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[Assistant] He does a masterful job of scheming guys open and not just a little bit open, Bernie. We're talking wide open to the point where I think you, myself, and we'll talk to Coach Tyvis in a sec, but even Coach Tyvis can make throws and against Jacksonville, David and Joku had no one in the same zip code as him when he scored the first touchdown and that's a design masterful from the Browns offensive staff.


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[Assistant] Well, Thomas, you nailed that. You didn't mess up like Jenkins and hopefully Flacco can continue his stellar play against Chicago on Sunday. Jay, back to you.


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[Assistant] It's called What's More Likely. I'll give you two statements. You tell me what's more likely to happen and then one of you guys gets a chance to tell the other panelists why they're wrong. We'll start with the first one.


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[Assistant] What's number two? Number two, what's more likely to happen? The Brown score defensive touchdown or Cedric Tillman scores his first career touchdown? Jay, this one's for you. A lot of missing parts on


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[Assistant] Number three. What's more likely to happen? This game comes down to a last second score, or either team wins by 14 or more points. Bull, start us off.


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[Assistant] And the last one! What is more likely to happen? The Browns rush for 200 or more yards as a team.


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[Assistant] Will it be a clean sweep? The answer is yes, it will be a clean sweep. I'm telling Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] They tell father time to go kick some rocks. Blacko turns back the clocks to 2012. They beat the Bears in a shootout despite 1242 Browns on IR.


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[Assistant] We heard Sean Watson had to undergo some MRIs on his left ankle, which he injured in the comeback win over Baltimore. We're still awaiting the exact test results on that MRI, but it made me think, cause the Sean told reporters after the game on Sunday, I'll be fine for Pittsburgh. I'm good.


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[Assistant] But he also said that against Baltimore in week four, and we all know who that turned out, so.


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[Assistant] Is this ankle injury, which doesn't appear to be too serious, at least from what we know now.


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[Assistant] A big concern, no concern, minor concern as we get ready for Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] I asked Earl this question as a lifelong 35 year brown, 35 year old brown, I asked G. Bush and Jason, yes, I'm curious what you guys think. And it's maybe prisoner of the moment to an extent.


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[Assistant] I asked Earl, and this was Earl's top three, if he was going with three that did not include this Sunday. And he went with 2002, week 17 versus the Falcons. 2007, week 16 versus the Bengals, which I think is what you just alluded to. And then the week 17, 2020 Steelers game. So he had this in the top three. He hit it at number three.


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[Assistant] Alright Mikey. We're gonna move on real quick. We did a YouTube chat poll with over 450 votes. 67% said this is the most anticipated regular season game.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're doing PFF Graders, grading the PFF Graders, doing it a little different this week. Like always, changing it up. J, Bull, G, Typhus, I'll give you a grade, I will give you the player.


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[Assistant] And then I will ask you guys to decide where that ranks for them this season or in their career, depending on how long they've played for the Browns. So we're going to see this game and you're going to tell me their eye test is this their third best game, their fifth best. I'll give you multiple choice. All right. So let's start with Deshaun Watson. He graded out according to PFF.


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[Assistant] I got four. Two seconds, two four zero correct answers. It was his sixth highest graded game. Wow. As a member of the Browns. His second highest was the Tennessee game, a seventy four point six. Is the Brown better than this one? No. His fourth highest against Cincinnati, week one, a sixty six point eight. Washington last year. Week six. Yeah. But that, that was the third. So I thought


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[Assistant] Alright, next up, Amari Cooper, who graded out at a very high 75.5 on Sunday. Amari Cooper, one of his better games. Is that his second best game of the season? This is, this is just for Amari this season. Second best game of the season?


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[Assistant] Four's across the board. Last time, no correct answers. This time, y'all nailed it. His second best game was paddle, a 78.8. This week, his fourth best, 75.5. His seventh best, a 70.3. Almost every game this season. Mark Cooper has been between a 70 and a 79, which is about, that's pretty damn good grade for her.


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[Assistant] They've played nine games, the eighth highest grade or his lowest grade of the season. I bet it's his lowest, second lowest. I'm gonna say eighth.


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[Assistant] His pass rush game in this was high. His run defensive grade was very low. And I just thought, I didn't think of this till right now, the Keaton Mitchell long touchdown run was a draw where they drew him off the field and ran right through that hole. And I'm curious if stuff like that is what dropped him.


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[Assistant] We got one more before I got a crazy stat for you guys. I'm going to bring in Mary Kay with an update on Deshaun's ankle and everything else.


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[Assistant] Greg Newsome, his first career pick type is shout out to your guy. He had graded out at a 79.6. Is that his highest grade of the season, his second highest grade of the season or his third highest grade?


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[Assistant] No, Joseph's deck was right. This blew my mind and I told Earl this morning and Earl was like, get out of here. But it's true. So, the Browns in 2023 have scored 214 points this season. Kareem Hunt has accounted for 36 of those. Wow. Steve?


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[Assistant] Dustin Hopkins has accounted for 86 of those. That means 57% of the points, take it again Steve, another one, 57% of their points this season have come from two players who were not on the Browns roster.


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[Assistant] After the final pre-season game. Wow. Okay, that is an incredible stat. Think about that. Andrew Berry, his drafting you could question. His trades, whatever. His signings, whatever.


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[Assistant] Anytime they were even remotely near the goal line, it was two straight carries for Jamal Williams. More often than not, a touchdown.


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[Assistant] So the Cavs lost last night. They are now 4-6 on the season. They have one more game on their West Coast road trip. They beat Golden State. They lost to Oklahoma City. They have lost now to Sacramento. They play Portland tomorrow. And I want to read you a quote from Donovan Mitchell after last night's game.


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[Assistant] Because you ignored my call this morning in the morning call. You didn't see, we made a little pivot to the caps topic, but this is a direct quote.


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[Assistant] According to Cleveland.com from Chris Fedor from Donovan Mitchell after last night's loss. And I quote, I said, come to me after game 10. Well, this was game 10. We got to figure this shit out.


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[Assistant] They have taken a step backwards through 10 games of the season. Now granted, it is 10 games of an 82 game season. It is too early for any oversweeping generalizations. But guys, when you hear Donovan Mitchell say quote,


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[Assistant] Come to me after game 10, well this was game 10, we gotta figure this shit out. Is that a shot at the coach? Is that a shot at the team?


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[Assistant] This year, the defense is reverted to 16th in the league in points per game allowed. They've gone from one to 16. They dropped 15 spots. The offense still lacks the creativity and playmaking to score the top teams in the league. So if they're not playing defense, they're not going to win. But let's go back to a little brown stock and we are welcomed and we are thrilled to have.


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[Assistant] Kelly Holcomb joining the program. Kelly, former Browns quarterback. We have Tim on every week and now we have Kelly Holcomb joining the program. Kelly, thank you so much for taking some time. How you doing today?


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[Assistant] Mike, go ahead. Kelly, I like to ask any former quarterback we have come on the show this question, but if you could create your optimal offense, so your quarterback, you get a play caller, two receivers, a tight end and a running back.


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[Assistant] Who is fitting around Kelly Holcomb to create the most unstoppable show on term?


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[Assistant] Well, Tim's out this week, he's back next week, but I texted Tim and said, Tim, there's gotta be a story behind Kelly calling you a morphing mouth. He goes, I've never heard that in my life. So, uh, we got to, we got to do a little deep dive on that.


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[Assistant] ArmacDog, happy birthday G Bush, the People's Champ, leader of the Kool-Aid Mafia. Your gift, a 27-17 win over Pittsburgh. Do you think the Dirty Birds got away with a few late hits on Watson for unnecessary roughness calls?


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[Assistant] Professor Chaos says Tyvis Powell had a huge weekend. Newsome got his first pick. Elijah Moore had his good game. So Tyvis, congratulations. You finally got something right.


