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[Assistant] And they're both, and I literally opened a Twitter account, because I have his number. And I opened a Twitter account, and I messaged him, and I said, Lil Bra, I'm very proud of you. And I said, but what I just saw, I'm not happy with.


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[Assistant] If you ever met Nipsey and you ask him, he'd be like, yeaah. And he'd respond, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Who am I to say what somebody's DOC should be or what they, you know, I'm a person that goes home and we'll have a drink at home, you know, uhm, but any, listen, with the exception of weed, and I don't smoke weed though, uhm, from alcohol, Promephazine, meth, pills, you're gonna die.


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[Assistant] When you're gonna die, I don't know, it's like smoking a cigarette. Do you know what cigarette actually goes up? Let's give him cancer now.


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[Assistant] As intelligent as Nipsey Hateson was, as he was, he also was a, you know, element of the street. He was, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] You know, I loved what he was doing, but this is gonna weird you out, but I actually stopped listening to rap. You pull up next to me on my motorcycle, you know what you might hear?


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[Assistant] Uh, Oklahoma and one of the prospects where he's like, big cash, I'm president of McLean.


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[Assistant] I think like a lot of us, because he was my friend, he was my little brother, but I had stopped listening to rap. When I listen religiously now, you realize, he said some of the song, he said, uh, he named a cop that we all know and he said, uh, ball fade military crash unit.


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[Assistant] He was giving you the little message that that's the dude that was setting up all the homies from the hood. Whether he was doing good or bad, but if he was doing good, he's still, he's the one that called the raid on Nipsey's. Like, if you really listen, he gave away some of the best jewels of saying, look, this is what we go through. When he says, look, I ain't nothing like you, uh, fake that, whatever the song is, uhm, I ain't nothing like you other niggas or something, but, and then I'm sure the trolls will be like, you don't even know his songs. No, I knew him.


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[Assistant] But, he was... Have you noticed you listen more now that he passed? Oh, sorry.


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[Assistant] But he wasn't heavily in your playlist. When you listen now, what do you catch about him?


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[Assistant] You know, I used to always say this statement, I'm from the biggest crip hood and 60 niggas, I ain't never bought 60 in my records. Those are still my homies, but if that's what you're, so when he came out with, uh, hustle in the house, I sent him a message too, like,


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[Assistant] You're alienating your crowd. He still kept it hood. You pull up any of my old albums, anybody don't know me, I don't care.


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[Assistant] I was just one of those guys, I used to always say to me, I was just too literal.


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[Assistant] I really believe you're supposed to be a certain way. So, did I fuck my career off?


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[Assistant] No, cause I live well, but it didn't have the, that's why it feels fun right now doing what I'm doing, but it didn't have the longevity that it should have, cause I had everybody on my album.


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[Assistant] You know, Nipsey elevated. You know what I mean? Cats on the East Coast loved him.


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[Assistant] I was one of the first ones with a clothing store on Crenshaw. I had a clothing store on Crenshaw on 48th, across the street from Fat Burgers. Then it became Chris Burgers. And I knew what I was doing. I knew that...


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[Assistant] I'm gonna live by that. I don't give a fuck about getting critiqued or-


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[Assistant] I, I have Parkinson's, my, my, you know, I was hitting the, the soft lobe, so it went in.


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[Assistant] Pulled the scalp back. I mean that scalp pulled the back of my head back. You can stick your finger by that four on my head.


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[Assistant] Onyx was on the album. Ice-T was on the album. Bomb was on the album. Corrupt was on the album. I mean, everyone. Booyah was on the album. Jail Felony was on- and I was angry.


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[Assistant] And if I knew you ain't never bought no dope from me, if I couldn't validate that you was, that's what's crazy at the age now is like, people feel that I need to validate something.


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[Assistant] Well I know who's those cats behind me on my album.


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[Assistant] I know the cats in the photo ops. You know, I know that's Keita Rock standing on one side and CJ on the other side. Not CJ Mack, but CJ.


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[Assistant] Stan Shepard was probably one of the biggest cats over at Motown, and I remember him meetin' me, and he said,


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[Assistant] I'd like to take you from Sony and sign you over to Shepherd Lane. I'll give you 500,000. I swear this man, I'd die today and you hear about it. I went, I was sitting there. I got shot. I was in a wheelchair and I turned and I went, nah, cause I got fired. And plus you fuck with that red rag. That's how ignorant I was.


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[Assistant] My club is supposed to, you don't get along with this club, but at the end of the day, we got in it for a mutual thing. There's motorcycles. Uhm, by the way, I say motorcycle.


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[Assistant] What is the point in even banging your hood anymore if you're gonna do a song with a rival? Unless you're trying to prove a point. And if that point has been proven, stop banging your hood.


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[Assistant] When Gang first came out, who is someone I owe a huge apology to.


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[Assistant] Oh, I was treacherous. I got his brother sitting up at my beach. Remember when he was knocked out by what? Right. It's a video I've never released of him sitting on the fifth floor of my beach house with shadesheice telling the whole story about gang.


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[Assistant] 24 hours after he got knocked out. Knocked down. I was treacherous on game. And I remember one of the homies saying, well we fucking with cuz.


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[Assistant] I was like, why are we, why are we even doing this then if you cool because this dude's gonna make you some money? And that's always been the ignorance of this gang.


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[Assistant] YG came down to the store after Nipsey died. I'm sure you saw some of the, he had to come back later. Because tensions are still high. You have to understand in this world, some people ain't gonna forget.


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[Assistant] But what is the point in you still reppin' it? Because you just proved a different point. You're with someone else.


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[Assistant] But, yes, it is elevated. I had a very dear, dear big brother of mine, who's the word big homie. And I'm sitting out at my house, two and a half acres of land.


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[Assistant] I joined Instagram and he hit me and was like, you need to holla at me cuz. And I got excited because I love him like a brother, not a hood brother, a brother. And I stopped and I realized it was a little aggression in his post, his text or whatever, the message on Instagram. And I went, I'll let you about what?


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[Assistant] I realize I have disassociated myself with the negativity that I didn't understand that he just wanted to talk to me. You know, he needed to overstand something.


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[Assistant] Because my mind was like, right, my age, I'm not crippin'. Do I still catch myself doing so? Man, when Nipsey passed, I was, this was every day. But you have to come to realize some of those people don't want to leave that life. But where I'm at now, no, it ain't a war. I don't, I chose to go and sell drugs.


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[Assistant] I chose to tell myself I was taking care of my family. Well if the end result that I went to prison...


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[Assistant] And my ex-wife and my kids were living at their grandparents. How'd that work out?


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[Assistant] Right. And my child went five years without me in their life. You know, me being the dirtbag I was, I just found my youngest daughter three weeks ago.


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[Assistant] Her mother had every right, because in my mind it's like, no, I'm famous. I wasn't. I was famous by the eyes of, okay, if you were looking at that music shit, but I was still a dirtbag.


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[Assistant] If my daughters had to come to this big beautiful beach house and see another woman and go, okay, which one is she? You know, I wasn't setting a good example. So for the years I had to go without seeing my youngest daughter.


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[Assistant] And I gotta, you gotta take it slow because this street shit will set a dictation of how life is gonna go with your children.


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[Assistant] I will tell you this, never let this, like any advice, whatever it's worth, don't ever let this bullshit overdo the attention that a child needs.


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[Assistant] You know, to me, MC stands for man's club, not menstrual cramps. Women, I just, that's my, but testosterone and egos, maybe add a little bit of alcohol.


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[Assistant] If I hit you in your mouth right- If I hit you in your mouth and said, what you so pissed about? I hit you with my weak hand. Is that any more disrespectful than my right hand? So you're gonna remember that.


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[Assistant] Club who I've had a long standing relationship with saw me standing with a different club and it was 36 minutes of double dutching, like, who's taking off first?


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[Assistant] Smarter heads prevail and we all went home, but it's something in 50 years that's never happened. Just think of the two clubs I'm talking about without saying the names.


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[Assistant] And calmer heads prevailed. Did that end a war? No. Here's the difference. When you from a turf.


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[Assistant] Well, if you in Kansas back in 60s, you know, and I've seen guests that's like, oh, I'm from Hoover, I'm from this.


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[Assistant] In the motorcycle world, again, it's a dominance and it's usually about something in the past. I don't like you because you rode with that club. And at my age now, I'm like, well, I just, I don't have to give you no attention.


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[Assistant] Yes, and usually if you got a raggedy bitch, she's gonna hate on your woman. And if you got a hatin' ass window lickin' ass dude, he's gonna hate on you. And he is gonna do everything in his power to somehow get to you.


