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[Assistant] Well, let me ask you, let me ask you this. This is, this kind of ties back into it. So, you said, has it been a disaster? Well, is, you say that the money part is really like the big part of it, right?


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[Assistant] Kyle Murray, Wilson Wilson, Lamar, Justin Herbert, and Joe Burrow. Of those five people I just named, only one of them played up to their contract this season, and that's Lamar. That's fine. The rest of them is terrible, but we're not, why are we not saying that? Why is that not a disaster? It is.


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[Assistant] If they, if they could get out of the Watson deal with that.


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[Assistant] And I understand, I understand that part. And I said, if you're saying off of that alone, yes, I agree. That's what I said. I agree with that.


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[Assistant] Hold on, real quick, I need to talk to Jay. Is it fair for me to say that at the beginning of this season, the offense was struggling because it was still new?


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[Assistant] But, but let me ask you this. I can't use the, it's new excuse. But as we know, it's obviously been a struggle for Kevin and Deshawn to get on the same plate. That I would agree. As far as play call and go. But with Joe, Joe is more like, I'ma just run your stuff.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I would agree with that. So now, let me ask you again. Okay. Do you have, can I say that they struggled in the first games of the season offensively? That's a fact. You did. Look at the, yeaah.


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[Assistant] My, my, all I'ma say is, the Browns won 11-6 this season.


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[Assistant] But this is what gets me, this is what gets me right now. If Deshaun Watson would have been playing in that Texas game, would they have lost like that? Or would they have won?


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[Assistant] That's it. So if we get banned or suspended, it's the team that should go down for it. And not to say this, there's only been one person in my life that I've played with that I've actually seen fail a test.


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[Assistant] But this man was so wise that he, he appealed it and beat the NFL. He's the only person that's beat the NFL in a PED test. And I can't believe, changed the whole system because he won. Unbelievable. And, and, and, and, and give me the camera.


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[Assistant] Anyways, you've been remarkable. Listen, I love what the Cavs have been doing. Outsider, you messing me up not getting 15 points last night. I love what the Cavs have been doing. I mean listen, you think about


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[Assistant] Where this team was, it was at the point trade, we gotta trade Mitchell.


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[Assistant] Donovan's like, I don't know what's going on. We had the JB should be fired talks.


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[Assistant] And it seems to me, we got guys that's starters that's not even in the line of, uh, Darius, Evan. You know, guys that we thought we needed to win games and they haven't been in the lineup. And for a while it was shaky, but this team has figured out.


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[Assistant] How to play off of each other and you gotta give them a ton of credit for that because that's hard to do on the fly, especially in with chaos going on with all of this disinterest and all of these stories being written about stuff. It's so hard to lock in and just go to work every day.


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[Assistant] Well, do they win a playoff season? I mean, what? Ultimately, I think I need to see how this team responds when the other two come back. That's gonna be the thing.


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[Assistant] In all seriousness, when Garland and Mobley come back, they both coming off the bench.


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[Assistant] Yes, and he will play. Mcnuggets, is it asinine for them to come off the bench? Who, Mobley? Mobley or Garland?


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[Assistant] This is the first Friday in four months that we're really like, we don't have that big thing to come. We're just kind of sitting here thinking about the other team.


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[Assistant] You know what? You're gonna laugh at this bull. You'll understand it. What I'm most excited about right now in the sports world, we're within a month of pictures and catchers. That's right.


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[Assistant] Well then something happened to him because uhm, I was checking our system of traffic cameras, there's nothing.


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[Assistant] But there, I don't know, maybe there was something that wasn't being reported because I check into our network every once in a while and it will show red, it will show orange, you know, and I didn't see anything. Which was stunning to me. Even downtown there was nothing.


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[Assistant] The cars today will do that. Let me give you a quick recommendation on the snowblower. I ditched mine a couple years ago. You're going to laugh at this. And I did too when someone recommended it to me. It's called the Snow Joe.


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[Assistant] It's battery operated, it's a shovel, it's light as hell, and it pushes snow.


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[Assistant] As good as some cheap, gas-powered, uh, snowblowers. And to give you an idea, I used mine last, probably last March. And I just do it for my sidewalks. Because I get the driveway pushed. But I like these sidewalks, they're wide, I've got a lot of snow to push.


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[Assistant] It's just been hanging there with the battery on it in the garage for 10 months.


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[Assistant] Because I saw the video and I'm like, there's no way that I read the comments and everyone's like, unbelievable, unbelievable, great, great, great. So I bought one and I've recommended it to a number of people and they love it.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Wow, that's, okay, I'm not, I'm not,


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[Assistant] Apparently it does. At least now. Tim Couchy on the show. This will be his last appearance this football season. He'll of course join us as needed if we need him for around the draft or the combine. And then of course he'll rejoin us at the start of next football season.


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[Assistant] We're told. So that show will continue, that 30 minute show on KYC will continue now all the way through 2024 on Fridays at 1230. Today we're going to have fun. We all voted, when I say all, I mean everybody but G, voted.


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[Assistant] Tallyed up the votes, and we will at 1230. If you're a Browns fan, you're gonna wanna see this. You can agree with it, you can disagree with it.


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[Assistant] At 1230, we're gonna count down the best 12 plays from the Browns' 2023 season. 10 to 1. See if it matches up with your list. That, so much more over the next 90 minutes. I see the elephant coming in the room now. Uh, in the meantime, good morning and hello to, uh, to Mikey McDonough.


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[Assistant] I hope so. There'll be a lot of betting this weekend. A lot of folks try to get in on that playoff action. You good man?


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[Assistant] I don't think it should be, no. I don't think it should be. Is it in a way if the Browns are handing him the keys? Is it, to me it feels like they're doubling down on a decision that already has been terrible. It's only 40% through.


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[Assistant] But this, this, we haven't seen anything in this.


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[Assistant] Two years that's made us think that he's definitively going to be week in and week out the Deshaun that was at his best in Houston. So is this compounding a potential mistake by now saying to him, okay, you pick it.


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[Assistant] I think, correct me if I'm wrong guys, but to me it seems like the mood of the panel is that is the way it's gonna go down and may the football gods help us because he worked his way out of Houston


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[Assistant] Because he was being vocal in who he wanted as his head coach, and he didn't get his way. So if this goes sideways,


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[Assistant] Yet they decided to partner up with him. Not only partner up with him, gave him the keys. Here you go. So I think you guys are exactly right. I think it feels to me like


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[Assistant] Deshaun isn't happy with the direction of where things were going.


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[Assistant] I don't think he feels comfortable running that. And there is some value by the way in making your quarterback as comfortable as you can.


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[Assistant] However, I-I liken it to raising kids. You want your kids to be happy.


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[Assistant] But if your kid wants to eat cotton candy five times a day, that's why you're there.


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[Assistant] You're there to say, no, no, no, that's not what we're gonna do. We're gonna eat three squares and maybe you'll get a nice dessert after one of them. And you're gonna be fine. And I just think in this case, it feels like...


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[Assistant] This wasn't a Kevin Stefanski move. We said that earlier this week. It feels like...


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[Assistant] He's going to have the loudest voice in the room. Let me ask you guys this. Kevin Stefanski puts out a name. Andrew Berry puts out a name. And Deshaun Watson puts out a name. How do you break that tie?


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[Assistant] Well, I know, listen, he's probably going to be the ultimate driver with this, but my question here for this exercise is if all three of these guys are in the room.


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[Assistant] And they're talking, and they've interviewed everybody, and it's time to take a show of hands. And Stefanski stands up and says, you know what, I want Daryl Bevel.


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[Assistant] And Deshawn Watson stands up and says, no, no, no, no, no, no, I need Eric, be enemy.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm the low man on the total poll. I, and I've got to work with this guy. There's, it's automatically going to be contentious because I didn't want to work with you. I'm being told by my boss who will ultimately hold me responsible if it doesn't work that now I've got to work side by side with this guy.


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[Assistant] It was widely written that Deshaun wants biannami and they're not gonna, and then boom, he asked for a trade.


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[Assistant] Boy, he's bounced around a lot, hasn't he? Yea, he has. He has.


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[Assistant] The problem is, and this is what the organization is setting itself up for, if it doesn't go the way we think it should go, then that is, we are closer to the end of the Deshaun Watson experiment than any of us realize if what we see next year isn't closer to what we saw in December


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[Assistant] Really anxious to see guys if they're going to take his play calling duties away. And we talked about this maybe yesterday because Jimmy and I had a conversation about this earlier this week.


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[Assistant] And when I asked Jimmy on the air on Channel 3, do you think that this is leaning towards him losing his play calling duties?


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[Assistant] Initially he was like, you know, I don't know. I haven't heard much about that. Yesterday he was pretty definitive that he's going to continue calling plays. I don't know which way the wind is blowing, but I know fans are watching very carefully.


