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[Assistant] Well, not that, because Lebron won 66 one year. Oh, well, 57. But the most games the Cavs have ever won without Lebron is 57. They've done that twice. In fact, even Lebron's 11 years, he's only won more than 57 twice. He had the 66 and then I think 60. He stopped caring about the


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[Assistant] But, the Cavs could win 57 this year. They're on pace for 55-ish. 55-56. And they won what? 15 of 16? I don't believe so.


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[Assistant] But when they started this winning streak, it was most, or this winning stretch, it was mostly against crappy teams and they were killing them.


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[Assistant] But they didn't kill the Pistons, they didn't kill the Wizards last night, who were both obviously really bad teams. They're playing the Nets tonight, right? They're playing the Nets, they're not playing, the Sixers are the only team in their next, I think, seven or eight games that is more than three games over 500. And obviously they don't have that beat, so they're not really a team over more than three games over 500.


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[Assistant] Okay, so 11. Well, if you could have a 12th or 13th guy that if you had to use them would be valuable, why not?


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[Assistant] By the way, how much we, last thing on the cast before we move on to the stadium, because this is potentially big news, how much are we buying into, uh, the time as you go first, the fact that Evan Mobley is coming back from injury, five of six from three, we're buying into that, big deal, small deal, no deal.


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[Assistant] Last night, actually, Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell were the only ones that shot well. They actually shot pretty poorly besides those two guys. But anyway, go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get into the stadium stuff, cause... Yes. There's this...


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[Assistant] But they often put stuff out about stadium things involving the Browns. They've been right sometimes, they've been wrong sometimes. But the reason we're bringing it up is because other people have information on this as well. Browns owners buying 176 acres in Brook Park. Airport adjacent site is under contract.


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[Assistant] Jason, are, are, are you buying that they have bought, that this is true and


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[Assistant] That this is specifically where they're going to put the new stadium.


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[Assistant] And there's a whole project starting to build a new airport essentially where the airport is. What I don't understand is they've just recently redone the airport.


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[Assistant] Billionaires that own these teams should pay for their whole stadium's lock, lock, stock, and balance. They should.


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[Assistant] In a perfect world they would. In reality most of them don't. I believe the Rams guy. Yes. Paid for his old name. Stan Cranky. I think he's the only one that has recently. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I'm not sure. Usually there is steady statements.


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[Assistant] Now, first of all, Jason, uhm, so I don't know if you know this answer. I don't know who knows this answer. I don't know if you can even prove this. So, to me, it seems like


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[Assistant] And then I was thinking about it, I was like, well, even though obviously the Browns are way more popular than the Guardians or the Cavs, it feels like those teams leaving would be worse because there's a lot more home dates. Yes. Now obviously the Browns leaving from a, from a business standpoint, yeah, on those,


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[Assistant] Eight or nine or ten, if you include the preseason, maybe eleven or twelve potentially. Those days, that's bad for businesses downtown, that's not good. There's, no, I wonder though over, oh, in the grand scheme of things, because now the city of Cleveland would not have to give any money for a new stadium if it's in Brook Park.


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[Assistant] Where the city's gonna be on the hook for, I would assume, at least some of the money. The county still will. The county still will, true, but not the city. So, I don't know, does it, is there any way this is not terrible for Cleveland?


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[Assistant] Not for a game, I actually went there for somebody's wedding, and we were staying, just happened to be staying in the hotel where the stadium was, and I was like, this is weird, the stadium's in a shopping mall.


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[Assistant] In some way it does feel kind of sad if the team did move out of Cleveland.


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[Assistant] There's not a lot over here. Like, they would need to build some restaurants and, and, and, and some hotels there. You know, you got that hotel at the airport, but there's not,


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[Assistant] I think they closed that. Oh, is that closed? I believe that's closed.


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[Assistant] Yes, I don't want taxpayers to have to pay for it. It is what it is. I do think most fans would like the new stadium.


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[Assistant] There's gonna, there is going to be a new Brown Stadium at some point here. I believe so.


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[Assistant] Two, two questions I have for you. One, will there be a roof? Two, if you had to guess what year


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[Assistant] It's a negative for the, to lose it. So I'm going to say keep it downtown.


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[Assistant] By the way, I go to text Earl yesterday.


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[Assistant] I go on my phone and I'm looking at, you know, because my phone's in alphabetical order of first name, and I'm looking at, I'm like, why is, I know I have Earl saved in my phone, why am I not seeing him under Earl? And then I realized


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[Assistant] Really? Yeaah. I think he's using my phone that way. I didn't realize that.


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[Assistant] He was the Seahawks offensive line coach. Okay.


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[Assistant] So, I don't, they were, I don't really, I don't think they were, you know, whatever. Listen, I-


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[Assistant] I hope he does a good job. Uhm, he has only been ahead


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[Assistant] Position coach for two years. He played O-line where? Tufts. Tufts College. D3. Boston. D3. He's a D3 guy.


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[Assistant] First of all, he's the first coach they've hired now that doesn't have NFL experience in terms of playing.


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[Assistant] Of all the coaches they've hired here. But if you look at, they got, they also hired, uhm, I don't know his name, but the Eagles.


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[Assistant] He is the Eagles' assistant offensive line coach. He's gonna be this guy's assistant offensive line coach. So if you look at the position, the offensive coordinator,


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[Assistant] The position coaches and even the assistant pitches, uh, assistant.


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[Assistant] But even the assistants, like, cause the, you know, the guy who was Bill Callahan's assistant went to New England.


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[Assistant] What do you mean, like, they word this at the end of the year? Oh, the year with Derrick Anderson.


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[Assistant] Of the 2020 season with Baker, the offense was really good that second half of the year.


