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[Assistant] Antonio Bryant, Terrell Pryor, and then two years of Ossie Newsom.


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[Assistant] Tim, is Flacco's great play and his comebacks making you think about a comeback now or what?


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[Assistant] Tim, you know, you talked about him playing with confidence, right? Like, I don't want to take away any credit from the coaching staff. Kevin's offense, he's done a magnificent job. This team is unlike


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[Assistant] The last decade, for the most part of Brown's football, they played with confidence, with toughness, and all of that. But it feels like the way Joe has played, and the, the moxie, or the, the veteran influence that he has brought to the offense, that he has lifted the confidence even higher of the rest of the team. Do you buy that?


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[Assistant] Tim, you, uh, you talked about before about how the running game has been ineffective for really less, at least three weeks.


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[Assistant] vision hitting the holes is maybe not what it should be. Do you think because of the offensive line struggles, they'd be better off giving a veteran like Kareem Hunt more carries who has probably, you know, more natural instincts and he's used to


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[Assistant] Since they've been in the NFL, like when they were in the AAFC or whatever. But since they've been in the NFL, they've won 12 games once with Bernie in 86. That's it.


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[Assistant] I mean, obviously he hasn't been as good lately, but yes, I would still have Miles Garrett number one. Agreement? All the way around? Of course. I took him off briefly because of the shoulder.


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[Assistant] I didn't even have him as the best player on the Texans. I didn't either. Nico Collins has had a great year. Yeaah, I don't have him as the best player on the Texans either. And, uh, what's, they have a linebacker whose name is escaping me who has a ton of tackles. Greeners. Saks. Yes. He's got like 12 saks. Saks has had a great year.


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[Assistant] I can tell you in one sec. Give me a sec. I think he's got a good grade. Not elite, but I think good.


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[Assistant] I think he's a good pass blocker. He's always been an excellent tackle. I mean, he deserves, belongs in the conversation.


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[Assistant] I was like, you throw a flag on my list, bro. He's throwing a flag on you. Alright, four. Alright, Flacco gets three, you guys got Flacco. Four, I'm going Wyatt Teller at four.


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[Assistant] I'm going with the Mario Cooper. Okay, so you guys break the tie. It's a four-way tie.


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[Assistant] She wishes everybody likes you. Why wouldn't she? Every year she picks fans that she sends, she and Wyatt send the Christmas card to from her family. Gosh, it would have been great to have her on this week. Yea, yea, yea.


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[Assistant] Yeah, one of our emojis. We forgot to do the top five, uh, backup quarterback draft this week.


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[Assistant] Really? Yes. I would guess that was near the top, but not the top.


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[Assistant] In fairness, wasn't Jacksonville up big on them so they probably weren't throwing in the fourth quarter?


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[Assistant] By the way, Mike, there's a little controversy here. Can you put that last graphic back up for a second? Of course. Not, not that last one, I'm sorry. The one where it has Flacco's numbers. Let's see, take it. We have a little controversy here that I have to hash out.


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[Assistant] Yeah. In terms of Collins, the difference here with Collins though is he's never played with Case Keenum because he's been out the last couple of, he was out last week when Keenum played and he's been hurt. Collins has been out a few weeks, so who knows?


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[Assistant] He's never played with Keenum, so. And he probably hasn't practiced much with him.


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[Assistant] He's had a very good year overall, but the last few weeks he's playing at an elite level. He is. Ha!


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[Assistant] I disagree. I think they're wrong. I think he is in decline. In fact, I would argue that Rashi Rice, the rookie who's played really well lately, is a better wide receiver than anybody the Chiefs had last year.


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[Assistant] Good luck in Kansas City. All right. Bye bye. He's not been that good this year. He's been good, but not as good. Okay. Do you do it right?


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[Assistant] Maybe the best tight end ever. By the way, who's a, who's a, not even close. David Adjoku's a way better blocker. No trade! Kelsey doesn't block. I'm sticking with David Adjoku! Let's go! Let's go! Let's go! Let's go!


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[Assistant] Yeah, I love you, but that stat is useless. That's that's a product of CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] Kevin is locked in every day. He watches the, I've heard he watches the first hour of the show. That's what he gets fired up for the day.


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[Assistant] Welcome one and all to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show here on WKYC. We are so happy to have you with us today. A lot to talk about and we'll get right to it. I'm Adam the Bull and on today's show we'll talk about can the Browns offense lead the way to a victory over the Broncos? Gee Bush.


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[Assistant] There are only freshmen at Ohio State that could say that now, unfortunately. We'll see if they can end that losing streak. Guys, let's get right to it.


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[Assistant] A defensive back. The Browns have had a ton of injuries this year, but they've mostly been on the offense. But now for the first time, injuries are rearing their ugly head on the defense. Last week Anthony Walker was out, but really right now we're focused on the secondary. Juan Thornhill missed yesterday's game. Grant, he's, he is practicing, which is good because I thought he'd be out this week.


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[Assistant] He is banged up though. He's questionable. He got a limited practice in today. So did Grant Delpin who got hurt last week. Denzel Ward has not practiced all week and is expected to miss the game. Guys, and gee, I'll start with you. How big a deal is this that the Browns are banged up in the secondary?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think this is a pretty big deal. I mean, it now depends on who's ultimately playing, but if Thornhill and Delphid both can't go, now you're talking about three of your five starting DBs not playing. As you mentioned, their number three safety is already out for the year.


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[Assistant] If, if you end up not both of them around, we don't know. They're both limited, maybe they're both gonna play. You could have two undrafted rookies who were barely played. A guy who was just on a practice squad is your second safety. I mean that is a major concern in this game. The Browns have been winning.


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[Assistant] They have not, and we'll get into it in a second, whether maybe that'll change, but to this point, they have not been able to win many games.


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[Assistant] With their offense, the defense has carried the load, and if you're missing three of your five DBs, that could change how this game turns out. Hopefully with the limited practices, Thornhill and Delphid will both play.


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[Assistant] In the past couple of weeks on the show here at WKYC. So if we get anything in the next 20 some odd minutes while we're here, there's anything about the game status. My guess is Denzel Ward could be ruled out today since he hasn't practiced at all, but I'm assuming he's not going to play at this point.


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[Assistant] Thornhill and Delphi, and that's a big loss. But you could survive it because you have two other good corners, and certainly for one week.


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[Assistant] Thornhill and Delpit, this is huge. Alright Mike, let's switch it up. Let's get to, now, we talked about, I just talked about how they've had to win with the defense. Let's say the secondary is ravaged. Let's say Thornhill doesn't play like that. Can the Browns win this game with their offense? If they have to score 20 points, if they have to score 24 or 27, do you have confidence that they can do it with DTR leading the way?


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[Assistant] I think expecting turnovers in this game is a lot to expect because


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[Assistant] You know, in the last bunch of weeks outside of Lamar, the Browns have faced mostly bad quarterbacks. Russell Wilson,


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[Assistant] Doesn't turn the ball over much. Last year it was an anomaly, I think.


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[Assistant] You know, last year I think we all felt like he was falling apart and he had a terrible season. Now, I don't think he's as good as he was in his best of Denver. I mean, excuse me, in Seattle.


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[Assistant] But he's closer to that guy than he was the guy we saw last year. And something that he's always been good at is not turning the ball over.


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson only has four interceptions on the year.


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[Assistant] I mean that's, that's a great number. He's hard to pick off and without Denzel Ward, who's your best interceptor. Right.


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[Assistant] It's hard to rely on a turnover. I mean, you know, you never know because the fumble things happen. But I think going into this game,


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta hope it's a turnover free game for the Browns because I don't have a ton of faith in the Browns forcing a turnover unless Miles Garrett can get a strip sack. I think that's your best hope.


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[Assistant] But I don't, I am not confident the Browns can win a higher scoring game.


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[Assistant] I think, and we'll get to the scores later, but I think for the Browns to win most of their games, it's gotta be a game in the teens or single digits.


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[Assistant] guys is a guy you know I love, Dustin Hopkins. D-Hop. Of course, D-Hop. What a great nickname he's got. Dustin Hopkins has been amazing this year. He's made the kick almost every time they've needed him. He's perfect beyond 50 yards. Denver, we've seen a lot of long field goals in Denver.