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[Assistant] Jaydog66 said, don't forget this season's for Jim Brown. We are Super Bowl bound. Kenny Moss said, if


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[Assistant] Eagles beat KC, Bengals beat Baltimore, and we win. Then we're tied for first in the AFC. So we could be coming out of this weekend.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up is from Matthew Culpa. He said, I sent this in the post game show, want to say it here too. Watson played to his contract. Stefanski coached for a new contract. Go Brownies.


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[Assistant] Jaydog66 said it's time to pay Schwartz head coach money so he stays here long term.


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[Assistant] The Never Been Bowl. The Lions and Browns will meet in the Super Bowl. Both have never been.


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[Assistant] By the way, I'm around G so much now that when my dog was like under the table while I was trying to eat, he was being really annoying, and I turned to him and said, Chris, you're out of pocket. That's how often I'm around him right now. And he went.


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[Assistant] Honestly, that's a, that's a punchable offense. Now we don't punch women, but if a man said that, I'd have to punch him.


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[Assistant] The Browns spread on FanDuel as went over that big number from three to three and a half.


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[Assistant] Which is always a big thing when you move a line from three to three and a half. It is. A lot of games end as three point games. I think it's fascinating that Deshaun Watson is speaking.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this goes to a conversation, the G and I were, you know, got into a fighting conversation off the air about Deshaun Watson. He thinks there's some nefarious things going on in play behind the scenes. I don't believe it.


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[Assistant] Okay, so here's the thing. The bottom line is that stuff is all irrelevant. All that matters is what Jimmy Haslam thinks. Now, Jimmy Haslam is a lunatic, right? So we don't know what he's thinking. All I know is...


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[Assistant] I can't believe that. We've reached a point in our society where anybody says anything and we can pretend it's true. It gets less. It gets less. Right? Now, Floreo's different.


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[Assistant] There are crazy things with the Browns. Those things, at least in theory, could benefit


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[Assistant] All I know is if I were the owner of the Browns, if you don't make the playoffs, you're getting fired. I got to find somebody else. So guess what?


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[Assistant] If they're throwing the quarterback under the bus, Jimmy Haslam would know about it. The teammates would know about it if they were purposely doing that. And, and that would set up terrible precedent within the organization and there's no way that would help me. No one would ever want to play here. Let me ask, eh, sometimes


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[Assistant] And I actually had Mary Kay on my podcast today.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that'll be out today, but, but I didn't ask her this question specifically, and I should have. Why, like, has anybody asked Kevin Stefanski what has happened here?


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[Assistant] Why is there the messaging been so off? Yea, now he's so buttoned up. Listen, anything is possible. He doesn't say anything. It's possible you're right. I mean, but we could come up with a theory like this on everything and I just feel like...


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[Assistant] Didn't Stefanski, didn't Stefanski, when he was asked about it after the game, say he will be the starter if he's healthy? Cause that part's being left out.


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[Assistant] But the bottom line is all that matters really is not what the fans think, is what his teammates think, what his coach thinks, what the owner thinks. I mean that's it. But he's got his money in terms of, you know, and that's the same thing for Stavansky.


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[Assistant] What the fans think of Stefanski is irrelevant. All that matters is what the players think, and what the owner thinks.


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[Assistant] Stefanski and Berry did it on purpose. I don't understand. Yeah, I'm not ready to go there. I think that's a bridge too far for me too. Only because I just, I don't see how, you see a benefit. I guess we'll find out because if.


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[Assistant] It goes south from here, and they don't make the playoffs, and those guys don't get fired, well then maybe it did benefit them.


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[Assistant] But that is, the two years in between, the Washington Pro Bowl, he had his last year in Washington, then his first year in Tampa, and then the second year in Tampa when they won the Super Bowl, and he played great. Those two years in between, he threw a...


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[Assistant] The year they won it. Six interceptions. And I credited that to Gruden. The year before they had thrown, he had thrown 13. The year after, believe it or not, he threw 20 picks.


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[Assistant] But, you could, if I were trying to be contrarian and argue against the Browns defense, this could be my argument. Borough was hurt and the weather was terrible. Pittsburgh and Tennessee are awful offensive teams.


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[Assistant] 49ers, again, weather terrible, bad against the Ravens, bad against the Colts.


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[Assistant] When we talk about the all-time great defenses, whether it's the 85 Bears, whether it's the Giants of the 80s, whether it's the Baltimore Ravens, or whether it's the Buccaneers, all those teams had multiple Hall of Famers. Yes, they did. Now, it's still early, but as of right now,


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[Assistant] Okay, as I said, I had Mary Kay on the podcast. We actually recorded it last night. It'll be out later today. And she, like Jason wrote an article recently about


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[Assistant] That would have been something you did four weeks ago, because now if you signed them, they're not ready to go. Those guys need some time. Whereas Jacoby Brissett's been, he hasn't played in the game, but he's been.


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[Assistant] You know, are, are, it seems like they're not even considering it. And she said, yes, it does seem that way right now. I think they should and I think they still might. She made the point like she doesn't think it's too late for them to change their mind. Now we would all argue that this should have happened a while ago. And guess what? The clock is ticking. Yes, but


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[Assistant] Assuming that Washington's willing to trade him. Now we don't know that. Maybe they don't want to trade him. Maybe they like having him around Sam Owl. We have no idea.


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[Assistant] But assuming. Or maybe they value the fact that he's an insurance policy for Sam Howell. Exactly. Because we undervalued that. Right, but we're looking at them as well, they're out of it, so why would they care about that?


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[Assistant] If Washington's willing to trade Jacobian reset, why would the Browns not do it? Like, I can't think of a single reason not to do it.


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[Assistant] That's tough to swallow. There's really no great answer as to why. I would like that question to be asked to Andrew Berry. Andrew Berry spoke a couple weeks ago. He's not talking right now, obviously.


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[Assistant] But I would love to know his answer, and I know they don't give you any straight answers or anything, but why would you not look to upgrade? There's, there's no metric you could point to where PJ, where the Browns quarterbacks all this year have not been the worst in football.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, PJ Walker and DTR have thrown six picks in three games.


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[Assistant] And the way you won against Indianapolis is unsustainable. They won a game where the defense played poorly and the quarterback was awful. Like, if I tell you your quarterback is going to be awful and your defense is going to be awful,


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[Assistant] If the Browns have had any kicker that they've had since Phil Dawson, besides this guy, they're 2 and 4 right now. You're right. You're right, Mikey.


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[Assistant] He also said he may have rushed back. I'm sorry if you didn't say that. If you said that, I'm repeating.


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[Assistant] Says he may have rushed back. I wasn't 100% last week. I thought I was. I wasn't ready. Some more of the quotes.


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[Assistant] The concern was the shoulder from the jump. I didn't know about the concussion test until the second time in the medical tent. I wanted to go back in, but it was a team decision.


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[Assistant] I'd be happy with that. I'd be happy with that. The tricky thing is, whether you like this or not, it's the reality. The quarterbacks have a lot to say. I thought Joe Burrow should have gone, watching him the first four weeks, like Joe Burrow finally looked healthy to me the last two games. Watching him, I was like, they should have put him on IR to start the season. He should have missed the four games. But Joe Burrow's like, I want to gut it out.


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[Assistant] So if the quarterback's saying, I wanna cut it out and push through, yeaah, there's part of you that's like, well, I'm the adult, I gotta stop him. But...


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[Assistant] These guys wanna play, G. That factors in. Jake Rudin even said, I don't know if he said it to Mike, off the air or whatever.


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[Assistant] He's like, man, if a quarterback wants to play, it's kind of hard to say no. And it's not, let's not make that seem like the Browns are the only team that does it. Now I agree they botched the situation and I agree that they probably should have put them on IR. But a lot of teams,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I killed Baker for being rabbit ear- to ra- having rabbit ears. And I gotta be critical of Dejaun Watson a little bit. I agree.