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[Assistant] Did this alone, you have your crew, you got your cats, but you still, you were the idea of this.


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[Assistant] Anybody that gets into the motorcycle world, you prospect. You know, for me it was like, man, I'm


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[Assistant] Big cat. So I had a prospect. I had the motherfuckers that couldn't tie my shoelaces calling me a prospect and... Okay. Alright, I got you.


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[Assistant] But at the end of the day, I got into it to ride my bike.


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[Assistant] Has a Mongo and a Vago agreed to do an interview with a whole nother club? And they're in my documentary. Go to YouTube, it's for free on there now. It's on Netflix, it's on Venmo. Life of a 1%er.


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[Assistant] When Rude Richie, one of the longest standing Vagos said, yeah, I know Gorilla. He was the only black member we ever had of the Vagos. For him to validate that, did something for black members of the club Gorilla ended up going to. Chose a few of the club I was in. You know what I mean? Vagos were like, we had a nigger in the club?


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[Assistant] Now, what change would I like to make? There's a detective out in Arizona. And never in my life did I think I'd A, be saying this on the air. This cat approached me. He's head of gang task force.


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[Assistant] I know you don't sit down with cops. I've seen your videos. You do not like law enforcement. I don't. The moment you take that oath to say you have more power over me, no. He said, so I said something to him, I said, but you guys are getting this wrong.


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[Assistant] Well, instead of ignoring me, would you be willing to sit down with me? Same way as that police chief said, the Nipsey was gonna sit down.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm saying it to that detective because he's gonna watch this. Of course I'll sit down with you.


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[Assistant] Because if I can get you to understand, when we turning left, we're actually still going right. We're going the right way. Now if you catch one dude with some meth on him, then fuck him up. Cause we gonna police him too afterwards.


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[Assistant] If you do some in a gang buster activity, then hey man, take that. But we didn't get together to do this as a gang.


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[Assistant] And if, you know, I now am a nomad for the rolling knights.


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[Assistant] One of the biggest, again, interracial clubs, predominantly Latino, but, you know, we're everywhere now. And when I chose to leave The Chosen Few,


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[Assistant] Man, it was hard. But I left for reasons that I just couldn't. It's like you being with an ex-girlfriend. She might have been amazing, but when you wake up to her, you just don't want to be around her.


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[Assistant] You know, trust me, we get posts from military dudes, y'all are pussies with a patch, pick up a gun and go shoot some Mexicans. What the fuck does that got to do with-


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[Assistant] You're not in a motorcycle club to be a gangbanger. And gangs didn't start out that way.


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[Assistant] Some, there's two different kinds. There's some that really believe in this lifestyle. You know, one percenter for me is just, again, I'm one percent, I'm one percent away from giving zero fucks. I don't want to go to church with you. I don't want to believe in what you believe in.


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[Assistant] You know, but back to those two, there's cats that join gangs because they need that, and there's cats that join motorcycle clubs that need that. When the shit hits the fan, it'll weed itself out. The ones who really, really, you know, when I can sit here and tell you I know a 72 year old man,


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[Assistant] You know, so yeaah, I don't, some people need that validation.


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[Assistant] 95% of the time you watch anything on YouTube of me. I'm always by myself.


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[Assistant] If I'm, I just did a cancer run because I had cancer, I did shit by myself. And I was saying, yo, you know, that club gonna fuck you up on sight.


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[Assistant] It means that it just didn't work with me, cause then it would be considered a gang. Once in, once never out, which is bullshit. But it just means, I've ran this course as long as I could. So now I'm here, helping these guys. And a nomad, I'm not tied to anybody.


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[Assistant] I don't, when I leave here, the whole controversy, motorcycle cats or gangs, when I leave here, I'm jumping in my car and I'm driving to Frisco, driving to Pittsburgh, California actually, to go watch a very, very well known mongo graduate because he's just got his degree.


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[Assistant] Don't be half-assed, cause I can't take that bullshit off my hand that you put on there once we shook it. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] So for me, does that mean I'm cool with, uh, mongols? They've always treated me fine, you know what I mean? But he's my dear brother. Shout out to LiveWire, who's graduating with a degree. Uhm, master electrician.


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[Assistant] Bike Week was two months ago, and if you go to my YouTube page, when you got a minute, it'll say, I got pulled over by Gang Task Force. I live in the most suburb, pancake-ass neighborhood you could possibly imagine.


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[Assistant] The bike week was, I mean the bike thing was 20 miles back the other way.


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[Assistant] But stand your ground in what you truly believe in. So my thing was always...


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[Assistant] I don't believe in guns, but I'ma definitely try to take your chin off if you feel that you're gonna mistreat me.


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[Assistant] You know, I have my license, I have my registration, I'm a taxpaying citizen, but I'm not gonna let you. You're gonna beat my ass.


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[Assistant] It's, it's gonna happen, you know. It's not gonna work out for me. But like I said earlier, just tell the story that at least he wrote a couple of y'all.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? It's law enforcement I'd rather have an overstanding with now.


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[Assistant] And to lose differently. I'd rather have an overstander with them now to say, look, let's sit down where you're getting this wrong.


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[Assistant] In the 40s, something happened in Hollister and Harley-Davidson said 99% of most motorcycle riders are law-abiding citizens. It's that 1%. That's literally been the story for 60-some years. That's not what 1% means.


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[Assistant] Put a beer in a fake dude's hand leaning on a thing and try to say that was a hells angel. That's not what happened. A one percenter is just somebody that says, look man, just leave me alone.


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[Assistant] You know, so for me, my lifestyle with law enforcement, do I want it to get better? No, I really don't. I want it to be a better understanding. If you've pulled me over 30 fucking times, could you pass on the 31st?


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[Assistant] You know, me having my gun rights back in Arizona, I'm always gonna be armed in Arizona. I can whoop three dudes ass. I don't know if I can whoop five.


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[Assistant] So somebody's gonna have to get an attitude adjustment.


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[Assistant] But I'm allowed, now that I got my gun rights back, to carry. And I'll tell you, it was dope. It was a certain law enforcement that checked for me. He didn't have to do that for me. He could have lied to me.


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[Assistant] You know, I beat it to death, but it was, I was selling dope downtown L.A.


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[Assistant] If you remember the New Jack City I had, I'm not glamorizing, but I kinda had it like that. The Huntington Motel was owned by a Middle Eastern dude who was also an addict. So I had the whole top floor.


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[Assistant] Wasn't, I got, started doing glass, not doing, I started selling glass, uhm, when people were doing crank.


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[Assistant] And I couldn't get people to buy glass because they couldn't smell it. So I'd be like, oh, just smoke it. Uhm, and I whooped on one of his boys real, real bad a few days before.


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[Assistant] Man, I saw him, I get out my car, and I always would keep balloons. You know, your fuse box.


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[Assistant] I would always keep balloons filled with heroin and angel dust. Uhm, PCP.


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[Assistant] And I go to pay for the Snickers, hand it to her, she can get my change. Like, what are you joking? And it was a torn 20. And.


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[Assistant] And he, you know, basically choked it down.


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[Assistant] There was a tailor shop right next door. Golden Huntington Motel, 9th and Main, that tailor shop is still there.


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[Assistant] I knew we were getting private lived up in Palmdale, beautiful cul-de-sac, paid cash for the house, all drug money. And I remember I was told we were getting new security.


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[Assistant] I stopped at Del Taco and I remember trying to call my wife at the time and my phone was off. I was like, I'm the fucking phone, how's it off? So I just buy a bunch of food.


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[Assistant] And I pull up and I see this gray card and I'm thinking, oh that must be security. And he's, you know, doing the...


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[Assistant] Not a care in the world. That's how careless you get when you start making money. The clothing store was just the front. And as I'm walking, I hear, Eland. My name's Elon Beals. Eland.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I go inside, my wife was preg- she was pregnant, she was due that day. I just remember it was on the 9th, I don't remember what day. But she was supposed- she was supposed to have the baby around that day.


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[Assistant] If you watched Life After the Penitentiary and I did a movie called Glass, they actually interviewed the detectives. Lazybone plays my brother in the movie, uhm, it's on Netflix, uhm, it's called Glass. And they interviewed the real detectives that arrested me.


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[Assistant] Take the fuckin' and this little prick female cop walks towards me and she, you shut the fuck up, you don't run down and I kicked her in the face. Do you know...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, but yeah, I ended up pleading assault with deadly intent. Shout out to Bradley Sandler. If you need a good attorney, hit up Bradley Sandler.


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[Assistant] He was, we still is, Quick's attorney, Sugarfree's attorney, Nate Dawg's attorney. He worked on the defense team with Snoop.


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[Assistant] About a year. And Burbank Court. I'm sorry, Glendale Court.