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[Assistant] Jason, you talked about it. The Browns are going to have a hard time maintaining drives. So what might we see? We might see a few drives stall out at the Bronco 40. Maybe even the Bronco, you know, 37. Maybe even the 45 and we're trying a 60 plus yard field goal. I think, you talk about, usually when you think of aggressiveness from a head coach, it's on offense. I think,


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[Assistant] Kevin's fancy is going to be aggressive in terms of kicking field goals. I think we could see Dustin Hopkins try a field goal of 60 plus in Denver as long as it's not crazy weather which we'll, we'll check on in a little bit. And I think he'll be the X factor in the Browns getting the victory. Alright, we're going to take a break, but when we come back


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[Assistant] Man, Ohio State Michigan, we got Ivins coming up with that in a little bit. Also, how many points and the Brown score? How many points and we expect in their offense? That's coming up on the PCC Airpoils Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show.


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[Assistant] Alright, welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show here on WKYC. Thank you for joining us. I've got some updates on the Browns at practice. Agbo, Alcoronquo.


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[Assistant] I think I actually pronounced that correct. Close. I don't know. Uh, Agbo not practicing today, guys. He was limited the last two days and he, but he did not practice at all today. Good news on the other hand, Anthony Walker


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[Assistant] Who got hurt, uh, of course, he, and left the game last week, was practicing today. Quickly, I know we weren't planning on talking about, but quick thoughts on Agbo. Not, I mean, two limited practices and then no practice.


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[Assistant] They've just been destroyed. In past years, fans have said, oh, we got hurt more than other teams and I never thought that was true. But this year, it's, the Browns have really taken it. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the question. How aggressive should the Browns be, do you think, with DTR throwing downfield? And how, and do you think?


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[Assistant] I think they have to be more aggressive in this game, and I believe Kevin Kapanski will be. Now part of it's game script, right? If you jump, part of the reason I think the Browns were so not aggressive last week is because they jumped up 10-0 on the Steelers. You don't need to be overly aggressive.


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[Assistant] When it's 10-0 until they had to at the end of the game. If this game is the same thing, if they get off to a 10-0 lead, yeaah, they're gonna play even more conservative.


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[Assistant] Like we saw last week. However, when you look at the fact that the Broncos have very little pass rush, least amount of sacks in the leagues, and like the Steelers big time pass rush, Broncos no pass rush. That would make me think, oh I have time to throw the ball downfield.


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[Assistant] The Steelers, because of Kenny Pickett, turn the ball over. The Broncos, they didn't last week, but generally they have. The Broncos don't turn the ball over. So, A, you should have time to throw because the Broncos don't have a good pass rush.


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[Assistant] So I think Kevin's defense, he's going to realize, and it wouldn't even surprise me if the first offensive play of the game was a long pass down the field. That would not shock me if it happened. I expect the Browns to be very aggressive in this game, not quite to the Baltimore level, but certainly a lot more than they've been because they want to open things up if nothing else for the running game.


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[Assistant] And that should happen if they take a few shots because the Broncos' run defense hasn't been good. Alright, Mikey, what do you got for us?


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[Assistant] Alright, now, coach Tyvis, he's not a coach this time, now he's a predictor. He's a seer of the future. Who will win Ohio State Michigan? Let's send it to Tyvis and our own Mikey McNuggets.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show here on WKYC. It's now time to find out the results of the Browns game before it happens. We start off with Jason with his headline for this week.


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[Assistant] I'm a little more optimistic. Mike, let's hit my headline here.


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[Assistant] I do, I had the Browns winning a low scoring game last week. I got it again this week. History changed again. Newsome picks off Wilson. The secure Cleveland win. I've got the Browns winning this one. 17-13. I had a low scoring game last week. Again this week, guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think the Browns will get it done with defense. I'm glad I picked Newsom and not Denzel Ward because Denzel Ward's probably not going to play in this game. When I say history changed again, it's because the Browns have struggled in Denver.


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[Assistant] Alright, y'all put me out on an island, that's alright. That's right. That's alright. Tyvis picked the Buckeyes to win. G, are you with him?


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[Assistant] It's bad. Ohio State better win. I hope I'm wrong on my prediction, but if I'm right, Ryan Daggott has to be fine.


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[Assistant] You're fired Ryan Day, if you lose to Ohio State, you better win this freaking game. Thanks as always for joining us, have a great weekend, enjoy the football, and we'll see you next time on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Peace!


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[Assistant] Anthony came in, we were finishing up work, and he said, I may know Bree's coming.


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[Assistant] And what's funny is we made G stay after the show today to send me a headline to send me the answers to the segments for tomorrow's show. I said, G, are you good, sir? Are you good? Do you need me to pick you up? He goes, Luke, I got you.


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[Assistant] Ahmad, how you doing? Thanks for joining the Behind the Glass crossover show. This ain't just the Behind the Glass UCSS crossover. This is now Behind the Glass and the official Cavs crossover. Ahmad, this is a little watch party for the Cavs. We're here at Caesars packed house. I mean, this is about a good turnaround you can hope for. For a situation like this.


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[Assistant] Like for example, I sent the rundown last night. I said, gee, I need these answers. He's like, yeah, I got you. I got you, bro. I got you. I got you, dog.


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[Assistant] Miss, offensive rebound, nope, Donovan Mitchell comes down with it.


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[Assistant] Puts up to three misses again, Cavs with the rebound. And Payton Pritchard gets called for the foul. The Monsters are scored behind us, Bull. You hear that noise?


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[Assistant] I'm shooting free throw so I can ask you this question. How would you grade the Max Struths addition to the Cavs so far?


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[Assistant] And Mitchell has not touched a ball yet at this possession, it's all been DG.


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[Assistant] Jalen Brown out, was that Jared Allen he out hustled or was that, was that Struz? I couldn't tell who was.


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[Assistant] I am G Bush and I will tell you, Myles Garrett might be playing, but Denzel Ward being out of this game is a huge factor. Jason?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they've been doing musical chairs with the reps, like Jason said.


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[Assistant] When you need those reps, Joe Flacco needs to knock the rest off. If DTR was here, he still needs the reps to develop.


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[Assistant] So they've been trying to work on these two track things almost for two years now because we had the Jacoby Brissett thing and then Sean Watson came back. And I will say Kevin Stefanski has experience doing that. So it's uncomfortable, but he's showing something to just be safe for it.


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[Assistant] I'm uncomfortable in being comfortable in a certain way of getting guys ready to play in unorthodox situations.


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[Assistant] If it's a one to ten, five being average, I think he just has to be average.


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[Assistant] We look around and you gotta think about it. The Browns have not got stellar quarterback play this year.


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[Assistant] It's not like they're tearing, you know, the cover off the ball or anything or putting major points on the board. All you need Joe Flacco to do is what PJ Walker can't. Don't get sacked.


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[Assistant] Don't turn the ball over, don't get confused. If you can do that, mix some plays in, and consistently move the ball down the field, stay in front of the change, I think they give them opportunity to win.


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson played a pedestrian game, but if you look at the Rams, the Rams got better offensive talent than the Broncos had. Russell Wilson's mobile. He is mobile, he'll get down, but I, I like the Rams.


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[Assistant] You know what Cooper Cup can do. Puka Nakua is, is, uh, fine for them. And Kyron Williams is dynamic. He can catch the ball out of the backfield, screens, and he's a home run hitter. You might not catch him if he breaks out and gets in an open field.


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[Assistant] Nah, you gon' get Willy Wonka today. They gon' throw the ball, running backs might throw the ball, and Joe Flacco is the new quarterback, so that means Kevin Stefanski need to take him on the test drive.


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[Assistant] Well, you look at it, he doesn't have to get that all, you know, in, you know, three, four, five, six carries. The browser has shown.


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[Assistant] That they'll give up 50, 60, even 70 yard runs sometimes when you are playing aggressive defense. And if you do put eight in a box, uhm, one of the unintended consequences of having that many people there is if you miss, if a guy makes you miss his moves, guess what? There's not a lot of guys in the secretary that's gonna tackle him. I think he'll have over 100.


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[Assistant] He drops three TDs on the Rams in a 27-19 win. And I'ma tell you what, get used to seeing Joe Flacco in the center, baby.


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[Assistant] According to Doug Peterson, no, it has nothing to do with Calvin Ridley's ability. It's just sometimes that's the way the game goes.


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[Assistant] Uh, we can agree to disagree with that because when you have a number one receiver, I don't care what the ebb and the flow of the game is, you have to force it to him and find him. But from a stature standpoint, I gotta correct you. He's 6'1", about 190 pounds. He's not very big.


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[Assistant] He's actually built more like a slot guy.


