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[Assistant] But me to your point, we talk about the Browns having all this cap space, we talk about 2023 being the most important season for this regime, right? If you got the cap space and you need a kicker, a god-ass clutch, who gives a damn what it costs? I don't care. We're trying to go win the Super Bowl now, but the one thing that really pissed me off about how K-York handled itself, right? You gotta understand something Mr. York, you're a kicker.


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[Assistant] If you make your kicks, they're not even coming to talk to you anyway. That's right. That's something for you to think about. I jokingly said on Behind the Glass, man, do kickers even get a playbook?


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[Assistant] Kicking a game winner in a swap down in Florida when the weather was crazy. All that's cool. But sometimes what you do in college, even for a kicker,


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[Assistant] Don't translate to the NFL. And when you're in the NFL, what you do in practice, sometimes don't translate to the games. It's all about what you do when the lights come on and then what you do in clutch moments, right? We've seen this preseason alone.


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[Assistant] Worked out the way it did against Kansas City because we all needed to see that. We all needed to see what you was going to do when there was a pressure moment. So I don't give a damn about you being 36 for 36 in training camp and in practice. It doesn't matter. You're 50% in a preseason and that is god awful for a kicker. That is totally unacceptable.


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[Assistant] Errol, go ahead. But it's so funny because...


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[Assistant] I don't know what McNuggets is talking about. I don't feel sorry for him. Somebody tweeted at me and the first thing I said when I read it,


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[Assistant] You lucky you tweeted me and not bored. The guy tweeted me and said that I was being too hard on K and if he, if he misses a game win in field goal versus Cincinnati in week one, okay, cool. That's when you move on.


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[Assistant] Are you, are you serious right now? Some people make so many excuses for people, listen man, life happens and whatever, second chances in life, I told you before, that's different. But this is, this is a business. This is pro sports, and for the love of God, you're a damn kicker.


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[Assistant] Get your stuff together. So for some of these fans I feel like they've seen nothing but you know average or above average from the Cleveland Browns. They're okay with just being okay.


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[Assistant] It's so many people that's okay with just being okay. And it's like,


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[Assistant] How can you wrap your mind around that you got a talented team and how important this year is and you mean to tell me, you mean to tell me that you're willing to see K-York.


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[Assistant] Mr. Gang winning field goal against a division rival before you're willing to move on, not realizing that that three point loss against Cincinnati can make a huge difference if the Browns make the playoffs to win a division come week 18. It makes no sense at all.


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[Assistant] I believe he's the guy that just dawned on me. There was a couple seasons he kicked in Chicago.


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[Assistant] It's like, okay, you've kicked in the Midwest, you've kicked in Chicago, you've kicked in San Francisco where it gets windy. So this is a dude who has proven over the course of his career that the elements don't mean anything. And I'm pretty sure I would love to know the numbers.


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[Assistant] But I'm pretty sure he's kicked in Cleveland Brown Stadium before. Probably. And I would love to see what his numbers is inside of Cleveland Brown Stadium.


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[Assistant] You know, we've raved about Bubba Ventrone taking over as special teams coordinator and safe to say, again, preseason can't take too much from it, but of all the units, the special teams unit collectively has been the worst and I'm wondering,


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[Assistant] How much one on one did him and Kay York have about his mechanics? And it could be sometimes, man, you could coach a guy up, you could give a guy all the tools, sometimes they just can't fix the car.


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[Assistant] All these different defensive threats, you mimic everything else. And if I'm every team in the NFL and I look at Justin Tucker and I look at the Baltimore Ravens, knowing that this man has a kicking coordinator or kicking coach and he's the best kicker in the NFL. If I'm every other team, okay, let me copy and paste this just like I copy and paste everything else.


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[Assistant] I guess I want to know why the God would like to keep Kay York, but that's the type of stuff that we're talking about here, right?


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[Assistant] What, and what, what reason would you want to keep him? Because he was a fourth round pick, because he's young, because he has all this potential. Potential is a bunch of stuff that you haven't done yet. This team is ready made to try to go win the Super Bowl right now. And you want to hold on to a kicker for what reason? What reason?


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[Assistant] Yeah, same here. I thought Deshaun Watson played well. Not great, but he played well. Uh, to your point, a couple throws, both of the throws that I thought was pretty poor throws.


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[Assistant] Both went to Elijah Moore. It seemed like they were just downward in trajectory. It's kind of skipped the ground or whatever, but I saw a lot of good things. You know, I seen the timing. I seen the chemistry that I was looking for. That scene route that he hit DPJ on. I mean, that was a perfect timing pattern right there.


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[Assistant] You talk about the touchdown to David Najoku. You can tell the chemistry between him and Najoku has grown. They talked about on the broadcast about Najoku liking the ball in certain areas to where


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[Assistant] He can only go get it. So you can see that chemistry and development there. I thought you see that athleticism and a playmaking ability when the pocket broke down and he was able to roll out and hit Amari Cooper on the fly. Again, the word chemistry. You seen Amari Cooper stop on the route, realize what was going on and then kind of make his way downfield.


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[Assistant] Um, it makes me feel very comfortable about this offense heading into week one against the Cincinnati Bengals.


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[Assistant] The reason being, I've seen that play run with every other running back in the backfield and the handoff to running back exchange was smooth. Yeaah. So, you know, Wilkins was there for a cup of coffee and clearly it didn't work. But overall, I thought Deshaun Watson played pretty well and I think that


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[Assistant] By seeing how he played in those three series, he led two touchdown drives. Of course they had to turn over. I'm comfortable with what I seen heading into week one.


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[Assistant] I looked at that and again because I keep using the word chemistry, right?


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[Assistant] Because to me, with the offense being so new and so different and him having the keys to the offense,


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[Assistant] I really wanted to see what the chemistry looked like between him and his guys. And when Jed Wills got beat and that play broke down.


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[Assistant] You can see Amari Cooper adjust his route. And so it's like they were on the same page. Okay, this is what we're going to do if this situation happens. And so just seeing that chemistry with him and his guys, uhm, I'm looking forward to it.


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[Assistant] You can tell Elijah Moore is a guy that he likes to target. I don't know if it's because Elijah Moore is short, but it seems like a lot of his passes him is kinda heading in a downward direction.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, DTR capped off what has been an amazing offseason for himself, right? I mean, he's one of the highest rated quarterbacks in a preseason. He didn't turn the ball over not one time. He was able to grow each week. And then even like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, it just, the whole thing hits a little different. So I thought he played well, I thought Kellerman played well. Uhm, the Browns have a pretty solid quarterback room. I think DTR will have a fun experience sitting behind Deshaun Watson this season. Please, please. And learning the ropes.


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[Assistant] You can definitely tell that this is his team. Yeaah. That's the biggest difference I think for me from last year to this year. Just from everything that we know.


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[Assistant] When you see his body language on the football field. When you see him interacting with his teammates.


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[Assistant] You see a guy who, okay, this is my team, I'm in control, I'm a leader, you know, I'm the captain because I'm pretty sure he will be wearing a C on his jersey this year. It's a night and day difference from last year to this year and you see him taking total command and I think that, you know, energy transfers and if that's the type of energy that you're giving off, then damn it, it should be a fun season in Cleveland for the Browns.


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[Assistant] Like you said, no brainer, not surprised here, nothing to see here. Third round pick, a lot of speed, never lived up to the potential. I think you got what, less than 15 career receptions, 186 career yards. The one touchdown that you see on the screen, that was a Russian touchdown.


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[Assistant] It wasn't even a receiving touchdown. So, you know, you, you look at this, uh, I give Andrew Berry credit.


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[Assistant] So, she bout to go so. Oh man, she's pissed. Listen, as a kid who got whoopin's all the time. Who stay with a whoopin. Oh my god. I got touched up. Listen, I feel, did you see her face? She was pissed. I feel so sorry for them kids right now.


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[Assistant] Aditi, there's a meme floating around. I know, I personally enjoy it. It's parents everywhere saying, school, come get y'all kids. Come get y'all kids.


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[Assistant] He was bringing him back. I think they offered him a deal. Oh, did they? I think they offered him a deal. Not sure what was that. Aditi, I am rude on Martin Emerson Jr.


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[Assistant] I've told Mcnuggets plenty of times I think by seasons end.


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[Assistant] That he can be the best corner on his team. When you look throughout the preseason, he was the guy who really made the play on the, on the, uh, on the, I think was at the McLeod interception against Kansas City. You seen a couple of preseason games ago, snatched the ball out the receivers hands, even though they blew it dead.


