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[Assistant] But this is linked to experiences of climate change. So for example, Aboriginal people in their communities are saying the impacts of climate change resemble the experiences of colonization.


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[Assistant] This is reflected in who is most vulnerable. Climate change exacerbates inequalities that already exist and of course those who've experiencing the worst effects have contributed the least, including children and young people and future generations.


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[Assistant] Just as an example, in 2000, 88% of the increased burden of global disease, which is physical disease primarily, attributable to climate change fell on children.


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[Assistant] But this is also, uh, because physical and mental health is strongly linked affecting children and representative of how children and young people are being affected directly.


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[Assistant] Again, people with pre-existing vulnerabilities to mental ill health are more vulnerable and even people with pre-existing conditions are two to three times more likely to die in a heatwave. Next slide.


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[Assistant] So if we zoom out, we're at a place where there are all these interlink crises. People who live in places with poor air quality, for example, which fundamentally comes from burning fossil fuels, are more likely to die from COVID-19.


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[Assistant] They're more likely to experience depression, anxiety, and have higher suicide risk.


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[Assistant] They're more likely to experience physical health problems and they're more likely to be from a poorer community.


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[Assistant] All of these things that we're experiencing in society are fundamentally linked and feeding each other. Next slide.


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[Assistant] And this is because that there are common causes in the way our societies are currently structured and the cultures in which we live that are fueling these multiple crises.


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[Assistant] And this includes things like the disconnection between, uh, people and us and, and us with ourselves and us and nature.


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[Assistant] Being, uh, having fossil fuels that are fueling air pollution and killing people globally and worsening their mental health and wellbeing.


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[Assistant] As well as making uh, poorer food and water security.


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[Assistant] And we have widening inequalities as well as a range of other common causes. If we go to the next slide.


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[Assistant] I won't have time to go through this in detail, but you'll get the slides later to see the evidence that the IPCC and others have outlined in how these common causes are linked from a


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[Assistant] Mental health perspective and a climate perspective. So all of these things worsen mental health. They also worsen climate change.


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[Assistant] For example, income inequality is associated with poor mental health


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[Assistant] And what this means is that there is a vicious cycle where these crises are reinforcing each other.


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[Assistant] So now we're going to look at where we want to go.


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[Assistant] To not only break this vicious cycle and mitigate all those pathways by which climate change impacts mental health


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[Assistant] And because there are common causes, there are common solutions and this is co-beneficial, but also codependent.


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[Assistant] And so climate change is not only a great threat, but a huge opportunity to redefine the social and environmental determinants of health, including mental health. Next slide.


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[Assistant] But we need a certain type of climate action at all levels to transform our society.


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[Assistant] And supports a society that will create a virtuous cycle for children and young people. Next slide.


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[Assistant] The fungal network that is connecting all of these trees in a wood wide web that has nutrients, um, to all of the different trees. And so if we help all of those, um, uh, at all of those different levels, the mycelium network can fuel the trees. If we go to the next slide.


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[Assistant] And hope lies in the interconnected nature of this work.


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[Assistant] Systems are fundamentally created by communities and individuals. Communities are made up of individuals and individuals are a part of and can influence communities and systems. And so whatever part of this network you're working on, you'll have ripple effects across this, this network. Next slide.


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[Assistant] So I'd like you to reflect before I go into our vision of transformation and where you imagine there could be connected transformation.


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[Assistant] Be more to learn, I guess, but I'd love to hear what people's imagining daily habits, local politics. Thank you everyone who's jumping on and answering.


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[Assistant] Within the community, a new version of uh, community and employment. Agriculture.


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[Assistant] Supporting parents to support their children and young people to make sense and act on changes. General hopefulness. Fantastic.


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[Assistant] So despite saying at the start that there was limited awareness of the connections between these issues.


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[Assistant] There's already loads of ideas here and again we'll share this in the chat, uh, sorry, in the slide deck later. So if we go back to the slides.


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[Assistant] I'll now outline what our vision is across these different levels.


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[Assistant] So again, these levels are connected, but if we look at the individual level,


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[Assistant] What the IPCC has said is that we need lifestyle and behaviour changes.


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[Assistant] And this could cut 40 to 70% of greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. What we know is vital for securing a safe future for children and young people.


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[Assistant] But these lifestyle changes themselves can improve health and wellbeing. Next slide.


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[Assistant] We've seen that children and young people are sitting with all of these different emotions and psychological responses. And this can be deeply uncomfortable and challenging.


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[Assistant] And climate action, uh, has to follow from an individual transformation.


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[Assistant] We need to move from awareness to having a space to reflect and to process before we can move into action and before we can sustain action. And this relies on emotional and social skills that mental health and wellbeing professionals know about.


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[Assistant] And in response to this rational threat we need a psychological and therapeutic understanding to help children and young people. If we go to the next slide.


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[Assistant] If people are overwhelmed with anxiety or with grief, the evidence says this can be part of leading to inaction. But if people in our communities, particularly leaders, are sometimes underwhelmed


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[Assistant] With denial and disavow, we need the expertise of mental health professionals to understand, to hold compassion for this and help with this intergenerational crisis of moving leaders to act.


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[Assistant] And both responses are just defense mechanisms trying to keep us safe in an unsafe climate. Next slide.


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[Assistant] But there is a lot of evidence that there's a range of emotions that can also inspire action.


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[Assistant] Hope and agency, but even anger and rage and injustice can inspire action. And that action itself can improve mental health and wellbeing.


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[Assistant] And when we look at the evidence for this, we're seeing this emerge. So if we go to the next slide.


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[Assistant] Hopelessness and powerlessness seem to worsen mental health outcomes for children and young people, as I said. But hopefulness and agency can safeguard mental health.


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[Assistant] Opportunity for them to see the effectiveness of their own actions and take pro-environmental behaviors. This can be linked to higher wellbeing and meaning in life.


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[Assistant] But importantly, this is not about seeing the future as completely rosy but not holding hopelessness. Next slide.


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[Assistant] Many of the researchers looking at important coping strategies for children and young people have emphasized hope, but a particular type of hope called active hope.


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[Assistant] Where people do things in line with their values and are active participants in bringing about the future they hope to see.


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[Assistant] And this is different from passive hope, where we just wait for external agencies to bring about the world we desire. If we go to the next slide.


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[Assistant] And again, the, the emotions and psychological responses children and young people have, and actually all of us have,


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[Assistant] Really interact with the narratives we hold and are told about climate and about the world and that we're hearing from the media and others.


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[Assistant] And one thing we've found really helpful for children and young people, but really for all of us,


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[Assistant] Things are bad, they're getting worse, but no matter at what point we're at, there's always a better and a worse path forward. So we can feel anxious about the future and


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[Assistant] Push for that future that we desire as individuals and together. And there's power in committing to this change in perspective.


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[Assistant] There's many amazing organizations helping with this individual transformation and supporting people to have the skills to cope and act.


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[Assistant] This includes people who are climate aware psychotherapists like the Climate Psychiatry Alliance, Climate Psychology Alliance.


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[Assistant] Also organisations like the Inner Development Goals, uh, that have outlined these skills that mental health practitioners will know and created a framework to help


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[Assistant] People move through this experience. We're also working in this space with our co-design self guided journal.


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[Assistant] And hold this space, which is a digital platform also done with common vision and force of nature and science, uh, climate scientists. Next slide.


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[Assistant] It's not enough for us to act as individuals and particularly children and young people don't want the burden all on their shoulders. We need to push for community action.


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[Assistant] But community transformation is also what the IPCC has called for.


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[Assistant] If we're going to live through the climate crisis, we need communities to be resilient.


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[Assistant] But more so than just the ability to bounce back, they need to have the capacity for transformation. So what does that look like? Next slide.


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[Assistant] This fundamentally relies on mental health and social wellbeing.


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[Assistant] To build this capacity for transformation and resilience in communities that the world that children and young people will inherit and need to live through to cope with and act on climate.