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[Assistant] Like, why's he blocking me for? How do you even know that? Because I tried to, I was, I was putting out a, I put out a tweet about Brady Quinn being a hypocrite, and I referenced the thing he said about Zach Wilson last year. Yes. And in it, I tagged... Deshaun. I tagged Brady Quinn, I tagged Deshaun, and I tagged Quincy Avery.


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[Assistant] And when I tried to tag Deshaun, or when I, I had to fi- I could remember what his Twitter handle was offhand. Yeah. So when I looked it up, it said I was blocked.


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[Assistant] And I was like, I mean, I haven't been very critical, but like, and I certainly have defended him in a lot of ways in terms of the off the field stuff. You've been a lot more of his


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[Assistant] Because it just leads to aggravation. Last night I'm like to my wife, I want to tweet about the Speaker of the House. I want to tweet about the Speaker of the House. She's like, don't do it! It's not going to get you anywhere!


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[Assistant] See, if you put the question as, and I don't know how the questions were asked, but if you put the question as, hey, there have been, you know, when you ask, well there's former players.


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[Assistant] Fair enough, even Kenny Pickett, who is painfully mediocre on a good day, is way better than PJ Walker, who's the worst quarterback I've ever seen in my life, except for maybe Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel. Now, I'm taking all the shots.


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[Assistant] Aditi, couldn't you trade a fourth round pick for Andy Dalton or Jacoby Brissette? Those guys are way better than PJ Walker. No?


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[Assistant] But that's, you're right, obviously you're right, but that's a huge difference. Jalen Hurts is playing and playing not as well as last year, but he's still playing pretty well.


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, and as far as the defense, like, I think this is a big week for the defense. Because the reality is, they've been great at times.


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[Assistant] But they did not play great against Baltimore. They then played great against San Francisco. And then they didn't, outside of Myles Garrett, they really didn't play well at all last week. Like he carried the defense.


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting this week because Seattle's a way better team, in my opinion, than Indianapolis. They've got a better quarterback. They've got just as good a running back, if not better. Uh, they've got better wide receivers. Uh, they're, and they got a good, you know, solid defense. It's a pretty interesting team. It's a tough test for the Browns.


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[Assistant] It's not sustainable to win the way they won last week. You're not, you can't win when, the defense made game changing plays no doubt, but you can't win games where your quarterback stinks and you, you're, and the other team's offense, you know, uh, what's his name?


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[Assistant] Who's the Colts quarterback? You think I forgot his name? Gardner-Mitchell. Gardner-Mitchell look great against them. So, that, that can't happen again. If they're gonna win, they gotta play lights out defense. Across the court.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm never expecting him to be Wemby, ever, ever. No, do you think, will you just, like, are you saying the same thing as Jay, that based on one game? Oh, no, no, no, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't mean based on one game.


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[Assistant] Right, exactly. Well I gotta, I think we need to bring in the king of the, of the cat, of the mobly Kool-Aid, Earl.


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[Assistant] Aren't the Nets suppo- I could be wrong about this. Nets aren't supposed to be good this year. No they're not! Aren't the Nets supposed to be a bad defensive team?


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[Assistant] Let me ask a quick question before we wrap this up to the guys who know basketball better than I do. Is it possible?


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[Assistant] That Max Struse, it's a ridiculous question to ask after one game. But is it possible he could, this guy could end up having a lorry market in type of season where the guy was a good player and then he went to a new spot and he became an all-star caliber player? Possible? Or impossible?


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[Assistant] Do you think Brissette is the right guy of the veterans that are available?


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[Assistant] But Watson described it as a baseball injury, a more typical baseball injury. So baseball players are not taking hits on the field.


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[Assistant] The Browns have to make a move for another quarterback because it feels like Deshaun Watson, whether they try to play him or not, is not really going to be helpful to help the team win this year. That's what, that's the way it seems based on what you're saying.


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[Assistant] Why don't the team stop the players from doing that?


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[Assistant] But if Deshaun, like, the way Deshaun threw the ball, it was clear he wasn't right, right? Right off the bat. So like, didn't they see that in practice?


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[Assistant] Uh, this is, you know, so listen, hey, the bottom line is Bernie's right. We've been, this, this whole show in a way has felt like a funeral, but the truth is the Browns are four and two.


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[Assistant] And even though the way they won specifically last week is not sustainable, the defense is going to have to carry the team and they are going to have to get better quarterback play. And it seems to, I think, I think we're all in agreement that the only way to get better quarterback play is from outside.


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[Assistant] They would have to. They would have to. It's not sustainable to keep winning with P.J. Walker. They've been very lucky.


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[Assistant] How about Brady the superstar, Belichick the superstar coach? What do you think the dynamic was there? So Brady did whatever he wanted.


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[Assistant] Victory Monday! Kool-Aid time! And as our director said, he's not sure if that came out of Lake Erie. I can dispel that myth. Gee, but mix that up before the show.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go around the horn. Shotgun reaction to yesterday's win that puts the Browns at seven and three and a half game out of first place in the north. I thought my Browns had a great day.


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[Assistant] I love that analogy. I don't know anything about what you're talking about, but I love the analogy that he's coming at this from a different angle. That's what geniuses do. Not saying he's a genius, but what he did yesterday and what he's done this year, to your point,


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[Assistant] We have all of a sudden enveloped the stealers culture.


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[Assistant] We're doing it with great defense. It is not a good offense, but the offense knows coming into the game because of the defense they have, they don't need to be great. It's okay if you run it a lot.


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[Assistant] It's okay if you don't get a lot of yards on the ground. What was interesting to me yesterday...


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[Assistant] Was, the game played out exactly how we set it with Friday. Really, you said 10-9? Mhm. I had 17-13. It was low scoring.


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[Assistant] They, they checked all those boxes. Miles made a couple of big plays when he needed to. Miles Garrett, again, he didn't do anything to hurt himself in defensive player of the year, uh, hunt.


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[Assistant] Is a slow and gradual turning of the Brown's ship.


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[Assistant] Their point on the horizon is changing as we're watching them.


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[Assistant] They now have the confidence, whether it's DTR or PJ Walker or Deshaun Watson. All three of those quarterbacks have come in against big odds at the end of the game when they have not been moving the ball.


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[Assistant] And Kevin called the right plays at the exact right time. I was screaming the entire game, throw the ball downfield, throw the ball downfield. I was not. Keep them honest. I wanted one a quarter. I thought they would take a


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[Assistant] Bears and Jets should be winning. Look at the Bill schedule, guys. Go look at their schedule. Here. Chiefs. Uh, Eagles.


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[Assistant] No, you're right, because for it to be an error, it's got to be three years, but I can show you where it's two years, and this is the third year of declining offensive production. Go back to 2020.


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[Assistant] Total numbers from all games. And it's a pretty clear delineation that it is a much more defensive minded game. Saks are through the roof now. Saks are through the roof. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you said that because someone that watches the show regularly said, you're highlighting the winners. Make sure that you talk about the losers. And of course, to be responsible, we do both. That's right. There are obviously a lot more losers than winners.


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[Assistant] So uhm, I, I went back and I started thinking, I remember a time when the Buccaneers were going through the same thing where when they made the switch from Dilford to Sean King.


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[Assistant] All the receivers said the same thing because they went through a period of drops and this isn't the first time there's other instances of this happening, particularly when you're switching from a righty to a lefty. But in this case, I think it's, I think Deshaun throws a decent ball, but what you're looking at here is the guy that throws as hard as anybody that's come out of the combine since they've been measuring that.


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[Assistant] There, it's just a little bit different. It's probably the difference of hitting 95 and 98. You can adjust, but you have to see it. And I remember the Bucks actually having conversations internally about


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[Assistant] Yes, you're absolutely right. It is harder to adjust it when you're closer to the quarterback. The ball comes out with smoke. Definitely, and I don't want to change that at all. I don't want to wash that out of them. The receivers will adjust. I look at the stats, not in a vacuum, but as they were accumulated. The interception, I don't count against him.


