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[Assistant] He might be a little delusional. He'll lose some of his deductive reasoning, but he'll be very, he'll feel great. He'll be in a good mood. He won't be somber and solemn knowing that the end is near. My dad was actually making jokes about, you know,


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[Assistant] It's time to go, and it was very, just a wild, wild transformation once we doubled his medication.


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[Assistant] When the game was over, it was time to go to bed. I was out in Phoenix with them for four or five weeks before he passed. My dad said, and, and this, he thought this was true when he died. And again, because the morphine had kind of altered his reality.


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[Assistant] Even though he was in the moment in the games, you know, knowing every play and knowing everything that was going on, big picture, he was a little delusional. And with all the seriousness in the world when the game was over, he said, wow, Jay.


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[Assistant] All of the sporting events we've experienced together as father and son, everything that we've been through, never getting to see a championship, how fitting that as I'm ready to leave the stage, the Browns win the Super Bowl. And I said, yeah, isn't that something? And he goes, now wait a minute.


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[Assistant] And the Giants won the Super Bowl last year, right? And I said they did. And he goes,


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[Assistant] Well then that's it. That means that we won the Super Bowl. All these years we've been waiting for this. And as I'm getting ready to leave, they gave us the Super Bowl. And my dad died thinking the Browns won the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] So I know there have been more meaningful wins as, you know, since they've been back in 99, wins that made you feel better. But for me, that October night,


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[Assistant] Two or three days before my dad passed was it for me because my love of sports came from him. And we thought we were going to break the championship drought and finally get to see one together in 07.


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[Assistant] When the Indians made it to the ALCS and they had a three games to one lead on the Red Sox and three games to two lead, I flew out to Arizona and they lost game six and they lost game seven and they didn't go to the World Series.


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[Assistant] I don't know because I actually had to watch that game on delay with my dad.


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[Assistant] When I flew, I said, turn it off my phone.


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[Assistant] I had the car scheduled to pick me up at the airport and take me to my dad's house, my mom and dad's house in Phoenix and my dad had said,


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna watch it. I'm not answering the house phone. No one's answering the cell phone. We'll watch it together. I like that. I'm getting up to get off the plane and a guy recognizes me from Cold Pizza and says, Jay, I'm sorry about your Indians. And I, I almost had a heart attack. I'm like, what, what? Oh, you didn't hear that they lost?


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[Assistant] I had to go to Phoenix, go to my dad's house and sit there and watch a game with my dad that I already knew they got pounded.


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[Assistant] It was fascinating for me, and again, he was fighting cancer the whole last several years of his life. He knew that that would probably be our last chance to do it.


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[Assistant] They fall down big early, Red Sox keep piling on runs, and here's my dad, body all riddled with cancer, saying, hey,


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[Assistant] So for my dad to think right before he died that we won the Super Bowl because we beat the undefeated defending Super Bowl champs, I don't know that there will be a more meaningful Browns game for me ever.


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[Assistant] He's just hoping. It's just crazy how you'd have a rapport with a guy like that, and then you've got OBJ, and there was just nothing there.


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[Assistant] Well, this is a sucker question. Uhm, you want us to say DeJuan Jones? Because we all thought Njoku played pretty well.


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[Assistant] See, that's what I'm saying. They're trying to tell us that our eyes are lying to us.


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[Assistant] Wrong. I saw this man break two ankles on Sunday. Yea, wide open. Two ankles!


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[Assistant] I'm telling you with PFF he might be a hundred!


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[Assistant] My eyes tell me... PJ Walker ain't the lowest. Elijah Moore is the lowest.


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[Assistant] Because DPJ had one target and zero catches, so he clearly wasn't getting separation.


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[Assistant] I mean that was easy just because Walker was not great.


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[Assistant] He threw the two picks, he didn't throw a touchdown. The winning drive he gets no points for because they had two major touchdown penalties. And DPJ had the block.


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[Assistant] 2012 maybe? 13? They had a, so the morphine ball is, it's a plastic ball that's filled with morphine and it's got an IV that comes out of it and it goes into your hand, right here.


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[Assistant] And who puts the IV in? The doctor does before they send you home. Okay. So after surgery, you know, I want to get home as soon as possible. I want to be in the comfort of my house. So the last thing my surgeon says to me is Jay, I know you're a fidget. Don't pull that out.


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[Assistant] Cuz this is the only thing that's keeping you from feeling extreme pain right now.


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[Assistant] And this will last 24 hours. It's a slow drip IV. Whatever you do, don't pull it out. I get out of the car.


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[Assistant] My wife's helping me. My son's helping me. I'm all crouched up. I get into my spot. I'm sitting down in my chair. Within five minutes, I pull out the IV.


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[Assistant] Because at first you don't feel anything. You don't even know you have a leg. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh man, there's something deep in the recesses of my knee that feels like it just exploded.


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[Assistant] You would almost expect that just because he's going against the best left tackle in the game and a Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] But I went reverse logic on the JOK thing. I mean, I said JOK played the best, but no one, PFF, they're going to say he played the worst. And here's just a little comparison.


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[Assistant] I mean the interception sealed the game on the next play. But that play he made on the third down. That was crazy. It was like he got shot out of a cannon.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he, he gassed his answer. He was like, oh, I, I imagine he's quite a bit in, in negotiations. Man, no one's bringing that up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that'll never happen though. Teams aren't letting that go. Why would you do that? Yeah, they're not letting that go.


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[Assistant] Like they're not gonna do that. And that's okay. Look, I mean, it is what it is. It's a fun thing to talk about. Sometimes they get it right.


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[Assistant] And sometimes, just based off the eye test, they are egregiously wrong. And this Samari Cooper example to me...


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[Assistant] I'm surprised by that one as well. He tackles a man out of 54. He was everywhere.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, one of the things that I loved to see on Sunday and it really, I think,


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[Assistant] Brings together his role on this team as a leader.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson was, and again, when you're watching it on TV, there's only certain things you can see. It's only when the cameras are on him. Uhm, but I asked a couple people that were at the game that are observing all of the stuff that goes on on the sidelines, and they kind of backed up what the TV cameras told us. That Deshaun Watson was hyped. He was


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[Assistant] Engaged. He was helping with PJ, talking in between possessions, pointing things out. Uhm, I think that bodes so well for this team. We need him to be a leader.


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[Assistant] And I, I just, what do you know about his involvement in PJ's preparation both in the week leading up to it and during the game? What was going on between the two of them?


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[Assistant] Maybe he should switch it. Remember Albert Bell, once upon a time was Joey Bell.


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[Assistant] Hey, uh, let- Mary Kay, let's turn into real important stuff here. And that's the Colts. Uhm...


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[Assistant] You know, Gardner Minshew isn't exactly your average run-of-the-mill backup. He's had some significant time as a starter.


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[Assistant] What are they in for Sunday? And this is a team that went to Baltimore with Gardner Minshew in there and won. They beat the Ravens in Baltimore. So I think this could be a trap game. You don't want to overlook them. What are the Browns in for on Sunday?


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[Assistant] Man, my day just got a whole lot better. She's been covering this squad for a long time and her eyes don't lie and you heard it. She said this is the best.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, you made our day. Thank you very much. We'll see you next week. Tell Derek we said hello. She's right. She'd get run right out of the meeting room. Peter would look at her like, wait, what did you just say?


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[Assistant] So why do you want to be calling Derek? There must be a story behind it. Alright, I can't wait for this. This is going to be my favorite part of the show. Do we have to do a read first or we just jumping into the trades? No, I got to read real quick guys.


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[Assistant] That's, I think, the moving forward, the clothing of the next decade.


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[Assistant] Lululemon is what you just said. You can do anything in them. They have jeans now that are so flexed. You can do yoga in them. Lululemon. Lululemon. All of that kind of stuff. You can wear it. Now, I'm kind of curious if you can take me through this. How did one of the compliments about your pants go?


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[Assistant] So we can decide whether or not it was appropriate or not. Did someone come up to you and say, Nuggets, love you on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Them some damn nice draws.


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[Assistant] In garbage time, probably. Well, this team's one in five, so probably a lot of those were in garbage time.


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[Assistant] Russ has been pretty good throwing the ball this year. In garbage time. In garbage time is facts, but he's got what 11 touchdowns and two picks or something like that.


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[Assistant] That's even worse. That's a no for me. Uh, I mean, I think you're going in the right direction. Like we've got to improve the wide receiver room. Every time I hear that, a little bit of throw up creeps into my mouth.


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[Assistant] Now, to Mary Kay's point, we've only really seen him three games with the A-Team quarterback.


