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[Assistant] He's up there playing. Going up there hitting. He ain't up there looking to work deep in account. He's looking to get his .358. You can't be passive and be a .358. And he didn't even have a hit yesterday. I know.


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[Assistant] Josh Taylor is going up there looking for something to drive, right? That is, that is the attitude that I like from these guys, because Steven Vogt is saying, look man, you might swing and miss, you might strike out a little bit, but guess what? You're going to give yourself an opportunity to hit the ball somewhere hard.


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[Assistant] And I think that's the reason why these guys are getting runners in scoring position. They're up there driving runs in.


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[Assistant] You know about comp, you know about it. When you play, we've all had guys that you play on the team.


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[Assistant] And they may be an eight, nine hole hitter. Not, nothing much. You know, yea, if they get on, great.


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[Assistant] But let him have a heart, a really good start. That kind of stuff happens the whole year. Like there was a guy I played with, we didn't even want the ball to go to him, right? And then I know, listen, he's a nine hole hitter and we really don't want him in the field too much. He started off.


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[Assistant] Great. He started off, had a couple hits, started to feel his confidence. Next thing you know, this guy is probably one of our best clutch hitters the entire season. It's funny like that in baseball. When you see it going, and you see the ball fall, and you hit the ball hard, and you hitting the ball hard even if it goes to somebody,


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[Assistant] I'm all for it. I'm all for the energy. Me too. I love it. I love it. Look at that. When you talk about them old school Indians.


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[Assistant] They come in your house and tell you what they was going to do and hit five, six bombs on you. And look at you like, what you going to do about it? I like that energy.


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[Assistant] How many more years Quan and Ayla got? And so, I got a friend that's- Well, Quan- Quan's got-


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[Assistant] Nobody wants those hands. He has heavy hands. Hands of stone.


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[Assistant] People work, some people you can see as evident, some people work their way into it and just have a good year. So will he probably be a max player? Sure.


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[Assistant] They missed, I think they missed on Darius Garland being the max.


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[Assistant] I think they did too. But, at the time, I could see why they gave it to him because they couldn't have foreseen that they was going to get Donovan Mitchell. No. So, that's the way it works, right? It's a little tricky. It is not like, I'm not going to act like it's not like a difficult job. It is. It's projecting whether somebody's going to be a max player or not.


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[Assistant] I think he doesn't need to be a match player for everybody if they can figure out for him to be a match player for the Cavs and what they do.


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[Assistant] Fine. A couple years ago, Trisha Thompson wasn't an 85 million dollar player.


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[Assistant] I don't think Draymond Green was either, but for what they did back in 16, they were valuable.


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[Assistant] Yo, Fetty was my boy, first of all. First round, I got to meet him obviously in Seattle when he got drafted first round and I went undrafted. Same draft class.


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[Assistant] Uhm, really good player. Uhm, bounced around the last couple of years. Fetty guy, he's, he's really a nice guy, but he has a mean streak to him and he had like this thing when he was a rookie where he had this holding thing going on to a point where he got into a fight with my boy Mike Bennett in, in practice. Uh, so he got a good anger streak. I think he'll be a really good,


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[Assistant] Always helps. That means that the talent is there. I've seen him do really great things and I've also seen him have moments where he struggled.


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[Assistant] Now remember, I was in Seattle when he was a rookie. Since then, he's developed. I think he's made, he's done some very productive stuff in his league. And you always need another tackle. You know, when I was with him in Seattle, he was playing left tackle.


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[Assistant] Uhm, who was the, who was the long time left tackle there? He had, he had left. Walter Jones. No, uhm, this was after Walter left. This guy went to the Chargers.


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[Assistant] Uh, I can't think of his name. Yeah, Seattle. He went to the Chargers. He was the one, he was like the first person that said he won his money in Bitcoin.


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[Assistant] No, not Dwayne Brown. No, I can't think of his name, but he was replacing him, who was a really productive tackle, and obviously, it was a big magnifying glass there, so he struggled his first year, but he ended up pulling it together.


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[Assistant] That's another reason why you go out and get a guy like that, and Russell O'Conn was the guy who rocked it.


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[Assistant] Returning lineman that's a guard that we got outside of Luke Whippler.


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[Assistant] If somebody goes down, Fetty is good because if, no matter what position goes down outside of center,


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[Assistant] You can always bring him in and he can plug and play and you can keep those same four guys in there. And I think that when you go, when you look at the line, often times people don't realize


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[Assistant] That when a lineman goes down, it's not necessarily, more times than not, it's not who's left tackle to or who's the backup.


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[Assistant] Usually it's about who's the next best player, who's the best lineman that's left. So we'll plug him in, maybe some guy got a scoot out, stuff like that. But you always want to have your best five linemen in there. And if Feddy can serve a purpose to play all of these positions, then you don't have to worry about moving guys around.


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[Assistant] What is he, 30 now? 31 I think. Yeaah, so I mean, he's getting up there in age, but it's a, it's a veteran guy.


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[Assistant] That's seeing everything, all the fronts, different blitzes. He understands communication.


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[Assistant] He's been on the big stage in Seattle where he was number one pick, had to be a starter. He was productive in Chicago. So you just got a guy with versatility and, and veteran presence. That's what you want on the offensive line. You don't want a guy that you go in there, you have to worry about can he handle certain things or if they do something tricky that they haven't seen on film, can this offensive lineman pick it up?


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[Assistant] You know that this guy's confident, you're confident that this guy can still get things done.


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[Assistant] I hope Andy really, he got some big shoes to feel. Andy Dickerson. That Bill Callahan move.


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[Assistant] It makes you wonder, you know, obviously it's because his son is in Tennessee, but maybe that this thing is going more to a passing attack and Bill Callahan was in charge of the running game, so maybe he was like, I'm out.


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[Assistant] Oh, the playbook's changing. My point exactly is.


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[Assistant] Obviously, I'm a little biased because I played the corner position, but it's also a fact. If you have


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[Assistant] Good DB play. You always want to keep those guys. Unless you are for sure certain that the next guy that you're bringing in can be that productive.


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[Assistant] Like the one thing, one thing I give Greg Newsome a lot of credit on is this was a guy who was drafted to be cornerback number two for this team. And he got kind of forced into this nickel row.


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[Assistant] And, you know, for a little bit he hated it, but now he's learned to embrace it, you know, and he's gotten better at it. He's made some plays out of there.


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[Assistant] So I respect him for, you know, transitioning, because it's not an easy transition to go from all of that space to being inside like that. It's a totally different ball game. But he's embraced it and he was productive. I mean, he had 14 PPUs and two picks, which is very good for him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think, obviously, I believe that they're gonna take care of MJ Emerson. He's not the guy that anybody's concerned about. It's always about G-New. And...


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[Assistant] This is the part that gets me. This is the part that gets me. If they pick up his fifth year option, that's 13.3 million dollars. Slot Corners.


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[Assistant] I think Kenny Moore is like one, is a top guy. Everybody knows who Kenny Moore is. I think he's making 10 million.


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[Assistant] Where do they find, where are they going to find this, this fine line at? Like, okay, do you take this fifth year option and then extend him for more years to try to bring that number down over, over like three or four years? Maybe that's the way you can do it.


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[Assistant] But if you feel like Cam Mitchell can do that or you feel like you can get another one...


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[Assistant] And he could be productive and he could make more plays on the ball where he gets interceptions, then I guess you go for that. But right now, I think GNU brings that energy.


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[Assistant] Gnu is a guy that can play inside and outside and Gnu is still a guy that when Denzel goes down for those one, two or three games that he misses.


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[Assistant] Nobody blinks an eye because he is very productive out there. He can get you through a game. So that's why I think he's, he's very valuable to this team. And if I was the Browns, I would try to keep him because like AB's right.


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[Assistant] You got good corners, you want to keep good corners. As you know, this is a passing league. Everybody wants to pass. Everybody puts their best player sometime inside the slot, and you need a guy that you can, that you can trust to get that job done. Playing inside is not that easy, and G-New has been productive.


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[Assistant] We spent a lot of time talking about Craig Newsome, haven't we? A ton. Yeaah. A ton. It's been like the hot topic for like the past couple of weeks. I was talking to Tony yesterday, Tony Grossi, he was on my podcast, and he was talking about, he was like, I wouldn't be shocked if on draft day,


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[Assistant] Actually, actually a possibility, actually. If somebody don't get the corner that they wanted, you look at Gnu as a guy who, you know, has been productive in here. He knows how to play, he's adjusted to the speed of the game. He is a CB2 that can also slide inside. Somebody might pick up the phone and take that. I'm sure the Browns might listen.


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[Assistant] You don't, you don't think it's funny. Like the browns operate in a way that if you're not really paying attention you'll miss it.


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[Assistant] Two examples on this Browns roster right now that tells me that they're looking to move on from a veteran guy.


