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[Assistant] But we discussed, I think we all agree, Landry, if they're going to go off the free agent market, it's probably the most likely and best option. Don Tavius Winston says, Mikey, stay off the weed, in a Stephen A Smith voice. Uh, he also wants to know, should Miles play or is DPOY a lock at this point for him?


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[Assistant] Now Jarvis need to arrive like Captain Marvel. Charles T says by this time each year I normally


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[Assistant] Who wanted to come to Ohio State, but was turned away for Kyle McCord. That's a fireball offense by itself. And we'll save the last three super chats for after our next guest. We're going to bring Ben Baby in and his interview today is brought to us by GameTime. It's GameTime.co, not GameTime.com, just GameTime.


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[Assistant] It is time to welcome in Ben Baby, the Bangles beat reporter for ESPN.com to help us break down and preview this week 18 matchup.


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[Assistant] Next super chat comes from our Mac dog. Happy new year. Looking forward to another UCSS great year in 2024. I would like to know what was the panel's predictions on the Brown season beforehand? I think we've all had them between 10, nine or 10 wins on the fringe of the playoffs and Earl had them in the AFC championship.


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[Assistant] Tavis, you're up next. What's the Sean Watson? What should his New Year's resolution be?


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[Assistant] I wanna give you one. Shoot. Kevin Stefanski. Well, he was on my list. He was coming back. I think for Kevin Stefanski, it's to enjoy the moment.


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[Assistant] It's gone through so much chaos in four years. When it was good, it was COVID. Then it was turbulence. It was the up and down. It was the should he be extended? Should he be fired? After the Seattle game, we did a poll in this exact chat and 82% of this chat. So they wanted Kevin Stefanski fired for throwing the ball on fourth down against Seattle.


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[Assistant] So now it is all flowers, Kevin. Enjoy the moment. Sit back in. The job's not done, obviously.


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[Assistant] But relish in the fact that you have officially secured yourself as the best modern day coach of this franchise.


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[Assistant] Earl, you're up. And he's on my list too. What is J.B. Bicker's staff? What should his New Year's resolution be?


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[Assistant] Why'd he miss those four games? He was listed as illness.


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[Assistant] Well we got, I have a cast topic tomorrow, I'm very interested to hear you guys opinions on it. We only have a minute left. So rapid fire, real real quick. Other things I had on the list. Uh, New Year's resolution for Evan Mobley.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree. I just think we ain't been in the playoffs enough to understand that this, like, you get it, like, I watched the Bengals in, in, uh, Chiefs a couple years ago.


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[Assistant] So you mean the Dolphins and the Steelers gotta win?


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[Assistant] Man, I see a, I see a Vets vs. Rookie game. I see, I see what I'm looking forward to is, you know, that level of...


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[Assistant] We kick it up a notch. We see what the regular season is. We talk about it in the basketball all the time. How, you know, your top playmakers come ready to play.


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[Assistant] And in this game, you've got a couple of guys who have been talking about


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[Assistant] For years, what it is to be in the playoffs, for what it is to be able to be at that highest level and to go out there and compete and be, and compete for championships. Guys like Joe Botonio, guys like Miles Garrett, guys like Denzel Ward, even guys, uh, you know, like Amari Cooper and people like that. Y'all, y'all been waiting for this.


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[Assistant] I've been talking about how this is what you wanted, this is how we gonna go get it, and now you here, and this is why I can care less about CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] You meanin' to tell me, Miles Garrett, you got a 12 year old back there, he just got a library card. Like he, he talkin' about big, these guys talk about Alabama versus Auburn and Michigan versus, man, y'all grown ass men, playin' all kind of taxes. Y'all got wives, kids.


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[Assistant] Come on bro, you should be, you should feel disrespected.


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[Assistant] That people is putting up 18 and 19 year old kids against y'all. They don't, they still living with their parents on their rookie deal. And these dudes are talking about you, listen, you got CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] Hey listen, I welcome CJ Stroud every single week and twice on Sunday. Like, I'ma tell you what, you got John, we already got did dirty by John Elway back in the day when he was young Elway.


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[Assistant] Yo, that's what that- people talk about CJ Strang like he's young anyway.


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[Assistant] They be like, listen, you don't want to see no smoke with CJ Stroud. But guess what? It's an opportunity for y'all to do something. Y'all been crying for it for years. Let's go out here and get it done. We on the road. You playing a nice little team full of young puppies. That's four years old. Let's go get this win. Get to the next week.


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[Assistant] You gonna have to earn that check too. I expect to see super duper


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[Assistant] I need to see where he at. Where's Jonathan Wells at too? I know they're picking him. They're picking these Texans over the Browns. They already said CJ Stroud is that guy. I need them on McNuggets. They need to tell me where they're picking at.


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[Assistant] Just barely missed. What? You look at it. You got it. You played the Ravens twice. You played the Steelers twice. Yeah. Even if even you take a look at the Bengals, you played them twice. They really didn't. They really didn't, um, you know, make the playoffs, but still still to the


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[Assistant] I look at, when I like playoffs, I like to see, I'm looking at them right now, and I like Nico Collins, I like what he did.


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[Assistant] When you look at guys who you can say on your team, and you break it down, you say, okay, who do the Texans got? Who do the Texans have that can just go to the next level? Now, if C.J. Stroud go to the next level and he wanna just become him overnight, alright then, like, he's just gonna become him. But you look at what the Browns can do with their corners.


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[Assistant] He's going to see a very high dose of man to man coverage with guys coming off the edge. I think Okoronko coming back is a thing. He didn't really do much in the game against the Bengals, but... The fact that he played, and I understand why.


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[Assistant] Tellman is out here cutting routes off. Every time I see him, he's looking back for these penalty flag, getting pushed out of bounds by somebody half his size and we throw an interception.


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[Assistant] And it all, like he said, it all depends on that second round game. Like, if you simulated it knowing what a computer would do.


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[Assistant] You simulated a second round game where the Browns played the Ravens, uh, maybe a hundred times. They may win at what?


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[Assistant] 40? I was, I was lower than that. Mine was about 30.


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[Assistant] Be just because of what the simulation would say about the Ravens in their defense of Lamar Jackson, especially because he's the one in the MVP.


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[Assistant] And the way they've been running the ball, they would pretty much give them that game. Now here's the thing.


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[Assistant] If the Browns don't end up having to play the Ravens, uh, in the second round, I think it gets much, much higher, much higher, you know, uh, statistical category where you think, alright, well they got a chance to win, especially if they get a u- now,


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[Assistant] I don't know how it works, like, you said you need all three teams to have an upset. For a home game. What is, what do you need all three teams to do to avoid the Ravens in the second round?


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[Assistant] It's like worse than Buckeye and Snow. Miami went one and five against playoff teams. Yeah, they're good. They're not going to. I remember last year they were playing against the Bills. It just, it just. Nah, they didn't have, they had like.


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[Assistant] The wild card is, the wild card to me is the fighting Taylor Swift. I just, I don't know if they're garbage.


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[Assistant] So what I'm asking is because usually what we do, we'd be like, listen, if you got early quarterback and it's like January, you got a shot.


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[Assistant] Insane. If Joe, if Deshaun Watson was playing, think about it, he'd be going back to Houston and it would be CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] Versus Deshaun Watson, and that thing, I don't know. I don't gotta, it's just, because that's the storyline, and can you imagine?


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[Assistant] For me, yes, I would. Just because you don't trust Dallas in the playoffs. Yeaah. The Lions play the Rams.


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[Assistant] Man, I'ma tell you, look, look- And he just got here. That's crazy, PJ. That's crazy. I would go-


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[Assistant] Jake from State Farm? Jake, well he ain't got no State Farm girlfriend. Shout out to that man. I don't know, I didn't know your game, I didn't know your work was like that. What was happening? Jake, your work? First of all, you letting your girl


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[Assistant] She is looking good. I enjoyed it. She is her own woman. He has got nothing to do with that.


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[Assistant] This is tough. I'ma just go with Peach. Go with Hunt. No, no, no, no, no. Let's just hope they never have the place.


