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[Assistant] Pull on the year is, I can tell you right now, I'm pulling it up.


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[Assistant] Against the spread in baseball, he is 5 and 4 on baseball bets.


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[Assistant] PFF we know is not the end all be all. I'm gonna read you his grades real quick. I'm not sure I've ever seen a player that the PFF grades differentiate from my eye test more. Cause when I watched the Buccaneers, I think Devon White is really good. I haven't watched a ton of them, but.


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[Assistant] For his career last year, he had a 45.5 overall grade.


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[Assistant] And he had a 42.6 run defense grade. The year before, in 2021, he had a 36.2 overall grade and a 29 grade against the run. The year they won the Super Bowl, which Tyvis, you alluded to where we thought he was really good.


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[Assistant] He had a 43.4 grade and was just a 41 against the run. And as a rookie, he had his highest graded PFFC's in 51.9, but still just a 46.9 against the run.


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[Assistant] So he actually grades highest on PFF and pass rush his coverage grades.


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[Assistant] Not great. 47.6 last year, 43.5 the year before, 39.8 in 2020, the year they won the Super Bowl, and 57.4 as a rookie. And to Tyvis' miss tackle question, he missed 16 tackles this year, 21 the year before, 16, and 13 as a rookie, right in the 12% range, which is pretty standard for a middle linebacker.


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[Assistant] I do have one thing to throw out there about whether or not this is feasible. Jason mentioned the financial side.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause he's in the fifth year of his rookie contract. So it's 11.7 this year.


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[Assistant] I gotta read and Earl's got a question he wants to pitch to you guys before we move on to our game of the day, which is certainly to get everyone happy, mad, and pissed off at the same time. But first!


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[Assistant] For jobs starting at $18 and up, plus full benefit packages, paid time off, and a signing bonus, you can apply online at precast.com slash careers to learn more. Earl asked me this this morning, he wants to ask you guys, it's about Devin White, then we're gonna play Keep Cut or Trade. Take it away, Earl.


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[Assistant] So this is Keep Trader Cut, the equivalent of FMK but with sports edition.


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[Assistant] So the rules, you gotta keep one, you gotta trade one, you gotta cut one. Simple as that. Okay. Are you guys ready? Let's roll. And we have bulls answers on the back end for each of these. So, we'll hear bulls.


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[Assistant] Question number one, Steve can take it. Keep trade cut. Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] I got four FUs from bowl by the way, throughout this. That is tough.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb, Jonathan Taylor, Derrick Henry.


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[Assistant] I don't know those. How much longer? He's going into his third year now.


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[Assistant] All right, I'm done. White outs. All right, we got six more of these. We got to move through them a little faster. Wide receiver one, Amari Cooper, Terry McLaurin, the Buckeye, and Brandon Iuk out in San Francisco. Keep cut trade.


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[Assistant] Bull disagrees with you guys though. We may agree out here, but as you'll find out, Bull, not on the same page. Let's take it, Steve.


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[Assistant] Hey, Bull's in the chat right now. What's up, Bull? Is he? Oh, you're wrong. Bull's in the chat. Yup. You're wrong. He is. Alright, next question. Wide receiver 2.


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[Assistant] Keep cut trade, Elijah Moore, Gabe Davis of Buffalo or Josh Palmer of the Chargers.


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[Assistant] Huh? Do you know what typist was on that take? What? Catastrophically.


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[Assistant] Jason, we have not done catastrophically wrong yet. I will explain to people next week what that really means. But, this is a tight end question. Keep Cut Trade, David and Joku.


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[Assistant] Evan Ingram and Pat Fryermuth. I'm keeping, I'm keeping the joke.


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[Assistant] So he was on your squad. He helped me a lot. We have three more. The last one is the best.


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[Assistant] We'll take our time, we're in no rush, but this is a defensive end category.


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[Assistant] We got two more, and the last one we gotta get to. This is the backup quarterback one.


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[Assistant] Josh Dobbs, Colt McCoy, Tyrod Taylor. Make this one quick.


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[Assistant] This is the goat category, the greatest of all time.


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[Assistant] We have to discuss Evan Mobley's candidacy for the NBA's Defensive Player of the Year award. There have been about 17% of the votes have been cast, at least publicly. And right now, Mobley is in second place behind Jaren Jackson Jr. on the official ballots that have been cast.


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[Assistant] However, I know at least one of us on this set believes it's a no-brainer. He should be defensive player of the year. And I know Tyvis may not agree with that. So.


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[Assistant] Jason or G, would you like to start either of you to make a case as to why Evan Mobley should be the NBA's defensive player?


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[Assistant] So two things on the Mobley thing real quick. If you guys haven't listened to... Do you guys listen to Bill Simmons podcast ever? By chance? Yes. No.


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[Assistant] He had Ryan Marsillo on and they were doing their, uh, NBA awards show and they both voted for Mobley and they both have official votes. They both cast for Mobley and their reasoning, I just thought it was interesting to throw it out there. Against Brooke Lopez, he's the third best defender on their team.


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[Assistant] Brook Lopez is the third best defender on the Bucks.


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[Assistant] Drew Holliday. Drew Holliday and Giannis are both better defenders than Brook Lopez. So they go, just by nature, I can't vote Brook Lopez as the player of the year defensively when he's not even the best defensive player on his own team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't like, you know, crapping on what broke down. What he's done is unbelievable. His contests, his contest numbers are second to none. You talked about contesting shots. Lopez is over like 11.7 contests per game. I think the next closest is like 8.2, but he also is in drop coverage and knows you have Drew Holliday, the best perimeter defender in the league, hounding dudes and Yanis to clean up anything else.


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[Assistant] Jared Jackson Jr., by the way, is what Jason said. He played 63 games and only averaged 28 minutes in those 63 games. He played literally a thousand less minutes than, uh, Evan Mobley, who played in 79 games, played 35 minutes a game. And even though his block numbers and his block rate numbers are historically good in this modern day era,


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[Assistant] Alright, before we get to our interview with Kyle Krabs, I gotta tell y'all about memberships and we gotta talk a little Guardians today in overtime.


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[Assistant] Uh, Earl, myself, and Anthony are doing a post-game show for the Cavaliers first playoff game on Sunday. Uh, Saturday, excuse me, check in for that.


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[Assistant] But yesterday here in Cleveland, not a pretty sight for the Cleveland Guardians. They got eviscerated by the Yankees. We're gonna spend two minutes on this, ten minutes on the other part of it, but quick thoughts, anything we have to address from last night's game?


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[Assistant] So last night's game, obviously no good. The rubber match is set for this afternoon against the Yankees. Guardians looking to take two of three. My question for you guys today though is, which one of the young Guardian stars has the best chance to be a


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[Assistant] Well, with that, it is 1230, which means that it's time to remind the world that the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show's lunch hour is sponsored by Call of Gracing, the official NASCAR team of Northeast Ohio. We're about to bring in Kyle Krabs here, an NFL draft expert, and this interview is sponsored by the USFL, which is coming to football fields near you this summer.


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[Assistant] Unbelievable action, great prices, family fun for everyone down in Canton. Check them out. The USFL is taking over football fields all across the country this summer. And with that, it's welcoming Kyle Krabs, NFL draft expert. Kyle, how you doing, man? I'm doing great. How are you guys doing?


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[Assistant] Kyle, I know we're not gonna ask you to predict who's there at 74, but I did the work for you and I went through as many mock drafts as I could find this morning for Brown's projections at number 74. Of these five options, which one do you think?


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[Assistant] Would fit into what the brown, like which one of these five projected mocks at 74 do you think is the, uh, the best fit for the browns?


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[Assistant] And Kyle, one more real quick. One of my favorite parts of the draft are all of the descriptive words they use to describe offensive linemen. Hog mollies, they got the oily hips, you know, fast feet, heavy feet, whatever. Dancing bears.


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[Assistant] Yeah, do you have a favorite draft term that if you said to someone else outside of the draft context, they'd be like, what the hell are you talking about?


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before we let Kyle go, Kyle, I have one question. You may not know the answers. How long have you been doing, like, detailed scouting reports on players coming out of the draft?


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[Assistant] So let's go back to 2016. Did you happen to have a scouting report on one Tyvis Powell, a safety from Ohio State?


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[Assistant] He can play with whatever he wants. They, uh, invited him multiple times. Also, if you guys have not been invited, I want to cordially invite you guys to the greening lakes collectors convention card show on.


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[Assistant] Tickets on sale now at GreedySportsCards.com. We will be there on Sunday. I heard there's a Papa Shot, which is on taking everybody's money and Papa Shot when we're down there at the Field House. It's also one last reminder that the Lunch Hour of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show is sponsored by Colleague Racing, the official NASCAR team of Northeast Ohio. We got 10 minutes left guys.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we'll play at times. I got you, don't worry.


