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[Assistant] Who was it? And I said, the first name that popped into my head. I said, well, Jeffrey Ferris. The next name that popped into my head was Rick Pauling. And because they popped into my head and I uttered their names, they were arrested.


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[Assistant] You know, at that time, I was like, well, I don't know who the DNA match is, but you know, I'll give it a shot.


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[Assistant] John Danzer was a shipmate of mine on the George Washington, and he had moved back up to Pennsylvania, uh, May or June.


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[Assistant] of that year, and he didn't come back down to Norfolk to visit until August after Dan had been arrested. And I knew this. So I was arguing with Ford. No, CJ, John Danzer wasn't there.


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[Assistant] And after a little while, it was like, okay, he wants me to put John Danzer into the story. So it was like, okay, well, you want him there? John was there.


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[Assistant] And said, hey, John Danzer's got an alibi a mile long.


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[Assistant] That was Robert Clinton Ford. He goes, you lied to us. And he said, you lied to me? That's it.


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[Assistant] John Danzer didn't do it. John Danzer wasn't there. But guess what? They still prosecuted him. They didn't let him go, even with an airtight alibi.


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[Assistant] One month later, he's at a preliminary hearing to determine whether they have enough evidence to charge him with murder and rape. Forget the truth. Forget justice. Forget the alibi.


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[Assistant] As far as the Commonwealth of Virginia is concerned, John Danzer was in that apartment. So I had to testify at his preliminary hearing.


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[Assistant] That's the million dollar question. You would have to ask the Commonwealth what they were thinking.


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[Assistant] You know, five, six months of sitting in jail and listening to other inmates talking and talking to my family and my girlfriend at the time, my brain finally kicked back in and


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[Assistant] And I was like, I can't do this. It's against my morals to send an innocent man to jail.


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[Assistant] So about a month later, I signed the paperwork pulling out of the plea agreement and within a week, Rick Pauley, Jeffrey Ferris, and John Danzer were released because there wasn't


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[Assistant] I was on Cloud9 because now they've got a DNA match, and he's saying he did it alone. Hey.


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[Assistant] When somebody's DNA matches, it proves they were there. He's saying he did it alone.


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[Assistant] When Joe Dick testified that the seven of us guys tried to get into Ms. Bosco's apartment,


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[Assistant] But we couldn't because she didn't know any of us. And we all go outside into the parking lot and meet this total stranger.


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[Assistant] And start talking about a crime that we want to commit and he goes, Oh, well I can get you in the apartment. And he just joins us.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's something out of a science fiction book.


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[Assistant] Basically, built myself a new cell. My bedroom.


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[Assistant] When I'm not at work, when I'm not in the kitchen eating dinner, I'm in my bedroom.


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[Assistant] And until my name is cleared, that's how it's gonna have to be.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna forget all of this so everybody else take note. Adam's got some big teeth so we fit a lot of diamonds on there.


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[Assistant] But then you knew we had an alibi. Then you knew we had an alibi. Then you knew that you knew we had an alibi. What were they thinking?


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[Assistant] Pennsylvania implemented regulations under the ambulatory surgical facilities act that


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[Assistant] Governs everything from the width of hallways to where sinks are located to the HVAC systems to the job descriptions.


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[Assistant] Abortion care providers have come into compliance with numerous regulations at great cost, at great financial cost to the women who need abortions.


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[Assistant] There is the sense that women simply can't make moral decisions on their own. The state has to intervene and tell them what to do. I think it's pure hypocrisy.


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[Assistant] I don't understand why older white men think it's appropriate for them to be.


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[Assistant] For a long time, I had a hard time with it. But, you know,


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[Assistant] Time heals everything and eventually you're able to see through everything and realize


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[Assistant] Exactly what was going on, and once you can see the truth of the matter, it makes it a lot easier to move past it. You know, because it wasn't just you that I was mad at. I was mad at a lot of folks.


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[Assistant] Frontmines The Confessions is available on DVD. To order, visit shoppbs.org or call 1-800-PLAY-PBS.


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[Assistant] For more on this and other Frontline programs, visit our website at pbs.org.


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[Assistant] Oh lord. Oh man. Now you involve the wives, it makes everything even more awkward.


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[Assistant] Think about it. You're a carver, what do you do? What's the most important thing in this world?


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[Assistant] Alright, we gotta do something. Come on. Anyone got anything sharp? Anything? We need to get these bindings off. Hey, Clem, help me find something to get these off. Anything sharp that could cut these. And what good is that gonna do?


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[Assistant] This whole time it's Carver, Carver, Carver, now he's fucking Bill!


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[Assistant] Oh, I see what it is. Y'all are just getting a ride home, aren't ya? That's what's going on here!


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[Assistant] Say that again. I'd stay out of this, boy. Mister, I ain't a boy. No, right. You're a man.


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[Assistant] Y'all don't know what you're talking about! We get cooped up in some kennel like a bunch of fucking dogs, it's over! You don't know that.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what happened. He abandoned us. You don't know that.


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[Assistant] Hey, just, if something happens, just help out, okay? Don't, you know, get yourself hurt or nothing, but any help would be good. Hey, Clem.


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[Assistant] Okay, ehm, that's okay, that's okay. Alright, everybody grip!


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[Assistant] Man, fuck that guy. I don't think we can trust him. I mean, clearly he's already drank too much of the Kool-Aid.


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[Assistant] Everybody's scared. Ain't an excuse to sound like a nutcase. You gotta take a look around.


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[Assistant] Stuff that they don't want us to know about. That Troy asshole's gone for now. This is our chance. Don't worry about Reggie. I'll go help run interference on him.


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[Assistant] Some of these folks ain't too keen on leaving. It's up to us to figure out a way out of here. You up for it? It's your decision.


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[Assistant] Okay, I followed y'all here best I could. I haven't had a night's rest since y'all got napped. Well, that's the first chance I got to talk to somebody. They're everywhere. Okay, they got guards. Watching everything.


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[Assistant] No. No, I mean, yeah. Yes. Sorry.


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[Assistant] I just could use some sleep, you know. Hard to rest when you think a lurker's about to get the jump on you at any, any moment. But yeah. Yeah. I'm fine, okay? Don't worry about me.


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[Assistant] There was a girl back at Crawford that used church bells to send walkers all over the city. We just need something really loud.


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[Assistant] We can do that, but the herd is still what's gonna get us outta here. Maybe Luke can tell us where it's hitting from.


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[Assistant] Holy shit. Oh, good one Lee. Alright, what are we waiting for? Let's get that stupid radio.


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[Assistant] Come on, up and at him. Don't push her, Kenny. She's our best bet. I mean that, Clem.


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[Assistant] That's my girl. We gotta get that rope down. Mike, you wanna booster up? Come on, kid.


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[Assistant] She'd really rather keep with us, people she knows.


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[Assistant] I know part of this is my fault. I-I-I know. I was hungry, I got reckless trying to steal some food, and I got caught.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but now we're dealing with a guy beat to shit, Sarita in no shape to do anything, and I'm a goddamn mess. Look, we should rest up.


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[Assistant] Okay, we should bide our time, and we should wait for an opening. Bonnie's agreed to help us tonight. And that doesn't mean she can't do it some other night.


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[Assistant] We're not waiting. Ain't nothing out there, guys. Trust me, I looked. There's no food. There's no supplies. They picked everything clean. I'm just saying we gotta be sensible about this.


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[Assistant] This is bullshit. Well, I don't like it either, but guess what? It's where we're at.


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[Assistant] Thanks, asshole. Do tough bastards get their ass kicked in front of everybody?


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[Assistant] Alright. Well then what now? We get the hell out of here. Like now, now.


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[Assistant] That girl's already seen more than you can imagine. Shut your mouth, Bill. You're all just gonna let him do this? Yes.


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[Assistant] I think, I think you'd be alright. You might, uhm, you might.


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[Assistant] One of the biggest fights in a long time. We have Booker T.


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[Assistant] He said, there's been some really big fights. He said, boy, 50, a true 50-50 fight where you don't know who's gonna win, but you do know it's gonna be exciting from beginning to end. He said, I ain't felt nothing like this in 30 years. Let's say, yeah, that sounds far right. I'm saying, I truly do. I hate for people to miss this one because


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[Assistant] You really miss, you, you get a lot of people to talk about what boxing is and what boxing used to be and what boxing, people don't know what boxing is and all that.


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[Assistant] You're gonna find out everything you want to know from boxing in this fight right here.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing. They literally have it all. You got one fighter who's extremely conventional. What I mean by that? He's textbook. Everything is right.