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[Assistant] I think this guy can take a major step forward. I know I had Grant Dopa as my breakout player for the Browns defense in 2023. I think I want to change that right now to Martin Emerson Jr. Are you seeing what I'm seeing from this guy?


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[Assistant] And your teacher would say, you know, if you do X, Y, and Z, you get a sticker. And the one with the most stickers at the end of the week, they will be recognized. Now the grand scheme of things, the stickers don't mean a damn thing when it comes to my grades and come to my attendance. But it's a psychological thing. You know what? Let me get my hands on that sticker.


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[Assistant] I used to tailgate before every single Browns game and I never left the Muni lot not drunk, right? Sometimes, and this is just, being drunk sometimes is fun. As long as you don't do nothing crazy to cause harm to somebody else or to find yourself in jail, you gotta live a little, man. You can be dead tomorrow, man. Have some fun. Kick it a little bit.


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[Assistant] He's dealing with or coming off of blood clots in his lungs and in his legs. And those are two very serious areas to have blood clots. And so, you know, just to see him


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[Assistant] Working his way back, it's like, okay, let's take baby steps with this, but I don't want to start imagining or penciling him in as a contributor immediately. Maybe after the first foo- maybe after the bye week.


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[Assistant] Let's say they activated him, but maybe after the bout week, he can become a contributor, but I don't think that just because he's been activated, that now all of a sudden, Deshaun Watson has that weapon disposable to him.


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[Assistant] You can argue that Austin Watkins has made more of or just about the same amount with the opportunities given to him.


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[Assistant] Raise some eyebrows, so to speak, but when I look at, you know, just the physique, just what I've seen from him in preseason this year, and I understand David Bale has made some plays as well, it's just something in my gut says he's the better player to keep.


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[Assistant] And I get it, David Bale was a draft pick last year. We all know how this organization rolls, right? They don't like to give up on guys that they drafted. And then people can point to, well, he won the award to being the best receiver in the Big 10. I call BS on that, right?


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[Assistant] But you know what, I'll say this as well, that I've had some days to think on this. Regardless of who they keep as the 6Y receiver,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't think it's gonna matter much, right? Because I think that you're gonna see probably four to five of those wide receivers have an impact and we keep forgetting the fact that


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[Assistant] You know, these tight ends is a part of the pass catching group as well, and these tight ends are going to be contributing factors. And I always go back to Jordan Aikens, a guy that he played with in Houston, seems to be a guy that he has high chemistry with, and a guy that, along with David Najoku, should have a pretty good season. And so these guys are,


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[Assistant] They always seem to go get wide receivers. They never really get wide receivers in the first round. They develop these wide receivers to be a ballist and they've done so probably for the last 10 to 15 years and I think it don't get talked about. You know what that is?


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[Assistant] Okay, he had one catch for 12 yards yesterday, so that kind of balances, balances it out. Yeaah, one catch for 12 yards.


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[Assistant] Hopefully it don't even come down to that, but we've done this. I mean, Maury Cooper won, Donovan Peoples Jones too, Elijah Moore three.


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[Assistant] I'll just say this to the people in the UCSS chat. I'll say that about everything. And to the people that's watching at home, good, bad, or indifferent, whether you agree, disagree, whatever the case may be, I personally appreciate you taking time out today and pulling up on this. You can be doing anything that you want to if you're here with us. So shout out to y'all. Even the haters. I love you haters.


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[Assistant] I'm not even, I can't man, me and Anthony tell Mike all the time, this list was like, I don't know who's where on the list. I don't know where I had Nick Chubb or it or anything like this, but while they're going through that, I will say this, me and Mike did have a conversation this morning. And to me, you know, the fact that you traded for a running back.


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[Assistant] It spells out a lot of different things. I agree. First and foremost, Nick Chubb cannot get hurt. Nick Chubb gets hurt is different. I remember he echoed what you just said when he was on a pivot podcast and he talked about that. A lot of people has this assumption that anybody can come in and just do what I do. And he said, that's exactly why I worked so hard to always separate myself. But we've heard all this noise about Jerome Ford.


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[Assistant] They love Jerome Ford. They believe Jerome Ford is this guy, this, that, and the third. You suffered a soft tissue injury. A soft tissue injury that pretty much cut you out the entire camp.


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[Assistant] John Kelly ain't it. And to be totally honest with you, Pierre Strong, yeaah, that's a nice little trade because they needed offensive line depth, you needed running back depth, but I'm still not sure they're not even done shopping for running back depth.


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[Assistant] Listen, and it's funny because you set it up, you know, not to go back to the running back conversation we had about the value of the running back position, but this is why I love the comments that Andrew Berry made at the beginning of training camp when he talked about evaluating that position. He says, man, listen,


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[Assistant] You can't evaluate the running back position as a whole. You need to go situation by situation, team to team because some teams like the Tennessee Titans and the Cleveland Browns and the San Francisco 49ers, you got guys that can make a huge difference.


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[Assistant] And the outcome of your game. These are not just your everyday running backs. And like Nick Chubb said, I'm putting in the work to separate myself, right? And I've told you all this on this set before. Growing up for me, I'm 35 years old.


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[Assistant] And growing up early 2000s, Adrian Peterson was that dude. LeDenny and Tomlinson was that dude. And we trans, we progress here to 2023 and we talk about the running back position, not holding the same value. And I always ask myself the same question when evaluating Nick Chubb. When I look at Nick Chubb,


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[Assistant] Do I see a guy with Adrian Peterson's potential?


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[Assistant] Tell me what the market is for Nick Chubb, number 24 for the Cleveland Browns. Because his situation is totally different from any situation. You cannot box him in with everybody else when he constantly shows you he stands out.


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[Assistant] You know what else he said in that podcast, man? He says, man, the goal is to take a team sold. He said, man, you beat a team down, you physically beat a team down by running a ball at them, the time in and time out. And it's like,


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[Assistant] This dude shows you, man, that he can take your soul. He seems to always make the right decisions on the football field, minus the jazz game, which he admitted to, but...


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[Assistant] More often than not, he makes the right decisions on the football field and off the football field. Nick Chubb, Nick Chubb's important to this team. It's like, to me, it's almost second to none. We talk a lot about Myles Garrett, we talk a lot about Deshaun Watson, man.


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[Assistant] They had Deshaun Watson as the, uh, I put a poll up on Twitter. This was crazy. And I said, who do you think would be the Cleveland Browns second lead in Russia? And I think the options was Jerome Ford, Deshaun Watson, Elijah Moore and others.


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[Assistant] I, I, I mean, you look at, you look at Elijah Moore. Deshaun got the most votes you said? Deshaun Watson was like 47%. But you, you, you look at Elijah Moore and I think...


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[Assistant] I'll say this. This is just my opinion. John Marshall is part of the Cleveland Municipal School District. The athletic attention to CMSD.


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[Assistant] Sports is not what it was when I was in high school, which sucks. It seems like if you're not Glenville, you don't get the resources necessary to build a quality program when you play for a Cleveland municipal school.


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[Assistant] And that's how you get kids off the streets. That's how you help them kinda like channel in on different things like that to tone in their focus, so.


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[Assistant] Your time starts now. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.


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[Assistant] So close. Mr. Pathak, so close.


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[Assistant] Let's wait and watch.


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[Assistant] Kaisa lag raha hai Mr. Patak? Apniyaab ko kisi ke haath ki katpukli bante huye?


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[Assistant] I took my year-old revenge. I defeated that K.D. Pathak. Neither did I leave him to live, nor to die. Just to make up for my mistake, he will suffocate. He will take each breath.


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[Assistant] So uhm,


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[Assistant] In this report they mentioned, uh, the SPAC.


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[Assistant] Uh, as a company who has close links to criminal organizations, the so-called Tamboskaya Mafia in St. Petersburg.


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[Assistant] London in Germany through investments in real estates.


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[Assistant] It was a political affair. They must inform at this time Chancellor Gerhard Schröder.


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[Assistant] That's about a normal investigation from a prosecutor in a small town in Germany. Mr. Schroeder.


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[Assistant] But suddenly, for a month, without telling anyone, it disappears.


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[Assistant] Hey. Sorry it took so long. Soldier's fucking everywhere. How's Marlene? She'll make it.


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[Assistant] Jay Crawford. Adam the Bull. Garrett Bush.


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[Assistant] ...began giving speeches and writing op-eds about how important it was.


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[Assistant] Head said to Chairman Leahy, I would like to chair an oversight hearing to ensure that these funds are being spent effectively.