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[Assistant] The drops, give him half of the drops. Now he's 28 of 43. And in a vacuum, even though it's probably only 190 yards, those are good numbers.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm gonna make a point later in the show about how offensive numbers are down. 300 yard passing games, guys. Used to be somewhat normal.


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[Assistant] Not anymore. Not anymore. Patrick Mahomes used to throw up 300 yards a game.


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[Assistant] He's had it three times this season. It is, uh, I read a really good article that was written by, um, Nate, the Yahoo guy. I've got his name. I'll dig it out. No, Nate.


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[Assistant] It begins with an F. He did a deep dive on the offenses and how they've regressed. And, uh, his basic...


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[Assistant] Conclusion was, it has a lot to do with the teams allocating more assets to the defense.


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[Assistant] They have steadily gone down yards per game, points per game every year to where this year we're going to be the lowest in more than since 2008.


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[Assistant] So, it's really gone back down. So,


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[Assistant] We used to look at the yards fit for a great game for a quarterback with 300 yards. Not anymore. It's more like 250. Maybe even less. We haven't had many 250 yard passing performances this year.


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[Assistant] And we've got seven wins. So you can win differently this year. And that's why I love this bronze team's chances. We have a defense that will keep us in most of the games this year.


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[Assistant] It has. We've beaten every team on our schedule this year but one. Think about that.


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[Assistant] There's only two or three teams with more victories in the NFL than the Browns. And one of them has played 11 games.


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[Assistant] So, you know, everything is trendy. I know what it looks like on the disaster, because if you'd have given me these facts before the season started, I would have said, oh, season's over, it's the gentleman's pun. You're gonna get a draft pick and you're gonna move on.


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[Assistant] Odd that Cincinnati finds themselves in that position and we find ourselves in the driver's seat in the AFC North. And I know people are going to look at me and say, no we're not. Yes we are. We are in our, in the driver's seat and the Browns control their own destiny. Win out, you win the division.


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[Assistant] And you probably, you're in the mix for home field advantage. Depending on what happens tonight in Kansas City, with Kansas City and Philadelphia, you could still be in that conversation. I don't think we are.


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[Assistant] Sure, what does the opponent do best? What does the opponent do worst? Attack that, stay away from the other team's strength. That's what, that's what he's doing.


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[Assistant] It's funny when they do it now. I can't believe it. I thought the same thing. Right? I said it's third and 12th. They get 13. You got to be kidding me before last year.


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[Assistant] Defense with Jim Schwartz. This coaching staff, guys.


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[Assistant] One thing quick, I'm probably the only guy old enough to remember this. I know none of you guys will remember this. Maybe some of our viewers will. Watching yesterday, DTR wearing number 17.


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[Assistant] Out of his ass. Time and time and time and time again. I think nine times they trailed in the fourth quarter and came back to win that year.


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[Assistant] I have noticed the exact same thing. What I've noticed is, and not just him, but league wide, I'm noticing a lot, a big return to the old days. Not that they're, you know, teams are still more aggressive with their play calling, but I'm now seeing teams punting the ball more than they were the last couple of years in those midfield situations.


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[Assistant] I think the Browns outgained the Steelers, this is the first time this year, and the Browns total offense, what was it? 260 something? 250? 260?


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[Assistant] Uh, that, if you would have covered up the face and just given me the text, that's something that Browns players typically say after a Steelers game.


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[Assistant] Because look, you're not calling certain plays if you don't think you've got the quarterback that can carry them out. Yes. And the one thing I wanted to ask on Stefanski and DTR moving forward was,


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[Assistant] Do you think, Jay, he's more likely now to take the chains off of DTR, particularly the way he handled that last game drive, build some confidence,


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[Assistant] DTR was emotional when the game was over, guys. He was wiping tears. I love it. But it also tells me that he was, he was carrying a huge burden. And I think those were tears of relief. Wow.


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[Assistant] The run game is going nowhere. If every team we play moving forward has all 11 defenders within 10 yards of the ball, you're not running it.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's challengeable, I don't know that, but I do know this, it is a rule. So I think it allows the replay official to look at that, when did the helmet come off, and then determine that that's where the progress was stopped.


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[Assistant] Well, you punch from the 20 and typically you can punt the ball 60 to 65 yards in the air. So they probably would have been significantly behind the 50 yard line.


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[Assistant] I thought when the Giants signed Daniel Jones off last year, I'm like,


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[Assistant] Can't, can't we see a little bit more of that before we decide that we're gonna make this guy a franchise paint quarterback?


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[Assistant] I don't believe you'd say his entire time he's had two really good seasons.


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[Assistant] So that would be the urgency right there. If this guy goes on to win a Super Bowl, the price of Kevin Stefanski goes up dramatically.


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[Assistant] If you're sitting in the front office and you're thinking, this team could go all the way. This team could go to a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] I've asked around, is he a candidate? He absolutely is going to be a candidate. Is? At his age, he will be a candidate. It's a little too early to start talking about. I'm not going to worry about that.


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[Assistant] I got a couple of guys that would say, well hell yeaah, he's a candidate, look what he's done. A couple of other guys have said age and previous experience as a head coach. Right.


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[Assistant] We'll, we'll work against him. And obviously you can see why that would be. Seems like all young coaches these days. I know they do.


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[Assistant] I remember that drive specifically because I think that was the one where we just dodged a big, big hole. After the 25 year punt, I started thinking...


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[Assistant] It's kind of like when baseball, when you need to bunt, what do you do? You put the pinch hitter in that can lay down the bunt. When the situation calls for, and by the way, when you put a guy in who's better in pass block and it's third and 12, everybody in the stadium knows what they're doing anyhow.


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[Assistant] But I'm all for it. I would like to see more rotation of offensive linemen so they can have fresh legs because one of the things that we've seen in this, you know, if we all can agree that we're moving towards a more defensive game, I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that these defensive linemen


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[Assistant] It started in Philly a couple of years ago as a trend, but now everybody's doing it. Gee, you watch that position more closely than anyone. To me, it seems like the rotation and the situational use of those guys, they're using more of them and their play count is down and that's making them press.


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[Assistant] Who's, in wrestling, one of the great equalizers is you're both the same, you both expended the same amount of energy. Right. But in football, if the defensive lineman has played 42 plays, and he's going against an offensive lineman that's played 60 plays,


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[Assistant] It's miles by miles. The sack rate is 7.2% right now. That's the highest. This is in the red zone. Jason, you made a point earlier about how teams are kinda giving up yards between the 20s.


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[Assistant] Uhm, a lot of the stats that I found on this rising defensive prowess was particularly in the red zone. And one of the things that really jumped out to me was the sack rate.


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[Assistant] Uh, inside the red zone now is at 7.2%. That's the highest since they've been tracking this stat.


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[Assistant] Most of these stats go back to 2000 because that's when the game really got, I think, you know, slowed down for all these numbers.


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[Assistant] The league now is allocating more assets to the defensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] And you're starting to see this renaissance in defensive philosophy. It kind of ebbs and flows. Once upon a time, defense was, won championships. But that wasn't the case in the late teens. Well, we'll see if it's, it's going to be fascinating to see the playoffs this year. What happens to the Kansas City's and, and, and, uh, Philadelphia's.


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[Assistant] Really good. Yes. I think the Chiefs right now scare the hell out of, should scare the hell out of everybody. Yeah. Even though they're not doing what they usually do.


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[Assistant] How old do you think he is? I'd say he's 35. 38. 38? I think that's 39. Okay.


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[Assistant] You guys agree with that? Yeah, I don't want to see him. I'm exactly the same place. I don't want to see him unless there's an injury or unless DTR is 9 of 24 with four picks. Like okay, then break glass in case of emergency. Yeah, right. That situation.