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[Assistant] Straight jab, straight right hands. He's throwing the hooks where they need to be. He's a great body puncher. He goes, he applies the pressure and he can also move if he needs to. And that's Aerosmith Jr. And then on the other side of that, you got a wild card kind of fighter who can do


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[Assistant] Just about anything you need to do to win a fight. And I think the other reason why everybody is so excited about this fight.


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[Assistant] What boxing we refer to is having dog. Basically having dog is having that courage that, that, that, that, that grow through anything to win a fight.


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[Assistant] And we all know that neither one of these fighters are gonna be willing to stop. Neither one of these fighters are gonna want to quit.


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[Assistant] And that's why everybody loves this fight. You get all the technical stuff that you want out of boxing, but you also get that warrior.


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[Assistant] That you wanna see. You got two warriors in the ring. It doesn't happen. Usually you get a warrior that doesn't have the skills. You get a warrior that doesn't have the power. You get a warrior that doesn't have the speed.


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[Assistant] A lot riding on this fight. I do believe that boxing has already started to move into a new way and it started to kind of


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[Assistant] Uh, move into a wave of the best fighting the best, which is everybody, what everybody wants to see. I think people are starting to under, become,


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[Assistant] Better connected to boxing than fighters. It's not about being connected to the belts. And I think for so long people have been connected to the belts. There's so many belts out there that people are just confused and they just don't wanna deal with it.


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[Assistant] People are starting to get back connected to the fighters. I think that's the difference with now and back then.


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[Assistant] To the point of the question, people were showing up with dogs.


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[Assistant] Showing up, I mean, there's women in the room, men in the room, kids in the room.


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[Assistant] Whoever's got the belt is the guy, and we don't know who the guy truly is because there's so many belts. This fight is gonna bring boxing, I think, back to a space that it hasn't been in in a long time.


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[Assistant] I think, I think when Floyd, this is, this is what I truly think. When Floyd was doing what he was doing, I think boxing was transitioning.


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[Assistant] In the transition that was happening, fighters were learning what Floyd was doing and started to learn this is not just a sport anymore. This is no longer about trophies. This is about money. How can I, how can I squeeze this lemon dry? And also, for the sake of words,


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[Assistant] Stay safe doing it. And I think that that wave too is, is, has gone on. I think that fighters have learned how to, they learned the business.


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[Assistant] And learn how to, for the sake of words, milk the business, and now it ain't about milking the business no more. It's back to, who can I have great exciting fights with, also make that money, take care of my family, but do something and leave a legacy. Boxing is getting back to the legacy, which I think was one of the lost arts for a long time.


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[Assistant] Neither guy really likes to be on their social media a whole lot. Neither guy really likes to do the whole camera and report, uh, uh, interview thing a whole lot. They're comfortable doing it, but they don't really like to do it.


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[Assistant] Get people to notice you and notice this fight. I think that these guys did not do enough posting for themselves to get people more excited and amped up about this fight.


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[Assistant] Let's be real. Social media is real, is live, is relevant, and it will get you places that a promotional company can no longer get you. And I think that these guys needed to do that should have done that.


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[Assistant] Uh, especially if we have a loser, uh, on Saturday night, I think it's gonna take a while for those guys to become friends. Uh, myself and Terrence Crawford, we're, we have been friends since we're about 16, 15, 16 years old.


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[Assistant] I haven't had any conversations with him. Yeah, he didn't respond to any text messages or phone calls. So, uh, it's just, it's the way it goes.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I think that there's true animosity here. And, uh, I hope that, uh, things through the course of this fight don't really heat up to a point that these guys want to do anything extra. I don't think either of them have the mindset to do anything outside of what it entails to win a boxing match. But in this one right here, man, I think anything's possible.


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[Assistant] So who is, uh, are you biased in this fight or who you, who you think gon' win?


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[Assistant] But when I do take my bias out, I do think that this is a 50-50 fight. A fight that can go one round, or a fight that could truly go 12 rounds. You know, I say that because I truly want people to get invested into this fight.


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[Assistant] Pay what it, what it cost to watch this fight because you're gonna see something amazing. Even if this fight were to go one round, it would be an amazing first round victory. Uhm, I don't see that. I think it goes 12.


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[Assistant] And, uh, if it goes 10, I mean, we got 10 amazing rounds that we saw. So I want everybody to tune in to this one. Order that Showtime pay-per-view.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if I, if I trained for eight weeks, I was miserable for six of those eight weeks.


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[Assistant] And then my favorite week to train was the week before the fight.


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[Assistant] What I mean by that is we're swimming, we're biking, we're bike riding, we're doing sprint workouts, we're doing long distance workouts.


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[Assistant] You have to ignore self-preservation. You're gonna be tired. You're gonna be bleeding.


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[Assistant] Uh, you're gonna be confused. Uh, you're gonna be hurt to the body the whole night. You gotta ignore all that. You gotta keep going. That's the only way to victory.


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[Assistant] All of my confidence is in Deshaun Watson. If he does not perform, I don't have much confidence in the team.


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[Assistant] Game day, uh, speed. We all know that speed is different. And I think it took him all of what? Six games for him to get back adjusted to that game time speed. So I think I hope that he comes in ready for the game time.


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[Assistant] If he does, we got some electricity coming forth from the Browns and uh, we're back where we were what? Two seasons ago where we were really fighting in the playoffs. What was that? Two seasons ago or three? Three. Three seasons ago, man.


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[Assistant] You know, I can't be too greedy talking about Super Bowl. But hey, give me some food, man. Get me in the second round of the playoffs, baby.


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[Assistant] It's the tie that binds in uh, California, it feels like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I feel like you can smoke in the club these days in LA, which is, which is nice.


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[Assistant] Right, but I mean yeaah, nothing beats like, uh, you know, just like a good old fashioned hot box smoke session.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so for the people who haven't figured it out yet, I'm talking to Josh from Raw Papers right now. How you doing Josh? Very good.


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[Assistant] Very very excited to meet you, man. You've really blossomed into a social media superstar over the past couple years, huh?


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[Assistant] I want at least a cursory glance at how you came to even sorta be in this position, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Really? Well, I mean, it just kind of reminds me of like when, you remember when little kids would have stamp collections? Yea, yea, yea. Yea, it kind of reminds me of that, just you have like a little representation of like every different part of the world through their rolling paper.


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[Assistant] No, never left me. Unbelievable. But you weren't actually smoking anything at that time? You would just have the papers?


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[Assistant] Right. So you had the entrepreneurial bug early? Was this like the first kind of thing that occurred to you that you thought that you could create and bring into the world?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I knew that that was a cool place to go even before I knew, had any sort of realization that I wanted to be smoking something, but they would have like CDs and like, you know, t-shirts and like black lights and stuff like that, you know?


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[Assistant] I did it, I had some black light posters that I was very, very excited about. I was like a 13 year old. Yeah. I fucking love that shit. I still love that.


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[Assistant] Oh, so you're, you're like, uh, room raiders, where you're like searching for the cum stains on the bed?


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[Assistant] And it's gotta give you a lot of goodwill from all your dealers as well, right? That they know that they're not competing with you for the sale online versus their store.


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[Assistant] With rolling paper, it's more of a given that this is the stuff that is going to continue to be out there and thrive because people actually need it. But it still just feels like, you know, if you want to have that healthy relationship with your dealers, then it's kind of a cool angle to not sell yourself online.


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[Assistant] This is back in the day, the story you're describing? Yea, this is in 96. Really? Yea. So I'm guessing that when you had the idea to create a head shop that you actually did it?


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[Assistant] So what did you put on the shelves, like to start out with your first headshot?


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[Assistant] It was stuff that you knew that people wanted, but they didn't currently have a way to get it.


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[Assistant] But you learned the game pretty quickly, I'm guessing. It was a lot of, uh, did you have a basic understanding of how to run a business at that time?


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[Assistant] Uhm, okay, but so you're doing that, how many stores did you actually get up to? Six. Six. All in Florida.


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[Assistant] Cause I find that I always enjoy once it's been burned down a bit, that it feels like that for some reason it's going to make me cough less. It's like it's agitating my throat less as it's like the first couple of hits get you worse. It gets me. That's, that's when I'm liable to like cough my ass off.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this, was it obvious to you from day one that this is where you wanted to put your energy? Not from day one, but was it obvious that this was the thing? Because it seems like you have such a passion for, it's hard to put my finger on, is it, is it just


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[Assistant] Do you think you just care about people and you just want them to have, to better their lives through commerce or through a product?


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[Assistant] It's really interesting because it's like when you were having that head shop experience of trying to take each customer and like make their life a little better through their experience in the store, but now you're running this big major brand where you have to figure out ways to do that without having the one on one communication with the majority of your customers.