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[Assistant] When they drafted Cam Mitchell from Northwestern, alright G-New, we got you your little brother, teach him up, get him right, alright? And then last year, we gon' go get Jerry Judy, you gon' get your idol. Mario Cooper, teach him up, get him right, and then boom. Like, like, to me, I know people like, aw that's, they would never do that.


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[Assistant] We buddy buddy when you don't see it. Like, oh, that's my brother. So if I do leave, if they do move on from me, this my, this my little brother. Like I want him to at least shine and I'll be cool with that. Like that's, that's the way it looks to me. Smart.


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[Assistant] Is Denzel. Look at Denzel in this, in this aspect. I don't, Denzel's pretty much a solidified piece. I don't think they're ever gonna really try to move off of Denzel. They already restructured his deal. Exactly. And to the, to the, his age catch ups to him and he's not as effective.


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[Assistant] So another thing to look at, what about this? If they've been really good, say that to Cam Mitchell thing is, we don't know.


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[Assistant] But if you so happen to check OTAs, pay attention to OTAs this year. If you so happen to just hear about Denzel taking some slack corner reps.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be shocked if they draft another outside guy. I mean, I did see that they had brought in some care from Mississippi State. Where was Martin Emerson from? Mississippi State. So they had brought some- Decorian Richardson. Yeaah, some guy from Mississippi State, 6'2", 210 or something like that corner.


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[Assistant] Can I ask you a question about that though?


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[Assistant] Okay, if I'ma lock down outside and I sign for a hundred million dollars, how much you think they'd pay me if I can check my dude no matter where he goes, inside or outside? I could be effective inside and outside. One twenty-five. Okay.


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[Assistant] So, if that's the case, you gotta, if you wanna be truly, if you wanna truly be like the best, like I wanna be known as the best corner in this game.


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[Assistant] Stephanie Gilmore was a guy who did it. Gilly the Kid, he did it all the time. No matter where that guy went, he was checking.


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[Assistant] Whether it's inside or outside. What happened with that? He want D-P-O-Y.


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[Assistant] So I think if you truly want to be seen, Jalen Ramsey was another guy. He plays inside and outside. If you truly want to be that guy and be known as the best corner in this game, you have to have the ability to be able to play inside as well. Cause if your guy goes in there and we're a heavy man team, we play man a lot.


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[Assistant] You gotta be able to play inside and outside. So if Denzel, and Denzel needs another challenge for himself, if he wants to elevate his game a little bit more, cause he's already, to me, he's already at the top of his game. But if you want to elevate it a little bit more, like that Mamba mentality that Kobe said, you want to go further.


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[Assistant] Go inside. I think you have all the athleticism. You're athletic enough, you're fast enough, you're quick enough. You can handle anything. You tackle very well. You can handle the inside easily. You just have to get more reps at it. Denzel tackles well. Yes.


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[Assistant] I know last year during OTAs when I went to practice, he took some, he was practicing what it was like to be on the slide. They was working on communications, they was working on stacks and bunches, and we get a stack, how we play these things if I'm in the slide. So, it's definitely something that he's been more open to, I can tell.


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[Assistant] That's what you're supposed to do. By the book, that's what you're supposed to do. Move on a year early than a year too late. Because a year too late, you're not going to get nothing more. And like I say, if the draft comes around, then guys don't get the corner they want.


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[Assistant] Greg Newsome is a solid cornerback too in this league. And like I say, he has that versatility. That's something that you don't just get out of the draft like that. You always have to work and let these young guys get a year under their belts and then towards the end of the year they start to take off and be like, alright, we got us a CB too.


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[Assistant] But that guy right there is ready to go. So if you willing to give up something, second, third round pick, which might be a little bit high, but you know, teams get desperate around this time, I'll think the Broncos.


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[Assistant] I wanna keep all three of them forever. I don't wanna trade no corner, cause I'm just selfish like that, so.


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[Assistant] I don't think they should move on, unless y'all are just extremely that comfortable. Like, in blowout games, maybe work Cam Mitchell in there and see what he can do, but it's to go 17 games on somebody and then plus a playoff run, that's a lot for a guy that's just dibbled and dabbled with it a little bit.


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[Assistant] I think it depends on the player, but a billionaire is going to do what a billionaire wants to do at the end of the day because they the ones that's cutting the check. I think Denzel said just for the simple fact that he is a Cleveland guy and he understands that, you know,


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[Assistant] Playing downtown means a lot, you know, because you're in Cleveland, that's just what you, that's what you know.


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[Assistant] A lot of people fear change. You know, when you change something, when you move things from where they were, a lot of people just don't like that because they're so comfortable with their routine, their certain game day routine. Maybe it won't be the same because it won't be downtown. Maybe it's something special that Denzel does every game before the game that's downtown.


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[Assistant] So I think that that has a lot to do with it. And him being from Cleveland, like I said, you want it to stay in Cleveland. Heck, I want it to stay in Cleveland. In the perfect world, I want them to build the dome downtown. But that's just not what the case is. And if you're asking any player, again, any player,


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[Assistant] If they rather play in great weather conditions where under a dome or in


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[Assistant] Elements of rain, snow and all that, 98% of the time they're gonna tell you.


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[Assistant] I'd rather play in the Dome, so it doesn't, that's not a factor on my mind. You know, I, I don't understand why this is such a big debate. Just go with the Dome. You've played in Domes, you've been successful in Domes. Only thing I request is a natural grass field. That's it. No turf. Please no turf.


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[Assistant] Is it, is it, uh, cause everybody talks about the Brown being, the stadium being very cheaply built, and do you think Kansas City's worse?


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[Assistant] I've only been there one time. I've only been to Kansas City.


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[Assistant] Twice. Did you ever play there? I played there twice. I tell you, my first NFL game was at Kansas City. They've renovated it.


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[Assistant] So they gonna have to play somewhere else for like two seasons.


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[Assistant] Money. So it would cost more money to build the dome downtown?


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[Assistant] So, so far there's only been one stadium where it's just been the owner and that's SoFi?


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[Assistant] Does he have like, shops and restaurants?


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[Assistant] I trust Donovan for the simple fact that I think that when you look at this Orlando matchup, he's got by far the toughest defender. I'm sure Suggs is going to be on him.


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[Assistant] And if he can be effective against their best guy and cause...


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[Assistant] Sucks to call for help and guys feel like they gotta help.


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[Assistant] Make Jalen Suggs feel like he needs to be helped or other guys gotta slide over in some type of way. And they can just, and Suggs can take him one on one. I think that just cancels out everybody else. So, I think he's gonna be motivated to do that.


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[Assistant] He's a really good player and crunch time, he, no matter what you've seen lately, if he's as healthy as he says he is and crunch time, that guy does have that killer and that clutch gene. So I expect to see that and I expect him to get out of the first round. They have to get out of first, they got to sell out to get out of the first round. And it starts with Donovan.


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[Assistant] It's not a game changer, it is a serious talk about if. That right there, what you, what you talking about goes back to my Donovan Mitchell point, because if, if Donovan takes him off the thing, they gonna leave.


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[Assistant] Isaac is the guy that they're gonna leave hoping. So he's gonna kick it to Isaac. And Isaac, you better hit it. Oh, you better hit it.


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[Assistant] The reason that I don't trust him, the reason that I'm here with Isaac is because I promise you, I feel like it's literally the same thing that it was last year. Last year it was a stretch before he got hurt where he was playing some really good basketball.


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[Assistant] He ain't got hurt and he just was never the same. And he didn't get hurt this year, but he just kinda was, he just kinda fell off a little bit. So going into this...


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[Assistant] Well, I think they're gonna have to, they're gonna fill out to see how healthy is Donna.


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[Assistant] If he's truly 100%, alright, maybe we do need to throw some blitzes in there, but if he's not 100%,


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[Assistant] They gonna do the too big thing, he's gonna get overshadowed. You know, back in, in the season, and I know the postseason and regular season are two totally different things, but for a while the pick and roll with him and Darius was great. You know, they was something that was building and then that kind of fell apart and it's not that effective anymore.


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[Assistant] And I just, I just don't think he's consistent. Like I don't think consistently, you know, going up against this, that Orlando team, you know, he's probably gonna be the tallest calf out there. And I just don't, I don't,


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[Assistant] I just don't trust him in the paint to be all that physically dominant. And I just don't think he gonna make the shots that he needs to make. And I think that that's, when he doesn't make those shots, that's gonna cause the biggest problem. So at this moment, I don't trust him right now. So two yeses and a no for Evan Mobley. And who's up next?


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[Assistant] 3 for 3 on the nose. It hurts me. That's your guy. That's like, I know that's my favorite Cavs player, but he just, he's been unrecognizable. Now don't get me wrong, he's played better on the last


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[Assistant] What, three games, two games maybe? He's played better, but he went like...


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[Assistant] Like seven, six, seven games where he didn't even scratch ten points. So it's just, and, and, and the playoff, and then on top of that, it's not like he's the best defender. He's all, he's like the biggest defense of liability.


