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[Assistant] But let's keep the brown strain rolling after a quick ad break.


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[Assistant] We do have an Ultimate Cav show, and that is at 5 o'clock. Jason will be live from Progressive Field. A little change of pace.


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[Assistant] Fix the Cavs and whether or not it's possible in the final three regular season games. And we're also going to rank the top 10.


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[Assistant] But he was there and I wasn't, so I may defer to the OG on this one. I don't like giving Jason props when he's right, but... I usually am.


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[Assistant] We'll see how that one goes. Make sure y'all tune in at five o'clock. If you missed it, Bull and Zach went live at 10 a.m. this morning on the Ultimate Guardian Show. So you have two Ultimate Shows coming at you guys today on the UCSS channel after we wrap up here at one o'clock. Ultimate Cast though, five o'clock. We'll see you guys then. All right, Greg Newsome. The Browns have a decision to make by May 2nd.


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[Assistant] They have to decide whether or not to pick up their former first round picks fifth round option. Or fifth year option, excuse me. If they do decide to pick it up,


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[Assistant] His calorie cap number will be 13.37 million next year, which ranks in between 15 and 20 in the league, right in that range for an average annual salary at 13.37 million. Tyvis, you played DB in the league, so I'll start with you here.


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[Assistant] Should the Browns pick up Greg Newsom's fifth year option or let him play out this season without picking it up, which would be his final year on his current deal.


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[Assistant] And you guys are, you guys all made great points and I agree you 100% picked this up without question for two reasons. First one being, there are certain positions you can never have enough depth at. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Cornerback is one of them, it's at Tyrus's point, Denzel is not a beacon of health. No offense.


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[Assistant] Either, either way, it's a position that goes through injuries, it just happens, it's part of the game.


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[Assistant] So depth of that position is crucial. And two, for the Browns to reach the Super Bowl, not win the Super Bowl, just to reach the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] They have to get through some combination of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Shroud. That might be your five best quarterbacks in all of football right there by the way. Herbert.


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[Assistant] Lawrence, I'm probably forgetting someone else, uh. Russ.


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[Assistant] And what is the best way to stop a prolific offense? You have guys who can cover one on one, so guys like Myles Garrett and Zedarius Smith and whoever else they bring in off the defensive line can get pressure on the quarterback and wreak havoc in the backfield. So to me, this is a no-brainer. And even if you do give them that $13.37 million,


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[Assistant] 50 year option. And pull up the cornerbacks that are making similar money to what Greg News would make if they do indeed pick up his 50 year option.


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[Assistant] 13.37 puts you right in the same conversation with Chevarious Ward, Jamel Dean, Darius, Cheeto Awuzie. Those are all good quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Good cornerback 2. I don't think he's a CB1. He's a good cornerback 2. He's a cornerback 3 on this roster. And you're not paying Martin Emerson yet, which can allow you to overpay for your CB3 in this scenario because CB2 is not getting paid. It's a no brainer. You have to pick this up.


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[Assistant] But they, they're bases of 4-2-5. Oh yea, I mean the whole NFL is 4-2-5. I would just ask here, just for, just for Don Martin's outside. To Jason's point though, like, he does play slot, but he has the positional versatility to move outside if needed. He's also a guy you draft in the first round. To Jason's point, you want to do right by your own guys.


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[Assistant] And he's also a really good football player. Now he gets overlooked here because of the emergence of how good Martin Emerson's been in his first two seasons. Because Denzel Ward when he's on the field is a top 5-6 cornerback in all of football.


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[Assistant] And yes, sometimes when you leave them on an island like we saw against Houston in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] He can be taken advantage of by the top receivers in football, but for his specific role on this Cleveland Browns defense,


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[Assistant] As a guy to cover guys from the slot and take away your number two or three option depending on how the offensive formation is set.


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[Assistant] There aren't many cornerbacks capable of doing what he does at the level he does. So for 13.37 mil, whatever the actual number is, maybe it's a slight overplay for a slot corner.


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[Assistant] But the combination of him and Martin Emerson who's on a third round draft pick salary still, that combination is pennies for a great team.


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[Assistant] So if you do do it, and then decide, alright, Cam Mitchell's next up, and you gotta move, you can still trade him next year.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this before we move on to our next topic. What we've seen from Greg Newsom through three seasons.


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[Assistant] What's the one area you think this offseason he needs to improve upon the most? To be, I don't want to say worth that fifth year option pick up, but to improve his game to a point.


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[Assistant] So on agreement, Browns, it's an easy decision. May 2nd is the deadline. Listen us. Go smart guys. Pick us a 5th year option.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Ed, just keep in mind, if you said no to that, what was your reasoning to say? No, I'm just really curious.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he was on Good Morning Football. They asked him, which team are you most excited about entering 2024? And here's his answer.


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[Assistant] So when this clip came out, a lot of the initial replies were...


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[Assistant] Oh no, too many people are hyping up the Browns. There's too much hype on the Browns bandwagon too early. We don't know about the draft picks, we don't know about the Sean Watson.


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[Assistant] Is this too much too early? And my initial response to that guys was, do you know who's scared of expectations? And do you know who is worried about too much hype? Losers. That's who. You think the chiefs?


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[Assistant] You think when LeBron was here in Cleveland, they were shying away from the expectation that they should be the front runner to win the NBA title. The only teams who are scared of preseason expectations and too much proverbial offseason hype are teams that frankly aren't that good. I want all the smoke.


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[Assistant] For the Browns, I want them in Brazil. I want them in China in week two. I want them in Japan. I want them on a world stage. I want every eyeball on this planet, all seven billion sets of eyes, to be watching the Browns each and every Sunday when they play football. I want the expectations. You know why? Because the Browns should want them too. If you know you're good, what are you scared of? And I think this Browns team can be damn good in 2024.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, Patrick Peterson and Peter Schrager and Kyle Brand and anyone else in the national media. Bring on the hype for the Browns. Cause I think they could be good.


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[Assistant] So I'm not scared of any preseason hype or preseason expectations. That's the kind of smoke I want. Jason?


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[Assistant] Alright Thomas, what do you think about preseason expectations? You played, did you, did you, uh, did you welcome the preseason hype? Did you like having those type of expectations in during a season? You were at Ohio State, so clearly you guys had them.


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[Assistant] Real quick, you mentioned the home roads, but you like being the villain. Do you think that comes from playing in a school like Ohio State where you were every opponent's?


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[Assistant] Who are in a position where they have to play well this season. I'll use Deshaun for an example. You know, when he was at Clemson.


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[Assistant] It wasn't like expectations, especially preaches and expectations weren't heaped upon his teams. He won a national championship. They were expected to repeat.


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[Assistant] They're guys up and down this roster on offense and defense. Not everyone was in a situation similar to Ohio State or Clemson for Deshaun.


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[Assistant] But it's not like these guys are foreign and unaccustomed to having.


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[Assistant] Even last year, we thought this team was gonna be pretty good. I don't think we thought they'd win 11 games with four different quarterbacks and five from Count Jeff Driscoll, but...


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[Assistant] This isn't a new situation for them, and hopefully to Jason's point, they've learned some lessons in those past.


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[Assistant] Can I ask you a question as a former player? So the two miraculous things about the Browns last year.


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[Assistant] They also won 11 games despite leading the league in turnovers, which never happens. You lead the league in turnovers, you're typically drafting the top 5 of the draft. That is a trait of a bad football team.


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[Assistant] Part of the reason they had so many turnovers was the quarterback play. So they're, they're tied, tied together. That's not exclusively one and exclusively the other. It's a combination of the both. But when you look forward to 2024, Tyvis, you would hope.


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[Assistant] So what's, I'm not asking you to predict a number, but you go from leading the league, where do the Browns need to be in 2024 to be a true contender? Middle of the pack? You know, bottom 10?


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[Assistant] That made him take checkmiles. That's what I'm getting to. The show hasn't played since that happened. Or he's played the 12 games, but he sat out.


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[Assistant] Sat out, came back. When he was in Houston, he was a guy that was pushing the ball downfield.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying, he was taking deep shots, he was pushing the ball downfield. He wasn't, he's always cautious with the football. His turnover numbers, and especially interception numbers, always historically low. 33 touchdowns, 7 picks his last full season at Houston.


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[Assistant] We haven't seen him have to adapt in a full season to the kind of new era of defense in the NFL where it's a lot of too high safety, dink and dunk, we're gonna make you play.


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[Assistant] 10, 11, 12 play drives instead of giving you the big chunk play.


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[Assistant] I feel like we have to go through and rewatch throw by throw in the Ravens game specifically to see if, alright, that was a designed short route that he was looking for in his first progression. Was he looking deep? Alright, read one's not there, read two's not there, pressure's coming, let me dunk it down.


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[Assistant] I hadn't really thought of it until you were explaining something earlier to Ivess, but...