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[Assistant] We need communities that have a strong social fabric


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[Assistant] Pro social values and social infrastructures where we can disseminate these kinds of mental health supports


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[Assistant] Opportunities for action and coping and acting skills that we just discussed.


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[Assistant] And collective action itself, these opportunities to come together in communities.


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[Assistant] Is where we see the source of mental health and social support.


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[Assistant] That helps children and young people cope with climate distress.


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[Assistant] So what children and young people themselves are saying is that that climate activism, particularly collective, can promote resilience.


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[Assistant] Especially when they can emotionally engage and when mental health is systematically supported.


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[Assistant] So this social, uh, infrastructure looks like using the places where children and young people are already at in their schools, universities, community centers, places of worship, and also having space for them to be heard within business. Next slide.


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[Assistant] And IPCC again says we can't adapt and live through the changing climate without participatory approaches, without including the voices.


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[Assistant] of people on the ground with lived experience and local knowledge and this includes listening and acting on the desires of young people.


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[Assistant] But even if we weren't in a climate crisis, mental health and wellbeing already requires community transformation.


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[Assistant] And global mental health has been calling for this, particularly for youth mental health, because of this treatment gap.


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[Assistant] We already need to be strengthening connections and a sense of belonging in communities.


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[Assistant] We already need to be meeting children and young people where they're at and equipping them with these skills.


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[Assistant] Takes into account young people's culture and context and sees them as part of their community and part of their culture. And this is again intersecting with climate.


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[Assistant] So the Aboriginal health council of Western Australia are saying when we talk about the mental health impacts of climate change, we're talking about the loss and disconnection


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[Assistant] Of our spiritual identity, our cultural beliefs, and our values. And these are essential requirements for our own life force.


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[Assistant] So the mental health and wellbeing of individuals is fundamentally linked to their community and the health of their lands and planet.


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[Assistant] And this kind of holistic understanding is what we need to bring into.


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[Assistant] We need a transformational shift within communities towards cultures that fundamentally center and care for people in the planet.


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[Assistant] And working with communities can simultaneously strengthen


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[Assistant] Enabling them to better prevent and treat youth mental health and mental illness.


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[Assistant] While equipping them simultaneously with what the IPCC is saying is fundamentally required if we're going to live through the climate crisis and having that resilience and transformational capacity.


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[Assistant] While that action, uhm, itself, working collectively for climate action, further boosts mental health and wellbeing.


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[Assistant] So there are again, many examples of success that I'll let you peruse later in your own time. But some of them are things like green social prescribing, connected to climate.


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[Assistant] Embedding wellbeing support in schools. So the Anna Freud Center is already working on whole school approaches.


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[Assistant] We're hoping to work with the Anna Freud Center on this. They've already got family hubs and we can link this to the skills that we need for children and young people and their families to cope with and act on climate.


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[Assistant] Organizations like Force of Nature are run by and for young people to mobilize mindsets for climate action.


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[Assistant] Uh, live with and through the climate crisis as children and young people.


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[Assistant] We need to vastly accelerate the transformational shifts we have in our systems.


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[Assistant] At the moment, no country meets the needs of its citizens at a resource use that's globally sustainable.


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[Assistant] So earlier we looked at the common causes for how the way our systems and cultures are set up right now are worsening.


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[Assistant] Mental health outcomes and also worsening outcomes for the climate.


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[Assistant] These common causes mean that there's common systematic solutions. If we move for example from disconnection,


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[Assistant] In our, in societies between ourselves and others and us and nature to more connection, uh, we have better outcomes for mental health and also for the planet.


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[Assistant] But also within our systems, like stopping burning fossil fuels,


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[Assistant] Would improve air quality and improve the physical and mental health of millions of people worldwide. While also improving food and water security.


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[Assistant] Which also has big physical and mental health benefits.


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[Assistant] So what does this look like to have this kind of systems change?


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[Assistant] I'm going to give one example now. So we wouldn't usually think of improving the energy efficiency of housing as a mental health intervention.


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[Assistant] At the moment we're living through a cost of living crisis, exacerbated by the crisis of the war in Ukraine.


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[Assistant] But also because we haven't had enough investment in renewable energy in the past.


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[Assistant] What this means is come winter, there'll be more families struggling with the decision of whether to heat their homes or eat. This means stress parents. This means children who might not have the food and the warm home that they need.


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[Assistant] But because these things are fundamentally connected, what we can do is reverse this by properly insulating the house.


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[Assistant] This reduces the emissions from the fuel use.


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[Assistant] It also means the parents are less stressed and money is less typed.


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[Assistant] Uh, including things like increased provision of green and blue spaces or more walking and cycling facilities with less air pollution from car traffic.


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[Assistant] Reduce inequalities we see in the children and young people exposed to these challenges, uh, which are primarily poorer and people of color.


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[Assistant] But also that has numerous benefits for their mental and physical health.


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[Assistant] And the IPCC and others are very helpfully outlined, if you go to the next slide, the range of policies that have these dual benefits.


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[Assistant] And again, you have these slides to look through this later at your leisure.


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[Assistant] But what we see is for any of these system level policies,


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[Assistant] It's not only reductions in emissions, but mental health and wellbeing that vastly stand to benefit.


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[Assistant] So beyond needing climate action urgently to safeguard a livable future for children and young people.


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[Assistant] This climate action itself can transform society.


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[Assistant] In ways that will vastly benefit the mental health and wellbeing of these children and young people.


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[Assistant] But more than that, these also depend on each other.


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[Assistant] So in summary, we need to account for the impacts of climate on children and young people's mental health.


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[Assistant] In ways that there is sometimes limited awareness and these costs are hidden, but these benefits are also hidden.


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[Assistant] And we need to take this into account and advocate for this in mitigating and adapting.


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[Assistant] Climate action is mental health action at all levels of society.


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[Assistant] They're also codependent. They rely on each other.


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[Assistant] In ways that global mental health is already saying we need for children and young people's mental health.


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[Assistant] So even if we didn't have a climate emergency, these things are good mental health and wellbeing policy.


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[Assistant] So how do we get there? I realize we're short on time, but I'm now going to try and outline what you can do. And again, you're going to have these slides to look back on later.


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[Assistant] To come back to that idea of a connected ecosystem.


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[Assistant] If you think of yourself as an individual practitioner and this comes from a paper that's coming out in a special issue of the international review of psychiatry.


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[Assistant] That's looking at the lived experience of, uh, mental health practitioners trying to cope with


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[Assistant] And act on climate themselves in their lives and their practice.


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[Assistant] You'll see that people are thinking of themselves as...


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[Assistant] In ways that are independent but also connected, we come back to this idea of a network.


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[Assistant] Where action in any one place can support the health of the network as a whole and across individuals, communities and systems. And that's a powerful thing.


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[Assistant] What I have outlined today in terms of the research, in terms of policy and in terms of practice, there's still a lot to learn.


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[Assistant] But again, we can borrow a lot from what we know in global mental health already, and your knowledge and expertise is vital in this space.


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[Assistant] What I have outlined is that we need a reimagined mental health system that goes beyond the clinic and into communities and into equipping young people, their families as individuals, as communities and advocating at a policy level, um, for achieving a vision


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[Assistant] That centers the flourishing of people as the central role of society's governments and healthcare systems that relies on a culture of care, as Sally Weintraub and others would argue, for people and planet.


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[Assistant] And again, this alliance with Global Mental Health is already saying the Lancet Commission on Global Mental Health and Sustainable Development said we need to work together in a network.


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[Assistant] As the Anna Freud Center does, in education, workplaces, child and youth services. And this has to target the social and environmental determinants that influence children and young people's mental health.


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[Assistant] Again, global mental health has approaches that we can borrow to scale up how we respond to the climate crisis.


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[Assistant] And this includes train the trainer models, digital mental health initiatives and things that upskill community leaders. So there's many examples of this, but solar is one of them skills for life adjustment and resilience that's shown really great promise in protecting mental health and wellbeing.