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[Assistant] If you take his play calling duties away from him now,


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[Assistant] After coming off the kind of season that he just came off and you let him retain those duties last season, coming off a season prior where there were all kinds of question marks about play calling.


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[Assistant] Fans are gonna look at that and say, well, that's odd timing.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you a question, Jay, because we did discuss this earlier this week and I did some poking around yesterday because I wanted to find out


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[Assistant] Cause I really, honestly, I don't know what standard protocol is in the NFL. I found out from asking around, there's really no standard protocol. Each organization does it differently. Yesterday, we heard the news that Mike Tomlin indeed is coming back and he's going to get his extension.


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[Assistant] I've always felt maybe it's just because it's that way in college. In college, you never let a head coach go into his last season. It kills recruiting.


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[Assistant] They don't need to recruit here, but they do need to keep the momentum and inertia going in the same direction in the locker room.


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[Assistant] I find it odd that coming off an 11-win miraculous season in which whether or not he wins it or not, he's widely being mentioned as the Coach of the Year.


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[Assistant] Is because there's some backroom discussions going on. Kevin, we're going to take the play calling away from you. Kevin may be looking at this saying, I'm not good with that. Or maybe the organization saying, if he's not a good soldier and he fights this in any way, we're going to let him go into his last year of the contract without the safety net of the extension.


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[Assistant] If there's no extension in the next month, it's egregious and malpractice in my view. Agreed. What are you doing? This guy...


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[Assistant] And at 11 and 6, and a trip to the playoffs with smoke and mirrors, we're waiting.


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[Assistant] This season like this seems crazy. Yeah, I'm with you and I can't imagine that the fan base is sitting back saying what's really crazy is the apologist fans. Hey, they gotta go. They've gotta go. There's a lot of a lot of them. We don't care. Okay, I guarantee you. I agree that maybe change was in order, but is


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[Assistant] My nephew just completed his freshman season at Holy Cross.


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[Assistant] He chose Holy Cross. He has zero regrets. Loves the academic experience. He's brilliant. But more importantly, he played, he played at a high level and it is still possible, even though it's only happened I think once, to go from the NFL from Holy Cross. Uhm, so,


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[Assistant] If it makes any difference, if you want to talk more about it, give me a call off the air, I'll give you more details, but your son's gonna love it when he goes and visits, and you will too.


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[Assistant] I mean, after looking at our wide receiver play this year, like, it's not like these guys were tearing it up and there's just no room for them. My God, give them a look, call them up, throw them a couple of passes and see what he can do.


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[Assistant] Cause if he does, it doesn't make our defense look like they were made out of wet paper.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I think the question was can, can CJ Stroud do that to Baltimore's defense? Because I think they can win. I just don't see them, I don't see him putting up 31 points on the Baltimore defense.


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[Assistant] CJ and the Texans offense go to Baltimore and score three points. I think at that point, you're looking at your Brown's defense saying, they couldn't, you couldn't stop them, period.


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[Assistant] In an honest, in an honest moment.


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[Assistant] Would come out and, and maybe not to the media, but tell friends, yeah, I shouldn't have made that deal. Or do you think that he in his heart says, well, this deal is going to take us to a super.


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[Assistant] It is going to be a fantastic game. I'll pick a Buffalo too because the Kansas City.


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[Assistant] Did you guys see the meme about Josh Allen and his career?


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[Assistant] How he had zero scholarship offers coming out of high school. He went to JuCo and played one season.


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[Assistant] And sent coaches 1000 different coaches. He mailed them their link with his huddle.


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[Assistant] And by the way, it's not like he was 6'1 and grew into this guy. He was that guy coming out of high school.


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[Assistant] Is that athleticism and his size? I know one call, he got one callback and the only reason that Wyoming saw him, they went to one of his Juco games and were scouting another player on the Juco team that


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[Assistant] Josh Allen played for, and they said, wow, that kid's got a lot of tools. Cause he was rough, there's no question.


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[Assistant] Something to the effect of, here's the guy that's gonna lead our program for the next four years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you flash enough, you're gonna be looked at. Let me ask this. So I think...


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[Assistant] Everybody but Bull thinks it's gonna be Baltimore. You've got Houston. Uhm, I think Buffalo.


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[Assistant] I'm picking the bills, but listen, it wouldn't surprise me if the Chiefs make the Super Bowl. I don't think they're gonna win it, I just don't. Well, if they could get there, why couldn't they win it? I just think that San Francisco is, to me, San Francisco is the team that's most equipped to win the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Name him that's universally loved. Right. Who is it?


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[Assistant] And they wanna be universally loved. Yes. And it's that, and I've had famous people tell me, it took me a long time before I realized, oh, it's not gonna happen. I'm not gonna be, I mean look at LeBron!


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[Assistant] Up until he was a high school senior and nobody, there was no knock on LeBron.


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[Assistant] What's interesting is we have the same thing going on in the AFC as we do the NFC.


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[Assistant] The number one seed is gonna play a team that...


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[Assistant] I agree with that. Is San Francisco the betting favorite right now to win the Super Bowl or is it Baltimore?


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[Assistant] I think Howard Stern is good at them, but his aren't Reeds.


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[Assistant] Kool-Aid or no? Man, this is tough. Does Kool-Aid change something? I don't even know.


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[Assistant] Have, have they taken a big enough step forward? I think, look, if they played the Knicks again in the first round, they might beat the Knicks. They might. Also, I mean, right now they're supposed to, you know, they're four and five. But this is what's so complicated. I don't think they're getting past Philly, Boston, or Milwaukee in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Especially when you go one and three against the Knicks and you're done.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, it would, because let's face it, how many times has a 5 through 8 seed made the finals?


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[Assistant] I like your suggestion on the baseball schedule. I really do. Makes perfect sense.


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[Assistant] Everybody else has their own. I mean, make everything, I like that. What about realignment?


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[Assistant] Or maybe the East never plays the West, and the West never plays the East.


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[Assistant] But I think that's a different conversation. We were talking specifically about coach. The reference is, well, Joe Burrow said he wanted the wide receiver. That's different. That's a personal relationship and an on field relationship that if you had in college and it worked, yeah, you go to the general manager, the front office and say, hey, for what it's worth. And it was the right call. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.


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[Assistant] And I've heard a lot of my colleagues do it and it makes my skin crawl to the point where I'll say something to them. My pet peeve in life.


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[Assistant] Is not even asking for that. I would never ask for that. But accepting it. I don't.


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[Assistant] If someone sees me in line and says, hey, you know, we've got something. Nope, I'm good. So you're a better man than I am. I'm sorry, but you judged the book by an improper cover. I would never do that. I totally would.


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[Assistant] The drama you get with him is a lot and it ends up ultimately being too much. But the football product always improves. And that's all I care about. I care about the football product on the field and what they've done in the portal and what they've done with getting some kids and this move and the athletic director. To me, the move I most love is the athletic director.


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[Assistant] Things are gonna move and shake in Columbus. It's all about that. And I love that. Ross Bjork's the man, I'm telling you. Yeah, I had someone else tell me yesterday that dealt with them at A&M. They were like, you are gonna love what this guy does for Ohio State.


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[Assistant] You know, I thought Van Pelt had done a tremendous job since he had been here with Stefanski, you know, especially, you know, talk about the revolving door quarterback, what he's able to do a year ago, what he's able to do this year with, you know, four or five different starting guys in there, getting guys prepared and winning football game. You know, it's not easy to get that many quarterbacks prepared.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I think Deshawn should have say, you know, I don't think he should have all the say. By any means, I think it's ultimately up to the, uh, to the head coach because he has to work with him on a daily basis preparing game plans and practice schedules and all those kind of things. So, uh, you know, I think, uh, but I do think he should have some input.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, he took the team to the playoff twice already. He's won a playoff game. He, this year, I thought he did an unbelievable coaching job. Uh, you know, we talked about all the injuries they've had on the offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] Uhm, uh, you know, personally, I don't think I've been a part of it, but obviously, you know, I've seen it around the league and, you know, it always seems like it's, uhm, it's uncomfortable. It's an uncomfortable situation because, you know, they're, they're, they clash.


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[Assistant] Uh, valued at the NFL level as well because it's, uh, it's hard to do. You know, it's, it's not just, you know, looking at a page and dialing things up.


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[Assistant] You know, that is a tough one, you know, and the first thing that jumps out in my mind is it goes through Nick Chubb when he's healthy. Uh, I think there are, there are run first team that they're a play really good defense run to football.