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[Assistant] But, uh, the route running and the speed is what leads folks to think that he, uh, is a little bit bigger, that he can play outside. He's good outside, I don't know if he's great.


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[Assistant] What Anton Harrison did was once he saw that the defensive end was trying to release and go outside, he actually let him go and what the guy did was so, he sold it. He flopped all over the place on the foul. It was too bad that it came down to that. Uh, for, for everything that he did to catch that ball, he dropped one that was just as easy earlier.


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[Assistant] It's a easy sell for Doug Peterson. One, he took a backup quarterback and won the Super Bowl. Two,


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[Assistant] And then when I saw the quarterback wasn't hurting, then the next quarterback went like, okay, win. Well, guess what? I go back now and I hope I didn't put that in red because now I want to erase it because there are no easy wins in the national football league.


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[Assistant] But it looks like he'll be out this week. It's a high ankle sprain with usually high ankle sprain. They say it's worse than a break, but this one, they say he didn't lose any of his stability. So.


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[Assistant] Look, they're game up in the standings, but that's like two games because they own the tiebreakers against everybody. With the last five, if they go three and two,


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[Assistant] One of the other teams has to run the table in order for them to not win the division.


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[Assistant] The same thing that worried me about the offense this past week against Cincinnati, and that is if the defense, to me it's me versus me. If you're not ready to play,


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[Assistant] If you somehow think that this is easy because those guys are not there, it'd be a great mistake. Because one thing Cleveland does still have, I think they still have a healthy offensive line.


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[Assistant] And if the quarterback is mobile and can extend plays long enough, when the Jaguars play man, you got professional hitters over there. Amari Cooper is a guy who has been around long enough to find those creases and areas in that zone where he can sit out.


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[Assistant] David and Joku can do the same thing. So, uh, giving the team confidence, a team that can play through their defense and create certain matchups and situations based on field position and getting on and off the field on third down. Once they get confidence, man, anything can happen. We saw that just the other thought in Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] Arizona the other day. This is the NFL and one thing I have a profound respect for everyone who makes a team, not just the stars, because I know how hard it is to do that. And guys are going to try to beat you every single week, regardless of what their record is.


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[Assistant] It is a big deal. He's steady at it. He's just one of those guys.


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[Assistant] Find the little spots who actually has that little thing with Trevor, like they almost know exactly where the other person is at all times. And anybody that puts up those numbers, even the numbers that he had in Arizona as a number two receiver, he was one catch away for a thousand dollars.


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[Assistant] You start to really listen to the coach speak and the things that coaches say. You talk to scouts and they don't look at it the way fans do. So a thousand yard receiver doesn't mean anything out of context. So I think he's played really, really well and he's more than him and Zay Jones. They both surprised me that they earned their money.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, so I feel two ways about that. One of them is I tried to look at Doug Peterson on face value for what he truly is. And that's a guy that has, has won a Superbowl now.


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[Assistant] The thing that gives you trepidation is no one has ever won a Super Bowl in one place and gone somewhere else in the NFL and won a Super Bowl. So you're sitting there thinking for him to come here, he has to like walk on water and do something that no one else has ever done.


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[Assistant] Uh, in August, his first year, I got a text from a guy who, uh, was a, he's a Power Five coach now, but he used to be a scout in the Jaguars building who had a lot of friends. And he told me, he said, Bobby Petrino. I promise you, those are the two words I got when I text. And I knew what he was talking about. And I said, you're kidding me, right? He says,


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[Assistant] No. Somebody in that building told him Irving wasn't gonna last a whole year.


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[Assistant] And sure enough, it started happening. So when you look at Doug Peterson coming in and taking over that situation,


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[Assistant] But a part of that too is maybe they cheated the grind a little bit because he actually did flip it too quickly and too fast. And that's, that's almost an oxymoron when you think a coach is supposed to win, right? But I'm talking about in terms of our expectations.


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[Assistant] That they missed a little bit only because they were allowed to skip to the front of the line and we'll, we'll just have to see, but they continue to not win games at home.


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[Assistant] Every time they've had a chance to make a statement against a really good team, they've laid an egg.


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[Assistant] Doesn't ATN supposed to be in there? Isn't this their Bryant Westbrook? That's who they, that's who the, you know, they throw the screen passes and all of this stuff. I don't think he's himself right now. And I think he's a little bit banged up. And this is a sign that you really do need a one, two combination in the national football league.


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[Assistant] He takes a lot of hits. He does better this year. Last year, it looked like every, it looked like he had a car accident every single time he got tackled last year with this year.


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[Assistant] He started to run a little bit more behind his pads instead of with his legs and he started to know when he can and can't get a touchdown. So therefore he started to protect himself a little bit better. But now it's like everybody's teeing off on him because that offensive line man, I'm telling you, leaves a lot to be desired. And you guys that have watched or played this game understand this.


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[Assistant] It's the interior three that's given them a problem. What worse can you have than a quarterback or running back that as soon as they get them touched?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like him. I just personally, I gotta tell you this. I have a personal bias against what they call move tight ends because I think a move tight end that isn't an inline blocker kind of.


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[Assistant] It's like knowing what a guy kind of hand he has in poker because that's what it is from a play calling standpoint. He ain't out there to block nobody. So if you're going to have a move tight in the game, why don't you just have another receiver?


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[Assistant] Right. And that's the point. The thing is, is I would love to see them be able to attack the scene in the middle of the field more with a tight end, especially against a base four, three defense where you could get it right over the head of the linebacker, but in between the linebacker and the single high free safety.


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[Assistant] The way George Kittle does, and the way obviously, uh, Kelsey does.


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[Assistant] I really would love to see them have that big, steady, regular six foot four, 250 guy, 250 pound guy that can look like he's blocking and then run right behind the linebackers. You know the play where the quarterback of the opposite team throws at the back of the head of the Mike linebacker who's running down the sink? That's the play that they don't have in their repertoire because I don't think that's the kind of guy


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[Assistant] In terms of how confident that back, I would say no, but then I just saw a dude go 32 for 37. It seemed like that kid was 79 out of 70, a lot out of 80 the other night. So I won't discount a professional. And the one thing that he does have an advantage.


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[Assistant] Uh, with is that he's been in the building now. This is his third year and he's there every day and he understands what he's supposed to.


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[Assistant] And a lot of times this is what I get on our fans about. Everyone thinks it's a play calling issue, play calling. And I say, you know what, coaches spend three hours a game calling plays and half of those are offensive, half of those are on defense. It's been 72 hours planning a game plan. I think the game plan


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[Assistant] Is more important than actually play calling. And I don't know if you guys agree with me, but.


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[Assistant] I just think and I hope that they put him in the right situation and know what his limitations are, but also be willing to take a chance or two so you get some confidence.


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[Assistant] Uh, probably the Atlanta Braves, if you're looking at the Jacksonville natives.


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[Assistant] The whole LeBron crew of people that's gonna come and when he leaves, they're gonna leave. The Lakers, we're too good for that. So we're not into one player, but it's probably the, uh, probably the Magic and the Braves, but I gotta shout out those Heat fans that seem to crawl out of the sewer every time they look like they have a chance to make it to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I think it's gonna be ugly. I'm gonna go 17-16 on the Brandon McManus field goal at the end of the game. I got a quick Cleveland story. Can I tell it?


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[Assistant] Uh, eating, uh, Polish boys and all of that stuff. Yeah. Hanging around Superior and you know, all of that stuff and Drexel and all of that. So I went down to the flats one night and this is back in the nineties when I was a bouncer in a nightclub in DC. And there was a player that played for Cleveland who was from DC and I ran into him. His name was Orlando Brown.


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[Assistant] And we talked and me and Big Zeus hung out. He recognized me and he introduced me to this girl. He said, man, she's trying to, she's a singer. She's breaking into the industry. I'm going to give you a name and number. Please hook it up. Try to promote it when you get back home.


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[Assistant] No, I'll tell you what happened when he passed, unfortunately.


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[Assistant] I know that lady. I was there the night he met her and they were like, you lying. So I finally get to tell that story. I met him at the Flats, at the Mirage Mike club. Everybody's line dancing. Everybody's line dancing at Mirage. I didn't know none of the Cleveland dances, but there's my Orlando Zeus Brown and a Cleveland story.


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[Assistant] I didn't want to really bring it up too much because it's like a tragic situation. But it's just like for me to meet, to know his dad from DC and to meet him when he met, you know, he was there meeting the mom who could sing.