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[Assistant] Just cut it off. Can you imagine what that would be like? Alright, we're gonna move on to our next topic.


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[Assistant] Breakout for me means confidence. Breakout for me means...


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[Assistant] Confidence in, in, in the coaching staff seeing, okay, this is a game setting.


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[Assistant] Now, maybe in one of our packages, instead of saying, I'm gonna put Goodwin in, or I'm gonna put, uh, uh, uh, uh, Cedric Tillman in. Hey, let's see what David Bell can do and see if he can catch the football. Cause for me, I'm gonna just tell you right now, all the stats that we, you know, we have, I don't care. Nothing about them no more.


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[Assistant] I don't care who throws for 300. I don't care if you catch four balls or two.


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[Assistant] I only care about whether or not you get a dub or not, or whether you are catching the ball when somebody throws it to you. And in the playoffs, we cannot have no, like,


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[Assistant] You gotta catch the ball, you gotta do your job. And maybe this means that he's ready to be put in, in a situation where in a tough spot he makes a cut. I do feel a little better about him today than I did yesterday.


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[Assistant] You know what's crazy? Jarvis did run a 4.7 at his best.


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[Assistant] I thought I never would say this, but they better hope Elijah Moore come back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, look, there was a play. I'm trying to think. It was against the Bears. It was running this jet motion.


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[Assistant] And, uh, the Browns have got killed on jet motion, whether, whether it's from the Steelers game, you can go back and look, look at it. They've been destroyed by that play. And the Bears ran that jet motion play and it's like third, I think it was like third and two or third and three. And he steps up and he makes his play in the backfield down. If you go back and look.


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[Assistant] Even Myles Garrett was, he's traditionally come, try to come underneath the block.


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[Assistant] And the guy runs right around him. Alex Wright makes that play in the backfield.


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[Assistant] And when you're a defensive ender, you're playing in space.


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[Assistant] They're playing out way wider than they used to be, so it was confined to Joe Woods. Usually he's in a five technique now.


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[Assistant] You can see the defensive ends in seven techniques, even nine techniques, way out. So you got more to look at. Playing in space is a little different. You gotta be able to feel stuff coming behind you. What blocks are they trying to do? And I think Alex Wright, you showed in the game.


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[Assistant] The ability, I thought he had a couple of sacks, like they only give him credit for one, but I thought he did a really tremendous job of, of going out there and I could say it's just JVs. When you playing with the JVs, you know you might get messed up a little bit and touched up.


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[Assistant] But at least Alex Wright was out there playing and he was like, no, uh, I'm a contributor.


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[Assistant] I, I rotate in, I gotta do something. And I thought it was kind of, kind of cool for Miles Garrett to say, hey, look bro, we, we watching you. We expect you to be doing something. So I think Alex Wright is going to be, uh, with, with Oboe, Ronco as far as one of the guys that come with them two waves. And, uh, I think


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[Assistant] They're gonna win and go as far as how well they play up.


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[Assistant] But, it all depends on what level the Browns secondary and the Browns, uh, up front are gonna do. If they both take it to the next level, I've seen teams like the Seattle Seahawks and the Legion of Boom, the No Fly Zone with Denver, I've seen teams like that just, you can't throw the ball.


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[Assistant] He's played that way for the last month. You're going to see, you're going to see if you put those sack numbers back up, um, with all four of those guys. I mentioned this yesterday, Eugene.


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[Assistant] All four of those guys right here, off, uh, Garrett, Zedaria, Smith, Alex Wright, watching the playoffs, you're going to see a boatload of, of, of pass rush opportunities with all four of those guys.


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[Assistant] Matter of fact, all five of these guys will be...


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[Assistant] In the nickel package. And then J-O-K.


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[Assistant] There's some things that I believe that they're gonna do with him as one of their linebackers on the field. He's the guy that blitzed their five-man rushes. So these guys right here, if you look at that, look at the opportunity to have Zedariah Smith who's really good inside as a three technique during these past rush opportunities.


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[Assistant] I think Alex Wright will be inside and I think what you'll start to see again, there's some things that Jim Short saved.


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[Assistant] Uhm, with Miles Garret. I think he saved a little bit of it. Like the basketball plays, I thought it got too hot. Like, people started to be like, oh my gosh, what is Miles Garret doing? It's way too early for that. He's like, shut that down. Shut that, we're giving away way too much stuff. I think you're gonna see all five of those guys. And by the way, Taki Taki, who would have thought that he was gonna be


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[Assistant] A really pivotal, he's a pivotal piece of what they're doing. He's the Mike Linebacker.


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[Assistant] He's played better in that nickel package more than our Anthony Walker.


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[Assistant] He took a, he took a, he took a funny little angle. He took some, did some...


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[Assistant] He took some weird angles to the football a little bit in pursuit. Uh, there was a couple of times he got, they got beat, Mitchell got beat during, in the scene. I think, uh, I, I don't look too much into it cause Hickman is a guy, when I've seen him play with other, other starters and ones, he's, he's shown up and he look like he, he's not out of place.


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[Assistant] But is he, is he hurt? Is he good? I don't know what his status is.


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[Assistant] I thought that was funny. When we was in that chat, boy, I said, aw, this is, we all knew it. Like, it wasn't no like.


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[Assistant] Hey listen, hey listen, that's when you really do gotta go to your back and be like, look, you need to check this down in the worst way.


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[Assistant] Is it time to re-evaluate this, this, uh, Trevor Lawrence?


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[Assistant] I mean, cause we put Trevor Lawrence, we put a lot of, a lot of medals around his neck. We talked about him, we talked, kinda talked about him, like he's in that, that next aisle.


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[Assistant] Easy one. He's your man. Come on, you had that game done. Think about how we think about it now. Now, we, that's why I say the Texans, they play well, but, but the Colts, you could say they fumbled the bag on that one. Well, remember the Texas


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[Assistant] Even if they give the extinction, you gotta look at it like this. He did the best he could do with what he got.


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[Assistant] Their quarterback issue is not gonna get better. Like, like, you, you swung a miss on, on old boy.


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[Assistant] This, this is not sustainable. And guess what? Next year you come back, all that goodwill you built up because you get teams to keep playing hard. At some point you're going to have to need a quarterback to really compete. And I don't think you want to go. Russell Wilson's going to be on a new team next year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'll give credit where credit is due. You know, I'll be, I'll be tough on Jared Allen.


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[Assistant] But for the last, I would say month, month and a half.


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[Assistant] Jared Allen has been playing well. He's been dunking everything by the rim. He's been aggressive. Uh, he's had games where he has 16, 17, 18, almost 20 points in the first half. Uhm, you know, he's back to looking like


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[Assistant] You know, what Jared Adler looked like before they drafted Evan Mobley. And I think this is a gift and a curse because what it, what it says is


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[Assistant] You can only really play one of them together. That's my point too. You can only play one of them together.


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[Assistant] Evan Mobley is, is, is a, has more upside, so it puts you in a position where it's like, okay, can you bring him off the bench?


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[Assistant] If, if, if, if we move Donald and Mitchell and Mobley to the Lakers. Oh, now see that changes, my gracious. No, no, to, to Lakers. I want LeBron and Reeves.


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[Assistant] Now, now, the difficult part about it is, I don't, I don't know if there's Garland, it's projection, like, you're projecting that this guy's gonna be as good as he is, like, Evan Mobley, if you look at it, if you watch him play at USC, he's not fluent like that, like,


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[Assistant] He's not Bow Bow. He doesn't have, I don't even think he has a skill set like Thon Maker. And these guys aren't that good. Or Chet Holmgren. Those guys shoot threes fluently. We're not even gonna talk about Wimby, right? Who's the kid with the rockets? That guy. Sangoon. Sangoon. These guys...


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[Assistant] He's been more aggressive. I think Jared Allen's been way more aggressive than I've been more. I think Jared, I think Jared needed this.


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[Assistant] I think they could blend that way if both of them are playing like top 5 defensive big.


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[Assistant] You can make some stuff up offensive. We're all gonna get sick from Jason now.