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[Assistant] In communities in Tuvalu and also communities is now being used in Australia and California after the bushfires.


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[Assistant] And so part of our strategy is to work with communities in these networks like we discussed. Next slide.


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[Assistant] You can be part of advocating and working towards sustainability and net zero mental health systems.


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[Assistant] And again, we can share resources that talk about how to be the change and lead the change. And one example is the Center for Sustainable Healthcare that looks at quality improvement frameworks that enable you to measure and with a vast range of ideas of how to move towards net zero.


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[Assistant] And think about what it really means to be sustainable and center that flourishing of people and planet. Next slide.


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[Assistant] And again, there are many examples of hope everywhere.


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[Assistant] One I will just highlight now is Shine. So I talked about energy efficiency of housing. Shine actually works with GP surgeries.


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[Assistant] And those GP surgeries refer vulnerable people who are experiencing the mental and physical effects of cold homes and fuel poverty.


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[Assistant] And Shine can then give advice on fuel debt and energy efficiency.


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[Assistant] And help residents access discounts on things like Newboy.


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[Assistant] If any of you are mental health professionals, I hope you've also seen and maybe already realizing that there's lots of things you can do in your practice and in your community.


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[Assistant] Children and young people in their families want support and validation of their experiences of climate distress. They want you to be climate aware.


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[Assistant] To continue to learn and talk about these issues with your colleagues.


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[Assistant] But understand this is not a mental illness to be worried in the face of climate catastrophe, but it can impact mental health.


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[Assistant] And so we need children and young people and their families to have those tools that you can provide. You can also do this beyond the clinic in communities and existing infrastructures.


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[Assistant] You can be part of advocating for the policies that I've described that dual consider mental health and wellbeing impacts and benefits.


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[Assistant] And again, you can advocate within the workplaces, uh, and systems for transformation and centering this sustainable practice.


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[Assistant] And again, there's lots of great links that we can share.


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[Assistant] But my colleagues at the Grantham Institute for Climate and the Environment have developed.


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[Assistant] And again, there are many communities that are really looking for support. You could work with climate cafes, you can support young activists, you can work with schools, and you can make sure that green social prescribing initiatives are linked to climate action.


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[Assistant] You can advocate for change. For example, Psych Declares, uh, was a group of psychiatrists that got the Royal College of Psychiatrists to divest from fossil fuels.


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[Assistant] We're also working with the UK Council for Psychotherapy.


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[Assistant] Who has convened mental health professional bodies across the country.


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[Assistant] To create a climate emergency mental health professionals group. To advocate as one.


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[Assistant] We're also working with Gary Belkin, our colleague in the US and Kokoro on something called a mental health cop.


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[Assistant] And this will, uh, have voices working in this space around the world to prioritize.


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[Assistant] Tyres asks to feed into the COP27 in Egypt this year and make sure mental health and wellbeing is front and centre.


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[Assistant] So less than 10% have included mental health and psychosocial support.


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[Assistant] In their national health and climate change plans. So we really have a long way to go.


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[Assistant] That ensures the co-benefits of climate action are incorporated into the way you respond to the crisis. And again, use those who are particularly vulnerable and their lived experience to guide your action.


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[Assistant] We need to consider that there's a balance between presenting climate facts


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[Assistant] That education, that need means that we need to educate people working with children and young people. We need to educate mental health professionals, teachers, parents, and make sure that those mental health skills we discussed earlier


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[Assistant] I urge you to develop or join the global networks across sectors that are emerging. And this goes for anyone working in this space.


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[Assistant] There's emerging research to help quantify the hidden costs and the benefits of climate action to mental health and wellbeing.


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[Assistant] But there's still a lot of work to be done on deciding the definitions and conceptualizations of these issues. And again, unpacking the nuance across cultures and making sure we use appropriate metrics and data.


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[Assistant] We need to map and scale up evidence-based interventions and climate cares is involved in this. And again, as always center the lived experiences and the voices of those particularly vulnerable.


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[Assistant] Climate cares is working in this space across research, education, policy and practice and intervention design.


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[Assistant] What we're doing is looking at evidence, trying to raise awareness of that evidence and also co designing solutions. Next slide.


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[Assistant] I'd like to thank everyone so much for listening. I'd like to particularly point out that my colleagues Jessica Newberry-Levay and Pitt Batey have made a huge contribution to the talk and the slides.


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[Assistant] But also my colleagues across the climate cares team and our global advisors and supporters and everyone working in this space from different sectors have been a huge part of contributing to the narratives and the examples we've shown here today.


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[Assistant] In closing, I'd like to outline that the transformation of society we need for the mental health and wellbeing of children and young people.


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[Assistant] I hope I've shown you that climate action is mental health action. They're co-dependent and co-beneficial.


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[Assistant] These things are what we need anyway, but the climate crisis makes them ever more vital.


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[Assistant] But I wanted to leave the last word with children and young people themselves.


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[Assistant] This is again from a paper that will be coming out in the International Review of Psychiatry in September. It's co-written by 23 young people around the world.


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[Assistant] And what they've said is that while the climate crisis often leads us feeling despair, we also believe


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[Assistant] A world that protects the wellbeing of people and nature around the world. We, the 23 young people,


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[Assistant] Know that it will not be easy to make these transformations, but we want to be part of efforts to make it. We want to hold onto the hope that if we work together, a more beautiful future is actually possible. So I hope you take that away with you today.


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[Assistant] I think that's a great question. Unfortunately, I don't know if I have all the answers to that.


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[Assistant] But I think part of it, uhm, that we see is making people aware of, and making the government aware that this is also a mental health crisis and a physical health crisis. So if we can make what are currently sometimes hidden costs of inaction,


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[Assistant] That are advocating for change, uhm, the, the better. And also I think mental health can understand maybe some of the, uhm, psychology of why...


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[Assistant] This is, but it's also making people aware of how, how these challenges are linked and are affecting them. You know, things like the cost of living crisis, how that is actually connected to inaction on climate as well. So if we can.


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[Assistant] Uhm, as practitioners and trusted voice, well I'm not a practitioner, but as mental health professionals, you have a very trusted voice in society.


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[Assistant] And if you can raise awareness, uhm, and advocate for those changes and make aware the huge, uhm, hidden costs on individuals and communities, I think that's part of it.


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[Assistant] But also the benefits, I guess, of action, that if we do this, there is a huge win-win. So it's, even if you didn't care about, uhm, climate change, actually making these kind of changes, uh, are beneficial anyway.


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[Assistant] If I didn't make that clear, I definitely would like to make it clear now. They're talking about


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[Assistant] Uhm, increasing connectedness, we know that connectedness, belonging, strong social connectedness, connectedness to nature.


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[Assistant] Is all, uh, very beneficial for mental health and wellbeing, can help with prevention and treatment of youth, um, uh, mental health challenges.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and contribute to the sort of positive flourishing that we want to see in communities.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so it is really about that connectedness and we see that because of connectedness in our societies, uh, any sort of challenges within one area of the network.


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[Assistant] Uhm, can spread, but what that also means is that solutions can spread.


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[Assistant] Perfect solution at the moment. I think terminology like mental health and wellbeing.


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[Assistant] Is often easily understood and actually heard, we're hearing in these kinds of discussions, people from the global south saying, well, actually.


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[Assistant] Others find them sort of problematic. I think I tried to outline that


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[Assistant] When I talk about mental health and wellbeing, I'm not just talking about, um, mental illness. When I talk about


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[Assistant] The mental health and wellbeing has to be reconceptualized in a way that ensures that we understand the health of an individual.


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[Assistant] Is part of their social and environmental


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[Assistant] Health and that we all exist within our culture and our communities and the systems in which we live. And as people have sort of said, it's not.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess, uh, this is an ongoing question really to the community of how we frame this and how we think about mental health and wellbeing and the terminology.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's used, but I think that global mental health is already saying we need to look at this wider context.


