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[Assistant] You can't see, if something is standing right there, you can't see that in that mirror because, you know, the car sits low and the mirror is high. So you see, you only see like,


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[Assistant] You gotta just know what the fuck is going on. You only see like the back flap down, you know what I'm saying? And so you can't see what the fuck is going on, so all you will see was like shadows.


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[Assistant] So, me and my man, we sitting in the car, whatever, whatever. It's, we, it's two motherfuckers like standing like, like.


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[Assistant] It ain't about nothing. I ain't think about nothing. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. We were sitting there. But we had, we had made a little comment to each other like, yo, like if niggas was to run down on us because we just happened to be, we was butt naked where we was at. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] But yeaah, that's what was going on and shit, and we just, we just commented that with each other and shit, so then boom, the next day I checked my DM, you know what I'm saying, because I was OT and shit, where I was at, you know what I'm saying, I was playing around out there and shit, I was having fun and shit, so, you know what I'm saying, I was in my DMs, you know what I'm saying, doing all the shit, and motherfucker had hit me,


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[Assistant] And was like, yo bro, the show was popping yesterday and shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, fuck with you, uh, uh, uh, uh, and he sent me a video.


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[Assistant] And the video is from the two motherfuckers who were standing at the shit.


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[Assistant] Motherfucker, there was like six kids in there from fucking Anchorage, Alaska, you know what I'm saying? They flew in from Alaska, like, bro, like, we fuck with you. Like, when I sent my merch out, like,


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[Assistant] I send a lot of merch, I send more merch to motherfucking Australia than to a lot of states, you know what I'm saying? And Brazil, like it is weird, like it's like weird to see like where your shit is like.


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[Assistant] Shit. I'm gonna have to drop this video on Monday. I just wanna show you...


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[Assistant] Even if, whatever, however it pans out, you know what I'm saying? You know what it's gonna do.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? Yea, man, you know what I'm saying? Like, yea, yea, I mean, like, a lot of motherfuckers know me as Retchie P and shit, you know what I'm saying, but.


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[Assistant] Plenty shit going on, man. Big shit going on, man. Just watch me, man. You know what I'm saying? Fuck with your boy, man. Go follow me on all social media too. My Twitter shit all fucked up.


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[Assistant] He gonna figure he gonna get you to where you need to go and shit. My whole Twitter situation fucked up. I lost my verification check the other day. I tried to change my ad name, thought I was doing something, fucked my whole situation up.


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[Assistant] When you change your, when you change your at name, you know what I'm saying, people already gotta figure that out, they gotta get used to a new at name, but when you also lose your verification check, I'm like a fake Twitter, you know what I'm saying, like my tweets are not being received as they normally, they normally have, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] Let's not take ourselves too seriously here, not seriously at all. I'm Celestine Miller.


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[Assistant] Probably better. Darling, you wouldn't know if you did go.


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[Assistant] Run along and have a good time. Well, I'll see if I can bring you back his gold cup. Today I feel as though I could do anything. Bye. Goodbye.


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[Assistant] For those who don't know, Roseman is a guy, a friend of the show, frequent collaborator, co-host.


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[Assistant] Or just, just everything. Everything seems strange in retrospect.


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[Assistant] It just sort of, you know, I have noticed it with a lot of podcasts too, Joe Rogan, Combat Jack, they sort of like tend to like get some reinforcements over, over time and then they sort of realize that they.


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[Assistant] Really more in it for doing the solo in a way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was just outrageous. It's like four mics, six, seven, eight people. Like why, why were we even attempting to do that? There was definitely episodes where it was like driving me insane.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, six people screaming in a room, and, and, as, when, when, you know, you have people who understand what it is to be a co-host, maybe it could work if you have six people, you know, you look at like Howard Stern, he's got like four people on mics.


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[Assistant] It was a little bit of an insecurity thing in a way, in the sense that like, well, if this conversation doesn't go well, at least I can fall back on being able to bounce back and forth with Roseman, which is good, but at the same time, it started to sort of feel like I was handicapping myself, like by giving myself that out.


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[Assistant] So it was really never anything personally about like your co-host style though and same thing I would say for house phone it was more just the fact that like


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[Assistant] Like when I think about, you know, interviews that I have coming up that I'm excited about, for the most part, I'm excited to like see how it unfolds one-on-one. And if anything, I want less people in the room. Like that's a big thing that I've been working on is making there be none of their people in the room and none of my people so that it could, like when Joe Rogan does his shit,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean at the end of the day you sort of have to look at like what people want from the product and over time with Nojumper I started to realize like, oh people fuck with this because it's a really really in depth look into the minds of people that you might not normally get that from because you know,


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[Assistant] The average person my age who's like a good interviewer or whatever probably is not as focused on rap music as I am, you know? So that's kind of how it seems sort of unique is that like nobody else was going to do like a really, really good Thousand Band Fonny interview before I did it in a way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's why I, you know, over the past couple months is the time during which I've really begun to like see the full vision for what Nojumper as a media company is going to look like. And I want to talk about that more as well as my personal channel. I just want to do a little promotion real quick. Let's just say Nojumper.com, this new rope gang merch that we have in stock. Nojumper hats, shirts.


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[Assistant] I like that. That's a touch of detail. That's a rope gang, uh, signature right there.


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[Assistant] Insignia. And I also just want to say that a lot of people watching this might not realize that I now have my own personal YouTube channel called Adam22 and that's where I've been posting my vlogs. There's going to be other types of content that's going to appear there as well. And that's one thing that I've really been thinking is that the host chats on NoJumper loved them.


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[Assistant] But ultimately ended up feeling like too much for the channel, so that's something that I think I'm gonna bring back to the Adam 22 thing, and I really wanna do that weekly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like with the Adam 22 YouTube channel, like with the vlogs and everything, and then, and then, I like the idea of maybe like a weekly podcast that's just sort of like, okay, here's me, here's a few of my friends, let's talk about stuff, like a real deep dive into our personal lives type thing, whereas like No Jumper has just become something so much bigger.


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[Assistant] That I don't think that it should encompass that now. And like, and I feel the same way like on the Adam 22 show, like if we sit there and talk about your shit for a half hour, it's like Robesman, House Phone, even like, you know, Chris Long, whoever the people that I'm hanging out around.


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[Assistant] My whole thing, okay, so as stands right now, we basically have two content formats on no jumper, which is the podcast and then the exposed series.


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[Assistant] And we're, we're, we have another style of content that's coming that doesn't necessarily have a name yet, but those are gonna be more like, uh,


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[Assistant] Like, I'm supposed to do one, that'll just give away, is like, smoke perp, and I'm 22, go to the Gucci store, type thing, where I bring an actual filmer. That might be tough, cause I don't know if they're gonna let us film in there.


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[Assistant] I really think No Jumper could be like a really dope media company overall. So for me to take away my iPhone vlogging that I had grown so, grown so fond of.


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[Assistant] That was really my way of separating and saying, okay, this no genre thing is not all about me because as soon as I started to produce like the exposed content that was taking longer to produce, I just really didn't feel good about sticking my random ass vlog next to it. And I just woke up one day and was like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I don't like to make those kind of vlogs anymore. I don't like to make vlogs unless I'm actually having like a good, full day. And typically full days don't include, uh,


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[Assistant] Like, like, if I'm doing interview prep or interviews themselves or live streams, it's almost impossible for me to like really do a good vlog because they're just so time intensive. Like today I did so much research for a rapper interview, so it's like I don't know what the vlog would have really been.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was like, why? That was obviously not your strong suit. Our strong suit is us just having a good rapport and being able to, yeah, and not that you're a bad interview either, because I feel like we, do you think we did any like really good introspective interviews together that stand out to you?


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause like, cause we have like the, the, the, the boss, big boss man guy and then you're like more sensitive and I always thought that was super funny with girls cause it's like I'm not really willing to give much and then meanwhile you're like very giving.


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[Assistant] I love that. When I think about it, you know what's one thing I was thinking about, cause I tried to listen to the last podcast that we did together, which is probably like 15 months old at this point.


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[Assistant] I feel like this one will do quite well, just cause it's a million, it's just, you know, more people know who I am now and stuff. But I was thinking, that's like the thing that stands out to me a lot now. By the way, I was kinda, I tried to listen like the first 15 minutes and it was a little rough because I talked about my childhood a lot. A lot of childhood abuse talk.


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[Assistant] I want this person, I want this person, and just to pick who I actually think is dope, which is, so it's a nice change. It was hard to get interviews early on, and now it's like, I'm kinda like beating them off with a stick every day.