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[Assistant] And, and, and your wide receiver coach are the only three returning position coaches on this team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so anyway, again, I mean, we, we don't know enough about Dickerson, who knows, but he seems like a person, a perfectly reasonable eye.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, if Jed Wills, I mean, his one thing is, if he can get Jed Wills to play better, then he'll get a win for that, cause Jed Wills is nothing. Well, Jed Wills is playing decent ball before he went out. He's playing better. Yes. But like, if he, if he comes- Wait, what'd you call it? Average. He's playing average by the end of the day.


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[Assistant] I know I didn't love the, the, uh, the Joker contract at the time. And obviously now it looks good, but I didn't hate it like this one. I mean,


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So what about if they cut him after the 24 season?


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[Assistant] I'm not moving, I'm not moving Jones to let's tackle. I'm with you. I'm not doing that. I think I would leave well enough alone with areas. What are you, what's your best guess? To what? Let's say they're all healthy and nobody gets traded. Who's gonna play? Who's not playing them? Great.


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[Assistant] Is it crazy to think, I know this is very uncommon on offensive line, is it crazy to think to keep them both healthy that you rotate them a little bit?


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[Assistant] It's so weird though, cause like defensive linemen change all the time.


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[Assistant] Especially because they pass so much and pass blocking is really more passive especially.


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[Assistant] Even on McCaffrey's, the question is, do you go at McCaffrey, which is a near lock? But it's, it's, it's minus 230. Why?


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[Assistant] I, I do kinda like Brandon Iyuk. I'm high on Brandon Iyuk. I like him too. I like Iyuk at plus 155. No, no, no.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, but that's so, the odds are so short that I think it's a waste to go with that. You guys want to go with Kelsey? What do you think? You're voting for McCaffrey.


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[Assistant] What's that? He said one. You don't base it just on one season.


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[Assistant] That's the point. It's based on the past and the projection of what you think the guys are going forward.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, some of those guys in the early, like, I do like Naylor right now. I'd take him over Cal Raleigh. I would too.


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[Assistant] And think about this, you have in the, on major league rosters during the season, you have what, 700, 800 players, roughly?


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[Assistant] Alright, what's 30 times 20, 30 times 26? Mike, give me a little math here. 600, 780. Okay, 780.


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[Assistant] Anthony Santander's better.


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[Assistant] I mean, all those guys 80 to 90 are better than Josh Haley. Yeah, probably. I will say Gutierrez didn't have a great season last year, but he's been a much better player overall.


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[Assistant] So he was not screwed, because those guys are all, those guys have been, most of those guys from 70 to 90 have been consistently at the level, if not higher, than Naylor, not one year.


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[Assistant] I know, but he had, he didn't do enough last year.


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[Assistant] Nah, I don't think so. Top 60 player? Probably not.


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[Assistant] I think Closet and Jose are the only ones that are gonna be on there. I could be wrong, but there's no way they're putting Bybee or Gavin Williams ahead of Justin Verland, or even at his age, and this ya- you're talking about Yamamoto, right?


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[Assistant] Or maybe in the 80s. I would say 70s. He's not as good as any of those pitchers, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he's not, but he's, he's not going to be ahead of those pitchers. I just don't see it. All right, we're switching gears.


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[Assistant] Second time here. Are you ready for the off-season? I mean, what do you do to prepare for the off-season? What do I do? Are you doing push-ups? Are you doing finger exercises? I don't know, what do you watch?


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[Assistant] The holidays, everybody goes to hell.


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[Assistant] So what's better, uh, in the division? Bengals or, or Steelers? I was not a better.


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[Assistant] Maybe with a new stadium they'll have improved press box food, who knows. What's your take on everything that's been rumored about with this potential new stadium?


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[Assistant] And I get there's a lot of, you know, a lot of poor people in the city of Cleveland.


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[Assistant] And it looks kinda unseemly to spend money when a billionaire could afford to pay for the whole thing himself. But unfortunately, that's just the way it is. And in most of these cases, it's at least 50-50, and we'll see.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about something else, Jake, because we were talking earlier about, you know, all the coaching changes, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Are you surprised by any of this? Did you see this coming? Because it...


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[Assistant] Didn't seem like the type of season that they needed to make all these wholesale changes on the offense.


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[Assistant] Do you believe they'll be aggr- because there's a lot of, you know, number one or at least borderline number one free, uh, free agent wide receivers here. Now probably Pittman will get franchised and I think T Higgins will get franchised. We'll see. They should if they can't sign them. But guys like Calvin Ridley, Marquise Brown, Mike Evans- Mike Evans.


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[Assistant] Well, where would they be at that position without him? Sunk. I mean, they were probably thinking by now they could move off him.


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[Assistant] You know, it's interesting too because, you know, we mentioned the tackles, but...


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[Assistant] Uh, Wyatt Teller was like a fifth round pick and he got traded to the Browns for nothing.


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[Assistant] Our last thing, we're getting back to the coach and we'll wrap with this.


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[Assistant] You know, there's been rumors that this is being forced on him. Do you believe it's being forced on him? And do you think Ken Dorsey will call plays?


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[Assistant] There was a guy, if you saw the, it's based on a true story, if you saw the Jackie Rob, the most recent Jackie Robinson movie, 42,


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[Assistant] There was a guy who the team basically hired.


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[Assistant] to, he was a media member to cover Jackie Robinson and they became friends and I can't think of his name but anyway he'd probably be an interesting guy to highlight too.


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[Assistant] But, uh, anyway, that's cool that he, I mean, not cool that he didn't get paid, but it's cool to give him some recognition. It's a great tribute. That most people didn't know.


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[Assistant] I assume they would do something minor on the back end have, you know, because


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[Assistant] You want as many good depth pieces as possible in case there's some injuries in the playoffs. So I assume they do something to improve their 11th, 12th player, whatever it is, to have a, you know, a good veteran in those last spots. But Jason made the point before the show that he thinks they're more likely to do that in the buyout market.