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[Assistant] For mental health, we need to look at the social and environmental determinants. And you know, many cultures around the world are saying that our health and wellbeing exists within and is seen as this holistic.


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[Assistant] Uhm, picture. And I think that hyper individualism that I have on one of the slides is a sort of common cause to some of these challenges.


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[Assistant] Does refer to, uh, sort of an over medical model that can sort of


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[Assistant] The people who have what are now sort of known as diagnosable mental illnesses, they are also more vulnerable to the effects of climate change. They're more vulnerable to the effects of heat. They're more vulnerable to these compounding inequalities. And so I also don't want to


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[Assistant] Miss that there is a vulnerable group who experience what a sort of


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[Assistant] Their illnesses, their health is also linked to this wider network, but it's important we recognise that they are being particularly impacted by climate change.


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[Assistant] Community and working together, it's, uh, you know, I just want to emphasize it's not just me, but you know, the climate cares team and all of the wonderful, um, advisors and people we work with, uh, at Imperial and externally in the UK and globally who are part of contributing to this thinking, this momentum and the change.


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[Assistant] That we hope to see. So uhm, I'm really thankful for the questions I'm spending time uhm, and I, I'm happy to answer them.


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[Assistant] Was a personality that mainstream America felt comfortable with.


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[Assistant] When he led the game off, our Rick Rusher hit a home run, I couldn't believe it. I mean, here he is leading off his first offside game, I thought he'd be nervous, and I'm asking him on deck, Bojack, you nervous? No, puck, I ain't nervous.


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[Assistant] And from that speech impediment, he would much rather stay away from people than to be around people.


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[Assistant] He made the distance between the bases smaller with his world class speed. He made the outfield fences shorter because of the greatness of his arm. He's the only player I ever saw who literally could defy the geometry of the game and so you had to be in awe of that.


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[Assistant] His first three at bats he hits home runs and his third at bat he hit one literally on the brand new light tower about 450 feet away and the ball rattles around up there and you fully expect the lights to burst just as they did in the movie The Natural.


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[Assistant] He had tried religiously to go through the proper channels and the proper process, but had been betrayed by information that came out of the Southeastern Conference Office in Birmingham.


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[Assistant] When he first showed up for the Memphis Chicks to play his first professional game, you would have thought that Elvis had come back. And this guy was almost bigger than Elvis at that point in time. He was a guy that could create mania just by being.


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[Assistant] He made the greatest throw I ever saw in Seattle to me, uh, Harold Reynolds was running.


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[Assistant] All my focus was on the picture that was painstakingly coming together in my head. I pictured Irina poised on the cliff watching. What had she seen? A vampire and a werewolf who were best friends. I'd been focused on that image, one that would obviously explain her reaction. But that was not all that she'd seen. She'd also seen a child, an exquisitely beautiful child showing off in the falling snow, clearly more than human.


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[Assistant] How could she apply any other reading to what she'd seen that day in the narrow field?


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[Assistant] Minesme's rosy cheeks could have been a trick on our part for all she knew. After all, the Cullens were in league with werewolves. From Irina's point of view, maybe this meant nothing was beyond us. Irina wringing her hands in the snowy wilderness, not mourning Laurent after all, but knowing it was her duty to turn the Cullens in, knowing what would happen to them if she did.


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[Assistant] I turned and draped myself over Renesmee's sleeping body, covering her with my hair, burying my face in her curls. Think of what she saw that afternoon, I said in a low voice, interrupting whatever Emmett was beginning to say.


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[Assistant] Waiting for the icy tension in the room to relax as they realized I was right. The room just seemed to get colder. Eventually my small voice trailed off into silence. No one spoke for a long time. Then Edward whispered into my hair. It's not the kind of crime they hold a trial for, love, he said quietly. Aro's seen Irina's proof in her thoughts. They come to destroy, not to be reasoned with.


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[Assistant] But they're wrong, I said stubbornly. They won't wait for us to show them that. His voice was still quiet, gentle, velvet, and yet the pain and desolation in the sound was unavoidable. His voice was like Alice's eyes before, like the inside of a tomb. What can we do? I demanded. Renesmee was so warm and perfect in my arms, dreaming peacefully.


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[Assistant] Worried that she would only have little over a decade of life. That Tara seemed ironic now. Little over a month. Was this the limit then? I'd had more happiness than most people ever experienced.


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[Assistant] Because the owners are not savages. They are men too, like us.


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[Assistant] How will we get power then? From the air? No, from a union of all the men. Union, is it?


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[Assistant] Our heavenly father, I give thanks from the heart to live this day. I give thanks for all I have, and I do give thanks for this new blessing. For you are our father, but we look to our queen as our mother. Comfort her in her troubles, O God, and let her worries be not more than she shall bear at her age. And grant that sweetness and power and spirit


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[Assistant] Now then, Hugh, what will it be? To Cardiff to school? Then the university? To be a lawyer, is it, or a doctor?


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[Assistant] There's a lot of old jailbirds then. Oh, leave it now, Beth. I only want the best for the boy.


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[Assistant] I'm thinking of the boy's future. It was different in our day. There was good money and fair play for all. But you is a scholar. Why take brains down a coal mine?


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[Assistant] Alright. Decide for yourself.


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[Assistant] Marie, thanks you for being such a- Microbruz!


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[Assistant] Guys, I'm glad Baker's out of town. I'm sick of Baker. He played decent football, to be fair. Decent football. He was much better than anything the Browns have had for 20 years.


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[Assistant] But as I saw somebody, I think it was Ben Axelrod on Twitter, who was commenting on all the lauding of Baker, people want, somebody wrote a column about how we should, Baker's one of the game changers in Brown's history, because he's the best quarterback since 99, so should we have been lauding,


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[Assistant] It's time, it was time for him to move on. And now we can create the drama of now who will they replace him with. They've been, the Browns have broken the record I think for most quarterback transactions in a season. Think about this.


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[Assistant] First they traded for Deshaun Watson, then they traded away Case Keenum, then they signed Jacoby Brissette, then they signed, uh, what's his name? Josh Dobbs. Josh Dobbs, thank you. And now they've traded Baker and they still might not be done because if Watson is suspended for the year, they are probably, at the very least, going to have to make some other quarterback transaction if he's done for the year.


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[Assistant] Listen, Baker deserves some credit for the franchise heading in the right direction. But ultimately, you have to always be looking to get as good as you can at the most important position. And that's what they've done here. Baker is, I've used this comparison once before, I'll use it again for those who haven't heard it.


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[Assistant] If you are, if you're on a desert island and you're starving, and you get off that desert island and you walk into a room and there's some Little Caesar's pizza, some Domino's pizza, some Pizza Hut, that's gonna taste like the greatest food on the planet. Sure.


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[Assistant] But any intelligent pizza fan knows that you go to real pizzerias and not chain pizza even though we've lost all those sponsorships now.


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[Assistant] I just think he's average. I don't think he's a scrub. I was asked last night, is he going to be a backup in the scrub? No, I think he'll be one of these guys like Andy Dalton or, or make, you know, like


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[Assistant] You know, Mike said that there's a lot of national media saying, well, of course they're getting rid of it. There's a mix, right? A lot of the national media are saying that, like, they should have stuck with, they should have, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, they should get rid of Baker because he's not that good. But there's also a lot of people in the national media, including again, one of the guys I was on with yesterday is like, why did the Browns replace Baker? He won them their first playoff game in 30 years. I said that's a loser mentality.


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[Assistant] That's not the goal. The goal is not to win one playoff game. And again, I'm not saying, you know, Baker stinks, but that's not the goal. Why? You're right. Every other, the Niners went to the super bowl with Garoppolo and said, we're not good enough.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, let's bring Mikey McNuggets. We're doing something a little, obviously this is the first show we're doing where basically the whole show is about this baker being traded and what's next for the, for the Browns. So we're going to do it a little differently today. Mikey McNuggets is going to throw a bunch of questions at us along the way and it's time for your first question, Mikey. What do you got?