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[Assistant] If you're not scoring and you ain't playing defense, and you're turning the ball over, like that's, right now it's hard. Don't get me wrong, I know that you got it in you. I know you can boom, and you can be a spark plug, you can make plays, you can facilitate.


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[Assistant] But if I'm going off of just recent memory right now, if I'm going off of how you've been playing lately, I can't, right now it's just tough for me to trust you. I want you to be, cause you're my favorite player, I want you to be that guy, I want you to come out there and do some dribbling stuff, put people on, throw some oops.


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[Assistant] You know, hit the big trays. Like I wanna see all those things. I know you can't get to the hold and finish. I think that's the biggest thing that you don't have this year is the ability to finish at the cup.


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[Assistant] But if you do it in this series, oh I flipped, I flipped this back to this quick, but right now it's gotta be this.


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[Assistant] First of all, he's played in these moments before. Last year with the Heat, in the postseason, he was phenomenal. He wants to get back to there. He has that experience. But the thing that I like about him the most is that, y'all tell me, he was the most upset about the tanking thing.


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[Assistant] So, if that's the case, he gonna come out, cause to him that's a loser's mentality. Right now we need championship DNA, we need championship caliber, and I think that he's gonna be the one, because he's...


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[Assistant] I can't believe, I forgot he was even on the team. He can play. I know he is. He can play. How has he been since he been off that stuff? Well, not as good. We'll get to that. We'll get to that.


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[Assistant] Y'all sick. Listen man, you need some spark off the bench. I know Karras hasn't been playing. He went from a guy that we argued about being a potential sixth man of the year and lately hasn't been the same. I think that Karras is up to the challenge. Coming off the bench, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Who's the Magic's best players off the bench is?


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[Assistant] I like Karras overall because Karras gives a three level score and he facilitates. I think you need that. Essentially he could be the spark plug. I trust Karras to come off the bench.


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[Assistant] They're motivated, they're getting out the first round. I'm just telling you. So, Karris, you're gonna get the best version of Karris. I hope so.


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[Assistant] George gonna come in here and hit three threes and change the whole game, so.


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[Assistant] Kendra, give me here a player on this Cavs team that you feel...


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[Assistant] Concerned about that's that scares you a little bit outside of Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] Kendra, you know, Paulo Bencaro, he's obviously been the bright spot and the big star on the team. How do you think he'll do, you know, I think, is this his first year in the playoffs, right? His first playoff experience, you know, is that something that you're worried about or do you think he'll excel, you know, during his first time in the playoffs?


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[Assistant] Well Kendra, since you saying that they're going to win the series, I just want to know who you got for game one, you know. Magic.


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[Assistant] I'm going to let you know something. The magic witness thing is fire.


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[Assistant] Uh, I trust him for one game. I think he'll have one game where he'll really hit a lot of threes. Uhm, he'll come in and be a spark, hit some threes, cause like you say, Niang and everybody else isn't hitting the threes, Okora isn't hitting the threes, he'll come in, he'll hit like three or four of them, but then after that, he might go like, get


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[Assistant] I like that actually. I never thought about it from that standpoint. That was the one thing that we were missing in. They are pretty even when it comes to shooting threes. Listen, Sam Merrill, like I said, he gonna have a good game.


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[Assistant] One good game, but if he does, if he comes out and be that spark and they do five minutes for him and he hitting like that, I think the Cavs, my Cavs is six, we'll go to Cavs in four.


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[Assistant] That's what Draymond looked like. Steph Curry from Draymond.


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[Assistant] Darius Garland. I hope so. Number 10. Do your thing.


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[Assistant] I hear you, but that- But it just feels- No.


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[Assistant] They better go old school. Basketball 101, when the ball goes up, find your dude, turn around and box out. That's, that's where we should be at.


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[Assistant] If I'm Hedo, I'm thinking to myself, I ain't letting him go to the cup at all. So he did the right thing and made him do something that maybe at that time Lebron wasn't like the greatest three-point shooter in the world, but for Lebron to have a heads-up play like, oh man, they still want me to get the ball, like me and the inbounder is looking at each other, so I gotta get the ball, I'm the man, I gotta take the shot.


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[Assistant] So for him to flash up and get that with that little bit of space and get that shot off, it just shows how good of a player he is.


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[Assistant] First of all, I'm sick of this disrespect. What do you mean it wasn't nobody? Zydrunas Elgaskis was out there, and if Big Z got that ball, Z was gonna pop it. It would've been good. So first of all, put some respect on the second, is he still the second leading scorer in Cavs history? Z? Yea, or did Kyrie Beatty? No, Kyrie's not two. Is Z two?


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[Assistant] And you know a shoe he probably would wear? Some bronze. He would have definitely hit the street.


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[Assistant] If, if Ray Allen didn't hit that three, ooh wee.


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[Assistant] Now, the one year where we beat the Celtics, he went.


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[Assistant] LeBron. Well, he gotta play two more years, so I don't think Bronnie get drafted this year. I'm telling you. He get drafted. Stop. Bronnie will be in the NBA next year. I'm telling you. You think so? Averaging 4.9 points a game. He'll be in the NBA next year.


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[Assistant] I'm flabbergasted actually. That was a great pitch. That was a great pitch.


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[Assistant] So he can't put that foot back down? No.


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[Assistant] What is his, what's Cookie's ERA right now?


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[Assistant] You'll be nice for a nice bounce back. Two home runs today so they can continue to stay top 15.


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[Assistant] That's all you care about. I want everybody to win their bull. What was Bulls? I don't remember Bulls. That Brian Rokey would be an All-Star.


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[Assistant] Right now, right now the least baseball expert is doing the best in this race.


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[Assistant] It's a consensus. I'm a consensus.


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[Assistant] But you know what the good thing is, he has the opportunity to change. That you come out there, you make some, you gotta, you gotta find out how they're playing you. You come out there, you pull your clipboard out, you see how they're playing, you make some adjustments, and you, and it's very effective.


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[Assistant] I'll take that back, but one thing I'll say about JB and one of the frustrating things is...


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[Assistant] I feel like his adjustments just don't be working, especially when it came to playoffs. Like two years ago in the play-in. Terrible.


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[Assistant] Then last year we watched the Knicks just blitz us, just blitz us, and we did nothing.


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[Assistant] So now this year, you got a chance to change all those things. If you can do that, it'll let me know at least you've got some experience, you don't make the same mistakes. And they gonna test you. I mean, obviously they know what your weaknesses is, they watch tape as well, they gonna go out there and they gonna see if you fixed anything that you might have struggled with. And if you don't, then Kendra might be right.


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[Assistant] No, no, I mean, yeaah. Yeaah, I have. I mean, they knew all our stuff, but at the end of the day, in college, we got better athletes.


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[Assistant] Hey, welcome everybody! Anthony's here too! Earl in for G. Who knows what's happening with G? I don't know, I never know what's happening.


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[Assistant] You know, I got a Nissan for the first time. I love my Nissan. And it's great. I've had no problems with it whatsoever. I mean, it's a new car. I'm leasing it, but...


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[Assistant] Subarus, until I got this Pathfinder, I had had Subarus for about 8 years. And I love Subarus, they're great. Except when I went to get this car and I really liked the Pathfinder. But uh, Subarus were hard to get at that time. When I was looking for another car.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's hard. I bought a Subaru for my wife, but I like to lease and get a new car every couple of years. It's probably not a financially savvy move, but I just like having a new car every few years. So I do it.


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[Assistant] At some point, yes. We got, uh, so we're a little, uh, short-staffed at the moment. Usually we have four people behind the glass. Today we only have two because Earl and Mike are both on the panel. Anthony behind the glass. Steve, of course, very talkative as usual back there. So, not that I would know. I got in last second, which is a bad job, but to me, I don't like to come in last second.


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[Assistant] Not that common, but I did. Anyway, it is what it is. We got a lot to get to today. Uh, we know the game times and the dates for the Cavs playoffs. Uh, we're gonna get plenty into the Guardians later this hour. A great win by the Guardians who have the best record in baseball.


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[Assistant] Right now, as we wake up this morning, or, eh, still morning.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and of course we'll talk about the Browns. Kevin Stefanski spoke about the Shawn Watson.


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[Assistant] We'll talk a little bit about the offense and Zach Jackson joins us at noon from the athletic. We'll get his take on what the Browns might do in the draft and plenty of other things. Guys, how are you? We're well.


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[Assistant] You know, you don't worry about the sunglasses, any of that nonsense. I do want to start, uh, with something that, so yesterday on the show,


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[Assistant] I made, I ripped into the Browns, uh, for doing these one day, uh, I don't know why I'm doing it in air quotes, because they're actually doing a one day contract.