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[Assistant] So because, after he talked to me about that, I'll change my mind.


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[Assistant] I feel like he's been on a million teams the last few years.


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[Assistant] He's right. But the Bucks are a better matchup in the playoffs for the Cavs than the Celtics, right? Yes. So. That sounds crazy to say, but I would agree.


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[Assistant] Right now it feels like it's between the sep- the, the cab. We'll see, I mean the Bucks too, but I think we're all assuming that in the end the Bucks will finish as the two seed. Maybe I'm wrong.


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[Assistant] But it would be huge for the Cavs to be the 2 or even the 3 versus being the 4.


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[Assistant] The two, does it, does the lowest seeded team play the one no matter what seed it is?


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[Assistant] So, in theory, if the Cavs ended the two seed...


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[Assistant] By the way, Tim, Tom, uh, Thibodeau deserves credit. Because they're winning with a bunch of injuries too.


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[Assistant] Mike, uh, answering that question just like a point guard would. He's thinking like a point guard. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] Here's what I thought. He's playing less, he's gonna get less shots, he's gonna be in rhythm less, and he's not gonna make as many. You look at his field three point percentage the last two years when he didn't shoot much, he was terrible.


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[Assistant] How many people have hit 40% from 3 in the last 10 years?


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[Assistant] By the way, isn't that a sign that it's time to move the three point line back? No.


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[Assistant] He's gonna have to shoot probably because he's gonna shoot less. He's gonna have to shoot like 33% the rest of the year to be under 40.


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[Assistant] So far, he's getting some CWP right now, Mike. Let's be honest.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, I mean he was in the closing lineup yesterday. He better be in the closing lineup. Of course he will be.


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[Assistant] People that say, Jay probably would have said no because Jay and Earl are the two most prisoner of the moment guys on this show. And Jay is kind of also, he's prisoner of the moment also. But the three of us are the least prisoner of the moment people. And so we all said yes because we know that he's one of their best players. Of course he's going to be in the lineup down the stretch.


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[Assistant] Even though scoring is obviously way up and there's a lot of great players scoring more points than ever, 35 for most players is still not easy. It's not common.


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[Assistant] Would be Darius Garland, and I just, how many times has Darius Garland scored 35 in his career?


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[Assistant] They're moving the ball around and being unselfish. Donovan, who's clearly the best player, is the biggest volume shooter on the team. Everybody else, and even Donovan, is moving the ball. They're more balanced than ever.


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[Assistant] Donovan is. What's that? Averaging a career high in assists. Exactly. So, I just look at them as a more balanced team and there's less chucking going on than there was in the past. And so I don't think anybody else is likely to do it. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Okay, I don't know. Didn't, uh, um, Donka hit- Donka?


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[Assistant] Would Cavs fans cheer for Kelly Olenek if he were on the team? No. Well, I think they would just.


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[Assistant] Disgusting. Oh, you know his kids and his grandkids are, they gotta be douchebag probably. Swimming in it. Come on.


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[Assistant] Well, it's not the same people, the people paying taxes in the city of Cleveland are not necessarily the same people buying tickets.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Jimmy, do it yourself, buddy. We got people living on the street. There's people homeless. There's people hungry. Don't take tax money. I know you will, but go ahead.


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[Assistant] It's like fan night, you know, when it's supposed to be celebrating the fans, except none of the good guys play, so the fans are getting screwed, and maybe you see some slappy hit as a million points. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. That's not a trade they're gonna make two hours before the deadline. So that ship has sailed.


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[Assistant] By the way, I'd rather talk about, I'd rather talk about different colors of paint than talk about college football recruiting. People go nuts on Twitter. We got this great recruit! Who gives a shit? I don't care! Why do people get so worked up about this? The guy's just gonna leave after one year anyway, now who cares?


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[Assistant] And now all these high school stars, they act like a bunch of dopes when they put their hats. This one guy the other day had like four different hats, he pretended, oh maybe I'm going here, and maybe I'm going here, and maybe you should shut the hell up.


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[Assistant] Well, if it wasn't before, the Kansas City Chiefs now qualify officially as a dynasty. Yes they do. Three and five.


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[Assistant] Is that your definition, guys? Three and five? That's mine.


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[Assistant] That's exactly right. Uhm, I thought, I think it is a dynasty. I don't know that two in a row makes a dynasty because there was one thing that was said last night during the telecast that really drives home how dynastic this is.


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[Assistant] Chris Jones is the only starting member of the defense from the one they won five years ago. Think about that.


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[Assistant] We're going to dive into everything Super Bowl 58. For me, the game was one on two third and fours when the Kansas City defense was on the field.


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[Assistant] All they got, all really San Francisco had to do is convert on one of those two third and fours. And they likely are Super Bowl champions right now. They couldn't.


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[Assistant] Everybody in the building knew Spags was going to send the house on both and they had no blitz beater to pick it up. I thought that for me, this, this Super Bowl will be about cementing the legacy of, of Spags. No question about it. Not that it needed it, but it put the exclamation point behind it. And it also continues the


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[Assistant] Missing Gene in Kyle Shanahan. This dude has blown three 10-point Super Bowl leads. Think about that.


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[Assistant] Now granted, they were all to either Mahomes or Tom Brady. But that's almost impossible to do. He's the only guy to do it twice. Now he's done it three times. So a lot to get into with Super Bowl 58. A lot of big plays. What did you think of the halftime show? I'm sure we're going to discuss that. And the intersection of sports and culture in America. I think it's...


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[Assistant] And no single day is it on display more than the Super Bowl. It was, it really was the intersection of culture and sports. Mikey McNuggets, you, according to our chain last night, were a big winner on the betting front.


