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[Assistant] It sure looks like it's going to. And the reason it hasn't happened is because you're playing each other so much.


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[Assistant] I don't know that if he's had a coming of age moment, it was that last drive, 46 seconds, they gotta go. He made precision throws. I think they only needed three or four plays to get there.


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[Assistant] They did get a penalty, precision throws to throw into the end zone. It was just like, who am I watching here?


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[Assistant] Having Heisman Candidate, uh, Candidate seat. 40 years. And then you go into the NFL and you just...


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[Assistant] He's, they're doing it all on his arm. It's all on his shoulder. It's fun to watch. It's fun to watch. Okay, uh, McNuggets, you want to read?


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[Assistant] After setting the new record for a low in Vegas on a college football game line, they've set another new record this week.


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[Assistant] Last week, Iowa and Northwestern was 29 and a half. And they were way under, right? Way under. And this week it's Rutgers and Iowa and it's now 28 and a half.


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[Assistant] I laughed so hard because he's just being Ted again. The first time I saw him, it was I think the Notre Dame game, he had the sunglasses on and it was just so funny. Didn't he wear the sunglasses?


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[Assistant] That is pretty funny. I wonder what that two game parlay would pay. Take the under and Ohio State to cover. I wonder what that would pay.


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[Assistant] I think his answer was right though. Like, I do think Kareem Hunt is the guy that, I know you say he's got three meals.


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[Assistant] Yeah, me too. I had high hopes for him as well. I thought he was going to be a tremendous back. I want to see, I'm with you, I want to see what Pierre Strong can do when he is the feature back for one game. Because, well, what's he averaging? 10 yards of carry for his career?


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[Assistant] Listen, those numbers, they look like, those numbers right there look like the numbers for the Ohio State feature back in a Michigan game. Right. 34 carries, 152 yards. I'll take those numbers. So if you can extrapolate those out, and you can get four and a half, a guy can get four and a half yards of carry, you're moving the sticks all day long.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the carries come in situations where you don't need them to pass block. I'm just, I'm just...


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[Assistant] It's a valid point and it explains why he would be off the field on third down of passing situations. But on first and 10, if you're going to divvy out carries, let's give some to Pierre Strong and see what he can do.


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[Assistant] The Bronx see him every day in practice. Maybe that is a deficiency of his and they know it.


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[Assistant] You know what I go back to with Pierre Strong? I don't know what- Bill gave up on him. Early.


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[Assistant] And look, all that does is that explains why you wouldn't have him on the field in third and long. If you're moving, if you're staying on schedule, first and ten, second and seven, third and four, he doesn't have to come off the field.


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[Assistant] So. As much as we kicked his tires. Yeaah. And beat him up, uh, they're gonna miss him.


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[Assistant] I know. It's so hard being a Browns fan because you just get punched with one flukey thing after another. I mean, if you put them all together,


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[Assistant] And what's crazy about all of this, of all the units, if you go back 25 years, this Brown's defense is by far the single most polished accomplished unit that they've had. That's one of the cornerstones you need to win a championship.


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[Assistant] Obviously getting the planets to align where you have all of the pieces in your building at once is very difficult. But when you start losing key pieces to injury, it just feels like you take one step forward and you come to back.


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[Assistant] He's barely played. Boy, you know what determines a critical injury is what you have coming on the backside of it. I just.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Tive is sort of, uhm, it was a hypothesis. He didn't have any inside information. I said to me, it's almost like a guy finally got to his


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[Assistant] Tipping point where he'd heard enough, cause the criticism was coming from all corners. I mean it was a deluge on Jed Wills. And I had speculated that maybe he just said, you know what?


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[Assistant] This is my family's name on the back of my jersey and I'm embarrassing my teammates and my family.


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[Assistant] And he stood up and worked harder in film and worked harder in the weight room or whatever. Spent more time with Bill Callahan? I don't know.


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[Assistant] Tyvis said he thinks what happened was Bill Callahan quietly pulled him aside and said, look,


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[Assistant] This team can't get to where we want to go with you playing like that. It could be. So, I mean, something happened.


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[Assistant] He's a different guy. Now maybe you can attribute that to the Jim Schwartz defense and it's more suiting to what he does. Who knows? But I agree with you. I just didn't recognize Denzel Ward. We've seen enough of him to know who he is. Last year didn't look like any other year that he's ever played football. So it seems like there was something there.


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[Assistant] That's an assumption for all of these guys.


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[Assistant] We would have all loved it. Backflips. Yeah. Backflips. Now, G had him throwing for $11,000. Yeah, yeah, exactly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he has to get 375 yards. That's it.


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[Assistant] He has shown moments. He's had flashes long


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[Assistant] But again, again, you know, you're asking Mrs. Lincoln how she liked the play outside the gunshot.


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[Assistant] You know? I mean, that's, you can't take out their biggest plays. Okay. Fair. It's not- It's fair, I'm just- No, it's a good point, it's worth noting.


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[Assistant] But- We're gonna talk about Jerome Ford in our, uh, five-factor- And I'm being optimistic. I mean, they- they both better hit those numbers.


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[Assistant] If you think that Ford's going to get fewer carries, they've got to go to someone.


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[Assistant] Well, okay, I can see Strong picking up some, but I can also see Kree Month picking up more.


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[Assistant] That's a good thought. Let me ask you this, Jay, because I've been meaning to ask you this. I was gone. What was the blowback from his comments after not getting the ball in the fourth court? None.


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[Assistant] Good, I'm glad to hear that. I think it's hardest in the right place. You're right. I do want my back. I mean, it's kind of egregious that he doesn't have a carry in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] And, and, and the thing of it was, like I know you had sent a lot of stats that said, look, your chances of picking it up are the, you know, it's a flip.


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[Assistant] You're right. Listen, you're absolutely right. But the defense has a much better chance if you punt the ball and it goes inside the 10 yard ball.


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[Assistant] Can I, I'm split on this. He's not getting seven touchdowns. He's only got two right now. I think the yards is doable.


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[Assistant] For some reason, this team just doesn't throw touchdown passes to wide receiver. It's not their thing.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say absolutely hell yeaah, he better. And here's why. I trust Aditi.


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[Assistant] Aditi when she comes on this show says, guys, look, it's going to happen.


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[Assistant] There's, there are things that are slowing it down now. It's going to happen to your point on the quarterback play. All he's got to do is maintain his current pace and he's there. Well, we, he better exceed his current pace because the quarterback play is going to be much better.


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[Assistant] You know, and everyone keeps saying, oh, in practice, he was...


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[Assistant] I don't need to see it in practice, I need to see it in the games.


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[Assistant] You have to know what to do with it. And honestly, in the limited time that we've seen Marquise Goodwin, give me more of that!


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[Assistant] He knows where to, where to run.


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[Assistant] I think his role is increasing as the season's gone on.


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[Assistant] And as Deshawn gets more back into the rhythm, I think it's doable. God, I feel like G. Bush right now.


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[Assistant] God, I couldn't get over yesterday. He doesn't have any scarring on his face.


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[Assistant] Right now, if I had to cast my vote, it's him. Yeaah, he's right there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know. Sometimes that's the sack stat. I like it, but there's so many times that there's a disruptive force. It's been Miles Garrett a lot. There's a disruptive force and someone else is able to slide in and get home.


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[Assistant] I think three. Three? I think he's got six. Six? Going bold.


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[Assistant] He has three first downs on four catches. That literally, that is, it doesn't even, you don't even have to say anything about that.


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[Assistant] If you call it a blind spot, it is, it is absolutely a blind spot.


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[Assistant] And none of them did anything particularly well in college.


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[Assistant] It really does. It sounds like the Guardian's out there right now.


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[Assistant] Shohei Itani is going to break the record. Although he can't pitch this year. Still going to break the record because he said he's going to pitch in 25. Right.


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[Assistant] To a lot of the fans, they don't want to hear anything negative.


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[Assistant] They only want the positive and they will argue with you and defend the indefensible.


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[Assistant] That's true. Yeaah. Can we go back to two things? Two, uh... I have one more, then we go back to what we want.


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[Assistant] Whoa, Darryl, I love that. Schwarzenegger. I haven't heard that yet. I actually haven't heard that either. I like that a lot too.


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[Assistant] We've got a name for the defense. Thank you, Daryl.


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[Assistant] Huh? Which one do you want to go back to? Go back two of them. Now I guess it would be three.


