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[Assistant] And you going into middle school and you go from elementary school where you're in one room with all your people, like it's the same people in the school, but when you go to middle school or junior high school, now it's a conglomerate of all these other schools way over here, here, here. And it may be a school full of like six to eight schools make up.


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[Assistant] A junior high. So when you walk in, it's your first day at junior high, you no longer got gym.


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[Assistant] You don't got recess, you got teachers, and guess what? You move.


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[Assistant] From room to room. You don't just sit in the same room and have the same teacher. You got five teachers now. So you get there, you're a little apprehensive. It's new people from around the district. And you walk into the, into the classroom and that first day you look around and lo and behold, your mans is in the room.


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[Assistant] You like, oh, we in here. It's a reunion. And you were scared because when you got there at the beginning, nope, you ain't know no faces. Nothing went familiar. You like this about to be some, you know what your boy walk in all of a sudden your home mindset changed. And that's what it is with DeAndre Hopkins.


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[Assistant] If you want to get Deshaun Watson to be back to Deshaun Watson or better, what way


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[Assistant] Can you do that? If you bring a DeAndre Hopkins in here, now he can say, hey, you know when Deshaun is scrambling.


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[Assistant] Look, I'll be sitting over here. This is how you do it, DPJ. Hey, when Deshaun, look over here, if you got one-on-one coverage, he just gonna give you this subtle look. He throw a backstroke. Like all of that little stuff, he can teach other people, right? And it's gonna help out not only Deshaun Watson, but it's gonna help the receiving room.


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[Assistant] The number one choice where you should be at is Kansas City.


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[Assistant] Now, now, now, you say, you ask the question, do you think they'll get them?


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[Assistant] I will be very surprised if they do. I agree. If they, if they, let me just say this. If the Browns land DeAndre Hopkins


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[Assistant] For the first time in the history of the organization, I will say that the Browns are literally doing everything they can to win.


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[Assistant] I don't even like the fact that they keep putting Cedric Tillman's name in the mix. He's a down the liner. He is a rookie. David Bell, stop putting his name in the mix. I don't want even, I really don't even want Marquise Goodwin.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna, and I'll pose this question. See, I need to help y'all learn to be better. Are you with people that don't know anything or like cliches? Tell me.


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[Assistant] If money does not matter, first of all, a person worried about what the owner spends in money is ridiculous. Yea, right. I don't know why you would care what Jimmy Hasum spends.


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[Assistant] Second of all, you worried about the cap? Let me just tell you something. You can't balance your checkbook. How do you feel like you know about the imaginary salary cap? Like, oh my god. You don't, you can count all our money. We can take all our money out of our accounts and put it right here on the floor and count it.


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[Assistant] That's how poor we are compared to billionaires. At the end of the day, here's what you tell them. What is the downside to DeAndre Hopkins? Zero.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't want to see Tim, Bell, Schwartz. Only time I want to see them is on victory formation. If you want to put them in and huddle real close to the quarterback when we taking a knee and winning the game, cool. But at the end of the day, y'all got to realize something, man. The Kansas City Chiefs can do that.


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[Assistant] Stop, stop trying to pattern, yo. How many times are we here? Hey!


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[Assistant] We need to pattern, build through the draft. Look at the way Golden State did it.


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[Assistant] Too much emphasis on these unknown picks. At the end of the day, if it's the playoffs, who you feel comfortable with going into Cincinnati, going into Buffalo, going into Arrowhead, you need to win. And you talk about Cedric Tillman, he's had a good...


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[Assistant] Man, I think, uh, I think I was talking to Bernie, this is about a week ago, and Bernie was talking about how...


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[Assistant] You know, he was saying how, like when you're a quarterback, even though he had Bill Belichick, right? He had been entrenched in this city so much that like, he knew that the fans was rocking with him.


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[Assistant] He knew, like, when losers draw, they was like, he was that dude. So he would do some stuff like, I'ma change these plays, whether you like it or not, right? This how we gonna be moving, like, and he was able to do that.


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[Assistant] Right now, Deshaun Watson, whether people believe it or not, he still has not rehabilitated his, his...


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[Assistant] I think his emotional approach to the game, right? Sometimes when, you know, when you told, you know, you're bad, you've done this.


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[Assistant] You don't really, you don't really get back in and look at yourself in the mirror and say,


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[Assistant] Oh, I'm still that guy. And you won't be able to do that until you get, you do it in the game. He could look great in preseason, but like he said.


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[Assistant] That confidence is, is built through reps and success against good opponents and good teams and being able to do it when it actually counts. And another thing I think a lot of people don't take into consideration is Cleveland


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[Assistant] For a quarterback is a very tough place to play. We might not be the Jets or New York market or Chicago market or LA as far as the size, but when it comes to fan bases,


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[Assistant] We are very judgmental. Like, like Baker, like come on, when we got here and Baker was the quarterback, we was on TV every game. Every time Baker played terrible, we was on the ESPN or Fox and Skip and Shannon or Steven, everybody was commenting on that. And you don't really believe that. Just watch this year.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson will lead pretty much every discussion. The Browns will be in every conversation, whether they're good, bad, or indifferent. And I think


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[Assistant] Deshaun is trying to process that because in Houston...


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[Assistant] It's Houston. At the end of the day, if you do bad at Houston, it's the Texans.


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[Assistant] And by the way, he was kinda smiling when he says it.


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[Assistant] You know, I gotta wait a little bit to the regular season. We'll figure out, you know, how he is in the regular season. Now, I will say this. This is why it's so important.


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[Assistant] That you take heed. If you're the general manager, you hear your quarterback say that.


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[Assistant] My thing is, he don't seem like he too comfortable right now.


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[Assistant] What can I do to get this thing all the way served and ready to go? We just talked about a guy, DeAndre Hopkins. What you want to do is, and this is, this is not an indictment on the young guys, right? And a lot of people get this, this mistake. Like it is not your job to, to,


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[Assistant] Bring young guys along and make them productive immediately. That's not what the job is. Your job is to get the best guys on the field and win now. Tomorrow they might be good, next year they might be good. And you gotta think of it in terms like this.


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[Assistant] If your quarterback is saying those things and he's not over the top comfortable, uhm, what exactly was going on?


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[Assistant] Think about what you can do to, to ease that angst. If you got, if you look out there and you got


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[Assistant] Three wide receivers, and they Elijah Moore, DeAndre Hopkins, and Amari Cooper, David Njoka was your tight end, and behind you was Nick Chubb. That look ain't a pretty good office of mine.


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[Assistant] That level of comfort goes up this much. Cause I got a guy that I know has made plays for me. I got a guy that I don't even know what route he run. He gonna get open one on one. I got a guy, Elijah Moore, that I can dump it quick, move around. And then Joku, I got him over the middle. And it all else fails if I don't even like to call.


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[Assistant] If I don't even like to call, I can either take the ball and run it myself, or turn around and audible and give it to Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] Now, you gotta be, you gotta be super comfortable in that environment because now when you look around, one of the best things that I've always liked, you know, I was talking to Mike Dawes the other day, the best thing I love about playing with other players who you feel is like either


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[Assistant] Well, you know, the quarterback is a whole nother different. Like, they put, that's a whole nother different thing. Like, everybody is scared. Like, to me?


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[Assistant] I'm still at the point where every time I ask him a question, I'm just waiting for it.


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[Assistant] The question about the allegations, which is kind of crazy to me because I know if I'm thinking that.


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[Assistant] I think Deshawn probably still thinking in the back of his mind. So, uh, Deshawn, could you give us an update? I know you do have those two pending allegations. Is that gonna, is that gonna take you away from OTAs and have, like, well, I'm, at least I'm glad that part of it is off.


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[Assistant] That's the, that's the understatement of the year. And I like the fact that here's the thing, he understands, he understands where you at in the climate.


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[Assistant] Now you, them people that's waiting in the wings, cause by the way, they're still here. Like, let's not act like all the Baker Mayfield people just ain't undercover. They, they hiding in plain sight. They just not gonna say nothing. They're locked into that competition with Kyle Trash. And as soon as he throw a touchdown, I, you know, we gave up too early. There's a lot of people that still ain't got over the Baker thing.


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[Assistant] So planet koi is cool. Who's running with the wands down there? Who's running with the wands?


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[Assistant] Coach Prime had, Coach Prime had another introductory, uh, post, uh, like presser with his team and I'm like, why?


