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[Assistant] You, like you said, in your heart, you wanted to throw the football because that, you, like I, I feel like I could give us the best chance to win. As you were calling your own plays and dialing up plays where you get your team involved, what, what made you stay?


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[Assistant] And what motivated you to be like, okay, I can't throw the ball every single play. What kept you honest with the run game?


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[Assistant] And no disrespect to, like, Aaron Donald, like, but you gotta think about it.


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[Assistant] Back then, I always tell people, you don't know how much you let people off the hook.


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[Assistant] Eight and five, you're sitting in a nice comfortable playoff spot, as comfortable as it can be, with...


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[Assistant] Five teams behind you at seven and six? That's nuts. This is a crazy NFL playoff season. I think it's six teams.


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[Assistant] There's 16 teams in the, in the division. 11 of them are seven and six are better. Buffalo, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] Cincinnati's currently in the 10. Buffalo's in the 11. If you would have said coming into the season that those two teams, which were widely considered frontrunners, would be right now on the outside looking in and at 10 and 11, you wouldn't believe it. But a lot to get to today, first and foremost, a huge win. Let's do our shotgun intros.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Because there are so many similarities in both these guys. You're right. They were told by 32 teams, not just to start the season, but a couple weeks into the season. And for Flacco, two thirds of the way into the season, we're good. Stay home. How do you think the Jets feel right now?


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[Assistant] That's, that's big. That's the strength of schedule in college football. Dave.


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[Assistant] I think you're right about the house money thing, although I do have playoff expectations and we can get to that later.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I, I really, the only thing that I would add to what the three of you said,


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[Assistant] And a win over the Steelers in the playoffs. I mean, it's gonna be hard to top that this year.


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[Assistant] But uhm, I think this team has the ability to do that.


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[Assistant] For me, uh, we talked about, and you touched on the Flacco kind of, sort of, resurgence.


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[Assistant] We talked about when the Browns signed him about how sometimes a player views his career and his life once he thinks it's over. You and I talked about how when I was away from baseball for a number of years, I literally would have dreams of putting a uniform on again. I know you've told me you've had the same dreams where you're padding up


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[Assistant] And you can hear the ambiance in the locker room and you feel the excitement of the game building.


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[Assistant] And getting ready to run out of the tunnel and then you wake up. And that is a gut punch. It is the worst feeling you can have. Joe Flacco lived that every day.


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[Assistant] I learned something this morning that I didn't know and maybe you guys knew this. Ryan Clark this morning on Get Up.


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[Assistant] If you want to hear it. Oh, you clipped that? Oh yea, let's hear it. Oh, okay.


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[Assistant] Ryan Clark, you're burying the lead. He hasn't said that all year. Uhm, so for me, not that he couldn't have said, guys, I'm walking away, but he may have really liked his role inside the NFL. I think everybody would agree was kind of that mandatory watch for NFL fans.


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[Assistant] He may have settled into that role and said, I really like this and I don't want to tap out because if I tap out, I may not get this cheer back. You're right. So that's, that was just a, that was a mind blowing headline that I hadn't heard. I know Ryan, I know people on that show behind the scenes. No one told me Flacco tried out. I bet you get it next time.


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[Assistant] Their story is elevatin'. You know, what I heard, we asked his high school coach about Joe's career.


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[Assistant] And I think he'd make a great coach. And his high school or his college coach said he thought he'd make a good commentator. I have to, I have to tell you, I'm not sure Joe Flacco would make a good commentator.


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[Assistant] He's just, he's good with words. If you parse the words and just read them on the paper, you're like, wow.


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[Assistant] But as you guys know, it's not about what you say, it's how you say it. And Joe Flacco, although he's smart, well spoken, he doesn't punch anything. And the problem with


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[Assistant] If you go back to our week four conversation, we all were saying, why aren't you calling Joe Flacco?


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah. Got anybody that's watching Brown's football in 2023? That's not a question. The bigger question is, and this can be discussed,


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[Assistant] Why not? Why not? We found out this year just how important the backup quarterback is. Or we go back to PJ Walker. I mean, I'm good if you guys want to do that.


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[Assistant] There was obviously contact, uh, with the cross, crosser, and he threw the ball where he was supposed to throw the ball. The receiver couldn't get there for mitigating factors, but.


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[Assistant] And the offense, you always complain, and it's a, it's a fair complaint. Why doesn't our offense look like NFL, other NFL offense? It does. For the last two weeks, it has looked like a real NFL offense. When you're at third and eighth,


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[Assistant] You're not telling the punter, get loose. You feel like at third and eight, you've got a chance with this guy. Yeah.


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[Assistant] He's the first quarterback since Brian Syte to have three touchdown passes in a game of 30 plus yards. Since 1980. Like, you literally have to stop and say, wait a minute, what? All the quarterbacks? Bernie?


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[Assistant] All the qu- I mean I know there's been a lot of bad quarterback play.


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[Assistant] And so does the Jets and Chicago and Cincinnati. So for me,


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[Assistant] Uh, it tells me he's gonna, and this is, this is the way of the league. This is football. When there's a book on you, not that there wasn't already a book on him, but I think the NFL had figured, oh, father time caught up to him on the couch. Let's throw the blitzes at him. I think moving forward from here, you're going to see a lot smaller blitz rate against Joe Flacco because that's how he's been.


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[Assistant] I think if you look at the page and you say, how is he beating us? He's clearly beating teams when they're sending the extra man. So, please, please.


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[Assistant] Keep doing it, I'm begging you, Chicago, bring the house, Houston, bring it, everybody. I don't know, careful what you wish for. No, bring it, he'll find it. The line, you know what's crazy to me, I think, and we're gonna get to the line.


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[Assistant] If you're looking for the real unsung hero in all of this, it's every man that's played all the snaps that has been the offensive line for the Browns in 2023. Because how they're keeping him upright, it's a miracle. Now I know that they're jumping and they're moving and they're stupid penalties and all of that, but


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[Assistant] It just drives home Bill Callahan's strength and I...


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[Assistant] And I give, I credit them a lot for what, what the Braves were able to accomplish.


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[Assistant] You know it's funny, the, uh, with the exception of Houston.


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[Assistant] The Jets? I mean, granted, you know, you've played a team that was pretty dinged up, but the Jets, the Bengals, and uh, and uh, the Bears, all of a sudden, those aren't slam dunk easy wins all of a sudden.


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[Assistant] I was rooting for Kansas City. I want the death knell on Buffalo.


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[Assistant] Cause they scare me, man. I don't want them in the playoffs. I don't want Cincinnati. I mean, if you want Browning's playing, I don't


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[Assistant] Solid. Again, too many points allowed, but I don't, all of them obviously weren't on the defense. I was a little disappointed that when Jacksonville needed that last score,


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, I wasn't ready to say this game was over. I don't know if you guys were, just because I've seen that movie played out before.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I was just disappointed that they gave up that last score.


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[Assistant] I wanted them to just make it simple. Just do what they did the previous possession and force them to give the ball away.


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[Assistant] A buddy of mine that covered Jacksonville said ETN's probably not going to play. Saturday he sent that to me. Yea, he was fighting injury. Yea, I didn't realize how he said it's bad. And he said, you've got two guys right now that are gutting through not just injuries but painful injuries. And you could tell that ETN was not right, uh, just by the way he was running.


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[Assistant] Trying to, uh, at some point avoid contact when he probably otherwise would have ran to it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I do think they caught a little bit of an injury break, but hey, I'm not apologizing for that. The Browns have given teams injury breaks all season long. I give them a solid B+. I just, again, uhm, and I know that you guys thought the game was milked away, but there was drama, and whenever there's drama, I want the defense to stand up and


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[Assistant] And at least keep the team out of the end zone. I thought they were going to make them settle for a field goal there. Cause either way, you gotta get a score.


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[Assistant] I just, you know, I wanted to see a big stand on that last drive force them to turn it over on downs like they had the previous drive.


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[Assistant] But all in all, I mean, whenever you come up with four interceptions, you can't fault the effort of the defense. I do think Miles, to me, Miles looked closer to Miles Garrett than he did last week. It was just, I think he's hurting. I think he is definitely hurting. It was better. I don't think it was, I thought his effort this week was better than it was last week. I just thought there were a lot of plays where he was close to getting home. I didn't really see that a lot out in Los Angeles.


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[Assistant] Well, but to your point that the teams that have hurt the Browns this year have been the teams with the running quarterbacks. Obviously that didn't happen yesterday because he wasn't able to run, but typically the running quarterbacks have given the Brown fits.