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[Assistant] That's a glorious thing there. Okay, so what happened after the series of head shops? What's the next step or what leads you towards the, doing actual products, making your own papers?


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[Assistant] Oh, so that, that bong that you sold, that was the end of all the stores? Yep.


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[Assistant] I don't know about Ultimate, but definitely one of the main ones that we still need. It's supposed to happen soon.


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[Assistant] What were the problems that you were really, like what made a paper stand out at that time in your mind? Like what were the problems that you were solving? Was it just marketing or was it different products primarily?


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[Assistant] It takes a long time. But so it wasn't a hit right away? What were the, what were the problems at first? Just people being stubborn and not knowing that this was something they might want to engage with?


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[Assistant] So, so once you had the product and stuff though, like how did it actually start to catch on? Was it really word of mouth or how were you getting it out there in the beginning?


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[Assistant] And customers really walk into the grocery store and look at the white bread and they look at the dyed brown organic oat bread or whatever and they're like, I'm a healthy person, I'ma get this.


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[Assistant] The Amazon reviews will be bad, and ideally in a perfect world, it'll get pushed out of the marketplace. Fine, but what happened to the actual device?


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[Assistant] And all they're bringing to the table is that it's a little bit cheaper. Is it hard for people to compete on price when it comes to rolling papers?


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[Assistant] But then at a certain point, if you're not competing on price, what are you competing on? Of course the product is very high quality, but does that mean that you have to then like really mega emphasize the branding and the lifestyle and the outlook that you're like putting alongside it? Is that what you then have to focus on or is it enough to just really focus on the product?


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[Assistant] That's so amazing. So okay, let me ask you this. At this point in Raw's lifespan and the brand, what is, what are the most important things in terms of making more people know about it, in terms of getting more people excited about it? Like what do you actually see sort of being the things that move the needle or that you just consider worth doing from like a marketing perspective?


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, just smoking that, when I could be smoking a smaller amount of actual weed and potentially like doing that a couple times throughout the day, using way less weed but like actually being able to enjoy smoking more,


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[Assistant] Kinda makes sense to me, it's kinda for the first time in my life made me think, like, I gotta start, I maybe should try getting away from the backwards.


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[Assistant] Okay. You ever have any issues with it or anything? You just slowly realize this.


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[Assistant] Do you feel like self control is like a big thing in terms of like weed? Do you ever feel like you're like addicted to weed? Because I'm gonna be honest with you, it can be hard for me to go, you know, sometimes I'll go on a trip. I'm in Japan for a couple of days and I don't have weed and you feel it. It's definitely, it's not- How do you feel it?


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's not like I'm addicted to, you know, there's a lot of things that I'm like basically addicted to, even if they're not physically addicted. I'm addicted to working, even though I'm not like physically, like there's nothing that,


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[Assistant] I think in a weird way, it's a phallic thing. You know, it's like if I'm sitting here and I'm smoking a little white thing and you, you got a big meaty three fucking grand blunt. I mean, I could see how from, if you're from a flexing perspective that, you know, that's kind of like impressive looking and with rappers flexing is pretty much the main thing.


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[Assistant] I feel like my fingers are too big for the paper. I've just never really been able to wrap my head around it. Rowan, I'll sit down after this and we will teach you how to roll. That's what I'm saying. I need to learn from the best. It's all about the tuck. I feel like it took me like five years to really get good at rolling backwards.


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[Assistant] Have you always been sort of the same type of person or has Instagram caused you to sort of emphasize certain elements of your personality? Because you have like a very like big energetic persona on there. When did you realize that you could make the brand bigger by becoming a spokesperson for your own brand?


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[Assistant] No, tea. Tea. Yeah. So no, no stimulants, this is 100% natural energy?


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[Assistant] It takes away way too much from the next day. Yeah. And maybe I can power through it, but then still it's like, I'm not going to be able to do it the next day. So it's like, I can't consistently have that be part of my life at this point because it's just going to slow me down too much. And like waking up and having to like, and not being able to really get anything done for like many hours because I'm hungover or something is like my worst nightmare for productivity in general.


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[Assistant] A lot of people hate their own existence, they hate what they have to do the next day, so it's like getting fucked up the night before and then being hungover, it's like, if you already hate what you're doing and you're hungover, it's kind of like whatever, like you're miserable anyway, so you might as well be hungover, right?


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[Assistant] No, totally. No, I was a janitor and I kinda enjoyed it. Yea. But I mean, granted, I was like sneaking away to take naps in the stairwell.


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[Assistant] You listen to any podcast that we should know about? Yours. Really? Yeah. Wow, thank you. Anything else? Hm. Rogan?


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[Assistant] That's dope. Uhm, let me ask you this. In terms of your overall ambition of like the things you want to accomplish in your life,


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[Assistant] Is there anything that stands out to you that is like way outside of the realm of like this brand that you've built and everything that you're doing now? Is there anything that stands out like that's the step that I want to take before this is over? What is it?


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[Assistant] Realistically, a lot of good, you've built a big enough machine that realistically it feels like people would continue it on for you even if you were to be gone.


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[Assistant] What's the ownership of Raw like at this point? Have you had to take on investors and stuff over the years? No. No, it's all you? No.


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[Assistant] That's amazing, but honestly that's why I wanted to interview you is because I'm just fascinated by people who could be so passionate about things that are normally done by people who don't give a fuck.


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[Assistant] Well, maybe that's 35. Marty's not doing too great up there. You gotta smoke more.


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[Assistant] Interesting. So, there you go. So, erectile health, doing good, raw, raw, keeps erectile health healthy? That's why we call it raw, man. Fuck yeah, man. Hey, anything else we should talk about before we wrap this up? We just did like a solid half, hour and a half, hour 25.


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[Assistant] 20 year old Adam, uh, stop breaking the law. You want to minimize risk. Cause the main thing I would emphasize to myself as a young man is like, it's not worth putting your freedom on the line to not have a job.


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[Assistant] I was really going, like, like you had issues with like the head shops and stuff. I mean, I was really asking for it when I think about it and like, you know, the scary thing I think about.


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[Assistant] It's just all the shit that I like would have done if it had been in front of my face. I remember a guy one time was like basically like offered me, like I think it was like 10,000 and he was like all you gotta do is just drive this, this car with hella ecstasy in the trunk up to Canada.


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[Assistant] And I was down as fuck. I'm like, I'll do that to 10,000 of course at that point in my life. And the only reason why I didn't do it is cause he was full of shit or he didn't follow through. When I think about that, like, oh my God, like the reason why I didn't get into all kinds of crazy fucked up shit was just not knowing enough people.


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[Assistant] Thank fucking god. Alright, so you tell 20-year-old Adam, dude. Be careful. Like, don't, you don't need to do these things. Like, there's a lot, like, you know.


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[Assistant] Focus on real business. It's like I learned how to do business through doing a ton of illegal shit throughout my whole childhood and teenage, early 20 years. And like when I look back at it, it's like you didn't have to go through all that. You could have been smart enough to like avoid that.


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[Assistant] That, that range. I don't know, I was like, honestly like, I started like the BMX website that basically got my career going at 22.


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[Assistant] voice in the community that I had this BMX blog and that it was.


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[Assistant] The thing that was, you know, like everyone had to talk about it all the time because it was like the first BMX website basically that was giving people something to feed on every day and I remember that there was this like critical juncture there where I realized that


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[Assistant] I could, that if I wanted to really make money off of this thing, then I was gonna have to tone down my personality and I was gonna have to be nice, I was gonna have to be industry friendly, and in retrospect, I would have handled


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[Assistant] That creation of that business in a different way because I think in the long run, if I had made it less about like appeasing the industry and more about just being this like raw


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[Assistant] So those, those are like two, I don't know if that's really like a story, but that's just like, when I think about that juncture there is that like if you have the seedling of a business,


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[Assistant] You can go in different routes with it. You could decide to just profit maximize or you could decide to be the most hardcore, dope shit in the world and just really focus on that. And that's kind of how I feel right now. It's like no jumper as a media company. I could, I could sell out. I could like try to turn it into something that would potentially make more money or I could just be the


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[Assistant] I want to be the really cool hardcore podcast out of the back of a bike shop and not necessarily like chase the short term money opportunities and instead like


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[Assistant] Don't, don't, don't water down the thing that makes people, that people love you for. If anything, it's like go and find other adjacent things that are around the thing that you love that you can make more money from, like in the sense of like, like I love doing these podcasts and stuff.


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[Assistant] Sell some fucking t-shirts, you know, create a store, do whatever you have to do to make money around it, but don't let that corrupt the nature of the product that made people love you in the first place, you know?