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[Assistant] We all know, we be playing dumb. We all know how this ends. We've had LeBron and Kyrie. What are you guys talking about? Like, LeBron made his mind up when he was like 5 and he was gonna leave. Kyrie was always leaving. He's going to continue to leave. Listen, Kawhi Leonard won a championship.


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[Assistant] And was like, peace out homie, I'm going back to LA. We know where this ends, so just get in front of it.


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[Assistant] It was crazy. We'll talk Flacco in one second. I want to add one more thing to the atmosphere last night, then we'll move on. But, you guys know I live downtown. I could hear the stadium from my apartment when they started hitting the chairs or the trash cans, whatever that was.


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[Assistant] I thought it was so loud and I live about half a mile away. I thought the train was going by. I literally, I was like...


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[Assistant] The train doesn't run this late, what the hell's going on? And then the next third down it happened again, then I put two and two together.


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[Assistant] I don't have words to describe how cool Cleveland is when the Browns are good. It takes a city from being amazing to maybe one of the best cities in the entire country.


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[Assistant] And I haven't had a chance to experience this and I'm not sure if anyone else has who is around my age too. This level of Browns football outside of COVID.


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[Assistant] Two, uh, two or more touchdowns for Flacco. Two and a half receptions for Elijah Moore. A one dollar wager.


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[Assistant] Winner of the day. Let's talk about Joe Flacco though, guys, because he continues to just amaze us, rewrite record books, first quarterback in NFL history.


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[Assistant] With five games in a row of 250 yards and five touchdowns with a new team. I'm running out of words to describe his performance. Jason called him Lebron James S where you just shrug and say,


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[Assistant] Real quick, one more Flacco stat, then we'll talk a little bit about defense, but he is now one of just one, two, three, four quarterbacks ever to throw.


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[Assistant] For 1600 yards and 13 touchdowns in any given calendar month. Joining Jim Kelly from 1991, Peyton Manning who did it three times, 2013, 2014, 2018, and Patrick Mahomes in 2018.


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[Assistant] Sorry, Mannington, I saw the PM. Bad job out of me. Four quarterbacks to ever throw.


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[Assistant] Yes. Look at this list. 38 year old Joe Flacco is on the same list with Mahomes, Manning, and Jim Kelly. It is frankly absurd.


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[Assistant] minimal success outside of a couple of priest hall runs. But defensively, this is three games in a row. You go back to Chicago.


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[Assistant] Didn't really allow a touchdown in Chicago. The only two touchdowns Chicago scored were on a pick six and on a gift raft one yard touchdown against Houston.


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[Assistant] No touchdowns till garbage time. There are only real points before garbage time was the kick return touchdown. And outside of the opening drive last night, they completely held the Jets in check.


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[Assistant] We've all come back around. I asked this question on the post game show, I'm curious what you guys think. Despite all the injuries to this round's defense, there has never been


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[Assistant] A catastrophic drop off from a starter down. Now the only time you could make the case was when Denzel Ward went out against Denver and St. Louis, or against the Rams. Yea, that was a big deal.


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[Assistant] No, that's fair, but like they still have lost Delpit for an extended period of time. And you have guys who came in, just like Ronnie Hickman, who you mentioned, Harmon, you lose Ogba on the outside and Alex Wright now has three sacks in three games. He was Anthony Walker, Taki Taki comes in and has 16 tackles.


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[Assistant] And yea, Denzel Ward against Denver and the Rams was an issue. I'm not saying it wasn't, but.


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[Assistant] One more name that we have to give some kudos to, and I want to throw it back, when the Browns played the 49ers in Week 6.


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[Assistant] I was like, how do you figure out how to stop Brock Purdy? And I was like, well, he throws a lot of tip passes. And I mentioned Shelby Harris as a guy.


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[Assistant] Who gets his hand up, he led the browns and tipped passes, and there was only two at that time, but I was like this guy throughout his career has been really good.


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[Assistant] Another batted pass. He's third in the NFL in batted passes this season with like 300 fewer snaps than the leaders.


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[Assistant] Who had a Kareem Hunt anytime touchdown, a Cleveland defense anytime touchdown, Joe Flax alternate passing yards over 300, Jerome Ford over 25 rushing yards and David Njoku over 50 receiving yards. It would have been even higher if an Amari Cooper anytime touchdown didn't get voided, but he bet $6 and 50 cents.


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[Assistant] Jerome Ford, Pierre Strong, Hunt, all showed signs of life and a much needed boost in that aspect.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can confirm that without even looking. He definitely is a team in touchdowns. He has, on the season...


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[Assistant] Nine rushing touchdowns and does he have a receiving touchdown? No, he does not have a receiving touchdown.


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[Assistant] Injoku has 6, Cooper has 5, Ford has 5 receiving 4 rushing, Karim has 9 rushing.


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[Assistant] Well, I have a question for you guys. Now, Njoku was on pace very early on to set the single game tight end record, which is held by Shannon Sharper 212. He didn't have a big second half. He had 128 of his 130.


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[Assistant] But he had 128 yards like 40 minutes into the game and only had 10 yards the rest of the game.


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[Assistant] 10 minutes into the game. Or 10 minutes into the game with 40 minutes to go and then only ahead. Yes, you're right. But, it got me thinking and, we look at Injoku and especially what he's done in the last couple weeks.


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[Assistant] I think Injoku's quickly climbing the ladder of guys who are looked at.


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[Assistant] Because right, I mean, right now, when you look around the league, like at the best tight ends in football, I think Joku's in the conversation. He's not one. Yeaah. But he's in the conversation right now in that second tier.


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[Assistant] As it stands right now, he's 7th. Like right now, he's 7th all time.


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[Assistant] Awesome. Bernie, thank you as always. Let's get into some super chats today. We have a bunch and we appreciate everyone. Also, we ask for likes. You guys delivered and keep hitting the like button. We appreciate it. But the first super chat comes from P Williams, who says, Earl the Pearl deserves a show montage.


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[Assistant] And replay of his awesome call going 5-0 down the stretch. Awesome Earl, if they play the starters and beat Cincy, you're the man in my book forever. Earl, we're sending our well wishes and thoughts to you and your family today. Who's going through a little bit of a medical situation. Brian Rizzo, seven wins against teams that have a 500 or better record.


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[Assistant] Bobby G says the number two rating today looks better, doesn't it? Hashtag playoffs. Halim Youssef.


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[Assistant] Says, I love David and Joku, but Jason, please ask him and the coaches why he holds the ball like a loaf of bread and doesn't hold it on top. It's an easy fix. He hasn't done it for years. It may cost us a Superbowl at this point and Tivus.


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[Assistant] Real quick, but you mentioned something before the show about how Njoku carries the rock.


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[Assistant] Peter R says the Browns are finally back. No more misery after 20 years. Kevin and AB will keep this team relevant for the next decade. This is the team my ancestors told me used to exist in the 80s. Let's go.


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[Assistant] Warlord0311 says, what a time to be a fan. Go Brownies. Hashtag day one fan. OpMethod says, if Joe wants to come back, he needs to be our starter. Time to swallow egos. Watson is the future. But look what Aaron learned from Brett Favre.


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[Assistant] Joe, I'll buy you a quarter zip. Cause you've won that one seven times.


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[Assistant] Uh, next up, Davante Travis said, did you see after the Hickman interception, Garrett tapped him like, good play bro. Like Tyba says.


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[Assistant] Alright, well moving on. Duntavious Winston says, still can't believe Mikey wants Flacco to be the only starter playing next week. That's a lie. I wanna multiply. I'm not ruining this momentum. I'm not ruining this momentum.


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[Assistant] Simple says last night was electric, but if the Ravens somehow fall through and the Browns win the division, how much more electric can that stadium be for a home playoff game?


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[Assistant] And our last super chat comes from bowl's best friend, dank nasty ass master, who says, if flaco is the elite dragon and joku is the elite phoenix, being reborn through fire.


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[Assistant] That's the end of the week it feels like, you know what I mean? But Christmas being on a Monday, now you have a whole week almost between Christmas and New Years, it just feels a little different.