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[Assistant] We just saw this. You just had a press conference with your team. Oh no. He said no, the Louis luggage came. I was telling the old guys that no longer here. I got the Louis luggage. They come in with their baggage. He had a whole new team, whole new portal team. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] Justin Herbert. Maybe Elijah Moore, maybe Elijah Moore got 600.


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[Assistant] And by the way, look at the touchdowns. 1100. Look at this distribution. And by the way, Nick Chubb scores almost 10 touchdowns and has 14 hun on the ground.


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[Assistant] Of course you do. By the, by the way, uh, in 1999, uh, Marshall Falk, uh, in 16 games had, uh, 1,381 yards on the ground. Um, and how many touchdowns was that? Seven touchdowns on the ground. He also added 1000.


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[Assistant] 48 yards in the air, and he got 103 targets that year. He, uh, for 2,429 total yards. Damn.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's crazy. Marshall Falk is awesome. That's crazy. I know he won MVP.


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[Assistant] The Browns, I haven't seen the Browns ever win in Seattle. Ever. It's hard to win in Seattle. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] The only way in Joku gets that type, he needs to be running Travis Kelce routes. Like, not these little sit-down joints, like, you know, turn around, go five yards and turn around. Is he a route runner like that?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he's not really- I don't think his route running is great. He's one of those dudes that's fast, but don't look fast. Yeaah, sneaky fast. He don't really pay that fast.


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[Assistant] We know, like, if you drafted somebody for the Browns in your fantasy, the problem is, A, you don't know what playbook they're running.


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[Assistant] B, you don't know which was, every quarterback has a guy they develop something with where it's just like, I'm just gonna throw in the ball regardless. And we don't, in them six games, I didn't see a pattern. I didn't see whether it's DPJ.


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[Assistant] Thumb down. Daryl, Daryl Ryder was on, uh, on the radio. He was saying that the reason that they, that they didn't have, uh, they didn't go out and get another running back behind, uh, you know, Nick Chubb, they got Jerome Ford is because Deshaun Watson is going to be used in the running game. And I'm like,


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[Assistant] I don't think it's that crazy. Hilarious. I could see, as constituted, I could see them throwing, him throwing 16 interception. You know why? It's because


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[Assistant] These guys ain't really, you know, DPJ, even when he's open, he ain't open. He catch the ball and it be dudes all over his body. Like just draped like blankets. He loves the dig route. He loves the dig route. He's always sly. I'm like, can you catch a ball upright and get you some yards after catch? No. Elijah Moore is a smallest receiver.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he's fast, but I mean, how many, how many vertical threats is he gonna have? And then Amari Cooper is a route runner. He's not really a deep threat either. So if you just look at that, that means you're gonna have to be fitting the ball with timing and placing.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that's why I would like, if you were gonna run somebody off, I would much rather you get ran off and DeAndre Hopkins is backside. That makes a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] I, I, I don't, I very, I very rarely see those, those shot plays where it's like, okay, we got something here. These be sitting down a lot.


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[Assistant] Darius, Darius Smith has 19 sacks. Miles Garrett has 24. I mean, Sean Watson's stats are very good there, but they're not like old world. I mean, what you're telling me is that the defense of the Jim Schwartz was the best defense in the last decade.


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[Assistant] I think this is a new age. Like, I think, I think pitchers have evolved, like, kinda like quarterbacks have evolved. Like, there's, before, you would take a guy because you felt like he, he had commanded offense, or he was a leader, or, or he was doing, but if you, if you don't got the arms,


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[Assistant] Not to make the throws to get the defense off of, off of you. You're going to be in trouble. And Kyle Contro, Contro is a nice pitcher. He's a nice middle of the road. But the problem is his stuff is not overbearing.


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[Assistant] And when you, when you, it's not overbearing, that means you gotta hit spots, you gotta hit different positions, and one inch here, one inch here, when you're throwing


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[Assistant] I think that's the biggest thing for the Guardians. The telltale signs is when you look at them, they never have easy wins.


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[Assistant] Like, could you imagine going in there every single game and being like, okay, this is a pressure packed...


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[Assistant] And because you know you can't come back and get that right back. Like my dad was always watching the game the other day. He was like, yeah, this is the ninth inning. They trying to rally up.


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[Assistant] It's not, you're down three, it's not happening. For other teams that's a thing. So I look at it, that puts so much stress on you and is that a formula that you can reproduce? Like I don't think you can. I think with some of those games you're gonna win like last year, you won a lot of close games.


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[Assistant] The next year if you play in those same games, you could win a lot, you could lose a lot of those same games. So I think that's the most frustrating thing with the Guardians at this point. Because you do know that they're going to play a lot of close games and sometimes it just comes down to a hit or a miss.


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[Assistant] Is it, this is, this goes to a philosophical question, I was thinking about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was in my mind. So in the NBA, I think when, you know, we talk about the viability of baseball and the popularity of it.


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[Assistant] So in the NBA, they made a conscious decision.


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[Assistant] To go to, to, to offense. They made goaltending, uh, illegal. They gave you a three point line. They eliminated hand checking and that.


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[Assistant] Now scoring's up, DMBA is what it is. Has baseball made a conscious effort?


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[Assistant] To make the pictures the most important people, or did it just evolve that way?


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[Assistant] Oh, I love high score football games. High score football games is where it's at.


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[Assistant] I'm a defender, but I think they've done a good enough job to make- I don't even know who you are.


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[Assistant] What do you think Donovan Mitchell is gonna do? Like you have to actually get to the, to the conference finals and win it for him to say, okay, I might think about signing an extension here. But even with that, Kyrie Irving wanted to leave after they won a championship.


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[Assistant] That's not going down. I'm just, I don't know what, I don't know what Kobe's thinking about. Am I, am I crazy? He's daee.


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[Assistant] That's actually, that's actually, and by the way, I, I, you know, and if you do get the first round pick, uhm, somebody give me Imani Bates on the line. Can we get him? Uh, I gotta say, you know more about basketball.


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[Assistant] Hey, if you somehow subliminally put that in the universe and we get it, shout out to you. We appreciate it. Alright, thanks Evan.


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[Assistant] That was cause I was running over there right now. I'm gonna be honest with you after watching the playoffs. I have a different perspective on the whole roster. Like there's like I'm watching. We're getting into tomorrow. Don't spill the beans too much.


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[Assistant] Tyrone Hill. Who is that? Who is Tyrone Hill?


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[Assistant] See, he played, he played on, uh, they had back then Tyrone Hill, Bob Sir, Wesley Person was on that hill.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, Chris, you know, after, after the playoffs happened.


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[Assistant] And I'm watching the character and they got Donovan Mitchell and I'm looking at it and I'm like, man.


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[Assistant] We, we kind of far away. And then I look at the guardians and I say, okay, well.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know if we can win this way, playing small ball and not being able to, you know, hit for power.


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[Assistant] And then I guess I look at the Browns and say, well, it could be a chance that either the coach signs an extension and we love them or after six games, we're like, oh, we're going to start over with this. I mean, who is the closest as constituted that you would say between the three teams?


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[Assistant] That is the closest to winning a championship.


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[Assistant] You know, you know, Chris, a little along the lines of kind of what Typhus is saying about J.B. Biggers, Saffron, and I think maybe this is more a question about Kobe Altman and the direction.


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[Assistant] Of the, uh, of the Cavs organization. So you give up the picks to Utah to get Donovan Mitchell, right? Uhm, Kobe Altman said, you know, they won 51 games. So that's a big marketing league. We're not going to make any.


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[Assistant] Uhm, any sweeping changes. But when you look at Donovan Mitchell's contract, I think he has two more years on his deal. Uhm, and, and you know what that means. We, we should know. We got, we've been through Kyrie, we've been through LeBron. When you got two years left on your deal, that means you got one year, really, cause you don't have to start thinking about whether or not he's gonna sign the extension.


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[Assistant] When Kobe Altman says that, hey, we're not going to make any sweeping changes here, and I'm watching these other teams in the playoffs, and like you said, I'm watching Spolstra with a playing team.


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[Assistant] Go on the road to Boston after a heartbreaking loss and win that game, you look at some of the teams like Atlanta, you look at teams like Philadelphia.


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[Assistant] I'm looking at the Cavs and I'm like, well, they might not be better than any of those teams. And if you're not going to make any sweeping changes, how do they go about getting better?


