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[Assistant] Everybody said no. Everybody went with Nick Bosa, except... Take it, Steve.


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[Assistant] The right side of the San Francisco offensive line is forced. Trent Williams on the left side, as good as it gets in the NFL. He is a one of one left tackle right now. The right side, we don't love PFF grades. No one ranks over a 55. If I'm Jim Schwartz,


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[Assistant] I'm not even putting Myles Garrett on the Trent Williams side of the field. He's attacking from the right side. TJ Wach got two sacks. I'm expecting two and a half for Myles Garrett. I think Myles Garrett two and a half sacks on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Well, they kept trying to put him against Trent Williams. I'm saying avoid that matchup. He was on the right side a number of times, a lot actually. Yeah, he was more than, uh, less than TJ Watt, more than he normally is. Much more than he normally is.


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[Assistant] This is a game that I look at where the Browns defense knows if we don't show up, it's going to get ugly real fast. And I'm expecting a heroic performance from Myles Garrett. This is a Myles Garrett. Put the team on my broad shoulders game. Prove to us, show us why. Myles Garrett's done his job. He's played great.


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[Assistant] No, I know, but I'm saying this is a game where he can make a legitimate statement, not just to the people in Cleveland who know how good he is, but to the rest of the league. Hey, when you talk about best players, this is me. I am him.


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[Assistant] Let's get to the next one, and this was a perfect split, a 4-3. Which is what I love to see when we have seven answers. That means we are right down the fence. The question is...


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[Assistant] Well Donovan Peoples Jones, Elijah Moore, and Cedric Tillman combined, those three combined, have more receiving yards than Christian McCaffrey on Sunday.


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[Assistant] So to this question, we had three yeses and four nos, and all three of you sitting out there were part of the no category. Tyvis, Jason, and myself thinks the Browns receivers outgained Christian McCaffrey in terms of receiving yards. The three of you and my fine gentleman to my right, Earl, all said no.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm looking at the text right now, you answered it. Okay. Okay. Well, Jason was the only one who said he will have a quarterback rating over 100. The rest of us said under a hundred. I'll give you my two cents and then floor's yours. It's going to be crappy weather. And that's as a good defense, crappy weather. Yeah, that's a, that's a really tough one.


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[Assistant] I think it could be nine. But I love FanDuel. We love FanDuel. Uh, 37 and a half right now.


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[Assistant] The Giants leading receiver is Darius Slayton with 162 yards in 5 games. This is 5 games.


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[Assistant] Earl Bull and Jay are on the Kareem Hunt train. G, myself, Jason and Ty. G's on it now.


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt has had 25 yards in two games now, so it's, it's who's going to get to 15 first essentially.


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[Assistant] Question number five, will the Browns and 49ers combine, the two teams combine for more touchdowns than sacks on Sunday? One of the- Wait, hold on a sec.


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[Assistant] It's hopeful. The other two is more on the defensive side. Jay, you and Tyvis think there'll be more touchdowns than sacks. Explain.


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[Assistant] Do you guys, do you guys believe this? So, I'm with Bull, moral victories don't really exist. There's very, very rare occurrences where moral victories exist, but I do believe in like a devastating defeat. There's levels to losses, that's what I've always said. And if this is a, if it turns out to be an ugly loss, then we come in Monday, it's DEF CON like. It is.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. That leads us right to our final fence rider question. This is a 4-3 split again, right down the middle. Will either team score a touchdown of at least 45 yards on Sunday? Tyvis, Bull, Jason,


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[Assistant] And G all said yes, a long touch that won't be scored. Myself, Earl and Jay said not a chance. I believe in this defense.


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, Christian McCaffrey has a 65 yard touchdown run. Okay. But their longest pass play this year, 42 yards. Just like ours. Yeah, exactly.


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[Assistant] Got a couple super chats to read. Once again, shout out to everybody who was gifted memberships today. You guys are the OGs we appreciate. The first one comes from Rinaldo Archer.


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[Assistant] To be about 75% mobility rest is a key to recovery. More than the Browns are letting on. Love Jays. Oh, these are big words.


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[Assistant] Uh, just out of curiosity, this question's from Simple. What does a brown Super Bowl parade look like compared to the 2016 Cavaliers Championship Parade?


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[Assistant] We have our next guest. We're going to bring in Aditi K. Kabbalah in one sec. Before that, I want to remind the good people from three to four o'clock today, the Barbershop, back on the UCSS channel.


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[Assistant] Previewing the Browns 49 is also giving away five


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[Assistant] Whatever they are, it's his counterpart to the terrible towels in Cleveland. Have you already ordered those? Yes. And you can get those by tuning into The Barber Shop today at 3 o'clock on the UCSS channel.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about a brown stopper we're gonna get in the show we didn't get to. So this is browns, never-before-seen content that presumably you're gonna get.


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[Assistant] Uh, but he has done this each of the last four media days?


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[Assistant] He has, he won with the super long dreadlocks last year. This is his thing, he comes in with a different look.


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[Assistant] I'm still a little perturbed by the thought of myself, Anthony and Earl being bald. We're going to keep our hair going strong. We're going to get it. We've got a lot of topics. We're also going to start with something that Kevin Stefanski said yesterday that piqued our interest because coach doesn't usually say a lot. So when he does say something,


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[Assistant] 10, 10, 15 in the morning. It's right around this discussion. There's video, you can find it on Twitter. We can't show it because...


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[Assistant] Dumb reasons, restrictions, but you could go, you could find a video, and there's at least an aerial view. It's about 10, 15 in the morning, right after Deshaun had warmed up and tried throwing a few passes. He went over and had the conversation that he was alluding to. Now, you've seen the video, Mike. I have, yes. Have you seen the Channel 3 end?


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[Assistant] This is terrible. Yeah, it is. Let me do a fast read real quick and then we'll get into the next thing. But, uh, regardless of how the Browns do, they're off this week. So there is no two minute warning show, but you know, the UCSS crew is live with you at the two minute warning every week when the Browns play. And also if you need Brown's gear for the upcoming season,


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[Assistant] Head over to fanatics.com slash ucss for all your swaggy browns game. We got a two minute post game show off this week for the bye week. Back to the next.


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[Assistant] No, we got Tito real quick. Before we do Tito, I want to remind everybody that tomorrow night behind the glass, myself, Anthony and Earl will be...


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[Assistant] Having some fun. We haven't quite figured out what we're going to talk about tomorrow night because there's not a Browns game coming up, but we're definitely going to do something a little more entertaining than typical. It will be less analytics, more, let's just have some fun.


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[Assistant] Shoot the, you know what, and, uh, enjoy the company of ourselves, the others, and answer as many fan questions as seemingly possible. So tomorrow night at some time, probably seven o'clock, we'll be doing another edition of Behind the Glass. We're talking baseball, Jay, so let's continue the baseball conversation. Terry Francona later today, as you guys alluded to earlier, will officially announce his retirement. The worst kept secret will be no longer a secret.


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[Assistant] First, then we're gonna go lights out. We will bring in Sean Merriman in one sec. We'll talk a little bit more about Terry Francona tomorrow after we hear his official release. But, we bring on Sean Merriman now, and this weekend,


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[Assistant] Sean is a, one of the owners of Lights Out Extreme Fighting and they have a massive card coming up this weekend. The main event, Morales vs. Oliver, if you guys like UFC, MMA fighting, it's not UFC, it's in the same vein though, it's Mixed Martial Arts of the Extreme, Lights Out Extreme Fighting, you can buy the pay per view event, it's on Fubo Sports Live.


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[Assistant] Morales vs. Tolliver should be a big one. Two heavyweight guys. Not heavyweight fighters, but guys that throw heavy punches. It should be fun with that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Sean, so I just texted De'Quel and told him we had you on, and he goes, haha, that's my guy, Lights Out, what a great dude. You guys will be stupid not to ask him how he got the nickname Lights Out. It's a legendary story around the DMV. So from De'Quel Jackson's text to my mouth, to your answer, how did the nickname Lights Out come to be?


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[Assistant] I-I gotta get Sean's back here. The leading receiver in the Big Ten last year wasn't on Ohio State. Ooh. Who was it? Maryland. It wasn't Maryland either. Oh, okay. It was Purdue. Charlie Jones. Let the bangles out.


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[Assistant] It happened last night on Monday Night Football in New York. It's happened all three home games here in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] At some point or another throughout each of the home games, the home, uh, home fans have food the Browns.


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[Assistant] James Hudson did a very, very, very subpar job on Sunday.


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[Assistant] But it helps us on the back end. We appreciate any support if you use the code fanatics.com slash UCSS. And now it's time to bring in.