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[Assistant] We sat down and we sort of got down to business and Ted said Chairman Leahy has asked me to hold an oversight hearing that will provide me with a public forum to explore, you know, just what you're doing on this front of investigating Wall Street. Well that certainly got their attention.


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[Assistant] We said, you know, don't just come back here a couple years from now and say, you know, look at all the small fry we nailed to the wall. You know, we're talking about also investigating senior level people at Wall Street firms, even at the board level.


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[Assistant] Well I thought it was fair theater because, you know, we were asking tough questions.


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[Assistant] A purpose. I mean, do I wish we had been even more aggressive? Yes. But we were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. And we felt like, okay, let's sit back and let them do their jobs.


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[Assistant] No one going to jail, no individuals being held accountable for anything other than relatively paltry fines.


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[Assistant] I think that is without a doubt a factor in the difficulty of approving intent. But I'm sorry, I just don't believe there was enough effort.


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[Assistant] Not one executive on Wall Street, not one player in this entire financial crisis.


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[Assistant] Ped decided he wanted to have a second hearing before he left office so that he could question Brewer, Perkins, and Kazami.


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[Assistant] From our perspective, it was a big mystery. You know, we really believed that there was sufficient evidence of fraud, that there should have been some cases.


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[Assistant] And I was sitting there behind the senator thinking, you're dancing around the central question. Did the department undertake a purposeful, concerted,


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[Assistant] Timely investigation of higher level Wall Street executives.


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[Assistant] And at that point, I just began to feel like, okay, I feel like I'm being gamed here.


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[Assistant] Not only was no one going to be held to account for the financial crisis, but, and I don't say this lightly, no one.


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[Assistant] In mortgage underwriting, somehow we just missed, you know, that home prices don't go up forever.


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[Assistant] That way of reducing your risk is to sell what you have.


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[Assistant] I actually had a friend who put me in touch with a couple of people who ended up in the film, uhm, people that worked at EMC Mortgage, which was Behr's mortgage conduit. It was really the factory floor.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, the ease with which I found these people and the things that they were telling me, uh, you know, it wouldn't have taken a lot of effort on the part of a regulatory entity in Washington to have done this. I'm an independent filmmaker. You know, I'm not a financial regulator. I'm not somebody who's running the SEC. It's like, you know,


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[Assistant] What have you guys been doing? What have you been looking at? I mean, I went out and found these people myself and, you know, in my spare time basically.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, and it, it was work, but it wasn't that hard.


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[Assistant] So that we can have a better community and you don't have to be afraid. But will we ever get justice?


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[Assistant] My mom was a caregiver and she was just a person that would do anything for anybody.


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[Assistant] When the explosion happened, I was in the kitchen. And you can hear all the sirens. You know, you can see the lights.


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[Assistant] Daughter-in-law. I'm quite sure that someone knows something. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And for them to not have come forth after all these years.


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[Assistant] I feel like the FBI brought all this attention out to...


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[Assistant] I'm gonna tell myself nothing will ever survive over here because of the prejudiceness that happened in this building.


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[Assistant] It's been years and even though I try to say that I'm over it, you know, the less talk that I do, the better off I am.


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[Assistant] Those of you who seek injustice, you all are not alone. We're all in this together.


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[Assistant] This was the piece that I found within myself to honor the late Worldish Jackson, Sr.


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[Assistant] He received a promotion at the Armstrong Time Rubber Company that otherwise would have gone to a white employee for a five cent raise. You think about five cent.


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[Assistant] It has been a hard 54 years and still it's hard, but it brings great honor that I stand here in his steps and on his shoulders.


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[Assistant] Communication house, we got to ask some communication home, you know, resident. So.


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[Assistant] I didn't know that was her. Screw David then. I ain't taking a chance with this.


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[Assistant] At Armstrong as a result of the Civil Rights Act.


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[Assistant] Different jobs to blacks, and so this new job comes open.


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[Assistant] We're eligible for that position, but he had more experience than anybody.


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[Assistant] Jackson had a whole lot of things going against him. He was involved in civil rights.


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[Assistant] He rode to work with George Midcalf and he took a job.


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[Assistant] We have this problem in southwest Mississippi and something is always flaming up.


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[Assistant] The reason black people in Natchez have such a problem with JT is overparchment.


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[Assistant] The more you read, the more fascinated you get, then you feel like you're looking into a window of time.


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[Assistant] That you could say were in the Klan at that time. Active, probably 30 or so. 30 or so. Do you recall or did you ever see any harassment on either side?


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[Assistant] Early on when I started working on all of these cases, I had never dealt with the FBI or the DOJ in my whole life.


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[Assistant] I initially began to write stories and the FBI was reading the material and agents would occasionally stop by and ask me to share things.


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[Assistant] I would share, well this person lives here and I found this guy or whatever and I would have questions for them. And they never answered any of my questions.


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[Assistant] Finally, I found an FBI agent named John Pfeiffer, who was here for 10 years back during the era. It took a year or two for him to get to know me and to trust me.


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[Assistant] Plansman we can find. We're gonna assign two agents.


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[Assistant] We're going to surveil them and we're going to follow them and we're going to make their lives miserable until we figure out what was going on.


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[Assistant] They began to learn from different people that there was this clan within a clan called the Silver Dollar Group.


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[Assistant] I don't know how to term them, and this is like a crude term, but if you had an all-star clan team, that would be it. They would be in the Pro Bowl. A Silver Dollar Group member would be the kind of guy that thought wearing a robe was silly, who thought burning crosses was silly, who rejected the old clan because they weren't achieving anything.


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[Assistant] This man that worked at Armstrong where, where Medcalf and Jackson both worked. He was the number one leader of the Silver Dollar Group.


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[Assistant] And they go up in the attic and they pull out boxes and there is a child's toy drum.


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[Assistant] And then that toy drum is primer cord material like that. And Sonny says, well, where you going? You want me to go help you unload this? I said, Red said,


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[Assistant] At some point in, in 1967 after the bombing happened, Sonny Taylor became an FBI informant. He has been with Glover when Glover's moving bombs around.


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[Assistant] He provided them a good bit of information. Sonny had even implicated himself in the George Metcalf bombing, he says, to the FBI.


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[Assistant] You give me immunity in this MedCav case, I'll deliver you enough information you can put Glover away.


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[Assistant] So what I thought I'd do today, I kind of wanted to tell you what I found out about


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[Assistant] The Silver Dollar Group and About Your Dads, the bombing, and uh, just share with you what, what I believe happened based on the documents and the interviews that I, that I'd done. You know, he wasn't just a chance victim. All these people had been murdered before him.


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[Assistant] All these beatings and all these bombings and all these arsons and he knew that. And he knew when he took that job, what he faced. So on this February day in 67, it's raining. It's rained all day long. At some point,


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[Assistant] That car and he has this C4 explosives and he wires that bomb to the left.


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[Assistant] Turn signal of Jackson's car because when Jackson left.


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[Assistant] He is going to leave the plant, take a right turn on the minor street.


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[Assistant] And as he gets to a certain point on the minor straight, he's gonna turn on his left blinker. Usually at the point he would turn on that left signal.


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[Assistant] But it just so happened that he got called


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[Assistant] Glover died in 1984 of a brain tumor.


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[Assistant] All of the other ones, one by one, have pretty well, all, all of these suspects that I've been telling you about have pretty well died. When they close the case, they're gonna send y'all a letter. They can't close the case.


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[Assistant] If you can afford to look human, you're going to the farm. It's as simple as that. You can't send me out to live with those animals.


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[Assistant] Whatever it costs, it's worth it. You don't want me catching you out of glamour again.


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[Assistant] The guy's got an axe in his brain. He's not feeling that.


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[Assistant] 58. That's all I got. It'll help, right? Take it.


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[Assistant] Look, whatever it is, it's between you and Beast. I'm staying out of it.


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[Assistant] Whatever it is, beast. I'm not a marriage counselor.


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[Assistant] I haven't slept in two days. I went out a second story window and I wanna get in two seconds of shut eye before I...


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[Assistant] You can see that someone didn't just toss her here. She was deliberately placed. For us to find.


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[Assistant] Yep, more blood. Someone might have hopped the fence, got caught, then left the trail I found earlier.


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[Assistant] The woodsman threatened to kill her with me in the room. Maybe he wants me to know that he did it.


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[Assistant] Instead of trying to assign blame, maybe we should figure out how to catch the fucker who did this.


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[Assistant] Your impatience is callow. You're needlessly cruel, but have some respect for our history and rules.


