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[Assistant] But if you look at it, I think about, I was going through every player on the team. First of all, you didn't have Struce, you didn't have Niang, and you didn't have, uhm, Sam Merrill. And all three of those guys are big-time contributors.


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[Assistant] And they're all, most importantly, Jason mentioned when it came, or Ty, I can't remember which of you guys said it, but all three of those guys play with a lot of confidence too. In addition to Darius. Like the Cavs may actually, is this crazy? That the Cavs may actually have more confident shooters.


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[Assistant] And I'm curious for everybody's opinion on this. It seems to me, clearly, that uhm, a Coro,


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[Assistant] Even with the bad playoffs, that like, we knew what Allen was. There was no further level. And he's gone up a little bit more. And I didn't think there was a little more for him. And Mobley's, you know, he's not shooting a million threes, but he's shooting. He's making the ones he's taking. There is, we have never seen a Coro this confident.


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[Assistant] Right. He's restricted. Yes. Is the best of this team, the best that this team is capable of in your opinion.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt that his job he's done coaching this year will continue into the playoffs. Okay. My, my, my, I guess my biggest concern about the Cavs in the playoffs is if a Coro and Mobley lose that confidence to shoot the ball outside and then the middle's clogged up again and the Coro's useless because he can't,


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[Assistant] Cause it's 5 on 4, that would be the downside.


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[Assistant] 30 seconds each, as great as Donovan Mitchell has been for the Cavaliers in the last two years in the regular season.


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[Assistant] Lunch with my family. This is like probably 10 years ago. My son was like a little baby.


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[Assistant] And, uh, or eight years ago, whatever. And we were sitting outside at Buckeye Beer Engine and he sat down with his family right next to us and I turned around and I hadn't seen him.


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[Assistant] Before we do that, two quick things. Shoot. Number one.


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[Assistant] That doesn't make sense. He doesn't fit in that category at all. I think we've come to too young, too cheap. Yea, I'm comfortable with that. I think we're good with that one. Alan's good, so now give us Garland.


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[Assistant] I think Zion and John Marant, teams would trade them before the Cavs would trade Darius, I think.


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[Assistant] The only, I guess the, I guess the only time you would trade him is if you could get one of the utterly untouchables. Then you would trade him. But you can't get those. The only way I would trade Donovan unless I had to is if I could get Janis or Jokic.


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[Assistant] Accertain where we think the value would be if for whatever reason they decided to trade these guys. But yes.


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[Assistant] Three is too much. Nobody's giving up three for a, no matter how good he is.


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[Assistant] But let's say you were in a scenario where the Chiefs had to trade Patrick Mahl. Okay? How many first round picks would they end up giving up? Like, if you're the Brown, would you give up 10 first round picks?


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[Assistant] I don't think there's a single team in the league that would trade for him. It's cause of the contract.


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[Assistant] I was thinking about this. It's only three more guaranteed years at this point, right? Yes.


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[Assistant] So, it's not like you get into a five year deal. So it's a three year guaranteed deal.


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[Assistant] So I'm going to reverse what I said yesterday, Mike, that they would get nothing for him, but I don't think they would get any better than a fourth round pick. I think they could get better than that.


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[Assistant] Do we know he's, like, we were talking about this yesterday and I said at this point I'm 50-50 that he can get back to being a top quarterback. We all want it to happen, but,


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[Assistant] Not even asking for top 5, which he was. Probably less than 50.


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[Assistant] This is his last year to do it. Well, he ain't played. Alright, so we split. So Tyva says two second round picks. Jason says a third round pick. I think a third. I say a fourth round pick. What do you say, Mike?


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[Assistant] I was totally in favor of it, hopefully it will still not turn out to be terrible.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay was on my podcast yesterday, I asked her about, because I said, hey, if there's a guy you love early in the second round, would you consider, if it worked out, training Greg Newsom in a pick?


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[Assistant] To get up to the front of the second round or even late in the first round. I don't know if that's realistic, but you know, if you would. And she said she didn't think Barry would do it because he loves his picks, especially his high picks. And she may be right about that. I would trade Greg Newsom in the right deal, guys.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, sure. Alright, so what do you think his trade value is?


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[Assistant] I do think potentially you could trade your second round pick at Newsome.


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[Assistant] And maybe a late round pick to move up to the beginning of the second round.


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[Assistant] Right, like I was saying yesterday, what if you offered him a four-year contract, two years guaranteed,


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[Assistant] So he's already gotten a signing bonus. So he, so it's 11 million. His actual salary this year is 11 million. Close to 12 million. And how much, is any of that guaranteed? Uh, no.


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[Assistant] Okay, so if none of it's guaranteed, and he's supposed to make 11.7, if they offered him 6 guaranteed, with a chance to make an extra 6 in incentives, so actually make even a little bit more,


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[Assistant] Two years, 16 million guaranteed, you can make up to 22 in incentives.


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[Assistant] I mean, listen, he's a good player, he had a very good year.


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[Assistant] Third. I don't think he'd get a lot in the trade. Third. I think you're right. I was going to say second. You think third? I think third.


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[Assistant] Dallas has got a young guy they like. They got Jake Ferguson.


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[Assistant] There is because Dave sells better, but he's injury prone, and he's got a big contract.


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[Assistant] So we agree, first pick, first rounder for Ward, second rounder for Emerson.


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[Assistant] Interesting, by the way, and I think- The best conversations were than the joke one was interesting.


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[Assistant] So there we go. Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Matthew Stafford, Dak Prescott, CJ Stroud, Joe Burrow, Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] That might be eight already. That's nine. That's already nine. And there's other guys that I would be surprised if he did better then.


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[Assistant] To say he's going to be top eight, that means I have to assume he's going to be healthy for the whole year.


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[Assistant] And if I assume he's gonna be healthy for the whole year, then I gotta assume Burrow's gonna be healthy for the whole year. And all these other quarterbacks that got hurt this year, I have to go under the same assumption that they're all gonna stay healthy. And if they do, the odds of him being top eight, based on his play the last two years, is not high.


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[Assistant] He gave you the reasons. It's pretty simple. It's hard to win the award. There's a lot of great players. It's funny, the MVP has become a quarterback award and the defensive player of the year has basically become a pass rusher award. I mean, that's it. The other guys don't really get serious consideration. So it limits the number. I mean, there's only like 10, 15 guys really that could win the award probably.


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[Assistant] Uh, now Mike wrote receiver in the question, but I asked him to clarify if he specifically meant just receivers. David the joker was 18 yards shy of 900 this past year. Now, did he play his best with Joe Flacco? He did. But, I would think after this breakout year, you know, you assume the Browns will be healthier next year.


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[Assistant] That he has a good chance to get the 900 yards next year.


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[Assistant] And I also think the Browns will be aggressive in terms of trying to get a proven wide receiver.


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[Assistant] And if they got a Calvin Ridley or a T. Higgins, I, I can't imagine how the Banglefield franchise T. Higgins, so I'm gonna start, stop talking about him. But if they get a Calvin Ridley or a Marquis Brown or Mike Evans, certainly,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say that even if I, even though Jason and I just said Deshaun Watson's not gonna be a top eight quarterback, I certainly think he's gonna be a lot better than he was, has been. So even if he's the


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[Assistant] Uh, and he was, well actually he was bad two years in a row. So I mean it's two good years with 20-20 and 20-23. So he's not a too good year in a row. I guess you could argue 19 and 20 was as bad as a row.


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[Assistant] Best quarterback, and we count Lamar and Burrow as two guys, essentially, because you play them twice. The tenth best guy you mentioned, I think was Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, if Tua and Lawrence are essentially the 9th and 10th best quarterbacks you're playing, you're playing good quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Another thing is, if this were the 80s, or even the 90s, or, or,


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[Assistant] Where defenses kind of stayed together. And I know the Browns aren't going to lose a lot of key pieces this year.


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[Assistant] But in the, in the modern NFL, defenses fluctuate from year to year. No matter, you can bring back a lot of the same players, coaches, it just happens that way. So I think the Browns will still be a good defense, but being top three is tough. I'm kind of, if I had to choose, I'd want to be in the border.


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[Assistant] Oh, I'm sure that the chat is going bananas, how Jason and I hate the Browns.


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[Assistant] Let's say 13. I mean, let's say 15. Yeah, yeah, let's say, yeah, first one. Okay. So how many carries do we think he's going to average per game?