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[Assistant] I do. Let me clarify. He is more valuable to the Browns. If you look at percentage of a team's receiving yards, he's got to be top


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[Assistant] I don't. But who do you want them to go and get right now? Anybody.


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[Assistant] And so it's very, very easy to sit here and pick at this, this, this, this, this is insane and crazy and wrong. And how does this make sense? But if you'd go around the league and really, really, really get inside quite a few teams, there would be sort of the same thing. I mean, look, the Philadelphia Eagles are going through it right now with Jalen Hertz's knee.


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[Assistant] Is he hurt or is he not? Why has he never appeared on the injury report? But he was wearing a brace and Jalen Hurts said that, yep, the knee was a thing. And Nick Sirianni said, yep, the knee was a thing, but why has he never been on an injury report? So to think that this only happens in Cleveland, I think is a little, um, I don't know. I don't want to call it small, but it doesn't only happen in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Okay, but let me cut you off. Deshaun cleared that up, right? Didn't he say that he didn't actually get the MRI until Saturday when the swelling went down, and so they didn't actually know what the nature of the injury was, and they didn't actually know.


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[Assistant] I don't, I mean, it's, it's really, really disappointing. Let's just leave it at that right now because this defense is playing tremendously. They didn't actually play a perfectly clean 60 minutes this last week. Those penalties that led to free plays where they stopped playing twice that, I mean, I lost my mind.


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[Assistant] They're playing really, really well. They're still running the ball surprisingly well considering having lost Nick Chubb. Kareem Hunt, who going into that game, Kevin Stavansky told us he'll have maybe five snaps and look at what he did instead. This is a team that is playing really well. Amari Cooper. I can go on and on.


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[Assistant] People that are giving the Browns everything that they have, it's really sad, it's really disappointing that the quarterback situation for which they went out on such a monstrous financial


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[Assistant] Limb, in addition to all the other limbs, is just not working right now.


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[Assistant] And all this other stuff is just kind of ancillary. You know, it's almost like chatter, let's turn. Is this a scandal? Is this a scandal? Are they wrong about this? At the end of the day, it all boils down to the fact that this is a team that legitimately has championship potential.


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[Assistant] And I don't know that I've ever said that in 15 years about being around the Cleveland Browns. This is a team that legitimately has all the pieces and yet the quarterback position is just not


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[Assistant] Working right now, be it for health or be it for health. Let's just call it for health.


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[Assistant] The context of the Miles Garrett vs TJ Watt conversation. We've talked about it in terms of Miles Garrett being a DPOY.


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[Assistant] It's this idea of the game-changing play. And there are certain teams that drill turnovers, that everything they do is about takeaways. And there are other teams that sit here and say, no, it's more important to make the tackle, not give up the big play and give the ball back to your offense. That we're not going to lose sight of what our actual job is while chasing the ball.


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[Assistant] And that's been the Browns. But this week, when they desperately needed those game-changing plays, I mean, I was standing next to Mike Annarella, who works for the Browns. He's in the Browns PR department. I was standing next to him on the sideline when the Colts were backed up in their own end zone and the game was what the game was. And I turned to him and I said, right here, right now,


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[Assistant] A game-changing defense gets a touchdown.


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[Assistant] And what happened? Miles Garrett forced a fumble and Tony Fields fell on it. I mean, you can call Mike and ask him. I called that touchdown right there, but I said that that's what needs to happen. And so did they play the same 60 minutes that they did Monday night in Pittsburgh? No, but they did enough to win the game. And sometimes that's just as good. Actually, that really is just as, because you got the W.


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[Assistant] Going out to Seattle is a tougher game than having gone out to Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] And he said, we need to get near strong growing because I don't think I'm going to have Kareem Hunt. And that is not, he got way, way, way more out of Kareem Hunt. That was most definitely a courageous Herculean effort by Kareem Hunt. And you hope that he's healthier this week. He is, he looked the week before.


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[Assistant] Again, San Francisco. He looked like the pads were warmed up. He was ready to go. He'd gotten all that quote unquote rust off and he was indeed in game shape.


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[Assistant] So as long as he's healthy, I'm not sitting here saying that I'm worried about.


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[Assistant] It was funny down at the goal line there. I mean, you want to run your best play. And so your best play is running Kareem Hunt. But they needed to take time off the clock, which is why first down, second down, third down, they're not running Kareem Hunt. And I'm like, wow, they're putting this on just the one chance to make this happen.


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[Assistant] Bull. Jay, I'm Adam the Bull and we've got breaking news on the Sean Watson.


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[Assistant] Your right shoulder, your shoulder couldn't even beat me in an arm wrestle. So come on, he doesn't need that.


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[Assistant] Well, we saw Jake Trotter just put up a tweet and, uh, from ESPN, and here's what he said. Deshaun Watson throwing again Friday, got almost all, I said earlier, all, but sorry, I missed the almost, almost all the quarterback reps during the portion of practice open to the media.


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[Assistant] I think he's going to be a go. Yeah, I think that's it. I mean, I, I don't think there's any way the Browns are going to announce today. Oh yeah, Watson's good to go. And I don't think there's like last week they ruled him out early.


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[Assistant] In the next hour, you'll see what he's listed. If he's listed as limited and questionable, that really tells us very little. That's like a 50-50 thing. The only thing that would tell us is if he's healthy or out.


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[Assistant] Right. Which means, which means it's a total toss up. But you're right Jay, I think we're gonna see him throw Sunday morning, and if he can make, just like they did against, uh, the first game against Baltimore, and he couldn't make the throws, if he can make the throws Sunday morning, it feels like he's gonna play.


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[Assistant] But if I had to say, I'd rather the brown-faced gardener mint you. I disagree with you.


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[Assistant] Because Anthony Richardson has the one dimension.


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[Assistant] But he's that type of quarterback, and he was running the ball a lot earlier in the season, so Gardner Minshew doesn't have that as part of the game, and there's a reason he's been a backup for the last, what, five years? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] My X Factor in this game is, there's no doubt about it, it's Denzel Ward, because you might not have Greg News, uh,


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[Assistant] The Colts or the Browns corners are going to be on an island because the Browns are playing heavy run because that's the only thing the Colts are good at. So the corners led by their best corner Denzel Ward, and I would say the corners in general, but I'll go with the guy is the best. Denzel is, he's going to probably be dealing with Michael Pittman quite a bit.


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[Assistant] And if the Browns are playing 8 in the box, then the only guy that could screw up the game on offense is Michael Bittman, and that's Denzel Ward's job to shut him down.


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[Assistant] If Watson, when we were asked these questions, I assumed Watson was not going to play. I might have changed my answer, but I still think even with Watson playing,


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[Assistant] I think they'll have a conservative game plan offensively for his first game back. I think they're gonna try to run the ball out against Indy, and I don't think Indy's gonna score much, so I don't think there'll be a great need for the Browns to throw the ball around.


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[Assistant] Jonathan Taylor right now is their number two back at the moment. Eventually it's going to flip because they paid him, but he is getting less touches and hasn't been as effective as Mosley.


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[Assistant] I had him with 24 without Watson this week, cause I had the, I have the Browns with a pick 6 this week.


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[Assistant] However, this evidence is mounting up and it looks bad and we're going to go through all the evidence and I can't wait to get your thoughts on that and how it may have impacted. I've got a theory about last year that I'll drop on you in overtime.


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[Assistant] Come on, bull. I did like the program. I was looking at it the other day. It said $5.99. I'm looking at it again. Is it possible it went up a dollar and you don't know? Inflation. Inflation. Inflation. The show, I don't know. I'll ask. Yeah, if so, we gotta fix that graphic. But neither here nor there.


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[Assistant] Go order the coach's tier. Become a member because this conversation is going to be.


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[Assistant] Uh, we each do three, I believe, and then we'll discuss the other's grades. Also, we're gonna grade the graders. PFF is on our grade scale, for once. F. Okay.


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[Assistant] I wonder if they added some sort of a service charge and didn't even tell us.


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[Assistant] Well, late in a lot of games when there was a chance, he threw the pitch.


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[Assistant] I went seven and here's why. I want the plug and play factor. By the way, take note that my favorite Kool-Aid flavor is great. That's crazy. Like that's a nice color. Purple Drake.


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[Assistant] It's the plug and play factor. And, this guy, I don't know how he did it. He's kept them in just about every game. And he beat the Cowboys.