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[Assistant] And then I was just like, when he passed, she was on TV with a lawsuit about, you know, him not being able to lift weights. And I was like, this can't be the same person. And as soon as her picture popped up, I was like, whoa.


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[Assistant] I'm with Bull. I don't think they're a good team at all. They've, they've defensively, they've been better. They've been, they've been forcing turnovers the last few weeks.


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[Assistant] I forget then, I think it's 11 over the last three games or something like that. They've, they've done a nice job of generating turnovers and obviously that's been a problem for the Browns at times this year is giving defenses a short field or giving opponents a short field. So that's one concern.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So that's, that's the one thing that could level this out. But if the Browns play a clean game and hold on to the football, I don't have a lot of faith in Justin Fields. I haven't. He hasn't really shown a ton.


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[Assistant] I think he's probably getting traded this offseason. Interesting. I would think.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he's a guy that may benefit from a fresh start elsewhere, although I don't know if Pittsburgh is really the answer, if that's really going to do a lot for you. We'll see how they overhaul the offense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would go even farther and maybe say three and three and the rest in the middle.


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[Assistant] The injury is a concern with Amari and I still think the drops are tied to that because I think he's protecting the ribs. I think his ribs are still bothering him because he's had a couple of drops that. Uncharacteristic. Yeaah, those are balls that he doesn't normally drop but I think he's trying to protect the ribs.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Yeaah. But I still like his route running, his footwork. Those are the types of things that can offset elite corners. I think just because of they find ways to get open. So I'm still going to give Amari the edge even with the injury.


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[Assistant] Partly because I have to agree with Bull, we haven't seen a ton of the Bears.


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[Assistant] It's hard for me to say. I know Johnson's in a contract here. He's playing for a contract. And I also don't put as much stock in PFF as everybody else does. It's a, it's a tool and it's nice to have and it helps with linemen and things. But I've talked to enough players who are like, they don't know what we're trying to accomplish. Enough players dismiss PFF that it's hard for me to totally buy into it.


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[Assistant] So for that reason and going off my eye test, I'm still going to give the edge to a Mari.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, if you look at the way the game has evolved, the receivers become really important over the last 15 years.


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[Assistant] But I think that it's because of how late they are in the season. Otherwise, it's hardly anything. Like when you break it down to the league minimum.


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[Assistant] He only gets paid per game, so what do we got, 4 games left? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] So it's a way to sort of juice the, the money. So he gets an extra, an extra 75 grand for every regular season win. And then you see it there as it goes throughout the playoffs. But I've, you know, I was talking to some people last night at the event. It's like, no, he's, it's not, you have to win to get paid. It's not like that's a.


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[Assistant] But here's where I would push back. So you're just gonna give an extra 4 million to


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco or 5 million, but the pool is still limited. It's like there's still the same number of competent backups and then every, so there's not like there's magically going to be five or six or seven or eight new quarterbacks that are suddenly going to be worth seven or eight million dollars.


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[Assistant] But they, but they didn't lowball them, they just said go away.


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[Assistant] That's the part that nobody's paying attention to. The Browns have their long-term backup quarterback. You may not want to hear it, it's DTR.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm not going to put, how much higher do you want to put Aiden O'Connell?


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[Assistant] I'd rather have Zach Wilson than Josh Dobbs. Or I'd rather have Dobbs than Zach Wilson. Would you? Yes!


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[Assistant] He's getting better than structure's going up. I'm going levis at five. I would go browning. I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] First of all, I love Mikey's stat pack. Don't make it sound like I'm over here falling asleep. He does an unbelievable job of this every week. But like you say also, there's, there's layers to this, right? Like there's a difference in cover zero and bringing one extra man. Right. Yeah. So yeah. And we saw how a cover zero can bust easily last week.


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[Assistant] When the Jaguars brought a jailbreak blitz and Flacco picked it apart like that. So there's a difference in bringing one extra guy and bringing everybody. So it's just. That's a good point. Yeaah. I just think when you say blitz.


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[Assistant] I'm going to be useless for the next 38 minutes because Garrett Bush just said Stefanski should run to the front office and demand another contract.


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[Assistant] But Hugh Jackson, you are correct with the Raiders. But it's happened since then. I would think.


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[Assistant] He has 80 yards in the first quarter. 95 yards in the second quarter.


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[Assistant] Let's just for the sake of this pretend Joe Flacco will be the brown starter against the Rams. What do you guys envision or imagine a Joe Flacco-led offense with Kevin Stefanski calling the plays look like? Is it completely different than DTR?


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[Assistant] Does it go back to the Brissette playbook? What do you guys think this offense looks like if Joe Flacco is under center against Los Angeles?


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[Assistant] Against the Browns last season, Joe Flacco threw for 307 yards, 4 touchdowns, and no interception.


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[Assistant] So that was week 2 in week 3, Jay. Oh, this is this, you hold on, let me get to last year's schedule.


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[Assistant] In week one, he threw for 300 yards, but he threw two interceptions, no touchdowns. In week one, they lost to Baltimore 300 yards on 60 attempts, one touchdown, one interception.


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[Assistant] Uh, nine games. Yep. And he's played 21. So he's played in 21 games. He has six touchdowns, 16 interceptions. He's completing 52% of his passes. And his rushing numbers, when you add in the fumbles, he has eight fumbles. He's lost six of them. So he has six touchdowns.


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[Assistant] The dude from Minnesota? The one who dozed. Yes, yes. Oh yeah. Jesus christmas. Did anybody watch the Florida game?


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[Assistant] Oh goodness gracious. This dude.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna give you a player, and before I show you what PFF graded them, I wanna know what you would've graded said player. These are only major guys, no-


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[Assistant] What would you guys give JOK for his performance against the Denver Broncos?


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[Assistant] Well, G-Bush, you're in luck, cause yes, we uncoached Tyvis on Friday.


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[Assistant] Breaking down J.O.K. and how he did exactly what you just said. Got skinny and avoided a couple blocks to make some plays in the back.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get to our next PFF grade. Let's do DTR. Okay. What would you grade DTR for his performance against the Denver Broncos? Me personally. You personally, and we'll see who's closest to who, to what PFF actually


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[Assistant] Next, Mike. Next up is Cedric Tillman. The rookie made his first legitimate appearance for the Browns this season. Couple catches, 55 yards. How would you grade the rookie? A 72, Tyvis a 79.8, J 172.


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[Assistant] One of you guys is going to be the closest. I'm doing the mental math and we have a new winner here. Jay Crawford's the closest.


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[Assistant] I will tell you this, every Browns player we've had on, I said they'll come back. We've had Greg on three times now, and every time he comes on, he's just as much fun as I have doing, so.


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[Assistant] Then he's been a healthy scratch two games this year. Okay. Well, the game log says he's only played nine games. I don't remember him being hurt and missing time with an injury. So my educated guess is actually don't nine targets in nine games.


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[Assistant] Let's do the next one and see if it comes to your bowl. How about Myles Garrett, playing with a hurt shoulder for part of the game. What would you grade Myles Garrett for his performance against Denver?


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[Assistant] Alright, we have one more before we bring in Mary Kay, who's gonna join us from L.A., but this, uh, this next one comes from Kyle Brenner, Kyle Brenner. You guys gotta grade the drip here. Let's see, tag board fold. Grade the drip on bold walking outfit coming into the stage the other day.


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[Assistant] We're gonna bring Bernie in in a few minutes, but first, Josh Dobbs against Chicago yesterday was something. I'll just leave it at that.


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[Assistant] So visit FanDuel.com slash UCSS to kick off the NFL season. That is FanDuel.com slash UCSS, an official partner of the NFL, FanDuel official partner of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. And before we bring Bernie on, we want to give a shout out to Kevin Hoyt of the Southern California Browns Backers Club for hosting Bernie in LA this week.


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[Assistant] So Bernie, welcome and shout out Kevin Hoyt for being a good Browns fan and welcoming Bernie to the party on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Just a couple super chats today. The first one comes from Kyle Brenner says, what's up guys? Love the show. It's time for the Browns to look into replacing Chad O'Shea with the new wide receiver coach. I assume he's been a big part in picking the talent. I'm not sure how much is a position. I'm not sure.


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[Assistant] Alright, next one comes from Simple. Should the Browns make a play for Jarvis Landrieu? Yes or no? Oh, stop.


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[Assistant] You know, we're going to talk a lot about Joe Flacco today, but I just want to take a minute and tell you why I love the Flacco story so much. And it really sort of taught me a lesson in all of this because


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[Assistant] He didn't retire. He wasn't asked to come back.