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[Assistant] I don't bet, I do buy squares. I bought them for a couple different Super Bowl parties. You talk about the ultimate bad luck. I drew nine and nine.


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[Assistant] No way. On one of my squares. No way. And I laughed. I said...


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[Assistant] That's, that, there's a 0% chance of that hitting. 9 and 9. When in the hell can 9 and 9 hit? It's like getting 5 and 5, right?


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[Assistant] It may be the worst square Super Bowl luck I've ever had.


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[Assistant] The one square I had, cause I think I had six in total. The one square I had.


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[Assistant] That I thought had zero percent chance of winning, hits at the end of the fourth quarter and doesn't pay.


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[Assistant] Can I ask a question on the- I was under the impression that


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[Assistant] So, for those of you who don't know, the National Anthem is pre-recorded. So that's a definitively, that, that, you can figure out that bet. You can figure it out.


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[Assistant] When, I think it was Russell Wilson, I can't remember.


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[Assistant] He didn't know that the game was over on the first score. Which, that was bizarre because those rules had been in existence for a million years.


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[Assistant] I do think that we talked about this, Mike, at the, at the owner's meetings after they changed the rule. I feel like we talked about the, uhm, rules committee had approved a change to the overtime rules, but nobody remembers it. That was months and months ago.


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[Assistant] But when they put the rules up and they were explaining it, I didn't, I was like, wow, this is the first game that we've ever used this in.


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[Assistant] And I think it was further confirmed this morning when we really started hearing the stories about...


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[Assistant] They just were not informed. I thought this watching the game, after the...


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[Assistant] First, there were two points when I said the Niners are going to definitively lose this game. The first one when they went three and out after the Mahomes interception. A Mahomes mistake in a playoff game comes less frequently than leap year. He gave you a gift.


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[Assistant] And great teams make sure they capitalize on gifts. What did the Chiefs do after the Muff Pun? One play dagger.


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[Assistant] That was the game. That, that play, that, those two play sequences, game.


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[Assistant] Kansas City knew, after the, after the Muff Punt,


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[Assistant] Oh, we got, we got a gift. We gave them a gift and our defense forced them to three and out. We gotta put our foot on their throats.


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[Assistant] So, all throughout the game, to me, it was a, it was a display of a master class by Andy Reid on how to coach in a mammoth game. By Kyle Shanahan?


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[Assistant] It was, he is a poser. That's what Kyle Shanahan is. In terms of a great coach.


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[Assistant] He is great with schemes. He is great with offensive X's and O's. He is great with a lot of the game.


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[Assistant] Like, in a micro, this play, it's brilliant. This play, it's brilliant. But your play sheet can be better than the other guy's play sheet.


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[Assistant] But if the other guy uses his play sheet better, he trumps your great play sheet. I think Kyle Shanahan's plays are just better. That's saying something because I think Andy Reid is second only to Kyle Shanahan in terms of developing great offense. This dude can't coach at the big moment. And not having his team...


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[Assistant] When you make the Super Bowl, you sit your whole team down for a seminar and you talk about, this is what we're going to expect. For those of you that have been here, I want you to speak. For those of you that haven't, I want you to listen. Oh, by the way, there's a major rule change.


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[Assistant] That could come into play that we need to know about and we need to be prepared for what to do in that situation.


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[Assistant] What would you do if you were Kyle Sheahan? Always, I wanted second. You know what, whether or not you have to go for it, I'd pour it down. It's just like college over time. You know, it's fourth and one. Do you kick the field goal? You don't know what your opponent's gonna do. You would, information is power.


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[Assistant] So they had a fourth and one that they obviously had to go for. Uh, there were key moments all up and down this game, and in the key moments, Kansas City won them. The two third and fours that I talked about. The third and four in regulation,


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[Assistant] Where you know it's gonna be a blitz. Nance and Roma were talking about it. This is in Spags' DNA. He's gonna send the house. He always sends the house.


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[Assistant] The second, the two minute warning had already happened. So you now can assure that you can kick a field goal.


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[Assistant] And if you get another first down, you kick a field goal on the last play of the game. Right.


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[Assistant] That's a great point. You have to take into account who you're playing.


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[Assistant] And the fact that I, you know, I, I don't know that they took the ball second in a complete vacuum of not knowing the rules because the referee before the coin toss clearly explained what the rules were.


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[Assistant] Right, but you know, honestly, I think in either scenario you want the ball second.


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[Assistant] I mean, I understand that if Patrick Mahomes scores a touchdown, the game is over under the old rules. I get that. So to your point in the AFC Championship,


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[Assistant] You know, or I mean in a regular season game rather. In the SE Championship, I don't want Patrick Mahomes to touch the ball because if I score a touchdown, the game is over in the regular season. But in the playoffs, when I know he's gonna see it, I have to see it second. I just have to.


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[Assistant] But here's the difference. It came up with the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] On the, on the third and four, before the fuel goal, that San Francisco didn't convert.


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[Assistant] The guy disappeared for so long, particularly in the third quarter, then they got back to him when the game was too late. You had this dude the whole game. He had 22 carries. I'm running that guy 30 times. He's the NFL's leading rusher.


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[Assistant] And the Chiefs missed, or the Niners missed, and then they kicked the field goal. If it was already a seven point game, now you've got two plays to get four yards.


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[Assistant] And you know that. So you call different plays, you, you run a different game. I just, I know that there's really no advantage statistically, at least analytically in these mock, you know, conversions that they try.


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[Assistant] And I would say this, I would say what that doesn't figure is your opponent. The Mahomes Factor. Patrick Mahomes is going to score a touchdown. You want to be able to score a touchdown and if you need four downs to get ten, that's better than three downs to get ten. Because if you get the ball first, you're operating under the three downs to get ten.


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[Assistant] Here's the problem, if you get the ball second, you never have to make that decision.