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[Assistant] Let's say in those carries he's as good as he was.


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[Assistant] Alright, there I doubt and I might think. Go ahead, last one.


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[Assistant] I said I doubt. You did say I doubt. And let me give you the stat guys. In the last three seasons.


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[Assistant] There's obviously 32 teams, so that's essentially 96 teams over 3 years. Yep.


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[Assistant] So 10 out of 96, which is about 10%, okay? Now, I had to look at it even deeper.


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[Assistant] Most of those ten, of the ten that had the two guys with double digit sacks, six of those ten had two guys that were like ten and eleven. Eleven and a half, ten and a half.


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[Assistant] I can't remember who it was. I think it was, I think Sam Fran did it one year. I don't remember the other two.


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[Assistant] It was Philly, I think San Francisco, I think it was Breivik. Like maybe, uh, Jacksonville this past year.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen had. Josh Allen had like 15, 16, they had somebody else that had 10, I think. So the odds of having a guy like Miles get 14 or more, and a second guy have 10.


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[Assistant] He's very slim, doesn't happen often. The Browns have never done it, right clown? He got nine and a half.


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[Assistant] Right, well that's if they don't blow it for once with their wide receiver drive.


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[Assistant] Uh, Quan is a guy we all like. Obviously he's been a tremendous, one of the


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[Assistant] Great to have Stephen Kwan with us. So Stephen, I wanted to start with this because


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[Assistant] You're out in Arizona, spring training, uh, it's beautiful. We're stuck in the cold weather here in Cleveland. I know you're a Bay area guy. When you come, when you, when the season starts and you come from Arizona.


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[Assistant] As people make it out to be playing in that often awful weather in April.


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[Assistant] A lot of, you know, old school baseball people and fans see these advanced statistics, like war and whatever, and they're like, what? I don't understand that, I don't know what you mean. As a player, like, I, recently,


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[Assistant] We've seen like your war for your first two years as a left fielder, you're up there with some like all time great players. Do you, do you, I love advanced stats, I try not to be old school. Are, are players in general, and you specifically, do you pay attention to all of that information?


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[Assistant] In the big leagues, you've mostly played left field. I don't think you played center or right at all last year. Is that correct? I know you did as a rookie.


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[Assistant] You only played left, so I think you played about 30 innings in centerfield, period, in the big leagues, give or take.


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[Assistant] A lot of people have asked me, because I'm a big baseball guy, can Stephen Kwan play center field, if it were necessary, for you to play every day, and I always say yes.


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[Assistant] But do you, I'll ask you, do you think you would be as good, you're an elite left fielder, you won Gold Glove two years in a row. Would you, do you think you'd be as good in center in the big leagues as you are in left?


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[Assistant] I think a lot of baseball, a lot of athletes in general, not just baseball players.


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[Assistant] Are afraid to be vulnerable. Are afraid to say, hey, I'm a human. I'm flawed, just like anybody else. I was listening to you.


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[Assistant] When you were on MLB radio a couple weeks ago, whenever it was, and I thought it was a fascinating interview. And you talked about how when you were a freshman in college, you had imposter syndrome.


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[Assistant] And I was, I was blown away by that because I feel like a lot of players probably experienced that but would be afraid to admit it. And the fact that you were not afraid and you were bold


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[Assistant] Talked about it publicly that maybe they will be able to talk about it with a friend or a therapist or whoever. So I wanted to commend you on that. I thought that was really impressive. I, I, it was fascinating to hear you talk about it.


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[Assistant] Who is the, who is the current best chess player on the Guardians? Is it you? Is it Tristan? Is there some, is there a wild card out there somewhere? Who's the champ right now?


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[Assistant] Any talk, I know you gotta be careful about what you say, but I'll throw it out there anyway.


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[Assistant] Are you interested in conversations about an extension at this point and have you had any conversations about it?


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[Assistant] You know, I'm curious, like as fans, the fans, the fans are a little frustrated because the team, you know, there are very few additions made to the team.


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[Assistant] Right, you traded for Scott Barlow, which is a sneaky nice move. I like him out of the pen. You brought back Austin Hedges, who everybody loves, and looks like our director.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you got young guys, maybe Bo Nailer's gonna hit some home runs, maybe Kyle Mansardo, if he gets a chance, is gonna hit some home runs. But as a fan base, the fans are like, well, where are we gonna get the home runs? Are you confident that you guys have


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[Assistant] The players there that could pick up the home run total, and do you share any frustration that the team didn't really spend much money this offseason?


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[Assistant] Best and your favorite and least favorite stadiums to play in, you know, besides Cleveland.


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[Assistant] You're, you're in a bar, you don't strike me as a, as a bar fight type of guy, but in theory,


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[Assistant] If you were in a bar fight and you could only take one of your teammates to fight with you, who are you taking?


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[Assistant] And what about if you were doing a comedy show? Who's your leading act? Who's the funniest guy on the team?


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[Assistant] He is certainly a big dude, but he's not even like G. Bush big. G. Bush is like the size of a house.


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[Assistant] They don't have one big time power hitter because they don't, because they haven't resigned Bellinger yet. The expectation is they will eventually, but they haven't. And Eddie Perez, who's doing the show with him, he's like, yeah, but they got a bunch of guys who can hit 20, 25 home runs. And he named like five or six guys because really they have a, they don't have one elite power hitter, but they got a bunch of like decent power hitters.


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[Assistant] By the way, you don't have a first round pick to trade.


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[Assistant] Uh, there was a parade, everything was great, it was going well, everybody's having fun, except for the rest of the fans around America.


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[Assistant] Now I did read this morning, thankfully, that all the children that are in the hospital are expected to fully recover.


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[Assistant] Which is great news, but they, even if they do fully recover, they're scarred for life. Everybody that was near this event was scarred for life.


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[Assistant] I don't want to say it's good news. It's news that the report came out today that this apparently was not what has been the case in most of these shootings.


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[Assistant] Is somebody was planning to go to the parade and chew people up. Apparently that was not the case here. Apparently this was a beef between two guys.


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[Assistant] Mike was just telling me about this during the Quan interview. It was a beef between two guys that turned into a shootout and there was collateral damage. I'm not saying that makes it any better.


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[Assistant] The sad part is no matter what we say, no matter what anybody says, everybody goes on Twitter and says whatever they say, nothing's gonna change.


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[Assistant] It's not a simple fix, obviously, to this problem. You know, people want to say it's this, it's this, it's this, it's not one thing, it's a lot of things. Yes, there is a gun problem, there are too many guns in America.


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[Assistant] You know, shoot a hundred people at once, and I know nothing about guns, should at the very least be harder to get? That seems like common sense.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, there's other issues. Some of these people are, have mental problems and our, the way our healthcare system is sucks.


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[Assistant] There's more gun deaths in America per capita than any civilized country in the world. It's because we have more guns than every civilized country in the world. That's just it. That's the biggest part of it. It's not, it's certainly not the only part of it. But it's, I mean come on, we gotta all keep.


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[Assistant] Politicians are in it for their pocketbooks and they care about nothing else. So it's sad.


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[Assistant] I know you're getting emotional. I feel the same way. I worry about it. I go to a restaurant and I think about the emergency exits. I actually have these thoughts. I'm like...


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[Assistant] Sad day, hopefully something will change, but I doubt it. Alright, more on overtime, coming up next.


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[Assistant] What's up guys? We have a pack show. We'll talk coaching searches, coaching staffs. We're going to talk a little casual talk to Aditi. We'll talk where the Browns rank in the AFC moving forward, but we'll start with the coaches. But as always, before we start our first topic of the day,


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[Assistant] AVP out. The offensive coordinator search has begun. The Browns actually interviewed their first candidate to replace AVP today. Steve, you can take tag board full, but it's Andrew Dickerson, the Seahawks current offensive line coach and their run game coordinator.


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[Assistant] We'll get into our choices for candidates first, but guys, he used to coach in Cleveland under the Mangini staff and back in 2009.


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[Assistant] Are you guys familiar with Andy Dickerson at all and what he may potentially bring to the table as the offensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay confirmed it, uh, Jones from, he came on the show, uh, Jermaine Jones, NBC Sports. Oh, okay. The reason I ask- Reputable, reputable-


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[Assistant] I love you and Jay, but if you think they didn't run the ball enough now,


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[Assistant] And you add Nick Chubb back to the equation, nobody runs the ball less than Eric Biennemy in the history of plate calling. So just be ready, if that's who you want.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he was actually my first choice. I was saying before the show to bowl.


