. It's like someone who is, uh, goes to the gym.


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[Assistant] Like if you had to, if you had to come up with a test or something that we did as a team that you think that I would win, what would it be?


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[Assistant] They've got like Samsung. Look, can you look up? So what else? So you think potentially IQ I would win. What else?


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[Assistant] So I, I couldn't read or write very well when I was in school, in primary school. However, I wrote, uh, um,


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[Assistant] Like a story. It was called My Story. And I wrote it. And I was almost being funny.


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[Assistant] But it was sort of, um, trying to be funny. It was trying to be funny, but I think it was like, okay, this is.


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[Assistant] You know, I think it was about like bullying a little bit. Oh, like he's this fat guy and he's like does this thing and it's like, and then, you know, all these people are mean to him. And like, I guess I was using my creativity to express myself. It was called my story. It was called my story. And so they, um, and I won writer of the year at my school.


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[Assistant] If it's not there, it's okay. Is it gonna be hard for you to find another one?


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[Assistant] I mean. So these, I don't know if that's, am I doing well?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we did the GAT, GAT, General Assessment Test. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] I have no idea what, nah, I wouldn't know. Can we do one more? It doesn't mean anything. Nah, my brain hurts. This is pretty fun though. I mean, I'm three for three.


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[Assistant] Actually, talking about sodas, Dr. K emailed us the other day about the orange vanilla


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[Assistant] The closest thing, the closest thing, I bought sandals for one trip to Thailand. Birkenstocks? I could imagine you in Birkenstocks. I don't know if they were Birkenstocks. They have the style of Birkenstocks, but they're probably from Kmart.


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[Assistant] Uh, train driver. What did I say? Truck. Train. Train. I was trying to get the fucking in there cause we know that Danny loves, uh, train driver. Danny was saying can't drive a train whilst listening to something.


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[Assistant] Great. Big baby. So if you want to please send through any happy birthdays for Mr97, hi at the Daily Talk Show.


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[Assistant] dot com is the email address. Thank you to everyone who came to the event. It was amazing that all of you grunks were there. Thank you for all the support on Instagram.


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[Assistant] Celebrating sort of the 500 episodes. So if you go to our Instagram account, you can view that as well. Uh, otherwise we'll see you tomorrow guys.


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[Assistant] There's always a prevailing west wind in these seas all through the late summer. And it always changes after the new year. We'll have plenty of wind for sailing westward. More than we shall like from all accounts.


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[Assistant] Welcome to Overboard, Polygon's card and board game show. Today we're playing Cyberpunk Red. This tabletop RPG is the latest edition of Cyberpunk, the 1988 role-playing game that Cyberpunk 2077 is based on. Still following? Good.


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[Assistant] Like almost all tabletop RPGs, Cyberpunk Red is led by a game master, who sets the scenes and portrays all the characters our players will interact with. In this game, that's me, Jenna.


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[Assistant] Our three roleplayers have each crafted a character complete with backstories, stats, and personalities that will quickly become apparent. As they explore the world I've created, they'll encounter challenges. A character who's lying to them, a locked room, or maybe even somebody who wants to fight. And that's where the dice come in.


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[Assistant] I'll ask players to make a certain type of role, whatever seems most appropriate for what they're trying to do. It could be hacking a computer, a test of strength, or maybe just a really awkward social situation. We normally only let one person in the bathroom at a time.


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[Assistant] Depending on how well they roll and how good or bad their stats are in that area, I'll give them powerful bonuses or embarrassing impairments. There are a lot of other little rules, but we'll explain them as we go along. For now, it's time for your morning update. The year is 2045.


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[Assistant] Dasha grew up comfortably but has fallen on hard times and is on the hunt for a big payday. She's also a poser, which in the world of cyberpunk means she uses plastic surgery to look just like a celebrity. In this case, Winona Ryder. Uh, hey Dapper, it's uh, it's Lionel? You know me, right? It's Lionel.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, I'm- I'm okay. So, have you heard? There- Two people were killed down at Hypo's. You know, Hypo's medical joint?


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[Assistant] Burger Chainz grew up on a farming commune and likely wouldn't have left it if it weren't for a local agri-corp shutting the place down. He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's loyal to a fault. Plus he's got a cool van, which he first drove as part of a nomad gang and later doing odd jobs around Night City.


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[Assistant] So, uh, here we are. This is the first floor. Uh, basically the moment you guys walk into the door, you can see.


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[Assistant] Vango Bango woke up one day in a warehouse, his memory, gone. In front of him, a computer logged into the moderator account on JumpTrash.net. With nothing else to go on, Vango poured his life into the website, generating content whenever and wherever he can. Even if he lacks any real talent for doing so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Yeah, I'll get Dr. Boosie for you. Uhm, so you see him walk off, he's just sorta like, shaking his head. He, he, he looks like he's like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, but he's on there sometimes talking about, like, his exploits, which are mostly ripping off medical groups to try and get, uh, drugs. Because he was a drug addict.


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[Assistant] So Traumatine is, uh, an aspect of cyberpunk. They are the modern ambulances. They're very fast, but they're faster the wealthier you are. Like the better grade of healthcare you have, the better the Traumatine you're gonna get. They're all extraordinarily expensive.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so you see over, uh, basically the opposite side of where the mess is, there's a couple of people, like, sitting on chairs, just like, huddled together, uhm, two of them seem


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[Assistant] That one. Okay. Yeah. God, you were so close. I saw them as soon as they came in. They looked real twitchy. And then they popped Johnny, like, right away. They were not messing around.


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[Assistant] I knew scrubs, we used to rip off trauma theme together, you know. You know?


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[Assistant] Good instinct. So the door handles and you hear Dr. Boosie say, are you guys, what's happening?


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[Assistant] You're so kind, I can see it in your eyes.


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[Assistant] I don't really notice. Excellent. Uhm, so you're walking up the stairs, you pass by, uhm, a sort of a long chained room.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, she's, she's downstairs, uhm, she's actually probably behind the desk talking to like a nurse.


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[Assistant] That's fair. Uhm, yeaah. Your car says, forsooth. We're here.


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[Assistant] Excellent, uh, so they, you see them call, like, pick up, like, or they, you see them, like, gesture to their agent and make a note, and then you see them walking down, uhm, they're wearing, like,


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[Assistant] So what does your sister do now? Oh, like she works for like another trauma team. She's like training to be an EMT.


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[Assistant] Uh, and making everything better. You see, uh, a couple of people, the two, Ampudance and Freefall, who you saw and talked to earlier, they're hanging out and chatting. Um, Freefall seemed a little bit more steady, which is really for her.