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[Assistant] Well, Jake Paul, I believe, has kinda shown himself to be a bit of a shithead over the past year or so, six months that I've been aware of him. He's definitely done some...


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[Assistant] Some weird things, I don't know, sometimes I wonder if he's just really, really intentionally playing this like, hateable character because you know, like when I listen to him rap, I'm like, well there's no way that we're supposed to like this or think this is good, right? Like, he would've gone and got a writer if he wanted people to like it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like he's rapping as badly as possible. And you know, I heard that he writes all the raps for everybody else in his crew too, which is very strange to me. It's like, so do you think you're good at it or do you think that you're so good at being bad at it that you should be bad at it for everybody else too?


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[Assistant] Just watch Phil DeFranco give like a full recap of it.


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[Assistant] It's kind of shady on all parts. I don't know who to believe. Well, and I'm friends with FaZe Banks, but it does seem like everybody was kind of lying, which doesn't surprise me that much because when you get into a bar fight, you really know what's going on. Like, you know.


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[Assistant] And it's just weird because when I watched him swing on that guy from behind after he hit a listen, he didn't hit a listen, maybe like pushed her a little bit, but I mean, you're already mad as fuck. You just seen a guy like kinda sorta touch your girl.


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[Assistant] You know, a big part of this argument seemed to be hinging on the idea that he was trying to get into the women's restroom. And then nobody seems to suggest that like, oh, why would a guy be going into a women's restroom? The only reason a guy goes into a women's restroom is to do cocaine at the bar, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know that FaZe Banks does that, I've definitely never did that with him, but it just seemed kind of interesting to me. Also, and I like him, but I just want to say that in that video, when I watched the Phil DeFranco recap, it's like, I never knew that he was bald.


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[Assistant] Well, if you kept your beard, it would be one thing. I don't know, yeah, I don't- like me and Rosenberg are sitting here talking to each other and we didn't have- we had shaved heads. When I interviewed Wyclef, I definitely threw a hat on, though.


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[Assistant] I didn't want, I felt like I didn't want to give any room for him to assume the wrong thing.


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[Assistant] It was right after that last interview we did. So that's really interesting. In that interview too, which is funny,


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[Assistant] Is that I was sick, and I had like a real fuzzy face, and I still had hair, I wasn't very like well groomed or anything, so I looked like a fucking mess in that one, and in the thumbnail even I had my-


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[Assistant] Hood up and everything. Uh, I just kinda look like a mess. That was...


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[Assistant] No yea, when it first started out, it was a BMX channel. That's why when you look at the most popular, that's why-


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[Assistant] Right, I'm never, like, when am I ever gonna make a piece of content that's more than 15 million?


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[Assistant] Maybe, but that one still gets millions of views per month. What he's talking about is if you go to the NoJumper YouTube and you look at the most popular videos, when I first started, okay, I'm just gonna say this so that you know exactly what happens. When I first started, the idea was for that channel to be all how-to's about BMX tricks.


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[Assistant] And then over time sort of started to realize, like, that's stupid, I should just put those how-to's onto the same BMX channel.


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[Assistant] The other account that is still the come of BMX, and then at a certain point, the main channel got fucked up, and I couldn't, uh, I couldn't put any videos on it for a couple months.


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[Assistant] Because of like a content strike or something. The channel was flagged. So I had to use the other channel. So I just, during that like a couple month period, I put a bunch of videos onto that, the channel that's now no jumper. And a few of them happened to do incredibly well. Got millions of views. And then...


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[Assistant] Once the bit, the other channel got re-enabled, I just went back to using that one, and then the, the no jumper channel sort of sat dormant for a long time. And even for a while I was putting up a lot of like crash clips, like,


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[Assistant] You can go to youtube.com slash NoJumper, but it's also youtube.com slash TheComeUpHowTo's. So.


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[Assistant] Or youtube.com slash adam22forever is my personal channel.


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[Assistant] I reached out to, uh, my, my network and I just said, hey, like, do I have any recourse on this? Because it's, and you know what the thing about it that hurts so bad is that it's like, my, my video, A Day in the Life of Lil Pump, has over five million views. I put it out like a little over a month ago or whatever. That video went from getting like,


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[Assistant] 300,000 views a day to getting like 20,000 views a day as soon as the monetization status changed.


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[Assistant] Right, and so that is kind of like, the really insulting part is just that it's not just that, oh I don't get to make a bunch of money off it. I would be willing to accept that, but it's the fact that it's gonna get a tiny percentage of the audience, like with this video, if I put this on YouTube and it says like,


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[Assistant] Confirmed by Man in Review that this can't be monetized. It's like, what are- the fact that I have no recourse and that it's so unfair and that a tiny percentage of my audience is gonna see it, it's just like-


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[Assistant] It's hard to keep going at that point. Somehow I broke through that.


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[Assistant] And you know what's crazy about it too, is that the live streaming thing is not in any way, uh,


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[Assistant] It's not really in any way different than the Patreon thing. It's still just a way for people to donate money, but they get to feel involved because we listen to their song, we watch their music video, whatever. You know, I don't do the livestream thing that much. I do it like once every week or two now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't really, I, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that doing it too much, I hate, like I really hate, like I can do it once a week. I'm really not trying to, and I was telling like my, uh, my personal trainer, which is, there's, there's a new thing, I was telling him today, and, and he was like, you make how much money on it?


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[Assistant] And uh, and he's like, why don't you do it every night? I'm like, no, I can't. I cannot do it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I have to thank those people who fucked with me on the livestreaming side of things because when I lost that fucking 30 plus thousand dollars a month that I lost from the demonetization thing,


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[Assistant] It was basically like, oh, then I started live streaming and then that basically was able to sort of fill in much of the gap that I...


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[Assistant] The, the live streaming thing really, I had, I had known that I wanted to try it out and I still toy with the idea of doing live interviews that are like doing an interview like this live and then it just stays online after.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but then we took the file and edited it and put it out after. The thing with Joe Rogan, he does it live and then it just stays online on YouTube afterwards like that, which is pretty cool for us. We're not, I mean, I don't know what our precautions are about it necessarily, but.


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[Assistant] The fact that you can't mess with the file afterwards is just sorta, so it freaks me out.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I always knew I was gonna do it, but then at the same time, once the, uh, once it became like, oh, cause you know, at a certain point I was having meetings with all these people, like different people trying to lead me in the business and in different directions, and I'm sitting there thinking like,


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[Assistant] Like, yo, I just made 40 grand off of fucking making vlogs last month. So when people are trying to have these memes with me, I'm like, I really don't care. And...


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[Assistant] You know, then, then that sort of like evaporated with the demonetization stuff and then it just sort of became like, okay, I need to actually like give every idea that people have thrown at me a fair chance.


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[Assistant] So a few of those things I jumped on in terms of like working with brands behind the scenes and everything, but then, you know, I also...


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[Assistant] You know, but there are weird things that like for a while like somebody was trying to get me to sign a contract to, uh,


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[Assistant] So like that, that gives me a whole new level of confidence to be honest. Like just having like a team behind me now who are really like, like they, they basically are like constantly in a state of interviewing me about where I want the business to go now. We've only been working together for maybe like a few weeks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sure, let's score more entertainment. It's, uh, it's this dude, Sasha Stone, who basically he manages, well, he built like a huge touring promotion out of Texas, you know, where he did the Ilmore events during South by Southwest and everything, and then he also manages, uh, Trill Sammy and Torrey Lanes.


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[Assistant] And it's like a 17 person, uh, company out of Austin. So it's like, I have people locally that I deal with that are helping me with, uh, how we're building no jump route and everything. But I just having like that confidence of having them to be able to review deals that get thrown at me and stuff. It's just, it's very nice. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Nobody has it besides gamers, and then like for some reason I guess he gets categorized as a gamer. But!


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[Assistant] He really just livestreams. That's like the basis of what he does, so I get how they made an exception for him, and I get why they wouldn't for me, but that would be huge.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause it's like, for those who don't know, the subscribe button is something that's in beta that like Ice Poseidon has on like gamers and it's basically for like people out there, you'd be able to click a button and...


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[Assistant] Choose to give me five dollars a month. Just if you were a huge fan of the site or whatever, I think it's a great idea.


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[Assistant] Right, there are a bunch of little benefits and, I don't know, I mean YouTube's trying to figure it out. I probably will, like a year from now, be able to just be suggesting that people do it, but I understand that YouTube's taking the time rolling it out. But I mean, think about that, like, we got a million subs, if you even got a thousand or two thousand people, then boom, ten grand a month off two thousand people giving you five bucks a month, that's nice.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, like my feeling about it was like, okay, we made all these videos on your Snapchat that ended up on Pornhub and other sites, so.