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[Assistant] If not the best running back in the league, he's top two or three for sure. And, uh, you know, I think when you have a guy like that have to run through him, but you know, you're also paying the Sean a lot of money too. So, uh, you know, you want to showcase his skill sets as well. And like I said, I think the Sean is very good at the play action pass and, and throwing the football down the field. And then certainly that comes off of a good run game. So the play action is more effective to the defense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, I just think, you know, they had a lot of injuries, you know, on the offensive line. Obviously Chubb was out. And then, you know, with, uh, you know, with Deshaun, you're paying $230 million and it's a quarterback driven league.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and you know, you feel like you have to get big plays in the passing game. I understand that. You know, I understand why they want to, you know, get Deshaun, you know, comfortable within the system and kind of showcase his skill sets and get him to do everything that he's capable of doing with it.


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[Assistant] He's going to create space and, uh, against man coverage as well. So, you know, I think it's obvious you go wide receiver and try to build this thing and.


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[Assistant] You know, like we said, you know, they're going to, you know, they're transitioning to more of a, you know, throwing, uh, offense with Deshaun and, you know, getting him back on the field after the shoulder surgery and hopefully he's healthy, but you got to get the weapons. You know, obviously the joku had a career year, you're set it tight in, you got a really strong offensive line once everybody's back and healthy.


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[Assistant] Uh, they, they really had a great game plan for our defense. You know, that's, that's the first, uh, maybe the first game I can remember all season long where the defense really just looked, uh, kind of lost. And then the offense, Houston was kind of doing whatever they want and getting a lot of big plays in the passing game. Like I said, CJ, uh, played unbelievable. And then, uh, you know, the turnovers with Joe.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, he had made, uh, you know, quite a few this year, but you know, the back to back, obviously pick sixes are going to kill you in any football game. And the wheels just kind of fell off in that one.


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[Assistant] I would probably have to go with the Myles Garrett blocking the field goal. That's an unbelievably athletic play for a guy that size to be able to jump over the line and block the field. He played, that was, that was one of the best defensive games I've seen.


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[Assistant] Anyone played in the last several years in that game, he just dominated and controlled that whole game and changed the outcome of that football game. So I would probably go with Miles on the top plate.


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[Assistant] I've talked about this. When bowl and Jay start going at it, the worst thing you could do is add to it because now it's just a steel cage match. It's a Royal Rumble and everyone's trying to be heard and everyone's just throwing each other over the top rope.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sure. They're the hottest team in the league right now. When you win 14 or 15, you're playing like this. Are they the best team in the league? No, they're not better than Boston. I still think people want to poo poo Milwaukee. You do that at your own risk. That's a championship caliber team that added a dynamite player in Dane.


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[Assistant] We go back to the NFL conversation where I said the Chiefs were bored all year and everyone talked me out of it by the end. Look where the Chiefs are. They're in the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] The bucks, no everyone else here, I'm blaming everybody else, I can't take responsibility for my own actions. It's the same thing with the bucks, like, they're gonna be there at the end.


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[Assistant] The West Denver still loaded. So until the Cavs win more than one playoff game, you can't call them the best team in the league. But.


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[Assistant] They're playing great. They're playing exactly how they wanted to play. This is looking exactly how they wanted it to look. They've got the shooting that they pursued in the offseason with Struz and Yang and those guys. Dean Wade has put it together this year after struggling miserably last year in the second half.


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[Assistant] Uh, now they got everybody healthy. They got the two towers inside defensively.


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[Assistant] Donovan leading it all. That's why they brought, that's why they made the trade. You know, I wrote that for today. That's why, this is why they made that trade was to bring together a young, talented team that didn't know how to win and didn't know how to get where they wanted to go. It was his job to do that. He's done it very, very well.


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[Assistant] They've played great, they're hot, enjoy it, enjoy the ride, but you can't call them the best team in the league right now.


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[Assistant] And I'm telling you right now, because I've been poking around on this for the last couple of weeks, I've been reaching out to opposing teams that I've got relationships with and say like, how would you guard these guys? If you, if you were playing the Cavs in a postseason series, how would you guard them? And a couple of the answers that came back were,


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[Assistant] We don't trust a Coro yet in a postseason series. Like, you're gonna shrink off Isaac. The same way the Knicks played the Cavs last year is how teams are gonna defend them again. Isaac has to prove it. He's shooting 39% now on catch and threes, on catch and shoot threes. Don't matter. Teams don't trust. It's a different game in the postseason. The pressure goes up.


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[Assistant] The stress level goes up in each round you advance, it gets higher and higher and higher and teams don't believe in him yet. And they're going to shrink off him and force him to make those shots. So, well, I would say that would probably be the same thing for evermogli there. The different, yes, the difference is,


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[Assistant] Mowgli's only going to shoot a couple of those, more than likely, and he's viewed as a better all-around player than Isaac Okoro in the NBA.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Okoro is going to stand in the corner and don't move and wait for the ball. So this, but he's coming off the bench.


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[Assistant] O'carl? Yeaah. And, and Sam's another one. You know, I asked you last night.


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[Assistant] Is there room in your rotation for Sam when everybody's healthy and there's no...


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[Assistant] Uh, minutes restrictions. And grudgingly, JB's like, I can't sit here and tell you he hasn't earned it. Like, he's earned it. He doesn't like playing 10. JB doesn't like playing 10. He ideally likes to play 9, which is obvious.


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[Assistant] But he said we've got 10 guys who have earned it, so we're gonna play 10 guys. Now that's the regular season. In the postseason...


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[Assistant] You're really going to play 10, and I think there's a spot for Sam, and he, I mean, he's shooting it unbo-, every time he's out there, he's making two and three threes. It's crazy. You can't keep him off the floor, but you have to be strategic.


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[Assistant] He's gonna have to guard. That's what I was about to ask, how is he defensive? And he's deficient, but when you've got...


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[Assistant] If you get beat off the dribble, if you're an on-ball defender, and you know you're gonna get beat, at least funnel him the right way. Funnel him the way that the defense is set up, and funnel him into those guys the right way, and then it's up to Evan and Jared to clean it up on the back end.


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[Assistant] Those guys, I mean Dean Wade, the reason they moved on from Kevin Love, right around this time last year, was because of the faith that they had in Dean Wade, and Dean fell off a cliff.


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[Assistant] Uh, Okoro feels in need because of how ferocious he is defensively on the perimeter. He's the best on ball defender.


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[Assistant] Levert is gonna play, he's hot and cold usually, he's very streaky, but his spot is secure. So they just need, you know, I don't know that they, you can always get better, yes, you can always improve. But I think that this is probably


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[Assistant] It's close. I think this is about as good as they can play because if Garland gets hot, he's just gonna take the shots that other guys are right now making.


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[Assistant] Two things on that. One, the Cavs are very comfortable with Darius in an off ball roll. They are adamant that he will be fine playing without the ball in his hands. He did it at times when Colin was here.


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[Assistant] So they don't have any concerns about that. I know others do, but internally they don't have any concerns about that. And secondly, I think the thing that would unlock them and take them to another level is the Evan Mobley component. That's the next one, yea. Yea, if he can consistently make threes. I wrote about it the other night and people went crazy.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, guys, JB just said it. Like, I don't know why you're mad at me. JB's the one who said it, that he needs to take these threes. And obviously he needs to make them too.


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[Assistant] Uh, but that, those two things could take this even higher. I'm telling you, Mobly...


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[Assistant] Some people seem to be souring on him a little bit that he's not as good as everyone says. I'm telling you right now, if he develops a three point consistent shot, he doesn't have to shoot five, six, seven, eight a night.


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[Assistant] 3, 4. If he's averaging 3.5, 3.8, and I said this before, go back and look at Draymond. Pink Draymond, not now. Look at Prime Draymond.


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[Assistant] In 2015, 2016, 2017 on those Warriors teams.


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[Assistant] He was shooting a pretty good clip. The three point shot. If Evan develops that, he will be an MVP candidate for a very long time in the NBA. That's the only thing that's missing.


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[Assistant] I want him to take between 120 and 130 the rest of the season.


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[Assistant] Just let it go. When I was talking to JB about it before I wrote that column and JB said a lot of times he's processing the next play when he's got the ball and by the time it processes I should shoot this, he's out of rhythm or the defense is caught up to him and he just has to be quicker with it. He just has to be catch it and go.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't like disagreeing with Brad Doherty, who's better at basketball than I would ever be in my lifetime. He knows what he's talking about. But just watching how the game is played today, I think he does need to develop a three point. He needs to develop, he certainly needs to at least develop more consistency around the rim. His midrange is even shaky at times. But I believe,


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[Assistant] To be a top player in this league, the way the game is played today, the way bigs are expected to play the game today.


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[Assistant] He does need to develop that three point shot in order to be.


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[Assistant] I'm talking the elite of the elite, top five franchise pillar in the NBA who's consistently in the running for MVP talk. Now Yannis is not that. Yannis, Yannis, Yannis. He's giving Yannis credit.


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[Assistant] Yadis ain't a consistent three point shooter, but he is so big and strong and massive. And Evan, Evan's never gonna be that physically. I don't think.