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[Assistant] It's just a different era of defensive football since the last time we had seen Deshaun 100% healthy at the peak of his powers.


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[Assistant] On a week in, week out basis, dominate against.


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[Assistant] It's not a new era of defense, but a new kind of defensive philosophy seen across the league. Like we know he had dominated the previous one.


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[Assistant] Let's welcome in Keith Sanchez now of the Locked On Network. He's one of their draft experts. Keith is a 2019 national champion with the LSU Tigers. And Keith, before we get into the draft stuff, your story's fascinating. I was doing a little research this morning. I read an article the Athletic had written on you in 2021. You were a player personnel assistant, I guess would be the position with LSU.


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[Assistant] Then you went to law school to kind of figure out how you navigate the NIL world. And I'm just curious, have you, have you graduated law school and kind of where are you up to now in that step in the journey?


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[Assistant] Also, we're thrilled to have you on the show, Keith. Appreciate you making some time. Let's talk a little Browns and what they'll do.


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[Assistant] Kinda predict what's gonna happen in the first 53 picks to know who the Browns will take at 54, but


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[Assistant] In your mind if the draft were to play out perfectly for Cleveland.


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[Assistant] What route would you go if you were Andrew Berry with the 54th pick? A running back, a receiver, offensive tackle, defensive lineman, if all the cards fell right?


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[Assistant] What would be the ideal A-grade situation for the Browns at 54?


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[Assistant] Uh, non-browns question, but just a evaluation question, Keith. When you look at quarterbacks, the NFL over the last 20 years,


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[Assistant] Frankly, isn't good at drafting quarterbacks. There's like a 40% success rate on first round quarterbacks. Whether or not they turn out to be any good or just out of the league in a couple years.


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[Assistant] You've recruited quarterbacks at a high school and looked at different traits and abilities and.


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[Assistant] The mental makeup, you're now doing it from the college level to the pros.


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[Assistant] What do you look at as some of the most important characteristics a quarterback can have?


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[Assistant] That translates from success, or translates to success, excuse me, from the collegiate level to the pro level.


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[Assistant] Keith, we'll get you out of here on this, but your National Champion 2019 with LSU Coach O was the head coach of that team. And, uh, he's quite the character. So I was just curious if you had a Coach O story you might be able to share with us before we let you go to that.


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[Assistant] Awesome. Keith, we appreciate you joining us. Make sure you check out Keith Sanchez on the Lockdown NFL Draft Show and the NFL Draft Network. Keith, appreciate you coming on and best of luck in the future, man.


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[Assistant] I think it is worse, like there's no one in there that scares you whatsoever. They're two best players, at least they're hitters. Jimenez and Luis Robert Jr. both out.


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[Assistant] He got hit pretty hard yesterday. They just hit the ball right at players in the outfit or the infield and that's a little worrisome.


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[Assistant] But at the end of the day, he did throw five and two-thirds innings pitch. He did not give up any runs. He walked more batters than he gave up hits. So you'll take that from him every day of the week.


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[Assistant] Or if he just frankly got really lucky at the White Sox lineup, it's truly abysmal, because they hit the ball hard a couple times right at guys, and if that's instead of Andrew Benapendi in the first spot,


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[Assistant] And Aaron Judger, Juan Soto, who we'll face next time around. And those guys are swinging at some of those pitches he left hanging.


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[Assistant] I'm not quite sure it's a 280 degree, or a 280 foot pop up, and not a 420 foot bomb into the upper right field deck. So, it's a positive in the step direction, uh, a step in the right positive direction. He looked better in start 2 than he did in start 1. I still didn't think he looked great yesterday.


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[Assistant] Which does give me some concern moving forward because as we talked about yesterday with the Shane Bieber issue,


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[Assistant] Almost all too inevitable that we know the outcome of this story before we were in that chapter three of it. And that sucks. Ty, what's what you make of it?


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[Assistant] He threw five and two thirds of shutout baseball.


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[Assistant] The reality is when we talk about bad lineups, the White Sox have now scored 16 runs in 10 games. Like 16 runs in 10 games as a team. 1.6. That is the lowest through 10 games since baseball started tracking this in like 1952. So that's a horrific and I mean horrific


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[Assistant] But you'll take it. And Jason, you were there. I mean, did it feel in the moment of actually being in the presence? That it was fool's gold? Or did it feel legit?


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[Assistant] The guy in the Marlins, uh, yeah.


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[Assistant] Jeff Passon of ESPN, their baseball chef, there wrote an article on that this morning about the number of guys who are Cy Young caliber.


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[Assistant] All-star, and then just good starter. That in the last year and a half.


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[Assistant] Uh, but how the, whatever the elbow issues that...


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[Assistant] There's no kind of middle ground. And he ended his article. I highly suggest you reading it. He unlocked it. It's free on ESPN.com. We'll say, I don't know what the answer is. And I'm not quite sure there is an answer.


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[Assistant] From a viewer perspective, game moves like this. It does, I'm telling you. I love watching it, but I also don't love watching triple and double A pitchers.


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[Assistant] I wanna see Spencer Strider. Strider. I wanna see Shane Bieber. I wanna see Shohei Otani pitch. And I'm not sure what the trade-off is to make the game more fun from a viewer perspective from TV.


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[Assistant] To also making sure your best players are on the field to provide said entertainment.


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[Assistant] One last thing that Passen mentioned and we'll kind of go to the other parts of the game, but every pitcher stone, every pitch gets a 3-2 count in game 7 of the World Series now. Like every fastball is 98-99 miles an hour. Every slider, even on a 1-0 count, is being thrown with max velocity and intent.


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[Assistant] He's a Clevelander guy too, which I learned recently, but he's like, that could be putting the unnecessary pressure on the elbow. Instead of throwing 20 max pitches per game, over a course of 180 pitches, he's throwing 75 to 80.


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[Assistant] Like it's just a complete flip of philosophy on how you pitch, when you throw your best stuff. Every pitch now is just 100% max. As hard as humanly possible, as much spin rate as humanly possible.


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[Assistant] But it is incredible, and we hope McKenzie stays healthy. The Guardian seems to stay healthy. They don't have a ton of death behind them. We talked about it yesterday. The options to replace Shane Bieber, whether it be a free agency or call-ups, like their top prospects are Hurt, Cantillo, and Espino.


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[Assistant] Uh, some other things from the game yesterday though. Stephen Kwan continues to be scorching hot at the plate. He has three three-hit games in his last four. He has four three-hit games in his first ten.


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[Assistant] That ties a franchise record with some guys. You ready to hear these names? Other Cleveland baseball players with four 3-hit games in their first 10. Reggie Jefferson in 93. I remember.


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[Assistant] Chris Speaker in 1922 and Bill Bradley in 1904. That's the five Guardians Indians players who have ever had four three-hit games in their first ten. He's at three? He has four now. He has three in his last four, four in his first ten.


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[Assistant] He's tied for second in Major League Baseball and hits this season. The three guys ahead of him, all Dodgers, who have played two extra games. Mookie Betts. Mookie Betts is tied with him. Shohei actually leads the league and hits.


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[Assistant] And it's not a bad strategy, but they offer early saying, you're not making anything now, here's 50 million.


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[Assistant] Who's the last legit starting pitcher? And maybe it's, maybe it might be Garrett Cole and he might be going through it right now. But I'm trying to think of the last guy who's been Cy Young caliber. Robbie Wright was another guy that I forgot to mention who hasn't had to get Tommy Don at some point. Like who's had a, Strider's 25 years old.


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[Assistant] So it was a really impressive home opening win for the Guardians. They obviously beat the White Sox 4-0 back at it today. Last thing on the Guardians, Jose hit a two run homer.


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[Assistant] Oh, I have like seven in tag board, he could home all up. But yeah, that was, uh, that was a hell of a home run last night. And it seemed like Jay mentioned it, uh, in the pregame hit he did with us.


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[Assistant] Either way, there's gonna be more of a draft and that was a hell of a shot. And it looked like it carried. Just from the TV angle, it looked like it carried.


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[Assistant] It's the first one we've seen at, obviously the first home game, but first opportunity to see it again.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get a read, let's talk a little Caz before we wrap up with some super chats and we'll talk national championship and overtime.


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[Assistant] Alright, we'll talk Cavs for a few minutes. The Ultimate Cavs show tonight at 5 o'clock. We'll touch on some different stuff, but the Cavs are limping towards the playoffs right now.


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[Assistant] They have a home game on Wednesday against Memphis, Friday against Indiana and Sunday against Charlotte to wrap up the regular season.


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[Assistant] Right now, Jason, barring what appears to be a catastrophic shift.


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[Assistant] In the thought process within the franchise and a run to the finals, there will most likely be some wholesale changes throughout the organization. Borrowing that kind of run.