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[Assistant] You know, cause when you have a good lawyer, they gave me 30 days to turn myself in, and I remember calling him, I'm like, yo, that's cool, man, fuck, one year. You know, no, no, no, no, yes.


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[Assistant] And I ended up getting four years, ten months, and if you're ever at the McDonald's on Century and Prairie, it's right down the corner, been there for years, across the street from the horse track, it looks like there's a hotel across the street.


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[Assistant] And then I had a five year joint suspension that I violated all the way up in two. With the success of Bone Tugs in Harmony and my own success.


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[Assistant] You know, it sucks ass. Within a week you have a taste in your mouth that you just can't get rid of. A taste. It's just like aluminum type.


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[Assistant] Cause it's tunneled in fake air. It's not even air conditioning. It's like a swamp cooler.


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[Assistant] So you just have this taste, this dry taste in your mouth at all times. Uhm, I just remember I couldn't wait because I had to learn. I had to learn the process. I couldn't wait to get, I think I got transferred. First I went from the county.


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[Assistant] And anybody that knows the tattoo on my right arm, you ain't walking into a tattoo parlor going, hey, you got a picture of Old Folsom? And...


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[Assistant] If he's Puerto Rican, we're everything with him, he's not with us. And Blacks was like, cause you a Mexican? I'm like, there's an X in there.


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[Assistant] Right. I said, Ken, S is at the end. Uhm, but because I'm from the 60s, I, you know, obviously we know what, you know, why I politic.


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[Assistant] Unless you're trying to do it while you're there in jail, but I, I went in being known as, oh that's Cass from 60s.


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[Assistant] But if you're gonna program, what I always hated though was the race bullshit.


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[Assistant] You know, the new single I have, Real One in the Sky, the Nipsey Hussle tribute, I say, black, white and brown, we all from the same town, neighbors.


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[Assistant] Blacks are so quick to talk about the crab bucket mentality, you know. You get in, trying to pull up, somebody else is pulling your leg, and Dick Gregory, the comedian, and I may rest in peace, and he said, well, who put you in the bucket?


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[Assistant] Because usually we're, you know what I mean? And for blacks and Latinos to still to this day have issue.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna have whites when I'm gonna start hating the woman who, you know, gave me birth.


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[Assistant] I didn't do it from Grape Street. I was in a dorm.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I got stabbed in my back. He stabbed me in my back, my tricep.


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[Assistant] Wow. But he could have killed me. Right. Cause he couldn't take the fade. 165 pounds, I wore his bitch ass out. So while I'm on top of him, you know, they did what they did.


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[Assistant] I was winning. He was, he was night night. It was, it was, you know, and I, you feel like you're getting punched when you get stabbed and that's, you know, what I thought it was.


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[Assistant] You know, and then the other fight was a quick one with just a cat that we just had some words in the kitchen and...


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[Assistant] The number two biggest independent album in the country. Number one was Cash Money.


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[Assistant] This is in 2000. And people were still like, who's cat?


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[Assistant] I was under the mentality that I could always just go back to selling dope.


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[Assistant] So when I tried the music thing, I'm like, wait, so what happens? I don't get the rest of my money or, you know, the story of me having MC search from third base beat up. And that's a true story. I don't need to twist that. It's not dry snitching. He owed me 13 grand. My deal was with MC search.


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[Assistant] He owed me the balance of my, uh, advance. Cause it was quick. They gave me a hundred thousand to do the album, I did the whole album in ten days.


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[Assistant] With all those names I mentioned. Well give me the rest of my money.


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[Assistant] And I ended up catching another assault case, going to jail, big rage, bells me out. I'm supposed to be in Miami to accept.


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[Assistant] That me and Jail Felony had a single called Pop Up. It was number one at Power 106. It was beaming up in New York. New York was playing it. Uh, Red Alert was playing it. Big Cap was playing it. And I go and catch a case.


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[Assistant] And I'm, like, you couldn't go down Crenshaw. I wouldn't give a fuck if you was Ice Cube. I took my posters and re-plastered them. Remember sniping?


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[Assistant] Yeah, name escapes me. Uhm, Adam Levy and Morris Levy.


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[Assistant] Frankie Lyman was signed to Morris, Morris would stick his name on there, his son didn't, the fruit didn't, the dirt bag piece of shit didn't fall, fall from the tree.


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[Assistant] And he was outside of Justin's in New York. I got the call and I said, and my check, the money was in my account the next day. Where the turn was, I was back to doing the same street, facilitating women, blah, blah, blah. And I remember being in Arizona on a travel pass and there was no show there. And I got pulled over and it was detective, uh, no,


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[Assistant] I didn't have no rights then. And I'm backing out and a regular cop pulls over and I'm like, the girl I'm with, I'm like, bro, you know, I'm on a travel pass. We have a show out here. You have to carry it itinerary with you. And he said, I said, hey, do you mind if I pulled you over?


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[Assistant] When he said, there's, Adam, a bullshit you're not, my testicles went, fuck this, and just went back inside, he said, oh I'm not here for you, you gotta wait for ATF.


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[Assistant] Think it echoed, Momo sure did when he said ATF. And I just went, holy shit. He pulled me out the car, interrogated her, interrogated me, found the gun that we bought that I bought for her.


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[Assistant] And he said, I just went on through your paperwork. You're a known, this is around 2006, 2007. He says, you're in 2006. He goes, you're a pretty well known, you know, guy, typing your name. He goes, you got a hell of a rap record, but you're a rapper.


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[Assistant] Even though I was like, oh, but if they watch the transaction, they watch me pull, note to self thugs, do not hand cash if you're a felon to a white girl, black girl, Asian girl, nothing because you just did the transaction when you hand her the cash.


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[Assistant] She wants a gun, let that bitch buy it, you wait outside. Or just don't be there, period. But he woke me up.


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[Assistant] And that's when life started changing. And then it just, you know, the Tupac Masters, I started buying catalog.


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[Assistant] Fat pig, Reg, the cop, you know, he'll, he'll deny it all. Uhm, but I was in possession, nine tenths of law's possession. This catalog was already supposedly sold and never turned in.


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[Assistant] The part that always blows me away is when people are like, a negative root.


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[Assistant] And they gave Shook ten million dollars for the POC catalog and he didn't turn it in. And then they were saying dads had it. No, I had all of it. All, I didn't just have POC, I had all of Death Row.


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[Assistant] It's enough to say that whatever is not, uh, here's how it works. This keyboard.


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[Assistant] If somebody can't show you the original blueprints for this keyboard, but they do know somebody else made it, but you're in possession of it.


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[Assistant] You didn't steal it because they can't prove they have the patent or the blueprint. So, nine tenths.


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[Assistant] So what I did, I knew, I could never put out the stuff that belonged to Interscope. I could never put out the stuff that belonged to Koch. So I sold it back to him. And gave it back to him. And literally before we left New York.


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[Assistant] Steve Lobel was with me when we, he called Swarm from Interscope and we cut the check and it was in my account later that day while I was still in New York. Koch, I was already in New York and did the deal with them. And since then, I ended up meeting with Molly, cause I didn't know what to do with her after that. I was like, the fuck am I doing with this?


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[Assistant] When I say Steve, Steve Lobel, Sean Kingston, you know, Molly Ballentine's Army, I had a ranch out in Arizona at first and she comes out with a cop, you know, who's off duty, her bodyguard or whatever.


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[Assistant] I still have not gone through all of it. That's how much stuff, that's how much work this dude would do.


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[Assistant] She showed up with like this holy grail of all the masters. Because Pac would do four versions of every song.


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[Assistant] So she's going through it and she's looking at my stuff because I'm not going to go, Oh, go through it and get back to me. Literally it took three days. They were in town till she realized, no, these, this is it. These are those tapes that people were talking about that were at the death row office that were not turned in. And that's how it started. Right now Bruno Mars or anybody else.


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[Assistant] If someone produced for MC Pookie before he became Big Pookie, well that dude probably ain't got no money no more, but he got those old songs.


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[Assistant] So the Bruno Mars came about, somebody hit me, said, hey man, this dude used to work, and I bought those.


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[Assistant] Dude, had some neo stuff. The Rick Ross came about because I knew a cat in Jacksonville, Florida that had bootsie.


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[Assistant] His mom kinda pulled it, I could, I could fight it and win, but it's like yo, dude's dead.


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[Assistant] If anything, shit, be happy that I'm putting your stuff out. They still get their royalties. I don't, I don't, there's no dirt bagging me in that at all.


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[Assistant] And I own some very, very, very well known, there's only a few big artists out in the south in Memphis. So just kind of put two and two together.