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[Assistant] The Browns finished this season ranked 31st in the NFL in motion before the snap. The Rams finished second. So we're going from top of the league to bottom of the league. Who was first? Miami? Miami, yes. And that's where Darryl Bevel comes in, who's my second choice. So I'm looking to bring someone in who compliments the fancy still set.


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[Assistant] McVeigh runs a west coast offense with a ton of play action under center as well. So when you look at what Zach Robinson brings to the table, it's kind of an extension of the same offensive philosophy at least with some new gadgets that he doesn't currently have in the playbook. And you add those elements into it, which hopefully Zach Robinson can bring over.


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[Assistant] My number one pick would be Robinson. Robinson, by the way, interviewing for the Bears offensive coordinator job today. That just was reported by Allen.


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[Assistant] And my worst case pick would be Freddie Kitch, uh, Matt Canada, because he really took Kenny Pickett to the next level.


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[Assistant] That's fair. And we have some other Browns coaching news to talk about, but first a quick word from Jace Medical. I know we come to sports as an escape from the real world and the crazy realities of the real life, but can we just talk for a minute about preparing for the unexpected? According to the FDA, pharmacies are running out of antibiotics like a moxilin.


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[Assistant] Gotten rid of their current defensive line coach, Chad O'Shea and Bill Callahan, reportedly staying on for now at least. So guys, with the other coaching moves that are going on in the brown circle right now, which one stands out the most? Interviewing a defensive line coach when you still have one, bringing Deuce Staley, and where do you guys want to start?


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[Assistant] Jake, can I ask real quick? Sure. Tony Grossi tweeted yesterday. Yea. He was fired for being a media leak.


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[Assistant] Does it hit today? May change with the Amazon deal, which we'll talk about in a sec. But before we bring a DD on in about 10 minutes, I do want to bring something up, but real quick, a reminder that behind the glass is happening tonight. We're not exactly sure what time it might be 5, might be 6, but there will be a behind the glass episode tonight. Not 6. Coming at you. Not 6.


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[Assistant] Well, we're working around a couple different schedules, so it may be at the same time. We'll figure that out. Uh, start with that bowl. But before we bring Aditi on here, I want to ask you guys this question. We could bring this into Aditi when she joins us. Looking in the next, let's call it the immediate future. Three, four years down the road.


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[Assistant] Where do the Browns stack up against the other three teams in the AFC North? We know this is the first division in the history of football to have all four teams finish over 500. They all have quarterbacks under contracts or at least three of the four do that you'd want to have on your team moving forward. So look in the next three, four years, where do the Browns stack up against the rest of the AFC North?


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[Assistant] And with that, it is the one, the only Aditi Kinkabwalla who joins us now to discuss this exact same topic. What's up Aditi? Good morning everybody. How are you? Are we wrong?


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[Assistant] I wrote an article that it was- I'll send you the article. I just read something that said it was a news reporter.


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[Assistant] With the combination of the sniffles, the bloody throats, and uh, G was puking blood.


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[Assistant] I will make this, I will make this the best Jace Medical Reader of all time. Uh, last night the Cavs... Bucks game was...


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[Assistant] No, they haven't. They have played a relatively weaker schedule, but with that being said, their best version of the team this year.


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[Assistant] I think it's one of those situations, Jay, where, theoretically speaking, in a vacuum, yes, it makes sense, but in the big picture, and we're gonna, I'm gonna ask this question tomorrow, of whether or not you think it, so don't, let's not, let's wait til tomorrow, but,


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[Assistant] Whether or not you think it's the midway point of the season, are the Cavs legitimate contenders or not? Are they in that small bubble of teams that you would not be shocked? And the reason I ask that, and you can think about this for that conversation, if you think they could be in that small bubble, then maybe you do push all your chips in. If you don't think you are, do you push a Mowgli chip in when you're still on the outside looking in?


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[Assistant] I think it's unlikely, Mike. Here's the dilemma with the, if you traded Mowgli situation. The teams in the East are all giant. I know. And this NBA season, if it's proven anything, it's-


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[Assistant] Biggs are kind of back in. Now, they're multi-faceted unicorn biggs who aren't stapled to the paint, which isn't necessarily the calves to biggs. However,


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[Assistant] It is tough to win. Let's say Jared Allen gets in foul trouble. If Damien James is your backup center at that point, if you want to go four and one out, like that's a tough, and you obviously would get a big back for Mowgli if that's the move you wanted to go. But I, there's hesitations about getting rid of your two bigs in a year where the bigs have dominated basketball.


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[Assistant] And it's hard to move those deals too with the second luxury. So the Garland thing, not only is, I mean, you don't want to trade Derek's Garland as a phenomenal player, but in the hypothetical world where you were to trade Derek's Garland?


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[Assistant] Couple super chats, we read one earlier, Gerald Jack says, Stump's gone, why? Which we talked about earlier, uh, in the interview, Deuce Staley. Gerald, if you missed that, go back, we had a whole conversation about that. Dontavious Winston says, I want to be top five in pre-snap motion.


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[Assistant] Great ones do it. Well, the couple guys we did mention as potential offensive coordinator candidates would be guys who bring a lot of pre-step motion to the table.


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[Assistant] Bevel comes from Miami, number one. Robinson from LA, number two. And last one, Taylor Summer says, I know you guys are more Brown Center, but now that the season's over, we'd love to hear some more Cavs and Guardians talk. Let's go Cavs. You're in luck. I promise you it's coming.


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[Assistant] I'll give you guys a little teaser. All five are very vastly different.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you brought it up because it put a smile on my face because it was something I had forgotten about and I'm glad it was brought back to my attention.


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[Assistant] How you doing over there on the other side of the glass, Mike? We're doing good. We're doing good. Anthony's back here clipping today. So if we're slow on tag board, give us, uh, give us a little second, but.


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[Assistant] We got a fan duel ticket, which is always fun, and we have 26 free agents coming out that we're gonna run through. Some guys that are big names, some guys that didn't play a single snap this season, but we're not missing a single one.


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[Assistant] So this person took the alternate totals, brought it down, but bet 20 different legs in the Cavs bucks game on Wednesday night.


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[Assistant] However, you turn 20 bucks into 376 bucks and 64 cents. It's a hell of a win.


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[Assistant] So he, this person, I'm not sure if it's a guy or a girl, this person took Donovan Mitchell over 21.5 points on the alternate, which lowers the odds, so the payout's much less.


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[Assistant] Doc is coaching tonight. Yes, and in some casualty news, Doc has poached Dave Yeager.


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[Assistant] Who was an analyst and, front office, uh, not front office, Jason, what's our analyst? Is that the right word? Consultant. Consultant. But he was with the Cavs and he is joining Doc River's staff. Is that confirmed? Yeah, Shams tweeted out 38 seconds ago. But Jaeger coached with Doc in Philadelphia last year, so now there's a little more.


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[Assistant] Let's start with Amari Cooper, guys. He had a fantastic season for the Browns this season. He's entering the final year of his contract. As of right now, he's due $20 million on the cap. The cap hit would be $23.8 million in 2024 with the bonus. He's 30 years old, and we know that's when the drop off for receivers typically happens. Not always, but typically. So if you're Andrew Barry in the Browns,


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[Assistant] And those all come with the price later. And you're probably going to restructure chub too.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's old. I wasn't there. He's been in the league for a while. He's 28. I don't want anything.


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[Assistant] I'll give you a name, Happy Face, if you think, not whether this should, but if you think he will be back in 2024. And Sad Face, if you think he'll be on another team.


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[Assistant] You know, this is what you think Andrew Berry will do. Will do. Not what you would personally do. Okay. Let's start with Zedarius Smith.


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[Assistant] All agree. Next, one of his fellow defensive linemates. How about Shelby Harris? Do you think he'll be back next season, or do you think he'll be a free agent?


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[Assistant] I mentioned this when we did this a couple of weeks ago in the fast version, Harris's durability is a reason I think. Yeaah. There's a good chance he could be bad. For a defensive tackle, he never really misses games. Alright, next up, how about Taki Taki? Phil did admirable.


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[Assistant] 10 guaranteed, something like that. That'd be great. Yep. Alright, next. Next up, Joe Flacco. Not should he, in your opinion. This is the hardest one. Do you think he'll be back? Yes or no?