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[Assistant] Can you foresee a situation where David Bittenstaff is still the head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers in 2024-2025?


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[Assistant] I know, I, I, yeah, I, I didn't word that right. I was trying to get the exact question of how Ant worded it in the chat.


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[Assistant] Listen, I got some stats. Okay. And there's one in particular that stands out to me when you look at JB's overall tenure. You go throughout his career. Now he coached in Houston, he's been a coach in Memphis, been a coach for the Cavs. He has seven seasons being a NBA head coach.


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[Assistant] Good things. So this is just, this is big pay, it takes it all into account.


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[Assistant] His record before the All-Star Break. His career record. All his stops combined. So all seven stops before the All-Star Break. In seasons before the All-Star Break.


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[Assistant] You'll see the comparison in a sec though. Before the All-Star break, his teams Memphis, Houston, and Cleveland. 146 and 151 before the All-Star break. Okay.


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[Assistant] Six out of seven years he's been a head coach. His teams have had a worse win percentage.


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[Assistant] After the All-Star Break that they had prior, which means they're not finishing the season strong. You want to be playing your best basketball in April and March, heading into the postseason, not in December and January, which has been the case this year. They're going that 18-2 stretch.


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[Assistant] There are 11 and 16 in the last 27 games. It has not been in-


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[Assistant] Uh, it has not been the way they want to end the season. They've had injuries. There's a million different contextual components you can bring to this. The schedule is more difficult. The reality of the situation is they are 11 and 16 in the last 27. They rank in the bottom 10 in both offensive and defensive rating, uh, net ratings since the All-Star break. They haven't been good enough. And there are different coaches who are good at different things.


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[Assistant] And I think J.B. Bickerstaff, and he reminds me a lot of Kenny Atkinson with the Nets, before they ended up getting Kevin Durant and Kyrie.


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[Assistant] Coaches have different coaching styles that resonate with different kinds of players.


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[Assistant] And I think JB was the right coach for this team back in 2020 and 2021 when you had Darius who was up and coming. And you had Jared Allen trying to find his way.


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[Assistant] A good starter coach, where he coaches guys hard, he demands they play defense, he practices hard, and he expects his veterans to practice hard.


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[Assistant] And that doesn't always necessarily mesh with guys who are more established in the league.


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[Assistant] And there are guys who come from different situations who are used to practicing and doing things one way.


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[Assistant] So there are certain coaches that with certain teams can take you to a level that then you need another coach to take you to the next level. And I go back to the Warriors. Mark Jackson was the assembler.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying someone can come in and take this current Cavs roster and do the same thing that Steve Turner did when he replaced Mark Jackson.


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[Assistant] But I'm just not sure if JB Bickerstaff has the right coaching philosophy for the current mesh of players they have on this team. If that's a fair enough way to put it.


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[Assistant] Listen, JB didn't go 1 for 13 down the stretch against LA. They got some good looks there in that stretch, and they missed shot after shot after shot, and a bunch of those were shots that you would hope players of the caliber who were shooting would make.


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[Assistant] That's not all on JB. Now he's certainly part of the equation of why they've been so frustrating and disappointing down the stretch. But to put it all on one person, I think is an unfair evaluation of why this Cavaliers team right now isn't as good as we hoped it would be with three games left in the regular season.


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[Assistant] The num- sorry to cut you off, but just the numbers on that, and I want you to continue, the numbers tell a different story than what your eyes tell you. The numbers actually with those two on the court, going back to last season, it's like, good net rating.


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[Assistant] Offensive rating through the roof. Defensive rating, not that bad, but you watch it and it doesn't match up. And that's one of the few instances where I love numbers. You guys know me, I love stats.


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[Assistant] I don't believe the stat on that one. I don't care what the net rating says. I don't care what the line up tracking says.


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[Assistant] I understand they have to play together with this construction of the team, but I just don't think it's a long-term viable, like, backboard that you want to build around.


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[Assistant] He's the only one right now that truly knows what he wants. He's not gonna give us any inkling, any crumbs. He had a chance after Dan Gilbert made the comments last week to say...


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a good chance. He said I'm not recombining this one way or another.


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[Assistant] No comment you could say is as telling as a actual comment, but he's not gonna tip his hand either way, Tybus. Uh, and we got some super chats to wrap up here.


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[Assistant] They're gonna have to make a cut on someone you would assume that they've already resigned. They have a deep, deep, deep...


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[Assistant] Would you be more surprised if the Browns traded up in this draft a couple spots or traded back significantly? Surprise?


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[Assistant] I don't care if it's 54 to 53, I would be shocked. How many picks do they have?


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[Assistant] That would surprise me. I said this a couple days, er, a couple weeks ago, but because this is the COVID draft,


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[Assistant] There's not a lot of guys that fit into Andrew Berry's proverbial age guideline draft, uh,


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[Assistant] Rail, whatever the line, rail liners, because of how old and depleted the second half of this draft is.


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[Assistant] I think if you're gonna make a move, go get your guy you want in a second, call it a day. Whether it's one or two guys, come out with two studs, feel good about it.


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[Assistant] Like, it's not a joke, like legit tops. They don't have the roster spots. And we're doing overtime.


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[Assistant] Listen man, listen, I had to, uhm, I was gonna make an OJ joke, but we got into something serious, so I'm not gonna make it anymore. I'm just over here, just look. If I show up outside your house, it might be because you owe me a debt of some sort.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't, I don't, but see nowadays, nowadays I don't, I just give like, uh, gambling advice.


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[Assistant] Eh, listen, listen. Here's the thing. Shout out to JT, man. One of my best friends in the world, man. You know what I'm saying? JT, he was one of the white guys that was just a country white guy that used to hang around like all the black people, right? Could he pull it off?


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[Assistant] White men get their haircut by the same person. Each and every time.


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[Assistant] It's the same, and, and, and they know, they're like, yo, but don't, don't touch my fronts like that. I got a calic right here, it's a swirl back here, and I got a little, and it usually is a woman. They're like, yeah, I got a Susie. Susie's been cutting my hair for, since, since I was 12 years old. She knows how to get me together.


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[Assistant] Then he was like, yo, then, then we used to get, he'd say, yeah, summertime's coming around, boys. He's a boat guy too. Summer rounds coming around, he had to get his little tips done. I said, what you mean you get your tips done? Frosted tips? Yeah, this was- Wow, country boy with frosted tips. And I said, listen bro, this is unacceptable. Now, McNuggets will know, like,


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[Assistant] It is not acceptable for, for white males to flaunt their wealth.


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[Assistant] Wait, is that, is that a sign of affluence?


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[Assistant] What? Crusted tips? No, no, no. That's just, that's just what they, what we...


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[Assistant] And we visited his sister and his brother-in-law. And then it was the first time I was like, hold on, this is different, this is a different level.


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[Assistant] You saw how country boys get down on the water. That's different.


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[Assistant] Oh, listen, a lot of Millers. A lot of Millers. Listen, we down there doing it, but then we went to his brother-in-law's house. Shout out to Pat, by the way. They had the underneath, though. Oh, really? I said, whoa, what do you mean? You got compartments down there?


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[Assistant] Yes, I hear a chico down there sleeping. I said, haha, I might sleep on the water.


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[Assistant] That you don't even, like, you don't, they just there, you don't. You don't wear them every day. No. Just going out. No, them is going out jeans. Oh, oh, I didn't know there was a difference. And those going out jeans can easily morph, right? We go out in Jordans, that's not it. You're not gonna go out in Jordans. Where's your, where's your loafers at? Oh, it needs


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[Assistant] You ain't got no loafers. And in the summertime back in the day, where's your American Eagle sandals? Where they at? Where the open toes joints, right? Right.


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[Assistant] That's not true. Shout out to Phenomenal Barbershop at Lakewood. You know, I run ads for it. Shout out to them.


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[Assistant] He can go to a barber shop and they have a butt naked push where you can just give volume all of a sudden.


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[Assistant] See, Mikey could be, he had, like right there, that's low. He could get a little, if he wanted to get that going out volume, he could get his tops higher. Who's the dude that used to be on WKYC? Shout out to him. Austin Love. Austin Love.


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[Assistant] And you decide, we gotta taper you though. We want you to taper it down. We want you to look like Tommy in Power. That's the size that we're trying to-


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[Assistant] So more money available. Yes. So say for instance, like they, like they want more money available to themselves today, like, and they wanted to go out and get somebody or trade for somebody.


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[Assistant] They can say, okay, well Deshaun, uhm, we can restructure your contract. We'll give you some more upfront money today and, uh, we'll kick that contract down the road.


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[Assistant] And we'll have more money today to spend on somebody else. Now for me...


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[Assistant] I always find this is very funny, right? Because, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm teen.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when you have a league that controls themselves, there's nobody that tells them what they can raise the salary cap to. There's nobody.