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[Assistant] And again, the plug and play factor for me is pretty big. It's likely we're gonna need somebody Sunday.


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[Assistant] I just, guys, the more I think about this Deshaun Watson thing, I think he's done.


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[Assistant] These are of the choices that I have. I like Brissette and I like Dobbs for the reason that I've said. They've got familiarity with the offense, the terminology, the personnel, they come in and they play on Sunday.


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[Assistant] I said, I'm not so sure I'm not willing to give him a second look. Now, I think Bull, somebody made a good point. I think it was Bull. I don't know that you want to throw him back in, in that atmosphere. Maybe it was Jason. Just because Seattle sacked Giants quarterbacks 11 times.


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[Assistant] By the way, I think we haven't hit the nail hard enough that Andy Berry really, really dropped the ball in this. This is one of his more glaring mistakes.


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[Assistant] That's on them. I'm not judging them. I'm judging this team. We knew that this team had a solid defense. One of the pillars needed to win. We knew that was in place. We thought everything else was in place in terms of the quarterback and Nick Chubb. Things happen. I get that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Then you do it. We can split hairs a million ways. I just think when the chapter on this season is over.


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[Assistant] If it doesn't end with a playoff trip, there are jobs that are going to be lost. And if I'm trying to protect my job, and I know that the most important position in the game is quarterback, I've gotta have a backup. I've gotta have a plan.


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[Assistant] That's true. Yesterday we said they could be five in one. They could just as easily.


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[Assistant] I'll change it to a nine. I'd give him an eight or a nine too. For me the experience factor is off the charts. You're not going into Seattle.


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[Assistant] With PJ Walker or DTR and Beating the Seahawks. As of right now, yes we are. You can write that down in ink.


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[Assistant] Okay, so they got, they got a good beat on the quarterback, on the number one pick for next year. They already traded that pick to Chicago. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] And teams that are trying to win and get in the playoffs don't trade their backup quarterback. Remember that.


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[Assistant] Well, 11 wasn't available, so I went with 9.


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[Assistant] I couldn't go all the way to a 10 because again, I, I think the likelihood, I was low on Kirk Cousins because I thought the likelihood, yeaah, what is that picture with him? Is he running in a wind tunnel?


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[Assistant] I thought the unlikelihood of Kirk Cousins was not happening, so I went low on him. I don't think the likelihood of this is happening, but I wanted to talk about the Browns at the same time.


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[Assistant] Yes, because Kirk Cousins, and I checked around yesterday, Kirk Cousins was definitively not leaving Minnesota. Definitively. Like, I know it was reported, he was not leaving Minnesota. So that was like a brick wall for me. I know, I don't know what the heck this guy does, or what, I know what drives him. What drives him is competition.


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[Assistant] And I know that he desperately misses that competition. So for me, why not? All I can say is no, and then you go on to your next candidate.


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[Assistant] Someone asked me that yesterday and I said, I said, if you're Tom Brady, now again, maybe conventional wisdom doesn't apply for us.


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[Assistant] Think of what that would do to his resume if he wins here. If he's looking at this defense. And by the way, he made some interesting comments a couple of weeks ago that were fascinating to me. He said, man, this watching football on TV is wild.


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[Assistant] It's a whole new perspective. I have a whole new perspective. When you're on the field, you're just seeing your field point of view. And now that I'm watching it from the stands, everything looks different and I'm even seeing some clarity that wasn't perhaps there when I played.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's doing it, but I think it would be, it would be...


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[Assistant] All Browns fans would explode with excitement. It's just worth a flyer of a call. Of course. That's what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] You know, I think that in general, uhm, the NFL has devalued the starting quarter, the backup quarterback position at its own peril.


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[Assistant] Once upon a time, back in the day, and I know the game changed dramatically, but you would see a backup with a team for six, seven, eight years. When, when the Dolphins finished their undefeated season in 72, and Greasy went out,


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[Assistant] Earl Morrill came in and famously guided them through the troubled waters and allowed them to continue to go on their Super Bowl path. Now, I know it's because of money and free agency.


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[Assistant] But I would like to see a team, I mean, you look at Kansas City just a couple of years ago, they had a backup come in that would have been with the team for a number of years. And when they needed a big fourth down pickup in a playoff game against the Browns, they had a guy that they had faith in.


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[Assistant] I think there's six to eight of them that could play. Maybe if they were in another team with another situation. For the most part, these guys are backups. That's who they are. But when they're young, they don't think that. No, of course they don't, particularly if they're a high draft pick. Right. But like, a guy like Baker,


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[Assistant] 20 years ago, if he washed out with the Browns, probably hooks up with the Broncos and he's a backup for 8 years. Now these guys all want to play and the teams are still enamored by their college resumes. Yea, that's true. And they give them deals.


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[Assistant] It's really surprising to me that, and it's a testament to Bill Belichick, he has stuck with Matt Jones.


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[Assistant] At his own peril. They're calling for his job. There are people calling for his job in Boston and


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[Assistant] Yet he's stuck with them and Matt Jones responds with the last second touchdown pass to beat a very good Buffalo Bills team, which has owned the Patriots since Brady left town and even going back further than that. So I give a lot of credit


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[Assistant] So Belichick for sticking with Mac Jones, it must tell you that Bailey Zappi is looking pretty bad in practice. So I just couldn't get excited about him.


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[Assistant] By the way, is that the last one? That was the last one. Okay, before we go any further, I just, I got some bad news yesterday in that I was sniffing around to find out if the Browns are in the market. They are not.


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[Assistant] It appears that they are not going after a quarterback. I had an exchange with Adam Schefter where I asked a lot of different scenarios, a lot of different possibilities.


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[Assistant] Obviously mentioning what the Browns have seen at quarterback without Deshaun Watson. And his response was pretty emphatic. I'm not expecting them to add a quarterback right now.


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[Assistant] We'll see how the season plays out. So for me, it was like they just added all water to our


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[Assistant] By the way, you know, Adam doesn't know everything that's going on. I mean, there's teams that are talking and he may not have heard it yet. He just said he is not expecting the Browns to make a move at quarterback.


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[Assistant] If you look at what he did in the box score, that is the equivalent of a perfect game. The man had nine tackles. He forced two fumbles. He led directly to 14 points and took another three points off the board with a superhuman act. A 94.4 is embarrassing.


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[Assistant] I'm grading him on the scale of every other defensive end


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[Assistant] He so far overachieved and over delivered what I think even the one of the best defensive players in the league can do. I can't, I can't ding him five points.


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[Assistant] So someone would have told you that after that long run, he's going to have minus two total yards rushing after that point. Oh wow. Uhm, you know, I really can't, I can't fault them too much. I just can't.


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[Assistant] I'm told that Splash Plays, they love Splash Plays.


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[Assistant] You know, they love that. What's flash? Well, I think a touchdown counts. Doesn't it?


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[Assistant] Mhm. And you've run three plays. Pass. And you haven't been able to pick up that yard. Pass plays. And now, I don't care. And now it comes down to if this play is successful, you win. If this play is a failure, you lose. You with him? He got the yard. I think that is worthy.


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[Assistant] I would have given him a 73. I would have given him a 73. And see now look.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but however, like let's just do it to baseball because I think that's something you can get your mind around a little easier. If we go back to Oscar, Oscar Gonzalez against the Rays and he was one for six with four strikeouts, but he had the game winning walk off home run. I can't give that man anything but an A.


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[Assistant] It just seems like there's too much disarray around, I know it's complicated.


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[Assistant] You know, just get on the same page. Let everybody know where they are and move on one way or another.


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[Assistant] That's well said. Before we let you go, I want to circle back on one thing that you touched on. You made it seem like there's a Watson camp.


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[Assistant] What do you know about what his people are saying and how it might be in conflict with what the Browns are saying? What more do you know about that?


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[Assistant] Okay. Mary Kay, thank you very much. I'm sure you'll be on this story. And we'll continue to read you with interest as to where they go from here. Thanks, Mary Kay. See you next week. Thanks, Mary Kay.


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[Assistant] Hold on, hold on. Jordan Addison was a late first round pick. It's like 25th. Yea, somewhere in there. I think he might have been a little higher. But to me, it really is an interesting position. Because yes, while recent third round picks haven't stuck,


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't either. Yeah. Air strong is an enigma to me in a couple of ways. I think, did he have like 10 carries for 100 yards in New England? Yes.