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[Assistant] Uh, we got a lot to get to today. Leroy is going to join us in a little bit. We'll go to Mike in a second for the, for the, we got a big fan duel ticket for you. We're going to get all into the Browns big win. Obviously we did a show yesterday. Hope you enjoyed that. We did that show from home.


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[Assistant] Uh, you guys have the post game show on Sunday. Everybody's going wild. We'll talk about the Ravens win. We'll talk about it all in just a second. I don't know if you guys agree with this though. I feel like


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[Assistant] That there are, there's a lot more, in terms of even on Christmas Eve,


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[Assistant] And the, and the week of this week, there's a lot more. I felt like when I was a kid,


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[Assistant] I was the chee- no. Yea, I was the chiefs. I scored a touchdown right away, I'm up 6-0, I missed the extra point, and then he scored 29 unanswered points.


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[Assistant] Basketball. Acting. Acting. Basketball.


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[Assistant] Although he's five feet tall now, but I'm still eight inches taller than him, seven inches taller. We've played. Are you gonna be sad when he beats you?


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[Assistant] And how tall is your daughter? My daughter is, what, four, she's short as well, five, five. Is she a really good shooter?


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[Assistant] Alright guys, coming up later, we got a real quick Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show Fantasy Football League. Uh, I got beaten by G. Bush and Tyvis defeated Steve.


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[Assistant] He put my team on his back. Thank you, Amari. He did. So it'll be Amari Cooper, or Amari Cooper. It'll be Tyvis against G. Bush for the championship. So there you go. Uh, we'll talk more about, we got to hear more later about Mike's, uh,


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[Assistant] Are the Browns a legit super, a legit contender to make the Super Bowl?


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[Assistant] The Browns obviously are Super Bowl contenders. They're not Super Bowl favorites, but they're Super Bowl contenders with a 100% uhm,


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[Assistant] Everything about this season is weird. Nothing about this season makes sense. There's so many things about the Browns.


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[Assistant] That if you hadn't watched this team all year and you just saw some of the statistics on paper, you'd say no, of course this team's not a Super Bowl contender. There's so many things about them, but nothing about this season makes sense. And if you watch this team every week, and you watch enough of the rest of the league, then clearly the Browns are a Super Bowl contender. I was thinking about this, like, if you picked playoff teams,


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[Assistant] They'd make top, you know, we're going to 12 now and in the NFL you'd have more than four. So I don't know, would you have them in the top four? I think I would have them just out of the top four, but I'd have them in the top eight. I would have.


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[Assistant] Chiefs? No. Not the Chiefs. Dolphins? Cowboys? We can't just be prison enrollment, we can't just be just about the last game. Eagles? Or at least it shouldn't be, what? Put the Eagles in there. I'm the Eagles, Detroit. I'll tell you, right now, right now, and maybe I'm being a little prison enrollment. The Browns is three. I would go Miami three. I think I'd put the Browns.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I just think, I'm not looking, I'm looking at, just looking at the teams. I think the Dolphins are a little more well balanced right now than the Browns, because the Browns can't run the ball, the Dolphins can't run the ball.


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[Assistant] I think I would put either the Browns, the Cowboys, or the Lions for me would be four. I, I think the Browns are in the top six. I, I, I, I would have to think about it more to find out exactly where I put them, but they're in the top six.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's funny, if you look at the numbers compared to Deshaun Watson, and at this point they've played about the same amount this year, statistically,


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[Assistant] Outside of the total yardage where Flacco's way ahead of Watson, statistically they're real close. Like, Watson's actually got a little better completion percentage.


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[Assistant] Watson's got 8 touchdowns, 6 turnovers. Uh, Joe Flacco 10 touchdowns, 8 turnovers. Their QBRs are similar, Flacco's is better.


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[Assistant] But I feel like watching them, that Flacko's played significantly better than Watt.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, we forgot about the bills. Cause the bills are playing great. I know they didn't beat the Chargers by a lot, but they look, I-I-I'm actually...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he's, but he's playing. By the time the Browns would play them, he's probably okay, but.


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[Assistant] To not, because it's not like they're deep. They have those two guys who are great.


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[Assistant] I thought I read that he might be done for the season. It's like a high ankle sprain right? I don't know. I don't know what it was.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the thing, it's like college football playoff committee. What's more important, the head-to-head? Obviously the Browns won that game. Overall, I think it's fair to argue the Niners have played a little better than the Browns this year. Overall, as a more balanced, you know, they've won more decisively more often.


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[Assistant] And, uh, by the way, speaking of the AFC North real quick, how about the beat down the Steelers put on the Bengals?


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[Assistant] Okay, so here's the question. You wanna do it? I wanna ask it to you cuz I want all you guys to


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[Assistant] I don't like their chances as much, but I think they still are.


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[Assistant] Your argument about why the other guys are able to have success is dead on. You're right. The reason they're able to have success is because Miles Garrett. Those guys are nowhere close to Miles Garrett.


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco is more important because the offense right now without Joe Flacco would be the worst offense in the league.


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[Assistant] I mean, the best team in football is the Ravens and Lamar Jackson is playing great. What about the defense? The defense is playing great too. What about San Francisco?


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[Assistant] The Browns, the Browns would still have a lot of talent on defense. Obviously it would hurt them without Myles Garrop but they would still have a lot of talent. On offense, the offense is dead now without Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] Look, even this week, you know, I'm side barring a little bit, but this week...


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[Assistant] So Riley Patterson was a guy who was with the Lions. He was a Lions kicker for most of the year. He had been doing well and then I think he had a really terrible game either last week or the week before. I don't know what happened to this guy and they just cut him after he'd been really good for them. Mike, what was his last game he played for Detroit, Riley Patterson?


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[Assistant] They don't kick a lot of field goals because they go for it on fourth down I think more than any other team in the Lions.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he hasn't been around that long. He's pretty young, isn't he? Third year. We just need him for two games.


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[Assistant] Well, we don't know what Dustin Hopkins' situation is, but at least it's a guy who's been kicking in the league this year. Have we gotten any update on Hopkins yet?


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[Assistant] Okay, Dustin Hopkins has been great, uh, if they don't have him for the playoffs, I'm not feeling, I don't like that.


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[Assistant] I don't think Bull agreed to that. I'll give him memberships too. By the way, it's not supposed to be terrible Thursday night. As of now, overcast, but no rain. See that? Low near 40 and not heavy winds.


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[Assistant] I don't care about the rest of regular season, but I think we'd all agree


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[Assistant] On yesterday's show, somebody brought up the Browns championships pre-superbowl. And I was like, who cares? And I often say that because


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[Assistant] To me, there's a clear line of delineation in all sports of, of,


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[Assistant] When the comparison of the championships is different. And for the NFL, it's the Super Bowl. The league was different. When the Browns won championships pre-Super Bowl, they were competing against a lot less teams. It was a totally different world.


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[Assistant] But, I think when I say that, it, it can come off a little harsh and dismissive of the players who played in that time and what they accomplished.


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[Assistant] And I know Otto Graham's family still lives in the area, and I just wanted to make it clear that I don't mean to diminish


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[Assistant] How great a player Otto Graham was and what he accomplished for the city and at the time was a great player and won championships and deserves all credit. I just think it's a, I can't compare it to the Super Bowl era. That's all I'm saying. It's not, I, but I came off harsh and I don't want to diminish.


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[Assistant] Alright, listen, I'm less worried about the putter. I know, uh, Bojorquez has been good, but, I don't know, I just feel like there's more pressure being a kicker.


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[Assistant] That's ridiculous, cause it's special themes technically or whatever. Uh, we got Leroy coming at 12, right?


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[Assistant] The Browns might be in a situation where they have to keep a second kicker on the active roster in the playoff.


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[Assistant] Because you can't afford, if, if Dustin Hopkins is dealing with a hamstring injury and he tweaks it in a playoff game, you can't afford not to have a guy who can kick.


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[Assistant] Now maybe this Matt Hawke, whatever his name is, maybe he can, you know, but Horquez couldn't kick for whatever reason. Maybe this Matt Hawke is, maybe the part of the reason they're considering him is because he can also kick in an emergency.