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[Assistant] That is a good question. I still think it's the Browns. Obviously Baker is better than Jacoby Brissette. And if Jacoby Brissette


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[Assistant] Because he's not a quarterback that's lifting up the rest of the team. The rest of the team's got to lift up the quarterback. And if Jacoby Brissette just doesn't make mistakes. Right. You know, if he hands the ball off.


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[Assistant] Plus guys, tons of continuity on the Browns outside of the quarterback in the wide and Amari Cooper. The defense is basically the same with a couple of small additions. All the coaching staff has unchanged, right? And you think about it, Carolina's only really good skilled position player is McCaffrey, who's been injured a lot the last two years.


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[Assistant] Is because like me, he's Jewish. And he's the, like, there's no Jewish quarterback. I mean, there's barely any Jewish football players, period. But there's no Jewish, the last Jewish quarterback I believe was Jay Fiedler. For the Dolphins, remember him. And so I'm like, we gotta have one. We gotta have one of my guys.


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[Assistant] By the way, BetOnline, uh, had the Browns, the Panthers' odds of winning the division, winning the NFC, winning the Super Bowl as worse after the trade. Which surprised me.


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[Assistant] Now I think that's, I don't know why they did that, that doesn't make any sense to me, but even the services that changed it in a positive way, it wasn't a significant difference.


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[Assistant] A few months ago I tweeted, I don't see the point of Panthers trading for Baker because it doesn't move the needle in terms of playoffs. But people went nuts, you don't think he's better than Sam Darnold? Of course I think he's better than Sam Darnold. I just think it's not enough of a difference that the Panthers are significantly better. But I do think they are better.


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[Assistant] Who's a free agent right now. Who was in a former MVP. But.


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[Assistant] He's been awful the last two years. Cam Newton? Does Cam Newton make any sense for the Browns?


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[Assistant] Does he have Tybus? Does he have anything left in the tank? This, it's not that long ago that this guy was still a high level player.


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[Assistant] But let's say they go after Garoppolo. They can't get him. Would you consider Cam Newton?


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[Assistant] Cam Newton has started 25 games, uh, two games in 19 with Carolina, 15 for New England in 2020. And then Carolina, again, last year he started five games, played a total of eight. And in those 22 games, roughly, he has thrown 12 touchdowns and 16 picks.


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[Assistant] If the, if, if Watson is suspended for the season.


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[Assistant] If you're the Browns who have already made five quarterback transactions this offseason, are you aggressively going after Jimmy Garoppolo? No, you're out on Garoppolo.


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[Assistant] Good question. In fact, yesterday, it kind of got lost for us in the Baker trade, but there was a report from Dan Graziano of ESPN yesterday that said the lead, now we don't know for 100% certain it's true, but Dan Graziano is pretty credible from ESPN.


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[Assistant] Let me just defend, Mikey wants to ask a question, I'm sorry, I know, but I gotta throw this in there really quickly, Roy. Because the one thing I'll say to defend Jacoby Percett, and listen, to me, Jacoby Percett's a backup quarterback, I'm not trying to make him any more than he is. The one thing I'll say to defend him.


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[Assistant] And gee, I gotta throw two more in there to back up your point. Number one, the Lions game.


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[Assistant] When they barely won against the awful Lions team, okay, but he was angry after the game. He, that was about, he was angry because he didn't play well. He didn't talk. The team won, that's all that should matter. He didn't talk to the media. He was angry. And the, I'm surprised he didn't bring this one up. To me this is a big one that gets overlooked.


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[Assistant] Aditi, do you think, it's interesting that there was, that nobody was sure. I guess in the end he just wanted to be gone. Do you think, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Aditi, Rob Ninkovic yesterday at ESPN said Sam Darnold's gonna be the starter. Peter Schrager said yesterday it is a battle for a competition. I don't buy any of that. That could be more fodder for Baker getting fired up. Do you think he's 100% the starter this year? Or, or does he have to earn it?


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[Assistant] Right. And obviously Baker is third of that group of six. Uh, but the quote is not unfair. The quote after it I don't think is unfair. No, I agree.


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[Assistant] Browns are favored in this game. By the way, the point spread only changed two points. The Browns were favored by three, now they're favored by one. If Deshaun Watson plays in this game by some unusual chance, the Browns will be a touchdown favorite at least in this game, if not more.


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[Assistant] Let's say he, the Browns have already made five quarterback transactions this offseason, right?


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[Assistant] You're gonna, I think they'll make a sixth. At the very least, you'll have to bring in a third quarterback to go with these two guys they have. RG3. Well, I'm straight.


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[Assistant] Yes, so let's talk about Garoppolo. If, I think only if it's the whole year. I think Garoppolo makes a lot of sense for the Browns, and I think if I'm Garoppolo, I'd be, I'd be thrilled to play on the Browns, and if I'm the Browns, I'd be thrilled to have Garoppolo. He's clearly an upgrade over Brissette. I think he'd give them a better chance to win than even Baker, but let's take the Baker part out of it.


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[Assistant] Garoppolo to the Browns, do you think that happens if Watson's suspended for the year?


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[Assistant] Intimated. Intimated. You said intimidated his mother.


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[Assistant] So again, it's one case, but you know, that's why again, we talk about this gray area in this subject. I brought it up a bunch of times and we don't, we don't need to legislate the whole thing again. Again, the only people that knows what happened, the women and the Sean, nobody else knows the real truth, but I will tell you this. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's certainly all is, it's all gotta be taken into account. It's just another thing to the ledger of why I still think Deshaun's no way is gonna get suspended for the whole year and could be less and less. At this point, six games or less is a huge win for the Browns.


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[Assistant] Yes, he's injured all the time. He never plays all season. But when Will Fuller's on the field, he puts up big numbers. And who does he put up those big numbers from? Deshaun Watson! Two other guys who are much older.


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[Assistant] Defensive tackles, Dominic and Sue. Top of the board. Top of the board. Dominic and Sue. You know, uh, I'm going to screw up this guy's last name. Star Latulehi. I don't know if I screwed it up. You know that guy? He was in the Bills last year. He got drafted by Carolina, right?


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[Assistant] And then I'll throw this guy out there. I know it ended bad for him with the brows, but he was still pretty good. Sheldon Richardson. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Maybe he's got- Is he available? Yes. And I'll give you one other guy. Your boy. Richard Sherman.


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[Assistant] Well, your reaction first when Baker got traded yesterday. I know you've been kind of with Brad and Jay about, hey, if he's still here, let him play. What did you think when they traded him yesterday?


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[Assistant] Dequel's definitely right, but I also think a big factor in 10 years from now is going to be


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[Assistant] How good Deshaun, how much success Deshaun Watson had subsequently, right? Like, let's say the Browns go to Super Bowl in the next five years. Yes.


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[Assistant] By the way, I think we, we, I, I think Robbie Anderson's hairstyle, like I need to have that hairstyle. How good would that look? Me with Robbie Anderson's hair? No, not at all.


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[Assistant] You know, obviously the first game stands out. Obviously the playoff win over the Steelers stands out. But the first thing I thought of was...


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[Assistant] You know, I've been very critical, I think a lot of people have been very critical of the fact that Baker


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[Assistant] Almost never came through late in the game, fourth


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[Assistant] Baker hit, uh. DPJ. DPJ. Back shoulder failure. Down the sideline. Perfect throw. It was a great throw. That was the clutchest moment I thought of Baker's Brown's career. That kind of stands out to me.


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[Assistant] Ultimate top 5. Top 5, whatever we're calling it these days.


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[Assistant] He was incredible that game. Nothing else he could say. For sure. The Bengals did have the worst defense maybe in the history of football that year, but I'm not.


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[Assistant] Bob Bell had a big year this past year. Yea, he did. Played really well. Go ahead. Let's keep it moving. Number four.


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[Assistant] But to be fair to Tim Couch, Baker had way much more talent around him than Tim Couch did.