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[Assistant] We did, uh, the other day when we did the discussion on that after the- What was the answer?


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[Assistant] I'm glad you guys got the joke about the backup quarterback. He was listening, obviously it was a tight end, but he took the fourth and one sneaks. Okay, glad that's out of the way. Next up, Marquise Goodwin.


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[Assistant] A guy we did not see much of this season due to injury. Would you take another flyer or no?


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[Assistant] Next up, Jordan Elliott, who had a bit of a renaissance this season with the Browns. Tough one. Yeah.


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[Assistant] What about Mike Ford? He filled in at cornerback duty at pretty good special teams or? That's why I like him.


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[Assistant] We talked about this next guy quite a bit this week, but if you're Andrew Berry, do you bring back Kareem Hunt in 2020?


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[Assistant] This next one's a twofer. Two linebackers who've more specialized in the special team side than on defense, but Matt Adams and Jordan Knasek.


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[Assistant] Doron Harmon, filled in admirably, late due to injury, but. I bring Doron Harmon back.


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[Assistant] We got five more run through these real quick. James Prochet, the punt returner. Pass. I thought he did a decent job, but will you bring him back? I'd bring him back.


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[Assistant] He hasn't played for two years. He can't stay healthy. I'm just pointing out. Uh, next up, Michael Dunne. Valuable sixth offensive lineman. He played a lot this year.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm just gonna tell you, there's two left. One of them might be fake. You gotta tell me if one of these is fake or not. Uh, next up, Ty Neschke.


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[Assistant] Kamara play a single snap? Uh, Kamara played special teams against Houston in week 16, whatever that game was.


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[Assistant] So we're gonna do our NFL picks after we do a little NBA talk. We'll do it right before we end up and go to WKYC. But first,


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[Assistant] A word from FanDuel and then we'll talk about Donovan Mitchell and the Eastern Conference All-Stars starters. The NFL's regular season may have wrapped up.


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[Assistant] The players in media voted on the Eastern Conference and Western Conference NBA All-Stars yesterday. Here is the Eastern Conference starters. You have Giannis, who's the captain, joined by Jason Tatum and Joel Embiid in the front court. Tyrese Halliburton and Damian Lillard are the two back court starters.


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[Assistant] So the question to you guys is, was Donovan Mitchell snubbed of one of the two backcourt starting spots on the Eastern Conference All-Star Team?


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[Assistant] Oh, oh, oh, I'll get that one sec, but fan votes 50% for the starters, players 25, and then medias 25, and then the coaches pick the seven reserves.


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[Assistant] In the fan vote, Damien Lillard finished third among Eastern Conference Scars. Donovan Mitchell finished fourth. Who finished second? Uh, Trey Young. And Halliburton, who deserved to be an All-Star starter.


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[Assistant] They're at least 41. Kazza played 42 games. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uh, Luka and SGA. The guard position is low. It is going to be really tough.


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[Assistant] I mean, Steph's in contention. You could look at, I mean, Lillard will be in contention for those spots.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's egregious that Lillard was named the starter. I would have voted for Mitchell person. I think that's exactly what I said.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think you can make a case that-


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[Assistant] Uh, it is what it is. We got one super chat that we're gonna give our picks for our final, uh, NFL.


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[Assistant] Well, we'll have that discussion probably next week, the front court in the east. I can't imagine they take two extra centers. I can't either. And he's not going to get ahead of Bam Adebayo in Miami. So I don't think so, but he sure as hell has a case to be there, Jason. Alright.


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[Assistant] And that is an issue, but like this year in particular, because Batonio can't play in the Pro Bowl because of his injury, Wyatt Teller got named to the spot. So now the Browns have two all Pro, or two Pro Bowl guards, even though, you're the Pro Bowl or you're not. It's not, there shouldn't be injury alternates that then get you on, cause then you have to have, I don't know, participation trophy, not taking anything away from Teller who had a great season. I'm just saying that. You are taking things away from Teller.


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[Assistant] But no, it's not a- Teller didn't do anything wrong here, just a stupid system. Like, you can't give another guy a Pro Bowl when your own guy's getting out. Alright. Uh, The Ultimate Show is by the way, next Friday, a week from today, the first ever Ultimate Show, myself, Jason talking, all things Gavs, and that launches daily content.


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[Assistant] Each day of the week, monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday of these new team-specific shows we're launching, we've got the Ultimate Browns with G. Bush, Ultimate 216, which is a culture sports combo with Earl the Pearl, myself, Jason, hosting the Ultimate Cav Show.


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[Assistant] And the Ultimate Guardian Show host TBD, but it'll be 30 minutes a week, team specific shows. You can't get better covers than the UCSS guys talking their expertise sports. And we're going to find a great host for the Guardian Show. So that's coming starting next Friday with the first ever Ultimate Cav show. Jay, quickly, do you know


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[Assistant] Let's get to the record though with our picks for, uh, championship Sunday. You got the Ravens and the Chiefs. You got the 49ers and the Detroit Lions. Uh, Bull, we'll start with you. We'll go around the horn. Who wins on Sunday? What are we seeing in the Super Bowl?


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[Assistant] He was 23 for 39, 252 yards, one touchdown and by my unofficial count. And if I remember correctly, he had about 73 missed drop interceptions. A lot of it. And he also had five drops.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's a, there's a lot to get into with this, and...


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[Assistant] Ken Dorsey obviously had a big job filling the shoes of Brian Dable when Dable left to become the head coach of the Giants. And he was Josh Allen's preferred choice to be the offensive coordinator.


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[Assistant] Low efficiency offense that leaned into these throws down the field and it was low percentage throws left and right and there was an offense that was completely reliant on big plays and then you move into the next season and you try to become this 12 personnel offense.


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[Assistant] And you become, you try to become an efficient offense and you just don't have the big plays. And so I felt like throughout the entire year and a half that Ken Dorsey was the Bills offensive coordinator, the team really had an identity crisis where they couldn't figure out exactly what they wanted to be. And I could appreciate how multiple.


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[Assistant] They tried to, to become, the problem was there was just no bread and butter that they can lean into, and you saw some streaky moments, and uhm,


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[Assistant] That became pretty clear, especially as he had the opportunity to have, you know, two off seasons to really install and build it in the way that he wanted to. And you to get a season and a half into this thing and still wondering what the heck the identity is, you know, it just wasn't clicking. And so.


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[Assistant] I'm fascinated to see what this looks like in Cleveland because of Kevin Stefanski, right? He's an offensive minded head coach. What, what type of role does Ken Dorsey have here? I'm guessing he's not a play caller. Is he installing his system? Is he just helping Stefanski coordinate what he does? Right? So I think I have a lot of questions about,


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[Assistant] How this all works together in Cleveland. If you had to ask me, okay, if Ken Dorsey was coming in.


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[Assistant] To install his offense and be the play caller, I would tell you that I think it's a terrible fit for John, for the Sean Watson and the style of quarterback that he is because what we learned about Ken Dorsey is he's very much a type of offensive coordinator that has answers baked into everything that he calls.


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[Assistant] But what has to happen is everyone has to be on the same page and see it the same way or else it doesn't work with any level of efficiency. And Deshaun Watson is not a very quick triggered quarterback that I wouldn't say is a fast processor, right? He's more of a...


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[Assistant] A visual thrower that can function off script. I don't know that that would be the great marriage that-


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[Assistant] You would love to have, but I don't think he's coming in to do that. And so I'm wondering, you know, how does he compliment Kevin Stefanski and what type of role does he really have as an offensive coordinator with an offensive minded head coach that I presume is going to continue to be the play call.


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[Assistant] Well, I think there's probably an argument to be made there, where I would, where I would steer that conversation is,


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[Assistant] No, the bills didn't invest a ton of like high draft picks in offensive talent, but they did in free agency and with trades, right? Like they...


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[Assistant] I think they did something pretty smart and I think a lot of teams potentially make a mistake doing this. They didn't put a developing quarterback.