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[Assistant] That's why I feel so lucky because I feel like I'm in a position where my brand has basically been built upon the idea of


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[Assistant] This is why, this is why record labels are calling me, is because they think that I'm the dude who could like, actually like,


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[Assistant] Show them the way with these young people and I'm like, wow, that's a lot of responsibility and that's really fucking cool. That's fucking awesome.


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[Assistant] Don't get frustrated because that's the main thing. The main thing I see when young people hit me up, I had a kid I really respect the other day hit me up and he was like, you know, I just feel like my brand's not going anywhere and I feel like I've been like trying so hard and I was like,


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[Assistant] What you're doing is cool as fuck, and you're 21. Like, I'm 35, you've only known about me for a couple years, right? He's like, yeah, like, I mean, you've only been famous or whatever for a couple years. I'm like, yeah, exactly, you're 21. What you're doing is really dope right now, but you've got a lot of time to figure it out. And if you stay the course and you keep fucking working this thing, then like,


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[Assistant] You know, and you're smart to be asking me for advice, but just do not get frustrated after six months. Because your brand's not supposed to blow up in six months. And I know we all romanticize the stories of people whose brands do blow up in six months. And it's super cool when you see somebody who's crazy successful at 21, but just please understand that that is the exception to the rule. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You know, you should be willing to grind for this for 10 years. And those are the brands that we respect. When you look at clothing brands, like who do you respect? You know, there's not many brands that started last year that you can say like, oh that's a fucking dope, legendary ass brand. No. The ones that are dope and legendary are the ones who stay cool as fuck for 10, 15 years.


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[Assistant] And are willing to keep working and don't just blow it out and exploit it for profit in the short run.


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[Assistant] You know, when you're like thinking about how shitty your situation is or whatever, it's like, listen, you're not dead and you're not facing prison time, you're gonna be alright. My mom one time had to remind me of that, I was having a super hard time with something, I was just so bummed out. My mom was like, Adam, your fucking dad went to prison when you were a kid, at least you're not going to prison. I'm like, okay. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yep. That's what I'm really trying to figure out. I'm trying to figure out how to create content about


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[Assistant] And the whole thing is like, from my perspective, it's like whatever this thing is that I'm thinking about building in terms of like promoting charity or whatever, it's like the kind of thing where I don't want to like


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[Assistant] Take five grand and give it to a charity. I want to take five grand and invest it into creating content that is like going to like drive a lot of people who are watching this stuff to then want to like go out and do something similar.


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[Assistant] Because I just feel like it's easy to incentivize people to want to do that. You see a lot of the, the people getting excited when, you know, Drake puts out the God's plan video and stuff like that. But I wanna like, I don't wanna just do like a one time thing. I wanna like,


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[Assistant] Or I don't wanna like do a couple events per year or whatever. I wanna like have somebody who works for me whose goal, whose job it is, is to create the content that is basically gonna like, not just give back some of what we're making to help this stuff out, but also like,


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[Assistant] Create content out of it that will mean something to people and give those people motivation to then go out and do like similar stuff through it. I don't know, it's like, still trying to wrap my head around it.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Facts. We gotta figure it out. God damn it, now you really got me thinking. Gah! I'm willing to help. Let's talk. Let's go smoke this giant thing. Hell yeah.


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[Assistant] What happened? They fucking ran up a ton of debt. They fucking went bankrupt. They fucking screwed everybody. And, you know, myself included. We lost a bunch of money on advertising that they owed us and all kinds of stuff. And then all these bike shops that went under because of the influence of this giant mail order.


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[Assistant] I mean, are they coming back? Not so quickly. Not as quickly as they disappeared, you know?


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[Assistant] You guys know the rest. Yeaah. Alright Josh, I appreciate you man, thanks for coming on.


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[Assistant] So I mean, I think it would be a great idea. That's more than a one or two man joint.


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[Assistant] If I smoke a quarter pound, I'm having a weird rest of the night.


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[Assistant] Alright, I appreciate you Josh. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes.


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[Assistant] On his seventh day in office, President Donald Trump headed to the Pentagon.


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[Assistant] At Trump's side, his chief strategist, Stephen Bannon.


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[Assistant] Bannon had engineered a sweeping executive order aimed at fulfilling a campaign promise to restrict Muslims from entering the United States.


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[Assistant] Until this moment, the order's details had been a well kept secret in Washington, even among Trump's own team.


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[Assistant] A strategist. A revolutionary. A provocateur.


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[Assistant] But Bannon himself rarely talks publicly about the world view at the heart of his politics.


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[Assistant] One exception, this video at a Vatican conference less than three years before he entered the White House.


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[Assistant] Bannon describes himself as a combatant in what he believes is an epic war.


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[Assistant] His view of the world began to form decades earlier, back in the 1950s.


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[Assistant] And was a strong supporter of Democrat Jack Kennedy.


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[Assistant] In high school, he attended an all-male Catholic military academy. He earned a reputation as a brawler.


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[Assistant] In college at Virginia Tech, he worked during the summers to pay the bills.


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[Assistant] It was during those years that Bannon had his first experience with politics.


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[Assistant] He pulled off an unlikely victory, winning by a landslide.


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[Assistant] Bannon first saw what he came to believe was a gathering storm in the Middle East.


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[Assistant] After seven years, Bannon left the Navy. He enrolled at Harvard Business School.


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[Assistant] It was a ticket into a world far from working class Richmond. He landed a coveted job at Goldman Sachs. But rather than stay on Wall Street, he headed to Hollywood to make deals.


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[Assistant] At Goldman, and then on his own, Bannon financed movies and TV shows. By his late forties, Bannon was wealthy, but he still seemed to be searching for a purpose. Then, everything changed for Steve Bannon.


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[Assistant] The lurking danger from the Muslim world that he had first seen in the Navy had now arrived in America.


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[Assistant] It was a fight Bannon wanted to join. He did, first as a documentary filmmaker.


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[Assistant] Bannon produced a film about his hero, Ronald Reagan.


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[Assistant] Bannon's film identifies a dark threat he calls The Beast.


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[Assistant] As a political warrior willing to fight the beast. But Bannon did more than glorify Reagan. At the film's end, he issued a warning.


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[Assistant] Increasingly, Bannon was a man on a mission. Reading, studying, trying to understand history, and how to change it.


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[Assistant] That book, The Fourth Turning, argued that historical cycles predict the future, and that another crisis


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[Assistant] And Bannon seemed to believe that he knew what would happen next.


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[Assistant] And in his films he began to look for a new political warrior to save the country. In 2011, he believed he found her.


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[Assistant] Inside the theater, Bannon unveiled the film he called The Undefeated.


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[Assistant] Bannon had spent a year producing the film, but he could not convince Palin to actually run.


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[Assistant] Somehow bombastic Breitbart and bookish Bannon were drawn to each other.


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[Assistant] Bannon cultivated Mercer's daughter, Rebecca. She was new to politics and looking to make an impact.


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[Assistant] Now Bannon told them that investing in Breitbart was the perfect way to take on big government.


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[Assistant] Breitbart changed dramatically, from emphasizing Hollywood culture to Washington power politics.


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[Assistant] Steve Bannon set up operations in a townhouse he called the Breitbart Embassy.


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[Assistant] Now, Bannon molded Breitbart around his worldview. He called it populist nationalism.


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[Assistant] Breitbart's readers embraced stories on black crime, Islamic terrorism, violence by immigrants, stories of a corrupt globalist elite, a culture under assault.


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[Assistant] The articles and comments fueled questions about Bannon's own beliefs.


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[Assistant] The site was booming with millions of readers. At the embassy, they shrugged off criticism.


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[Assistant] But Bannon didn't just want readers. He wanted to fundamentally change Washington.


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[Assistant] And in 2013, as the Republicans began to work with Democrats on immigration reform,


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[Assistant] And to do so, he made an alliance with a 27-year-old Senate staffer, Stephen Miller.


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[Assistant] He was a top aide to controversial Republican Senator Jeff Sessions from the right wing.


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[Assistant] Sessions was an outspoken opponent of immigration reform.


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[Assistant] Miller connected Sessions and Bannon. They built a formidable alliance.


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[Assistant] Populist anger in the GOP base boiled over.


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[Assistant] Bannon, Sessions, and Miller realized they had tapped into something powerful.


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[Assistant] There was a Breitbart reader who was just the person Bannon was looking for.


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[Assistant] A producer on many Bannon films and the head of the conservative advocacy group, Citizens United.


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[Assistant] In Trump Bannon had found a fighter who matched his own instincts.


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[Assistant] By 2015, as Trump launched his campaign for the presidency, he echoed Breitbart's headlines, painting an alarming picture of illegal immigrants.


