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[Assistant] In, in, you know, he had been a guy who threw 93.


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[Assistant] Early in the game, I actually thought Castillo looked better. The first three innings, the Guardians couldn't touch Castillo. Whatever they got on base in those first couple of innings, it was, it was like a blooper. And the first inning, Kluber, uh, Kluber, Bieber looked a little vulnerable. He gave a couple of hard hits. And then there was a big play, first and second one out, I think it was Mitch Hanniger was up.


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[Assistant] And he had a lot, a bullet, but it went right to second base and they got out of the inning.


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[Assistant] And, well, they eventually got out of the inning with the next batter. And then Bieber was just on lockdown the rest of the game. And Castillo...


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[Assistant] Uh, kinda lost his mojo in the fourth inning when Naylor hit the home run off him. And the game turned from there. Only 83 pitches though, Bull.


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[Assistant] Besides the velocity being down a little bit and, and hopefully, you know, it's still early in the season so it could, some guys it can build back up.


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[Assistant] Uh, I love everything else I'm seeing. His movement is fantastic. His fast, I mean like, some guys.


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[Assistant] He, I mean, again, we'll see better lineups going forward. The Mariners have a decent, you know, it's an okay lineup, especially near the top. And, uh, so I love what I'm seeing for him. That's the only little bit of concern I have, but through two starts, he's pitched ridiculously well. And by the way, in 2020, he won the Cy Young.


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[Assistant] It does feel like the batters are having a hard time seeing the ball out of his hand. Yeaah. Because as you said,


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[Assistant] They're taking, they're taking some good pitches and they're swinging at some bad pitches. That's when you know your mechanics are right.


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[Assistant] But there's no tell. There's no distinct giveaway that he's throwing. He looks exactly the same, and he's just...


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[Assistant] You never see him show emotion, but he got kind of fired up there. Yeaah, he's loud. Yeaah, I mean, listen, they needed it because the rest of the rotation, first time through, didn't pitch particularly well. And so getting off to this good start, it'd be nice if they could win this series in Seattle and take the rubber game today, but, uh.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's an edge for Seattle in that matchup. Kirby's really good.


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[Assistant] Uh, when I say he's been phenomenal in the last two years, and he did pitch great in his first start for Seattle. Logan Allen gave up the two home runs to J.D. Davis in his first start, and he's, you know, on paper, not including Carrasco, of course, is their worst pitcher, I think.


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[Assistant] Uh, I give the edge to Seattle in this pitching matchup, so the Guardians are going to need to get the bats going, which they did for those five runs off of Castillo.


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[Assistant] And how much they, they are locked in beyond opening day is a lot of times as silly as it sounds based on how the guardians perform on opening day.


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[Assistant] Because there's, there are some fans that don't watch games regularly. And maybe they'll, this is the first game they've seen and it's opening day and if the Guardians don't do anything offensively on opening day, right now the weather's supposed to be decent for opening day.


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[Assistant] I was watching that game at Dustin's brother's house, and his brother has a pool.


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[Assistant] I didn't like that Hedges is starting his third game of catcher, but if they're going to do that, at least have Bo Naylor at DH, which obviously they did yesterday. So Naylor's now played four out of six. I want to see him play five out of every six games. And if that means he DHs a few times, that's fine.


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[Assistant] Uh, he got off to a slow start in those, in the, in Oakland, but he's played really, he's had two good games in a row. He's 4-7 in the series now. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. Listen, he's one of their best chances to have an unproven spot.


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[Assistant] Become a, a, a strength, right? The Guardians don't have a lot of strengths in their lineup. And so far...


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[Assistant] You know, shortstop, Rokio's off to a really good start, Tyler Freeman at center's off to a really good start, but Bo Naylor...


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[Assistant] You know, those guys, this is really their first real opportunity to play on a regular basis. Whereas Bo Naylor got that chance late last year and played great. And so, but coming into this year, he hasn't done it long enough, so catcher's not a sure thing. I had real high hopes for him, and that's why I want to see him play nearly every day. With catcher, he's not going to play him every day, but I want to see him catch


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[Assistant] You know, five of every seven games and then DH of six every week. That's what I'd like to see him do. And I think he will once we get deeper into the season. But I've been very impressed with what I've seen.


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[Assistant] I think early in the season that makes sense. The Guardians don't, the Guardians have a number of spots where you don't have a guy good enough to say you're gonna play every day. I think it's good rotating early. I think it'll change.


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[Assistant] Once, assuming Kyle Manzardo comes up in a few weeks. He's the one that changes the whole equation. He's going to change that because then, he's mostly going to play first. And Josh Naylor, who's not good in the field. Will mostly be a DH. Is going to play DH. And that'll make a difference because you...


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[Assistant] You know, sometimes people underrate the importance of a good defensive first baseman. A lot of people feel like, especially in the old days, it's not as much like this now, but it used to be like, ah, just throw the, the worst fielder over at first base. Like, you throw the biggest kid over there. Yeah, right. Exactly. But it's important. You're going to save a lot of runs, you know, on, on, uh, defense.


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[Assistant] And it's gonna be interesting over the next bunch of years because with the rule changes in baseball last year, but particularly the bases, right, they made the bases bigger.


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[Assistant] More stolen bases. And this was, the stolen base, not only were there more stolen bases, but the success rate of stolen bases was way up. And why that matters is because a sport that is so analytics based,


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[Assistant] Part of the reason stolen bases were disappearing, or the main reason why, uh, stolen bases were disappearing from the game, is because the percentage of success was to the point where it wasn't worth taking the chance unless it was a super fast guy. Well now, with the bigger bases, the success rate is way up.


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[Assistant] And so now the chance is worth taking it for the medium speed guy instead of just the super fast.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, the Guardians have seemed to get off to such terrible offensive starts in recent years. The fact that they're off to a good offensive start is very promising. And the fact that some of their young hitters, Naylor, Freeman, Rokey, are all off to good starts is promising. It's six games. They certainly may not keep it up. I don't want to go over the top about it, but it's a real positive


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[Assistant] Uh, it's a positive start and it is creating some buzz for the team.


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[Assistant] I love it, and I think, I think what's exciting potentially is if Chase DeLotter and, and Kyle Manzardo play well in AAA, well, uh, DeLotter's probably gonna be, I think he's in Akron.


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[Assistant] But uhm, if they play well in the minors, by some point in May, uh, and Manzardo will be up before De Lauder because Manzardo is ready to play in the majors. But eventually, let's say by June, they're both up, and now you got Manzardo at first, if he, you know, and, and Naylor at DH, and then you got De Lauder playing


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[Assistant] You know, right field maybe, Tyler Freeman in center, move on from Laureano, move on from Florial, or have Laureano as a bench guy with Brennan, and all of a sudden, then you can really be talking, cause as good as, listen, a lot of their prospects have not,


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[Assistant] Done a good job at the infield prospect. Manzardo and De Lauder are their two best offensive prospects. I feel really good about those guys both contributing. You never know.


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[Assistant] But, if all of a sudden, like, as bad as the lineup was last year, if by June you have De Lauder, Manzardo, Naylor, Freeman, Roquio all hitting, and you know Ramirez and Jimenez Aquatic good, it's a totally different team. It's a lot to ask, and it's a lot of maybes, but it's not impossible, because they all have good


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[Assistant] I think we could, I think certainly by the summer we could see that and that's potentially exciting and that's could be, you know, potentially be enough to get them in the middle of the pack offensively.


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[Assistant] And maybe Tyves' hope that the Guardians finish top 15 in home runs. It's a lot to ask, but it's not impossible. Where do they rank right now, do you know?


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[Assistant] That's good enough to win this division. If the Guardians are in the middle of the pack offensively, they're in good shape. If you tell me right now they're going to finish 17th in home runs and 14th in overall offense, I'll tell you they're going to be in the playoffs. Most likely. Most likely. Unless they have, you know, just all kinds of pitching injuries. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] That's good. Again, it's early. They've played Oakland. They've played six games. There's other teams that have only played four or five. So if you looked at...


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[Assistant] I missed that. Promo code is locked on. Promo code, spell out lock, that means you spell it out, not say it, Anthony.


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[Assistant] Uh, despite the fact they got nothing from Darius Garland yet again. The rest of the starting lineup was fantastic. Jared Allen and Evan Moley both scored 21. I think they combined for about 20 rebounds.


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[Assistant] Is he getting, like, is he making shots in the playoffs when the teams are really playing defense? That's what I need to know, G. Bush.


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[Assistant] And that's why ultimately, it's hard to get excited right now because at least if Donovan Mitchell were healthy, you'd have a chance to do something. But Mike, I look at Donovan Mitchell right now. He looked terrible in those first two games back. He had to sit out yesterday because of the knee. Like, how do you have any faith that in three weeks he's going to be ready to go in the playoffs?


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[Assistant] Everyone on the roster is up for, up on the table. Right. The problem though is, let's say he does resign, that'd be great.