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[Assistant] Around developing weapons, right? For Josh Allen, a raw quarterback coming out of Wyoming, instead of drafting a bunch of young players to develop with him,


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[Assistant] They went out and got veterans. They traded for Stefan Diggs. They signed John Brown who had 1000 yards. Cole Beasley who had the best seasons of his career.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they didn't invest a whole lot of draft capital in offensive players, but


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[Assistant] They brought in veterans to put around Josh Allen. I think that actually makes a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] Where perhaps the Bills made the biggest miscalculation on the offensive side of the football and building around Josh Allen has been at wide receiver two and this belief that Gabe Davis, it was going to become this option that's going to make teams pay for really caring a lot about Stefan Diggs. And so I think the disconnect between the reality of Gabe Davis and


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[Assistant] Physically, it was never the issue. Production's never the issue. Josh Allen's a quarterback. He's gonna score points. He's gonna score touchdowns. Most touchdowns in the NFL this season by a significant margin.


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[Assistant] Uh, it just didn't, it didn't match up well with the style of quarterback that Josh Allen was, and it felt like Josh had a big identity crisis with Ken Dorsey, whether it was, okay, we're going to become this vertical passing offense. Okay, we're not going to run Josh Allen. You know, it is just like, there was things that,


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[Assistant] They're, they've never found threading the needle between when to be aggressive, when to be efficient, and I thought that led to a disjointed scheme. And I thought what happened was, I think


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[Assistant] Ken Dorsey's a good play designer. I don't think he's a very good play caller in terms of how he sequences, layers things together. There, there just felt like there's a lot of meat on the bone. You're watching, uh, Josh Allen execute full field reads, but there's his first reads completely to his left. His second reads completely to his right. There's nothing coming back into his vision.


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[Assistant] Like there's just a lot of disjointed when you watch that offense under Ken Dorsey. And it was very refreshing when Joe Brady took over because all of a sudden you did see the intent. You saw motion that was designed to create space. You saw more of an identity for what the team was going to be. You saw Josh Allen having fun again. I mean, the guy looked like he was, was, had, uh,


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[Assistant] Been through uh, turmoil under Ken Dorsey with just the way that he was talking and using weird words like low positive, right? I guess I don't think it was a good marriage. I think that Ken Dorsey deserves another opportunity to be an offensive coordinator. I just don't think it was with Josh Allen. I think that


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[Assistant] Read coverage and say, okay, the, you got middle of the field closed. We're going to throw the ball outside the numbers, middle of the field open. We're going to work it to the middle, you know, middle of the field. You know, everyone's got to be on the same page with route adjustments. You know, if you want, if that's the type of quarterback that you got a Joe burrow, you got a Kirk cousins, you got one of these top tier processors in terms of.


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[Assistant] Ken Dorsey is going to be great, but when you have a quarterback like Josh Allen that just physically can do anything on the football field, when you don't really allow him to play within him being the best version of himself, I think that that's what took away from, you know, him being or him having


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[Assistant] Uh, more consistency early on. I know that statistically there's some, some good stories to tell along the way, but I think that the turnovers going down speaks to


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[Assistant] Joe Brady and how that offense was designed around Josh Allen for Josh Allen to just be able to play football as opposed to trying to make him a robot.


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[Assistant] Was over Ken Dorsey's head. It felt like it was some intent to it. Uh, I feel like there was, there's this thought that, you know, keeping Josh Allen healthy and wanting him available down the stretch and being selected with when he runs. And of course, you know, that


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[Assistant] Earlier in the season is when you're gonna be wanna, wanna be less interested in that. You know, I think, I think that you can, you could feel like it was a collaborative thing, but.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it certainly took away from the offense and, you know, at the time, Dorsey was the coordinator, so yeaah. I don't know if I can say that with, with a whole lot of confidence and you certainly asked me to.


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[Assistant] To give you a yes or no answer, but I think it's kind of a complicated


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[Assistant] So today man, I want, this is a Frank Lucas top. Frank Lucas. Frank Lucas. This, this is a, this is a, this is ten, this is $10,000 alpaca. You don't touch this. You don't pack this. You block this. This that browns alpaca. You don't want cops.


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[Assistant] Hey listen. Cause you never know with something like that. And then I, I, I, I, you know, I got my inner Pharrell on. I always love big hats, man. So shout out, this is Big Hat G, AKA Runway G. What? Oh, run like fashion runway. That's right. I get it.


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[Assistant] You got, well hold on, we've got glasses to go with the outfit. You can't, I gotta wait to put these on because, you know, once again, shout out to Bobby Brown. This is the Bobby Brown when he was married to Whitney. This is the first, this is, this is like 96 Bobby Brown. That's the crackin'


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[Assistant] I'ma tell you what, I don't want to be morbid. Uhm, but, you know, when you commit half of your life to doing something, especially bail the check, and you definitely talking about saving.


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[Assistant] You know, you quit, you quit doing football, you quit your routine. No, I know, I know. You worry about what comes next. Yeaah, because they, it's almost like they don't have anything to like live for. It's like, especially when you've been at the top of the, the pinnacle of the sport like that. And not just half of it.


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[Assistant] And the year that we won the state championship, we came up here and we played at, I think it's, uh, I think it's Dixfield, no, it's, we played Byersfield. Okay. And, uh, they beat us, uhm, 28-21.


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[Assistant] And like we were like, man, we kind of lost that game. We kind of got dropped out of like the national because we hadn't lost in like two years. So we got kind of dropped out in the national top 10.


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[Assistant] But, it was weird because we knew we would play them again, and for some strange reason, we just had a bunch of confidence that we could win that game. And we came out and we played at Kent State, and we came out and we got them down early. And it was like,


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[Assistant] We had the senior class with Mike Dawson and all those other guys and they played, but we just felt like...


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[Assistant] They just came off a win on the road. So now they got a little more, more confidence like, hey, we won on the road to get into playoffs. Now we got CJ back at home. We ready to go.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the run game is going to be pivotal because last game we played the sections, we didn't run the ball all that well and they had nothing for us. We just figured out that we could just throw the ball on you guys. Now, if they want to double bracket,


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[Assistant] That means somebody in the run game is going to have to do something. Yep. And that means one of the receivers is going to have to say that's disrespectful and I'm going, I'm going to kill you now.


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[Assistant] But they're gonna make you do that. I think that might be a s- and I don't think that you're gonna see a bunch of man coverage.


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[Assistant] The double moves of Mario Cooper was getting open on, on first down.


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[Assistant] You're right. So here's the wrinkle that's going to come. Watch for everybody at home. Watch for this. When I look at teams that play back to back or play twice in a year, I look at the coaches who kept something in the back pocket.


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[Assistant] Uh, I fully expect that Jim Schwartz is going to put Miles Garrett opposite of Laramie Tunsil. Laramie Tunsil.


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[Assistant] Elite. Elite tackle. Their best guy by far. Best, best guy. What they're gonna do is, we're gonna flip Miles Garrett around, and what they'll do is, when you're, when they're pass protecting,


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[Assistant] blitzes from J. O. K. Or right. Or even even nickel and we've seen that and we w make him make a decision a that off between the guard a a tight end over there. So one on one on the opposite


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[Assistant] That's going to make them say, okay, well, do we take Dalton Schultz out of this, this, uh, this route? Does he, does he have the chip? Is he going to stay in chip? And that's one of the things that really helped you because now you've got the corners to stay sticky. Plus you got Miles Garrett on a secondary tackle.


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[Assistant] Browns have learned to play like this. The Browns, I think it's an advantage for the teams.


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[Assistant] That have had the most adversity and continue to keep winning. Uhm, so you could have guy, you have a team who they lose a lot of their key players and guess what happens.


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[Assistant] They just fold up and they're not in the playoffs. Now you got a team that did have a lot of injuries. They didn't fold. Actually, they excelled in certain areas, got better. Now it doesn't, if somebody goes down.


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[Assistant] That's the problem, right? I go back to the LeBron days, right? Remember when LeBron couldn't get over Detroit?


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[Assistant] And it was just like, he, he put the team on his back and you had Drew Goodman and Zee and Ira Newble and those guys. But LeBron was the best player.


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[Assistant] And he had to take his warts and lumps and everything to learn how, okay, well these guys ain't gonna get no better. I need to learn how to fix my game and mold my game to make an impact because I'm that guy. So when you look at the defensive line being out,


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[Assistant] That's a massive thing for them because they were already deficient. If you look across the spectrum,


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[Assistant] They, I don't give them any match-up. I think the Browns are better than them, or slightly better in every area of the football game. Whether that's O-line, I give them D-line, whether that's the linebackers, the secondary, even, the only one that you can say is even close is,


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[Assistant] The quarterback. And you don't even really, it's a toss up because of the way Joe Flacco is playing and his experience.