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[Assistant] Let's hope that the quarterback wide receiver chemistry that does take time to develop. Let's hope that it was just coming into focus for when we had uh, Tennessee Watson.


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[Assistant] And moving forward, let's, but I'm gonna start judging him more and more harshly with each game. Like, like Jason said about Deshaun.


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[Assistant] With Eat before the Tennessee game. Each time I go, I go out and watch him play poorly.


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[Assistant] In my mind, it's less likely that we're ever gonna see Houston Watson.


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[Assistant] No, those are always going to be part of the record. And, and you said it earlier and I, and Mary Kay touched on it. She thinks they should move on from, uh, uh, trying to use him in the run game. I agree with that. Just give all of his run plays.


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[Assistant] If they take that trade, I'd take it. Here's the key, and this is why you said earlier, McNugget says some things that on face value, they're nuts, and then you think about them.


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[Assistant] The fact that it wouldn't hurt their salary cap situation for next year. They're in good position this year.


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[Assistant] What they can't do is take on money that's gonna hurt them after this year. So,


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[Assistant] The more I think about that, they ain't gonna take em. They ain't givin' em.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing. They have no picks. They need picks. Don't you think though, Mike, that there's going to be another team?


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[Assistant] That has draft assets that we don't, that would say, oh we can beat that, we'll give you a second form.


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[Assistant] Could you imagine those Giants fans? Like, I know you're trying to tank.


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[Assistant] But he's your only valuable player. Ever.


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[Assistant] You can punt on that when you guarantee that bread for five years, you got handcuffs. Listen, he don't carry up 80.


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[Assistant] Taking Caleb Williams after what he looked like against Notre Dame? Yep. Cause that boy look like he was seeing ghosts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's not, you keep saying 4, 5, 6, 7 games. No. I got 12 left. He won't play this week, so that's 11. Plus, the most important games of the year are the ones in January. So,


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[Assistant] And what, what is the number? What is the target number for where he's gonna be? That's the 64 million dollars.


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[Assistant] I don't hate that, but I'll tell you why I'm not gonna do it.


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[Assistant] I trust Mary Kay Kavett. And she said that, just reading between the lines of what Mary Kay said, he's supposed to play Sunday.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, uh, if he, if, if something happens and he's out for the year, I have to look and see where we are. You know, if by, by.


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[Assistant] No listen, if you lose to Indianapolis, you lose to Seattle.


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[Assistant] I think he's, to me, average would be if he's 16 or 17. And I do think he's closer to the top 10. He's not in the top 10.


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[Assistant] I'd do that. I like the way you're targeting teams that are just done.


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[Assistant] The way the Giants and the Vikings, Cardinals knew what they were going to be, but the Giants and the Vikings have been slapped in the face with the first six game reality. And, you know, last year the Vikings were 11-0 in one score games. This year, I think they're 1-4.


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[Assistant] In those same games. You can't, you live by that sword, you're gonna die by it the bigger the sample size gets. So I think Minnesota would be willing to move on, the Giants are willing to move on. Minnesota.


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[Assistant] That's it. That's the only one. Well, Kelly Winslow was okay.


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[Assistant] I mean, Webster Slaughter had some time. He did. He was a first round pick, I think, out of San Diego State. Had a nice career. He did. Ryan Brennan was a very serviceable, he was out of Boston College. Was the possession slot third down guy that every team needs.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure I saw him on someone's sideline, maybe the Vikings on Sunday. Keenan McCardell. Is he, is he with the Vikings as a coach? I can look that up.


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[Assistant] Kevin Johnson had some moments. Who caught the Hail Mary from Tim Couch? Was it, was it Johnson?


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[Assistant] It was one of them fools. Look it up. Tim Couch threw that, that thing was one of the, that thing was thrown.


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[Assistant] I think so too. That was Jason's favorite as well. I think the second best one for me is Kirk Cousins.


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[Assistant] Well the fact that the chat doesn't like your trades makes me like them even more.


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[Assistant] Because again, they famously have Jimmy Haslam as the best owner in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] He was playing, not an NBA team yesterday.


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[Assistant] He was playing against a team from Israel. Not like an all-star team, it's just a team. And you have to look at the level of competition.


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[Assistant] I'm a contributor. I mean, you know what I mean. Like every day?


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[Assistant] A guy that they rely on on a regular basis.


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[Assistant] Not, oh it's garbage time, we're up or down 20.


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[Assistant] That's a secession plan. That's not this year. That's getting into the system. Listen, I believe that he will be a regular contributor for the Cleveland Cavaliers.


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[Assistant] That's why I asked could you use him in those situations where for offensive possession only you throw him out there as a shooter because he can't snipe. He needs rep stuff.


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[Assistant] I know, you're right. So, what happens is, whenever there's a blowout, either way, like a 20 point, throw him out there and let's see what we have.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Indiana and Seattle are back to back roads. Then we do get Arizona and Seattle.


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[Assistant] It will be, yeaah. It will be. I mean, they don't play at 10 in the morning out there.


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[Assistant] And see, I think that is, that's the knock on it. You gotta be, at the NBA level, man, you, if, unless your skill, your one skill, is all-star good,


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[Assistant] Whatever you do, don't bring that up on air. It will never get a show on the air.


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[Assistant] Let's get it going. Busy, busy, busy day. We still don't know what's going to happen Sunday. We're going to talk about some of the injuries that we know the Browns have and what they do moving forward from there. We've got the beat writer from the 49ers, Brian Peacock.


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[Assistant] Joining us at about 11.35, he's gonna tell us what he knows about this team that most folks right now have as the top team in the NFL. I said most, not all.


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[Assistant] What part of their offense scares you most because they are a dual threat. They can play a smash mouth run game or they can really mix it up with the passing game. We're going to dive into that. No fence riders today. Always fun.


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[Assistant] And Adini will join us in the, uh, in the last hour.


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[Assistant] In the meantime, our first hello of the day to Mikey McNuggets. Sorry, Mike.


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[Assistant] Uh, before we dive into our topics today, we all saw something yesterday on Instagram. You probably saw it too, if you're on that platform and you follow most of the Browns players. David Njoku, who we knew had suffered facial burns, burns on his arms, uh, from a reported fire pit accident, posted his first picture of what is actually going on there.


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[Assistant] Wow, and now you can understand. By the way, he played probably his best game of the year, to be sure.


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[Assistant] I mean, in all seriousness, we kid about that, but in all seriousness, David.


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[Assistant] Looking the way you looked and probably feeling the way you did just two days after the accident happened. Uhm, kudos to you brother. Uh, keep being, uh, being the warrior that you are and we hope you have a great recovery. Mike.


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[Assistant] And I imagine once he put it on, he never took it off. I'm gonna guess that is accurate. Probably not.


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[Assistant] What do you want? It just goes to show, Bull, that sometimes, uhm, the, the minority is vocal, and they drowned out everybody. We tend to, when we look at social media, we see five tweets that called Deshaun Watson soft. All of a sudden,


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[Assistant] EVERYBODY'S KILLIN' EM! No, not everybody, just a couple of morons with a Twitter handle. That's it. That's all.


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[Assistant] Of EVERYBODY, I was most disappointed with him. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so you're saying that, you know, I think he made an analogy. You'd have to cut off my leg or something. I don't know what he said, but you know, nothing's going to keep me off the field.


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[Assistant] That's all well and good. You can say that all you want, but I'm sure Hanford Dixon misplays because of injury. I mean, I don't have his career logs in front of me, but in all likelihood, I'm guessing he missed a game or two. Well, why didn't he play?


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[Assistant] And so I'm sure he didn't want anyone questioning his toughness when an injury forced him to sit out. And I'm sure Deshaun doesn't want that or need that anyway. And Skip Ailes always used to say, I wish there was a machine that we could hook up to a player and we could feel their level of pain. They die. You die.


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[Assistant] The funny for me is I remember the stories of guys that like Jack Youngblood famously played in a Super Bowl with a broken leg. A real broken leg. And he played. T.O.


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[Assistant] With a devastating ankle injury. Right. Came back.


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[Assistant] So what I remember are those stories. I also remember, uh, uh, the Chargers quarterback that played with a torn ACL. Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers. Yep. I remember, and boy, he took a lot of grief.


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[Assistant] I remember the gutted out stories. We tend to forget about the stories where, well, you know, he had an injury, he could have played, but he didn't.


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[Assistant] And I'm not saying there was tension between Baker and Stefanski, but there was clearly tension between Baker and SOME of his teammates.


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[Assistant] For him not to speak. One, he's saying, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not doing it.


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[Assistant] Because the reporters have twisted my words, or the other is the organization is telling him, don't speak. And either way it's bad because his message now is in a can and we don't know what it is.