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[Assistant] If I sit here and explain it, then I'm probably going to end up doing it. Alright, they want her, Pornhub, they want to give us a bunch of money, like, you know.


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[Assistant] Nobody wants to watch me. They might want to be able to watch from my perspective. Yeah, but, uh, so.


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[Assistant] Once she had made that, that first piece of real condom, and I guess then her like snaps would be able to be on Bornhub and then still be monetized for her. So she asked me to do that recently.


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[Assistant] She kinda like exposed me in the argument because she was like


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[Assistant] Like, she's like, oh, would you do like a Snapchat this weekend with me and this girl? And I'm like, yeah. And then she's like, oh, do you want to do this Pornhub thing with just me and you? And I'm like, ah babe, I feel like I'm like getting too big. I don't know if I necessarily want to do that, blah, blah, blah. She's like, okay, but you'll do it for my Snapchat with another girl.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, that is kinda logically inconsistent. But also I feel like now it's sorta getting weird in the sense that there's a lot of like possibilities that I could be working with.


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[Assistant] Bigger media companies and stuff and I sort of feel like, oh well.


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[Assistant] At a certain point, you know, the whole thing of me having videos online and me getting my dick sucked is gonna matter.


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[Assistant] Right, but that's a weird thing for me is that sometimes I think that I should never go get the kind of gig that I could easily lose if that company


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[Assistant] Well, they got Vince Staples, but yeah, I guess he has a pretty comparatively clean image compared to the average rapper, yea, that's true.


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[Assistant] That's a big part of like, whoa, the plan is with NoJumper is that like, this will forever be what I do with NoJumper probably, is that I do these podcasts and then...


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[Assistant] Like we do the exposed, so that's just the artist, there's no, there's no host on stage with them. And then at a certain point we're gonna like branch out into different.


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[Assistant] But that's the hard thing to navigate, is that how are you, how do you, like, cause Complex does represent something, it represents like youth culture and...


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[Assistant] Whatever, like I'm not sure exactly what their mission statement is, but either way, I think that the thing, the thing that matters about No Jumper is that the idea of it, which is like a positive, culture-focused, hip-hop,


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[Assistant] Lifestyle publication media company, like that idea.


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[Assistant] I believe that, you know, I'm probably always going to have a career as like some sort of entertainer. But I feel like no jumper. It can be more than that. And I feel like that's like sort of the conversation that I've gotten used to having with a lot of these agencies and, and you know, the people who manage my shit now and stuff.


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[Assistant] That's a little challenge with me is that like as no jumper grows, as it turns into something that is too big to just be on the back of a bike shop, you know, what will that look like and how long do I need to stay completely close to it before I'm able to sort of let it breathe and take a step away from it.


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[Assistant] But that's like the vlog world, and that to me is not a part of like No Jumper in the same way anymore, because like, you know, if you want that side of things, you know, you can pay attention to the social media, you can pay attention to like whatever's going on in the vlog channel and everything like that, but that's not like...


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[Assistant] Like, like, I feel like yeaah, you could show stuff about the staff and everything, but it's just, I don't...


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[Assistant] I feel like No Jumper like is about the content and the content is, is


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[Assistant] Quite often not gonna be just based around like, oh, who are the people that are like hanging out there? It's really all about curation and like, if anything.


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[Assistant] A lot of times the people who are here all the time aren't people that are ever going to appear on the No Jumper channel because they're not people who are getting interviews or, you know. It's like, for me that's like, to get a No Jumper interview still like, it needs to be a challenge. It needs to be this like coveted thing.


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[Assistant] And, I don't know, that, that really is what it's about is just like giving voice to the youth and stuff and not so much just showing a bunch of, like the vlogs are cool, but that's, you know, that's my personal social media. That's very separate from No Jumper now in my mind.


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[Assistant] I think it's cool that Jake Paul made that like the basis of his whole brand is that, oh, this is like a daily TV show, but you know, I'm not really that committed to vlogging in that way and like, I mean, that's just not,


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[Assistant] It's just not cool either, cause it's like, there's a lot of situations that I don't want to vlog in, you know? Constantly. And I just don't.


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[Assistant] Eh, I just don't really. I mean, it's cool, it's still something I like. I vlog on my personal channel for one reason only, it's just that I like it. And so, I don't really, I don't feel any pressure to do it. I only do it because I want to. I would like to not ever vlog again. It's just that I like, feel like I want to.


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[Assistant] It's not that I just like doing it because sometimes I have days where I just like, I feel like my day is so cool that I want to document what I was doing that day. And like, it doesn't have anything to do with money on the no jumper channel. That's why it pisses me off when they demonetize my shit and they don't get any views. It's cause the only reason I wanted people, the only reason I made it was for people to see it cause I thought it was cool.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, for me, it's like, at this point, like no jumper.


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[Assistant] It's, it's kinda weird knowing like where it's going and knowing what it's turning into and like a lot of that stuff is happening like, like a lot of our most popular content ever like we, like this month being the first full month in which we didn't have any vlog style content was by far the biggest month ever for NoJump.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's like 18 million views this month and the most we ever did before that was like 10 million.


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[Assistant] Exposed shit is going crazy and it's like as we just like introduce more characters and stuff. I mean that kind of, it becomes, it sort of becomes weird. Like I paid a guy at a certain point to make like a trailer, like a really like fancy cool trailer and he hung out a bunch of times while we were doing the podcast and stuff and made this dope ass trailer basically explaining like no jumpers this podcast.


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[Assistant] And then like by the time we got done with it, I was like, fuck, like it's not a podcast to me anymore. Like that's one part of what it is. But if I were to put this out, that's just going to further cemented people's heads. Like, Oh, this is.


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[Assistant] I want it to just be like, like when I look at the media landscape in hip hop, that's my whole thing, is that I just don't see what the good stuff is. Like, I mention Complex a lot because I feel like they're one company that's doing stuff that I think is pretty good. I mention World Star a lot because I like them.


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[Assistant] But, I mean, there's not many people in hip-hop who are doing like, good media company shit, and that to me is like...


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[Assistant] That's what I've been obsessed with since I was a kid. Just media companies and wanting to build the best ones I did in BMX for 10 years.


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[Assistant] I never really got, you know, like, like did it, but like ultimately didn't really feel like the community was that thankful for what I did in terms of like creating, you know, the first BMX blog and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] And we still haven't done the Facebook shit, like the Facebook shit is so big, like taking your content and chopping it up and like putting it on Facebook is so crazy in terms of like ability to change the audience. And I mean, if you look at the artists that we've interviewed too, it's like we haven't really done any like big rappers. We did rappers who became pretty big afterwards, but


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[Assistant] Yeah, but now I don't even really think of like, like, well, number one, I was really trying to get a 21 Savage interview when he had like no clout when he was doing a show in LA to like 50 people.


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[Assistant] At that time, I think you just didn't know what it was. Nowadays, like, now given how big it is, like, I know rappers who are like, you know,


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[Assistant] Something akin to what 21 Savage was at the time, and they very much want interviews. You know, that's not something I really worry about. And even then, like, my management, like,


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[Assistant] I will tell them, like, they made me make a list of the top 10 rappers that I want to interview. And they were like, okay, well, like, helping me put together like,


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[Assistant] Plans of how we're gonna get each one of them and we're gonna do this sort of thing because this person is incentivized in this way and type shit.


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[Assistant] And like, you know, like my management's evolved, like we're working with festivals and everything now. So it's like, you know, some of these festivals, these artists want to be on these festivals. So they're kind of using that even as like leverage, like, okay, well maybe we can help you get in this festival, but we're going to need you to do this.


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[Assistant] It was weird for them to even be like, what's your top 10 or like, who do you really want? Cause I'm like, sitting there writing down, like, you know, Juicy J, Gucci Mane, Chief Keef, Lil Wayne, like, you know, like, but, but now that doesn't seem...


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[Assistant] None of that seems that intimidating to me anymore because, you know, I've just done so many big interviews that at a certain point it sort of becomes like, what are you scared of, you know?


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[Assistant] But they're all important because they're very, very influential on my world. I know, I know, I know. That's a person.


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[Assistant] See, that's a weird thing too, because I feel like if I were to meet Drake in a casual scenario, that he would get it. They're like, oh, this is the interview I should do. You know, and it's like, just sorta, I do get it though at the same time that like my shit is still so new and, and, you know, I get it that Drake doesn't seem like an emergency to him.