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[Assistant] Then you maybe think about trading Darius Garland, but what are you going to get for him right now?


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[Assistant] Alright, let's say the Cavs get to the second round of the playoffs.


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[Assistant] And get smoked in the second round, whoever they play, which is not an unlikely scenario. Boston, Milwaukee, one of those two. In the end, if they get


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[Assistant] Punked in the second round. Do you really care that, like, will them winning in the first round be meaningful if they get punked in the second round?


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[Assistant] Good is not good enough. As a fan, you always want to win a championship. And it's always a level of disappointment. I think now, like looking back at the Brown season, it was a satisfying season to some degree.


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[Assistant] But, it's never fully satisfying unless you win a championship. You know, for me,


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[Assistant] It's different with football because every game matters so much in the regular season. But to just win, to say it's an accomplishment to win 51 games in the regular season in the NBA, that feels totally hollow. Like nobody pays attention to who wins the game. No one cares.


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[Assistant] In fact, Donovan was asked about it and he said he's not talking about it now. That was a bad sign. By the way, one thing, you mentioned, you guys mentioned LeBron. Have you seen?


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[Assistant] The podcast he's doing with, uhm. DJ Reddy. Really good.


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[Assistant] Maybe it's the one they put out this morning, but I saw a clip that I was watching yesterday.


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[Assistant] Where Lebron, or where Reddick asked him what


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[Assistant] Took you to that next level in Miami. Not him personally, but the team. And he said,


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[Assistant] I had to play much better. I didn't play well enough the first year. But, he also said, it was when Chris Bosh went out and we said to Chris Bosh, he's gotta hit that corner three. He's gotta go out and be deadly from that corner three. And once Chris Bosh was able to consistently hit that three and be a threat, that's when they went to another level. It changed the whole team.


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[Assistant] This is the interesting thing. We got into the same argument. I can't remember who I was arguing with. It might have been Adidi. It might have been Jay. About the Steelers record without TJ Watt. And Cam Hayward. And Cam Hayward. And my point is you can't prove any cause and effect.


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[Assistant] You, there's no context, you don't know who they played versus who they played, like you're not giving any of that context. To me, okay, you could turn that into something if you, we can make numbers look the way we want. That could either be a complete coincidence, because there were, while Dean Wade was out, there's a lot of other guys who haven't played well and have been hurt.


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[Assistant] Or maybe it means something. I don't know. I think Dean Wade is a non-factual.


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[Assistant] Is this a stat, like, we know the nerdy stats of baseball and football that people pay attention to. People like this stat, yes. People like this stat. And defensive rating. It has legitimacy.


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[Assistant] That's not what I said. He's the coldest to ever do it. They better not lose a game when he comes back. The Vanilla Wolf. We're going to talk more about that. We started the show with the, well, actually started this show with the breaking news. Then we went on the guardians and we're going to get back to the guardians in a second. But first, Anthony, what do you got?


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[Assistant] There you go, let's bring in Jensen Lewis from the- is he with us?


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[Assistant] We're doing good, man. It's, you know, I'm hoping...


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[Assistant] And you know this, like, there's the die-hard fan base for the Guardians, and then there's the, a large portion of the fan base that they're casual fans that come in and out.


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[Assistant] And obviously this offseason, there was not a lot of buzz created for the Guardians, for the casual fan. So my hope was they'd get off to a great start on this road trip, and by the time they came home, people would be excited. And I feel like that's happening. Now you've still got four games to go on this road trip.


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[Assistant] But the fact that the offense, I know Bieber's been lights out, but the fact that the offense is off to such a good start,


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[Assistant] Has some of the casual fans excited, which I'm excited about? Are you, I know it's way early, you can't read too much into it, but the Guardians, as you know, have had so many rough starts offensively over the years, I think it's really exciting that some of these young guys especially have gotten off to good starts. What do you, what do you think?


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[Assistant] They're just horrible. They were horrible last year, they're gonna be horrible this year. Your first year in the big leagues was 2007, right? If I remember correctly.


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[Assistant] 2007. Obviously the Indians were great that year. You guys had a great season. 2008, you were kind of middling. And then in 2009 and 10, you guys didn't win a lot of games. How tough is that? I know it's early in the season. Maybe it's not as tough. But when you get late in the year,


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[Assistant] And you know like by July that you have nothing to play for. How hard is it going to work every day?


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[Assistant] The safest bet of all the prospects for the Guardians.


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[Assistant] And, but I'm curious about his defense. I don't have enough of a feel for his defense. Because, you know, as, as much as we love Naylor, he's not the best defensive first baseman. And is, do you expect when Manzardo comes up to him to be the primary first baseman with Naylor mostly DH-ing? Or more of a 50-50 split?


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[Assistant] Jensen, how concerned are you, if at all, about Tristan McKenzie, you know, coming off the year where he was injured but didn't have the surgery and his velocity being down in his first start?


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[Assistant] She had some Tigers last thing. Tigers off to a great start. They're 4-0. Are you buying them this year? You think they're a contender? I mean, they finished ahead of the Guardians last year. Are they a contender with the Guardians and the Twins or no?


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[Assistant] You know, the twin series would be interesting and then you come home and play just a terrible, terrible White Sox team. Anthony.


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[Assistant] Alright, so the draft is what? Three, uh, Three weeks from tomorrow. Three weeks from tomorrow. Is it three or not four? It's the 25th. Yea, right. You're right.


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[Assistant] Three weeks from tomorrow. The Browns do not have a first round pick again this year. When was the last time the Browns had a first round pick? It's been... Greg Newsome. Which was what year?


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[Assistant] No, 20. They, yeaah, I mean, they haven't had a lot of first run picks because obviously they,


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[Assistant] They've traded, this is the last of the three for Watson. They also traded two first round picks for Odell Beckham. So I think it was what, five out of six years that they won't have a first round pick, or five out of seven? So finally they'll, at the very least, have a first round pick in 2025. Their first pick this year is at 54. You know, Mike, you're not used to it, and you know,


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[Assistant] But for years as G, of course, and I know, like,


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[Assistant] We would be talking Brown's draft basically from mid-November.


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[Assistant] To the draft. Daily. I mean, that was the biggest conversation, and for the last few years...


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[Assistant] Which is a good thing. For years, how many times do we hear, the draft is the Brown Super Bowl?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean every year you were looking at a quarterback and obviously that hasn't been the case the last bunch of years.


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[Assistant] But, the draft has been off the radar, A, because the Browns have been better, and B, because they haven't had a lot of first round picks of late, and that continues again this year. So, it's hard to get too excited, you know, you look at the mock drafts, and I, like anybody else, will look at a mock draft, but, the Browns don't pick til the 50s. So,


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[Assistant] Trying to figure out who the hell they're going to draft at 54 or whatever it is.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't think, I'd be less surprised if they took other things, but let's face the reality.


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[Assistant] You know, Nick Chubb's coming off injury. All the other guys can be gone after this year. Every other running back on their route, and even Chubb in theory. But like, all their other guys, I mean Jerome Ford's got, what, two years left on his deal?


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[Assistant] I actually, I don't know why they would do that. I mean they don't, like it's not a great draft in theory.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's a great draft when it comes to certain positions. Why would you want to trade down? Like, they should be trading up. I don't know if they can trade up, they don't have a lot of picks this year and you don't want to give up your first round the next year.


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[Assistant] There's nothing to trade back. I don't think there's any way they can get a first round pick without giving up a first round pick in the future and I just don't think they're gonna do that. Oh, no, no, no, no. They're not gonna.


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[Assistant] Will any of those guys get to 54? And the further you go, if the Browns take the 9th wide receiver in the draft, well, it's less and less likely that guy's gonna pan out.


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[Assistant] To have any good idea of who's gonna be there at 54 is tough. Yeah, I mean, in terms of trading up and down, sure. We're to the point now where from picks 20 and on, you see a ton of trades. That happens every year. So yeah, there's gonna be teams moving all up and down the board.


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[Assistant] Where you want to be, where you don't have to draft for need. I always think when I hear


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[Assistant] I feel like when people do mock drafts, they try to figure out what the biggest need on the team is. And it just doesn't work that simply. Obviously if you need a quarterback, teams often will reach for a quarterback, which I think is a mistake.


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[Assistant] But if you need a quarterback, that's going to change the way you draft. But if you're not looking for a quarterback,


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[Assistant] You know, if you, if we look at the Browns and we say, well their biggest need is linebacker or wide receiver, whatever we decide personally it is.


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[Assistant] The bottom line is pretty much anybody the Browns are going to draft in the second round is not likely to be a starter for the Browns this year. You want to take the best football player.


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[Assistant] And even if he's not impactful as a rookie...


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[Assistant] Maybe it's next year when you let somebody else walk or whatever it may be. I think taking drafting based on need, I think that's what stupid teams do.


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[Assistant] But, I will tell you this, if the Browns have, if the Browns as an organization have decided that Michael Pennix is the next great quarterback, then they absolutely should draft him at 54.