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[Assistant] And I thought of something yesterday that I haven't discussed on the show yet, but when I was having this conversation with a big fan yesterday, this popped into my head and I made the point. And I'll make it with you guys and see what you think.


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[Assistant] Deshawn's comments after the Steelers game that there was a communication problem.


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[Assistant] If to show Deshaun how damaging it can be to let what's inside the locker room out into the public, which is what Deshaun did, and it caused, now Stefanski's answering questions about the communication with his quarterback. He doesn't want to spend time doing that.


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[Assistant] I'm wondering if Stefanski, cause we've said over and over again, every word that has ever fallen out of his mouth has been pre-thought and it's measured.


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[Assistant] And there's always intent. He doesn't make mistakes. We followed him for, you know, now into his fourth season. He just doesn't do that. So I think the biggest surprise for all of us was, wow, he just said that.


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[Assistant] And then we start thinking, okay, why? Well, that did come after Deshawn's comment about there's communication issues between quarterback and coach. Want to see how damaging that can be?


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[Assistant] Have made comments about this quarterback that has led the fan base and media to believe he could have played


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[Assistant] Without having the game being played. I mean, the optics are it's not good. Right. But I've had players tell me before about what were perceived scandals outside a locker room.


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[Assistant] We're not even close to that inside the locker room. So fair. Here's my hope. You had said something earlier about close the ranks and come together. Here's my hope.


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[Assistant] And bubble wrap themselves from us. Well, we need a clear message today, Jay. We do, but Bull, here's how you send a clear message. Go beat the hell out of San Francisco.


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[Assistant] Is it possible for us to, and we're assuming that there's a communication issue and a messaging issue.


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[Assistant] How, who's to blame for that? And I know in reality it's probably a little bit of everybody.


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[Assistant] Should, did Sean Watson ever tell the media that there's a communication problem with his head code?


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[Assistant] The one that stands out to me was whether or not we're going to go for it on fourth down.


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[Assistant] That was a specific example that he used, but he also used, I think, game plans or he made, he gave several examples, which was why I'm like, wow, it's not like this is one communication problem. We got muddy channels on a couple of different things.


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[Assistant] You go to the quarterback, or you go to the head coach, if you're the quarterback, and you say, coach,


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[Assistant] I'm not really sure what our philosophy is on going forward on fourth down. And I'm not sure, but I would love to know if we got the ball on the 44 yard line. Cause that's kinda, that's the yellow zone for sure.


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[Assistant] Is that always a red light or a green light to go for it four times? Because I'd like to know that on First Down.


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[Assistant] And I'd like to know that on second down. And I'd also really like to know that on third down.


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[Assistant] No, but you can have conversations and say, well, here's what our analytics department gave. Here's the book that we go by, 41 yard line and in, we're going for it on fourth and under three, whatever it is. They have a formula. I don't know what it is, but he should know what that is. So he in his mind can say on third down,


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[Assistant] If that means we're not going to go for it on fourth down, I may look for a different receiver. I may decide to run. It's just additional information that hard to believe.


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[Assistant] I do too, but, but Mike, I don't think I'm misremembering this.


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[Assistant] There was way more to it. Might have been a second question. That's where he specifically talked about the fourth down. And, and I remember that sound bite.


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[Assistant] When I hear that, I don't think it's on the subordinate. I think it's on the boss. Bosses have to communicate to the employers.


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[Assistant] It's not like he told the general manager to draft this player because I need him. I agree with you, there is more of a connection coach and player when that's the case.


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[Assistant] Go get me Watson. And at one point when I asked about it, Stefanski was asked specifically about had you decided that you couldn't win with Baker. Now whether this was truthful or not, he said, we thought we could win moving forward, but we had an opportunity to better our team, so we did it. And I don't know who the catalyst.


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[Assistant] No, but in some cases, the coach is in on that decision making process, particularly if he's an offensive or specifically quarterback guy.


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[Assistant] I hope not, no listen, I hope not, but what, what hit me yesterday was this wasn't the first communication problem.


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[Assistant] That we knew about. That was aired by one of the two in the public.


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[Assistant] It was Deshawn who first said, yeah, communication isn't good or whatever, isn't right.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, there's 0% chance in my mind that Stefanski said, oh, you wanna play?


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[Assistant] 0% chance of that. However, sometimes we in dealings with people where there have been previous beefs subconsciously say or do or treat that person


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[Assistant] And I have, like you, I have not completely lost faith in Kevin Stefanski. Here's what I can't figure out about Kevin Stefanski.


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[Assistant] How can he be so good against the Bengals? And how can he be so just mediocre, below average against everyone else? I don't, I don't know that.


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[Assistant] So I, because of what he's done against the Bengals.


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[Assistant] If you look at the statistics over his, he's got 11 games. He just gave you the answer. The guy that covers, we don't want to argue about it anymore. The guy that covers the Niners just said you're crazy. No, the guy that covers the Niners said whoever had him ranked highest is right. But no, I have him ranked highest.


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[Assistant] I, I really have a high regard for Chris Collinsworth. I think Chris does an unbelievable job. And I'm not just talking about his skill set in the, in the booth. I think he's


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[Assistant] The best at what he does. But I also really really trust


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[Assistant] His assessment of quarterback play. I think that's, you know, even though he was a wide receiver, I think he does a great job of breaking down the quarterbacks. And the one thing that he kept saying over and over and over again was the processor and how quickly he's going through information. As much as I love Josh Allen, and I do love him,


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[Assistant] The one thing I haven't seen on, and it doesn't mean we're not gonna see it, but the one thing I haven't seen from Brock Purdy yet...


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[Assistant] Is his mind making a decision that his arm can't back up? He's been so good with the football. In fact, as good as anyone over the last 11 games. What are you seeing on his processor?


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[Assistant] Where they are as it pertains to the Eagles. Obviously last year the Eagles got to the Super Bowl. Purdy wasn't healthy in that game. I'm sure you've seen the Eagles this play, or play this season.


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[Assistant] Do the 49ers match up more favorably this year with obviously a healthy Brock Purdy? Are they a better football team than the Philadelphia Eagles right now?


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[Assistant] Thanks, Brian. Good stuff. Brian, great stuff. Thank you very much. Give my best to John Lynch.


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[Assistant] Man, their best game of the season though, G-Boys, their first three games, their, their opponents


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[Assistant] How many times are there matchups like this where everybody says this was easy and it's not. I mean, that's why the NFL is the greatest league in the world. Look, it might end up being, you know, everybody


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[Assistant] Everybody picked San Francisco against Dallas and that one was easy. They got that one right. But this one is even easier for the experts. What's the line now? It was seven last time I checked. Started at three, three and a half, already moved to six.


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[Assistant] Miles is gonna be his normal disruptive self, but you've got one quarterback.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to call him a statue. I don't think he's fast, but I think he does a really good job, and Brady did this too, stepping up into the pocket, making one move in the pocket.


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[Assistant] He's not mobile. No. He doesn't run ever. He called him a statue. Statues to me are guys that drop back and never move. Well, who's that? Believe it or not, they're out there.


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[Assistant] When you drop back and you're able to feel pressure, slide, step, move, Bernie does that very well.


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[Assistant] What he can do is buy a little bit of time with the move in the pocket. He does not want to run the football, nor would I want him running the football.


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[Assistant] And I don't want him to, ever. He's too good throwing it. Don't, don't goof it up. Just drop back, buy yourself a little at a time. Well they don't need him to.


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[Assistant] Cause what you're asking is, will three wide receivers from one team


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[Assistant] Have more receiving yards than a running back from the other team. But the fact that this is a legitimate question does two things. It speaks to the excellence of Christian McCaffrey as a diverse player. It also speaks to the horrific wide receiver room that the Cleveland Browns are working with right now.


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[Assistant] That's exactly why I did it too. If DeSean Watson's playing this is not a question. But he's not in all likelihood. We're assuming. I shouldn't even say that. We don't know in all likelihood. We don't know anything. We know that he hasn't practiced in two weeks.


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[Assistant] Okay, because he puts on a show at 5 o'clock. Right, right, right. But when the game starts, he's nowhere to be seen. That's right. Uh, I'm wondering if he isn't football's version of a training camp hero.


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[Assistant] Here's why. He doesn't need to. He doesn't need to. Their offense is two steps, get the ball out.


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[Assistant] From now on, on this program, he's known as The Brock. I will not call, and I like him. Can you smell?


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[Assistant] Oh shit, I, I, you know what, I might have, all of my answers from here on down might be wrong then, cause I might have answered them out of order. You answered them all. I don't ever remember seeing that.