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[Assistant] And it's hard to tell if things are missing, but it definitely, like, it looks like somebody has been clawing through all of these. In fact, you see hallmarks on the side of one of the boxes.


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[Assistant] That, uhm, Freefall said that once you press turn,


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[Assistant] Yeah, weird how? I mean, besides the fashion, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, the other person you can see with your, back to him, you can see him as he's turning and talking. Definitely has Italian and Stalin. Fuck yea, is he super hot? Tattoo, he's pretty attractive. God damn. Uhm, and to his left there's a woman with a short black hair, uhm, who looks like she has a bunch of cybernetics in her arms.


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[Assistant] Is like the main friends role-players? Okay. And, uh, do you, does your character know about friends?


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[Assistant] Uh, and they make references to, like, how they had a sixth member, uhm, known as Russell, who was tragically slaughtered. And so it's just the five of them.


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[Assistant] Uh, and yeah, if you don't know more about friends, uh,


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[Assistant] Just ready for things to pop off, but they all sit back down.


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[Assistant] Cause we're the besties. No, not that. Why did you shoot people? Oh, yeah. I mean, listen. We, we heard.


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[Assistant] We seen it. He got some Trauma Team shit.


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[Assistant] They all look really sad. They all look really disappointed.


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[Assistant] Uh, great, give me a roll and get, uh, plus three because you're clearly a nomad who knows shipping. Okay.


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[Assistant] That's a great roll. Uhm, they are gonna roll, uhm, let's see. That's a 14.


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[Assistant] So, uh, it is the bestie's turn. The first thing you see is that the man behind the countertop


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[Assistant] Uh, alright, so she draws from her, her, uhm, guitar a comically overly long gun and shoots it almost point blank. What do you do to dodge it?


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[Assistant] Waaah, yes. So she comes up to me.


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[Assistant] Uh, so JoJo, who is currently within your arms, uh, draws out, uh, actually, because you're in close combat, he pops out his rippers.


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[Assistant] So it's gonna be them versus y'all.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so you pick her up and you just piled right through the window and she's like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know, man. They're like, everybody here volunteers. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I didn't recognize him. Here's the thing. Scrubs loved ripping out trauma themes. I didn't care.


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[Assistant] All you got to do is talk, son, and you'll be out of here. Just tell us where we can collar them desperados. Try and remember. I tell you, I don't know. I'll be outside if you want to talk to me.


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[Assistant] Tang's task was to bring back the cows of the monster Gezhuang.


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[Assistant] Instead of climbing over it, he brought his heavy club down onto it.


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[Assistant] The Greeks called the high rocks on either side of this gap the


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[Assistant] It took Hercules a year to bring them together again. When he came to the river, he made its level rise.


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[Assistant] But Eurus said that he could not count the killing of Hydra since he had had a friend to help him.


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[Assistant] Heracles' second task was to kill the Hydra, a nine-headed monster. The first time he tried, he failed.


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[Assistant] Every time he struck up a head with his club, two more would grow back to take its place. So he asked his Matthew and friend,


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[Assistant] Heracles knew that the Hydra's blood was a very strong poison


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[Assistant] So before he left, he soaked all his arrows in the Hydra's blood so that any wound made by them would be deadly.


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[Assistant] The next task was to catch the deer of Sarenir, which had golden horns and ran so fast that it did not seem to touch the ground.


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[Assistant] Heracles ran faster after it for many days, but could not catch it, so he waited until it was asleep and then tied a rope to the trees around it in a circle.


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[Assistant] In the middle of the night Heracles made a sound to frighten the deer. The rope, which it could not see,


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[Assistant] Got wrapped around his legs and Heracles caught it easily. But Heracles admired this beautiful animal and did not want Eurystheus to keep it in a cage.


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[Assistant] So he brought it to Eurytheus and asked him to agree that he had succeeded in his task.


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[Assistant] Then he said, here you are and let go of the deer just before the king could get hold of it.


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[Assistant] I remember in Arcadia, this animal also ran fast.


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[Assistant] On the way to visit Chiron, he met another central forest.


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[Assistant] Who invited a Heracles to eat and drink with him?


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[Assistant] As soon as Fowler gave Hercules some wine, all the other centers smelled it and came running.


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[Assistant] They all drank a lot of wine straight out of the jar, not understanding that the wine of the gods is very strong and should be mixed with water. Then they were very drunk. They attacked Heracles.


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[Assistant] He was forced to defend himself by shooting them with his arrows.


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[Assistant] Since the arrows have been dipped in the Hydra's blood, many of the centers were killed.


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[Assistant] Then Heracles left the cave and went on with his journey. Finally, he found Charon.


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[Assistant] Who told Heracles to drive the ball up into the high mountains where the snow lay deep?


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[Assistant] Scattering is occurring, and that helps


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[Assistant] Communication to the government to protect territory.


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[Assistant] Tell him it's both. I am sorry and I would like his help in getting started with my work.


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[Assistant] Oh no. Not ever. The only thing I want now is to bring up my son. He's very like his father. And I want him to grow up that way. That's a very difficult thing to do in a strange country. That's why we must have a home of our own.


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[Assistant] Yes, if that's necessary. He wants to get angry by breaking his own promise.


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[Assistant] Therefore, we will begin by learning a song or two, or a sentence or two, which will express English feelings. For instance, this one. It's an old proverb. If a man break faith with me, shame on him.


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[Assistant] He's really very clever. But I cannot allow him to stay. Take him out now, Thompson.


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[Assistant] If he make people to laugh in this doll palace.


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[Assistant] There are many stories about the world, Your Royal Highness, and we're further along with our studies. I shall try and explain them to you. Before the present, I think we'd better stick to our letters.


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[Assistant] I know that you are very quick to learn and I shall do all I can to help you. But for the present, I wish you to recite with the class.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you stayed. I wanted to thank you for warning me about Tupton.


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[Assistant] Well, after today, I think I can manage a large cup of tea. Louis!


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[Assistant] Will you see in our country, it's possible for me to be almost like a father to Louie, even though I am a woman.


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[Assistant] And he can accept authority from me just the same as you can from your father.


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[Assistant] But since it is so with us, I see no great need to fight. I think it would be much nicer if you could be friends.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, Your Majesty. I do want to help if I can.


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[Assistant] Humanity. The Bible was not written by men of science. It was written by men of faith. It was their explanation of the miracle of creation.


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[Assistant] I think science does not contradict the Bible. It has only made us more aware of how great the miracle was.


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[Assistant] I am not sorry about the monkey. That is why you make me stay. It isn't the monkey lady, Topham. I want to ask your help for someone. It's your slave woman, Laor. I talked with her. By what right?