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[Assistant] Mirror mirror. If you're able. Tell me all about this fable.


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[Assistant] Was that so hard? Yeah, I'm about two seconds away from kicking a hole in ya. There's no need for that.


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[Assistant] No shit, which street? I'm sorry big guy.


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[Assistant] Strength. I guess it comes in all forms.


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[Assistant] Nothing would surprise me at this point. We can't rule him out.


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[Assistant] Mere, mere, blah, blah, Abel, blah, blah, blah about this fable. Of which fable do you wish to know?


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[Assistant] Show me, show me faith. Through powerful


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[Assistant] Show me Faith's father, the old king.


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[Assistant] Hard to say. Something going on over at Toad's place.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I couldn't really tell. But he could be in trouble. And we should go there anyway to search her apartment. Toad might have to wait.


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[Assistant] He didn't see him. He could use some help too.


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[Assistant] Someone was here and something's going on. Just so this trip wasn't a complete waste of time, I'm gonna look around a bit before we leave, okay?


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[Assistant] The lamp could not possibly have fallen, Toad. You had it plugged in over here the whole time. Someone ripped the lamp out of the wall and threw the thing.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I will. And I don't know if I've got the patience to reverse engineer whatever scheme this is.


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[Assistant] This is a murder investigation, Snow. Things aren't that simple.


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[Assistant] Just leave it to me, alright? Let's see what happens when we get inside.


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[Assistant] Nope, can't say that I do. Come on, you're coming with me.


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[Assistant] I dunno if he is. That's why I need to talk to him. I don't have the whole story. Maybe he has some information that can help us out.


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[Assistant] You'll figure it out. You're better than I am with this political stuff.


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[Assistant] I don't know who that is. Big guy, beard, flannel, kind of a shitbag. Hard to mess, uh, sure you don't know him.


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[Assistant] Oh, I know what they are. I'm just trying to figure out why anyone would eat this.


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[Assistant] Saved your beer for ya. Holly wanted to clear it, but, uh, I said no. He'll be back. Now here you are.


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[Assistant] Maybe he don't wanna talk to you. Why don't we let him tell me that?


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[Assistant] Jesus, Bigby, that fuckin' hurt. Wastin' my fuckin' time.


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[Assistant] You're backing the wrong guy. If you saw what I saw last night, you'd know that. What I see is someone who wouldn't be here.


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[Assistant] Come on, you're scaring the life out of me. Don't worry about me.


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[Assistant] I'll be better when I find who did this. Which I can't do while sitting in here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know. I just said that. Is there something?


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[Assistant] We can't let you go until you tell us exactly what that is. Snow White is dead.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what I already told this blue dandy.


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[Assistant] You can't or you won't. Look, I got questions and I know you have answers. Whether or not they're the answers I want, well, I guess we'll find out.


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[Assistant] Why were you beating up Faith? She said something about...


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[Assistant] Alright, that's something. Did you say that, Woody?


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, take a good fucking look. Take a good long look. Etch it into your fucking memory.


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[Assistant] Tell me what you meant by, Snow wasn't supposed to be there.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's something. You weren't talking about snow, but who did you mean? Who wasn't supposed to be there?


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[Assistant] I'll handle this. Woody? Who wasn't supposed to be there?


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[Assistant] Just tell me, right now, what's going on?


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[Assistant] Okay, you're gonna have to explain this, cause I'm really not getting it yet.


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[Assistant] Hey, Mirror. Hello, Bigby. Nice to see you.


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[Assistant] Mirror mirror, show me Lily. And yeah, I think this rhyming thing is silly.


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[Assistant] Okay, Mirror, can you see, uh, where the fuck is Tweedledee?


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[Assistant] Where can I find Tweedledum? Uh, that piece of... scum.


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[Assistant] Maybe it really belonged to her. Not part of the glamour.


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[Assistant] It looks just like faith's dead. Did Dr. Swinehart ever get back to you about faith?


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[Assistant] You're right. These buttons are wrong. I wonder...


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[Assistant] We're making progress. Let's see what else we can find.


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[Assistant] What is that? It's your perfume.


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[Assistant] Might wanna stand back if you're worried, Crane. I'm gonna try to open it. Something to do with these rings here.


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[Assistant] We're not finished! Leave her alone, asshole.


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[Assistant] No, I mean glamour to look like another fable.


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[Assistant] This was part of the glamour we found on Lily's body. Take a good look. She was impersonating Snow White. Why?


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[Assistant] Cut the crap, Georgie. I want the book Hans is talking about.


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[Assistant] Look, Georgie, why don't you just tell me where the book is?


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[Assistant] Well, well, what's this? Looks like a floor safe.


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[Assistant] Here, this is Lily's last entry. So tell me, Georgie, who's this Mr. Smith?


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[Assistant] What's 207? Room number? I don't fucking know. Millimeters maybe? Don't bullshit me, Georgie. This is your book. Your girl.


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[Assistant] Faith, thanks for covering for me tonight. Let's talk before you go over to the apartment. Lily. Well that jibes with what the woodsman told me.


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[Assistant] This is what I need to know about. Lily's last entry. Who's Mr. Smith? Where's room 207? I have to know!


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[Assistant] The open arms. Hmm, this is where they met.


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[Assistant] The victim was someone who worked at the pudding and pie. Lily. She, uh, come around here ever?


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[Assistant] Ever see Lily with someone here? Maybe on a job.


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[Assistant] Don't worry about it. The less I have to write down the better.


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[Assistant] You have to let me in there. This is the room 207.


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[Assistant] This is a murder investigation. She's helping me


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[Assistant] Did you notice anything out of the ordinary? There might have been some loud noises.


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[Assistant] I need you to be sure no one comes in here. This is a crime scene, okay?


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[Assistant] Looks like she was lying down when she was killed. Flowers were already here.


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[Assistant] It's a book about Snow White. Or about the Monday version of her story anyway.


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[Assistant] Georgie took advantage of her when she was in trouble. He's a real predator.


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[Assistant] It wasn't. I'd have smelled that. I think it's just a prop. It's here because they were acting out the scene in the book.


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[Assistant] She took Holly to the business office to prepare for the funeral.


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[Assistant] Crane has been taking photos now. Lots of photos.


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[Assistant] Crane watched me through the magic mirror, uncover his room at the open arms, and then he smashed it so we couldn't use it ourselves to go after it.


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[Assistant] We know this because Bufkin was drinking in the rafters. How'd about cover it?


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[Assistant] We don't have time to wait for the mirror. Crane could be getting on a train right now.


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[Assistant] Find the dull pervert or not. No, it can't be fixed. It's missing a piece.


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[Assistant] And that's if he's even going there. We're trusting a monkey's interpretation of a phone call.


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[Assistant] Holly has Lily's things. That'd probably be the safer bet.


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[Assistant] I was hoping to have a talk with Dee. They're dumb. Do you know where they are?


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[Assistant] It's official Fable Town business. Don't worry. Right.


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[Assistant] He owes the crooked man money. Shit. How's he planning to pay this all back?


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[Assistant] Request for property acquisition, further details filed under donkey skin. Crane hired them to look for a photo? Why did he want it back so badly?


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[Assistant] So that's why they were at our apartment. And the woodsman's place.


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[Assistant] I haven't found anything yet. I'm just saying. Look.


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[Assistant] Okay, great, they helped you. That's one person. Now please, just let me concentrate here.


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[Assistant] Detective Brannigan? Keep an eye on her.


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[Assistant] Why would there be anything to- Because they're lying to you, okay flycatcher? That's why. They aren't detectives. They shot at Snow White.


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[Assistant] You wanna know what this is? This is them showing up to Lily's funeral with fucking shotguns!


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[Assistant] Anything about Crane. Or the witch he was using. Something.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, I know I'm late. I'll get it to you soon.


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[Assistant] Well, Crane is gone now. I, I can't see why you couldn't come back to the Woodlands. Really? That would be, thank you. Come by the business office. I can't make any promises.


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[Assistant] No address yet, but I got a name for Crane's witch, Auntie Greenleaf. You heard of her?


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[Assistant] In Snow, I found a note with some money attached. Crane has been embezzling from Fable Town.


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[Assistant] I'll go to the trip trap, see about Lily's things. I think that's our best option.


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[Assistant] We're closed. Guys, open up. It's the sheriff.


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[Assistant] Luckily for you I don't have the time to get pissed off about this right now.


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[Assistant] I wanna drink. Anybody else wanna drink?