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[Assistant] One of our more anticipated guests in a long time, it is PFF's lead analyst. It is the one, the only Sam Monson.


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[Assistant] But it's his fault he didn't have DTR ready in three hours. C'mon G, you're better than that. Uh, Vernell Jackson says, would y'all been happy with Deshaun starting and leaving the game after one series? Or get sacked and be hurt way worse? Either way, DTR plays. It was bad coaching.


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[Assistant] Simple says to Fanski dropping this after Watson telling teammates all week, could divide the locker room, could be nothing, but seems like there's something to it.


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[Assistant] Does anybody remember Galindo Lindy Infante? I do. Yeah. Never heard of him. He took us to the 1987 AFC championship.


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[Assistant] Why'd you call- why'd you say Galindo?


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[Assistant] And then Charles T says, I'm here to help Petty LaBole. The last time a good team with a great running back won the Super Bowl was Marshawn Lynch in 2013 and he rushed for 37 yards.


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[Assistant] I think it's a mix of those two things. I think that Jim Schwartz has installed a system that lets these guys play with their hair on fire. It keeps it simple. They know their assignments. The communication has been good.


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know, it just things, you know, it just wasn't a night that was conducive to, uh, you know, great football by the Cleveland Browns and the, you know, the defense was able to, uh, you know, to, you know, get some things done in that game.


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[Assistant] Everybody is going to be, uh, you know, trying to see what they can do, uh, to move the ball on these guys. So I think once we get to mid November, we'll have a really good idea, uh, you know, what the deal is going to be in terms of just how dominant this group is going to be. But right now it looks pretty darn good.


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[Assistant] And it's not a long, long term thing, but if you can maybe get through this game and, and let him heal up through the bye week, you know, maybe that's the more prudent way to go about it. So we'll have to see when we get out there tomorrow how Greg is doing. Of course you want him in this game if you can have him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but, you know, as of right now, it's probably just a little bit iffy.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, I think you need to start fresh with this season because it's a brand new scheme, a brand new system, and all kinds of new personnel that he's working with. He and Kevin are just getting to know each other, just getting to learn each other. I think that it was a gross overreaction.


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[Assistant] This, that's a really good, uhm, that's a really good premise and a good question. Uhm, you know what, right now I'm gonna go with Dewan Jones. I've watched Dewan Jones almost grow up before my very eyes. Okay, I stood out there, I watched him throw up on the very first day of


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[Assistant] And so uhm, I'm gonna go with Dewan. Each week he comes up the learning curve a little bit more. He wants to be great. Uh, he is chasing the legacy of Joe Thomas. That's a pretty tall order.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and I think that he deserves a ton of credit.


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[Assistant] You know what, Garrett, I gotta tell you, I agree with you 100%. When you watch Amari make a catch, it's unbelievable. I mean, he made a few catches the other day where he was completely covered.


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[Assistant] He's very cerebral. I mean, he, you know, he plays chess. He's, he's just a...


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, he's just almost like a scholar instead of a receiver.


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[Assistant] I mean, I just, I just feel like eventually something got to give, right? Elijah Moore eventually will have to find an end zone this season. Why? I think that this... Wait, wait, wait. I think that this is an opportunity for him to be able to do so. Uhm, even though the past offense has not been what it's been,


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[Assistant] PJ Walker found, you know, found an end zone passing the ball last week. Maybe he can do it again this week. So I just don't believe that he's going to go the whole season without catching a touchdown. So let's, let's make it this week.


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[Assistant] About, it's the same guys except for two players. And that's that those two tackles.


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[Assistant] Hold on, hold on, hold on. You change the pressure you get up the middle and everything else seems more disruptive. Last year they got no pressure up the middle.


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[Assistant] You know, when the other team ran the ball, they ran right up the middle.


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[Assistant] You pretty much take your two defensive players out of the game. Now, I will say this. One of the things that annoyed me, and I've said this. Anthony Walker wasn't there last year. I will say this. One of the things that annoyed me last year, and I said this over and over again. When you have a player like Miles Garrett, you move him around and create mismatches with everybody on that offensive line. They never moved him.


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[Assistant] And now they're moving them around and the office don't know what to do.


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[Assistant] Because not only do you have to deal with Miles Garrett, but the other guys are bringing the heat. That's where your team is different. So whether it's with Blitzen or whatever,


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[Assistant] It starts with those front four and what they've done and what they are doing these first three weeks have made all the difference in the world in that defense. And I would even go a step further and say the pressure that you're getting up the middle is changing the way we look at this defense.


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[Assistant] And there's some blame to go there too. Because his job is to get the most out of the players he has.


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[Assistant] And lining up guys and just having them play football when you know damn well you can't get a rush up the middle. That's on the coach.


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[Assistant] And it gives, uhm, the new defensive coordinator a lot more flexibility knowing that when we start every play, we know we gonna get some pressure up the middle.


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[Assistant] Right? He, he looked comfortable. Uhm, some, some would say that he didn't have the pressure of having to get the ball to Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? You could say that, but I would just say that Sean Watson, for the first time as a Cleveland Brown, looked comfortable playing quarterback. And we knew it was going to come. We knew eventually he was going to get back to playing the type of quarterback. That stuff just don't go away. Right?


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[Assistant] You know, you've been out with injury, that's different. That was different than this.


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[Assistant] Are explaining what it's like to play DB. And I get that. But what you're explaining does not match that damn play. You thought it was dirty?


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[Assistant] He was faced damn near the other way, because he was getting turned by somebody holding him up high. And Megan Fitzpatrick went down low. Like a coward.


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[Assistant] Okay? So you can put whatever twist you want on it. And I've said this over and over again. If it's me against you, you get me down however you can. That's on me.


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[Assistant] We took that away from D Lyman. You can't get cracked back.


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[Assistant] That's the only play right there that, that is a defenseless player and he has no protections. So you look at the play.


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[Assistant] You listen to them explain the play, talking about, oh, he got to get Nick chopped down however he can because that dude is a beast. Really? In that situation he's a beast? Not looking at you and you go low?


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[Assistant] Right? And they come try to get the ball.


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[Assistant] But to sit here and stand on your soapbox and say, what about protections for the defense?


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[Assistant] You got, you got, let me tell you something. Defenders got a lot more protection than Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] We can't do nothing. We can't, you know, and, and keep in mind.


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[Assistant] The one position on the football field that can initiate contact.


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[Assistant] Like, that's, that's the way it is. That, that shows your toughness.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, don't sit here and complain when half of the ways we used to knock y'all asses out has been taken out of the game. Yeah, right. You can't cut.


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[Assistant] Right? Okay? Because I can see you. You can see me.


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[Assistant] When that guy was, when Nick Child was being held up and turned so his back was facing Mika Fitzpatrick. How you gonna tell me that that's a legal plate?


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[Assistant] Well, I figured Kareem Hunt and, and Topps, we talk about, I'd say he'd get 5-10 carries, get his feet wet, put him in on some short yards and stuff, let him just be a moose. Right?


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[Assistant] Right? So I think he can carry the load. I think they gonna still, they gonna increase Kareem Hunt's production. But I think more importantly,


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[Assistant] It's the flexibility that you have to use them in a number of different ways. And I think that's the most important thing that now you can still continue with your offense. You can still run the ball when you want to because you don't feel that, um,


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[Assistant] You know, so you can still run your offense and I think that's the most important thing.


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[Assistant] So when Bill, when Belichick came in, right, he brought me and Metcalf into his office. He said, Metcalf.


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[Assistant] Tried to do the thing where you run with two hands and hold it and it just looked clunky. He said, go back to the old way.


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[Assistant] It's one thing to carry the ball, right? It is, it's another thing to carry it like a running bag, right? When you used to carrying it in space all the time.


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[Assistant] When you used to carrying it, you know, out in the open and you got time to protect yourself.


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[Assistant] When you in the mix, them hands and punches and swats at the ball coming from anywhere.


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[Assistant] And so it's different and it's one of those things you gotta get used to. You gotta get used to it.


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[Assistant] Not, I've learned a long time ago that you look at the offensive line as a whole.


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[Assistant] Because they can run schemes to protect one guy. Right? And sometimes you have to do that.


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[Assistant] And, and every, every, when your offensive line is great, it don't mean every individual player is great. It means they play well together.


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[Assistant] And you gotta, you know, give it up for the, either the online coach or the offensive scheme or things like that. So I'm always, I'm never going to say and point out one guy.


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[Assistant] Because the offensive line as a whole has done pretty good.


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[Assistant] And it would be tough to put it on one guy. Now that being said, football is such that they'll find your soft spot.