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[Assistant] How are you trading a back that's averaging 10 yards of carry? Obviously a very small sample size, but I just, I keep thinking there must be something wrong. What is that supposed to mean?


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[Assistant] Averaging 10 yards of carry on small sample size in New England. And now 5 yards of carry on a small sample size here.


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[Assistant] No, I know. This is ridiculous. The Browns messaging, I said it to Mary Kay. Four weeks IR. As long as we're handing out grades, the Browns messaging on this injury is an F. That's way too nice.


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[Assistant] There's a word in sports that scares the death out of me. And I don't know if Mary Kay used this word flippantly or if she gave it any thought, but she said entourage twice when talking about


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[Assistant] Cause I said camp and she goes, well, I don't know. She called it.


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[Assistant] I don't like the word entourage because to me it means


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[Assistant] I hope that there's not his people in Houston saying he's not playing, and Cleveland saying our doctors say he's following.


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[Assistant] You said 25, right? No, I got married right about six months after I graduated college. 24. Are you serious? 22. Yeah. Good for you, Jay. And well, I was in a situation where I got my first job and I was going to move away to Kentucky.


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[Assistant] Happy anniversary though, in all seriousness, happy anniversary. And here's to, uh, twenty-four more.


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[Assistant] Or, I mean, the Michigan, uh, cheating... Cheaters! ...allegations. This is getting real serious.


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[Assistant] Here we are. It's Friday! Welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Thank you so much for spending time with us. You get 90 minutes on YouTube today, 30 minutes on WKYC. How's everybody feeling on this Friday?


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean that's one big con pretty much. So here's how you ask yourself how you can dip in on this. What do you know more than anything in the world?


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[Assistant] All you gotta do, Bull, is make a website and start an LLC.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we are, this is a four o'clock game, right? Because it's West Coast. I hate four o'clock games. Well, I do too. I don't love them. That means we're 53 hours from kickoff.


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[Assistant] Um, it just makes it longer for it to get here. Lot to talk about today on today's show. Lot to talk about. Uh, the quarterback situation continues to be a hot talker. What are they going to do? Are they going to do anything? Also, I noticed yesterday, Derek Henry is getting a lot of traction that we mentioned him on the show here.


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[Assistant] Because the Titans seem to be in sell mode. Yeaah. It seems like everybody in the league is interested in this guy. That scares me. It's going to ratchet the price up. I also saw the Ravens are said to be interested in him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't like that. I'd be smart for them. It'd be brilliant for them. I do not like that. Uh, now they could be doing two things here. They could be just saying, well, we know Cleveland needs a running back and they're still super hot over Cleveland for sort of resetting the quarterback market with the Deshaun Watson contract. They might just be floating rumors out there just to make Cleveland


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[Assistant] No, he hasn't, but he's gone to the Jets already and said, I'd like, I'd like to be moved. Now look, he would have been far more effective if Aaron Rodgers was playing because they would be two dimensional. Well, no, they are two dimensional. Breece Hall's been excellent.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, Breeze Hall has taken all the carries. Right. But I think that if you had a quarterback that could throw the football, you know what that does? It opens up the running game. Could be more room for him to eat, but I don't know. Would you guys be interested in him? Sure, I've ran a


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[Assistant] You can argue he's picked up the most important yard this season. Yeaah, that's true. Because the difference between four and two and three and three feels like a huge chasm. Okay, uhm, a lot to get to, uh, but first we gotta say our first hello and good morning of the day to Mikey McNuggets.


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[Assistant] Let's go to Jason for the Berset No Calls because we really haven't talked about that on the show. Yesterday we talked about the fact that they, we thought that they would be calling. What do you have on that?


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[Assistant] Now they can always, you know, see more of PJ Walker on Sunday that they've already seen and come to the conclusion that yeah, this probably isn't going to be a


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[Assistant] If you listen closely to what Deshaun's saying, he's not giving any indication of when he'll be back. In fact, here's what we know for sure he has said this year.


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[Assistant] I don't think I'll be 100% at any point this year. Can we play the clip from Bernie yesterday? This is Bernie Kozar, who had the exact same injury, talking about the likelihood Deshaun Watson returns to 100% this year. Let's play it.


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[Assistant] That's kind of where we've been operating all along. You know, when we reached out to the surgeons that we reached out to, they said that this is one of those deals that


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[Assistant] It's, there's a better chance that you completely tear it if you keep using it.


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[Assistant] And the definition that we looked up from the AMA and the surgical board that they used said that, you know, this is something that it's almost like it's got to be a complete shutdown for that length of time and he can't do that.


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[Assistant] Back to Bernie's point, how confident are you guys, if you had to put a percentage on it, that we'll see the 100% of Sean Watson at some point this year? Zero. Zero. Zero. Yeah, I'm the same, I'm exactly the same spot.


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[Assistant] The building and they've got much more information than we have. They might have doctors telling them, saying, look, is it a microtare? Yeah, it's not extreme. Give them three to four weeks of complete inactivity. No throwing the football. And I think you got a hundred percent.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson. Maybe that's the case and we just don't have that information. But they already did that. It didn't work. No, I'm talking about from, from Sunday's game. You're right. They tried that and it didn't work. I think they were fooled by the notion that he said he was ready to go. Bernie's point on the rollout interception is so dead on. You guys have all had some kind of an injury before.


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[Assistant] And you know that you have a limit that you can reach to before the pain really kicks in. That pain is the message to the brain. Stop doing what you're doing. You're going to make this worse. And Bernie's felt that pain. He knows it. We've all felt it.


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[Assistant] You don't even think about it. I love that Bernie said it's an involuntary response. The muscle saying, no, no, no, we can't go where you want to go right now. So we're not going to. And if you just take a little bit of sauce, as Bernie calls it off the ball, those completions become interceptions. I am for


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[Assistant] Putting him on IR, doing it today, so the clock starts for the Seattle game. And you get him back, guys, even if you go one and three.


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[Assistant] Look, they're four and two. They should be able to manage going one and three. You're still five and five with seven to go. It's irrelevant anyway. He can't play.


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[Assistant] Well we don't, no, no, I was, I'm operating under the assumption that the doctors could say shut him down for four weeks and by shut him down I mean shut him down.


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[Assistant] And the reason that I'm just a little concerned about the doctor side of it is originally he was cleared to play in the Baltimore game after Tennessee. That's somewhat troubling to me.


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[Assistant] Particularly now that this injury has... That part of it doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense at all to me, but we do know that he was cleared. He was told by team doctors, you're good to go.


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[Assistant] I want to, before we move on from this topic, I want to question all of you guys, and Jay, I'll start with you.


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[Assistant] Everything has a clock to it. There's a window.


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[Assistant] And we saw what the Rams did with their trade and they went all in and they, they, they got the Super Bowl. So now fans just have to understand there's going to be a period of


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[Assistant] Uncompetitive, not competitive football. Well, it actually is not true. No, they're doing very well. The Rams are pretty good. You know how you, you know how you can dig yourself out of that mistake? Find, uh, Puka Nuku. Puka Nuku.


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[Assistant] We don't have that track record here, so we can't lean on that. But my question to you, Jay, as they're looking at, cause the ownership and even general manager and head coach to a certain extent have to look at the broader picture moving out.


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[Assistant] Hit its peak and is now beginning to close because that's what it does. It opens, it closes. It opens, it closes. So,


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[Assistant] If they think that it's at its peak or it's on its way down, you can understand the urgency to do it this year because you almost can't push it off all the way to next year if you think that because of the cap and because of the lack of traffic.


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[Assistant] I know, but I'm asking Jay, do you think that that is playing into the equations here and they're feeling like it's urgent, it's gotta be this year because the window is


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[Assistant] Uh, Mike, I know you got to read. I want to ask one question of Jason that I think is pertinent. You're the guy to answer it. Uh, he was at, Deshaun was asked some pretty crazy questions this week. Like, are you divorcing the Bron? You want to divorce the Bron?


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[Assistant] But he did try to dispel the notion that there's two camps and there's factions.


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[Assistant] Is there, in your mind, do you feel that there's any friction right now between teammates and Deshawn, management and Deshawn, or Deshawn to teammates and Deshawn to management?


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[Assistant] I mean, a couple things on that. The backup is bad. You know what this reminds me of? Junior high, you got a girlfriend, you think you're gonna upgrade for the dance.