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[Assistant] But I still think that, you know, I don't remember seeing that question, so that could have been my bad. All of my answers from here on out might be one question lower. I might have goofed them all up.


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[Assistant] They'd certainly be in the bottom five or six. I don't know. Giants have zero receivers. Call up the Giants right now. Tell me what their receiver numbers are. And put ours up on the screen while you tell us. They're not any good. You don't want to know, trust me. And they are bad. Danny Dimes got decked, what, nine or ten times against the Seahawks? 11 sacks.


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[Assistant] That's more than DPJ is averaging. He's averaging over 20 a game. I mean.


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[Assistant] You know, go back to this guy and he's a hard runner. This is going to be a physical game. I want someone that's going to take the fight to them.


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[Assistant] And on the bright side, we talked about this, he's handled the ball like 1,200 times in the NFL and has lost four fumbles.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that it's going to be very difficult for us to get Brock Purdy. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I would think the game plan is, you're never gonna get to the top of your drop. You're gonna get, it's everything's gonna be one, two, out. That's it. You can't expect to drop back against this team.


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[Assistant] And stand there at the back of your drop and look for receivers. That will lead to many, many, many, many sacks. So they've had two weeks to get ready for this. What does a good coach do? He looks at what the opposition does best. They get to quarterbacks. That's what they do.


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[Assistant] So everything in this game plan, when I see Kevin Stefanski for the first time and it looks something like this, every play on this sheet better be a two second play.


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[Assistant] And, and, and, and I think they're gonna surprise us. Yeaah. And, and hopefully in the third quarter we're hearing the announcer saying, we haven't been calling Joe, uh, Bose's name. We haven't been calling the defensive front's names. That's my hope. I only got two touches. And a man can dream.


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[Assistant] I agree because you know why? We've, we've been dealing with this law since Sunday. Yeaah. Right. We've been, you know, like normally in the Jets game, we had .4 seconds to realize that we were gonna lose. Pivot. And then it's like hits you like an avalanche. Yeaah. Yeaah. We've really, all of us have been saying they don't have much of a chance here. Right.


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[Assistant] It is. And for anybody who says that's nonsense.


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[Assistant] Ask the Cowboys Heart they fell Monday after the 42-10.


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[Assistant] The temperature in this room, there's gonna be no air in this studio. But if we lose 28-27 on a last second touchdown by Brock Purdy,


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[Assistant] You know, then we're going to say we had the best team in the NFL on the ropes. There's a different level to that.


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[Assistant] They're right because what that means is this defense that we thought was elite just proved it against one of the best offenses in the game.


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[Assistant] I just believe in this, in both defenses so much. Typically great defenses don't give up those long ones. We'll see.


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[Assistant] I don't think we're going to score a 45 yard touchdown. What's our longest touchdown this year?


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[Assistant] So it all depends on the weather. I've always said that. If we ever get one.


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[Assistant] If the Browns won, it's going to be Bedlam. No, but imagine this, because this happens in Northeast Ohio. At that time, we're getting a Nor'easter.


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[Assistant] Like, that's what, to me, that's what this would be equivalent to. The Red Sox, when they won their parade under Tito the first time.


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[Assistant] It was just like, you know, you're talking about, in this case,


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[Assistant] It would still reach a level. But just to be on the biggest stage. We haven't even been on the biggest stage. Here's the math to this. And it really isn't.


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[Assistant] As accurate as I'm gonna say, because there's 32 teams now. When the Super Bowl was only 10 years old, there were 28 teams.


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[Assistant] But let's just say there's 30 teams and there's 58 Super Bowls.


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[Assistant] All you have to do to get to a Super Bowl is be 1 of 15 or 1 of 16 for 58 years and we haven't done it!


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[Assistant] Just us and the lions. Now, here's another way that drives your mind nuts.


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[Assistant] If you think of it where, and the NFL rotates its talent cycle, draft and everything else. If it's done on a mathematical basis, every team in the AFC,


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[Assistant] Should be going on their fourth Super Bowl. Most of them would have already been to three. That's if, if you rotate every 15 years, you get to win, you get to win, you get to win. That means every 15 years you're in a Super Bowl or 16 now.


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[Assistant] Thirty-two would be two cycles where everybody gets a chance.


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[Assistant] 48 would be everybody gets a chance three times.


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[Assistant] And 64, which we're 6 away from, would be every team gets a chance 4 times. And we haven't figured it out.


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[Assistant] They've overcome massive disadvantages in the other two to get there and collectively they've been there seven times. Eight. Eight times.


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[Assistant] And the Browns haven't managed it once.


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[Assistant] I know, you, when we were watching the Super Bowl at my house last year, when they were doing the introductions and they were coming on the field, G. Bush leans over to me and he goes...


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[Assistant] Now, all that being said, when they get there, I'll probably call off for a week if they lose.


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[Assistant] I was on the field, watching the celebration, and 10 minutes later I was on ESPN.


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[Assistant] That's poor behavior. Yeah, do not get into the face of a fan.


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[Assistant] After a game seven, or a Super Bowl, or a championship loss, don't do that. We with class.


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[Assistant] I told you what Bernie said. I'll never forget the moment because we were in the dugout suite. Me, Bernie, my son and my producer, my sports center on the road producer who's from Cleveland and a huge sports fan. Actually he's from Columbus.


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[Assistant] But he was drafted as a major league pitcher. He pitched back to back, no hitters in high school. Blew out his arm and never got to the majors.


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[Assistant] I know, I go, there's, there's no one you would least rather have up in that spot. He was throwing smoke. Oh, it was, I think I told you guys, it looked like CG. I've never thought that before. When he came into the game and was warming up, we all looked at one another and said, that looks fake.


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[Assistant] Because we've never seen or heard the pop like that before. He hit the home run and


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[Assistant] We all four are hugging, jumping up and down. We didn't even see him around the bases. When we finally let go, he was already getting congratulations in the dugout.


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[Assistant] Bernie told me that night, even after the loss, in all of my entire life, all of my athletic achievements,


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[Assistant] You know, he had, he won a Super Bowl in Dallas. He had some unbelievable highs here with the Browns and in college at the University of Miami. He said, in all of my life,


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[Assistant] That is the most exciting play I've ever witnessed.


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[Assistant] And I asked him about a year later, I said, was that prisoner of the moment?


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[Assistant] No. I've never felt euphoria like I did that night.


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[Assistant] Play into the Browns thinking at the end of the year if there is a nine and eight like I predict or


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[Assistant] She must not be able to hear us either. Aditi, for some reason we lost your mic.


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[Assistant] She makes a point. Let me try to answer that. When I think of the two defenses.


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[Assistant] The defense of the Steelers makes splash plays in the most opportunistic moments of football games. Their combo of Highsmith and Watt


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[Assistant] They beat Baltimore the exact same way they beat us. The only difference was Watt didn't take the one against Baltimore to the house. Right. So why not? Well, here's what's lacking from this defense. And I've said it all year. They don't force turnovers.


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[Assistant] Why can't the Browns do that? That is the question that we've been asking forever.


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[Assistant] And it's like, you can't, guys, you can't do it. By the way, in that instance, it's a 10 yard penalty, but really it's a 35 yard penalty because if the gate's a 25 yard run, it puts you back minus 10.


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[Assistant] Let San Francisco think they're preparing for two different quarterbacks. But the fact that, and we'll find out.


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[Assistant] And that's the air that they made. Like you can't air on that side.


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[Assistant] I am beginning to think that this is a six week thing.


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[Assistant] Six more weeks are just from the beginning of the injury. And here's why.


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[Assistant] Well, I told you that I texted with the guy that did my surgery. We're talking about, he goes, again, he starts all of his conversations when I ask him questions about this. Jay, I don't know because I haven't seen, don't know the scans, don't know, I don't know the situation. Here's what I know in general about that injury. It takes time to heal. You just read a super chat, Mike.


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[Assistant] From somebody in Florida that watches us, whose wife is a doctor, and she said the same thing that my surgeon said. 75% after 6 weeks? After 6 weeks.


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[Assistant] That's crazy. And it is a painful thing, guys. It is a painful injury. And I don't know that, the Browns must not have known it was a bruise on his rotator cuff when they were telling, when, when, when


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[Assistant] That Sean was telling everybody he's gonna play Sunday, and Barry was telling people he's gonna play in two weeks.


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[Assistant] And so I think now that they have a better understanding of what the injury is, if it really is a bruised rotator cuff and they want to be very careful about this thing, I don't think it's a one week or a two week thing. It could be a four to six week thing.


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[Assistant] Well, to that point, when I was saying where the Browns really screwed this up was the Sunday of the injury.