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[Assistant] I can't believe you would deliberately keep her chained so long, and with a child too. She tried to run away.


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[Assistant] Isn't there a law in Siam that says a slave must be freed if the money is offered?


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[Assistant] I shall try my best never to allow my head to be as high as your majesty's. But I simply cannot grovel on the floor. You are very stubborn, ma'am. I do not understand why you must be so.


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[Assistant] And I think it's wrong when the king of Siam upholds his wife when she chooses to disobey the law.


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[Assistant] Because it goes against everything I thought you wanted for your country.


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[Assistant] I know you wanted to progress, to take its place among the other nations of the world. You made this law yourself. But if you put your own will above the laws you make, you'll fail.


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[Assistant] He only sees that the laws they make themselves are carried out. And I believe he studied very hard. He educated himself.


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[Assistant] He was afraid we were inclined to accept his wisdom, what is only knowledge, and to accept his progress, things that are nothing more than change. He said true progress must bear some relation to man's character. It must have its roots in his heart.


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[Assistant] There are no elephants in America.


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[Assistant] He say I am most perfect and fascinating woman in palace. It's a beautiful gift. It is worth thousand times price of slave.


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[Assistant] He didn't give me any answer at all, I thought. Then you did talk to him.


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[Assistant] A stock from which is supplied elephants might be raised on our own soil.


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[Assistant] The present jurisdiction of this government no longer reaches those latitudes southerly enough to favor the multiplication of the elements.


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[Assistant] I think it's wrong that the owner reports about Siam are taken back by sea captains and adventurers. And I think that if you ask him...


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[Assistant] Perfect, Your Majesty. The loveliest I've ever seen. Oh, oh, how magnificent.


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[Assistant] Your Majesty, I'm sure if you'd known in the first place that she was in love with someone else, you never would have allowed her to be brought here at all. But now they're trying to make her confess to something that isn't true, torturing her without regard to proof or witness.


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[Assistant] I beg you, don't take revenge on this girl. If you do, you'll have thrown away everything you've done.


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[Assistant] All you've built up for your country and yourself with such labor against such odds. And you'll never be able to get it back again. How can you have faith yourself in what you're doing?


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[Assistant] Or ask anyone else to believe in you or the country you represent. When you know yourself, you're only pretending.


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[Assistant] That you don't give a snap of your fingers for your people or human progress. That it's a lie.


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[Assistant] I shan't ever forget you, Princess.


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[Assistant] Let us stay where she is. You can have your law. I have the king. Go and find this out for yourself.


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[Assistant] The other novices who lived in cell with me never knew I was woman until this morning. They were with me all the time. If they did not know I was woman, how could he know? They will tell you he did not know. Why are they not here? Why do you not ask them?


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[Assistant] The proper lot did not recognize me, not then or ever, not even though he had known me since he was a boy. I had been betrothed to him by my family before I was sent to palace. After I was sent to palace,


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[Assistant] You went to his cell and stayed with him there until you were found. Will you confess to this, or must we get it out of him?


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[Assistant] You live in his cell as a woman. Ask the others. They will tell you the truth. You make him break his holy vows. Confess. I will not.


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[Assistant] We will wait. The mem has much to learn.


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[Assistant] Lady Tiong, I came here because I...


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[Assistant] And it just keeps going up, up, up, and it's like a trail. I remember saying if I could just...


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[Assistant] Stay with Jerry. Next thing I know, he just goes, okay go. He just takes off. Now all of a sudden I'm breaking down, I can't even run anymore, I'm trying to stay with it. I get up there.


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[Assistant] The riddle man's coming here as a sign. Last night, I had a dream of a death's head.


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[Assistant] Here come I, the Turkish Knight, coming from a Turkish land to fight.


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[Assistant] Here come I, Turkish Knight, coming from a Turkish land to fight.


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[Assistant] What you forbade me at the maypolling, miss. When you wouldn't join hands with me in the ring.


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[Assistant] If you'll let me hold your hand. Fifteen minutes.


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[Assistant] Well, there's a story on the heath, Mr. Clem, that someone was seen entering the house. Who? Well, I don't know, a man. I didn't see him myself. Who saw him? Soon as none such saw him. Soon as he far away saw him.


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[Assistant] Apollo's palace was so beautiful that Phaedon was afraid to go in, but he remembered what the other children had said, so he went up to Apollo and told him who he was. Apollo greeted him kindly and said, Welcome my son.


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[Assistant] So Phaeton told his father how the other children did not believe that he was Apollo's son and had made fun of him.


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[Assistant] They didn't ask Apollo to let him drive the sun chariot that day.


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[Assistant] For if the other children saw him driving the sun across the sky, they would have to agree that he was Apollo's son. Apollo was sorry that he had been so quick to make a promise to Phaeton, but a god never breaks his promise once it is given.


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[Assistant] He tried to persuade Faden to accept some other gift.


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[Assistant] Apollo tried to explain to Phaeton the right speed to drive the horses and how to control them. But like many songs, Phaeton did not really listen to his father's advice. He just wanted to get started.


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[Assistant] Satan looked at the sun chariot with delight.


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[Assistant] It was made of gold and covered with brightly shining jewels.


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[Assistant] Then the impatient boy jumped into the chariot and shook the reins.


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[Assistant] The horses flew off into the sky just as Apollo hurried to open the golden gates of the sunrise. For a while, all went well.


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[Assistant] Phaeton remembered his father's warning not to whip the horses, but later in the day he got too excited.


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[Assistant] He started whipping the horses to go faster and faster without paying much attention to where they were going.


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[Assistant] Soon he lost his way. The chariot came so close to the earth that its head dried up the rivers and killed all the plants. The head even turned the people of those countries brown, which is why Indians and Africans have very dark skin even today.


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[Assistant] The plants started to burn and Phaeton could not see clearly through the smoke.


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[Assistant] He could not find his way back to the earth and drove far away from it. So the countries that were then under the sun chariot grew colder and colder like the earth pulls today.


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[Assistant] This winter. See a film that's not afraid to pander to your emotions.


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[Assistant] Critics are calling Oscubate a triumph. Daring.


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[Assistant] And the Los Angeles Times says, Oscar bait has the most blatant attempt to win an Oscar since the King's speech. Oscar bait checks off all the boxes. Racial tension.


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[Assistant] Latent homosexuality. Thanks for shopping with us. Here's your change.


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[Assistant] USA Today says, even the mailman cried when he was literally on screen for two seconds. And the New Yorker says, so much snot.


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[Assistant] You gotta stop blaming yourself, man.


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[Assistant] Oh, and one scene straight up stolen from the movie Carol.