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[Assistant] Uh, and deal with the consequences from that because the reality is, let's face it, wherever you are on the Sean Watson right now, if he has a bad season this year,


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[Assistant] They have to look for a quarterback the following season. Yes. No doubt.


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[Assistant] You're not going to hope he turns it around at year four. So what I'm thinking about, look, look, I'm just saying. Again, in the end, he's not going to be there, but I doubt they would draft the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Daniel Jones is better. Daniel Jones is at least an NFL starter. Those guys are not NFL starters.


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[Assistant] Right. And that's what teams do sometimes. When you're a good team, you make moves like that, thinking ahead, hey, we're letting this safety, we're letting this corner. The Browns get, you know, as deep and as much as we like the D line, they got a lot of old guys in that D line. So if they took an end that they thought was going to be a great player, that wouldn't surprise me at all.


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[Assistant] By the way, uh, Stephon digs 30 million in dead money for the bills. That's how- They must have been dying to get rid of him.


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[Assistant] Just to get you out. That's weird. I guess we'll find out. And they didn't get that much compensation. No, they only got a second round pick for next year's draft. That's crazy. Actually, in the trade, the uh, the Texans actually got a draft pick. I mean, it's a low draft pick. But they actually got a draft pick this year. Which is so strange.


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[Assistant] Gee, you weren't here yesterday, we talked, we had a guest on to talk about the women's, uh, Final Four here, and the fact that, uh,


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[Assistant] I think this is pretty cool. Women's basketball has arrived. On the main stage.


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[Assistant] In the sports lexicon. There's always gonna be a group of men that are anti-women sports and just act like jerks about it. But I think it's a combination of a lot more women than ever being into sports.


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[Assistant] And enough men that are like, you know, this is good quality stuff. And the, and the thing is, we've never seen a woman's sport, maybe the Olympics, you know, figure skating, stuff like that. But a, like a mainstream sport that goes on year round, we have never seen a woman's sport, I don't think in the history of this country, maybe tennis?


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[Assistant] This is, I mean, women's basketball has come so far in the last 20 years.


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[Assistant] had better ratings than every Major League Baseball play World Series game last year and every NBA Finals game but one.


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[Assistant] And they deserve it. And the good thing about women's basketball right now compared to men's basketball in college.


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[Assistant] Is you know the players. I don't know the players on the men's side. You know a couple.


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[Assistant] No, but I know their coach, Don Staley. Who is? I don't know, but I'm paying more attention now. And I will watch the entire Final Four.


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[Assistant] And I'm into it. Yeaah. And I, uh, for the men, I'll probably watch Yukon, if it's Yukon Purdue in the finals, I'll watch that. I'm not gonna watch the stemmings. Cause I'm gonna assume both games are gonna be below us.


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[Assistant] And you know what else, like, in women's basketball,


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[Assistant] So, so men's basketball got ruined, uh, by a couple of things. Now, I don't begrudge that the players can come out. I, that's pretty much, but I don't care. But it has, it's bad for the sport.


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[Assistant] I don't care that it's banned from the sport, but it is, right? Cause you, there's no retention of players. All the best players in men's basketball, college basketball, go to the pros after one year with almost no exceptions. And so that's part of it.


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[Assistant] The, all the, the conference changing in football has destroyed a lot of the rivalries in college basketball. Yes. But here's what they do in women's basketball. The women's basketball rivalries are the best teams. It doesn't matter what conference they're in. They play each other.


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[Assistant] They play a more fundamentally sound game. There's more passing. It's more watching the women's game is in a way going back in time for people like me that loved basketball more when I was younger. It's kind of like watching the women's game. It's like old school basketball.


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[Assistant] Five out. That was a great pass, Caitlin Clark. What's our name?


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[Assistant] See, you say that, and I get what you're saying, because everybody can shoot, but it also has an old school feel. It's a mix of new school, but also has an old school feel in terms of the, you know, there's no dunks, or very rarely, and there's great ball movement. The women's game has better flow. There's better flow to the women's game.


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[Assistant] Right, they have to play a second year essentially.


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[Assistant] My experience, I don't know how much experience you guys have had with this, but when I was earlier in my career, when I was working in college, we would go cover events and stuff.


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[Assistant] Generally, again, and I don't have as much experience with it these days, women's athletes are easier to deal with.


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[Assistant] Right. I remember when I was in college, I went and covered an LPGA event, LPGA event in Rochester, New York.


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[Assistant] And I, I, there was a PGA event that had come, I covered that, and I couldn't get any interviews. Except for like guys who were like the 150th player. None of the stars would talk to me, I'm some dopey college guy.


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[Assistant] With the LPGA, I talked to all their best players. I was like, I'm gonna be able to talk to the best players here. They were all nice, they were all friendly. I'm not saying the guys are jerks. A lot of male athletes are good and nice and friendly. But generally, female athletes are better to deal with.


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[Assistant] I think LeBron has had a positive attitude towards the WNBA, but not like Kobe.


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[Assistant] Again, it's not the same cap hit. I keep telling people that nobody listens to me.


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[Assistant] I'm saying that, like you don't, you look insecure when you gotta bring, like, oh look, the Browns did this well, like,


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[Assistant] Take it easy. The money doesn't matter. Stop. It doesn't matter. Defon Diggs is a better player than Amari Cooper. Right now? Facts. I mean, right now. He's always been a better player.


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[Assistant] Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, I was reading about that. I don't know when it's coming out, but I just read that should be interesting. Looking forward to that. How you doing everybody? Jason Lloyd is with me. Tyvis is with me today. Bull is fired up today. I am.


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[Assistant] First of all, let me start the show. We got a lot of sports to get to. Trust me, we're gonna talk J-Okay. We're gonna talk about how the Cavs are a bunch of losers. We're gonna talk about how the Guardians are a bunch of winners. I will get into all of that, but I'm gonna start the show with advice. I was gonna give this advice to Mike.


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[Assistant] Right before the show, uh, just in general. He didn't ask me for it, but I was gonna give it to him.


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[Assistant] I'll give it to Anthony too, who's in a relationship now as well. Uh, but this is the advice I would give to every person out there.


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[Assistant] But you're already married. Yea, it's too late. We on the panel, we're all married. I wanna hear it though, go ahead again. Here's the advice. Always.


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[Assistant] Live with the person before you get engaged. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, I agree with you. That's like buying a car without a test drive. Now, there are some people that, and you're a religious person, I believe, aren't you? Yes, I am. Okay, some people, I'm not a religious person, as people know, but I respect other people's religions. And some people, for religious reasons, feel like it's...


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[Assistant] But here's the thing, you gotta get over that. You gotta get over that. There's a lot of rules in religion. You don't have to follow them all. Follow the good ones, don't follow the bad ones.


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[Assistant] I would guarantee it. Now, I don't have the numbers to back this up, I fully admit it. But I would guarantee you.


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[Assistant] That, uh, that people that get married without living together.


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[Assistant] Get divorced way more often than people that live together because you don't really know somebody until you


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[Assistant] We locked in. I think why that is is usually super rich people have less morals. They're more likely to cut corners, to do...


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[Assistant] Uh, no, I would disagree. What is wrong with you? No, I think that because of religious reasons and everything else, it doesn't, not everything applies to everybody.


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[Assistant] And Mike did a way better job with that read than I did on either of my Ultimate Cleveland Guardians reads this morning. So kudos to you. By the way, real quick before we get to our first Breaking Grounds news topic.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the reason the conversation started is because I'm going away in a couple of weekends, and there's a couple that my wife and I are friends with, and whenever we go away they stay in our house to take care of our dog, right? Uhm, but they, they're,


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[Assistant] They're not gonna be around this weekend. So I was like, who could we ask to stay at our house? And I said to my wife, you know.


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[Assistant] I wonder if Mike and his girlfriend would like to like, play house for a weekend, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] It's a nice house, but it's not, you know, it's fine. But I'm just saying, I thought, you know, and then to kill two birds with one stone, they get that experience and, you know, I get somebody to watch the dog. But Mike, you know what happened?


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[Assistant] Alright, this is gonna be the first of two incidents today where a number of fans are gonna get mad at me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, let me say that I have probably been more positive over the last year plus about the Browns than I ever have in my years covering this team.


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[Assistant] And in the grand scheme of things, this is not really a big deal. I don't mean to make it that big a deal. But!


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[Assistant] It's, it's an embarrassing moment for the franchise. And I thought we were to the point where the Cavs were the only embarrassing franchise in town. And I thought that the Brows had moved on from this embarrassing type of behavior.


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[Assistant] At the very least, a very good player. The guy's gotta be, like, iconic member of the franchise.


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[Assistant] You have to be a Hall of Famer or at least a multiple time All-Star or, or there's gotta be something about you that was iconic. The most iconic thing about Hollywood Higgins is him fumbling in the playoff game against the Chiefs. That's not true. He had a lot of red carpet block touchdown celebrations.