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[Assistant] And so I think this really means something to him because he got thrown out of the club before he was ready. And so he was, he said yesterday, like, listen, I'm not great with words.


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[Assistant] But like this is very meaningful to me because he's getting the walk up 18 now that he wasn't, he didn't get before. He didn't get a watch. He didn't get a cake.


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[Assistant] He was told you're not good enough, and that's just not true. And too many times when guys are out of the league, you know, I've made the comment of, well, they're out for a reason, and that's not necessarily true.


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[Assistant] And I'm still going to stand by Kareem's on three wheels, but he has been a contributor to this team. He's filled a role, a very important necessary role to this team. He's not the Kareem Hunt.


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[Assistant] of the Kansas City days and even the early Cleveland days. And that's the point I was trying to make with that. And that's still true, but he's still holding a valuable role in this team. And now Flacco is as well. The touchdown leader, and Joe's going to wind up leading this team in passing, by the way. He's about 600 yards to go. So the leading passer and the leading scorer in touchdowns both started the season on their couch.


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[Assistant] And they were given another opportunity, taking full advantage of it. So it's cool to see guys like that.


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[Assistant] And, and get another run. And the Browns, it doesn't matter who's on the field, they always believe that they have enough. And that's an important culture tone that Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski set this year of, you know, they made the comment that like Ronnie Hickman is a, is a rookie.


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[Assistant] And, and Cam Mitchell's a rookie and Kevin said, we don't have any rookies anymore. Like it was week 14. There's no such thing as a rookie. And if you're the next man up, you're expected to perform and produce. And, and this is why that they're there because of all the injuries and they, they keep finding guys like Flacco, Kareem Hunt, Cam Mitchell, Ronnie Hickman, and they keep


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[Assistant] Well, I was surprised because I was looking at some of the advanced numbers in the last two weeks, his advanced metrics. I know we don't care about it because on the eye test he's playing well and they're winning. The advanced metrics don't like him and I think it's the incompletions, the interceptions, the fumble, the fumble was on him yesterday. I was talking to a couple of guys who felt like


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[Assistant] You know, they, and they call it a great blitz and they, and the Browns didn't know if guys protect over there and Joe has to recognize that and get the ball out a little bit faster. So the, the fumble was on him. And so I think that's what dings him for on the, on the analytics side and the advanced that side, EPA and all that stuff.


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[Assistant] But the eye test is he's a confident quarterback and Kevin Stefanski has full faith in him because he knows the ball's gonna go to the right spot. You'd give him an A? Yea, I'd give him an A.


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[Assistant] And it does, it feels like, at least I'm holding my breath like, okay.


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[Assistant] Is the, is the final grains of sand gonna fall through the hourglass? But to this point, he's given the best quarterback, the most consistent quarterback play.


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[Assistant] Of anyone. I know it's only two games. But again, Kevin knows where the ball's going and you, you know, you kind of laugh and say, well yeah, he's our starter. No, you don't understand. Kevin Stefanski won't confirm what day of the week it is. And he said he hitched his horse to Joe Flacco for the rest of the season. Which is why I think it was such a no brainer.


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[Assistant] If you're on the record, you can call him up right now and say, Kevin, it's today Monday and he'll say, I'll check back. We'll check back.


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[Assistant] Real quick, the touchdown pass to David Bell, you know, we talked about it last week. I liken it to the goal line touchdown when he was with the Jets last year and they were in here when he read Grant up, it was a long spot. He read the zero blitz, he knew that it was open, he shaded just a little bit to the right and made the big throw.


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[Assistant] He had that grip strength to hold onto the ball, the ability to stay on his feet, and I know exactly what you're talking about. So he can move enough to keep himself alive. You're not going to be calling, you know, quarterback rollouts with him very often, but he can, he can keep plays alive at least and keep moving. He can move back.


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[Assistant] I would like to go back to that Sype game and see those throws. And this is to take nothing away from Joe. These dudes are wide open. Wide open. And it's not that he's throwing these great passes 30 and 40 yards. No he's not. It's simple plays that are turning into home runs because there ain't nobody around.


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[Assistant] Love him. They, they, you know, the guys I talked to thought he, I think everyone's surprised by this. No one really knew what to expect. No one knew what he had left. And he's just sort of come in and taken everything by storm. And, uh, you know, I was, I was talking to one guy, we were talking about Trevor Lawrence earlier who said there ain't no way that's a high ankle sprain. I don't know what he had, but,


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[Assistant] This guy was talking, he was like, I've had high ankle sprains. You can't move like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. So, but in terms of, I just popped into my head, but in terms of how they responded to Flacco, again, it goes back to they feel like they know where the ball's gonna be. They know the ball's gonna be in the right spot. And it's gonna be on time and on target. He's gonna get it out quick for the most part. He had the fumble when he needed to get out a little bit faster. And even Flacco said that. He said, you know, with the touchdown pass, he felt like,


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[Assistant] He felt it coming and he knew to shift to the right and make the throw. He said, but as soon as I say that, you know, I got blitz from the right side and lost the ball when it was right there in front of me. So.


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[Assistant] You know, there's still kinks to work out. The more reps he gets, the better he's going to be. We can talk about practice reps and all that and how important they are. And I expect him, I expect him to continue to play at this level. I think he can.


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[Assistant] But again, you're just sort of holding your breath and going, boy, I hope this lasts, I hope this lasts. I don't know how many magic beans are left in the pocket, but to this point, he's just been terrific.


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[Assistant] But hey, look at, look at all the playoff teams, the AFC and NFC, every team in the playoffs that the Browns have played, they've beaten every team. Now they lost to Baltimore, they lost to Pittsburgh, but they also beat Baltimore and Pittsburgh, they beat San Francisco, they beat, uh, Jacksonville. So every team right now that's in a playoff spot, the Browns have beaten them this year.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you want Browning's playing, I don't want Cincinnati. If you, if you want to look at the, the scatter charts of, of EPA, Buffalo might be the best team in the AFC and they're not.


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[Assistant] Oh no, I said, the fans, our fans on the text were going nuts because I said, that's it, game over. It was like, you can't say that. I said, yes, I can. I felt like this game is over.


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[Assistant] No, a couple things on the defense. One, I thought it was, I texted this with our subscribers, I thought it was a major tell on third and inches from their own 15, they took the deep shot. That's when Newsom had the pick. Because they knew we can't move the ball. That's why I thought the defense was playing well. They got the scores on the short fields, but otherwise, until late in the game, Jacksonville


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[Assistant] To me, it didn't feel like they could move the ball on the Browns, which is why they took that ridiculous deep shot. Third in inches. And you can't go for it on fourth down when you're on your own 15. If you don't get it there, you have to punt.


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[Assistant] And yet they still took that massive deep shot. And for the Browns defense to respond the way, like we all thought, I had Denzel Ward as my most important player. We all thought Denzel was going to play. And then Denzel again is inactive.


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[Assistant] I was told that it's just a medical issue. They can't get them cleared because it's a range of motion issue in the shoulder. And obviously as a cornerback, you gotta be able to move your shoulder. So I don't, I don't know with him. I don't know. I would hope to see him next week, but.


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[Assistant] This has obviously been a slow recovery and then Juan Thornhill tweaks his calf again pregame. That was a total surprise. And you know, minutes before the game, now he's scratched and can't go.


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[Assistant] And, and yet they continue to pivot and they continue to adjust. So just a terrific job by the defense. No matter who's out there, they keep finding ways to get it done. Good news next week, the Bears are not alone.


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[Assistant] No, he's got a point. Absolutely he's got a point. He's probably held on almost every play. And I, you know, he mentioned the hack of Shaq and it's funny cause, you know, when I was covering the NBA, they would talk about like LeBron and Shaq would get fouled every time they were in the paint, but they're not going to call it every time. And I'm sure it's the same thing.


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[Assistant] Well, he wants to, but in miles it's the same way. Like I'm sure they're telling these guys, just hold them, hold them, grab them, do whatever we have to do. They're not going to call it every time. They may get you once in a while, but they're not going to call it on every play.


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[Assistant] And the definition of the picture is better. The slow motion is better. And it's great for getting calls, right, if you can challenge and everything, but it makes the officiating and real, I mean, these guys have to make calls like that. And it's until you're on the field, it is unbelievable how fast these guys are moving. It's incredible. I think it's done.


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[Assistant] I honestly, I think he's good for 12 carries, 12-15 carries.


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[Assistant] You know, when we talk short yardage, you guys scream and holler about why are they throwing it. I actually, I think that they've gotten this thing to the point now.