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[Assistant] Exactly. And I was in the, I mean, weird shit, like I was in the studio all fucking Friday night with fucking all the OVO producers and shit and like, I mean.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I just feel like I'm getting so much closer to that world. Right. And over time it's like...


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[Assistant] I'm getting big enough that it's like there are less and less people that I can really truly like bring up because


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[Assistant] Also, it's like, I was in the studio with fuckin' Murda Beatz on Friday, and it's like, to me, Murda Beatz is like, that's the fuckin', that's the interview I wanna do on No Jumper. Cause he's so fire, and he's so new, and he's so cool. And yes, Drake is cool as fuck, but Drake is cool enough that he knows that Murda Beatz is who should be fuckin' making the shit for his album. So to me, it's like,


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[Assistant] I would do the Drake one, but I would go more out of my way to get a Murderbeats interview because to me it's more on the cusp.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like I do want to make them happy and everything, but at the same time, like, I don't know, like, like I really, really want to get the Ski Mask interview done right now because that's just like my fans have wanted that forever. I fuck with him really tough. I believe he's probably one of the greatest rap prospects of the no jumper era. So, you know, that's the whole.


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[Assistant] He's just, when he's around, he's all over the place, I'm all over the place. It's hard for me to like, force myself to hound him too.


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[Assistant] Tough boys, academics, fuckin', even though they're like a weird, well, academics are sort of like a weird offspring from that, but like even like Anthony Fantano, it's like, there's a whole crop of like, music related, hip hop related,


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[Assistant] Yeah, when I think, ugh, god. Some of the stuff that gets captured in vlogs is like insane, like the-


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[Assistant] The little peep shit is like, like, I predicted his death right out in there, like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I said like, cause he had the little, the little peep, the little pink, uh, bunny thing, and he like put it up on the shelf, and I said like, oh, it's like a memorial for, for Pete, but he's not dead yet, but he's working on it, and he just looks me right in the fucking eyes and just goes like, I'm already dead.


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[Assistant] And it's in the vlog and it's gotten so many views since he passed because people are like freaked out by it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, the thing with peep is that like, okay, you go and listen to his music after he dies and his music is all about dying and doing drugs and partying. It's like, you know,


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[Assistant] He didn't want to die, but he very much like knew that he was living in a way in which it wasn't going to be that out of the ordinary for those circumstances to come about, you know?


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[Assistant] That was when it first started getting weird, because before he was with Schema Policy, his image was like more dark, like there's a...


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[Assistant] There's a video, Come Around, which is the one where he's like doing like a ton of coke in this hotel room and stuff. And that was like before Beamer Boy, before, uh, you know, California Girls and like before all these like poppy, like, you know, fun songs. He had this like incredibly dark stuff and that's how I got introduced to him.


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[Assistant] Which was like, and then when I saw him going in a direction where he was like, you know, sampling Death Cab and everything all of a sudden, I was like, that's it. Like, cause I didn't really think the super dark stuff was gonna like, make him super popular even though I like, saw the artistic merit in it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause I mean, it just feels fucked up cause it's like, I tell the story all the time about, you know, just dudes who I met when they were nobody and then they're huge.


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[Assistant] You know, I still, I love saying that about like a lot of different dudes who are popular right now, but then the peep thing, it was like, oh, okay, this is, that's the other version of this story, or this is the long-term version of that story is they explode and then they...


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[Assistant] Burn out, right away, and I mean it was just, ugh. You know, it was tough to take.


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[Assistant] I wish that I wasn't so fucking stoned when I did the New York Times interview about it.


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[Assistant] But the same exact people that they interviewed in, there was like a SoundCloud rap type article that was, uh, early on. And then I think it was supposed to be like themed around peep, or around, excuse me, pump and perp. But then I think the New York Times realized how fucked up they are, or were.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, what's up, Kev? I think the, the Times realized how fucked up Pump and Purr are. Not fucked up, you know, they, they are out of their minds. And like the violence on that tour and everything, and I feel like they kind of fell back and they made the article more about Peep. And then when Peep died, it was like more...


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[Assistant] They like came right back to the same people they interviewed for the same thing with me and Roger for the podcast.


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[Assistant] I mean, I've dropped him off to just get his like, flee shots and everything and then all of a sudden the lady's like, oh, he also has this like, crazy tooth issue and it's like...


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[Assistant] It's gonna keep getting worse and worse, or you could pay this amount of money, and I'm like, alright, well, fuck it, why not.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, when Tony dies I do think I would probably want to get him stuffed and mounted somewhere. I just want to do something to like, cement his legacy.


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[Assistant] That's my issue with the cat and like even drawings of him. I've had people draw him many times and I feel like they don't really capture his...


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[Assistant] I don't know. That, when I think about it, that's one of the craziest things when I was watching that interview, uh, from...


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[Assistant] Like over a year ago is that I really didn't have like the same financial security that I have now, which made me, I think, a lot less sure of myself in a way at that time. You know, cause I just didn't really know like financially like what the fucking future of a jumper was. And now it's just like, now I turn down crazy amounts of money.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a BMX shop. It's in a really busy area. It's not ever going to be something that makes like a crazy amount of money. So it's kind of like no jumper just sort of like emerged as this thing that was like all of a sudden just like way bigger out of the back of the shop than what we were doing out of the front of it. So all of a sudden now I'm like,


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[Assistant] Like, I mean, that's why we moved, that's the big part of it, is that we were downtown for that interview and now we're here. I mean, part of the reason why we're here is because Nojumper was able to pay for the move and new spot and everything.


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[Assistant] How do you have your phone on the table? I would never. Look at me.


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[Assistant] Well, I noticed you having that conversation with Nate and you're like asking him about his car and stuff. I'm like, Jesus Christ, how could you ever remember what somebody, like somebody got a car like a few months ago or whatever?


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[Assistant] That's really nice of you, yea. You know what stood out to me the other day? I got an MRI from my back and like, you know, I'm in the waiting room and there's like this Russian guy, he starts trying to talk to me. He gave it like two solid efforts to try to make conversation with me and I just, both times was like, huh, yea.


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[Assistant] And I was just thinking after, like, that's, like, my job is to have conversations with people. And in that moment, there was nothing I would have rather not done than talk to some random guy.


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[Assistant] I was giving myself 200, assuming that maybe I could do 200 because I meet a lot of people, but yea, like, that's a crazy small number, like, I'm, I, I mean, I get-


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[Assistant] I mean, I get many, like, and that's another thing too. I used to be able to look at my DMs. I don't barely even look at my DMs anymore because I just don't even, like, there's too many now on Instagram.


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[Assistant] But I'm talking about you even like, you know, you talk to a girl and it's like, my DMs are just fucked now. That's like, it's really like, I had 40k a year ago and now I got half a million.


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[Assistant] That seems like a huge, like I'm never, I'm never gonna be, a year from now, I'm not gonna be ten times more popular than I am right now. That's one thing I think is kinda crazy about all this is that, however like, like huge this like growth of the whole thing has been, that it's not gonna, it's not sustainable.


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[Assistant] I dunno, that's like the weird thing, realizing like lately, like doing, you know.


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[Assistant] You just always want to find something to challenge yourself and then the sort of you, you wonder like what's that's, that's going to be at a certain point because sometimes even though I know I haven't done even close to all that I could do in the rap world, I already start to feel like, you know, maybe, you know, is this still interesting to me?


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[Assistant] It still is interesting, but I just don't think that I can keep doing it past the point where it ceases to be interesting to me, which is sorta hard to...


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[Assistant] But I don't know what I could really care about more than I care about like rap pretty much, cause I don't really feel like there's...


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[Assistant] I'm not sure what else I would really be that interested in.


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[Assistant] But at the end of the day, you know, I think that like my addiction that caused no jumper to come about in the first place was my addiction to like making moments and like having


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[Assistant] Boom. You just, you got that moment. Like you were a part of that little moment in history or like even the boom gang interview that I just did where he fucking is talking about he's sober and stuff, which nobody in a million years would have expected. I just like, as soon as it got done, I was like, oh my God, I just like bottled this.


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[Assistant] Amazing moment in time that people are going to probably be talking about or remember for a really long time.


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[Assistant] And at the end of the day, like that's kind of the weird thing is like, what could I go and do outside of rap that I'd be genuinely interested in that would have as big of a societal impact? I don't think that I really could.


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[Assistant] What dictates like what I want to do is like societal impact. That's why I can't just go focus on one artist. Like I've had...


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[Assistant] Very, very big artists try to be like, oh, like, management, you know, it's like, I can't put all my eggs in one basket with one person, you know, that's why the media company thing.