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[Assistant] With, uhm, with, uh, two players. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Couldn't think of their names for a second. And, not surprisingly,


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[Assistant] A lot of people were pissed at what I said. Well, I guess it's a little surprising they weren't pissed. But not surprisingly, people disagreed with what I said. So, I'll be honest, normally, as you know, I don't care when there's reaction, I don't really respond to it, uh, in terms of changing my, my mind. But,


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[Assistant] I feel, I take pride in being someone that, unlike a lot of people in this business, is not afraid to admit when he's wrong. So,


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[Assistant] I, I, so last night I went and I watched all the videos that the Browns put out with Kirksey and with Higgins. And then I rewatched what I said because Mike Poe, or one of you guys posted it on our, on our Twitter page.


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[Assistant] So I rewatched what I said and, and, and I rewatched it after I had watched the, uh, Brown's videos. And I thought to myself, you know,


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[Assistant] I'm wrong here. Uh, I, I in general, I think the, I think the one-day contracts in general are a silly thing and don't make much sense.


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[Assistant] Sensationalism or just saying things to get people angry. And I was, I admitted yesterday with the, with my Cavs comments the other day, although I stand by exactly what I said with the Cavs, I egged it up a little to, to, you know.


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[Assistant] To influence my opinion, and sometimes when you do that, you piss people off. Mike tweeted that I piss a lot of people off, which I do, and I know that. And I'm okay with that, because I say things that are true to me.


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[Assistant] And part of the reason I'm shitting on the Cavs is because I'm just so aggravated by how they play. And because I didn't grow up rooting for the Cavs, people take that sometimes as, oh, you're a hater. No, I wa- I-


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[Assistant] And I do this with my own teams, folks. If you hear me in my private life talk about the Cubs and the Bengals when they're not good, which for my life has mostly been the case for both teams, I shit on those teams all the time. We just don't talk about it here because if I talk about the Cubs or Bengals too much then people are going to be like, why are you talking about the Cubs and Bengals? Nobody cares.


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[Assistant] But, I thought about this specific thing with the Browns, and I have crapped on the Browns quite a bit over the years. I think I've been mostly complimentary to them the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] But I've crapped on the Browns, and I think every time I, or almost every time I have, it's been completely fair. And I, like I said, I take a lot of pride in my credibility as a broadcaster, and, and some people will laugh at that, but it's important to me, and I care about that. And so after, after watching it again, and after watching what I said,


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[Assistant] It's really not a big deal and it was, it was, it was a good moment for those guys.


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[Assistant] So I poo-pooed something and I was angry about something when, as you said, I came in hot yesterday and I, I let my misery about some other things


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[Assistant] And the fact that I don't like the one-day contracts make way bigger deal than it should have been. So...


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[Assistant] I retract my statement, uh, and I'm perfectly fine with what the Browns did, and I feel a little bad that I poo-pooed it, especially because I did like Christian Kirksey when he was here, he was always very nice to me, and so was Richard Higgins, and just to be in the NFL, I know I'm rambling at this point, but just to be in the NFL,


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[Assistant] You sometimes forget that, and you gotta remind yourself of those things. The reason I got into this in the first place, uh, is, is, is not to be a big shot. It's because I loved sports and I loved the guys that played sports, and that always meant something to me. And sometimes you forget that. So I'm sorry for rambling so much, but I wanted to get all that out.


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[Assistant] We need to find out the Brown's all-time record in the history of the franchise when wearing white face masks.


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[Assistant] I would agree with that. I don't like the, uh, I don't like the all white.


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[Assistant] I think the orange pants look the best. I do too. I would love that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's terrible. But, but like, it's not my fault he put that terrible, uh, I had the color, but I will say, and I know you guys will agree with me here, I would like it if the Browns had the matte helmets. Are you with me on that?


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[Assistant] That is awful, I agree. I don't know what I was thinking. You know it was a rough weekend for me.


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[Assistant] Did I say Stripes? Yea. I didn't even remember saying it. This weekend was crazy for me. My son...


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[Assistant] Alright guys, so yesterday Kevin Stefanski spoke as the Browns gathered for OTAs for the first time in the offseason.


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[Assistant] He had, uh, he had plenty of things to say. Deshaun Watson spoke as well. Uh, do we have some of the quotes posted on tweets from Deshaun Watson? Cause Deshaun Watson's comments were a little confusing.


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[Assistant] I mean, something was made of that yesterday, and yeaah, you wanna, like, for his own edification, I'm sure he wants to know when it happened, and was there some sort of misdiagnosis along the way, but at this point, when it happened doesn't really matter.


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[Assistant] The overall seemed positive, I was just a little, there was one quote, now I can't remember exactly what he said now, that I found a little confusing, but most of what he said sounded like a positive update.


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[Assistant] That was it. That was the quote. I was confused by that quote.


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[Assistant] I guess we should just ignore that comment because everything else he said was positive.


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[Assistant] He, I agree, he seems more, he seems finally at ease with talking with the media. Now part of that is, nobody's asking him questions about the off-field stuff anymore.


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[Assistant] It's old news at this point. There's nothing left to ask. And I think he...


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[Assistant] You know, now that he's been here a couple of years, he's getting more comfortable with the media members here, he's getting more comfortable with being in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] The Browns have a roster that is a playoff caliber roster.


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[Assistant] If the Sean Watson plays like a Pro Bowler, they have a Super Bowl caliber.


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[Assistant] The first time we saw him play last year, he didn't look good. If he comes out on opening day this year and looks great,


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[Assistant] That's right. That seems crazy. Crazy. Alright, well, we'll leave it there with Deshawn. I will say that I like that he was in OTAs.


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[Assistant] And I like that he spoke on the first day. That's, that's taking leadership.


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely. Whatever offense they're putting together. And when I think aggressive, I think of throwing the ball downfield. Uh, yeaah. If Deshaun Watson is not ready to go, be a big bummer. But James Winston will run the same exact offense, I would assume.


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[Assistant] I agree with you, but I'm not as worried about that. I mean, last year


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[Assistant] Like, he's not, obviously he's not as big as Cam Newton, he's not as big as John Allen, which, you know, those guys can take hits, although the hits destroyed Cam Newton's career.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I don't think, like, Deshaun Watson doesn't run, like, Josh Allen is looking to run a lot. I don't feel like Deshaun Watson is looking to run like that. I agree.


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[Assistant] I know, it probably isn't as high as I remember it, because just in general people ran the ball more. But yes, the Browns have been a primarily running team, even though every team, almost every team throws more than they pass.


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[Assistant] I agree the percentages will be higher, but I think 70's going too far. And, but yes, Nick, there's a decent chance Nick Chubb's not going to be ready for the start of the season. And even if he is, you know, you're not going to want to give him a whole load of carries.


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[Assistant] Offensive line's gotta change it's mindset and be prepared. That's what the off season is for. But yeaah, you're right. There's only so much you can do in practice. It's getting used to playing with that guy. Frankly, they haven't played with Deshaun Watson that much. No. And that's part of the issue. Alright, won't be the last conversation about that. Let's talk some Guardians.


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[Assistant] You know, something you could say about the Guardians that you certainly couldn't say last year, they are fun to watch. Yes they are. Right? I mean, that game was absolutely bonkers. 10-7 the final.


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[Assistant] You know, what's wild about the star? First of all, the Guardians are, have the best record of baseball right now.


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[Assistant] None of us predicted. They are 5th in runs scored per game. They are 5th in hits per game. They are 13th in home runs per game. These are all numbers that we would not have expected. Maybe Tyvis did because that was a bold prediction.


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[Assistant] And obviously it's still very early. We're only three weeks into the season. However, it is crazy.


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[Assistant] But it's crazy because the Guardians, you thought if they were going to get off to a great start it would be all about the starting rotation, and it's been about everything but.


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[Assistant] This team is winning games like they don't usually win games in the past. And, and then they did it again last night. It's like, as you said, G.


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[Assistant] They blow a lead, you're like, oh, here we go. It's over. They're not going to score. They have been a clutch. Our guy, Jay Crawford, who I haven't seen in a couple of weeks, put, you know, texted, this team's got the clutch gene and they certainly have. I mean, they have had so many big late game hits.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing about Quan. Quan, I love Quan. He was on our show. He was great with us. Phenomenal. I heard him on MLB radio. I loved him there too.


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[Assistant] He is an old school leadoff hitter. Uhm, yeaah. And there's not a lot of guys like that in baseball anymore.


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[Assistant] But the flaw in his game was that he was a little too passive at the plate in his first two years. Even in his first year, where he had a really good year, he was too passive at the plate, as you just talked about, and they were as a team. Yea, yea. And he wasn't making hard, enough hard contact.


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[Assistant] But he said, I don't have to, I don't have to never strike out. It's okay to strike out sometimes to be more aggressive and to get, you know, to drive the ball a little more. And yeah, he's not going to hit a million home runs, but he's got two already.


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[Assistant] And he's gonna hit a lot, I bet you he hits a lot more doubles and triples. Mhm. Because he's hitting the ball with more authority.