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[Assistant] But there's been a progression to Giannis from when he was 19, building to where he is. Evan looks a lot at 22 like he did at 19. I don't know that it's going to come for him. I think he's always going to be a little bit smaller in frame.


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[Assistant] The videos of him pre-draft were incredible. Yea, like two dribbles. I've never seen anything like it. And the Cavs missed badly on Giannis. That was the Anthony Bennett draft. And I talked to people who looked at Giannis and said, I mean, maybe he's a second round pick, but I wouldn't go any higher than that.


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[Assistant] That's a bad draft. I mean Yana saved it, but that was a bad draft. That was one of the worst drafts ever.


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[Assistant] And grow and learn from it and you hope that that's what happened last year.


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[Assistant] A chance to fail and learn from it because he's had plenty of opportunities in the postseason and he has to deliver. Like he, he, he hits to the point, this is on him. He's got to deliver. And if this team fails in the playoffs this year, nobody's going to blame Evan and nobody's going to blame Darius and nobody's going to blame Jarrett. It's on Donovan. He knows it, but the other guys, Evan, Darius,


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[Assistant] Even a guy like Dean. Isaac Okoro. These guys that got there for the first time.


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[Assistant] And went through it, you have to give them an opportunity to fail and learn from that and come back and be better. And if they're not this year, a lot of people are getting fired and traded. If they flame out again, people are getting fired and traded. But you have to give them that opportunity to learn and grow and put to practice what they learned last year.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure Donovan was joking. Sam, why would Sam Merrill? I was at the game last night.


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[Assistant] Oh well, I thought, I was not in the locker room last night. When Don talked about it, I was in the workroom writing.


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[Assistant] But I took what Donovan said as a joke, but maybe- No, no, but pull up- If Meryl, if Meryl really passed on the opportunity, that's shocking. Like, I don't-


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[Assistant] Well, if, if it's, if Sam really did, that's a bad decision.


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[Assistant] I would be surprised if the league invited them, quite frankly. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's where I was going with it.


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[Assistant] But the three, the, the stars won't do the dunk contest anymore. The dunk contest. I mean, I know you love Mac, but it, yeah.


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[Assistant] But the bigger name players still enjoy doing the three point shootout. So it would be really unusual for the league to bring in this guy that is really an unknown who has only really, he's been in the Cavs rotation since the end of December really, and that's it.


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[Assistant] It's, it would be an odd fit for the league to invite him in the first place. If they did invite him, he'd be crazy not to go. But it's, it's more, that event is more for the established


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[Assistant] Elite shooters in the game, guys who have been doing it a little bit longer.


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[Assistant] I've been to so many slam dunk contests, I can't tell you how horrible it is to attend. It's so boring. I went to one too. It's so boring. Really? It's awful. The three point shootout is the best part.


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[Assistant] It's different when you do it, especially the first time. It's, it's not like a normal game where you're in the rhythm of the game. You're standing one spot, you're reaching off a rack and you got this.


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[Assistant] Everyone's watching you, like it's, it's, a lot of guys sort of choke that first time they go through it because it's so different than an actual game environment. But I'd like to see him take his chance, like I think he'd hold his own against those guys if he got into a rhythm, uh, maybe eventually, maybe, you know, if he can stick.


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[Assistant] I was talking to Mike Brown about it last night, and you know,


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[Assistant] The Kings had Sam in camp last year. He was one of their last camp cuts and Mike loved him.


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[Assistant] They can, it depends on where they start and where their hot racks are. And they change it so much. Isn't there one rack that's all money ball? They've got one rack that's all money balls now. And I mean, you clean up on that one, you're in good shape. I'd give them a chance. Any of those guys can win. Let me see the list. I don't know how to make Don the favorite. Let me see the list.


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[Assistant] If he came out wearing a Sam Merrill jersey, random NBA fans would be like, who the hell?


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[Assistant] Uh, the Cavs have kicked the tires on Boyon a couple times, but the price is too high, and it's not, he's not coming here. So, but in the past, in past years, they've looked at him too.


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[Assistant] No. No. Who are they going to acquire before Thursday that they can put into their rotation right now? They're already trying to fit 10 into 9, and I don't see anybody on that list that's better, a better fit than what they have currently. That's, that's why.


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[Assistant] Well, that's the other part of it. You can go Akuro. If you don't, if you're not planning on re-signing Akuro, then you can dangle him now because he's, he's up after this year qualifying offer next year.


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[Assistant] But I don't, I think he's done enough. Depend on the piece. He's improved enough as a three point shooter.


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[Assistant] Your, your, your window is right now. You gotta win right now. Yeaah. And I think what he provides, what he gives you is more than what you're gonna get back for him. Yes, even on them two prices list.


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[Assistant] Well, they've got 3 million right now under the tax line.


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[Assistant] You don't want to go into the tax now. Like that's the worst thing. You're, they're not going to. You're not going to go over. I wrote that you don't want to go over the tax by 10 bucks or 100 bucks or, you know, in this case, a million, you know, if you're going to go into the tax.


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[Assistant] Go into the tax. Start the repeat offender clock, do it over the summer, get a big time impact player, like that sort of thing. You don't go over to the tax at the deadline by a couple of million to add a guy who may or may not fit in your rotation in May and June. That doesn't make any sense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I said earlier, you had to give that an opportunity to fail and learn from it. They failed last year, miserably. It was terrible. Alright, so- Now you gotta give them a chance to learn from it.


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[Assistant] Their starting lineup is their lineup for the playoffs. Like that's, those five guys are going to carry the bulk of the minutes. When you get in the playoffs,


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[Assistant] And the deeper you get the playoffs, the tighter your rotation gets. In the first round, he's not going to play 10. You play nine, you trust eight.


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[Assistant] Ideally, you get to the second round, the third round, you're playing eight, trust in seven. You get to the finals, you might be playing seven, trust in six.


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[Assistant] So, and, and by that, like the seventh guy or the, the eighth guy or whatever is playing eight minutes. You know, that end of the first quarter, start of the second quarter type thing. And that's really, that might be it unless somebody gets into foul trouble. And, and when you're talking about all these, it just,


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[Assistant] Earl, when you were asking that, like, death lineup was stuck in my head. I felt like we were headed toward the death lineup conversation.


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[Assistant] I don't want to hear anybody talk about death lineup outside of Golden State. That team had some of the best shooters in the history of the game. It is disrespectful to any other one to try and come up with a death lineup because that is...


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[Assistant] Beholding to Golden State and what that era was because they did things, I remember when people were saying, and I might have been one of them saying, you ain't gonna win nothing as a jump shooting team in the NBA, you gotta be able to play inside, you gotta be able to do this and that.


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[Assistant] And they rebuilt basketball with the way that that team shot the ball. There's no such thing as a, as another death lineup. Now the Cavs can have a really good lineup and they can play versatile and they can play four out, one in. They, I mean, if, if Evan gets hot shooting threes, you could go with a five out lineup.


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[Assistant] And the Cavs had that in their championship year when Channing was at the center.


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[Assistant] They're playing five on the perimeter. And it seems, I mean, Bud...


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[Assistant] Mike Budenholzer was in near tears on the podium after games in the Atlanta series, like,


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[Assistant] Anybody got any ideas what to do? I don't know what to do with this team. The Cavs aren't at that level yet, but they've definitely got some terrific shootings.


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[Assistant] The calves play hard every single night. And not a lot of teams do that. Very few teams do that.


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[Assistant] And the Cavs from a couple years ago, that's how before Donovan got here, I think that's how they won a lot of the close games. They just outplayed other teams. They just played harder than other teams. I don't know necessarily the legs were shot by the playoffs last year. I just think that they were overwhelmed by the Knicks. It was a bad matchup and they were overwhelmed by the moment.


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[Assistant] Well the nice, the luxury of playing 10 is you can really manage the minutes. Donovan's probably a tick or two higher than


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[Assistant] He's still playing, he's not playing as many minutes as last year, but only by a fraction. Last year he played the most minutes of his career, more than he ever did in Utah. And there was some grumbles about he was playing too much and playing too many minutes. His minutes this year are very, very close to where they were last year. He could probably stand to come down another tick or two, but everyone else is right around that 33 minute marker. So no one's really,


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[Assistant] because when you can run really manage everybody's down to where they should


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[Assistant] Yes, you can bring his minutes down, but also, using the regular season to build good habits for the postseason, Donovan and Darius have to play together. They gotta figure that out.


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[Assistant] I tend to agree with, like, he's not built like those guys, he's not as big as those guys, and the injury risk was real with Deshaun.


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[Assistant] You know, going into last year, the Browns wanted to try and minimize some of the exposure on Deshaun and some of the hits that he was taking. And sure enough, he gets hit, he gets hit and he gets hurt this year. So I would tend, they're similar in what they can do because they're mobile quarterbacks. There's that dual threat component to both of them.