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[Assistant] Thank you for having me. It was a long morning, early night, so sorry.


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[Assistant] I gotcha, uh, I had this name since I was about seven or eight. My first year of Pop Wonder, uh, my coach said, uh, when the quarterback came to the line, his eyes got big like he seen the boogeyman. And it just stuck with me.


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[Assistant] My hopes and dreams are, like you said, you know, this league is a league of opportunity. My dream is to get back to the NFL.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, I played, uh, with the Los Angeles Rams in 2019, so this league is just giving me the opportunity to continue to showcase my talent and hopefully somebody notices.


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[Assistant] That's the question I get a lot and I tell people everybody's situation is different. Uhm, this is my second year coming back with this team and the grass isn't always greener on the other side. You know, they have the rock as their owner and blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] Like I'm one of the prominent faces in this league. You know, they, they treat me amazing. This is my family. Uhm, I'm committed here. I gave them my word.


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[Assistant] There's no traffic in Yale Lane and there's no traffic in the USFL for me personally. Some guys left for their own reasons. You know, it starts earlier. You get a paycheck earlier as opposed to our league, but this is home for me. So that's why I didn't leave.


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[Assistant] Majority of the games are one possession. Uhm, there's a lot of talent here. There's guys that have won Super Bowls in this league. There's guys with 3-4 year veterans, NFL vets in this league that are trying to get back. And the thing about it is everybody's hungry.


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[Assistant] So you have a bunch of hungry guys chasing their dreams. So the competition level is, is not a problem. You know, the thing about it before these leagues came about.


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[Assistant] If you didn't go to Canada, there were just a bunch of guys with a lot of talent just sitting on their couches because there aren't enough roster spots. Right. Which these two leagues give guys the opportunity to play professional football and make a living for their families, so.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of talent and uhm, finding talent isn't the problem because there's people out there.


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[Assistant] I try not to look that far ahead, you know, I'm here, I like to stay present.


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[Assistant] And be grateful for this opportunity in this league because this is an amazing league. I'm having, I know we represent Pittsburgh, but I'm having an amazing time in Northeast Ohio. The people are amazing. It's great. It's just hard for me. They give me, they give me shit like, oh, you're


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[Assistant] No, absolutely. That's what I like to tell, uhm, the guys. We just gotta stay present.


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[Assistant] If they want you, they'll come find you. This league is the league of opportunity. It's owned by Fox Sports, a great broadcasting partner, a lot of notoriety in this league. They'll come find you. As you seen last year, I think we had about 60 guys signed out of this league as soon as it was done.


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[Assistant] And got NFL opportunities. So just put your best foot forward. Don't worry about the NFL. They'll come get you. Just ball, make plays. And I got that single digit on, so I really gonna pop off.


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[Assistant] That was my favorite player growing up. Now it's Aaron Donovan growing up, cause I'm from Los Angeles, California. We didn't have a football team. So I'm a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan. I'm a huge, I got.


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[Assistant] And I even, uh, in spite of being a broadcaster, he was one of the guys I looked up to during that. So uhm, I follow him heavily. Amazing person, so I can see the comparison.


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[Assistant] College, uh, I don't know if you guys are familiar with Quinn Flowers out of Youth. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] These fans surprised when he had my jersey. I'm like, where the hell you two sent that China? But they had went on his website.


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[Assistant] On this opportunity, you know, players have a lot of fans. Like I just made some new fans just now that would like to get the jersey. So hopefully they capitalize on that. That's above my pay grade, but who knows.


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[Assistant] All the kids in school will run and fear and hide.


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[Assistant] Then for the Xfinity series, we had a 7th place finish, an 8th place finish, and a 10th place finish, all combined for about 100 points in the Xfinity series, and we got about 19 points in the cup series.


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[Assistant] I guess most of you guys maybe saw my previous video, the sound of Sweden.


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[Assistant] If you haven't seen it yet, you can find the link in the description below. But I did that film as a project for Google Arts and Culture to celebrate the European Year of Cultural Heritage. That is what the launching event was about. So I was one of seven YouTube creators from different countries in Europe that


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[Assistant] Contributed with a video where we capture


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[Assistant] I didn't film as much as I wish I would have done, but of course I have filmed a little.


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[Assistant] And I thought I would tell you a little about this journey and what I've done and the wonderful people that I've met.


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[Assistant] And I finally came to my hotel room. A really nice hotel in the middle of the city of Athens.


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[Assistant] I'm so exhausted. It's been a really weird day. Well, first of all, I'm just super tired. You know, traveling is draining. But, I mean, I can take that. There's no problem. But I definitely had the worst flight of my life today. And I'm


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[Assistant] I'm still very shocked about what happened. I feel like the whole day I have wanted to cry since that happened, but I haven't been able to because I've been traveling, you know, sitting on airplanes and hurried to the next plane and so I just wanted to come to the Houghton Road so I could just, you know, call my mom and cry.


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[Assistant] There was an old man that died. He and his wife were sitting


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[Assistant] And after that I just spent some time preparing for the event the next day. We, the YouTube creators, were gonna be in a panel talking about the cultural heritage and, you know, our thoughts about the films that we made and I just wanted to prepare a little bit for that.


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[Assistant] My home. It's like double. And the weird thing is that it was super warm in Greece, but I was so ready for autumn now, so I actually missed the cold, crispy air. So when I got home again and it was frosty outside, I was like, ah, finally, I can breathe again.


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[Assistant] I always feel so lucky to come home again to all the things I love and to the silence and to nature and to my home.


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[Assistant] I'm 21 and I'm from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, which I would like to call the Sherwood, Louisiana. Sherwood, USA. My hood is like it's own city.


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[Assistant] I always hung around the street niggas in school, like, I always hung around the street niggas in school. Niggas that like to do bad shit.


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[Assistant] I would say every band and rouge artist style inspired my sound and my flow. Like that's what I was really listening to and you know that's where I'm from. You feel me? You know we got a very distinct sound. So you know that's where I'm from. Like, I really don't even know. I really like this. So I rap.


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[Assistant] So I changed my Instagram name to Sherwood Morton because he called me Morton Morton.


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[Assistant] You guys, half of you are so afraid of the NRA. There's nothing to be afraid of.


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[Assistant] And you know what, if they're not with you, we have to fight them every once in a while. That's okay.


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[Assistant] There are a lot of people around NRA looking to be rich. Can't imagine any other non-profit in the entire country.


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[Assistant] Who gives $25, they don't know where their money's going.


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[Assistant] Bill Clinton ran against braindead politics in both parties.


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[Assistant] Barack Obama was introduced to the country saying there's not a blue America and a red America. And each of them, by the end of their presidency, the country was more divided than when they took office.


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[Assistant] He very much made accentuating the divide part of his campaign strategy and even more incredibly part of his governing strategy. I think he is the first president who arrived explicitly, uh, understanding and, and even, uh, seeking to speak only to his base.


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[Assistant] And what this produces is two Americas.


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[Assistant] That are separate, not only in their partisan affiliation, but in pretty much everything. Trump didn't create this. We've been heading in this direction for years. But he leaned into it and everything he has done has deepened this trench.


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[Assistant] Palestinians who are fed up. So everything unravels.


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[Assistant] Security for them went backwards. Freedom of movement went backwards. Freedom of religion went backwards. The economy went backwards.


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[Assistant] He started off by sending the right signals to Palestinians. And I found that, uhm, very sincere. Because he didn't need to make that phone call.


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[Assistant] But to never follow up his signals with actual action. He didn't back up his statements against settlements with actual actions and saying to the Israelis, you have to make a choice now. Do you want these settlements or do you want the money that we spend, that we give you every year?


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[Assistant] It's always just been one signal after another signal after another signal. And this is an area that deals well with signals. This is an area that requires concrete action.


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[Assistant] He loves the energy and he loves the adoration that he gets from those rallies.


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[Assistant] It's a critical tool for him, these rallies to keep that connection.


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[Assistant] We're waiting Donald Trump to take the stage. This is out of Tampa, Florida. Breaking news. Donald Trump about to rally thousands of supporters.


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[Assistant] I just searched it right now, Pat, uh, $27 gets you 5,000 views, 50 bucks gets you 1,000 subscribers, and I don't know what SEO ranking is, it sure sounds like dumping them up. Search engine optimization. 32 bucks is, uh, 1,000 of those dumb bots.


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[Assistant] Did AQ Shipley get it? The 75, what was it, 75 5-star reviews? Was that real?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they read an article titled, Zeke Elliott admits to being high.