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[Assistant] I just think, I don't think there's really anything bad about this. Someone texted me this morning, ooh, Deshaun's going to be pissed. No, he's not. What? Well, you know, it's like, oh, why are they bringing a veteran in to do what Deshaun can do? Well, Deshaun can't step on the field.


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[Assistant] Is there a reason that we haven't thought of that organizationally like contracts? Because it was weird. They brought them in last week.


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[Assistant] Did you think they had a handshake deal? Because my fear was this. Oh shit, he's taking a flight to Cincinnati right now and the Bengals are going to sign him.


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[Assistant] That means DTR is helping playing one. Because I think the only way you break that glass is if it's an emergency. You're either down big and he's played horribly, or he's


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[Assistant] That's a fair point too. Yeah. Do you think there's any rules changes on the horizon when it comes to quarterbacks? One of the things that I noticed, and this is fantasy football, but it's kind of the same thing.


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[Assistant] The quarterbacks are, they're very slim picking, we know that, but there are situations more this year than any before because we've already had 50 quarterbacks in the league take snaps, start games.


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[Assistant] These quarterbacks were in this situation, like if the Browns lose, we're to lose PJ Walker, not that he's a commodity.


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[Assistant] Yeah, rosters. To protecting these guys. Well, they did change the rules. I know, but like, so you have even more flexibility moving forward to protect a guy like DTR.


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[Assistant] We won somehow this year. It happened with, with Dobbs who looked pretty good last night in defeat again.


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[Assistant] He wasn't supposed to. The quarterback they had got hurt. Right, exactly. In the game.


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[Assistant] These kicks have been, and by the way guys, these kicks aren't, a lot of them aren't chippies.


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[Assistant] He's hit 58, 57, and 56 yard field goals this year. He still leads the NFL and most makes over 50 yards. And, and his, and the knock against him was, oh, he's 50% over 50 yards. He had been bad. He had been fat. I gotta tell ya, we, we're, we beat the Browns up when they make the wrong moves. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But in the grand scheme of things, if you look at the global view of the, the, the defensive coordinator, the kicker, the special teams coach, and DTR.


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[Assistant] The odds of hitting on a third round wide receiver are way higher and they can't get that right.


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[Assistant] We sh- we could go through and get a consensus hit or miss on all of his draft picks so far and see what his percentage is.


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[Assistant] And we'd have to come up with the contestants. And obviously this year there'd be a lot of TBDs because we don't know about DTR. We don't know about Cedric Tillman.


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[Assistant] You made the reference last week to the Dragon Ball Z reference. Uh, on this defense, who's the Goku? Who's the Vegeta?


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[Assistant] Wow, I mean I don't know if there's any higher honor that a media member


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[Assistant] After an NFL win and that I think encapsulates and embodies what Jim Donovan has meant, not just to this organization, but to our entire city.


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[Assistant] It's very rare that a broadcaster of any kind has that kind of an impact, but he has broken through that ceiling.


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[Assistant] And just, he's one of a kind. And what's most amazing to me about all of it is the fact that Jimmy's a Boston guy. He's not a Clevelander, but you never


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[Assistant] Know that. He feels like one of us and always has. And that's why he's worked in this market for more than 40 years, guys.


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[Assistant] Because he understands what makes the Cleveland fan go.


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[Assistant] And he is an honorary Clevelander and Cleveland sports fan. What just an incredible.


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[Assistant] Well, you'll, you'll know this. I think that uhm, when you're a team,


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[Assistant] But what Jimmy's done, and there's a couple guys across the country, I think Michael K's earned that status with the Yankees.


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[Assistant] And that equity is very important that you don't betray that trust with the audience.


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[Assistant] Anybody that I've had people tell me before, I always used to get in this conversation with folks at ESPN that would say, yeah, Jimmy's great. You know, he, he is, cause I've always said we've got the best baseball and we've got the best football.


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[Assistant] Now that free and open to debate and disagree, that's fine. I am a homer when it comes to that, but I think for my money, I don't want to listen to anybody but Tommy and Jimmy. End of discussion. It's all subjective. I get it.


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[Assistant] But I had somebody once tell me, well, you know, I can't count those guys as being great because all the radio guys are homers.


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[Assistant] The TV guys have the most difficult job because they have to placate both teams. Get that, understandable. Jimmy is anything but a homer.


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[Assistant] When this team, and this is why he's so beloved here. When this team is playing like ass, Jimmy will go on the radio.


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[Assistant] That's one of my favorite Jimmy calls. Guess what? He missed it. It sums Jim up in the nutshell. That's what we were saying. He didn't sugarcoat it. He never does. And Tom Hamilton the same way. Same way.


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[Assistant] To me, a homer implicates you're not objective.


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[Assistant] Jimmy is absolutely objective. So if the two can't be mutually exclusive and you know, if you're a homer, you can't be objective.


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[Assistant] Then no, Jimmy has never been a homer. And the one reason I used to love so much. The thing I missed the most when I moved away from Ohio in 1987


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[Assistant] was listening to Jim Donovan on the football play-by-play calls.


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[Assistant] As technology developed and I was able to start listening to the games again in various cities, whether it was Tampa or whether it was in the New York area, whatever, it shortened


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[Assistant] The distance from where I sat, from where I was from.


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[Assistant] It instantly for those three hours every Sunday put me back in my parents house.


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[Assistant] And so, and I know I'm not alone. I speak for tens of thousands of fans that are in California, Texas, Florida, worldwide that listen to his call. And for those three hours, everything's okay in the world. You're closer to home. Jimmy, welcome back. We love you. The newsroom upstairs.


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[Assistant] You will do it with Jim Donovan. And I gotta tell you, when he left, he and I had a private conversation before the five o'clock show.


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[Assistant] And I wished him well and I said, when do we have to wait to get you back? And he said, Jay, my hope is November, December.


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[Assistant] I thought he was out of his mind. I said, Jimmy, we'll see you then.


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[Assistant] It's just not doable. It's not doable. I talked to doctors, not his doctor, but I talked to other oncologists who told me, oh, that's not wildly, uh, that's not wildly optimistic. That's almost improbable, if not impossible. And here he is, Jim Donovan.


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[Assistant] Yes. You know this year, uh, the Steelers in two games against the Browns had right around 400 yards of offense. 150 of it came on two plays. Yeah.


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[Assistant] The Browns defense has held the Steelers offense to around 250 yards. That, that's mind blowing. I don't care how bad Kenny Pickett is.


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[Assistant] And that's what allowed the long run. He needs to run more towards the 50 and the sidelines to cut it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but obviously if all things were equal, you'd much rather have the more experienced player in the high.


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[Assistant] I like him. I like him. I like that we're going to the Columbus Well more often.


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[Assistant] You know, for years and years and years, we avoided Ohio State players and Pittsburgh took them and they became impact players there. Hell, they still have one playing at a Hall of Fame level there.


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[Assistant] You don't want to rush back with a hamstring. Yeah, no, let it heal. I mean, it takes some time, but yeah, let it heal.


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[Assistant] I have to say though, you have to change that when you tell that story from now on. I've met Ben on a number of occasions. We worked on one project together. I found him to be


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[Assistant] If someone came up to me and said, oh, you're gonna hate Bull. Bull's a jackass.


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[Assistant] I had a very good friend who was a good friend of his high school coach. So maybe he treated me differently and at the time I was at ESPN, so he probably gave me more cache than I deserved when we met. But I have heard many other people say he's a total ass.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. The Steelers. I know. When was the last time the Browns beat the Steelers in Cleveland?


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[Assistant] They had moved to the Browns, and they talked about Miles Garrett as Defensive Player of the Year candidate, and then he added two more sacks to his total. He's on pace to break the sack record, isn't he?


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[Assistant] Those are 73. Yes, that's a fact. Yeaah. Yeaah. So, I mean, they're gonna, look, you can't ignore a 7 and 3. You can't do it. There's only...


