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[Assistant] Let's go right to, let's go next one then. If we all agree, Emerson has two picks. Yes. Will he finish with five?


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[Assistant] We got a decent amount of super chats. Don Tavius Winston says, I still can't believe Jason thought it was a mistake to play Watson versus the worst team in the NFL, but bring him back versus Baltimore with no game reps in weeks with three laughing games.


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[Assistant] Next up is from Vernell Jackson. He says, in games Watson played the entire game, we've outscored opponents 132 and are 3-1. I think we're fine on Sunday. Go Browns.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up from Akimbo RPGs. He said they should use Pierre Strong like they used Nick Chubb. Timeless. The MC says the Browns can go undefeated for the rest of the season. You guys will still invent something negative. Just watch the games. Much love.


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[Assistant] Mbine says, Amari's impact to the team makes him a top 10 receiver. Devoid Archangle says, is Injoku's burn incident equal to Brennan hitting the bird?


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[Assistant] Okay. Okay. Last one comes from our guy, Daryl. He said Browns went at the defense cause it's two plus turnovers. Schwarzenegger's defense on offense featuring in Joku.


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[Assistant] Where you have your guys. I mean, you've got to be stout all the way across and, you know, the guys in the middle, Roquan Smith and those guys are, are, are really, really strong as well. So this is a really, really formidable Baltimore Ravens defense. I would put James in.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's so much at stake here, but here's the thing. Here's the thing about Deshaun Watson heading into this game.


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[Assistant] I think he can't make it too big for himself. I think he's gotta stay right within himself.


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[Assistant] And not put too much pressure on himself in this game as though it's Super Bowl or bust if he doesn't win this game.


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[Assistant] You know, he just has to, he's gotta be the leader. They have to be able to look to him and see that he is cool, calm, collected, poised, and that he just has the belief and knowledge that he can go out and beat this team in the way that he knows that he can.


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[Assistant] Well, this is the reason why you paid him $230 million to come here to the Cleveland Browns and get this team to the Super Bowl. So yes, these are the very games that you have to win.


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[Assistant] Takeaways now, they're getting those takeaways, uh, and they're gonna have to continue to do that. Miles is gonna have to have, uh, a game of his life. He's gonna have to have a game for the ages, a generational edge-rusher type of game. I mean, this is gonna be...


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[Assistant] Speed, he provides good hands out of the backfield, a nice change up to Jerome, helping to keep Jerome fresh when he's coming off of a high ankle sprain or still dealing with a high ankle sprain. Uh, you know, completely different style than a Kareem Hunt who is your bruiser.


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[Assistant] And your power back. So I think the three of these guys make a really nice committee and I think they will be able to keep


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[Assistant] The Ravens off guard a little bit. So I think they're getting the running game accomplished. I always thought that they would. Nobody can be Nick Chubb in and of themselves, but when you put all these guys together, you know, they are getting the running game accomplished and they're number three in the NFL right now in rushing yards per game. So it seems to be working.


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[Assistant] against the Cardinals just a little bit because this is going to be a completely different level of football on Sunday in Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Uh, you get all of these other guys involved and you spread around all the production and all the dogs eat and everybody feels good about themselves and when they know that they have a chance to go out there and light it up and tear it up, then you're gonna get their best games as well.


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[Assistant] But we must remember that the first half of the season had a lot to do with, in the beginning they were trying to figure out, alright, what do we do with him? How does it work in a game?


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[Assistant] I got a question for you live on Air McNuggets. Shoot. So like you say half brother or sister if you don't have the same parents.


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[Assistant] Plus, ba-da-da-da-da, you're loving him. Mikey McNuggets.


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[Assistant] And I'm Jason Lloyd. We're going to talk to Bernie Kozar, the last quarterback to go up to Seattle and win. Mikey.


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[Assistant] I'll split the middle. If he can complete 60% of his passes. Okay. Don't turn it over as G said. The Browns haven't played a clean game all year. Hold onto the ball, protect the ball, stay in front of the change. I don't care if it's second in seven, just don't be second in 13. Stay in front of the chains.


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[Assistant] Keep possession of the ball. Don't throw bad passes. Don't throw incompletions. If he's completing 60% around 180 to 200 yards with no turnovers,


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[Assistant] Jed Wills back at practice today. That's a good sign. He should be able to play. He missed yesterday's practice. There's questions about him having your left tackle. Even though he's had problems this year, having your left tackle in there is huge.


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[Assistant] But that has a lot to do with it. Like we've talked all year about, well the Browns need to upgrade a receiver. Well do we really know that? Or do they just need better quarterback play so that you can properly evaluate the receivers? And they go hand in hand. Amari's biggest play last week was the, was the illegal contact penalty that he drew.


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[Assistant] In the end zone that negated the turnover. So, he's a veteran, he's gonna get open.


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[Assistant] PJ just has to find him. And in order to find him, you gotta give him time. You gotta protect him, you gotta give him time.


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[Assistant] And you have to put Amari in positions to where PJ can make the throws because there's a lot of throws he can't make. We've seen him on the run trying to throw across the body down the middle of the field and he skips those passes. So you have to put Amari in spots where PJ is going to see him and be able to get him the ball.


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[Assistant] Jenna Walker is better than Gino Smith, but I think Gino can hurt them more because the Browns have been more susceptible to big plays in the past game. The defense has been terrific this year. A lot of the advanced metrics, the run game is still really solid despite what Indianapolis got off a couple of runs. Baltimore, Gastrum a couple times.


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[Assistant] The run game has been sound. The pass, they've been vulnerable defensively, if you want to call it that. So for that reason, even though I think Walker's a better player, I think they're more vulnerable to Gino in the pass.


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[Assistant] Bobby Wagner, just because of the impact that he has on the defensive side of the ball for the Seahawks. One of the best defensive players in the game. He's not to miles level, but boy, he's really good. He can impact a game on a number of levels.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Kenneth Walker for me too. I actually had Denzel four and Kenneth Walker five. Maybe I had Walker a little bit low, but that's how close I think the matchup is between DK and Denzel. I had him back to back on my list.


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[Assistant] Jason? Yeaah, that's exactly where I was gonna go, just the fact that...


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[Assistant] You know what's funny? I thought about this yesterday. Remember when Mike was giving us those ridiculous, what's more likely to happen? They were totally ridiculous. One of them was Deshaun would get benched. Well guess what? Deshaun got benched. Essentially he did. He got benched. He wasn't pulled for medical reasons. His shoulder was medically cleared.


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[Assistant] Don't know how. I don't, I mean. I think he just said that just to get out of the press conference and tap down the phone.


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[Assistant] No, they're not. I don't. They're not. I've been telling you guys, and Paul's been telling you guys for years, he's a pretty good coach. Is he a lead? Is he one of the top three to five coaches in the league? No, I'm not gonna say that.


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[Assistant] But he's, I'm telling you, he's keeping them, look at the quarterback, the list of quarterbacks that he's winning with since he got here. It's unbelievable. And they, what we said earlier about just the tenacity, we talked about that gut punch of a Jets game last year. A horrible way to lose a game. What'd they do? They came back four days later and they beat Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] They lose a terrible game at Pittsburgh this year. What'd they do? They came back the next week and won again. So they do have that, like, people want to make fun of him for his raw, raw post game speeches and, you know, it's, it's kind of awkward and whatever.


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[Assistant] But these guys believe in a man, and they're fighting for him. Whether it's him or each other, whatever. He is getting the most out of this roster. I don't think there's any debate about that at this point. For this team to be 4-2, you're down, you now lost Nick Chubb, you've lost his backup, you've lost Jerome Ford, I don't know how, we don't know yet how serious it is, but you're down to,


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt, who was selling white walls three weeks ago and working out at Planet Fitness, he's now your starting tailback as of right now until we know the severity of Jerome Ford.


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[Assistant] That's going to allow you to reach the heights that you could with him.


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[Assistant] So, and even if you have to stretch this out and he had, and I asked him point blank at his locker last week, there is no surgery on the horizon. He said, no, I don't need surgery. There's, it's never been talked about.


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[Assistant] surgery coming. Now, is that true? I don't know. Nothing else that's been said has been true up to this point. No, they've missed it all. I'm just telling you, he, there is no, from their vantage point, there's no surgery coming. But let's say for the sake of argument, there is some sort of procedure that has to be done. There's plenty of time.


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[Assistant] From January to have any sort of procedure you need and be ready to go for training camp next year. I do think you need to sit them. You can't put them on IR if you want them back for Baltimore because that's only three weeks away and Baltimore and IR is four weeks. So you've already missed that window of putting them on IR.