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[Assistant] You can put Deshaun Watson out there any time, any point, with no practice. He's a veteran. He knows this offense. It's his.


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[Assistant] Where the Browns messed this whole thing up was not telling


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[Assistant] DTR on Sunday of the Titans game when Deshaun clearly knew that this was something. You're just going to, here's how we're going to prepare for Baltimore. You're, you're going to be the starter. Now you may prepare all week and we may prepare all week that you're the starter, but Sunday at noon,


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[Assistant] If Watson comes out and takes the shot and throws and is pain free.


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[Assistant] I doubt he's throwing. You're going to aggravate it. It's the rotator cup.


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[Assistant] I mean, the actual throwing motion, that's the engine to the throwing motion. There's no way he could throw and


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[Assistant] If it's still not healed, and this thing would be in the process of getting better every day.


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[Assistant] I think what's troubling too is the organizational flip flop on the most important position in the game.


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[Assistant] Just go back to 2020 and look at how this organization has pivoted at that position. And I'm not just talking about the Baker to Deshaun. I can understand why someone would want to make that move.


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[Assistant] Josh Dobbs is your backup quarterback, and all of a sudden, DTR, a fifth round draft pick rookie, looks good in, in, uh, preseason, and you, and you just say, yeaah, you know what, uh, Dobbs, we don't need Dobbs as a backup, DTR as a backup.


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[Assistant] And then, so they shifted from, no, it's not Dobbs, it's DTR. And then in one week they said, no, it's not DTR, it's PJ, who wasn't here a month ago.


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[Assistant] I had a question that I wanted to ask you. Well actually I wanted to answer one of your questions. I think your question was rhetorical. When you said, why can't the Browns do that? And when we lost you, I answered that question to the panel and now I'll answer it to you and I'd love to get your response.


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[Assistant] The difference between the Steelers and the Browns defenses. I think the Browns, and I don't think there's much argument to this, have the better roster. I do.


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[Assistant] Is the ability to make the big play when the game hangs in the balance. I've seen that twice out of this Steelers defense and oddly enough it was the same combo. Highsmith gets free, strip sack, TJ picks it up against the Browns, he goes to the house, against the Ravens, he ices the game.


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[Assistant] What this Brown's defense is lacking are those flash splash plays and turnovers. They don't create turnovers. And that would be my rhetorical answer or my answer to what I think for you was a rhetorical question. How do you respond to that?


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[Assistant] That's the only way to win. And all these problems, Aditi, cause you're right, like at the end of the day, it's not, it's not doom and gloom. This team is two and two. With the win over this team, suddenly everything is rainbows and sunshine.


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[Assistant] However, all of these warts that we've pointed out and we haven't even discussed with you the communication issues that are clearly a problem with this team. General manager, coach, different messaging, player, different messaging, Deshaun coming out after the Steelers game and flat saying the communication is not good.


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[Assistant] All of those issues, how do you make all those go away? You wave the magic wand of victory. And suddenly, poof, they're all gone.


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[Assistant] Yeah, start making big plays in big games and earning that reputation that the Steelers have deserved because they've earned it and they keep re-stamping those genius and excellence credentials every time they do it again. Aditi, we gotta go. It's coming up on 1 o'clock. We will see you next week. Thanks for having me.


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[Assistant] Don't write checks your teammates have to cash. Especially a rookie.


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[Assistant] It's one thing if you as the defensive back when you're going to be on the field manning up with him. It's one thing if you're dumb enough to say it.


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[Assistant] Oh, he heard it. He heard it loud and clear. And what do you think he's going to say if they win after the game?


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[Assistant] Could it be that that one game is what they call an outlier? Seventy points though? Fifty points? I'll give you.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Remarkable. I don't know why y'all didn't ask the most popular person on the show what he thought. McNuggets. McNuggets. What do you think?


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[Assistant] O'Dell's out. Zay Flowers is pretty good. Is O'Dell still out? He's TBD. Does O'Dell have much value at this point? I don't, I mean, if I had to pick though, I'd much rather


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[Assistant] I mean, he's going to play with some edge because it's the Browns. That's true. But Zay Flowers, Mark Andrews. Flowers is a baller. This is a big play.


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[Assistant] Yes. I'm going- That's Deshaun Watson. I'm going Joel Botonio at 75.1 cause why not?


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[Assistant] Jason said that the tackle thing was gonna be a problem. And what I'm finding out is really the whole line.


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[Assistant] Because J.O.K.'s been working out with De'Quil Jackson. That's it. As all season. If J.O.K. don't have a good season, then that means that De'Quil Jackson is a good coach. So we're holding all of J.O.K.'s progress on De'Quil Jackson. Do we know that De'Quil is winning? Good job out of you.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, what do you think led to Deshaun Watson's success? Because up until last Sunday, he's been struggling in cleaver. So what do you, what did you see that led him to have the performance that he had?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, I'ma get you out here, I'ma get you out on this question right here. And it's not Browns related.


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[Assistant] I've been in, I've been working with the UCSS since day one.


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[Assistant] I think it's only fair that since, if y'all making me move my seat, we gotta wait till Tuesday and Wednesday to do that.


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[Assistant] It was nice to see that. Spoon is one of the dudes that when I was in San Francisco, okay, I watched him and I said, this might be one of the best corners I've ever seen. Like from an athletic standpoint, like this dude is really not a lot that he can't do. And it just, in the game,


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[Assistant] It never materialized. Like it was just something that just wasn't there that kept holding him back. And we would always sit there like, boom, like what are you doing? Like what's the problem?


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[Assistant] I work in graphic design, had a few minutes, I whipped this up. Is it exactly what Steve Becker had asked for earlier? I'm not sure it's going to replace the actual nugget on the graphics, but it did make us all laugh. I don't know how it doesn't. It did make us all laugh, so Anthony will pull that up.


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[Assistant] So you want to do a read before we dive in? We do guys. And before we get to our first topic of the day, which involves Deshaun Watson's right shoulder, I want to tell you that


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[Assistant] Yeah, you actually can sort that according to PFF. PFF's advanced stats this year have taken a gigantic step forward. I can tell you exactly. And by the way.


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[Assistant] Designed quarterback runs vs. scrambles coming up in the 5-piece McNuggets stats to note.


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[Assistant] What's his percentage with a clean pocket? You'll see that it's quite different. Now every, every quarterback is quite different. Sure it is. You can take this fall. This is Sean in 2023 with a clean pocket slash under pressure.


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[Assistant] I have the week one, uh, the week two stats, excuse me. I haven't gotten week three, I can look those up, but the six sacks. What percentage of the sacks are his fault? Of the first six, four were credited to the quarterback, two were credited to the offensive.


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[Assistant] Real quick, before we get to Njoku, then Tim Couch, to Sean Watson's average time to throw this season.


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[Assistant] Two minute warning post game show. Myself, Earl G Bush happens this week as always kicks off the two minute warning. We'll be going live with either reaction, a celebration or therapy, whatever happens on Sunday. Myself, G Earl will be breaking it down for you guys on Sunday. Quickly before we bring in Tim Couch, David and Joku, how could the Browns help unlock their highly paid tight end?


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[Assistant] Yep, we'll bring in Tim in one sec. Before we do that, I want to remind everybody that after Monday's show, Monday, no change to the show, 11 to 1 o'clock, right here, full Ravens breakdown, but from 2 to 4, we are live, this YouTube channel, it is on the public, you don't have to be a member, anyone can watch, we are live from Cavs Media Day, myself, Brad Earle, and a bunch of Cavaliers players will be


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[Assistant] And now we welcome in our quarterback, our QB1, the one, the only.


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[Assistant] Is the counter to that, Tim, you just run to the side that Miles just vacated? Like in all honesty, is that the counter to that?


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[Assistant] Uh, speaking of quarterbacks, I do have to jump in with a little breaking news. Steve, you take tag board fall. Mary Kay Cabot is at Brown practice today. We talked about the Sean source, sore shoulder.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay reporting just a minute ago, he threw two short passes and early drills did not throw during red zone drills. So just something to monitor from now till Sunday.


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[Assistant] We have two head coaches in this matchup who are quite familiar with each other. John Harbaugh's coached against the Browns 30 times, Stefanski not that much, but when you look at these two head coaches.


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[Assistant] Can anyone make the case that Stefanski has the edge over Harbaugh in this matchup?


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[Assistant] Who brought it up on the conference call? Do you want to make that case? Yeaah. No, I don't. He's two and four. But it leads to the second part of this question, which Bo brought up on the conference call this morning. We talk about history of a coach and a team against a opponent.


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[Assistant] And we use the bangles rounds as a perfect example here. Right.


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[Assistant] Are we going to ignore the long-term history?