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[Assistant] Oh, till I'm fucking nine, if I make it to that, but uhm, they cease and desist.


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[Assistant] And the way it works, so people don't understand, when you do a cease and desist, they pull everything off. You're proving guilty first.


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[Assistant] Yes, iTunes, well back then it was just iTunes and it was record, it was distributors, you know. So if Navar Distribution, who's the buyer of, who does all the shipping out to all the stores, gets a cease and desist, well they'll contact SelectoHits and say, hey man, this dude is, you know what I'm saying, that belongs to him.


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[Assistant] And you're the best artist. I could not get a check back then. And when that happened, I had to start being more careful because again, if you catch an MC Pookie and he broke, but it Spice One was one of the first cats I started cashing out.


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[Assistant] That he did a deal with and they said that music was supposed to belong to them. In the end, I still won, but it still stopped my money for about six months.


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[Assistant] So I get cats like, yo Kaz, can you teach me the catalog game? There's no catalog game. I just... Like that's not shit you're gonna do today. You know what I mean? I just have enough catalog to last me forever.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? That's, you have to forget. I mean, Rick Ross toured with us and it was us, Mack 10, us, Mack 10, Bone Thugs and Harmony, Mack 10, Rick Ross, oh and Young Jeezy. I have a shitload of Young Jeezy.


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[Assistant] Understanding, like if you do a mixtape and you're giving it out for free, that's public. So how you gonna say somebody can't make money off it when you gave it away for free?


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[Assistant] I never did that, but I know labels that did do that. You know what I mean? Smaller independent distributors.


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[Assistant] It's easier now because I don't have, all I do when I fill out my, I'm distributed by Ingros. Universal. And Empire, I have a deal over there with Gazi also.


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[Assistant] So, you have a deal, did you have a deal? No, you were somewhere else.


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[Assistant] So if you get to the bottom when you're submitting, it always says withhold royalties. Click yes, because if you click fucking no,


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[Assistant] That artist can hit you when you're fucked. You're not gonna see that check for a while. If you ever see it.


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[Assistant] So I make sure I put that person's name and it's BMI or ASCAP's job to find them. It's not my job.


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[Assistant] So that's what I've been doing. This new thing I'm doing, literally,


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[Assistant] There's two of the biggest outlaw motorcycle sports bar in Cave Creek. I ran into this cat that was singing some sublime song. Big ol' Swole Peckerwood. And he's singing these sublime songs. I'm like, who the fuck is this dude? Find out he's the owner.


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[Assistant] When Nipsey passed, I said, man, I want to do this song. You sing, can you come sing the hook? And I didn't know he rapped. And I never thought about coming out of retirement. It's like you asked me if I moved back from Arizona. And I was like, nah. And we were in the studio and we left with like the Nipsey joint.


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[Assistant] Uh, the wrong way, kick it. We let, we did three songs in one day. He's one of those cats that he's well off, I'm well off.


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[Assistant] Only did one song, so I've always owned that name. I was like, head knockers, you big old white boy ride bikes, and I do it. And...


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[Assistant] Do I wanna get back into the music business? Fuck. No. I don't think I ever wanna perform.


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[Assistant] If it can make him money because he's one of those cats that he was from a small town in Arizona, very talented, this motherfucker was singing Purple Rain and I'd almost lost it. Like, nigga, you big ass just hit them notes. But, this is my man KP. But go to Cave Creek and see that it's a multi-million dollar, two different bars that are, you know how you got Coyote Ugly?


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[Assistant] My place is called Beers and Wings. Let me know. Give me alerts on Ross going with Netka right here in Connecticut.


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[Assistant] Other than that, I pick and choose when I want to put some catalog out.


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[Assistant] Eight more remastered and re-digitally mixed with real music connoisseurs. Man, I need that.


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[Assistant] That's how it always works. I'm sure I'll be meeting Molly. I can tell you with a thousand percent guarantee, I'm probably in possession of at least, just for me and her last meeting a few years ago.


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[Assistant] No less than a hundred more unreleased songs. Pac would go into the studio and as long as he had weed, whatever else he did, this guy would just say, turn the beat on. Like I was the first person to hear, let's get it on with Grand Puba, Biggie, Pac and Heavy D and Smith and Wesson. I'm still in possession of that.


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[Assistant] I'm, and it's, it's not like he didn't know, they were all in studio together, and I still to this day have that single.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? That's, cause it don't belong to nobody. It's in my possession. You know, people ask me, will I ever sell the Pacmasters? I don't know. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] It's, look at all my records. I'm the only guy, you know I'm the only artist in history that has a song with Biggie and Pac on it.


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[Assistant] If you pull up the Just Blaze beat I am that me and E-40 did, I put an unreleased Biggie and unreleased Pac. Name me one other artist that has that.


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[Assistant] Wow. I'm in Sweden. Me and Slash, Matt, we did a joint together.


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[Assistant] I've done some things that most motherfuckers would be like, wow, and for me it was like, alright, that was cool. But the Tupac stuff, I don't want to, even though I didn't like him, even though I wasn't a fan of his, I don't want to demoralize his name by just throwing bullshit out.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Bruno Mars, baby, uh, can't come back to me. It's Lazy Bone and Bruno Mars. I've only done one Bruno Mars. I've got about 13 more songs done. I mean left that are unreleased.


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[Assistant] But when I first was Cease and Desist, they didn't cease and desist me on the song. They cease and desist me and said I couldn't. His name's not Bruno Mars.


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[Assistant] You know, some other crazy ass shit. They said I couldn't use it. In the end I won, because I could use it.


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[Assistant] He originally did the beat. He gave me the beat in 2009. It was a Stevie Wonder ribbon in the sky. I was gonna call this song Crippin' in the Sky.


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[Assistant] When we went for the clearance, JoBethMusic, which is Stevie Wonder, won it 100% of the public- I'm sorry, they won it 50- they won it 100% of the song. The music.


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[Assistant] Even though he put beats over it, so that meant take his publishing and take 100%, you know, Stevie's. And then they wanted 50% of the writers.


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[Assistant] What am I, you know, we're like, well I'm giving up all my proceeds to a charity anyway for the Nipsey song.


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[Assistant] When the producer decided, you know, I'm giving the beat to somebody else.


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[Assistant] Who the fuck are you giving it to? It's been in my email since 2009.


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[Assistant] The video went up. I got, you know YouTube, I got a, what is it, you get a check or you get a...


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[Assistant] But this was like a, you're getting your first, you know, and you get two more, you duvo. And I'm like, what the fuck? But I can't, first it was like,


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[Assistant] Whoever you gave this to, which I know who he gave it to, I said, this dude ain't gonna never fucking put a song out, but you getting caught up in the sauce thinking it'll happen. This is out. Nope. I'm sitting at my clubhouse Sunday night.


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[Assistant] And I get an email from YouTube saying, the song's been reinstated, blah, blah, blah. I deleted it and put a whole different remix on there. Cause now you can't make nothing. If I was a dirtbag, I would have kept it. It was like, I don't want it. Right. Cause I still would have had to pay Stevie Wonder. So my man Shorty's cat, Latino cat, from the south, does that uh, what's the music they call in the south?


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[Assistant] New kid, his name's Shorty. Bad little motherfucker. And a red rag, and a blood.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Uhm, so it's, it's a game like that. The whole thing is to be careful. Don't get cease indices. You know what I mean? Cause Spotify and iTunes will not fuck with you anymore.


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[Assistant] It's all streaming shit, yeaah. And, you know, whether it does a billion streams and you get a million dollars off that, be happy.


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[Assistant] I always tell the record business story when cats are like, man that's my music, I believe in this.


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[Assistant] If you got a weed habit, you just fucked off half your chance right then and there.


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[Assistant] And they give you a $10,000 advance, then the rest goes towards the record and shit like that. You have $10,000 for the seven years you've been trying to get put on. Hosea Jack in a Box has made that four times.


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[Assistant] Like, how are you complaining? The game is so easy now. I, I was taught, there's a company in Arizona called 101 Distribution owned by Damon Evans. Brilliant. Brilliant. Flood the game. Flood the, don't put one fucking record out.


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[Assistant] Put a hundred out. Because there's a billion songs on iTunes. How they gon' find you?


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[Assistant] You know, I got that one. Okay, let me know how they find you.


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[Assistant] To Leilani, the radio rep who does radio, I gotta shoot her money. Then I gotta come up with another 10 grand to make sure the DJs are good.


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[Assistant] This is literally like two cats that ain't never met that's sitting at a fucking coffee bar and it was like, that's your bike out there?


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be coffee involved, but we had a bar, and we just shot the shit.