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[Assistant] Friend, Swineheart said you shouldn't mix it with-


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[Assistant] Really? You shouldn't drink right now. I can't hear you when you mumble. Swineheart told me that Holly was here. I need to talk to her. Holly's asleep and back, but you won't be able to wake her. Really?


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[Assistant] Well, Doc gave them both barmeseidle and brosha.


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[Assistant] Have you seen her sister's things? What wasn't burned at the funeral?


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[Assistant] I saw her come in with something, but I didn't see where she put it. Nope, haven't seen it.


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[Assistant] Gran, don't start nothin'. Who's startin' anything? I'm not.


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[Assistant] You think I shot up the place? It wasn't my fault. They got away though, didn't they?


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[Assistant] I think whatever happened was between them. And Lily is dead. So let's put this whole thing to rest, Grin.


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[Assistant] He cares about this. About Lily. About Faith. I know he does.


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[Assistant] It's pretty rare to see a burner like this.


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[Assistant] The package. Having to do with someone called the butcher. I saw one just like it at the Tweedles office.


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[Assistant] Just why in the name of everything holy are you protecting this weasely scumbag? I mean, what on earth could he have done to deserve this kind of loyalty?


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[Assistant] Isn't there another way? She's a witch. Can't she just work for us? That way she'd be official.


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[Assistant] No, I don't. The fact is Cole hasn't confirmed you.


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[Assistant] And until he does you have absolutely no authority over me. I'm not gonna burn down this tree.


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[Assistant] There's nobody else that's even remotely... He's the prime suspect. There is nobody else.


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[Assistant] He glamored a prostitute to look like you. He played out his sick-


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[Assistant] You are extraordinarily lucky Ms. White was here to save your ass. As if it was up to me.


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[Assistant] This is about those girls, and it'll always be about those girls. Nothing will change that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, wait, what do you mean? What is this right way?


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[Assistant] I'm sure from your vantage point it's extraordinarily easy to judge me. But you sit behind a desk all day.


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[Assistant] Only tonight did you see what it's like to be pushed into a corner all the time just for doing your job.


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[Assistant] So that spell crane was trying to break. It's not just while you're at work, huh.


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[Assistant] You're here because the crooked man just sent Crane to the bottom of my list of worries. You have something you want to say about that, right?


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[Assistant] How can I? It's a tool to keep you stuck in that life. Subservient. That's why you can't tell me anything. It's the ribbon, isn't it?


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[Assistant] That spell Crane talked about, is there any way to break it? Is there something I can do about it?


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[Assistant] Slow down. It's alright. I'm not gonna do anything.


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[Assistant] Even if there isn't much to it, it's still our best lead. It's worth looking into.


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[Assistant] And I really don't want to deal with the runaround. Snow said you called and wanted to talk to me.


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[Assistant] I gotta say, your place, it looks, uh, expensive.


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[Assistant] Snow told me you went to her for some financial help. Did you end up going to the crooked man?


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[Assistant] Well, what kind of trouble are you in? Either it's the money or it's something else.


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[Assistant] You think you're the only ones in danger? If you have info on that crooked bastard, I need to hear it. Otherwise I've got better things to do.


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[Assistant] Then tell me what the fuck is going on. You're in so much debt.


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[Assistant] Look around you. This isn't the way people short on cash live.


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[Assistant] You do know there's a difference between pawning something and selling it, don't you?


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[Assistant] I guess I'll go check out the lucky pond. If I can't track down the crooked man there, maybe I can make enough noise that the crooked man will come find me.


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[Assistant] Especially not where she was. So you do their dirty work.


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[Assistant] Huh. Empty. Either he's got a whole lot of customers, or he doesn't have any.


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[Assistant] I'm just doing my job, Johan. What the fuck are you doing?


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[Assistant] This business, it's all I've ever had. These lights, Yohan, did you born them I was here?


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[Assistant] I'm here now. Gonna sort this all out.


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[Assistant] James. Who's getting chained up here?


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[Assistant] You do know something, huh? Is that a... wheel or what?


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[Assistant] I guess they never use that thing on wolves huh? What's that supposed to mean?


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[Assistant] These are raw materials for making magic. Anti-greenleaf and-


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[Assistant] Don't you see what's going on here? With all these raw materials.


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[Assistant] Looks like he could process him into just about any kind of magic. He's got all he needs. The gear, and slave labor to work at.


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[Assistant] Whoever he's got in here, in these chains, he's, he's enslaving fables. My watch.


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[Assistant] People just don't know the real cost of getting something cheap.


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[Assistant] Report to the business office. Tell Snow I sent you there, and we'll, uh, we'll figure something out. Some kind of protection. Thank you. Thank you, Sheriff.


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[Assistant] The magic mirror's missing shard. Where is it? Bloody Mary brought it here, didn't she?


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[Assistant] The shard. It's the shard. Finally.


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[Assistant] Believe me, that's all I've been doing this whole damn time. Alright, go do it then.


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[Assistant] His goon, the Jersey Devil, is putting the squeeze on all kinds of fables down at the lucky pawn.


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[Assistant] And he's got fables enslaved at the butcher shop, making black market magic.


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[Assistant] That's over now. Because we got the mirror. And once it's fixed, we got him. That's how Crane did it. And that's how we're gonna do it.


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[Assistant] Don't worry, we'll talk soon. You can count on it.


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[Assistant] Bucking's still working on it. He said it might be a while.


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[Assistant] Colin isn't your concern. You should worry about your own fucking situation, Toad. You bastard.


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[Assistant] Bluebeard, you wanna talk? Now's your chance.


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[Assistant] If there's one thing I've figured out, it's that the Crooked Man is all about control. It's what he does with the loans at the pawn shop, the magic he peddles, chains, ribbons. Maybe Faith and Lily weren't doing what they were told. Or maybe they just tried to leave.


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[Assistant] Snow, I know you've got your reasons, but he's not our top concern right now.


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[Assistant] I can't make that promise. This could turn sour, just depending on how the wind blows. I have to be able to handle it how I see fit.


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[Assistant] What is this place? Or where is it? I know I'm not in Central Park anymore.


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[Assistant] You shouldn't be here, Tim. This place is dangerous. Especially for someone like you.


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[Assistant] I understand the position you're in, but you don't have to do this. There are other things you could do. So it's just that easy? Maybe not, but you don't wanna be a part of this.


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[Assistant] I'm the law here, not you. Now tell me who did it!


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[Assistant] You can't seriously want to protect this guy. You know what he did.


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[Assistant] There's still a lot you have to answer for.


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[Assistant] You're under arrest. You'll be given a trial in front of your peers.


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[Assistant] You intimidate people. You scare tactics. They're afraid if they don't follow orders, they'll end up dead.


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[Assistant] We're kind of in the middle of something. She has something to say and we're gonna listen. Go right ahead.


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[Assistant] What did you expect to happen here? You're getting what you deserve.


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[Assistant] I don't know. He, uh, must have run off. BULLSHIT!


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[Assistant] You were just trying to protect them.


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[Assistant] So, that piece of fabric I found near there, that was you?


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[Assistant] I don't really know where we stand anymore. Things are just... different.


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[Assistant] Don't want to say I'm stuck, but I have reached a slight impasse where I've


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[Assistant] One of the best games ever made, in your opinion. Happy to help you. Yea, no problem.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I loved Axiom Verge. I was either gonna get Axiom Verge 2, or play this, but I figured rather than buying a new game, I should play the game I already have, right?


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[Assistant] You think you'd like to actually merge two more than one?


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[Assistant] From what I was reading it was quite a bit different and I think that was, gave me a little bit of pause.


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[Assistant] But, nothing... I'm gonna play it eventually.


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[Assistant] How about this, I'll walk you guys through my thought process here a little bit and you can tell me if I'm way off base. Uhm, so the hallway, beyond the hallway to this room, this I guess tall hallway I'm in.


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[Assistant] The gate is closed. As far as I know, I can't open it from the side I'm on. So I think I have to be in this vertical room. My, my thinking is I'm gonna have to blow up something somewhere that's maybe not super obvious to me. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, okay. Correct room. Gently force me here. Kinda what I was thinking. Uhm, let me see if I can get a little bit of energy off of these guys. Just to give myself some insurance.


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[Assistant] Let's see if I can slide up into this. There's also, at the end of this tube, there was this block here that I could blow up.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this platform is also destructible.