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[Assistant] Against the Jets, a defense alignment, tipped the ball up in the air, picked it up, went to the house. Yes. So he, I mean, he don't, I would say that he has about... He's got eight, but we could put five on him. Yeaah, he got eight, I can say he, and...


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[Assistant] And two of those were bad picks. Like I thought the bad pick against the Rams when we were doing the double coverage. That was bad. That was a bad pick. Uhm, he's had some of those. I think one or two of them though.


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[Assistant] John, you know, we talked about them playing the four out, one in.


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[Assistant] Now will you fast forward this thing till you get Mobly back?


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[Assistant] What are you gonna do? Is it a thing where you gotta split them two up? Maybe bring one off the bench to continue to keep the four shooters around one big. How do they, you know, how do they keep this cohesiveness in the ball moving when you bring back another ball dominant guard and another big that is kind of in the same mode as Jared Allen?


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[Assistant] See, this is the thing that they have to be worried about is...


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[Assistant] If you don't pay attention to them like that, unlike the Texans, they don't have a secondary hitter, you know, home run hitter.


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[Assistant] Right now, David Njoku is the biggest home run hitter in the game when it comes to tight ends. And the fact that he catches the ball and runs past everybody or runs over everybody, it just goes to show you the way the game evolves.


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[Assistant] No longer, so what happened is you got safeties, right? The safeties used to be the big hitters, the guys that came up and punished people over the middle, but you can't hit that way anymore.


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[Assistant] So now the game plan is, all right, well, let's go to corners. How's about we, we rotate our bigger corners and play corners at safety and have, and we could get smaller in the secondary because all we're doing is covering the ball anyway.


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[Assistant] Now, you get guys rumbling around like a David and Joku who catches the ball in open territory. And if the linebacker doesn't get him down...


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[Assistant] You know what's so fascinating, guys, is you go, even go back to the year, 2019, uh, when you had Odell Beckham and Jarvis, go back further. You could, you go back, I would say maybe 10, 15 years.


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[Assistant] Cleveland Browns never, ever, ever, ever completed deep balls. There was no, I could count on my hand.


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[Assistant] He said a deep ball is a good one. He said multiple deep balls to David and Joke, who's throwing a ball deep in Mario Cooper. I mean, so it's just like, it's this part of the playbook that's been opened up now.


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[Assistant] That it's weird because I'm not used to seeing it. I think we all aren't used to seeing that. Like, we're not used to seeing guys, you know, take deep shots. We, we've taken shots before, but you know, they always talk about it. Some of those deep shots are just generated because you want to put a flag. You're like, let's throw it up here and see if we can get something.


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[Assistant] All linebackers have keys. Their keys are usually linebackers key to guards, right? Your defensive lineman usually key to tackles and then your safeties look at your tackles and tight ends. So when you got play action, play action is just not really, um, just for the quarterback. When you have your offensive lineman,


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[Assistant] coming off the ball and, and, and imitating run blocking and they're really run blocking. But the thing is they can't go down field.


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[Assistant] one yard where they can't but if you're good at wha that and you could put yo say, okay, I just need to


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[Assistant] The keys is a false read. Right, sure. So false reads for linebackers are devastating. Pulling linemen, bringing the action back this way because they're taught to read wherever the guard goes, that's 90% of the play.


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[Assistant] I think the wide receivers will be consistent because Joe Flacco is playing. If you look at it, I don't, when they thought about David Bell, he's caught the ball, right?


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[Assistant] When they throw it into Elijah Moore, for the most part.


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[Assistant] He's caught the ball. When they throw the David and Joku, then he's caught the ball.


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[Assistant] That's hard to say because I used to always ask myself.


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[Assistant] Why are these routes never available when the Browns play? Seems like these guys are in a phone booth. Guys are all over us. We throw it into double and triple coverage. It was like just to move the chains. It just felt like the Browns' previous offenses were just bottled up. And now you're starting to see


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[Assistant] You know what, I've just, I've gone back. And because I, you know, have all these games in all 22 and I went back a little bit during the Cincinnati Week and was watching it. There are a lot of times where


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[Assistant] They're calling these same type plays, right? For all the quarterbacks. P.J. Walker, DTR. Why are they working with Flacco? Because Flacco...


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[Assistant] He's taking certain things. He's taking that little check down. He's taking those little small routes that you don't really, the other guys are looking for big plays. There's times where there may be a guy coming open for 10 yards.


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[Assistant] And you're looking deep to get the big play. You're looking for the big shot play. And the great thing about what Flacco does is if you notice how many opportunities you see, either Jerome Ford or a Barry Cooper have the ability to catch the ball and run afterwards.


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[Assistant] And we, we weren't seeing that. Sometimes you just gotta take that. And if you keep taking that check down or keep taking that, that little dump offer, you keep taking that.


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[Assistant] And guys are running, you know, after the catch, they're going to be frustrated. And when they get frustrated, they're going to come up and then you can get your D shot. So it's timing, you think? It's timing. And that's a better and savvy, just knowledge of the game. Yeah, just I don't, knowing that I don't have to get that right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, good chess player. Or you get older, you know what I'm saying? So you got a little expendable income. You start working, you get a job, and you be like, uh, I don't really need that. I don't need that car yet. I'll check on it in a year or so.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, I don't even think he's thinking out there. You know how you get to a point, and I remember this, like, you guys would do shows, and you know, Bull, you know this.


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[Assistant] You know, you used to do 5 hour shows. And as you became a veteran,


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[Assistant] You could do a five hour show by yourself with no guest and no partner. Somebody be out sick. But you get to this rhythm where it's like, okay, I got this scripted thing in my back pocket. Hour or two, I'm going to go off on this tangent over here. And you just pretty much going off, off no script. You good.


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[Assistant] And when you start to play when you're not thinking.


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[Assistant] There was no, there's no intimidation. There's no negativity. It's like he's out there playing with this free spirit. Like there's nothing and I've seen that before and playing against other quarterbacks where it was just like, oh yeah, we ain't winning this game. Ain't nothing we can do about it. Yeah. You can just tell by the confidence in the air around the quarterback.


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[Assistant] I gotta ask, since we're in Pittsburgh, I gotta ask you this question. Is there, is there any way...


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[Assistant] What is the path to victory for the Steelers over the Bills? I'm doing some deep math here. Is there any way, what, what do they gotta do? I want, I want the Steelers to win for one week only. Uh, what do they gotta do to, uh, to beat the Bills or do they have a shot?


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[Assistant] I'll flip it. I'll flip it. I'll flip it. Okay. The Browns win this week, right?


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[Assistant] What is the storyline if Joe Flacco goes into Baltimore? You know that team. Are there going to be people that really are kind of torn between Joe Flacco? Because that's a big storyline.


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[Assistant] I don't care if that was right, I don't care if that was true, it's Jim Brown, and he got more rushing yards than everybody. Exactly.


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[Assistant] No, all time. G Bush says false. All time leading receiver with touchdowns. Stop. Well, he wants us to go.


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[Assistant] Okay, I got this and I, yeaah, it's easy money.


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[Assistant] You know, Bernie, let's stay right there on our mindset. You know, we'll flip over to, from CJ Stroud to, if you were in the position of Joe Flacco, you know, obviously you've called your own plays, you've been pivotal in the offensive, you know, the philosophy that you guys had when you were playing back then.


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[Assistant] What would be your goal, uh, offensively in this game? How would you come out and start this game? What would your script look like? Would you come out and try to start off fast? Would you come out running the ball, throwing the ball, short stuff? What would you want to do against the Texans team, uhm, in the first few drives that you had the ball to set the tone?


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[Assistant] You ain't not gonna get no worse. If you ain't got it by now, you ain't getting it. So we just focusing on, on Saturday. And to be truthful, I think that that's the mind state of a lot of people. Cause you know, for me, I'm just sitting here and as we're talking about it, days gone, like I'm over here like,


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[Assistant] I'm getting chills, I'm up my spine, I'm getting, like we talking about the game, I'm excited, I'm like dang man, it's only like Thursday bro, like.


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[Assistant] It's tough for players in general to sit back and relax, right? You can't sleep, you didn't get good rest. It's one of those things where you're playing and everybody's watching you, man. Everybody's watching you on Saturday, bro.