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[Assistant] Chapter 8 Earl's Hall Park


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[Assistant] I lived at Burtwick Park for three happy years. But then changes came. Our mistress was often ill.


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[Assistant] And the doctor advised her to go and live in a warm country for two or three years Everyone was very sorry


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[Assistant] But the master immediately started making arrangements to leave England.


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[Assistant] John did his work silently and sadly, and Joe didn't sing any more.


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[Assistant] Then we heard that the master had sold Ginger, and me, to an old friend of his, Lord Grey.


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[Assistant] Mary Legs was given to the neighbour, Mr. Bloomfield, and Joe was employed to look after him.


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[Assistant] John was offered several good jobs, but he wanted to wait and look around.


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[Assistant] You stupid girl! What made you think that you could just- I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] Eccentric. I grew up with Robert. I know him better than anyone in the world. And yes, Robert has changed. Beyond recognition. And you are responsible for that change.


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[Assistant] I've seen bad signs this day, my father. Strange moccasin prints are in the forest. Huron. Violets are skulking around.


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[Assistant] Why did those heathens spare my life? They believe that you are the son of a spirit. That you are crazy. Such people cannot be harmed. It is law. That's a good law.


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[Assistant] For the love of God, don't! Does Margo wear a skirt? Does he only fight women?


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[Assistant] Here, hoof marks. They took horses and went north.


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[Assistant] Footprints, hoofprints, but none of the singing one. Only the marks of deep bare feet.


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[Assistant] Then we'll make two war parties. One to the valley, the other to the blind side of the hills.


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[Assistant] Are you sure this canoe will hold the five of us?


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[Assistant] I went back trying it again. Each time I went down. Hey man, what I'm doing out here?


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[Assistant] Sometime later, the officer touched his shoulder and told him that the court was ready.


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[Assistant] A magistrate was a judge who dealt with small crimes in local courts, and the magistrate for this district was well known.


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[Assistant] His name was Mr. Fang, and he was a disagreeable, bad-tempered man. Today, he was in a particularly bad mood. He frowned angrily at the old gentleman, and asked sharply, Who are you? My name, sir, is Brownlow. Officer, what is this man charged with? He's not charged, sir, answered the officer. He's accusing the boy. The magistrate looked at Mr. Brownlow from head to foot.


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[Assistant] And what have you got to say? Mr. Brownlow began to explain.


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[Assistant] I was standing outside a bookshop. Be quiet, sir, shouted Mr. Fang. Policeman? Now, you arrested the boy. What happened?


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[Assistant] He was a guy who was definitely searching. The old lure pulled him back.


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[Assistant] When George pulls it off, the entire place erupts.


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[Assistant] Hare Krishna, Kaustubha Prabhu. Welcome to the Monks Podcast. It's been my aspiration to have you on this forum for a long time, because I've seen you to be, I would call you a thoughtful, cutting edge, contemporary outreach in an area where not many have been as effective as you are. So I'm very grateful that you are here today with us.


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[Assistant] So I will just quickly read your introduction, so then you can, we can have more personal discussion.


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[Assistant] So, Kaustubhadass has a special way of making the teachings and practices of yoga very approachable and relevant. He serves as a Senior Educator of the Bhakti Centre in New York City and is the co-host of the Wisdom of the Sages yoga podcast which has been ranked


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[Assistant] Number one in the world on Apple Podcasts in the category of religion and spirituality. Now that's remarkable since it's


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[Assistant] You have just got one year, you started it, we'll talk about that, it's amazing. Between the ages of 21 and 24, he lived as a Vaishnava monk, travelling and studying in Ashrams in India and America. He teaches Bhakti Yoga, philosophy and meditation, which has practiced for over 30 years in the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition. So, I think your introduction itself indicates the way you have evolved and positioned yourself in the mission of outreach.


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[Assistant] Can you tell me how since you are specializing now in outreach in yoga, how did you come to that genre of outreach?


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[Assistant] Since if you were a monk in the ashram in, in, uh, Iskcon temple from there, it must have been quite a journey to come to this level, this kind of outreach.


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[Assistant] Oh, interesting. So then, uh, were you having some educational background at that time or?


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[Assistant] So I thought that the hippie counterculture was, it more or less ended by the 70s but still there is something else which was somewhat similar that was there in the late 80s also.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I am just making some notes because it is fascinating. Okay with that I hope.


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[Assistant] So, were the Hare Krishnas also a part of


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[Assistant] Did we have a presence at that time? We might not have been a part of it.


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[Assistant] But were we at that time or our movement had become little less influential at that time?


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. So do you feel that this background


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[Assistant] Made you receptive for Krishna Consciousness in some ways? Although it was, it might seem quite radical and disruptive, but you feel it made you receptive for Krishna Consciousness in some ways?


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[Assistant] So literally we could say that what Prabhupa did in the 60s that continued to happen to some extent in the 80s also.


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[Assistant] The disaffected people from mainstream society, they were attracted.


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[Assistant] So, specifically what about Prabhupada's books did you, did rank true to you? What attracted you?


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[Assistant] Now, was there something about Srila Prabhupada's style of presentation also?


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[Assistant] Many of the, I thought of this for the 60s, but you are saying this applies for the hardcore punk rock culture in the 80s also that?


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[Assistant] So then for you, in a sense, becoming a monk was, was it like a big decision or it was just a natural flow, natural development from where you were?


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[Assistant] You know, I would love to go over your monk ears also, but then you have to come to the yoga thing. So maybe we could go a little fast forward on that part.


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[Assistant] So I only wanted to, I only asked in detail about this, but, you know, so, in one sense, what changed America so much, if the counterculture,


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[Assistant] To some extent was so appealing, but in many ways that way of presentation


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[Assistant] Or the appeal of Krishna Consciousness that was there at that time.


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[Assistant] That is not there, say now 20-30 years down the line.


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[Assistant] So I presume that your change in orientation also was a response to the change in the environment.


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[Assistant] That kind of question itself is a radical question. What do you think about what somebody is doing, especially a senior leader?


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[Assistant] So, you know, I read, just to give some context, you know, I read most of the Malkrishna Maharaj books and I read especially that essay when he decided to, which he has written in the introduction of his first set of published academic essays, you know, Hare Krishna at Southern Methodist University.


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[Assistant] So, he talks about his rationale for going into the


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[Assistant] Uh, into the academia and it struck me as so amazing.


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[Assistant] So, he says basically that through our approaching people on the street, we have reached a plateau in our influence.


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[Assistant] If you want to reach further to people, we need to understand them better so that we can make ourselves understandable to them better.


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[Assistant] Outsider, outsider and outsider, insider. So insider, insider like our Bhagavatam classes. So inside our Bhakti Shastri classes.


