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[Assistant] To sprinkle around to bums that may get open in the part of the season. So what about when he throws the deep, when he does his thing where he eludes the sack and chucks it deep to mark he's good one like he will. Well, that's three. So I got an extra 6,000. Let me put him down for 3, 3.35 for Titus. 3.35. Boom. The kid they drafted whose name I can't think of. So now I gave him 3.35.


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[Assistant] Harrison Brown, 86 yards, and Schwartz will be on the street, but nevermind, David Bell will get a couple of yo' yards. As you can see, the integrity, the sheet of integrity is looking good.


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[Assistant] I mean, it took us all, it took us about eight games to see two running backs on the field at the same time, so I highly doubt it. Three mobile quarter, three mobile quarterbacks and their packages called the Civil Rights Movement. Civil Rights Movement!


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[Assistant] So you know, you know, typically on contract years, you know, you know what I'm saying? They drafted five linemen. They got dudes like, I'm just saying. Why? He's not auditioning for the Browns. He's auditioning for 31 of those teams. There it is. I like that pressure. Obviously, he can't put that on tape no more. Look, him and Perry, I don't think we need to get a room together in camp. And they need to tell themselves


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[Assistant] Whoa, whoa, as a, as a former Buckeye, he already get dibs. He got top bunk dibs off of dribs.


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[Assistant] That Jacobi Brissette fake snap fade in the back end zone off the bench move. He just got Stefanski's playbook bro. Stefanski's, I'll give him credit bro. I ain't never seen no tight end reverse.


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[Assistant] If it would have worked, you would have loved it. If, if, if Amari Cooper would have dropped that dime on that pass, we would be, we'd be singing his praises. Bro, he...


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[Assistant] No, it's actually Odell. In Odell. Matter of fact, Odell and Jarvis Landry. Odell be throwing dimes. Jarvis throw dimes. I'm like, he threw that on the run and he left-handed. I'm like, dang, that's crazy. But yea, Stefanski, that,


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[Assistant] He does trick plays. I will say this. He's aggressive. Um, by the way, you're going to see him. Y'all going to be upset this year. He's going to be going for it all the time. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Every time. Every eagle, every, what the Eagles did last year, every team should go for them for the one. Of course. Cause you can't really stop that. You can't really stop that at all. Like, especially if you got a mobile quarterback in the night. Put the one in the, put the one in there somewhere.


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[Assistant] They was thinking about it, but they said that they'd let it go. Yeaah. Well, you better get these dudes in fourth to three then. Fourth and inches.


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[Assistant] They should, if Dewine Jones have the ability to run, they should do what the 49ers do with Trent Williams.


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[Assistant] Put him in mo- put him in motion and let him be the lead blocker and just blow some kill to whoever is-


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[Assistant] I'm trying to set the edge. It's really, it's really cheating and it's really a violent game. A late draft pick compared to Trent Williams. He's a project. All he got to do is get in the way. See, if DeWine Jones, think about it, 90% of the time, if they out a nickel or something like that, that's a, that's a Sam linebacker or a nickel. All he got to do is run at him and make him pick somewhere.


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[Assistant] See the guardians do this stuff to y'all and y'all eat it up every single time. These dudes are master communicators and I would say master manipulators because what they do is they do such a good job of selling you why they can't do it.


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[Assistant] This organization does not value hitting. They don't. It's in the, it's in the pudding. If you look at Bo Naila, what he's doing.


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[Assistant] At Bull knows this, if you get in a, if you, why you think Carlos Santana stuck around in the league? If you get a catcher that has power and can put runs on the board, that is a diamond.


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[Assistant] And so, and so the thought process that they're not gonna bring him up is because they're being cautious is a lie. They're doing it because the ownership at the top says, oh no.


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[Assistant] But then they have a backlog of so many people that they've been hoarding at their house that they gotta let the young guys go free.


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[Assistant] Everyone else said nay. I hope you guys are right. I hope so too, but there's not a chance. Not a chance, not a chance, you know what.


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[Assistant] To who? Trade to who? Who they gon' get? Yea, like, who we gon' want? Like, this is the exercise I be doin' every single day, right?


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[Assistant] He can't go to the left, man. Are you kidding me? I can go to my left.


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[Assistant] You're on it. You're a better defender. Thank you. Okay, one thing. I mean, you know.


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[Assistant] What does, what does Yokey's do better than Yannis? Pass, shoot, shoot, pass, score. Yannis passes. Not like that.


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[Assistant] Listen, so if Yanis decides to dish the ball just a couple more times, he'd be, it's not even close. By the way, this dude averaged a triple double though. No, he don't.


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[Assistant] And let's not act like me. And he smoked greats. Devin Booker, uh, uh, uh, uh, your boy, uh, K.D. smoked. LeBron James, uh, A.D. swept, swept, swept LeBron A.D.


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[Assistant] See, see, this is the problem, McNuggets. When you give away, this is the problem with why you, when you give away three first round picks and you have no- Which, which I was-


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[Assistant] They got Jokic, they diamond in the rough, they finding guys, they drafting guys, they plucking already, so you gotta get to that point.


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[Assistant] And they just retooling. They got pics and everything. They can move people around. And you, like, you got three people that you can count on in the cast.


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[Assistant] I think he'll be, I think he'll be on the team, I think he'll be on the team, at the beginning of the year he may be going by the headline.


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[Assistant] I mean, I, I would, I always ask, like, you know, would you make a...


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[Assistant] They say, would you make a trade? Would you take Damien Lillard? Would you trade?


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[Assistant] Would you trade Garland to the Trailblazer for Damian Lillard and Pix?


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[Assistant] Would I trade Darius Garland to, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for


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[Assistant] Because it's a contract that they can't move. They're not gonna get nothing. That's the best they gonna get for Dame Lillard. Another guard to replace him? Ain't nobody knocking on his door?


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[Assistant] We're giving you a guard under contract in his prime. I mean, I would take, I would definitely, I would make the trade, but yeaah. Your clock has been accelerated. Oh, of course, but I'm going to, I'm going to tell you. I just don't think porn will do that. The hope is, guess what? You get him, you got Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] You gotta win a championship this year. How does that change?


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[Assistant] He is. He don't care about none of them dudes. Yeah. And Donovan Mitchell would go to be in the number two. Sure would. Immediately. He ain't got no choice. Now you got Mobley, you're like, okay Mo, think about it. Now you got Mobley and you like work on your game. You got a number one pick. I don't know if you're going to get some for it, but you do have that number one pick.


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[Assistant] Oh hell no, get me, get, get, get Portland on the fall.


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[Assistant] You know, I always tell people, man, look, we good. United States is, we are a walking contradiction. We just, that is just is what it is, bro. And anytime you get over a certain amount of bread,


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[Assistant] They gon', look, they gon' get you. Like, look, once you, like, after you make a certain amount of money, bro,


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[Assistant] It's a lot of stuff off limits. It's like dang, but a lot of dudes don't understand that. Cause usually, and we gotta think about this, your earning power as a person


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[Assistant] Don't even really start in this society, till you almost say you're 40.


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[Assistant] Like you could be mid thirties, early forties before you start to even see the type of money where you could say, oh, this is making, this is making a difference in my life. So he got generational money. It's unfathomable how much millions of dollars is. You could touch every cent that you got in your bank account. I could go to my bank account and say, I want all my money.


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[Assistant] Do you imagine having that much money, you 18, 19, 20, and you can't go to the bank and ask for all your money? It's imaginary at that point. So now, he don't even understand real consequences like, okay, it's, I mean, did I really even earn it? You gotta think about that too. Like, he was doing everything he was doing basketball wise. And Nike came and gave him this deal. In his mind,


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[Assistant] Did you have to dig a ditch for it? Did you have to like put 40 hours? Did you have to paint buildings? Do you have to do manual labor? No. They just gave it to him. So what, what really ended his life? How could he really appreciate that? He didn't work for it really. So when they take it,


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[Assistant] When you see them commas move though, that hurts your soul. That hurts your feelings. You gotta, if you want a sad disabled, if you want change, you gotta, you gotta make him feel it, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Once you see that you missing out on some money.


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[Assistant] You know, you know, they always, uh, you get a little older. Hey, by the way, we can't blame him. Think about, think about how many


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[Assistant] Really top dudes got in trouble. Tiger Woods scandal. Michael Jordan had scandals. Charles Barkley. Everybody has them. A Rod had scandals. Like Roger Clemens. All these different types of names. Name me Zion Williams. Zion Williams has taken an L every week.