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[Assistant] And, you know, let's just hope that you can't lose to the Bears. Not now. Not after that win yesterday. You give back all the


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[Assistant] When you listen to this, hear Pink Floyd's money in your head because, uh, it's gonna cost Miles Garrett some cash, but he, I'm sure he weighed that risk and said, you know what? I'll write the check gladly.


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[Assistant] Also, it wasn't just about yesterday's game. You know, yesterday's game, there were some times where he was being egregiously held, where I understand you can call holding on every play.


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[Assistant] But there are certain times where it jumps off your screen and you jump up and you're pointing, hold, hold, hold. That's happening far too often, not just in yesterday's game, but for the season. And I think you're looking at a guy who's making a run at Defensive Player of the Year.


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[Assistant] And I think that he realizes that he is being officiated differently from other guys. Maybe not differently than the league's top guys. Cause if you watch those guys too, they're held a lot with no calls. But I'm glad that he shined the light on this particular issue.


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[Assistant] Andy Reid did it as well, and if you talk about officiating in the macro, you're always gonna have missed calls. It's inherent, you're always, always gonna have calls that are missed.


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[Assistant] I know Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes were going nuts over the offensive, uh, offsides call. Particularly when it worked for a touchdown that was such a brilliant play. There was no question he was offsides!


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[Assistant] Faith in the obvious is sometimes they show a replay and it's obvious on the first replay and there's five minutes later they're looking at six different actors and you're like what's taking so long?


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[Assistant] Well a lot of times too, I've noticed that receivers are, on third, it's funny on third and 18, you don't need a pass interference, a holding will work.


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[Assistant] And that's what drives you nuts. You're like, oh, now there's a hold call. Now it's an automatic first down. And what I've noticed a lot more of this year than any year in the past that I'd seen it in past years, the wide receivers now are trained to get in tight to that defensive back and then throw your arm up in the air.


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[Assistant] So, but you're right on the calls. We have so many angles. Everything now looks like you can, you can determine, but we have slow motion and 15 cameras to work with. It's not an easy job, man. I wouldn't want to do it for anything. I would not want to be an NFL official.


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[Assistant] Here's the numbers on Ford, cause I wasn't sure and I'm like, you know, are they not using them enough? What's going on?


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[Assistant] 166 carries for just under 700 yards, averaging 4.2.


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[Assistant] Uh, here's where I get a little lost in the soup on the usage of Ford.


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[Assistant] I, uh, the reason I asked to see your number one running back, I wanted to make sure it was it that were clearly saying that he is. To me, he's clearly their best running back. I think that situationally,


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[Assistant] You can argue who's more important. I think what Hunt's bringing and how efficient he is for what he needs to do. And those are some of the toughest yards to get. I think he's filling a role very well. He's a short yardage back. He's a goal line back. He finds the end zone, scores touchdowns. But for me, with Ford,


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[Assistant] If, how many carries should a number one running back get? Is there a number that you guys have?


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[Assistant] This is what's troubling to me over the last three. He's touched it 30 times.


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[Assistant] But these numbers are served more than serviceable. He's 30 carries over three games for 135 yards and he's averaging four and a half yards per carry over the last three games. I just want to see him get more involved.


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[Assistant] You give me negative plays, and I agree, there are, but you're still averaging four and a half. I'm okay with four and a half. He's one of the least efficient running backs in the league.


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[Assistant] Yes. And I still- No, no, no, no, I still say that. Yes, yes, yes. No, no, no. Yes. I'm gonna tell you that what I've been arguing, I'm gonna- I'm still arguing that.


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[Assistant] Leroy Horde said, I think, I think it was after a particular bad game on yards per carry. And he said, no, no, no, no, no, that's not how you look at the running game.


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[Assistant] The way you look at the running game, and I still say this, and there were again yesterday situations where you just run the ball.


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[Assistant] Why they were throwing to stop the clock and give Jacksonville an easy time out with three minutes to go. I don't understand that, particularly when you end up three and out anyhow. I don't care.


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[Assistant] Dinking play calling. What I'm saying is, I think with the run game, if you give your best running back 10 carries a game.


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[Assistant] I don't think that's enough. The last three games, the Browns are fifth in the league in pass to run distribution.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. That's my bad. Because I am hearing from inside the building that this crazy throw in the football around is not Kevin Stefanski's plan.


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[Assistant] I think his nature, you touched on this last week, I think the offense that we're currently seeing is the offense Kevin Stefanski wants to win.


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[Assistant] It's not even close, not even close. I think he's going to get coach of the year votes. I said that a couple of weeks ago. I still say that.


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[Assistant] He's done, I think what's crazy about him and what I like the most about him is he's done his best work under the most adversity. He thrives under it. He loves it. He thrives under adversity. And to me, I know there's a lot of different ways we can judge coaches, but the one thing I most wanted in my coach


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[Assistant] Can you be at your best when the building is on fire? And in 2020, the building was damn near literally on fire. Playoffs.


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[Assistant] He's the first head coach to get wins with four different quarterbacks in one season for the Browns.


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[Assistant] Since 1988 when Don Strock had to ride in on the white horse.


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[Assistant] Right, I'm going in Brown's history. You have to go all the way back to 1988.


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[Assistant] To think about, first of all, you gotta have a lot of injuries to your quarterbacks. Well, check, we've done that. The fact that he's gotten a win against the San Francisco 49ers, the team that could likely be the number one overall seed in the west, with PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] You know, you can't underestimate what he has done and what he has meant for this football team. And when you see players tweeting out, love this guy.


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[Assistant] Uh, the fact that he's been able to keep this team together with all the adversity.


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[Assistant] That tells you something. You know, I don't think there was ever any question that he had the locker room.


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[Assistant] But the fact that he has the locker room to the point where these guys are tweeting out, love this guy and you look at what he's overcome.


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[Assistant] But still, right now he's in line, he's in line to, he could be the number one overall seed. You can't, there are NFL teams that he's beat him. And I agree with you, but the love affair going on right now between the media and McDaniel.


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[Assistant] No, I know, but because it was such a dramatic turnaround and they beat the Steelers and it was the Browns, he was the sexy choice. You know the media loves that.


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[Assistant] That helped. It didn't hurt. Let's put it that way. And I do think that, you know, it's the sexy choice and all of that. I don't think you have to be a division winner. You don't, but it does help. It doesn't really matter. I'm going back to the Ravens win yesterday. Look how much differently we're looking at everything. If you, if you're a game behind the


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[Assistant] To me, I was just, you know, if they could have found a way, if the Rams could have found a way to hold on and win that game, you're looking at things entirely differently because not only is the division title in play, so too would the number one overall seat.


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[Assistant] It's almost two different units. By the way, when you were gone and Earl was in your chair, you must have spilled some packets of Kool-Aid in there and it was infused up his something in his body. Because when he sat there, is Earl here today?


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[Assistant] Earl defiantly predicted that the Browns were going to go 5-0 the rest of the way.


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[Assistant] A lot of Jinx Lamar Jackson. Yeaah, I do. I mean, yeaah. I don't want to wish injury on anybody. But, no, and Trevor Lawrence hasn't missed a game going back to high school.


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[Assistant] You know what, they're good for one, they're good for all. My goodness, this team has had to deal with more injuries than I can remember in a single season. Key injuries, like you said, quarterback. You're on your fourth quarterback.


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[Assistant] I felt it was, because the way the offensive linemen celebrated, I felt like they specifically were calling for a hard count there, or something to try to draw, but there's no defense. If you're, when you're Jacksonville, I'm sorry. On a punt? That's just crazy. That's the dunce camp for the season.


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[Assistant] No! You don't block punts! Well, it's good thing he did it. Well, the dunce cap goes to anybody who jumps in a fourth and short. Like, the last thing you say when you break the huddle is...


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[Assistant] It was just, it was genius to do it. And I gotta tell you, like, I know that you were comfortable in, in the late game situation that once it was 10, it was going to be fine. But at that point in the game,


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[Assistant] That was the first time in the game where I was like, okay.


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[Assistant] This is going to be a W. Yeah. And even though it ended up getting much closer than that. To answer your question, I'm still a little shaky on punt return. I don't like their return game at all. Yeah. I mean, they don't get good yardage on return and yesterday their kicker and


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just think there's times that we're letting the ball go when we should be catching it.


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[Assistant] Has he been drug tested? I mean, what is happening? You know what, here's what, I'm hearing your voice in my head.


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[Assistant] He's lining up for that kick and all you kept saying when he was making kicks in September and October and even November, you're like, I don't care. I want to see it in December. I want to see it in December. And when he came out, I'm like,


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[Assistant] So what happened was, he did, he played professional soccer. He's on the couch and his wife said, they're watching a football game. And she goes, honey, can you kick a football? He said, I don't know.