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[Assistant] They gonna start doing things on that side of the ball to try to expose him. So he's gonna have to get better, but as a whole, I, this is,


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[Assistant] Over the past three or four years have been one of the best, uh, run blocking offensive lines in the game.


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[Assistant] So, I'm not gonna just totally dismiss and say that they are all bad.


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[Assistant] And I think that, you know, sometimes we look at players and see their shortcomings, but we don't understand why. And we don't understand what the franchise or the team thinks of that player. Clearly they think he can do it. So it's just a matter of getting them in the right positions to do it.


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[Assistant] I'm looking for one thing, and I talked about it earlier, how impressed I am with that pressure up the middle. Right?


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[Assistant] And all I wanna do is, listen, Lamar Jackson gonna make some plays on you. Right? But here's what you want. You wanna put that heat on him up front, so he looking at you.


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[Assistant] And if he ain't looking down the field, he can't make as many plays.


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[Assistant] You try to contain him. The thing is, I think they have enough speed to kind of get him sometimes and put him in bad positions.


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[Assistant] And put him in bad positions to make some throws that maybe he won't, you don't want to. I like when quarterbacks are that ill.


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[Assistant] You know, instead of running, they try to get rid of the ball quicker. Cause you know what that is. That's the secondary, you know, secondary's dream. Sure. You know, early pass.


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[Assistant] Right, so, so from that standpoint, it's all about what...


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[Assistant] How they're gonna contain Lamar Jackson. I think what helps more than it has in the past is the pressure up the middle. Because now,


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[Assistant] You put pressure up the middle, he don't have those lanes to go, you know, underneath the outside rushers.


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[Assistant] And, and it'll be interesting to see, okay, just from that standpoint, what kind of pressure they gonna put on him? Are you gonna, are you gonna blitz him? Are you gonna try to play, you know, more zone and dare him to pick you apart?


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[Assistant] Because I do believe of all the running quarterbacks, all the guys you say athletic quarterbacks, he is the best passer of the ball. And people don't give him credit for that. So he can throw the ball, but make him throw it on your terms.


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[Assistant] Don't make it throw in his turn. That means the quarterback gets to sit back there with his jersey, get his uniform right, make a phone call, and then throw the ball at somebody down the field. That's why I don't, because he's been running around for five seconds.


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[Assistant] Put some heat on him. Make him uncomfortable. And then let's see if he got to go to the bathroom and make a boo boo and then come back out and win the game.


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[Assistant] I knew some people in Atlantic City, they say, hey, we'll send you guys up some cars. We'll bring you down in Atlantic City. Y'all come have some fun or whatever. Welcome you to, you know, this part of the country. I was like, okay.


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[Assistant] So we got, you know, like, we had like four or five linemen, a couple of wire receivers, and then Dre. So they sent four cars. Dre say, I need my own car.


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[Assistant] You know me, I'm like, wait a minute, you a guest, you, you gonna, you gonna hand me jail? Alright Dre, alright Dre, you know, we, you know, you understand, you make, look, you make exceptions for your boy, right? So, we get to Lang City, about eight of us, we all getting out of the car, and then Dre get out of the car, we look in the car, it's baby oil everywhere.


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[Assistant] Far exceed football, and I remember those stories more than when we actually played together.


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[Assistant] Pick a winner real quick, who wins, real quick. Uhm, I'm gonna say, Browns 24-20, because they're at home. We'll take that.


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[Assistant] I like having a Sunday off. We're playing baseball. We're gonna play baseball Sunday. AJ's got a baseball clinic. Nice! Oh, I thought you were gonna play.


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[Assistant] Took off this week. It probably got blown a little bit out of proportion. But everything I said was true. Like guys were aggravating the locker room after the game. I think I said it on the piece I sent in Monday. He did.


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[Assistant] So, like, I'm just stating a fact. Like, guys were frustrated. And the reason they were frustrated... Restate it for those that didn't see the original. So, basically, Deshaun told everyone he was going to play all week. He told all of his teammates, all the coaches, I'm playing on Sunday. And the media. And the media. I'm going to play on Sunday.


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[Assistant] And then Sunday came, 10, 30 in the morning, nope, I'm out, can't play. And I think a lot of this could have been avoided had he just said all week long, this really hurts.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna do what I can. Like, you know I'm gonna do everything I can to play, and we'll see on Sunday where it's at. But,


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[Assistant] As I pointed out when I wrote this, like this was an arranged marriage between Deshaun and Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry. These guys didn't know each other until they met at the altar.


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[Assistant] At Rusty Harden's office in March of 2022. That's the first time that they really ever came together. So they're still learning each other and still figuring everyone out. And Deshawn's toughness stories are legendary. That he played with a collapsed lung. He's played with a broken rib. Obviously, if this guy can go, he's going to go.


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[Assistant] So when Deshaun tells you all week, I'm gonna go, everyone just takes him at his word that, yeah, okay, he can't really throw it right now, but he says he's gonna play, he knows his body, he's gonna play.


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[Assistant] And that's where I think some of the breakdown communication came. Now, the part that I think is getting a little bit probably stretched and overblown is like, there's this big rift now between them. I don't necessarily believe that's the case. I think guys were just frustrated in the moment.


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[Assistant] They got their asses beat in a game that they thought they were going to have their quarterback. They didn't. DTR comes in clearly overwhelmed, clearly overmatched right from the jump.


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[Assistant] And just, it just, he, the game was too fast for him. It was obvious from probably the fourth throw of the game.


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[Assistant] This guy's in over his head. And I think it was just more frustration than anything. I'm not trying to sit here and tell you guys that everyone has turned on to Sean. That's not the case. The only thing I said was there was frustration and guys were aggravated, which is a hundred percent true. That's all. And, and now, and because, and I was also a little bit aggravated that so when Kevin comes out and says,


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[Assistant] You know, I think it was Tony Grossi asked him, was he medically cleared to play? And Kevin said, yeah, he's just being honest. How do you explain that? Because Kevin is so... It's so odd that he said it. He was just being honest. Right, but he's never honest.


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[Assistant] He should have realized that. And okay, maybe he should have said it was a collective decision, you know, whatever. But the fact is he answered it honestly and now all of a sudden it becomes, well, why is Kevin telling the truth and why is he hanging his quarterback out to dry? And I guess I just wanted to come back.


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[Assistant] No, I saw it as he just was being honest in the moment. Like, do you feel that it put Deshaun Watson in a negative light? Uhm.


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[Assistant] Maybe possibly, but I guess that's why I said what I said to show that like, hey guys, like this is real. Like, Kevin wasn't lying, he was telling the truth. I know, but these guys were frustrated.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think he just, I mean, we say like he chooses every word meticulously and he never says anything. That's why I can't buy that he slipped. I think he did. It's one of the most important questions he's answered during his time here. And I think he just, I think he just blew it. I just think he, but I don't think he blew it. Like if you want to look at it as protect the quarterback, then he blew it. I just look at it as he's being honest in the moment.


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[Assistant] You know what? I'm not, I don't know Deshaun well enough and I don't want to just make a guess. I have no idea how he took it. I'm sure there's a conversation. I'm sure there was. And especially after, you know, what I said kind of went nuts. Uh, I'm sure that there's been conversations going on.


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[Assistant] I think he tried at the, at his bio-pressor. No, I know that was his objective, but I'm wondering


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[Assistant] See, I look at it the other way because I think Kevin was telling the truth and I know what players told me, so I don't really care what AB's trying to say to clean it up because that's all it is, is he's just trying to sweep up a mess, but I know what the reality is, you know what I mean? Like does that make sense? So I don't really care what you're saying.


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[Assistant] If Deshawn's saying the whole time, I don't know. I don't know if I could play or not. Like, let's get to Sunday and see. You guys know I'm gonna work my butt off. I'm gonna do everything I can to play, and we'll see when Sunday gets here. That's not how he handled it. He said, I'm going, like, absolutely definitively, I am going to play. And that's where I think the frustration came from. But I'm sure that, like,


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[Assistant] You're still carrying that animal. Which one is it? Which one is that? That's a good point. I would tend to believe it's more the first. In the moment. It's in the moment. These guys just came off the field. I'm talking to them.


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[Assistant] 20 minutes after they come off the field. 25 minutes. And they got their asses beat and they're pissed.


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[Assistant] Destroyed. Yeah. Bad. Yeah. I tend to think it's probably already over.


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[Assistant] But as to your point, it's a bio week, so we're still talking about it. But internally, I doubt that it's probably still lingering. I just, I'm telling you the truth. Like, guys are pissed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sure, it could, but I look at it as, and I agree with, like,


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[Assistant] Week five is a terrible time for a bye because it just makes the rest of the season so long. But with where this team is at right now, your quarterback's injured.