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[Assistant] Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson. Pac-Man Jones. I could keep going. John Watson. It happens to all of them. O.J. Simpson. Jim Brown. Dang, dawg. You know what it didn't happen to? Who? John is on to Takunko. Not yet. And Derek Jeter. Derek Jeter. I don't know what


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[Assistant] He, he has, he, what he got with Warren Buffett, he gave him all his, all his secret service guys.


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[Assistant] I think the Cavs gonna be like, we just need the sixth seed. We just need to not be in the play. The Cavs, the Cavs, let's be clear and stop. We gonna, we gonna cut the Kool-Aid.


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[Assistant] The Cavs really, if you had a series between the Cavs and the Hawks, I'm picking the Hawks. They don't play well against Hawks. They never beat the Hawks. They're not, they might not be better than Brooklyn next year. Let's be clear. Brooklyn played way better than the Cavs played against the Sixers.


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[Assistant] In the playoffs, let me tell you this, watch this.


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[Assistant] The Cavs get smoked by the Raptors. They lost 3 to 1 in the Raptors. By the way, they're not good against the Sixers. You know what they do against Boston, they're not better than them. The Knicks got their card. Who are the Cavs truly head and shoulders above better than anybody?


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[Assistant] So, the reason I picked them is because here's the thing.


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[Assistant] And they didn't even have, they, Porter played terrible in that series. They didn't even have, they wasn't even really like hitting that all cylinders. It wasn't like they were just like a perfect storm.


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[Assistant] W-w-w-w-where? Cavs and 7 next year. 2K?


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[Assistant] You heard her here first. If not the Cavs, Bucks and Six.


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[Assistant] I, I, I love he said it with the first straight face, but I only give it about a 25% chance.


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[Assistant] Do you know what the father's doing? The father is trying to get him.


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[Assistant] I tell you what, more people will tune in to watch his stuff now that this happened. So it works.


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[Assistant] He brought what he did with his broad attention to his kid. Now before that came out, would you have ever watched baby girl? No, you already did.


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[Assistant] There used to be gatekeepers, right? Gatekeepers told you what you were supposed to watch. When people stopped watching cable television and people started getting on the internet, people realized that I could say certain things.


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[Assistant] And I could just get this money. So let me just always bring it back home. There's a, there's a councilman.


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[Assistant] And, uh, in New York, you know, the guy that lied about everything, George Santos, he lied about everything. Just come back and he walks in Congress and nobody says.


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[Assistant] They got drafted. Second, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who,


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[Assistant] I'll give you, I'll give you this. The Kardashians, I mean they, you know. Thanks to Ray J. Hold on, put that back. By the way, this is crazy. Thank you for bringing that up. We did it over time. Do you understand Kim Kardashian, one tape,


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[Assistant] Made her whole entire family billionaires.


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[Assistant] But I get that. But what I'm saying is, her mother is her manager.


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[Assistant] It shouldn't be at all, actually. I don't like the fact that he called them baddies. Like, I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna have massages by baddies or whatever the case may be. But here's the thing, I'm over the top. I wouldn't let my, if I had a child actor...


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[Assistant] Let me, let me, let me give y'all this. Who's paying them big time money? So, so, so let me give you this. So basically there's, I'm just, see the internet, see I grew up on the internet, so I'll tell you how much these losers make you. Once upon a time, your mother or father said you would be a loser if, if you play video games. People who play video games now for a living are millionaires.


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[Assistant] They are, they are a few guys. No, no, no, no, no, there's hundreds of people, hundreds of kids. How many that want to play? But here's what I'm saying. It's possible. Like, like, of course it's possible. So there's a kid named destroying who was a kicker, right? He's like, yo, I want to make it really bad.


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[Assistant] He's a, he's a kicker. He was just be a kicker at University of Central Florida. So he wanted to really be good and he really, so he did all these things about showing, going to camps and kicking and whatever. So he stumbles across. He's like, nah, but I'm an athlete too. I run routes. So he started a YouTube channel about


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[Assistant] One-on-one route. So with DBs and going against... Then he started doing these things around local people. To put it in perspective...


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[Assistant] Destroying makes more, doing these videos, than every kicker in the NFL. His net worth is 3 million dollars. All he does is videos.


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[Assistant] People, because the internet is non-traditional, because the internet is all about what you say and how crazy it is, you gotta understand, it's a trickle-down theory. People that are the highest levels of our society are exploiting this same technique.


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[Assistant] Because I'm a type of person that I'm not gonna use my kids. The thing is this.


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[Assistant] I wanna hear the pie, I need to know if the dad is actually on the pie giving the answer. Let's be clear, like all around the world, you know, my wife comes from the Philippines, right?


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[Assistant] In the Philippines, people say why in certain third world countries do you have, there's so many people have so many kids, why do so many families have, she has ten brothers and sisters, right? So she had this huge farm, they live in the middle of wilderness, they plant crops for their livelihood. So you can either have one kid,


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[Assistant] And then you're not going to be able to clean no crops. You can have two kids and maybe by the time they're older you can have some help if you do have a boy that can help you out.


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[Assistant] So, you have so many kids because you need help.


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[Assistant] So when you look at it, you're like, okay, technically, if I'm having kids to help me do my job or tend my land, that is exploitation. You're having kids to come help you. You need help. So, but at the end of the day, would I rather


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[Assistant] Have my kid be doing YouTube videos or planting crops for the rest of their lives just to help their father? I take the YouTube videos.


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[Assistant] The kid is 10, right? So in 8 years we should hear, what is his government name?


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[Assistant] Dictate whether or not he gets any NIL money or is it you just gotta be good.


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[Assistant] So that's funny that that's come up. What I've learned is that


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[Assistant] The way NIL is distributed is through your team's need and position.


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[Assistant] So pretty much everybody at that position gets it roughly around that same amount and it depends on if your team needs that. So like if Ohio State needs a center then obviously that center would make more coming in because that's an area of need. It's typically how it works. It doesn't really go off of


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[Assistant] The, the, uh, stars, like I thought. I thought it was like if you're a five star, you get in the bag. But it's really, it depends on the area of need that that university that he's attending, if they need him, then they can pay him that much.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's a crazy way to look at it.


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[Assistant] Like I said, but obviously once you get there and you make plays, if your social media is booming, then you'll obviously more people, more companies, more businesses, more do business with you. So obviously this father, you know, he's doing it on one side of the ledger. But I will, I will give you this. As far as I know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, they won't, they won't, they won't, they won't like it. Like after, like I told people, I was like, if I have a kid, they just be healthy. Cause at the end of the day, you can't be. And you can't live your life through your kid. You can't look for your dreams, you know. But he, but what I will say is this, some people will say,


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[Assistant] Right, he's giving, if you tell him this is promotion and you gonna have to work hard, what are we talking about is just this is, this is theater. But what you need to do is you need to work hard, save your money, do it. Now is he doing that?


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[Assistant] Don, you talk about the material. I've always found this fascinating when you're talking about different comedians.


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[Assistant] How do you, how do you put together your set? Like, are you writing? Do you go to different places? Do you sit at a Starbucks and jot something down in a napkin and you keep it back in your head and then maybe you're walking to Walmart with the groceries. So you're like, okay, I got something to go up after that.


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[Assistant] How do you piece together your stuff and are you always constantly looking for material and writing?


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[Assistant] I'm kind of particularly to be a stalker. You would have saw me.


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[Assistant] Who is your go to person or people that you like test the joke out on before you present it to the audience?


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[Assistant] What do you feel about censorship? Like there was always a point in time where


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[Assistant] We all gave comedians a certain level of leeway, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, it's, it's almost like even, even when it used to come before kings back in the day, they would just give you like bring me the town fool and they would bring in and they would do all kinds of things. Right. And it was nothing off limits. He could just, you know, fall off a horse. He could do impressions. Now it just seems like.


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[Assistant] They water it down where it's like even now comedians, when you're doing satire, there's certain things you can't go to or certain things you can't say. And it's always cringeworthy when I have to see one of my favorite comedians or somebody that's really funny apologize for being funny.


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[Assistant] Washington streets are quiet. Tense.


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[Assistant] New members of Congress should be settling into their offices. But instead, furniture is stacked in doorways.


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[Assistant] It's hard to believe that just yesterday these halls were flooded with pro-Trump rioters. And that today, four people are dead.


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[Assistant] This is how the Trump presidency ends. It's shocking, yet there had also been warning signs. I wonder, what form will these violent energies take now? To find an answer, I feel like I have to go back to the beginning.


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[Assistant] If the Trump presidency ended with an insurrection at the Capitol, for me, it began here, in Charlottesville, Virginia, waiting on a darkened campus for the torches to arrive.


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[Assistant] I've been reporting on the rise in hate crimes and America's resurgent white supremacist movement. And that led me here.


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[Assistant] White supremacists out in the open, unafraid, and soon, violent.