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[Assistant] Appeals to me is cause I'm able to sort of like constantly like pivot into like doing content with different artists and different genres and like that's kind of the thing like that could make No Jumper like bigger than any other like outlet by the way that catch banged it well like it felt really good. Uh, it's just because


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[Assistant] You know, we do like dabble in other genres and like find ways to make other genres seem cool and palatable to our audience, like doing the EDM stuff before and stuff, so I'm kinda like optimistic about all that too, but...


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's why, I mean, I was just reading about somebody in the media, in the rap media, who left and went to work at a label.


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[Assistant] And I was just thinking, I'm like, I'm not sure what the, the, the way to like,


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[Assistant] Justify that, my head would be if I, if I was to make that transition because to me it's like, I judge myself based on how much I'm affecting a culture.


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[Assistant] And to me, it's like the, you could never affect it so much with one artist as you could from doing the media company side of things. But I guess if you really believe in an artist that much than you might want to, or I guess with the label thing, you have like a bunch of artists that you're working with, but.


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[Assistant] I like working with labels. Some of the people I know from labels are like my favorite people to talk about music with because, you know, they just do it for a living. They know a lot about music and stuff. It's hard for me to talk. Like that's kind of been the weird thing is it's like, it's hard for me to have a normal conversation about rap now with a regular person because like, like I had some guy who, uh, worked for Gary Vee say like,


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[Assistant] He's like, who's like the next up and coming rapper? I'm like thinking in my head, I'm like, well, I mean.


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[Assistant] I could think of a lot of rappers that you haven't heard of that to me are already played out. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, I can think of rappers that I found out about two weeks ago that like, but if somebody were to walk into this room and be like, yo, have you guys heard of YBN Namir? We'd be like, oh my god, get the fuck out of here. But to this guy, if I told him about YBN Namir, he'd be like, oh, that's cool, I'm gonna check it out, you know?


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[Assistant] 5,000th most subscribed YouTube channel. Yea, exactly. So no-nobody. No, it's fuckin', it's nothing.


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[Assistant] That's the crazy thing about him though is that he represents why I'm so addicted to doing rap content is because every couple of months there's a new YB and Namir or a new Lil Xan or a new somebody exciting to do content with, you know, and that, that is what kind of keeps them interested.


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[Assistant] Right, we don't know if Lil Xam's gonna matter in a year, like maybe people just decided they don't like him anymore, but you know, like, that interview at that point in time, people went crazy for, for a reason, and that's just like, that's what I'm fucking hooked on, you know?


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[Assistant] Oh yea, they gotta protect them. I mean, how do they not protect them? How does he not have the little Xan name? It's insane that he still has that fucking clunky-ass username.


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[Assistant] You know, that's the weird thing about it to me too though, is that on one hand, I'm the cun- and this is just like why I'm an asshole, is that on one hand, Lena will like, not know who YBN Amir is, for example. I mean, she does know who he is, but like, you know, she would bring him up, and like, if she, if she would ask me right now, like, who's YBN Amir, I'd be like, oh god, like,


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[Assistant] You know, I would tell her, but I would also be a little annoyed that I had to explain who he was because to me, I've known about him for a couple of months. It seems obvious, but at the same time is that like she knows all these.


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[Assistant] These actors and all these different musicians from different walks of life and she will mention, you know, some actor who has millions of followers and he's actually like very, very famous. I have no fucking clue. And my attitude is like, like, why would you even ask me about something so asinine? Like how, like, like, cause I really genuinely don't care.


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[Assistant] So it's weird that, like, to me, like, an actor, like, somebody bringing up movies is, like, insane. Like, like, why are you bringing that up? Like, nobody knows about that shit, but then if somebody doesn't know about why I'm in the mirror, that stands out to me as very, very strange. Which, I realize it's totally ludicrous, but, I mean, that's just kind of...


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[Assistant] That happens to me all the time where I'll be in a room full of dudes and I'll be talking about some Instagram model and I'll be like, well I, like I don't fucking know. Cause I really don't...


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[Assistant] Look at famous bitches on Instagram, like I refuse to do so because it'll make me feel bad about myself.


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[Assistant] Two kinds of guys on earth, guys who follow famous bitches and guys who don't, so just


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[Assistant] Be the kind who doesn't, because you don't want to be the one feeding into that problem societally.


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[Assistant] There is harm. You're allowing yourself to look at women that you're never going to be able to sleep with every single day. For what reason?


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[Assistant] I feel the complete opposite. I'm liking up a star, I'm commenting, I'm engaging with Instagram, I'm doing whatever it takes to get to a million.


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[Assistant] So you're talking about like, oh I'm motivated to do more business. Where else does more business take place than Instagram?


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[Assistant] I think you're burnt out. I think you sound like a guy's had a girlfriend for a year.


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[Assistant] No, I maintain that that is terrible. But, I mean...


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[Assistant] Yeah, in some way, don't you think that like, once you sort of find your place, like, okay, this is my job, I'm gonna stick with this job, this is who my person that I'm gonna have sex with for the rest of my life, doesn't that close you off in some way? I mean, you're talking about sitting around and watching Netflix, like it's all good. Like to me, that's a sign of depression.


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[Assistant] Cause it's like you're choosing to spend a huge portion of your life on something that has no value. Right?


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[Assistant] But don't you think 7pm or 8pm on a Tuesday is valuable too?


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[Assistant] I mean, to me, I just don't understand what, like dude, I watched one season of Game of Thrones with Lena.


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[Assistant] I tried to chill, I tried to watch that one season of Game of Thrones, it was like torture.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just, I mean, I wish that I could like that. I wish I knew what that was like.


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[Assistant] I just don't really, yeah. And the TV thing, like, I mean, there used to be TV shows I liked, I don't know what happened to that, really.


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[Assistant] I feel like I need to get like my, uh, home entertainment center type set up better because I just moved into this new apartment.


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[Assistant] You know, we're gonna, we're getting couches this week and we're gonna, because that's, that's like my goal is to sort of like establish like a better entertainment center in my living room. So that like when it comes down to like watching a TV show or something, maybe that would make me more into it. Maybe I'd be able to, cause I feel like that's something that's kind of keeping me from being able to connect to people is like not being able to watch movies or TV really.


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[Assistant] And now I've gotten to the point where even like, cause somebody who knows about who YBN Damir is in 2017, late 2017, is somebody who knows quite a bit about rap music. And I just described how I don't feel like I could even have a conversation with that person because I'm in so deep.


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[Assistant] It's like, who are my peers that also know about- and I know who they are, they're like, you know, 17 year old kids in Harlem and shit, but-


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[Assistant] I don't draw a line between work and play. I've never been able to do that. It's never, you know, like-


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[Assistant] Eh, sometimes, but I'm also not really like, like clean this shit, like I don't really.


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[Assistant] I would never think that it was the weekend. It would never even occur to me. But also I don't think Kim would ever think of that either, so it's not even like...


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[Assistant] I mean, I've never worked for anybody besides myself pretty much, so I can't really imagine what that would be like to be like, it's Saturday, like fucking, yea, it's Saturday. It's just another day.


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[Assistant] I would probably just hit the group chat. I mean, like, what am I gonna ask them to do? And like, you know, if I hit the group chat, I'd be like, who's in the store right now? Can you clean the fucking cat thing? Or something, you know, I would.


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[Assistant] I don't really, I don't think about life that way as in like, oh, you know, I did my good Monday through Friday and now I got Saturday and I can just relax. Like if, if I were to take Saturday and relax,


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[Assistant] It's like I want to like proactively go out of my way to relax on that day. So I still feel like I'm like getting something done. Like, uh, like I had that experience like recently where I worked so fucking hard Monday through Friday.


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[Assistant] And then all of a sudden Saturday rolled around, and it's like all of a sudden I just found myself like rolling out of bed at noon, and I'm like smoking a blunt, watching some YouTube videos, all of a sudden it's like 2pm and I just was like,


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[Assistant] I'm turning down meetings and stuff because I fucking had so much stuff to do. I'm like, you know, and I can't meet up with you, like pissing people off and stuff. Then Saturday rolls around, I got nothing to do and I just felt lost. I felt like weird.


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[Assistant] I wish that I had taken that Saturday and been like, alright, if you're not gonna do anything all day Saturday, you should like at least go out of your way to like actually do some, like if you're gonna relax Saturday, you should do some things that are actually relaxing. You should go to the beach or like, you know, actually exercise or actually, you know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, like I go on vacation Saturday for like six days, and then, uh, with, with Lena and my parents, and then...