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[Assistant] This ring finger, I told you they had to take a ligament out of my wrist and bolt it into my finger here. I told you my finger was sideways for like four months. This one. What was it from? Was it from a jersey? Uh, it was a jersey or a helmet. I don't know. Did you finish the game?


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[Assistant] My hands are much better than a lot of people's. I don't think so. Booger? You ever seen booger's fingers? Ah, true.


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[Assistant] What's like, what, I guess I haven't seen him. What makes him stand out?


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[Assistant] Well, what are you trying to say when you say if Dan Snyder and the Washington football team to be named later? I guess who knows when their new name will be revealed if. Do you think the new naming is trying to take some of the smoke away from what is eventually going to come out?


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[Assistant] I mean, that's a huge, uh, okay, yeah, like you said, we don't, we don't know anything.


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[Assistant] Black eye for the NFL, for whatever team was involved, whatever teams, owners, players, refs, everyone. I mean, we knew, look what happened when Tim Donahey, the NBA ref, like what happened with


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[Assistant] Most of them I felt pretty good about, and I would talk to them before the game, during the game, and it felt okay with them. I was never super tight with any of the refs. Stair door! Stair door!


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[Assistant] I like Stereotour. Now, was it Triplet? Triplet's not exactly my guy.


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[Assistant] So we're waiting for the Washington Post to put this out, right? Are they the ones that did it?


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[Assistant] I have Matthew, we'll get onto that in a minute. I must say from somebody from a theatrical background, uh, you've broken the fourth wall here. Uhm, I am in my, uh, book-line study, as is Karun. Bernie is in her strategy, uh, uh, mission control, and you are in your, uh, your riverside,


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[Assistant] Exactly, exactly, linked up to every Formula One server. And the shirt is in reference to my, as we're going to get onto, underrated driver of the year. This is the shirt.


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[Assistant] That I bought in the night market in Bangkok, uh, when we went to, uh, hang out for a couple of days with Alex Alban. Sorry to do a plot spoiler or a spoiler for the art for my answer there, but this is the very shirt, uh, that I wore in that shoot with Alex Alban.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'd be asleep, Matthew. I wouldn't think about it, but what I would think about in retrospect this year is just the


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[Assistant] Relentless nature of pursuit of perfection.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and that was it. And they never gave up. He never wanted to give up being perfect. And, yeaah, there were some races, uh, that showed that you have to be perfect. Max had to be perfect because there was enough of competition left.


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[Assistant] Do you remember the, the Cheko celebrating and the, and the Joss not wanting to say well done to Cheko moment immediately, even though I think he later went on to do so. Uhm, and you know, so he was really annoyed. Max was really annoyed and that's what made him.


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[Assistant] But I think I have the moment, Matt, that you're talking about, uhm, that they went for this one thousandth lap.


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[Assistant] It was at, uh, 2.26 and 19 seconds in the middle of the race. And there was a message from GP Lambiazzi to Max Verstappen, which was just, uh, four words. Okay, mission A complete. And that was it. And it was like no context. Uh, and I, it came up on my feed and I thought, what was mission A?


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[Assistant] And then it turns out that was what they were thinking. They hadn't told us that they were going to do that. And that was their mission A for the race to better a thousand laps or a thousand and three laps in the lead. And they really accomplished that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, even though, because, maybe because Mercedes was saying, well he sat no further forward than he did last year, and Lewis would say,


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, but last year didn't go exactly very well either, and I just didn't talk about it. But, I just think when you look that he was not connected to the car, and particularly, uh, that was evidenced in Abu Dhabi, uh, last weekend, for him to still be P3 in the constructors. Sorry, P3 in the drivers. Got constructors on the brain.


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[Assistant] Uh, is the driver of the year who's not Max Verstappen. For me.


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[Assistant] Not really, and knowing Andrew Benson as both Karun and I do, having been his colleagues at various TV stations throughout the time, I think maybe what Benson, a self-avowed Fernando Alonso aficionado, was after was tempting Mike to fall into the Alpine trap of not committing to Fernando Alonso long term.


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[Assistant] And Mike was too clever for that, uh, because we've learned from Alpine, haven't we?


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[Assistant] I forgot his name, he's been gone so long. Lauren Rossi, that's it. Uhm, and by extension, I guess, Otmar, although I think it was Lauren Rossi's fault.


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[Assistant] You know, you better commit to Fernando Alonso long term and leave it up to Fernando to decide when he's had enough, otherwise you will invoke his ire. So I think that's probably, I don't know, am I reading that differently? Karim, what do you think?


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[Assistant] Alright, well I'll give you two thirds. I'll give you Yuki Sonoda, who I think we have our overlooked because, you know, he's made the odd mistake, look at Mexico, but he has, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and uhm, and so I'd probably go, uh, I might go Zhou Guangyu, actually, because he had a couple of times in the points and decent, decent runs in the points, uh, which, uh, went completely unreported, more or less. Uhm, but yeah, no, I'm still going with Alex Alwyn for my underrated. I might go Nico Hulkenberg.


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[Assistant] Well anyway Matthew, you need to, you need to wait, you can't put Paul Scherr in Williams, you need to wait and put him in a race winning car, because firstly we need more people called Theodore in the sport, uh, and secondly we need to see what he's gonna, what's gonna happen when he wins a Grand Prix.


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[Assistant] Because did you see his, his celebrations when he won? Yes, the team radio. No, only the team radio, but when he made sure he'd got his helmet off before he did the victory and then did the victory, uuuh, like that. I mean, his celebrations were so flamboyant. I want to see him win a Grand Prix to see what he's going to do next. Sorry, go on, carry on.


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[Assistant] We had Lewis Hamilton, who's had, we've had the Lewis Hamilton era, uh, before Max. And before Lewis's era, we had the Fernando Alonso era for 2005 and 2006. Not as long as he would have liked, but hey, that's the way it was. And before Fernando era, it was the Michael Schumacher era, of course, in F1. So, um, that was the first time, I know we had it.


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[Assistant] Uh, later on the season as well, but that was the first time the podium. You remember that? It was written down here, Max Louis Alonso, Stroll, then I think Perez, then Lando and then Hulkenberg and then Oscar Piastri. So do you remember all his restarts and red flags? Very entertaining. That's right. Very entertaining.


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[Assistant] Right, what have I put? I have put, uhm, with an honorable mention for Niko Hulkenberg in Canada for P2.


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[Assistant] Interesting. Okay. And so it wasn't the display of brilliance that Karun underlines from Verstappen in, in Suzuka.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because it was the final Alonso long run. Uhm, I even said it, not to say I told you so, but uhm, uh, uh, I even said it in my last testing notebook, that if you did the Grand Prix today, it would have been Max, Checo and then Alonso. But you're right, we weren't sure.


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[Assistant] If, where the others were, that's the point about where we knew Alonso was good. Uhm, so I'm also gonna go, that's, uh, I'm gonna go, my first one is, uhm, Alonso chasing down Max in Zandvoort at the end after the red flag and the restart.


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[Assistant] Uhm, can he stay ahead of him? Yeaah, he can, woo, feel good, feel good. Uh, okay, Lando, third is Lando, uh, himself in Silverstone. So this incorporates what you're saying about McLaren, both of you and, and, and their performance in Silverstone. But Lando is so popular everywhere we go.


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[Assistant] You know, in Holland, he gets just as big a cheer, well, almost as big a cheer, as Max does. You know, in Brazil, he's hugely popular. He's so popular everywhere, but to do it at Silverstone, to be P2 at Silverstone, his delight on the radio afterwards. So that's number three. Uhm, number four, uh, Ricardo in Mexico.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's, uh, everywhere that he's come, break, coming back from the broken hand. Yes, maybe Yuki, you know, made a mistake and would have finished ahead of him, but that was feel good because he's still.


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[Assistant] The mojo is back, and that was feel good for me. Uh, five, uh, I'm going to say Gasly on the podium after the Alpine Knight of Long Knives, uh, Otmar Zafnau, Alan Perman, um, parting companies with.


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[Assistant] Uh, the, uh, the turmoil. We'll call it the Alpine Turmoil. Uh, and for Pierre Gasly to get a podium after that. And uhm, just to break my own rule, uh, six.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm gonna end with, uhm, a driver that wasn't even driving this year, but had a good, uh, uh, feel-good moment as to see a Formula One world champion in a man who's found peace with himself and what he wants to do this year, and that's Sebastian's B Hotel.


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[Assistant] That for me, in Suzuka, to see a guy who was as excited as he was, you know, winning races about insect hotels, was a real feel good moment for me.