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[Assistant] Alongside the neo-Nazis and white nationalists were militias and members of a group we would all come to know. The Proud Boys.


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[Assistant] Is the person who's been prosecuted for Heather's murder. In your mind, is he the only person who should be held accountable?


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[Assistant] At the time, Trump had only been president for seven months.


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[Assistant] But his response set the tone for the next three years, and many on the far right took his words as a sign of support.


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[Assistant] My colleagues and I matched our footage with images of from far right rallies across the country. We gained access to encrypted chat logs and developed sources inside extremist networks.


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[Assistant] Our reporting led us to groups that had been in Charlottesville, including the Rise Above Movement, or RAM, a white power fight club.


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[Assistant] He had a government security clearance and worked for the defense contractor in Northrop Grumman.


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[Assistant] As we looked further, we found other white supremacists and neo-Nazis with ties to the military. Some of them on active duty.


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[Assistant] It was a problem that would continue to grow in the coming years despite calls to root it out.


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[Assistant] Keith Ellison, then a congressman from Minnesota, had seen our reporting and wrote to the Pentagon demanding it take action.


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[Assistant] The DOD eventually told Ellison it had investigated the people we'd ID'd and had fired or disciplined 18 service members.


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[Assistant] A year after Charlottesville, the spotlight was on.


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[Assistant] It felt like our reporting had helped to expose some of the most dangerous figures in the white supremacist scene. I began receiving death threats.


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[Assistant] Even as the group splintered, changed their names, and were hit with lawsuits.


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[Assistant] But that march in Portland would be the last I'd see of the Proud Boys for a while. I was drawn away to other stories.


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[Assistant] There was the attack on the Tree of Life Synagogue in October 2018 that left 11 Jewish worshipers dead.


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[Assistant] But then in January, 2020, something different caught my eye. A rally in Richmond, Virginia.


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[Assistant] 22,000 people turned out to protest the state's new gun laws.


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[Assistant] Megan Squire tracked the decline of far-right groups after Charlottesville.


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[Assistant] Some, like the proud boys, survived and grew.


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[Assistant] Examining 8,000 Facebook accounts affiliated with the Proud Boys, Squire found that many Proud Boys also belonged to white supremacist or fascist groups. In Squire's research, one individual stands out, Brian James, the leader of the Indiana chapter of the Proud Boys.


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[Assistant] He's been involved with some of the most extreme movements of the last three decades. The Clan.


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[Assistant] In 2003, he became the leader of his own gang called the Vinlander Social Club.


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[Assistant] I pull court records in Indiana I don't find any cases for James.


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[Assistant] But members of his gang have been convicted in a string of beatings and homicides.


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[Assistant] Most of them go out of their way to express remorse for the people they've harmed, the things that they've done. I don't hear a lot of that from James.


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[Assistant] But James was there in Charlottesville at Unite the Right.


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[Assistant] Marching alongside Nazis and white nationalists.


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[Assistant] I ask him why, as a man who had supposedly abandoned the white power movement, he was so willing to work with a vowed racist.


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[Assistant] But he does spend a lot of time talking about his new ideology, which he calls civic nationalism, a label adopted by many proud boys.


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[Assistant] James tells me that by focusing on political enemies instead of racial ones, he'd gained more support.


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[Assistant] He'd also found a powerful new ally in Trump.


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[Assistant] After my conversation with Brian James, I check in with a long time source of mine, Pete Simi.


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[Assistant] See me help me understand Ram and the other groups in Charlottesville.


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[Assistant] Simi says that while the Proud Boys may have worked hard to push into the mainstream, many still subscribe to extremist beliefs.


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[Assistant] And so he's flying Proud Boys colors and these clearly neo-Nazi ideas here.


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[Assistant] In the summer of 2020, I watched as President Trump rallied that movement.


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[Assistant] One incident in particular would be blamed on Antifa and would become a target of the president's rage.


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[Assistant] A drive-by shooting in May at the Oakland Federal Building.


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[Assistant] The shooting was nothing like the street violence I'd been seeing, and I started looking into it. I went to see Officer Underwood's sister.


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[Assistant] Security cameras tracked a white van moving through the darkened streets of Oakland.


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[Assistant] The door slid open and a gunman opened fire on a guard post in front of the federal building.


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[Assistant] But the man arrested by law enforcement didn't end up being Antifa.


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[Assistant] His name was Steven Carrillo, a 32 year old Air Force Staff Sergeant. He represented a new and deadly wave of far-right violence.


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[Assistant] Catherine Heard is part of a team at the UC Berkeley Investigative Reporting Program. We've been working with them on this story.


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[Assistant] Here in the woods of Santa Cruz County, some 80 miles away, a worker made a startling discovery.


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[Assistant] After fatally shooting Sergeant Damon Gutswiller, law enforcement says that Carrillo escaped in a stolen car. He later abandoned the vehicle and continued on foot.


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[Assistant] Gisela Perez de Aches, one of our reporting partners at UC Berkeley. Creo spoke to her from jail where he's awaiting trial. She is the only journalist to have interviewed him.


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[Assistant] Creo has pleaded not guilty, and he wouldn't answer questions about the shootings.


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[Assistant] So do you think that he's saying that he found these radical ideas in the military?


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[Assistant] Once again, just as after Charlottesville, I was seeing an extremist inside the military. And based on the Berkeley team's reporting, Korea was far from alone.


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[Assistant] Like Carrillo, eight of them served in the Air Force Security Branch.


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[Assistant] I kept reporting on the movement, trying to figure out its reach and capabilities.


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[Assistant] Outwardly, they're quirky. Hawaiian shirts, igloo patches, and ironic memes. Their ideology is all over the map.


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[Assistant] I find a Boogaloo Telegram channel filled with neo-Nazi propaganda and another one with statements denouncing systemic racism.


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[Assistant] But there is one unifying idea. The desire for a violent insurrection.


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[Assistant] In our reporting, we found more than a dozen men linked to the movement who'd been arrested on weapons or explosives charges.


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[Assistant] Another, Ivan Hunter, was charged for shooting up a police precinct in Minneapolis. He pleaded not guilty, but court records show an online chat between Hunter and Stephen Carrillo. Go for police buildings, Hunter says.


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[Assistant] Krio responds, just hours after the killing of the federal officer in Oakland. I did better. LOL.


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[Assistant] This episode, uploaded four weeks before Officer Underwood was gunned down in Oakland, gleefully advocates drive-by shootings.


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[Assistant] I don't know if Stephen Creo ever heard Flintlock Faction, but the similarities between the podcast and the shootings in Oakland are haunting. I tried to speak with the FBI about the Creo case. The Bureau won't talk.


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[Assistant] But John Bennett, a recently retired agent who oversaw the investigation, agrees to meet with me. He tells me he's become increasingly concerned about the Boogaloo Boys.


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[Assistant] 50 protesters show up. They have body armor, assault rifles, and outlawed high capacity magazines.


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[Assistant] But this doesn't look like a group that's going to lead a violent insurrection. I can see the threat they pose though.


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[Assistant] But I've been told that their concerns were rejected by the White House.


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[Assistant] Elizabeth Newman was one of the top counter-terrorism officials in the Trump administration. She says she tried to warn the White House about the rising threat of far-right extremists. But the president and his allies claim the real threat was from Black Lives Matter and Antifa.


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[Assistant] Police and federal agents arrested 14 militia members and charged them in connection with a plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, try her in their own court, and potentially execute her for treason.


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[Assistant] Their social media is full of boogaloo iconography.


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[Assistant] Among the people arrested for the kidnapping plot were Joe Morrison and his father-in-law, Pete Musico, the founders of the Wolverine Watchmen.


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[Assistant] Also arrested was Barry Croft, who prosecutors call probably the most committed violent extremist of the entire group.


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[Assistant] According to the FBI, some of the plotters convened secret meetings at this vacuum store in Grand Rapids.


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[Assistant] An FBI informant recorded the conversations.


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[Assistant] In one recording, a member of the group describes a plan to seize the governor from her vacation home and put her on trial. Snatch and grab, he tells the informant. Grab the governor, because at that point, it's over.


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[Assistant] Armed protesters made it into the legislators gallery and disrupted the session. Representative Sarah Anthony was there that day.


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[Assistant] Musico and his son-in-law pleaded not guilty to charges related to the kidnapping plot.


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[Assistant] The Michigan militia was once considered the nation's largest, claiming 10,000 members.


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[Assistant] She says the new generation of malicious is different.


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[Assistant] Nestle says the threat from malicious is real and has been evolving for years.


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[Assistant] A new wave of militias emerged during the Iraq War. Groups like the Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters.