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[Assistant] To all that, like, what does it mean? Last night, I watched the entire Sunday Night Football, the hour and a half pregame show, and then the entire game.


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[Assistant] Chris Collinsworth was effusive in his praise. Just one kind thing to say after another. And often times...


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[Assistant] Now the bullseyes on your back. They lost last night. I know it was a tough situation. Denver's getting a lot better. It was a hostile environment at Denver. But, you know, I, I've, that's why I say I don't care what the national media is talking about. It never equates to wins. People get too worked up about that. People get too worked up. It never equates to wins. And to my point,


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[Assistant] My preference is, don't talk about us. That's okay. Let us hide underneath that radar. Right. Browns were one and a half point gone. And we'll see you in January.


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[Assistant] Broadcast teams where you know what you're going to get. Right. It's just going to get the meat and potatoes. Then when you watch the next tier up, the Nance and Romo's, the, you know, Joe Buck, those guys give you a little bit more. Oh yea, Ian Eagle. Ian Eagle's in that class.


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[Assistant] The awful decision that I beat them up for a couple weeks ago for not flexing Pittsburgh and Cleveland. That game last night ended up being a pretty good game.


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[Assistant] So that, that brings even more credence to the idea that there's a little extra zip on those balls. One of the reasons guys like to use jugs is to adjust to.


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[Assistant] So he's under center and they're running a pitch play, a sweep left.


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[Assistant] And he throws it to Dobbs and just before, he wouldn't have gotten the first down anyhow, but he got lit up and fumbled the football.


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[Assistant] So it all, it has to be the perfect storm. And with the idea that offense has regressed and that defense is playing a bigger role in the NFL, that might be a factor. But to your point, he's going to have to break the sack record. The Browns are going to have to get the number one overall seed and he's going to have to be a slam dunk in the defensive player of the year.


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[Assistant] Just because there's nobody else that came to mind. And so I'll tell you, look, Mahomes, we think Mahomes, 40 touchdowns. Mahomes is on pace to have 30 touchdown passes this year. Nah, that ain't gonna work. He threw 50. And there's some Mahomes, and some...


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[Assistant] I think it's a, I don't want to dismiss it completely. I think there is a chance it's very slim. I'd give him the same chance that there was when Woodson won the Heisman Trophy. Very, very slim.


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[Assistant] Because I was saying this, but I wanted to see more of them yesterday, but I can predict the results. When you have 11 defenders.


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[Assistant] And with that, Jay, let's talk a little to Sean Watson. He brought this up on the show yesterday.


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[Assistant] That the way Brown's fans reacted to his two touchdown, 220 yard performance against Arizona was a bit odd considering the circumstances and the level of play we saw from DW4. So I guess my question, and gee, I'll let you kind of start with this, but.


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[Assistant] I wasn't in town, so I didn't, fans were disrespecting him? Hmm. G, you can bring it up. I'll let you kinda explain the situation.


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[Assistant] I thought it was pretty split, uh, but there was more...


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[Assistant] Guys, Kevin Stefanski said yesterday, Jed Wills will be out four to six weeks with a MCL injury, but he is not done for the season.


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[Assistant] With Baltimore and Pittsburgh and some other tough pass rushes coming up.


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[Assistant] It's good news. So my question is, for the next four to six weeks, how do the Browns have to shuffle, if anything, their offensive line to keep the Sean upright?


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[Assistant] Jay, real quick, so how, if you were to solve this situation without Jay Willis for the next four weeks, do you move someone over or how do you approach that?


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[Assistant] Where can I get it? Can we save that for one sec? Cause we do have David with us now. So let's welcome on Brown's tight end. He got a text. So it's going to pop back in a sec, but here he is. David and Joku Brown's tight end making his UCSA debut. What's up David?


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[Assistant] Alright guys, I'm gonna give you a PFF grade. You tell me how the PFF graders did in terms of delivering the grade. And I'm gonna just give a little spoiler alert now.


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[Assistant] PFF was very kind to the Browns and rightfully so in their grading this week. We'll start with the only offensive player on the list. We're going to do mostly defense because the defense was phenomenal and they graded out super high, but Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] According to PFF, a 78.5, his second highest grade as a member of the Cleveland Browns. Do you agree with PFF? How did PFF do in terms of grading DeShawna? What are we saying here? A, B, C, D. A if you think that's spot on, an F if you think it's way far off.


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[Assistant] You know what, on the Arizona Cardinals and the PFF Grades back, we're gonna go highest to lowest.


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[Assistant] Graded Browns player from PFF. You guys tell me if you agree. Highest graded Browns defensive player. How about Taki Taki? 93 grade.


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[Assistant] I didn't see him. Did he ever pick this game? He had a pick, yea. How many?


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[Assistant] I bet you the next two would not be who you have in your top three either. Wow. Number two, the second highest grade of Brown's defensive player, Shelby Harris, 91. I mean, he had a good game. He had a good game.


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[Assistant] What's his stats? Three tackles, three stops, five targets, two catches. No.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up, and these are some names that we definitely saw play a little more. Miles Garrett.


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[Assistant] The first time in his career, he is graded at an 89.6 and wasn't the Brown's highest graded defensive player. He was technically fourth, but still had an 89.6. See, that's, that's


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[Assistant] All right, next up is a Darius Smith, 87.9.


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[Assistant] A guy who's here playing defensive tackle in place of Perry on Winfrey Davin Tomlinson at three sacks. He graded out at 85.4.


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[Assistant] I like that. Alright, next up, Grant Delpit, who had another double digit tackle game, 84.7.


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[Assistant] The last of the 80's for the Browns. Ogbo, 83 on the dot. Okay.


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[Assistant] Alright, according to PFF, the number one overall grade, I am wrong.


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[Assistant] I found a couple. Andrew Whitworth, the left tackle for the Bengals in week 15 of 2010 had a 98.4 overall.


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[Assistant] Uh, Logan Mankins in 2008 had a 98.2.


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[Assistant] In 2018, week 5, 98 overall grade. No kiddin'. Wow.


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[Assistant] Wow. Vernon Davis had a, yea, 98.4 is the highest ever. Alright, last thing real quick. Any name we haven't mentioned that you think should be in the 80s?


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[Assistant] So a couple options here, these are guys who've graded anywhere from literally 78 to not so hot, but Anthony Walker, Thornhill, Emerson, Jok, Elliott.


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[Assistant] If you like Cedric Tillman and you like PFF grades, then this was not a great showing for The Rock.


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[Assistant] We got 10 minutes though before we read some Super Chat today and the Guardians have hired a new manager in Steven Vought. We touched on it quickly yesterday. You didn't get a chance to chime in on it, but I want to hear your thoughts on the Steven Vought hiring. Then I want to hear Tyvis and G on having a guy go from being a teammate


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[Assistant] So essentially a year later, potentially being a guy's manager. This guy was in major league baseball in 2022, was a coach for one year and now is the guardian skipper. So I want to hear your thoughts on the overall hire. I need you to tell me something.


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[Assistant] Online at precast.com slash careers to learn more. We got a couple, we got to fly through the first few are about Jay's beard. Damien Frederick says, Jay looks like Wilson. He all says G.


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[Assistant] Professor Chaos says, since when did Brett Favre join UCSS? I got a lot of Brett Favre. I heard that a lot. Don Tavius Winston says, PJ only threw screens and slants. That's why Jed Wills was good, barely at the block. He'll go back to his old ways. That's a good point. When Watson's back in the lineup.


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[Assistant] Hey, a lot, obviously, Brown's, uh, galore on today's show, but you wanted to get into some Stephen Vogt stuff.


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[Assistant] I have two. I love it. Same with you. Everybody I talk to about them.


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[Assistant] Glowing bark. Nobody had anything even, I even asked a couple folks, anything negative? No. Don't have anything for you on that. Nothing. Everybody likes them. I love what you said about the mix between gut and analytics. We talk all the time about how the pendulum swings.