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[Assistant] Then insider-outsider is our Sunday feast or our book distributions.


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[Assistant] But we really never cared much about how outsider-outsider happens. You know, what do people think about us and what do people share with us?


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[Assistant] There is a lot of negative press there and outside insider was out of question that you know they have something to teach us. So uhm, right. So I think this was also this kind of critical.


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[Assistant] Or because it was coming from your spiritual master, it naturally was something which you found acceptable.


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[Assistant] Your understanding of how American society or American culture itself had changed by this time.


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[Assistant] Means, uh, yoga, I don't think it was that popular in the 1980s.


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[Assistant] broadly American society itself has, had changed in certain ways because of which say, like Maharaj also said that, uh, our approaches, we, our temples are not being able to reach and that's why we need to do something else.


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[Assistant] So why do you feel was the need to do something else? Was it just because say the counterculture was our primary demographic and that counterculture itself?


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[Assistant] I mean, articulate way of putting it that, it's like,


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[Assistant] We were, when people are looking for a radical solution, we present our, we were like a very evident radical solution.


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[Assistant] So then this was already, so you could say that you were probably a part of the remnants of that alternative kind of culture in the 80s.


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[Assistant] So in a sense, my understanding of how yoga is seen in the western world is that


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[Assistant] When people are looking for yoga, it's not so much for an entirely different way of living as for adding value to the way they are presently living.


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[Assistant] In a sense, you were doing in the yoga world what Tamal Krishna Maharaj was doing in the academic world.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like adding value to my life versus looking for alternative way of living.


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[Assistant] A part of the, you could call it the mainstream society.


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[Assistant] Or at least not a part of the fringe of society, because you are talking about musicians, writers and... So yoga is practiced, I would say, quite a lot by the mainstream and the upper crust of society, isn't it? It is not like counterculture. So what was the demographic that you were reaching in that, in that place?


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[Assistant] So in one sense, we cannot even homogenize the yoga scene.


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[Assistant] Because that will also be dependent on the particular teacher, the particular place and yoga also will be quite diverse. Yes. Yeah, makes sense.


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[Assistant] From our culture, our philosophy will speak to these people.


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[Assistant] Okay, just one minute, if you don't mind. I would just like to respond to this, you know, the way social media has changed things. It struck me also, because say, I became a Brahmachari in 96.


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[Assistant] And I was introduced in 96, I became a Brahmachari in 98 and literally I don't think, uh, I read a newspaper till 2010.


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[Assistant] So the only time I read it was somebody brought it after 9-11.


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[Assistant] So I was completely out of the, you could say the social loop. Not that I read newspapers extensively now, but I was completely like on a different planet during that time.


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[Assistant] And then we were doing our outreach, I was primarily involved in college programs, but then slowly as the internet started moving forward, you know, distraction was one thing that struck me, but there's another thing that struck me and it became even more evident when I started traveling to the West that people's


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[Assistant] Level as well as capacity of skepticism has increased.


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[Assistant] And at the end, it was like a, it was a talk in America. He had come from India with the Indian didactic way of teaching and he gave a talk to a university in America and after that one boy,


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[Assistant] He said, you know, during your talk, I was Googling, you made 33 factual mistakes in your talk.


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[Assistant] And if we are not used to that, if we are not used to that, that kind of, uh,


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[Assistant] Audience, then it can become very acrimonious.


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[Assistant] So I felt that you know, the vertical way of speaking and the more horizontal way of speaking.


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[Assistant] So I also had, so I would say that is one thing also, that the audience has changed in the sense that we cannot be that vertical in our presentation.


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[Assistant] So I feel that this was, even now this strikes me.


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[Assistant] Say, when I am speaking in India and when I am speaking in America,


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[Assistant] It's not just the way I naturally speak, I don't try to be too vertical anytime.


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[Assistant] But the way audience deals with me and the way audience deals with me in the western world, there's a radical difference in the two.


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[Assistant] And, uh, unless, I think, I think that's a major, major difference between the world, uh, between the world maybe 20-30 years ago and now. What do you think?


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[Assistant] And the Hindi speaking audience is one, the English speaking audience is different. So I would say the way I speak in India, in Mumbai,


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[Assistant] Even any preachers also, the way they speak in Mumbai would be different from say, the way they might speak in some smaller town in the heartland of India.


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[Assistant] So definitely there is a change. It's moving toward that direction.


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[Assistant] In many ways, in India, although our movement is spreading in significant ways, we are not really reaching the, the opinion leaders of society, the culture shapers of society.


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[Assistant] Uh, people who already have a certain level of piety and receptivity.


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[Assistant] And this is not a criticism, this is just an observation. So in that sense, even now to some extent, the horizontal approach, the vertical approach will work. But even the existence of something like a Govardhaniko village,


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[Assistant] They can go for a walk, they can be with animals, they can go on a trek.


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[Assistant] Uhm, beautifully put, you know.


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[Assistant] So there is, in India, if you are a spiritual teacher, there is an assumption of authority, that you can assume that you have a certain level of authority.


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[Assistant] So one thing which struck me, it seems that even when there is a rebellion,


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[Assistant] People don't lose the basics of their upbringing.


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[Assistant] So what happens is that they may reject one authority, but then once they, if they find a truly trustworthy authority, then they can accept that authority with the same or even greater submission than the kind of authority they had in their life previously.


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[Assistant] In the 70s, but in the 2000s, people have not grown with any authority at all.


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[Assistant] Suddenly when they come to a spiritual tradition, they are expected to accept authority. It doesn't work.


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[Assistant] I mean, maybe we can move from the, you talked about bhakti center and you came to the wisdom of the sages. I think it happened organically.


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[Assistant] But when you are talking about this, I have been reading a lot about Bhaktivinoda Thakur and Bhaktivinoda Thakur was not exactly an institutional person. But I read that at that time, through his regular magazines, he like cultivated a virtual community in Bengal.


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[Assistant] Uh, connect with a good number of people who are quite thoughtful. The Bhadraloka were his primary audience. And if you read Bhaktinath Thakur's writings also, now they are not that vertical.


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[Assistant] It's quite horizontal. He'll use some stories, some novel, novel format to like seep in teaching rather than just instruct.


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[Assistant] So in one sense I would say what you are doing in the wisdom of the sages, it is actually very much grounded in the, in our tradition.


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[Assistant] Are you, means actually reformulating bhakti in the form of 12 steps or you are basically providing some similar, similar support groups?