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[Assistant] And by the way, McNuggets, by the way, McNuggets, when we was doing the summer league tour, remember I was talking about Sam Merrill? Remember I was talking about them young boys?


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[Assistant] They pull a lot. They pull a lot. We call it a GT. They usually pull the guard and tackles and do some things like that. You'll see the guards moving a lot. You always deal with this, do you? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Shout out to Diamond, uh, but, uh. What show is that from? Uh, that show, they're on Love and Hip Hop, but they're- It's a song, it's a song. Alright, I do- the reference was totally-


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[Assistant] And by the way, by the way, the best player in the field is Miles Garrett. So Miles Garrett be the best player in the field.


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[Assistant] G is really changing up the look. It's almost like he's searching for a lane, but he's got every lane covered.


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[Assistant] Let's get it. Big show today. Browns made a coaching move. Uh, they might be about to lose a very important piece to their assistant coaching tree.


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[Assistant] Uh, Tyvis is gonna talk to us about the importance of an assistant coach or a position coach. So I'm really interested to hear what he has to say to that. A lot to get to in today's show, including the Cavs won again last night. They've won eight games in a row. They continue to do it with the four shooters in the big. Jared Allen, 12 straight double-double. That's obviously a club record.


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[Assistant] That's great. I'm looking forward to seeing the clips that we bring on the show, but also seeing the entire interview on your podcast, Plug, where fans can get that and when you see it.


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[Assistant] If I bet, I think that's the way I would do it. Because not that it always carries over from the first half to the second half, but at least you get a sense.


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[Assistant] She was just, she just gained admittance, shout out to Maddie, to Rutgers, uh, PA school. She wants to be a physician's assistant. Okay. And she got accepted at USC, she got accepted at some really difficult schools to get into. She's brilliant, 4.0, never got to be in her life.


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[Assistant] She, she's now, I don't want to say stuck at Rutgers for the next two years, but she'll be there for the next two years, so likely Cory is not going to accept the job to go somewhere else. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] It's a group effort on offense. Yeaah. Cause Jason has said that Stefanski had the field well.


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[Assistant] And that lends itself well to having guys like this in the room and say, hey coach, I've got something for you. Let's kick the tires on this.


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[Assistant] On the schemes from college transferring to the NFL, Tyvis, you can speak to this. I think there are some things you can bring from college to the NFL. I think most of those have already been brought over.


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[Assistant] I've talked to guys about that very thing, transferring schemes and things you do in college to the NFL. What they always say is,


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[Assistant] So a lot of that stuff may not transfer. I think what they did here, and I like this, I think this is a smart move by Aslins. Or whoever pulled the trigger on this. Probably Andrew Berry.


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[Assistant] He is of the, he is, he fits the bracket, the, the, the


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[Assistant] The peg of what is hot right now in the coaching circles in the NFL.


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[Assistant] He's a young offensive mind with pedigree. His father was an assistant coach for the Browns. Jim Donovan told a great story yesterday on the 5 o'clock show with me.


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[Assistant] He said he remembers meeting Tommy Reese when he was a young boy, when his dad was an assistant with the Browns. He had him on the field and they were very excited because the next week they were going to watch the Michigan Notre Dame game.


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[Assistant] So I think it's probably his lifelong goal. He achieved it. I love that about him. You know, I love that he had a big dream as a young guy and he went out and he caught it.


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[Assistant] A talented tight end for the Cleveland Browns, who for every year the adjective used to describe him was potential.


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[Assistant] You know, at the end of the day, and I don't mean to minimize these positions. I don't. I know they do a lot more, but...


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[Assistant] If it's, if you're going to reward a coach,


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[Assistant] Alabama this year, closely enough, or Notre Dame last year, I just saw each of them a few times. Nothing stood out to me about their philosophy or their play calling, but to Typhus' point, he did run offenses that suited their personnel, which I like. He can morph, you know, it's not like he's like, nope, I'm gonna run spread and that's all I'm gonna run.


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[Assistant] He can run a pro-style set like he did in Notre Dame. I just like the pedigree.


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[Assistant] The pedigree of this hire is good. I always like it when teams draft players from power five top schools.


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[Assistant] Because, and this is something I picked up from Jason. Jason tells me this over and over again. The man has zero ego. And I think from this perspective, you've gotta have, for it to work, the head coach has to be open to ideas from all these visitors. But you're right, if you do get a position coach in here,


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[Assistant] Who's full of himself and was formerly a play caller. It might not be long before he's looking at head coach saying, he's not doing this right. And then you could fracture.


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[Assistant] The one reason, I mean, I think Bill Belichick is the greatest ever to do at any level and any era. I think Nick Saban's probably better to say number two. I think Saban's number two. But one of the things that always stands out to me about Belichick were from every, from what I can tell, he was different from every other head coach. And there's a lot of evidence to this.


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[Assistant] And he's told this story two or three times. Leroy Hoard has said...


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[Assistant] It was that kind of intimate knowledge. And the other thing that tells me that


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[Assistant] He was the greatest coach ever. His assistant coaches, you would think


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[Assistant] had a lot to do with his success. I mean, he had a lot to do with Bill Parcell's success. Bill Parcell's did not have the same success without Belichick on his staff. But when you look at the many, many, many coaches who had multiple opportunities in the NFL to show their wares, that fell flat on their face once they got out of Belichick's crib.


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[Assistant] It's astounding. His coaching tree is zero. And he might be one of the only great coaches that didn't have a great coaching tree. And they still keep getting chances and they suck every time. They do. Guys have been fired twice. They get a third time.


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[Assistant] Let's face it, Falcons aren't interviewing him, he's interviewing the Falcons.


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[Assistant] I think maybe one or two years Lane brought Monty on as his D coordinator.


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[Assistant] But it is kind of cool. It all depends on, you know, and there might be, there might be something to this too. I love my dad. I don't want to work with my dad. That's true. There might be something to that.


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[Assistant] It all depends on the kind of relationship they have. But look, if he leaves, I think everybody's gonna understand. But to answer Mike's question,


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[Assistant] As from an assistant coach perspective than to lose Bill Callahan. The job that he has done, he's widely regarded as not just the best offensive line coach. I've heard guys refer to him as the best


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[Assistant] But a lot of them, but I think he also is the run game coordinator. Look, if I'm, if I'm his son, I absolutely want this guy's wealth of experience. He's coached in the Super Bowl. He got it handed to him, but...


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[Assistant] He passed around to those that cover the coaching circles and they have said. He's off the radar. That the ship has probably sailed for him as a head coach. He's a coordinator. They didn't definitively say that. They said look if he comes back next year has the number one ranked defense and the Browns go to the Super Bowl, someone will hire him.


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[Assistant] That's right, but there is something interesting that we can point out about that we know the league is a copycat league and we know that lately, the last decade plus, the coaches that are getting chances are young offensive coordinators. However, because it's a copycat league and because everybody's looking at what D'Amico did in Houston,


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[Assistant] Now, even though most of what they did there was on the offensive side of the ball, you might see another defensive minded coach get a chance.


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[Assistant] Crazy to me, in both instances they took the wrong quarterback.


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[Assistant] When Jacksonville took Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields was available.


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[Assistant] I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised.


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[Assistant] The problem is, if you decide to go lenient,


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[Assistant] And child takes the wrong road. Now there's division between the parents who couldn't come up with the co- with the parenting philosophy.


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[Assistant] The parent who wanted to be strict is saying, we gave him rope and look where he went.


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[Assistant] So, there's always gonna be that. I take this, I'm a little concerned.


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[Assistant] Did Stump Mitchell go to Kevin Stefanski and say, Coach, I'm on him as hard as I can get on him.


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[Assistant] He needs to hear this. Sounds like he said I tried interventions.


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[Assistant] You've tried everything you can with the player, and they just aren't listening.


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[Assistant] Sometimes the scarlet letter isn't the first, isn't where the discipline train starts, it where, it's where it ends. So what I'm saying is,


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[Assistant] He's telling us we tried interventions. I tried everything I could to get through to the player. My regret is I couldn't. So maybe he's doing this not to spite or vindictive or anything else. Maybe he's doing that because he says, I don't know what else to try with Kareem. I love Kareem like a child.


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[Assistant] He's at the end of his rope. He doesn't work hard. All he's good for is the short yardage stuff. We've got Nick Chubb. We're good. Nick Chubb goes down. Now all of a sudden they're looking around saying who's going to get third and gold from the locker.