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[Assistant] You've been talking to a girl that you say is a lot prettier with more personality and you find out just before you get ready to ask her that your buddy asked her and she said yes and now you're looking at your old girlfriend like, you know, she's not so bad after all.


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[Assistant] He's done a significantly better job and I asked somebody on the panel earlier this week, or last week.


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[Assistant] Do we think that he finally got the, he reached the tipping point where his pride said okay enough of this and he's gone to another level? To me that's what it looks like. He's been, boy you have to admit, the last two weeks he has not been


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[Assistant] What's your take on this? Because you watch him very closely and you see he's been on an upward trajectory.


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[Assistant] Don't take him to Chi-Chi's. Chi-Chi's. R.I.P. Chi-Chi's. That place was great, man. Fried ice cream? Oh, that was great. It was great. No, that was Chi-Chi's. Fried ice cream was Chi-Chi's, yeaah. Alright, uh, we have a read first or do we just bring Tim right in?


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[Assistant] Tim, what do you, what do you, uh, make of the whole, I'm sure you've been following it from Lexington. What do you make of the Deshaun Watson roller coaster that has now taken us to the point where at least he was ruled out early this week and we know it's going to be PJ.


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[Assistant] Former bronze quarterback Tim Couch. Uh, it is some interesting points that he made about how you would, you know, sort of streamline your offense for the backup quarterback.


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[Assistant] And the hope is, to your point, Jay, that he has had a full week of practice. He's had more time to get ready for this game than any other so far, so he should look.


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[Assistant] A little bit better than he has in the past and that might be enough to get him to win.


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[Assistant] I just think the size difference here is so great. He is. I don't know how healthy he's going to be. When I was doing this, I went to the fact that he's going to be completely healthy because how do you judge otherwise? You don't know.


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[Assistant] I just think as good as Denzel is, this is the kind of guy that creates a big problem for him because of the size mismatch.


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[Assistant] for Ward to say he won the matchup. Under 50 receiving yards?


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[Assistant] Denzel took a step the wrong way. And so I don't know if he was doing intentionally to bait the quarterback. I thought it was a bait move. Or what it showed was incredible recovery speed.


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[Assistant] Not a good recipe with a young quarterback who's turnover.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this was really tough for me. Really tough for me. In the end what it came down to was...


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[Assistant] Amari's savvy veteran route running, uh, might be a little too, I don't, then I went back to this.


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[Assistant] Well, hell, last week, Amari wasn't even, did he play? You know, I mean, that wasn't his fault. No, I know it wasn't his fault. That's why I'm not.


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[Assistant] I'm going Amari Cooper only because of the veteran to rookie thing, but with this quarterback and his inability to get him the ball last week, I don't know that we should necessarily be expecting him to


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm with you. Reed scares me. I think this matchup scares me. If you give me Joel Petonio from any other year than, but this year, I got Petonio and I don't even really have to think about it.


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[Assistant] It just doesn't look like the same guy to me, you know? I don't know. So, it was close, again, I think, I wanted to compliment you, I think you did a really good job, because they were all very, very close. None of these were slam dunks for me. I could have gone either way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, same thing, going with Kent Walker. Uhm, not the ideal matchup you want for J.O.K.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think he's big enough that he's gonna give him problems on...


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[Assistant] That also doesn't bode well for JOK. Linebackers and safety has got to do their job. Yes they do, yeaah.


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[Assistant] That's a big spread. I just wanted to quickly remind all of our viewers. If you have a winning ticket on fan duel this weekend, we know there's gonna be a lot of betting action between college football tomorrow and then of course the NFL on Sunday.


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[Assistant] But that's still, that's astounding. They're getting home that frequently. It's absurd.


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[Assistant] Right, but to Bull's point, what could, what might be different in that is it depends on when in the game that happens too.


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[Assistant] Let me ask this, uhm, so the SAC rate was 7%, just over 7% for ours. What was the SAC rate for Dallas?


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[Assistant] That might be the match-up of the game now that you think about it. Because we know that with, without Amari Cooper, the Browns receivers have been pretty anemic.


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[Assistant] And if they've got a shut down corner and it looks like that's exactly what they have here in Witherspoon, uhm,


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[Assistant] Hell, some offensive coordinators just decide when corners are this good. Okay, so we're not throwing to his quadrant. We're not throwing to his side of the field. Uh, we haven't seen a guy like that in a while in the league.


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[Assistant] What was so impressive about last week is, they knew they had to step up in other areas because they were giving up so many points. And that last drive, man.


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[Assistant] And another play that put 7 points on the board. That's a 10 point swing. I hear you. You still have 38 points to the Colts. Right. You know, it's kind of like the bend but don't break.


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[Assistant] Bad matchup for me is because that was a friendly crowd that they were playing.


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[Assistant] There were a lot of Browns fans in Indianapolis. There's going to be nothing friendly about what happens in Seattle. And that's what scares me. It's going to be so hard for them to operate offensively.


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[Assistant] With a backup quarterback and a really good defensive backfield for Seattle. Miles was actually worth two touchdowns. Yea he was. You're right, you're right. He added another touchdown in there.


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[Assistant] Like when you can hit on a guy late in the draft, it can erase the fact that you gave up three number ones because he's playing like a much higher draft pick right now. And Emerson as well.


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[Assistant] Her new album is being re-released. Anybody know the title of it?


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[Assistant] And that fan base is smart and they know it's a rookie quarterback and they know that they need to bring extra noise.


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[Assistant] I wa- you watched the Giants game, I watched it, most people did. It was to the point where you just knew before the play started, it was going to be a sack. At the end of the game-


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[Assistant] You're smart to do so because they were showing the isolations of his one-on-one on all of the sacks.


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[Assistant] But for me, it's defense. And that's pretty much it. You know, I think when you've got this kind of a defense that played as well as they did against San Francisco.


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[Assistant] They're gonna have to find a way to do that again. Seattle's not as good as San Francisco.


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[Assistant] I understand that this one's on the road in a real difficult environment, but like Bull said,


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[Assistant] Even if they lose this one, you've got Arizona upcoming. We're going over to channel three. That's where we'll give our pre written headlines and our predictions for Sunday's game against Seattle. We'll see you there.


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[Assistant] The reality is that I would say roughly 90% of radio program directors are complete buffoons. Yes.


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[Assistant] It's obviously a small sample size this season and in his career he hasn't played a ton. But he's been the worst quarterback in the NFL this year.


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[Assistant] So incrementally better is not good enough. Agree. And if the Browns don't do anything to address this position, which so far they have done absolutely nothing, obviously, but sit on their hands, it's a disgrace. I have defended Kevin Stefanski, and to some degree I've defended Andrew Berry. If they sit on their hands,


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[Assistant] But you have to do business right now as if he's not gonna play because you sat him for a month and he looked completely useless when he went on the


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[Assistant] Debating whether shutting him down and what their record's gonna be is irrelevant. Because the idea that he can play at any kind of a winning level in the next four weeks is ridiculous. Right. And that's what's gonna happen if they don't put him on IR. You're right, they should put him on IR. What's gonna happen is he's gonna convince them to play a game because he's a good player. Right, that's why I like the IR.


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[Assistant] I wonder if the doctors actually think there's an ambiguity here, or if this is just football people turning it into-


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[Assistant] And that's why I never worry about the cap because smart teams with smart GMs can find players to make up for the guys we don't have that track record.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's a big deal. I mean, Jedrick will sucks ass and no offense. Um, but, uh, I think it's a big deal. No offense, but he sucks.


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[Assistant] I'm not buying that James Hudson couldn't be just as good. We haven't seen him that much either. I mean, I know everybody remembers that Pittsburgh game where he was particularly bad, but I just don't think it's that big a deal in the end.


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[Assistant] And he's a much more, a much better player than Jedrick Wills. I just don't, you know, yes, I obviously I'd rather have Jedrick Wills even with his deficiencies. I just don't think the difference between the two is that big a deal. Their offense has got all kinds of problems. I think that's the least of their problems.


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[Assistant] Tim, you know, first of all, Bernie was here in studio just gushing about how much he loves you yesterday. Uh, he's, he's your biggest fan, no doubt. He loves you. He was talking about all the injuries you played through. You know, I think there's a major


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[Assistant] Flaw in sports in general, but especially in football. You guys when you're playing.


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[Assistant] You're young. You're great athletes. You know, sometimes guys like me who did not play, we can be dismissive of guys.