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[Assistant] And all the while, behind the scenes, Trump turned to Bannon for advice. Although he was not officially on the campaign.


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[Assistant] Bannon wrote this email to his old friend Julia Jones about his connection to Trump.


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[Assistant] Now, Bannon was increasingly on the attack, going after Trump's opponents one by one.


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[Assistant] During that time six Breitbart staff members resigned.


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[Assistant] Stephen Miller signed on to Trump's campaign as a senior policy adviser and speechwriter.


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[Assistant] Jeff Sessions himself was the first United States Senator to give Trump a crucial endorsement.


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[Assistant] Rather than give up, Bannon wanted to fight back.


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[Assistant] Until two days later, at the second presidential debate, when Bannon executed the counterattack.


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[Assistant] Standing in the back of the room, Steve Bannon.


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[Assistant] It was the type of event Andrew Breitbart would have loved.


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[Assistant] To reach out to what he called the forgotten, the angry and disaffected.


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[Assistant] Bannon was named chief strategist and senior White House counselor.


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[Assistant] Now, Bannon's ideas would become the essence of the president's inaugural address.


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[Assistant] And from Breitbart, Bannon recruited 25 year old writer Julia Hahn.


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[Assistant] And the National Security Editor, Sebastian Gorka.


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[Assistant] In that first week, Bannon wanted Trump to act quickly, using the president's executive power.


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[Assistant] Doing something about the danger he'd been warning of for years.


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[Assistant] At the White House, Bannon's influence


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[Assistant] Bannon was even given a seat on the National Security Council.


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[Assistant] By the end of the first month, Bannon headed out of Washington.


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[Assistant] To make a rare public appearance at the annual conservative political action conference.


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[Assistant] He had abandoned his suit and tie for the rumpled look he'd worn on the campaign trail.


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[Assistant] Increasingly, the president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, pointed the finger at Bannon.


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[Assistant] Then, as Trump seemed to walk away from some of Bannon's hard-line positions, humiliation


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[Assistant] The president publicly downplayed Bannon's role.


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[Assistant] Walking before the cameras, joining him on Marine One, his chief strategist, Steve Bannon.


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[Assistant] But that night as they returned to Washington on Marine One, Steve Bannon was seated right next to the President.


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[Assistant] As the White House was gripped by one crisis after another.


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[Assistant] We are beating down the establishment and the liberals into submission. We are literally making America great again.


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[Assistant] I actually met Steve for the first time at the so-called Breitbart embassy. Steve is a very engaging, charismatic, uh, person. I found him to be actually very charming. He had a clear sense of vision and objective. He wanted Breitbart to be the most dominant voice in the Republican party space.


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[Assistant] They were appealing to the segment of the population that are racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, really the worst among us. Creating this congregating space every day where people from that worldview can go and rally around one another.


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[Assistant] To find content that validates their worldview. And I think that's what they were building ultimately.


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[Assistant] It was very clear that Steve and Breitbart with Stephen Miller were playing a very hands-on role in trying to advise Senator Sessions.


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[Assistant] Banny and I feel like he's been someone who's been looking for a figurehead to attach himself to for a very long time.


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[Assistant] Didn't sign up to be the voice of the Trump campaign. If I wanted to be involved with a specific presidential campaign, I would have gone and done so.


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[Assistant] Sessions and Miller, that relationship starts with Bannon and Breitbart. They're all Breitbart-Bannon orchestrated personnel.


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[Assistant] Trust me, I've walked through herds before. It works. You just have to keep calm and make sure you're good and covered. You seem to know what you're talking about.


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[Assistant] We just need to use the winch, she can just climb up from there. Then, just drop into one of the skylights over the stock room.


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[Assistant] Troy. Troy, we talked about this. What? The fuck you talkin' about?


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[Assistant] I told you I wanted to get out. You said you'd help, then I'd help.


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[Assistant] They're all gonna die, Clementine. Don't let them pull you down with them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think they're off Monday and then back in Berea.


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[Assistant] The most amazing part of what you just said is the Browns still have employees from 6 years ago. That's the most amazing part. Because they tend to fire people like every other year.


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[Assistant] I heard of a team saying, here's your market value.


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[Assistant] But we love you so much, here's an extra five million dollars. No! That doesn't happen.


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[Assistant] There's two conversations here. Is Nick Chubb the exception when paying running backs? No. Is there ground to come up to a deal? Maybe. You know, like he's going to have to take a restructure.


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[Assistant] He's gonna have to take less probably next year. And we're having a conversation about 2024. This is 2024.


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[Assistant] If he's willing to take less. If he's willing to do a restructure type thing. Maybe.


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[Assistant] But, are they gonna just pick up the tab at his current number, which I think is like 16 million next year? No. It depends on what the offense look like. It's a Deshaun Watson offense as far as I know.


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[Assistant] Okay, okay, fine. What are the odds that he's gonna rush for more than 1,500 yards and score more than 12 touchdowns with 17 games of Deshawn?


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[Assistant] Well touchdowns are a little different because like, you could punch one in from the one or the two.


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[Assistant] But you know with the extra game, I mean, I don't know, it's not a 17 game.


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[Assistant] If Jerome Ford emerges this year, and I thought Mike put it really poignantly a couple, uh, last week, a week before.


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[Assistant] What would Jerome Ford get on this offense in a world that Nick Chubb doesn't exist? And I think you said 1,100 yards. So is 400 to 500 yards worth $10 million? Or whatever the difference is between what Jerome Ford's making and what Nick Chubb would make.


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[Assistant] So you saying that you talking about just completely moving off. I think there's a, I think there's an ab absolutely. I think there's a chance that that happens. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Exactly what the run of backs is talking about. It's, it's, it's playing the market. It's taking advantage of the market situation. And when you're paying your quarterback what you're paying them.


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[Assistant] I mean, I've said for a year, you can't continue to pay two guards 30 million dollars. Like, you're paying 30 million dollars to guards. Eventually, that's a luxury that goes away when you're paying your quarterback what you're paying them. Eventually they're going to have to make hard decisions. Now, if you choose between Nick Chubb and Wyatt Teller, you pick a Nick Chubb. Wyatt Teller is going to go and you're going to go find another right guard.


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[Assistant] Lose to the Chiefs in the second round. Well, I gotta be the Chiefs. I'm just throwing out a... Chiefs, Bagels, whatever. And then they move on from Nick Chubb. You think people are gonna be that outraged?


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[Assistant] How many? 1,400, 1,500 yards. How many touches though? 10? 10 touches. They will be back.


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[Assistant] I think if, I think Chubb's probably going to wind up around 1300-1400 yards this year. How many touchdowns?


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[Assistant] Because of who he is, if he's willing to take a cut, yeaah. If you can make everything else fit, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, you got to figure it out. You got to figure it out. The quarterback, and I know they already restructured them once.


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[Assistant] Spot is the quarterback money. And it is so high, it complicates everything else that you have to do.


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[Assistant] We're going to do a segment here on Jordan Aikens coming up in a couple minutes, so I want to ask you now.


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[Assistant] If uh, if Marquis Goodwin is out, what does this receiver room look like? Who's in?


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[Assistant] And to piggyback off that before you answer, do they need to bring anyone in to replace Perry on?


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[Assistant] I think we're done with the three Titan sets, thankfully.


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[Assistant] Skull line, short yardage, for sure.


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[Assistant] You know, I was, I was actually, I really was curious about how Zach felt about Harrison Bryant vs. Akins because I think there's only room for one of them really.


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[Assistant] And that makes sense because like I said, they're not carrying three. I could see them doing two, but you know.


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[Assistant] Akins is here because Deshaun wants him, right? Like that, Deshaun, that was the, that was a clear go out and get him. I liked that guy. So that.


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[Assistant] If he's going to be on the field, there's a reason that Jashon's going to look his way.


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[Assistant] So I do think that there's a role for him, but I don't think it's both him and Harry. It's going to be, have to be one or the other. And it seems pretty clear at this point, it's going to be Akins. So there is going to be opportunities for him. There's always the threat to injuries with Nujoku and everything else. So right now I think it's a small role with the opportunity to grow to something bigger for Jordan Akins.


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[Assistant] No, I think that had run it. I don't know. Yeah, I was young. This is a really complicated conversation to have because there's stadium deals involved.


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[Assistant] And it goes far beyond just what if, what if they never moved? Well, the reason they moved is because he was broke and he was broke in part because


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[Assistant] Dick Jacobs left and went to, they built their own stadium and


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[Assistant] If the Browns don't move, well, then the guardians probably move. The Indians are probably in Florida. If that whole ballot issue is like, there's, this is just such a tangled web. It's a great story. It's a tangled conversation to have. Uh, there was an opportunity at one time for them to build another multi-use stadium.