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[Assistant] But I, I agree with G, I would sit him until Baltimore at the, at the earliest, but I don't think that you shut him down for the year because I don't see the upside of that. He can still be healthy and recovered for next year and you're all in right now to win this year.


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[Assistant] They split reps all week that week. DTR took the pass reps. Deshaun took the run reps. It is, I, I think it is, it's rash to, to cross him off the list off of one bad game. That's his first game. But they're in a position right now. I, I, I, they're in a, they're in a really tough spot and I wrote today,


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[Assistant] They should go get Jacoby Brissett. YES! And that's, I mean, I was the one saying all last year, they punted the season because they handed Jacoby Brissett. Here's the difference. What, with this defense? Here's the difference for me right now. Defense didn't play great yesterday.


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[Assistant] Well, that doesn't matter. It was one game. It was not one game.


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[Assistant] His base salary is 3 million. And we all know this always comes down to money. Everyone's screaming, go get Kirk Cousins. Guys, Kirk Cousins makes 20 million dollars this year. That's not happening. That's not realistic for their cap situation.


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[Assistant] Jacoby Brissetta is a three million dollar base salary. They're responsible for the pro rated amount of what's left on the season. It's about two million. That's about what Josh Dobbs was making before they traded him. It was one and a half. You could probably get, now Washington has to play ball on this, but I don't see why they want to hold on to him at this point. They're a disaster and they're not going anywhere. If they can save three million dollars or save two million dollars and


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[Assistant] But here's the other problem, and I don't wanna go too far down the rabbit hole, but there's leaks all over the dam right now. We talked about running back.


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[Assistant] The, the tackles are actually playing better. Yes. Like Jed looked okay again. Yes. Offensive lines played better the last two weeks. So let's set that aside for right now. I know everyone keeps screaming about a receiver. I don't know how you can fairly evaluate the receivers because you've had terrible quarterback play.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't think any of them, I mean, you're down to your third and fourth string running backs.


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[Assistant] Yes, you're absolutely right. And I've said all year, I think Kareem's got three wheels left. I absolutely believe it. Those numbers back it up. But, in a goal line situation like that, yeaah, I want the ball in his hands if you need one yard. Give it to the other options on this team right now. Yeaah, give it to Kareem Hunt.


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[Assistant] It was a bad fumble, sack fumble. He held onto the ball too long. The Colts should have had possession on that. The call was questionable at best, I think. I think I thought Amari pushed him down too, but that's beside the point.


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[Assistant] Well, it shouldn't have gone to fourth down. The shovel pass was actually a great call. And live, I thought, oh my god, what are they doing? Then I saw the replay. It was a great call. He just threw a four seam fastball right at his head.


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[Assistant] Right. Yeah, but there's a lot that goes into the watching story. We all know that.


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[Assistant] I was glad that Kevin explained that fourth down sequence because a lot of times he doesn't give you very much from the podium.


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[Assistant] And I thought the way he laid it out because a lot of people, Gene probably felt like you did. What are you doing? Why are you not running the ball there? And for him to say like, listen, there was a method of the madness.


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[Assistant] 99 times out of 100, the decisions that he makes are very well thought out on the back end. He just doesn't always explain them as well as I think he should.


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[Assistant] But there's a lot of thought that goes into a lot of the decisions that he makes and we can go back to the pitch play and we can go back to the shovel pass. These things are open.


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[Assistant] They just don't have the personnel, like, as simple as it sounds. A quarterback pitch, PJ Walker blew it.


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[Assistant] So these are not complicated things that you're asking your quarterback to do. It's just the quarterback play has been so bad this year. They can't even get average out of it. If they haven't even, if they're, they're like, they're probably begging for Baker play right now. If they could get back to the Baker level, it'd be five and one.


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[Assistant] Also what made the punt work out was Shane Steichen made a rookie mistake. You're backed up at your own 11 with a backup quarterback and you come out throwing the ball with a minute forty-three. Very stupid. I know. He should have just run it, taken it to the half. Yeaah. He gets the ball to start the second half. The Colts gifted the Browns ten points at the end of the half. Yeaah, huge mistake. With that, with what turned into miles, strip sack.


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[Assistant] Touchdown in the end zone. I thought that was a really poor play calling by Shane Stipe.


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[Assistant] On that block, I was talking to him at his locker and he said it was something they saw in film. That the Colts were slow to rise basically. On field goal. Yeaah. And he knew he could get over them.


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[Assistant] Ever again. Well, they'll be aware now. And that's why he can never do it again. He told me the Colts were calling it out the rest of the game after that. I bet. So, that's a one shot. You've got one chance to get that right.


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[Assistant] Stefanski loves trick plays. I'm sure he's a mullet.


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[Assistant] Absolutely right. I'm terrified to see November and December, but we can only base on what we've seen so far. A plus. A plus to this point. Now let's see when the wind starts swirling in November and December, let's see what happens.


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[Assistant] And so he just made the fair catch, but he had plenty of room. He had plenty of room. But I said to Mike, I was like, yeah, just let him fair catch. Wait a minute. Can we talk about the Darden situation?


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[Assistant] I have more confidence in him after yesterday than I did at any point. That was incredible.


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[Assistant] And who are you calling? Uh, I'm calling Jacoby Brissette under the assumption that Deshaun will be back at some point.


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[Assistant] I think the six is, I think that's low. I'm not positive on that, I think that's low.


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[Assistant] Because I'm of the belief that Deshaun only needs a couple of weeks. I'm basing it on the fact that you're just trying, you're trying to wrap the wound right now. Now if you're talking Deshaun's out for the rest of the year,


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[Assistant] Okay, then let's have the cousins conversation, but it's going to cost a lot more in capital and every dollar counts right now on the cap. So it may not sound like a lot, but it is a lot. What do you think it would cost?


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[Assistant] I agree, probably at least a second. I don't see how they do it. But again, I'm looking at this as, let's just dress the wound. It's a wound right now. I'm not looking at this as Deshawn's out for the year. I'm looking at this as, let's get through the next month.


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[Assistant] And you just paid to Sean $230 million. If you bring your cousins into that locker room?


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[Assistant] I'm not, I'm not ready to shut them down yet. I'm just not. Because there's so much football left to go. If you sit them for three weeks, if you sit them for a month, you bring them back and it looks like it did yesterday, then I think you have that conversation. But there's still enough time. There's plenty of time.


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[Assistant] We were sitting on the roof, I watched the entire game through binoculars. But it looked like he took a hit on that exact same spot before the hit that knocked him out of the game.


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[Assistant] He thought concussion. It looked like concussion. He'd said the second trip into the tent was for a concussion. The first trip into the tent.


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[Assistant] I think everyone knows that, right? He made two trips into the tent. First trip into the tent was for the shoulder. Second trip into the tent was for a concussion.


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[Assistant] Uh, we covered quite a bit of it. I was talking to Joel about the flag. He was the illegal lineman down field and they picked up the flag.


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[Assistant] Uh, we covered the Miles stuff. Uh, Denzel did not have a concussion. That was huge. They pulled him. It was big with his history. I know when they said they were.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know. It might not have been Ward's fault. Watching it live, I thought Delpit stopped on replay. I didn't think he did. Why is Miles stopping on that? Both times he just stood up. Yeah, well, I think Miles needs to, if you, if you jump and you get caught. Finish the play. Keep going. Grab a guy. Stop the play. Just stop the play. Don't give them a free play.


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[Assistant] And, and he kind of brushes off the five yard penalty. He's like, man, I'm going to get it back later. I don't even care about those, but they are big plays in the moment and they are free plays for the defense. He's so good and so fast and so strong. I don't know that he needs to try and anticipate the snap to that extent.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was, that was when Ward was out of the game. When Denzel left the game is when Newsom went to the outside and hit Hitman on the big play. So it was good to see Denzel come back. Uhm, I was chasing a couple things in particular, so I didn't spend a lot of time on other things in the locker room. I think that's probably it for the best notable stuff.


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[Assistant] No more updates. He's not giving any updates on Deshaun or Ford as of now. More information later.


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[Assistant] And you know, Zach made the point yesterday on our, on our podcast, we have to do for the athletic that you could, because you won this game and because you stole last week, you can almost, if you lose the Seattle game, it's an NFC team. It's not going to kill you in the standings. I'm not going to call any game a punt.


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[Assistant] Damage possibly by an awful experience once. Do you really want to damage him with the second terrible experience?


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[Assistant] And I can't believe I'm stumping for Jacobi. I was killing them all last year. But it's where we are. But it's where you're at. It's the reality where you're at.