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[Assistant] He bought some footballs, he went to a field, he started kicking footballs and he told his wife,


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[Assistant] He went and got a coach that had a Notre Dame tie. I can't remember who it was. I read the story a couple of weeks ago.


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[Assistant] A former NFL kicker who was from Notre Dame, he went and hired him as a kicking coach. The kicking coach called, I think, a USFL team.


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[Assistant] Then on a ruse, he said, well, you know, he was good at the, at the USFL. He got him a tryout with the Cowboys. And again, a long shot. You're not going to take an undrafted free agent that didn't kick in college. What does he know? He's a soccer player. He beat everybody out. The guy's never missed a kick. He missed two extra


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[Assistant] All pro, uh, because there's kickers that have missed either one or two or-


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[Assistant] And honestly, he looked like he was kicking an extra point. He doesn't exert a lot of effort.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's, and I love the interview with him after the game. I knew he had been coached well when he used the word process right away. Jay Feely always, always, always used to tell me, it's not about the situation or the result. Think of those two, you will fail. It's about the process.


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[Assistant] In the post game interview, the first thing he mentioned to Melissa Stark was process. And I'm like, yeah, he's, he's got good pedigree.


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[Assistant] It was a wonderful catch by the return man over the shoulders on his fingertips if he doesn't catch that ball.


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[Assistant] It's possible the Browns get to it before it gets to the end zone and they down it on the one yard line.


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[Assistant] He's, he's driving for show, but he is definitely not good at the directional kick and the backspin. He's got 10 touchbacks, 9 touchbacks, uh, there's only one punter that has more than him and he has 10 touchbacks, but he's averaged, he averaged 51 and a half


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[Assistant] No, well, they don't, but they're gonna need stops. The reason I bring up the trestle ball thing is when you get into the playoffs and those points might become harder to come by.


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[Assistant] It's just a huge check in your column when you've got a kicker that can hit from 50 plus and you've got a punter that's averaging 50 plus. It's, you can change the game. And yesterday I thought the Browns kicker and punter were unsung heroes in the victory. First time, first time in a long time.


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[Assistant] Can I ask this just because it does make a difference? What was the injury? Is it meniscus? Is it?


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[Assistant] The only reason I ask that is because there are certain injuries that he, yeaah, so he's gonna go on IR, he's gonna miss the remainder of the regular season, but if it wasn't an ACL tear,


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[Assistant] There's a possibility that he could be. I don't lay off.


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[Assistant] I think regular season there's four games left. He's going on IR. I don't know. I, I, I hope someone asks Stefanski, what if this team makes the playoffs? Is it possible that Dewan Jones could come back?


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[Assistant] No, we saw Betonio miss two games with the scope.


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[Assistant] And there have been, it still blows my mind, there have been instances where guys missed a week from a scope.


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[Assistant] I do agree with you. Safeties usually don't get that. But I think they found a guy that fits their need and fits their system and plays well within it.


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[Assistant] And that's kind of the going rate if you want to lock them up and keep them there long term. I'm all about stability on the defensive side of the ball. I want these guys locked in so we can see them play together for three, four years and take a run at it that way. It's just every spin of the wheel you get, you have a chance of landing on a dollar. I like it.


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[Assistant] And again, because it's only two of those three years are guaranteed, I think it was a no-brainer.


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[Assistant] They knew when they made this deal, it was an all or nothing deal. This isn't a let's make the playoffs deal. This is let's win a Super Bowl deal. Yeah. Let, win a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Well, Atlanta right now could be in a better spot. They're in first place, but they're sixth and seventh. The Bucks are also sixth and seventh.


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[Assistant] They're wide receiving core. Even the fact that they're where they are with their receiving core is remarkable. Again, they won a Super Bowl with no wide receiving core last year. Travis Kelce is the best in his position, though, too. Well, he's still the best in his position.


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[Assistant] He is, but they, I mean, when you watch them, it's obvious. But why wasn't, but again they didn't have it.


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[Assistant] Well, the league is caught up for whatever reason. Trust me, I have Patrick Holmes in both my fantasy leagues and he's


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[Assistant] What, what is available for them in terms of restructuring to bring that number way down? How do they do that?


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[Assistant] So that's where it really dings you, right? Like the 40 for Brady that's not there, the 45 for...


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, you mentioned Joe Flacco's had more production. We've got seven touchdown passes in six games from Deshaun.


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[Assistant] It's always punitive if you draft poorly. Always. It's more punitive if you're in a cap position that's unfavorable. If you're not hitting on those fourth and fifth round guys, the Rams would love nothing more than to pay Nakua when his contract is up. But they got three years of him on the cheap and they've got to, they've got to


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[Assistant] Make sure that they're in a position to do well when they've got two of their biggest offensive contributors that were steals in the draft and they're paying them nothing.


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[Assistant] Because we were able to work through them. What you don't want is to lose a miles and a Denzel going into a playoff game. That can be fatal.


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[Assistant] They haven't suffered the fatal knockout punch yet with all the injuries that they've had. So if it, if there is some sort of football karma with injuries.


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[Assistant] happening all at once. We might look back and say, wow, in November we, in December we thought it was tragic, but we made it through that and our guys are healthy now in the playoffs. That gives you the best chance to win.


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[Assistant] Well, because there was no home field in COVID, so it went from three to zero. And, you know, now instead of jumping back to three, that's where they are.


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[Assistant] All of it. Yep. All of it. Yep. A ton of credit. I agree, because culture is set by the head coach. It can be set by players, but in this instance,


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[Assistant] I'm with you. What he's done and what he's had to fight through, it's unbelievable. And to be at 8 and 5 and where he is? I'll give him props. It's funny, real quick.


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[Assistant] I don't know either. By the way, I know this off topic, I want to squeeze this in because it was one of the notes that I wanted to throw in there. We already, I mean, and you can love or hate Joe Burrow, I happen to love the guy.


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[Assistant] What he did for Jake Browning's family in giving his luxury suite to his family so they can watch the game in.


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[Assistant] Look, he's our rival. He's our enemy. I respect the hell out of this guy. You're supposed to do that. But yea, no, give kudos where they're due. And I just think that this guy just makes every move perfectly.


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[Assistant] Feed the need. This is the 11th annual event. And here's what they do for anybody that's eaten at town hall. You know, it's one of the nicer restaurants in the Cleveland area. It's in Ohio City. They have terrific food, a great menu, a great atmosphere. But on this day every year,


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[Assistant] They close their doors to the general public and they open them to the needy. And here's, here's the way this works. They will today and there is.


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[Assistant] Probably in the range of a hundred or so volunteers that are already here. They'll trickle in more throughout the day.


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[Assistant] A lot of them will be Cleveland Browns players in the past, Joe Thomas, Bernie Kozar, Miles Garrett. There's a long list of Browns players that are active on this Browns team that will volunteer their time on Tuesday, which as you know, Bull and everybody in the audience probably knows it's their off day and they're spending their off day before Thanksgiving.


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[Assistant] To come here and to feed the needy. And here's the way this works. They're gonna dish out over four thousand meals. And it's possible that that number could go even higher. Cause we've been talking to a lot of the folks in the Cleveland Food Bank in the weeks leading up to Thanksgiving. They tell us that the need this year


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[Assistant] And the need during the pandemic years was absolutely through the roof. We're told that it could actually exceed that right now. Obviously the economy's not great. The inflation is high and there is a need for a free


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[Assistant] Yesterday they had the third annual town hall feed the need in Columbus. They've built a second restaurant there. Bobby George is the owner.


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[Assistant] He's a very kind and gracious man and believes in giving back to the community and that's why he does this. So before we come back, we'll come back later as we get players to talk to about both this event and the Brown season. But before we do that, a quick


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[Assistant] And I, I tried to say this as complimentary as I could, but I said, we have been talking for the last week or so about how the path for the Browns moving forward is to play trestle ball. And he smiled and I said, they've got the kicker, they've got the punter, they certainly have the defense. And he said the same thing you did in today's NFL.


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[Assistant] You can win games and that can take you a long way. Do you agree with that?


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[Assistant] Hey Adam, yeah, we do, standing by with Kareem Hunt and I know that you, you walked over here with a huge smile on your face. It must feel great for you to be back in this space as a Cleveland Brown, but this time seven and three. Where are you as an individual with the way things have unfolded this year?


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[Assistant] Yeah man, I thought uhm, it was cool to see uhm, some of those confident plays. I think when you don't have, when you don't have any experience or any, any,


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[Assistant] Plays the bank on. Sometimes as an athlete, you have to have some recent success.


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[Assistant] That you had, you know, recently that you bank on, that you can take withdrawals out and say, okay, if I'm struggling today, yeah, but I still remember that I can make plays and I can, I can use that to continue to have my confidence. I thought in the first half, uhm, to be honest, I thought Kevin Stefanski


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[Assistant] Really did a good job of calling the plays, and people say, well, what? G. Bush, what you talking about? You giving Kevin some fancy props? Of course!