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[Assistant] I think it's really more the shotgun component with Ken and operating out of the shotgun that they liked as well. If you're gonna make me choose between the two, I'm gonna go Cam.


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[Assistant] Because Josh seems to just put his head down and put his shoulder down and run it more than I think the Browns be comfortable with. And I know Cam did too, but it feels like it's a bigger part of the Bill's offense. And maybe I'm misremembering if I am, tell me.


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[Assistant] Didn't it feel like, I mean the numbers are what the numbers are, it feels like there's more called runs with Josh than there was with Cam.


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[Assistant] Being at Ken's press conference yesterday was like watching C-SPAN.


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[Assistant] But one of the interesting things that he said was choosing the right spot. It was nothing. He'll fit in perfectly. He said nothing. But the one thing that I thought was interesting was kind of what you were saying. If it's first and 10,


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[Assistant] Man, why are you lowering your shoulder and taking a hit? Like, throw it away.


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[Assistant] Like don't take the hit on first and ten. If it's third and two or third and three, we'll do what we have to do to keep the chains moving. But just being a little bit more strategic with


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[Assistant] Where you're at on the field, what's the downing distance, where are we with the chains in terms of when are you taking hits and when can you just throw it away, get rid of it and live to see another day.


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[Assistant] I agree with that. The only thing I would add to that is play calling seems to be awfully important to the head coaches and offensive coordinators who


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[Assistant] Pitch choose jobs solely on whether or not they're going to be able to call plays or not.


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[Assistant] But I do agree with the larger, with the, that's why I kind of roll my eyes when people get hung up on, well he threw the ball, I can't, like the Seattle game where your boy Phillip bounces it off a helmet, and like I can't believe they threw it there, or even, I'd even go so far as to say,


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[Assistant] Before you pick up tendencies of what the other team's doing.


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[Assistant] So halftime adjustments are a real thing. Yeah, you almost made me cuss. Yes. But it feels like it's a crutch that people, if they don't like the coach, they're just going to fall back on, well he didn't make any halftime adjustments, and those people couldn't describe a halftime adjustment, they would slap them in the face. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] I also wonder why it takes until halftime. If you're getting your ass beat, why you gotta wait til halftime to change it? It's a fair question. It's a fair question.


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[Assistant] One of the funniest things, I'm gonna do a story on this one of these days. I think I've joked with you about it. We're sitting in the press box.


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[Assistant] And it's halftime and all these assistant coaches go sprinting down the hall, run in the elevator and go down. You take three bites of a hot dog.


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[Assistant] I was surprised. They kept going on tight shots on Kyle during the NFC title game when his play call, like you could see the whole play sheet.


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[Assistant] He got a problem. And I was surprised. I thought that the...


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying. The teams should have an agreement with the, with the cameras. You can't go tight on the coach when his play sheet is that evident, but also they don't do a great job.


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[Assistant] Jason, what were you thinking? Well the Debo one scares me because all you need is one. That's what scares me about that too, yea. He just needs to pop one, end around or something, and that's off the table.


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[Assistant] So I, I, that one makes me nervous. You could probably convince me to go the over on Pacheco. I just at first glance, I didn't do my homework. I didn't study this. I just, I think the 49ers are so good defensively and Mahomes is gonna control that game. I don't know if there's gonna be a lot of opportunities for him. That's, that was my initial reaction.


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[Assistant] I, I think it's going to be a one score game pretty much throughout. I think it's going to be a great game. I, I, I don't know. What do you think? I think it's going to be...


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[Assistant] I mean, if you guys, you guys have studied this more than I have, if you guys all feel strongly about the Pacheco over, then I'll concede. But I just...


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[Assistant] Well, you all gotta, uh, put your money where your mouth is and bet that ticket.


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[Assistant] I was reading about him this morning and there was a banquet.


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[Assistant] I can't remember now, it might have been the Heisman banquet. There was a banquet dinner for the entire team that was invited to. And you had to sleep in the basement? Well they had, they basically told them you can eat, but you gotta leave before dessert. All the black players have to leave before... Guys, that wasn't that long ago in our country. Yea, it really wasn't. When you think about it, like...


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[Assistant] I was during our, you know, it was during our parents lifetime.


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[Assistant] And to, we got a long ways to go, but it's, it's, it's, it's unbelievable the history that we come from and the way that we treated people not that long ago.


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[Assistant] That's just, the older I get, the more I think I appreciate.


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[Assistant] Things like this and the conversations like this. So I can't, I can't imagine somebody telling G and you and Earl hurry up and eat that steak cause you gotta go.


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[Assistant] Yes. I would guess a thousand, but probably not much more than that.


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[Assistant] You are. My parents, my mom was born in 56. My dad was born in, that's a whole other story.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, the first part, that, that, that's uh, I don't understand that. I don't understand that.


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[Assistant] Because you know what it is, when a guy's here, he's the best and he's the smartest, and no one can do it better, and as soon as he leaves, he's trash and didn't need him anyway. That's the typical mindset. He literally...


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[Assistant] After the suspension? He makes non-basketball moves far too often. I remember in 2016 when he kicked Steven Adams in the nuts.


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[Assistant] That was scary. But I asked, I think I asked LeBron in that, cause we were in Toronto during that time at the conference finals. I'm like, you guys wear a cup? He goes, no, there ain't no need. Like, that is not a normal basketball, like that reaction that he had throwing his leg out like that's not a normal reaction.


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[Assistant] Because they tune in today, I'm like, Gee Bush gonna be in a, uh, he gonna be in a spacesuit today.


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[Assistant] He doesn't wear any of his teams that he plays for.


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[Assistant] Uhm, with Stump Mitchell and I kinda tweeted it out and we were talking about it and then that's kinda how Mike was like, alright, well let's talk about this tomorrow.


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[Assistant] I wanna set this up, I'ma use my answer by questioning Tyrus Powell. Now.


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[Assistant] Yes. Now, Tybus, uh, you played for, you played for Urban Mild, right? I did. Okay, uh, you know of Ryan Gay.


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[Assistant] Atmosphere The Dictator. It inspires what?


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[Assistant] Now listen, now the dictator has the national championship trophy. And I know the jury is wondering where I'm going with this. We'll tie it back in as I always do. Now he has the dictator. Get to your point, counsel. The national championship trophy. Now here's the thing, Joe Flacco understands and is adored and played very well.


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[Assistant] You bring him back into this fold because I believe fear is a greater motivator than love.


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[Assistant] We don't not rob banks because we love the bank tellers. We don't rob banks because you can go to jail for 25 to life. Deshaun Watson has been giving the keys to the city, but I believe that he needs some healthy dose of fear behind him.


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[Assistant] He needs to lock in. In the middle aspects of Deshaun Watson is, is where I think he's going wrong. He needs to have somebody behind him that A, he knows the fans love.


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[Assistant] B knows he can throw the football. C knows and understands that if he...


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[Assistant] I'm about to get this Buckeye card. Matter of fact, I could make all the throws around here. Now, Tyves, you, in a case, when you, you, you cool with Sherm, you cool with a lot of your DBS, right?


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[Assistant] By the way, you made a great point. That's a hell of a point. Even if, even if the coordinator comes in here and does a good job, Kevin Stefanski is default the coordinator forever.


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[Assistant] I told Eric you should have sat right there in Kansas City. Hey, Damon Dash always said this. Hey man, better get up under your umbrella. You don't want to catch a, you don't want to go catch a break. Get under his umbrella, stand next to this money. Now that's true. I am not listening. But at some point,


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[Assistant] Always going to be a flashpoint with us four. Always. Yes. You know. Now shout out to Josh Cribbs. I mean, Josh Cribbs was the reason where I'm at. He just couldn't do it. I love, I love contracts where you can't get. Josh Cribbs was, so he couldn't do it.


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[Assistant] The internet is on fire right now. You can feel the little buzz. Donovan Mitchell is playing out his mind.


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[Assistant] If they offered you a minor league baseball contract today, what would you tell WKYC?


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[Assistant] I lost, I lost $2,000 on FanDude cause I just picked it, cause I picked the bills to win. Oh, that's, that's, that's bad.


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[Assistant] Like he is helping one of our rivals win. Here's what I have a problem with her about. I got a problem.


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[Assistant] That, okay, I understand that you got a lot of investments, but you spent, you spent a quarter of a billion dollars


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[Assistant] Take them off. Take them off. You cannot go to Milwaukee and say, we lining and dining for 300 million and be like, Hey, can we get some syntax on what you guys are doing?


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[Assistant] It's a reminder that you are indeedly blessed and that if you have a certain amount of money that is not out of your kindness or your heart, you are mandated to do that. That's a responsibility by the way. And the more you have by the way,


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[Assistant] You got a number one quarterback, you got a transfer that's a senior. So obviously if you really want to do it right, you would like to shirk those first two dudes.