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[Assistant] You know, the last two World Series managers are 68 and 76.


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[Assistant] And so I do think that there is more infusion of feel into the process, which I think is a good thing.


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[Assistant] Which is one of the reasons Dusty Baker is gone. Dusty Baker's gonna manage again, from what I'm told. Which shocked me. I was, I asked- That is stunning. The first person that said it to me, I said,


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[Assistant] Is that your guess? Is it? No. I think he's going to manage again. He didn't like being handcuffed with analytics. And he wants to go somewhere where he can manage the team. So it would be interesting to see if that comes true or not. And quick shout out to Steven Vogt. I think that's a good hire.


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[Assistant] He's just, you know, he's probably gonna be, you know, the Joe Buck of the next generation. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] Alright, yeah, big offensive day. We're going to break down the Browns offense and the Ravens offense for Sunday's.


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[Assistant] upcoming game between the, uh, Browns and the Ravens, big AFC North class. Leroy Hoard's going to be on looking forward to that. And, uh, and much, much more. This is a new segment, right? This, uh, this thing is this pace sustainable? Yes.


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[Assistant] The answer is it better be, because when you look at some of these game averages for these key offensive pieces, you scratch your head and say, how's this team five and three?


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[Assistant] Because what the, what the wide receivers have contributed is, are you taking a Mari Cooper out of this mix? My goodness.


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[Assistant] Who's having a fine season? It's having one of his better seasons. But is anybody else really having a good season? No, I mean who's gonna be on the Pro Bowl from the offense?


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[Assistant] Nobody. Nobody. I mean, that's tough. I mean, maybe. Maybe Cooper.


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[Assistant] We have to get Cory up. I'm pretty sure he uses FanDuel. He had a $300, uh, parlay on the Browns on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, let's just dive right in, uh, and I, I thought your starting point today was interesting because on the surface you would say there's...


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[Assistant] Fairly large gap between Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] And that's what we're talking about, but you went an interesting way. Your question was, has he closed the gap with the way he played on Sunday? Because if you would have asked this question before Sunday's game, you're like, what kind of question is that? I mean, one's playing at, you know, a Pro Bowl caliber level and the other one


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[Assistant] Has been out with injury, has been below average for most of his starts and really good in the Tennessee game but I think he was very good in the Arizona game by what we've seen from him so far. Has he closed that gap between the two? Jason?


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[Assistant] I like what you said. If you watch the games, he hasn't needed to be Lamar Jackson three years ago. Their run game has really come into their own. And I think because of that, Jay, they're a more difficult team to play. It's not just him.


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[Assistant] How many rushing touchdowns does he have? I think he's got five.


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[Assistant] That, you know, he doesn't have to be Superman. No, he doesn't have to do as much. He's got pieces now, and I think what I really love about this team, more than anything else, is the balance that we're seeing from them.


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[Assistant] They can beat you really three ways. They can beat you with their running game. They can beat you with Lamar throwing the ball. Or they can beat you with, I don't even put Lamar in with their running game because it's so different. Those are non-called running plays. Sure.


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[Assistant] When offenses get in trouble, and you can certainly throw the Browns in this category, it's when they, when they take sacks, when the pockets break down and they throw interceptions.


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[Assistant] With Baltimore, the way Lamar's playing right now, they're not doing that. He's extending plays, he's making plays. The nine touchdowns, you're right. It's not eye-popping. No, none of these stats are eye-popping.


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[Assistant] Are they the team to beat in the AFC?


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[Assistant] Wow. And I'll go, you know, project out. So at the end of the year, is this seven and two sustainable?


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[Assistant] Come into play for this team, and I feel like we're starting to see the impacts of


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[Assistant] And can it work in the playoffs? Yeaah. And the answer, really, on the sustainability part is to be determined, but the playoff part, I think it's pretty clear.


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[Assistant] We were talking about the Sean Watson and the fact that the fan base...


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[Assistant] Seems to be G was saying that he thinks the fanbase is overly negative. Nobody else on the panel really agreed with that.


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[Assistant] But the one thing that we talked about with this whole thing is I had brought up the point, look.


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[Assistant] The question was, does he have to win a Super Bowl for the fan base to fall in love with him?


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[Assistant] And short of doing that, you gotta beat Baltimore. You gotta beat Pittsburgh. You can't win this division without beating Baltimore and Pittsburgh. It's just, it's impossible. It can't happen.


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[Assistant] You can't win the Super Bowl Sunday, but this, games like this is why he is here. It's why the Browns gave him 230. It's why they gave up three first round draft picks. You want to win fans over? Beat Baltimore.


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[Assistant] That's the difference between Arizona and Baltimore. Yeah. One of the things that's interesting with, I was reading some stats that caught my eye yesterday.


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[Assistant] The Browns, when they play man, and they're a heavy man defense, force the lowest QBR in the NFL. But the Ravens are number two, and that scared me because


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[Assistant] What he can't do is turn the ball over. It's really that elementary. You turn the ball over, you give a team a short field,


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[Assistant] You cut your chances of winning that game significantly. And because the Baltimore defense has been so good, almost as good as Cleveland, when they're playing man, that gives me reason for pause. Now I'm not predicting that he can't go up there and do big things.


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[Assistant] But I'm a little nervous about it because this like you said, this is not Arizona's defense.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Receiver is part of the title. Yeaah. You know, you had one job. Yeaah, right. And then he certainly didn't do it here. Alright, so we agree there's pretty wide gap between Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson right now. Right now. He could at least make some moves to sort of close that. He could still


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[Assistant] I'm just scratching my head saying, where do you even go? Like, who's your horse? They don't have one right now. They do not have their horse. And I don't know how a team can make a playoff run if you don't know who you're run- you gotta have a running bat.


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[Assistant] No, he needs to be much more. They brought him in here to be a star. We talked the first time, I always get this feeling when I watch the Ravens, when they show John Harbaugh on the sidelines, I'm like, there's an adult.


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[Assistant] He's out coaching every team he plays against. I'm sure he doesn't, but that part of this equation scares me too.


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[Assistant] Just because Harbaugh always figures out what the weakness is and how to attack it. You mentioned they're going to double Amari on every single play. You know why? When you look at that graphic that we keep showing about wide receivers and their yards on the season, 270.


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[Assistant] 270 yards is the second leading receiver on this offense through 8 games. Guys, that's


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[Assistant] It's okay for you to bring it up. I know that a lot of people do get angry when you bring up


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[Assistant] The reason it's part of this, let's just say it was 130 guaranteed. You've got options.


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[Assistant] The 230 cements him in that position for five years. He can't do anything. So I think it's, and look,


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[Assistant] G's question yesterday, and I think his assertion was, you know, why are you picking on Deshaun?


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[Assistant] That's what it felt like when he was here. I know you guys weren't here. If I'm wrong in mischaracterizing that guy's step in. But didn't it feel like his assertion yesterday was everybody's being so mean to Deshaun.


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[Assistant] You know, he said the chat room comments, Twitter, he watched the post game show on one of the local stations here, and he said everybody was being mean.


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[Assistant] You said alpha dog. Well, he's got to be supremely confident. One of the things I can say he is not definitively is extremely confident.


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[Assistant] But you know what? He has a chance. You go out and you beat Lamar Jackson and play right forward of 10. Yeah. And you put up three touchdowns and 300 yards and you run for one all of a sudden because that's right. It's your mantra. It's a week to week. That's right. You want to change


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[Assistant] I got an email yesterday on my channel 3 which made me laugh. They watched the show and they were commenting on the show and they watched it later in the day. And the commenter said, you know, you said he was brought here to win games like this.


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[Assistant] If he doesn't win, it doesn't mean that he can never be that guy. I never said that. Right. What my point was...


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[Assistant] These are games that this is why he's here. So you gotta play well in these games. So, and it also was excuse making before the game. That's right. He was saying, well if he doesn't play well, it doesn't mean that he can't be a great quarterback again. And that's true.