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[Assistant] Yes. They don't arbitrarily pick a number. They don't arbit, but there's nobody that, that stands over them saying, now listen, you better not go over 216 million or whatever the case may be.


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[Assistant] And back in the day we used to have these nice TI-86 calculators. They banned them from now. And I was like, well listen, let me just hang out with the people who program these things so I can just plug the formula in and just get the numbers out. They came up with a nice little way to shut people like me down. It's like, listen, it's called show your work.


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[Assistant] It's like you need to turn in that scrap sheet of paper along with that. The reason I'm saying that is math, you can make math say anything.


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[Assistant] Right? You can make, like, the Browns are really good at making money disappear and money appear. They seem to be. And I always ask, you tell me the person the Cleveland Browns could not get or had to cut because they didn't have the money.


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[Assistant] The restructure of Watson's deal is always, it's a trump card. It's like playing, it's like playing space, Earl. That's the big joker.


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[Assistant] Or, like, the thing about it, like, so,


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[Assistant] So, you know, I do a lot of research. I'll be in the weeds with different things.


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[Assistant] When people talk about the national debt, they compare it to households all the time. Sure. But that's not a true comparison because, you know, when you're a household. Well, the national debt is different. It's different.


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[Assistant] And people believe that your tax, everything that we have is funded by your tax dollars. And it's not, there's not enough tax dollars to go borrow.


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[Assistant] I don't think there's a day of reckoning for either one. I do believe that if you are not a sovereign country, you don't print your own money. We print our own money and our debt is in our own money, majority.


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[Assistant] If revenue gets cut, that's it. That's the only thing that can affect it. But DNFL has shown that revenue has consistently gone up. Yes. And so you may say, well look,


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[Assistant] We don't know whether or not the NFL, from an economic standpoint, can keep counting on gains after gains after gains after gains, right? But, the TV deals keep going up, it's the most popular sport, and as you keep doing that, the players are like, okay, well look, that's why they're willing to pay those 18 games, because they're gonna get part...


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[Assistant] And this is what we're getting? He made a decision. Here's what happened. You cannot buy a championship in this league. You can't. It's proven. Hey, you know what? You can never, you can never really outgun a salesman. He got to be a billionaire for a reason, right? He tried it the regular way, Jay.


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[Assistant] He said, let's tank, tear it down to the studs. We'll get, we'll go out and draft these guys. We got three first round picks. We'll draft the quarterback. We'll try to build around the quarterback and get him under a rookie deal and do it the regular traditional way. They were halfway there. They was almost there. They made the playoff run.


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[Assistant] And right when it got time to give the quarterback that money, everything fell apart. It did. And so he said, listen, I'll be damned.


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[Assistant] I tried it your way. I'm gonna try it the only way I know.


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[Assistant] That money got us Depp. That money said we're not going to give up. There's a lot of teams that gave up last year. They said play DTR. They go out and get Flacco. They give him an incentive base


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[Assistant] My thing is, and I'm looking at it like this man, it's, you know, he has the coach of the year two times in a row.


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[Assistant] Like, obvious, I don't know why he hasn't got a contract yet, but at the end of the day, and he has these guys that's put in a position to, to spend more money and to get more money and to flip the cap in their, in their direction. I think of it like this. He tried it one way and you got to a place where you had a roster that you thought was ready-made to win with no quarterback.


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[Assistant] And so he was the only one willing to be like, well, listen, I know what y'all saying. Y'all can't do it this way. Let's make the trade to go get Deshaun Watson. Now, if for most, the Deshaun Watson thing hasn't worked out to the, to the best of disability.


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[Assistant] Holler at me when you get a third of the games out of the way. Yeaah. Then we'll make some sweeping and uh, you know, look at the dude who needs your being.


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[Assistant] Eric, uhm, you know, I want to go to a bigger picture. Uhm, you know, you look at it, you know, I've been watching it, and you know, over, I think the last decade, velocity has gone up, you know, almost every single year in terms of pitchers. Uhm, obviously they do have the pitch clock and the people have talked about the unintended consequences of that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what do you make of all of the elbow injuries with pictures? Is that something due to?


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[Assistant] You know, just the physical limits of how fast you can throw a baseball and how quickly you're going to get up and throw another fastball that's over 100 miles an hour. What do you make of that? And we have Shane Bieber here. Is that something that you've heard whispers in the Yankees organization and other organizations as well?


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[Assistant] I'ma go with, uh, I'ma go with, uh, I'ma go with Watson. He's a quarterback. He got weapons.


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[Assistant] They got the coach of the year, they got a good defense, they got a better chance of having a better record, and half the battle is having a really good record. Half the battle is having a really good record. And stats. And stats. Mobly, I don't even have, I don't think he has the skill set to get that off.


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[Assistant] Well, he gonna have to get nice guy, that nice guy 15 points a game and get no votes.


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[Assistant] But I don't see him as an MVP. He don't have, like, he had to be honest. To be a big. You know what's stunning to me? I know.


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[Assistant] People have been talking about the demise of Amari Cooper for about two years. And all he does is keep going out there putting up 1,200 yards. And it don't look like he's falling off. Darius Garland on the other hand, uhm,


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[Assistant] It looks like his game is different. I don't know what happened to him this year. Uhm, I've heard some things. He's been going through some things off the court a little bit. Uhm, but in terms of the clock ticking,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I think the whole situation with Donovan Mitchell and figuring out what they're gonna do is gonna be tough. I think Darius Garland is their biggest piece they can move. I think this might be it. Especially if they, especially if they get bounced early. I'll answer it based on


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[Assistant] Because, see, see, the way the Guardians do, the Guardians is not in the business. I'm assuming Steven Vogt took a substantial pay cut from Tito.


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[Assistant] What about Eric? Wait, how long was that? Couple, maybe four. Now listen, he come in here and be playing around, shucking and chiving, and they win 60 games right here. No, that ain't. I'ma go with Stefanski. You know what? Who's more like the Stefanski? Cause guess what? I don't think the Browns.


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[Assistant] Hey listen, if it was after one of these games, if it happened to be one, what game did they play really terrible last year?


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[Assistant] Is Darius Garland's game gonna come back different? Is Evan Mobley's game? See, when you're an elite player like that, we, he understand what people's game is, right?


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[Assistant] So when you watch a game where Paul George, who we don't even think is a top 20 player anymore,


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[Assistant] You go to front 40 and just, when you see that front row and center and your soldiers is out here getting mowed down, you're like nah, we can't win with that.


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[Assistant] Yes, very much so. Very much so for peddling that propaganda that 51 wins. Now, I guarantee you don't come out and say nothing about no 50 wins this year. How many wins they got, matter of fact? 47?


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[Assistant] And it had- And you added some nice parts? And you had the third best record in the league at the All-Star Break.


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[Assistant] You talking about this year? This year. Yeaah. Imma go with the Super Bowl. Of course you are!


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[Assistant] Uh, we- Milwaukee playin' nasty when we get bossed and it's a wrap.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Boston, Boston's tough. Uhm, you might, you'll lose the series to the, I think you can win two games against Milwaukee. He making a case for this.


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[Assistant] First of all, you can't put Anthony Scoots and then Mary Kay in the same joint. That's just...


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[Assistant] Now listen, they give him $50,000. You can grow enough hair back to start the dreads again. We're going to give you all you can eat now later for a year. $50,000 in a meal plan over quickly.


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[Assistant] All you gotta do is cut em, freeze em, and have somebody sew em back in. Why you keep saying this is not so lit? Sew em back in. It happens all the time, Jay. I know. What are you talking about?


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[Assistant] I'm still excited for opening day. I think Shane Bieber being out for the year sucks.


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[Assistant] But the season is so fresh that it don't put a damper on everything for me. You know, they got off to a hot start, seven and two. The team is hitting and, you know, the pitching rotation.


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[Assistant] You know, injuries happen in sports, right? And I think that there's enough arms in that rotation that can be solid if they step up their performance. But as long as the Guardians keep having success.


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[Assistant] I think it won't change anything for me. I just think, I look at it like, okay, we're less than 10 games in. Yeaah, it sucks he got hurt, but the season is so fresh that it don't put a damper on anything. Like, players get hurt all the time, so we just gotta keep trying to move.


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[Assistant] So I had a God Bull I was gonna ask you about. Uh, did some research this morning. I wanna make sure I'm saying his name right. Tyler Bede or Bede? Bede. Bede.


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[Assistant] So, from what I gathered, 2014, first round pick, 14th overall by the San Francisco Giants. Never really panned out as a starter in San Francisco, but he does have that experience in the starting rotation. He's been great for the Guardians coming out the bullpen this year.