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[Assistant] And mine in the sense on the team radio, whenever he joined us as the pit boss on the team radio feed, on the pit wall, he would say,


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[Assistant] I'm old, but I'm not that old to have been around in 1988 when the MP44 won all the races apart from one. I always look back on that time and thought, I wonder what it would have been like to actually work on that season. I know while we had the fight between the two teammates, maybe that we didn't have the Red Bull.


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[Assistant] That was interesting, but I'm glad I lived through it and actually did it. So, uh, yeah, so seeing, you know, seeing, um, perfection at work, uh, has been interesting and enjoyable in its own way and seeing the chasing pack get closer.


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[Assistant] You know, the likes of McLaren improving, the likes of Aston Martin improving, which does give me hope that while clearly Red Bull will make another step forward next year, everybody else will have closed up enough.


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[Assistant] To give us the closer championship. I'm not going to say it's going to be hugely close and that anyone's going to beat Red Bull. They might not yet, but it is going to be much closer next year than it was this year.


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[Assistant] The nude calendar. No, certainly not. Together with Valtteri's tan lines and everything. It's quite the thing to behold and worth your money as a Christmas present for charity.


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[Assistant] Hello everyone, welcome to this week's episode of the Sky Sports F1 podcast. Joining me for this one is Damon Hill and fresh from her weekend in Sao Paulo, Naomi Schiff. Hello to both of you. Naomi, let's start with you. You were in Brazil, how was it?


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[Assistant] Very good. Uh, Naomi, I mean, look, do you have a one word race review? You said earlier you didn't, so I'm going to put you on the spot now and ask you a word.


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[Assistant] What I like, actually, to be fair as well, is at least it's a discussion. It feels like there is, Stefano de Minicali is having discussions with the teams and with the drivers.


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[Assistant] Story and a brilliant end to the race, but, but the first part, the first section of the podcast I want to talk about is Mercedes and Lewis Hampson finished, finished eighth.


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[Assistant] And then he also said it was the worst weekend in 13 years, which I think is an extraordinary thing to say. Naomi, what was the mood in the paddock post race on Sunday?


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[Assistant] Naomi, just try and explain how a car go, because it's so inconsistent. So how can Lewis go from finishing P2 in Mexico to finishing in, in, in P8 in, in Brazil? How does that happen?


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[Assistant] And on that, do you think, say Brazil last year when George won the race, do you almost think, a bit like what Naomi's saying there, when that happens with this concept of car, that's almost


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[Assistant] And we know of course with sprint weekends if you don't get that right in FP1 it has such a negative impact throughout.


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[Assistant] Uh, Damon, I want to pick you up on something you said about Red Bull and we had Nico Rosberg on the podcast a few weeks ago.


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[Assistant] And he was saying, entirely unrelated to Mercedes, he was saying, about Checo, he was saying,


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[Assistant] He feels that fans perhaps look at Checo and say, well, you've let us down this year because you're in the fastest car to challenge and give us close racing, to give us battles.


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[Assistant] And I wonder if there's a sense with fans of F1, with Mercedes now, it's, you know, you are eight time constructors champions in this era of Formula One. You are the ones who have the resources and the power to give us fans


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[Assistant] Better racing, closer, closer racers. Do you see a little bit of that argument? Can you see a bit of frustration amongst fans that, that we don't have closer racing, that actually Mercedes are the ones with the power to change it?


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[Assistant] Naomi, I was going to ask you as well, obviously, with regards to what the drivers are going to be thinking here, because, I mean, Lewis, this is one of his quotes from Post Race on Sunday, the Red Bull is so far away that they are probably going to be very clear for the next couple of years.


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[Assistant] Given that Lewis has a contract for two years and, you know, is obviously getting on. I mean, Fernando will come onto Fernando Alonso in a bit. He's obviously performing at the very, the top of his game, but.


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[Assistant] Where, where, where do you think Lewis's head is at? Where do you think George's head is at? They must be so frustrated, mustn't they?


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[Assistant] It's a daunting prospect, isn't it? A faster Red Bull next year. And obviously we have to remember that this has already started, right? The designers have already been working on the 2024 car, you know, over the last few months and months before that. So it's, yeah, I mean, it's going to be very, very interesting to see where they all end up. A good segue there. You mentioned Aston Martin. Let's,


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[Assistant] Let's move on to a very positive story I think, in terms of Aston and Fernando Alonso.


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[Assistant] Uh, Damon, one of Fernando's best drives, would that be fair to say, across his whole career?


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[Assistant] Speaking of cunning, Nomi, how impressed were you by his...


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[Assistant] Sorry, one thing to pick you up on there. How on earth do you duck in a car? Are you like lim- is it limbo? Are you like leaning back or are you leaning forward?


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[Assistant] Wow. Extraordinary. I'd like to see them do that in Formula One.


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[Assistant] Both Lance Stroll who finished P5 and Lance obviously finished P3 got on the podium.


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[Assistant] That was a, that was a very good weekend for a team that, if you remember at the start of the weekend, there was all sorts of rumours about Fernando Alonso. Would he leave? Was he, you know, was he exhausted from the project Aston? Did he not see much hope for the future there? But by the end of the weekend, the narrative completely changed.


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[Assistant] Naomi, is that, is that the complete opposite of what's going on at Mercedes in the sense of they really seem to understand at Aston what's, what's going on with their car, whether it's positive or negative. And that's been the case over the last three, four months. Whereas at Mercedes, it doesn't really feel like they know what's wrong with the car. And it is very hard to fix a car that you don't know what's wrong with, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you alluded to it there, billions of pounds at stake really with the future of this. I think that concludes Brazil and the two topics I want to talk about with Brazil.


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[Assistant] Final thing I want to get your thoughts on before we go is Vegas. We've obviously got Las Vegas next week. It's come round oh so quickly. I can't believe we're actually going to go racing on the strip in Las Vegas, but there we are. The last time we were there was in 1981 and 1982, which was in the Caesars Palace car park. I don't know if


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[Assistant] Anyone, Damon, you have any recollection of that at all? Or you watched it on telly or not? No, I wasn't.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Naomi, you went to the launch, didn't you? Which I guess was about a year ago, is that right? Exactly, a year ago. What are you expecting from Las Vegas this time round?


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[Assistant] Damon, if you were asked back in the day, if you were asked, Damon, you've got a, you've got a race or you've got to be, you've got to go to your quali session now, it's midnight. Do you, do you not think that, how are the drivers going to deal with that? It's, it's a completely skewed, I mean, not just the drivers, the whole team, it's, it's so skewed into the evening, which no one is used to in Formula One.


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[Assistant] I asked this because I assume that Drew Brees is going to be taking everyone's best shot next year, defenses. Uh, do you think, like, for you guys, like, do you think there will be more injuries because there aren't any fans in the stands? So like, it'll be harder to like, I mean, do you get like that much more adrenaline, you know, to like maybe play through like some ailments or anything like that?


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[Assistant] Uh, either way, but I think more like the lingering one, like if something's kinda just like tweaked and like typically a guy would be able to push through it because of how much juice he has and adrenaline from like the atmosphere in the stadium.


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[Assistant] Hello everyone, welcome to this week's episode of the Sky Sports F1 podcast and joining me for this one is Karun Chantok from his hotel room in Las Vegas. Karun, hello, how are you? I'm good, thanks.


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[Assistant] I was going to pull you up on this because you, you put a tweet out earlier this week about how you're actually looking forward to the sporting aspect as well. We've obviously had, well, we've had Miami, haven't we? Most recently is kind of a new, a new track on the calendar. We know America does it bigger and bolder than, than a lot of the other races.


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[Assistant] Engineers, drivers, all like certainty, right? That's, that's what you're trying to cling onto and, and, and you're trying to predict conditions and trying to predict how a car will react in those conditions. For, for us as fans watching this weekend, it's going to be really exciting because there, as you mentioned, there are so many variables that, that can happen.


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[Assistant] If you were, if you were driving this race this week, how on earth would you prepare for a track like this?


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[Assistant] So we know that one of the challenges with a street track, particularly when you're going to somewhere like Las Vegas, if you're trying to include all of the kind of key landmarks within a, within a track, how on earth, if you're the track designer, do you go about doing that?


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[Assistant] I saw this on Tritty yesterday. There's a couple of tracks that resemble...


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[Assistant] We do have a race. We do have sessions, uh, that we're going to see cars in anger going around Vegas. And speaking of that, we've obviously, that track has been designed with the Vegas strip in mind. So you've got the, the, uh, the landmarks of the Bellagio and the Caesar's palace and, and all of those amazing, iconic Vegas landmarks.