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[Assistant] You know, as I was thinking, it struck me that our


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[Assistant] Various connections with the community, with the spiritual center and you are already a part of the culture and you get some further education. But what you are talking about is the educational forum is the way for connection and that is a different way of envisioning it itself. So there are people who do not have


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[Assistant] So say the temple Bhagavatam class or the Brahmachari or the evening Gita class as was there, if the people are already staying in the temple or staying nearby, they already have connections and this is just to learn more. But what we are talking about is to connect more.


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[Assistant] It's almost like, uh, to put it in more of our traditional categories of knowledge. You know, we have samandha gyan, we emphasize it a lot. You're not the body or the soul. And we talk about prayojan. We all want to become pure devotees of Krishna.


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[Assistant] But the abhidaya, we reduce it to a very simplistic following of rules.


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[Assistant] It's, most of our classes are, you know, how to improve, how to improve your practices of bhakti or how to improve your, improve your understanding of the philosophy which is good.


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[Assistant] But, you know, I have to live a life and how does my bhakti practice interact with the rest of my life and how do I deal with the challenges? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Again going back to this point, what, I mean, the way you spoke about these two things, I would like to just flesh it out a bit.


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[Assistant] So rather, again, the conception of God,


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[Assistant] I can, what can I relate with? I have options. It's not that the truth is like cut and dry and either you accept it or you have no place over here.


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[Assistant] While we talk about the concept of sthita pragya, to stay equi-poised.


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[Assistant] But rather than saying that we should stay equipoised, we talk about how the Bhagavad Gita helps us to ground ourselves in the unchanging part within us and then not be so disturbed by the world's ups and downs.


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[Assistant] So, in a sense, again it goes back to adding value to my life, instead of an alternative way of living.


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[Assistant] Yes, there is a God and you can love God and you can be happy with Him in the, in His world.


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[Assistant] You talked about the parts of our philosophy which are relevant or attractive.


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[Assistant] Some of the more vertical or demanding parts, say like the regulatory principles or a commitment to a particular level of chanting.


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[Assistant] Or even initiation requiring a precondition of doing some things.


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[Assistant] So do you see those definitions of success?


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[Assistant] As relevant in the contemporary scene, you know, how do we measure our outreach or so many people became initiated or so many, how do, how do you see all that now?


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[Assistant] With people at a personal level and another level, we have a rational explanation of things and I think in India also,


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[Assistant] If we are to reach to educated people, we do need that rational presentation. Without that, things don't make sense. Of course, the specifics of the rationality will be different. The kind of questions people may have will be different. But the principle is same.


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[Assistant] And now about the, the wisdom of the sages podcast. So you are taking directly the Bhagavatam.


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[Assistant] Isn't that a little bit advanced book or I mean how did you choose to take the Bhagavatam per se, say not the Bhagavad Gita or not the Yoga Sutras or something like that?


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[Assistant] And I saw your classes, you know, you don't avoid difficult issues. You take the verses and you, you are able to, uh, you are able to present provocative topics non-provocatively.


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[Assistant] Recently my brother, I have almost a 13 year gap between me and my brother and he had a baby, his first child. So I can see him changing as a person, you know, just going through that life experience makes him a different person.


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[Assistant] But people evolve through material life and if at that time, so many things about, he is not a devotee, he is favourable.


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[Assistant] His paradigm has changed. He's concerned about, say, how I will raise my child properly. What values am I going to give to my child? And there are opportunities for sharing spiritual wisdom based on where people are at in their life experience.


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[Assistant] And if we just like again homogenize their life experience as mundane and illusory and entangling, then we lose that opportunity.


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[Assistant] So it's interesting, yeaah, it's interesting that the demographic of the age of 40, that's the time when people start, to some extent, re-questioning their life. Some people get into middle life crisis.


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[Assistant] And I don't think we have tapped that tymographic at all.


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[Assistant] And then their midlife crisis, they start re-evaluating their spiritual life.


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[Assistant] I have been studying the epics, the Ramayana and the Mahabharata more and I have written one book on the Ramayana and I am writing further. So, there I


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[Assistant] I focus more on human lessons from the epics rather than only devotional lessons.


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[Assistant] And while those lessons are there, but quite often they are not emphasized.


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[Assistant] Otherwise if we just present spiritual wisdom and devotional lessons, then it doesn't connect with people's lives so much.


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[Assistant] So only recently I started viewing the Bhagavatam through this lens and I am realizing even in Krishna Leela there are so many human lessons we can give. We don't want to reduce Krishna Leela down to the mundane level but what I see is that it's like we are building a ladder. We can connect with Krishna Leela at different levels.


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[Assistant] I would say, you know, I used to read the Bhagavatam before. Bhagavatam stories were familiar with us, bringing up in India Bhagavatam or Mahabharata Ramayan.


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[Assistant] It was in the classes of Radhanath Maharaj that I started look, finding these human values.


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[Assistant] And then it's a, then I can see that you're, then you know you can actually know what the need of the people is also and then the part of the Bhagavatam which is relevant will sort of jump out to you. I like your metaphor of drawing circles around points or making packages.


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[Assistant] You know, one of the things when I read Tamal Krishna Maharaj, servant of servant,


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[Assistant] The first thing that struck out in Prabhupada's letters to him was that because you are trying to serve Krishna sincerely, Krishna is giving you the intelligence and Adami buddhi yogam tam, the 10-10 in the Gita.


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[Assistant] Prabhupada quotes it so many times in the letters that he is sending. So what you earlier said about when devotees come together sincerely, patiently with the desire to learn how to share, then Krishna guides. So I think this kind of contextualization


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[Assistant] Is something which is, uh, so important. And we see Prabhupada also did that. Prabhupada in some ways, when he talked about chanting Hare Krishna, he said, stay high forever.


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[Assistant] So, it does not just chant some esoteric mantra from somewhere which will develop your love of God, but use that language, that frame, you know, you can go high and stay high forever.


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[Assistant] We are following Prabhupada's example of, although the way we may be presenting may be different, but we are actually following his example and fulfilling his purpose.


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[Assistant] That's your kind words, but you know, I spend a good amount of time trying to learn how people can learn.


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[Assistant] The most important part of a class for me as a speaker begins after the class.


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[Assistant] So what I do might improve the audience understanding, may help the audience grow what I speak during the class. But what I hear after the class helps me grow.


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[Assistant] So, I am trying to learn in whatever way I can.


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[Assistant] Couple of questions before, so going back to the earlier point of not quantifying.


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[Assistant] You know, we discussed about outreach and various ways, but at the same level, you know, you have been successful in this. It was impressive. I knew that your podcast was very, uh, very widely appreciated, but to be the number one podcast in religion and spirituality within one year, that's a huge achievement. So now do you,


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[Assistant] See, in your years of yoga outreach,


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[Assistant] Do you focus on or see like a translation of people or elevation of people from where they are to going closer toward Krishna and maybe not necessarily becoming affiliated members of the movement but raising in their consciousness and becoming closer to Krishna?