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[Assistant] Right, you don't need to. Yeaah. Right. But, uh, yeaah, I mean it's gonna be interesting to see how they handle it. Let me ask you guys a question real quick.


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[Assistant] Before we bring Leroy in when he comes in. We'll have a longer conversation about this at some point, either later this week or maybe early next week.


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[Assistant] Odds are the Browns are going to be the five seed. Uh, the only way they could fall below that is if they lose multiple games.


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[Assistant] Because even if they finish tied with Buffalo, who's the only team within a game of them,


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[Assistant] You know, realistically, the Browns are gonna be the five seed unless they win out and the Ravens lose out. And I would think after what we saw from the Ravens yesterday, it's unlikely they're gonna lose. You never know!


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[Assistant] But I'd say, I think the Browns are like, it's 85% that they're gonna be the 5 seed. It seems like almost a sure thing. Now, which means they're gonna play at the 4 seed. The 4 seed is likely to be...


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[Assistant] Right now, who would you want the Browns to play? The Colts? The Texans? The Jags? Jags. I want to play the Jags.


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[Assistant] I mean, CJ Stroud spit out two weeks with a concussion. You assume he'd be back.


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence is dealing with an injury and they're not playing well.


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[Assistant] They're not the same team with CJ Stroud as they are with Cades Keenum. Uhm, I would actually rather play the Colts. That's what I said.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know the Jags are not playing well right now, but I bet they're right. My gut tells me they're right.


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[Assistant] Hey Leroy. Really? One guy who's really developed this year.


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[Assistant] And taking his game to, I hate to use the cliche, but I will, another level.


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[Assistant] That's David Najoku. Uh, he might have, he might get 900 yards this year, which would, you know, for a fight end.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's going to make the Pro Bowl. He's got a career high six touchdowns, a career high 750 yards. What are you seeing in his game? What has taken him from kind of a decent tight end to a very good tight end this year? Quarterback.


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[Assistant] Who would be a bigger loss? Okay. As crazy as this question would have been before the season, it's a legitimate question now.


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[Assistant] Who would be a bigger loss in terms of the Browns chances of winning a Super Bowl this year? Joe Flacco or Miles Garrett?


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[Assistant] But, but I would, in the end, I would argue Leroy that take out the Sean because he's not playing, he's not an option.


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[Assistant] Okay. PJ Walker and DTR. First of all, we just got a text from Jason who said, DTR's on crutches in the locker room. Yeah, everyone tweeted that too. For what? What's that?


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[Assistant] Well, but he, DTR played like 3-4 plays in this game. I don't know. They must have taken a hit or something. But like, E.J. Walker is maybe the worst quarterback in football. That's, if they had a decent backup at this point, then I'd agree with you guys on Miles Garrett, but I don't think they do.


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[Assistant] That's even more imperative to keep Black Aldi. And by the way, if the Browns win Thursday, and if the Ravens beat the Dolphins, then the Browns are locked into the five spot.


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[Assistant] And they will not play flaco against the bangles in that case. I can't imagine.


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[Assistant] I think in the end, these questions are always, no offense Mike, because we do them all the time, and I just think it's a stupid question, because you could always go, well, this one guy disrespects my guy, so I'd say he's underrated. How do you really know how everybody, you know, what's...


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[Assistant] I think that, I think that Mark Cooper is in the bottom hand. I think this year,


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[Assistant] He's kind of moved maybe back into the bottom end of the top ten. He's not, he's not in the super elite category. He's not in the conversation with, with Jefferson and Chase and Tyreek Hill and AJ Brown.


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[Assistant] Uh, who am I forgetting in the Super Elite category? Anybody?


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[Assistant] I think AJ Brown is four. Does anybody disagree with that?


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[Assistant] I'm just thinking in general, like, if I'm ranking receivers right, you know, yeaah, I mean, the current year's gonna play a role into it, certainly, but I, I just, it's more like, whether you have a Mario Cooper 6 or 8 or 10 or 12 or 14, whatever, wherever you wanna put him,


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[Assistant] Like, I, I, for me, it doesn't even matter. It's like, there's levels, right? There's, to me, the super elites are Jefferson, Jason Hill. I, I think they're almost, I think Adams was in that group, but he's no longer. And then,


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[Assistant] Probably the next, and, and, or you can argue that maybe AJ Brown, maybe Stefan Diggs are in that group.


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[Assistant] And then I think CD Lamb, and then I think Amari. After those guys, I think Amari is in the argument with anybody else.


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[Assistant] I, I, I, maybe there's some casual fans that don't...


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[Assistant] That's just me. He's the back end. I mean, over the last five years, well now you're putting guys like Cooper Cup ahead of him. You're putting Devonte Adams ahead of him.


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[Assistant] Well, Cooper, yeaah, but Hopkins hasn't been better in the last five years either.


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[Assistant] He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a part, he's a, he's not, again.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb and, or maybe I said it yesterday, I don't remember. Nick Chubb and, and, uh, Mark Cooper, kinda similar type of guys. Did I say that yesterday? Don't talk. Very effective, but don't talk.


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[Assistant] There's no flash to their game. No. They just go out there, do the right thing all the time, they don't make stupid mistakes, like they just, and I think Flacco in a way, he's not in a way, like Flacco's a gunslinger, or at least he's playing like one now.


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[Assistant] But he's also another guy like Chubb, like Cooper, who there's no flash to his game. It's like, he's not...


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[Assistant] And listen, I'm not saying you don't want to do that stuff, although I gotta say, I said it on our tech, by the way, I was complaining about something in our text chat yesterday and either Mike or Jason said, well don't you have anything else to complain about?


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[Assistant] I feel like I've asked him that before but I don't remember. Cause it's been a while.


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[Assistant] When you grow up, watch it. Listen, if guys celebrate, that's fine, whatever, but I like when a guy's just like, eh.


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[Assistant] This is what I do. No, I'm in the, I'm flashing. But you gotta admit, so this all started when I said, I cannot stand now, this new thing that the defensive teams do, where every time there's a turnover, they have to run to the end zone. Oh, that's hard. That's fire. It's awful. That's fire.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, so I said, uh, what did I say here? I said, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, is there anything worse than teams running 70 yards after a turnover just to celebrate in the end zone? And I said, what is with this, Tyvis? But obviously you were sleeping, so you didn't. I said, just bleep and celebrate while you make the play.


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[Assistant] It's not nice, but I'm telling you. Uh, so, so Jason goes, anything else you hate, you want to get off your chest? I said, people that take up two spots in a parking lot, both New York football teams.


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[Assistant] Uh, girls that are showing off their boobs, but roll their eyes at you when you look because you're not the guy they wanted to show them off to.


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[Assistant] Like some girl is dressed sexy, and you're like looking at her, and she gives you that, ugh.


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[Assistant] Then I said every television show on ABC, Fox, CBS or NBC. Mark Sanchez, Donald Trump's hair. I said something else next which I won't say. People who claim they told me something nine months ago on Twitter about sports and claim they were proven right, like how would I?


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[Assistant] But what, I'm curious as to what of the things I said do people think I'm out of pocket about.


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[Assistant] Come on, everybody, no Browns fan likes Nick Sirianni's face.


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[Assistant] Isn't he from Ohio though? Maybe that's it. Is he?


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. There's something about his face. Listen, I'm sure there's a lot of people who see my face and want to punch me in the face. News anchor.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. Has you ever seen a news anchor that was funny? Ever? Jay Crawford.


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[Assistant] He's not a news anchor either. He's a, he's a, whatever it's called. By the way, I saw this video on Instagram. This is how that conversation started. I tweeted a video or I put a video in our chat about this guy was talking about something. He looked like a, like Mike Holt's British twin brother.


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[Assistant] Is Jay the least funny guy in the show? No, he's hilarious. Jay's funny. I think Jay's funny.


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[Assistant] What's a bigger loss, Dustin Hopkins or Miles Garrett?


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[Assistant] If you were making a list before this Sunday's game of the top ten


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[Assistant] It's a pretty big loss. Now in the end, if this guy Patterson


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[Assistant] Well, they could play the Ravens in the second round, though. I mean, they could play them in the championship game. If the Ravens are the one seed...