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[Assistant] Just a word then on the spectacle of what we think we might see this because it, it's at night. It's, it's going to be glitz. It's going to be glamorous. It's, it's under the lights. This is going to look spectacular, isn't it?


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[Assistant] Let's hope they don't put too much on the Sphere that's going to distract the drivers. The Sphere is... What do you think they should put on the Sphere? Well, I don't... I've seen some quite fun mock-ups. There was a green screen that someone put on Twitter of the Sphere and people have been putting all sorts into that on Twitter. I mean, it looks incredible, but I would imagine as a Formula One driver, as you're coming into that


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[Assistant] Um, just sort of finally on the event itself then, what, what do you think would be a successful event? A successful, obviously we've got this for 10 years. So what, what, what are we looking for in this first edition of the Las Vegas Grand Prix that will make us excited for next year and the coming years?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I'm sure it will look, look great. Uh, we've got the opening ceremony, kind of, uh, I think that's later today or, or sorry, it might be, it might be tomorrow. I was going to ask you most excited about seeing, talking of stars. We've got John Legend, Tiësto, Will.i.am, 30 seconds to Mars. I think Kylie might be there. Who of those are you going to, are you going to, who's merch are you buying?


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[Assistant] Oh, I mean, this is certainly a pretty good line up for an opening ceremony. Before I let you go, what are you up to the rest of the rest of today? Recording this on a Tuesday. Obviously everything is a day earlier for Vegas. So tell us what you got planned for the rest of today.


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[Assistant] And try and stay awake till goodness knows when, midnight. Cause that's when the session's gonna be.


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[Assistant] Nice one. Kareem, thank you very much. I really appreciate your time. Enjoy your day in Vegas. I'm sure there's going to be plenty to dissect next week, so we'll be back next Tuesday to look back at the Las Vegas Grand Prix. Hope you can join us then. Bye for now.


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[Assistant] Yes, no, there was, uh, the first lap, uhm, this is very sad, so anyone who's sensitive, uh, with regards to anything to do with animals and cruelty and stuff like that, you have to put your fingers in your ears and don't listen to this bit, it's horrible.


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[Assistant] But basically we, we all rounded this lovely sweeping hill round the, dune round the back. We came round the corner, the fast one at the back, to, to see a family of, I think they were geese.


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[Assistant] We watched Casino, the film, you know, with Robert De Niro and stuff. So Vegas obviously has got a very fruity, uh, history and reputation. And, uh, and, and so I have been to Vegas once before.


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[Assistant] Head in the lion's mouth and, and see whether we get spat out or whether they take to it, uh, and, and love it. But the moment, the, the, the, the feeling is that America has really taken to Formula One and they're desperate to get to Vegas. And so it should be a good vibe.


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[Assistant] But you, I would urge our viewers, I don't know if Sky's got the rights to it, but anyway, there was a very brilliant documentary done by Clive James on Vegas, so it's called Clive James Go to Vegas, and that was the last time.


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[Assistant] I think there's a slim chance he could get bored because, uh, listening to some of his comments about Formula One is, uh, he's, he seems quite negative about having to do any extra work or the amount of flying and stuff he has to do. So you never know, he might just go, oh, I can't be bothered with this anymore and go off and, uh, play his computer games in Monaco, right? And that's, but that's a very, very slim chance of that happening. So yeah, there's nothing to stop him, is there really?


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[Assistant] I think it's, it is stressful isn't it for people working and doing all the races.


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[Assistant] He's had an incredibly long trip. He had a bit of time out, as did Kimi. Uhm, you do wonder whether sometimes these drivers need a, they need a kind of reset year where they kind of go, okay, I want to do all these other things I don't have time for when I'm a Formula One driver.


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[Assistant] And well, okay, go and do it. And then you'll realize that actually you really are much more interested in winning Grand Prix's.


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[Assistant] And the guys who've come back have really kind of, I think they've hit the ground with more enthusiasm than they had before they were doing it. So I'm not sure about all his talk of getting exhausted and there's too many races. I think that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it looks great on the outside if you want a break and you want to, you know, go on your boat and lounge around in Ibiza or whatever it is. Uhm, but until you do it, you know.


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[Assistant] So, but did it ever go into the realm of how do we get the driver to think in terms of giving more performance or was it not psychology wasn't your thing? Because, I mean, you just touched on something, for me it's quite interesting.


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[Assistant] I think it's, I think it's, you touched on the point I was trying to get to. I think it can become, say me, even for the guy who's winning and they want a challenge and they want a race. They want, they need, I think Senna was interesting when he


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[Assistant] But, you know, winner takes all. It'd be great to see. I mean, I think this is, you know, it's leading up to them.


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[Assistant] Ticking all the boxes, breaking all the records and I kind of would like to see that happen, honestly, because then it's an historic season and you were there to witness it and they're breaking all the records as they go and we're going into a...


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I was thinking back to the, the Dawn of Formula One, uh, and some drivers would have won the Constructors on their own because there wasn't a Constructors Championship until 1958. So they brought, they brought the Constructors in.


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[Assistant] Who also hasn't signed his contract as far as we know.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna nick anyones, but I'm gonna mention more than one. And I'm gonna mention a way of, a way of...


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[Assistant] And almost qualifying in the back row of the grid for some of the races this year. And then now they are able to get on the front row.


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[Assistant] And with two fantastic drivers who we've just talked about, I mean, it's easy to get carried away with Oscar. You know, Lando is still, uhm, you know, he hasn't lost any of his talent and he's, uhm, he's still the guy to beat, I think. Uhm, so in that team, so they've got,


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[Assistant] It's good. I've been retired for a little over five years and uhm,


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[Assistant] Every year my broadcasting presence has grown just a little bit. It started with just doing the Indy 500 and then.


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[Assistant] It went to a couple of NASCAR races, one F1 race and now it's like a bunch of F1 races as well as the Indy 500 and a couple of NASCAR races. So I have myself a little 10 race series in the season now. So that feels like a really good retired amount right now.


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[Assistant] Oh no, no, and I'm not sure if full-time is any- is something that I could do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, cause it's like if you're gonna travel the whole schedule and do that, do it all. Just feels like you'd rather drive, so uhm.


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[Assistant] I just enjoy doing so many other things. I have other companies. I have other interests and


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[Assistant] You know, truth be told, I do a little bit of vacationing now or a lot of it. So I really enjoy that.


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[Assistant] But, uh, you know, what I never expected was one, actually how hard it is to do the interviews, to conduct the interviews, um, and


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[Assistant] To really get into all that anyway, but it's so part of the job and uhm, and so you have to know a lot of things and uhm, you have to ask.


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[Assistant] So I now have more empathy for those interviewing athletes or anyone in particular, anyone like, you know, with a famous name or doing a big job because uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, it's a stressful situation and you want to do a good job and every now and again, I'd like get, I would not be maybe the most pleasant. So I'm sorry to those people out there that, uh, interviewed me that I would.


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[Assistant] You know, something like they'd ask me like, oh, are you excited to be back at Kansas Motor Speedway? And I remember one time.


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[Assistant] Oh, no, no, no, worse. I remember real time in particular, I always said, is that the best question you can come up with?


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[Assistant] I do think that there are better questions than that, of course. I think that, you know, I think that, uh, that is a pretty generic one, but I do understand the position the other person's in and just how many people that


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[Assistant] That, uhm, interviewer has to know about. So uhm, but, uh, but, and then I just, you know, the camaraderie on the other side is really fun. And it really, you know, broadcasts really rely on having a good relationship with the other people, uhm,


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[Assistant] That you're working with. And so that's really the biggest reason why I do the form of so many Formula One races now is because I really enjoy the crew.


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[Assistant] I mean, I've been on television doing various different things for a really long time.


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[Assistant] You know, I was like, I remember when I was 14, I was on this, I was on MTV, like doing this, like extreme athletes doing things and.


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[Assistant] Then there was a really big piece that was on ABC Sports and it was called, uh, Passion to Play Making of a Champion and it was with myself.


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[Assistant] Anna Kornikova and Tara Lipinski, and we're all 14.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so television, like cameras around has been something I've been very comfortable with for a really long time.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but as far as hosting goes, you know, it was cool. NASCAR did a really good job of utilizing their assets at the track and so,


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[Assistant] Uhm, there was actually one race at Pocono where it was an all-driver broadcast for the series below us, what was then called the Nationwide series. Uhm, so all the drivers were the broadcast that day. So, you know, and then there were some other ones where they would have me up there for


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[Assistant] Play by play is not my thing, like Profty have at it, but, but as far as just like giving a different perspective, a driver's perspective, a little insight into the, the workings and the dynamics within teams and drivers, that's something I enjoy sharing.