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[Assistant] Why don't y'all have signing bonuses? Like if you tell me at NIL, I say, yo, you want to come here? I'm going to give you another $100,000 just to stay if you come back next year.


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[Assistant] Henderson is back. He ain't gonna get all them carries. No, they'll be splitting carries and that's fine.


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[Assistant] I will say this, Tyvis, this class is more suited to what Ohio State wants to do.


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[Assistant] You got a running quarterback. He's 6'5", 240. You can now incorporate all the rest of the stuff. You can go back to some Braxton Miller, JT Barrett, different type stuff. Uh, even Terrell Pryor. Run the quarterback, quarterback power, all those things. You get your running backs. You got two of them, a couple of them now. You'd then be able to run more traditional stuff and you're not going to have the,


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[Assistant] We gotta get to it. I wanna just come out and say it. Uh, the news has hit.


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[Assistant] Now here's the thing, have they ever approached you at Maryland?


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[Assistant] You are a big, you are a big, uh, you know, you know guy. Philanthropist. Yeaah. So have they approached you and be like, listen, we got this NIL deals, we need a quarterback in here to compete with Ohio State in Michigan. What you doing?


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know, in a championship game, you know, people talk, not just a game, but a wild card game. They talked about not having the impact that you want. When I was growing up playing defense,


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[Assistant] Like, you had to, like, they're like, oh no, you gotta deliver hands, you gotta take it on, and definitely you wasn't allowed running up field. You just playing the pass.


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[Assistant] Do defense means have run responsibility? Cause I see a lot of guys just swimming, just moving inside it, no gap integrity. Like is that the new wave or what are we doing now?


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[Assistant] There's this thing, you know, obviously we got Miles Garry here. And uhm, you can give us some insight on this. He seems to always start...


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[Assistant] Off well. Seems to start off with, you know, 10, 11, 12, 13 sacks. Uh, the last couple of years has not had, uh, the, the production in the second half of the season. I think the last eight games he had like one or sack or something.


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[Assistant] Take it from two fat guys. You know you gain weight when your lower back start aching. And you be like, is my lower back aching and I'm walking in the grocery store?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean we went to Seattle and Chicago a couple of summers ago for a few days, but we haven't gone away in the winter since like 2019. Oh, enjoy it. And this is the longest vacation I'm taking since my honeymoon in 2010. No kidding. Guys, I'm very excited.


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[Assistant] They have three kids, two girls and a boy. So my son will stay with their boy who's younger, who's like seven. And the two girls will stay together. And there we go. We got a giant pool. We're right on the bay. It's going to be amazing. You'll have a blast.


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[Assistant] It's the second time I've done it with another family. We traveled. There's a family that used to live here, uh, but they moved out to Seattle a few years ago that we're very, my wife and I are very close with and they're like family to us. So I enjoy it, but I would only travel with like friends that I'm really tight with and I know they're similar type of people to me.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I talked about it with Steve or I talked about it with Mike, but I said, you know, unfortunately it's not the case, but I had said a few weeks ago, if the Browns make the Superbowl, you know, we, we got to go. I said, let's get an Airbnb and we'll all stay there. That would have been fun. That would have been a blast.


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[Assistant] Tom Pelicero had that first. Mary Case even put that in the tweet.


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[Assistant] I don't know, all I'll say about that is the Chargers had their worst season. I'm not, I'm not saying it's his fault necessarily, they had their worst season. And the Cowboys had their best, Dak Prescott had his best season this year. Mike McCarthy calls the plays.


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[Assistant] Did he when, when, uh. I'm not sure he did when Kalamorra was there. Kelly Moore was the play caller. I have a vague connection to Kalamorra.


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[Assistant] Overall, when he was there, yes, everything fell apart on that team at the end of the year. I'm blaming Sirianni for that. I know he's been able to blame the coaches. He threw Brian Johnson right under the bus.


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[Assistant] And if you do trust him, then you've got to allow him to make that decision. There are coaches who have called plays, and at, sometimes they change their mind, and then they let an assistant call plays, and maybe that will happen. But I think he's earned the right, in my opinion, if I were Jimmy Haslam, I would say, hey Kevin, sign.


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[Assistant] But I've heard it from enough people that I trust very much that I think it's pretty safe to say that if he loses his play calling, it was not his call. So I hope that doesn't happen. But no, I don't feel confident that it's not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] And even before Herbert got hurt, Mr. C, he was, Herbert was having his worst year. And they were having their worst year as an offense since Herbert's been there.


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[Assistant] But the idea that the owner would say, Hey, you've lost your play calling duties. You've got to bring in an OC that. That to me is a real slap on the credentials. That's just, if I'm the, if I'm Kevin Stefanski, I'm like,


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[Assistant] We just had a season where if I don't win coach of the year, I'm certainly in the conversation for it.


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[Assistant] Uh, what I would do is hire a young offensive coordinator. I would keep calling plays if I were Stefanski. Yes. I'd bring the guy along, see how this year goes, and maybe as time goes by, consider turning the reins over to this young guy. All for that. As he's part of my program, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] I feel the same way. If I were Kevin, that's just my nature.


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[Assistant] Do you have to give up the whole organization to get him? Do you have to let him be GM? Because at this point I'd never let him be GM.


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[Assistant] That's exactly right. And you know, I will say this, you're right. I agree with your general point. Yeah, he's more for the younger players, whether it's Ford or, you know, who somebody didn't make draft this year, but you never know, right? Like the guardians hire a new hitting coach. Yeah, he's going to spend more time with their young, unproven hitters. Doesn't mean he can't


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[Assistant] Give a tidbit to Jose Ramirez that might help him. Of course. You know, Deuce Staley, one thing he was really good at as a back was a pass catcher. He was a big time pass catcher in the running back. That's the one thing in Nick Chubb's game that could probably use some improvement. Maybe he could help him with that aspect of his game. Who knows?


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[Assistant] There's no reason as a, a veteran coach and a veteran player who played at a pretty high level in the, in the NFL for a long time, uh, he could certainly help all the young backs on the team.


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[Assistant] But gee, the situation though is, as Jason said, guys around the league know his reputation anyway.


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[Assistant] My guess is that even without Stump saying what he said, that the powers that be already know that, all that stuff.


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[Assistant] By the way, that was, every time I hear Trent Richardson, I smile because one of my biggest arguments, one of my biggest wins ever on the radio was...


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[Assistant] Two other players that had good NFL careers, but I think if they'd played later...


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[Assistant] He has the, maybe I'm wrong, maybe the numbers don't back this up, but to me, I think of him as the athleticism of Lamar Jackson with the arm of Josh Allen. He could throw the ball 80 yards. Yea, I mean it was crazy. He was just the freakiest of freaks.


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[Assistant] He is a lock, but he shouldn't be. Now, that's not to say Miles Garrett shouldn't win, but you know, G talks about this all the time.


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[Assistant] Uh, now, I think you'd argue against it in this case, because it's for your guy, but, you argue about narratives. Mmhm, yeaah. And I hate this.


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[Assistant] I don't know that there are many if any facts that back that up.


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[Assistant] Most of the people when you say, well, why shouldn't Madness Garrett win, uh, uh, Defensive Player of the Year? Well, he's the best!


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[Assistant] Okay, he might be the most physically talented. Did he have the best season? Give me some facts to back up.


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[Assistant] I hate it, and writers allow their per- Listen, I've been thinking about this because I've been thinking about it with the Baseball Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I find Kurt Schilling to be one of the most deplorable, disgusting, despicable human beings.


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[Assistant] I would think about what my, like, hey, I like the Bengals, I like the Browns, I can't let those, I have to consciously think, I can't let those get in my way of making it honest. And it's hard to do, but you gotta do it, and too many guys don't.


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[Assistant] Playing well when it mattered the most at the end of the season, so I gotta say, well, Max Crosby didn't, didn't have games that mattered. And still played, and still played extremely well. Yes, but Miles Garrett had a lot more pressure on him.


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[Assistant] Right. I don't, listen, we've already, yes, we, it shouldn't just be about sacks of course, but I don't think that means sacks have no value.


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[Assistant] I can't. There's no excuse for the writers that vote on this not being able to do the work. Like, in baseball, you can't watch 162 games of every team. No. That's impossible. But in football, you can do it. You can watch every guy that's legitimately in the mix.


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[Assistant] So wait, but look, January throw out. How many games has he played? Well, we'll just add them together. So 57 and a half the first two months and then 31 the


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[Assistant] So he's got like, he's got about 25% more the last three months of the season, DJ Watt. Garrett's got about 40% less.


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[Assistant] So up a little, slightly better. More? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Again, every, every player, every other player we mentioned is equal or better


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[Assistant] Most of them better. Some were significantly better. I think Trey Hendrickson was about equal.