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[Assistant] Right. So, you know, it's kind of an important spot. So I think this, and there's other guys that are banged up. Nusa missed the last game. Nusa missed the last game. Miles went and got an x-ray. That's true. After the game. So for that reason and because of who the opponent is and gives you two weeks to prepare for


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[Assistant] What could be the best team of the NFC? I actually think it's a great time for a


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[Assistant] You know, I know that old saying, if, if, if, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts and all that, but I do think it's fair to point out.


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[Assistant] They are one strip sack defensive touchdown away. From being three and one. And their only loss is with DTR. And I think we're having a completely different conversation.


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[Assistant] I think I know the answer because Mike and I were texting a little bit this morning, so I'm going to say run blocking. Oh, okay.


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[Assistant] Here's what I'm wondering with the run blocking grades. Does anything, does the tailback have any impact on it whatsoever? Like are you looking strictly at the blocking schemes or the result of the play?


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[Assistant] We're used to the ball coming out faster. When Deshaun, and this isn't a knock on Deshaun, this is part of what makes him great. You're right. Is the fact he can hold it, let things develop, let things play out. And buy extra time with his feet. But when you're a lineman,


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[Assistant] It doesn't feel that way. You're going 1001, 1002, 1003. Where's the ball? Why isn't the ball out? So it's, it's harder for the lineman to adjust to that type of style, but it's just how he is. Like it's part of what makes him great.


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[Assistant] Yes, not a starting left. A lower tier. Well, that's counting guard centers, everyone, right? That 101? No.


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[Assistant] In a run game is tough. Yea, honestly I didn't watch it as much in the Baltimore game, but the Tennessee game,


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[Assistant] It only takes one. Okay, so I'm curious, now that you've seen these numbers,


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[Assistant] They gotta run the ball. You gotta give your quarterback a chance. Well, they're seeing the same thing. But when you look at those numbers, you got no chance.


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[Assistant] The Will's thing is, I know we got two more to get to, the Will's thing is just baffling to me. He's, I just don't, he's fallen off a cliff this year. I mean, when I was out here defending him, it was based on past years.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I haven't asked him. Yeah, you should. But, uh, the thing that's concerning about this, I think we're starting to allude to it, he's 32 years old. Yeah. And they just redid his contract, which makes it harder to get out of it. So if, if this is the cliff that he's teetering toward, he's got a dead cap hit next year of 8 million


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[Assistant] In 2025, it's five million. He's got 14 million in dead caps spread out over the next three years after this year.


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[Assistant] If he was 29 and starting to decline, I think you'd be, okay, you know, this is Nat, but he's 32. So wait, it's getting completely off the cliff here. You know.


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[Assistant] If Joel can hold on- Wait a couple years. If Joel can hold on at this level for two more years, they'll be okay. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. It's the concern of, where's the cliff?


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[Assistant] That's a fair point, because the strength of this line is the interior, center and two guards. But now you've got Wilson's a complete disaster on this side, so Joel's gotta babysit him, and you've got Wyatt babysitting DeWanda on this side, telling him where to go and what to do. So the guards are playing, now both guards are playing two spots.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you're still gonna get more for what than you are. Yeah, you are on a trade. That's why I would do with that.


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[Assistant] I'm not paying any attention to fantasy this year. I'll go with whatever Bull says.


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[Assistant] Keeping Lawrence Trade Style Cut Breaker.


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[Assistant] I texted Mikey this morning, I'm like, Hey, you know, I had a call a little bit late. He wants here at 10 30. I'm like, I'll be here like


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[Assistant] A tip that a state trooper gave me many, many years ago that's gotten me out of a number of tickets.


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[Assistant] Don't reach for your glove box. Worst thing you can do. They don't know what you're going for. And put both hands at 10 o'clock.


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[Assistant] That you're aware of the danger that his job entails. This is the same space. This is the same space. Go right here. They love to be able to see your hands when they're coming up on the clock. Yea, well, Jason's lucky today. Yea, he is living on the right side. I would like to say he'll learn his lesson, but I know better. Don't go there, Bull.


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[Assistant] Busy, busy show. Uh, Tim couch coming up at 11 20. We're going to talk about, we have asked on this show a number of times. What is it about Kevin Stefanski?


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[Assistant] With the Cincinnati Bengals, but he struggles mightily against everyone else. Maybe, I found some numbers, maybe I've stumbled into the answer on that. Well, I don't know about everybody else. Well, he's six games under 500 against everybody else. He's five games over 500. It might be eight games under 500. What's his total record right now?


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[Assistant] Against everybody, but against the Bengals, he's five games over 500, which means if you take the Bengals out of the mix, he's three games under 500. Yea, but that doesn't mean he's bad against everybody. No, but I have found a trend against the teams he's particularly bad against.


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[Assistant] And we'll, we'll give you those numbers and you can decide if this is just as the bull loves to say, it's not a big sample size. It's not, it's not enough. It might be, he might be right in this case. Uh, Brown's run defense against Derek Henry. Uh,


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[Assistant] Brown's run defense has been great. Derrick Henry, normally great. His numbers this year aren't eye popping. He's averaging 73. Yea, it's a slow start last year and I thought he was done.


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[Assistant] And then at 12.30, you're gonna have to drop the stream and jump over to WKYC Channel 3 here in Cleveland. By the way, I heard from some folks last week that said, I'm not in the Cleveland market. I can't watch it. You can. Go to WKYC.com.


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[Assistant] That is the last half hour today. It was very cool this morning when I went on my, uh, TV, you know, the guide on the TV. Yeaah. And saw UCSS on WKYC. Oh did you?


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[Assistant] They are offering $400 gift cards if you sign up with DirecTV.


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[Assistant] Busy day. Busy, busy day. This is our last show before the actual next game against the Titans on Sunday. I mentioned that


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[Assistant] So a couple things that I'd say to that, guys. First of all,


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[Assistant] And why did we not hear about any of this lack of chemistry or lack of being on the same page when they beat Cincinnati by three touchdowns? All of a sudden? Now listen, we want guys to be honest in press conferences, so I hate to rip a guy when he gives what he looks at as an honest answer, but it sounded to me like a lot of excuses. I counted five of them in there. Yeah, they beat the Bengals by three touchdowns.


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[Assistant] As opposed to your quarterback with these new offensive weapons.


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[Assistant] they struggle in the earl and that's playing out r You said yesterday that hi


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Elijah Moore comment, the Coop comment, like,


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[Assistant] That might in fact be true. Uh, the reason it didn't show itself against Cincinnati, that's just, I wouldn't give the offense anything but a C minus against Cincinnati. Right. They were relatively ineffective. They, they did enough to win the football game, but I think it's clear they won on the strength of their defense. I... What's amazing, by the way, guys, is


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[Assistant] I was looking to see if Sean Watson took significantly less snaps or threw significantly less passes than any other veteran.


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[Assistant] Uh, he's injury-prone. He's older in his career, and maybe the Browns, I'm not saying it was foreshadowing, but they did want to know, what do we have with this kid? We know we've got a huge chunk of clay, but what can we turn it into? Uhm, and I'm glad they did play him a lot. I was critical of the way the Browns used Deshaun Watson in the preseason.


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[Assistant] Uh, I stand by that criticism. It wasn't enough. 13 passes in the preseason and now he's going to say, we're not on the same page. Why are you not on the same page? Because you had 13 reps in the preseason.


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[Assistant] Typically, what other teams are doing with their starters. Well, Belichick didn't, well, you know, Andy Reid this year, I don't care.


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[Assistant] No one has a situation like the Browns. The Browns situation was very unique. They have a franchise quarterback that had so much rust on him last year, he looked unrecognizable. I'd say the only


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[Assistant] If I stretch it, the only comparison I could make would be Jordan Love, who's been in the league a while but hasn't played. Sure. And he threw, I think, three times the passes that Deshaun Watson. Appropriate. He used him a lot. And that was appropriate. Because they were like, we need to get him up to speed. And you know what? I would have looked at Deshaun Watson as the same way. Last year, everybody said, well, he hasn't played in two years. What'd you expect?


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[Assistant] Okay, if that's true, let's get him as many reps as we possibly can. So in week two, we don't hear, we are not on the same page. And to your point, you blame Stefanski. I don't know that that's true.


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[Assistant] Has Stefanski said anything about there being communication issues? And I know he doesn't tell us much. Yeaah, he's not going to say that. Alex van Pelt said he wasn't buying it. He talked yesterday. Good, because I was, I didn't hear either, either man speak. I want to know is anybody else saying that this is an issue? Don't we have a clip from Petonio?


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[Assistant] I'd love to know how the question to him was phrased, and you know this, there's a difference. Was the question phrased, hey how's the communication been this year?