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[Assistant] I would say that like that feeling of like the sensation of the car like creeps up maybe


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[Assistant] One or two percent every year, like I've noticed like a little like, oh, like the sensation of it is so unique that, uhm,


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[Assistant] It's been a while now, uhm, but I by no means wish I was out there.


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[Assistant] I mean, cause there's a, there's a physical risk element and uhm, but mostly like an ego risk element. You know, my greatest fear for forever was just failing, you know, not being good, so.


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[Assistant] I think that, uh, I think that it is hard to match that, but it doesn't mean you can't kind of scratch the surface like,


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[Assistant] I have this theory that in general, we kind of...


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[Assistant] Find our peak moments, like we find our peak stress naturally with whatever we're doing based on how, you know, pushing ourselves. Cause we only push ourselves as hard as we're willing.


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[Assistant] To stress ourselves out usually, and so I find that everybody kinda has their rhythm. It's where some people are nonchalant about everything, right? You meet people and they're like,


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[Assistant] Cool as a cucumber no matter what. Then you meet other people that get stressed out and anxious over the smallest things and so everybody kinda has their set point for it so...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I still, I still get close with various different things that I do and I'm not sure if it's because it's just as stressful or if it's just maybe, maybe it ends up having to do with just my natural set point or how much I care. Maybe I'm not really sure.


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[Assistant] Well, my earliest memory is probably not the same as when it all got started, but uhm, but they probably go a little bit hand in hand. I mean, I remember being at the dirt track with my sister and my dad was working on a car and uhm, my sister and I were in the grandstands just like buying like, you know, hot dogs and freezy pops and Snickers, I'm sure.


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[Assistant] And, uhm, collecting like all the clay that the cars kick up off the corner and, uh, so I remember that, uhm,


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[Assistant] But when it all changed, I don't think there was a time I went to the track and watched something that it changed, but I think that driving and winning


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[Assistant] Was probably when it changed. That was where the dream to become a race car driver came.


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[Assistant] That I would go to college for engineering so I could learn how to work on my race car.


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[Assistant] Then I realized when I came to England that you did not need to know about cars, you just needed to go make a cup of tea.


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[Assistant] I didn't love my experience in England. Uhm, my favorite thing about England


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[Assistant] People are really good at driving in England. I did like that. Yeah, but then I'd say the favorite, my favorite part about going to England was just that


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[Assistant] You know, it helped me grow up. I learned a lot about life. Not really a lot about cars, but I learned a lot about life.


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[Assistant] So I learned a lot about life and the experience was what really proved to Bobby Rahal that, um, who is, who is the one that ended up giving me a job.


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[Assistant] Uhm, driving back in the States after I came back when I was 19 because I was in England. Like he was like, wow, you're really committed and you're willing to do what it takes. So.


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[Assistant] It was also part of his decision, so that was the best part that came from it.


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[Assistant] Least favorite part, I mean, if I'm, if I'm being honest, I really


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[Assistant] I thought that I had a lot of friends, and then when I left...


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[Assistant] I realized that after I called them all, like for six months, no one called me. I was like, hmm, maybe if I stop, let's see. And then I never spoke to anyone again.


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[Assistant] So I, I feel like it's really sad to think that I spent three years and got to know people really well and they just weren't really my friends.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that was kind of like a sad part. And then the other part that was probably not so good is uhm, It's a real toss up between the food and the weather.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'd have to say the weather probably got me the most.


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[Assistant] Like, I remember one day I was going out for a run and I got my shoes on and opened up the door.


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[Assistant] And it was sunny. That's why I was like, oh, it's time to go for a run. It's beautiful out.


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[Assistant] Open up the door, and I opened up the door, and I stood there, and it was sunny, and it just started raining on me.


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[Assistant] Probably God saying, get the heck outta here.


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[Assistant] Because I just stood there and I was like, wow, it just rains no matter what, doesn't it?


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[Assistant] Uhm, well my dad and I went to the track of like lots of weekends in the year just walking and talking to people trying to see if they'd give me a ride and a test in the car. Not a ride even, just a test. And so many people said no, or threw out some crazy number expense wise to do it. And uhm,


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[Assistant] And then I remember I was just actually telling this story to a girlfriend just the other day and I was saying how she was asking similar questions about my career and how I got where I, how I did what I did and.


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[Assistant] Uhm, getting to IndyCar and there was somebody who told me that I could have a full sponsorship if Bobby Rahal signed a letter of intent saying that he was gonna run me in the theater series called the Formula Atlantic series.


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[Assistant] Went, I was, it was a Milwaukee race for IndyCar. My dad was like, alright, let's go to the track. And I said, dad, I'm just sick of it. Like, I'm sick of going to the track.


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[Assistant] Walking around, having no one have any interest, and I'm like, I'm just over it. And uhm, The thing is, I usually do- I-


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[Assistant] I almost always do the right thing. I'm not gonna say always, cause I'm sure I don't always, but...


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[Assistant] I usually do the right thing, and so I was like, alright, let's go. And so he's like, alright, we'll just go for an hour. And so we went.


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[Assistant] I saw Bobby and I said, Hey Bobby, I got a phone call that said, if you have assigned a letter of intent that says that we're doing the Formula Atlantic series, that we could have a full sponsor. And he said, all right. And I went, Oh my God. And two weeks later at the next Indy car race.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we signed a letter of intent at a press conference at Laguna Seca and uhm,


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[Assistant] That's it. And then I signed a contract that was two years with a third year option. The third year option was to go to IndyCar.


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[Assistant] And uhm, it was in my second season. I had a good first season, second season was even better.


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[Assistant] I didn't win, but I think I finished third in the championship or something, ran up front a lot. And uhm, I was at,


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[Assistant] And, um, Bobby, it was there, it was the press conference, the media availability day. And Bob was up at the front and he just randomly while I was.


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[Assistant] Watching this with all the press too. He said that Danica will be racing Indy cars next year. And I was like, what?


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[Assistant] Like, oh my god, so that's, that's how the transition happened.


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[Assistant] I just was exactly sliding doors. You just never know what that one moment will be that changes everything. And that's the reality of for all of life is you are always one decision away from an entirely different life.


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[Assistant] More, for sure. Yeaah. Yeaah. I mean, I look back and even when I retired and I was doing the broadcast for the first time, I remember watching the cars come down the front straightaway to start the race and I was like, wow. They are crazy. I was crazy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, 240 miles an hour with just wheels nearly touching and having to thread the needle at that speed around a pretty flat track. Uhm, so I remember thinking that, but uhm, in the moment, in 2005, I was like, when I took the lead, people


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[Assistant] I was asked like how that felt and I said I felt like I was where I was supposed to be. The car was really fast all month.


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[Assistant] I almost qualified on the pole. I had a really big moment in turn one of my first lap because I promised myself I was not going to lift at any point during the qualifying run.


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[Assistant] And you have to do four laps and it was really cold that day. And so I went into turn one, never lifted and it went.


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[Assistant] And I stepped out real quick and I had a one quick lift, caught it and then finished my four laps flat. Uhm, and so I, I guess I did even better than keeping it flat. I caught it from crashing.


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[Assistant] Uh, but anyway, I qualified fourth and then I ended up finishing fourth, but I was leading and then I...


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[Assistant] And uhm, and so I just, it felt really comfortable.


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[Assistant] It felt really calm actually, so. But I've always had such reverence and respect for the process. I always, I really always, I really felt like I was so fortunate to be in a really good car.


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[Assistant] And have it be really fast. And I also understand stood the speed and magnitude of the track and just the fact that we were going so fast into.


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[Assistant] Never take for granted that the thing is underneath you and just to really be vigilant the whole time. So uhm, so yeaah. I have a different perspective now, but then it felt comfortable.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're so in it. Like it's hard to really be objective because you're so in it. You're in the experience. You're focusing on the job.


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[Assistant] But I think now with hindsight, I can really appreciate just the magnitude of it.


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[Assistant] Like if there was to be a girl right now to go out there and nearly win her first year, I'd be like, holy.


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[Assistant] Wow. Right? And that, that's what I did. And uhm,


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[Assistant] And, uh, you know, it's funny actually just as a quick little story. I was walking, uh, to the, uh, to pit lane yesterday.


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[Assistant] And I see this person like put his arms up, he's going to say hi to somebody. This person that he's...


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[Assistant] Gonna hug and say hi to is, uh, Jacques Villeneuve. And I was like, oh.


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[Assistant] And I just, I kinda had a, I was like, nah, keep going.