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[Assistant] But they've never been accused of anything like the terror attributed to the Boogaloo and Wolverine Watchmen.


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[Assistant] The camp is deserted. Its training course with spray painted human targets is littered with spent shells.


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[Assistant] According to federal prosecutors, the watchman blew up a homemade bomb here. Neighbors tell me they heard the blast a half mile away.


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[Assistant] The bomb was allegedly built by the man prosecutors describe as one of the plot's masterminds, Barry Croft. Croft is being held in a Michigan jail.


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[Assistant] In FBI recordings, he claimed he had been granted permission from God to commit murder.


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[Assistant] I try to contact him through his lawyer, but get nowhere. And then I get an email. Croft wants to talk.


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[Assistant] And he won't talk about anything specifically related to the kidnapping plot.


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[Assistant] But he lays out arguments against the federal government as if he were before a court.


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[Assistant] In addition to his ties to the Watchmen, the FBI says he's a leader of the three percenters, a national network of militia groups.


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[Assistant] Before his arrest, Barry Croft had been in contact with the Boogaloo leader I'd seen at the rally in Richmond. Dunn is just 20 years old.


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[Assistant] And he leads one of the most visible Boogaloo chapters in the country. Dunn lives in rural Virginia.


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[Assistant] I don't buy a lot of Dunn's claims, but listening to him is unsettling. It's clear that many in the movement are connected, and they seem to be growing more radical with each new arrest.


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[Assistant] A Trump victory could further embolden the far right movements that see him as a champion. A defeat could further radicalize them.


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[Assistant] The president had been whipping up fears that the election would be stolen. And as the night wears on, with no concession speech, no declared winner, the moment seems full of danger.


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[Assistant] The next morning, with the nation on edge, I sit down with Mary McCord, a former counter-terrorism official at the U.S. Justice Department.


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[Assistant] On November 14th, one week after the election was called for Joe Biden, Trump supporters take to the streets in Washington.


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[Assistant] Inside, Congress is trying to certify the election.


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[Assistant] The morning after the attack, Congress's hallways are deserted.


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[Assistant] Carson served in a police anti-terrorism unit in Indiana.


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[Assistant] In Congress, he's a member of the House Intelligence Committee.


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[Assistant] Law enforcement agencies across the country spring into action.


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[Assistant] After Charlottesville, it took months for the FBI to build a handful of cases.


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[Assistant] I searched the list of names. Many of the individuals charged are affiliated with groups I've been tracking.


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[Assistant] An expanding pool of radicalized individuals and small groups of extremists trying to recruit them into violence.


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[Assistant] The man heading the DoD's effort on extremism in the ranks agrees to talk to me.


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[Assistant] In the past when I would ask, uh, the military branches,


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[Assistant] The Pentagon about this question. People didn't want to.


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[Assistant] I was seeing guys who were affiliated with the neo-Nazi movements, the white supremacist movements. More recently, what I seem to be seeing are guys that identify with anti-government groups, with militia groups.


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[Assistant] Two weeks after January 6th, with authorities bearing down on extremist groups, Boogaloo Boys staged rallies around the country.


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[Assistant] They charged four more people in connection to the Boogaloo-related murder case against Stephen Carrillo. According to the FBI,


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[Assistant] The group had been discussing tactics for killing police.


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[Assistant] The Proud Boys are here too, but their numbers are small.


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[Assistant] After covering these movements, it's clear they've been part of the American scene for decades.


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[Assistant] These guys were going around to all banks, really doing growth shows and saying...


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[Assistant] Here it is, we have a 2% management fee on this fund, but we give you back 1% of it if you buy the fund.


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[Assistant] Exactly, it's a way really to attract, to catch, to be very aggressive in catching new clients, yeaah.


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[Assistant] When he said Bernie Madoff, uh, my ears immediately picked up and I said, what are you talking about? Bernie's a market maker.


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[Assistant] Just the fact that Bernie Madoff was managing this much money, uhm, was a story in itself.


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[Assistant] That came as a surprise to you. That was a shock. I mean, nobody knew that.


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[Assistant] This column's a cucumber. I didn't see any sign, and usually, I mean that should have been sort of a sign to me in retrospect too, you know, any CEO that can spend two hours with you.


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[Assistant] Our economy and our markets will not recover until the bulk of this housing correction is behind us.


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[Assistant] Definitely. You know how much I love The Funny Stop. I recorded one of my comedy albums there. And this time around, it's all brand new material. So anybody who's come to see me there, no matter how many times you come, this is all new material. Uhm, it's not very good, but you haven't heard it before yet, so.


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[Assistant] You, you got all my spots down, but yeaah, it's, it really is sorta like that, you know, when a thought comes in, you jot it down or whatever, but, you know, especially with the new stuff, I gotta say, guys, you know, it's, you know, when you get up in the morning, you put the news on, and then within like 60 seconds, you're ripping the hair out of your head?


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[Assistant] It's all that, like, how do I process what's going on in the world today? Uhm, you know, all that. It's not serious stuff, you know, it's, it's all for laughs.


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[Assistant] You know, if we don't laugh at this stuff with the way things are, you know, we're just, we're all going to just, uh, you know, we're going to lose it. We're all going to die of stress. And, uh, I don't want that, man. I'm just out to make people laugh. Let's try to make sense of what's going on in the world, make it funny. And, uh, most of all, not, you know, get attacked on stage. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to get any feedback, right? So it's every time we're on stage, that's really the practice, you know, it's just sort of like after 23 years, hopefully my instincts good enough where, all right, you know, I think this is a pretty good piece and we'll put out in front of the audience, but you guys ultimately decide, man. So.


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[Assistant] You know, it's, uh, you know, it's just like a day at the office, man. Some days are phenomenal and some days your boss is on your ass the whole time and you just gotta deal with it. But, uh, you know, at the end of it, uh, the stuff I've been doing now for like the last year and a half, man, it's really polished and it's strong.


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[Assistant] 100%, man. You guys really get me there, man. This is cool, because that's exactly how it is, you know.


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[Assistant] I love comedy, you know, and I love, uh, working with comics and, you know, if I'm out on the road with somebody, I'll, you know, watch them for a while. But yeah, I'll never sit down and watch someone's Netflix special, you know, or a Comedy Central special or anything like that. Yeah. Cause you don't want that stuff.


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[Assistant] You know, really at the end of the day is like, we all kind of talk about the same six things, more or less. So, you know, it's just like, I just try to...


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[Assistant] Another comic, cuz no matter how good their material is, if you do it, it's gonna suck.


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[Assistant] Well, that's the, that's the, uh, that's the problem right there is never apologize because then they pile on you way worse, right? So the thing is, you know, we're comedians. We're just up there to make people laugh that nobody's up there, you know, to piss somebody off. We're not up there to offend anybody.


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[Assistant] Look, if we, if I, if I went up before the show and I passed out cards and I say, write down everything that offends you, I wouldn't be able, the show would be over before I even started, cause everyone's gonna have their own sensitivities, right? So that's what I was like talking about early in the show, like you see, you know, comics are, uh, you know, getting attacked on stage for,


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[Assistant] You know, just for making jokes, you know, Chris Rock got bitch slapped by Will Smith, Dave Chappelle got attacked on stage, Craig Robinson from the office. So, you know, again, it's like if I could get through the four shows at the Funny Stop this weekend without someone coming up on stage and Will Smith and me, I'll be happy.


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[Assistant] I don't wanna take a side, man. I walk right down the middle, man. I want, I want everybody laughing, you know? Like I see a lot of comics and some of the big names too, man.


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[Assistant] And you know, and I got respect for every comedian, whether you're an open mic'er or you've been, you know, or you're at the top of the world. But I see a lot of them preaching to their audiences. And if you voted for this person, you're a piece of garbage or if you voted, and like, who cares? Let's just all laugh. Like I pick on everybody in the act, but.


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[Assistant] All those people are gonna be at the show, right? So I want them to laugh. If I talk about the trans stuff that's going on, well, you know, I just did some shows in Nashville and I did all that material.


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[Assistant] And the trans person came up and bought all my merchandise, started following me on Instagram. If I talk about older people, younger people, millennials, Gen X, Gen Z, boomers, like I want all those people, I know they're in the crowd, I want them all to laugh, so.


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[Assistant] You know, that's what it's all about cause we all, we all have our own point of view. We all live in this crazy world. We all know what's going on. And you know, I just give it my own spin and.


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[Assistant] You know he wants like to do the ultimate, ultimate Cleveland sports show on his own.


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[Assistant] You know, but he's, he's sitting back. He's learning from, you know, the greats of the game with you guys. And then when he's ready, he's going to make his move and you know, he'll be out on stage and he'll be doing his own show. So I have no doubt about it. McNuggets is going.