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[Assistant] He's been doing national stuff for years and he still keeps in contact.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's it. He win that. Yeah, he win that. Yeah, that's a dope one.


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[Assistant] Hey, here we are everybody. It's the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, a Tuesday edition.


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[Assistant] You know, my wife is, even before she got leukemia, she was always kind of cold.


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[Assistant] And now it's like she just finished her, had her, her transplant, she's home, she's doing pretty well, but she's cold. Like we were using the heat as recently as a day or two ago. Oh wow. So like I'm dying, but what am I gonna do? My wife has a, you know, like she gets the priority right now. So I'm gonna sweat my ass off. So it's only air conditioning overnight for me. That's it.


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[Assistant] I hope everybody had a great holiday weekend and hope everybody remembered at least for some of the time that it's all the partying and drinking and eating.


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[Assistant] Uh, was about, was a purpose, reason most people had off yesterday, not everybody, but was because of Memorial Day and what that means. Often we just celebrate the day and party and don't think about what it really means, which we all should. Did you guys have a good weekend? I had a great weekend.


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[Assistant] It's horrible. Moving is awful. That's why I don't do it. Last time I moved, I paid somebody to do it for me. I've had enough of this. I've moved myself 32 times. I'm done.


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[Assistant] Uh, by the way, I was planning to use my grill and cook out yesterday, but as we go to turn it on, I realized I have no, the gas is gone.


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[Assistant] So this is crazy. So I'm cooking chicken thighs in the oven and then on top of the stove top I had corn.


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[Assistant] Burgers and hot dogs. I basically did this. I'm making a baked potato for myself. Some other side dishes. I did it all myself. Which, and I don't cook. Oh wow. But it all came out perfect. Some happened.


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[Assistant] You gotta go charcoal. I don't have, I, I, the grill I have is my charcoal. Charcoal grills are, yeah.


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[Assistant] That's true. You'd be like. I didn't do any of the extra stuff, but I did soak my, the chicken thighs in soy vey. Anybody use soy vey? No.


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[Assistant] That sounds like a- It sounds gross, but it's actually really good. It's like a, a Chinese- it's like-


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[Assistant] A Chinese, uhm, barbecue sauce, I guess, kind of. It sounds like garlic in it.


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[Assistant] By the way, thanks to everybody that showed up at the Lemonade Stand.


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[Assistant] On, uh, Saturday, I was there for about an hour and a half. Uh, Anthony showed up with his friend and his mom. It was nice to meet them and they...


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[Assistant] That, a bunch of other lemonade stands that were open in Rocky River, where people were raising money, and the GoFundMe page, they raised over $57,000.


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[Assistant] That's insane. Wow. Medical bills and stuff like that. I had a chance to talk with Spencer's dad on Saturday. Really nice guy. I apparently had met him once before because he had been an assistant coach on one of the Little League teams last year. Really nice and, you know, he and I talked.


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[Assistant] And, uh, anyway, the family is very appreciative for everything that everybody did, uh, to contribute. So thank you all. Mikey!


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[Assistant] And when you brought this up before, it didn't strike me. And then as you're saying it now, it just struck a chord. So we maybe need to double check this.


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[Assistant] I believe that as of last night, technically, he had not officially been cut yet.


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[Assistant] Now he is expected to be cut. I know the word was that he was definitely cut, but I read something last night, I can't even remember where I read it, and I forgot about it until just now. That said, technically he hasn't been cut yet, officially. Although I think we should go onto the...


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[Assistant] The premise that he will be officially, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, if you're the Browns, obviously you go after DeAndre Hopkins.


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[Assistant] The Browns, more than almost any team, this season is more critical to the Browns than I would argue almost any team if not any team in football. The coach's job is on the line, the GM's job is on the line, everybody's job is on the line. If it doesn't work this year with Deshaun Watson,


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, I don't even know where you go from here. Because it's not like you can get rid of Watson.


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[Assistant] So everybody's gonna get fired, and then you, you know, for all the optimism we have about Watson bouncing back, it's easy to say it was just six games, I think most of us think he's gonna bounce back and play well. If he stinks this season, well, nobody's gonna think that the year after, doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but nobody's gonna think that. So, in my mind, I want to have the best chance to win.


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[Assistant] And even though the Brownswide Receiving Corps is certainly improved, at least on paper from where it was at the end of last year, the Andre Hopkins, even as he turns 31 next week, uh, is still


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[Assistant] At this point, better than any receiver the Browns have. I know some people may argue Amari Cooper.


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[Assistant] You know, and listen, he's missed some time, he was suspended, he's had injuries a little bit the last two years, when he's on the field.


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[Assistant] Now that is a bad graphic by those guys. Bad job by you guys. You gotta put the games there. DPJ played the whole season.


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[Assistant] He was on pace for like another 1300 yard season last year.


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[Assistant] I would because, listen, at worst case scenario, look, it is possible he goes over the cliff this year. It happens around 31, 32 for a lot of wide receivers.


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[Assistant] By the way, he is, he is the, he is the best, like he doesn't drop the bowl. Even now, he never drops the bowl.


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[Assistant] So, if I got him for two years, well, after this year, I can move on from Amari Cooper. I can move on from DPJ. There's going to be some openings there. I'm not signing DPJ. I'm uninterested in signing him to a long-term deal, unless it's at a really cheap rate. I'm not paying him 10 million a year for four years. He's not worth it. So, uh,


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[Assistant] Yes, I would sign him to a two year, if that got it done, I'd give him a two year deal.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, I get it. And you probably have to honestly overpay him a little bit with the risk that he's old for a wide receiver. But in the end, to me, because he showed no signs of it last year,


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[Assistant] He was still awesome. He had almost 800 yards in 9 games.


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[Assistant] I mean, think about your, now, if you saw, if you, now again, I agree with, with, with you, Jason.


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[Assistant] Even though I'd be the number one guy in my opinion, I don't know if you guys agree, but if I'm him, my first choice is Kansas City, my second choice is Buffalo, the Bengals are not going to be interested.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I'm Hopkins. Dallas Cowboys. Yeaah, yeaah, I can see that. Uh, but I think the Browns, now the question is, what's the relationship like between Watson and Hopkins? Like if they're really close, then maybe that gives the Browns a better chance. I don't know.


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[Assistant] No, I don't think he's going to have 1,500 yards, but I think he could have 1,100, 1,200 yards. I do too. Probably. Uhm, and yeaah, I agree, you don't always want to go after the big sexy name. People who brought the same thing up with Zeke Elliott, I don't think he makes any sense for the brand. No.


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[Assistant] You know, right now your number two receiver is either Elijah Moore or DPJ. Like, I don't know if those guys are definitely number two wide receivers.


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[Assistant] You know, David Bell and, and, uh, what's his name? Uh, no, Wilk, uh, no, the kid they drafted this year. What's his name?


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[Assistant] I mean, I would think he, I mean, he could have stayed in Arizona, right? If he just cared about the money. Well, they released, that wasn't the option.


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[Assistant] I'm never gonna be critical of a guy trying to make all the money they can. Never. However...


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[Assistant] If I were DeAndre Hopkins, I think, I don't know, I'm not a superior athlete.


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[Assistant] Well over. He's probably, and his family is probably set for life. And I'm not saying the brown should be the choice, but just in theory, I'd rather get


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[Assistant] For me, at this point, if this was the first contract he's ever signing, I get it. But he's made so much money, in the grand scheme of things, is it gonna matter? That 8 million dollars, is that gonna change his life at all? Probably not. Again, it's not my money, and I won't kill him for doing it, I'm just saying what I think I would do if I were in his...


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[Assistant] He might get more total like if he signs a two year deal, but per year I bet he doesn't get more, even though he should. Depends where he goes.


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[Assistant] A snake draft is unfair with three rounds because I get to pick last in the first round and then I'm screwed with the last pick.


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[Assistant] By the way, I think we should add special teams, and we only pick nine, then one gets left on the table.


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[Assistant] Realms 4th probably could be your starter next year. I like 4th. What's interesting about this exercise, and let me talk to the fans at home.


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[Assistant] Because not only at three, because of these two knuckleheads, did I end up with the best unit on the Browns, I also still have the second best unit on the Browns available.