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[Assistant] And as you said, he gets his hands in the zone and through the zone really quick. He uses his body great. He sprays the ball to all fields. He's just, uh, uh, an old school term. He's a professional hitter. That's what he is. And I love him and he creates energy. He's enthusiastic. He plays the field well. He plays, he runs the bases, does everything well.


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[Assistant] Some of the guys, some of these guys will regress, some of them. Yes. Uh, but.


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[Assistant] I think we've seen enough, like, we like what we've seen from Freeman and Rokeo and, and this week, Floreal and Arius, like, and, and Brendan, don't, don't, don't end up leaving that. And Brendan, you're showing signs of life.


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[Assistant] And Manzardo's gonna be here in the next few weeks. The latter hit his first homerun yesterday. And eventually the latter's gonna be here and it'll get better.


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[Assistant] Uh, but kudos to Florio because I know Jason and I both thought he was days away from getting cut by the Guardians and he's gotten hot. He had a big hit late in this game, obviously. So, I mean, listen, as we started this whole segment, they are a ton of fun to watch. Bybee pitched better. We need more progress from him. Barlow did a good job getting the same.


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[Assistant] I've been thinking about some of the players that played over the years, like Ryan Howard with the Phillies.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna bring on Zach Jackson. We'll get back to the Browns here. The draft guys is eight days away. That's crazy. You believe this? And we're gonna play a game, or Zach's coming in person, so he's gonna join us. Yea, we're gonna bring Zach out here real quick.


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[Assistant] Zack, obviously we have been here a long time and you longer than us.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're used to the Super Bowl, I don't remember the Super Bowl. We're used to the draft being the Brown Super Bowl, right? For so many years. Sure. We're talking on the, what I would, Dustin and I would do on the show by November, we're talking draft.


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[Assistant] Well the last couple of years we haven't done that. This year we barely talked about the draft at all. And it's eight days away. Part of that is they don't have a first round pick. But part of it is there's not an obvious position that they have to take. So they're really in a position to take the best player available.


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[Assistant] Speaking of Jerry Judy, did you, what did you think when they signed the extension?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's gotta be the only division I can ever remember where you can make an argument that all four teams can win double digits. Not just over 500, but double digits.


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[Assistant] I think if Nick Chubb had been fully healthy, it could have been an interesting debate, but obviously we're not fully healthy. Alright, so Tier 2, are we separating, are we just picking the two guys, or are we saying he's two, he's three? I just put two guys for Tier 2. Okay, so two guys in Tier 2. Zach, you wanna start?


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[Assistant] Real quick, Zach, I'm curious. What tier does Deshaun Watson have to be on for the Browns to be legitimate? Not playoff, because they're a playoff contest. You're going to mute them. You're messing the game up, boy. No, I'm not messing the game up.


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[Assistant] I agree with that. He's got to be the top six player on the Browns.


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[Assistant] I've been going back and forth on the show lots of between tier 3 and tier 4 and I want him to be tier 3.


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[Assistant] Ahead of Wyatt Teller. I do. I know Teller was better last year, but I thought Petonio played his best football the second half of the season. And so I'm going to have Petonio ahead this year even though he's open. Gee, you're three tier three guys.


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[Assistant] Betonio, Tomlinson, Watson. Well, I had Wyatt Teller in tier 2, so...


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[Assistant] Okay, so tier four, who's, so we got our top six players off the board. Who makes up the rest of the top ten for you, Zach?


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[Assistant] I picked Alvin Tomlinson, but the guys who I had for Tier 4, both guards, well, now that Petonio's been pushed down, uh, both guards, uh, Emerson, and I'm putting Nick Chubb in Tier 4, because I think he'll, I think once he comes back, he's gonna be great again, eventually.


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[Assistant] I was going to meant, Pochich is one of my guys. He's played very well for the Browns for two years. So I have, uh, Nick Chubb. I do have Jerry Judy. I'm going to be optimistic that he's a top 15 player, even though he certainly hasn't proven it. I got Pochich on the list. I got Delpid on the list.


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[Assistant] And I forgot my 15th guy, uh, I guess it doesn't matter. I can't think of a 15th guy.


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[Assistant] All three of the other offensive linemen got mentioned once. Newsome.


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[Assistant] I think Zedarius feels like the choice for last.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson and AC Green. Mario Cooper. Mario Cooper. Right, right. Uh, I'm lost now.


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[Assistant] Uh, there would have been many, many, many, many years in the last 25 years where we couldn't even think of 15 decent players on this team. Let alone be leaving good players out.


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[Assistant] And if they do go wide receiver in that range in the second round. And could you see them trading up?


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[Assistant] Are they these, are the calves the smallest favorite?


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[Assistant] Is saturday at 1pm. I knew that was, you knew it was gonna be an early game. Love that. Love that. That's perfect. That's perfect. I'm excited for all this. All that.


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[Assistant] Four Sunday, or Saturday. Saturday. Saturday. Game five, well whatever, doesn't matter at that point, but the game time, 1pm for game one, 7pm for two and three, and then the other, the second Saturday game is a 1pm game too.


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[Assistant] Well coach, and here's the thing. Last year going into the playoffs, we had more confident in the team. We all thought, or maybe Jay didn't.


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[Assistant] The rest of us all thought the Cavs had beat the Knicks. And obviously they played terribly. And in that series it was like, they're going to play defense.


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[Assistant] Forget that nonsense. You've got to score, okay? The Cavs got to score, they got to put up a ton of points, and Max, I have zero faith right now in Isaac Locoro on the offensive end.


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[Assistant] I want Max, Max Struth, Max Struth is playing with a lot of confidence. One of the few guys I feel like have played with confidence down the stretch and fired up in those last games. He was pissed off that they lost that game.


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[Assistant] And, and by the way, I think what's as equally, or actually maybe more interesting than who starts at that position is who closes. And I think it depends if you're winning. If you're winning, then I want a Koro out there. If I'm losing, I want Streus out there.


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[Assistant] 475. But third place is where I, I, I would have them, uh, you know, you're gonna put Joe Burrow back up there, uh, to beat a chance you gotta beat, uh, to beat a chance you gotta beat him. And I think the Browns do a good job of beating Joe Burrow in the regular season. However, when it comes to, when you're looking at just basically regular season,


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[Assistant] Regular season, that's regular season. Joe Burrow's done it over the long haul. He's done it in the playoffs and been to a Super Bowl. So they're gonna give me that level of respect. For me, uh, Tyvis, I look at it like this. That looks like what the Browns are gonna be, uh, until they beat people, until they actually get into the playoffs and win some games. So I don't really have a problem with it and showing them coming in third.


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[Assistant] I like it was in a timeshare role. I like it. And I like the fact that in this division everybody got a distinctive way that they play.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's a distinctive, you know, style of play when you talk about with the Steelers and the Bengals throwing the football and the Ravens, you know, running the ball, but doing it with the quarterback as well. So, um, I'd be very interested to see the season. It's going to be a dog fight every, every game, you know, you'll see.


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[Assistant] If those players, if those two individual players were in their peak primes, people would say, people would have them right there with the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] G Bush. Hey man, shout out to, uh, Dwele, uh, the soul singer. I used to listen to Dwele, but shout out to him. Uh, yeaah, uh, let me go, let me get that list again. I think, I think this guy was on this list.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Yeaah. Tyvis already know where I'm going. Operation Stockpile. I know you got Elijah Moore. I know you just signed Jerry Judy. You got Amari Cooper. But why don't I just get greedy and go get Tyler Boyd and have him as your third receiver.


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[Assistant] We need him. Shout out to him. I liked him at Pitt. He obviously was part of that great trio in Cincinnati. But imagine yourself. You got Amari Cooper. You got Jerry Judy.


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[Assistant] Then you, you're able to have Elijah Moore, and now you got Tyler Boyd. How much of a luxury is to have those four receivers?


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, Jared Allen, actually in the most approved category. That's where I would put him. I think he has made huge strides in that area and I think he's getting 20 points, 25 rebounds, crazy stuff like that. Uhm, I think he's the most, he should be on that list.


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[Assistant] But I would go with, uh, I would go with Isaac Okoro. Uhm, I think he has turned himself into a really good 3 and D guy.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, he's averaging almost 10 points a game. Uh, he used to be a liability shooting three points from behind the arc. He's doing that well. He can guard three positions. Uhm, I, I think that when you look at him getting a little bit of money, he might get a little extra change, uh, in this offseason cause, you know, he, he had a good year this year.


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[Assistant] I got no problem with it, guys. What say you? Man, it's fair season. It's open season, man. You know how many, you know how many lames are in the media? Like you know how many really scorned people are in the media?


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[Assistant] Typhus, we was talking off air. You know how many guys just come off as get off my lawn guys when it comes to the next generation? And a lot of it is just jealousy to be honest with you. Like Jerry Judy just signed a contract.