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[Assistant] The numbers are wild. And it should go blue because you play more games in October, November, December, January than you do in September, October. You do.


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[Assistant] Doesn't do anything but either stay the same or go up. I would love to know if that's the same thing with the pressures too.


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[Assistant] Mike, yes. What was Micah Parson's sack numbers by month just this year? Do you have that?


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[Assistant] I'm just curious if he had, because he got double team even more than Miles Garrett is here, so I'm curious if that affected him.


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[Assistant] Do you believe that by the way? Cause I don't believe that.


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[Assistant] Who do we blame for his, he's made no progress as a player. Is that his fault? Is it the coach's fault?


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[Assistant] No, you gotta blend the two. So how do you kinda find that mix? It's not easy.


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[Assistant] More on that coming up. G. Bush. President of the Kool-Aid Mafia here. We're going to tell you exactly why the Cleveland Browns are going to clinch a playoff spot this week against the Texans.


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[Assistant] He's gonna give you one. Just, we all come to the conclusion. He's gonna give you a strip sack or an interception, but you can see what he gives you when he's playing well. He gives you comeback ability. He gives you points on the board. I think Flaccovelli comes in and he does so for three, but they don't need to do it to win.


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[Assistant] Surprise contributor is no other than D.


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[Assistant] DTR will come in in this game and the Browns can't run the football. So what do you have to do? I'm all for the trickery now. You can't run. DTR gives you the best opportunity to run some trick plays, to run the ball, and he can throw the ball. That's, that's important when you're looking at trick plays. You need the run and pass option to trick people. DTR is neat.


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[Assistant] This is, we wanted the playoffs right here. This is a playoff game. You better come out here and get it done, bro. We not worried about none of that extra trap. There's no such thing as a trap. The door is wide open. It's somebody standing in it, getting between where you want to go and what you need to do. So you need to go through the door, through that man to get what he's going.


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[Assistant] Hey, I do no trap game. Get it done, Browns. Not to mention Houston was favored when this, when this week started.


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[Assistant] I would be flabbergasted if Joe Flacco didn't play well against the Houston Texans. He's already thrown for them 300 yards. I predicted three touchdowns the first game. He needs to get it done. And guess what? It's playoffs, Joe.


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[Assistant] Let's get it done. And I got flabbergasted. I didn't expect him to get it done. The one thing you don't want is a flabbergasted G Bush. No, no. I've seen it. It's not pretty. Especially on Twitter. What do you got for kids?


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[Assistant] Uh, listen, I had to go home and marinate this over this overnight and I looked at it and I said, you know, look at who CJ Stroud has done and who he's played. He does not have a signature win like Deshaun Watson has going into.


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[Assistant] But that's not the Ratbirds. He, we had a comeback win on the road against one of the best teams in the league and Deshaun Watson won 14 for 14 down the back stretch. I think CJ Stroud has a lot of upside, but if you ask me today, I got one game to play and both guys are healthy. I'm taking Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, we get to this headline, and I'll tell you what, I said 300 last week, I said it was 300 the middle of the week, I'm gonna say 300 again. Flackevely, uh, eats up the Texans like barbecue chicken. Brown's coach playoff berth with a 27-13 win.


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[Assistant] Listen, I'm not as confident as you are. I think the Browns are gonna win. I have respect for the Texans. I think they're a pretty good team. I think the fact that they have a rookie coach and rookie quarterback does matter. Sure. I think that is a big deal. I don't think even big college games prepare you for the intensity of the playoffs. But,


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[Assistant] I mean, the Texas could win this game. Of course they could win this game. Uh, certainly. And it's not, and you know, it's funny. It's not like the Browns have a lot of guys with a ton of playoff experience. No, we don't. Now, the most important position you got a lot at quarterback.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. Amari Cooper has some playoff experience, certainly, but a lot of, most of the bronze skill position guys don't have, have either none or, or very little. Those that have some.


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[Assistant] I mean, I, I get, it could be more than that, possibly, it depends, I mean, if-


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[Assistant] You know, we're all prisoner of the moment, right? I mean, there's been other guys who have had good rookie seasons and went backwards in year two and were never quite as good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right now, I mean, if you would have asked this question six weeks ago, I would have stuck with CJ Stroud. Of course. But right now, yeah, I mean, I would definitely take Joe Flacco. There's, there's no debate that you would take CJ Stroud or Joe Flacco going forward. But for right now, of course you'd take Flacco in my mind.


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[Assistant] Because I got one guy who not only has a ton of playoff experience,


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[Assistant] And has won a million games on the road, not literally, but you know, he's won a lot of games on the road. But also he's playing very well. Now, you could argue Stroud playing a little better than Flacco, cause he hasn't, he doesn't turn the ball over.


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[Assistant] That's impressive. It is impressive. Now, the only good defense he played all year


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[Assistant] Was the Ravens. I don't know, is that true? I mean, they only played four teams that made the playoffs. They played the Browns, but he didn't play that game. Right. They played the, I'm sorry, the Steelers, he played against the Steelers defense, which is not bad.


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[Assistant] It is who it is. The schedule is what it is. He did a great job. I don't say it to knock him. I'm just saying he hasn't been tested very often against a defense the caliber of the Browns. It's clear this would be the best defense we've seen all year.


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[Assistant] There's no doubt, we all agree, he's a special rookie. He's not just a rookie. However, there's a reason why rookies playing in their first NFL playoff game have a terrible record. You're right. Some of, a lot of it is because they're rookies. Now part of it is they've often


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[Assistant] I mean, they're good, they're better than we thought they were, but they've lost their best receiver. I mean, Nico Collins is a really good player, but they're not loaded with uh, skilled position talent. They're not terrible, but they're not loaded with skilled position talent.


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[Assistant] I would do that if I'm the, to me, my focus is on Nico Collins. I'm not going to get killed by Dalton Schultz. Singletary is a perfectly fine running back, but he's not a special player. So that's the guy I'm most worried about.


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[Assistant] Mike, let me ask you this. Shoot. How, were, were all, how many of his playoff losses were to Raffles, Berger, Manning, and Brady? Were they all?


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[Assistant] His only chance to get in the Hall of Fame, and it's a slim chance, is if they win the Super Bowl. Otherwise, he's got zero chance.


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[Assistant] I don't know that there's any, uh, personally, even if he wins the Super Bowl, I would not vote for him for the Hall of Fame. I don't, I, I don't think you should go to the Hall of Fame just because you won two Super Bowls, because he hasn't been a, let's be honest, he hasn't been a Hall of Fame player. No, but there are other guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, since Tank Del got hurt, uh, and, and what would you do if you were the Browns, defensively? Would you, would you put, you know, Denzel Ward on him and say just, hey, this is your job? Or what, what would you do? What do you think the best idea is for the Browns, defensively, on stopping Nico Collins?


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[Assistant] You know, I'm curious Cecil, uh, I don't think, we actually, I don't think we've talked about this yet this week, but, uh, Mike, Mikey McNuggets, our producer and I were talking over the weekend, and he asked me if I thought if Jim Schwartz was going to interview for a job,


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[Assistant] Is not only been requested by one team, he's been requested by two teams already. Now I don't know when they're gonna talk to him.


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[Assistant] But he's 36. He was basically a quality, he was basically a gopher four years ago as a quality control coach. He's only been a legitimate assistant coach for four years and an offensive coordinator for one year and two teams are talking to him potentially about a head coaching job. If I'm him.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's gotta be in my mind, and how much would you be worried about that being a distraction for him and the Texas?


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[Assistant] See, so just to stay on that note for a minute, I've always felt as a guy who never played at any kind of high level, uh, that from an outsider's perspective, I always thought that the way the league goes about coaching hires is wrong. That it shouldn't be about, well this guy did a good job,


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[Assistant] With an offense or defense last year, it should be, to me, all about


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[Assistant] How is this guy as a leader of men? You just mentioned your head coach there. Clearly, he is a great leader of men. And I think that, more than his ability to call defense or any of this other stuff, is why he has had success. And along with Kevin Stefanski, who I believe is another leader of men,


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[Assistant] Is why they're the top two candidates for coach of the year. We've seen that with Mike Tomlin, you know, and I think, I think the league all too often wants the hot coordinator instead of the guy who's the leader of men. Am I right about this or, or, or not?


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[Assistant] Get a vote. You know guys, we know we're gonna take it seriously. You can't vote for your, I think you'd have to say you can't vote for your teammate. Otherwise it would, you know.


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[Assistant] That would have to be a caveat of it, I think, but you could, you could make it work. And I think Cecil's right. I think there are some things that the players would miss and there are some things that the media misses. I think it's a fair point. It'd be a good balance to see if they actually do it.