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[Assistant] That's beautiful. Ultimately, everybody has their relationship with Krishna and we can only facilitate them in developing that.


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[Assistant] That is uh, actually if you see that was the mood of Srila Prabhupada in his Markene Bhagavad Dharma. He says, make my words understandable to them.


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[Assistant] What is often portrayed in the mainstream as a person who is, you know, smashing misconceptions and calling out people for their wrong ideas?


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[Assistant] And, uh, then how much we will be able to assist, how much the Lord wants us to be an instrument, how people, how long, how far people will go.


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[Assistant] Through whatever we contribute to them. That is all in one sense beyond our control.


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[Assistant] But the way Prabhupada puts it is a wake me dance.


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[Assistant] Uh, speak so much to my experience also. Uh, I feel that, uh,


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[Assistant] What we often do, we use the philosophy to create labels and then we reduce people to those labels.


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[Assistant] And this applies for non-devotees or I don't even like the word non-devotees but for lack of a better word. But this applies for people who are not practicing and even for devotees, you know, we might apply a label like this devotee is a liberal devotee.


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[Assistant] And then liberal becomes so big that the part that is a devotee, it becomes like a footnote.


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[Assistant] So, yes, somebody might be liberal and somebody might be conservative, but they are devotees and people are multidimensional and


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[Assistant] It's important to find out what is good in people, not what is bad.


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[Assistant] So, it's, it's, I feel that sometimes philosophy can


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[Assistant] If what you said about not the change, if you don't work on the heart enough, then philosophy can become a tool for, uh,


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[Assistant] We just remove the heart from the picture and we operate entirely at the level of the head and we operate through the filter of those labels and it's quite unfortunate and alienating.


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[Assistant] So, I am not able to get the connection between the two points that he doesn't operate by telling what is right and wrong.


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[Assistant] And other point is that I have to become a person like, uh, who people will be inspired to follow.


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[Assistant] Although Maharaj may not tell people, but still do this or don't do this, but still people follow him out of the inspiration.


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[Assistant] Not focused so much on the right or wrong, telling it explicitly, but by the example or by the inspiration coming from the example, people say almost organically or osmotically, uh, uh, moved in that direction.


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[Assistant] So this actually was what my last question which I had was that


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[Assistant] I saw your introduction and I said that reflects what you're doing. It's quite a, you could say, a non-institutional introduction.


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[Assistant] You say that you are a monk for so long and you have been connected to the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition.


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[Assistant] So I have also noticed that people seem to have


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[Assistant] And at the same time they are ready to connect with spiritual people.


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[Assistant] Spiritual teachers or they are inspired by someone. So in some ways,


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[Assistant] We with our standards and other things, we do come off as a heavily institutionalized form of religion.


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[Assistant] So how do you deal with that challenge? And in a sense you said that you don't assume authority and we actually by our example inspire.


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[Assistant] I can see that you don't, like you use that in wisdom of the sages, you are using Prabhupada's books directly, using Prabhupada's purports. And so in that sense, you are not concealing things. But at the same time, how do you, how do you deal with that challenge?


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[Assistant] I think that's the first part is done. Yeah, I think the second part is done. That may be the first part. It's a good way to ex, uh, divide the question. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So, you know, this is, I also struggle with this because in a sense, I am a monk, I am much more rigidly affiliated with the institution in my status as well as in the vision, uh, in people's vision because I am directly that way.


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[Assistant] We see the institution as a, as a valuable, even vital source of spirituality. But we don't equate the institution with the spirituality.


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[Assistant] Then it is a problem, but if we start, in one sense, reducing spirituality as separated from the institution entirely, then it becomes too ethereal, too abstract and, uh, you could say, like I used the earlier word, too wishy-washy.


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[Assistant] So, there has to be some concrete form also, just like the soul needs a body.


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[Assistant] Although the body is in so many ways a source of trouble and distress, but the soul can't function in the world without the body.


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[Assistant] So in that sense, I find that embodiment metaphor


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[Assistant] So actually in one sense you did the same thing but.


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[Assistant] I love the phrasing that the institution has given me everything of value that I have.


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[Assistant] Now, there may be many things which have caused us heartburn and which may cause others heartburn, but beyond that,


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[Assistant] It is, everything that we have value, it has come from the institution.


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[Assistant] See the good outside institution, if you are too attached to the institution, we don't see the bad inside the institution, and we can't see the good outside the institution. Then that leads to like a very polarizing we-they mentality, which is not healthy at all.


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[Assistant] But as you said that just rebellion is no sign of spirituality in a sense. So we see all the bad in the institution, but then there is good also. So that balanced approach


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[Assistant] I can see the good outside the institution, I can see, I cannot deny the bad inside the institution, but I see the good also over there.


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[Assistant] And then I focus on the good, I appreciate that and I try to be a part of that and I develop that.


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[Assistant] True, in a sense, like going, I'm just going back to your earlier point about people who are at age of 40.


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[Assistant] And they have certain life experiences which make them spiritually receptive.


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[Assistant] So you know, I have also seen that those, even those who are dedicated institutional leaders,


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[Assistant] Because in a sense, realizations come by functioning in the world.


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[Assistant] Now of course sometimes people may function so rigidly within the framework of the institution that their minds don't open up.


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[Assistant] But I feel that anyway one is actually interacting in the material, with the material world with a spiritual purpose or at least with a spiritual receptivity.


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[Assistant] But still making that institution function in the world.


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[Assistant] Then, so I have, as I have travelled across the world and, uh, and although I clearly acknowledge that, uh, our moon, our temples are not suited for Western outreach, but still I have a lot of respect for all the temple leaders also.


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[Assistant] Because you know, they are, they are operating under, under a challenging environment. Now we may say that we are getting only Indians, but even getting Indians is not easy. It is relatively, it's easier as compared to India.


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[Assistant] But you know, the caliber of Indians who come to America,


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[Assistant] They are probably the best among Indians, most talented, most dedicated.


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[Assistant] So the fact that even our temples are able to attract thoughtful, intelligent, dedicated, successful Indians.


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[Assistant] That is, that is not a matter to be in any way minimized and that our leadership is able to attract that, that level of people. So that is also to be appreciated.


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[Assistant] It's just that there is a bigger universe also to reach out. And then we need a resource. We need the appropriate forums for that.


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[Assistant] You are both a reservoir of wisdom and a stimulator of wisdom, I would say.