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[Assistant] Of the Ravens having the Browns number, especially in the hardball era, or are we picking and choosing which history we're gonna...


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[Assistant] And boy, I may have explained that a little wrong, if you want to clarify.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, so I searched the interweb, the deep depths of PFF, Pro Football Reference, any stat website you can find, for the five things I think you need to know.


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[Assistant] You guys tell me what sauce this live piece comes with at the end. Uh, there is a Deshaun Watson stat in there. If he doesn't play, obviously we're going to have to.


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[Assistant] But we're gonna start with Lamar Jackson and Lamar the Scrambler.


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[Assistant] So far this season, 54% of Lamar's Russian Yards have come undesigned.


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[Assistant] Quarterback scramble. So actual offensive plays where Todd Monkin says Lamar, go do what you do best.


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[Assistant] When they dial up quarterback run plays though, he's running 56% to the left side of the line of scrimmage. Now why is that relevant? Well, for the last three years, he's always been at least 50%.


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[Assistant] To the right side. Interesting. New offensive coordinator, maybe new philosophy. Ronnie Staley's the left tackle here. Why that matters on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Well, Miles Garrett is lined up over the left tackle.


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[Assistant] If you're going to run at any defensive end in the NFL, the one I want to run at the least is number 95 on Cleveland. So if the tendencies, what we've seen through three games so far hold up, we're going to see a lot of miles trying to shed a blocker.


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[Assistant] And tackle Lamar Jackson at one time. I'll put my money at 95 in that match.


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[Assistant] Only 37.5% completion percentage is thrown at interception. That 43.9% difference is the single biggest difference in the NFL through three weeks.


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[Assistant] Minus last night's game, I have to go check, I did this yesterday. Yeah. Of any quarterback's completion percentage between a clean pocket


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[Assistant] And under pressure, his PFF grade drops 57 points from a clean pocket from a 90.1.


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[Assistant] into the 40s under pressure. According to PFF, in only 16 drop backs where he's been under pressure,


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[Assistant] He has three turnover worthy throws. That's a 8.3%, the highest number in the NFL. And to put that into context, just to give you what's coming on Sunday, the Browns generate pressure on 32.3% of opposing quarterback drop backs. That is the number one highest rate.


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[Assistant] Last season, 249 drop-backs in a clean pocket, a 70% completion percentage, 13 touchdowns, 5 interceptions, an 88.6 PFF grade.


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[Assistant] Last season under pressure, 129 drop backs, a 40.9% completion percentage, so 30 points fewer, 4 touchdowns, 2 interceptions, a 51.9 PFF grade. So, not as big of a drop off this year. Still pretty significant. But weird is, I would need to know where that ranks.


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[Assistant] Alright, number three, we're gonna talk a little Deshaun Watson here, so this one could change obviously if Deshaun doesn't play. What I've thought of Deshaun Watson's season,


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[Assistant] I thought he hasn't been very good throwing the deep ball, which has been his strength throughout the most of his career. But when you go into the advanced analytics and the numbers, he's actually four of six.


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[Assistant] He has 6 completions of 20 plus air yards between the hashes this season. Which, I went back in tracks because I couldn't remember them.


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[Assistant] It's true. He does. And four of those have been graded as big time throws by PFF, which essentially means your average quarterback's not making that type of throw. Right. Three of those four passes inside the hashes, including the one to Amari Cooper last week.


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[Assistant] has led to a touchdown. Marlon Humphrey not expected to play on Sunday. The Ravens have given up the second most yards in the NFL in the air between the hashes this season.


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[Assistant] The four is, uh, the four was third in the NFL of big time throws between the hashes. I'm not sure on completions. I can look that up for you in a sec.


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[Assistant] He is 13 of 16 this season, a deep pass of 20 plus yards. However, of the six completions, four have been tracked as big time throws.


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[Assistant] By the way, the big time throws don't have to be completions.


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[Assistant] Miles Garrett, we talked about him needing to have a monster season. This was his chance to break out. Well, so far the three games, he is doing that. He is the single highest PFF pass rush grade in the NFL through three weeks, a 93.6. He's on pace to set a single season career high in pressures with 51, sacks with 20, quarterback hits with 23, a pass rush win rate.


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[Assistant] And the opposing tackles he's faced through three games this season have an average PFF grade of 28.9.


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[Assistant] Miles Garrett, regardless of who's at quarterback for the Browns, is poised to wreak havoc on Baltimore's offensive.


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[Assistant] Before I read you guys my final stat, we can't show it, but on Twitter there's a play going around that shows where it, it may be Deshaun Watson getting hurt. It was a design quarterback run by the way.


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[Assistant] Alright, our final five piece of McNuggets stat is that MJ Emerson is that dude. Through three games this year, Denzel Ward's been targeted 22 times and given up 11 receptions, 151 yards.


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[Assistant] My suggestion for the defensive line nickname, Hounds of War, real quick, like it, don't


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[Assistant] Uh, Professor Chaos says, Gee Bush, you should make a couple Kool-Aid mafia shirts or hoodies with the Captain Patch.


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[Assistant] Uh, Professor KS also says G Bush looks like the rock in the photo with a turtleneck and a chain. That's true!


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[Assistant] Right? Like, uh, as a defensive player, like he made it cool and kind of set the tone for everybody else.


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[Assistant] Uh, and also man, I picked up MMA. I started training MMA during that all season to work on my hands and endurance, and uh, I just, I felt better.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, you know, he's a, he has a combination cause he's still a tall guy to bend to be nimble enough to come up under and make these, make these big plays happen. Mikey.


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[Assistant] You know, in certain, certain, uh, uh, positions. Um, you know, Lamar Jackson is going to get his yards. You're not going to shut Lamar Jackson down. He's going to beat you or beat it with his arm or legs at some point in time. He's going to get his place. But if you go back and watch that game, man, you see some guys getting bullied a little bit on the offense and defense line.


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[Assistant] When I look at this game, when I looked at it last night, I thought the positives was that the defense was unbelievable. Unbelievable. The way that defense players, they continue to play like that, that will keep the Browns season alive. They'll keep the Browns able to win games because you're talking about giving up


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[Assistant] With 13 points as a defense, the Browns could easily score 14. They ended up scoring 22. They should have won that game. The offense, y'all gotta figure something out. I mean, yes, Nick Chubb was a big part and before the season, we, people sat there and actually asked.


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[Assistant] Don't do that. Definitively the answer is absolutely not. You know, it's not there yet. And yes, the tackles play a huge part of it. Dwayne Jones, I thought, you know, started off


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[Assistant] Big play after big play after big play. Yeah, sure. Okay. Both of them. The Tacos gotta play better. The Tacos can really hurt this whole season. And the thing is, I'm interested because the Browns, y'all move very...


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[Assistant] Very courageous this offseason. I mean, y'all, if anything was a problem, y'all addressed it. You know, you, you got rid of the kicker. You got a whole new defensive front in there. You got a new defensive coordinator, a new special teams coordinator. I'm very interested to see like, alright, now at what point are you gonna say,


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[Assistant] The tackle is the biggest concern to me. Like, I mean, come on now. Y'all really about to jeopardize the rest of y'all season because y'all drafted this guy. Like, he's not getting it done, so.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to say it's hard to get a look on Deshaun Watson, but it is difficult for a quarterback to get a drop back and have to move his feet every single time because the guy is in the backfield. So that muddies it up. But Deshaun Watson flat out did not make the plays that he needed to make. Uhm, I'm with Bull on this one. He's 100% right. You know, we've given him pass after pass. I'm not giving up on him either.


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[Assistant] Because that was the one consistent thing that every Brown fan depended on or offered. We knew when in doubt.


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[Assistant] Get that ball to Nick Schubbin. I don't care if the line is playing good or playing bad. That man is going to find a way to get a crease and make something happen. And now that you don't have that spark anymore on offense, it's only on, it's up to number four to figure something out.


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[Assistant] And, and the way he's been playing is scary. Cause you're right, we gave him the weather excuse. This one, there's no excuse. There's no excuse. You missed some throws. As a leader, you definitely lost your cool a couple of times. You had two personal foul face masks. And I get it. And sometimes you, you still, you throw the stiff arm and you got the tendency to grab.


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[Assistant] But the one, the first one, you kinda twisted it in a little thing. It was a little extra stuff that you did, so.


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[Assistant] Listen, it's solely on you. The season will ride or die with the way you play. That's right. And you don't have your safety blanket mixed up. Even Amari Cooper was questionable. He had a groin injury just two days ago.