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[Assistant] I could argue I have the top three still available. Where should I turn? I don't know. Let's start with the offensive line. The best unit on the Cleveland Browns. Joel Batonio is going to the Hall of Fame. He is the most accomplished


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[Assistant] Joel Batonio's done it longer. He has played at the super elite level his entire career. Okay?


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[Assistant] Overall, the key on an offensive line is not having any huge weak spots.


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[Assistant] On the defensive end, I don't know. Oboe's still a question mark. He hasn't done that much. There's some depth issues there. Running back, yea Nick Chubb's great, but he's not good at catching the ball.


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[Assistant] You see, Deshaun Watson, the last time he played a full season, was the best quarterback in football. Yes, he was. He had the highest PFF grade we've ever seen, I believe. He certainly was number one. The quarterback room, you can't win! How can you vote? Nobody wins in this NFL without a quarterback.


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[Assistant] And I've got a guy who has been the best quarterback in the league. He wasn't last year, I grant you that. But last year is last year. He was rusty. He hadn't played in a while. This year, he's gonna be fantastic. He is gonna throw a ton of touchdowns. G. Bush has told you a million times, he's throwing for 5,000 yards. So I don't know how G. Bush can argue against it. Quarterback. Offensive line. You're all set.


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[Assistant] The woman on the phone I was talking to today, she was flirting with me on the phone because she liked the sexy voice.


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[Assistant] G. Bush, coaches, linebackers, linebackers looking good, I think.


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[Assistant] That have been good for more than one year on the Browns. That's it. Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward. That's the list. Okay? In all three of his positions.


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[Assistant] Gee Bush took the coaches, including Bubba Ventrone. Because Bubba Ventrone is an elite special teams coach. The Browns already had a really good young kicker. Yeaah, he missed some, he missed some kicks last year, okay. But he hit some really long ones, including a game winner. This guy's gonna be a top five kicker in the league this year. Punter, solid. They've got, they've got,


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[Assistant] I'd say above average last year. To this year, I think the Browns are going to be an elite special teams unit in all phases. This is complete domination, folks. We've got the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Who's been one of the best in the league. Offensive lineman, offense, the offensive line has four guys that have been pro bowlers.


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[Assistant] Maybe three. Uh, and special teams led by coach Ray Ventrone, uh, G. Bush. He's picking the coaches. The head coach could get fired by week five. How much can I trust that? Uh, so I obviously have the best team.


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[Assistant] Well, I think they're a little better than that, but let's say you had eight mediocre guys. Well, you could say, wow, we're deeper than this other team, right? Let's put it this way. Who's got a deeper wide receiving core? The Browns or the Bengals? The Browns do. The Bengals have a much better wide receiving core.


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[Assistant] Let's be honest, our fans don't know what the F they're talking about.


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[Assistant] Why didn't you have 32? Hey, last year? 100%, that was last year.


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[Assistant] There you go. Thanks to everybody for voting. I'm just busting you balls. Uh, so there you go. Good for you, G. Bush. Congratulations. And all my successors.


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[Assistant] So Mike sends this, uh, text when he sends us, you know, what we're going to talk about, all his subjects here, he's like, are we buying in that the Guardians have turned it around? I mean, it's four freaking games.


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[Assistant] Now, they had some nice wins over the weekend. Jose coming through with the big hit on Sunday to walk that one off. Logan Allen did a great job. And the Guardians had an inning yesterday when they took it from one to five, I think it was.


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[Assistant] Where it was like one of those innings they had consistently last year, where they were running the bases and getting a bunch of singles a year, and it was good to see it. And these games have been against, you know, a cardinal team that had, that their record's not great, but they got, they're playing much better now, and Baltimore's got the second best record in all of baseball.


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[Assistant] So it's some nice wins here. They did a good job. But still not scoring a lot of runs. I gotta see them play well over a longer stretch.


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[Assistant] Before I'm ready to declare them, you know, back.


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[Assistant] If they're all back, the rotation is definitely Bieber, Allen, Bybee, and McKenzie. And then the fifth spot's either Quantrill or Savalli. One of those guys goes to the pen. If they're healthy.


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[Assistant] I'm not sending Logan Allen down, I mean he's pitching better than those guys.


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[Assistant] It's possible they'd go to a six man rotation for a short term. You know, for a couple of weeks till, you know.


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[Assistant] Well, they don't feel like a real contender, but the reality is there's only two teams that are out of it in baseball. Kansas City and Oakland.


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[Assistant] The Cubs have the worst record in the National League, and they're only like four games out of a playoff spot. The Guardians...


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was a shocker. Uh, but, so everybody's still in it, even all these schlepa-dicka teams in the center, in both central, both central divisions are horrible.


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[Assistant] Well, the reality is that we, and I blame myself, uh, and I'll blame Jason too, because we are die-hard baseball guys. We should have known the lineup wouldn't be. Like, we...


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[Assistant] We got caught up in last year, like, everything went perfect for the offense. And this year it's not. And we should have expected that. Uhm, again, Miles Straw's not a Major League, he can't, he's not an everyday player.


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[Assistant] They're not getting everyday production at a right field. They're getting no production at a catcher.


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[Assistant] This patchwork, cheap guys that they signed a free agent, it's not working the last few years. And yeaah, the guardians could still end up winning the division, because the division is horrible, and they could find a way with their pitching, but it's, it's not going away here.


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[Assistant] Like, you, Josh Naylor can't hit lefties, you'd get no production at a catcher, no production at a center, nothing at a right field, uh, every...


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[Assistant] Every player on this team has an OPS under 800. Except for Jose Ramirez, I believe. Who's like, right at 800.


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[Assistant] I think even though I was saying, well, all these young guys played well last year, there's gonna be, there's probably gonna be some regression.


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[Assistant] I, I, I kind of ignored it. I also ignored the fact that, yeah, Josh Bell and Mike Zanino, I thought, and Josh Bell is still better than what they had.


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[Assistant] But not much. And I thought Zanino could still really be effective. I should have known it coming off that massive injury last year, that he was useless. And then, you know,


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[Assistant] But Jimenez especially, Jason. He's been hitting us.


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[Assistant] They can't afford it because their payroll is low. And if the Guardians decide they want to be serious about trying to win, they've got to spend more money. They haven't been serious enough. I haven't been critical enough. I've criticized the payroll at times, but not enough.


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[Assistant] And it's really hurting them now because they've, they wasted money on Bell. They wasted money on Zanino. In my opinion, they wasted money on, on Miles Straw.


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[Assistant] That are relying on guys getting on base and stealing bases and being great base runners. If everything else is not perfect, you can't win. And right now, the bullpen's not good enough. Uh, you, you look at this team and you say, well, who's been better than you would have expected? The only two guys are Bybee and, and Alan because we didn't have any


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[Assistant] Beiber's been disappointing. Again, he's been okay, but he hasn't pitched on Yassai Youngguy. Quantrill's been not- been bad. Police Act disaster. McKenzie's been hurt. So the rest of the rotation. Has anybody in the pen?


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[Assistant] Everybody in the pen's been at least a little worse than you would have thought, in some cases a lot worse than you would have thought, in the lineup.


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[Assistant] No, look. You said the other day, Jason, that you'd like move on from Rosario. That's what I was going to do. Play Arias or Freeman or whoever every day. I mean, I think it's time. I think it's time. It's two months. Rosario's gone at the end of the year. Why, why are we playing them every day? I mean, part of the problem.


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[Assistant] We need to see, you know, if you're not gonna make, like they, they put themselves in a situation where they have this glut of talent, young players, most of them are not panning out when they've gotten their, you know, but they're not getting a consistent opportunity, like they keep seeing them change their mind on who should get the opportunity right now, Freeman, and then, you know, Aria.


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[Assistant] And nobody can put the bat on the ball. They need proven hitters in the lineup. And it can't always be guys at the back end that you hope to get one more year out of Josh Bell or one more year out of Mike Zanino. You know, they gotta stop doing that. And they, I think they have to make a significant trade here to me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I still, but they gotta make a significant trade to get a proven veteran hitter. And now, it's not easy.


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[Assistant] Well, left field, first base, DH, center field, I don't care, catcher, I mean anything.


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[Assistant] You know, who are you training for? I mean, it is tricky to be fair to them. Because the only teams that are out of it, like Detroit, well, you're not training, you're not going to go train for Javi Baez and his bad contract. The Tigers only have veterans who are not that good and young players who they're not going to train. Kansas City, like who are you training for in Kansas City?