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[Assistant] Weed, and it was about you and your old lady and your first threesome. I'm sure you have been following. And...


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[Assistant] And what you've managed to pull off, I applaud you. You know what I mean? I, I, I live a life.


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[Assistant] I don't look at a car and go, I gotta have that look at a car and go, ah, you know, over and over and over again. I watch you and I have not watched you floss not one fucking time. You know what I mean? Stick with that.


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[Assistant] You know, so you allowing me to come here, man. Whatever. This was just shooting the shit. I'm not sitting here going, yeah, but the album. Yeah, but the album. We just shot the shit.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you. You know what? I'll tell you what. And it'll be on my dime. You want to come out to Arizona?


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[Assistant] But I will tell you, when you come to Arizona, I'll tell you the same thing Dr. Dre did with Demiza. Dr. Dre asked Demiza to break.


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[Assistant] The white boy who was Eminem. And he said, tell me the NWA story. Here's what I vow to you. And I swear this on my kids when I die today. I'll say it again. I never told the whole story.


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[Assistant] And I'ma show you the pictures. Why you? Because...


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[Assistant] I don't do, with the exception of the other cat I did something with, that was just growing up in LA.


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[Assistant] You know, he asked me about dating Sammy the Bull, Gravano's daughter, no weird shit like that. This has just been cool.


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[Assistant] And I'll show you video that nobody has seen on Tupac. Wow, really? That will change the whole fucking story. And I'll give you a hint. For every video shot, just know there's another one that had nothing to do with Death Row.


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[Assistant] You know, if you're an asshole, then accept that. I hope people just go, hey man, he's a high dude.


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[Assistant] Why did you show your show? It's a trailer run in almost fifteen thousand participants.


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[Assistant] Life is expensive and flights are expensive and sometimes- And you're working and- Yeaah, I work two jobs and, you know, she's a teacher and we both live how we can and try to get by and- So why did you-


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[Assistant] We knew that this was incredibly consequential and that it was super important that we get it right.


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[Assistant] So we thought it was very possible that the door could be barged down at any moment.


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[Assistant] He would often put a blanket over his head when he wanted to enter the computer system to prevent overhead cameras from picking up the passwords to the encryption.


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[Assistant] What this document revealed is that the NSA surveillance system is not directed at very bad people or about terrorists. It's directed at the American citizenry and other citizenries around the world indiscriminately in bulk.


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[Assistant] Watching President Obama's top national security official go before the Senate Intelligence Committee, an outright lie.


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[Assistant] About what the NSA was doing. Convinced him, I think beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the only hope for public discussion and reform was for him to do what he was going to do.


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[Assistant] Obama was saying the NSA isn't listening to the telephone calls or reading the emails of Americans, which is absolutely wrong.


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[Assistant] Of the true magnitude of what was coming, given how dismissive and casual his tone was.


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[Assistant] That he was going to have to go into hiding because the media horde was about to descend onto Hong Kong and would be looking for him and the US government would certainly be looking for him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and there was definitely a kind of air of sadness over our last meeting because


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[Assistant] I had assumed that the next time I saw him he was going to be in US custody on a television screen.


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[Assistant] He ended up in Russia for one very simple reason.


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[Assistant] And that is that the United States government forced him to stay there by preventing him from leaving.


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[Assistant] She has the deputy head of the NSA and the White House on the phone and they essentially are trying to persuade her not to publish.


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[Assistant] Snowden was sitting with three people under contract from The Guardian. They were sitting there on the bed watching, uhm, the reaction on CNN.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they were cooperating with a secret program that they really couldn't describe in sufficient detail to their customers.


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[Assistant] There was that one slide, the internal NSA slide, showing a little diagram how it worked. It sort of boasted about it, and it put a little smiley face there. It's this little, you know, like emoji gotcha.


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[Assistant] You know, saying, you know, haha, you know, we, we, we, we figured out a way to get that information.


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[Assistant] I think it's the most effective product the internet has ever seen. Google's ads were so effective that all of a sudden their problem was hiding how much money they made so that Microsoft and other competitors didn't come after them.


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[Assistant] And try to figure out if there was a relevant ad they could show you alongside the mail.


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[Assistant] And Google tried to assure them, really, no, no, it's not people. You know, we're just scanning the mail. Other places scan your mail for spam. You know, so we're really not even doing anything different by that. We're just showing you ads. And a lot of people just felt it was creepy.


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[Assistant] They really became the most powerful company in the internet ad world after that. One Google executive told me that they made a staggering, that was his word, amount of money from tracking where you'd been on the web.


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[Assistant] That meeting was supposed to be mainly about healthcare.gov, but the tech officials refused to go along with that agenda and they made the NSA stuff the number one subject there and they, you know, expressed pretty clearly.


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[Assistant] How unhappy they were with the position that they'd been put in.


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[Assistant] Like, two bottles and like a whole thing of conditioner.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we're just like constantly expanding, trying to put out new content. Uh, the last video was with Wiz Khalifa, I did the treatment and everything, so it was really cool to see it like, brought to life and shit.


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[Assistant] DJ Fu, we met, uh, through HitWave, but he's, he's Lil Xan's manager. So he was, he was like the plug on that part of the, uh, swimming.


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[Assistant] Right. That's how I met, uh, Zan. And then, uhm, you know, Igor, he's my, uh, engineer. He works with Hitway. And then, uhm, that's how I met Trippie, cause he's his engineer, so.


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[Assistant] All in all, like, more expanded. So, the last song on my set tomorrow is gonna be the first single off my new project. It's called Waiting. Yeah, it's gonna be fire. It's new, it's different, but I think it's better.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm thinking of names, I really like, I like one that's gonna stick, I think, but I don't know if I should share yet.


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[Assistant] Right now, we're about to head to this show that our boy Cole Bennett is putting on. Cole Bennett is the founder of Lyrical Lemonade, which is basically like the hip hop success story on YouTube of 2017 aside from yours truly. I gotta say, he's got like 1.5 million subscribers and he's got, he like, I'm not gonna say he like broke.


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[Assistant] Any of these dudes, but like a ton of dudes out there, basically would credit their careers to, to Cole Bennett being a huge factor in it. Uh, Lil Xan, Famous Dex, Lil Pump, like he basically helped to blow up all those dudes. So tonight, Lil Xan, Lil Skies, D Savage, Steve Cannon, Shoreline Mafia, we rolling out at the Regent Downtown. Alright, let's go.


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[Assistant] The biggest leak of government secrets ever began in December of 2012.


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[Assistant] With a single email delivered to an IP address in Rio de Janeiro.


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[Assistant] Guardian newspaper columnist and blogger Glenn Greenwald didn't pay much attention to the email.


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[Assistant] Through sophisticated encrypted messages, Verax promised an unprecedented scoop, but it came with a warning.


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[Assistant] Barton Gelman, worried about a secret meeting in a foreign country like China, decided not to.


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[Assistant] That spring, Glenn Greenwald arrived in New York to deliver a speech.


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[Assistant] They were joined by Ewan McCaskill, a veteran Guardian reporter.


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[Assistant] Once they were finally airborne, Hoytress thought it was safe to share with Greenwald something the source had securely sent to her.


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[Assistant] In Hong Kong, Ringwald and the others traveled to a hotel in Kowloon.


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[Assistant] Edward Snowden led the group upstairs to his room.


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[Assistant] At one point, Guardian reporter Ewan McCaskill sent a text message to his editor in New York, Janine Gibson.


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[Assistant] The documents Snowden delivered revealed the history and details of one of the United States government's most closely guarded secrets. It was known as the program.


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[Assistant] At the White House, there was chaos. A near total evacuation.


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[Assistant] Almost immediately, Cheney directed his lawyer David Addington to prepare the case for the president to exercise his unilateral authority as commander-in-chief.


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[Assistant] The NSA had overstepped, spied on Americans.


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[Assistant] Caught and restricted by Congress, the domestic spying apparatus went dark for more than 20 years.


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[Assistant] Tenet, whose own agency was designing covert operations against Al-Qaeda, called General Hayden.


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[Assistant] He put his arm around General Hayden, called him his childhood nickname, Mikey.


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[Assistant] It would gather data on the phone calls and internet traffic of hundreds of millions of Americans, then search it for suspicious connections. But he was worried about whether it was legal.


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[Assistant] Hayden left the White House knowing that the program was bound to be controversial.


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[Assistant] On October 4th, in a secret signing with Cheney.


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[Assistant] The president officially authorized the program.


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[Assistant] General Hayden had heard exactly what he needed. Article 2. The president's authority as commander-in-chief.


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[Assistant] Now the massive collection of data could begin.


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[Assistant] Only a small handful of NSA employees knew what the president had authorized. Most were kept out of the loop, including this man.