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[Assistant] My first course of action would be to try somebody that's already in house that's in the bullpen. That's kind of like a short term option because ideally bull, what I hope happens is once Gavin Williams is back in the rotation, that cookie, Carlos Carrasco pitches well enough that we can lock that down. But let's say that don't happen, right?


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[Assistant] I have all these different scenarios in my head playing out. Like if this team continues to win, if these young guys continue to hit,


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[Assistant] Yeah, people won't like it, but you know what? In this world, you damned if you do, you damned if you don't. People are not going to like you anyway. You have to prioritize winning. And if this team continues to win,


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[Assistant] Hey Zach, talk about what you expect from Tristan McKenzie and his second start. We all know his first start was Rocky. And then I'm looking at my phone, as of now, it looks like the Chicago White Sox have not named their starter. Any news on who that person might be?


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[Assistant] You're not built like that, man, and I've told you time in and time out, man. J.B. Bickerstaff holds nobody accountable, including himself, right?


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[Assistant] Like he never gets up there and say, you know what, that was a horrible ass coaching job by me. He never gets up there and say, you know, my players need to play better. He continues to make excuses for himself and everybody on his team. Attitude is a reflection of leadership and JB Bickerstaff has proven time in and time out that he's not a consistent, effective leader.


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[Assistant] Right? We've seen so many different outcomes this season of the calves blowing big weeds or-


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[Assistant] Getting blown out by teams that they shouldn't be blown out by. You got players out there on the court refusing to shoot the ball. Nobody is held accountable for anything. And it seems like, like that statement yesterday.


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[Assistant] How the hell did the Clippers catch you off guard? You came off guns or blazing in the first half and you couldn't sustain that? You couldn't even make adjustments when you seen the lead starting to shrink?


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[Assistant] Like time in and time out, the calves have gotten to the point, man, to where I'm low key detached emotionally. It's like I'm at the point, man, to where I really don't even care no more.


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[Assistant] How this season ends. And that's, that's crazy for me to say that. If it's a first round exit, it's a first round exit. Cause you right. You had no business running in the back with the core four. You had no business running in the back with the same coach expecting a different result. Like that's insane. That's absolutely insanity right there. So.


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[Assistant] They just continue to show that we shouldn't have faith. They continue to show us that like, what we thought was different this year is not at all.


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[Assistant] Like, if it's not Donovan Mitchell, it's always TT. Like, it's the fact that he did something. Like, it's the fact that he did something. Yeaah, it ain't no big deal in the grand scheme of things, man.


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[Assistant] Like, he wasn't having it. And you see nobody else on this team that have that type of attitude. You talk about when do you see them upset? When do you see these dudes assert themselves? Never!


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[Assistant] I don't think, I feel like they have no chance of winning. I feel like this, and this is how I know I'm getting older. You know, I grew up watching Kobe Bryant play.


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[Assistant] Right, that Mamba mentality is real. Yeaah, in the grand scheme of things, the regular season don't matter.


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[Assistant] Is it something about the generations that's changed? Like what is it about how players used to play with so much more passion, so much more want to back in the day? Like basketball was more than just a business. It was more than just making money.


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[Assistant] I know Kobe was built different and that's why I use for an example, but it was a lot of players that had that mindset. They took this game seriously. They cared. It just don't seem like these dudes got that same type of get up and go about themselves that the players back in the day.


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[Assistant] Are individually talented, but Lebron spoke to this point. You got a lot of people wanting to play one on one and they really don't know the fundamentals of basketball. They don't know the fundamentals of playing the team as a team. You know, they're great individual players and it's hurting the product.


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[Assistant] Jay, what up, man? So, uh, the Guardians, uh, young lineup, man, they got off to a hot start hitting the ball well. They had a few days off, of course, with the, with the weather delay yesterday. What's your expectations for this Guardians lineup in this first series at home against the Whitesides?


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[Assistant] I think the fan experience at Progressive Field is top tier. You don't get no better than that. Even for a casual baseball fan, there is nothing like a summer night inside that ballpark. It's beautiful. A warm day, just, it's great. It's a great experience. Blueberry beer and hot dogs.


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[Assistant] I think body language, energy, and passion never lie. So I totally agree with everything you said. You seen this body language, you can see the passion, you can feel the energy.


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[Assistant] Uhm, shout out to Deshaun Watson, shout out to everybody that was at the event in University Heights. Uh, it was a great event. But for me, when I, when I heard these comments, I watched the entire podcast. The entire 15 minute segment of him and Stefanski going back and forth. We'll go watch it. Phenomenal content right there.


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[Assistant] I've always had this idea that the reason why I really appreciated Kevin Stefanski being the head coach of the Cleveland Browns is because he's a leader of men.


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[Assistant] And I feel like that's the most important attribute or intangible that any head coach can have. I think when you get to this level, right, NFL, your coach, your head coach, I think that


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[Assistant] Everybody that's, that's in those rooms and in those conversations, you might not be the greatest at the X's and O's, but you clearly wouldn't be where you are if you didn't have that skillset. I think we all can agree to that. I think the fan base, sometimes us in the media, we get too bogged down on the X's and O's or the situational play calling.


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[Assistant] But I can't remember too many times that this Cleveland Browns team is not prepared no matter what the outcome of the game is. We've seen and talked to a lot of players that played for Kevin Stefanski in this current team, and it's a close-knit group.


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[Assistant] But the one thing that always stands out to me is all these dudes play hard for Kevin Stefanski. And that's a sign of respect.


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[Assistant] It clearly is a two-way street. He shows them respect, they show that respect back in return by going out there and busting their ass for them every single game, every single day in practice. And when you just look at the Cleveland Browns as a whole, I think Kevin Stefanski plays a pretty significant part


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[Assistant] And the culture change, you know, that has taken place here.


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[Assistant] And you just see like so many different players, not just Deshaun Watson that's willing to give this man his flowers and like kudos to him. You definitely need to like get that contract extension done and get it done quick because him being a leader of men is to me way more important than the place that he's calling on his play sheet. Gee, it's funny. We're waiting for,


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[Assistant] It was so funny, like just being there and like me and G was there the entire event.


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[Assistant] There's a video of my Instagram of me talking to Deshaun Watson off camera without any of this content we took. And everybody kept asking me like, what was you saying to him because he looked really engaged. I kind of keep that.


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[Assistant] To myself, but I can say this, just being in that environment, talking to the people that I talk to, you know, being around him, getting a chance to have a conversation.


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[Assistant] Perception versus reality, reality when it comes to him is totally different. And I gotta admit, you, Jay, and Jason are right. You know, for us who live in this Twitter universe, we think it's the end all be all or that certain, you know, section of the population, their opinion is the only opinion that matters.


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[Assistant] But like just to hear and just to see first hand the love that this dude gets in the city of Cleveland. You know, his, his people talked about how he's always in the city and like I even talked to somebody that's a part of his team.


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[Assistant] Show me like a list of stuff that he's done in the community that us in the media we've never heard about. You know, he's never been disrespected.


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[Assistant] It's not the real world, we sit up here thinking like, okay, like this is what everybody feels, but no, it's not like that at all. It was a lot of love out there, a lot of smiles, a lot of people taking pictures, like him signing autographs, like it was just a great experience to see the coach, to see the media and the fans pull up and show support for Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] And he's watching us every day, so thanks man, like, you know, we had a conversation as well, like, he, he, a fan of the show, man, and it's just, it's good to see that support. We appreciate it. It definitely is.


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[Assistant] One other thing from that podcast that I thought was pretty cool, Mike, I'm pretty sure you watched it. It was cool to see Kevin Stefanski kind of relax and take us behind the scenes of some of the things they talked about. Like we talk a lot on this show about halftime adjustments, right? And Kevin Stefanski was like, man, if you wait in the halftime,


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[Assistant] To make adjustments, you already behind the 8 ball. And he talked about that him and the coaches, they're all kinda interacting on the headsets.


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[Assistant] There is so much about Kevin Stefanski that I absolutely love. They like, nobody's perfect, no human is perfect man, but I'm just glad he's the Cleveland Browns head coach.


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[Assistant] You know who could do it, probably back in the day? Javon Curse.


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[Assistant] Right, and I need y'all to watch the chat for this, fellas. Fellas, this for y'all, fellas on the set. Honorable mention Block, right?


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[Assistant] You ever have a girl go all the way, all the way off on you via text, like she say some crazy shit, like just go totally off the rails and then you go to respite and you realize she blocked you. Yeah, she just kind of get her funky off of you.


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[Assistant] Listen, Friday night was amazing. Like, I get to the games with just walking to the arena, getting inside of the arena, seeing all the people with their kids outside doing all the different activities.


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[Assistant] One no sitting, one no sitting behind us. Yea I saw that picture you took of the court.


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[Assistant] That was in the media. I know for me, like, I'm still new to this. So to meet all the different, like, minorities that, that's around this country, that's in the sports. I'm like, man, that's cool. Like, that's dope.