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[Assistant] But there are guys, it's not a dump trade like you'd make with Kansas City or Detroit. There are some teams out there that have two good catchers. Like, see what they want for one. Tampa Bay's got a couple.


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[Assistant] You got cut. Not necessarily, but your player is designated for assignment.


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[Assistant] The team, he comes off the 26-man roster, the active 26-man roster, and then a team


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's how you make room. Right, you're right. He comes off the act, he comes off the act of 26 and the 40 million, you're correct. And then you have a week to either send him down to the minors potentially, if it's a veteran you have to accept it, cut him outright or trade him.


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[Assistant] It happens with veteran players. The Cubs just did it with Aaron Cosmer. The Yankees just did it with Aaron Hicks. But it gives you time to trade a guy when he's off your roster, essentially. It creates a roster.


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[Assistant] I think fans would rather bow nail or play and the guardians admit they blew the, they blew it. Oh sure. By the way, like to me,


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[Assistant] The Cardinals, and the, and the Guardians have made a few trades with the Cardinals in recent years. Uhm, they're a perfect trade partner. The Cardinals have like five or six good outfielders.


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[Assistant] They have Dylan Carlson. They have Tyler O'Neill. They have Lars Knutbar. They have Alec Burleson. They have, what's his name? The kid that started the season, Jordan Walker, I think is his name. The kid who's a big prospect, started the season. Jordan Walker. That's five guys.


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[Assistant] I mentioned, um, Juan Yepes, they got tons of outfielders.


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[Assistant] I did not know. That's crazy. That's it. I want, the Cardinals are a perfect team. They need pitching.


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[Assistant] And you can get a guy who's proven. Now they're not perfect players. Tyler O'Neill's not a perfect player. He's a flawed player. So is Dylan Carlson. But they're up, they're big upgrades. And what you could do, if you traded for a Tyler O'Neill, you put him in center field every day.


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[Assistant] And then you have Miles Straw platoon with Will Brennan in right field. You have Miles Straw play against lefties.


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[Assistant] And you're gonna get, I mean think about how good your outfield would be with Tyler O'Neal and Miles Straw, occasionally with Quan.


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[Assistant] Listen, and maybe they won't do that because they paid all this money to straw, which was a mistake in my opinion, whatever. You can't decide you're going to be a team with a light lineup and then go with a guy in straw every day who can't hit.


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[Assistant] By the way, speaking of the dudes, I didn't realize the homeless guy on the heat bench was Tyler Hero.


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[Assistant] The teams that are 0 and 3 are now what? 0 and 151 in trying to win the series. I think it's 0 and 152. With 2? I think the Celtics were the first team ever


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[Assistant] Shout out to your guy, Joe Varden, who was one of the guys that actually got it right. Caleb Martin was the MVP of the series.


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[Assistant] And not Jimmy Butler in my opinion. It was seven people that voted. Four voted for Butler, three including Joe.


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[Assistant] I didn't see that. I didn't see the results. I saw it last night. Uh, Reggie Miller.


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[Assistant] I don't know, Jimmy Butler didn't play that great after game too. And Vincent played his lights out two of the games earlier. This is crazy. I still think the Nuggets are going to win the finals. Do you guys? Yeaah. I would take Denver.


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[Assistant] What about the, we find out at least early about rest versus rust, right? Like, the Heat had to play a grueling seven game series, the Celtics came back, they get two days off before game one, the Nuggets have been off for what, nine days, ten days?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, you can get better at anything. What do you think? How many games do you think Nuggets win in?


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[Assistant] Go find somebody. But you got, it's all about the buy-in from the players. Yes. The players totally buy into Eric Spalstra. Oh, as they should. Yea, as they should.


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[Assistant] How could it be plus three ten for them to win in seven? I think it's...


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[Assistant] Plus what? Plus 380. No, the most likely is 5, that's what they're saying. It's plus 265.


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[Assistant] So the Heat are more likely to win in 6 and 7 because they're at home. I actually would like, if I was going to bet something, I'd bet the Nuggets in 6.


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[Assistant] But would you do it if you could? If there was a number that Bob Myers would take to come right to the cab, would you do it? I mean yea, I think you gotta make a phone call.


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[Assistant] Well, Halliburton's the best player in the draft. Well, Halliburton and Vasella, both good players. I mean, but if Halliburton's an all-star, he's terrific.


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[Assistant] By the way, speaking of the draft, something I had no idea, I don't know if any of you guys knew this. Did you know?


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[Assistant] That, I don't know when this started, sometime in the 1940s, through 1965, I believe, whatever year, uh, Rick Barry was drafted, I think it was 65, that there was a thing


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[Assistant] This is wild. If this went on today, this would be a massive advantage for teams in Ohio, especially with football.


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[Assistant] So from the 40s to the mid 60s, there was a thing in the NBA draft.


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[Assistant] That you could give up your first round pick.


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[Assistant] No matter where you were picking. Now I don't know how they decided who made the choice first, but if you had a player that lived


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[Assistant] Within, I don't know if it was a hundred miles, without a certain amount of miles of your hometown, Dean.


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[Assistant] So in other words, if you lived, maybe it was 200 miles, I don't know what it was. So in other words, the Browns in theory, if this happened in football, could give up their first round pick and just take the best player at Ohio State.


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[Assistant] Did anybody know this existed? No, I did not know. This blew my mind when I saw this. And then eventually they were like, well, this is unfair to certain teams. Yeah. So they stopped doing it. But anyway.


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[Assistant] And to me it feels like, and maybe it's not the case anymore because he's not running the team the same way he did, but to me it feels like Dan Gilbert would never hire a guy like Bob Myers because he doesn't, he doesn't like anybody in his organization having that much power.


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[Assistant] Well, I am not from here and I've fallen in love with Cleveland and I'm probably going to live at least until my son's out of high school, at the very least. I might retire somewhere else, who the hell knows, but I'm planning, you never know in this business, but I'm planning to live here the rest of my career at this point. And I love Cleveland and it is a great place to raise a family, there's no doubt about that. Uh, but I don't even think it's just Cleveland.


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[Assistant] It's, it's a, it really is. Because basketball, you know, like football, it's not as big a deal. Cause you're only, you could spend seven, eight months somewhere else. Whereas basketball, I mean, it's...


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[Assistant] And those teams are all good. Except for, uh, the Phillies are not playing well.


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[Assistant] Who was the first guy again? Oh, Rel. The Pirates aren't very good, but they just extended him. They're not going to trade him. And the Phillies are not playing great right now, but they're not going to trade Schwaber. I mean obviously Schwaber would be the perfect player for the Guardians.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he just, you know, he's got massive power. You know.


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[Assistant] No, Adley Rushman, that's the craziest of them all. Orioles would never trade that guy.


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[Assistant] Right, but had there been the oldest original eight, they still would have made the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I don't think it will cost that much, but in the end, I'm not going to let money stand in the way for my team getting better.


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[Assistant] How did Johnson come to that conclusion? It's, it's actually, I actually agree with that. I hadn't really thought about that. Yeah, I like them all for one year. It depends what you get. Maybe you can get a linebacker for him.


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[Assistant] If he's, to me, Donald P. Jones is now your fourth receiver. So if I can get something for him, I would trade him at that point. Wow. That's how I look at it.


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[Assistant] What'd you get for Don Peebles Jones? A fifth round pick? Probably. Would you rather have DeAndre Hopkins in a fifth round pick or Don Peebles Jones? Seems pretty easy to me.


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[Assistant] David Bell, they're not cuttin' him after one year. Right now, I think he's the odd man out. Oh, you think they might cut him after one year? No, no, no.


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[Assistant] I don't think you have to lose, but they might consider it if they did sign him. Go ahead, Mikey.


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[Assistant] Well, who was the, uh, what was the best trash talk on the field, uh, this weekend? Is there anything good?


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[Assistant] But like, did you overhear anybody else trash-talking anybody? Or did you trash-talk anybody?


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[Assistant] Interesting, this week, in the last week, the NFL announced that


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[Assistant] They could flex games in the Thursday Night Football late in the season.


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[Assistant] And players, it always seems like the players don't love Thursday Night Football, but interestingly, on their podcast,


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[Assistant] The Kelsey brothers, who obviously have been around a long time, Jason, Travis, Kelsey, who are both from this area. They both said they love Thursday Night Football. They love playing it because it's a light practice week and then they get a bye kind of at the end of it.