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[Assistant] Where defenses have no idea what they're gonna do in short yardage, which was the whole point of this. We saw it on the big touchdown throw.


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[Assistant] In short yardage, I think they're incredibly dangerous because defenses have no idea what they're going to call on third and one. I think it's a great spot to be in.


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[Assistant] Well I do think, I think two things can be true. I think he'd rather throw it than run it and I think he's probably getting pressure to do that as well. But I think he's probably in alignment with it. Now maybe there's instances where he'd rather run it and is being told no throw it. But I, but his nature is very much to throw the football.


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[Assistant] Like, we've been talking about it. I've been saying it for weeks. Right now, the Browns offense is heavy sets, screen passes, play action, deep shots on third down. That's exactly what the opening drive was. To a T. That's what that real quick. Zach just sent me, Zach Jackson just sent me this tweet. I have to read it. It's kind of funny. And this could be a whole other thing that we can worry about on Not a Victory Monday.


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[Assistant] The Browns paid Deshaun Watson $6.5 million per touchdown pass. So far they're paying Joe Flacco $37,000 per touchdown pass.


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[Assistant] I was actually looking, I was trying to figure out tiebreaker scenarios. The Ravens have it right now. They would still have it because of, uh. Right now it's common opponents. Right. And the Ravens, now they've beaten the Rams, uh, they lost to the Colts, I think, that the Braves have.


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[Assistant] I feel position wise. Crochet had the one bad game otherwise. He's been okay. Just catch it. Just catch it. Secure the ball and fall down.


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[Assistant] No, there's no way he's making his 55 yard field ball. I knew he was hitting that. I was like, I'm glad you did. I did not. I was going to say like, I'm ready to anoint him now after that kick.


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[Assistant] It's like cutting. And Hopkins has the mentality of like, you know what, if the worst happens and I get cut, I'm okay. He's house money.


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[Assistant] Well he's doing it in elements too. 8 of 8 from 50 plus to kick in December in Cleveland for 55 right down the middle.


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[Assistant] She didn't clarify it. It's hard to say because in a tweet in that moment you're just trying to get the news out. So there probably is some ambiguity there in terms of, I mean, how many weeks will we have? Five weeks? Four weeks?


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[Assistant] Absolutely he could play. I don't know. Even if he scoped, that's a month.


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[Assistant] Uh, TBD on, this is from Zach, TBD on Delpit and Thornhill, no update on Jerome Ford, which is probably positive. So even though he left with his hand heavily wrapped, looks like maybe Ford would be ready to go. But Delpit and Thornhill, I forgot about Delpit, left with the groin.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I think the JJ3 contract was around, around this number. I was just trying to look it up real quick, but I think he was around 12, 13 million when they signed him. That was a disaster. But that was the top rate safety. That's what they got. And I think Thornhill was seven.


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[Assistant] So they got less on that deal, but I mean, this is the going rate for top safeties. Is he one of the elite safeties? He's not, he's not elite. It's sort of like, I'm thinking like this through in real time. It sort of feels like the Nijoku deal of you're being paid like elite, even though you're not elite, but you're above average, but it keeps you in-house.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree with that. I want these moving parts to slow down. It's gonna come a point where they're gonna have some hard decisions to make.


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[Assistant] And who do you keep and, and they're gonna, there's gonna come a point where you gotta move on from guys. Isn't that the point? Well, they can redo the Deshaun deal next year and they can kick more of the money down the road, but it's setting up for a calamity. At some point. The Conklin deal is a disaster. The Conklin deal is a mess. Killer. And I don't know, you know.


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[Assistant] You're just gonna have to eat that, I think. That's crazy. Because now you got Dillan Jones in there, and he's probably starting to write Tackle next year, so I don't... Unless they move on from Jed. They already signed his 50-year deal.


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[Assistant] I don't know. They've got some, but it's gonna come a point where they're gonna run out of magic beans.


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[Assistant] Well, but, but they redid both of those guys. And once you redo a deal, it's harder to move on. They redid Teller and Betonio. So it makes it harder to move on from those guys.


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[Assistant] It's what you do between now and then. Matt Ryan cost 45 million on the Falcons cap when he was playing for the Colts. Brady's costing 40 million on the Bucks cap this year and he's retired.


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[Assistant] So there comes a point where it ends badly. It always does. It's what you do between now and then and that we can have that discussion another day.


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[Assistant] So eventually, that's why I'm saying eventually, I mean, you can get lucky and find a Brock Purdy, I guess, but that's just getting lucky.


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[Assistant] Not because- So you think that there will never be a day of reckoning for this contract?


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[Assistant] I think, I think we are evolving into, and the cap's going way up next year also.


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[Assistant] These massive quarterback contracts are still relatively new to where


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[Assistant] We're not sure the impact of bad deal we'll have moving forward. Kind of, yes, but there's always teams, there's always guys, I mean, the Chiefs lost Tyreek Hill. I don't know if that was necessarily a cap thing specifically, but there's always instances of teams having to move on from players. No, Hill wasn't capped yet. There's always instances of teams moving on from players that they'd like to keep, but they can't. Sure, they could have signed Tyreek Hill.


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[Assistant] In terms of, like, the two names that are in top of mind are Matt Ryan and Tom Brady, because that's how I just wrote the story a couple weeks ago. Right. But when you have a 40 million dollar hole in your salary cap, it's going to affect your team. What is his hit next year? It's Sean? Yea. Right now it's 64 million.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Atlanta did that. Atlanta restructured Ryan one too many times probably and put too much money at the end and that's what came up to get him. Philly is one, if you want to use an example, Philly is one team that keeps restructuring deals but they keep restructuring the right deals. That's right. And so they managed to like, to navigate


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So it's efficiency at that position too. In Philly, going back to Philly, it's Jalen Hurts. You find Jalen Hurts in the third round. So that helps, that helps your cause.


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[Assistant] We're, we're evolving with these monster quarterback teams.


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[Assistant] It is. And that's why the Browns were comfortable doing this deal in part because the cap was going to go up. It's a massive spike. I don't have the numbers in front of me.


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[Assistant] It didn't get the ring. Which is why it's all...


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[Assistant] Dependent on what you do between now and then. It will come a day where you're in a mess with the cap. If you do other things wrong, it will eventually get you.


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[Assistant] It's funny, real quick, I saw, I was looking for something, I saw a clip from last year, where we were talking about Kevin, and I said, it's, this is what I like about him, it's this, and a building that is always high and low, ownership that's nuts, he's always like this, and that's proven.


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[Assistant] This year, it's, it's no matter who's in, no matter who's out, it's just like this.


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[Assistant] A lot of times people think of holidays as these cheerful, uh,


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[Assistant] days and time of year where we get together with our family and we eat and we share gifts and presents.


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[Assistant] Jay, I'm Adam the Bull, and I gotta tell ya, I think, I don't believe in must games normally in the middle of the season, but this is a gotta have it against the Steelers. If the Browns don't win this game, I think they're in trouble for making the playoffs. If they do win it, I think they're in great shape to make the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I certainly think he can play better than Kenny Pickett, and I don't have a ton of high hopes for DTR, but I don't think Kenny Pickett's very good. Now, he, Kenny Pickett's got a lot more experience, and


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[Assistant] I would argue that Kenny Pickett, because of all the injuries the Browns have sustained, probably has a little more talent around him on offense than the Browns do at the moment, although it's close. But yeaah, I think DTR could have a better game, but if I had to bet who has the better game, I'd probably bet on Pickett, but not by much.


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[Assistant] The defense has played incredible football at home. And that's the difference. The offense hasn't been that great.


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[Assistant] Okay, this happened mid-game. Look what happened to the Bengals when Joe Burrow got hurt last night, right? They cratered. The whole team cratered. They did. After Burrow got hurt.


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[Assistant] It's easy to fall apart when your quarterback


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[Assistant] It gets hurt, especially for the year. Bangalore has even no borough status. We know that Deshaun Watson is out for the year.


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[Assistant] No matter how you want to spin it, it's a big deal. But it doesn't have to be the end of the road. Other guys know they have to step up. The defense has to do a ton.


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[Assistant] Jim Schwartz made a great point yesterday, he said, hey, we can't try to do too much, that's when we get in trouble. They've just gotta keep being great, and, and, and, and I feel like,


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[Assistant] I do feel like the Browns are going to win a very low scoring game this week.


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[Assistant] If they can win, it puts them in great position to make the playoff.