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[Assistant] Or was it phrased, Deshaun just said communication's been a problem. Knowing that room as well as I do. That's the way it was phrased. That's my assumption too, because you know as well as I do, reporters love to listen to the other team's comments and then run into the locker room and say, hey,


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[Assistant] What's the communication been like between coach to quarterback, quarterback to players? Now you're going to get an honest assessment of what he thinks. True, although Betonio could argue that the reporters put him in a tricky spot, not telling him the Watson thing. That's right, that's right. And maybe he inadvertently makes Watson look bad if he didn't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I, I don't, I think you're right, that's the best way to get the honest answer. But Tonio doesn't know what Deshaun has said. Right, that's true. Instead of giving him a peek at what Deshaun's answer was, instead just ask about the issue in a vacuum and see what his answer is. And this is also why I think


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[Assistant] This communication thing, it sounds like a big blanket.


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[Assistant] What does that mean? Yeaah, I know, it's all encompassing. Well, you can put that under the- I did think one of the most interesting things Joe Botonio said was, he said twice that it felt like panic set in when Nick Chubb got hurt. I was surprised by that too because they were winning- No, he said the pick six. Did he say- No, he said after the pick six. Not after the- and they were winning 11-7.


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[Assistant] They are in complete control of this game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Pittsburgh had the one home run play to Pickens. That was it. That was half of their offensive production for the night. One play.


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[Assistant] We talked about this a little bit yesterday, that a lot of people, myself included, to some degree, gave Deshaun Watson a pass for last year.


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[Assistant] And a lot of people, myself included, less included than the first group, gave Deshaun Watson a pass for the Bengal game.


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[Assistant] After this game, it changed. There were a lot of Deshaun Watson homers that started to say, what's going on? He's not playing well. If he has a bad game this week, that group is going over the top.


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[Assistant] It's gonna become the majority of Browns fans are going over the top because if he, you have perfect conditions this Sunday. You're at home.


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[Assistant] You're playing one of the worst pass defenses in the league. The weather is supposed to be perfect, 70 degrees and partly sunny.


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[Assistant] There is no excuse whatsoever for Deshaun Watson to have, not to have a good game. And if he does it again, which would make it nine, with Baltimore by San Francisco, there will be, even if


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[Assistant] I guess if they win, it won't be full blown panic, cause you'll still be 2-1. But if he plays poorly AND they lose, it's gonna be insane. I agree with you. The tide will turn in a... Right now...


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[Assistant] Time reps, like that's how you fix it. Shouldn't it have been enough time by now? Yes! Yes! I mean this is crazy. We just said that. It was a longer extended preseason. What percent is Stefanski? What percent is Watson?


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[Assistant] I mean, now it's Deshaun. He's the one on the field. Before it was Kevin. I'm gonna say 50-50 overall.


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[Assistant] That's all Kevin, but now it's Deshaun. He's the one with the ball in his hands, he's the one on the field. I was interested, the one part of the thing he said, and we played the part yesterday but not in this piece, we said, well we don't know if we're going for it on third down or what are we doing, are we going for it on fourth down? I was surprised to hear him say that.


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[Assistant] You've played the position. You know the importance of communication. You're also watching everything like we are. Do you buy that it's communication?


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[Assistant] Right, in his three full years, he went to the playoffs twice.


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[Assistant] His last year there, they did win a lot of games, but he played well, he had no, he had nothing around him.


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[Assistant] We ne, we, oh, we almost never saw him have a bad game in Houston. Since coming to Cleveland, he's played eight games. They've all been bad. I don't even think any of them have been average. At best they've been, one or two have been average.


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[Assistant] How do we explain this? He's not old. You know, he's had injuries in the past, but not recently.


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[Assistant] Yeah, your point that he's probably in the bottom half, uhm, and then you, you kinda clarified that and said, in fact, statistically, he's in the bottom five. He is. His QBR, since he came back, if you put all quarterbacks into that mix over the last eight games,


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[Assistant] He's 28th or 29th in QBR. So this isn't like he's average and we need to get him into the elite category. This is, he's been horrible and at this point we're just talking about, can we get him to average? If we can get him to average with this defense, you might have something. Someone brought up on the show, I think it was Bull,


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[Assistant] Someone brought up on the show something earlier this week that I really want to ask you about. They said that perhaps this is all mental.


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[Assistant] And then they made the comparison to Tiger Woods. How Tiger Woods was absolutely elite in his career. He had rewritten the entire golf record book. It looked like he wasn't going to just catch Jack on the number of majors. He was going to destroy that.


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[Assistant] And then he came, came his, his personal tragedy, the very public, uh, divorce and everything that led up to the car crash and him cheating on his wife. He had to face the media and someone had said he was never the same after that.


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[Assistant] Uh, do you see any similarities? I know you follow golf. I know you know Tiger's career trajectory well. Is that, is that possible what we're seeing here? And that he'll never shake this baggage and this is who he is?


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[Assistant] Timmy, you're a quarterback, you're not playing well. Do you feel the need to go to your teammates, to go to your linemen, skill guys, whatever?


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[Assistant] Tim, uh, Joel Batonio, we just played the clip a little bit ago, he said that he felt like after that initial pick, there was some panic from the Browns. Are you surprised that he said it and spiked that cap?


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[Assistant] And a player like, when any player gets seriously hurt, obviously, but a player of the caliber, and maybe it doesn't matter, maybe it's, you know, you guys are all brothers, so maybe whether it's the 53rd guy or the best guy, it doesn't matter. But I'll just, for this example, a guy like Nick Chubb, who's so important to the team,


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[Assistant] Appears to be like the greatest guy on the face of the earth, does all the right things. When he gets hurt, and everybody, when that happens, everybody on the team knows how serious it is. What's that like, being on the sideline, being with your teammates when something like that happens?


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[Assistant] Two things, we need your prediction and also I want you to tell us about your boy Chase who is, uh, a ridiculous athlete and tearing it up in high school football.


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[Assistant] Very good. And who wins? Sunday. Browns or Titans.


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[Assistant] He's also a D lineman. Very, very good. Yeah, Chase is a D lineman. And if I'm not mistaken, he's already got an offer from Kentucky. Yeah, not a surprise. Yeah, not a surprise at all. It'd be silly not to, uh, I mean, I think the first couch they recruited and brought into town did pretty well. Yeah, it did pretty well.


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[Assistant] By the way, Mike, the last couple of blocks before the uh, the TV studio today, instead of Jason, I wasn't driving like 80 miles an hour on the street, but I'm driving down the road and I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, wow, that guy over there looks like Earl. And then it was Earl coming into work.


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[Assistant] That's great. Too good. That's true. Okay, uhm, so this season now has sort of become, uh, a do it for Nick job sort of thing. Win one for the Gipper. Yeah, win it for the Gipper. A lot of the players said that post game after the loss. They reiterated it in media availed this week before the game, particularly


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[Assistant] Uhm, you've got Miles Garrett who's saying, you know, they're very close. Uh, I want to go out there and make sure that this wasn't in vain. And then yesterday we noticed that the Dallas Cowboys lost, uhm,


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[Assistant] One of their star players digs towards ACL. It's a huge injury for them. I know in practice, that's just awful. But after the practice, Michael Parsons told the media that I'm putting this team on my back, which I think he's already done.


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[Assistant] I have to defer to Miles just because I know Miles and I saw the look on his face.


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[Assistant] Monday night after the game when we were talking about Nick and the injury and, and how...


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[Assistant] I don't know, Distraught may be too strong, but he was upset. We mentioned on the show yesterday, guys will say this.


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[Assistant] So I'd put my vote in the miles box just because he's done this before. I protest the question. It's not a good question. They're a terrible job out of you, Mike.


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[Assistant] Their performance gets better. TJ Watt is a guy that I think is very, very known for that. I also think that Aaron Donald is a guy, you saw him make a play in the Super Bowl that gave the ring to the Rams and took it from the Bengals. I think in those last couple of plays in that final series, in that final drive,


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[Assistant] Again. It was big for them, and he made big plays. Again, for all the talk of Miles Garrett and T.J. Watt, the best player in that game was Alex I. Smith. I don't even think it's debatable. And the second best player was Grant Delpit. Partly because of who I. Smith was lined up against.


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[Assistant] I think he probably does more often than not go against the right tackle. Uh, who? Or the left tackle, I mean. Yeaah. Yeaah. Miles. But, but anyway, I, I do think that I am buying that the Browns are gonna be extra motivated because of Nick Chubb. I am buying that. Does that mean?


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[Assistant] I thought that, did they not make the playoffs? No, they won like seven games. What'd they finish? A game under five.