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[Assistant] So uhm, I think we started with discussing your journey.


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[Assistant] And how that in one sense prepared you with a level of, you know, unconcern for societal rejection.


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[Assistant] When you eventually started practicing bhakti, which at that time was quite radical to do, and that uhm, the fact that Prabhupada's books


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[Assistant] Presented wisdom in a way in which, you know, like tough people were able to not only understand but present.


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[Assistant] So that says that Prabhupada's style had its, has its resonance with people, with at least people of a particular demography. That's how it's worked. So we talked about how, you know,


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[Assistant] People who were rebellious, Prabhupada's presentation actually gave them a philosophical foundation and spiritual direction for their rebellion. That happened in the sixties and that happened to some extent in the eighties also.


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[Assistant] I especially appreciated your analysis of


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[Assistant] How, when at that time you came to Krishna Consciousness or you met Tamalkrishna Maharaj and it was just that?


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[Assistant] You felt that this is, this is, this is the path for me. This is what I want to do. So.


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[Assistant] And then we talked more about the 2000 when you started entering into the yoga. So that culture of critical questioning, uh, critical thinking, which you learned from Maharaj, I think that was a, that is a special legacy which prepared you for, you know,


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[Assistant] Evaluating different strategies for outreach and then seeing what works and, uh, then the vision of, uh,


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[Assistant] Reaching out to people by providing multiple forums. This temple is just one forum. There is yoga, there are other things available that has, you know, through your interaction with Maharaj that started off. And then I think in the yoga scene, you were able to connect with a niche where there were people who were serious and thoughtful.


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[Assistant] And so although it was, it may not be the mainstream culture, but it was, it was.


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[Assistant] Uh, a part which was like with thoughtful influential people and, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, what you said about, you know, what in our presentation is relevant for people today. So to understand that, we look at how society has changed.


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[Assistant] And, uh, one of the biggest influences is say three decades of computing and one and a half decades of social media.


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[Assistant] So it has decreased people's attention spans and their capacity to even read serious philosophical books and that's why having, say, reading groups


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[Assistant] So the temple classes are meant more for education for people who have other forums for connection.


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[Assistant] And that's why the format has to be significantly different. Then you talked about avoiding condescension.


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[Assistant] That what, one of the reasons for the success of your wisdom on sages podcast is not that, you know, we are enlightened and we are going to enlighten you rather, you know, we are all facing the same life challenges, but we have got some resources which from our bhakti, from our practice and training and education and bhakti and we would like to share that.


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[Assistant] So that horizontal approach as compared to the vertical approach has a far greater reach.


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[Assistant] Because the people who came to him, they were from a...


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[Assistant] So a vertical approach is more likely to alienate than attract. And then we talked about how in the association of devotees with sincerity and patience we gradually learn


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[Assistant] How, what, what clicks with people, what, what we can share with people. And you mentioned about the Bhagavatam.


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[Assistant] So the way you explained Govardhan Leela, not just in terms of what is literally depicted in the picture, but by framing a universe of love and showing that as a, as a extraordinary example of reciprocation of love. Now that contextualization is vital.


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[Assistant] So when we do those two things, then there is a lot of minds and hearts can be opened. And then we also talked about the aspect of institution towards the end.


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[Assistant] That how, you know, you present yourself as an individual who has experiences and you are sharing those experiences.


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[Assistant] And, but as an institution, the institution has given us everything of value, but we don't paint a rosy picture of the institution as, uh,


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[Assistant] Who are connected, you can say committed to the institution, but they are not constrained by the institution. They are not limited by it. They can appreciate the good outside also. And uhm, we did not discuss so much specifically about yoga.


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[Assistant] Uh, in our podcast, but it was the broad audience, which is the contemporary audience in which the yoga crowd is a big crowd. So you did, although you didn't teach yoga, but the attempt to learn yoga put you in an environment where you know, you actually connected with people.


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[Assistant] Everybody has a relationship with Krishna and if their life, they are growing toward Krishna, then that is a valuable contribution we are doing. And then, uh,


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[Assistant] You also, in the between we discussed about the, say the history of how our movement has evolved and not evolved in certain ways.


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[Assistant] But the, uh, we don't have to say that this is the only way to reach out to Western audiences. But instead of fighting about who is presenting Krishna Consciousness how.


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[Assistant] Philosophical conceptions and philosophy correctness of the conceptions is important but ultimately they are tools for the change of heart.


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[Assistant] So in a sense that approach, we also in the start discussed how the people are, today they are not so interested in the alternative way of living, but they are interested in how we can add value in their lives.


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[Assistant] So you present practical lessons from scripture, you present the practical value of institution.


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[Assistant] It's been an honour for me. Thank you, Hare Krishna. Thank you so much.


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[Assistant] Alright. Shotgun once again, the third down on the loss and there's the, uh, it checks it down to number 83. Saints defense there to get them right at the Saints 31 yard line. That'll bring up third and 19 on the plate.


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[Assistant] All over him. And speaking of being all over, the Atlanta Falcons lost 9-7 just now as Carolina kicked the field.


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[Assistant] Ah, hey, Atlanta lost to Carolina. Thank you, Rock. All right, shotgun for the Giants. A holding, lot of holding going on, ref. He ain't make the call, the throws upfield and look like it's a connect. Nope, incomplete says the ref, so that'll bring up, that's it, fourth and 10 on the play. They got away with some holding though, on some play, but it's an incomplete throw.


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[Assistant] So the Saints, boy, the Saints knocked the piss out of the Giants. And we know the Giants had issues coming into the game, but listen, I got to credit the Saints for taking these people apart in this game. That's right, family. And see,


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[Assistant] When the Saints win and the Falcons lose life, the win is a lot sweeter. It happened last week when we beat the Carolina Panthers and the Falcons lost last week.


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[Assistant] That right, it makes the win sweeter. It does because the Saints are now seven and seven and the Falcons losing by a last minute field goal to the Carolina Panthers nine to seven as the Panthers get their second win of the season.


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[Assistant] So shout out to Rock and the rest of the Carolina Panthers family. They got a victory, nine to seven against the Atlanta Falcons. My goodness. The Falcons are now six and eight.


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[Assistant] The Falcons are now 6 and 8. The Saints are going to climb to 7 and 7. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to be 7 and 7 because they're beating the pack 34 to 20. They're going to win that one. But shout out to the Falcons for coming up short. But you know what, Falcons, hey, Falcon people, thank you for being who you are.


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[Assistant] And doing what you do. Thank you Thomas's ever since the round table.


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[Assistant] Logan the taste of second half football. I told Lowl, listen bro, I think Tampa gonna beat y'all next week.