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[Assistant] Because, one, I tell the story because he was my, the only driver I really thought like, wow, that's amazing what he did because he,


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[Assistant] I think he finished second in his first year and he won his second year in IndyCar. He won in Formula One. I was like, that is...


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[Assistant] Amazing. That guy clearly is so good that he can just win in whatever he gets in. And so the fact that I almost won my first year was like...


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[Assistant] You know, reminiscent of just this driver that was so good that he just jumps into it and nearly wins the race his first year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but then fast forward to when I ran, uh, the Nationwide series, uh, the NASCAR feeder series.


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[Assistant] We were, he would do the road course races. And so it was road America in Wisconsin. And, uh, I was running fourth. It was coming down to the last lap and he was fifth and he just.


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[Assistant] Punt, punted me, sent me at this, you know, uh, downhill 90 degree turn four or five or whatever it was at the end of a long straightaway. And I, you know, go off in the dirt and come back on, well,


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[Assistant] Here I am in this scenario, my like only guy that I ever looked up to now punted me and all of the news after that was like, what a jerk, you want to go to school? Like you, you know, just totally supporting me. And I thought,


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[Assistant] I am so glad that happened because only in that scenario could I look good next to the only person that I looked up to. Like I look like the good, the better I was ahead of him.


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[Assistant] All of these things and I'm like, I'm kinda gratefully did it because it gave me this sort of like, really like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Drive home that, you know, my skill or talent or what I accomplished.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then of course the next time that we raced against each other in the Nationwide series was Montreal.


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[Assistant] And, um, inevitably whenever you have an incident with somebody on track, you always qualify next to them. So him and I were third and fourth, second row and, um,


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[Assistant] And we had to ride around on the truck around the track together on a very quiet ride. So anyway, uhm, that's a long story, but, uh, you know,


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[Assistant] I felt very comfortable leading the race and uhm, you know, also very grateful that I had a good car to be able to do that.


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[Assistant] I mean that first Indy 500 was by far and above really the most


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[Assistant] Formative experience, yeaah. I mean, I was like, the win in Japan, I was good there the first year, I qualified like a fraction off the pole my first time there, the year before, or a few years before.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which led into the Indy 500 in my first year that I did really well. And uhm,


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[Assistant] And so it was just one weekend, but my first Indy 500, that was my like fourth race as an Indy car driver. I was super fast in rookie orientation.


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[Assistant] I was fastest on Fast Friday. I nearly qualified on the poll for the race. I nearly won the race. Many of the days that we practiced, there would be like, uh, the fastest practice, whoever was top of the charts at the end of the day.


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[Assistant] We'll go to a press conference. I had that many days. So I had my like $10,000 checks from a bunch of those days. So like, I won a lot that month.


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[Assistant] People said, especially agents that, you know, I'm like, where are the sponsors and the endorsements? And like, when you win, then they'll all come. It didn't even change that. Like, so my life didn't really change that much after I won, but after that first 500, my entire life changed.


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[Assistant] And then qualifying on the pole for the Daytona 500, not because it was hard. It was not hard. It was all the crew. They just prepared the car and you just hold it wide open.


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[Assistant] Uhm, again, dismissing what it takes, but anyone who drives NASCAR will agree with me. It's very easy to qualify. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Uh, but starting next to, again, the one driver I looked up to the most in NASCAR, Jeff Gordon.


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[Assistant] So having that experience to be able to qualify in the poll next to him and have those photos is also cool.


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[Assistant] Fernando Alonso's gonna be 42. Like, I think I saw some picture on Instagram. It was like,


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[Assistant] A sperm and Fernando Alonso when he was like, whatever, whatever Oscar, I think it was Oscar. And then it was like him at this age with Fernando now. And it showed like the Delta of like when he was born, this is what Fernando is doing, which is probably F1.


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[Assistant] I mean, you have to really trust yourself, uhm, and trust your instincts because


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[Assistant] Trying to step over that usually ends badly, so uhm, I think that's why I...


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[Assistant] Especially at Indy, I mean I end up crashing in my last Indy 500.


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[Assistant] But until that point, I, I didn't ever crash at Indie and I really didn't crash by myself very much. Uhm, in fact, I think I had the longest streak when I, maybe when I retired or finished.


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[Assistant] Uh, finishes in IndyCar was like 50 or something in a row without it, without being out of the race. And so that's many seasons because, um,


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[Assistant] There's only, you know, there's less than 20 races in an IndyCar season. I think one year was maybe 14. Uhm, so uhm, but.


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[Assistant] Op- like ovals take a lot of respect, so, you know, I think that-


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[Assistant] Americans, this was our, this was our assessment as Americans and like in an American series like the IndyCar series.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that Europeans were a little less respectful about the Oval situation. And maybe just because they were less familiar. They thought they could kinda...


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[Assistant] Do certain things to the car out there, but the gravity of the crash is so much worse. So uhm, it really took a lot of respect out there to


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, not swerve, cut off, and then also just, uhm, you know, leave the little room for error, cause there's nowhere to go.


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[Assistant] Like if you, if there's a mistake, someone in front of you and you are right there, there's nowhere to go. Uhm, so...


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[Assistant] Uh, so they, they just take a lot of respect, but they're fun. They're like threading the needle, man. It's, you know, and then you got to be brave to sort of search out where the grip is. Um, that was definitely more of a NASCAR thing.


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[Assistant] The line would be sometimes at the very bottom and at the very top.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but in IndyCar, it tend to be much lower in the, on the ovals, but we'd sometimes get three wide racing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, there's a bunch of guys that would like that opportunity. So uhm, I think that uhm.


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[Assistant] I think the fact that it's a much more of a road course racing series now, when I first started an Indy car, it was, there was only three road courses on the entire schedule and now it's based, it's mo, it's majority. So uhm, so I think that that is what makes the transition much, much more straightforward.


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[Assistant] And then seats, right? You need a seat. And there aren't a lot of seats in Formula 1.


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[Assistant] Not a lot of seats. There's a bunch of guys that aren't going anywhere. So I mean, it's about catching that wave, right? The wave of the drivers transitioning out of the sport and opening up seats for, for new drivers. And so sometimes that happens in bigger waves than others. Um, uh,


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[Assistant] But, you know, if it's, if you're not in one of those waves and you're ready, what are you gonna do?


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[Assistant] Uhm, well you're assuming I want that. You're assuming that that is important to me, and it's not. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, it's always like an interesting stance I have on it. Uhm, I think that what makes a sport really popular is great racing. Like you can have half the field out there women and have it be follow the leader and it's not gonna be interesting to watch.


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[Assistant] Good racing, and that's what we have so much of these days in Formula One. I mean, pretty much everything other than Max is a...


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[Assistant] Uhm, and uh, and so that's what makes it really appealing. And so,


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[Assistant] Obviously it was a girl, like, you just gotta come up like normal. And I, and I do have a little bit of, uh, not a criticism, but an opinion about female series.


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[Assistant] Is that it's fine. It can give opportunity for some who might not get a chance, uh, otherwise, um, to show what they can do. But at the end of the day, you're going to have to race against guys. And so it's like, you know, I don't know, do you watch golf?


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[Assistant] So when you watch golf, you watch that like a lot of times,


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[Assistant] He'll, like, a golfer that's maybe not ranked as high will rise to the occasion with the one he's golfing with, whoever he's golfing with.


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[Assistant] In all sports, that's why you see some of the best wanting to run around like practice and be with the best is because then they get better.


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[Assistant] Like if you bench yourself off of something that's not the best, then...


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[Assistant] It's going to affect your effort level, your, your mental goal, like what you envision yourself doing. And so you really have to put yourself in the toughest situations and you might as well do it early because it's only going to get harder.


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[Assistant] To be able to see if a driver of a female is fast enough is uhm, uh, you know, a great way to know if there should be a next step forward. But as far as anything beyond that, I think they should be racing with the guys. I think it's racing in the same series. And they just gotta get people around them that believe in them.


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[Assistant] I think the more times that you put yourself in a position to show what you can do, uh, the better off you are. Uhm, and it's better to be in the car than not.


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[Assistant] I think that, I think that just more, more cars, more track time and more opportunities to show what you can do is just always a good thing.


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[Assistant] I don't know, you know, we were talking about Jamie Chadwick last night and, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, she's doing some racing over in the States. I think she's linked up with Andretti. Uhm, and, uh.


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[Assistant] You know, that obviously she seems like she's a pretty good candidate to have an opportunity, but uhm, but otherwise I don't really know. I don't follow it super closely. Uhm, there's Haley Deegan who does NASCAR off-road kind of stuff that is pretty young. I mean, she's been driving for a really long time, but she's uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, I think about how long she's been around, and then I'm like, wow, she's only, I'm not sure exactly, maybe 21 or something like that? 20, 21?