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[Assistant] I call, I call a spade a spade. I thought he did a really good job. They did, the running game wasn't overly dominant, but one of the things that he stayed true to the fact was, I'm gonna still give this ball off.


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[Assistant] A lot of hits in the first half. He scramble got hit, he got hit on a personal foul, he got hit late a few times, and when he made the scramble and gets up and does the first down.


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[Assistant] I know you're feeling yourself right now. I know you're ready to go. And he's starting to be like, okay, alright, this is cool. I'm getting more energetic and I'm back with a little more energy. So I thought that was cool.


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[Assistant] I thought Taki Taki did a good job of baiting him on that one throw. They tried to run a high low concept and he was just like, yeah, I'm not watching the guy behind me. I'm all on this low, this flat route down here. And they're like, no, I'm not. And he just, he just jumps in front of them and makes an interception. You know, I feel sorry for the Cardinals because


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[Assistant] I don't know how many times we've watched the Browns and we've had to try out quarterbacks that have even been off the street.


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[Assistant] Uh, backups, guys that are six round picks, and they come out here and have no shot.


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[Assistant] I, I, I would, I'm anxious to see the film. I mean, I thought Mitchell played a lot in this game and he wasn't giving up much. I mean, I, I mean, if he could catch the football, he might have a couple of picks when he went to Northwestern. You know, you know, they feel about it.


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[Assistant] That's huge. I've learned, I've learned, after watching them after this, up to this point, when the Cleveland Browns play lights out, when, I mean, they're getting guys that get 58 yards or, you, you, you, you know, all these, all these three and outs, 7, 8, 9, 10 times in a row, when you watch them, they're dominant when their defensive tackles are dominant.


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[Assistant] When they're disruptive, it's just a problem. Maurice Hurst is playing well. So we just named four defensive tackles that are rotating in, doing their thing. And the crazy part about it is when they start getting penetration and being in the backfield and being disruptive,


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[Assistant] You almost can't block the ends. You can't block them. Like there's not, uh, you saw Zedarius Smith get another sack today. That's quietly for the Zedarius. Two sacks, two weeks. He's starting to get on the board a little bit.


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[Assistant] But, uh, when their defensive tackles play like that, they can beat anybody.


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[Assistant] No, even the guys they bring in, like Rodney McLeod, he seems to make plays, and Wynton Hill is sneaky.


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[Assistant] Why on Thornhill don't be in the stat sheet a lot because, think about it, you got the corners who are making plays in man to man, defensive lineman is getting after the quarterbacks, we just talked about that, linebackers are just solid. Why on Thornhill, like,


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[Assistant] He's sneaky around the ball a little bit. Like, when it was in the end zone, he almost got him to get to safety. I'm like, that was a good play. He just, he just, he's really


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[Assistant] And, and quiet, quiet is kept. Here's why I give them credit. Quiet is kept. We talked about the first five weeks. The Browns were taking the ball away. They're tied for eighth now.


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[Assistant] And that's just the way, you know, turnovers happen. Like, you can't really plan for them and sometimes you don't want to tell guys, hey, we're going to go punch the ball out. No, we want to get them on the ground and figure out what we're doing.


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[Assistant] But all of a sudden now the Browns are getting turnovers and looking, going into the, uh, you know, into the last part of this year. Uhm, and I've always watched it like this. Watch how quarterbacks numbers start to creep down. I'm seeing quarterbacks like Lamar Jackson throw for


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[Assistant] 185. You know, teams are still winning, but if your name is not CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] I ain't saying, ain't nobody throwing for 350, 360s. I haven't seen it. It start to, you know, especially when it gets a little colder, these numbers start to creep down a little bit. Even Patrick Mahomes, what do you have, 200 some yards in Germany?


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[Assistant] I mean, that's just the way it is. So the Browns are putting themselves in position to kind of weather the storm a little bit and kind of lead with their defense. And I'm actually, I like the fact that


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[Assistant] When we, we, we called them out a little bit for the last couple of weeks, right? And you know, they could have went out there and you know, played around because it was the Cardinals, but they went out there and smashed the Cardinals and held them in 58 yards. So I, you know, I love that. And I liked that energy going into Baltimore week.


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[Assistant] You do, uhm, but the crazy part about it is you just see, like it was raining, and it's raining for DBs too. I kept thinking myself, like, you can't play man to man coverage in this and you got Jamar Chase and T Higgins. They weren't hurt. So I'm thinking like, if you make a cut and you slip and fall, that's touchdown in man to man coverage.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, I would say, I would say probably the Tennessee win.


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[Assistant] Just, just because of the name brand recognition. I mean, you had DeAndre Hopkins, you had Derek Hayry.


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[Assistant] You know, they've been known to, to run the football a lot and they could have got the screen game off a little bit. Uhm, but to have them look like that, that was crazy.


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[Assistant] The Defensive Player of the Year Award is on the table the next two weeks.


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[Assistant] If you can go into Baltimore and dominate the way you've dominated, uh, some of the games this year.


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[Assistant] You're going to be the defensive player of the year. He has to know that Baltimore is playing lights out. They destroyed Seattle Lamar Jackson looks like he's he's up for another MVP type caliber CZ. You know, they say flowers. Some of those guys Baltimore is hitting on all cylinders. If he can go into Baltimore.


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[Assistant] And disrupt what they're doing and the Browns can somehow come out here with a victory. And then you got Pittsburgh coming up at home, prime time probably. Looks like an opportunity for a Fletch game.


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[Assistant] Everybody watching, you can win the Defensive Player of the Year award in the next...


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[Assistant] This makes a difference when you work with people that you like.


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[Assistant] And you, and you have a good rapport with them. You do things off the field. You do things on the field. You hang out with each other.


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[Assistant] When you see a picture of you guys laughing and joking on the bench, that makes a, that, that makes a world of difference right there, man. Like people don't, people underestimate that. When you, I've been on horrible teams, and I've been on good teams, and the good teams I've ever been on,


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[Assistant] You know, I like the fact that uhm, they're starting to run the ball more out of shotgun. You're starting to see more delay draws, different things like that. And look, like, I said it, you know, last week on The Barber Shop, when we were doing the podcast, I said, look,


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[Assistant] Sometimes you gotta look in the mirror and say, okay, well, let me look and see what my identity is. And even if we got Deshaun Watson, what's the best way that we could go about winning football games? And if you could get Deshaun Watson to play clean football, he's not gonna turn the ball, if he doesn't turn the ball over, and if he scrambles to pick up first downs,


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[Assistant] Now you'll start to get people that'll come up a little bit and he can do the scramble drill. We haven't even seen him do the scramble drill yet this year because he just hasn't, it hasn't been called for, it hasn't been what was in the books, in the plans.


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[Assistant] Now you can start adding things like RPOs in the game, not just you see that he can take a hitters or a few hits and he's ready to go. Uhm, but for me, uhm, when DPJ, you know, got traded,


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[Assistant] A lot of people thought that it might be Cedric Tillman or David Bell.


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[Assistant] No, get ready. There's tight ends and they're gonna be involved. Like Harrison Bryant, David Njoka was seeing more, I would say David Njoka was almost a second.


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[Assistant] Option for Joshon Watson. He's almost the second guy he's looking for. And we saw, what's his 84? I forget his name all the time.


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[Assistant] I didn't, I hadn't seen him since training camp. So get ready for a lot of that stuff. And guess what? I wasn't even mad at the Stefanski's gadgets with it, with this stuff. I saw Kareem Hunt and his shotgun. I saw him do a fake reverse. I seen him go with the full house backfield, shifted into it. And I love the Nick Harris stuff at full back. So, hey, you know, I like it.


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[Assistant] Has this ever been done on TV before? So I was watching 19 Action News. I was watching the fifth quarter. You're not allowed to watch them. I watch all of them.


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[Assistant] They had, they had the ticker on, and the ticker was like, he's sitting there, and the top says, Browns won 27-0, and he's smiling, and at the bottom, there's guys tweeting, just trolling, like, he's still hurt, get him out of here, he's terrible, we should've never gave up the picks, he's, like, it was like every single comment, and I'm like,


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[Assistant] These people are not, I mean, it almost seems like they didn't even watch the game. You would have swore up and down and said the Cardinals won 27-0.


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[Assistant] I was like, dang. And right now you'd rather have a CJ Stroud than both of those guys. Yeaah. It's crazy. But yeaah, I'm with Jason. Uhm, at this point,


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[Assistant] It's almost like, you know, we go out, you try to... It's like voting now. Like...