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[Assistant] And he makes more money than all the best players ever made back in the day. And you can't help but look at them contracts and just shirk back like, dang man, he getting that type of money. But my thing is, you know, this is a free speech type country. At the end of the day, if you're a big boy, you put your big boy britches on and you go after somebody.


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[Assistant] Don't be, don't be surprised and clutch your pearls when they say something bad. At the end of the day, you asked for the smoke.


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[Assistant] Human beings, if you punch me in my face, I'm not gonna say, everybody ain't gonna say kumbaya. They might want to actually do something back. So sometimes you gotta watch what you say. I remember before, we tell you really quickly, back in the day, who was the guy that used to, I think Jim Rohn called Chris Everett, Jim Everett, Chris Everett.


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[Assistant] That ain't what his mama named him, and he wanted to fight him. At the end of the day, be ready to stand upon what you said, and people gotta, uh, uh, got the right to say something back, Tyvis.


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[Assistant] Hey, welcome everybody to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show on a Thursday. Tyvis and Jason with me today. We've got Mikey McNuggets, Anthony, Steve and Earl all behind the glass and a lot to get to today. Later in the show we'll get to the Guardians with another come from behind win. We'll get to the Cavaliers and how awful they are even in victory.


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[Assistant] So a lot to get to today. OJ Simpson died though. He's not with us today. He's dead. He's out. Yeaah. It's weird.


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[Assistant] Oh, he's a great football player. He was great on that field. The verdict came back. I was at a luncheon or a brunch. It was the morning of game one of the Indians Red Sox playoff in 95. And there was a guy in the background. Everybody was watching it. Well, we were, yea, there was a guy with those little mini radios up to his ear.


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[Assistant] And he would say, not guilty, not guilty. The entire room went, oh my god. Yeah, and, and, uh, I, I remember I was working, I, this, I had dropped out of college and before I went, I went back in 96 and I was working at this oil company. I was just like a gopher. I would run errands and stuff.


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[Assistant] Now you can't even imagine the story because nowadays there's so many TV outlets and people go from thing to thing to thing so quick. But that was...


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[Assistant] Like those are two that- Even bigger than like, I mean, Reagan got shot, he didn't get killed, but he got shot, and that was a big story, but this is way bigger. You know exactly where you were when you found out the chase, when you saw the chase. Yes. You know exactly where you were when the verdict came back. Right. It's wild. Yeah. You were bizarre.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, remember Kato? Kato? Jason? I'm sure Steve remembers Kato. He actually came to Cleveland a couple of times for Comic Con.


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[Assistant] You watch Curb? No, but I know who that is. Yeah, alright. Anyway, so there you go. Alright though, but we do have a lot of sports topics to talk about today. Mikey, we'll go say hello to you for the first time. What's going on?


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[Assistant] The Browns and star running back Nick Chubb have agreed this was for me and Rappaport on a rework contract for 2024. What happened?


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[Assistant] Sources tell me Tom Pellisaro had a chance to earn it back. Uh, they basically cut it half.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we go. So, there you go. So 6 point, the gap, the cap hit is even less than half. Because the cap hit, even though his salary was going to be 12, his cap hit was going to be 15.85. Now it's 6.275. Obviously that's a significant difference, almost 10 million dollars there.


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[Assistant] I just don't. I wouldn't bet against them. I wouldn't bet against them, but the chances are slim. Well, you gotta, I mean, because they've signed so many guys this offseason, right, you, I mean, you added, well, I shouldn't say they signed so many, they signed two veteran running backs, and you already had Ford, right, and you already had


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[Assistant] Pierre Strong. Now, Pierre Strong can obviously be cut, but you signed Deontay Foreman and Naheem Hines. Now, neither one of those guys is making that much money that you couldn't cut either of them. Right.


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[Assistant] You've got options. You've got options, and my guess is if they were 100% confident Nick was going to be ready for week one. They wouldn't have done that.


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[Assistant] They didn't really have a great replacement for him either. If they had a great, I mean if Jerome Ford would have exploded last year and taken off with it.


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[Assistant] I think in 99% of cases, it's all about business. It's all about the bottom line. I think Nick Chubb, if there's any exception to the rule in Cleveland,


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[Assistant] It's Nick Chell. I agree with that. He is the best team, he's the best, he's the best of it all. I just think a lot of factors fell exactly the way they fall. Yes, there's no doubt. In order for this to happen. Yes. Because if he doesn't get hurt last year, what were we talking about in the summer?


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[Assistant] Because he's not getting all that money. Right. Well if he doesn't get hurt.


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[Assistant] Again, this could have gone much, much differently. So a lot of factors fell just the right way.


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[Assistant] I don't know what his age season will be, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Okay. And he hasn't had, like, listen, with running backs, they usually go off the cliff before they turn 30. The majority of them. Well. But I think to me,


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[Assistant] He didn't have a crazy amount of carries in college because he had knee surgery there, right? And the Browns haven't, you know, they haven't used them like the Titans used Derek Henry. No, they ain't running them.


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[Assistant] Although to be fair, early in his career, when Derek Henry first came to the NFL, he didn't play that as much in his first season or two. Who was he running bad?


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[Assistant] I don't know why in my head it said Lendale White, but that can't be true, right?


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[Assistant] Right. I think if I remember correctly, and I don't know if you could do this.


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[Assistant] It is not dead running back. But I'm telling you, if I remember correctly, Mike, he ran 110 times in his rookie year and I think his second year you said he had 176 carries.


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[Assistant] I bet the majority of them were the second half of the season, because if I remember correctly, the first half he was still getting just a few carries, and then I want to say like the last six weeks of his second year, he put up absurd numbers. I want to say he had like 800 yards in the last six games, am I right?


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[Assistant] If he looks like Nick Chubb again, then I'm all in. I'm sticking with him. Plus, I think it's, we don't even know what this offense is going to look like. Like we think, I think we have an idea what we think it's going to, but until you see it on the field.


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[Assistant] Now, Nick Chubb got off to a great start last year. He had a good game against the Bengals and he was playing well in that next game before obviously he got hurt. I think he averaged over 6 yards per carry in his limited carries.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so uhm, you know, we'll see. It's, it, it is, you're right. He's coming back from injury.


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[Assistant] Okay, so this is interesting. The two most important pieces on your offense are arguably Deshaun Watson and Nick Chubb. They're both coming off serious injuries.


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[Assistant] Or, or, and there's certainly the two biggest question marks heading into the season because of the injuries, and with Watson it's more than just the injuries, but they're the two biggest question marks. But the, you know, the, the scale of how good the Browns offense can be,


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[Assistant] Because, think about it, if Nick Chubb


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[Assistant] But I think we all believe that Jerry Judy has more upside, whether he'll ever reach it, who knows. But he was drafted in the first round for a reason, he's a talented guy. If those three guys all reach even close to as good as they can be,


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[Assistant] The Browns could have the best offense in the NFL, or one of the top, you know, five at the very least. Whereas,


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[Assistant] If, if Watson is the same guy that I've seen for the last few years, and Nick Chubb is looking like he's coming off injury, and Jerry Judy's the same guy he's been the last few years, they could be a mediocre offense.


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[Assistant] I mean that's a, that's a huge difference right there.


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[Assistant] And in reality, maybe it's somewhere in between. Maybe two of them.


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[Assistant] Are close to what their peak is and one is not or who knows.


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[Assistant] If Sean Watson plays anywhere close to where he was in Houston.


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[Assistant] And then we're not having a conversation probably about quarterback for at least a half a decade.


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[Assistant] Because if he's back to that guy, then eventually there's another extension and then you got your quarterback for the next half a decade at least. How many years he got after this year? Three, uh, two. This year then.


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[Assistant] Next year the conversation is all about what are you doing in quarterback. Yeaah. Because then you gotta start thinking. And that's, that's a conversation that we've had a lot in Cleveland, Jason, as you know. And we don't want to start having those conversations again.


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[Assistant] I thought we were done with those conversations. I certainly thought we were done with those conversations. But I think we all said the other day, do you expect Deshaun to


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[Assistant] Yes! And I said, do you expect him to be here in 2029? And you said no. And I said no.


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[Assistant] No. I thought you said no too. Wait, so. I was not here on Tuesday.


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[Assistant] Well, how old would he be by then, right? That's, that's six seasons from now. What's he gonna be, like 35?


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[Assistant] Absolutely. But Jason, if I told you that Deshaun Watson is lights out this year, that he's, that the guy at Houston that we were hoping we got, he finally arrived in year three and he's that guy. He's, he's him as the kids say today. Yeah, right? That's correct. That's so awkward when I say it.


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[Assistant] Yes. You think Patrick Holmes is going to be on Kansas City in 29? He ain't going, he under contract.


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[Assistant] If they let your Mark Chase get out the door, then I'm with you. My point. But I think they'll sign Chase and they'll, the Higgins will be gone.