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[Assistant] Why can't you do the same thing? You gotta figure it out. You and Kevin Stefanski, y'all got together this whole offseason, talked about, it's a brand new playbook, it's an explosive offense, and us Browns fans is waiting to see that. So, y'all gotta figure something out. Cause to me, this loss,


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[Assistant] Was as bad as the Jets lost last year. I know it was a whole debacle in the fourth quarter, but this one right here was a winnable game. The game was won and y'all found a way to give this game away by throwing a pick six and by fumbling the ball. At worst, as a quarterback, at worst, you can miss every throw for the whole game, but at worst,


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[Assistant] Take care of the football. You do that, you somehow still win this game. So I put it all solely on the quarterback play and on the offense.


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[Assistant] I would say, and I swear Mcnuggets, I'ma let you get this read, but I would say that


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[Assistant] You said that you think that they knew what they were doing.


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[Assistant] His words were, we knew exactly what was coming. If I'm beating their tackles every play. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] This is what it is. This is how you gotta look at it, okay? Boy, everybody's different. So for you, it might be easy to be like, you know what, let's just flip the page. For me, as an athlete, turn the page. You can't tell people how to handle their film.


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[Assistant] Maybe it is, but... Well the one interesting thing about the Browns and the Kevin Stefanski thing is this, is that...


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[Assistant] As a defense, okay, you, you switched your defensive coordinator in the offseason. And that defense went from one of the worst defenses to looking like one of the best. Could you do that with a switch at all?


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[Assistant] Yes, but my thing is, how is it that Jim Schwartz have that much of an impact that he can take a group of guys and flip them?


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[Assistant] If he was doing it with the same crew, I would say the guy's Houdini. Did the offense not add some pieces? They got a whole new receiving corps. Here's the problem with the offense.


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[Assistant] I thought he was very creative. I just thought the weather was bad and he missed some throws. But I thought as far as drawing people and scheming people open, they was open. Jay, what crea- you guys all complained about the fourth-


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[Assistant] I haven't begun yet. We gotta watch it from the all 22 angle because I need to see if these receivers was open or not. Right? Like I get that. Sometimes you can't, you know, you can't see it from a TV.


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[Assistant] He should have put that ball right on his outside number. That's where it was supposed to be. As soon as he turned, it should have been right on his outside number. Put that stat up again that you just had before that.


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[Assistant] I wonder how many, was he down, was he throwing down the field or was these like, like, screens and like over and dragged? Cause that makes a difference.


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[Assistant] That's it. That's it. This right here where Hubio, remember, remember like, it was about two or three months, maybe two or three months ago, we sat here and the question was, should the Browns get


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[Assistant] No, no, can't he turn around? This is the thing. This isn't a bad game. This is the thing. This is.


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[Assistant] That's right. But he's got to be as good as he has been bad. The biggest problem with Deshaun Watson is consistency. Because over his eight games as a Brown, whether it's been good, bad, or indifference, it still has been something in those games where you was like, it's still there. It's still there. I got it.


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[Assistant] Why isn't he doing it in the game? That's the problem. Is it mental? It could be mental. It could be mental.


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[Assistant] I hope not. I give you an example of myself. I was, you know this confident guy that I am today, I never was always that guy. You know that? I was never that guy.


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[Assistant] No. Cause I did. No, I didn't do that. I did. I just told myself, like, you're here for a reason. Like, and then I would have over the course of my play, you know, always be other people that would be like, man, that's really good. Like, you are good. So then I started thinking, man, maybe I am pretty good. Cause a lot of the times- You started buying your own height. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I am like that, like I am that good and it just bled into who I am today.


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[Assistant] A lot of them that I've seen bounce back. A lot of them bounce back. I can't really recall somebody who


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[Assistant] Who didn't bounce back because, and the thing with the Deshaun Watson thing is that, yeaah, he had...


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[Assistant] It was everywhere and he could never avoid it. I mean his family went through it for him because of him.


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[Assistant] But, as a person and as a competitor and as a guy,


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[Assistant] And on top of that, the best part about it is you got a team that believes in you, that gives you all the support in the world.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they do. They have no choice. You got teammates that sit there and cheer you on and believe you. Every time I hear this whole preseason, every time I got sound for the Browns Radio Network, it'd be, four is like that. Oh, wait till y'all see four. Four really a dope


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[Assistant] No, no it was not a dirty hit and I know people are upset by that and I get that it's Nick Chubb and everybody's like, you know, like he went low on Nick Chubb and blah blah blah blah blah. When I went back and I talked to Bull about this this morning and I looked at it again, like I really sat there in detail and I looked at it.


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[Assistant] When Minka, first of all Minka Fitzpatrick is not a dirty player. So let's get that out there. He's never been accused of being dirty or anything.


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[Assistant] This, this is right, this is after, he's throwing himself at a thigh right now. Would you, would you say that? Uh, I would say that he is throwing, throwing through to the thigh.


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[Assistant] Delivery punishment. His helmet never made contact. See that?


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[Assistant] Well that, I think that's, that's a common thing. Cause if you don't wrap up, if you throw yourself, not, these running backs, they'll just bounce off. Like it'll boom and bounce off. But if you roll, it'll roll they leg and they'll fall over you.


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[Assistant] Well, you definitely gotta have three on the roster, so let's get that, let's get that situated right then and there. So they definitely have to bring in a guy. Obviously the, the favorite names right now is Kareem Hunt. Uhm, I think Jonathan Taylor has obviously won Cam Acres. Uhm, but to me, I think that if you're gonna bring in a running back, I would bring in a guy because I'm,


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[Assistant] As crazy as this sounds, I'm decently comfortable with Jerome Ford. Because I think he brings the speed element. I love Jerome Ford. He brings the speed element. He can catch the ball out the backfield. Number four is going to be the one doing everything. You need a pass catcher out the backfield. But you also need a guy that can run between tackles. And I think Jerome Ford showed that he can do that. And he got that long speed.


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[Assistant] But, I mean, him, four net, I take four net and put a short yardage gun in. Yea, I take four nets out of gas.


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[Assistant] If you trade for, if you trade for Jonathan Taylor, you have to be, you have to give him a contract. And I guess with Chubb being out, if he never plays again, you will need to learn him back for the long run and Jonathan Taylor is pretty proven. So that's a, that's an option.


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[Assistant] He's still not that, I don't think he's that in between the tackles type of guy that can get the short yardage. Is he? I don't think so either. So that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like, I think Jerome Ford is cool enough to get a lot of things done. It's just the short yardage and the fourth and ones and the third and ones. That's where you worry.


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[Assistant] Listen, I ain't up late no more. I ain't gotta work with that. Who do we fear? Who do you fear on the browse office right now? Nobody!


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb was the only guy that I was like, alright, we gotta, he's a problem. He can win them this game single-handedly. Now that he's gone.


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[Assistant] Listen, we got a game plan. Get after Deshaun Watson. The tackles ain't good, so let's get a good pass rush. Let's put, maybe put a bracket on Amari Cooper because he's the only guy that's a problem.


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[Assistant] So typically, when you're a punt returner, they tell you to put your heels on either the 10 to 8 yard line, 8 or 10 yard line. If the ball goes over your head, where'd it go? I don't know what he was doing. He got one job.


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[Assistant] Crazy to me. They, they had all these packages, all this running back stuff. Yeaah. He was, and we seen him going against Denzel Ward and, and training camp, beating him on routes and,


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[Assistant] But we knew that coming into the season. We said outside of Amari Cooper, he's, well Amari Cooper is the only guaranteed guy. Outside of that is, we hope that we win.


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[Assistant] People been saying the same thing for three years. Right. So I think that's why people is like, at some point,


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he do got a problem with doing that.


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[Assistant] That left, that left tackle is bigger than that quarterback situation. What? How am I going to run anything?


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[Assistant] He's a big ten gap per dude, you know, he had to do a, he ain't, he's not a,


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[Assistant] What are you after this season? What do you, what's the, what's the goal of this season? What do you mean?


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[Assistant] What's the end goal? What's the end goal? What do you want? Okay. Can you do that without a tap? It's harder, but you can. Give me an example. The Bengals were one play away. One play away. I said give me an example.


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[Assistant] I thought he was like, if he became the starting quarterback, I thought it was like a hundred million.


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[Assistant] I can't do it. I agree with that because this is the first time that Miles got their support. He's got the dogs around him now.


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[Assistant] So my point is, what's the point of, what's the point of play act? Let him block. Yes. Like don't play act, just let him block.


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[Assistant] The game on the line, it went to DPJ, all people. Unreal.


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[Assistant] That's not true because if I'm sitting, if, if G, G Bush usually is the conservative one and I can still jump in now that he's not here. I'm fully taking on the G role. I never thought of G Bush.