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[Assistant] Yes, they don't need, they don't, by the way, they don't need Stop Mitchell to confirm what they already know about, about Kareem Hunt.


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[Assistant] Deshaun plays the whole season, wins the division, gets a home playoff game, wins that playoff game, plays well. Baker plays 5 games and goes 4-1. How many people do you think


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[Assistant] You have to consider the money because the money raises the expectations.


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[Assistant] They just went to the playoff. So how big of a disaster was it if they went to the playoff? In fact, in the first season, he was suspended for 11 games. Disaster. He didn't get, no, no, no.


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[Assistant] You didn't say I wouldn't be suspended. Exactly, but that's like saying you can't blame someone for going to prison because the judge sent him there.


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[Assistant] 11 games he didn't play well in 6. 17 games, disaster. He wasn't there. Even in his absence.


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[Assistant] You can't forget about it. Okay, so, so I'll stop. For me, by the way, if they gave, uh, Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] But because he had six games last year, I can't keep pushing the, kicking that can down the road. And here's why I can say that even less because Joe Flacco came in and Joe Flacco wasn't doing anything. And Joe Flacco made this offense look as good as it's looked since Baker was here.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but I also think what Joe, what Kevin wants to run suits Joe's game. So yeaah, I agree with that.


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[Assistant] So what I'm saying is to you, and that's to my point to Deshaun Watson, I've lived here, or I've been from here.


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[Assistant] Underwhelming might be the most fair word because our expectations were here. He missed a lot of games. Sometimes he played here, sometimes he played here, but it was all below what we expected and that makes it underwhelming.


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[Assistant] But they tell you when they're looking for it and what they're looking for.


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[Assistant] I counter the terrible teams with this. Even though the average margin of victory is, would you say, 22?


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[Assistant] But I said at the time I go to Donovan Mitchell and I say here's our plan.


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[Assistant] We have figured out that we're at our best with one of the two. We want the one to be you.


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[Assistant] You sign our extension right now, we trade Darius Garland and get you more pieces to win a championship here. You refuse it, we trade you now, and Garland is our guy moving forward. On the Mowgli front, I said, is it worth


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[Assistant] Investigating what you could get for this guy. Everybody seems to think he's going to be the guy that delivers this championship.


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[Assistant] a lot of minutes where the together. Yeah. And what w this happens. I think wha


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[Assistant] This was an unintended consequence of an injury, of two key injuries. What they have stumbled upon was what I was begging JB to do in the playoffs. I was actually actually begging him to do it in March and April.


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[Assistant] Mess around with your combinations. Figure out what is your best combination.


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[Assistant] They did it this year only because Mowgli and Garland got hurt and what we have discovered. And it's a small sample size and I will give you that. And I'm very curious to see how that holds up against Milwaukee. But I'm gonna say this.


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[Assistant] If they buy some weird freak miracle, beat Milwaukee the next two games, my mind is solidified. This is it.


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[Assistant] The general consensus is he will not only be that guy, but he'll be better. His ceiling is higher than Alan's. I think that's fair.


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[Assistant] Let's figure out what we have, and this is a great opportunity to do it, even when they come back, I still want to see mixing and matching with guys. I do agree that they put their foot in it with, not put their foot in it, that makes it seem like they had no idea what they were doing.


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[Assistant] How, how exciting is it? It, it's, it's a thrill. I, I got the text message in November. Uh, what am I doing on, what's today, January the 11th?


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[Assistant] There is plenty of entry, because the Cavaliers have won 8 of their last 11 games. And those 11 games have come with Evan Mobley and Darius Garland sideline. And in those 11 games, the Cavaliers have the second most assists in the NBA.


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[Assistant] J.B. Bickerstaff has this team playing 4-out-1-in, and Allen's creating match-up nightmares. And, and the Nets are shorthanded today. They're gonna be without Dayron Sharp. They're, they're back up big. It's all on Nick Claxton.


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[Assistant] And nobody in the Cavs would have predicted for him to, to step up with some double figure performances and get hot from three. So they've got something good going for him. You know why? They're playing team basketball. Earlier in the season, there was only one basketball and certain guys got to get theirs.


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[Assistant] So, I wouldn't go too far into that, but I think to your point, maybe that usage, maybe those early touches,


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[Assistant] Out physical against the Knicks. There's, not Mike, he did. He did.


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[Assistant] And he goes, I know we all judge what happens in the springtime. But he said, Jared Allen is a dog.


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[Assistant] He comes in every day. He goes to work. He doesn't complain. He's a great culture guy. And I'm telling you guys, I'm working with Sarah Kustak this afternoon. Sarah does games with Eye and Eagle for the Nets on the Yes Network. Brooklyn misses Jared Allen. They miss him in a big way because he is a locker room


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[Assistant] I think the Cavs are exploring all options there on the perimeter. Mobley's not going anywhere. How do they figure that out? It's tough, you know why?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna tell you about what's gonna happen in the game on Sunday. It doesn't matter, right? Maybe it does. We're gonna talk about it in pre-written headlines. We do it every week. Mikey.


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[Assistant] I totally agree. I think it's a testament to the coaching when you can get five different quarterback. By the time you get down to your fifth quarterback, you're talking about Uber drivers. And to get these guys ready to play in NFL games, they come out and win.


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[Assistant] And, and I mean it sounds like the Bengals are going to be playing their starters for the most part. They have nothing left to play for, but their top guys are still going to be out there. You go out there and you win that game. That's really a testament to Kevin Stefanski and his offensive staff being able to get guys ready to play and being able to operate


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[Assistant] With different quarterbacks, no matter who the quarterback is in the system, getting the most out of them. So I'm, I'm fascinated to watch Driscoll for a variety of reasons. I think he could have play-off implications on this roster if he plays well. I don't think this is just a throw away, get in and get out game. I think there could be some long-term impact if he does well. So I'm really curious to see what he does.


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[Assistant] I totally agree. I've kind of come around. I think he's actually, I've always thought he should win it. I didn't think he will. I think he's going to.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we had Tim Couch on the YouTube show and Tim said how fast he is and he's a better runner than people realize. And my colleague at the Athletics, Zach Jackson, joked earlier this week, Kevin wants to be on the bus by 3.45. Sort of seeing what you were saying. They're just going to run. I still think they're going to throw it because I still think


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[Assistant] There's a chance Jeff Driscoll is the backup quarterback for the Browns in the postseason.


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[Assistant] I just don't think that there's any faith in PJ Walker because he's been such a turnover machine. So in order to do that, you have to see what Jeff Driscoll can do with the ball in his hands and not necessarily with his feet. So I do think they're going to throw it, maybe run a little bit more run-heavy than they've been in the past, but I think that this is a real look at Jeff Driscoll to see if he should be the backup to Joe Flacco when the playoffs begin next week.


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[Assistant] I'll take the over on that. I don't know if he's going to get to 100, but I've been impressed with Tillman the last few weeks. He's really come on as a, as a target that I think Flacco trusts. Obviously he's got a new quarterback throwing to him, but I do think that they're going to throw the ball on Sunday. I think they want to see what Jeff Driscoll has. And if, if in an emergency situation, if Flacco were to get hurt,


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[Assistant] Can he be a backup? So, and I expect Tillman to be the leader receiver. You can't play Amari Cooper this week. I do think you can't sit everyone.


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[Assistant] Roster limits will prevent that from happening, but Amari is one of those guys you have to sit. Obviously he's got the injury and more importantly, I know I just said Driscoll could be the backup, but right now he's a backup quarterback and you can't take the risk of Driscoll putting the ball in a bad spot. Amari is stretching for a catch and injuring himself.


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[Assistant] So, Tillman probably is the number one option in this offense right now, I would think, going into this game.


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[Assistant] And Joku probably will say, I probably, uh, so I think Toman is certainly among the receivers, he's going to be the primary option.


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[Assistant] The trend has always been young offensive minded guys as head coaches. It's not always like Robert Salas out there and Sean McDermott.


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[Assistant] But you know, Jim is a little bit on the older side and he has a defensive background. Those are things working against him really. I think he's earned another opportunity. I think he should get another opportunity, but you know.


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[Assistant] The Bengals defensive coordinator, I thought, earned an opportunity last year to be a head coach. And didn't get it. And he didn't get it. So, I'm curious to see how this goes with Jim. I was kinda getting the impression that he was content.