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[Assistant] Well, they lost Tannehill last year. What'd he miss? The entire second half of the season? I don't know. I don't remember how much he missed. How many games did Tannehill play last year? Give me one sec. Before he went out.


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[Assistant] It was interesting, when we had Teresa on yesterday, she had said that Tannahill really looked bad in week one, rusty, and then she said there was almost like a flip was switched, and she said, oh, there's Tannahill again, that's the guy that we've come to know.


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[Assistant] What was his record last year? Six and six.


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[Assistant] Okay, so they're about a 500 team. That's not good. Well, I mean, over the last season plus, the Browns are three games under 500. That's not good either. It's not. I think the home field and the Browns defense, to your point, that's a W. Don't screw it up. Don't throw interceptions. Deshaun Watson is, the Browns offense, I think, has turned it over six times. Am I right? Uh, that is correct. Watson's responsible for


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[Assistant] No, but Watson fumbled twice last week and threw a pick. He had three correct. Okay. The week before he threw a pick and somebody fumbled.


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[Assistant] Is it Elijah Moore? Ford. Ford Fumble. So he's responsible for this. He's responsible for this external. I think really, if you were gonna, for me, if you're gonna clean up one area.


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[Assistant] It's the turnovers. If you don't give the ball away with this defense, you should beat 75% of the teams on your schedule. The Titans won seven games last year.


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[Assistant] They're a good team in the regular season. They're not going to win a championship quarterback that they have. They're not the same team that won those games. They've lost some of their talent over the years.


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[Assistant] You're supposed to win your home games. Yes. Against teams aren't, you know, get it done. Last night, Thursday night football, they talked about what was the last time the Niners lost a home game? I think they've won 11 of 12 or 12 in a row, something like that at home. But they're a good franchise. They're not a good franchise. They're a great franchise who right now has a great football team.


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[Assistant] That's a really, really, really good football team. I just remember the whole time I was watching them last night, I was shaking my head saying,


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[Assistant] The only question with them is health, which is for every team, and is Purdy good enough when it matters. We'll see. He could have, I like Purdy, and I thought he played well for the second half.


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[Assistant] If Jedwills blocks Alex Highsmith, they win. They win that game. They win the game. What are we saying?


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[Assistant] When you win a game by one point, you forget all of the plays that preceded the final gun that didn't go well because you got to, that's why it's just about just win and advance. And figure it out. We would still be worried about Watson, but any criticism of Watson, people would say, they're 2-0, who cares? You know, and to some


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[Assistant] It's happened a number of times where teams jump off to this ridiculous start and they just get breaks. The Browns haven't had breaks. They just haven't. From the very first snap of that football game.


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[Assistant] I immediately felt, I thought back to the playoff game when the Browns did the same thing to the Steelers, but in their building. And I just remember thinking, oh here comes the title wave. Like this is the way it's going to be today.


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[Assistant] I thought they did too, they survived it, but in the end, it ended the same way it started. We gave them the football and six points. You can't do it. I always get mad when people say must wins early in the season.


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[Assistant] And I'm not calling this a must win. No. But it's gonna be. It's a really important game. If they don't win this game, it's, things are gonna get ugly. Well we talked yesterday, if you don't win, you're 1 and 2 looking at Baltimore, San Francisco.


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[Assistant] Stefanski's on the hot seat, officially on the hot seat. Well G, remember G.


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[Assistant] All off season. You got four games. Six, I think you said. You got six games. And if you start one and two, and then you've got to face Baltimore and San Francisco,


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[Assistant] They'll probably be underdogs in both of those games. If you lose those.


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[Assistant] But I do think even if they lose this game, they're going to come back and beat Baltimore. I just feel like this is a two and two team at the bye. Okay, look at two and two. Nobody's getting fired at two and two. No.


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[Assistant] I think I did, and I'll preface this too by saying, uhm, that maybe it's too small a sample size. I know I kind of kidded with Bull a lot of times when I make a stat, he'll say, but it's too early, we don't know, and he's right. Obviously you want more games to make some sort of over


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[Assistant] Arching statement, but we have asked on this show for really two years the whole time we've been on. What does Kevin Stefanski have over the Bengals?


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[Assistant] How is he consistently beating a really good football team? He's six and one against Cincinnati. And many of those games have been two score games, some of them have been three score games. It's really been impressive what he has done.


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[Assistant] Against the Cincinnati Bengals. Six wins, one loss. Against everybody else in the NFL.


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[Assistant] He is three games under 500, but what I wanted to focus in on was just the divisional games.


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[Assistant] They are hitting you with a purpose, not just to end the play, they want to take their pound to flesh. Against Baltimore and Pittsburgh, Kevin Stefanski is 4 and 9.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I didn't throw the, for my numbers, I just went in the division. It's teams we see on a regular basis. We know all of them well. They know us. I just think that often times you're right. Numbers are so close or they're not, there's not that big. We don't have a large sample size. This is three plus years of games in the division.


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[Assistant] And the team that has been the best team in the division is 6 and 1.


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[Assistant] And I would consider them more the thoroughbred finesse team. And the teams that are just beat you up and leave you black and blue were four and nine against those teams. And we always say that coaches take their personality and they just, it just trickles down to the players and that's how they play.


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[Assistant] I don't think of the Steelers as a tough team offensively though physically. Like in terms of the Browns fighting the Browns defense. No, but they're also, I think you'd agree with this, they're also not a finesse team.


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[Assistant] And Bull, to be completely honest with you, I am looking at this more


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[Assistant] I think defense is what sets the attitude and the tone. I mean, when you're on offense, the idea is to score points. It's hard to bully other teams into the end zone because that would mean you're just...


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[Assistant] Doing what Atlanta did to us last year where they just, every single play they're taking it to us. Typically on offense, the goal is to score points and being a bully on offense, I think that you set the tone for a game.


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[Assistant] With that big hit. That hit that lays out the other team's quarterback and it takes them a minute to get up.


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[Assistant] I think that our defense, although very good this year, I think this year our defense is closer to Pittsburgh and Baltimore than it's, than it's been any other time under Kevin's defense. I think the Browns have a much better defense than Baltimore. I do too. Yeaah. And so what I'm anxious to see is how we play out against Baltimore and Pittsburgh now that our defense has got dog in it.


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[Assistant] Cause the first few years of Stefanski, I kept scratching my head saying, where's the dog? Who's the dog? Now I think the dog is Jim Schwartz and I hope that all of the defensive players take on his personality like they've done in Baltimore for years. I know it was under Wink, but I still think that the guy driving that bus is


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[Assistant] Uh, I also think, you know, when you, when, the argument we were having earlier about, pull his, his


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[Assistant] Yeah, but, however, yes, I mean, without it, he's a couple over, with it, he's a couple under, but he's five games over 500 against one team with a seven game body of work.


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[Assistant] I have no explanation for it. And I, I've yet to come up with, find anyone that has one either. And these games, for the most part, against Cincinnati haven't been close. Yeaah. Halloween last year, week one this year. Yeaah. Go back a couple of years ago, 41-18 or something. I, I think


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[Assistant] There's, I think there's four games that fit the category you're talking about because the first two wins by Fancy the Bengals were bad. That was...


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[Assistant] With all their, or most of their players, certainly Burrow, and the Browns are 3-1 in those games. That's pretty impressive. Why, I mean, is it the physicalness of the defense against Pittsburgh or Baltimore? Is it that Pittsburgh or Baltimore are much better coached than both Cincinnati and Cleveland? But, you know, and some of it's just,


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[Assistant] Play their best football against the Bengals. They don't play as well, they haven't played as well consistently against Baltimore and, uh, Pittsburgh. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] It's the same things going on for them and I don't, I don't know. It's just, I know sometimes a team just has another team's number and maybe that's all this is. But I do, I do think that we see a different Cleveland Brown team.


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[Assistant] When they're playing Pittsburgh and Baltimore. I mean, the 4-9 bears that out.


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[Assistant] You know, yes, he is a 500 coach, but when you look at his record against those teams, five games under in just 13 games, like that's bad. They've owned Kevin Stefanski and that's got to turn around. You're going to win the entire franchise for 25 years. They have.


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[Assistant] Yardstick team over the last three years. Absolutely. And better than those other two. It's nuts. So. But, you know, it's a big if. Big if. But if the Browns sweep the Ravens this year, they will be 500 against the Ravens. You know what they say.


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[Assistant] Of course, it's a totally different story. Win one for Chubb. Let's get it done. I hope they play with that attitude. The reason I bring that up is because I think that Mike Vrabel is a lot more Baltimore and Pittsburgh than he is Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] But, in terms of their offense, Tennessee is more aligned with Baltimore, not Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is not a run-first team.