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[Assistant] At least you can take a breath a little bit. You know, it's a little more relaxing. I don't breathe.


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[Assistant] The Niners are such a good team, they're not going to lose two in a row, so let's have them beat the Cowboys.


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[Assistant] So they're more likely to slip up against the Browns.


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[Assistant] We gotta, somebody sent a tweet to at least me, but I think it was to all you guys, from somebody in Scotland, I think.


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[Assistant] By the way, speaking of McNuggets, I'm embarrassed to admit, but I'll admit it anyway, I, uh, went through the McDonald's drive-thru yesterday and had 10 McNuggets.


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[Assistant] Yes he is. That's why it was shocking. He will say nothing before he tells the truth. And whether it, like, the more you thought about it, you're like, okay, he's not gonna throw him under the bus, doesn't make any sense. But, if Deshaun takes it as him throwing him under the bus, that could lead to friction between Stefanski and Deshaun.


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[Assistant] Right, I agree, and I think the important questions now for the team are A.


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[Assistant] Is there any friction between Stefanski and Watson? You just said you don't know and if anybody would know here it would be you and you don't. So we'll see. I think it's probably fine.


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[Assistant] There are times on this show where we argue, it gets feisty, you know.


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[Assistant] And you're mad in the moment, but then it goes away. It's an in the moment thing. And then there's the mad where it's like...


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[Assistant] And remember, uh, you know, in week one, with the whole, the Browns or the Browns, or whatever Jabarchi had said. Originally it was the Steelers saying the Browns or the Browns. Cleveland is Cleveland. Cleveland is Cleveland, right?


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[Assistant] You know, after you beat up the Bengals and then, you know, you feel like, okay, maybe this year's gonna be different. If you're a veteran player on the Brown.


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[Assistant] You've been getting humiliated for the most part by the Ravens of Steelers a lot. Mhm. Yup. Right? And, and so, especially the Ravens.


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[Assistant] And so your frustration, yeaah, I mean, if I were a veteran on that team that had been here, if I were Miles Garrett, if I were Joel Batonio, Nick Chubb if I were healthy.


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[Assistant] And if Deshaun Watson, my teammate, my friend hopefully, is telling me all week he's gonna play.


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[Assistant] I'm like, okay, here we go, we go. And then all of a sudden, Sunday morning, we find out DTR playing. It's like letting the air out of the balloon. I'm like, if I'm Miles Garrett, I'm Joe Batonio, I'm Wyatt Teller, I'm Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] They're, they're not living in la la land. You can say to the media we got a chance. They know they got no chance.


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[Assistant] I would argue though that the last time Deshaun Watson played, the offense was very good. Yes, they were. So, I think we need to throw out the last game because they had a guy not qualified to start an NFL game at quarterback.


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[Assistant] Mike, I gotta be for the ball. I gotta be for the ball.


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[Assistant] Of course you do. Okay. You should have had three options. It should have been big deal, little deal, no deal.


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[Assistant] I was gonna run out and just go get some breakfast, but G and I got into this long conversation we won't discuss what we're talking about.


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[Assistant] But, with this long conversation, eventually we got to the point where I couldn't run out to get some.


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[Assistant] Well, I saw in our kitchen upstairs, they have these frozen Stouffer's meals. Okay. And it's fried chicken with mashed potatoes, gravy and corn.


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[Assistant] Because you guys have been, you two have been talking all week about how this team was made to be run blockers and now you're saying they're worse against


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[Assistant] They haven't been. I'll say, so, but that's what I thought. Ron, so we're a clean sweep here, Mike.


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[Assistant] All three of those scores are based on the 0 to 100 scale? Correct. So that's kinda weird that like,


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[Assistant] The yards for contact with Nick Chubb and the runs without Nick Chubb by any chance.


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[Assistant] Woah, simply, I mean, PFF is using analytics as well.


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[Assistant] So what this tells me at this point is that there's actually a massive gap between the Browns pass blocking and run blocking, which I didn't think was the case.


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[Assistant] They must, I mean, PFF and ESPN, they must be top five fast blocking. Just those two.


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[Assistant] The running back factors in. Because if the run, if you have a running back like Nick Chubb, who's gonna be way more decisive than these inexperienced backs like Jerome Ford,


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[Assistant] Well, he's gonna get going quicker, which makes it harder for the team to make that contact earlier.


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[Assistant] And that's much more likely to happen with a Jerome Ford than a Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] In my mind, yes, because Nick Chubb always seems to make the right decision. I can't imagine Nick Chubb missing many well-blocked holes, you know.


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[Assistant] I think the, I think the DTR, you gotta just completely take you out of it. Cause it's, it's, the, the reasons for that is very different. He, he was in over his head, he didn't really know what the hell he was doing. But that time to throw shows you he had time.


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[Assistant] He was getting time. Right, right. And that a lot of the brown sacks are on the quarterback for holding the ball.


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[Assistant] That's, you know, when I've mentioned a number of times, well, the Bengals went to the Super Bowl with a bad offensive line, so maybe the Browns could do the same thing. The thing is, Joe Burrow,


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[Assistant] I don't know about this year because this year has been a mess, but until this year, he's always been top two or three in terms of


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[Assistant] Then the Browns guys are, but still, they've gotta get rid of the ball quicker. I think that's part of it. Especially because even though, even though clearly the offensive line in pass block is doing better than we think, but Jed Wills I'm guessing isn't. He's clearly the weak link.


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[Assistant] It might be the worst ever because we've both thrown so much, you know, who knows? Mike, how does he compare to the rest of the Browns at this point? The rest of the Browns linemen?


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[Assistant] He's allowed 18 pressures? Correct. The next highest is 8. So what about the other 4 guys combined? Is it more than 18? Yeah. Okay.


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[Assistant] I mean, considering he's a 4th round rookie, his pass blocking has been pretty good. I'll accept that. I mean, he's been better than average for a rookie.


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[Assistant] Would Antonio acknowledge he's not been as good this year? Or do you think he looks at this and says, that's bogus?


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[Assistant] Question is, it's only four games, so it's a small sample size right now. Does he get back to where he's been?


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[Assistant] I wonder in a, in a, if you spoke to, if anybody spoke to Antonio, but if you spoke to him, because you're in the locker room, and you gave him truth serum, and you said, Joel, are you playing worse?


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[Assistant] And if, if he believes he's playing worse, does he think it's on him? Does he think part of the reason he's playing worse is because Jed Wilson's been so bad? That's, that's


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[Assistant] Right, especially because Jones has been really good in the passing game. But what's interesting, what's really interesting about Wyatt Teller there, Mike, if you bring that back up, is that more than anybody else on this line, Wyatt Teller has, in his career here, has been a way better run blocker than pass block.


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[Assistant] Way better. He's been like an elite run blocker and a, you know, solid pass blocker. But this year it's different. This year, he's been, I mean, his run blocking, it's not bad. I mean, it's not terrible. His pass block is almost 10% of the league.


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[Assistant] You replaced Jed Wills with an adequate, not great,


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[Assistant] Obviously you have the experience as a great athlete that I don't.


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[Assistant] Alright, but you always have that off time, you know, he missed one and two third seasons, right? And we've seen guys miss a year, I mean, all the time, and come back and play well, is an extra half a season the difference between being able to come back?


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[Assistant] I can understand, like we undervalued last year that he was going to be rusty and need time.


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[Assistant] But, and maybe you'll be right. You might be right. And maybe he's never going to be the same guy. I thought he showed signs of it against Tennessee. I think we'll see how it goes. But why is the, what's the difference between one year and a year and two thirds?


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[Assistant] I don't know that, like, well, we don't know his workout habits off the field. I mean, Bob, I mean, I think, you know, again, I don't know, maybe you're right, maybe he's not working hard enough, but I don't know that we have any reason to believe that necessarily, that he's not working hard enough in the off season. If we did know that, I'd be like, yeah, well, maybe that's why.


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[Assistant] But the last time we saw him on the field, he played great. So I, I think right now, to me, it's bad timing for the, for, you know.


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[Assistant] And I think we gotta see, like, if he has a bad season, I think that's a more fair conversation to have. I do too. We'll revisit it in December, for sure.


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[Assistant] I'm trading the tainted water, I'll lie about it being tainted, and I'm cutting jet wheels.


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[Assistant] If you can get a 7-6 swap for Claypool, you should be able to get it. Yeaah, exactly.


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[Assistant] One game to make a play. Harbaugh, I'm trading, uh, Tomlin, I'm cutting, uh, variable, variable. That's easy.


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[Assistant] Michael Parsons, I'm trading Max Crosby, I'm cutting Watt. He's been the worst of the three this year.