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[Assistant] If you can tell me, uhm, yeaah. Go ahead, Gramorph. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I think I was just expecting nothing to happen. There we go.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and if I, if I miss something too, like a side hatch or if I'm, if I lean towards exploring a certain direction, don't worry, I typically make note of, of rooms that I've, whoops, didn't mean to do that, of rooms that I'm not able to


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[Assistant] That this man's death was attributed to the fact that he started a new job that very morning that had been held previously by a white man. Is that what you're saying?


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[Assistant] Don't change the subject. You are to blame for this unpleasantness, Ms. Snow.


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[Assistant] You are trusted to keep things running smoothly around here. This is a disaster!


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[Assistant] Oh, says the man who is most to blame for this catastrophe. How convenient.


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[Assistant] Sheriff, you are the one charged with protecting the citizens of Fabletown. Your failure to do so costs someone their life, and the safety of the entire community.


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[Assistant] Do your job, Sheriff. Or we'll find someone who can.


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[Assistant] What the fuck is going on? You should be thanking me.


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[Assistant] It's just a memory wipespell. Very expensive. But it works. The whole station will forget the last 24 hours. And everything they saw at the Woodlands.


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[Assistant] Well, thanks to you there's been at least some hope in this whole dreadful affair. I'm confident he has some information about the slayings.


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[Assistant] Bluebeard's currently interrogating him, and he's already to the point of confession.


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[Assistant] It's been one full night and a slice of morning, and I already miss her too.


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[Assistant] Our stories used to be so simple. We had a beginning, a middle, and an end. But ever since we moved to this awful city, everything's gotten so confused.


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[Assistant] Did she, uhm, give any indication to what she was thinking? And you saw her last at me. I don't know why, but I'd like to know that she was... I guess fine, I suppose.


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[Assistant] It's been two murders in as many days. If we don't unearth our culprit and soon, there will likely be another on our doorstep tonight. I'll get it done. Please, Bigby. For Miss White. I got it.


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[Assistant] I told you not to touch him until we returned. I didn't.


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[Assistant] We, uh, confiscated his belongings. For the time being. This was all we could find on him in any case.


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[Assistant] Bigby! It'll be hard to justify this level of... Brutality is all I want to point out. I know you're upset about Snow.


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[Assistant] There's nothing wrong with easing up a little.


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[Assistant] I warned you earlier and you haven't listened and now it's just truly gone too far. The man has rights. His rights are on temporary leave. Bluebeard, that's enough now.


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[Assistant] You never think out the ramifications for things. Beating information out of someone will simply never get the people aligned with us. I dare say this is the exact kind of infantile rashness that got Ms. White killed.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's wise to fool around with that. It's some kind of black market magic. Who knows what it could do. We should have it looked at. Just to make sure it isn't dangerous. Don't you think?


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[Assistant] It's too dangerous. Someone tried to kill you. Bigby, you can't let her go out there with you. You'd be putting her life at risk.


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[Assistant] I'd love to join you, but there's some business I need to attend to.


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[Assistant] There's a question, is there any meaning behind FF06B5 written on the statue? I cannot tell you. Of course there is a meaning.


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[Assistant] There are many misconceptions about mobile or manufactured homes. For instance, right now, you may be picturing something that looks like this. But for decades, the industry's been trying to change that image running ads like this one.


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[Assistant] In recent years, some of the biggest investors in America have moved into this industry.


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[Assistant] According to one new report, over 100,000 home sites traditionally run by mom and pop businesses are now owned or partly owned by private equity firms like these. So the homes of some of the poorest people in America are getting snapped up by some of the richest people in America. And luckily, there have been no problems whatsoever.


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[Assistant] Sadly, back in the real world, the truth is, the rise of big money investors in mobile homes has led to a corresponding spike in rents, fees, and local news stories like these.


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[Assistant] So tonight, tonight, let's take a look at the mobile home industry. Let's start with the company that sells more mobile homes than any other, Clayton Homes, controlled by one of the richest men in America, Warren Buffett. Although, the company's ads choose to feature a more down home spokesman.


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[Assistant] And they've done that not just by selling homes, but by financing them as well. Because instead of being financed with mortgages, mobile homes tend to be bought with


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[Assistant] High interest, shorter term, chattel loans. The kind you'd use to buy a car or a TV. And an investigation a few years back found Clayton relies on predatory sales practices, exorbitant fees, and interest rates that can exceed 15% trapping many buyers in loans they can't afford.


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[Assistant] Clayton strenuously denies all of that, saying the report was based on isolated incidents and that its customers report high levels of satisfaction. Although, I will point out that one of those isolated incidents was this call a Clayton customer got when she fell behind on payments.


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[Assistant] But one of the biggest problems here isn't even to do with how you pay for a mobile home or how quickly it loses its value. It's where you put it. Because around a third of mobile home dwellers own their homes but don't own the land underneath it. That's because they live in mobile home parks and pay rent on that land


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[Assistant] But in recent years, large investors have been snatching those parks up and either tearing them down or ratcheting up rent and fees, as these women experienced firsthand.


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[Assistant] His company is one of the largest park operators in the U.S., controlling over 30,000 home sites in 25 states. Rolfe is an evangelist for the wonders of mobile home park investing. Just look at this uplifting message that he made ahead of the 2012 election about what it would mean for his industry, taped for some reason in front of a shitty green screen oval office.


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[Assistant] Rolf is completely shameless about the degree to which his business depends on having a captive customer base, positively comparing it to running a waffle house where everyone is chained to the booths. A concept so deeply chilling, I think it may have just inspired Jordan Peele's next movie.


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[Assistant] Usually when someone is that contemptuous of poor people, they're immediately visited by the ghost of Christmas future. Now, now, maybe, maybe Rolfe will claim that that quote is out of context too, and that he's not arguing that they're hostages.


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[Assistant] So, with that woman and many mobile home residents like her in danger of having their lives turned upside down, it is worth asking, is there anything that can be done here? Well, one potential solution is for residents to band together and buy their own park, keeping it out of the hands of speculators or developers. And while that sounds inherently like a long shot,


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[Assistant] There are non-profit groups that have had real success in helping tenants get financing to do just that. What would help is to have laws in every state that give residents the right of first refusal and time to raise funds if the current owner plans to sell. But until laws like that are put in place, which they absolutely should be, there are some key things to bear in mind. If you want to rent a mobile home, that's fine.


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[Assistant] If you can afford to buy one and put it on land that you own, that's fine. But buying a mobile home and renting the land underneath it can be financially catastrophic. And it is very important.


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[Assistant] Anyone considering doing that knows the risks involved. And I tell you what would have been helpful all along, if the marketing for these homes had always made those risks completely clear.


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[Assistant] No truth to that? Hmm? There's no truth to that? It's kinda lit, I'm not gonna lie.


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[Assistant] Yeah. That's crazy. It's like, you know, I'm sure so many people see your stuff and they're like, oh, it's like new rappers, new rappers all the time. They would never think that you've been working on your shit for 10 years.


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[Assistant] Does that make you wonder if you can trust your own instincts when the song that you didn't think was poppin' ends up being the most poppin' song?


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[Assistant] You just get in there and just go to town. You don't got none of those. Cause like, you're kind of known for having some wild ass punch lines. It's like crazy, crazy things. It's not even like punch lines cause they don't sound like they're supposed to be jokes. It's just random shit that everybody's just like, oh.


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[Assistant] No, I feel that. Uhm, so have you done meetings with labels? What's your outlook on all that in terms of coming up in the music industry?


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[Assistant] Definitely. Where do you think that confidence comes from? Like you always just felt like you could actually be the dude that...


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[Assistant] A lot of people say that, so I'm not that surprised to hear you say that. But you are pretty young, to be honest. I was listening to Lil Wayne in 1998 when I was in 8th grade. You were not born that, I'm guessing. Not even close.


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[Assistant] Dead one. Uhm, so what's your plan in terms of your career right now in terms of what you feel like you need to accomplish and shit?


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[Assistant] You fight with Jay? You're more of a non-Mirafan. Cause you got that pistol talk where it has to go up first.


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[Assistant] Yeah. But hey, you never know. You might have like, you know, a game coming and chasing you down. Like, hey, we're trying to give you 50 racks to play fucking this game on your stream or some shit.


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[Assistant] But the interview shit is the one thing that even if I made no money from it, I would still be grinding that and chasing after it, you know? Yeah. It's like the one thing you can't help but do is the thing you should usually go towards unless you're a heroin addict. No, I know you're not.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Like a music video, but also like a trailer, like a dance. Yeah, we should. I'm with it. That's the new wave.