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[Assistant] That was part of the discussion, and Art wasn't interested. And, so,


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[Assistant] I mean, if, if the Browns never left, if something got done where they were able to build a second stadium for them, which they barely got gateway pass by the skin of their teeth, and the only reason they got gateway pass was because they brought the Cavs from Richfield and they gave them an unbelievable deal to get them out of Richfield because the mayor didn't want to do it.


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[Assistant] For just a baseball stadium. The mayor, Michael White, didn't care about sports. He didn't care about the stadium. But when you talk about bringing the arena downtown and concerts and, and the revenue that that would generate from having a downtown arena, well, that's what brought the mayor on board with the plan. But in order to do that, you had to get the Cavs involved.


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[Assistant] So, it's just such a mess of a conversation.


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[Assistant] And they like wanted to start fresh. They brought Ted Marsha Broda in as the coach.


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[Assistant] Well, if Ozzy's here, yeaah, they probably, if, and there's no reason, I mean, if Ozzy went with Art to Baltimore, he surely would have had the job here. So,


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean I think if Ozzy was really the architect of a lot of what they did.


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[Assistant] Bill? I think any coach wants that. Once they, once they garner the respect and the credibility to do it. I think every coach wants to say so in who you're acquiring and where you're putting them.


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[Assistant] Oh, I was there all the time. It was bad. It was bad. I was just pulling up the story that Zach Meisel and I wrote on this a couple years ago. There was a toilet that leaked into Art Modell's office in the stadium.


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[Assistant] I don't want to say to arts credit, but on the, from the Browns perspective on this, they, they warned the city and the county for over a year, something has to be done with the, with the stadium and they didn't take it seriously. And they said the Browns will never move. Like, what are you talking about? That's, and so.


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[Assistant] They didn't react until it was almost too late from the city side of things.


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[Assistant] In like newcomers town type area, about an hour and a half from here.


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[Assistant] And he was very polite and friendly until I introduced myself and told him who I was. And he basically said, finish your drink and get out.


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[Assistant] Businesses that had suites at old stadium left the Browns and went to Jacobs Field.


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[Assistant] The Indians were a tenant. Art had the stadium corp deal. The Indians were a tenant basically to Modell and had to pay him rent.


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[Assistant] And then he lost that and he lost the...


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[Assistant] Barely got it passed. And the only reason they got it passed was because


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[Assistant] The guns agreed to bring the calves back, but they made an unbelievable deal for themselves. Wait, who decided to bring the calves?


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[Assistant] The gun, Gordon gun. The owner, the owner of the cab. What was the name of his place?


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[Assistant] But I, I just don't see, like you could go a couple different directions with this. You can go like a rental type of route. Oh, you're talking, you know, tiny. I'm not talking about.


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[Assistant] But it's probably a one year type thing. I think Bellinger has a mutual option for next year. Tana has an option for next year, about 12 million. It's just not.


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[Assistant] He's a bat, but I don't know that this is a franchise and position to be paying that type of money next year. Bellinger has been great the last couple of weeks. He's really gotten hot. He could plug him into any spot in the outfield. He's a former MVP. But he's probably going to go for, he's going to command quite a bit because he's probably one of the best bats on the market. I would rather see the Guardians go a different route.


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[Assistant] And go after a Dylan Carlson from the Cardinals, a Joe Adele type from the Angels. These are guys who... That's the wrong angel though.


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[Assistant] It is not the wrong angel. It's the type of, and like, so Dylan is the type of guy who still has three years of control after 24, switch hitting outfielder. He's forced out of a spot, former top prospect in all of baseball. And it just hasn't clicked for him yet. Um, but the Cardinals are an organization that famously


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[Assistant] has given up on outfielders and hasn't been able to figure it out. They had Randy Rosarina and Adales Garcia in their system at one time.


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[Assistant] So, and they've got this glut of outfield guys, uh, I know we had, who did you have on the list? We were talking before the show, I think you had Lars on the list, uhm, of Cardinals players, but I think it's a little bit more,


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[Assistant] realistic for them to move on from a guy like Dylan Carlson now that they're healthy in the outfield and he just doesn't have a chance for everyday at bats and Joe Adele and with the angels is very much in the same boat.


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[Assistant] Well, Adele's hit 23 home runs this year in AAA. Now the AAA league that he plays in, it's inflated. What does, what does Oscar have? I don't know what his numbers are. I mean, he's been, he's been great the last couple of weeks.


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[Assistant] No, I don't think it's that he and Tito, I think that the organization just doesn't have a lot of trust in his swing. I do think that he'll, I, I don't know. Part of me thinks we're never going to see Oscar Gonzalez in Cleveland again.


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[Assistant] And part of me feels like, well, you can't keep running out what you're running out there now, so you have to try something different.


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[Assistant] If they ain't gonna make the playoffs, then who cares? I just think it's worth trying to pursue guys with multiple years of control. I don't know that what a rental is going to, what, who are you referring to? I know you ain't referring to who I think you talking about.


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[Assistant] Just to open up shortstop, just to start looking at some of these other guys. You want to give up that clutch hitting that E.S.? I'd have no problem giving up Ahmed Rosario for whatever. He's not going to command a lot in value, but you're freeing up the spot because you have to have some sort of idea going into next year who your shortstop is. He's the leader of this team. Ahmed Rosario?


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[Assistant] The clubhouse loves him. I've said it a hundred times. But between Rokio, Arius, I mean at one time it was supposed to be Arius. Arius was supposed to be there. But he can't hit.


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[Assistant] And I don't get the feeling that they are totally sold on Rokio yet. Tyler Freeman is still there. Could you play Freeman at second, slide Jimenez to short? But you gotta get Rosario out of the way before you can start answering some of those questions.


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[Assistant] So in baseball, when you're setting up your team, you have to be strong defensively up the middle. That's number one. Catcher, shortstop, center field. Like those three spots, you've got to be sound defensively or you have no chance.


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[Assistant] Or if you're gonna go with Piazza at catcher, a guy who can't, you better be a Hall of Fame hitter.


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[Assistant] But ideally, you want to be strong defensively right up the middle to catch your shortstop and center field.


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[Assistant] Now he ain't stealing no bases. Usually first base and left field is where you can hide guys that aren't great defensively. Right field you want somebody with a really strong arm to make the front throw from the corner to third base. Or you know, you put the strongest arm traditionally in right field.


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[Assistant] Your best athlete obviously in center field and then you can hide a guy in left field if you need to. Uh, first base is where you can hide guys occasionally, you know, that aren't the greatest defenders. That's just the basics of how you build a team.


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[Assistant] Well, they've swung and missed for sure. Like, they've made a lot of bad decisions. We talked about it. Like, moving on from Nolan Jones and Will Benson right now look like mistakes. But part of that was because the 40-man roster and the way it was constructed and they had to make decisions on some of the jobs.


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[Assistant] They need two new corner outfielders. I'd love to see Quan in center field. Brendan is the fourth outfielder and Miles Straw, I don't know what you do with at this point. But, uh,


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[Assistant] Are you going to find two corner outfielders in the next couple of days? Probably not. Certainly not.


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[Assistant] I mean, if we're talking, if we're having a Mark Hanna conversation or, you know, some, uh, someone like who's a rental, who's an upgrade, but not a dramatic upgrade, those are the type of moves that they have shied away from in the past because they would rather get a look at their own guys. So then get a look at your own guys and get Oscar back up here.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'd make a move for Dylan Carlson or Joe Adele or someone like that who it's, it's a prospects for prospects type deal, possibly. Maybe it's a cell move with Savalli. If the Angels decide that they're going to stay in this now and go for it, you know, Adele becomes a little bit more available now because now you're trying to build pieces around Otani and Trout and what you've got there.


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[Assistant] And that may be a move, I think R. Ken Rosenthal, somebody just wrote it a couple days ago that


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[Assistant] I just don't know that this year it makes a lot of sense. I think Chris Antonetti won an MLB radio. He said they may look for an outfield type of bat at a low, I'm guessing it would be at a low cost. This just, it feels like a lost year for a lot of reasons.


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[Assistant] Well, McMahon's an infielder. I don't know where he really fits. He's, uh, primarily a third baseman. He could play over in the infield. I guess maybe move him to second slide. Jimenez to short. They need more outfielders than infielders, but McMahon probably is going to get dealt. Yeah. Good follow. From Colorado.