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[Assistant] Than either Hollywood Higgins or Christian Kirksey. Nice guys!


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[Assistant] Okay players, this is an embarrassing thing for the organization to do. You are correct in what, you're correct. But here's where...


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[Assistant] Again, like I've talked about this, it's really important how you treat players. Yeah. Players talk.


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[Assistant] And for an organization's reputation within the league and for players in the league, you want to take care of guys. Right. And we talked about like the Nijoku contract, took care of them, the Greg Newsome, pay them more than a slot corner, takes care of them. This is a lesser example of that, but it's sort of like, if you tell them no,


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[Assistant] Yes. And if you take care of guys, does that spread? Yes. But wait a second. If you don't take care of guys. Absolutely. But Tyvis, if you're a player on the Browns right now, are you thinking like,


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[Assistant] It's better for us to make fun of them for 4 or 5 minutes and to have...


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[Assistant] Okay. Alright. Alright. And that's, I mean, it's silly. Yeaah, it's, I think the whole concept of one day contracts is probably pretty silly. Yeaah. But, especially in this case, but it's still, if the player comes in and asks you, what's the harm? From a team perspective, what's the harm?


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[Assistant] Just to make it to the NFL. To play a game in the NFL. I get it. Those guys were both nice players. Perfectly nice players.


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[Assistant] You know, my fat ass ain't playing in the NFL. I get it. You gotta be an amazing athlete to make it to the NFL. But I, I, I just think...


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[Assistant] That's a level of respect that should be, in my opinion, reserved for the best of the best. Well that's what the Ring of Honor is for.


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[Assistant] Is it a big deal? No, but the quarterback should be there, so it's good that he's there. I think it's important. I said last year about Miles, if you were going to lead, lead. If you want to lead, lead. I think Miles should be there, and I think Deshawn should be there. Is Miles not there? Miles is never there. I should say never.


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[Assistant] Rarely. Rarely does he show up, I think, at two OTAs. I think, if you're the leader, then lead. And that includes during voluntary portions. And I think it's great that Deshaun's there. He better be. He should be. Thivis, I know, you know, you were in a different position than Deshaun Watson and Miles Garrett. You were battling for roster spots. I get it. Oh, I was there every day. But if you had, like, why do players not go to OTAs? Why not take every opportunity you can?


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[Assistant] I think the quarterback, any time the door is open, the quarterback should be there. In terms of a team gathering, team sort of thing. And I would put Miles in that category because of his role on the defensive player of the year and all that other stuff.


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[Assistant] Tybus, wasn't there a part of you, like, yes, you had to go to OTAs, I get it. Wasn't there a part of you that just wanted to go to be with the fellas?


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[Assistant] But! Third person. Third person. Or that I screwed that up. But!


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[Assistant] My only point is I'm holding him to the standard he set for himself. And I've mentioned this before last year on the show and we had this exact same conversation. The COVID year.


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[Assistant] Or maybe it was 21. 20 or 21, somewhere in there when we were not allowed in the locker room. I was walking out of the stadium with them.


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[Assistant] And he was telling me that he had just rewatched Blast Dance. He was fascinated with the way Jordan led and with the way that Jordan carried himself and the way that he prepared and all of that.


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[Assistant] And he wanted to like instill that. And so I'm just holding him to the standard that he set for himself.


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[Assistant] You think Michael Jordan ain't no way. I mean, there was no such thing in the NBA, but Michael Jordan ain't miss. Michael Jordan walked in the trainer's room and told guys, get dressed. You're playing. You're not hurt. Go get dressed. Shut up and go.


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[Assistant] So if, and we're talking two guys. I'm talking the quarterback and the leader of the defense. That's it. And the other guys, if you're there, you're there. If you're not, you're not. But if you are in those positions and you're paid what you're paid and you're the defensive player of the year and you're the quarterback of the team,


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[Assistant] Just like we, we wanted Miles Garrett to be there. We're happy that Dejan wants you. For sure.


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[Assistant] And obviously he's recovering from injury as well, so that's a factor too. Alright Mike, what do we got?


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[Assistant] By the way, Mike, the article was actually...


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[Assistant] The top, I think top 50 free, expected free agents next year.


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[Assistant] They talk about it in the article, a possible extension for him, but the actual article was top, and what's amazing is, it's, I don't know who wrote this article for Athletic, I can't remember. Jason Lloyd. No, it wasn't Jason. It was not. Jason, please, he don't have time for that.


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[Assistant] Arguably the best, no arguably, the best Browns linebacker since the team return in 99. Arguably. Who's in the competition?


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[Assistant] You're out of your mind. You should have said Dwayne Rudd. DeQuel, who knows the position as well as anybody we've talked to, said this guy was a cut and we don't bring that up to


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[Assistant] I mean, I thought, is it unfair? Am I stretching to say Ali? I think you're stretching, he wasn't unplayable because he played. He wasn't very good, but he wasn't unplayable. He shouldn't have been playing. Unplayable. I don't think he should have been, I think he just wasn't very good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's rare. Certainly, it's obviously, it's very rare.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, fine. The point is it was a massive jump, but now, he's gonna be a free agent at the end of the season.


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[Assistant] The Browns have never spent in recent years under this regime any kind of significant money at linebacker. Now, the way he played last year is


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[Assistant] His season last year was the best season by a Browns linebacker since at least Schobert and maybe since, I would say since De'Quil Jackson. He was more impactful last year. Joe Schobert was a good player, solid player. He was never as impactful.


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[Assistant] He did, he did. Shilbert was sound. Right. Like he made the play in front of you. Right. But wasn't impactful, I guess. I think Joe was a poor man's Dequel Jackson. I mean, that's kind of what he... Yeaah. J.O.K. made game-changing plays. Yes. J.O.K. best linebacking play we've seen in a decade plus. Yeaah. So, what do you do?


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[Assistant] Well, if you're the Browns right now, I try and send them now. Yes, I don't know what they're going to, but the prices, I mean,


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[Assistant] Here's the risk. Which version are you getting? You've got one mid to bad year and one elite year. You would imagine with the same scheme, you're going to get the same results the second time around, but there is risk involved in that in doing it now. But the price is only going to go up if he's elite again next year.


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[Assistant] What's he gonna get in free agency next year? Right. 14 million a year? I will.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was struggling because I was looking at this this morning and I was struggling to where to slot them because some of those guys are a lot older obviously. But have done it for multiple years. And have done it for multiple years. So do you?


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[Assistant] Today, like have I signed him today? I think the Patrick Queen one. Yeaah. I'd sign him to the Patrick Queen deal right now. I'd sign him to the Patrick Queen deal right now. I think that is, I think that's realistic. Would he take, would he take that though? Yes. Always take the money. He's one injury away. You're one injury away.


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[Assistant] Because, not a lot. What was he, what was he a second round pick? Like a million or two? He and his family are set for life if he signs that guy out.


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[Assistant] So you think he's gonna say no? If they offer him the Patrick Queen or something, maybe a tiny bit more than the Patrick Queen deal. You think he says no?


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[Assistant] Yeah, let's say they offer him 16 guaranteed $48 million. I think he's crazy if he turns that down. I would, I think he would take that. I think he would take that. Now I would do that. About 14, well about 56 over 4. With 45 guaranteed.


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[Assistant] J-O-K is way more important to the Browns in the next few years, I'll say next four years, than Greg Newsom. Way more.


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[Assistant] All I know is they should sign him. That's it.


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[Assistant] Put it in the poll, Mike. I guarantee you, if you said, if you could only keep for the next four years Greg Newsom or J.O.K., 90% of people, maybe higher, would say J.O.K. How about you guys?


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[Assistant] It's easy to say, well they don't pay linebackers. Again, who should they have paid that they didn't? I think they did. But I think what you can say is even in free agency they haven't gone out and spent.


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[Assistant] So if they take a weak side linebacker, or if they take a linebacker, second or third round. I'll tell you what you need to know. You'll know the JOK's future.


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[Assistant] Does anybody think Newsom? Yup. You think he's more important than J.O.K.? Yup.


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[Assistant] 82 to 18. Jason, okay. I was thinking 80, 20, so I'll say 70, 30 just to be different.


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[Assistant] Right, but they got, don't you think the backup options are... Let me ask you this.


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[Assistant] Nobody, nobody does any of these things in a vacuum. There's always other factors, but. And here's, and I agree with you. I think secondary is more important than linebacker. I agree with that. But here's where I would flip it.


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[Assistant] I trust Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski to go find another third corner because they've proven they know how to scout defensive backs. They already have one. Like I say, I agree, I think he's right.


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[Assistant] I don't know that they can find another JOK. I trust them more to find another Greg Newsome than I trust them to find another JOK. I agree with that. I agree with that statement too.


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[Assistant] Because it's a lot of older guys on there playing some key roles.