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[Assistant] And they like, uh, games being flexed because when they're not playing on Thursday, they want to watch a good game, just like the rest of the fans. As a player, I don't know what your shortest turnaround is, has been in your career in terms of playing. Would you mind, would you mind playing Thursday night games? Like, you think it's a big deal?


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[Assistant] There you go, I had a little bit of bad connection at the end, but yeaah, this is a good weekend for me. Actually, it's actually my birthday on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Older than you is his answer. I think he's 65.


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[Assistant] So Steve's 60+. At least you're alive. You're in better shape than me, Steve. Alright.


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[Assistant] You know, whatever. Age is just a number. Except I, now I feel every bit my age. But I still act like I'm 13, so. That's okay.


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[Assistant] Always. I love a great potty joke. Any final thoughts from anybody before we go? All for the day. Remember, no overtime today.


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[Assistant] Uh, because we're doing some sort of test run. Two big games tonight. The Mucky Mucks get to watch.


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[Assistant] Darn right. That's pretty cool. That is, that is really cool. Alright, we'll see you tomorrow. That's it. You got a final thought? Quickly?


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[Assistant] Jason was loyal to Sonny years after Sonny stopped being loyal to Jason.


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[Assistant] In 2016, President Trump is seen as an outlier in the Republican Party. The Republican Party is in some ways shunning him.


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[Assistant] The loudest voices in the Republican party are not getting behind Trump.


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[Assistant] It's not just a place where racist ideals can exist, but it's a place where racist ideals can be fueled by the White House.


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[Assistant] It ushers in a part of America and a history of America that people are going to look at for years to come as the defining moments of the Trump presidency.


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[Assistant] Mike Pence was added to the ticket to give Donald Trump a measure of legitimacy in the Republican party.


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[Assistant] If somebody like Mike Pence would agree to join the ticket and be the running mate for somebody like Donald Trump, then maybe he wasn't that bad.


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[Assistant] We know this president to be the kind of president who was not very steeped in details of legislation or policy or just the nitty gritty aspects of governing. So he was very happy, I think, to let others take the lead and he would just be the person to sign legislation.


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[Assistant] To refrain from calling out the president when he did something that they disagreed with.


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[Assistant] And the president didn't say to the crowd, well, no, we don't want to lock anybody up. He kind of joined in with them.


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[Assistant] It's very blatant. The conversation was more than an hour long with the president of the United States continually pressing these officials.


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[Assistant] To find votes, to find enough votes to be able to declare him the winner of a state that he clearly lost.


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[Assistant] He continually turned the screws on Mike Pence and so.


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[Assistant] This was a moment for Mike Pence to either stand up or buckle under the pressure.


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[Assistant] Look at the time. Oh, is it time again to break another campaign promise? Where's your wall? It's coming. And Mexico's still gonna pay for it.


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[Assistant] Ain't that right, Mexico? A la máquina. I'm New Mexico. I'm part of America. Yeaah. Central America. Orale. Mexico is in North America. And Cuba is in Florida. And student debt forgiveness ain't in Biden's plans. Look.


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[Assistant] Sound to me like we get to talk about it now then. No. Sounds good to me. I have a good reason for dropping student loan forgiveness. I'd love to hear it. It would not.


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[Assistant] And criticisms of what the President said, instead of criticizing those who brought that hatred and violence to the streets of Charlottesville, Virginia.


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[Assistant] President Donald Trump is a man of his word. He's a man of action. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you for your leadership. Thank you for your love for this country and the people of this country. You will make America great again.


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[Assistant] President Donald Trump has been fighting for you. And now it's our turn to fight for him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're just gonna look at it in the terms of, are these realistic or unrealistic? Not do you think it's higher or lower, but could you see this happening or if you think it's way off?


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[Assistant] Whether it's too high or whether it's too low, you're gonna get a sad face, so we'll go happy face, sad face. And just a reminder to the people out there, this is not Mike Lucas' projections, these are Mike Clay's.


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[Assistant] We'll tweet it out. Here's the actual list of all the projections. He did it for the defense, which we'll do later in the week. You can't see it. That's intentional. We made it much bigger, so you can see them on these graphics, Steve. You can drop it. But these are from Mike Clay of ESPN, not me.


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[Assistant] So, we're going to start with the quarterback position.


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[Assistant] And when you take it, tell me if you think this is a realistic projection for one to-


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[Assistant] To Sean Watson for the upcoming 2023 season. 65% completion percentage.


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[Assistant] 3727 yards, 26 touchdowns, 11 touchdowns, nearly 500 yards on the ground, and 4 rushing touchdowns.


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[Assistant] And for the record, Mike Clay projects the Browns in this statistical projection. 9.7 wins, right in the cusp of the playoff.


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[Assistant] No, he does not. He has Nick Chubb, 263 carries, 1,247 rushing yards, nine touchdowns, 30 receptions, 272 reception yards, and one touchdown in the air. Thoughts?


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[Assistant] Alright, let's move on to the receivers here, Steve. We'll start with the Mari Cooper that is 180 in the rundown. 110 targets, 71 receptions, 959 reception yards, and 7 touchdowns for wide receiver 1.


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[Assistant] Next, DPJ, you guys just alluded to him. According to Mike Clay, 70 targets, 45 receptions, just shy of 600 yards.


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[Assistant] Alright, moving on to Elijah Moore, the guy you guys just mentioned, the guy who the Browns brought in to compete for that number two receiving job.


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[Assistant] Similar to DPJ in the projections from Mike Clay, 70 targets, 42 receptions, 578 receiving yards, 3 receiving touchdowns, 5 carries, and 28 rushing yards. I put them all in there. Thoughts?


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[Assistant] Alright, moving on to our next wide receiver on the list. The rookie, Cedric Tillman. 24 targets, 16 receptions, 195 yards.


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[Assistant] We're gonna bring on G's former high school teammate Antonio Hall, who's sitting in the queue laughing at you right now. So we'll bring him in in one sec. But first, the two tight ends, David and Joku up first 70 targets, 51 receptions, 566 receiving yards and five touchdowns.


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[Assistant] We have, we have one more. He was Deshawn's go-to red zone target in Houston, so he threw him on here. Jordan Aikens, 10 catches, 117 yards, and one reception touchdown.


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[Assistant] He did. He, they do work out of McKinley high school, which with the address with G, but boogie, uh, home for the next four weeks, we got to make it down to a game. Check them out at usfl.com $10 for tickets, family friendly fun for everybody. And with that, Antonio Hall, how you doing, sir?


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[Assistant] Let's try to bring him back on. Coach, sorry about that. A system glitch on R and nothing on yours. Uh, appreciate the patience, but you were saying about bringing the hall of fame to Canton.


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[Assistant] Awesome. No, we appreciate Antonio for taking some time out of his day to do that. And G, anytime we get to hear stories from your former teammates about the, uh,


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[Assistant] Gus Johnson says, uh, Maine's on that Burger King wifi, talking about Antonio to start.


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[Assistant] And Gus Johnson says, G Bush looks nervous as hell, they ain't rehearsed this part of the show yet. So.


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[Assistant] There is something for everyone. That's a colleague guarantee. You can learn more at colleaguegolf.com. We got about 20 minutes to wrap up here. Yeah. And Bo, you were asleep. You already mentioned it.


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[Assistant] Jason, myself, G, Earl, Anthony was watching something else, but we stayed up to watch the game for Lake It's Nuggets.


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[Assistant] Bam's really undersized for a sec, like he's only 6'9", so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it, it goes against everything I think I believe in in the NBA with Miami needing or wanting to rest. It feels like Boston's quit. Put it in Boston quit last game, and I didn't think they'd quit last game, but I do think after seeing Jason Tatum in the fourth quarter of game six and game seven,


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[Assistant] Are you saying because he only won one, you can't win with him? Like is that-


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[Assistant] Alex became the world's leading 9-11 truther.


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[Assistant] Big shock was Alex having the ear of a president to be. That was the biggest shock.


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[Assistant] Of all the people I've interviewed over 35 years, I can think of a lot of people I would rather.


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[Assistant] Spiraling people I've ever met is the one who's influencing Trump.


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[Assistant] In this article of impeachment, 52 senators have pronounced him not guilty. Donald John Trump, president of the United States.