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[Assistant] Drake had no idea what had been going on between Hayden and the White House. He had been given a different task.


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[Assistant] He started by digging around inside the deepest reaches of the NSA's secret R&D programs.


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[Assistant] A program that could capture and sort massive amounts of phone and email data was the brainchild of veteran crypto mathematician Bill Binney.


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[Assistant] The experimental program could monitor massive amounts of data.


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[Assistant] But the encryption would protect the privacy of individual Americans. He took it upstairs to the top deck.


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[Assistant] Baginski was Drake's immediate superior, the third highest ranking official at NSA.


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[Assistant] Dozens of NSA employees were sworn to secrecy. But before long, details were leaked to Drake.


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[Assistant] At the same time, Bill Binney and the ThinThread team heard that the program was using ThinThread but stripping out the privacy protections.


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[Assistant] Even Ed Loomis, who had wanted a more robust approach, was surprised at how far the agency was willing to go.


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[Assistant] To the ThinThread team, collecting data without a warrant seemed like a direct violation of the rules they had followed for years.


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[Assistant] And the fact that their thin thread system had been incorporated into the program was the last straw.


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[Assistant] At the end of October 2001, Bill Binney, Kirk Wiebe, and Ed Loomis all quietly retired. Tom Drake stayed behind.


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[Assistant] That fall, Bill Binney took an extraordinary step.


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[Assistant] He decided to break ranks to take the matter to Congress.


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[Assistant] Diane Rourke was a top congressional intelligence staffer.


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[Assistant] Goss was the powerful chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence and future CIA director.


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[Assistant] Benny and Rourke decided it would be safer to meet away from her congressional office.


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[Assistant] What Rourke did not know was that in October, the White House had invited a small group of congressional leaders to a secret briefing in the vice president's office. General Hayden led the briefing.


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[Assistant] But as open as Hayden says he was, he and the vice president's office created strict conditions for the briefing.


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[Assistant] Some now feeling they were unable to exercise effective oversight of the program.


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[Assistant] Finally, Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss had had enough.


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[Assistant] Rourke was summoned to the top deck at the NSA to meet with Director Hayden.


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[Assistant] Tam would work with one of the most secretive institutions in Washington, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the FISA Court.


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[Assistant] Under the reforms, the NSA could conduct surveillance inside the United States only if the FISA court issued a warrant.


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[Assistant] And inside the Department of Justice, it was Thomas Tam's job to prepare warrants for the FISA Court.


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[Assistant] But then as Tam began working on terrorism cases, he discovered something surprising. Evidence of the program.


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[Assistant] Tam learned that hardly anyone at the DOJ knew details about what was going on.


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[Assistant] Tam and others of the DOJ, unaware of the secret presidential order, wondered if Attorney General Ashcroft was doing something illegal.


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[Assistant] Tam says he tried to take his questions up the chain of command without success.


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[Assistant] Eventually, Tam decided to take a risky step.


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[Assistant] The White House got involved in filling an important vacancy at the Justice Department.


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[Assistant] Goldsmith became the new head of the Office of Legal Counsel.


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[Assistant] Before long, Goldsmith headed for David Addington's office. It was time to learn about the program.


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[Assistant] As he read the document, Goldsmith began to have grave doubts.


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[Assistant] Goldsmith discovered that as part of the program, the government had been tracking data about the emails of tens of millions of Americans. He said you can't justify it.


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[Assistant] For Cheney, Addington, Gonzalez, Hayden and others, the personal stakes at this moment were extremely high.


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[Assistant] Ashcroft was supposed to sign a reauthorization of the entire program every 45 days. And for two and a half years he had. But now he bogs.


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[Assistant] Then, just hours later, Attorney General Ashcroft collapsed, suffering from severe pancreatitis. James Comey was now the acting Attorney General.


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[Assistant] In the wake of the hospital confrontation, at the White House, Cheney insisted the president should act on his own.


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[Assistant] But the White House wondered, would General Hayden go out on a legal limb and continue the program?


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[Assistant] That afternoon, President Bush reauthorized the program.


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[Assistant] At the Justice Department, Jack Goldsmith prepared his resignation letter.


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[Assistant] Dozens of top DOJ officials threatened to join him, including FBI Director Mueller and even Acting Attorney General Comey.


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[Assistant] The President decided to have a private talk with Acting Attorney General Comey.


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[Assistant] The warrantless email data collection was shut down. The crisis was averted. But at the White House, they were determined to resume it.


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[Assistant] Collor Cotelli's secret ruling relied on a controversial interpretation of a 25-year-old Supreme Court case.


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[Assistant] Tam had not been aware that Jack Goldsmith and the top echelon at the Department of Justice had nearly resigned.


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[Assistant] One dramatically out of character for the son and nephew of high-ranking FBI agents.


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[Assistant] One day on his lunch break, he slipped into a Washington subway station.


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[Assistant] He used a payphone to make an anonymous call to the New York Times.


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[Assistant] Lishpla will not confirm that Tam was a source, but acknowledges receiving a tip from an anonymous source.


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[Assistant] Stan says he and Lischblau had a series of clandestine conversations around Washington.


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[Assistant] Tam disappeared back into the bureaucracy at the Justice Department.


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[Assistant] At the Times, Eric Lischblau knew that another reporter, James Risen, had also been hearing about the program.


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[Assistant] ...eager to get General Hayden on the record.


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[Assistant] The first was inside the Eisenhower Executive Office building. Acting CIA Director John McLaughlin ran the meeting.


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[Assistant] In meeting after meeting, the government made the argument the program was both effective and legal.


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[Assistant] Back in the Times offices, the reporters argued the White House was misleading them. But the editors were not convinced the story should run.


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[Assistant] In the fall of 2004, the administration invited the Times top editors to a closed-door meeting.


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[Assistant] Executive editor Bill Keller met with the president's top advisors, Condoleezza Rice, General Hayden, Alberto Gonzalez, and others.


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[Assistant] Who insisted to Keller that revealing the existence of the program would endanger national security.


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[Assistant] The White House had prevailed. The program would remain a well kept secret.


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[Assistant] General Hayden was promoted by the White House to help oversee all intelligence operations. He was replaced by a new general, Keith Alexander.


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[Assistant] The change gave Tom Drake another chance to voice his concerns about the program. He wrote General Alexander a classified letter.


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[Assistant] The letter said the NSA's intelligence gathering activities were out of control and needed to be reined in.


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[Assistant] But General Alexander was no more responsive than Hayden had been.


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[Assistant] And by writing directly to the general, Drake had broken bureaucratic protocol. His days were numbered.


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[Assistant] Bennie, Wiebe, Loomis, and Congress' Diane Roark.


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[Assistant] Now they began to seriously consider what they called the nuclear option. Going to the press.


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[Assistant] Huge amounts of information about Americans' telephone calls and emails had been clandestinely captured.


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[Assistant] Finally, reporter James Risen from the New York Times had had enough. He decided to strike out on his own.


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[Assistant] He invited him to drive over to his house to read a draft chapter of the book. The story the New York Times had refused to print.


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[Assistant] It did not take long for the editors at the New York Times to get word of what Risen was planning.


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[Assistant] Inside the Times, the editor who had killed the story 12 months earlier, now faced a


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[Assistant] On a frigid December evening, editors Bill Keller, Phil Todman, and New York Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger were summoned to the White House.


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[Assistant] The president turned the meeting over to General Hayden for one of his famous briefings.


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[Assistant] Threatening that the New York Times would be responsible for the next attack.


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[Assistant] It would be a first, an admission the program existed.


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[Assistant] Once again, it would be left to General Hayden to brief the press. He too minimized the scale of the program.


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[Assistant] Drake had been complaining internally about the program for more than four years. Now he said he had run out of options.


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[Assistant] Drake decided to act on his own, without the ThinThread team.


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[Assistant] He'd reach out to a newspaper reporter. Siobhan Gorman worked for the Baltimore Sun.


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[Assistant] Drake said that he would only provide unclassified material.


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[Assistant] Gorman will not acknowledge that Drake was her source, but she says she knows why she received the leaks.


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[Assistant] At first, Drake remained completely anonymous, communicating entirely by encrypted email.


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[Assistant] But Drake wasn't the only leaker. Other stories broke.


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[Assistant] ...revealed the government had been collecting the phone records of tens of millions of Americans.


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[Assistant] A massive manhunt for the leakers, led by the new Attorney General, Alberto Gonzalez.


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[Assistant] The agents began their investigation across the street at the Department of Justice itself, calling everyone who had worked with the FISA Court, including Thomas Tam.