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[Assistant] You get to the games, the first game, South Carolina and North Carolina State.


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[Assistant] North Carolina State come out very aggressive, they come out hungry, and then me and Mike in real time watch Don Staley do what Don Staley does.


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[Assistant] Man, it was like a, like a pay-per-view main event at WrestleMania or something like that. Yea, that was a great game. Like, you get Iowa, you get Yukon.


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[Assistant] I don't think Katelyn Clark had ever been defended the way that she was defended by Yukon in her entire career. Like she was being face guarded every single time. At one particular point, she had more turnovers than she did points. You know, but you see her, me and Mike talked about this this morning.


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[Assistant] For as great as a shooter she is, I think that she's an even better passer.


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[Assistant] Like her court vision, her basketball IQ is absolutely through the roof. And we were treated to a show. Unfortunately, the refs played a part during the end, but it was, it just blows that.


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[Assistant] So, it was cool, uh, being able to adjust to be in the press rooms, you know, to be up close and personal with Dawn Staley. I'm a huge fan of hers. To be up in close and personal with Kaitlyn Clark.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mike didn't know this, I kinda wandered off on my own and, uh, went to the UConn locker room. Like, even though that they lost, got a chance to see Paige Beckers and one of the coolest things is, you seen Maya Moore, she was in this room. I could see her through the crack of the door. She was talking to some of the players that was coming back next year about, you know, UConn basketball and,


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[Assistant] For me personally, I can sum up her college career in one word. She was evolutionary. That's who she was. Like the way that she...


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[Assistant] Took women's basketball and to me not just on a collegiate part of it.


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[Assistant] When you got Sheryl Miller, when you got Lisa Leslie, when you got Cynthia Cooper, when you got Diana Taurasi, when you got Rebecca Lobo, when you got all these people.


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[Assistant] No, what I'm saying is Don, what I'm trying to say is Don Staley said it right. She's one of the ghosts of our game. And so when people...


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[Assistant] People sometimes like when they hear you talk direct and literal, they take you for what you say. When you say she's the greatest of all time, the pushback comes like, wait a minute, no she's not. I know some people that ball it out like her. But what Kaitlyn Clark did for the game of basketball, college women's basketball, like,


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's evolutionary to me. Like she's an amazing human, an amazing person. I love her competitive, competitive nature.


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[Assistant] Right, you know what I mean? So like, I get it, you got the Maya Moors, you got a lot of people out here who, you know, didn't get the love and attention that they should have gotten during their time, and the joke is on them. Like to me, I get it, it's a popular thing now, but man, a lot of people late to the party.


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[Assistant] You couldn't have got, listen, it couldn't have been no better. You had the 2024 Nate Smith player of the year versus the 2024 Nate Smith coach of the year, right? Like, shout out to Kathleen Clark, man, nothing but love. But before this show ends, we have to give Don Staley her proper due. Like, I've never seen Don Staley get emotional.


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[Assistant] Like, and Don Staley is one of my favorite coaches to follow. I hope and pray that my daughters can play for her.


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[Assistant] But to see her get emotional and to talk about uncommon favor, you know, she talked about out of all the star players that has came and went since they organically built this program on South Carolina and this be the team that go undefeated.


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[Assistant] And win a national championship. This is our third national championship putting her in rare air. Now she's one of only five coaches ever in the history of the game to win five, I mean to win three of them. And you look at all the players that's coming back


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[Assistant] Next year, it's just, this is a powerhouse that's gonna continue to, you know, do what they do.


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[Assistant] She calls their agent, she calls their ADU coach. She said outside of talent, the second thing that she paid attention to most is the level of respect that these student athletes have for their parents. Because if they respect their parents, you know, they'll come here and they'll respect us. One last point.


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[Assistant] To me, it seems like Don Staley is out there playing chess while everybody else is playing chess.


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[Assistant] Just hear me out. Just watching, I mean Gino too, but just watching, just watching her say like, okay, I'm going to watch what this team doing. Let me see what you're doing. Give me your best shot. And then I'm going to come out here. My team is going to make the proper adjustments and we're going to run you, run you out the house. Are you moving her past Gino?


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[Assistant] Okay, Raven Johnson, a girl that Katelyn Clark waved off last year, she called this the revenge tour. She did not have the best game offensively, but what Dawn Staley did after Katelyn Clark dropped 18 points in the first quarter, she made Raven her primary defender. Katelyn went 5-20 for the rest of the game. Yea, she didn't shoot well the second time. For the rest of the game. Yea, gotta get Super Chats. Go ahead, Super Chats.


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[Assistant] That triggered me. I had that se- no lie. I had that same exact parlay except I had, uh, De La Cruz with Two Stolen Bases. Are you kidding me? I had him for Two Stolen Bases.


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[Assistant] It looked like a script of a movie. You know how like, like, like you scripted up a baseball movie? Yeah. From, from like rats to riches. That's what it looked like.


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[Assistant] Not to jump out the jump because it is the A's, I gotta give them a B+. I thought the thing that stood out to me the most for them, we are known to be a team that has a dominant rotation. But we hit the wall very, very well in our opening series against the A's. I think we compiled


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[Assistant] It's a huge gap there, right, but to me that was the biggest thing that stood out. Like they hit the ball, I remember talking to you about


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[Assistant] Just listening to interviews of Stephen Vogt talking about taking a different approach the years past, having the, uh, hitters be more aggressive in accounts. And you've seen that put on full display. I think once they go to Seattle tonight,


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[Assistant] I think, uh, if they could duplicate, duplicate that, you know, and have some sustained success there. That's a big if. That's a big if. Yeaah. But we might have something. So I guess now, I'm just tracking the philosophy change at the, to the approach at the plate. To see how it translates. To see how it translates.


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[Assistant] Did Bobby Witt end up hitting for the cycle? No, he did not.


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[Assistant] It's better than one and three against that. You are kidding. It could have been a disaster for both of you all. Tristan McKenzie pitches tonight. Any thoughts on which one? I can't wait to see it.


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[Assistant] I guess it's too early to tell. I guess for me, I'm just excited to see them actually, you know, put, put the bat on the ball and actually, you know, being efficient at the plate, scoring runs and hitting the ball. But like you all said, you know, you would get a better sense of what this team would really look like once they start playing more quality opponents. So it's really hard to say on a power dump.


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[Assistant] So I did, uh, I did my Ultimate 216 show a couple hours before the Cavs game yesterday, and I asked, on this five game road trip, did you believe the Cleveland Cavaliers can do anything to restore optimism, uhm, in the fan base?


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[Assistant] For a J.B. Bickerstaff led team to have defense be in your staple, and you let the Nuggets shoot 63% from three, I think 57% overall for the game, it's absolutely ridiculous. Now as far as the comments go, uh, I agree, he said all the right things, and this is Donovan Mitchell yet again.


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[Assistant] Showing his leadership, you know, he's taking accountability for his poor play and he's making his teammates accountable as well. I told Jason before the show and this is just my opinion because I'm not at the arena. I'm not in the locker room.


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[Assistant] But often post-game when I hear J.B. Bickerstaff speaks, he sounds like a man that constantly is making excuses for his bark.


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[Assistant] You know, he never holds himself or the players accountable for poor play. There's no reason in the world why Evan Mobley shot more three-pointers than Darius Garland yesterday and nothing was said or done about it. Now, if he's saying things behind closed doors, cool. But to me,


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[Assistant] Even when Donovan Mitchell don't play well, his mere presence, it seems like that's the calling card to energizing this team. It's almost like, you know what, if my coach won't hold me or the rest of this team accountable publicly, then I will. Sometimes you gotta be publicly humiliated.


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[Assistant] So to speak, to kind of light a fire under your ass. And this team needs that. You know, we talk about Donovan Mitchell not playing his best ball. His second game back, he's clearly still hurt. My man has had one 20 point game since the All-Star break.


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[Assistant] And that was the 31-point performance against New Dallas Mavericks, man. But he played four games in the month of March.


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[Assistant] They gotta get the ship right, and I don't know if they could. You know, Mike asked me, well, who would you rather play? The truth of the matter is, right now it don't matter. I don't have much faith that the Cavs is gonna win in the first round of the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I felt like he gets more, I feel like Donovan Mitchell is more important to the Cleveland Cavaliers than J.B. Biggerstaff is. I feel like he gets more out of the players than a coach does.


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[Assistant] I guess I'm looking for more constructive criticism, not necessarily just straight out dogging his players, but it just seems like to me, every time he speaks, he makes an excuse of why this is what it was. Like his post game comments yesterday.


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[Assistant] So we were at Cavs Media Day and Donovan Mitchell kinda said the same thing during Cavs Media Day that he said right there. I think to Jason's point like, he's been a constant pro since he's been here. Regardless if he's been planning his exit since he's been here or not.