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[Assistant] I know, I know, you're saying, to me, they goofed up the coin toss and getting the ball first is just giving Kansas City all the information they need. Do we need three or do we need seven? I want to know that before my drive starts. And by the way, they were faced with a fourth and one and they converted on a play that


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[Assistant] And when you go back and you look at this, and I love BOSA. You guys know what I think of BOSA. On that fourth and one.


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[Assistant] He bought the run. He did. He bought it so hard. If he sniffed out, well, and I love Tony Romo's comment was, never buy the run in that situation with Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] If he doesn't buy the run, and he plays Mahomes, and it goes to the theory, I'm never gonna let anybody's best player beat me. I'm not gonna let a pitcher beat me with his best pitch.


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[Assistant] I'm playing Mahomes. If I'm boasting in the huddle, I'm saying I'm not even looking at a running back. Mahomes is running this ball. If he plays it that way, the Niners


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[Assistant] I'm not ready to call him the goat yet. He's still gotta do more. I am. He's not. That's a prisoner of the moment take.


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[Assistant] You can hate Tom Brady all you want, but the fact of the matter is, that's a prisoner of the moment take.


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[Assistant] He's on his way, and he is further along in his career than Brady was. Not by much, by the way. But when you look at that...


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[Assistant] That's crazy. Let me tell you what that means for us here in our cozy little city.


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[Assistant] Look at how young the defense is. Look at how wise they draft. They've got a coach who pretty much is on cruise control. He's just, he's like a sales rep.


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[Assistant] He's calm in the moment. He understands his resources and uses them wisely in appropriate situations. He's got a quarterback who is next level gifted.


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[Assistant] He is to me right now just below Tom Brady as the GOAT. I mean, you still gotta win five more to eclipse him. Okay?


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[Assistant] Good luck, because you said it earlier, Dan Marino I think went to Super Bowl in his second year, not his rookie season.


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[Assistant] Never got back. And at the time, I remember I was, I think I was a senior in high school or a freshman in college. I just remember thinking, oh my God.


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[Assistant] The Browns, we're gonna have to see this for the next 15 years.


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[Assistant] And they didn't, but not because of Dan Marino, it was because of John Elway.


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[Assistant] I look at where he is and where he's positioned and right now he is fast tracking to be the GOAT.


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[Assistant] Impressive. Now some of those for the Patriots, they didn't need fourth quarter drives. They just, they were, they were boat racing teams and they were up by 10, 12, 14 in the fourth quarter. But a lot of their Super Bowls were, all their Super Bowls were very, very close. With the exception of the one he won in Tampa.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so this was really weird for me.


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[Assistant] The game in total, for me, was a B+. I thought it was a little sloppy. The Muff Punt, I think, had a lot to do with the outcome of the game. Uh, there were, uh,


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[Assistant] The Chiefs fumbled in the red zone. The Niners on their first drive fumbled deep into Kansas City territory. The Mahomes pick was uncharacteristic.


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[Assistant] The fluky Achilles injury to me was like you just lost the heart and soul of your defense.


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[Assistant] And they still forced overtime and could have won this game. There were just a lot of things that I don't want to see in a, in an A plus perfect stellar game. I think of the Kansas City Buffalo game from a couple years ago as the greatest NFL game I'll ever watch. It had tons of points, defense was optional, but the fact that Mahomes scored


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[Assistant] Uh, the go-ahead points with like, you know, they got the ball with like 22 seconds to go. Everybody in Buffalo was celebrating. They're going to the Super Bowl. This was it.


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[Assistant] And I've never seen anything like it, but this game to me was good only because of the last two drives in regulation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I sent to the text chat that I think I said, Kyle Shanahan is fatally flawed.


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[Assistant] His, to me, his legacy took a huge hit. A huge hit. Because I thought that he had learned from his previous Super Bowl debacles. And when you're up 28-3, and I know it wasn't the head coach, he was the offensive coordinator. When you're up 28-3,


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[Assistant] And your offense completely, completely disappeared the rest of the game. That's what looked, it looked like that yesterday to me. When they were up 10-0, I thought, if they just keep doing what they're doing, they're gonna win.


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[Assistant] Here's a problem for Kittle that this is going to be a stain on his legacy forever. My man's in the locker room getting looked at for an injury.


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[Assistant] Who was doing the Chiefs, or I mean the Niners, and said, Kittle is in the locker room with his shoulders.


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[Assistant] I thought so too. It was either the last drive of regulation or their overtime drive. I think it was regulation. I could be wrong.


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[Assistant] I think every first down was McCaffrey.


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[Assistant] After he, after he disappeared and they moved the ball right down the field and in most instances they were second and two. They were second and three.


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[Assistant] He was getting big chunks of yardage on first down. I'm like, yeah, that's what it looked like to start the game too. Why did you have this huge gap in the middle of the game where you forgot that you had number 23? It just, it was so mystifying to me. I didn't get it. And for me, like I said, spags.


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[Assistant] All time legend, one of the all time great defensive coordinators and Kyle Shanahan, although a brilliant offensive mind, I think got lost in his play sheet. I think he got nervous. He looked nervous to me the whole game and


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[Assistant] The choices were there already there. Small gap, huge gap.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's a big, it's a big gap between him and everybody. Right, okay. So the browns are, there's a big gap between the browns and the cheese. Yes.


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[Assistant] I like, so I'm kind of torn. I'm almost in the middle and here's why. I'll give you jail.


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[Assistant] Browns trade Mahomes or Browns trade Watson to Kansas City for Mahomes. Like there's 0% chance that would ever happen. But let's for this little discussion, pretend that Mahomes is in Cleveland. Same roster, we have Mahomes. What's the gap now?


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[Assistant] We're there. I still think the Browns lose. Ninjoku!


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[Assistant] And Kelsey. Kelsey clearly gets the nod, but the gap is way shrunk.