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[Assistant] That was well said. Yup. You know, I also am a little sentimental for Baker and the Baker Bros. So let me, let me talk to the Baker Bros. I, I, I owe the Baker Bros an apology. I'm being very serious here.


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[Assistant] You know, I have been hard on Baker, especially the last year. I have been hard on the Baker bros. Uhm, I have been dismissive of Baker's success.


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[Assistant] Yesterday, I was on my podcast, I was basically singing in excitement for Baker leaving, and a few people on Twitter got upset with me, and I hate to offend.


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[Assistant] No, only I finished yours yesterday. And today is shortcake day with Bronn. I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] But, Braun, would you have me to live in this house and have my wages? Your home is with your mother. It was she who sent me. From pity? No, from sense. If you put clothes night and morning, let them be my clothes.


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[Assistant] Come further in, come further in, right in here, we're not safe in the open.


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[Assistant] There's no one here but ourselves. There are the trees, said the beaver. They're always listening.


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[Assistant] Most of them are on our side, but there are trees that would betray us to her.


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[Assistant] Poor fellow, he got wind of the arrest before it actually happened and handed this over to me.


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[Assistant] He said that if anything happened to him, I must meet you


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[Assistant] Uslan is on the move, perhaps has already landed.


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[Assistant] I must bring you where we can have a real talk and also dinner.


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[Assistant] At last, to think that ever I should live to see this day, the potato


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[Assistant] You can pick up all the kendamas that you need there. They cost between, uh, about $16 and $35. And as well as that, you can get no jumper merchandise. You could get a shirt that says Rope Gang. That's got me and Getter and Nick Coletti, except that our heads are on sperms.


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[Assistant] This episode only. 10% off. We've never done this before. I've actually haven't even thought about doing this before. 10% off. The code. TonyTheCat. Let's do it. No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. Slightly awkward pause right there. I don't know why I did that. China, how you doing?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I got introduced to you a while ago. I'm a fan of the music for sure. You're an East Coast warrior. Thank you. If you will. Philadelphia. Yes.


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[Assistant] So, do you identify as like a real deal?


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[Assistant] Philly chick or do you feel like you're kind of overall East coast girl or are you a New Yorker at this point too?


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[Assistant] Really? What is it like out there? I don't really know the sides or anything.


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[Assistant] Okay, that means you're almost exactly, well, probably almost exactly 10 years younger than me.


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[Assistant] Graduated in 2002, it was like you leave the assembly and you just put on some Blink 182 and you just listen to it as you drive away and you drive off into the sunset and that's it.


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[Assistant] You're still stuck in 2007. For me, 2007 was like, dip said, end of G unit, uh, that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] For some reason, I feel like Nojumper is maybe like the main place where like the connection between like rap and metal gets explored because I never hear anyone else talk about it, but then constantly I have rappers on here who are like,


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[Assistant] Genuine metal fans or at least had like a serious metal stage.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just keep getting put on the more and more Asian hip hop and I just keep, I keep watching it and I keep being like, alright, but I don't really feel like I understand it, but I guess really why would I?


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[Assistant] Did you feel like what hip-hop was in your family or in your neighborhood or what?


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[Assistant] It's totally understandable. Do you have like a relationship to like Philadelphia rap in any way, or is that- Oh yea, of course. Okay, you do.


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[Assistant] Something like Matt Ox came in and did this podcast and he had a guy with him and like...


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[Assistant] Yes, I do. I've been shouting Jack Frost out on this podcast and I don't know why, like talked to him on MySpace in like 2005. That's his shit, oh. Beards in the building.


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[Assistant] Wait, so your parents are real cool hip-hop fans, but like...


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[Assistant] Did you think this started to feel some type of way when you started like going in the mosh pit?


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[Assistant] I probably would have gone to more rap shows as a kid if I- Well actually, you know what? Those probably were all white kids too. I don't really even know. See, that's the problem. It's all white people going to shows, isn't it?


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[Assistant] No, I guarantee that like, in like 2002, Ludacris was playing at the Worcester Palladium, but it's like, did I care about going to that? No. That's why I feel good for kids now, it's like they have like cool underground rap scenes pretty much everywhere, because of the internet.


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[Assistant] Was there a certain point where you started to be like, okay, I'm interested in hip hop more so, or when, when did you start rapping or making music at all?


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[Assistant] And where'd you record it and what was it about?


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[Assistant] And did it start doing well that made you want to go do a video for it and everything?


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[Assistant] But was that the start of everything? Like that was when people actually started to like talk to you and like treat you like as a serious musician?


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[Assistant] Right. Is that like the problem with being a girl in rap is that like every other like girl is like, well not every other girl, but there's a lot of the roles in hip hop are being played by women and they're not necessarily the


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[Assistant] Boss roles, they're like, there's so many video girls around.


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[Assistant] To even like, get people to treat you serious as a girl who's actually trying to rap.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And if you found out a dude didn't write his raps, you'd be, well, not horrified, but you'd be like shocked. Like you'd think that was very, that's quite out of the ordinary. Whereas like, but I'm not sure what percentage, like I definitely know girls who don't write their own raps, even like underground rappers, like a couple of them, but I'm not sure how common that is or if that's common throughout the history of rap. I don't know.


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[Assistant] You know, you always hear that about the industry, but I feel like I don't really know that many rappers who have, who I know that they don't write their stuff because I feel like I only hang out with like relatively underground people for the most part. Who are at that stage where they still are writing their own stuff, I guess. I don't know. Damn, we gotta swap a list later. You can tell me who ain't writing their own shit. You got a list in your phone? No, I just, you know.


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[Assistant] That's the ultimate, like, industry gossip is who doesn't write their own raps and who's gay. That's, those are the lists in my phone. Just kidding. Uhm, wait, so, you do the selfie song.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's weird because I think a lot of people want to be in ours, but it's almost impossible to get that kind of job unless you have a track record and it's almost impossible to get a track record unless you do something that's like completely impossible, like break an artist like Rocky from the ground up, which he did. Like that's like, that doesn't happen very often.


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[Assistant] But that's, I mean, hey, that was a good way to cheat your way into the A&R game real quick. Not cheat, but. So was that early though? Was that like, Rocky's already been out and everything and so you already like know about Yams when he got in touch with you?


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[Assistant] God, it's so weird when you start hanging out with people who just chop and screw shit all the time and you be listening to it like that.


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[Assistant] God, I got one homie who does that and that shit fucks me up. He had me listen to the same Weezer song, Chopped and Screwed, for like a whole week, you know?


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[Assistant] Was that white? Oh, okay, cool. I'm glad we're on that same page. Look at my giant white cat walking up too. This could get a lot more white.


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[Assistant] And actually the other day I was like filming an ad and he jumped up and puked all over the table. Oh.


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[Assistant] Well, I hope he doesn't do that to you. Wait, so you said people would always approach you about the modeling thing. Were you trying to like do the modeling thing early on? Because it seems like probably you would have people asking about it even if you didn't try.


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[Assistant] Like, oh, she could be on a billboard, but you're, it's illegal to have sex with her for four or five years.


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[Assistant] I mean like, I feel like that story sounds like kinda motivational in a way, like woah, you were an incredibly successful model at a young age. Did that, did it feel that way at the time?


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[Assistant] Uhm, wait, so was there a moment where you just like stopped doing the modeling thing where you're like, I'm over this?


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[Assistant] You're gonna join the military? I'm like, and you had an active modeling career at 14? Like, there's a lot of strange stuff going on here, I'm gonna be totally honest with you.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's nothing. Cause think about it, 2500 bucks, I guarantee I would have spent that on glasses, contacts, contact solution over the course of like 7-8 years, you know?


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[Assistant] Uh, it's actually super fucking weird, they like strap your eye open and then they take this laser and they just like sheer off a little tiny part of your eye and you know like if you were to burn your hair it has that very distinct smell? Well it smells like that because it's still like burning skin.


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[Assistant] And so it's really creepy to think that your eye is making a smell that smells like burning hair.