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[Assistant] That they make a move for a quarterback, that's probably accurate. But I, the Jacoby move.


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[Assistant] Whatever the hell their new stadium is called, West. Steelers and Cowboys travel like no other. Those families is like no others.


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[Assistant] One note real quick because I know this came up and Zach and I were talking about this. The fact DTR was not the emergency third quarterback, because they could have been in a bad spot if PJ got hurt.


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[Assistant] Mike, you referenced the 0 for 5 on the game winning drive against the Niners. He was 3 for 8 yesterday, so in game winning drives, he's 3 for 13. That's some ice in his veins.


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[Assistant] Every week that goes by you have to pay them less. And every dollar matters. And it's not, the cap is real. And it's the rollover money, it's the money you can roll in the next year. So all of this matters. So every week that you wait.


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[Assistant] In 2025 it's 136 million and in 2026 it's 72 million.


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[Assistant] But the more that you have to restructure it, the more it keeps tacking on the end. Like that's why I said a few weeks ago, guys, this is going to end really ugly at some point. It's what you do between now and then is what matters, but it better win one ugly. He's got an 8 million, $9 million cap hit and he's not even under contract in 2020.


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[Assistant] Matt Ryan had a, I think it was Matt Ryan had a 40 million dollar cap hit last year on the Falcons when he was playing for the Colts. Like, and it's, it's not the check that you like.


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[Assistant] I don't want to spend a ton of time on this. The Baker comp is a bad comp. It's totally different. One's a throwing shoulder, one's not. But the more important part, the more important part, Deshaun has his money, Baker didn't have his. They had to play Baker and Baker had to play because he was playing for a contract. That's not the case. That is a, it is night and day. They are not the same situation.


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[Assistant] I think that's free. You could say that about any of these guys. You could!


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[Assistant] You know, it's good that PJ has the full week, uh, to prepare for this game. Going into, uhm, Seattle.


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[Assistant] When I used to play out there, I'll show my age, it was called the Kingdom, and it was one of the loudest places that you play in the NFL and stuff. They've now configured it to where it really is still, probably one of the, it for sure is the loudest outdoor stadium that we have.


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[Assistant] The hand signals, the ability to be disciplined in how you play is absolutely paramount. Today, just like we're doing this interview with technology and stuff, the, the, uh,


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[Assistant] Communication between coach and quarterback is imperatively easier because you're able to have that kind of microphone in your head during the game.


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[Assistant] Well, you know at first, to be four and two, and to really kind of have the football gods be on our side the last couple, uhm, Sundays.


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[Assistant] If you're able to dominate the offensive linemen, like our defense line has been doing, putting that pressure on them,


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[Assistant] Means our offense doesn't have to take as many chances. And right now, I'd love to be able to say our offense is going to be top five in the NFL. It's not. So offensively now, we want to make sure we don't beat ourselves, make, we don't want to make mistakes early, and let that


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[Assistant] Tough defense, get up the field and put pressure on, uh, Gino Smith.


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[Assistant] We got a lot to do. We're gonna be on WKYC Channel 3. For those of you who don't know already, every Friday during the football season we will be on, the final half hour of the show is not on YouTube.


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[Assistant] But on WKYC Channel 3 here in Cleveland, of course. So we're excited about that. Lot to get to today. I wanna begin by talking about our lunch yesterday, guys. You were not there. Jason, where were you?


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[Assistant] Alright, well, yesterday, myself, G. Bush, Mikey McNuggets, Anthony, Steve, and Jack, our new sales guy, we all went to Sweet Pork Wilson's. By the way, gotta give kudos to Mike.


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[Assistant] Who could be a professional food photographer.


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[Assistant] Is that the newest one? No. 15 is the new one. There's the ribs, that's us. Uh, at Sweet Pork Wilson's on the corner on 117th and Madison.


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[Assistant] Uh, the food was unbelievable. Thanks to Ramadi and Jason, who are the owners of the place. They're great guys. They both played football at St. Ignatius. They were reminiscing with G about some battles.


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[Assistant] You should. I'll be back over there. So shout out to those guys, we appreciate it. Mikey McNuggets, what do you have for us this morning?


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[Assistant] They always find a way to win. The Titans, I felt like the Titans, I'm like the whole game, Titans are gonna win, Titans are gonna win, Kenny Pickett does nothing the whole game. But he had the first drive and the last drive, did nothing in between.


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[Assistant] And then when the Titans got that fourth down penalty on their last drive, I'm like, okay, they got a shot here. And I don't blame the kid. I thought the kid played pretty well, Will Levis. He's looked good for two weeks.


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[Assistant] But they're more talented than I gave them credit for. Uh, especially on offense. I mean, the Johnson-Pickens combo is better than I thought. Uhm, and it's just, I don't like their quarterback. I still don't like their quarterback. I still don't think Kenny Pickett's any good, but...


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[Assistant] Anyway, getting to the Browns. Now, I mentioned the spread is eight and a half, guys. At this point, at 1106, Friday morning,


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[Assistant] We don't know for sure who the quarterback is going to be for either team. Now coming up on WKYC at 1230, we'll make our predictions if we don't know it yet, which I'm assuming we won't in the next 90 minutes, uh, for who we think is going to start. But either way,


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[Assistant] Let's start with from this perspective, Jason. I'll start with you.


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[Assistant] Jay, do you agree? You think it doesn't matter who plays quarterback for the Browns? They win either way?


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[Assistant] Well two things. First of all, I just think the Cardinals are a really bad team. And so, even with PJ Walker,


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[Assistant] You know, at worst it's, at best for the Browns it's even, which in this case it probably is.


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[Assistant] So, but the rest of the roster, the Browns have a way better roster than Arizona. They're at home. You know, it's a Western team traveling to the East Coast, not East Coast, the time zone for a one o'clock game. That generally is an advantage for the Eastern team, especially against a bad team.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so you either have, you either have a guy making his first NFL start or his first NFL start in a year, either way. So,


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[Assistant] Brown should win the game either way, but another part of this, guys, is I just don't have any faith that if Deshaun Watson plays, he's gonna really play that well.


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[Assistant] I think even limited, I still would rather, I still think he's better than BJ Walker. Very limited, but very limited as we saw him against Indy. I don't know how much better he is because...


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[Assistant] I just don't have any faith that he's healthy or healthy, you know, healthy enough to play


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[Assistant] Again, later on WKYC will predict who we think is going to start. I will say though that I thought Mikey McNuggets made a good point, Jason. I know you weren't here. Uh, but Mikey made the point of, you know, in football there's no


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[Assistant] Equivalent really to a rehab start in baseball, where you'd make a start in the minor leagues.


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[Assistant] And, but maybe playing the Cardinals for Deshaun Watson would be that equivalent. I just, I think at this point,


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[Assistant] Is another week of rest really gonna help that much, if at all? Is it?


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[Assistant] Well, Bernie said that it's not going to fully yield this year anyway. Sure. So how do we know it's not going to, you know, it may be, maybe it's already reached its peak of how good it might be. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And if that's the case, then maybe we should see him against Arizona, because if he screws up against Arizona, okay, they can still come back. But if he screws up next week,


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[Assistant] And it's not gonna be brutally cold on Sunday, but it's not gonna be hot. Yea, right. It's probably gonna be 50 degrees of game time. Yea. Roughly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, especially since, again, G, Mikey McDonough, and I will be tailgating. We are coming down to the Muni lot. We'll come stop by your tailgate.


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[Assistant] We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. But let me ask you this question, guys. We've been talking about does it matter in this game in terms of win-loss?


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[Assistant] Does that now change your opinion on whether it matters or not if Deshaun Watson plays? Gee, start us off on this one.


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[Assistant] I think no matter what the quarterback combo is in this game, whatever it ends up being, I think the Browns are likely to win the game. I think we all agree there. However,


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[Assistant] I will say that with Kyler Murray, you don't, like Kyler Murray's best is really good. Oh yeaah. His best is really good. Sure. And he, at times, you know, I think we, people have kind of dismissed him as like, oh he's not that, he's not a good quarterback. Now, he's played in the system, in my opinion,


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[Assistant] People have been critical of him, his lack of, of, you know, the whole thing with the contract last year. Is he working hard enough? Who knows? I don't know if the truth is there.


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[Assistant] I would say that he was playing for a terrible coach in Cliff Kingsbury, who never should have been an NFL coach in the first place, and Cliff Kingsbury just let him kind of do whatever he wanted, and didn't have a system in place. Now they do. Whether he's ready to play in it or not, I have no idea.