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[Assistant] And the Browns are the only road team that wins in the first round, and the Browns and Ravens will play in the second round. In the second round, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Partly because of Joe Placco. That's a big difference.


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[Assistant] That's overtime. Alright. He was a prospect at one point. We'll see you on overtime. See you later everybody.


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[Assistant] To the Christmas decorations. To me, it's through the first weekend after New Year's Eve.


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[Assistant] That's bizarre. I actually have to write one check every three months for my sewer bill. You can't pay that online for whatever reason.


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[Assistant] I'm not interested, listen, I, I, again, like we said with Jarvis Landry, there's no downside necessarily, you know, beyond who maybe you'd cut off the roster, but I saw the stat for my man Cleve T.A., he said, he said, who said, because somebody had said, it might have been Earl in our chat group said, well, the Jets offensive line's bad, which is true, although Brice Hall's been pretty good, on, uh, uh, you know, they have stats for everything, of course, so.


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[Assistant] On all NFL running on runs, where this perfect...


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[Assistant] He is bottom ten in the league in yards per carry in those situations. Bottom ten in the league!


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, just says he has a bottom 10 lowest yards per carry among all NFL running backs on perfectly blocked runs. So it's not his offensive line.


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[Assistant] I guess there could be some subjectivity to it, but it's clear, it's not going to be to the point where, okay, that was a disaster by the offensive line. It's kind of like our PFF grades, right? It's a number. It's a number. And then the standard numbers for him are not good. Obviously his yards per carry is awful. His efficiency numbers are bad. And if you look back


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[Assistant] At the analytics of his numbers last year, in Minnesota he had already started to decline, and that's why they cut him, essentially.


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[Assistant] Right, Baltimore doesn't really, has like one back right now. Kansas City's got two of their three backs hurt. This is, this is. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Right? Uh, and Flacco and Kareem Hunt hadn't played, whereas Dalvin Cook has played this year and he's been arguably one of the worst back in the league. Good point. What was Cook's numbers last year? Do you have them available?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's possible. Not a bad idea. And in the end, I don't think they're gonna sign him, but...


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[Assistant] Again, anybody you sign at this time of the year, it's no money, or essentially no money, and there's no risk. The Browns today signed a veteran offensive lineman, who's from your hometown, Roger Saffold.


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[Assistant] Hit the last two years at age 33 and 34 were his only Pro Bowl season. He had never been a Pro Bowler before that.


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[Assistant] Nice. Oh, okay. He signed with the Jets on October 31st, so he'd been out of the league. He was not retiring. I read that he said he wasn't retired. What info do you have from the agent?


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[Assistant] Like the Browns, if anything, need a tackle. And he, he came out of college as a tackle his first three years, but for the last decade, he's played guard. Oh, oh good.


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[Assistant] Said they were signing him to put him on the roster. And that didn't happen though.


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[Assistant] By the way, we got, I think we should show Leroy the video we just played and get his analysis on that guy as a running back.


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[Assistant] But even then, because Alabama. Leroy, sorry to cut you off, but two things. First of all,


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[Assistant] What the hell was Alabama thinking on that last play of the game in overtime?


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, Coram was fantastic on the touchdown run through with it. How good is he going to be in the NFL? You think he's going to be a big time back? Or no?


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[Assistant] You said, you talked about what you just mentioned there. He's got, his patience is not there.


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[Assistant] I actually thought he must have been listening to you last week because I thought this pass game was his best game I've seen him play and I thought for the first time he showed vision and patience that we have not seen from him. Did you see that? Did you? Am I crazy or did you see that?


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[Assistant] By the way, do you know the Browns spread for this week? It's almost impossible to predict.


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[Assistant] I'm putting my name out there. I'm putting my name out there. I don't think that's the reason. I think that's a stupid, I mean I get it, but that's silly. I don't think Kevin Stefanski cares about that.


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[Assistant] Listen, neither of these guys is any good. The only reason I'd start Driscoll is because...


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[Assistant] Oh, stop, stop. We know what is a winner. Stop. I don't care about his record. The record is, that's not an indication of how well he played. Uh, I'd start Driscoll because if God forbid, uh, something happens to Joe Flacco in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I gotta decide which guy I can play. Yeaah. Now, the bottom line is, the Browns can't win. If Joe Flacco missed an entire game, it's over. Even the Browns can't survive that. These two guys can't win a playoff game against a good team. But!


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[Assistant] If I need one of those guys for a series or two plays.


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[Assistant] The fact that Driscoll, Mike just said Driscoll's talking tomorrow. That means to me he's playing. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yes. Yes, they're actually, and uh, I can't remember who the second quarterback is.


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[Assistant] But the year that Deshaun Kaiser was named the starting quarterback for the Browns.


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[Assistant] That's your, but you know, I think the game that doesn't matter. You know why that one was worse? Because that one was to be the starter for games that mattered. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, this is the first time in at least 30 years that the Browns are playing a game where they're in the playoffs, but it doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] I don't care what. It's highly unlikely. I don't care how good a game Driscoll does. I'm starting Joe Flack.


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[Assistant] Wait a second, Mike, let's be honest. When Mike asked me the question, I had two answers. I had three. I said two, and I said, let me know if anybody else has one of my answers, and I'll go with the other.


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[Assistant] I will say real quick though, Kevin Stavanski won 37 games in four years, right? 37 games in four years in the regular season. In the 12 years before he was here, the Browns won 51 games.


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[Assistant] So both of your choices are great. Andrew, I wouldn't take your choice because I already liked Kevin Stavansky so he didn't change my mind. That's why I didn't.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Andrew Berry was a great choice. He was my 1A1B with this guy. But to me, it's a no-brainer. It's Jeremiah Owusu-Koromoa. Oh, that's a good one. Who nobody can pronounce. No, no, that's a really good one. I mean, we had De'Quel Jackson.


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[Assistant] One of their best linebackers in the history of the franchise. Guy knows football inside and out. He's a regular guest on our show. Say this guy should be cut. Dequel was not, and I don't say that to knock Dequel at all. I love Dequel and I'm so happy for him.


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[Assistant] He was not, when he came on our show, he wasn't like some, he wasn't like Leroy or me, who was like emotional and like, cut this guy, get rid of that. By the way, he was almost never critical. Never, never, certainly not to that degree. And J.O.K. as a rookie was fine, he was a decent player. Last year, he was hideous.


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[Assistant] He was, it was so bad, we all were like, this guy can't play. And now, outside, I mean, you could argue, he's the third


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[Assistant] I think you went from a guy who, who last year was unstartable to a guy who is, again, I'm not an authority of the linebackers on other teams, I just know the Browns and the Bengals well, as, you know, better than most teams, but


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[Assistant] He's gotten better as the season's gone along. There's a lot of players who are good in September and as the year goes on and teams adjust and you get banged up, they go in the opposite direction. This guy is the opposite. He was really, he was good in the beginning of the year and he's been sensational in the second half of the year and I thought he was nothing.


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[Assistant] I don't think it is, but I think people are going to be surprised how close they are. I will tell you this, obviously age is a factor here, but I said it, I kind of alluded to this about a month ago, and now even more so, I would not trade David Najoku for Travis Kelce right now.


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[Assistant] Jay, I think your answer's a good one. The only reason I would put J.O.K. ahead of Nijoku in this is that Nijoku in my mind went from O.K. Yeah, you're right.


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[Assistant] To excellent, whereas JLK went from the trash to absolute.


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[Assistant] This is a tricky one and opens a can of worms, but I would say Deshaun Watson. Yeah, I would too. If it's the only guy I could think of. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I don't think they've ever played in the postseason. No, they haven't.


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[Assistant] No, no they didn't. We forgot about, I forgot, I was thinking it had to be more than that because the Bengals have been around for more than 50 years, but the Browns weren't around for the three years.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's better off being a backup, I would think.


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[Assistant] If it is true, it tells you about how good the rating system is.


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[Assistant] He, they were given his stats, I was, the other day on the broadcast, it was like insanity. His high school football numbers.