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[Assistant] If you lose this game again to the Steelers...


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[Assistant] Then maybe some of the doubts with Watson being out.


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[Assistant] I think they can win with even Minimowski as G would say numbers. If the defense plays great and he doesn't turn it over. I think that the, listen, this team has played with a lot of heart, a lot of toughness, a lot of energy. Even if they lose, I don't believe they're going to fall apart. But is enough tough games the rest of the schedule?


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[Assistant] That I'm worried about their chances of making the playoffs if they lose this game.


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[Assistant] I think the Wands gonna play, I think the Browns, I don't think the Steelers are gonna throw the ball a ton, but I think they'll throw more than the Browns will. And the Steelers are more likely to throw deep, giving an opportunity for Garrett, cause they got, you know, the guys that can get down the field a little bit. I'd be shocked if the Browns threw deep much in this game.


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[Assistant] One of the teams getting into double digits. Yea, my final score is 19 points total, so.


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[Assistant] Yes, I've been saying all week, a low scoring game, I have the Browns pulling it out. Next man up.


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[Assistant] DTR's QB sneak in the fourth, I think in the fourth quarter, I didn't put it there, leads Browns to a 10-9 win over the Steelers. It'll be the only touchdown in the game. DTR over the top in the fourth quarter to give the Browns a 10-9 win.


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[Assistant] In the words of one of our very smart producers, Earl, on the next episode of The Cleveland Rocks. It's a disaster.


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[Assistant] So here we go. You hate to see it. Six and three. We were talking yesterday about home field advantage. You've got the biggest game coming up on Sunday when they host the Steelers and Deshaun Watson's season.


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[Assistant] We told you yesterday about the MRI on his ankle.


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[Assistant] And from what we're told, this is a completely different injury from what he suffered earlier in the season. The microfracture tear to the, uh, to the rotator cuff. This is a displaced fracture to the glenoid bone.


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[Assistant] And let's go right to Mikey McNuggets for an exact description of what the hell that is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Andrew Berry was very clear. That was a question that was posed to him during the news conference. Did this have anything to do? Was this a result of him playing hurt? It was a clear and definitive no, we have to take them at their word. We certainly didn't examine his shoulder. We have to take the team at their word when they tell us that makes perfect sense.


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[Assistant] Mike, you believe you have found the play in which the injury occurred.


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[Assistant] We do Jake. Andrew Berry said sometime in the second quarter we think we have.


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[Assistant] In the last couple of years, shoot me up, I can get through this. Clearly not.


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[Assistant] Just so people know we're not missing the news this is. No, I'm glad that that's out there. Jordan Schultz, great job. Uh, I think that's the right play. Absolutely. We've, we've seen enough of PJ with one touchdown.


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[Assistant] I may start finally believing that there are curses. This is crazy. Well, from the chapter that, you know, we can't have nice things, there's every, it seems like...


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[Assistant] The trajectory of a Browns fan, really a Cleveland sports fan, is you get taken to the brink of euphoria. And then the floor drops and then you fall to the depths of the valleys of the lowest low that a fan can feel. And I honestly feel in the last 48 to 72 hours,


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[Assistant] That is the cycle that Brown's fans have gone through. When I walked in, you immediately looked at me and said, you look crushed. And I said, no, I'm built for this.


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[Assistant] Brown's fans are, we're used to this. If there's one thing that Brown's fans know, it's adversity. Yea, but you're still crushed. How could you not be crushed? No, listen, it's very, very defeating. Very defeating. In reality,


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[Assistant] We weren't the favorites to win the Super Bowl, guys. No. We saw that we had a chance.


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[Assistant] Yes, it's disappointing. But, and by the way, Andrew Berry must have grown up on Mulberry Street.


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[Assistant] Well, we view this as an incredible opportunity. No, this is not an incredible opportunity.


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[Assistant] This is the scene from the office that's the meme where everybody's running around saying it's happening and there's panic.


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[Assistant] I hope someone's reaching for a phone right now and making phone calls and they said they're going to get a backup quarterback in here. But this nonsense that he kept repeating.


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[Assistant] That are able to play, have one touchdown and eight interceptions. Now granted, I dealt away a guy who currently has 11 touchdowns and five interceptions. There's not a person on the planet who would ever say that. I know we won't. I know we won't. Nobody would. But you have to come up to this conclusion. What we have isn't enough. Of course it's not, but I'm not going to say that.


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[Assistant] No, obviously, you can't tell me you like that room. Because if you do, then I have to judge your assessment of talent. Now look. You looking too deep in too.


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[Assistant] We're not nine and one here. That's irrelevant. We're six and three.


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[Assistant] If you're honest with yourself. Yes. And you're handicapping the teams and the chances that they have of winning the Super Bowl in the AFC. Where were the Browns yesterday? If you're handicapping them, are they one? I had them two in the AFC.


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[Assistant] They were tenth. Okay. So again, Bull, it's, it's, I just don't think that it was.


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[Assistant] So there's only five teams in that party. Five or six. And the Browns were one of them. Well that's a third of the AFC.


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[Assistant] There's another reason why the sky hasn't fallen.


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[Assistant] And how did he play? Garbage. And who won the game? The Browns.


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[Assistant] So, we've done it against the NFL's elite.


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[Assistant] Why can't we do it against the rest of the sca-


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[Assistant] The combined quarterback numbers of the two quarterbacks on the Browns roster.


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[Assistant] One touchdown, eight interceptions. Josh Dobbs has thrown for two different teams in two different offenses with two coordinators and a different set of wide receivers, 11 touchdowns, five interceptions. The judgment that was made by the Cleveland Browns


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[Assistant] After training camp was over, that DTR was a qualified backup and they could move on from Josh Dobbs is coming back to bite him. Especially because they didn't, you know, listen, every team with a high paid quarterback


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[Assistant] Has a, let me just finish, has, has a low paid backup, without exception. There's no team with a highly paid quarterback that has a high paid backup.


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[Assistant] But Joshua Dobbs is only making 2 million. There are plenty of backups on good teams with a 2 million dollar backup. I'm not asking them to have an 8 million dollar backup, but...


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[Assistant] A $2 million backup was reasonable at the time. I don't think it was done for money. It clearly wasn't. There's very little difference between he and DTR. At the time, none of us thought anything of it, but that's not our job. Our job is not to be the general manager of the football team.


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[Assistant] And you drive it off the lot without insurance, and a semi-truck comes and t-bones you?


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[Assistant] That's on you. That's your loss. But I actually have a bigger beef with them. My bigger beef is not even trading Josh Dobbs. I agree. It's that they didn't address it at the deadline once Watson wasn't coming. Because then they knew what the issue was. Exactly.


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[Assistant] And that's completely fair. His first mistake was letting Dobbs go. He compounded that mistake when he didn't get a quality backup quarterback in here five weeks ago.


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[Assistant] And let's each give a name of who we're bringing in here. Bull, you can start. Who you calling?


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[Assistant] What better way to bookend your seven Super Bowls? How many is it? Is it one?


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[Assistant] Which I think is the assumption. Which one's more likely to say yes, I think Matt Ryan. I do too. Then I'm going completely outside the box. Okay. I'm looking for a guy who at least was, may still be a great athlete.


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[Assistant] I look at Cam Newton. I look at Cam Newton. Now who's the one call you're making?


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[Assistant] So, so we'll all have Tom Brady. My number two would be Nick Foles. Then your, I guess your number two. Why Nick Foles over Matt Ryan? Because in the, in the world of fairy tales and Oldberry Street where they're living, this guy did it six years ago. Now for whatever reason, Nick Foles and his career was just a great backup.


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[Assistant] It's called Who's the Quarterback. Yeah. And you bring, now who would, I would watch this every episode. Yeah. You bring in Colin Kaepernick. Yeah. Cam Newton. Yes. Nick Foles. Yes. Uh, all of these names that we've. Philip Rivers. RG3. And each day.


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[Assistant] This is an insurance policy that they didn't have with Deshaun Watson. That's right. So in other words, and by the way, you made the decision three months ago that Josh Dobbs was not needed because DTR was that advantageous. Now you threw him into a fire


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[Assistant] Rolled in gasoline with no clothes on. And when he exploded, you were like,


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[Assistant] Didn't see that coming. It's a tricky spot. Now give him, he's got the whole week as a runway to Sunday. He's the starting quarterback. It's a very tricky spot.