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[Assistant] There was a shark, we went to, uh, Destin last year for vacations, Florida, Florida Panhandle, beautiful. Great spot, Navarre Beach, we're in Navarre Beach. And a couple weeks ago there was a shark.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Cancun. Cancun, I knew it. And we're snorkeling in Cancun. My wife and I are snorkeling in Cancun. I think this was like 2016. I hadn't eaten anything all day. And...


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[Assistant] I was hot, I was starving, and they said, okay, well, now we're going to, and like, we get to this boat to go snorkeling. It was, the whole thing was shady. And they jump on this other boat and they get the snorkeling gear. And I'm like, well, there's no way that's clean. And they hand it to us, like, nobody can speak English. And we're out on this boat with like all these people from around the world.


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[Assistant] And this boat takes us out and they say, all right, jump. Okay. Snorkel. Okay. We're going to swim like all the way over here now. And the water is like 40 feet deep. Like this is not your normal snorkeling experience. And I just started going, and we had life jackets on, but the life jacket was too big. And I started going down.


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[Assistant] Three years. We've come so far in just three short years. The sign of a strong leader, sir. No. The will of a strong people.


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[Assistant] Thank you, sir.


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[Assistant] Your team deserves credit as well, Mr. Lightning Bolt.


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[Assistant] Yes, well, the security can mean many things.


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[Assistant] I was wondering when you'd come, Jack the Ripper.


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[Assistant] I can show you a better time than that, crusty old bear.


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[Assistant] And you, your reputation precedes you. Liberian, but white as snow. A natural-born killer, even as a child.


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[Assistant] I was born in Algeria myself, you know. I'm only half French.


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[Assistant] We had our own civil war in the 90s. So you see? Cut from this same cloth, you and I.


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[Assistant] I lost my whole family. Everything.


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[Assistant] My family's killers. That's when I realized, I am a killer too. And a good one at that.


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[Assistant] I slaughtered dozens in Iraq. In Afghanistan. I found my calling.


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[Assistant] What happened happened. To be honest, I found it quite dull.


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[Assistant] My enemies fell like domino. One after another. Not once did I feel threatened.


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[Assistant] If you would kill for your ideals, then surely you are ready to die for them.


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[Assistant] We can play up here without damaging the merchandise.


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[Assistant] For more on this and other Frontline programs, visit our website at pbs.org.


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[Assistant] Don't even try and blame this on me. You've been wanting to sleep with your bus driver for years.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna drink this whole beer. This is what you've driven me to. I'm gonna drink this whole beer until it kills me. But you can't. It'll kill ya.


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[Assistant] Started, uh, this business. It's called MyFrontPageStory.com. It's honestly amazing. Like, you talk to one of their writers.


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[Assistant] So many times now when, when they open it up and they see the quotes like,


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[Assistant] I just never thank her enough for all the little things she's done for me over the years. They cry every time. So highly encourage you and your audience to check out MyFrontPageStory.com because none of us really know what to get our wives or moms for like birthdays or Mother's Day or Valentine's Day. So MyFrontPageStory.com. I appreciate that.


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[Assistant] Alright, so you guys are gonna like the second story. The story of why I went to Princeton.


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[Assistant] Is because I was very much a late bloomer. I was like 6'4, 210 as a junior in high school, which is like a quarterback.


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[Assistant] Height and weight, playing offensive tackle, defensive end, and I was, I wasn't big enough to get recruited by the big boys on offense and not athletic enough on defense, so.


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[Assistant] I had scholarships to like William & Mary and Delaware, but.


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[Assistant] I thought, gosh, if I go to Prince or Harvard because of football, like, are you kidding me? Nobody from my family had ever done anything like that. So, um, I, those are the only two schools I applied to football helped me get into both of them, which is amazing. And I'm going to Princeton, but the better story.


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[Assistant] Is how I got moved to, to offensive line. So as a freshman, I actually started a couple of games at the end. There was an injury. I started a couple of games at the end, probably like 255.


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[Assistant] Uhm, season ends. I go back to my hometown, Redding, Pennsylvania, to an hour west of Philly. It's probably like for you guys, it's probably like, think of like,


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[Assistant] What did you do? I was like, had an amazing time? You know, I don't know. And so, and so what they said to me is they're like, listen, you'll start either way. Uh, D line probably D tackle at that point or O line. But if you play offensive line, like you could really.


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[Assistant] Cause you know, I can move a little bit. So you could really do something special or be something special. So uhm, I did it. I didn't really want to cause I liked hearing my name called when I made a tackle or whatever, but I switched off into line and thank God cause I wouldn't have had a prayer in heck.


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[Assistant] Of playing in the NFL on the defensive line. So, um, I can attribute my NFL career to yingling, Scrapple, and the diner.


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[Assistant] So Scrapple is like an Eastern PA thing. Uh, it gets into Jersey a little bit. It's delicious.


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[Assistant] You know, they process every aspect of it right? For ham, for, um, sausage, you know, whatever.


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[Assistant] No, I agree with you, and I would put the Browns into a similar category as the Jets this year. Which is, it's either playoffs, and everybody gets contract extensions, everybody's happy.


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[Assistant] Or it's disappointment, and they probably clean house, right? I mean that, that's, that's the reality of it, which by the way, is why the Jets made the trade they made. They gave up a lot for potentially only one year of Aaron Rodgers, but guess what?


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[Assistant] If they make the playoffs this year and their GM Joe Douglas and their head coach Robert Salo get contract extensions, who cares about next year's first round pick? We're rich. We just got 20, $30 million contract extensions. And if we get fired, then we really don't care.


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[Assistant] About next year's first round pick. We don't even work for the team anymore. I think there's some similarities there. I just don't envision, and by the way,


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[Assistant] I think Andrew Barry's really good at his job. I think Stefanski's good. I mean, Stefanski won a road playoff game with Baker Mayfield as his quarterback. I think that's pretty impressive. But back to back losing seasons, they make the big move for Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] They gotta make it work this year with Deshaun Watson. I don't envision Haslam having the patience to stick with these guys for another year.


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[Assistant] If it doesn't work out with Watson, cause then he's two years in with what? Three years left and he's going to probably bring somebody else in that can maximize the return on investment they get for the draft picks and money they give up to get to Sean.


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[Assistant] I think that's probably a little too early. Okay. I think if anything, the early bi-week might help Stefanski. If it was week seven, week eight, then you might have more of a point.


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[Assistant] But with it being week five and the schedule being what it is, I'd be surprised if Haslam did that. I mean, who would he go with then? Bubba Ventrone or? Schwartz. Jim Schwartz. Like who would he even put in as the interim head coach? How does that help them? And I tend to agree with you about Stepansky, by the way. I mean,


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[Assistant] You know, he gets to the playoffs and wins a play, a road playoff game with Baker. Then the next year, I mean, I don't even remember what happened. I called a game the next year when they played the Raiders on like a Tuesday or something. Was it like Nick Mullins was the quarterback? Yeah.


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[Assistant] I had done the Eagles preseason that year and Nick Mollins was terrible and he got cut by them.


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[Assistant] I mean, he was so bad, he got cut by the Eagles end of the preseason. He's starting a game with like a playoff berth on the line?


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[Assistant] In December, I don't know, I guess it's, it speaks somewhat well as to fans that even had him in that position. And then last year, I thought he got Jacobi Brissette to play the best football of his career.


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[Assistant] Uh, Watson wasn't ready when he came in and the defense was a disaster.


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[Assistant] But I think Stefanski's a darn good coach. I'm not carrying his water. If they don't make the playoffs this year, he's probably gone. Yep. But I tend to agree with you. I did coach rankings and I think I had Kevin like 24 and that was like my big takeaway from the rankings was like, wow, there's a lot of good coaches because I think he's a good coach.


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[Assistant] I think I had Salah 25. Salah probably makes the playoffs this year. You know, I think, I think, I mean, I had McDermott from the Bills 22, McCarthy from the Cowboys 21. There's a lot more good coaches out there than you realize.


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[Assistant] Listen, the Browns game a three year extension, right?


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[Assistant] I think they're pretty happy with that so far. It's not like a 5 or 6 year deal. It wasn't really crazy money at 12 million a year and to have him locked up


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[Assistant] You know, through 2024, I think they're pretty happy with that. I mean, the next year, the next couple of years are paying them about 11 million a year. I think they are fine with that. You know, I had J.C. Treader, the NFLPA president, former Brown Center,


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[Assistant] On my show, the Ross Tucker podcast recently, and we were laughing about this idea that running backs don't matter, don't make a difference. There's no way people that say that have watched a Browns game the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] You cannot watch a Browns game and tell me that Nick Chubb doesn't matter. You can't watch a Tennessee Titans game and tell me Derek Henry doesn't make a difference in the outcome of games. And by the way, speaking of coaches, everybody loves Kyle Shanahan. Everybody loves Sean McVay. Both those guys tried to trade for McCaffrey. Both of them.