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[Assistant] Offensive line. When we're healthy, I'll take ours. Thank you. Top receiver. Now Kelsey is their top receiver.


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[Assistant] So you've got the gap at tight end is really, really small.


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[Assistant] Cooper gets the edge for their number one receiver. Defense.


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[Assistant] I mean, they got Chris Jones. We got Miles Garrett. I'll take Miles Garrett. I think you're right. I think if you switch quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] He's the last two, two out of the last four years he's been coach of the year. We don't know what kind of coach he is. Look, I'm not going to be naive and say there's not a gap. Andy Reid is the Belichick of this era.


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[Assistant] Yes. He's a guru. He's taken two teams to Super Bowls, two different teams. That's pretty rare for a coach to do that with two different teams.


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[Assistant] So he's clearly teaching the masterclass, but I think Stefanski is one of the star pupils.


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[Assistant] 15 years from now. Remember, Andy Reid in Philadelphia was looked at as like this. For those of you that don't remember.


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[Assistant] Your point that resonates with me the most was the, and I had someone tell me this before


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[Assistant] Gosh, I can't remember what Super Bowl it was. It was one of the Super Bowls where the quarterbacks were wildly mismatched. You had one where... Brady Nick Foles? It might have been Trent Dilford. I can't remember what the matchup was.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And the funny thing is what, what decides Super Bowls?


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[Assistant] Quarterbacks. It's quarterbacks. I mean, it's always been quarterbacks. So if quarterbacks decide Super Bowls.


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[Assistant] Purdy's fine. Purdy is a very, very, very good quarterback. Purdy didn't throw an interception. The Homes did.


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[Assistant] It's like golf. I'll watch the golf tournament and I'll see these guys making great shots. And then I'll say, I can make that shot. It's not about your good shots. It's about your bad shots.


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[Assistant] Every weekend golfer has hold out from 125 yards.


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[Assistant] Only 10 are on the green. It's not about your great shots. It's about minimizing your bad shots. And to me, after watching Patrick Mahomes do it again, do what we expected him to do again when he was putting that opportunity. Deshaun Watson can do it. We saw it for a half against Baltimore, but since he's been here, we've had 21 other halves of football.


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[Assistant] So he's the weekend golfer that hit a hole in one against Baltimore.


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[Assistant] But in some of those other ones, he missed the green, he missed the fairway, he was in the trap. When he was on the green, he wasn't within makeable distance. Mahomes is spraying the pin every time.


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[Assistant] His bad shots are still workable. He threw an interception.


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[Assistant] He's tried. Like when you go Bell and Schwartz in back to back third rounds, there was another third round bust in there. Who was it?


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[Assistant] The two glaring weaknesses after two years ago was the D-line and the wide receiver spot.


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[Assistant] Took care of the D-line. He took care of the D-line. Now he went Operation Stockpile. He didn't say, let me sprinkle a little bit of magic fairy dust on the D-line and a little bit on the wide receiver because sometimes when you serve two masters, you serve none. So what he did is that I got a two year plan.


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[Assistant] Check on the defensive line. Got it. Everybody's looking at you now on WR.


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[Assistant] It's kinda crazy. So you've gotta do it through free agency, and that's limited.


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[Assistant] They didn't. They went sort of middling, but they went stockpile. Let me bring five dudes in here and see what we get. At wide receiver, I don't think that's going to work because you can only put three of them on the field at once unless you're, you know, running some crazy offense at the end of the game. So you need


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[Assistant] Man, that would be great. That would be a lot of fun. I would take Detroit and Chicago too. Or I mean Cleveland and Chicago.


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[Assistant] Would have been, would have been, I mean that would have been all the drama. And you know what, so, so I don't know what, what they call it, but a lot of those plays in those situations are called glass breakers. Like break glass in case of emergency.


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[Assistant] And every coach has two or three of them that they never use.


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[Assistant] They're just in their hip pocket for those critical moments. And Andy Reid is so good at glass breakers, he has...


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[Assistant] One for every regular season game, so it changes every game.


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[Assistant] That was not their championship year though, was it?


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[Assistant] Well, COVID was COVID-19, and then 2020 was the year of the shutdown.


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[Assistant] Now, look, so history tells us that that is an indicator of winning a championship. That's been done five times in NBA history and five times they've won the Larry O'Brien. That's great. Here's why they're not getting their credit.


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[Assistant] We saw this movie last year in the regular season. This one's a little bit better, but we saw it. And then, when all eyes were on them,


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[Assistant] I couldn't figure out what happened to that regular season Cavs team once the playoff started.


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[Assistant] He's gonna be steady, he's gonna be great. When the moment is its biggest, he'll be his best.


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[Assistant] Last year, when the moment was biggest for the calves, they were their worst.


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[Assistant] But they've, they've looked really, really good over the last two months of the season. I need to see it in April.


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[Assistant] I need to see it when the real lights shine. I need to see this same casting.


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[Assistant] If they continue to play like this, I think they're, they're, they have to be considered a


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[Assistant] Championship caliber team. Not predicting the championship, but when you're a two at the All-Star break, in most situations, you're a legitimate contender. So go win in the post-season.


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[Assistant] And if they, if they, and I need more than one playoff win. If you're the two, like, I need to see two playoff wins. If you end up being the one, I want to see you in the finals.


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[Assistant] Everybody knows that there's a progression to success in the NBA. And you're right, you do have to walk through coals to get to, you know, where you want to be. Last year was really tough.


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[Assistant] I love that quote and the reason I love that quote is because you don't have to be the bully to be successful.


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[Assistant] But you can't be successful if you don't strike back when the bully hits you.