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[Assistant] Not miles, miles, you know what you're gonna get out of miles. But the rest. The others. I mean, the NFL, I feel like there's more variance year to year than a lot of sports. So, and I just, I'm still worried about the spot opposite miles, the edge rushing spot opposite miles. I think it's a fair concern.


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[Assistant] Which hopefully I'll be here for. I'm supposed to be on jury duty next week.


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[Assistant] I told you I'd get out of that. You'll be out of that like that.


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[Assistant] Less than 700 subscribers away from 40,000.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Quincy Carrier, who does a great job, he's got a huge following covering the brown. But I saw Quincy saying that eagles get credit for this and the browns get criticism.


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[Assistant] Denver, obviously Philadelphia's had better quarterback play with Jalen Hurts, but they are, but, but, Philly is a run-first team.


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[Assistant] Devontae Smith has been a way better player to start his career than Jerry Judy. Yes. I don't think it's really that close. No it's not.


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[Assistant] And so, to say, well, it's not fair to criticize the Browns.


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[Assistant] And, and yet people are praising the Eagles. Well, first of all, the Eagles have been a winning organization. They've gone to two Super Bowls, they've won a Super Bowl. The Browns haven't done, the Browns have won one playoff game in decades. So it's not an apples to apples comparison. And the players are not apples to apples. Even saying that though,


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[Assistant] I don't think there was that much criticism outside of...


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[Assistant] Yeah. I just, I just, I just didn't understand extending a guy before he played one snap for you, before he did anything at all for you. Right. And again,


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[Assistant] I'd say it all the time, what do you, what message are you sending the players? What message are you sending Amari and Elijah Moore that you trade for this guy and you pay this guy and put him, elevate him basically above the two of you. Especially Amari, I mean Elijah Moore, who cares? No, but still, it's a guy who played for you for a year. Right, right, right. And Amari, I don't know if he,


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[Assistant] Amari's at the age, I don't know if he's gonna get the deal. No, but, but.


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[Assistant] I understand it from the team perspective, I just think it sends a bad message to the guys who were here last year. And by the way, real quick Thomas, that's another huge difference in these two things, is that Devontae Smith has been an eagle. They know him. They know his work ethic, they know his attitude, they know everything about him. The Browns don't know anything about Jerry Judy. Nothing.


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[Assistant] And, and, you know, the Watson situation, that was different.


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[Assistant] Like, he had options and the Browns...


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[Assistant] I had to give him a bigger contract to get him. Otherwise he wasn't coming here. So that was a unique circumstance. And people say, well what about, you know, you didn't, you guys didn't like the David Najoku contract. But again.


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[Assistant] We didn't, I know I didn't at the time and it turned out- We thought it was an overpay. We thought it was an overpay.


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[Assistant] But I understood why they wanted to give him a new contract at that point, and he had been here. They knew him.


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[Assistant] There was no reason to give Jerry Jude an extension. None. And football is different from other sports. Cause people say, well you do it in basketball. You trade for a guy and then extend him. But football, I think we've already established.


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[Assistant] Scheme. It's so much different. A guy can go from looking like a, a jag to a star in football much more than any other sport. And the argument, the people who are apologists for Judy and the Browns are like, well, what if he has a breakout season? Then it's, then it would have cost you even more. Well, okay.


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[Assistant] And to be fair to Jerry Judy, he's obviously been more productive than Elijah Moore was with Jeff. Yes, yes. But...


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[Assistant] Not productive enough, especially considering where he was drafted and what the expectations were for him coming out of college.


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[Assistant] He's been a disappointment to this point in his career. I don't think there's any debate there. Alright Mike, what do we got?


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[Assistant] It should be 100% for Devontae Smith, but knowing our fan base, it's going to be 55-45 Devontae Smith.


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[Assistant] It's less money, they could say it's a better deal. By the way, every time the Browns sign somebody...


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[Assistant] And we say it's too much, you know, like too much money, they're like, it's not your money, which I just said before, not your money. But now, oh, it's too much money. Let me tell you something. Okay? And they're, nobody's gonna disagree with me here. Sure. Nobody.


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[Assistant] When did the Browns trade for Jerry Judy? When was that like? March what? Early March, right?


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[Assistant] We could have Devante Smith for 75 million.


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[Assistant] Or Jerry Judy for 48 million. Which one you taking? Which one you taking?


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[Assistant] Would have taken Devonte Smith. But because Jerry Judy's already on the Browns.


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[Assistant] Now people are going to con themselves into believing that they'd rather have Jerry Judy. That's outlandish, it's absurd, and I think Earl should apologize. For all the people.


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[Assistant] I guess, I guess, but I'm just still stunned by the fact that our fans said they'd rather have Jerry Judy over Devonte Smith. Now Devonte Smith's getting paid more, but that's kind of crazy, isn't it?


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[Assistant] 100%, I think we all agree that Jerry Judy has potential that's untapped and that maybe he will reach it here. And so let's go with that. I mean, we thought, you know, pre the Jerry Judy trade, we all assumed wide receiver would be the priority for the Browns in this draft.


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[Assistant] And now maybe so, not so much. I think the Browns are kind of in a position here where they could


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[Assistant] Go best player available, but maybe picking it, what is it, 58? 54? Sure, 54.


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[Assistant] Maybe picking a 54, maybe that best player will be a wide receiver. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Kind of along those lines, we did an exercise on the show yesterday using the ESPN draft simulator. Who would you take at 54? And, uh, Benson came up for me from Texas and I had no interest really, hadn't really thought about taking a running back at that spot, but given the uncertainty of Nick Chubb,


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's, it's kinda made sense. So, I'm, I'm sorry, Brooks, from, from Texas and then Benson from Florida State. Would either one of those guys make sense, do you think, go on the running back route for the Browns in the second round?


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[Assistant] I've been kicking our ass for the last few years, so. I don't know if we want them here, Divas. No?


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[Assistant] Kyle, a lot of people seem to think now that we'll see four quarterbacks go off the board to start the draft. I'm convinced that all the quarterbacks in that group will be busts outside of Caleb Williams. I'm with you.


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[Assistant] Kind of like any of the other three. There's, there is zero. J.J. McCarthy is Kenny Pickett and Matt Jones. Mark it down right now. He's the same quarterback. Uh, Daniels and May. All three are busts. Buying or selling that.


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[Assistant] Speaking of Mike McDaniel, Kyle, last year he was known to, uh, smoke a joint or two on the sideline. Will he take it up a notch this year? Will there be any cocaine? Maybe some crack? Uh, I don't know.


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[Assistant] But anyway, back to the draft. Who's the guy in the first round?


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[Assistant] That's not being talked about a ton. Like maybe, not, not the big receivers or the quarterbacks. Another guy that you think is going to go top 20.


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[Assistant] That's under the radar a little bit that you think is going to be a great player.


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[Assistant] I'll go the other way, there's always one or two dudes left in the green room and the uncomfortable camera shots. Who do you think is in danger of plummeting?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Oh, I thought it was next year too. Six. I don't think they're taking five players, let alone six.


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[Assistant] They have the, you know, if there's a guy they like higher in the second round that they don't think is going to get to them, they should be aggressive. Yeaah. I mean, I don't know. You're not going to trade next year's one, but. No, no, no. Two and three would be better. That's right. Of course.


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[Assistant] Well, it should be. They, you know, they've sucked for so long that they've built, they've finally started drafting better and now they have better talent.


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[Assistant] I'm glad we're doing commercials for BetterHelp. This sounds like a great service. There's a lot of people that are scared to go to therapy.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of people, especially men, that feel like there's a stigma behind therapy. We should all be able to move on from that. Therapy is great if you find the right therapist. So I love that we're doing this. The only thing I'll say about that commercial is that, uh, the things you listed of things that you would do with that hour, nobody in this group would do any of those things.


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[Assistant] Heimster said he doesn't run. I was shocked. He said he was at this four


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[Assistant] You're a former athlete for crying out loud. You only retired like eight seconds ago. What are you talking about? Unless there's a bear or cops chasing me, I don't see the need to run. Have you run from the cop before? Don't worry about it. What are you, Baker Mason?


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[Assistant] Read a book. I do? That's what I'm saying, yes. Not a lot of book reading in general in this group. Alright. That was bad. Bad job, Betty. So, do you see that? You were just high-fiving people.


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[Assistant] And I put out a tweet. Now, I do believe what I said there.


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[Assistant] But I kind of put it out to just be a bit of a pain in the ass.


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[Assistant] Like, we would all agree that the Cavs are a soft team. Do we agree on that or no? They have certain markers. They've been pretty soft, right? Would we say that the Knicks, the New York Knicks are a tough team? Yes.


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[Assistant] Here's the reality. I don't care what their final record is, Jason. They played good basketball for the stretch where they went 18-2. They played really well. The rest of the season, they sucked. They were under 500 the rest of the year.


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[Assistant] And Darius Garland having a terrible season. To go into the playoffs like a bunch of cowards. An organizational decision to run scared like little babies. They're like the three little pigs. The calves are the three little pigs. They're hiding in their houses from the big bad wolf.