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[Assistant] Thanks. Uh, yo. Xanman. Xan servant. You got a message to the people out there?


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[Assistant] I was just watching Lil Dicky freestyling that and I'm like, man, we gotta start doing that.


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[Assistant] I appreciate you bro, everybody out there, Zayn man, number one rapper in the world, right now.


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[Assistant] I love these decorative bottles. Oh, that's my blood.


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[Assistant] But home is where the sweet potato pie is. I didn't make that. Did you make that? Is that burning your hands? Are you a witch? I wanna see your garden. No, no, no, no, no. Don't, don't look out there. Here I go. Do it.


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[Assistant] He's right. It's like a waffle house where I am chained to my booth. That sounds delicious. What is wrong with you? Speaking of delicious. Stop it.


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[Assistant] Welcome to Siberia. I'm Stefan Pomerov.


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[Assistant] Has anyone done anything to raise spirits during this extended pandemic? Drive through strip club.


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[Assistant] Tell me more. Well, at first it was just a food delivery service. What was it called? Boobareats. Yaaas.


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[Assistant] Oh, I got something fun too. Please. Instead of the Derby this past Saturday, we raced Turtles.


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[Assistant] Who are you gonna fight anyway? Well his ex-wife was from Iowa, so... See, this is exactly why I don't come to these things. Louisiana, what are you doing?


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[Assistant] Of course not that. Well you're doing an exercise that doesn't require a gym. So? So that's like saying you don't need the gym to open.


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[Assistant] I knew you would bring it up. Bring what up? A manicurist was drowned by a gator. Wouldn't be the first time South Carolina took an L to a gator. You just wait until real sports are back. Oh, speaking of which, if you guys' teams can't practice,


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[Assistant] Really? Did the 5 year old from Utah steal a car, drive to California and buy a Lamborghini?


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[Assistant] Anything is possible if you know the right people and are willing to ignore a couple laws. I'm not. Bummer.


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[Assistant] If your nerves need that, that, that source of like calming so bad that you just light up a cigarette, but you ever, you ever like smoking a blunt and then you end up doing something totally out of the ordinary to be smoking a blunt during?


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[Assistant] Like you really fully, you're supposed to be chilling. She was not chilling. She was driving around drunk as fuck, hitting people.


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[Assistant] So much shit you take for granted that you can do. Like for instance, you're an adult. You can just fuck a girl. Your girlfriend, a girl you just met, whatever. You can just have sex.


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[Assistant] When I was in high school, holy shit, me and my girlfriend wanted to just fuck all, like, hook up all the time, whatever, and my parents were not making it easy.


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[Assistant] We take it for granted how great being an adult is. Like think about this, think about this. You could go to a strip club any given night of the week.


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[Assistant] Spend whatever, like 50 bucks, 100 bucks. You gotta spend a little bit of money, but like, if you were a little kid and you were telling your 14 year old self, like, you could just go to the strip club, bro. You could just be in there. You could be feeling on all kinds of augmented asses, bro.


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[Assistant] I take it for granted that I didn't have the opportunity to truly wild out and I forget that a lot of times when I'm interviewing a younger person.


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[Assistant] You forget like how much shit they saw at such a young age and how fucking insane it must be to go through that when you have so little life experience. That's how you feel about your career arc early on?


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[Assistant] You wanna know the first time I ever heard about you?


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[Assistant] This is actually a really weird way to fucking hear about you, but, and this is when I was still on the east coast, I believe.


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[Assistant] He's an old head. He wasn't ready for the new age. He probably is even more so.


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[Assistant] Right. I mean, I've heard his friends actually say that about him, that he's the type of person who will just hate relentlessly on whatever the trend is or whatever the new shit is. But he don't really, he's not really hating on it, he's just hating on it because he's not up on it yet.


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[Assistant] Definitely. We gotta get, right now, right here, we gotta get like the full story of where KC Veggies came from, the come up, the whole story. Cause you got a very interesting vantage point on a lot of important shit that has happened, uh, in this wild ass LA rap scene.


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[Assistant] Did you, when did you start to like, realize that this was huge and that this was going way beyond


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[Assistant] You know, anything that you would ever be able to normally expect, like a kid in high school, to be able to be a part of.


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[Assistant] To still be in high school is still to be on that level.


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[Assistant] I mean, did your dad understand that you had just had a meeting with Jay-Z that that was a pretty big deal?


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[Assistant] Was that the vibe in your crew at that time that you guys were like the dudes who were making the foul ass jokes and all the wild shit and all the ridiculous shit that like other people wouldn't do?


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[Assistant] Cause like that whole era of like you guys Odd Future all coming out of LA was like the first time that we saw like cool kids coming up who were rapping and also could like skate and were super familiar with that culture.


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[Assistant] You would never have somebody like TK coming out who was like this ill ass skater who was basically a rapper. You know he was rapping and shit but he just seemed like a rapper.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Like that was all rap could be to a certain extent. Like obviously you had Tribe, you had like all kinds of stuff, but for a large part, you know, you weren't used to hearing anything coming out of LA that wasn't gangster rap.


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[Assistant] I felt like that was a time period where it first started to really become cool in rap to have like a really diverse set of knowledge about all the shit that was going on, you know, all these different types of music. Maybe nobody had ever really like made that seem like it was important or cool before that. It was like a weird change in culture.


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[Assistant] You feel like you were always destined to go in a different direction musically? Like you were always gonna go against the typical shit that was out in terms of like a lot of stuff now. It's like it don't even sound like hip hop unless it got 808s on it, right?


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[Assistant] Integral decision you have to make as an artist is how much you want to go along with the status quo versus just fully being yourself.


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[Assistant] And he's like telling me how bad backwoods are for me and shit. I'm sitting there thinking like, fuck, he gave me so much raw shit.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I think he would disagree. I think he'd say it's all tobacco, it's all the same shit.


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[Assistant] I like it, honestly. It gives you a weird ass head high though. It'll put me fucking making me want to take a nap. That fucking tobacco smashing you in the face. Especially because a lot of people in the UK are all like, they're 90% tobacco in that shit.


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[Assistant] I got Lisa Simpson on one side, and then I got, it says the come up. That's the knife right there. Yeaah, it's a knife.


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[Assistant] You should get your whole face just all vegetables.


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[Assistant] What about, uh, what about Epic? That was who you were with before, right?


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[Assistant] What do you think, compare like being a rapper, like a new rapper right now, from what you could gather to like, what it was like being a new dope rapper in 2011. It's, it's, a lot has changed.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of different people actually over like a period of time like those early 2010 type era where a lot of people were getting signed and like coming out in ways that we had never seen before, you know?


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[Assistant] 2011 was a crazy ass time because that was like CDs were over. But then streaming world hadn't like fully developed yet. So it's like you were, people were really listening to music on MySpace and on blogs and shit. And it just like.


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[Assistant] You know, that, that, certain people I talked to, like, I was interviewing, fucking, Ice Burgundy comes to mind, and he was mentioning, he's like, yeah, like, I came out, but when I was poppin', was when the labels weren't really throwing checks at people and shit, because it was in between, it was when artists, even if you were poppin', weren't really making any money.


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[Assistant] When you come to this area, the trip you out, I imagine you probably spent a lot of time on Melrose and Fairfax and shit back 2011 area.


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[Assistant] How do you view like the state of LA hip-hop specifically these days? Cause it feels like, and I realize I'm partisan cause I'm out here and I'm more familiar with all these artists and shit, but it feels like there's like a wave.


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[Assistant] That is way bigger than anything we've seen in a long time in terms of like LA.


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[Assistant] Okay, let's do Mac Miller because I know you're super close with him. What, uh, how did you guys actually meet?


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[Assistant] It must have been trippy to just be around his fanbase at like mad colleges and all these like white kids and shit like.


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[Assistant] Did you kind of lose touch with him in terms of like talking on a real consistent basis?


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[Assistant] Do you think, cause I mean, I've heard people try to act like Mac was in like a bad place mentally, which people are always gonna try to make it out like that when something, when you pass, you know, or not always, but when it's...


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[Assistant] It seems drug related. People are always going to make it like you were depressed or whatever. And then I also heard people say he was fine. Like he was doing great. He just probably got some shit that wasn't what he thought it was. And that, you know, he just got unlucky.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sad. Uhm, do you go to the funeral and shit like that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, was it kind of, did it have any like real effect on you when it passed? Like where was your mind at when you heard that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you seem like you always kind of avoided like a lot of the bad stuff in life. You always, you just have a good head on your shoulders? Who do you thank for that? Your parents?