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[Assistant] 7.30 and 9.30 and uhm, if you guys want to come down and do some sets, just let me know.


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[Assistant] April 30th when, you know, armed gunmen stormed the Capitol building is probably the most terrifying thing that I've ever experienced in my life.


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[Assistant] Absolutely on. When we got word that they were coming into the building, you know, just sheer fear.


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[Assistant] Uhm, went through my body and I can tell you that other legislators on both sides of the aisle were very fearful as well.


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[Assistant] I was on the floor and I missed three calls from my mom. She was not sure if her daughter was going to make it home alive.


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[Assistant] So at the previous two million MAGA marches, there were probably about a thousand Proud Boys at each of them, uhm, wearing pretty much identical black and yellow. On January 6th, it's quite different. They had specifically said that they were going to come wearing all black.


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[Assistant] There we go, we're live. Michael Ravaport on no jumper. I bet the people thought they would never see this.


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[Assistant] I don't know what kind of expectations you have for this interview. This is our first time meeting.


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[Assistant] You know, I watched the uh, Tribe Called Quest documentary last night. Did you? It was a great experience. Honestly, I could tell my girlfriend knew that I was really enjoying it because she like, didn't try to talk to me the whole time. Uh huh. So that was nice.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause there was a whole lot of fucking turmoil that led up to it. Was that expected that you would go, that you would butt heads with Q-tip that hard?


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[Assistant] What was your early relationship with Tribe? Just a fan. Oh, he's just a fan, okay.


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[Assistant] Cause I grew up listening to them, but for some reason it was one of those groups that I never really felt the need to figure out, like, how they fit in contextually. Cause I started listening to them, like, after their run.


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[Assistant] And yeah, then like figured it out later, but never like really bothered to like know that much about the characters. So it was like really good for me to like actually, you know, dig into that last night.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's like a lofty thing to take on, period. Particularly as like a caucasian guy in the game. To be like, I'm gonna be the one that tells this fucking crazy story.


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[Assistant] In particular with them because they're such like a, they're just so associated with like, you know, being this afro-centric group.


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. Do you, how do you feel in terms of like, what drives you to keep yourself in the hip hop dialogue to such an extent? Because you clearly don't have to. You're clearly making money in other ways.


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[Assistant] You've clearly got things figured out when it comes to just yelling into your iPhone for a minute and going viral.


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[Assistant] But don't you think that almost all popular music becomes beloved, you know, 30, 40 years after it's out, like at least there's, people have space for it, people are able to appreciate it. I remember like Mo Money Mo Problems, like this biggie era was like maligned by hardcore hip hop heads because of what it represented.


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[Assistant] Right, but then 10 years later, it's like you couldn't find a hip hop fan that would have anything negative to say about that bad boy run.


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[Assistant] But that's you saying something negative about entities that nobody's gonna defend, that nobody gives a fuck about cause nobody gives a shit about like terrestrial radio.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I could name 20 rappers from Philly. Never mind 20 rappers who are better than McMill.


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[Assistant] I think like hip-hop sort of universally, maybe not universally, but seems like


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[Assistant] The retrospective perspective on that series of events is that we sort of allowed the internet to like malign.


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[Assistant] Nobody can say you go after soft targets, because that was definitely you biting off a big old beef right there, because you gotta know that he's somebody that's very beloved in rap right now.


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[Assistant] Right. I mean that's one thing that I really appreciate is the reverence that you have for the, the shit talking as an art form. Because it's like you do, like if you, this is one thing somebody told me a long time ago. If you only talk shit about pussies, then you're a pussy.


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[Assistant] You have to go after big names and you're not, you're not really a competent public figure if you're not willing to have a strong opinion and not be scared of getting beat up or having somebody go after you, etc.


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[Assistant] That really like the difference between good and bad when I watch people on like different like up and coming like hip hop shows or whatever in terms of how I judge their ability to communicate it seems like usually the good ones are willing to have hard stances on anything and the bad ones are the ones where you ask them a question they're like


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I don't know, like, their project is doing good, but also they did this, and like, they're very, very wishy-washy. It seems like you, at some point, either, uh, you know, it was literally going through your head, or you just internalized it, the idea that if you, if you,


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[Assistant] This, those same media entities that you're accusing of not having an opinion are the same ones that are so desperate to take any young rapper who has mentioned Tupac or Biggie at all and to just write headlines about him. Like, a lot of these situations, like the Lil Xan thing, the 03 Greedo thing, they both disrespected Tupac, whatever. It's like, those were setups. Like, they're asking...


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[Assistant] I mean, even that would go somewhere, but if you just say one little tiny thing, cause I'm friends with TK who's a 03Grito's manager and he was in the room when they asked 03Grito about Tupac and Grito was like pissed off from doing a long day of interviews and he just said, man, fuck Tupac. I got a metal leg. I don't give a fuck about Tupac.


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[Assistant] Which was, you know, it's funny to hear it from his perspective cause he's like a real...


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[Assistant] The thing is, I was listening to a lot of Kodak Black in the lead up to this, realizing that I was going to have to defend him to some extent, and he actually reminds me of Tupac a lot.


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[Assistant] In the sense that- Not skill wise! But neither of them were very technical rappers. Like Biggie, you could say, okay, Biggie was like a really dope, classic New York City MC. He had a lot going for him in that sense. But Tupac was-


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[Assistant] I mean for me, I go back to no flocking because that was like one of the first songs that I really fell in love with.


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[Assistant] Okay, but if you were to look at a full spectrum of all of the attributes that, that,


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[Assistant] When you look at the music that's popular, it's very, it's almost never for its sheer lyrical ability. It's just that...


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[Assistant] Rebuttal. Kodak said, free my n-words eatin' soup cause they in the can.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't like do porn, but I like fuck my girlfriend sometimes on her private Snapchat. Some of that has made its way over to porn.


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[Assistant] I mean, as a guy, I feel like you're really just kinda there. Like, if you could keep your boner for a long ass time.


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[Assistant] It's just either one. Whenever you talk to porn girls, the biggest complaint is just about how these guys can't stay hard.


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[Assistant] Recent output. It's like, that's what he gets shit for, is like, people think he over-wraps on a song and he'll-


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[Assistant] And my girl's like, what do you mean? I'm like, I just don't think that her style is gonna necessarily be palatable to like a mass market audience in the way that somebody who raps a little bit more laid back could be.


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[Assistant] But there's an effect that takes place at some point where if somebody is rapping so technically it just becomes like impossible to imagine on the radio or...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but Kendrick also is just a very rare anomaly when you look at a lot of facets of his career that he can be like not on social media at all, drops a project every two years, everybody loses their mind over it. I mean, it's hard to pull that off. Jay Cole is, is, is a technical rapper. And he fits in the same spot, same type of spot that Kendrick's in.


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[Assistant] Or I wanna have good food. I think J. Cole could rap more technically than he does and he chooses the spot where he's at in terms of just, you know, like a happy medium. Because I feel like if J. Cole really wanted to prove that he was the best technical rapper, he would rap differently than he raps. He's concerned with getting a point across.


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[Assistant] Remember Jay- Jay Z, this is fucking corny as hell, to quote this when Jay Z said, you know, if lyrics sold, that I would be lyrically Talib Kweli. Right.


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[Assistant] Well, it's interesting when you look at somebody like Blueface, because yeaah, he's exploded on social media, he just got 3 million followers out of fucking nowhere, he's got a bunch of records that are, uh, you know, on the charts and everything, but, it's interesting, cause he's starting to feel like this massive presence.


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[Assistant] In LA hip hop, but then if you take a look at his career and you put it side by side with like what Kendrick has done so far, it's like, okay, blue faces.


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[Assistant] All of a sudden you're looking at them like side by side like these are kind of the top guys in LA right now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, I'm tempted to throw Juice World on the list, just because. Really?


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[Assistant] He's one of these new emo rappers. If you listen to his stuff, you, you might be kind of horrified, just in the sense that there's very little of like hip hop sound to the majority of the songs on his album. But he just sold 180,000 copies first week, which is ridiculous. Juice World? Juice World. Alright, I gotta check him out. Who else? From Chicago, he's like a 19 year old kid.


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[Assistant] I mean you got somebody like Gunna and Lil Baby who are kind of like the next generation of like Atlanta trap artists.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they went through a couple of different like career revivals in a sense where like I felt like


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[Assistant] They were supposed to experience the Drake curse because they got that Drake out, the Drake verse right away. And there's like a thing that happens with artists where they get the Drake verse early on. Drake sort of like co-ops their sound style or whatever. And then it can be really hard.


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[Assistant] And then it's kinda like Drake blows out that style so much that that's almost not your style anymore. People know of it as being that style that Drake had for that one song in a weird way.