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[Assistant] Put five names on the stadium. Who cares? Uh, go ahead, Mike. What do they call it now? Uh, Pay-Core Stadium. It could be Pay-Core Great American. Yea, right. Exactly. Keep jacking them up. Ohio Edison.


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[Assistant] Well, you can still call it that. Progressive's not paying us anything.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, when people say the names of stadiums as with the sponsor, like, we don't have to say it. I miss the gun arena. Why else are you gonna call it? That's the name. We can still call it the Jake. People would know what we're talking about. Can I call it the gun arena?


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[Assistant] Uhm, is it possible, it's not the Browns holding it up, but he, that he's holding it up? You think there's a chance of that? Cause he wants more money? Either wants, listen, he's won two Coach of the Year awards. I, I think that's...


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[Assistant] Not worth as much as it sounds, because it doesn't go to the best coach necessarily, it goes to the best coach of a team that wasn't expected to be good, or had trying circumstances.


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[Assistant] However, he still is 1-2 coach of the years, which means he's done a really good job two years in a row, or not in a row, but two years.


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[Assistant] Is it possible he's looking for more money? He may be frustrated with ownership and wants to keep his options open? Is there any chance of that? I don't think so. It's a fair question, but...


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[Assistant] Typically at that point the money is already agreed on. So I don't know. There's always language. There's buyout language. There's all kinds of things that can trip up negotiations or slow things down.


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[Assistant] I know Dan Gilbert used to put in Kev's coach's contracts, GM contracts, a stretch clause. If he fired you, you'd stretch your money out over X number of years. And so that type of language, it's the minutiae of that.


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[Assistant] Obviously the biggest one is the, is the dollars, the annual dollars. For Jimmy to come out the owner's meeting to say we're closed tells me that that part is done. So I don't think it's that. I think it's the minutiae language, the, the


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[Assistant] Right. I think that's why. Did you guys see, you weren't here when we played this, but uhm,


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[Assistant] There was the clip of Deshaun Watson interviewing Kevin Stefanski on his podcast. Did you see that? I saw a couple of them. And he, where he really, like, gave him his flowers. Yeaah, big time. I was, you know, and like, it's easy to say, oh, what's a player going to say? But he didn't have to go, he could have just, I mean, I don't think Kevin Stefanski was expecting Deshaun Watson to like,


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[Assistant] Chopping it up over film basically for 45 minutes on an iPad. It was just the two of them talking ball because


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[Assistant] And I think Stefanski can bury your hand in hand. Like, you're not gonna re-sign one and not the other, I would think. No, you would, you sh- I mean, they're on-


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[Assistant] And what I'll be curious too is, you know, not all extensions are the same, obviously money is different, but like sometimes you see a coach get a two-year extension, you're like, oh, well they, they, they're committed to them, but not that committed to them. Like I feel like Kevin Savansky and Andrew Berry, I'm giving them a five-year extension.


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[Assistant] If you're Kevin or AB, why would you take less? You got five when you came here. You had five because it's been such a...


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[Assistant] Alright, fair enough. You know, and this goes, and again, and the reason you want to see him sign a long extension is because it goes to something that I talk about all the time, guys, and that's


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[Assistant] You never know if a guy's a great coach, right? Like, you didn't know Andy Reid was a great coach by year two or three. You certainly didn't know Belichick was a great coach right away. The question is...


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[Assistant] Do I have a good coach? Yes. Because if I have a good coach...


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[Assistant] With enough time and consistency, there's a decent chance he'll become a great coach eventually. And so yeaah, you don't want to get stuck with a bad coach.


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[Assistant] And so yeah, but once you know a guy is good, I don't care if you think he's the third best coach or the tenth best coach in the league. Is he good? Yes. Is there reason to believe that if I give him more time, he's going to get better? Yes. Absolutely. And that's why you lock him up because if you lock both guys up for a five years on top of what you got,


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[Assistant] Well now there's complete stability in the organization for a decade, which this franchise has never had. Not since 39. Yea, not since it came back.


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[Assistant] And how many times have we talked about it? Everybody makes mistakes when you're new at your job, when you're first learning your job. You have to have the opportunity to learn from those mistakes, to grow, to get better, and go, boy, I really messed that up, I learned from that.


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[Assistant] Whether it's GMs and drafting, whether it's head coaches and how they structure a practice or run a team, you have to give them a chance to learn from their mistakes. That never happens in Cleveland. Everybody's fired in two or three years. That's right. Except for the Guardians.


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[Assistant] I think, I mean, and they know they really screwed up with Anthony Schwartz. They, they know, they, they know that. That was, that was a huge blunder, but in the end, you know, what are you going to do? All right, Michael. And by the way, one thing, one thing real quick, because I think this is a great comparison, an NFL coach and a little league coach. So I was mentioning,


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[Assistant] No, but seriously, I was mentioning that we had our first practice Tuesday night, and


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[Assistant] But now that I've been coaching for a couple years, I handled my first practice totally differently. And we did like different drills because I was like, here's what's worked the last two years.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Stephen Vogt yesterday was talking about


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[Assistant] Oh lord. I said, I said, I said, when do you start paying attention to it? He goes, I don't know, I've never done this before. But he said, he said around 100 at bats, but he's like,


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[Assistant] No, it's fine. I was making fun of you because usually when people talk about modern era, it's like since the 1950s or since the 1960s. For you, it's since 1999. It's the modern era.


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[Assistant] He wants no part of head coaching ever again. It was so bad here. It's too bad because I really liked him. And he wasn't a good head coach, but I actually think Pat Shermer is a good coach. He's just not a head coach. He's not a head coach. Yeaah. I mean, Stefanski's not a head coach.


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[Assistant] I think now is where we'll split. Okay. Those were pretty easy. Yeaah. I think those were easy. You could make a case for Shermer as OC, probably. Yeaah. Come on now. But we're judging them based on their time in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] I would, to be fair to these other guys, Jim Schwartz probably had more talent to work with than a lot of these other guys. For sure. Yes. 100%.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think Butch Davis would be a really good defensive coordinator. So it's on me now.


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[Assistant] Schwartz. Schwartz? You can't argue it.


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[Assistant] No way you could argue it. Any of those three would be fine. Alright, so Schwartz it is, Earl breaks the tie.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna throw a wrinkle. Eric Mangini. He was such an attention to


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[Assistant] No, but I think he'd be a phenomenal, he would be a phenomenal special team coach. I'm going, and what's his name, Bubba Ventrone's done a nice job and he's a good choice, but I'm going with a guy who was here and survived a lot of different regimes, Chris Taber.


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[Assistant] Although he picked Baker and that's a, that was a miss. That's a miss. I mean, and in fairness,


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[Assistant] He hired me. Actually, I think Phil Savage was pretty good, but he's not better than...


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[Assistant] Where they're at now. Yeah. So I, I would go, I'll say AB. I, I do think that there's other guys you can have in that discussion, but I would say AB. Yep. Andrew Berry it is.


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[Assistant] Certainly. And by next year, Bubba Ventrone could easily be on that list.


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[Assistant] Defensive line coach, well G. Bush said it's only putting cones out, so I'm going to vote for G. Bush as the defensive line coach.


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[Assistant] Uh, new deal and about the guardians, uh, with the big weekend coming up against the Yankees. We'll see you later. Mike, go ahead. Last football topic.


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[Assistant] That teams from the great state of Ohio have struggled to beat said head coach in recent years.


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[Assistant] Very true. Charges were actually on my list. Yea, me too. I told Mike, like, if we need variety, I could easily argue the charges for a lot of what you said. New head coach coming back.


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[Assistant] The first game is the most, like, variance, right? Like weird things can happen in week one in the NFL. That's why, give me the Giants, they suck!


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[Assistant] In week one at home, I could make a case for like the commanders on the road. They're not very good. Like get a road game out of the way early. You know, it gets the bad team. And plus also with the chargers, maybe you want to catch them in week one before they, before Harbaugh sort of gets his footing about being back in the NFL again.


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[Assistant] You went more competitive. I did. Thank you. In fact, I picked the opponent, don't put it up yet. The opponent I picked is better than both of these teams. Oh, you're wrong. See, here's the thing.


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[Assistant] We're probably all wrong, by the way, because they'll probably end up playing the Bengals, the Ravens, or the Steelers, week one, but... Yea, that's true.


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[Assistant] You're gonna get talked about a ton. The Chargers. Right off of week one. Chargers. The Chargers, baby. This team, you're getting way more talk. Show them, Mike. Dallas Cowboys.


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[Assistant] That's a home game too. Browns have a, on paper, a brutal schedule. Now, so does everybody else in the north pretty much, but.


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[Assistant] Not when it's warm in September. We need to take a UCSS trip to Vegas. To Vegas? Come on Steve! I've never been. Steve, get on that buddy!


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[Assistant] Sorry Mike, can you go back to the picture of the Ultimate Guardian show? We can't. Here's what it looks like.


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[Assistant] It looks like I'm excited about something inappropriate.