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[Assistant] He's super dope. Oh yea, that's crazy. Uhm, as long as we're just talking about famous friends of yours, is it crazy to see all this shit that happened to Kendrick? What was it like when you met him?


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[Assistant] I know this tattoo artist that told me that he tattoos Kendrick and then Kendrick just rolls through with one dude like super low key.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Did you sort of lose touch with Tyler over the years?


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[Assistant] But like that video that Khaled made where he was talking about like mysterious music and shit like, I could just imagine Tyler thinking that that was the funniest, craziest shit on earth.


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[Assistant] Where's your head at in terms of your music these days? Like what do you, what motivates you? Do you ever have a hard time staying motivated in the game just having been around for so long?


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[Assistant] What's, what's your read on like the overall state of rap these days though? Do you think, like are you feeling where rap seems like it's at? Do you feel like?


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[Assistant] Do you, uh, who do you feel like your fan base is these days, or who do you mostly hear from in terms of the people listening to your shit? I was watching your Sway, uh, freestyle, which was pretty rad actually the other day, but they were taking calls and it was fucking wild hearing how fucking geeked up some of your fans were.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Do you, uh, are you still all about going on tour and shit? You were just talking about being on tour with Chris Brown.


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[Assistant] Oh shit. What's the day in the life of your ass like these days?


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[Assistant] Yo, if I ever find my- That's why I can't drink lean, bro. If I drink lean, I'm eating McDonald's.


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[Assistant] Alright, so what's the game plan? What do you want people to be paying attention for? Where should they look to find out about what you got going on?


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[Assistant] For sure. Hey, I appreciate you coming on the show, man. It was dope, uh, dope getting to connect and shit, dope to get to, you know, have a historical record of an important LA figure.


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[Assistant] No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, Soundcloud, and iTunes. Wow, KC Veggies.


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[Assistant] No, I know Boo was trying to be funny, but that's absolutely like, like crazy. Of course she trained us to find digs.


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[Assistant] I mean, it definitely did not improve when he found out about my job because my sister is also a cam model, so it's kind of like a one-two punch. Uh, funny enough, uh, it was on Father's Day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, I don't see him that much, so it was either tell him on Father's Day or wait until Christmas.


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[Assistant] I think he was, it was kind of one of those things where you just don't want to ask the question, like, how the fuck is my daughter living in the nicest apartment?


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[Assistant] I told him. I said, you know, I'm a cam model and my sister does it too. And he, his initial response was that he convinced himself my boyfriend was forcing me to do it.


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[Assistant] Hey, we think that your boyfriend is forcing you, are you okay?


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[Assistant] This is definitely not something, I know you're trying to glamorize it, because I was traveling all over the country, I had just made like five figures that month, so it was kinda like...


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[Assistant] Uh, my brother and sister stopped talking to me when he found out and I haven't talked to them in four years. I actually just sent my brother a text message like yesterday saying yo.


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[Assistant] No you didn't, it sucks, but I'm just gonna, I'll keep reaching out every now and then, you know, I'm just gonna focus on myself. He'll, I'm sure he hears my name every now and then out there, hopefully it's not in the porn world, it's more like interviews and stuff, cause I know it's gotta be weird, I know it's uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] I don't think that it was like the healthiest, most open sexual environment, you know, like I think most people are kind of raised like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly, and it's like, the one thing we're all, we all have in common, right? We all came from a vagina.


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[Assistant] No, they were like married together. It was super traditional and vanilla, I'm sure.


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[Assistant] Uh, Cottonwood, Arizona, it's like near Sedona, Arizona. I don't know if you know that place.


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[Assistant] So instead of like a giant hole, it's like a bunch of really giant cool looking red mountain ranges.


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[Assistant] Yeah, now we smoked some THCA crystals before I came here.


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[Assistant] It's just, I've been smoking out of the puffco thingy, so like, it seems like that leaves the least amount of residue when I'm done, so it seems the cleanest.


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[Assistant] I'll, I'll smoke whatever, whatever's been in front of me. Oh, okay. As long as it's weed.


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[Assistant] You know, gateway drug. Nah, just weed. It's mostly weed.


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[Assistant] So, you know, cheerleading, football, I was in drama also, so I guess I was kinda weird.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean I do what I like. I liked getting attention from people for being a cheerleader and acting is fun.


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[Assistant] I consider myself a sexual performance artist now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've definitely, I don't know, I've grown a lot as a person in the past 10 years and then mostly in the past year, so it's, it's good. I like being an adult. I like growing up. I don't know why there's so much fucking shame and stigma around getting older.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and like not giving a fuck what other people think is like essential to living a happy life, I think.


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[Assistant] Especially in like the world we are in, you're gonna listen to like thousands of people, drive yourself crazy.


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[Assistant] Really obsessed with controlling everybody else's behavior. And I think I was kind of going down that path, you know?


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[Assistant] I, I, it's hard because sometimes, you know, sometimes people aren't going to change and


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[Assistant] Like the answer for him I think really was just like not letting him be around people so he can't do that to them anymore. Because it was kind of just like one of those Harvey Weinstein type things in our industry where everybody knew about him and I was told to my face multiple times like that's just what Ron Jeremy does.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's unsanitary and it's gonna make that person feel really uncomfortable and like, you just, you just shouldn't. I think that he, he had been allowed to do it for so long that it was just, it was normal to him. And so I don't think he saw anything wrong with it. And I think that there's amazing porn stars out there who don't do that. And so like,


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[Assistant] Why are we gonna keep this one dude? And he wasn't just doing it to porn stars. Like if he did a signing at a sex toy store, he would do it to, you know, civilians.


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[Assistant] Well, I was told that, so I made that YouTube video, I was told by someone, uhm, that they sat him down and made him watch the YouTube video, and there's...


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[Assistant] You know, sexual assault, I believe is happening in that. And he was saying, you know, I don't think anything's wrong. And so they couldn't guarantee that if they had him at expos in the future, that he would not do it anymore. And so that's still like, I think that's the consensus right now is that he, he still doesn't think he did anything wrong. And I think that,


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[Assistant] We gotta give people the ability to change, but if they're gonna blatantly be like, nah, I'm not fucking doing anything wrong, like...


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[Assistant] I'm like the Ron Jeremy police, so apparently, no, I'm not, I don't wanna be that, but anytime he gets a job, people like wanna tag me. I wish I could have a conversation with him. It's, it's hard for me because I think that uncomfortable conversations is how you actually progress as a society.


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[Assistant] And now as I'm fuckin' a lot older, that was three years ago.


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[Assistant] Maybe I would ask to have a conversation with them first before I would make that video. And that's always my approach now is to have an uncomfortable conversation. If I have the ability to talk with that person, try and talk with them or have the people close with them that they respect maybe see where these other people are coming from. But I think that


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[Assistant] Cause I try and think about where the, the things that I've changed my opinion on and how people got me to change my opinion and the process they went through and it was never trying to control me and force me to do something. It was always getting me to realize on my own, maybe I don't want to do that or maybe that thing that I'm thinking is wrong or my opinion is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, I'm lucky to have, be able to have conversations with people like this though. So I try to use that privilege, dare I say, to like change things in that regard rather than.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it just seems like you're not really living your life for yourself. And so I'm trying to, I'm trying to live my life for myself and change things that way, not like being obsessed over other people's behavior.


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[Assistant] Don't we all forget that we're all human and I've been put in positions and things have been said about me that are terrible. Like, literally tweets are going out about me that say I let someone get raped on set for clout. That was one of the last things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, uh, I don't think that's what happened. My perspective is something totally different and I think there's a difference between predators going out there and intentionally, uh, violating the consent of people and, you know,


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[Assistant] It unintentionally happening when people can still get hurt that way. I think it's important to realize people can still get hurt even if it was unintentional and you need to be able to let that person apologize and admit that mistake and we're not creating that environment.


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[Assistant] You know, like we're creating an environment where people are never gonna admit that they did anything wrong.


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[Assistant] And so I think it's really important to distinguish between those two things, because I've done things in the past that I regret, you know, and so I think it's a...


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[Assistant] We just can't, you gotta talk to people one on one, you gotta see them as a human, and I'm not gonna believe anything I read online without talking to the person first or without doing more research as much as I can.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of people have been talking about how it's improving a lot drastically in the industry. Like consent talks or having consent talks wasn't even like a thing that people even wanted to talk about. And Kink is one of the companies, I guess they've been doing it for a while, but they just released their protocols to every other studio to be like, this is what we do.