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[Assistant] Never, Mike, never. The Sixers, that's who you're scared of?


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[Assistant] The Sixers, and I love all these Cats fans, you know, and they're gonna mad at me, you don't know basketball, you're right, I don't know basketball that well, but I know this, I'm not a coward.


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[Assistant] I know the Knicks are not cowards. I know the Cavs are cowards. And I got all these people, all these basketball geniuses saying, well, you know, they, you know, at least they can get to the second round.


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[Assistant] To look at the series against the Magic as if this is a guaranteed win for the Cavs? That's by no means a guaranteed win. That's a joke! You gotta be kidding me if you, if you think this series is a guarantee. I do think they have a better odds of beating Orlando than they did Philly. I do believe that. Fine. But they ran scared and I don't believe in that. I think going into the playoff


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[Assistant] Can you imagine if Pete Carroll went ambling over to Richard Sherman and said, hey listen, I think we should lose this last game so we can play the Rams in the playoffs instead of the...


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[Assistant] Here are the facts. And this is repeating a little bit what I said yesterday.


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[Assistant] Dan Gilbert has never won a playoff series without Lebron. Fact.


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[Assistant] If the Cavs lose in the first round, regardless of the opponent, everybody's getting fired. But aren't they getting fired either way? No. No. No. If they lose to Boston in the second round, they're not getting fired?


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[Assistant] One series win over Orlando is gonna keep their jobs? Here's the thing, if they lose in the first round, I don't, if they win a series, I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know. If they lose in the first round, I got a pretty good idea, JB's getting fired, Donovan's gonna force his way out, and then Kobe's gonna get fired.


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[Assistant] So, there's some... If they win a first round series...


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[Assistant] Tyvis is right. You can disagree with how much it means, but the fact is, I said this yesterday, they went from a non-playoff team


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[Assistant] It was a gamble and not all gambles work out. And if there is no Donovan trade and this team stays status quo and they lose in the second round, nobody's upset. That's right. That's true. But it's the trade that sped up the timeline, that added the pressure, that did everything else and it's the trade that could ultimately be the downfall of some of the people that work over there right now. So that's, I mean,


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[Assistant] You can say everything you just said. The fact is, they have better odds of beating Orlando than they would have Philly or Miami. There's better odds. I'm not saying they're going to win by the way. I do think they will, but it's by no means a lock. But if they lose in the first round, there's a lot of changes in that building. And now it's even worse because you lost to Orlando. Now it's for sure. But if you win a series and you advance,


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[Assistant] We have to see how it plays out at that point. I can't give you a definitive answer. You got Cavs in 6, I got Orlando in 5. Who you got? What do you got, Jason? Uh, I said yesterday it's gonna be, I don't think I made a call in games. I do think the Cavs win the series, but it's a rock fight. Like this is not gonna be,


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[Assistant] Like it's, I think it's going at least six, if not seven.


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[Assistant] Okay. Mitchell, Mitchell I think will be. You think he'll be alright? Yea. Alright, well that's positive. What do you, who you got winning the series?


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[Assistant] I just don't think they have the heart or the guts or the coaching. I agree with Mike, I think, that they have the better roster. It's close. We're going to do a draft today. Yeaah. I was reading something, if he said that already. We're going to do a draft. Yeaah, he mentioned that real quick. I think it's going to be a lot closer than people realize in terms of, like, I think, you know.


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[Assistant] Like, Donovan's number one, but I don't know when the next cast player goes. Like, it ain't two. I'm not sure it's three.


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[Assistant] And as much as I've been angry and I admit drooling a little bit. You go watch it. I am actually excited to watch games that matter. Playoff basketball? Yes. Yeah, you said you wasn't watching nothing until now. I haven't watched the last. Hey, you can, you can crap on the NBA regular season. The playoffs are phenomenal. Playoffs are great. Phenomenal.


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[Assistant] It's just like, it's like college basketball. Regular season doesn't matter. March Madness is terrific.


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[Assistant] He took a shot at Lebron, which I was shocked. I was really shocked that he said that. But Mike's fiery. Do you remember what he said, Mike? He said something.


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[Assistant] It's the Cowboys and the Lakers and the Yankees. Baseball doesn't have as much of the stage, but the Cowboys and Lakers get all the talk. But Mike and LeBron were really tight when they were in Cleveland together. I don't like that though. So, I mean, Mike, Mike. I don't like that everybody's so scared to say anything to LeBron. Oh, me and LeBron spread it all the time. That is the series that we won. We spread it all the time.


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[Assistant] I know, let me transition to baseball. 60 seconds before I talk about the Guardians.


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[Assistant] The manager of the Astros is a guy named Ron Washington. Ron Washington is an old school baseball player middle infield. You remember Ron Washington? Oh yea, played for the Indians.


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[Assistant] But for the Indians, right. He, he was a manager, he had some drug problems, he left the game briefly, and then he'd been a coach. He was one of the most respected baseball men out there, and he, because he had a drug problem last time he was a manager, even though he was a really good manager and he'd been a great coach, great infield coach, base running coach, he finally got another opportunity to be the manager of the Angels.


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[Assistant] And he was being interviewed on MLB radio by my guy Mike Theron today, and it was so fascinating hearing him talk about like, he's like, we got young players. When they...


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[Assistant] Mess up. I gotta call him out. I gotta keep it real.


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[Assistant] Because there was a situation with Joe Adele, a young outfielder on the Angels. He didn't slide into a base. He kind of overran the base. And he was pissed and Ron Washington called him out in the media.


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[Assistant] And he's like, I don't look at it as calling out, I look at it as telling the truth. But that's an old school guy with a generation of kids who don't like that. You know what though? I bet you they respond to him. We'll see. I hope it works. I'm rooting, I don't like the angels but I'm rooting for them because I like him a lot and I thought it was fascinating. Now, speaking of manager, Steven Vogt.


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[Assistant] And then there was the weird thing with the bunt, I can't remember the whole situation.


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[Assistant] But I gotta say, that Steven Vogt.


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[Assistant] Has done an excellent job. 16 games. And the Guardians have their best record to start a season through 16 games since 2011. And of course, 2011, the season went down the tubes in a heart. Remember that team? Now this team is much more talented.


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[Assistant] I think that was the Matt Lawton team. Yes. Zach and I were talking about the team you mentioned, Shelly Duncan. Oh god. Which was a good pull. Yeaah. And Ezekiel Carrera maybe? Yeaah. They were trying to rebuild, they got off to a hot start. Right. They were like 35 and 15 or something crazy. And then there was flaps. Because that was the year I moved here.


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[Assistant] And I moved here in August, but, or, no, I moved here in July, but we went on the air in August. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And then of course the whole summer they were terrible. But, this team is more talented than that. And, but first of all kudos to Steven Vogt, who so far in his rookie season as manager, I think has done a heck of a job. Lineups, bullpens, it's been, keeping guys fresh, the bullpen he's done a really nice job with. He's pressing all the right buttons, and like hand up, I was not a David Fry fan, but.


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[Assistant] He's done a nice job. He can play. He can play. He can mash lefties, man. He can play. And he has position. You know, they have some guys with position versatility. He moved him around a bunch. He moved Arias. Listen, it's only been a couple of days. I'm not.


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[Assistant] They did everything. I thought Florial, I said before, I thought him starting both games of that doubleheader was like, this is your chance. Yea, I thought he was days away from getting DFA. I did too. And he may still be. Because Manzardo's coming, sooner than later. Even though he's not off to a particularly good start. He's still coming. But he's coming, yes.


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[Assistant] The Arius thing, they tried for years to hand him the Stardew Shortstop job. Not years, I shouldn't say that. For years, he was considered the heir apparent at that spot. And they tried last year to give it to him, and he just couldn't do it. And Rokio's done okay, but, you know, I've always been a big Arius fan. He's got a cannon for an arm.


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[Assistant] And there's a lot of juice in the bat if you can make enough contact.


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[Assistant] Uh, but they're gonna need them. By the way, the Guardians have to call up Ben Lively tomorrow because because of the rain out and the double header, we were saying it would be Curry or Lively, but now they gotta call them both up.


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[Assistant] The question is, and Zach and I were talking about it this morning, and we weren't sure what the answer was, is who's getting off the roster? I don't know. He said maybe Eli Morgan. I thought maybe they'd send Curry back down to bring up Lively. I think that's it. And I told Zach that. Like, you've already burned the option on him, so just send him back down.


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[Assistant] Mackenzie is floating around out there. You could come up with something and IL him and give him some time because he has not pitched well. I'll be interested to see what they do. Guardians have the second best record in the American League right now. I think a half game or a game back of the Yankees for the best record in the American League.


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[Assistant] The doubleheader Saturday was ugly, it was awful, but a nice bounce back win on Sunday and then to win the day game yesterday, the Patriots' day game, and great pitching across the board for the Guardians, the bullpen did a heck of a job. Uhm, what's stunning is, Jason, if I would have said to you, uhm, when the season started,


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[Assistant] I wouldn't tell you anything else but this. Nothing else about me. I think I know where you're going. Shane Bieber's done for the season. Yep. And Logan Allen.