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[Assistant] You know, careers who maybe weren't great, you know, whatever. Like, I'll knock Jedrick Wills, because I don't think he's that good.


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[Assistant] But I know, I know down deep when I'm thinking about it rationally.


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[Assistant] Just to get to the NFL, even if you play for two years, Dustin Fox, who I did a show with for 12 years, he played in the league for three years. There's a million, million guys out there that would kill to play in the NFL for three years. I'm not gonna, we shouldn't scoff at anybody's career.


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[Assistant] So there's a pressure to play. In the NFL, there's outside of some guys like Watson and a few other guys, there's not a lot of guaranteed money. So there's the pressure to make money. There's a pressure to take care of your family when you know that maybe by 30, you don't know what the hell you're gonna do with the rest of your life, okay?


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[Assistant] But I think it is imperative for the doctors


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[Assistant] And the coaches to be better than that. Like there are times probably you played


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[Assistant] And I understand why you played. And there are times where Bernie played. And I understand why Bernie played. But I think there had to be somebody that said, Tim, you can't play. You can't, I'm doing what's best for you. And I know that's easy for me to say as a non-player.


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[Assistant] But I feel like organizations do this all the time. Well, we gotta win. We need Deshaun Watson. If Deshaun Watson can't play at a winning level, then what's the point? You're just hurting him and hurting the team anyway. We need, I think it's better than it was when you were playing and when Bernie was playing, but it's still not good enough. I know I rambled for a while. Fair? Unfair? What do you think?


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[Assistant] But Jamar Chase is a big receiver too.


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[Assistant] If Denzel Ward can play well with Jamar Chase, he should be able to play well against everybody. Now he's been inconsistent at times in his career. He's been pretty consistent this year, it seems to me. What would they have to hold him to?


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[Assistant] A high percentage of interceptions are bad throws by the quarterbacks and the guys in the right place at the right time. This was a play where it wasn't a bad throw, it was just a great play.


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[Assistant] There it is. If you've lost Jerome Ford and maybe Jedrick Wills since then.


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[Assistant] Weather food is, for those who care about such things, the number one graded corner on PFF. They got crazy corners.


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[Assistant] I'm with G again, I'm going slight edge for Cooper, but it's close because Witherspoon is really good.


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[Assistant] First half, for the entire first half basically, they would, they tried to get their run going and then they gave up on the run and they were actually running decently early.


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[Assistant] With uhm, what's his name? White? Uh, is it white? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] But here's the thing, you know why? Because if you go back and look at their plays in the first half, they would go run, run, pass every time. They were completely predictable.


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[Assistant] I'm actually gonna go with, I agree with Mike, I think he's underrated, I think their whole D-line is underrated, but Tonyo's not played well this year.


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[Assistant] His, and in particular in the run game, he's not been good. You see it week in and week out. The grades back it up. His rush, uh, run blocking grades have not been very good. Uh, and Reed's been really good. So I'm going to give a slight edge to Reed.


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[Assistant] A good matchup for Mike, I think I agree with Jay. All four of these are really close. J. O. K.'s had a tremendous season. I mean he's...


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[Assistant] But he's been great. Especially against a run, but I think Kenneth Walker is one of the five best running backs in the league. He is a load in that running game. This matchup really scares me. Going for Kenneth Walker, but again, I think it's close.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's fair, yeaah. They have to- Yeaah, Dalvin Tomlinson's the guy who's gonna be responsible for it the most.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I mean, Derrick Henry's the biggest back they faced, and he was mostly being stopped by the Browns front. He was, absolutely.


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[Assistant] Which is, which I love too. They are, Browns are a three and a half point dog this week, this week in Seattle. Looking ahead to next week, as of today, the Browns are a touchdown favorite. Wow. Actually a seven and a half point favorite at home against the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] In ranks based on what? In terms of pressure rate, in terms of overpressure rate. Oh, you didn't say the stat.


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[Assistant] There could be some context missing. Maybe that's a group of four that only comes in on third and long situations.


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[Assistant] Where did the Browns rank in terms of turnovers? Not turnover margin, Mike, but just turnovers.


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[Assistant] Amazing, like you think about this. The Browns are 4-2. They've gotten the worst quarterback play in the league.


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[Assistant] And they've, they're the second most turnovers, and yet they're somehow four and two. It's a defense. It's a miracle.


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[Assistant] But it wasn't last week. Last week the defense got a turnover.


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[Assistant] He's going to have to do that again. And then the kicker got fifth, uh, what 18, including extra points. So they got moat. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Let's see how many total guys. Out of 74 eligible tackles, he's 21st in pass blocking.


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[Assistant] Crazy. That's really good. Really good. I mean, he's been excellent. You can't ask for more than he's done as a rookie. Nope, he's a home run pick.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you did because I, I wonder where like they take the reading from because it can't be as loud on the field as it is in the crowd. I don't know. Maybe there's.


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[Assistant] You know what's loud? It was awful, by the way. I had to leave. I was taking my son and I left. We went a couple of years ago. He was young. We went to see Monster Trucks at the queue. Oh wow. Oh my God.


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[Assistant] Is the pressure rate that you have there, including the Giants game? It is.


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[Assistant] Well, you should feel good because the Browns are four and two. And even if you lose, you're still four and three and you got Arizona next week. And I think even with PJ Walker or DTR or whoever, they'll beat Arizona at home. So I'm very confident that worst case scenario, the Browns are going to be five and three. I'm hopeful they're going to make a move at quarterback.


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[Assistant] In terms of this game specifically, they're only, listen, they're only a three and a half point dog. It's a tough place to play on the road. I'm not gonna lie, I'm leaning towards the Seahawks winning this game, but...


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[Assistant] FanDuel thinks these are even teams. If the Browns can get back to the defense we've seen for most of the year,


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[Assistant] Locking down that running game, just being totally disruptive, then they'll have a chance to win this game.


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[Assistant] Well, it's been a tricky situation. It's hard, uh, you know, to sort of get a handle on what's going on with, with this rotator cuff. And sometimes there are other entities involved. So just in the same way that Baker had sort of an entourage.


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[Assistant] Much better quarterback play. Uh, here's the thing though.


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[Assistant] What they have done all along since Deshaun showed up on the doorstep is they've tried to find a quarterback who somewhat


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[Assistant] They'll put a lot of things in this offense that are predicated upon that style of football. So I think that that would be one thing they would be looking for.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, it certainly would make sense to bring in a Jacoby Brissette, uh, for this job. I have no idea if they have any.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think they're clamoring for anything right now, unless they think Jerome is going to be out for a lengthy period of time, which at the outset, that's not what I'm hearing.


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[Assistant] You know, looking to move a couple of guys and get some draft picks in return for some positions where they have a little bit of excess. Uhm, but, you know, this is when teams do


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[Assistant] As long as they get better quarterback play, they have to have that.


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[Assistant] You know, I would be doing whatever I possibly could, uh, to bolster some of those positions and, uh, you know, bring in somebody that can just put you over the top.


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[Assistant] Yeah, some of those names do make sense. Uhm, you know, I've advocated for Jerry Judy. I think he'd be somebody that would be worth going out and getting. He's a young guy. Uhm, you know, they've been interested in him before. So he's somebody that I would definitely be taking a look at.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't necessarily see something like that happening. I think it would probably be more so, you know, someone, someone else that, you know, that you're not maybe seeing getting a lot of playing time.


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[Assistant] Really good weapon and again, I don't have the sense that they're clamoring to do that, uh, but I think it's something that they definitely should do.


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[Assistant] You know, once again, you're looking at uhm, only one touchdown pass to a wide receiver.


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[Assistant] I got the iPhone 14. I'm giving you credit though. I appreciate that, but. I just got that. Apple, yea. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Those are the ribs.


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[Assistant] Jason said Brown's fans have experienced seeing a quarterback come off a long layoff and potentially being rusty. They also have experienced this season.


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[Assistant] Of seeing a fifth round pick come into a game where he didn't have a full week of reps leading into the game knowing he's a starter, which could be the case for Arizona with Clayton Toon this week, who was drafted one pick ahead of DTR. 139 was Toon, 140 was DTR.


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[Assistant] With what we saw from DTR in that Baltimore game, where he was thrown into the fire, not fair to judge him, obviously it was a catastrophic result. What would it say if Clayton Toome was able to come out under-


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[Assistant] Not apples to apples, but apples to oranges circumstances here.