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[Assistant] Everybody knows who they gonna vote for. No one's trans, no one's flippin'. No one, you could, I could come to you with all the information in the world, you gonna say, I ain't doin' that. It's the same thing with Deshaun Watson. It's already baked in a cake. Uhm, the only way he gets, the only way he turns around is if he wins the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] If you were brought here in a trade, if you were brought here in free agency, you don't get the same leeway as the guys they traded, that we drafted here.


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[Assistant] In some, in some instances, people like, shows you this is really good quality. I dropped it. Don't talk about that. I dropped it. People are gonna go.


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[Assistant] Don't talk about the bottle. Ah, that's Kool-Aid mafia. We can talk about that. But no, but look, even Johnny Manziel, Johnny Manziel admitted he did not care, did not like his teammates, didn't look at his book all year and he didn't get killed like this. He didn't get destroyed like this. I'm like, oh, he was getting killed.


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[Assistant] Killed by the end. By the end. But there were people that were like, nah, that's just Johnny being Johnny. Well, Sean hasn't played well enough.


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[Assistant] I'ma go, cause I seen a couple throws, I'ma give him a B-. 2.7.


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[Assistant] No, there's one, there's one, there's the one Jake Burns has where he fits this ball in this window.


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[Assistant] Now they are. And we don't hit them, we don't, by the way, we don't hit deep balls. I could name one, I could name on my hand, 10, 10 players or 10 players that hit deep balls ever in Cleveland. We, we're not just dropping back, throwing bombs on people. That don't happen. One thing real quick.


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[Assistant] Does anything, does anything translate that you think could carry over to Baltimore?


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[Assistant] Hey listen, Mark Cooper, 5 for 139 I believe.


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[Assistant] The fact that I, this is why I like this, man, and you could probably set this up a little bit too.


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[Assistant] He's got a journalist background, that's why. I'm my man. He's really good. She come in telling all these little tidbits stories and stuff. I said, okay, I see you. Now, Marty Cooper, I love the fact that now we at a level where, A, you got a receiver that has enough cash that can come up to a quarterback.


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[Assistant] And do it in the right way and say, listen, this is how they doing. He did it in his exact same tone. Hey, uhm.


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[Assistant] That's definitely cool to see cause we, you know, that's what you know you gotta lead. We've seen the Montanas and Rices do that. We've seen, uh, you know, all the top names, the combos do that. Go out there and you just draw something up and you got enough chemistry to not only complete it, but you got enough heart to say this is what we gonna do and go off strip. So I love the fact that he's doing that and Amari Cooper for me, uhm,


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[Assistant] He's one of the guys that I will say that came from the outside, but we love Amari Cooper, right? Like he's one of them dudes that we feel like he is from here. He is of us. And a lot of people want to talk about like his number and his cap number. I'm like, man, look.


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[Assistant] And this man, and the most oppressive thing is this man is doing it all in lineman cleats. This man, somebody get, somebody get Amari Cooper to go, that man has, he has the same cleats as Dewan Jones. He had the high top joints with the rubber, so I'm like, dang Amari, you don't got nothing that signifies you a baller. No gloves, no shields.


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[Assistant] Can you imagine going out, can you imagine going in your house for a gathering and it's him, Nick Chubb and Amari Cooper just hanging out?


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[Assistant] I think they write notes to each other. Nobody say a word. No one's saying a word, bro. I really enjoyed our time today, Nick.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, Leroy says something and I like what he says when it comes to this and his mindset set on plays and play calling. The best teams in the world, you know what they're running.


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[Assistant] You know what the tendencies are. You know what the down the distance and where on the field they like to call certain plays. They ain't got nothing to do with you stopping it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, I can know you're about to run the football, but can I get off a block and disengage from a monster on the other side of me? And for the Browns, I look at it this way. The Browns have enough, what shall I say, creativity, because you can have creativity and just run the ball or throw the ball from different places, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, you can't dictate. They're very creative in the screen game. They play three different running backs that all have different styles of running and where they like to get and get downhill. Uhm, Amari Cooper is not just a guy that's just gonna run straight past you. It's the fact that he can set you up off the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] Uh, off press man coverage. He, he, he, he, he do outside stims. He's explosive at the top of his routes. And he's showing he got enough speed to get behind you. So.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not, I'm not concerned about that because the Cleveland Browns, they're predicated on


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, sometimes, and this is the, this is why I give him credit, when you are playing a team,


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[Assistant] Yes. Significantly. If you give me one characteristic or one thing that I would take and not like about the game yesterday is...


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[Assistant] I'm going with Kareem Hunt, short yardage and goal line. Pierre Strong is the best back on his team. It's not even close. When you watch them run inside zone, he's more decisive, his landmarks are more accurate, he gets up field and he puts his shoulder pads down and he leans forward.


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[Assistant] And if you think you're going to run outside zone plays and you're going to stretch Pittsburgh or Baltimore out, sideline to sideline, they're too fast. Patrick Queen, Roquan Smith, the safeties come up and play the run very well. They play their safety as a third linebacker. So you need to get the ball and get up field.


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[Assistant] And I think the fact, all the sideline, sideline stuff not gonna work. And I think,


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[Assistant] I think what Stefanski was doing is he wanted to see if Kareem Hunt, as to Jason Point was, is, is Jerome Ford a feature back?


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[Assistant] Well, Jerome Ford, like, you know, he said, Jerome Ford has shown home run ability.


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[Assistant] And home run ability is intoxicating when you have an offense that struggles a little bit. Because you think, hey, if I keep giving it to him, this guy has an ability to go to the distance, take the distance, you know what I'm saying, and get points on the board now instead of field goals. I get where you're coming from.


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[Assistant] As you said, on first and second down, you need to get guys that are going to get four, five yards and then put you in that good position and use them. They want to use Jerome Ford, uhm, as a third down guy or a guy that you want to run on screens and different things like that.


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[Assistant] Sure, but I think it needs to be a split and he doesn't need to be seeing 20 carries.


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[Assistant] And, uh, so yeaah, you know, we, we, we would be amiss if we didn't, you know, talk about Judge Will's injury.


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[Assistant] Hudson is a drop off from Jed Wills in the run game. Oh, yeaah. I, I, I'd be, I, I'd want people to understand that before they go in and be like, I thought you said that Wills was terrible and Hudson, no, we never advocated for Hudson coming in all the minutes. He is a drop off in terms of the physicality and being able- I guess we'll see.


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[Assistant] Well, what they're gonna do a lot is this. Uhm, you're gonna see a lot of Nick Harris this week. They're gonna put him at tight end.


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[Assistant] They're going to put him at full back. They're going to run some unbalanced line and he'll be like the tight end companion that will be blocking right next to Hudson and trying to block guys up. How bad is that?


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[Assistant] He's running like he got a refrigerator on his back. Like, I'm just like, man.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that does don't work. And my thing is, if he's not running that route, what is he running?


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[Assistant] Cause here's the thing, I want more length outside in terms of if a runner knows outside routes. There's a couple times in a Pittsburgh game where he just didn't have the wingspan or catch radius to catch the football. And plus when you throwing it to smaller guys,


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[Assistant] There's less room for error. Like, you can't throw high, you can't really throw, if you throw it low, there's a chance you could skip the football. You really can't put it in a way where they could go up and get jump balls, so it's like, I don't know where the Rossi's gonna run.


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[Assistant] I think uhm, the only time I remember hearing that was during the Brian Hoyer situation. When Mike Petten was here, they were seven and four.


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[Assistant] They went down to Cincinnati, beat Cincinnati badly in primetime.


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[Assistant] And they're just like, the Browns were in first place in the latest that they have been in years. And I think, uh, people were just like, oh, like,


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[Assistant] Extend, extend, extend him. Let's get this done. I don't know, I don't think I would.


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[Assistant] They started playing Johnny. Then Gordon came back and then the wheels fell off in the Atlanta game.


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[Assistant] And it was just downhill. But I'll say this. I was talking about this on a barber shop a couple weeks ago. I said, look, there's just two ways this thing can go.


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[Assistant] That could get, you could get to a point, and I say six games, right? And, and he was, what were we after, six games? What was it, we was four and three? Four and two.


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[Assistant] We were 4-2. 4-2 after six games. So, and that was without the quarterback. So, you know, when you get past that and you get to the end of the season, you do have an opportunity to say, look,


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[Assistant] I mean, I passed, I went through the gauntlet right here. Like, I had a quarterback, I missed my best player, Nick Chubb. I've lost my left tackle, I've lost my right tackle.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, what else do you want? And he's now in a position where yeaah, they could offer him an extension, cause here's the thing, I don't want anybody to get just twisted.


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[Assistant] We understand, or I understand very well what it means if you say, he's fired. I get it. That's start over.