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[Assistant] The one thing I can give him credit for is he never let his future endeavors get in the way of current business. He's always shown that he's pro Cleveland, that he's pro-cast, that he's all in, at least for now.


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[Assistant] And I respect that about him, right? He doesn't make his, his contract topic a discussion. He prefers not to talk about it. This seems like a dude that's really just focused on it now and trying to get the most out of his team.


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[Assistant] I've been thinking over the weekend, let's say hypothetically to calves.


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[Assistant] Regardless of how the season ends, I hope that because based on his comments, then Gilbert's comments, he's been having these conversations with Dynamo Mitchell.


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[Assistant] And so I will come to Donovan Mitchell and see


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[Assistant] How he assesses this roster, the coaching staff, et cetera. And if it's some backhand or backdoor agreement that like, okay, if you can move X, Y, and Z or if you hire X, Y, and Z, then, you know, I might be more in tune to stay because I believe I can have more success with that. Then cool. But see what you just said.


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[Assistant] You know, he's not signing up for a dupe of what happened in Utah. And I think that if the Cleveland Cavaliers can prove to him that they can put a constant winner on the court, that I hope our chances of him staying. But if they can't do that and it's going to be the same old same old, then yeaah, he is probably going to New York.


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[Assistant] We joked upstairs that if it wasn't so late in the season, he probably would have got fired after that Miami game.


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[Assistant] You know, Jason, you've said this last year, you've said that a lot this year, that you felt like the Cavaliers as big as the Kiwis, Kiwis Hill was their youth. And that this team really just needed time to just grow and you grow through your trials, tribulations, your experience. Do you still feel that way about this team as it's currently constructed?


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[Assistant] I think it should be totally up to the owner and his discretion and the sense of the Cleveland Browns right now, like.


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[Assistant] I respect Dashaun Watson's opinion, but the average...


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[Assistant] Playing career, people say 3.5 is 3.3 years. And this is according to an article I read that was updated February 7th of this year.


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[Assistant] So I think that though it's cool to get their input and their opinions, like that's all it is, input and opinions because most of them won't be around.


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[Assistant] It takes to have that experience, and that's just the truth of the matter. Five years from now, Nick Chubb will probably be retired. Dave Ndijoku will either be retired or on the back end with another team. Same thing for Deshaun Watson and things like that. So you can always hear a player out, but I think, you know, it shouldn't go past just hearing them out.


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[Assistant] So I made real quick, cause I made this, this, this comparison yesterday on the show. And I think this is a perfect panel for it because Jay, I believe you and my father are around the same age. And if I was having this conversation with my dad,


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[Assistant] He will say the same things that you just said. Football is traditionally played in the elements and if you look at some of the most historic games of all time, the Ice Bowl, this, that and the third.


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[Assistant] And I will tell my father, yeaah, that's cool and all, but we don't live there anymore and times has changed, right?


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[Assistant] And when you look at the NFL and how the rules continuously change to be pro offense.


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[Assistant] And when you look at the fan experience, I just think football and control element environments make more sense. It creates for a better experience from a fan's point of view.


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[Assistant] And, like, the product on the field is better if you enjoy offense. And so, like, I get it. You know, I'm born in the 80s. I done had season tickets. And because of my dad and my grandfather, who's always built into my head, like, you know, football is played in the elements or if it's cold, that's okay. You just go down there and you bundle up.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, all that's coolin' too is not. You know, and Jim Donovan, uh, I did, you know, I do Creven Brown's weekend, uh, over the weekend at my other job.


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[Assistant] And Jim Donovan said two years ago, because it's funny, you both went to that game too. The Saints game.


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[Assistant] The walk from the parking lot to the stadium was the most dangerous walk that he can imagine. And then when you're sitting there, you're literally feet away from a Great Lakes. And the point I was making, we can think that's cool to sit there all day long, but we work right here on Lakeside to where there's people down the street that if they had to sleep in that weather, they'd probably die.


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[Assistant] You see what I'm saying? And so like, I just think that if you're paying disposable income, hard earned disposable income, then a controlled environment to where you can actually enjoy, because sports is entertainment anyway.


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[Assistant] Y'all can say like we could lose our advantage or it's tradition, but traditionally for a long time outside of the last couple of years, there was a quarterback that had just as many, if not more wins in that same stadium than the Cleveland Browns did.


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[Assistant] And so it's like not all tradition is good tradition and it's not, has it technically really been that much of a home field advantage? Like since 99? No. Like all jokes aside, without Phil Dawson here, it still hasn't been that much of a home field advantage. So to me, hearing that is just like, yeah, I hear you, but I don't.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. So this was like the 0-4 draft. I was joking Gerard Warren. It's funny. Yea, it might have been Gerard Warren. No, that, that, that draft, I think, I think we took Kellan Winslow if this was the same draft. I don't, I can't remember who they took. Whoever it was.


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[Assistant] So let me ask you, does it feel like to that point that Miraville was sitting back in the sense that, okay, bye. It doesn't feel like Miraville.


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[Assistant] I just go back to when I worked for the city of Cleveland. I started working for the city of Cleveland maybe 2010.


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[Assistant] And at that time, where the hotel sit, it was a Cuyahoga County building. And I remember they tore that building down. There was a parking lot behind it. They tore that down, uh, where they got that science research center up now. And a lot of the renovations at that time was geared towards


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[Assistant] Uh, renovating that part of downtown because if people don't know, you're literally like feet away.


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[Assistant] From the lake, you know, the stadium, the science center, all of that. And then they ran into these issues, like, I work at the justice center. And so like, that's a jail and a courthouse.


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[Assistant] That sit, sits right next to a five star hotel, right across the street from a stadium. The issue is you have all these different courthouses. Sure. That sit right there on Lakeside that you might not just be able to up and move like that. Right. You have a Cuyahoga County jail that you just might not be up and move like that.


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[Assistant] And now I'm just looking in totality and maybe I'm just talking out of both sides of my mouth, but I've heard so much over a long period of time about this lakefront, this entire area and developing this, that and the third. And it's just like,


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[Assistant] You know what's the most beautiful thing in Cleveland? And I don't, if people in the chat can agree with this or not, downtown Cleveland, 4th of July, watching the fireworks. It's absolutely the most beautiful thing in the world. Go to Chicago. You see all the boats.


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[Assistant] There's, there's so much I think that, you know, you have a young, innovative mayor that grew up in this city that's probably had ideas running through his head for forever.


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[Assistant] I don't know the political hurdles that you have to clear in order to get these things done. It's just that I know since I've been paying attention, which is about 14 years now, all has been this conversation.


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[Assistant] And maybe we need this generation now that's currently making moves now. Maybe these are the people that you do need in place to actually get something done. I agree with that. I think people envision change, but when it's time to hit go, they're so afraid of something different.


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[Assistant] I mean, Jason said there's no money here, and it sounds like what you're saying is just find other creative ways to generate the money. And if they do that, that shows a lot of creativity on their front, but I'm sorry, if I, like, my opinion is emotional based, but it's really how I feel because I'm from the inner city.


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[Assistant] Why can't you fix other things? Because I know teachers and cops that both work part-time jobs.


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[Assistant] So, it's a pipe dream. I just, man, when I be hearing these discussions, all this stuff is well and cool and it shows that you can be creative.


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[Assistant] Real quick, before we move on, because I just opened up my phone. First article I see, I follow this page on I'm from Cleveland. 2024 NCAA Women's Final Four in Cleveland estimated to generate 25 million dollars this upcoming week.


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[Assistant] Does it make you a bad brows fan if you don't like Deshaun Watson? Yes. No, it doesn't make you a bad brows fan if you don't like Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] But if you're a person that because you don't like Deshaun Watson, you really kinda like root for him not to be successful,


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[Assistant] That's what make you a bad Browns fan because ultimately Deshaun Watson success is tied into the Cleveland Browns team success. And if you truly are a diehard fan of the Cleveland Browns and you want to see the Cleveland Browns win a Superbowl, then you gonna have to get behind a guy that you might not like personally for your professional interests. And that's just the bottom line.


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[Assistant] This ain't hard to figure out. You can deal with people that you don't like for the greater good. That we do that everyday in America.


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[Assistant] Can I ask both of y'all a question? Sure. Uh, and this is based off, you know, you both said that people find it hard to be emotionally invested and I'm just asking because at this time I was still just a casual fan. I hadn't started this journey.


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[Assistant] We all know what Kareem Hunt did. Nevermind what he was accused of. But we saw it.


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[Assistant] Was there that same sense when John Dorsey went out and signed Kareem Hunt? There was backlash.


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[Assistant] The point I'm making is, everybody got a different moral compass, everybody have different things that trigger them, right? And so like, to me,


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[Assistant] And so this is just me just asking this question because again, moral compass.