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[Assistant] And play well against the Browns defense. Would that be an indication or indictment on the Browns in their preparation or would it be an anomaly?


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[Assistant] We actually have a little bit of breaking news real quick. This is Brown's related but not quarterback related.


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[Assistant] Kade York is a New York giant. The Giants have signed Kade York off the Titans practice squad after Graham Ganot had his season cut short due to a knee injury. And if Kade York thought the Cleveland media was tough, is he in for a surprise when he misses a kick in New York City?


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[Assistant] And it's hard to disagree, so with that, let's welcome in our QB1.


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[Assistant] We don't have any issues on Friday. We know who our quarterback is. That's right. And it is Tim Couch. What's up, Tim?


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[Assistant] That is definitely worth talking about that could be a factor later today. That's coming up about 1242 today on the WKYC TV show. If you're not in Cleveland, you can watch on the WKYC mobile app or the WKYC plus smartphone app, but from 1230 to 130 minutes of brand new content.


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[Assistant] In third quarter points allowed, Buffalo's allowing 1.5, Cleveland's at 1.9. Okay. So minimal difference. Gotcha.


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[Assistant] It's not necessarily news yet, but it's definitely worth discussing in terms of these tweets. And we got all three. We got Zach, Mary Kay, and Tom Weathers. So if you let me read them to your bowl real quick, we'll take them on screen. Okay. And we can discuss this real quick before we get into the five stats you need to know. But Zach Jackson of The Athletic tweeted that Sean Watson was first in every line.


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[Assistant] All the first team reps and part of the open media portion of practice Friday certainly looks like he's starting Sunday versus the Cardinals and Tom Withers, who also is at practice, tweeted Deshaun Watson took all the reps while we were out there. It looks like he'll start, but nothing official yet. Guys, we have an announcement.


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[Assistant] And it's trending that way, so we'll certainly get back to that, we are not gonna ignore that.


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[Assistant] Alright, so this is your five pack of McNuggets stats, and are you guys ready?


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[Assistant] How about some elite screen game numbers from this Kevin Stefanski offense against Seattle?


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[Assistant] Browns attempted five screen passes. They went five for five for 105 yards, including a 41 yard pickup by Pierre Strong. David and Joku's touchdown was not technically charted as a screen pass. It was a fake screen kind of slipped to the middle.


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[Assistant] But their previous success on that driver, they had run two screenplays in a row before that touchdown.


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[Assistant] And they throw a regular tight end screen. Four different screens on six attempts. Bottom line.


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[Assistant] Without real playmakers in this offense, the fancy has to get creative, get guys open in space, and the screen game for the last three weeks has been their most effective and important way of doing that.


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[Assistant] Well now it's Patrick Mahomes and the Steelers. Kenny Pickett has single-handedly brought the Steelers into plus 500 in that category. Let's not get single-handedly. So, wait. He is a different quarterback in the fourth quarter than he is in the first three. It makes no sense.


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[Assistant] But technically, the Steelers are the only other team in the league, plus 500 now, going back to 2020, when they enter the fourth quarter trailing by three.


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[Assistant] G Bush, this stat is for you. I needed something that was gonna make G Bush happy. And G Bush, this stat, I spent a lot of time finding it. This is for you.


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[Assistant] And they are god-awful at it. The reason they continue to run it with PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] Is it is Deshaun Watson's favorite formation to use in 19 and 20, he led the NFL in quarterback EPA out of empty formation. So it is a staple of the Deshaun Watson playbook. It is certainly not a staple of the PJ Walker playbook, but Kevin Stefanski keep dialing up those plays and without Deshaun Watson in there and even with Deshaun this season, uh, I'm just going to say this nicely. They have not worked.


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[Assistant] Next up, this is, uh, I felt bad doing this, but the more you look into PJ Walker and why I think Deshaun Watson has to play this week, the Walker numbers are just, they're tough.


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[Assistant] This season, this season, he has the lowest combined EPA plus CPOE in the NFL. That's uh, efficiency per drop back and completion over exact, uh, expected.


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[Assistant] He has the highest turnover-worthy rate-throwing percentage in the NFL at 7.7%. That's ahead of guys like Gardner Minshew, Mack Jones, and Desmond Ritter by a significant margin. Only 65% of his passes this season have been, uh, deemed catchable. Which, uh, not bad.


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[Assistant] Well, the next lowest is 78%. Not bad, that sounds-


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[Assistant] No, but I'm saying the second worst, that is 32nd. Yeaah. 31st is 78%. Right. So that's terrible. Yeaah. But I'm saying 65, oh that, that's... Who are some of the best quarterbacks, like this year? Uh, my home is Russell Wilson this year is at 88%, he's second.


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[Assistant] And then just some more things real quick. So PFF tracks accuracy in different parts of the field. They go off a 30 point grade. It's weird. The only area that he has a positive or at least average accuracy grade is behind the line of scrimmage. AKA screen passes. It's one thing he does very well.


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[Assistant] This one is kind of what hurts, and gee, this is why I don't get empty. Walker throws to his first read, according to PFF, 68.8% of the time. It's actually middle of the pack, but he's really a one-read quarterback. However,


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[Assistant] His EPA, which is my favorite analytic, you'll see me use it a lot, it's very simple to use a higher EPA, good, lower, bad. His, uh, EPA on first rethrows this season is a zero, uh, minus 0.4.


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[Assistant] The next lowest in the NFL is Matt Jones, who sucks at a minus 0.2. So he's twice as bad as the second worst on this first.


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[Assistant] He has moxie though. He just got moxie. He keeps him in games. Alright, let's go to a good brown stat. We don't have to talk walker. I feel bad every time we do that. But I do think it is worth putting a little context to what you see with your eyes.


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[Assistant] Alright, on the other side, as bad as those numbers were, here's some phenomenal numbers from Mohurst. I asked Mary Kay about him earlier this week, and Mohurst may be the single most underrated, cheap free agent signing in the NFL this season. In four of his seven grades this year,


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[Assistant] He's posted an 80 plus PFF grade. He ranks sixth overall among interior defensive linemen this season who have played at least 150 snaps.


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[Assistant] Dexter Lawrence, highest paid defensive tackle in football. Jalen Carter, phenomenal rookie for the Eagles. Quinnen Williams, phenomenal defensive tackle for the Jets. Aaron Donald and Osa Odigizua, who I don't know who he is, but he has an 88.


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[Assistant] Oh, absolutely. And one more thing, and this is what you get paid for is getting pressure on the quarterback. He has 92 past rush attempts this season from the interior defensive position stance. He has.


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[Assistant] And we talk about Jim Schwartz and the big thing when they signed him was he gets the most out of defensive lineman.


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[Assistant] I would say there's maybe one or two guys that have not lived up to my expectations, my personal expectations, but I don't think anyone's too bad. I think I thought Newsome would take a bigger step forward than he has.


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[Assistant] And that's why the ones who are good right away get taken to the top 10 like Jaylen Carter.


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[Assistant] That's the difference. Alright, we have one more we're gonna talk about and one more we're gonna tease the TV show, but G. Bush, you always talk about the Browns being predictable on offense.


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[Assistant] You guys have a chance to both be right here. On first and 10 plays this season, the Browns have run the ball 53.7% of the time.


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[Assistant] On those first and 10 run plays, they have a 35.2 success rate, which is 31st in the league. Only behind Indiana, Indianapolis. Meaning, don't be so damn predictable.


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[Assistant] We're gonna get to this more in depth in the TV show, but I did some research and looked into the last six rookie quarterbacks Jim Schwartz has faced as a defensive coordinator and frankly,


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[Assistant] But I'm not gonna tell you who did what and how. Nah. But we gotta give him a little teaser here. I'm just gonna give you a little heads up.


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[Assistant] It's a very surprising stat. They're throwing for close to 300 yards and a lot more touchdowns and interceptions. I think you shared too much. People gotta see.


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[Assistant] I think people are going to be piqued to find out if it's an anomaly, if it's an issue.


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[Assistant] Or just a discussion worth having and you gotta find that out at about 1242 on WKYC.


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[Assistant] We just have two super chats today, which means we'll have a few minutes here at the end to, uh, discuss a little bit of the Nishan Watson news we have, but the first one comes from Jordan Wanner and he says,


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[Assistant] I think starting to Sean, if he's close is a good idea. Short drops, quick throws, lots of ground game. Let's get him tuned up for the next couple of weeks when we have two AFC North opponents coming. And then our Mac dog says the season is undecided, all hands on deck in the QB room. Let's put the best guy out there on Sunday.