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[Assistant] No matter what guys want to say, that's a start over bro. Because every new additional coach that comes in here,


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[Assistant] So here's the thing, I don't want to have the repercussions of saying that this whole thing


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[Assistant] This whole culmination of what we went through over the last five to six years is gonna end in him getting fired because that means everything we did to be 1 in 31 was Sashi Brown and all that other stuff, tear it down to the stubs.


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[Assistant] We telling ourselves that that didn't work and it was all for naught.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And if he, and if he, I'll say this, I mean, look, I'm honest, bro. You can say what you want, Duke or knee jerk. I don't know. I think they're still building a new... What is happening?


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[Assistant] If somebody falls through the ceiling. Yeah. So, uh, I'll say this. If the Browns win a division, he's going to win Coach of the Year again.


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[Assistant] But the comments in the chat are two different entities too. Yea, that's true. The comments under the page are grossly different from the chat that happens during the show.


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[Assistant] Do you not, here's the thing, this is the era we live in.


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[Assistant] We live in a place where people validate their own opinion on the same level as experts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, I'm like, people now hold themselves so high that their opinions, and then people are oblivious to real facts. You ask somebody a real fact, you'd be like, is the sky blue today? They'd be like, well, I don't know. Like, there's people that believe the earth is still flat, bull.


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[Assistant] Because I see that a lot when people talk about injuries and he's not injured. There's literally, I think 60% of the people that when they comment on Deshaun Watson, they keep saying,


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[Assistant] There's no tear in there. There's no tear. There's nothing. He doesn't have anything. There's no tear. I'm like, bro, like, what are you... Listen, if you got a character that's just a letter...


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[Assistant] If you got a picture of somebody else, like a dog or a happy meal, or if you just don't, no, you don't.


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[Assistant] If the industry is flooded with everybody that wants to be somebody who talks about sports for a living, how do you get noticed and recognized? Do you come up with, do you say dumb things instead of being like no one cares about your statistics?


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[Assistant] Say for instance, you are a center fielder. And you, that's it. That's your baseball.


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[Assistant] But there's like five or six dudes chasing you. Right. Ready to punch you in the face when you- Yea, exactly. And then you gotta fight the elements, the ball is moving, and when they kick it, they kick it so high that the ball actually goes above the lights. And then you gotta, you gotta track the football while you're doing all this stuff. Right. It's crazy.


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[Assistant] Well, well listen, for him, his wife is telling him when he gets his lunch pail, hey, you might want to do something, dawg.


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[Assistant] Like, like, like they gave you the look. They got rid of it. That's the quickest name switch and number flip I've ever seen. They sold that 11 on that jersey so fast.


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[Assistant] They didn't even, they didn't even give a time to let us pour out no liquor for DPJ. We couldn't pour nothing out for the homies. And he already out of here. His wife was like, listen, you might want to do something because they need a returner. And that's the been the worst kept secret in Cleveland. Hey.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they didn't flex it. I'm surprised, but they did not flex it.


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[Assistant] Okay, I don't like, I don't like, for me, I like 12 o'clock or 1 o'clock games. Uhm, unless it's just, you know, Monday night football or something, but I like my 1 o'clock games. I don't like night games.


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[Assistant] I don't know much about them. Uhm, hopefully, uh, they do right by them. You know, like, in terms of, are you going to go out and get, you know what I'm saying, some bats for the man? Are you going to go out? Because here's the thing.


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[Assistant] Anybody you bring in after Tito, you gotta, you gotta realize this. The organization is in a very vulnerable spot. Because when you do have Tito, what happens is...


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[Assistant] Guys like me, fair rather guys, or guys that are, you know, I watch, I'm gonna watch you if you get to the playoffs, or if you, you got a great team.


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[Assistant] The fair weather people is where you make your money at. The fair weather guys, the walk up crowds, those guys, that's where, that's where they're gonna be putting money in your pockets. But if you look at it and you got a guy who comes in and doesn't really have any cash, he's a new guy, not really a face of anything, then I'm gonna be patient like that.


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[Assistant] They're not going to be waiting on you year after year. You gotta show them dividends today. Tito was like a damn. He held a lot of stuff back. Because the baseball, the hard baseball people wouldn't let the other baseball people jump all over him because he'd be like, listen Tito, be cool. You lucky to have him. He's not getting that.


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[Assistant] Somebody said this, uhm, a little bit like the Steelers. Remember the Steelers were like 12 and 0.


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[Assistant] I thought it was a beautiful thing, and sometimes what you don't understand is,


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[Assistant] And Jason and Jay say this a lot. They say it like,


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[Assistant] People on Twitter or chats or comments.


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[Assistant] That's 10% of the population. That may be the loud team. When I went out there, I saw


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[Assistant] People that just loved being around, being happy. All different races, shapes, sizes of people, men, women. Guys out there, literally kids out there in their gear, having fun and are oblivious to the rest of the stuff. They're like, listen, this today, Sunday,


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[Assistant] I'm enjoying the Browns, I enjoy around being other Browns fans, and whether or not we lose or draw, we're gonna come back Sunday because this is what we do, we support our team, and that energy was, like it uplifts you, it is positivity, and it makes you think, you always say,


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[Assistant] You're gonna get a picture of what the Browns community is, but always watch.


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[Assistant] Don't put all fans in one bucket, because there's people out there that have been traveling, putting money, they guys talk about, hey I've been out here at 430, I've been out here 20 years, Earl's cousin, Earl's cousin, we say he came up to us, he's been doing that same two-step shuffle since 99. Never missed a game.


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[Assistant] They were like, uh, they were like freaked out. They were like, hey, uh, G Bush, uh, like your stuff, but I didn't know you were that big, bro. Right, Mike? That's the people.


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[Assistant] Check out the shorts. We do have videos out of the conversations we have with the people those are out on these shorts.


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[Assistant] Well, as you know, the safety position is near and dear to my heart. So we're going to go through a play where Juan Thornhill did something great and then we're going to break down what Roddy McLeod could do better. So as we look at this first play, you highlight Juan Thornhill, you see Ken Walker.


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[Assistant] Okay, on this play, this ball breaks and that's the post safety. You gotta do everything you can to get this ball down. He does a great job of staying on the back hip of this guy and he does a great job of running it down to get it down on the ground.


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[Assistant] It's a great angle, great patience, and did everything you could to get him down. Let's see it from the backside angle.


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[Assistant] That's why I'm here. Let's look right at Roddy McLeod on this one. You can see Roddy's right here in the post and we're going to look at Mike Ford versus Odell Beckham right there. Odell does a great job coming off of this ball, running this slant.


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[Assistant] And Mike Ford falls down, but Rodney McLeod has to do a better job of taking an angle. He should cut this off and at least make Odell slow his feet down to get those guys that's behind him a chance to tackle it. He misses the angle. Odell Beckham shows you why he still got the speed. Slam.


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[Assistant] Roddy McLeod has to be right up in that area right there to make Odell slow. He's a little late coming out of his break and Odell just runs right around him. He's got to take a better angle on that if he want to make some plays this week. He's a veteran. Do you expect a bounce back from McLeod who can fill those shoes if needed? Roddy McLeod is a Super Bowl champion. He will get it done. That's Coach Todd.


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[Assistant] Oh, the Browns two game west coast road trip starts with an L.


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[Assistant] Not a good feeling on this Monday, but hey, there's still seven and four still in the thick of things in the AFC. The question is,


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[Assistant] How many healthy bodies are they going to have moving forward from the Denver loss? Wow. I looked at the list of names guys. It ain't pretty and it probably isn't going to be much better for the Rams game. Welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Too bad that the Browns couldn't pull out a win in Denver, but as they say, the show must go on.


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[Assistant] Really? I'm gonna save you for last. I think you're gonna go nuts. I am simmer.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I was, I was reading some of the, uh, uh, texts, uh, this morning.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm with you. I don't think it's certainly not time to hit the panic button. However, I know it's a race to 10. Things are getting pretty muddy in the AFC 12 picture.


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[Assistant] Uh, Denver, we had dirt on them. They've turned it around. Completely turned it around.


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[Assistant] Uh, like you, I thought they would lose the Broncos game. They're just a hot football team right now. Denver is playing really good football. It's hard to believe this is the same team that gave up 70. I know. Because you talk about a team grabbing itself by the bootstraps and picking itself up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the last point I'll make before I hand it over to G. Bush, and I think this will probably pivot well into Garrett's comments. Uhm, you gotta know your opponent, you gotta know what they do well, and you have to know what they don't do well. And what they didn't do well is stop the run. And why they thought they were gonna go into Denver,


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[Assistant] With a very green and inexperienced quarterback and throw the ball all over mile high and come back with the victory.