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[Assistant] Thomas Tam resigned from the Justice Department. He began to wait for a federal indictment.


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[Assistant] One morning he was summoned to a meeting in Harvard Square with two FBI agents.


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[Assistant] The subpoena was issued under the leadership of Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez.


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[Assistant] And then they hit one more. Ed Loomis.


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[Assistant] The FBI considered them persons of interest for leaking to the New York Times.


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[Assistant] Tom Drake's home was not raided by the FBI that day, but Drake had the feeling that he was next.


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[Assistant] The FBI carted away Drake's computers and boxes of his papers.


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[Assistant] Torell had no hard evidence Drake ever spoke to the New York Times, or that he had given any classified material to the Baltimore Sun. Nevertheless,


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[Assistant] Durell said the FBI had discovered classified documents on Drake's computer and in his basement. A felony.


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[Assistant] Tarell wanted Drake to confess and admit that he was the center of a conspiracy involving Rourke, Binnie and the others.


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[Assistant] Drake and the others faced decades in federal prison, and at least tens of thousands of dollars in legal bills. Desperate, they came to believe they had only one chance.


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[Assistant] As it happened, 2008 was a presidential election year.


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[Assistant] Barack Obama even embraced the importance of whistleblowers.


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[Assistant] At the White House, in the waning months of the Bush administration, they were determined to find a way to make the program permanent.


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[Assistant] The administration proposed to amend the FISA law and insisted it was reform.


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[Assistant] But insiders knew it granted the NSA unprecedented power.


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[Assistant] At the United States Congress, the administration secretly made the case for the bill at closed hearings of the intelligence committees.


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[Assistant] Publicly, the president would press lawmakers with a familiar warning. Pass this law, or Americans could die.


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[Assistant] Candidate Barack Obama now faced a choice. Would he vote against the President's bill?


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[Assistant] Six months later, Barack Obama was the new president and the commander-in-chief.


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[Assistant] The president's closest advisors insisted the program was necessary.


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[Assistant] The new president faced a decision, whether to dramatically restrict


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[Assistant] He made his decision the program would continue.


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[Assistant] Convinced the program was effective and necessary, Obama would now own it.


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[Assistant] A high school dropout, Snowden had grown up just 20 minutes from the NSA.


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[Assistant] Snowden had enlisted in the army, but left after breaking both of his legs in training.


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[Assistant] The job provided him extensive access to the details of NSA operations.


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[Assistant] A classified inspector general report detailing the history of the program.


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[Assistant] And under President Obama, Snowden watched as the program continued.


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[Assistant] Obama's Justice Department began to address those Bush-era leak investigations, led by Attorney General Eric Holder.


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[Assistant] Despite the campaign rhetoric in support of whistleblowers, President Obama did nothing to stop the prosecutions.


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[Assistant] On April 14th, 2010, Thomas Drake was finally


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[Assistant] As he waited for his day in court Drake's life began to fall apart.


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[Assistant] At the center of the government's case were those documents found at Drake's house. Prosecutors insisted they were classified. Drake's lawyers turned to author James Bamford.


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[Assistant] The government later insisted the documents Drake had contained national secrets and were covered by the espionage law. But then just days before the trial was to begin, the charges against Drake were dropped.


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[Assistant] Drake agreed to plead guilty to misdemeanor unauthorized use of a government computer. He was charged a $25 court fee, put on probation for a year, and given community service.


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[Assistant] Edward Snowden was now working for a new NSA contractor.


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[Assistant] Snowden was initiating his own move to expose the program.


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[Assistant] Instead of the New York Times, Snowden would reach out to Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras, and Barton Gelman.


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[Assistant] And he would begin systematically copying and giving them documents that held many of the United States most closely guarded secrets.


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[Assistant] You don't need to get tested if you are exposed to the virus, but don't show symptoms. What is that? Why would I say that?


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[Assistant] A sore throat. And then I shot you with a 22. What would be your cause of death?


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[Assistant] If you're here, then you are part of a very special circle. People she trusted and cared for.


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[Assistant] Maybe we should talk about this somewhere else? What? No, I deserve to know. I know, I, I know, but this isn't the way to go about this.


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[Assistant] Bigby and I are going to have a little chat while everyone else gets back to the funeral.


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[Assistant] What? I'm not just gonna sit here and- Please, I promise I will tell you what the hell is going on just as soon as I know there's something to tell, but just let us do our jobs first.


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[Assistant] Okay, you think you know who the killer is. What have you got?


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[Assistant] This is... I don't even know what to say right now. I really don't. I'm just trying everything I can right now to not picture it. To not picture him.


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[Assistant] Because please, Bigby, don't confuse things. Deposing Crane would be the next step. And if we get this wrong, it would mean more than our jobs.


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[Assistant] Look, let's go back to the business office. I doubt Crane's there at this hour, but we need to talk. And this isn't the place. Snow? Nerissa? What is it?


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[Assistant] Business office. I know, I'll have to call you back.


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[Assistant] So, I guess that's the plan, currently. But, I-I don't know.


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[Assistant] I don't know what the Tweedles get out of this, I don't know if Crane sent them, I don't know if- I mean, this is gonna sound crazy, but do you really think Crane did it? Everything points to him, I get it, but do you really think he killed those women?


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[Assistant] Thanks for tonight, by the way. That could have gone really terribly. I mean, even worse than it did.


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[Assistant] It's just, when stuff hits the fan, like, like it did tonight, it feels like before we came to the city. It feels kind of like home. And I've heard it said that maybe in some


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[Assistant] Tiny little bottled up way deep inside. You kind of enjoy it when things go wrong. Because it gives you an excuse to just, you know, stop pretending.


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[Assistant] He had to have left something that tells us where he's going. He's a neat freak but he was never that smart.


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[Assistant] I called just to see if you knew where Crane could be, and that was it, okay? And I'm sorry I said anything more than that.


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[Assistant] Look, this just isn't the time. He took a piece of the mirror so we can't use it.


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[Assistant] Look, we know that Preyn is going to see a witch, and it's to acquire a magic ring.


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[Assistant] We don't know what it does or who it's assigned to since Crane tore its page out of the book.


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[Assistant] We know Crane is going to see the witch that's been supplying him black market glamors.


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[Assistant] And that he'll be there at two. So that gives us...


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[Assistant] A few short hours to find out who it is and where they live and get them all at once.


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[Assistant] Since Lily used the Glamours, she'd have known who the witch was, and I don't think Holly's burned her things yet.


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter what they know. After tonight, they'd never go to their office.


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[Assistant] We already looked for the key, remember? I don't know where it is.


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[Assistant] What concerns me is you traipsing through possible evidence.


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[Assistant] I'll look up their address. I hope you know what you're doing.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's you. Sorry, I've been answering angry phone calls for hours. People want to know where Crane is. How'd it go with the Tweedle brothers?


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[Assistant] You might want to try Holly's place, see if she hasn't burned Lily's things yet. Or Crane's, you might find something there. Although, Bluebeard's been there. I'll leave it up to you, but we don't have much time. Crane is meeting her at 2am.


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[Assistant] Hello, this is Snow White calling. I'm looking for Bigby. Is anyone there? Bigby, if you're there, pick up, okay?


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[Assistant] Don't just kick it in! We don't know what's on the other side. Let's just save the last resort for last.


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[Assistant] Okay, you know what I think? I think we've been more than patient with you.


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[Assistant] I know what this is. I've seen it before. It is not love.


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[Assistant] Really, think about it. Because circumstantial evidence is one thing. And I won't kill a man for that.


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[Assistant] He embezzled millions from Fabletown Bigby. That's what I have to care about. And that's enough.


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[Assistant] You have the right to counsel, the right to depose witnesses, but as of right now, you're coming with us.


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[Assistant] This can't be Greenleaf again and again, behaving however you like, acting without constraint. You have to respect this office, Bigby. And you have to respect me as its leader. Starting now.


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[Assistant] Betrayed by Vader for the last time, a new journey begins with something worth fighting for.


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[Assistant] See the general falling and I feel the ground shake as a starship crashes around me. I hear.


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[Assistant] By the force, I knew you were alive.


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[Assistant] Then you'll let me pass. Brought you here, the galaxy has. Your path, clearly this is.


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[Assistant] Princess, you go on. We'll cover you. You have to set those charges.


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[Assistant] I'm in my office, uh, remember the day? Brilliantly clear day, clear blue sky.


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[Assistant] My executive assistant, a young woman came in and said, hey, we got reports of a plane hitting the World Trade Center and like 300 million other Americans, I thought, wow, small plane, sport plane, accident, too bad.


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[Assistant] My poor security chief didn't even have a chance to speak. I just turned to him and said, all non-essential personnel out of here now.