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[Assistant] Florida is like, I always go to the same place cause I have relatives out there. But I was just in Miami for two days, like a day and a half.


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[Assistant] But what, what like you and your bros hanging out like in the Bahamas, like what do you think that you would do? Because...


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[Assistant] One night sounds good. Yeah, I could do that one, one, two nights. You give me a week and a half of that, I'm gonna be like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, you know, how many margaritas am I supposed to drink? Uh, that, that, that's kind of, uh,


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[Assistant] Something that stood out to me about what the fuck was I gonna say, I forget. But uh,


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[Assistant] At a certain point I sort of started a vision, envision my own life, like, I'm talking maybe like five years ago. I was like, you know, you have all these, this is me talking to myself, I was thinking, you have all these things you want to accomplish in your life.


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[Assistant] A lot of times you wake up and you sort of are in a routine, you know, like you go to the gym, you fucking, you gotta get groceries. And a lot of those things that I had sort of built up into my routine were basically just things that were like preventing me from accomplishing my long-term goals. Like, you know, a lot of times you build up all these little things that you're doing that


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[Assistant] Keep you busy that distract you from the fact that you have this one giant goal that is so much bigger than everything else and if you were to just focus on that and like chipping away at that and like for me that was


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[Assistant] I couldn't believe it. I'm like, bro, I'm making fucking 40 grand a month off this shit for nothing. Like what is this? Like how is this possible? And then, you know, it sort of went away and I had to like work pretty fucking hard to get it back up to


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[Assistant] You know, so or whatever, but I don't know. I mean, you know, I thought about that the other day too, cause like somebody from my management came here and it was like, he was just like, y'all want to stop at the shop? Like when you guys are about to close, I'll hang out with you for a couple hours. I'm like, all right, cool. He comes back here. It's like me and like five or six different people, a couple of my rappers, a couple of my just friends.


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[Assistant] In, in like a two or three hours back here, we probably watched every, like we, we watched like a hundred rap videos. We probably smoked a hundred blunts. No, we probably smoked fifteen blunts.


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[Assistant] And like the dude from my management, I just remember like kind of seeing in his eyes after a while that he was just like so astonished like this is your ideal like Tuesday night off is just sitting around with the boys getting high as shit and just like watching rap videos and sharing stories and anecdotes about those rap videos to the extent that it was like bizarre.


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[Assistant] And that made me feel really good about myself, that like, okay, this is my weird way of life that you don't relate to or understand in any way.


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[Assistant] Maybe when we piss those girls off, we always tell the story.


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[Assistant] And these girls are just looking back at each other like, this is so weird. That to me stood out very much as a mummer. I was like, what am I doing? Why am I pretending to be on a date?


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[Assistant] Fuck a 19 year old. I ain't trying to go on a fucking date with no 19 year old in my adult life. Like, I honestly don't know what the fuck would happen after Atlanta at this point because it's like, I feel like I've gotten kinda...


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[Assistant] Like I'm just not used to- I've like fucked a lot of girls with her and stuff like while we were together and like doesn't- I didn't really have to talk to them that much. I don't know how I'm gonna backtrack on that.


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[Assistant] We are one minute and twenty seconds, er, one hour and twenty minutes in.


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[Assistant] Oh, followers? Yeah, subscribers, you know. Anybody who hangs on that weird club gang slash team 10 world is like racked up on the gram.


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[Assistant] I feel like you this year is too, uh, fucking Jake Paul as like I was too foosy to maybe like a year and a half ago, which is sort of like this moment where you're like, whoa, so they're like the worst person ever and they're huge on YouTube. I'm gonna have a Lamborghini.


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[Assistant] You wanna know something I'm gonna let go that the world doesn't know? Okay. Pussy2 DM me and ask me for an interview.


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[Assistant] I didn't respond because I didn't know what the fuck to say. I was on tour when, like this was like two months ago maybe, I thought about it a lot, like trying to think like what would I say to Fousey? But I'm so like disconnected from why I hated him when I made that one video, that I was like, I can't think of anything I would say to him besides like, you're a dumbass.


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[Assistant] And you're just corny and you're just a fucking, you know, it's just...


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[Assistant] They demonetized the fuck out of his shit. They did. Oh, he ain't making much, if, not, nothing even close to what he was making, which really makes no sense, because we really look at, like, his YouTube channel, and it's like, what was so bad about it?


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[Assistant] And because, you know, and he was all you heard about last year. And now all you hear about is Jake Paul.


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[Assistant] And there's a degree to which they're like being the villain. And that's like one of the easiest ways to blow up is just to sort of be so shitty that everybody has to talk about you all the time, but then like what's the long-term worth of that?


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[Assistant] He was the one who was like basically like making people who weren't terribly Islamophobic seem like they were Islamophobic.


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[Assistant] She's like the least likely YouTuber that you could ever imagine.


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[Assistant] I did a bad job of keeping up on the controversy that he's embroiled in.


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[Assistant] Cat wants food because he got the surgery, couldn't give him much food today.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I mean like anyone who has a million has definitely like made a name for themselves in a way. Like, I mean, I'm sure you're probably, you know who Roy Purdy is? The dancing kid?


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[Assistant] I mean, that's tough to make sense of too, because it's like, he has done viral stuff, but like, those viral things don't necessarily seem like you should have a million followers for just those things, but at the end of the day, people like him, people just latch onto it, like, you know, the bunk thing, the fat boy interviews that I just did, it's like,


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[Assistant] I mean, being funny on Instagram is like exactly the same as like being an actor on a TV show, right? Like it's just more real. It's more indicative of your actual personality.


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[Assistant] The fact that Gucci did that for Jag Paul and did it the way he did was a diss. You know, Gucci dissed him on his own song.


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[Assistant] No, it's still a loss. I mean, Jake Paul is operating in a world in which negative publicity and all this bad stuff is actually somehow good.


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[Assistant] I don't agree with it, I'm not gonna just like, cave and be like, oh, Jake Paul got a Gucci Mane verse, like, you know, a lot of people have Gucci Mane verses, a lot of horrible rappers have Gucci verses, so it's not really like,


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[Assistant] If anything, the interesting thing about Jake Paul is that people are acting like it's so interesting that he has a Gucci verse. Because, I mean, VNasty did a whole fucking mixtape with Gucci.


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[Assistant] Everything he does is so big that it's like, you know, of course, of course it was worth a quarter million dollars. He even said, he said in a video that if he makes a hundred thousand dollars, like a hundred thousand dollars in a day is a bad day for him.


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[Assistant] It's funny that you have a fascination with him right now, because I definitely don't. But I was interested for a little bit. To me, like, I went through that period where I was really interested in Fousey, and like, I was never that interested in Jake Paul, but Keemstar, he wraps it up every day, so I don't have to, I watch drama all day and that's it. I would never watch, I watch Phil DeFranco sometimes too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I went through that too. Like, now I feel like a little bit more established in the channels that I follow, but you know how you go, you have YouTube, everyone's had YouTube since way forever ago, ten years ago, but then,


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[Assistant] Once you start subscribing to channels and you start to get into that mode of like, oh, maybe I'm gonna watch a couple videos per day from channels. It's weird to sort of start to establish like who your, who your guys are. Even though, I mean, I like watching vlogs, there's just not a lot of people whose vlogs I like watching.


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[Assistant] I don't watch Casey Neistat anymore. I get why people watch my vlogs. I would watch my vlogs if I wasn't me. That's one thing I feel somewhat confident in. Because I actually keep it real.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, my vlogs now though, is I don't really make a vlog unless it's good. Pretty much. There's been a few exceptions, but like,


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[Assistant] It's really weird to think that if I had stayed daily that my vlogs would probably be like way bigger than they are because that daily thing is so huge for people.


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[Assistant] And you think about the big difference between Jake Paul and somebody like Casey Neistat is that Casey Neistat was a daily vlogger and still is. Who lives this crazy lifestyle because he has to do his own edit. And then you have somebody like Jake Paul who doesn't do his own edit. So it's like he just gets to have this camera and do all this crazy shit and he's not thinking about like the way he's gonna edit it so it's so much like less


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[Assistant] Artfully done in comparison to the way that Casey Neistat was doing it.


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[Assistant] Eliza and all them, cause that's like good vlogging in 2017 in my opinion.


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[Assistant] It's short, it's well put together, he'll film for a fucking half hour and then use like a five second joke.


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[Assistant] Alright, I guess we can wrap this up, uh, anything we should end on? Shit.


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[Assistant] Youtube.com slash Adam 22 forever. I just wanna say that, uh, it always seems like it's gonna matter when you hit like a certain, you know, mark.