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[Assistant] Before we do the deep dive into the game, Bo Naylor, Josh Naylor, as you mentioned, both homered. And then they both got hits in the, to win the game in the last inning. Yeah. But it's the first time brothers have hit home runs in the same game for the same team since, anyone want to guess what year and who they were?


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[Assistant] 1985. I don't know the answer. Not that long ago. I'm gonna guess, oh, I would guess The Boons. Was it The Boons? No, not that long ago.


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[Assistant] The Uptons. Oh, the Uptons! Yeaah. Alright. I had forgotten that they played together for a little while. Yeaah. Man, B.J. Upton was so weird. Like that guy for a couple years was phenomenal. It was phenomenal. And then he went off the cliff. And kind of Justin Upton


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[Assistant] The Guardians have to come back down 5-0. They, they come back down 5-0 in the second game of the series. They end up losing. They come back down 5-0 in this game. I know it's the White Sox. You don't really want to be in a position against a terrible team like the White Sox to have to come back from 5.


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[Assistant] But I tell you what, this team has shown a ton of resilience offensively. And even though they didn't play a perfect series, far from it against the White Sox, in the end, four straight series wins to start the season. They've taken care of business.


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[Assistant] She's not too good start. He had a double and a homer. You know who else homered yesterday? Stephen Kwan. So did. He smoked that ball. So we'll see. I mean that's two. His career high is six. So clearly he's, he's struck out more. Zach and I were talking about that in the press box the other day. Zach said he's like, he's got eight strikeouts already.


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[Assistant] In terms of home runs per game, it's probably up a little now because they had three yesterday. Home runs per game, uh, let's see.


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[Assistant] Actually, and their percentage points away from their...


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[Assistant] Less than a hundredth of a percent behind Colorado and Seattle for a tie for 17.


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[Assistant] So, well they play in helium. Yes.


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[Assistant] I wonder, and again, you're right, he pitched poorly in his first start, but I wonder, because Bybee and Allen both pitched terribly this week, I wonder if some of that is, oh man.


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[Assistant] Uh, Bieber's hurt, we gotta do more. Like, are they...


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[Assistant] He's still really talented. I think he's gonna do great. I think he's gonna have a great year. Right. But two out of three starts now he's been knocked around quite a bit. And the two starts he's been knocked around about Oakland and Chicago. What was your bold prediction?


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[Assistant] I said a few days ago, when they were, in terms of runs per game, they were like third and home runs per game, they were 28th a couple of days ago.


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[Assistant] And that's not sustainable, right? You're not going to finish top five in runs of your bottom five in, in home runs. Usually. But you can beat top five in runs in the middle of the pack in home runs. The goal for the, in a perfect world, we'd love them to be a top five home run team. We know that's not going to happen. If they can be even close to the middle of the league,


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[Assistant] They're called swamp donkeys now. I just learned that. Swamp donkeys? When you crush a home run, it's a swamp donkey? That's what the kids call it. Swamp donkeys. I thought they were Pismas. That's also Pismas. No, the kid's kid. Like your kid. My kids. Swamp donkeys.


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[Assistant] What does that even mean? I have no idea. Never heard of it. Piss missiles is still absolutely a thing, but there's also such a thing. Piss missiles are like rockets. Bombs are swamped on.


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[Assistant] You got Jimenez in second. It feels like, okay, it's inevitable. With Jimenez in speed, you're going to score it. But Ramirez makes it out and does not get Jimenez to third.


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[Assistant] And so that's a, that's a tricky spot for Naylor. Yeaah. Because he doesn't know, is this guy gonna pitch around me? Is he gonna put me on? Right. I don't know. And he, that's a big at bat.


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[Assistant] Because if he doesn't get the hit there, I know they ended up doing more of that inning, but I think if Josh Nail doesn't get a hit,


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[Assistant] After Ramirez makes the out in the 10th, I bet they lose the game. That was a big time clutch hit by Naylor to tie it up, and then everybody else can relax, because you know the game's tied. Off of old buddy Grindshaw.


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[Assistant] We'll get to that later. That's crazy. I thought that, that Shaw, I thought they'd beat Shaw. I don't know why they didn't walk Naylor in that situation. Who was up after him? I don't remember.


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[Assistant] Why would you, like, Naylor is the second most dangerous hitter on the Guardians. Honestly, right now he might be the most dangerous hitter on the Guardians. But he's the second at worst. You set up a double play. Right. And, I mean, and, you know, and you set up a double play, and it's not like,


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[Assistant] We say, I think a lot of teams don't want to do that because you put the winning run on base. And they eventually ran for Naylor, but like,


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[Assistant] I don't know, man. I'm, I'm more, I'm trying, if I'm the road team, I can't worry about the, I, I gotta get that guy on second and not let him score. And I would way rather face Will Brennan with first and second and Josh Naylor with the runner on second. With the runner in scoring position. So I was surprised. I didn't like that move by the left side. It's gonna work for the Guardians. I also think, I think


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[Assistant] Brian Shaw has had some magnificent implosions. Oh, he stinks. I don't think he stinks. Oh, no, no, he stinks now. Well, yea, but I think- He was unfairly killed this time here. Yes, that's what I was going to say. I think the reputation was not fair to him. He had some memorable blowers. Oh, for sure. And that, and honestly, I get, Dustin,


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[Assistant] What are you talking about? Carrasco? He played for the Mets last year, not the Yankees.


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[Assistant] He's next up. Mackenzie will pitch in this series. It's Carrasco, Mackenzie, and I don't know.


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[Assistant] When, they're gonna bring up that fifth starter either Monday or Tuesday. Oh yeaah, I forgot about that. So it's, it's McKenzie, it's Carrasco, and it's, uh, It may have announced the problem.


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[Assistant] And it's Logan Allen. Yea, yea, right. That's right. He's only in four starters right now.


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[Assistant] That's what it is, that's what they did. Logan Allen's gonna go Sunday, and then Monday, they'll either go, they'll either go Bybee Monday, and then have whoever they call up pitch Tuesday or vice versa. How did, how did, uh,


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[Assistant] And only one strike out. Yeaah, I didn't see what, uh, Curry did yesterday. I'm looking it up right now. By the way, I was talking about this, I don't know if you've paid attention. Have you seen what this Orioles AAA lineup has been doing? Zach and I were talking about it. It's insane. It's a manually lined up. Yeaah, well their OPS is like over a thousand. Now they just called Matt Holiday up. Right. Uh, Jackson. Jackson Holiday. Yeaah, their farm system is filthy. With the hitters, I mean it's just insane. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] One of their other young kids, kid who plays second base, uh, he hit one over the monster like in center field. Oh really? I didn't see that. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] The Yankees rotation is not great. Their bats have been excellent to start the season. I give them credit. I picked them not to make the playoffs again this year. It's way, way early, but so far they swept the Astros.


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[Assistant] They took, uh, I think two out of three. Metta swept the Arizona, took two out of three against Arizona. So they've already beaten a couple good teams lately. They've been playing the Marlins, those they lost yesterday. But obviously they got some really, you know, dangerous hitters who at the moment are healthy. I pick against them because I think they're an injury-prone team and an old team.


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[Assistant] There wasn't a lot of swing and miss. The velocity was up a tick, but there was not a lot of swing and miss. He had better command of his four seam. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you make a mistake against Soto, or Judd, or Stanton, it's a problem.


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[Assistant] Take the over whenever he pitched. I'll give you a little bit of a tease. Zach and I had a tremendous conversation with Tristan. Oh, he's the best. About everything going on with him right now. Yeaah. It'll run next week. Check it out on the Athletic. It'll be really good.


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[Assistant] You're getting good at this. He was great. He was a good team. He was very vulnerable. He was very vulnerable. I know we say this about the Cavs a lot and then we, you know, we're like who cares because they're soft.


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[Assistant] The Guardians, like the Cavs, have a lot of nice guys. Yeaah. But they're not soft like the Cavs, I don't think. What's wrong with you? The Cavs are soft! Is that new?


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[Assistant] You can't, it has to happen organically. Yes, he's right. The dog pound died when they knocked down that crapple of an old stadium. But it was our crapple. Let's have that conversation. It was a crapple, but it was our crapple.


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[Assistant] Seven Americans or seven non-Canadians? I guess what else would it be?


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[Assistant] Let the, let the best people play. Now those CFL records matter if you don't have Americans out.


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[Assistant] What's on your mind? I think we should put a poll real quick in the chat if they want Hayden Grove to sing on the show.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think the Bucks have the tiebreaker over the Cavs. The Cavs cannot end up as high as the 2.


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[Assistant] But I think they, I believe, Mike, correct me if I'm wrong, that they could still, with two games to go, finish as high as the three, and as low as the seven,


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[Assistant] I think it's seven because on the standing sheet it has an X next to the Bucks and Knicks, which means they have clinched a playoff spot.


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[Assistant] So, because doesn't Philly have the tiebreaker over the Cavs?