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[Assistant] The defense has been very good for the most part. Was it windy there yesterday?


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[Assistant] I had to go, I was with my wife at the hospital yesterday. She's okay. So I didn't get home until the game was almost over. So I watched the end of the game.


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[Assistant] And then I went back and did like the rapid fire through the first two innings and I'm skipping all the commercials. Yea, I was doing the, I was here. Right, right, right. So I didn't get the, you know, I didn't watch it as closely as I normally do the first bunch of innings, but I didn't notice the win being a big deal.


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[Assistant] Because the, the offense, there's still holes there, and they're gonna go...


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[Assistant] Through some ups and downs. Yes. Bybie, it's, Bybie's got it going. And it's only today. It's only a couple of starts. I'm not worried about him yet.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's been hit around. Yeah, I still think he's going to be okay. I thought Gavin Williams would be a little bit closer than what he is. He just now started throwing. He's probably not back till May at this point. I thought he'd been back by now, frankly, the way they were talking. So a little bit of concern there, but if he's throwing, then


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[Assistant] He's progressing in the right direction. They really need those two guys.


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[Assistant] I even thought that they were going to. Yeah, big time because Mackenzie, the Mackenzie situation is a huge concern. He should have had the surgery last year probably. It's easy for me to say it's not my arm. Right.


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[Assistant] The guys that try to rehab, it just doesn't work. Well, it's Zach, we mentioned this yesterday. Zach and I are working on a Tristan story. It'll be out I think Thursday. It's going to run.


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[Assistant] And Aaron Noll is a guy who did Pitcher for the Phillies. He's been pitching with a torn ligament for years. Never had the surgery. It worked for him. They found it in August. He shut himself down that whole year. He came back the next year throwing harder.


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[Assistant] And all these terrors are different and it depends on the location and all that. But Tristan's velocity is down. His fastball is getting absolutely hammered. And it's a big part of his problem.


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[Assistant] He's going to struggle. Yeah, no doubt. So it's a concerning situation. The next week, you're playing teams that are not very good offensively. Boston, shockingly, has, their pitching has been great.


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[Assistant] Unlike the way they've, they've won them in recent years. Like they've been, they've gotten a lot of clutch hits late. Uhm.


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[Assistant] They've gotten, you know what I noticed is, they'll blow a big opportunity where it looks like they missed the chance to win the game, and then the next inning they'll come through. I feel like they haven't really done that.


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[Assistant] They play with a lot of energy and enthusiasm. Seems like Steven Vogt's a great fit right now. Yep. Again, long way to go. Long way to go. But, uh, so far so good. I mean, they're fun, and they're fun to watch. Yep. They're a fun baseball team right now.


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[Assistant] Who do they play after Oakland, Mike? They play somebody good and then the Astros who are struggling but we know they're good.


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[Assistant] So, you've got now a stretch, Boston, Oakland, Boston, where you're not facing good lineups, Boston can pitch, Oakland can't do anything.


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[Assistant] Uh, but then after that, obviously the Braves are as good as anybody, even though they're best starters out for the year, like the Guardians. And, uh, then the Astros who are scuffling, but we know they're, they can pick it up at any time. Astros pitching's a mess. A mess. Kid Hunter Brown, he's been awful.


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[Assistant] Yes. Yeah. Who was it? Ronel Blanco. And then he pitched like five no-hitting things as next start. Dang. And he's young, right?


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[Assistant] He came out of nowhere, he wasn't, he's not a prospect. Berlander comes back for them this week, so that might stabilize some things. Yeaah, well we'll see, I mean, he's 42? He got hit around in the rehab, big time. Yeaah, he's old. Alright Mike, what do you got next?


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[Assistant] Kings. That'd be a fun game. By the way, I do know somebody, and Tyvis alluded to somebody similar to this, one of the guys that I work with from my podcast is a Pelicans fan.


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[Assistant] Because he thinks they'll have a better chance of competing with


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[Assistant] I said it's a loser mentality. It is a different story than the Cavs. Why? Because he said it's a young team. So is the Cavs. But I said to him, the players would never want to do that. They'd be losers if they lost on purpose.


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[Assistant] Well, it depends who ends up being the aid in the east. You're assuming it's going to be either Miami or Philly. Philly.


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[Assistant] They would take, in the east you would take Orlando or Indiana or maybe the Cavs. But you'd probably take Orlando or Indiana if you were one seed. Right. In the east. In the west?


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know, I don't think he's playing for a championship in LA.


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[Assistant] LeBron Durant and the Warriors are done. Done!


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[Assistant] That against Lebron at your own risk. I said yesterday, he can't carry, he can't carry a team.


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[Assistant] LeBron will never win a championship again as the best player. I'm not saying he can't go somewhere else, be the number two or number three guy and still win. He will never win a championship again as the best player.


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[Assistant] Kevin Durant will not win the championship again as a best player, and the Warriors, as currently constituted, will never win again. I don't know if any of those statements are bold, I don't think they are.


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[Assistant] I just said, I don't know if that's bold. I don't think it is, but he's saying he can still pick LeBron at 57. So I'm saying you just.


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[Assistant] Kansas beat Boston. So that- They wouldn't beat the Western Conference Champ.


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[Assistant] Durant will never win a championship again as the best player and the Warriors core will never win again. I agree with Durant and the Warriors, but I would hold out on the Lebron. You're holding out on Lebron. I would hold out on Lebron. If you put Lebron on the Cavs, he's the best player and I think they could win a championship.


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[Assistant] That was actually about living together. Cause in the Bible there are like random things that you can't do that are like innocuous now. But at the time they had meaning, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] I had Pink Floyd in college, er, in school. School, like, grade schools. Pink Lloyd, Pink Floyd. But then it became Lloyd Christmas after Dumb and Dumber came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lloyd Christmas. And they called me Lloyd Christmas after that.


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[Assistant] What's your face broke character? It was so funny. She was cracking up. I forget her name.


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[Assistant] I gotta see it. David Spade cracking up during Chris Farley doing Down by the River. It was David Spade and Christina Applegate. That was an all-timer.


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[Assistant] By the way, they're doing a movie about Chris Farley's life, and uhm. Who's playing him?


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[Assistant] Does any, do you watch, does anybody here watch the, uh, the, uh, Karate Kid, the new Karate Kid show? Yeah. Oh, you do? Of course. On Netflix?


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[Assistant] With the kids, that guy is blaming Chris Marley. I heard that was funny, I didn't see it, I gotta see it. It was good too. Oh, it was what's-his-name, uh, the news guy, right?


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[Assistant] The Cavs and the Wolves made trades at the same time for the same reason. They thought they had budding superstars on their team. The Wolves have one. Anthony Edwards is becoming one.


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[Assistant] The jury is out, I think, quite clearly, on whether Evan Mobley is gonna become that kind of player. Or, if he's gonna become somebody more like Derek Fabers. Because... Wow! Well, Derek Fabers was a very good player.


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[Assistant] Who is a non-shooting four, which is the least valuable archetype of player in the league.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and, and I'm, I'm excited about this one, man, cause you see Danny Ramirez there, Richie Palomino, uh, is our main event. These guys are best, they gonna get after it. Uhm,


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[Assistant] Another one to look at, the co-main event. You guys, watch this kid, Lazaro Valdez, uh, Cuban hunter. This guy, like,


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[Assistant] I don't know how long I'm gonna be able to keep him. He might be with us for a fight or two before he heads to the USC. Uh, that, that's gonna be a big one. Gilbert Nakatani there is, is on his card as well. We're stacked up, man. This, this is our biggest card in fact.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Gaston know was good. Uhm, I used to like Derrick Thomas's, uh, his big swing, you know, remember the big swing at the bat he used to have.


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[Assistant] Did Lawrence Taylor have one? I don't remember him having one. I don't think so.


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[Assistant] There was a, you know, there was a bunch of dances, man. It's just, I don't think sack dances became a big thing until 2000, right?


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[Assistant] And I really do feel bad for, I feel bad for these, you know, defensive players because there's so many rules already. And this just seemed like another one. But I said before, I think the NFL got this one right.


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[Assistant] Plus pound guy is dropping his weight is all his weight on the back of your legs and there's nothing you can do about it.


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[Assistant] The guy's defense was he can't do anything about it. So, so you gotta take it out because he can't protect himself in no way, shape or form. So.


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[Assistant] Guys having that intention to having to go and do that because look, if a guy gets an extra yard, look, you want to stop him and get.


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[Assistant] I do, I do still have that mentality. Stop a guy by any means necessary. But there is a standpoint, man, where a guy cannot protect himself.


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[Assistant] Running as fast as he is, there's over a 90% chance that something's gonna happen. And it doesn't have to be a major injury, but a guy is leaving the game from that tackle, man. So I never really, that one, I just, we have, look, we have greats, man. Bo Jackson.