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[Assistant] I just want to say that I feel nothing. One million subscribers feels exactly the same as, you know, nine hundred thousand, so.


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[Assistant] I guess it feels good to have the item, but really I feel nothing. I just want to throw that out there.


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[Assistant] No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes. Nothing matters. Peace. Shout out Roseman. Later. Gang.


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[Assistant] And I have a question for you, Gav. Other than your own character, which character in the Marvel Universe is your favorite?


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[Assistant] So let's return to this study of pairs of coins once more.


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[Assistant] The first is that there's two real stages. We've got a first flip that has a 50% chance of being a heads and we have a second flip which also has a 50% chance of being heads because they're unrelated. Whether the second flip is a heads does not depend on whether the first flip is a heads.


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[Assistant] So we've got these two different 50% probabilities, so this one here I'm gonna say is gonna be a 0.5 or a 50% probability, and then this one here is gonna be a 0.5 or a 50% probability.


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[Assistant] By the way, I don't mind whether you write it as a decimal .5 or whether you multiply that by 100 and put a percent in there and call this 50%, whichever is more convenient for you. And then I want you to notice the following fact. If I multiply a half times a half,


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[Assistant] In other words, somehow multiplying the 50% times the 50%, or, uh, half times a half, that gives me the quarter or the 25%, which was the correct answer. So to compute the probability of it going heads-heads, I just multiply the probabilities.


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[Assistant] Well, 50% for the first, 50% for the second, also 50% for the third, so I can come along and put one more 50% down there. And half times a half times a half is one eighth.


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[Assistant] Or in other words, a half times a half times a half times a half, 2 to the power of 4 is 16, hence the 1 is 16th.


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[Assistant] So there seems to be some sort of rule here, which is that


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[Assistant] And that the probability of having four heads in a row is therefore the probability of an individual head multiplied four times.


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[Assistant] Now, this is gonna generally be true as long as I have so-called independent events. And what I mean by that is that the probability of the heads rolling on the second or the third or the fourth or so on stages, that doesn't depend on my results previously.


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[Assistant] So, what happens is that you have some particular four-digit pin code, maybe, how about this one? By the way, don't use your birth year as a pin code, that's a terrible pin code.


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[Assistant] But the point is that there's some digit between 0 and 9 in the first one, some digit between 0 and 9 in the second, some digit between 0 and 9, and some digit between 0 and 9 in each of those four things.


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[Assistant] So, what's the probability of me guessing just the first number of your pin code? I've got one attempt only, and we know it's some number between 0 and 9, so there's 10 numbers there, one number between 0 and 9, and so I have only a 10% chance of guessing that first digit.


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[Assistant] That I have one specific one, I'm just gonna write P of E here so I don't have to figure out some better name for it. The probability of guessing your pin code, well, it's going to be the


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[Assistant] For a bank card where one has to type it in, it's pretty unlikely that I would be able to get it. I had to go through quite a few tries to have a reasonable chance at guessing it.


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[Assistant] What's new with Betsy and Jay? Weekdays at 5 on 3. Recognize that feeling? It is the feeling of being together.


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[Assistant] To west, to south. Stories of perseverance, of family, of love. If a story brings us together, it's what matters most.


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[Assistant] Thank you everyone for being here today to listen to me talk and all the other speakers and also just for being here in solidarity for the vegan movement.


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[Assistant] It's so important that we stick together, that we help each other so that we can better help the animals. And today that's what I want to talk about. I want to talk about how to help animals.


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[Assistant] So for me, it all started about 10 years ago when I was diagnosed with cancer. They gave me about 6 weeks to live if I didn't start treatment straight away.


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[Assistant] And this was the first time that I'd ever experienced what it was like to suffer. I'd never known suffering before. I was living the cushy life, just like most of us do, always enough food in our stomach, always a nice place to sleep, always shelter, always water, cushy. And it was this experience of suffering.


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[Assistant] And not only that, but coming out of my suffering that started inspiring me to help others. I put on 25 kilos while I had cancer and got all kinds of different sicknesses and that during that.


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[Assistant] This is one of the greatest gifts we can give someone. And this is what he'd done for me. I was so inspired by this. That I wanted to help others as well.


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[Assistant] So I became a personal trainer too, very passionate about helping others out of their suffering, very passionate about helping people achieve more energy, better health and all the things that come with it.


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[Assistant] And I was on this journey 8 years as a personal trainer.


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[Assistant] That, I started working on a cruise ship and I met a man who was very wise, a very wise Indian fella, old man.


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[Assistant] And that's the first time I ever cared about it, when it was about me. I thought, what? This could be bad for me? Yea, I know it's bad for animals, but this could be bad for me? Ah, okay, I'm gonna start thinking about this. I always believed there was no such thing as a healthy vegetarian.


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[Assistant] One of my personal training mentors told me that. He said there's no such thing as a healthy vegetarian. I said good. I don't want to be one. I don't want to have to look into it. Fantastic.


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[Assistant] When this man told me that eating animals is bad karma, I said, yeah, there's no such thing as a healthy vegetarian though. And he said, well, I've been vegetarian for 20 years. And I said, shit.


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[Assistant] Well, in that case, hmm, maybe it is possible, maybe you're a freak, but I'll look into it. I'll look into it, I'll see what it's about. I look into it and I start learning how much healthier it is to cut animal products from your diet. Reducing your chances of heart disease, cancers, obesity, osteoporosis.


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[Assistant] We have right now an epidemic of illness and disease. We could have an epidemic of wellness and health. So much potential here.


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[Assistant] But it was a shock at the time because I never believed you could be healthy. So feeling good inspired me to look into it more. What's this? Why do I feel so great? There must be something to this. I look into it.


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[Assistant] I learned the health benefits, but I also see that so many people have another reason for becoming vegetarian.


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[Assistant] And that reason is because they don't want to contribute to harm to animals. Obviously as we know in the vegan crowd that that's not quite the answer.


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[Assistant] But a lot of people don't understand that yet. They think vegetarian is the good answer here. That's what we do. That's how we live in alignment when we stop hurting animals.


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[Assistant] Is because I never understood who they were. I didn't understand that they were capable of caring about their own life. I didn't think they could. So I thought, why would I care about their life? If they can't even care about their own life, it made no sense.


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[Assistant] I've seen footage of animals being slaughtered and my reaction was, I'm not gonna feel guilty about that. That's what we need to do to be healthy.


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[Assistant] Seeing everyone else's reasons for being vegetarian, I thought, okay, I'm going to check this out again. What's happening in the slaughterhouse? What's happening before these animals become this neatly wrapped package on the supermarket shelf? What happens? I see it again for the second time.


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[Assistant] This time I had a new perspective because I knew now that we can live and thrive without consuming animal products. So seeing this torture, this mutilation, this murder of these innocent beings, it led me to the question,


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[Assistant] If we aren't eating animals for health, we don't need to kill and eat them to survive and be healthy. What are we doing this to them for?


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[Assistant] And I looked and I looked and I looked and I learned the best answers we've got, the best justifications we've got are taste, habit, tradition and convenience. None of these reasons are a good enough justification to cause this unnecessary harm to animals.


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[Assistant] And I didn't care about animals, but I know injustice when I see it. I know unnecessary violence when I see it. I know oppression when I see it. And they are not the types of qualities I


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[Assistant] And I had, I became vegetarian for a whole new reason. It was for animals. Soon later,


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[Assistant] All use is exploitation. All exploitation is a form of abuse. And all abuse is immoral.


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[Assistant] It's about all the ways we use animals. This is when I learned about veganism.


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[Assistant] I heard a little bit about it before, my friend had gone vegan, who I didn't know very well, and someone came up to me one day and said, Grant has gone vegan. And I was like, what the hell is that?


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[Assistant] Always thought it was this extreme thing. Unnecessary. Why do we have to be vegan? Why?


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[Assistant] Because all the ways we use animals causes them harm. Because no living being deserves to be the slave or the property of someone else.


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[Assistant] I got to a point where that was the only thing that made sense.


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[Assistant] Since when was it extreme to not want to harm animals? When did that become extreme?


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[Assistant] What's extreme is saying we love animals and we're against animal cruelty while we pay people to mutilate and torture and slaughter animals. For foods and products we don't need. That's extreme.


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[Assistant] I thought it would be a great way to raise awareness for them because you don't need to care about animals to be intrigued by some crazy Aussie guy not talking for an entire year and travelling around the country. I thought that would be intriguing to a wide range of people. This could be a good campaign to raise awareness for them.