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[Assistant] Um, so I'm like, wow, she's pretty young. So, um, yeah, there's, and then there's probably, I'm sure there's others that I'm totally not mentioning that I, that I don't see. I, I don't really watch a lot of racing when I'm not.


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[Assistant] When I'm not out there, when I'm not- I watch more because I'm-


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[Assistant] Part of the broadcast and I need to be informed and know what's going on, but


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[Assistant] You're not gonna find me like on my vacation weekends, just.


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[Assistant] Catching up on all levels of motorsports, so I'm, I'm not, it's, uh,


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[Assistant] It's not a suit, it's not an interest of mine outside the car.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I do love sharing my experiences and relating it to the fans watching, uhm, and working with really fun people at Sky.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's pretty tough for me to not think about Fernando Alonso. I mean, just his ability to...


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[Assistant] And uhm, and just doing that over and over again.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's like a second coming. I think it's just so impressive.


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[Assistant] So I, I think that uh, he's someone I consider to be, I mean, you can't exclude Max, I think.


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[Assistant] When we're talking about all the, all, all, when you apply all the styles, I mean, that would be a pretty great, pretty great duo right there.


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[Assistant] Between Max and Alonzo because they're both so, they're both pretty aggressive too. So uhm, that would be fun to watch. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'd be really curious to see where Lewis fell on that too because, you know, I feel like he's just, he doesn't, uhm, obviously he's had so much success with all of his championships, uhm, but,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I think that he might be really, really close right there. And especially when you take into a race consideration the length of it, he's just so consistent. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes. And so.


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[Assistant] He'd be snatching the lead when those two are going at it.


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[Assistant] They tried to do that back in the day with the IROC series and back in the states and uhm,


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[Assistant] The bottom line is, and anybody in motor sports will really know,


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[Assistant] There's no two things that are, no two cars, no two engines are the same. It's just gonna be small differences.


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[Assistant] Especially in the engines, like the torque curves and this is why you have like,


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[Assistant] You know, I'm going to my old go karting days, but you'd get like the, you'd get the dyno to give it the, you'd see the power torque and, and these are essentially the same engine, but they all produce a different result just based on.


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[Assistant] You know, the harmonics, how perfect the, the bore size. There's just so many different things that.


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[Assistant] Contribute to just making these little bit of differences and so.


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[Assistant] You're just never gonna get two identical cars. It's just, it's just like impossible.


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[Assistant] I always loved racing at Richmond and Martinsville. Those were two really fun short tracks.


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[Assistant] Like cars that go off, like where the car is not the same the whole run, it just, it fades and you have to manage it.


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[Assistant] If you manage it better, have a better long run car, you can get by so many. Like I just-


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[Assistant] I love that. I also love traditional passing tracks when they come, when it comes to ovals, the ones that aren't like four wide side by side.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I liked more those traditional passing where it's hard to run too wide.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's a bit more of a setup of the past then instead of just momentum and running a different line.


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[Assistant] I enjoyed, I really loved the rhythm of Mid-Ohio, if you could get that right, and in IndyCar that was fun. Uhm, uh, I loved, I really liked Brands Hatch.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean I raised the full circuit, the full GP circuit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I thought Brandtacho was a pretty cool track actually.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I hated Thruxton. Even though I know nobody races there, it's like junior level, I'm sure. Uhm, but I enjoy Brandtach. Uhm...


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[Assistant] The fans, the size, the atmosphere, the energy, the speed, the success I had.


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[Assistant] So going there in a formula one car and going up the hill and like.


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[Assistant] Dude, I found it hard to be flat in a Formula 4, like, I can't imagine what it's like in an F1 car, but uhm, or what the feeling is, it might be easy to be flat out going up the hill just from the downforce, but


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[Assistant] Uhm, but just that track is somewhere that I had experienced at such a low level of motorsport that


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[Assistant] That's pretty crazy to experience it, and uh, what is it like, Blanc-Chameaux or something? Like, really, really fast king? Uhm, yeaah, maybe, maybe there? Uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Yeaah, that would be a more fun track than Silverstone, let's say.


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[Assistant] And like many things were going on before, like the wine, I bought the property in Napa Valley in 2009, so I didn't retire until 2018, so.


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[Assistant] Some of these projects have been going on since before, but, um, yeah, the podcast keeps me really busy.


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[Assistant] Do it as really a selfish indulgence into people that I'm fascinated with and topics that I want to learn about.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I promise that if I talk to anyone longer than 45 minutes, that I, or half an hour, that I would mention aliens, cause I said, oh, if anyone talks to me long enough, I will surely mention aliens.


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[Assistant] So, uh, we talked about all that kind of stuff in the show and psychology and all kinds of things.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that, the wine, uhm, the name is Somnium, uhm, which means dream in Latin because I really just had a dream one day to have a winery when I was standing drinking a glass of wine.


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[Assistant] Acceptably, of course at 10 a.m. And I was like, hmm, I want to have something like this someday. And uhm, made that happen and so uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah. And then I vacation a whole bunch. So like for instance, right now I'm coming off of literally being on vacation for the last four or five weeks.


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[Assistant] Since the Montreal F1 race and being here in Budapest, I've literally been on vacation the whole time through Greece and Italy and Monaco and...


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[Assistant] My orca and it's, uh, it's been a really, really fun. So I enjoy doing that because it's stuff that I never had a chance to do when I was driving. I just, if I had a week.


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[Assistant] One week a year, it was great, you know, and uhm, so having the opportunity to do those sort of things now, uh, is really, uhm, a really cool thing.


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[Assistant] It's always a big challenge for the drivers and the race was so, so exciting. I mean, it was amazing fun to watch. Uhm, so all in all, Ferrari on pole, that was perfect. Giving Max Verstappen a challenge. Uhm, I think it was a great weekend.


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[Assistant] At first I was like, okay, no, this doesn't work, but now you explained it well and I think it was a nice word as well.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know, I mean of course in the context of the season, uhm, they would probably have taken a fight with Red Bull in the third place and the fourth place at Monza. Uhm, but then once you get into the weekend and you're seeing their speed and they get polled, probably


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[Assistant] They would have wanted a little bit more, um, than, than to be beaten by both Red Bulls, you know, coming through and all of them overtaking them. Um, so, but, but in general, yes, I think they should be quite pleased with the weekend that they had.


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[Assistant] Right decision, uhm, I mean, that's a difficult question. For us fans, obviously yes. For us fans, obviously yes. Probably for the Ferrari team.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but anyways, yeaah, for us it was great, but it was so close to crashing, especially the last one with the big lockup from Charles. Wow.


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[Assistant] That is so close to crashing. So I was telling, I was telling Fred Rasseur after the race that I really highly recommend that he, he like asks both, both drivers to sit down with him because he's, he has the most authority, you know, that it's not the team manager or something, but that it's really the, the boss. Uhm, and really goes perhaps even first with one, then with the other and then combined.


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[Assistant] Because then you really get the open story from one to the other.


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[Assistant] Because it's so important to be proactive, because otherwise if, if one driver or the other, in this case it would mostly be Charles, has a bad feeling here, it can quickly spiral, that he will think that at next race, hey, I'm not gonna yield next time, or I'm gonna do the same next time, I'm gonna get payback.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so he definitely has to practically manage that, you know, and try and be supportive and neutral. And so he said he was going to do that today. It would be nice to be in that room, but not possible.


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[Assistant] The word, imagine, imagine crashing out your Ferrari teammate at Monza, removing the pot, that would have been like, woah, and it was so close.


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[Assistant] Oh my goodness, uhm, so it's, it's proper, it's proper nerve-wracking, uhm, in the car as well, yeaah. But at the same time, you're a racer and you don't want your teammate to end up the race in front of you, uh, at Monza when you're quicker, you know, so, uh, uhm, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, I also, I remember myself in Bahrain, I then said on the, I said after the race, wow, that was the most fun I've ever had in a racing car. But actually, the truth, that was the most far from the truth possible because the truth was I was, I was seriously angry and seriously, uh, uhm,


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[Assistant] Hurt from finishing second to Lewis, and it was zero fun.


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[Assistant] So, uh, because we always have, we have to, as race drivers, have to be a bit of Hollywood, you know, to, uh, you can't always say the truth obviously.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because it's gonna backfire otherwise. And so that's why I was watching Charles as he was just, he just got beaten by his teammate who also ran him off the track once in the chicane where Carlos locked up and Charles had to do avoiding action and had to go straight as well. Uhm, and then Charles is sitting there and saying


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was super fun. Happy days. Having a beer with Carlos.