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[Assistant] I'm perplexed by that. I am absolutely flummoxed as to why the game plan was so aerial.


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[Assistant] Even in the fourth quarter when it's a 17 to 12 game, even at that point when you looked at the numbers, they were way out of balance. Two runs for, or two throws for every run. And you're in that game up until that point. Uh, serious questions about the play calling.


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[Assistant] But it's one game. They've got to regroup. They've got to come back against the Rams. But by the way, it's going to be no easy task now that Williams is healthy and they look like they can run all over everybody right now. Garrett.


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[Assistant] Just a kid from Akron. Doing pretty well on the FanDuel app. That's not bad. Not bad at all.


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[Assistant] Alright, we talked about the game plan a little bit. I touched on it. Uhm, thoughts from you guys?


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[Assistant] 42 passes, 16 handoffs, I believe, or at least attempted 16 running back runs, 16 running back runs, handoffs to the running backs. They had a couple of other mixed in there.


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[Assistant] The thing that the trick plays, and both touched on this, they're high risk and they're high reward. Whenever you ask someone to do something that they don't ordinarily do, when you ask a tight end to crawl up under center and take a snap, that's out of his norm. When you ask a running back to catch a pitch and make a pitch on the fly,


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[Assistant] 80 yard drive down the field, score a touchdown, take the lead and now put the onus on the Denver offense.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but again, you're taking out, every team has obvious passing situations in every game.


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[Assistant] I know, but again, the metrics also say that


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[Assistant] So, in the vein of doing what Bill Belichick does before every game.


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[Assistant] What does the opponent do that you can take advantage of? I just thought it lined up perfectly for the Browns. And the one thing that was interesting too, most of the games this year, they've had the time of possession, they've run more plays. Obviously that wasn't the case yesterday.


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[Assistant] When you look at Denver's stats, if you would have said this is what Denver's going to do offensively.


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[Assistant] Alarmingly well against this Brown's defense. We can get into that later.


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[Assistant] I thought it was dead. I thought it was too. I thought we'd seen the last of it a couple of weeks ago, but I can't imagine he's going to go back to that well.


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[Assistant] But gee, let me, let me be devil's advocate for one second, because when you look at the injuries that this team has across the board,


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[Assistant] Sometimes, it almost had the feel of a team that knows they're going up against a team. They're a 25 point underdog. Conventional isn't going to get it done. That's exactly right. When you're playing, so it's a valiant effort to try the trick plays. I get it. And every play, by the way, is drawing up the work. But I think Kevin had come to the agreement, or at least he had come to the conclusion after DTR was out,


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[Assistant] Uh oh, now I got another horse off the field.


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[Assistant] I gotta reach into my bag of tricks, and at that point, it's kinda hope and poke. See what happens.


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[Assistant] I mean, obviously it's Joe Flacco. It's gotta be Flacco. And DTR can't play. What if DTR is healthy? I'd go, I stick with DTR. You stay with him. Like, I'm telling you. He looked great in that touchdown drive.


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[Assistant] I agree, I agree. The only way Joe Flacco's on the field is, and by the way, with, with the pieces missing up front, you could, you could be looking at a double digit sack game if you put Joe Flacco in with that offensive line. He is a sitting duck back there. So, I mean, the hope is DTR did not get sacked the whole time.


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[Assistant] No, because- There was four sacks once he was out. He made a couple slide moves in the pocket. He's learning it. Exactly your point. As I'm watching it, I'm thinking the same thing. He is maturing right now. On the road, in a tough environment. By the way, the Broncos


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[Assistant] Took this game to the Browns physically. Yeaah. They out physicaled the Browns. And I know, how important is Denzel Ward to this defense, guys?


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[Assistant] That's my concern. My concern is you're going to have to pass. You can't hand it off every play. Right.


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[Assistant] The season probably is, right now, it's pivoting on the health of Miles Garrett, in my view. Yes. If Miles Garrett is out for the season,


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[Assistant] It could, but like the whole idea to make the playoffs is you want to make a run. Right. Uhm, I, I thought 10 would do it. As I look at the standings now, there's so many teams at 6.


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[Assistant] Well, the thing is, if it is ten, there could be multiple tens. There likely will be. And in that situation, you've got to make sure you win the right games. That's why I think Houston is the double circle game for me. Houston is going to be in that mix for ten wins. Who is the seven seed right now?


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[Assistant] It's jumbled. It's really jumbled. And Denver now would have the tie break over the Browns. The Browns have the tie break over the Colts.


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[Assistant] That Houston game, I'm telling you, that Houston game is going to be massive. But the Buffalo...


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[Assistant] When you look at their schedule, their schedule is absolutely brutal. It's a shame because I'm telling you, I think they played what I think is the best team in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Allen thought he was gonna cut. That's a touchdown. He was open, but he just cut the wrong way and I don't know who it's on. I'm sure they figured it out post game.


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[Assistant] He had a couple drops yesterday where you could see him going through his progression, and I thought that was, you know, you didn't see a lot of that, but you didn't see any of that in the first game.


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[Assistant] You saw a little bit more of that in game number two, but yesterday I thought he was looking through his. So that means the game is slowing down for him. And you know that that there's always a learning curve for the quarterback where they'll all tell you it was going so fast early on. And as it slows down and he sees more, I think this guy is very serviceable. But again, you gotta get help. You gotta stay healthy everywhere else.


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[Assistant] And every team gets injuries. I understand that. Not like this. But this is, I can't remember a team, a Browns team.


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[Assistant] One of your best linemen. Like it's just, they're everywhere. And you know, at some point there is a, you throw your hands up in the air mentality and it feels like they're kind of there right now. Now look, some of these injuries might go the right way. DTR could get cleared. Miles could say, well, it's a, it's a, it's a,


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[Assistant] It's a slight tear or it's, you know, it's dislocation. They can knock it back in and he can play, who knows, but they're going to need him for sure.


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[Assistant] But that's like a pitcher who, the shortstop makes an error and the pitcher throws his, you know, you just can't do it.


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[Assistant] You know who did a good job with that? Lamar Jackson. Now it was, it was in his college career. When he, when I first saw Lamar and everybody was talking about this recruit from Miami that was going to change the world at Louisville. When I first saw him, cause I'd read a lot about him, but I hadn't seen him. I'm like, that's the guy.


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[Assistant] Now, he was much younger, but if you look at how his body has transformed from his freshman sophomore year at Louisville to today, he's bulked up quite a bit.


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[Assistant] It's, it's really tough to have longevity in the NFL when that's the equation.


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[Assistant] At some point the training wheels have to come off. And I agree with you. I do think that he gave him a lot more rope yesterday.


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[Assistant] 22 yards. 22 yards. Plus the angle. You're not, you gotta factor in the angle. I mean, that's outside the numbers. All arm strength. And by the way, credit Amari for running a great route there.


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[Assistant] One of the most impressive things to me about Derek Jeter was how he sort of, you know, if you think about what his logo is, it's that throw. It's the jump throw where you're in the air. It's tough to get something on a ball when you're not planted on the ground. And Jeter made that throw his thing.


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[Assistant] That throw, you're right about not many quarterbacks can make it. There are way more quarterbacks that can't even think about making that throw than those that can. And so it's there. The physical tools are there. You just have to get him in a spot where you're not asking him to do too much.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Because he only missed one game last year, but he was not himself. He wasn't the same guy. And you also, obviously the medical staff will answer this question, but you also have to ask yourself what is the risk of further injury if he goes out there and plays.


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[Assistant] Look, Miles Garrett is one of the best defensive players in the NFL right now. That's very clear.


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[Assistant] Is he better than most with an injured wing? Probably. But is he going to be effective enough to carry the team to where they want to go if he's not 100% particularly if you're risking injury?


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[Assistant] They've got some really difficult questions to answer in the coming days.


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[Assistant] The short field touchdown after the debacle on the reverse.


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[Assistant] No, by no means was it a great performance, but when you look at the yards allowed.


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[Assistant] I mean, and rightfully so, after how poorly they looked and really the team clearly gave up in Miami.


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[Assistant] What they've done after that loss is really...


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[Assistant] Nothing's short of miraculous. Six and two and five in a row. Five in a row now and very much in the, in the playoff mix. Yep. Jay, okay, let's talk about him for a second.


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[Assistant] But they're gonna lay eggs. Yeaah. And they have, a couple this year.


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[Assistant] Does it mean they're not a great defense? I think they still are. By most metrics, they're the best defense in the NFL this year.