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[Assistant] I had the idea after hours and hours of meditation. And that was kind of the problem. Because after that many hours of meditation, all ideas seemed awesome.


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[Assistant] So, that was my, that was my goal. That's what I did last year. I travelled around the country to raise awareness for animals and promote peace over violence. To promote the abolition of animal exploitation. Because nothing less I believe is good enough. We need to abolish this. This needs to end for them. Completely.


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[Assistant] I don't want to talk too much about that journey today, because probably half the people here have already heard me talk about it. And, this is a vegan crowd.


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[Assistant] I'm assuming most people here are vegan. If not, cool. But you probably are. So what I want to talk to you about today is how do we help animals? Now first and foremost,


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[Assistant] The first thing I just want to talk about is to single you all out. No, just to tell you why veganism is important. Veganism is important


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[Assistant] We have core values already of veganism, before we were vegan.


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[Assistant] Almost everyone here was not born vegan. Almost everyone here believed at one point that veganism was extreme and that would never become a vegan.


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[Assistant] Then by that belief, by your own belief, you are obligated to become vegan. Because anything less than being vegan,


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[Assistant] Is going in conflict with your core value of nonviolence to animals. Anything less. Veganism is the first thing we should do to help animals. But it's not necessarily helping animals.


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[Assistant] Step one, if you care about animals, you stop hurting them. You don't buy free range. You don't go vegetarian. You don't-


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[Assistant] Uhm, you don't buy humanely slaughtered animals. Step one, if you don't want to hurt animals, is become vegan. I'm not expecting you to do it overnight.


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[Assistant] You might, and a lot of people do, you might feel like you can't. I understand where you're coming from there.


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[Assistant] But that is your goal and don't stop anywhere on that path of you getting there until you're there. It's incredibly easy. It's incredibly healthy. We are all, most people here are vegan. We're just normal people. We're not highly intellectual necessarily.


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[Assistant] All you have to agree with is that it is wrong to cause unnecessary harm to animals. And if you agree with that, you believe in veganism. That's it.


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[Assistant] And that's a conservative estimate. That's 1.5 trillion lives who feel pain and suffer just like us. Who deserve respect just like us.


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[Assistant] We need to put ourselves in the animal's position. One of the best quotes I've ever heard that has fueled my activism is speak up for animals the way you would want to be spoken for if it was you in their situation.


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[Assistant] We need to do more than become vegan. We need to spread the vegan message. We need to inspire other people to become vegan. That is step two. Help others do what you've done.


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[Assistant] Don't be afraid to do it. This is a gift, not only for the animals, this is the least they deserve. Veganism is the least they deserve.


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[Assistant] How good does it feel? It is good. It is something to share. Not just for the animals, but for our friends, for our families.


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[Assistant] We need veganism promoted because that is the only thing that will bring an end to animal exploitation.


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[Assistant] I'm sure most of us here do not want that. And neither would the animals. They don't want to be exploited at all, just like we wouldn't. The only people that will promote


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[Assistant] Each and every one of us. We are the only ones that will do it. Be empowered by that. You have a purpose. You can save lives. You have something so important. You've made a connection.


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[Assistant] This is what we need to do. This is how we help animals.


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[Assistant] Born into a world that has conditioned us to love some animals, love dolphins, love dogs, love whales, kill and eat pigs, cows, chickens, fish. We've been conditioned since school


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[Assistant] Our friends and family are no different. They cannot help that they've been born into this world. Don't make them your enemies. Help them. Help raise their awareness. How do we do that?


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[Assistant] You're gonna get asked a whole lot of questions that seem totally ridiculous. You know, what about plants? Don't plants have feelings too?


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[Assistant] I get asked that all the time and it's incredible how serious people are when they ask this. And maybe I would have been the same before I understood.


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[Assistant] When you learn the answers to these, this is just basic sales.


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[Assistant] This is what it is though. We're trying to sell something to people. We want people to get this. We want people to take it on in their life.


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[Assistant] There is a list of objections. I had plenty myself. Can I keep big muscles? Obviously, I haven't been doing much training, but you can. World Record holding strong man's a vegan, so he proves that. I don't need to. But there's a whole bunch of objections that we all have.


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[Assistant] You know, like, someone, you might speak to a vegan and then you can walk away and think, yeah but, you know, you can't be healthy as a vegan.


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[Assistant] When you run out of objections, when you have no objections left,


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[Assistant] That is when something starts to really make sense. That is when you actually really want it. When you got no objections to veganism.


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[Assistant] Veganism is all that makes sense. And that is when people will become vegan. When they don't have any objections left, or at least not enough, it doesn't outweigh anymore the facts. It doesn't outweigh the necessity, the moral obligation to become vegan.


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[Assistant] But it's true, you are right, you're on the side of justice, don't forget, and never forget that, but it helps very much when you're trying to inspire people to become vegan, to be able to answer all their, all their objections.


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[Assistant] No, you can say, look, what I would say is, good question. I answer questions like that the first time I've been asked. Good question. I had that question too.


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[Assistant] We're wasting so much food. Then you can talk about, and all this grain, all this food that we're giving these animals,


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[Assistant] We could use so much more effectively, so much more efficiently. We could stop wasting it, and we could start putting it to these places who really need it, or leaving it there.


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[Assistant] And plant foods. Fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds and legumes. It's in there. I know. I didn't believe it either. It is. And it's good quality protein.


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[Assistant] You can say, cause this is a good question, people generally believe free range is good enough. You can say,


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[Assistant] There is no use of animals that is okay. All animal use is exploitation and it is all wrong. No matter how good these animals might have it, even though free range usually means next to nothing for animals, no matter how good they might have it,


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[Assistant] You can explain that to them and then you can explain more about what happens to dairy, what happens to dairy, what happens on the egg farms, what happens in these humane places that is so far from humane that you, it's impossible not to see it when you hear it, when you understand it.


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[Assistant] It's a great question. It puts it back on them now. Oh, good question. Uhm, I don't know. And maybe just I don't have any recipes? Okay, here's some recipes. Oh, I don't think the food's good. Here's some delicious food.


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[Assistant] This is what we need to do. We need to help people become vegan. Our job as activists.


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[Assistant] When I was in Melbourne doing a talk, usually I talk about my own journey and try to inspire people to become vegan.


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[Assistant] That's all well and good, but what about the farmers? Good question. That is a good question. Where do you get protein? Not complicated. What about the farmers? That's a more complicated question.


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[Assistant] But there is an answer to every single one of these objections. I learned he's a dairy farmer. I say, my friend,


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[Assistant] Yes, we need to look after the farmers. Of course we do. It's not their fault that they've been born into this as well. We need to look after you guys too. But not at the expense of someone else, ever.


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[Assistant] And also, animal agriculture is completely unsustainable. You're going to have to change sooner or later anyway.


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[Assistant] Make it sooner, that way we'll do less damage and we'll have far less animals killed.


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[Assistant] And I was starting to get a little bit agitated because it was full on. I had a whole crowd of people. He's asking me some fairly challenging questions. Good ones. And uhm,


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, we should never put profit over valuing someone's life. And that was my bottom line there. But other people started to chime in and they started to say their piece. And I try to be respectful. I try to be kind and understanding that this person is not the enemy. The system is the enemy. The paradigm that animals are here for us to use is the enemy.


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[Assistant] Condescending, slightly insulting, you know, like he was coming from not a very nice place.


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[Assistant] So, it's frustrating and you get anxious and you get agitated and you get angry. This is what was happening to me.


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[Assistant] Option A, you start up here, they start down there. You're trying to be kind, you're trying to be respectful, you're trying to be understanding. And this person brings you down. They're not being like that, they're being insulting. You get into a slinging match of insults, of name calling, and you go down. And you both go like this.


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[Assistant] They're insulting, they're condescending, they're getting you angry, they're trying to push your buttons. And you stay here. And you can remain calm, peaceful and respectful.


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[Assistant] Because you are keeping your cool, you are sticking to the facts, and they kinda look a bit silly.


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[Assistant] They can bring you down, we can bring them up. If you stay respectful of this person as an individual, if you respect that they have an opinion that is different to yours, you don't need to respect the opinion, but you can respect that they have it. And you can treat this human who is a victim of this conditioning, just like we were, with understanding. When they're throwing this insult at you,


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[Assistant] They're gonna, they're not gonna know. Okay, this isn't really fun. This person isn't biting. They're not playing my game.


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[Assistant] And they look way more chill. I'm gonna come up there. Then you can have effective communication. You can plant seeds. This is where the seeds that are planted sprout into something special. With this man.


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[Assistant] This man and the vibe of the room start changing. I got agitated.