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[Assistant] But Kyler Murray is still, uh, you don't get drafted in the first round in two different sports if you're not a talented player.


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[Assistant] He's a talented player. He's way more talented than Clayton Toon, and he's way more talented than Josh Dobbs. So, it is a wild card. Again, even if he starts, I still expect the Browns to win. I don't think the line's gonna change much.


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[Assistant] Because he hasn't played in forever. But would it stun me beyond belief if he started and played a good game?


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[Assistant] It is, it's not completely apples to oranges situation. Clayton Toon, as far as we know, he doesn't know for sure he's starting this week. Maybe he does, and we don't know that, but we don't know for sure. He's never played, and he's, in fact, he's going longer into the season without playing, so it's been longer since he's played in the game than DTR. Plus,


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[Assistant] The Browns had to face a tough defense in Baltimore. Oh, excuse me, DTR had to face a tough defense in Baltimore. Clayton Toon has to face a tough, uh, defense in the Browns.


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[Assistant] Uh, DTR at least got to play at home. Wasn't that Ravens game at home? It was at home. Clayton Toon's got to play on the road.


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[Assistant] And, Clayton Toon's got way less talent on his team than DTR does. So if anything, this would be even a tougher spot, in my opinion, for Clayton Toon than it was for DTR.


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[Assistant] Coming up on the, uh, on our WKYC portion of the show today, folks. Mikey McNuggets, who is, McNuggets, who is, I took away his S. Mikey McNuggets, who is great with his, uh, Friday, you know, five pack, is it a five pack or six pack? I can't remember what it is now.


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[Assistant] Five stats you need to know that he does a really good job with every Friday. There is one of those that we're going to talk about on WKYC that is mind blowing.


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[Assistant] When it comes to rookie quarterbacks against Jim Schwartz.


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[Assistant] Very interesting stat. That's coming up a little bit later.


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[Assistant] Why would they bring, why would they bother bringing Randy Bullock a veteran?


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[Assistant] But alright, we'll see if Kate York gets a chance with the Giants. Good luck to you, York.


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[Assistant] I actually love the Giants this week. They're my best bet. Love the Giants.


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[Assistant] But I don't understand why the Giants are an underdog in that game. Because they suck.


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[Assistant] But, Daniel Jones is coming back. Listen, I know he played terribly early in the season. And I'm not a big Daniel Jones fan.


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[Assistant] He's a solid NFL quarterback who just played poorly earlier in the year and there were circumstances that contributed to that. He is a solid NFL quarterback. Are we sure about that? I feel like he's solid, solid, not spectacular. He's okay. Way overpaid.


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[Assistant] Tim, we're great, and we're happy to have you here, and before we get to the Browns, I gotta ask about your guy Will Levis, because...


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[Assistant] He did not, I know he throws a pick at the end of the game, it's a tough spot, the game's running, the clock's running down, but I really like what I've seen from him the first two weeks. He's got way more to prove at this point, but they didn't lose that game because of him yesterday.


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[Assistant] I, I, I like them. And, you know, when Burks went down at the end, that was tough. You know, you could have used them on that last drive, but what's your take on it? I mean, how well do you know them? I assume you know them well. And, and what do you think of his first two games?


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[Assistant] Tim, uh, PJ Walker, you know, they've won two of the three games since it started.


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[Assistant] And could have very easily won the third game in Seattle. But the turnovers are a massive problem right now. One touchdown and six turnovers in three games. When you're a quarterback who hasn't played a lot, is there anything the coaching staff can do


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[Assistant] To help you try to avoid those mistakes, or in the end, you're on the field, you're, you're, you know, you're your own man, there's nothing they can do. Can the organization help?


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[Assistant] Tim, uh, last thing, next week, uh, your former teammate Kelly Holcomb will be on the show for the first time.


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[Assistant] Prime rib, that's right, Mike's coming to my house on Thanksgiving, we have prime rib, not turkey on Thanksgiving. Uhm, but, uh, what snuck up on us here is the Browns defense has stunningly been awful in the first quarter.


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[Assistant] This is a shocking statistic here. The Browns are giving up 7.4 points per game in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] That is the worst in the first quarter, sorry. That is the worst in the NFL. Now, they did give up 17 against Seattle this week.


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[Assistant] And you could say, well, what if you took that out? But, if you took out every t-shirt, you can't take it out.


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[Assistant] So in the last two weeks in particular, 31 points have certainly boosted the numbers up. But what do we make of this, guys? Do we, is this...


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[Assistant] Coincidence? Is it an anomaly? What is it? Is there something about this? Because from the second quarter on, they've overall played great defense. But in the first quarter, they've not played well. What do you make of that?


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[Assistant] Maybe we, somebody, one of us needs to do this research. When, when you're, when the analytics say, hey, you're still one of the best, but the points say you stink and that is what matters ultimately.


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[Assistant] That means they give up 21 in the first, uh, how many games have they played? Seven. So 21 in the first five games, which means they were giving up like four, little over four points per game.


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[Assistant] Where do they rank there, Mike, you know? First. I'm sorry, the third quarter. Geez.


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[Assistant] The only thing I would say to both of you guys about that is, isn't everybody having to deal with that same situation in the first quarter? I am a little- go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] Gotcha. Gotcha. I am a little concerned.


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[Assistant] About the first quarter numbers, because the last two weeks it's been a major issue. Yes. Like, if, if, if they, you know, the first five weeks they gave up a few touchdowns, but


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[Assistant] There are a couple games that gave up nothing, but the fact that they've given up 31 points the last two weeks.


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[Assistant] So let's face it, I mean the Seahawks offense is, you know, good, but not amazing. And the Colts offense is just, eh. Now, they're not facing a lot of great quarterbacks the rest of the way.


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[Assistant] And one of those two, the best quarterback they're facing the rest of the season is Burrow, who hasn't played his best football against the Browns.


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[Assistant] But, uh, it is a little concerning. I'm not panicked about it, but it is a little concerning. I bet you that is very unusual for a team. And again, it's only not even at the halfway point of the season.


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[Assistant] But I'm guessing it is not common for a team to be dead last.


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[Assistant] In terms of defense, giving up points in the first quarter, or if you want to say first, they've given up the most.


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[Assistant] And then be the number two team in terms of not, you know, not giving up points in the third quarter. I get it. And that's a credit to Jim Schwartz. I agree with you that he is able to adjust and they're great in the third quarter. But you'd think they'd at least be middle of the road in the first quarter, which is where they were before the last two weeks.


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[Assistant] But the fact that they've been so bad the last two weeks has me a little concerned.


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[Assistant] I ca- I want to agree with you. I mean, I do agree with you, but I don't think they're gonna- There's nothing in this recent track record that makes me think that even if he plays this week...


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[Assistant] And he has a setback. And it's bad, and it goes badly, that they're gonna put him on IR. And I think they will keep doing this each week.


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[Assistant] The doctors may say, this is as good as his shoulder's gonna get. So he's either gotta find a way to play at this level of health, or he can't play.


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[Assistant] That there may be no other, that if you sit him another week, it's not gonna make a difference. Right. And if they're saying that, then yes, he should play, because why not see what he looks like against Arizona, before you gotta play against Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Couple other things real quick before we get back to Watson. Guys who did not practice today. I saw this tweet from Scott Petrak.


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[Assistant] Greg Newsome, David Bell, Alex Wright, not practicing, uh, Alex Wright, who cares, really, David Bell.


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[Assistant] You know, but between trading, uh, Donovan Peoples Jones and maybe David Bell not playing, we talked about it a little bit. It sounds like Cedric Tillman will get some opportunity.


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[Assistant] I mean, he'd probably be their fourth receiver this week. Yeah. You know, uh, but it, it also sounds like Greg Newsom's not going to play because he, he left the game and, and he hasn't practiced all week. So I would assume he's not going to play.


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[Assistant] We are, Mike, but let me just read this one more tweet about, which I thought was interesting. I don't know, read into it, if you will, or whatever. Mary Kate Cabot, just, uh, wait a second. I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] Really, again, you and I have been the two biggest Defanski supporters in this town, Jason.


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[Assistant] But the one, my biggest complaint with Stefanski over the years has been that he doesn't use the screen game enough. I always found that frustrating. And he all of a sudden, as Mike says, he's been using it a lot more, and they've used it effectively. I love it, and I hope we will continue to see more of it.


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[Assistant] I like Hayden a lot. I don't know what he was talking about. Zip Hayden. I mean, come on now. Uh, I, you know, I didn't see, first of all, how can you really tell on a video? It's, it's, you know, you got a, you got, you got a radar gun on, on your phone? Will Levis was the, that was Zip.