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[Assistant] No, gee, there will be a quarterback on the roster by Friday. Like they're going to do, they're going to take their time, but they're, someone has to be on the roster by Friday because you, you need three quarterbacks. As you said, as we've said many times, there are levels. There's three possibilities.


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[Assistant] They're going to add in the worst possibility is the Kellen Mondai. A guy who's been around. He's PJ Walker with a couple of us games playing.


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[Assistant] The second option is another unproven guy with upside. Like a Malik Cunningham of the Patriots who put up ridiculous rushing and passing numbers in college. But why isn't he starting in New England? Their quarterback play has been.


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[Assistant] However, the Browns had the answer to that, not in Jacobi Percept, because he was gonna cost too much money. Right. Josh Dobbs was sitting here. I had said on this show, maybe two months ago, when the Watson thing came out, I made a quote, I said,


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[Assistant] Brought the Browns into this season woefully underprepared. And I was killed for that. Did not go over well.


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[Assistant] But, let's just revisit that for a second. How much better do you feel


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[Assistant] If he would kept the two million dollar backup in Josh Dobs, who by the way, is trying to pilot Minnesota. He's...


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[Assistant] That's why I'm not crushed. Exactly what he just said.


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[Assistant] I'm crushed for him. I'm crushed for him. But look, this fan base has faced worse. Here's the issue. And you're right, G. Bush, if they play that game ten times against San Francisco, Cleveland wins one or two with P.J. Walker. But they did it, and they did it because of the spirit that Leroy is talking about. This team has something special.


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[Assistant] And is it gonna be easy? Of course not. It's gonna be way more difficult. But...


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[Assistant] WRECK! That's the point! Let me answer your question.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying it's going to be easy. There's no easy solution out there. But what I would do if I was the Browns, knowing that PJ Walker is not an NFL quarterback, DTR's a rookie, we don't know what he is, I would say I'm scouring whatever's left


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[Assistant] Somebody had to put him behind him. And Matt Ryan's 38. Let's not talk about him like he's Brady's age.


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[Assistant] In a battle of six and threes against an offensively challenged football team.


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[Assistant] Well, there's dissent. Like we all, I guess now Typhus is saying that's what he would do too.


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[Assistant] When you were with Seattle, let's say the same situation was here. You had Russell Wilson, your backups were DTR and PJ Walton.


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[Assistant] Was put in a perfect, as perfect a situation as he can be in that situation. Yes, but there have been other players drafted much higher than him play their first NFL football with similar rosters that didn't do that.


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[Assistant] percentage-wise yesterday of getting to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Six. I would say about like, will you stop? Six. Six percent. But now look, let me just do the mathematical equation for you. Six percent is exactly your chances of picking one out of sixteen randomly. What are you, a math whiz? I am. Alright, let me ask you. And listen, I don't like the fact that I am, but I am.


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[Assistant] The court, no team has ever won a Super Bowl with a quarterback this bad, ever. Never. You could look at Trent Dilfer, you could look at Jim McMahon, none of them with this bad. Well Miami won a Super Bowl in their undefeated season with Earl Morrill.


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[Assistant] There's no skill to that. You have a 6% chance of randomly picking the right one. No, but that doesn't work that way. What are you talking about? It's not a random pick. That would mean every team has the same amount of chances. Bull, that's point one of my, where I'm going with this. So if all things are equal and you're just gonna select one of 16. Right.


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[Assistant] Randomly. No luck or no skill. It's just, it's under one of them. You've got a 6% chance.


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[Assistant] Which we all agree, mathematically, it's 6 point something percent. That you're gonna pick the one out of 16. So one of them is gonna go.


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[Assistant] Now you're gonna throw in the fact that this team has a Super Bowl caliber defense. That's half of the game.


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[Assistant] Beat one of the favorites in the NFC. Yes. Yes. Did this Super Bowl caliber defense, and by the way, they did it with trash quarterback play.


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[Assistant] Is there a quarterback out there? Is there a quarterback out there that could significantly raise the percentage? Of course.


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[Assistant] Cause I have them at like a 12% chance. Bull has them at a 1% chance. So significantly it would be doubling those odd, odds, which would be 2% chance. What's the question? Does any, is there a quarterback out there that would significantly increase the Brown's chances of going.


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[Assistant] That's the only one? Yes. Vegas has the brows. In other words, there's nobody else better than PJ Walker and DTR.


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[Assistant] No, well, it's been the same body part, but multiple injuries.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think you would ask one of the questions that you had said this morning was, was there a more devastating injury? I mean. In the history of football?


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[Assistant] Six last year, and he started six this year, but he didn't finish the Colts game. Well, that game was, I would, I think, without that, yeaah, he started, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Jason, let's, obviously he said they're gonna add a quarterback. He wouldn't give you any, obviously any speculation. There's three camps here, right? There's the...


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[Assistant] There's the young guy with upside maybe on a practice squad, and then there's the Kellen Mons or the PJ Walkers who are just roster fodder, no chance to start third guy at the end of the line. Which way do you think they're gonna go?


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[Assistant] I agree that they should go to DPR and hopefully they will. Because that's why you traded Josh Dobbs, who right now looks like he'd be a better option than anybody else they have.


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[Assistant] And I understand what, cause Leroy said similar to what you said about like, going after a Matt Ryan.


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[Assistant] But like, what would be the harm of calling a Matt Ryan or even a Colt McCoy or Nick Foles and saying, hey listen guys, we want to get DTR, we want to give him this shot, we want to see him for a few weeks, see how well he plays, and if it works,


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[Assistant] It's possible. Maybe they reached out to Matt Ryan. I'm just saying throwing this out there. Maybe they reached out to Matt Ryan a month ago and he was like, I'm not interested because


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[Assistant] It is, it's a big blow. Jay, uh, you said maybe five. As you project out,


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[Assistant] It looks like it'll take 11 wins, doesn't it, to get in?


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[Assistant] I think there'll be, there's not going to be seven teams with 11 wins though. Well, it took 11 last year, didn't it?


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[Assistant] But you can win that way because you have the defense, you have the punter to flip the field.


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[Assistant] The team hasn't won a Super Bowl without a decent quarterback in a long time. Now Nick Falls won one seven, uh, 67 years ago. He played great in those playoffs though. He played great. Yeaah, but, but, I don't know.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you this though, and I think, I mean, it's just, it's there.


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[Assistant] Look at Kansas City. Kansas City's doing it with a great defense.


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[Assistant] And the other thing, Jason, that you have to look at moving forward obviously is longevity.


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[Assistant] You know, one of the things that you always worry about with a quarterback who has the run game in his arsenal is that he takes more hits. Uhm, he, eh, you know, it's one thing to stand back there and be upright. It's another thing to be running at full speed.


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[Assistant] And uh, you know, that's gotta be a concern. Can he continue to play the way he has played?


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[Assistant] Uhm, with these injuries because if availability isn't there, then it's a waste. Alright, Chase. Wait a minute.


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[Assistant] But his last year, you guys always bring up his year with Tyreek Hill. His numbers are really not down from 2021, which was his last year from Tyreek Hill. What are his touchdowns and interceptions?


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[Assistant] His, his interceptions are a little high, but he had 15 interceptions in 21. So he's right around the same pace. Yeah. Again, his eye test, like he doesn't scare me like he used to. Actually, his completion percentage is the best it's ever been. Best of his career. The MVP. Well, that means the MVP this season.


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[Assistant] Here's the bottom line for the Browns. Who cares about CJ Stroud? Here's the bottom line for the Browns. I don't give a shit.


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[Assistant] Here's the bottom line for the Browns. They have a very good team besides quarterback. We all know that.


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[Assistant] If they have to, they can't win a Super Bowl with the way PJ Walker and DTR have played. Absolutely not, no. Let me just finish my point. Oh sorry, you agree with me. Chime in.


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[Assistant] P.J. Walker has no business playing the NFL. He's not an NFL quarterback. But if DTR can play 75%, and it's a big ask, and I don't think it's gonna happen, but if he can't, if he can play 75%,


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[Assistant] He wins. I wonder if Jason knows something because he said, you know, I know that there's a report out there that DTR is starting, but you know, I say he kind of didn't dismiss it, but he's not ready to say that this is the way they're going. Yeah, that's true. And that's interesting.


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[Assistant] Good, because I gotta tell you, if they were to go with BJ Walker, I couldn't watch. I wouldn't be able to watch that.


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[Assistant] That sounds like a funeral, but I'm not there. I'm with Greg Newsom. I don't know if he's playing this week, they could use him back. But you know what? He didn't get off IR, he was designated.