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[Assistant] What, like, it's silly when a team wins a few bogus games with, with a bunch of guys missing. That is meaningless. But I will say this. I think I and most other people were completely wrong.


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[Assistant] About the Donovan Mitchell trade. I think the Donovan Mitchell trade in the long run, as good as he is, and he's a great player, he's an all-star.


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[Assistant] The Donovan Mitchell trade has not, I think, not been good for the Cavaliers. I think it, it, and I don't even blame him, I just


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[Assistant] I think it has stunted the growth of the, of the young players on this team who actually, I think, wanna be here.


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[Assistant] We- Donovan Mitchell doesn't want to be here, and you can pretend all you want that he does, but if he did, he would have signed an extension. He doesn't want to be here, he's made that perfectly obvious, and I know there's a segment of fanbase, Paul, you don't know shit about the NBA, you're right, I don't know that much about the NBA, I'm not lying, but I know enough.


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[Assistant] I love trading for superstars. I think it makes a lot of sense in most cases, but I think I was completely wrong. I think this has hurt the franchise. It has set it back. It's going to lose. It's going to lead to the firing of the coach. It may lead to the firing of the GM.


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[Assistant] That's clear. I, I and many others peop- many of the people ignored that. But it is clear that they don't fit well together. I don't like the fact that I- when people were criticizing Deshaun Watson for not playing with an injury, I thought that was absurd.


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[Assistant] When he's sitting on the bench? If I'm sick I'm not sitting on the bench. I don't know what's going on there. That felt like some sort of protest. He hates the coach. I don't know if the coach is any good or not. I don't know the NBA well enough to know whether he's a good coach or not. All I know is everybody thought he was okay until Donovan Mitchell started


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[Assistant] You know, shitting on them behind the scenes for the last few months. So I think the thing is a mess. Now they gotta trade them away. They would have been better off, I hate to say it, I think they would have been better off never making that trade. We'll never know.


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[Assistant] Outside of Steph Curry and Isaiah Thomas, has any team won a championship with a small guard as their best player? And those are, as good as Donovan Mitchell is, he ain't Isaiah Thomas and he's not Steph Curry. Like he's not that level.


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[Assistant] Browns have a lot of talent. They do. We know that. If you're, I don't care what your chemistry is, if you have no talent. You're right. However, the difference between the good teams and the great team or between maybe a mediocre team and a good team is that chemistry. The chemistry, good chemistry makes the good team great.


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[Assistant] But there are sometimes, like look at the Padres in baseball. I know it's baseball, but like they had a loaded with talent.


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[Assistant] I couldn't disagree with that more. Yes, Joe Flacco is a big story. We've talked about a million things about the Browns, not just about Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] I said it's more about the natural part too, because Joe Flacco, like, his career was over, but anyway.


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[Assistant] He was in a, he played a hockey player recently in another. So he's by an athlete. Yeah, yeah, exactly.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. What I'm saying is, if the Browns win, they could host the next round and then go on the road in the AFC Championship game. They could also host the AFC Championship game.


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[Assistant] Alright, you wanna do Fence Riders? Yeah, before we do Fence Riders, guys, I just want to remind all of you that we are doing a TV show tomorrow from 12.30 to 1 on WKYC. You can watch us on WKYC if you're in a local area or if you're out of market, you can watch it on WKYC Plus. Mike's back, so it will 100% be... Bull, are you singing?


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[Assistant] Sorry. It does look like it will be never before seen content with Mike being gone all week and coming back tomorrow. So he's got a fun segment for you guys plan. Check us out on WKYC. We appreciate all the support you guys show us over there as well.


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[Assistant] Director Steve wants to know which one of you is Judy?


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[Assistant] Alright guys, you get ready for the first Fence Rider question? Yes! So Jay, you gave me some props for coming up with questions earlier, and I don't know if this one's gonna show off those props you gave me. This was an interesting Fence Riders this week.


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[Assistant] But the first one we got was, will Joe Flacco throw over 300 yards for the third straight week? I think I underestimated how much Kool-Aid you guys are all really consuming out there. Because everybody, everybody said yes for this one.


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[Assistant] Alright, next one. Will the Browns defense force three or more turnovers against the Houston's offense?


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[Assistant] See, I'm gonna be honest, I think the Browns are gonna get three on the dot. And I think it's because of two reasons. One, our coverage success rate from nfl.nextgenstats is insane. Martin Emerson Jr., you can take tag board here, Steve. Martin Emerson has a 67.7% success rate. Greg Newsom and Denzel Ward are tied at 66.7%. And against Case Keenum,


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[Assistant] Alright guys, are you ready for the next one? So we're gonna stick with rushing here. So the two questions, clean sweeps. Clean sweeps on both of them. We had three with clean sweeps. Spoiler alert, I will say. Wow. But this next one was pretty good split.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, so the, I'm gonna skip the Miles Garrett sack one because we all agreed that he's going to record one. He'll break his streak of a month of no sacks. That was unanimous, right? Last unanimous one. But will the Browns or Texans have more sacks? So, Jay went with the Browns.


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[Assistant] Oh, my apologies on that. But yeah, it actually is the same breakdown mine as Tyvis. So, spoiler alert for the last question.


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[Assistant] But, Mike's back in town. Earl and I are ready to do it. We're gonna get it in before Mike goes to basketball. Hopefully this goes better than Fence Riders, but...


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[Assistant] Tune in to Behind the Glass for all three of us and come hang out tonight at 6 o'clock on the UCSS channel.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so there's rumors going around, some rumblings in the Twittersphere, that JB is gonna be safe and his hot seat pressure is completely going away because of these injuries to Garland.


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[Assistant] We got some super chats to close out the show, right? Yeah, and anytime we do super chats, guys, it's brought to us by PCC Airfoils. Are you looking for a job with career advancement and great benefits? PCC Airfoils is the leading manufacturer in Northeast Ohio. All locations of PCC Airfoils in Eastlake, Mentor, Wycliffe, and Minerva are hiring for all positions starting at $18 and up.


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[Assistant] So we got a couple super chats here. The first one comes from Professor Chaos. Says, I don't know if he will win, but JOK should be the comeback player of the year, which I think we'd all agree.


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[Assistant] The refs can, the refs can give us 100 calls and owe us 100 more.


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[Assistant] To say that we are due is an understatement, we can literally do a documentary on it. Preston Herring says, just want to say thank you guys for providing some of the best Browns content out there and making my workday shorter. Look forward to you guys everyday, much love, go Browns. Thank you Preston.


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[Assistant] Yeah, next is our Mac dog. Happy holidays to you, CSS. I'm rolling with G Bush and Earl the pearl. All I want for Christmas is


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[Assistant] Coach of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year, win the last three games, beat the Ratbirds in the AFC Conference Game, and have a healthy 2024.


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[Assistant] Super Bowl. Two words. That's it. Alright, next one also comes from Professor Chaos. If you guys could get Chubb back right now, but you had to pick two starting players to put on IR, who would you pick?


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[Assistant] 190 plus points, three weeks in a row. I barely cracked 100 this week. Same guys.


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[Assistant] Plus three alternate over-unders on Joe Flacco, all cash, and Cedric Tillman over. He turned four bucks into five hundred and fourteen dollars and fifty cents. You can be like Ryan Soufan.


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[Assistant] Guys, at what point? And the answer may be there is no point, but at what point?


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[Assistant] Are too many injuries too many to overcome for a team as resilient as this Cleveland Brown squad? Not that many more.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we have Charles Davis joining us, and the reason we have Charles Davis on the show is A, he's a brilliant football mind, but B, last week Leroy Hoard told the story about Charles Davis that we're gonna play the story in case you missed it last Wednesday, then we can't wait to hear Charles' reaction to that. But this was Leroy Hoard last Wednesday on Charles Davis, who will be joining us right after you hear this clip from our guy Leroy. Steve, play.


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[Assistant] At Caesars and Rocket Mortgage field house use the Sherwin Williams entrance. It's a Cavs watch party. The monsters are also home that night. Myself, Earl, Anthony, Jeebus, Jason and Bull will all be out there. We hand out some free swag, hanging out with you guys, shaking some hands, kissing some babies and putting on a show. So if you can.