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[Assistant] Right now, would you take Will Levis or Kenny Pickett? Real quick. Shut up. Come on, man. It's gotta be Will Levis, bro. It's only played two games, though.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because, well, you can make the argument for the turnovers. You can say, how are they four and three with the worst quarterback play? That's right. So, go ahead, Mike. Next step.


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[Assistant] That's not the same playbook. Why are you doing it more than anybody else, Jason, if you're the worst in the league at it?


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[Assistant] For PJ Walker, I mean, that's even more of an indictment.


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[Assistant] The team's tr- essentially doing this because they think it's gonna be easier for you and it's not working. At all.


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[Assistant] Right. That's just catchable. That's a huge difference. That's just crazy. Not surprising though.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he was playing at a very high level and that's why I love this signing at the time it was under the radar because the only question with him was always be helped.


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[Assistant] Would you offer him a contract for next year right now to try to keep him or is that still?


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[Assistant] Is there anybody on the bronze defense that's been terrible this year? No.


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[Assistant] Right? Juan Thornhill is just a good solid player. Yeaah. And you gotta have that. You gotta have a...


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[Assistant] You know, you can't, sometimes it's like everybody's a superstar or a scrub and there's a whole lot of guys in most things.


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[Assistant] He's been good as a third safety. Delfin's played well for the most part. He made some mistakes last week. J.O.K., J.O.K. I think he's mostly played well. The linebackers have been pretty solid overall. They're getting good production from, you know, from everywhere. And, and, and I think that's, you know, you talk about, we've come, the big problem the Browns have had in the past,


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[Assistant] Is, they haven't had a bunch of, like, you'd have a couple of star players and then you'd have a lot of like bad players in the lineup. And the Browns, at least on defense, they've got a lot of good solid players. They don't have a ton of stars. We know what Miles Garrett is. Denzel Ward is a great player.


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[Assistant] Uh, Emerson seems to be emerging into that type of player. But the rest of their guys on defense, they're not stars, but they're a bunch of really good solid players.


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[Assistant] Right, they got better talent and defensive talent. They've gone from the worst defensive tackle group to probably one of the best.


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[Assistant] It also hurts that I'm Nick Chubb. It's tough. I generally like to, uh, throw the ball on first down.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I, I feel like teams that throw on first down have success way more often.


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[Assistant] The final half hour of the show that's on WKYC will be available tomorrow, but you want to watch it now.


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[Assistant] So move over with us to channel 3. We hope to see you all there.


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[Assistant] Mikey just mentioned it there, guys. Uh, those who are at ground practice right now, uh, we've heard from Mary Kay, we've heard from Zach Jackson, Tom Withers and others.


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[Assistant] It does appear that we're trending towards much like we were two weeks ago, which didn't, well, the game ended well, but didn't end well for Watson personally. We seem to be trending in the same direction that the Sean Watson, gee, is probably going to start. That's how it feels right now.


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[Assistant] If the shot has to leave the game again, it's a disaster. If the shot has to leave the game again, I'm once again going to say, well it's too late for a trade, go sign Carson Wentz. And I don't want Carson Wentz, but I'd take Carson Wentz with splinters in his ass for two months over PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] When you look at the NFL this season, we were talking about this on the show last week with Jay. It feels like defense is making a comeback.


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[Assistant] Do you see it that way and why are we evolving back now? Is the pendulum swinging back around the other way to where it's not just offense, offense, offense, but defenses are figuring out how to stop these spread attacks?


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[Assistant] Is that cyclical? Just the big play making receivers that, I mean, we go through history, there's obviously been a ton of them. Do these things just run in cycles?


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[Assistant] Can you explain, we go back to Jim Schwartz and the, the Schwartz's scheme, the way it was explained to me was it all starts up front and he just wants to create chaos up front with the defensive line and everything else sort of trickles down off of that. Can you just sort of explain why his scheme fits so well?


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[Assistant] Drew, uh, a delay penalty by shifting from one side to the other. And I forget what team was it where they sent two? It was against Tennessee. It was Tennessee where they were trying to double team them and they literally had to send both blockers the other side and they couldn't snap the ball because he wouldn't stop moving.


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[Assistant] Crazy question, but will we ever get to the point where defensive guys start doing that more and there's motion on the defensive side to try and change up schemes and blitz patterns and, you know, to try and-


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[Assistant] There's only a handful of guys in the league who are that good that would command guys to follow them across the line, I get that. But I just wonder, we see all this motion on the offensive side, will we ever get to see that on the defensive side?


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[Assistant] When it comes to trick plays, how do you, we have a head coach here who loves trick plays. How do you design them? How do you come up with them? And what's your, do you have like an all time favorite trick play that you ever ran?


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[Assistant] Is that the Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves one? No, Keanu Reeves and Gene Hackman.


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[Assistant] How many plays are on your call sheet for a game? Like, everyone makes fun of Kevin Stefanski's Denny's menu, but when you go into a game- Everybody's got those big ones. But when you go into a game on Sunday,


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[Assistant] Are you only running things that you worked on that week? Could you go back three weeks ago and pull something or will the guys be unprepared for it? And how many calls really are you going off of?


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[Assistant] Why do teams have so much success with the scripted plays and then it can unravel from there?


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[Assistant] I think it came down to a series of events in the last two and a half minutes of the game that ultimately caused the Browns to win. And those things happen at NFL. Those things happen across the league. So like.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not gonna really kill him for that. I do have an issue with the situational play calling in its totality, but I'm not gonna kill him overall for a third and three. Like, it is what it is.


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[Assistant] I had a four leg parlay, uh, any time touchdown parlay that missed by one leg. And then I had my parlay for the Bengals and 49ers game that missed by one leg. Brandon IU didn't score, cost me about 400 bucks. And Cooper Cup didn't score, cost me about another 400 bucks.


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[Assistant] You can easily look and say, well, we shoulda, coulda, woulda run it, but I had no issue with it. Because up until that point, I thought Kevin Stefanski had called a great game. So why like go over the hill and try to like,


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[Assistant] You know, for the most part, P.J. Walker did a pretty damn good job moving the football throughout the game. I thought the run game was solid. I thought the pass game was, you know, decent, you know, for lack of a better word, considering the situation that we were in. Of course he had those turnovers, but no, I mean, I can't sit up here


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[Assistant] And point to that one thing and say, that's why the Cleveland Browns lost this game. Because the truth of the matter is, yeaah, he called that play, the ball was picked off, but you know what? The defense still stepped out on that field.


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[Assistant] And the defense still allowed that offense to drop all the way down the field and get the game when it touched down. And so it's so easy to just, you know, when you're frustrated, when you lose a game that everybody think we should have won, it's so easy to say, okay, well, this is the reason that's the reason that's the reason.


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[Assistant] And to me, like I said at the opening show, it was a series of events within the last two and a half minutes of the game. I felt like that would cost the Browns to win. It wasn't just a third and three play call.


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[Assistant] PJ Walker is, is not a good quarterback. He's a third string quarterback. So we shouldn't even have an expectation of him to be a good quarterback. The frustration comes from, we've been told this is what you got. Now go deal with it. And I think some people are, the people who are screaming this morning, go fire Kevin Stefanski. You got to give Kevin Stefanski some credit.


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[Assistant] You know, PJ Walker threw for 248 yards, right? Your head coach had all week to get your third string quarterback ready. And to me,


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[Assistant] With that being a decent game and we know it's a bad game, you gotta give some kudos because PJ Walker is probably not capable of throwing for 240 yards, you know, every single week.


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[Assistant] And that was the most passing yards that the Seahawks defense has surrendered since week three of the season. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] It's just, I go back to what Andrew Berry said, uh, during this press conference during the bye week. You know, and he talked about the number one priority going forward for this football team was protecting the football and not turning it over. Right. And yet that's an issue that still has not been corrected.


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[Assistant] It's fumbles by the quarterback, no matter who's back there. Interceptions by the quarterback, no matter who's back there. It's frustrating. You can't win games when you turn the ball over. Real quick, Bull.


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[Assistant] The running game and the defense, in my opinion, the Browns have a defense and a running game that travels. The Browns ran the ball 40 times yesterday for 155 yards and 3.9 yards to carry.


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[Assistant] You still rank top three as far as rushing yards a game. The Browns defense, I think, no, it's not all time great, but it's still a pretty damn good defense.


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[Assistant] The whole point to my argument is the Browns got two units that in an NFL historically they travel. A good run game and a good defense. And it's so frustrating that we don't get competent quarterback play that would kind of help even everything out. It's frustrating as hell that this is what we had to deal with all season long.