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[Assistant] Your music is legitimate. I mean, you would definitely see a lot of people who'd be willing to say that like, oh, Migos ain't shit, Migos ain't that special, blah, blah, blah. They just put out like solo projects and the reviews were.


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[Assistant] Mixed for sure, but I mean, I would say definitely that they're respected just as guys and as overall rappers, even though they, they're not like, like if you look at somebody like Young Thug, Young Thug is like a huge stylistic influence on so many fucking people and I wouldn't say that people put Migos in that category because


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[Assistant] They're dope, they're, they're consistent, they've made so many goddamn hit records, they're, they're just like...


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[Assistant] He's definitely doesn't have songs that are anywhere near as big as certain Migos songs, but he's like the stylistic pioneer.


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[Assistant] Yeah, she just put on an album, so I feel like this is the test right here, is like how this album does is- The album's out? It's either out or it like came out last night, usually the drop Thursday night.


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[Assistant] I mean considering that she's a 15 year old who got famous from Dr. Phil, although actually I think she just turned 16, but considering that she's like a teenage girl that got famous from Dr. Phil,


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[Assistant] I would say that all things considered, her image is actually not that bad. Like she's not a constant punching bag, which you would definitely, if, if you were an alien and I was trying, or if you, if you were in a coma for the last five years and I was trying to explain to you, you would probably think that this person was going to be like universally shit upon. I got you. In comparison to that, it's actually pretty.


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[Assistant] The thing about 6ix9ine is that he never wrote his own shit. It was always written for him. How does that affect how you view him? Cause a lot of people I don't think know that.


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[Assistant] Uh, she's revered, you know, she's, she's loved outside of hip hop. She's, uh, you know, I would say that the hardcore crowd.


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[Assistant] Doesn't have anything too negative to say about her, you know, to think she's earning her place, even though, I mean, there's obviously questions about her authenticity and everything in the sense that she probably doesn't write most of her stuff and everything, but I mean.


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[Assistant] But my childhood was Tupac and Biggie, like that was it for me. You know, I got into rap with like when Snoop Dogg put his first album out. So everything before that, I just don't have the same reverence for it. You know, it's hard for me to wrap my head around Run DMC. Like I can watch, I can read about it. I can hear like, oh, they were the first people dressing like this. They were the first people to do songs of Aerosmith.


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[Assistant] I feel like it's hard for me to go back and appreciate rap before I started listening to it. But if I could listen to something from the same time period that I started listening to rap and that'll make sense but the previous generations


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[Assistant] Can be kinda hard for me to like 100% latch onto. I got you, I got you. But I feel like when you look at it...


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[Assistant] Tupac and Biggie are these ancient fucking memories. For a lot of these kids now, like I'm 35 and that's what I was listening to when I was a little kid, but for a 19 year old kid, what the fuck is Biggie and Tupac? That's like Sugarhill Gang to me, you know?


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[Assistant] Can you review Juice World's album on your next podcast? I think that there's a lot.


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[Assistant] Okay. Chris, I have a question. Can you ask Michael, like, one question while I go take a piss? Cause I feel like my fucking urethra is gonna explode right now. Okay.


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[Assistant] I don't think her attention span was gonna withhold that. I'm also just interested to see what he comes up with here.


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[Assistant] Keep in mind that my employees right now have two blunts and it's fucking like 2pm, it's 3pm.


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[Assistant] Hey, let me ask you that, you roll around solo, you ever have anybody try to pull any funny shit with you?


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[Assistant] Right. So. Yeaah, that, that's, is that, yeaah, that's the question. Now my kids are big, so. How famous do you feel right now compared to like, you know, 10, 20 years ago?


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, when did you really start to feel famous though? When did your career really take off in an acting sense?


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[Assistant] I also, there was something that was like kind of a turning point with, with higher learning because that's kind of what I realized. Cause I'm looking at the two, the two scenes in that movie and it's kind of like you got,


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[Assistant] But that's a weird moment where you've, yea, not that way, that's the other white crew in the movie. But, you know, that was a weird moment for me as like a fucking 10 year old watching that and realizing like I don't fit easily into the right racial group, I don't think.


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[Assistant] It's just not as like developed culturally. You know, that's the problem.


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[Assistant] I mean, to me, I've just never been able to make sense out of the fact that, okay, you have New York, every fucking dope rapper's from New York. It's easy to make the case for New York. And then you have Philly over there, and Philly, you got a whole bunch of dope rappers from Philly, and that's two hours away or whatever. But then, Boston is four hours from New York. What happened? And there's almost no, I mean, and-


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[Assistant] No, not technically. And actually really, like, I have my complaints about Kodak lyrically, because when I really listen to him, I do feel like he falls back on these sort of boring metaphors and shit here and there. But I feel like overall, his sentiment, his pain, and a lot of it is just...


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[Assistant] No. That was fake news. The idea that he was going to snitch and that he was going to get off completely because he snitched on the guy who he hired to shoot at Chief Keefe.


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[Assistant] That was fake news. What is reality is that yes he is snitching and what came out yesterday is that Shottie who's the main, the main dude that was his manager that was like the Nine Trey Bloods dude.


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[Assistant] That guy pled guilty. And he said that, like, he, he really made it seem like he was gonna take it to trial. But I mean, I think he finally had to accept reality. The 6ix9ine told on him. Everybody's gonna tell on each other. They had a ridiculous amount of evidence.


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[Assistant] I mean he shot a fucking gun out the window of a car in a random viral video. People forget that Lil Pump was viral for his bullshit on Twitter before he was viral for his music. Jesus.


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[Assistant] But I mean, okay yea, Lil Pump probably not as violent as like Chief Keef who was accused of like shooting at fucking cops and all this shit. But I mean, if you are able to occupy that role, like Lil Yachty, not violent at all, but he was like the young, hot, new, crazy, ridiculous kid before Pump was. But you can never be in that spot for more than a year or two.


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[Assistant] But isn't that weird to think that some percentage of the audience right now are like rap bloggers that are just trying to find some little nugget to write a post about?


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[Assistant] The weird thing though is that anyone who had that kind of pedigree would probably be doing something more profitable than writing about rap because the written word is really tough to monetize these days.


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[Assistant] I used to aspire to be like a writer until I realized that it was really hard, really long. It's like just picking apart words and working on your sentence structure is a big part of it. And like at that same time, I was also like getting really into YouTube and shit and listening to podcasts.


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[Assistant] It was really just, I started a podcast to interview BMX riders, because I just, I started like the first BMX website in 2006.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean there's a whole, there's a lot of legendary BMX writers from New York. That's why I moved to New York when I was 19 because I was like, okay, this is the coolest fucking BMX scene in the world. There ain't shit going on in New Hampshire.


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[Assistant] I mean, I thought it was pretty dope that there was like four dudes that were down to ride with me when I was like 14. I was pretty excited about that. But it wasn't poppin'. It was not poppin'.


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[Assistant] I was doing that in 2006 when I started the website and then over time started doing podcasts and vlogs and stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but we, and we had this store downtown and then, you know, various rappers start coming through the store.


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[Assistant] I did, and it was exhilarating. Yo, that's dope. I was in the studio with him. I saw him lay a verse. What, what, what verse? It never even came out.


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[Assistant] I feel like there's a lot of good rappers out there. I'm not sure I want to put them head to head with Goff's face, but...


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[Assistant] I don't think that I would walk away from that song thinking, oh my god, Ghostface just washed Kendrick. Kendrick does not belong on the same planet as Ghostface. I don't think so.


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[Assistant] Okay. 2019 versus 1999. There's been a lot of rappers who came out since then.


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[Assistant] There's no one. You don't think Cameron would sound good on a Ghostface song? I feel like Cameron pretty much came out and like really started getting popular in like 2000, well actually 2001.


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[Assistant] But so you're willing to go off charisma when you say that because you could probably sit here and say that Black Thought is a better technical lyricist than Ghostface, right?


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[Assistant] Let me tell you what. Let's take a look at the chat. Let's see what the chat has to say. Let me hear what the fucking chat has to say. I would like to know what they think about this.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, I wanna ask you this, did you catch on to the Tiana Trump controversy that came out because of this podcast?


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[Assistant] Do you think there's any basketball journalists out there who are trying to dig in?


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[Assistant] I hold the key because I actually know who she was talking about because she talked about it with names after the story.


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[Assistant] Okay, she said that there were like these guys who were in the Pacers who fucked her when she was 16. And then she also said that there was a top 5 earning player who, uh, basically at one point told her that he was gonna manage her and so he had her Instagram login and then he was using her Instagram account to get dick pics and videos of guys jerking off.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I'm surprised the media wasn't more all over this because it's so salacious.