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[Assistant] Come out and hang out with us at Rocket mortgage field house. It's going to be a lot of fun. You guys have been asking for remote show.


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[Assistant] We'll talk to you off air. Uh, PFF Grades this week. It's very simple, guys. We got Mary Kay in five minutes, so we're gonna do this very simply.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna give you five offensive players and then five defensive players. You guys have to rank in order of one through five.


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[Assistant] How you think PFF graded these five players? All five graded well, by the way. So these are, these are the higher graded players.


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[Assistant] In what order, from 1 through 5, 1 being the highest, 5 being the lowest, do you think these 5 were graded according to PFF this week?


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[Assistant] Uh, last week, I know for sure, this week. What was last week?


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[Assistant] It's an abomination. Let's talk about the, uh, the defensive players though. Same, same thing. Five players. You guys grade these in order of how you think PFF graded them. Let's go. Miles Garrett, Martin Emerson, Greg Newsome, Grant Delpit and Zedaria Smith. In what order did these five play?


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[Assistant] I'll give y'all this. It was the highest-graded PFF game of his career.


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[Assistant] Uh, Nusso's tackling grade was a 27.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna have to ask you to turn your phone in one sec. So you guys gotta fill while I work with Mary Kay to get her shot set and then we will bring Mary Kay in to answer those exact questions.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna get to this next topic. Shout out to my guy Grant for helping me come up with this. But, the Browns, we talked about injuries to start the show. I've sustained a handful of crippling injuries this year, but there's still eight in five. Very few teams, I think, could lose their quarterback one.


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[Assistant] And their superstar running back and still be in the position the Browns are. So, taking everything into consideration here. Everything we know.


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[Assistant] If you could reverse, essentially undo a season ending injury to a brown superstar this season, would you undo the injury to Nick Chubb? Joe, uh, Deshaun Watson?


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[Assistant] It is funny that you guys all say it's a life, but no one wants to go first.


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[Assistant] The receivers run into each other. That's not on Flacco. No, it's not on Flacco.


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[Assistant] I actually just told Anthony, I think 99 out of 100 times you take the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Can I give you a counter, not a counter, but a supporting argument? The way I looked at this question was...


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[Assistant] If you had that version of Deshaun Watson, which we had seen him rising, rising, rising, he was playing better.


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[Assistant] And if we're talking numbers, just, just numbers, that Tennessee gave me through for 289, two touchdowns. He had 40 yards and a touchdown taken off the board. Oh, that was, yeah, that was, that should have been a touchdown. So if you really want to look at the actual totality numbers of what it probably should have been, 330 and three, which then we can't argue that anything Flacco did better, but that was fun guys. I appreciate you guys playing along.


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[Assistant] I enjoyed watching that, hopefully the chat did. I asked the chat, by the way, and the poll results in the chat were 76% for Chubb, 24 for Watson. So, very similar to how, how we kinda looked at it. We do talk garden.


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[Assistant] Well speaking of money issues, and we do gotta touch this cause we teased it yesterday, the guardians we know don't spend a lot. However,


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[Assistant] They spent 4 million on hedges, and I have no issue with the deal, but we know the guardians run a tight shift, their budget is not exponential. Is there a chance this is their move of the office?


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[Assistant] In other words, strength and conditioning. There was only two that we had until we started that Watson or Chubb conversation. We got like 20 now, so I got to run through these pretty quickly. Matthew Culpa says the coaching staff has shown they'll have the next man up ready. Young Majestic said you guys get paid off media, so cameo is okay, but active NFL athletes charging


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[Assistant] The Browns is a team no matter who's at quarterback and Charles T with the super chat of the day said, this is a Cleveland sports show. All this winning has gotten off, gotten us off track. This is Cleveland Browns mock draft season. Give me Lad McConkey, the white receiver out of Georgia.


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[Assistant] And if Amari Cooper can't play, he's still in concussion protocol, the Browns offense is going to look a lot different on Sunday. And we're here to tell you exactly what that'll look like.


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[Assistant] Thanks Jay. Joe Flacco had a tremendous debut for the Cleveland Browns. And who better to talk Brown's quarterback play than this guy, Bernie Kozor, the legendary Brown's quarterback. And Bernie, you're amazed that Joe Flacco was able to come off his couch in two weeks and make some of the throws he did against Los Angeles. And we're going to start with a third and 14 dot to Amari Cooper.


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[Assistant] Really great throw in the first quarter. On the very next drive, he hit Harrison Bryant between the 8 and 8 on his chest, and he had to manipulate the middle linebacker to create the throwing lane. Bernie, help us explain what happened here.


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[Assistant] One of our favorite games, I give you guys a statement. You tell me whether you know it's true, you think it's true, or you doubt it's gonna happen. Each of you guys gets a question, a minute to answer, and let's start with bowl. So bowl.


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco gives the Browns the best chance to beat Jacksonville on Sunday. Do you know? Do you think? Or do you doubt?


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[Assistant] You're up next. Yes, sir. The statement I gave G. Bush. Denzel Ward returning to the Browns lineup.


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[Assistant] We'll fix all of their defensive issues. Do you think? Do you know? Or do you doubt that, G?


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[Assistant] Jay, you're up and you had a two-parter and let's see if this works. I gave Jay a two-parter, he gave us two answers. Jay, David and Joker will have at least 45 receiving yards and one touchdown against the mediocre Jaguars defense.


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[Assistant] Will it be a clean sweep? I feel the drama and the dramatic flair. I'm just gonna let it sit for a sec.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Mike is in Jersey, so I told y'all, y'all can go crazy. I'm not going to give you many instructions, but before we do the first read, I do have one instruction. Me, Steve and Anthony, we decided on this. It's Victory Monday.


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[Assistant] Hey real quick, before we get to the read order defense, you talked about the ghost of Jim Brown. We've got something special. I believe this came from Creative Juice. You all are going to love it. Let Anthony get this together real quick.


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[Assistant] For sure, man. So, uh, next up, we're going to get into how David and Joko and Amari Cooper did something for the first time since Josh Gordon and Gary Barnage. Go figure that. But first things first, as the weather gets colder, the NFL offers stay hot on FanDuel. Right now, new customers is getting $150 in bonus bets. Uh, that's what


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[Assistant] Maybe this is kinda like outrageous. First of all, Bull, I do agree with you when it comes to David Najoku. But Amari Cooper doesn't come with like the Flash, you know, he's not really necessarily the quote unquote household name. He's not the Justin Jefferson. He's not gritty and in the end zone.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you a question. And I got this because, you know, I play a lot of Madden. I got a franchise right now with the Cleveland Browns. I'm in year two.


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[Assistant] And the Mark Cooper is coming up at the end of his contract. I think in my batting franchise, he's 31.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Yeah, Alex Wright had a game too, but before we even move on to anything, I want to add on to Jason said and kind of get his perspective on this because you be in a locker room, you attend a lot of press conferences. I've heard Andrew Berry say numerous times about there's three or four different times throughout a season where you evaluate the roster that you have.


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[Assistant] Right? You do it at the end of the season, you do it before the draft, after the draft, right before you go to camp, when you coming out of camp, et cetera, and you see what you have.


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[Assistant] Yeah, trade that line. And Jason talks about him learning as he go, you know, and just sticking things through and being able to assess situations differently.


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[Assistant] And you can see that show up this season. You, you hear the Browns organization talk a lot about this being a collective, you know, effort, how everybody has a voice. You mentioned Jaron Christian, right?


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[Assistant] And what happened when, when that, that tackle went down. He went straight to AB like, hey.


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[Assistant] So we thought, I didn't know if we was allowed to play it or not, but yeah, me and Anthony definitely got to save it in our phones. Well, did they ask you if, if, did anybody ask us if they could play us?


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[Assistant] For me, it's always been about Kevin Stefanski being a leader of men and how he galvanizes the troops and respect that he has in the locker room. People get bogged down on the situational play calling.


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[Assistant] I love for you to speak to that, but for all four of you, just hearing you talk, you know what I thought about?