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[Assistant] Well, this is the same thing like Garrett, when you lose your best pass rusher, your entire pass rush is gonna suffer, and when you lose your best cover guy, your entire back end is gonna be in somewhat of disarray, and there were times yesterday where it looked like it was. Watch that back end there, Mike.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it felt, I mean, he's right on the human nature thing. Whether you're a player or a fan, when there is a momentum shift like that, it's palpable. And the crowd, I thought their crowd is still one of the best in football. I mean, they were, they were loud yesterday. And Russell wasn't giving you, Russ didn't give you nothing.


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[Assistant] And you know what? That's an ugly game plan, but it works. The Browns have done that a number of times for victories this year. That's why I thought coming into this, don't overcomplicate it. Do what you do and it just happens to match up with what they can't stop. So just feed it.


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[Assistant] Go with it. Put the onus on them to be good at something they haven't been good at.


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[Assistant] What are the Rams? Five and six? They're five and six. Five and six, correct.


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[Assistant] Normal distractions that aren't there when you're practicing at home all week. They're in LA.


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[Assistant] There's a reason that teams from the East, when they go West, lose games. You know, I mean, it's been well documented. And vice versa.


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[Assistant] The clock, the body clock and adjusting to that, it's, it's never easy. Now when a West Coast team does it and they don't come more than a day ahead of the game, their clocks are really screwed up for a one o'clock kick. Yeah, sure. Cause to them it's 10 o'clock in the morning.


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[Assistant] What's the most number of games a quarterback has started in succession?


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[Assistant] Is it three? I think it's three. And it was weeks one, two, three. I'm going through in my head I can't remember that they had the same starting quarterback for four straight weeks.


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[Assistant] Which is, which is nuts. And, you know, when you, we have to look at it from 30,000 feet every once in a while, too. I know we can be very critical of the play calling in the micro, and they deserve it. But, the fact that this team is seven and four,


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[Assistant] And they've been without the key personnel that they've been without, particularly at the most important position where they've had no consistency at that spot all year.


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[Assistant] It's nothing short of a miracle, and if they can somehow...


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[Assistant] Keep these players that are on the fringe healthy and get them back on the field against LA. It is a race to 10. You've got


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[Assistant] You need three wins. You've got to pick up three wins. And I think Houston almost counts as two.


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[Assistant] But the way the injury list looks right now, I can't say that. I wonder what's the line on that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then you can start thinking about, did we get a whole game? Matchups. Yeah, matchups.


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[Assistant] Wild cards can host a playoff game, can't they? Not in the first round. Second round. You'd have to have upsets in the second round. Wait, wait. So, the one and two get a buy.


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[Assistant] No, this is the burp. Oh, they're not getting Marvin Harrison. You never know. They got a long way to go before they can think about getting Marvin Harrison.


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[Assistant] So here's what it comes down to. In this rivalry, and we're going to talk about Ohio State next. In this rivalry, years down the road,


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[Assistant] Versus potentially 10 million dollars. That's easy. That's really easy. But if you can, if you can secure NIL deals, and he's already over seven figures, but if you can push him into, you know, a three or a four million dollar range.


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[Assistant] And college football is that important to him and he wants to roll the dice. I still think he's gone. But I find it interesting that there is discussion that he might. At the end of the day, I think he's gone.


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[Assistant] Or in the NFL. He could, but the difference now is you can still walk away with a seven figure bank account, where in the old days it made perfect sense.


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[Assistant] So what's the path for them to make the playoffs? If Louisville loses, or excuse me, if Florida State loses and Washington loses.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. When it comes to the one lost teams.


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[Assistant] And there's a number of them. The committee has always done it this way. Whose loss is most impressive.


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[Assistant] You can't say that none of those other games matter. If they lose to Notre Dame, over. If they lose at Penn State, over.


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[Assistant] What I'm saying is, before I fire a coach, I have to have a replacement. And there's one guy, so you're telling me that you would take anybody.


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[Assistant] But, I know how Mike is wired. I know that Scarlett and Gray are through his veins. I was, I covered him when he was a player. I got to know him much better since. That is his job.


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[Assistant] That's, that's what he wants. Now, is he willing to leave Tennessee for that right now? I don't know. I don't know either. But if I'm, if I'm the brass at Ohio State


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[Assistant] I am at least talking to him to see if I can get him.


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[Assistant] If you, if you make a change right now and the players have the ability that they do to move and leave and go, look out. And that has to be taken into consideration.


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[Assistant] You have to look at how things are unfolding too. Last year, after you lost the Michigan game, there was cries last year too.


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[Assistant] He got into the Georgia game. They were a 14 point dog. What were they?


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[Assistant] You say he should have been fired last year. How do you fire a coach that loses on a last second miss field goal to the team that was talked about coming into the playoffs?


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[Assistant] What's crazy to me is, like, Harbaugh withstood an awful start to his career at Michigan.


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[Assistant] And, and the, the narrative was, wow, eight and three, but beats Michigan, but you're gonna fire him. And so...


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[Assistant] See, when you say that ball, it does kind of expose your lack of college football awareness. And here's why. No it doesn't. In Texas, you know what they say in Texas? You know what they say at USC, UCLA, Florida, Florida State, all the blue bloods. Look at Florida this year.


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[Assistant] They say that in Alabama, which didn't hold serve this year. They say that for years they said that at Florida. Those are bad comparisons, Jay. Why?


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[Assistant] What are they at USC? They're higher than USC. What are they at U.S. Texas? At LSU? At Alabama? I think they're higher than LSU. Are they higher than they are at Alabama?


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[Assistant] If you're gonna tell me that Ohio State isn't one of them, and I'm saying top five, like they're perennially there. So if you're gonna make a move,


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[Assistant] What it really, and that's why I'm surprised you say make it. To me, as a Buckeye fan, I have been somewhat embarrassed by the fan base for a long time. Because overly entitled.


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[Assistant] No, I mean even, even more recently than that. With Urban, they were, they were able, and by the way, when you pass the baton, that's when you know you've got a program that's


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[Assistant] Because they played at Michigan. Anybody that knows this rivalry knows how difficult it is to go into one of the other stadiums. That's why for years they would checkerboard the schedule.


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[Assistant] There were coaches in the eighties and nineties that used to love to have those senior laden classes in the odd years when they got the home game.


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[Assistant] It is. I've seen enough. It is, but see, that's the entitled Ohio State fan base saying, wait, we should win it every year. Not every year.


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[Assistant] They go to the AFC Championship game every year. That's dynastic.


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[Assistant] I just care about the seven yards per carry that Ford was getting. You can't see that. I can't talk with you about it.


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[Assistant] As a black man to the chat, I want to throw something out there. Can somebody tell me why people hate Nickelback? I'm confused. I'm not of the culture. Just explain to me why.


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[Assistant] Here's what, here's what they should do. There's not enough skin in the game. If you're going to do something, don't half step. Hey, give, give the team that one a lottery pick. Bet you y'all have watched it. I'll be all up in these games.


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[Assistant] We forgot one. This is how you remind me. There you go, Nickelback. That's two. Nice. Oh, yeah, man.


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[Assistant] I tell you, listen, we messin' it here, man. They see the key to football, if you just really boil it down to, is the run game.


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[Assistant] It is. It's the key to, it's the key to the whole game. We say, okay, we gotta get Miles Garrett on third down. How do you, how you get on third down? Yeah.


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[Assistant] You earn the right to get on third down. All third downs are not created equally. If you third and three, you're in trouble because they can run anything. You mean third and long. To do that, you gotta stop the run. And we look at the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] Uh, their defense is dominant when it is third and long, third and nine, and they are getting penetration in the backfield. As the season wears along, all around the league, the game switches up because it's colder, you have attrition, guys have been pounding each other for a whole year. When you get to this time of the day,


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[Assistant] Everybody ain't throwing a- look at the numbers. Nobody's throwing a ball 40, 60 times for 400 yards.


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[Assistant] Now, Pooka the Cool is wide open. Now you can hit Higbee.


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[Assistant] I would, listen, people ask me, would you rather play a team that is balanced or throws a ball inside?


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[Assistant] Give me the authority. If they throw it 60 times, I know at least 20 of those times I'm going to get a pass rush.


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[Assistant] But if you tell me they gonna split it up 30 and 30 and I don't know what's coming. It could be outside zone, inside zone, play action. Now I can't guess. I can't just say I'm gonna hit a swim move off the football and do this. No, you gotta play everything down the middle. And when you start to get to this point in the season, guys are injured.


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[Assistant] You guys are not going to be 100%. And it's difficult for, for defensive linemen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right. Wrist, hands, elbows. You start to see people really wrapped up as the season goes down. And running the football is all about controlling somebody up front. And you look at what the, uh, you look at what the, uh, the Broncos did.


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[Assistant] Broncos, you know, they didn't do anything special, but they just threw the ball 22 times. He completed what, you know.