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[Assistant] Has Andy Doughton ever played in a system similar to what Kevin Stefanski runs?


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[Assistant] And the only reason I ask that is because yeaah, I want another quarterback too, but then the other side of it is like okay, who can you bring in here that'll be ready to play right there?


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[Assistant] When Jason said what he said last week, right, we live in two worlds sometimes. We live on one part of me, you know, we hope and wish Andrew Berry do this, but then once you get, uh, information from a few different sources, you gotta come to the reality side of things.


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[Assistant] They're not calling Washington to trade for Jacoby Brissette. And by all accounts, it looks like, okay, this is what we stuck with.


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[Assistant] We stuck with PJ Walker and we stuck with like DTR. It's frustrating as hell because, you know, I view Andrew Barry smarter than that. I view him as a man that's more prepared than that.


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[Assistant] And up until this point, anytime that there was an issue with any point, uh, or any, you know, roster on his part, position on his team, when it comes to the roster, you know, he, he kinda did a good job of addressing it swiftly.


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[Assistant] And it seems like when it comes to this quarterback position, it's like, you know, you want to be timid. You don't want to go out there and do what you know is necessary.


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[Assistant] It's necessary. You're wasting a good defense. I think you're wasting a run game that's even without Nick Chubb proving to at least be average. And average is good enough to still be able to give you some success.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, it's very frustrating to know for a fact that we gotta continue to deal with PJ Walker or DTR until Deshaun Watson comes back. And then even when Deshaun Watson comes back, we don't even know how like effective you can be on this team.


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[Assistant] Me, I look at it like this. The two, the two quarterbacks that's in this room that we're not going to be here is Deshaun Watson and DTR. I honestly wanted to see DTR get another shot the very next week versus San Francisco. The reason being, when you going up against a defense like that, even if you don't play your best, it's only up from here.


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[Assistant] I felt like even if the performance wasn't that great, he could have learned from it and got better.


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[Assistant] But to me, boy, what they did was, I feel like you kind of like shook his confidence. You know what I mean? The first time you go out there and you do something for the very first time and you don't do it right, and then they snatch it away from you, and then they don't want to give it back to you. Now he might be in this head questioning, well damn, can I do this job for real? Or damn, I thought y'all had my back. He went from quarterback to,


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[Assistant] It's a quarterback 3 just like that and we ain't heard much else from him.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, at this point, because I feel like you had your opportunity, you know, to get him ready weeks ago.


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[Assistant] And now at this point, if you put them in there, you're taking reps away from PJ Walker and he's had the majority of the reps outside of Deshaun Watson for the last three weeks. Last week, he just got a full week of practice. Pretty sure he'd get a full week of practice again this week. You know, I just felt like if you was going to see what DTR had again.


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[Assistant] You had the opportunity to do that the very next week. Instead, you snatched it away from him and in my mind, I think you did more to hurt him versus help him by doing that. Now, we fast forward to where we are right now. You absolutely need to go out here and beat the Arizona Cardinals. And for as horrible as the situation is,


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[Assistant] P.J. Walker probably gives you the best opportunity to go out here and beat the Arizona Cardinals. I know that sounds crazy to say that, but that's how I feel. And so going forward, you know, it just feels like this is what we have and we just gonna have to stick it out with P.J. until Deshaun Watson comes back.


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[Assistant] I agree with both of y'all, but the reality is if somebody's gonna get fired, it will be Kevin's defense.


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[Assistant] I don't think Andrew, I think Andrew Berry won't get fired this year at all no matter what. I, I, I really believe that.


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[Assistant] You know, he was asked, uh, when he addressed the media this past week, you know, about the four to six timeframe that he told people. And he said, basically, you know, I'm just giving y'all the basic information based off the research that I've done. Right. You know what I mean? But he also followed that up with, you know,


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[Assistant] That was just the basic. I don't know how long I'll be out. I'm not sure when I'll be back. And the fact that the quarterback said itself, I'm not sure, that's more than enough reason for Andrew Berry to go make a move. Boy, I'm with you. I think he should go make a move, but I'm telling you, I don't think that he will.


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[Assistant] Why? Who the hell knows? Because you cannot look at this team, you cannot look at the AOC and see where the Browns are and be like, okay, I'm just going to stick back with what I have. The Browns are still right here in the thick of things, right?


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[Assistant] And like, if you're not going to get them a quarterback, then you're wasting the efforts of every other unit on this team.


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[Assistant] And then you're making it harder and harder to evaluate your head coach. Everybody scream, you know, screaming fired Kevin Stefanski. Kevin Stefanski got his issues, but I don't think his issues warrants him to be fired. That's just my opinion. And it's hard to scream that when your general manager is not giving you a competent backup quarterback.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you a question because, you know, I've been screaming the same thing, go get Jacoby Brissett. And the rebota has been more Earl.


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[Assistant] Why would the Washington commanders play ball? Jason, you told us that, to your knowledge, as of Friday, the Browns hadn't even made a call. Had not called. Let's say hypothetically the Browns do call. What would be the reason why the commanders would tell the Browns no?


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[Assistant] No. So you hear it a lot from women when it comes to the relationships that they are in with men when things is kind of rocky. They say you playing in my face. Like to me that's what the Cleveland Browns are doing.


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[Assistant] The Browns right now are playing in our face and we so stupid that we keep allowing them to play in our face, right? You see where the Browns are right now in the stance of the AFC. You see what you got with this team. You got a defense that's pretty damn good. Top 10 defense. You got a run game that's based on yards per game. It's still a top 5 rushing attack.


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[Assistant] And yet your general manager is looking at this quarterback situation and trying to convince you that this is good enough to get by. Trying to convince you that this is good enough in a wide open AFC that will help you.


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[Assistant] Have whatever success that you're gonna have until Deshaun Watson comes back and you got a portion of the fan base who's believing it and you got a portion of the fan base that's saying, man, you out your damn mind.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like him. I like him. I like actually the room as a whole. You know what I mean? I like Pierre Strong. I think he runs hard. I think he's fast. I think he's a dude that can catch the ball out the backfield. He's somebody that can run between the tackles and he got enough speed to get outside. You know, he was drafted in the same draft class as Jerome Ford. He was drafted higher than Jerome Ford.


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[Assistant] So that should say a lot about him, but as a collective unit.


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[Assistant] I think they've done a pretty damn good job of, of keeping this running game from sinking, you know, in the absence of Nick Tubb. And I would love to see more strong going forward. And I think when you get opportunities like that,


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[Assistant] And then you go out there and you prove yourself like that, you, you're only earning more reps. I expect to see more reps from him in the Arizona Cardinals game.


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[Assistant] I think they all compliment each other, right? I think Kareem Hunt is the bruiser, I think he's the dude who runs hard, physical downhill, and I think he does enough to kind of like, you know, wear down the opposing defensive line, and then you bring those two change of pace guys in who can run inside and outside, and I think they all compliment each other well. I think they've done a good job of not letting the rushing attack kind of like, you know,


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[Assistant] It's the lack of consistency. He has the home run ability. He already has, what, two touchdowns over 45.


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[Assistant] He hasn't had that consistent, that consistent pace of, you know, this has been a consistent game. His numbers look good due to one or two big plays per game, but we've yet to see him be consistent for four quarters throughout.


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[Assistant] So you said because he was on the street, he should just shut up and just, and just not say nothing at all?


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[Assistant] I respect him keeping it real, I respect the transparency, but I also understand that you gotta take what comes with whatever you do, right? And with that creates another notion of drama surrounding the Cleveland Browns. I seen that and I tweeted out, I said, coming up next on the next episode of the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] Because it seems like every week this season, it's been something. I've even made the joke. The Browns shouldn't be playing on Fox, NBC, or CBS. They need to be playing on VH1. Because it seems like a reality TV show. Bravo. Seriously. That's what it seems like.


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[Assistant] Like, I mean, what is he supposed to do? Go out there and lie? Be fake? Like, you know.


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[Assistant] People, people don't know what they got.


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[Assistant] I think so. I'm not sure. Bobby Hall of Famer. Is he? I don't know. I think so. I don't know. How do we know that?


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[Assistant] Like Bull said, this is the NFL. I think people forget offensive coordinators, head coaches, offensive players they get paid to. And I think the Browns defense has been damn good, but I also feel like they've put so much out there on film that now they're starting to get exploited a little bit at the things that they do really well.


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[Assistant] And now it's up to Jim Schwartz to kind of go back, look at the film and make adjustments to the adjustments. I thought, I thought he did a damn good job in game adjusting to the things that the Browns were not doing pretty good to start the game.