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[Assistant] I see somebody that, and I respect and I like Kareem Hunt as a man and as a player, but that's not cool. You know what I'm saying? I got daughters, bro, under no circumstances is that cool. And so I was just curious because you all were in the business, like, what was the temperature when the Cleveland Browns signed Kareem Hunt? There was pushback. There was pushback.


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[Assistant] You know, these conversations to me are very interesting. We clearly are, we don't look alike. We come from different times in life. Our experiences are different. And so when I seen this in the rundown,


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[Assistant] I don't think anybody has ever felt like that he's never did anything wrong, right? I don't think people ever felt like that everything is just a-okay. But because of the history of this country, right? And people are quick to compare to other people of other races who have done things similar, worse, etc.


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[Assistant] You know, and so people of color, they tend to be like, I'm not saying he was not wrong, but you gotta chill out on how you beating up on him because he belonged to us.


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[Assistant] So I'm not saying he was wrong, but y'all gotta chill. Let us handle this in house. And so when you said that, that's what it made me think of. And y'all know me. I don't really have these conversations. I'm just giving you an honest opinion. That's how black people feel about Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Like G is more triggered than I am behind stuff like that, but I'm just telling you like, and it don't have to be Deshaun Watson that we're talking about, right? It can be anybody from anything.


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[Assistant] You know, right now there's this big thing about Diddy. You got half the people who's willing to convict him right now, and you got other people that's willing to say that, you know, I ain't saying this, that, and the third, but chill out right now. People are sensitive to certain things when it comes from certain people. That's all I'm saying.


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[Assistant] To get back to the, you know, like, don't like part of it, you know.


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[Assistant] My brother tells me all the time, I tend to project how I am and how I was raised on other people. My father always told me, how the hell can you sit up there and say, you don't like somebody that you don't know personally, right? And I noticed I do that in real life. I can be amongst friends and you know, people be like, talk about the show and they say, well,


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[Assistant] I don't like this person. I don't like that person on the show.


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[Assistant] To my knowledge, you've never met said person. Right. You might not like their take. You might not like how they go about things, but how can you honestly say you don't like somebody that you never interacted with, that never disrespected you personally, that never has done anything to you?


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[Assistant] And my brother says, you know, that's, that's projecting. That's how you are. That's how you feel. And he's right. I tend to project in that way a little bit. And so like when these questions come up, I love these conversations because me personally, I have a hard time saying.


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[Assistant] Again, I take the same approach that I would in my everyday life. You know, I go out of here and people like to interact and they want to know things behind the scenes and people have conversations. I don't like this person.


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[Assistant] How can you say that? And I just think like, you know, maybe it comes from years of working in a courtroom tied into how I was raised. Like Judge Patton, man, shout out to Judge Patton, he used to tell me all the time, man, everything that you say matters, everything you don't say matters. And when you say out your mouth, you don't like somebody, I automatically go back to my upbringing. My father always told me how you like somebody that you, that you don't even know.


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[Assistant] And that's why you need to let athletes like entertain you. That's why you need to let musicians entertain you. That's why you need to let actors and actresses just entertain you. Like we get caught up in everything outside of the entertainment.


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[Assistant] Here's the crazy part, because I have daughters and somebody asked me that it was like, you know, when, when the Browns, uh, traded for Deshaun Washington, you have a conversation with either of your daughters.


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[Assistant] And I said no, absolutely not because I would be dropping the ball as a father if I wasn't having these conversations with my kids by default. I don't need somebody accused of something like this for me to do my job as a parent and have the proper conversations with my kids about everything that goes out here in the real world.


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[Assistant] NCAA Final 14. If you've never seen the movie Six Man, then you're missing the treat. Marlon Waynes, uh, Khadim Harrison.


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[Assistant] His brother dies, becomes a ghost, he comes back as the sixth man and helps the Washington Huskies capture the NCAA Championship. I might watch that today, A&K all the way.


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[Assistant] I like game two. It's so much quieter, more relaxed. Three thousand people in the stands. You think it'll be better than that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is, it's- I was saying earlier, I can't remember a home opener.


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[Assistant] You know, people can change or grow whatever you want to say.


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[Assistant] An arbitrator still upheld his record length suspension, and this is an organization where he butted heads with people on the field and in the clubhouse before any of that.


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[Assistant] Of the unrest with society or whatever they wanted to say a few years ago. So I just, it's hard for me to believe that a team that has had that sort of outward messaging in recent years is gonna go and sign a guy linked to anything like this.


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[Assistant] Maybe if there's another injury, but I just think you're getting Curry back and Ben Lively, they gave a major league contract too. So there are options, even if they're not sexy options, I just, you know, if someone is 37 years old and sitting on their couch right now, that's probably for a reason.


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[Assistant] I haven't seen, the scoreboard was just showing Garrett Crochet. I don't know where the White Sox are in their, uhm, their turn in the rotation. So I don't, I don't know if that's accurate or not. I never trust the scoreboard here. I've seen some weird stuff that they've messed with pregame on the lineups. Uhm, McKenzie's the most important player on the team. I think, I believed that before the season. I think it's tenfold now with Bieber's injury. You need,


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[Assistant] You need starters who Steven Vogt can go to the ballpark and breathe easy, knowing that person's on the mound. And we saw McKenzie was that in 2022.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but obviously he made four starts last season, and he and Bieber were kinda going through similar things with their elbows. You see what happened to Bieber, and if I'm Tristan McKenzie, I'm thinking, uh-oh, am I next? Like, this, this...


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[Assistant] The, the, Tommy John is the grim reaper in baseball right now. And Mackenzie opted not to have surgery last season. He opted to, to rehab it, rest it. And his VLO was down considerably in his first start. So I don't know if that, I mean, he said he feels healthy.


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[Assistant] His Velo was a little better in spring training, especially at the end. I saw him hitting 92, 93 a little bit. So I don't know if it was just.


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[Assistant] So that makes those pitchers, life's tougher on them. So you think about everyone, pitchers train year round, they go to these facilities, they learn to throw harder, they learn to give max effort on every pitch. You're seeing 98 mile an hour fastballs and 91 mile an hour sliders. You never saw that stuff 20 years ago. The problem is,


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[Assistant] Doing that is hard enough and you get the wear and tear on your elbow. You don't rest as much as you used to in the winter. Then you add in the pitch clock and I don't know how much of an effect that's had.


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[Assistant] At least you used to be able to throw a pitch 98 miles an hour and then catch your breath for 30 seconds and now you can't. You're right back on the mound and 18 seconds later you have to fire another 98 mile an hour fastball. So it's, I think the way pitching has


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[Assistant] Alright, let me go backwards. I'm gonna take a... I think there's too many obvious answers for your second question, so let me go Hunter Gaddis, who we came up with. I think everyone remembers him as...


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[Assistant] I wanna see more before I'm really buying into this 9 or this 13. You know, can Will Brennan keep this up?


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[Assistant] I'm talking about as like, I think the one thing that's pretty...


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[Assistant] Uh, unique about the quarterback position in our sport is


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[Assistant] You know, when you find a good one, they're typically with your franchise for a long period of time. Uhm, so, when I say 10 years,


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[Assistant] Maybe I didn't mean it quite as literally as you're taking it, but for a very long period of time because uhm, you know, that player at that position uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, can, can, can really anchor your franchise and, and anchor your organization on the field. So as we think about it, it's less about, you know, a, like a yearly fluctuation, but.


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[Assistant] Very much with a long-term focus, uhm, because look, quarterbacks, I mean, they're not all Tom Brady playing until they're 45, but, you know, quarterbacks in this league, they play to their mid and, you know, mid and late 30s and, uhm, that's an incredibly, uhm, you know, valuable, uhm, player to have.


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[Assistant] I think a Koro's improved a lot on offense too. I'm gonna go with a Koro with Jay.


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[Assistant] Plus, ba-da-da-da-da, you're loving him. Mikey McNuggets.


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[Assistant] That has been able to take down this Kansas City Chiefs team back in 21 on his way to a Super Bowl run. I'm gonna answer this question. I'm gonna say potential.


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[Assistant] When it comes to this division, and I'm going to talk about the Cleveland Browns. I feel like for the second straight year, we're talking about what their potential is.


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[Assistant] But we saw something about the Cleveland Browns last year that I think was special. This is a team that Schrags, you emphasized it all season long. We started talking about Coach of the Year with Stefanski because this is a team where the offensive line was beat up. It felt like guy after guy was going down with an injury and somebody else was going to have to step up.


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[Assistant] When you have to go through that level of adversity. Adversity. Now this offseason they go and they make a trade for Jerry Judy to be opposite Amari Cooper. A guy that he grew up watching and trying to emulate his game after. Now they have Elijah Moore in the slot. Nick Chubb hopefully can get back to where he was. But then Jerome Ford as a backup showed what he can do.