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[Assistant] But then, oh, the worst part about it was that it was raining. I'm in the middle of Manhattan and I like got in a cab and it's raining. I can't see.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're thin, but you seem like you're at a pretty healthy body weight right now. Like not like absurdly. Oh, you were, but you were a lot lighter then.


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[Assistant] If you weigh 120, that'd be hard. Damn, that's crazy. So is this kind of like upsetting at the time?


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[Assistant] Nice. There's a lot of people just kind of like, not a lot, but like certain people are just born with that insatiable desire to fly large aircrafts. I've known a few dudes like that over the years where that's just what they want out of life.


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[Assistant] Ugh, crazies. Alright, so you're incredibly hurt and frustrated by the fact that not only can you not join the military and Meshuggah won't let you join the band, but so then what do you decide to do?


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[Assistant] And so, what we're, after like that first video and stuff, when does...


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[Assistant] Right. What year was it? 2013? 14? Okay.


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[Assistant] That's when it really started to merge back together a little bit, right?


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[Assistant] Interesting. Do you feel like that's kind of the move for like a young rapper to like


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[Assistant] Do like a serious management type company early on? Were they trying to like really mold you since you were at such an early stage in your career?


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[Assistant] What, what like culturally, what stood out to you that was like particularly shocking?


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[Assistant] Tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank essentially like there's family and like where I grew up is just like what, what would you possibly do to have that much money and wouldn't you just leave as soon as you got it, right?


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[Assistant] In my mind, I can't imagine what anybody's doing in Philly that isn't just like, sort of hanging out.


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[Assistant] I have no idea like what businesses are thriving in Philly or anything, I don't know.


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[Assistant] There is a lot of food. I've seen you eating sandwiches in like two separate interviews today that I watched of you. Both of them, you got like a huge hoagie.


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[Assistant] Is that, is that really the thing or is that just what people want you to think about Philly?


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[Assistant] I think I wasted a lot of my calories like during the time that I've like been spending time in Philly in my life eating cheese steaks from Wawa.


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[Assistant] I'm just picturing you as like a 14 year old model, wearing a Meshuggah shirt, stealing the little hummus cup with the pretzels or something from Wawa.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, they need to be everywhere. Yeah. Oh, it's all fucked up on the east coast. It's like Dunga Donuts isn't an- isn't over here like it should be.


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[Assistant] We do, but very limited. There's like seven in LA and they're all brand new. They're all from like the last couple years.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm really not trying to eat donuts at this point in my life. I'm trying to like lose weight so like donuts aren't really on the menu. Thank you, Lena. Uhm, but...


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[Assistant] I don't know, there's a lot of like donut places out here that are very, very like gourmet, you know, high-end delicacy type places, but they have that everywhere. I feel like, you know, you go to New York and there's like a bakery every couple blocks that's like a $5 cupcake and there's, you know, that's, that's just the thing now is convince people like, look at this incredibly expensive piece of sugar.


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[Assistant] Somehow that makes me feel like I understand you better too now that I know that you subscribed to Buzzfeed on YouTube.


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[Assistant] It's interesting to me because BuzzFeed has kind of got this reputation for being this like mega liberal like crazy place online, but I've been, I've been watching BuzzFeed since like it first first launched. Like I don't know why, but for some reason I've known about it since like day one. So I'm always interested to see where it goes.


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[Assistant] For Donald Trump, anyone, so you're very happy.


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[Assistant] God, it's so fucking crazy too to think that like, the whole state could be like corrupted by that, the way it works, you know? Fuck that electoral college. Yea, that shit is...


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[Assistant] They gotta get rid of that, but they'll never get rid of it because like the person in power has always won because of it.


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[Assistant] So they're not going to change the rules because that's how they won.


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[Assistant] Sucks. And never has that been more true than Trump.


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[Assistant] We were talking about wawa, we were talking about cheesesteaks.


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[Assistant] Have you ever had an ex in the game, like a boyfriend type character who sort of had like an impact on your rap career in any way? Was that ever like a guiding force? Because that's how I know you in the first place.


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[Assistant] Okay, you're talking about angry songs after the fact?


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[Assistant] See, you know, because I was thinking earlier, I'm like, you know, I'm definitely not going to say...


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[Assistant] The dude's name, but then I'm listening to your SoundCloud today and I hear you like basically calling him out describing, describing him so, so obviously that I'm like, Oh, okay. I guess this ain't too secret.


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[Assistant] But when you said the FTP and Ralph Lauren line, I was just like, oh my god, that's hilarious.


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[Assistant] I don't even know if he went to jail, just he's like super clean now, he's not on any drugs or anything, so I'm like, oh damn, he must have gone to jail or something. I guess I just assumed.


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[Assistant] Is that weird though? Do you feel like that kind of like undermines how people view your rap career?


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[Assistant] Do things come up? You ever get in an argument and then you just like start recording diss tracks about each other? No?


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[Assistant] But is it kinda weird because it's like, ah man, rappers are such egotistical creatures, you know? It's hard for them to coexist, basically, is how I put it.


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[Assistant] You know that thing that happens when you're hanging out with somebody who raps and you play some other rapper and then you realize that it's like, they don't view that rapper like you do where you're just like, oh, this is a good song.


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[Assistant] You're like, no, they view that as like, that's one of many people who are coming from my spot. A little bit of that.


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[Assistant] Is there a code? Do you feel strongly that after you're in a relationship that you should like not air out parts of it or not speak publicly about it? Is that important to you?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, ideally. Is that like the longest relationship you had in your life?


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[Assistant] How do you feel about dating at this point in your life? Is that like detrimental to your career the way you view it?


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[Assistant] That's true. It's hard, like, I think, well, for a rapper girl, woman,


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[Assistant] A regular guy who's a manager of Foot Locker to like understand what she's going through.


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[Assistant] Even, even just this, even just all the guys that she's gonna be around that are gonna probably hit on her. That's usually it.


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[Assistant] Like from your perspective, it's like not only am I dealing with how hard it is to be a woman in the music industry, but I'm also dealing with


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[Assistant] This guy that I'm dating, probably assuming that I'm doing a worse job than I actually am at dealing with those situations. If you end up with an insecure little fucking fuckboy, right?


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[Assistant] You know, there's a lot of truths to that. That's very, very true. A year or two in, that's when you start throwing a plate at her head.


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[Assistant] No, that's true. You think the year is like the mark though? Cause I think that that's kind of the question too is a lot of people show their whole hand like, you know, two weeks in and you realize like, oh, this girl's a psychopath. Okay.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're getting into sort of a controversial ter- terrain here, but I've said to dudes before, like, cause you know, there'll be-


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[Assistant] They're like 19, they're trying to make it as a skateboarder, a BMX rider, whatever, and they're like, just losing their mind over this girl, and I'm like, bro.


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[Assistant] You ever feel like you've been in that position though where you have a guy just sort of using you for like beer money and a couch or something?


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[Assistant] You gotta hold yourself to a certain standard as a female rapper. Because you stand out as a symbol of like how all these other little girls should be handling themselves, right? You ever feel like that? Like you have to be a role model kind of? It's over for that.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's good. But do you feel comfortable like really documenting like all the stuff that you have going on in your life? Like when you talk about doing drugs and stuff, does that sort of strike you as like a decision?


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[Assistant] Do you feel like, like the rap thing? Cause you were saying you wanted to be a writer early on, right?


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[Assistant] Takes care of the part of your soul that needed to be a writer? Like does it fill that gap?


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[Assistant] Well in a song too, it's like you have like a relatively limited amount of space to say what you want to say. Whereas like if you were going to try to write a book, it's like you could just write forever. It's not like you're going to feel like you have to stop at a certain point, right?


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[Assistant] You know, I kinda think that too, because it's like kinda harder to appreciate poetry once you have an appreciation for rap, which is like, yea, like let's, this is a format, this is how long it takes, this is where it's gonna fit in, this is what this weird thing called a hook is gonna appear, and that's gonna make it catchy as people listen to it.