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[Assistant] I don't think y'all all the way understood the assignment. This is an entire position group. It's deeper than Kevin Stefanski, Bubba Van Troll, Alex Van Pope, and Jim Schwarz.


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[Assistant] I'm looking, I'm looking at Callahan, I'm looking at Stump Mitchell, who I know has a huge impact on this coach and staff. I'm looking at Van Pelt going back to being the quarterback coach where...


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[Assistant] All things considered, and plus we all know football is the one sport where coaching matters the most. So let me get this strong coaching staff and totality first, then I'll build out the rest of my team. If the coaching staff is so strong, how come they've had two losing seasons in a row? It's thing you're in circumstances. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Chengyu.


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[Assistant] And we'll be remembering the great Jim Brown throughout the two hour program today. Of course, he passed late Thursday night at his LA home at 87 years old. One of the greatest, not just running backs of all time, but one of the greatest football players ever to play the sport.


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[Assistant] Dead at the age of 87 and really much of what the Browns fandom is today, you can point back to Jim Brown. Obviously there were other great players that came before him.


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[Assistant] But his popularity came at a time when football was really still in its infancy in the United States, and he really was that true great player for a decade. And we'll, as I said, we'll be remembering his life and his career throughout the program. Uh, welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Bull, good to be with you again. Yeah, it's been a while.


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[Assistant] I know you are. He's coming, he's moving his way to left. Uh, G. Bush actually is emceeing the opening of the High School Football Hall of Fame. This is in Canton, Ohio. I'm not sure if it's affiliated with the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but McNuggets, you said the, uh, the founder of this is going to be in tomorrow on the show.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so you train at the same, uh, high school where G-Boys plays. You guys are connected.


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[Assistant] In that same fraternity, as Jim Brown, as uh, uh, Brown's running back, he's gonna join us, uh, coming up later in the program, the end of the first hour, and he'll give us his remembrances and thoughts. And what Jim Brown meant to him, you know, how he mentored him, what advice he gave to Leroy, that's gonna be an interesting part of the show, coming up in about 45 minutes.


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[Assistant] From right now, and you can see the new little text of the show down at the bottom there. Uh, you can get all your daily updates. Also, we're gonna do, uhm, we're gonna do some viewer comments later, correct?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of you guys have thoughts, remembrances, things that you'd like to share, and we'll get to that. Uh, Bulls Bet!


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[Assistant] All three of their teams are going to be in the span of like five years, essentially.


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[Assistant] I think Oakland, the ship has sailed for pro sports in Oakland. For starters, the city treats the team like crap.


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[Assistant] You know, they just, they, they refused to, uh, help them with, with new stadiums. The Raiders, uh, Vegas made it easy for the Raiders, but, you know, Oakland did nothing to try to keep them. Uh, Golden State jumping across to San Francisco, I mean, that's kind of a no-brainer, which is with the finances. And unlike the other sports, like in baseball and football,


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[Assistant] San Francisco already had their own team. So it was, you know, it was, it was just a little bit different. And what's weird too is,


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[Assistant] Their fans are, uh, are die-hard, very good baseball fans. In the 70s, they were juggernaut in the early 70s with Charlie Finley as their owner.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, let's dive in and obviously, um, you know, we've had a lot of time now to think about it because, uh, he passed, we got news of the passing Friday afternoon. He passed Thursday night.


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[Assistant] Well, my dad, when I, he made this up obviously, but when you're a kid, you want to know everything.


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[Assistant] Why are they the Indians? Why are they the Browns?


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[Assistant] And my, my dad's answer, and by the way, my dad loved Paul Brown and Jim Brown. Jim Brown was his favorite player all time any sport. Paul Brown was his favorite coach all time any sport.


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[Assistant] And he said, well, they're the Browns because of Paul Brown and Jim Brown.


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[Assistant] They're the Browns. Yeah. And I thought, and I thought that was true forever. It made sense. Because he just explained it so succinctly. I'm like, oh, well, they weren't the Browns before that. And he said, they made them the Browns.


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[Assistant] And that really sums it up, Bold. That's why. It really is. When I've worked around the country and I've lived in different areas, I've always fell into pockets of Browns fans because there's a Brownsbackers bar in just about every major city. I would always find it.


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[Assistant] My story is very similar to how you're a Bengals fan, okay? The stories that I would hear would be, well, God.


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[Assistant] The Browns were really good when my dad was young and that was his favorite team so I started rooting for the Browns.


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[Assistant] And so really, Paul Brown was, was huge in all of that. But I think he was the seed. I think the oak tree was Jim. No doubt. I really do. He was, when you look at his stats, and we're going to have this debate later as to whether or not he's the best running back of all time. And obviously,


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[Assistant] If you, if you just watch the film and you see today's backs do so much more in terms of pass catching and everything else.


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[Assistant] But the apples to apples comparison and the number that I always use for everyone is


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[Assistant] Of all the backs, all the great backs, the O.J. Simpsons, the Emmet Smiths, all of them, only one averaged 100 yards per game, which really is the yardstick for a great game.


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[Assistant] He was it. He did it for a career and as many great backs as we've seen. Walter Payton. All of these great backs.


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[Assistant] You can go back and look at the rushing title every year in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And there are a few exceptions, obviously. Uh, I think the year that, uh, uh, the old Rams running back that went over 2000. Eric Dickerson. Eric Dickerson. There are years where you'll find big gaps between one and two.


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[Assistant] He had 677 more yards than Gale Sayers. He damn near doubled Gale Sayers doubles.


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[Assistant] Maybe you can help me on this, McNuggets, because I know you'd find a picture of it on, on, online somewhere. He announced he was coming back.


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[Assistant] And he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated in a Raiders jersey. And I thought, oh my god, is this real?


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[Assistant] And he really was trying to come back. Now, it obviously didn't, didn't make it. You know, in the NFL, you're old at 30 as a running back. And he retired I think at 31.


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[Assistant] But, you know, I mean by then I think he was 47 years old. It was something absurd like that.


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[Assistant] And he was his, there's a, you can find it, there's a picture of Jim Brown on the cover of Sports Illustrated in a Raiders uniform.


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[Assistant] We kind of felt something was close because at the NFL awards in January or February, it was right before the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Joe Thomas was the first player to be announced into the new class at the All Pro Football Hall of Fame. And the way it worked was a great from that organization.


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[Assistant] And Jim was, Jim Brown was in the audience.


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[Assistant] And at that point I thought, uh-oh, they...


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[Assistant] Yeah, something must be, you know, he must be unable to move up there and, and he didn't look well. They showed him a couple of times during the ceremony. He did not look well at all, but I interviewed him two years, two or three years ago. Now I can't remember. It was a couple of years ago.


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[Assistant] And I was, even though he moved slowly, anytime you saw him move, you could tell he walked with the, with the, with the limp and he used a cane.


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[Assistant] But by and large, he was still sharp as a tack. He was telling me details from the championship game, which was, you know, 55 years earlier. And he was remembering specifics and things about his childhood too. And he was just a wealth of information. And now the bull, I feel like,


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[Assistant] You know, every organization has a walking history book.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I, I think for the, for the Browns, we've lost that link to that great history. Yeaah. Now that Jim Brown is gone.


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[Assistant] I think that's a great point, um, because we all remember that guy from our high school, the guy from our graduating class, that whatever he tried, he wasn't just good, he was the best player on the team.


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[Assistant] One of the things that, uh, the Browns sent out on Friday, 32 facts about 32.


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[Assistant] And I read through them and I knew a lot of them. There were some that were surprises to me. But the one that really jumped off the page to me, because I don't even know how you do this, he earned 13 varsity letters.


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[Assistant] He was four years in high school. Right. And there's three seasons.


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[Assistant] If you letter in all four sports or all three, um, seasons for four, that gives you 12 varsity letters. He lettered in football, lacrosse, baseball, basketball, and track.


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[Assistant] He played football and lacrosse in the fall.


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[Assistant] And I remember when I did the interview with him asking him specifically about


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[Assistant] What did you do as a kid, if not this? And he said, listen, I was so into it.


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[Assistant] I built a high jump pit in my backyard so I could practice track and field. And I had asked him, if you had gone into another sport, if you had just decided it was going to be baseball, there was no pro lacrosse, many consider him the greatest lacrosse player ever.