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[Assistant] It always makes you feel good because you got a top, I would say top three player, defensive player in football, in Miles Garrett.


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[Assistant] Right, so everything starts and finishes with him and his capabilities. Now, they had a lot of injuries.


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[Assistant] The maneuvering, the filling in the blanks, the guys having to step up and still finding ways to win. They were one of the most injured teams in the NFL last year.


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[Assistant] Right? You don't, you don't have, you don't have Nick, I would say top three running back in football and maybe, maybe possibly the best. He goes down, you got defensive players going down and you still find a way to get there, man. That's a hell of a job by the coaching staff. That's a hell of a job by,


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[Assistant] The problem, the problem that you have with, with a team like Cleveland is, is people in the division is getting better too. And that's, that's the issue that they're going to have going forward. It's not them. I think they got a solid team. They got a really good team actually.


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[Assistant] Look, that's no coincidence. That's no coincidence. And typically when something like that happens, they need to start switching up their regimen, their preparation.


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[Assistant] That meant, you know, instill, instill in a different mentality when they go on the road. We had this thing where we, we thrived on it, on being a road warriors, right? We, we used to actually, uh, you know, before the games or before we go there, we say, we're going to go in your house, go in your refrigerator, eat what we want, put our foot up on your table.


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[Assistant] Right, that's, that was our, that's what our mentality was when we went on a roll. Like we're going to your house, going to your fridge, sit down on your couch and put our feet up.


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[Assistant] With that team that they have, it's gonna be a major problem because that means you gotta win out. That means you gotta show out at home all the time. You can't have any slip ups, no matter what.


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[Assistant] I think this is a make or break year for him, right? It just has to be because


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[Assistant] The contract that he got, the contract that he received, you know, forget what you think about all the stuff he went through off the field.


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[Assistant] He didn't play, right? So anybody who hasn't been on the field and still get rewarded that contract was already risky enough. Forget all the other stuff he had for a second. Uhm, but the other thing is that he hasn't been on the field.


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[Assistant] You know, and outside of all the things he dealt with off the field, when you're talking about him as a football player,


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[Assistant] I mean, the most recent one, I think, was a great move by the Texans in getting, in getting, uh, um, Cephon Dix. I think that people understand how, um,


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[Assistant] This year that they got their teams just let cut or they moved on from, um, you know, you look at the bills and you talk, I'm talking, you know, just kind of stick with that, with that trade that happened. Look at the bills and.


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[Assistant] That's what's happening in Dallas. If the commanders go out and get themselves a franchise quarterback, they're in trouble.


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[Assistant] You know, you know what's crazy about that, uhm, you realize how much he moves the needle.


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[Assistant] Because the excitement of that fan base and organization hasn't been like this, I would say almost until since I played. So.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, Brandon, um, Staley, who was there for three or so years, I don't think they had this level of excitement in a decade. And one thing about Jim Harbuck, we all know this, is that he comes in and he makes changes right away. Like this is not a rebuilding situation for him because he's had


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[Assistant] Having, you know, uh, they're gonna draft a wide receiver, they're gonna get, uh, you know, Marvin Harrison Jr. or neighbors, you know, one, one, they're gonna draft one of the two, you know, Khalil Mack, Joey Bolsa, just read, just restructure the contract and re-sign.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, we gotta get a whole bunch of fights. Uh, Saturday, April 6th, this Saturday, uh, we'll be live on FuboTV Fubo Sports starting at 6pm Pacific.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this is gonna be massive, man. I think this is a, this is a big, big card for a couple reasons. I think we got a couple guys in this card who I think are going to go straight to the UFC maybe after this fight, maybe one more fight with us. But that, this co-main event, these last four, that's our last five fights on this card.


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[Assistant] Our massive, we, you know, we, I single handedly kind of stepped in to start helping my matchmaker put some of these guys together. And I think that, um, you know, this is, this is the biggest call we've had in the history of the company.


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[Assistant] I mean, I've been trying to get, is that package? Can I get, uh, can I get Ingram and, uh, McCollum?


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[Assistant] We know they have the best three-man lineup in baseball, with Tyvis to be the best four-man lineup. That is downtown Cleveland. The traffic yesterday...


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[Assistant] Was the biggest fraud we've ever heard. We talk about expectations versus reality. We thought it was gonna be a pain in the ass getting out of the studio yesterday, getting up downtown Cleveland due to the home opener, due to the eclipse. And while the eclipse lived up to all the hype,


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[Assistant] Traffic was nowhere to be found. It was a beautiful problem to have. Tyvis, you stared straight into the sun.


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[Assistant] Did you look up there during totality?


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[Assistant] I was just making sure Thomas isn't saying I looked at it, but skirting around the truth was what you looked at it during totality. You looked at the actual sundown.


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[Assistant] You know where the last place the aliens are going? To a guardian's white house.


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[Assistant] That was my bi- So I was at the- It's the Victory Plaza between- I dunno.


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[Assistant] They had strawberry, grape, and then Nutella, which I had never had.


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[Assistant] It would have just made the whole scene even darker to really emphasize the fact that we were in true 100% totality. And to the left of that picture is progressive field where I had the lights in the outfield on. But all in all, it lived up to every ounce of the hype.


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[Assistant] Changed from day to night, the temperatures dropped. It got windy, it got chilly.


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[Assistant] No, it was awesome. Tyvis, you were back in Columbus for it, right?


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[Assistant] Was Columbus in line of 100% totality as well? Was that-


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[Assistant] I want to give Gabe a shout out. This picture was circulated all across the internet yesterday. This was, with all due respect to your rocket scientist friend, this was the thought of the eclipse from Cleveland. Gabe does a great job.


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[Assistant] Capturing the city of Cleveland in all its different states, and that was a terrific shot.


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[Assistant] Uh, just an incredible picture, but before we get into topics today, we may have Justin Hardy, one of the Brown's newest players, uh, former friend of Thomas Powell joining us here in a second, which would be an incredible get for UCSS.


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[Assistant] The combination of the weather yesterday, the eclipse and the home opener.


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[Assistant] Downtown Cleveland from 1.30 to about 6.30.


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[Assistant] And I walked around as soon as we got out of the studio.


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[Assistant] I walked up East 9th, over to the Clevelander, to the pregame Guardians festivities, the Parrot, that whole range. I mean the lines to get into any bar at that point at 2 o'clock.


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[Assistant] It was insane. The line to get into progressive field to watch the eclipse started before. What's that Ontario that goes in front of rocket mortgage. It was wrapped around from, uh, the bleachers past rocket mortgage wrapped around. It was insane. So between the final four this weekend.


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[Assistant] Home opener, the Eclipse. Just want to give a shout out to the city of Cleveland for putting on a hell of a performance and living up to all the expectations we had hoped for such a monumental weekend, not just in the sporting world, but just in the entire scope.


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[Assistant] Of what was happening across the country and on planet Earth yesterday.


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[Assistant] It was awesome, I just got a thumbs up from Tyvis, so hopefully that means Justin is, uh,


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[Assistant] Perfect. So we're gonna stall for two minutes, and then we're gonna welcome Justin Hardy of the Cleveland Browns on a sec, and you wanna get a game time reading first, let the people know where they should be buying all their tickets for upcoming events, and then we'll continue to stall until we have the newest Browns Special Teams ace on the line.


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[Assistant] Welcome in Justin Hardy in one second. Bull just sent us a text from Rob Demorski who covers the Packers and it says quote, based on the Packers president Mark Murphy's comments this morning, it sounds like they are preparing to open the season in Brazil against the Eagles. Speaking before the annual tailgate tour, Murphy said,


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[Assistant] We're either the first or second most popular team in Brazil.


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[Assistant] If that's the case, that means the rounds would be out of contention to play Philadelphia in week one in Brazil, which would open up a plethora of different options to start.


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[Assistant] Cleveland season off in 2024. We've talked about it a number of times, but Thomas, were you on board with the Browns going to Brazil to start?


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[Assistant] We are honored and thrilled to welcome Justin Hardy to the show now. Justin, a Glenville grad, a Cleveland guy, and a friend of Tyvis Powell, which means we may have to reevaluate your character, Justin, but thanks again for, uh, for joining the show, man. How you doing today?


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[Assistant] Justin, uh, Bubba Ventrone was brought in last season to kind of fix this special teams unit. They made a giant jump from 2022 to 2023 under his tutelage. You are obviously a very accomplished special teams player in your own right, so.


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[Assistant] What are the conversations between you and Bubba Bin in terms of how he can help elevate your game and how you can help elevate his special teams unit in 2024?


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[Assistant] We get 53 guys like Justin on a team with that mentality and the Browns are going to be in great shape.


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[Assistant] Awesome. That was Justin Hardy, the Brown's newest special teams ace at 2020 Pro Bowl or another weapon in the arsenal for Bubba Ventrone.