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[Assistant] 31st in percentage of running plays. Well, they were down big in the entire week one. No, I hear. That's why this year you take with a grain of salt. But even last year they were middle of the pack, whereas the Titans and Ravens are top five. They won the ball.


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[Assistant] The Titans defense hasn't been as good the last couple of years as...


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[Assistant] You know, we think Pittsburgh or Baltimore are now, or at least Pittsburgh. I don't know.


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[Assistant] You know, you can't read too much into the numbers in terms of, you know, the statistics this year. Like the ranks this year are stupid. It's two games. You can go from 28th to probably 6th in one week at this point in the season if you play a really great game.


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[Assistant] Listen, there's no denying we're all in agreement here. The Titans are well coached. And that's the reason to some degree they've overachieved some of these years.


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[Assistant] His ties to Ohio and to this area in particular are a lot stronger than most people think. He is extremely proud of his heritage and his Ohio roots.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I was surprised that there wasn't some sort of a move to bring him here when they brought Stefanski in. I still think that, and I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but if they move on from Kevin,


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[Assistant] Mike Vrabel would be my list. Well, he's not gonna, it would be a lateral move. They're not gonna be able to- No, it wouldn't for him. Cause he's coming home. Yeah, but-


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[Assistant] He could. I would think that if he moves out of Tennessee.


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[Assistant] It would either be a premier job or it would be Ohio State or Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Yes, and I think also that the likelihood that he goes to Ohio State, I think the chances of that happening are probably greater than him coming to Cleveland. But if the cards fell the right way, say Ryan Day beats Michigan this year and there's zero talk now of moving on from Ryan Day.


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[Assistant] Yea, Schottheimer, Budd. They were all first timers. Tigliano. Yea.


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[Assistant] Everything in this regime with the exception of... No, actually Hugh Jackson was the second time. Yea, he was. Yea, you're right. Yea, he was. Hugh Jackson had an... Was... One year in Oakland. And was that kind of an...


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[Assistant] I mean, he did the whole year, he was 8-8, I think. But even when they made that move, I don't know if they called him the interim and said they were going to look at it after the season. No, he was the head coach. Yea, I'm pretty sure he was the head coach.


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[Assistant] So, I just, I just think that part of it is bringing people in that have done this before and not letting someone cut their first time teeth. I am a big believer in you learn from your mistakes and you're better the second time around. I do believe that. But that doesn't work in all cases.


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[Assistant] But I just think with experience and being able to take a step back and saying, I did this right, I did that wrong, I like how we did that, I probably could have been better at that. I just think the second time around, you get the label of retread.


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[Assistant] And now we'll see. He's got 15 more. We'll see. I don't think they're all going to be with Russ Wilson at quarterback either. I don't know when they could move on from him. They're stuck like, they're almost stuck with him like we are with Watson. Not quite as bad, but close. It's pretty, it's pretty neck and neck. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then obviously Pittsburgh, you know, I, I think that their best back is their second string back and it pretty much bore that out against us on Monday night.


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[Assistant] Uh, but it is what it is. We only have a short sample size, so we'll use it. The Browns run defense has been pretty good against it this year. They're fourth in the NFL. Derek Henry, who's normally near or at the top, yards per carry,


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[Assistant] Has not been the same guy yet. Started slowly last year and found his groove. So let's not write him off, but he's averaging 3.6 yards per carry. That's not even in the upper half. Now in fairness, even last year like


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[Assistant] Uh, and he's carried the ball 40 times. I'm nervous though. That's a test, no doubt. I'm not going to say that one side or the other has a clear edge and that they're going to stone him and I'm also not going to say that he's going to run for 180.


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[Assistant] He's going to get his yards. He's, he's going to get his yards. Maybe somewhere, his average right now is only 71 a game. I think he'll eclipse that. Don't know that he'll go over a hundred, but look, he's still Derrick Henry and he's going to be tough to stop. Right. And they did add DeAndre Hopkins, so I wasn't even thinking about the other day with Traylor Merckx.


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[Assistant] But uhm, so their wide receiving core is better. I like Traylon Burks. I think he's got potential. I haven't seen him enough to know how good he is. But with the Andre Hopkins is still a threat, certainly in the passing game. So it's not like you can completely ignore their passing game. Ryan Tannehill's not great.


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[Assistant] But, they've got talented guys. So, but, I think if you're the Browns, I think they're running, run defenses legit. I also think you have to continue to trust that your corners are good enough.


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[Assistant] Ultimately what Tennessee wants to do, even though they have good wide receivers. Yeah, I believe in the upgrades they made at defensive tackle. So therefore I believe in the, in the run defense and I think it will hold even in a matchup like this. I do think Henry's probably still getting his legs under him and he's just going to get better as a


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[Assistant] Oh, I think the, I mean, I'd say the Browns. I think the Browns are going to win the matchup. When you see my headline.


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[Assistant] You've given us a little bit of idea of where you're going. One thing that I want to do right now is tease what's coming up in our 1230 show because


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[Assistant] That matchup is going to be one to watch for sure, but we, all the three of us, will tell you what we think the matchup is, which one will decide the game. You know, is it, you know, Derrick Henry against the Browns interior defensive line?


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[Assistant] Is it the Tannahill arm against the Browns cover corners? We're going to pick the most pivotal matchup to watch. That's coming up at 1230.


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[Assistant] Over on WKYC Channel 3 here in Cleveland. If you're not in the Cleveland area and you still want to watch it, you can go to WKYC.com, click on the watch live button or what I recommend is downloading the WKYC Plus app.


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[Assistant] Over 300 more rushing attempts than Nick Chubb. And by the way, for all the complaints about Nick Chubb, Nick Chubb's like third in rushing attempts in the last four years. Maybe either second or third. Now, if you break that down, that's four years. Okay, that's four years.


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[Assistant] That's a significant difference. He's essentially played one more season than Nick Chubb in the last five years, if you add up the carries. Yeah. And Nick Chubb carries the ball a lot compared to both players. If Chubb carries it 18 times a game, he's carrying it 23 times a game. That adds up. It does add up. Those are all every, you know, you've got, the body has, and you've heard this before, the body has so many hits in it.


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[Assistant] It has so many, you know, you have so many miles. And you said that he's gonna hit a cliff. A lot of times at that position,


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[Assistant] It's one day it's there and the next day it's gone. I mean the list of running backs that were great, not good, but great for at least a year or two.


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[Assistant] And then we're out of the league two years later. There's guys that people have mentioned to me recently because we've been playing this, you know, the immaculate grid with football. So my buddy and I go back and forth on this. And there's so many guys just in the last decade that you're like,


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[Assistant] Wow, I forgot how good that guy was for a couple of years. And then flash and gone. Just like that.


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[Assistant] I don't, honestly, I'm not going to be a phony. I don't know enough about the type. I know Jeffrey Simmons is really good. Simmons is great and that's all I know too. Out of the rest, like, much, listen, Joe Mix in


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[Assistant] The Chargers don't run the ball a lot either. The Saints are a running team, but Alvin Kamara hasn't played yet. And Jamal Williams got hurt in that first game. It's tough to go on some total yards because it's two games and how those games played out.


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[Assistant] But real quick, Mike. Yes. In reality now with Nick Chubb out, the Titans have the edge of running back obviously. Yea, big time. Yea, they do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's pretty obvious. What else? How could you be confident in the offence right now? They're throwing, their passing game's been terrible.


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[Assistant] And, and Nick Chubb was able to make up for the deficiencies of the tackles.


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[Assistant] I don't know that Jerome Ford can do that. I don't know if there's many guys that can do that.


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[Assistant] That's calm. I'm terrified, terrified about a run game.


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[Assistant] Because I said this after the lost Monday night, when you become one dimensional, you're halfway to defeat. I don't think they're gonna be one, they're not, they're at least gonna attempt to not be one dimensional. Well, they're gonna try, but when Mike reads those numbers, that they're 2.7 yards per carry against them. Now granted, they didn't face Eckler when they played the Chargers, so I get that.


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[Assistant] It is what we have to go off of. They've been pretty stout against the run. We lost our run horse. We're bringing a guy in who last week was watching the game on Monday night with his feet up on the sofa just like us.


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[Assistant] And that's what scares me. So I am absolutely terrified that although I think we'll try to establish the run early, if you have a couple of quick three and outs because you're not being able to run the ball,


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[Assistant] Now if you panic when you threw a pick six, you're likely going to panic when you realize there's no chance you're going to run it all day, and that's when you become one-dimensional, and that's what scares me. Yeaah, I, they're confident in Jerome Ford.