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[Assistant] You know, the Niners ultimately got it done, but he's the highest paid running back in the league, and they both gave up draft picks for the right to take on that contract, which I think says a lot.


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[Assistant] About McCaffrey and at least how those guys, really good football minds, feel about the running back position.


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[Assistant] I think some of these teams regret the deals they gave, right? The Cowboys with Zeke. The problem is running backs get hurt and running backs can fall off a cliff, right? We know that. Which is why shorter deals are better.


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[Assistant] It's why the Giants are trying to go year to year with Saquon with the franchise tag. And now he signed this new deal. I would just say this.


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[Assistant] Running backs, I'll tell you what they should do. Uhm, after their third year, once they're eligible, I think they should hold in during training camp their fourth year. Hold in. Don't give up any fine money.


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[Assistant] You know, don't let them be able to take 50 grand away a day. Report to training camp.


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, you're never, you guys know, you're never 100%. Something's bothering you. Say it's bothering you too much to be able to practice. Because here's the thing. The Giants don't want to play games without Saquon Barkley.


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[Assistant] That's why they did this revised deal with him today. I don't, I wouldn't have signed it because I hate training camp. So to skip 45 days of training camp would be amazing. Say I'll say one had to do was signed the Friday before the first game and he gets all 10.1 million.


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[Assistant] And then by the way, then it's up to the giants.


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[Assistant] Whether or not they play him in that first game. They probably don't skip the whole, missed the whole week of practice. And they don't want him to get hurt.


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[Assistant] So, I would have waited longer and said to the Giants, I'm not showing up.


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[Assistant] Till the Friday before the first game, unless you give me 12 million or unless you agree not to tag me again, I thought Saquon could have and should have driven a harder bargain.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's no question. I guess I thought he would improve more than he has.


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[Assistant] Probably the best way to describe it. I don't know if he's been banged up or whatever.


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[Assistant] You know, I think he's a good player. I thought he had a chance to have a higher ceiling than what he's shown so far. I'm curious to see how he plays this year. Uhm, cause he's a integral part. I love their guards, but Tony Owen Teller. Uhm, I really like the way Conklin plays in the run game. Uhm, at times I feel like, you know,


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[Assistant] Jedrick Wills has kind of been a disappointment in some games, but...


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[Assistant] He's still probably top half of the league at left tackle and certainly top 20. And what you really can't have is one of the bottom 10 guys. So uhm, that's why they picked up the option. That's why, you know, they'll likely extend them because good enough is better than not good enough at that position.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeah, possibly. I don't know if I'm doing any this year. You guys actually play in the preseason at Philly. I'll be calling that game. So by the way, shout out, uh, because I think that game is a Thursday night and it'll be on NFL Network.


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[Assistant] But they have, uh, they have a couple of joint practices that week I'm gonna check out between the Browns and the Eagles. That'll be fun.


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[Assistant] Definitely not. No, they would not let those guys eat that. Although I say this all the time, these guys have no idea, man. The Eagles, like, uh, cafeteria is so good. I'll tell you right now, I would play


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[Assistant] For less than the minimum. I'll take half the minimum as long as I get to have all three meals at the Eagles Cafeteria every day.


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[Assistant] Who is it? I cut your head off! Put your stick down! I'm not gonna hurt you. Unless you give me a reason to.


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[Assistant] One day it'll fall on us, hopefully you won't be there. You'll come in the morning and...


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[Assistant] Something's got somebody rattled, kiddo. I don't know what it is, but they're mighty jittery.


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[Assistant] Yeah, his dad made him some wings out of feathers and wax. Then the boy flew too close to the sun.


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[Assistant] I know he ain't a runner anymore, but he's got contacts. You can't avoid him forever.


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[Assistant] Mmm, just what you'd expect. Alarms, fencing, armored cars, private security. Oh, and they secure our world, apparently.


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[Assistant] A few offices around town. Just got a new place down near the docks.


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[Assistant] Heard all I need to hear, kiddo. Listen, Creek says Kate's just been tried.


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[Assistant] Wonders of the swift justice program, huh? They found her guilty face.


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[Assistant] Black Klansman is a movie about a black man who infiltrates the KKK by using his professional phone voice. Now, I know a lot of y'all don't know this, but every black person has professional voice in their arsenal. Well, if you could come by around four o'clock, that would be wonderful. I would appreciate that so much. Thank youuuuuuuu. You gotta do that too.


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[Assistant] It's a bunch of white women. The screen goes dark. Lady Gaga come on screen and starts singing. I look at my girl, I say, you got my ass, didn't you? It's a movie about Chris Pine and he-


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[Assistant] And you know it's gonna make you cry. I got excited when Chappelle showed up cause I thought they was gonna let him be funny, but he was serious. Chappelle wasn't messing around. I think he's going through his Jim Carrey phase. Will you get serious about some stuff? I bet you, bet 50 days Chappelle be Nelson Mandela in his next film. I'm a diva, bitch.


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[Assistant] So I'm on the couch, I'm watching Netflix, I just finished watching Fuller House. And then Netflix was like, if you like Fuller House, you would love Roma. So I watched Roma. It is nothing like Fuller House. It was good, but it's not like Fuller House. That's why you can't trust computers. Alright, basically Roma is a movie about a woman working as a maid in Mexico. It's not like Mary Poppins, it's more like,


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[Assistant] Maria Poppins, but only now, uh, her magical power is not an umbrella. Her magical power is crippling depression. You ever see one of them people in the background on Narcos? And you'd be like, I wonder what they life is like.


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[Assistant] That's Roma. I almost didn't go see Roma because it was in black and white. I don't trust stuff in black and white because it's always some art film. Yo, the only stuff that you ever see in black and white is either something boring or it's surveillance footage from a gas station robbery or it's civil rights videos and all that stuff is traumatizing. The favorite was an interesting film that's basically


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[Assistant] You know I ain't watch that film. I ain't watch it. I just, I couldn't.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying it ain't a bad movie, I'm just saying if I went to see a movie about Tupac and all you did was tell me about Tupac's accountant, I would be like, why did you show me a movie about Tupac's accountant? You got a whole ass Tupac in the movie.


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[Assistant] You're probably in there as an easter egg, probably make a cameo. In the background, you hear some R. Kelly music. And then Christian Bale is Dick Cheney. It's like what in the world? Who's playing that Negro?


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[Assistant] Turn that off. Look, I got a lot of respect for Christian Bale. He do his thing, man. He get fat for one movie. He get skinny for one movie.


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[Assistant] If you've had little or no meditation experience, these guided meditations will help you start regular practice. Each session is about 10 minutes.


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[Assistant] Together, they will teach you the basics of mindfulness meditation.


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[Assistant] There will be plenty of prompts, instruction, and guidance to get you started.


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[Assistant] Once you've completed the beginner sessions, you will have the foundation and tools you need to further develop your practice. You can then move on to the other resources on the app.


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[Assistant] If you haven't already listened to the introductory session, you might want to do that first to get a quick overview of how and why you should meditate. Now let's get started with today's session.


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[Assistant] You can sit on a chair, a cushion, a bed or on the floor, but try to sit in an upright position with a straight back and relaxed arms and shoulders.


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[Assistant] With closed eyes, start by breathing deeply. Inhale through the nose, pause for a moment, and then fully exhale through the mouth. If you feel any tension in your body, try to observe it without judgment, and release it as you exhale.


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[Assistant] It can be useful to set an intention for each session. Are you trying to achieve a more peaceful state of mind? To de-stress? Or to relax your racing thoughts?


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[Assistant] As you clarify this intention in your mind, let your breath return to its natural rhythm.


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[Assistant] Notice the breath coming and going wherever it appears most clearly. Whether it's the rise and fall of your belly, the breath leaving your nose, or the expansion of your chest.


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[Assistant] If you get distracted by thoughts or sensations, there is no need to stop them. Just observe them and let them pass as you return to the breath.


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[Assistant] When you reach 10, you can start again at 1. Try that for the next few minutes.


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[Assistant] If you realize you've become distracted, acknowledge the distraction and return to counting the breath.


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[Assistant] As the session draws to a close, widen your awareness to all sensations, sounds, and feelings, just observing whatever arises without judgment.


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[Assistant] Developing a regular practice like this one will help to cultivate a sense of clarity and awareness in the present moment, and you'll soon be able to feel the benefits in your day-to-day life. See you back here soon.


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[Assistant] Uhm, a classified computer, an unclassified computer, and I'm used to seeing that document.


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[Assistant] On the classified computer and I did a real double take and I remember just sitting there for 30 seconds.