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[Assistant] Wow, that's barely down. Now it's down a decent amount from the two years before that. Now the COVID year was the highest ever.


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[Assistant] Because the defense, there was no noise, there was no crowd noise to mess up the offense.


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[Assistant] Overall, the offensive numbers in terms of points were not down a significant amount. No, one tenth of one point. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'll give you that. Here we go. So I'm gonna start with 2016. Okay.


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[Assistant] Last year 21-9, this year 21-8.


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[Assistant] It's down, it's down one and a half, this year is one and a half point per game less than the highest it's been since 2016.


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[Assistant] Last year, it was .12, so it's actually slightly down. About the same. Yeah. You know, one one thousandth of a percentage down. Yeah. Kick returns and punt returns exactly the same this year.


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[Assistant] So it's not a significant change. It's, I will even admit it seems like I would have guessed scoring would have been more down than it was. Yeah, I would have too. And at one point this year it was. It did pick up later in the year.


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[Assistant] Yes. Now here's the thing. The one thing about when you win as a defensive team, I think, these days, it's harder to stay good.


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[Assistant] Mike, it's interesting that the line just went to three, because I looked at the Fandu line earlier, it was still two and a half. The fact that I was waiting for it to go to three, because I saw some other sports books, it did go to three, which means it's got to be a, when you move a point spread from two and a half to three,


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[Assistant] The two biggest moves of a point spread are two and a half to three and three to three and a half. So if you move a point spread when, when, when a place like FanDuel where a lot of people bet.


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[Assistant] I would say more. That's interesting. It was a good case for him. I would argue it's Ogbo.


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[Assistant] Because I, we've talked about it. The special part of the Browns is their defense.


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[Assistant] And Elijah Moore is an okay player, and I know he had a good game before he got hurt, but his biggest game was when Amari Cooper didn't play. Right. I mean,


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[Assistant] I want Elijah Moore back. I do, I don't think he's not important.


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[Assistant] But I think what makes the Browns special is their defense. What makes their defense, their defense special is their ability to cover and their ability to rush the passer. And having Agbo, who's been really good when he's been out there as their third pass rusher,


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[Assistant] I think he's huge to have all hands on deck on the outside.


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[Assistant] I guess, I guess those guys would be five and six.


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[Assistant] So, so then it would be, uh, Delpit 5, Thornhill 6, Beer Strong 7, and Dilman 8, I guess. That's the way I would, yea.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean that's been there, that's been, why receiver's been there Achilles heel? Uh, I don't think there's any doubt about it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Without him, where would we be? It feels like a free agent move because they gave up almost nothing for him. They fleeced the Cowboys. Listen, he's not as good as AJ Brown or Tyree Kill, we understand that. No, but I'll take him. But for those guys, you have to give up a pun?


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[Assistant] It's not just that. It's that every year is a new year and you could be good at something one year doesn't mean it's gonna work for you the next year. You know, I'm not gonna say who it was, but I was listening to another member of the Cleveland media yesterday who said, oh, I've heard the Texans are just happy to be there. Okay. That makes no sense. Crazy. No team.


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[Assistant] Exactly. You think when the season started with Aaron Rodgers, the Jets didn't think they were going to the playoffs? You don't think the Giants thought they were going to the playoffs? You don't think the Vikings thought they were going to the playoffs?


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[Assistant] You know, I know there's some people that might think, well, I don't know what we're talking about more yesterday, so I'll just say it briefly, but like some people are thinking, wow, if the Browns are good this year, how good can they be with Watson and Chubb? You don't know if things are going to, you know, the AFC might not be down. What if the Chiefs are better next year? What if Mahomes and Burrow and all those guys are playing better next year? You never know.


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[Assistant] Now, it's better than David Bell, but his first two years in the league combined, he had 70 catches,


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's not bad, but it's not like... No, it's not, it's not, you know, eye-popping. No, it's an, he's averaged in his first two years 460 yards and one and a half touchdowns. That's, you know, that's not great, but... Well, I'm guessing his impact on the offense went up when Tank went out.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, but he got off to a good start, then he got hurt for a little bit. He's also missed time. He, he missed two games as a rookie, missed seven, seven last year, actually. And so, actually- Those numbers aren't bad, then, for a season and a half.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't agree with that. I mean, Josh Gordon at 1700 yards with Trish. I think Nico calls to me. He's having a great year. I don't look at him as an elite receiver. I look at him as a really good receiver.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we'll see next year. I don't know. And I don't think they don't have no rice. Nobody impresses me for that bowl. He's better than anybody they had last year. Yeah, Rice is a good receiver. I mean, they're still all number two to Travis Kelsey.


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[Assistant] The elite of the elite make guys better. And I think it's the same thing at wide receiver.


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[Assistant] That just means you play them tougher. It all goes hand in hand, but there are, like, the great receivers, even with mid-quarterbacks, are gonna put up pretty big numbers.


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[Assistant] By the way, that Josh Gordon season has gotta be the most


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[Assistant] Incredible season by a wide receiver and maybe the history of football.


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[Assistant] The combination of his stupidity and the league rules stupidity destroyed his career, but man.


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[Assistant] Right, and who were the quarterbacks? Give us the quarterbacks that year. Oh, I have to, give me a sec, that's gonna take a little- Oh, I actually-


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[Assistant] Well, I don't think that's fair to say, I mean, Barnwell was pointing to a lot more things than just the sack number.


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[Assistant] But I didn't realize Michael Parsons this year has gotten double-teamed even more than Miles Garrett. Which is a change. Which, yes, cause Miles Garrett's always been the most double-teamed guy and that would, and part of his probably cause the Browns defense has been better.


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[Assistant] If Micah Parsons or TJ Watt, as much as we can't stand the Steelers, if one of those guys wins, how am I going to be outraged about it? I think Miles Garrett's got as good a case as anybody, but I think from Barnwell's article, I thought Micah Parsons, especially of the other two, has a very strong case as well.


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[Assistant] Watt ended with 19, Hendrickson and Allen had 17 and a half, Khalil maxed 17.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna speak for you guys. I'm not watching Michael Parsons every week. I'm not watching T.J. Watt every week. I don't have as good a feel. I know they're great players. I don't have as good a feel for those guys as I do for Miles Garrett.


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[Assistant] Listen, there's bad members of the media just like there's bad everything else, right? I'm sure there are probably plenty of voters or some voters that let personality and all that stuff get in the way. Alright, there's guys I sure and you shouldn't do that. I agree. But players would do the same thing.


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[Assistant] And many of the writers I told that have votes in New York and here take it very seriously. I'm not saying all


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[Assistant] If I'm Ohio State, I'm calling him now and fire, I'm saying, we'll fire Ryan Day this afternoon, come be our head coach.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, I think that's off. Obviously, I would have, I'd have him about 10 points higher. I'd have him in the high 70s, maybe even around 80. Well, just look at the rank alone. Yeah, I would, I mean, he's probably like.


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[Assistant] I still think that's low. I think he should be in the, uh, 10- That's correct.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he didn't change the name. Yeaah, but I think that's appropriate for Greg Newsom. You guys? I think it's about the same.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I know that's the fake one. We know that's the fake one. Because I know, I looked at it last week. Oh, you did? And, and he was. I never look at PFS. He was, I know he was ahead of Baker. But. And he was ahead of, uh.


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[Assistant] Because I, maybe I looked at flat club two weeks ago and not last week. Maybe he increased his spots.


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[Assistant] It's very likely that you could have both. You could have, you won because of Flacco, you won with Flacco, or you won in spite of Flacco. I like that! I like that!


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[Assistant] And you could only vote for one of these two guys. Yea, I'm voting for Miles. See, I would vote for Stefanski. I would vote, I would vote for...


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[Assistant] Geez. They're playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers. By the way, guys that were drafted before, quarterbacks that were drafted before Brock Purdy last year, Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ritter, Malik Willis, Matt Corral, Bailey Zappi, Sam Howell. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Guys, give me, what's the worst, what's worse here? I'll give you three, three different examples. Taking, uh, taking Bryce Young over CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold going before Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] In fairness to him, this has nothing to do with Stroud, but in fairness to Bryce Young, he's got nothing around him.


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[Assistant] Listen, C.J. Stroud is 99% gonna have a better career than Bryce Young. He can't do 100%.


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[Assistant] Oh, you're going to get, yea, you're going to get crushed.


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[Assistant] Right. But what's weird is, and I don't know this for a fact, but it just seems that way. I'll try to find out. It seems like there was more scoring later in the year when there were more backup quarterbacks. I think you're right. I do.


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[Assistant] She went viral. By the way, speaking of 90s rappers, have you got, the only time I ever watched commercials is during football games, otherwise I'd never watch a commercial. Right. Have you seen this kid in play? Are we in a commercial? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There are some really good


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[Assistant] I said that Joe Flacco's performance, I put an asterisk by it.