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[Assistant] It's a guessing game though, because she gave a bunch of fuckin' facts about it.


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[Assistant] What I gotta say too though is I really feel like, okay, as much as I look at Kodak saying that about Tupac and Biggie and I agree it's offensive, he didn't need to say that, etc., I think that there's an extent to which


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[Assistant] If you want to be the king, you have to come for the greats. You have to put yourself in that conversation. At some point you have to make people start comparing that to you.


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[Assistant] Can you imagine if Jay-Z had Instagram live? Like Nas had Instagram live when he was looking at the tech on the dresser.


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[Assistant] But would you respect it if Kodak Black was saying, man, I'm a better rapper than J. Cole or Kendrick? Because they could just respond. Like, we could compare their music right now.


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[Assistant] I think, I'm gonna be honest with you, I think that the skill...


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[Assistant] Element is resurfacing as the primary element. I think people are kind of sick of Instagram antics. And I think that in Lil Pump and 6ix9ine, in a way, they kind of hit the ceiling of what could be done with crazy hair dye, face tattoo, Soundcloud rapper type stuff.


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[Assistant] Rap is in a good space in the sense that you can just do that. You can't just casually rap on your story or some shit in terms of how you like it. Because there's a weird thing where...


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[Assistant] Uh, in like basketball, like you could be this big NBA star and then you fall back and you could still go mess around, shoot some hoops with your friends, you know? You could just go play for the love of the game. When rap, it's like, if you're not


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[Assistant] If you're not in the conversation about who's dope and stuff, if you're a 50 year old dude that's rapping, it's like kind of shit upon by the fans. And it's kind of unfortunate because it doesn't always, everyone putting out a song doesn't always have to be like chasing after massive sales and success.


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[Assistant] You ever think that your, uh, your antics on Instagrams that were gonna affect your, uh, your, your actual work, your actual-


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[Assistant] If you've had a Roseanne Barr moment, then you might be the fuck outta here.


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[Assistant] You wanna fuck for six hours? That'll get you there.


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[Assistant] It's been a while though. So what are you doing for the rest of the day? Just cause I'm curious.


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[Assistant] That's like the most evil fucking thing I could ever imagine. I actually watched this while I was in Australia. The documentary! Fuck!


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[Assistant] And the link just stays live afterwards. It's a beautiful thing. People can just watch it. The same link that we're live streaming from is the same link that it'll be accessible from 10 years from now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, how I ended up interviewing her. I don't remember how I ended up interviewing her. I think Atlantic might have just tossed me that and said like, yeah, or no, no, no, no, I just met her. There was actually a party for one of the stores next door.


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[Assistant] You know, I just kinda like got into that groove of like growing the podcast by just trying to get as many people like super early on as possible.


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[Assistant] Tyler still has a huge fan base and does crazy numbers. He still has a store right over there on Fairfax.


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[Assistant] And I was like, yo, you went to high school, my mom, uh, uh. It's always weird when you hear stories about your fucking parents from high school and shit.


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[Assistant] Was working at this junior high over the summer, like he had this job where they would go in and like clean the fuck out of the school over the summer. And he goes, yeah, you know, I was working with this guy and he told me that your dad used to be his teacher in high school and that your dad would come in and just teach the class as high as fuck. That's funny. And I fucking confronted my dad with it. My dad was bewildered and pissed off.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the space that you've been trying to inherit for all these years is just to be the cool white guy in rap, right? Not white guy.


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[Assistant] Alright, appreciate you guys. Everybody, we will be back. I'm interviewing Daylight later.


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[Assistant] And it's gonna be good. Daylight. Another battle rap legend.


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[Assistant] But think about how uncomfortable this made the dude he was battling. And did he win?


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[Assistant] Use the platform to express what it's really about. Yeah. I can't, I can't. That's the big good thing for the culture. He's out of here. He's walking out on me like Cuban doll. Appreciate you, man.


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[Assistant] Yeah, she got mad because I, uh, asked about a song that another rapper made that was like, kinda making fun of her. Anyway, we'll be back with Daylight. Thank you, Michael Rappaport. Boom!


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[Assistant] Those were his first three at bats, right? Yes. Back to back to back. I mean, that's what this club needed. Yeah. Welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. It's Friday. I hope we're going to slingshot you into the weekend. Hey, if you got no weekend plans, good tickets still available for the Astros Guardians, which is stunning to me. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean, they're first place team. They're, you know, they're very, very good team. I don't know if they're in first place right now. No, the Rangers. I think the Rangers are in first place. I look today, just, I like to kind of gauge the standings of where the Guardians be. They're game and a half out of first place now.


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[Assistant] They're four under 500, but they're a game and a half out of first place. If they were in the East, it's over. They're done. They're buried. They're probably, I think they're in last place.


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[Assistant] If they were in the West, they're 10 and a half or so behind the Rangers or 12 and a half. I did the math this morning. They're like 12, 13 games behind the Rangers and it's basically that's a wrap. You're not going to make up that ground, but because they're in the American League Central.


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[Assistant] There's a chance. Not only is there a chance, there's a good chance. And they should be, I think. Uhm, I think Tito has managed the storm. He's made it through the storm.


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[Assistant] And there are a lot of signs that they're coming out of it just fine. We're going to talk more about the Guardians in just a second. First though, uh, quick look at what Greg Pruitt's on today's show. Yep. Now you've got to be my age to know who Greg Pruitt is. But once upon a time, this guy, he had 12 seasons as a running back in the NFL guys.


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[Assistant] Five All-Pro seasons, or Pro Bowl seasons, I'm sorry. And he wasn't All-Pro in 97. One time All-Pro, five Pro Bowls. He was, uh, I was very, very young, but I do remember him.


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[Assistant] And what I most remember about him was he was just, he was what a running back looked like to me. Now he played at the same time OJ Simpson did he came in a little later than OJ?


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[Assistant] But OJ for me as a kid was the standard at running back. He did everything. He was just big, strong, fast, would run away from guys. Greg Pruitt was for me a pretty close second. He finished third in the Heisman vote in his junior season at Oklahoma and second.


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[Assistant] Uhm, in his senior season. So he, a great running back. I can't wait to catch up with him and to hear some of his good stories.


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[Assistant] I want to talk to him about is, and it seems odd because he played in my lifetime, uhm,


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[Assistant] Okay yeah, so he played a few years in your lifetime, you were a baby, you don't remember. But it's weird to think that a player who played in our lifetimes, not you obviously,


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[Assistant] But had to deal with racial strife. When he was playing in Oklahoma, the South wasn't even fully integrated. There weren't a lot of blacks playing football in the South. Can you imagine?


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[Assistant] I mean, when you look at it today and where we, where we are today, uhm,


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[Assistant] I'm interested to hear what some of the stories are maybe of things he had to deal with. So he's going to join us. He's coming up in the second hour of the program. Also, we're going to throw a name out there in the NBA. Would you want this guy on the Cavs roster? Big time name. Big time name. Likely available. Do you want him?


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[Assistant] That'll be an interesting discussion. And also, Ant's got a new game. I'm excited about this. I have no idea how it's going to go. It's called Who's That Player? Do you want to tease us and tell us what we're doing?


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[Assistant] Alright, very good. Shout out to Cypher. First of all, I'm impressed that you still watch Saturday morning cartoons.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's a travesty. Bro, they put on like hair replacement infomercial. It used to be appointment television. I never missed. Never. My bowl of crunch berries. And watch it. Favorite cartoon of all time.


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[Assistant] You know what though? Mama and Papa G. Bush are the reason you're here today.


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[Assistant] What was everybody's favorite cartoon? And I wanna hear from folks in the chat and the YouTube and all that. I, I, I guess I, I mean Bugs Bunny is the classic, but I love Popeye.


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[Assistant] Popeye's a good one. Popeye was just, you know, skinny little dude with sick forearms that just pops some spinach and like bruises.


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[Assistant] And you don't, the coyote died like ten times an episode. It would fall off the cliff and then you, after a while you see. I don't, I didn't like, I didn't like.


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[Assistant] That was a classic. I'm too old. The one thing that I, speaking about Pepe Lapew getting cancelled, I saw a funny meme the other day. Someone said, thank God Pepe Lapew is cancelled. Now my son, my 12 year old son can go back to playing Grand Theft Auto where he just set a hunker on fire because he refused to pay her.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, okay, so let's just think about the dynamics of that for a second. You've got Pepe Le Pew getting cancelled, and you've got kids the same age that would be watching that.


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[Assistant] Playing with no restrictions whatsoever.