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[Assistant] This is the cover art. The cover art has to be anime. It has to be like a screenshot from an anime and uhm, you have to talk about Zans.


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[Assistant] It's like, at a certain point, it's like, okay, are you all gonna wear a Supreme shirt? Like, are you all gonna mention Zans? It's just weird.


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[Assistant] You don't believe that? I bought some fake Zans the other day. See what I mean? Shit is crazy.


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[Assistant] Find a girl with a script. You gotta find a girl with a script. I know a girl I could go see in the valley right now, I got thirty fucking big fat green zans off her, no problem, I guarantee they're real.


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[Assistant] Those, they have names? These are like- These are crystals. What do they do? I don't know anything about this. You gotta tell me.


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[Assistant] That'd be great. I'd like to see more people with rocks around their neck. Crystals, sorry.


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[Assistant] One time I did acid in this girl, I want to stop talking about crystals the whole time now and it kind of drove me crazy. Yeah, at a certain point I was like, I just don't want to hear about the rocks anymore.


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[Assistant] One time the girl went and shut up about the fucking crystals, so that was... And then the other time I vlogged it and I got like a million views.


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[Assistant] Yeah, which is weird. Well, my friend had to like film the second half of it because I was no longer capable of like, I didn't know who I was anymore.


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[Assistant] But it's like the trendy ass mountain that like everybody goes and climbs.


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[Assistant] Griffith, Griffith Park or some shit. We climbed up to that, which is also like, that was a weird thing is like, maybe don't run up a mountain while you're on acid because I got very out of breath and it really started to think I was going to overheat and die.


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[Assistant] Every rapper says 300. I think I might be the first time to interview a guest 300.


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[Assistant] You know, seasoned is a good word for it. What uh, you live in New York now, full time?


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[Assistant] It's such a thing though, like going to New York and being like that, that kind of like 19 year old and just sort of like going with the flow and trying to meet people and everything. And then at a certain point you're like, well, actually maybe I want to have a bed.


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[Assistant] That's a little question though is, can you...


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[Assistant] Maintain that like creative 19 year old, I'm in Williamsburg for the first time.


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[Assistant] And then also like transition into being an adult at a certain point as well.


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[Assistant] So, what's your relationship like with the rest of the ASAP mob? Like you had this initial like meeting with Yams. I've always kind of thought of you as that sort of like a fringe, not a member, but somebody who sort of like came up around the same time that they were, you know, sort of associated with them. Dash too, you know, sort of like that general era of like East Coast hip hop, right?


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[Assistant] It's weird cause they were like the last like big significant New York rap movement.


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[Assistant] Yeah, who since then? Like Bobby Schwerner had his little spark, but that didn't work out.


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[Assistant] Damn, six years is a long ass time. Seven years, however, till he gets up. That's rough.


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[Assistant] Who do you, who do you actually, okay, I went on your SoundCloud today, I noticed that you shared a 21 Savage bank account.


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[Assistant] And I was like, that's really cool of her. Cause like, I love that song and I'm glad that like as I'm listening to her songs, I can listen to one of my other favorite songs right now. It's nice.


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[Assistant] Who else do you listen to besides 21 Savage who you're apparently a huge fan of?


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[Assistant] That's so bizarre that he was such an early introduction to rap for you.


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[Assistant] That's just like, a strange place to start, hip hop wise.


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[Assistant] Right. Sometimes I feel like a lot of other people have thought about this a lot more than me.


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[Assistant] I just know that somebody told me, somebody who I definitely believe told me that takeoff


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[Assistant] Does not have very much creative involvement and that's why you very rarely see him like doing a hook. He's...


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[Assistant] You know? And I was like, damn, that kinda actually makes sense to me. Yeaah, he doesn't seem like he's as up in it as the other guys. But, I mean, you're saying you like a traditionalist, you know?


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[Assistant] That was the first one. Oh, wasn't wire on the album? But there was a mixtape, right?


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[Assistant] Where do you feel like you're at in the rap game right now? Where is your career at and where do you want to take it?


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[Assistant] Because it's like hanging out in the studio smoking weed and drinking lean is like kinda part of the job.


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[Assistant] It's very easy for that to like, take over the rest of it. Not, not that it's part of the job, but it's something that would be considered very ordinary to do at your job.


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[Assistant] So it's like, you know, can you toe the line when you get involved? That's what's weird. The more I hang out with rappers, the more I have to start turning down drugs. If you're around rappers every day, all of a sudden you gotta say no to Xans every day. Or at least most of the Xans.


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[Assistant] Sands are huge in general. I guess lean is kind of the one that's like specifically like a rap drug. Like you'd never hear someone talk about lean if they weren't like a rapper or interrap. Never.


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[Assistant] You talk about Lean, I'm like on the, oh, I was just in Boston hanging out with this dude, uh, who I interviewed who like used to be a heroin addict and I mentioned Lean and he's baffled by the concept of it. He's like, what the fuck are they doing? I told him how much it costs. He's like, what? Yeah.


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[Assistant] That is my name. That's your real name? Oh, okay, good. That's good. Because I've kind of noticed that...


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[Assistant] There's a lot of rap girls who are not a lot, but I was thinking about that girl Asian Doll, and I was like, okay, we got Asian Doll, we got China.


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[Assistant] No, I'm just kidding. I like it. I just feel like, I feel like sometimes, like the more of a hypebeast a person is, the more likely it is that they're gonna pretend that they have like a genuine interest in UK rap. And like a lot of times I find like that those are people who are just like straight bullshitting.


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[Assistant] You kinda know what I mean. It's like, okay, I feel the same way about...


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[Assistant] In like the 90s and shit when there would be like super lyrical rappers to the extent where you couldn't even understand a fucking word that they were saying. And then people would be like, I fucking love that shit. And I'm like, yes, because you don't actually like rap. You like the kind of rap where you don't understand what the fuck they're saying. That's why you like it.


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[Assistant] And it's like, you like that because you, I thought, okay, I felt the same way. I had a girlfriend when I was 19, and she hated rap, and then Jay-Z, uh, who was it that remixed, uh, Danger Mouse remixed it and called it the Grey album, and, and,


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[Assistant] Or no, what was it though? Yeah, the Greyhound. I mean, mixed in all the Beatles samples and she loved that. And I'm like, yes, exactly. You love that because you don't actually like this.


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[Assistant] It was very popular at the time, I have to say the Grey album was really popular.


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[Assistant] But I personally was like, why the fuck am I gonna listen to the black album a bunch more times just so I can hear a stupid Sgt. Pepper sample in the background?


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[Assistant] It doesn't do it for me. God, you know, as long as I'm just hating, you know what I hate it too? Remember when Diplo put out that remix, uh, that album of all Gucci songs and he remixed it and made them all EDM'd out?


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[Assistant] Oh really? I had a couple sips. Holy shit. Didn't know. Oh a couple sips.


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[Assistant] We're not talking the OG recipe, obviously. That's like axe.


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[Assistant] You might want to hire a maid sometime next time you get a chick. Cause somebody shoulda knew about those four locals.


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[Assistant] I don't think I can pull anything like that. Like if I throw away a McDonald's wrapper in my trash can at my mom's house, the next day she's gonna be like, that's a McDonald's, huh?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was cool because like the caffeine would carry you for a long time, but then like I had like at least one night where I was like


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[Assistant] I went to somebody's house and then the caffeine wore off and it just hit me like, oh you're so drunk.


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[Assistant] Compared to like a fuckin' beer that's like 3%, I think.


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[Assistant] That would be a really weird way for us to spend the rest of the nights if we all got a bunch of four locos. No? No?


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[Assistant] Well, if you dump a 5 hour energy in it, I'm pretty sure it's almost exactly the same thing as what you used to buy on the shelf.


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[Assistant] You don't see them anymore? They got em, like, probably every 7-Eleven, they got a whole rack of those little fucking plastic containers.


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[Assistant] You want to know an interesting conversation? I thought it was interesting. I was having my friend the other day.