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[Assistant] You know what? It was like the mic drop response. He didn't, he didn't for a second try to say, oh, you know, that's, that's high praise, but there are so many better than me. When he played, he was the gold standard of the sport. And so he said, not only was I playing these sports organized when I was home,


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[Assistant] I was practicing these sports. I was practicing all 10 events of the decathlon because he wanted to be an Olympic decathlete, gold medalist.


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[Assistant] So, Bull, you're absolutely right. He was just that guy that was gifted with unbelievable athleticism and really managed to conquer everything he tried to do in his life.


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[Assistant] And also you have to take into account too, how he ran.


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[Assistant] Jim Brown could do one of three things. I remember my dad telling me this, because I'd never seen him play, I just saw the film, but I said, Dad, what kind of player was he? And he said,


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[Assistant] The most versatile player I'd ever seen. And I said, why? And he said, he could run


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[Assistant] Through you. He could run around you. He could run by you. And he usually did all three.


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[Assistant] every series that he touch the ball. It just, it just would rotate. He would, he would size up the competition and if he thought it was a defensive back that he could drop his shoulder and run over, he would.


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[Assistant] If it was a linebacker who he felt had a bead on him, he'd make a miss. And if it was a, you know, corner or something trying to chase him down, he would just run by him. And it was, it was, when you watch the old films, the thing that immediately stands out is his size, his strength, and his speed.


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[Assistant] He was a punishing running back. The one thing that my dad always used to tell me too is that he said after every play he thought, uh oh, this is it, he's not going to get up this time.


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[Assistant] Because he would be so slow and he would just meander back to the line and he would hold his legs and he would limp and he would walk and it would take forever and he said the ball was snapped and it was like he got hit by lightning.


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[Assistant] Boom, right now. And he was gone, you know, but he said it was all kind of like his, his demeanor was.


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[Assistant] And you know who does that sometimes too is Nick Chubb kind of reminds me of that. Nick can move slowly at times on his way getting up and back to the huddle, but once the ball is snapped, he's all fired. And that's the way Jim Brown ran for his nine years.


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[Assistant] I don't know if there's a goat argument, except for maybe Serena, where there's really like no


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but even since Michael Phelps, his records now are mostly broken.


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[Assistant] To dominate as many different disciplines, because swimming's got so many different races. So Phelps might be in that conversation with Serena, but for a while, and now it's different, but even into the early 80s, that debate was short and sweet.


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[Assistant] Right. O.J. changed it a little bit, I think. Cause there were some that thought at the time that what O.J. was doing was better than what Jim Brown had done. Uhm, but I, I still think that


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[Assistant] You know, he's, there's no clear-cut goat. Some guy could say, you know, one player or another could say this, but he...


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[Assistant] You know, he's even in that conversation, not just the greatest running back, but he's really gotta be considered because when you look at what he did,


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[Assistant] Even though it was a short for nine years, he was the best at that position unquestionably for his entire career.


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[Assistant] He spent most of his post-career in Los Angeles.


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[Assistant] Was he a presence there at all? I mean, I know he started the American and was very big for a long time against gang violence.


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[Assistant] And, and I know probably before you were born, but in the 80s particularly, and even into the 90s when gangs were really, really


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[Assistant] It had a big, it had a big, uh, impact on society at that time. And you know, Cleveland is entrenched in a lot of that history. That meeting happened here. Uh, you saw Carl Stokes name on that list, Muhammad Ali, Lu Alcindor. Like when these, they were giants at the time, they were their sports, their respective sports.


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[Assistant] And they came together for a bigger and common cause, and obviously that kind of propelled him as the civil rights leader that we knew him to be later.


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[Assistant] For me, it was, uh, I've never seen, obviously never seen him play, uh, it was just, I heard stories through my dad. I'll never forget the first time I interviewed him, he was at ESPN, and uhm,


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[Assistant] He was an ESPN watcher. The first thing he said to me, I was going to tell him, Mr. Brown, my dad was a massive fan of yours. You were his favorite player. I couldn't even get that out of my mouth. And he said, and he talked so low and almost in a whisper and he just said, young man,


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[Assistant] I want to thank you for representing Cleveland the way you do. Ah, that's cool. And I was just frozen. I couldn't even, I didn't even get out of my mouth that, oh, you were my dad's favorite player. So we did the interview, cordial goodbyes. I met him sometime later.


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[Assistant] And I said, I'm gonna tell him, I'm gonna make sure I tell him this time, because my dad asked me when I interviewed him, my dad was still alive, he said, did you tell him that I was a big fan of yours? I said, dad.


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[Assistant] He threw me off my game and I never got to, but the second time I did, and every time I would see him after that, he would say, how's dad?


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[Assistant] He just remembered that I had told him that he was a big fan of his. And when I interviewed him a couple of years ago, I told him that my dad had passed.


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[Assistant] He said he was sorry. Wanted to know how old he was. I told him, my dad was born in 1938. I think Jim was born in 37. I think he was born a little before my father.


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[Assistant] For me, it was just that connection. And even though dad was gone, every time I would see him, I would have that connection where I would be able to tell him a story or two that my dad told me about Jim and those great Browns teams. And I think if you go around Cleveland, one of the things that we've really all experienced over the last couple of days,


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[Assistant] Are people telling stories about Jim Brown, watching Jim Brown play?


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[Assistant] I'd love to. Yeah, I would love to. I've probably seen all of them in NFL films that I've watched on Jim Brown. I've seen an incredible amount of his highlights through the years, but I'd love to see what the Browns consider their top five.


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely. This is the most wide-side suite.


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[Assistant] We all have it in us. You've said before, I don't know what your line was, but anything before blah blah blah in sports doesn't count. I don't know what your line was.


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[Assistant] But you know what, the one thing about, about that is, we all tend to be like, we remember our eras, and I love listening to young guys debate, like the goats, and they're like, I'll always interrupt and say, guys, those might be the goats of the last decade, but you do realize that sports started before 2010, but in their minds, they didn't, because they weren't watching.


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[Assistant] But you preface it properly. You say, for me, cause you've said that on the show before. You're like, look, I know there were a lot of greats before that, but there will be, so even the Michael argument, when I would have that argument as a young guy in my, you know, in 1995, 1996,


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[Assistant] My dad and his buddies would hear that and they would look at it and say ain't that cute? Kid doesn't even know about Wilt Chamberlain.


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[Assistant] Hasn't changed a ton in, in philosophy.


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[Assistant] Granted, it's a passing league now. It was once a running league. But the running concepts are similar. And when you watch that clip, that's great today. That's great 1962. That's just greatness. And it does transfer. It really does.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, you can mix in the past to keep him honest, but today it's the other way around. You pass the ball, and to keep him honest, you mix in a few runs. And the sport has definitely changed, but I believe that if you could time shift Jim Brown to a 24 year old this year and put him in the NFL, I think he'd lead the league in rushing. I do. I think he'd be that good.


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[Assistant] You know, you could tell when he's standing there in the uniform too, like, now, you're right. A lot of these guys went home in January and they worked at the drugstore.


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[Assistant] And the training regiments were nowhere near what they are now. They, you know, the teams didn't have these huge workout facilities. They didn't meet in May. They didn't have all these mini camps and all of that. You said goodbye probably with a pack of smokes in your car and drove your car back to Kansas City and you took a job as a substitute teacher for the, you know, for part of the year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they have a lot more things now to keep you healthy and to make you better when you're not and to get you back out on the field. The one thing that is impressive to me too is uhm, my dad used to tell me how, he said, imagine that you're the star of the game every game.


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[Assistant] And the team that you were playing spent six days trying to figure out how to stop you and they still couldn't. He was the focal point of every defensive game plan in every game he ever played in. Yet he still averaged 100 yards.


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[Assistant] I know we have, uhm, we have Leroy coming up in a couple of minutes. Is he on yet?


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[Assistant] What's your remembrance of Jim Brown? I imagine you had a relationship with him as he was always in to watch Cleveland. What can you remember about Jim?


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[Assistant] Leroy, what would, tell us something that would surprise us about Jim Brown the man.


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[Assistant] Leroy, could you imagine the owner of that house seeing somebody, probably for the first time in the entire time he's lived there, swinging a golf club in his front yard, come out the front door to chew him out and it's Jim Brown. Nevermind.


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[Assistant] That is pretty good. And who's going to argue with him? I'm not going to make him take the penalty stroke.


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[Assistant] I want the helmet at midfield with the 32. I don't know if the league is going to allow that.