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[Assistant] We're kind of, if you think about it, we're where the Jetsons were, minus the air travel and space, you know, through, through, through the sky. Yeah, give or take. Which, I, I used to watch that, and I literally used to think, wow, that's the way it's gonna be, we're all gonna have little vehicles that we shoot around in the sky, and they go


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[Assistant] That's awesome. Keep your cartoon suggestions coming. It's always fun to have a little nostalgia and look back.


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[Assistant] Guardians, we are really starting to see the whole ship turn its nose right now.


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[Assistant] Couple of facts for you. They've won four of five. Fact. They've won seven of eleven. So you really want to see it go over a double-digit stretch. They're a game and a half out as you look at the standings. I know everything's closed. They're also only two games from being in fourth.


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[Assistant] But, everything is trending in the right direction. Now, Houston comes into town tonight, that's gonna be a tough series. But, if they can keep the bats rolling, it's all about winning series. Tito's preaching, I'm sure.


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[Assistant] Two, three game stretches at a time. Win series. Win series. One after another. If you do that, you're gonna end up in first place.


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[Assistant] I want your guys take, before I give mine, on where things sit today, June the 9th, on the Guardians. Are you buying them for the playoffs or are you selling them for the playoffs?


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[Assistant] When I talk to, uh, to the guardians at spring training.


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[Assistant] That solves a problem. I tell you another thing, and this is why I'm bye bye bye. And this is why when we talked at the beginning of the year, you said, where is this team going to be when Mackenzie comes back? And I said, they're going to be at 500. They weren't quite at 500.


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[Assistant] But as we look now at the second third of the season, the middle third of the season, I think they're gonna finish about 10 games over 500. I think they're that good of a club. Here's why I have big time reason for hope. Look at their, so their rotation is now settled in.


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[Assistant] Everything takes care of itself. Quantral, for whatever reason. Whether it's a real injury or he's just forgotten how to get guys out. He's now out of the rotation. He's got the injury. He's unavailable for now. Please Zach.


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[Assistant] Wow. I mean, you know, I don't think we'll ever see the 2020, please, Zach.


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[Assistant] Or 21, I can't remember which of the years he looked really, really good. That ship is sailed. So here's now their starting rotation as it looks today.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna read these in order of earned run average, okay? Now, obviously, McKenzie's thrown five innings. He's got a zero earned run average. Uh, I do think that he's the de facto ace of this staff.


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[Assistant] I think he supplanted Bieber as the ace. His stuff is electric. It's Cy Young quality. He's got high strikeout stuff. Bieber is no longer a strikeout guy it appears. So I've got McKenzie. He's got the best ERA on the staff. Savalli went five and two thirds last night.


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[Assistant] He gave up the home run. Prior to that, he'd only given up one run. So he gave up two last night.


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[Assistant] He's 2-1 after the win. His ERA is 2-3-1.


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[Assistant] So he's not the number two, but right now these are the ERAs. Then you've got Logan Allen. Then you've got Tanner Bybee. The highest ERA on the Guardians starting five staff right now is Shane Bieber at three and a half runs a game. So when you look at that, and you look at the fact that the bats are finally starting to talk,


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[Assistant] If you have five pitchers, your five starters, and the highest ERA is three and a half, and he's the Cy Young winner,


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[Assistant] And he hasn't yet pitched up to his potential. You can see why there's a lot of excitement around how this team can win the division because this is a, this is a starting rotation. I'm not saying that they can go deep in the playoffs because there's not a lot of them that have playoff experience, but this is a staff that can win a division


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[Assistant] And they're going to make this whole trade Bieber, keep Bieber scenario real difficult for the guardians. I read a couple of days ago.


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[Assistant] A major league executive was quoted as saying, Shane Bieber's not that guy. Essentially, that's what he said. It's like, the Guardians, if they're expecting a big package for him, they're not gonna get it. He's no longer Shane Bieber, All-Star Game MVP, Cy Young winner.


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[Assistant] Well, I hope for Shane's sake, he's a great guy, and he's a talent. I hope for his sake it's longer than that. But, I mean, the arc and the trajectory of a pitcher is, they tend to be in their prime 28 to 32. And I do think Bieber is still in that, but I do think that, I don't know how long he's going to be able to sustain that.


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[Assistant] surprised at how his stri down. Well, his velocities an hour and that's, that's that could be a telltale to an keeping it quiet because the last thing you want to and you're really trying t


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[Assistant] So, I don't know that it's an, now if you're Bieber and you've got an injury, you're gonna insist that you go on the DL. Yeah. I don't know what the deal is with him, but guys,


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[Assistant] There've gotta be real conversations going on inside that building as to what we do with Shane Bieber because I mentioned this last week and I'll repeat it. If they're in first place.


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[Assistant] It's hard to sell it to the rest of the team.


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[Assistant] You know, when you look at what the Wraiths have done, the Wraiths have just run away with things. But really, there's only two teams in the AL who are completely out. Well, the A's are dead. A's and Wraiths, the only two teams that are dead.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but here's what I'll say too. Uhm, if I'm gonna advocate one way or another, it's gonna be to keep them. And here's why.


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[Assistant] We're watching, and I don't think they're gonna win the title, but we're watching an eight seed in the NBA.


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[Assistant] Who, up until their loss two nights ago, had home court advantage.


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[Assistant] In the NBA, four to six teams, maybe. In Major League Baseball, just in the past couple of years, we saw a Braves team come back from the dead in August to win the World Series. It can happen. The Nationals did it a few years back. So, as a starving fan,


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[Assistant] Who wants desperately to see meaningful baseball in October? And I enjoyed it last year even though it didn't end the way we wanted.


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[Assistant] I want this team to take every and all opportunities they can to play deep into October. And I'll say this.


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[Assistant] If Shane Bieber is not on the roster on August 1st of making a playoff run, you're going to need his stability.


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[Assistant] He's a guy that can likely give you two starts in a playoff series. He has experience. The stage will not be too big for him.


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[Assistant] Beiber is your rudder in the water.


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[Assistant] It's so much more different now, and I'm glad you asked that question, because I was talking with a scout two years, two, at the end of, uh, the 21 season.


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[Assistant] About this very thing. About how there's, he said there's no more surprises.


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[Assistant] There used to be, yeaah, there used to be pop quizzes. Yeaah. It used to be when a guy like Bybee would come up, everybody would say, well, you know, we had some advanced scouting on him. Looks like he's got an A plus fast ball. It looks like he's got a plus curve ball. Uh, but he's only got three pitches that he can command. So they had that knowledge.


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[Assistant] But now there's no more pop quizzes. There's tape on everybody, even in the minor league, because a lot of these triple A games are, are, there's tape on these triple A games, some double A games. So, once these guys have a book,


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[Assistant] It's a lot easier for teams to strategize against how they're going to approach them. So there's, and really


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[Assistant] Bobby can throw once or twice in the big leagues and now we have tendencies to lean on. Oh, when he's up 0-2 he likes to go this way. When he's down 2-0 he always goes this way. So there's really no more surprises. The advanced scouting and the analytics now


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[Assistant] It's making the adjustment to the adjustment. So hitters now are the first to make the adjustments. So how will they adjust to the way Bybee and Allen pitch? And we'll see that. And ultimately what we'll find is, I'll give you an example. A guy throws a curve ball, but it's always out of the strike zone. So he starts it as a strike.


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[Assistant] And then it tails off. Eventually you learn. Well, soon everybody's spitting on it because they know what it is. They know it's a ball. So now they're going to force that pitcher to start it in and to break it over the plate.


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[Assistant] What happens when the strike ends up, or when the curveball ends up in the strike zone? So then, Bybee's gonna have to make an adjustment. Okay, I'll start it higher and break it down, or whatever the case may be, but it's such a game of cat and mouse, it's like a Rubik's Cube.


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[Assistant] If you've ever done a Rubik's Cube, if you start to get one side, if that's your strategy, I'm gonna get one side, then I'll get the other five. It all falls into place. You're going to fail. No, you're going to fail because by getting this one solved, now trying to solve others, you're gonna screw this one up.


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[Assistant] So the, the, the, for anybody that's done a Rubik's Cube is, the approach is to get the corners all the way around.


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[Assistant] You get your four white corners, your four red corners, your four green, four blue, four yellow, then you get the middle rows. Well, it's, you're multitasking, you're doing many things at once, and it's the same thing for pitchers and hitters and the cat and mouse.


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[Assistant] As hitters are starting to adjust to his fastball, he's got to continue to change his fastball but also work on his curveball.


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[Assistant] So it's really, it's a complex game. Those that can adjust survive. Those that don't are Oscar Gonzalez. On the hitters end of it.


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[Assistant] He couldn't show plate discipline, pitchers knew what he was gonna do, and they were able to have better success against him.