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[Assistant] And the defense ended up holding Seattle's offense scoreless up until the final minutes of the fourth quarter. And so I just look at it as like, it's not an overreaction for me. I think the defense is still damn good. I just look at it as, okay, offense is starting to see the Browns do X, Y, and Z well.


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[Assistant] Here's how we can counter that. And I think now Jim Schwartz needs to take that film and say, okay, they're starting to counter what we do well. So here's our adjustment to whatever adjustments that opposing offenses are making.


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[Assistant] They're definitely in that conversation. You know, I'm like, I'm like Jason. I'm a huge, huge fan of MJ Emerson, man. And he get out, he got, he went out there yet again and he boiled his ass off. I mean, he was on DK Metcalf.


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[Assistant] No interceptions, that's what they said it was because he didn't have the turnover number, but I remember seeing some stats like, you know, he didn't give up more than four catches to any SEC wide receiver when they was matched up.


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[Assistant] I wonder if like, you know, they was kind of like...


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[Assistant] But just as bad, a defense that had corrected their issues, all game, get in that situation.


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[Assistant] You didn't even hold him to a field goal attempt. You allowed these dudes to drive straight down the field marching into the end zone for a touchdown and I felt like you. I felt like y'all should have typed up and played better than that.


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[Assistant] So, I just think that, like I said, a series of events in the last few minutes of the game ultimately cost the Browns the victory. But I'm like you, and I'm like you, the defense right now, y'all top dog. Y'all are the best unit on this team, more as expected of that particular unit than it is anybody else due to the circumstances.


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[Assistant] Watson is hurt, Chubb is hurt. So now we leaning on you all. And you all have given us enough


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[Assistant] Was that last year or the year before?


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[Assistant] No, when they came here and they did, they had this crazy defensive scheme that they was running. I think it was two years ago. I remember the Cardinals being here last year. Yeaah. Man, you can't lose to the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] But Arizona came here maybe last year or the year before that, man, and straight put a whooping on us. Like the defense came out and just straight shut down everything that we were trying to do. I know it's different circumstances surrounding both teams, man, but.


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[Assistant] Please, since I have to put a percentage on this, I would give more than a percentage to PJ Walker for the simple fact, like three turnovers came off of you, two interceptions, and then you lost the fumble, so at the end of the day when you turn the ball over, you put yourself in a situation to lose.


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[Assistant] But overall, I hate these type of questions. Like, I've said this a few times since he's passed away. I had the opportunity to like, be around Jim Brown and this particular quote that he said, he says, you know, in the NFL and in football,


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[Assistant] You need all 11 parts moving in the same direction in order for you to have success. And the moment that one part is not moving in that direction as the other 10, then you won't have success. So what am I saying? We went out there as a team, we played hard and we lost as a team.


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[Assistant] Like, there was a few moments to where you could point at Stefanski for calling a play, you could point at PJ Walker for not being able to be accurate, you could point at the defense for giving up the touchdown. We went out there as a team, played hard as a team, and we lost as a team. Get your ass back to Cleveland, get ready to go play the Arizona Cardinals, and win.


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[Assistant] It's hard to say, because the 24 points that Seattle scored is right on their yearly average. The Browns is averaging around 19 points a game.


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[Assistant] I agree with that. I don't think Kevin Stefanski is in on this collab decision. I think if Andrew Berry and Paul D. Podesta and everybody is collabing and saying, you know what, we don't need a quarterback, Stefanski is somewhere like, hey man, what the hell?


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, that too, it's just like, man, you know, like every, every, I do the post game shows and it's like man, fires to Faskey, fires to Faskey, fires to Faskey. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter what you are. But it's like, you know what I'm saying? I feel like every coach of the first year. He has his deficiencies, he has his issues like most people. But, you know, I don't go around talking about who I know, what I know. I know a few people who play for this team.


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[Assistant] And I've asked straight up off the record, like, nah, they, they respect Kevin Stefanski as a man. They respect Kevin Stefanski as a leader. He definitely has some things he needs to clean up, man, but what coach in the NFL don't. It's just the whole fan base where every single week, fighter Stefanski, fighter Stefanski guys, like he's not going nowhere.


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[Assistant] I think the Ravens is actually the class of this division. I think, you know, all the talk during the off season about Lamar Jackson wanting his money.


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[Assistant] So far, now granted, he's got to do it in the playoffs. So far, he's proved to be worth the money that he's gotten. Uhm, that hardball coach team, man, they're tough, they're disciplined, and to Bull's point, when you believe in your quarterback and believe in your team, you really don't care about who your next opponent is. I thought they had a statement victory.


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[Assistant] They don't beat themselves. I crack myself up wondering how is it that every week Mike Tomlin is able to get the most out this football team when they don't even have this much talent. They go out here and compete and somehow someway come away victorious. To the Bengals.


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[Assistant] I know, uh, I think Purdy threw back to back interceptions on back to back drives. The last one, the very next play, I think they even had Jamar Chase double covered. And it was like Burrow hit him so perfect in stride that it was almost like he was walking by itself.


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[Assistant] But you got a tough division here, you got every team with at least one divisional win, except for the Cincinnati Bengals, and I'm pretty sure that'll change, but, I mean, both-


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[Assistant] They're 4-1 on the road, 2-1 in the division, 4-2 in the conference, so as you talk about the conference games, every team has at least three wins in the AFC conference, except for Cincinnati, and every team has at least one division win.


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[Assistant] The term any given Sunday is not cliche. I wake up every Sunday to watch football knowing like regardless of records or who has to star players or not, any team can be. Something goofy is going to happen. Any team can get got on any given Sunday. That's what makes the NFL fun. That's what makes the NFL fun to watch.


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[Assistant] Yeah, a couple people in the chat did bring it up. I mean, I suggested that...


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[Assistant] I don't think he's a good situational play caller. I think over his tenure as the Cleveland Browns head coach.


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[Assistant] You can point to games, rather be at the two minute warning, rather it be, uh, mid first quarter, uh, the usage of timeouts. There's certain things, in my opinion, about his situational play calling, that's not all that great. And I feel like that you have some solid offensive bonds.


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[Assistant] On your coaching staff, like a Callahan, like a Van Pilt, and like, you know, one of the suggestions I made was, hell, like, if this is the case, you know, hand over play call in a Van Pilt.


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[Assistant] Now that was in a moment, because I was saying like, you keep trying to say anything over and over, and maybe a different play caller will put a different set of eyes on it, and that could be the case, but I would, I do wonder,


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[Assistant] How much, you know, he talks to Callahan and AVP about certain packages, doing certain points of the game and see if they can collectively come up with something together or is this strictly just all Kevin Stefanski will always say doing his thing.


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[Assistant] Well when you alluded to last week, you know, when we were saying like he should have ran the ball, ran the ball, they didn't have any timeouts and you brought up a point that actually made me think.


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[Assistant] You know, how about the goal line package? If they didn't get in, you can't even substitute out their package. What you have on the field is what you have. That's what it is. So, you know, but I mean, it is what it is. Like I get it. People mad we lost, man. And that's fine. Like we lost.


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[Assistant] All is not lost, man. Four and three, you might have lost a game that you should have won, but you four and three tie for second in your division. It could be a whole lot worse than that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, man, shout out to the Lady Tigers, man, who about to get their season started. Uh, I know my daughter is looking forward to it. She said, dad, yeah, I didn't took a big leap from year one and year two. I don't want to have to come out here and have to analyze your game, y'all. That's right. So, but no, I shout out to them, man.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Andy, you know what happen. But I don't, I mean, look, it's, it's a significant injury. I think the most, the most light that I've had shed on that injury was Tony Romo's discussion about it.


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[Assistant] Because he had the same thing, non-throwing shoulder. He said, let me tell you something. If anybody for a second thinks you're throwing the football pain free, even though it's your other shoulder, they've never thrown a football with power. And you know what's interesting? And that's a fact.


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[Assistant] Alright, uhm, quickly before we get to McNuggets for the first hello of the day, uhm, preview of the Niners.


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[Assistant] I don't know that I've been more worried about an opponent in the last five years. LeRoy's here. Mary Kay is here. Whatever insights...


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[Assistant] Whatever knowledge there is on the Baker injury, she has it. So she's gonna share that with us.


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[Assistant] You guys, you guys remember, uh, uh, Bowen for the Spurs, San Antonio Spurs. Yeah, Bruce Bowen. Bruce's wife, now ex-wife.