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[Assistant] And I'm, so you don't have to be aggressive aggressive. You can be passive aggressive, but when the cobra strikes, you have to strike back or you're


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[Assistant] When Travis Kelsey wasn't on the field yesterday in a critical moment in the game, how did he respond?


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[Assistant] Passion. He was pissed. He damn near knocked his coach over, right? He was furious. I'll go to another one.


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[Assistant] When Drew Brees, who was a Super Bowl winning quarterback and will be a Hall of Fame quarterback, was taken out of the game.


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[Assistant] Because they had a backup quarterback that could do things that he can't. How did Drew Brees handle that?


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[Assistant] Class and dignity. Never once did he go to Sean Payton and say, what are you taking me out of the game for? I'm a Hall of Famer. I've won a ring. I put a ring on your finger.


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[Assistant] And he said, well, in this particular instance, he never responded that way. That conversation may have been had by the way behind closed doors. Likely did. And here's the way Sean Payton probably answered it. I believe there are certain situations in the game that call for certain solutions. He's not a better quarterback than you.


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[Assistant] He does one thing definitively better than you do. When that's needed.


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[Assistant] I owe it to the other 52 guys to make sure I got the best player in the game at that spot. At that time. Now, they never took that to a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] And I only bring that up because I think the key to the Cavs success in the playoffs is how Darius Garland responds to this. Is he Travis Kelsey or is he, and now look, Kelsey won the Super Bowl. He got eight catches for


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[Assistant] Because the coach clearly got him more involved, and Drew Brees never won a Super Bowl with Taysom Hill.


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[Assistant] And what happens ultimately, I think, is if, I love the way you phrased it, you're going to be the king of the second unit. When the second unit is out there, you're going to be going against the second unit in all likelihood. And if the other coach decides not to put his second unit on the floor when you're on the floor, we're going to wear his starters out.


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[Assistant] So you create a real headache for the opposing coach if you're bringing Garland off the bench and there's no rest for your starter. You want to go ahead and live in that universe where you put a second team guy on on Darius Garland.


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[Assistant] The Cavs have never played better in the regular season. Not even with LeBron James for all those years where they plus 303 in an 18 game stretch.


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[Assistant] He was out for how many of those 18 games? 12?


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[Assistant] So two thirds of that stretch, Garland wasn't on the floor.


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[Assistant] And what they figured out is, this is what makes them...


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[Assistant] The absolute best team they can be. I hope Darius Garland throws his arms around that.


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[Assistant] And I'm not saying definitively Six Man, I'm not. I'm saying there will be matchups that you look at and it's all dependent on the matchups. That's what the Cavs don't get, well, Cavs fans don't get. If you want to keep running into that same brick wall,


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[Assistant] Then don't be surprised if you get bounced in the first round. The Cavs were bounced in the playoffs last year not because they weren't the better team. They lost the matchup game with the Knicks. They had no answers.


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[Assistant] What I'm saying is there will be series where you just look at things and say, whoa.


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[Assistant] They got nobody to handle Darius Garland in their second wave. So once they go to their second wave, I'm giving my star a breather and my team probably just got better.


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[Assistant] And now all of a sudden the coach is going to look at his rotation and his second wave is going to end up being two minutes instead of four. What does that do to the starters in minute 46, 47 and 48 when 95% of all playoff games are decided?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not the end I'll be. And a lot of times, not more often than not, but a lot of times, I'll look at the plus minus when the game is over. And I'll look at the box and go, wow, he was minus seven.


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[Assistant] I-I-I wouldn't have guessed that this player was minus seven. Sometimes it happens the other way. How in the hell was he plus fourteen?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but again, it's to me, it's all fool's gold. It's, it's, it, it, you know, we learned it last year more than ever before. When a 52-win team flames out that spectacularly in the playoffs, anything is possible.


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[Assistant] You know the one thing that can make me most excited? Stay out of the Knicks crosshairs.


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[Assistant] I don't like, like, that's why the two is so important. Because the Knicks, I think, improve themselves more than anyone at the, at the trade deadline. And for me, you start looking that you're doing the reverse math. Well, if we're a four and the Knicks get the five,


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[Assistant] But if we're a three, it's less likely you're going to see the Knicks, because I think the Knicks are going to finish in the second half better than they did the first. But you could also see the Sixers and Joel Embita back. Well, the thing with them missing Joel for so much time scares me that if Philly drops far enough, like let's


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[Assistant] Here's what, let's just say the cast finished in the three. Cause I do think at the end of the day, it's for me, Boston, Milwaukee, Cleveland. Although Milwaukee and Cleveland are close. But if Cleveland finishes in the three,


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[Assistant] The likelihood is you won't see the Knicks, but you could see Philly if they fall far enough without MB. That's not a first round matchup that, that is, that suits you.


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[Assistant] How much of this 17 in one run do you attribute to the schedule? Because they have had Milwaukee twice, but they've also, the schedule has been very kind.


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[Assistant] You had a coordinator leave for a very mid division one job. Yes. Very mid division. He was at a top five, perennial top five team as the offensive coordinator and then suddenly leaves to become a head coach of a school that


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[Assistant] For a school who's head coach left to become a coordinator in the NFL. Exactly. And then you have, which is unprecedented, I asked around on Friday and Saturday, I looked it up, if it's happened, I've never, I can't find an example. You had a head coach


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[Assistant] Who has extensive experience at both the NFL and collegiate level leave


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[Assistant] Now, I'm not gonna call UCLA a blue blood program, but they're a, they're a very decorated program. He left the head coaching job to become an OC at Ohio State. And you were already playing Ohio State. You're in the conference. You're in the big team. I just, I still can't get my mind around this.


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[Assistant] I love it. Listen, I love it. Ohio State got a lot better. I love the timing of the news. Earlier in the day, Michigan announced Wink Martindale is leaving the NFL to go to become a DC in college football. And within hours,


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[Assistant] And I think the thing that's really driving coaches crazy and they're going to have to find an answer to it or they're going to lose a lot of really good coaches.