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[Assistant] And as it appears from people who were at practice today, DeSean Watson, barring a setback, looks, and nothing's been announced yet, but looks like he'll be the brown starter against Arizona.


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[Assistant] Definitely they're trying to get the rules for the offense, you know, with all the tackling and all that stuff, but defenses are playing better. I think there's a lot of reasons for it. I think lack of solid quarterback play, you know, across the board is one.


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[Assistant] There's really not a lot of true playmakers across the board. There's probably 10 to 12 really true number ones. Yeaah. But there's really not a lot of great wide receivers for whatever reason. I don't know why that is. But offensive line play, quarterback play and receiver play is a little bit down right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, must. I don't know. I can't explain it. Uhm, you'd think that the receiver position would be the easiest to find, but you can look at a couple of rosters and you're like,


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[Assistant] Who's their best receiver? They're struggling to get open and uh, everybody's blaming the quarterbacks and all that stuff.


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[Assistant] You know, you think that you could find a guy that can run a 4-4-40 and pretty good sized kid that can catch, but there's not a lot out there to be honest with you.


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[Assistant] A little bit, yes, for sure. Especially for the young quarterbacks. They need to play. And the reps, you know, I always preach myself and my brother, who's repetition is king for quarterbacks. And it's a lot of these young players. I mean, you have to get reps.


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[Assistant] You have to see the concepts versus a defense. You have to just, uh, your thinking cover two, cover three, cover four, whatever it might be, where you're going with the ball on each concept. And if you don't get those reps, those live reps, it has an impact on your career.


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[Assistant] A lot. Jim, Jim's, Coach has always been a great defensive coordinator. He's, uh, got a very solid system in place. Guys know where they're supposed to be. They're very detailed. Uh, they're very, uh, specific in what they want to do and they play hard. All those defenses have always played extremely hard and they play fast.


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[Assistant] Uh, they're well coached obviously and uh, he does a great job and he has talent that can do it. And that's the big thing. There's a lot of good coaches that don't have the talent that get fired. I'm one of them. Just kidding.


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[Assistant] But, but he has the talent. He has two premier pass rushers. He got one of the best cover corners in the league. Linebackers can run. Their safeties are physical. So yeaah, he's got the talent and he's got a great scheme.


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[Assistant] Well that's exactly right. He has the players number one to create the chaos. He's got two edge players that are good. He's always been like a wide nine guy. Those guys jetting up the field and the internal people getting pushed.


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[Assistant] Sounds simple, but you have to have the guys that do that. Zadarius and Miles on the outside are perfect for him to do that. And then you got Tomlinson on the inside plugging up the runs and doing all the things that they need to do. And it really frees up the linebackers.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it's very hard for double teams and all that stuff. Tackles are out there and it's hard for tight ends and, and tackles a double team, a defensive end when they're just jetting up the field like crazy and it impacts the bootleg to play action game because


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[Assistant] Shoot, you know, usually when you do a play action pass, teams are playing a run. Not them. They're always jetting up the field and they're getting pressure right away and it's chaotic like you mentioned.


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[Assistant] No, I think when you play, when you go to DTR, a rookie, that's going to have an impact on your game, right? I mean, he probably didn't get many reps in training camp or OTAs. I mean, he's getting the third team reps or second team reps, which is very minimal.


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[Assistant] Uhm, usually when you're getting a quarterback ready to play, they're taking every rep and he probably got minimal reps. That's one. So that, that offense was majorly impacted, obviously without Chubb.


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[Assistant] Defensively, when you play a quarterback who can run like Lamar, Jalen Hurts, or Josh Allen, it does have slight impact on, okay, we can't be too reckless with our lanes, because they'll step up and be up and out of there and hurt you real bad with his legs, so that could have an impact.


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[Assistant] I love Andy. Andy is a, Andy can win a lot of games for you. And he, I had him for three years and we won.


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[Assistant] Uh, with the offense they have here, I think he'd be a perfect fit for a lot of things. He played at Carolina one game and threw for almost 400 yards already. I mean, he's still got a lot left in the tank. He's smart. He's a great team player. He's a good leader. Uh, he'll never create any kind of controversy whatsoever. He'd be, he'd be a great target if they could get him.


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[Assistant] Love Nick Chubb. I can remember doing, I remember scouting Todd Gurley, right? And Todd Gurley was a great college player and I can remember watching film and I'd watch the entire game. They kept putting in this number 27 guy and go, this Todd Gurley is awesome, but who the hell is 27? Yeah, it was Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] He's awesome, he's a great guy too, and he's a heck of a back. He was in a draft, and we really wanted him in that draft. We ended up getting Darius Geist, he was gone already, but uh, yeaah, Darius had some injuries, but Nick's a hell of a player.


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[Assistant] Some defenses do that. They'll shift in from double A's and shift out or shift into a normal front and get into double A's and get into their blitz packages. If you line up an empty, they'll get to their empty automatic. So some teams do that.


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[Assistant] Miles wants to get away from the tight end so they don't chip him. So he's trying to get over to the other side away from the tight ends and they...


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[Assistant] Uh, and you see a lot of motions and shifts and jet sweep motions cause that makes it harder on the defense cause they gotta know their responsibilities. So a lot of defenses nowadays are more stagnant because everybody's motioning and shifting and it's hard for them. Okay, where's the passing strength? You know, where's my guy going to be at last minute? So that's tough.


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[Assistant] I think it should be all about the gut and about your people, your players, your kicker. How is he accurate? Can he make the 55 yard field goal? We should know that going into a game.


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[Assistant] And then the rest of it is people related, like who are we going against? You know what? Numbers, analytics are for numbers, right? This is a 90 mile an hour fastball. This is how fast this guy skates or whatever it is. It's not about people. It's not about coverages and it's not about fronts. So I don't think analytics should play a part in pro football.


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[Assistant] Except for snapper, kicker, holder, because you can tell on those, right? But as far as


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[Assistant] Hey, you should go for it on fourth and one at the 40 yard line because the numbers say so. Well, I have a rookie center playing against the best nose guard in pro football. It's not the numbers, it's about the people in front of you.


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[Assistant] You know? It's fair. I mean, Jalen Hurts, the tush push, is a lot more...


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[Assistant] You saw, uh, who was it, Dallas tried it last week, it was the Chargers, rejected.


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[Assistant] I wanna do that at Washington but I'm always scared if I did that we'd fumble the snap and I'd never forgive myself.


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[Assistant] You definitely care about it because it has an impact on the success of the game. You know, your decisions that you make, those are really the most important decisions. The decisions as far as personnel and the coaches and all that stuff are done, but the decisions that you have to make as a head coach on game day are those. Kick it or go for it. Those are the tough decisions. Those are the ones you gotta live with.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, you're not always going to be right. You just have to go with your gut and you have to trust your team and if it does fail, then you have to trust your defense to get the ball back or whatever.


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[Assistant] You know, cause you do your meat and potatoes of your offense on, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then Friday is red zone day. So you put it in on red zone day and then you practice it on Saturday during the walkthrough and just get it going.


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[Assistant] I don't know, probably. You know what? Movie was pretty good, Sneaky was one of the replacements.


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[Assistant] Way better than he gets credit for or just really good. There's been a lot of guys, like I can remember when I first got in the league as a coordinator with the Cincinnati Bengals. I know you guys don't like them. It was fun because I got to coach against, uh,


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[Assistant] Most dominant player I ever coached against was, uh, still at Cincinnati was JJ Watt.


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[Assistant] This strength of the formation, so right, and then the, where you gotta put the receivers, bunch right, whatever it is. Then if you want any motion or shift, then if you want a fly motion, whatever that is, you gotta talk about the path protection, right? That's gotta be in there. You gotta talk about the routes.


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[Assistant] Right? You gotta do the uh, cadence and some of the routes. You can't just say,


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[Assistant] Zap. You know, you gotta tag certain players. Like at Cincinnati, I had to tag like four different guys.


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[Assistant] Their personal group related, situation related, and there's a lot, you know, like,


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[Assistant] So you got your 11 personnel, 12 personnel, 13 personnel, 21 personnel, whatever it is, your personnel groupings plays, and then you got your situational plays, 3rd and 2 to 5, 3rd and 6 to 8.