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[Assistant] Because first of all, his fingers were, his hands were huge, but his nails were reflective and we would always say,


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[Assistant] He does. Do you guys remember the week the Patriots were getting ready to play the Jets? Oh yeaah. I think it was Edelman.


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[Assistant] Because Belichick had a strict rule. No one from the other team's name comes out of anyone's mouth.


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[Assistant] But, so Edelman decided the workaround to that was gonna be every single answer he had.


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[Assistant] And I just said, I'm not there. I'm not there yet. I haven't seen enough of Brock Purdy. And I haven't seen enough of New Deshaun.


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[Assistant] That makes me forget about Old Deshawn. So I said I'm just not there.


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[Assistant] If you include the pay, it's easy. I'll take Brock Purdy. What is he making this year? 45 million?


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[Assistant] No, no, Brock Purdy's making 890,000, Deshaun Watson's making 45 million.


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[Assistant] That was just, that was just part one. As I'm watching this, I'm thinking, so if this was a court of law, what Mikey's done is he's told the judge that the prosecution cannot object. Right?


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[Assistant] And I think the beauty of our show is, and Mike and I talked about this this morning, the beauty of our show is, and why a lot of these formats work, is because they're free flowing organic conversations where when someone sees a point, it's usually bull or eye, but you guys can do it too and you have. When you see a point that's interruptible, you jump in.


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[Assistant] So now we have to remember all of what he just said, which is probably about two and a half minutes. That's his opening statement. If this were a trial, that was his opening statement. He's about to put some evidence out there for our ingestation. What do you make of what he just said? Go ahead, Tybus.


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[Assistant] So you're saying you're going to grade Watson on a curve because if he fails, it's because of the head coach, not because of him.


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[Assistant] No, listen, if he gives us more Tennessee Titans performances than what we saw in the first three, that's a success. But I need more of those than what we saw in the first six, seven, eight games.


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[Assistant] I mean, obviously Purdy has advantages. Now, one thing that we're not taking into account, and those stats cannot, and we know that this is the elephant in the room, Proc Purdy has significantly more weapons.


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[Assistant] What we're seeing here is a head coach who is so good, he's been able to take kind of a mid-tier guy.


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[Assistant] We were always asking in New England, is it Bill or is it Tom? Is it Bill or is it Tom? And they settled that argument when Tom went to Tampa Bay and took a team that missed the playoffs the previous year and won a Super Bowl and what the hell did they do?


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[Assistant] Cory Dillon didn't tear the league up. He had a huge year.


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[Assistant] I'm not talking about that. We're talking about when he went to Tampa, Leroy is saying they completely remade.


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[Assistant] The media, they're not gonna tell the media anything now. We know that the one time Stefanski says something, he stepped on a landmine, so they're gonna go right back to no transparency. And I don't blame them, by the way. However, if that's the case and you're the media, you have to follow breadcrumbs.


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[Assistant] And the only breadcrumbs we have was the first day that he could have been back on the field for practice, he wasn't. It doesn't mean he's not gonna play, but that's all here to go on right now.


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[Assistant] That's the problem. But, but Leroy, let me ask you this. I agree with that to a certain extent, but you also have to factor in what a team's DNA is and what your team's DNA is. I would like, I understand you're saying we're going to bring the fight to them.


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[Assistant] Well, a lot of great teams have said that and they get steamrolled in the process. Okay, but guess what?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're strapped with it. I think the bigger mistake was, and you can't undo it, was guaranteeing the fifth year. Why? I hadn't seen enough out of that. I don't know why they went ahead and did that. And now you're right. I mean, that's a $15 million mistake that you have to eat. They're not in a position to do that. They're just not. They're stuck with him.


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[Assistant] Now you're paying one hundred million for that position and that you can't, you can't win that way.


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[Assistant] Okay, I agree with you, but the reality of it is, when we thought they were a good team, Nick Chubb was healthy and Deshaun Watson was healthy.


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[Assistant] Sounds good. Thanks guys. Mike, can we take a look at the, uh, you had the receiving stats, the gross receiving stats. I do. You want to see the gross? I don't mean total. I mean gross. Can you put those up? These are our receiving numbers for the year guys.


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[Assistant] Jerome Ford, 77 yards. Well, Jerome Ford's a running back, so. Sure.


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[Assistant] Sure, that's where he should be. He shouldn't be fourth on their list of receivers.


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[Assistant] And we talked about they've got one touchdown for a receiver this year.


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[Assistant] This has been a problem throughout Stefanski's tenure. I mean...


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[Assistant] That's like, Jason kind of stumbled into this, but he said, well, you know, interceptions aren't our thing.


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[Assistant] Not the end of the world. I love Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] I do. No, I appreciate it. I do too. I think we all need to hear this. However, if he practices tomorrow and we see him stand in front of cameras after practice and he says, I threw the ball with, with zip, accuracy, my arm feels great, we're, the boat's turning 180 degrees.


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[Assistant] See, it's really tough because obviously, as Bulls pointed out, the team that you have in week 1 doesn't look like the team that you have in week 5. It won't look like the team you have in week 10, and it certainly won't look like the team you have in week 17. Just based off the football that I've seen so far, I have them above the Bengals. They beat them head-to-head by 24.


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[Assistant] And the Bengals have looked better, but they still haven't eclipsed what I thought they were gonna be. Uh, the Chargers are a better two-win team than we think.


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[Assistant] Now, they still can't get out of the way of their head coach. I think they're better than the commanders.


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[Assistant] This isn't a football player. This is a franchise. This is a guy that's making more guaranteed money than every other football player in the national football league. Here's the big question.


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[Assistant] I want to know this from an orthopedic surgeon. Are you more likely to tear a rotator cuff if it's already bruised?


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[Assistant] And none of us here can say. That's correct. I've torn my rotator cuff. It wasn't bruised prior. So I don't know.


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[Assistant] I want to know this. Are you more likely to tear a bruised rotator cuff?


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[Assistant] Because if that's the point, and that's what the Browns have to find out and answer, if that's the point, why would you subject him to unnecessary hits to one of the most ferocious defenses in the NFL when he is the franchise?


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[Assistant] No, you're asking a different question. I, I, before we get to that, I have to know this.


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[Assistant] Is he more likely to tear his rotator cuff, which he's done for the year, if he's playing with a bruised shoulder?


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[Assistant] If that's the case, wait for the contusion to go away, and then you're right back where you were before the injury started.


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[Assistant] Again, Tyvis, I understand the question you're asking. I'm thinking long picture here. You're thinking one game.


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[Assistant] I didn't say no chance, I said most people think they're gonna lose this game even if Deshaun plays. I think you gotta take all of the evidence and you have to weigh this and I hope the Browns do that.


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[Assistant] The reason I told the joke about the guy with the two black eyes...


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[Assistant] The Browns found out what happened when you play a quarterback that's injured. He's not 100% and they lost a lot of games that they maybe could have won with a backup. Because their backup was the highest paid backup in the league. Now also needing to be factored into this, their backup now is the least experienced quarterback in the NFL.


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[Assistant] No, but again, you have to look at evidence. No one piece of evidence is going to make this decision.


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[Assistant] It's gotta be a careful assessment of all of what we know. And the big piece to this, to me,


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[Assistant] I've been told a number of times this. The damage is done, you can't make it any worse. Okay, then I'm going.


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[Assistant] Typhus, all the damage is done to your quad. You can't do any more damage to your quad. What they didn't tell you is when your quad is weaker, you're stressing your hamstring and now you're at a significant higher chance of hurting something else.


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[Assistant] No, I would say until the risk of significant injury is gone. And we can't answer that. And by the way, my orthopedic surgeon will have to say this. Well, I'd have to see the MRI. I can't tell you. It could be a grade one contusion. It could be a grade four contusion.


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[Assistant] But that's one. One A was, can he feel like, does he feel like he can throw? Or can he produce what he needs to do? Once again. And you know what? I give Deshaun a lot of credit. A lot of credit. I know some people are like, oh come on, toughen up.


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[Assistant] I don't care what it is. I mean, if it's an upper body injury, you're using all of your upper body and your torso to throw the ball.


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[Assistant] We got five minutes before Tim couch here. So we're going to do a little change of, a little call audible.


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[Assistant] We're gonna squeeze this topic in real quick and G Bush, I made this topic specifically for you. This is the G Bush specialty. I'm gonna give you a player on the Browns and you tell me what their stats would be like.


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[Assistant] If Kyle Shanahan was calling plays for the Browns, same offensive talent, exact same situation, four games in Cleveland. The only difference is now Kyle Shanahan is calling the plays. So through four games this year, Steve, I need the, the season stats. Give me 39 here, not 38.