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[Assistant] Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and we'll see how Jerome Ford looks on Sunday. By the way, this idea that it would be okay, obviously be better if Watson were average and not terrible. We'd all take that for now.


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[Assistant] And that's why I said earlier this week, I had as our ceiling, perhaps getting to the AFC Championship game with a healthy Nick Chubb. I've amended that now, but I would take that bull. I know ultimately the end game is to win a Super Bowl, and you've got five years to do it, four left.


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[Assistant] Let's just get an average to Sean Watson this year and an elite defense and maybe two playoff games and then next year try to get this guy jump started and back to who he was when he was in Houston and then if you can do that in year three, this contract suddenly doesn't look like an albatross.


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[Assistant] Yes, in theory, if it all goes that way, I would agree with you. I'm being extremely optimistic with my blueprint. Yea, I just don't buy that a mediocre Deshaun Watson is going to win them a playoff game, even with a really good defense. Because I think there's so many good teams in the AFC, and I know the Bengals are off to a bad start, and listen, if Burrows deal with the Cavs all year, they may just have a terrible year and whatever. Right.


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[Assistant] Kansas City's still there. I know Buffalo had a bad week one. They clobbered their opponent last week. You know, it's the Raiders, but still, they look more themselves. You know, sure.


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[Assistant] Wait, he's saying the Browns have the 7th rated offense?


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[Assistant] It's a good question. I've got an interesting answer to that. Do you guys want to go? My answer is neither. I don't want you. Jim Schwartz, I don't want him as the head coach. I want him to be the defensive coordinator. That's what he's great at.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I don't know who I want as the head coach, but I don't want the shot, I don't want my quarterback picking the coach. No. Good Lord, no. I mean, I, I want them to meet and be on the same page, but I don't want my quarterback picking the coach. No.


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[Assistant] Not picking the coach, but I think he would have a say in who the next coordinator is. Offensive coordinator. And that makes sense, he should. Here's what, if they move on, here's my fantasy world. It's not gonna happen. Uh, Jim Schwartz is the defensive coordinator.


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[Assistant] Society makes this mistake. They always assume, well, you're good at one thing, so you're gonna be great at the next thing. That's right. Uhm, look at the number of coaches that have come from the coordinator ranks that have flamed out infamously.


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[Assistant] Just couldn't do it. It's not for everybody. It really isn't.


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[Assistant] I think Kevin Stefanski in his one year as an offensive coordinator in Minnesota was pretty damn good. I think as a head coach he's been pretty damn mediocre.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think Swartz, we've seen him as a head coach.


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[Assistant] But, if you're gonna just scrub the decks and start all new next year, I'm going with...


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[Assistant] An offensive coordinator that calls plays, that has previous experience. I'm going with Swartz as my defensive coordinator. And I'm going with my head coach who is the CEO of the program. He's gonna run the whole thing. But he's not gonna be calling plays. Who is he? Again, most of the coaches call plays now. I'd go with Mike Vrabel if I had my pick.


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[Assistant] I think special teams, and I love Bubba, but I think special teams have underperformed this year. They have. Well, DPJ lost them in the lights. They lost those punts in the lights. But it might, I think, isn't it more for the reason so Schwartz can continue to just focus on the defense?


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[Assistant] I, I, odds on favorite is probably Schwartz. I just couldn't discount. Couldn't it be, uh, uh. AVP?


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[Assistant] Yeah. He's got a nice cushy position where he is. I think being the interim, I think that'd be best for the team because then the coordinators could stay where they are and Van Pelt would call the plays. But hopefully it doesn't come to this.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, can we start the show over? What does that mean we talked against the Browns? Wait, we need to- What does that even mean? We can't do that.


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[Assistant] And is this week the last chance for Deshaun Watson to prove he's the superstar the Browns thought they traded for?


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[Assistant] Listen, I'm number one of the funny rankings. Who are you kidding? Typhus? And the most reliable? The most correct? The smartest? The smartest? Definitely.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, there's no way you can't say Vrabel on this one. And I, and I know Jason too, are higher on Stefanski than the average Clevelander. But still, Mike Vrabel has consi- Now, Mike Vrabel, you can be very critical of his postseason.


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[Assistant] No, he wasn't fair. That's fair. You're right. Uh, Vrabel has two playoff wins better. He's been around longer. They've had some bad losses in the playoffs. However, he's never had a good quarterback.


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[Assistant] And yet they've won a lot of games there. Last year they fell apart in the second half of the season. We've never seen that before. Until like the midway point of last year, they've always been consistently good. And I don't think, I think they've overachieved their talent. So, I don't think there's any doubt Brable's the number one guy in this matchup.


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[Assistant] For me, it's Deshaun Watson against, you could say the whole secondary, but really the safeties of Tennessee. Because when you look at guys ending up, you know, Deshaun Watson needs a nice open pass, like where guys wide open down the field.


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[Assistant] Uh, ability to read what the safeties are doing on a play. The great quarterbacks


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[Assistant] We talked about this with Tyvis the other day. They see the safeties and they're able to figure out what's going on. The safeties are the tell for what the team is doing defensively. That matchup of Kevin Byard


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[Assistant] And, and, and the safety versus quarterback matchup and Deshaun Watson be able to read what they're doing and call the play accordingly to me is huge. Deshaun Watson needs to have a big game. He's way overdue.


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[Assistant] He sent me a tweet or sent us a tweet saying, the Browns fans should do the Trey Turner thing. Do you guys know what happened with him? No. It's probably, it's obviously, well, it's coincidence I think, but you know, people would. So Trey Turner signed this long term deal with the Phillies this year. Yeaah. And he was having a miserable season.


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[Assistant] To me, it's just coincidence. However, you never know in terms of a player's confidence. I think when Deshaun Watson is announced to the crowd.


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[Assistant] On Sunday, the entire stadium should give him a standing ovation. Everybody get it. You know, you want to boo him later because he stinks if that happens, okay. I can't do anything. But I'm saying, try to build this guy's confidence up.


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[Assistant] You look at Deshaun Watson, it feels like it's all a mental thing right now. I think everybody's got, the crowd's got to get up, stand up, and cheer, give them a standing ovation, try to build a little confidence.


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[Assistant] One other thing in terms of injury, James Hudson, their third tackle now with Jack Conklin out, he's questionable for the game. So we don't want him to play because it's already bad enough. But I don't even know who their next tackle is.


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[Assistant] Can you imagine guys, if I would have told you the day the Browns traded for Deshaun Watson, that going into his 9th game, we'd be worried that he couldn't throw for 250 yards. I hated the trade and I couldn't have even imagined that.


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[Assistant] To Kareem Hunt and his triumphant return to the Cleveland Browns. You're drunk on G's Kool-Aid.


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[Assistant] The job and everything else, I needed that win for personal reasons.


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[Assistant] So I bought this up on the post game yesterday, just wanted y'all thoughts on it real quick. It seems like to me that if I go back in time to the playoff game versus Kansas City with uh, Hollywood Higgins, if you go back


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[Assistant] Oh 201. We're gonna do a Hunger Games style. 212 with Aaron Rodgers jersey up there. They put it in. District 212.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you've been talking about it, you might as well get it. So I went on, I called, I went on, I went and got my, one of my guys said, listen, I need a Kool-Aid guy, but I need to pull here.


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[Assistant] One of the problems they had with Zach Taylor was, look, if you guys are gonna come out here, what are we doing when Joe is not having his best game? Obviously, he looked a little gimpy. Obviously, it was wet. They didn't know that it was gonna be like that. They weren't prepared for it.


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[Assistant] I just thought he adjusted more than what Zach Taylor did and said, okay, well let me go to my run package. Now in this game, when you talk about all them dudes being out, I'm sorry Pittsburgh, I'm sorry we had to do it to you. You're not sorry.


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[Assistant] Now Cam, you know, you was out there on the field and, uh, we talk about Jim Schwartz, we talk about what the defense looks like. Have you ever seen a stand up defensive tackle middle linebacker point guard dribbling through his legs looking to create and rest a pass at the same time?


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[Assistant] I would have been more alarmed if Joe Burrow came out and threw for 300.


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[Assistant] Uhm, PFF on their website says 90 is elite, 80 is good, 70 is above average, 60 is average, 50 is below average, 40 is poor, and 30 is very poor. Isn't that what we said? Well, 90 is elite. So, if you're anywhere near 90s is elite. There is a Browns player who graded


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[Assistant] Do you want to play? So here's the thing. So say for instance, Tyvis, right? Mhm. If...


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[Assistant] Tyvis played in the league. I did. And they go three receivers to the right side. There's only so many combinations they can have. And generally speaking those combinations stay true.


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[Assistant] When you give up upfront, see it's different. Upfront, if you give up a pressure, that counts.