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[Assistant] And like, and I don't, I also don't think if he goes out there and balls out that now we can proclaim he's back.


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[Assistant] Where is, where is the shoulder though? It's as good as it can be. He made throws that made me say, that's a healthy arm. Then he made other throws that made me say, what is he doing? That's what Bernie told us though.


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[Assistant] Bernie talked about that sudden twitch in the muscle when you go to release the football. Like if that's the case, you're holding your breath the whole season.


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[Assistant] Difficult throws to make. Some of them, you know, outside the numbers, long throws. So you know it's there.


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[Assistant] Leroy, we started the show by asking the question about the gap between Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson right now. Because once upon a time, they were in the same conversation. They were very similar players.


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[Assistant] Uh, we all agreed that there's a cavern right now between Lamar and Deshawn. We asked our viewers, and... You can't...


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[Assistant] I'm not surprised because this is what we, this is where it's a Cleveland sports show, but come on. Wait, you can't ask a fan? You can't ask a fan? Exactly, but we do these kind of things because we like to talk about it, but Lamar, Lamar won our poll, it was basically Lamar or Deshaun who he got.


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[Assistant] And Lamar got 54% of the vote and Deshawn got 46% of the vote.


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[Assistant] I know Leroy is a proud Michigan guy, and we don't, we still don't have all the facts. Now, the way the wind is blowing, it feels like a storm is headed towards Ann Arbor. But what are your thoughts, just as an alum and as a proud former player,


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[Assistant] No, no Leroy, that's not. It's an advantage to know whether you're passing or running. You know that. Not, no!


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[Assistant] Just like in baseball. Hell yeah, it's an advantage if I know you're throwing a fastball or a curveball. And in football, most of them said the same thing. Yes, you still have to stop it. And yes, you will have inherent advantages when you have superior players like the ones you mentioned, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice. But when all things are equal,


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[Assistant] If I know you're running, or I know you're passing, you have to admit, you have an advantage when it comes to stopping that. That's half the battle. We know what you're gonna do.


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[Assistant] Unless you were involved in it. Yeah. Correct. Correct. But Leroy, I will say this. In the old days, the player didn't have an option. Because if you want, you know, you're put on probation. Well, hell, if I transfer, I have to sit a year. That's not the case anymore. You want to leave Michigan? You want to go to Ohio State and play there next fall? You can do that.


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[Assistant] I agree with you. I feel the same way, but today's players, you know, my son's a track coach at Rutgers and he said, dad, the recruiting cycle never stops. In the old days, you got a kid, you could relax and now I want to make my team better.


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[Assistant] You're recruiting that kid every year through the year. Do something that one of them doesn't like one time. Now you have to re-recruit the kid.


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[Assistant] Well, there's 6-0, or 0-6 against teams with winning records. And? 0-3. And? 0-3, there's 6-0 against teams with losing.


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[Assistant] That's it! Leroy, to your point about Baltimore and Pittsburgh, what's fascinating to me about both of those franchises is the fact that they've had roster turnover just like every other team in the NFL, but it's also culture and the culture, like in Pittsburgh, that culture has been there since the 70s.


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[Assistant] And there have been a few hiccups over the last 50 years, but for the most part, they defy the NFL's talent cycle. And so does Baltimore.


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[Assistant] You're right, it does. It does. They picked, the key is they picked the right guy. Not the quarterback though. No, no, no, he's talking about the head coach. He's talking about the head coach. Like, you get the right guy in the building.


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[Assistant] And granted, they haven't had playoff success in the last decade or whatever. I mean, that's gotta mean something, no? I know, but see, there's a downside to staying on the top side of the talent cycle. You're supposed to flush.


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[Assistant] And because you don't, and this happened in New England, because you're always mediocre or making the playoffs, you're not getting those early picks in the draft. And that's, you're supposed to. It's supposed to be an evolution.


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[Assistant] I don't blame them either. But you know what? When I look at them, I laugh. I go, ha, yeaah. You've been there. Right, but the more you win, the higher your expectations go as a fan. Sure, exactly. But you know what? If I have to compare their life to mine as a fan, give me theirs. Yeaah, sure. Give me theirs.


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[Assistant] Let's do, let's do a lightning round Leroy because, uh, uh, we only got a minute here. Uh, you never really answered. We, we can sort of got sidetracked with the Michigan stuff. Does Sean Watson or Lamar Jackson? Give me 30 seconds on that.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Okay, now this one, uh, we'll go back to the Michigan thing because we're running out of time. Give me three adjectives for how you feel as an alum about what's going on in Michigan right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's true. You're right. Yeah, no, there's no question which one is more favorable. Okay.


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[Assistant] Okay. And that might be an interesting fit, too. Alright, Leroy, great stuff, man. Enjoy the game. We'll talk to you next week. Alrighty.


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[Assistant] Peace out. Yeah, Sandy, or the chargers, that would be a pretty good fit.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Interesting. He went to a Super Bowl with Colin Kaepernick. Damn near won it. Yeaah. You give him a guy like Justin Herbert. I think this is just a fait accompli. He's in the hold. He almost left the last couple of years. He did. He almost left.


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[Assistant] And I said I hate the topic and then I brought it up. Michigan.


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[Assistant] Offered a contract extension that would have made him the highest paid coach. And according to reports, they pulled that off.


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[Assistant] Well, we talked about it briefly and it was really briefly dismissed because I hadn't heard this report. Maybe you did.


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[Assistant] I think G. Bush or someone brought up the fact that cause I had said look it seems like an easy fix would be Dewan goes to left tackle and you at least shore that position up and somebody said that well Mary Kay had reported in the preseason that they had worked him at left tackle and it was quote a disaster.


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[Assistant] That's what I said yesterday. I said when you do that, you could be weakening two positions. It's really, they're in a tough spot. There's no other way to.


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[Assistant] By the way, we haven't mentioned it. I'm sure a lot of fans have already seen it. Carson Wentz went to the Rams? Yea, to the Rams.


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[Assistant] I think he's, you know, top 12 maybe. One of the things that I point to when I would make this case is...


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[Assistant] Jamar Chase is b- barely has more receiving yards than he does. And there'd be no question is Jamar Chase at top 10. Right. Now, Jamar Chase is playing with much better wide receivers around him.


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[Assistant] than Amari Cooper is. So that can both hurt him and help him. Right. But I just, I don't see him as a top.


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[Assistant] I think it's interesting that you said that. He's not a home run threat. He doesn't have top end speed. Right. But what he does...


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[Assistant] Guys that cover him talk about his precision route running and what a great route runner and tactician he is. So I think he might be a top 10 route runner, but if in the total scheme of things, what he does extremely well


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[Assistant] Is if you need ten, I feel really comfortable on third and long. He's gonna get you ten. That he's gonna get it. Yeaah. Even fifteen. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] You're right. If you're looking for, we need a home run here. He's definitely not that guy.


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[Assistant] Just by high pass. I don't think there's a quarterback in the league playing better than Joe Burrow. No. No. Not since he's gotten healthy.


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[Assistant] I watched him Sunday night and all I could think of is, this guy, you can't stop this guy.


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[Assistant] He's getting better. He was already a great quarterback. But to me, I've seen progression and it's, it's incredible. You talk about an Achilles or you know, an ankle injury and


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[Assistant] It was, I, I was thinking, hoping maybe, hey, maybe the rest of the leagues figured him out.


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[Assistant] You don't have to be Lamar Jackson. You just have to be slippery enough and slick enough. Tom Brady was very good at this, stepping up in the pocket, a slide step here, moving here, moving there, knowing when to do it. He's playing, in my eyes, as well as he's played and better than anybody else in the league.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be a fun watch. But I just, right now I think the division goes through Cincinnati. He is playing as well as I've seen him play in his pro career. And it's stunning to me the difference.