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[Assistant] And he says, Mike, any more you can do? I said, George, no, not within my authorities, not within my current authorities. He paused and said, that's not actually the question I asked you. Is there anything more you could do?


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[Assistant] It's the President and the Vice President in the room. Uhm, almost certainly, Condi was there as the National Security Advisor. Andy Card would have been there.


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[Assistant] I understand your concerns, but there's some things we're going to have to do. And I think I have the authority to authorize you to do the things that you've outlined


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[Assistant] And she said, what's on your mind? I said, well, we're going to go do something here. I didn't go into any, into any details. We're going to do something. One day it's going to be public and when it gets public, it's going to be very controversial and the people doing it are going to be swept into this thing. She said, huh? Is it the right thing to do? I said, yeah, I think so. She said, okay, we'll deal with that when it comes.


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[Assistant] He said, I'm coming out. I'll be there in about 30 minutes. Hand-carried. This was very closely guarded that we were doing this.


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[Assistant] He comes onto the campus at Fort Meade up to the top deck and hands me the order.


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[Assistant] On these things since I became director saying, this is good.


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[Assistant] Our purpose in this was to get the other political branch involved in this program.


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[Assistant] We would be defeating our own purposes, working it against our own goals if we weren't full-maunting, uh, to these folks.


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[Assistant] It's awkward for me having the conversation because she's not been briefed on the program. Alright, so uhm, to a certain level of detail.


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[Assistant] I simply respond that I disagree with both of her conclusions. That I think what we're doing is lawful, and I think what it is we're doing is effective. And if I knew of a better way of doing it, I would do that too.


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[Assistant] I said look, and Diane, this is going to become public. And when it becomes public, you can argue your point, and I can argue mine.


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[Assistant] Given that starkness of the al-Qaeda threat. Given the ambiguity of the situation.


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[Assistant] I thought the correct operational, legal, and ethical decision was, alright, we'll do this one more time on the somewhat different


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[Assistant] ...of 2004 was resumed in large measure under a different legal theory by the fall of 2004.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a reason we keep intelligence sources and methods secret. It's the same reason journalists try to keep their sources and methods secret. You know, you can't survive unless you keep them secret.


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[Assistant] I wanna talk to you about this program. I wanna talk to you about why this is important, why we think it saves lives, and why it should not be made public.


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[Assistant] It's hard to brief in the Oval, you know, you can't, there are no visual aids, it's hard to roll out something in front of somebody. So I gave him the best explanation of the program I could, but I did bring up specific examples.


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[Assistant] We call it the big pause. Okay, when stuff like this goes public, what's the big guy gonna do? Is he gonna man up and support you? Or...


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[Assistant] The FISA Amendment Act of 2008 actually allows some of the things we were doing under the President's authority, only against Al Qaeda, it allows them for all


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[Assistant] We had a great sense of mission at the time.


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[Assistant] The American people had a great sense of patriotism. We experienced domestic unity like we never experienced before.


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[Assistant] A monster, a Frankenstein monster, that half Bin Laden and half Saddam, a monster that did not exist before we went to Iraq. But because of what we did in the aftermath of our invasion, that monster became a reality.


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[Assistant] It was about fear. It was about us versus them.


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[Assistant] A drone cannot kill an ideology, cannot kill a message, cannot kill a narrative. Uh, so every time we kill someone, 10 people came to take their position.


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[Assistant] This threat is way more dangerous because they are us. They are in our towns, in our cities.


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[Assistant] I feel like I don't even know what I'm talking about. I'm super, super tired. Let's take some tea first.


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[Assistant] And I do think, yeaah, I think I will also tell you some exciting news in this video. Some of you know it already, but not too many. I have a lot of things that I should do right now to get started on this new week, but


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[Assistant] I'm actually gonna prioritize, uh, something that I also think is super important, but maybe that.


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[Assistant] And because of the rain I haven't been picking as much blueberries as I wish. And it's getting late for the blueberry season now, so it felt important to me to prioritize picking blueberries while the weather was good.


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[Assistant] I think picking berries is an essential part of living here. I don't feel ready for the long winter until my freezer is filled with blueberries, lingonberries, and all the other kinds of berries that we can get here.


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[Assistant] For over half a year, we won't get much energy from the sun. So I see these wild berries as a way of keeping ourselves healthy and strong during the darkest time of the year.


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[Assistant] It's really hard to find blueberries this year.


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[Assistant] I've been struggling to find good blueberry spots this year. Cause every season is different. And in the area where I live, it's been a bit harder than usual to find blueberries.


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[Assistant] I felt a bit tired this Monday. I hadn't slept anything the night before and I had a long meeting in the afternoon, so when I finally could go out in the forest again, it was already getting dark.


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[Assistant] Since we have 24 hours of daylight in the summer months, I always feel a bit stressed when it gets dark around 8 in the evening in the end of August. It feels like I suddenly got half the time to do things. So quiet.


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[Assistant] Just a month ago, everything was just buzzing of life. All the birds and...


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[Assistant] Wow! It's a Nicholas's. Wow!


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[Assistant] Seems like I found a really good spot now.


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[Assistant] I've been out for about an hour and I picked about


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[Assistant] Because we are hopefully next summer or next year sometime going to open up a physical shop for our business, for our art and jewelry in Sollefteå.


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[Assistant] So this year became special in many ways. Not only did I get to fulfill my dream of having my very own art studio.


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[Assistant] We also took the decision to open up a shop in the heart of the beautiful town Solleftio. And that too is a dream that's been around for a very long time.


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[Assistant] I remember when me and my mother Anita started up our first little jewelry business and we worked in the kitchen in our apartment in the middle of the city of Gothenburg.


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[Assistant] This place was our inspiration. This little village in the woods in the north of Sweden where my ancestor had been living for the past 400 years and where I now live myself.


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[Assistant] But back then, in the apartment in Gothenburg, living here was only a dream I had. Just as a dream of making my own jewelry brand. And someday I will tell you the whole story of how we began with silver jewelry and how we ended up where we are today. Because that's actually quite a story to tell.


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[Assistant] Many years later, when we both lived up north, we did open up a little shop to sell our handmade jewelry and my art. We worked really hard and created a beautiful little shopping gallery.


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[Assistant] The only problem was that it was located in the living room in my cabin. But you gotta do the best of what you have, right?


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[Assistant] But it was really successful. When we opened up the doors to our shop, it was a long queue into my house of people who wanted to come and see and buy our creations.


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[Assistant] Back then I had a Swedish blog that was quite popular here in Sweden. So that made it possible for us to have hundreds of visitors in our little shop in my living room, even if it was in the middle of nowhere.


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[Assistant] Fast forward to 2018. My husband Johan was now part of my life, and this year Johan quit his job as a full-time electrician to begin working with silversmithing in our jewelry business.


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[Assistant] And this is when things really started going bananas. In a good way. Because this year is also when I started doing vlogs and share here on YouTube. And suddenly, there was a lot of you guys who followed our journey. And with that came a lot of possibilities, but also a high demand of our work.


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[Assistant] This was the beginning of some years with the most amount of work that we've ever done in our life.


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[Assistant] And it was so much joy and so challenging at the same time. And it was hard to know how to handle this without getting burned out.


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[Assistant] So we spent some years learning and doing a lot of changes to adapt and improve our workflow so that we could be able to run a small family business to a wide audience. Oh my god! This is awesome!


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[Assistant] And every single step was a challenge. From finding more silversmiths here in Sweden and Norway that could help us with our jewelry making, to renovating and building more space for packing all the orders,


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[Assistant] And even getting our first employee. When you've never done anything like that before and you're used to do everything yourself, it can be a huge and scary step to take.


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[Assistant] Up until now, it's been a journey for sure, and we've learned so much along the way and we are still learning every day. But I have to say that I'm so grateful for how everything turned out.


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[Assistant] That the visions that we had in the apartment in Gothenburg actually became reality. And that I get to work with my family and friends. And that so many of you out there make it possible for us to keep creating and evolving and make reality of our ideas.


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[Assistant] If 20 year old me in the apartment in Gothenburg would see where we are today, I would cry out of happiness.


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[Assistant] I have always felt very inspired by the thought of creating a space with a magical atmosphere where I get to hang up my paintings and my framed photographs on the walls and showcase our jewelry designs on beautiful displays made by stones and wood.


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[Assistant] Almost like creating a little world. A little oasis where people can come visit and hopefully live with a beautiful experience in their heart.


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[Assistant] So this idea of having a real physical shop has been on our minds a lot for the past two years.


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[Assistant] Earlier this year, we found a perfect place by the main street in Sollefteå that was big enough for everything we needed.