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[Assistant] Financially secure and their legacy is set like Nick Saban and there's not many of those guys by the way. But it's gonna drive those coaches directly into retirement because


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[Assistant] One of the, I'll read one comment that I thought was fascinating as I was asking around experts that have covered this thing for 30 years. One comment was very interesting and here's what it said.


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[Assistant] College football is becoming more like the NFL, but instead of 32 teams, there's going to be 50.


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[Assistant] There's going to be two power conferences in the not too distant future. The Big Ten and the SEC.


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[Assistant] Yes, we've gone to 12 teams for the playoffs.


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[Assistant] But winning is going to be more difficult in college football than ever before.


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[Assistant] You'll see a lot of coaches leave the profession or go to the NFL as a coordinator.


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[Assistant] It's, because look at it, we're already pretty much there. If you're not in the Big Ten or the SEC, do you really have a chance? No. Pac-12, battle of attrition, they're gone. The Big 12, really? I mean the good teams have left to the SEC. And the ACC.


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[Assistant] They had a team that was undefeated and didn't get one of four dance tickets.


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[Assistant] So it's, it's, it's as if it wasn't already the Big Ten versus the SEC. Now the cat's out of the bag, they've said the quiet part out loud, and everybody is scurrying to get into one of the two.


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[Assistant] The NCAA is going to have to be faced with a really, really big decision. It's coming within the next three to five years. They're going to have tiers of Division I college football.


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[Assistant] So the Macs and the WACs and these smaller conferences that really have never had a chance to win anyhow, why are they in Division 1?


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[Assistant] They're gonna be a secondary tier of college football. And look, that'll be a celebrated playoff champion. And I'm not calling it like Division 1A. These are Division 1 schools, but they're not Power 5 schools, which is really turning into Power 2 schools. You'll have 30 in the Big 10. You'll have 30 in the SEC.


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[Assistant] And some of the teams that are currently in the Big Ten, Northwestern, bye bye. You serve no role anymore.


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[Assistant] Okay with this, each team has, you can give one max deal, whatever that is, two million a year.


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[Assistant] You can give two second tier max, one million a year, and you can give three third year deal, 750,000 a year. That would keep anybody from going operation stockpile with some wealthy donor just writing $10 million checks left and right.


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[Assistant] And at least if there's some salary cap, some structure, and that will, that will ensue the integrity.


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[Assistant] No they're not. And that's the free and open market is the NIL deal. Here's the thing, if a player like Johnny Manziel comes from the weeds and doesn't get anything upon signing, but wins the Heisman, he's gonna make that money up in his Heisman commercials and everything else that he's gonna get.


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[Assistant] Brooke Park Browns, bro. Uh, the thing that stands out to me most about Mike's report, which was terrific, by the way, because I thought he got right to the nuts and bolts of the issue. At the end of the day,


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[Assistant] If he's going to ask taxpayers to subsidize any of this, here's why it's a bad look.


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[Assistant] He turned 1 billion into 4.6 billion and likely that number will be 6 billion before long.


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[Assistant] He did that on the backs of Brown's fans.


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[Assistant] That's how he has added five billion dollars if that valuation continues to rise to his net worth.


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[Assistant] How does a man who just invested couple hundred thousand


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[Assistant] In one of Cleveland's sports teams main competitors to buy part of that, then ask those same Cavs fans to write him tax checks when he's got a net worth of almost five of over five billion. It's not a good look.


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[Assistant] And the fact that LA was able to subsidize their entire stadium through private funds tells me if they did it in LA, they can do it in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Even if Haslam has to pay for the bulk of it himself. You want a new stadium to add more worth to your team?


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[Assistant] The other thing that Mike said in his piece is you're going to ask, here's the, this is going to be the truth of this. You're going to ask.


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[Assistant] The most impoverished city in the country by some metrics. To pay for a house for a billionaire. So we can continue to add to his wealth. There is something that is rotten about that statement.


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[Assistant] And you got it. And by the way, I know you said, hey, I'm paying taxes anyway. They might as well, wouldn't you rather, could you imagine what a billion dollars would do for Cleveland City schools?


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[Assistant] With our police department, which is sagging in numbers, and as a result, our crime rates are through the roof and raising like never before. So at some point, Mayor Bibbs gonna have to make a really hard decision.


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[Assistant] Everybody in Cleveland cares about the Browns. That's why Mike's right. In the end, it'll probably be struck, a deal between the Browns and the city of Cleveland. But it's just, it makes me feel really dirty to think that how could that other money, it's gonna cost two billion if they build it.


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[Assistant] How much are they gonna ask Cleveland taxpayers to pay for? What could that money do


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[Assistant] Just like you said, you don't care how much Deshaun Watson makes. You don't care about that. Well, we all should because that's that much money that we don't have for Operation Stockpile.


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[Assistant] It's hard, it's hard to operate and stockpile a lot of talent when one guy is going to make $65 million against Cap next year. So you, fiscal responsibility is hugely important to the success of every business. It's also important to the success of any city.


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[Assistant] And our city does not need to be spending hundreds of millions of dollars. So a billionaire who bought one of our competitors in another sport can get tax funded money for a stadium.


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[Assistant] I know, and you're trying to move on, but listen, your at mom probably know about this too. Like, I went to Collingwood, so McDonald's was right across the street. Like, I lived off the dollar menu.


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[Assistant] As we get ready for the 2024 offseason, I figured we'd go back and grade Andrew Berry's 2023 offseason with all the knowledge we've accumulated over the last 365 days. How the moves have panned out, the signings, the draft picks, and the trades. So let's start with the first one, Dalvin Tomlinson guys. He was the big free agent acquisition.


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[Assistant] We'll start with Dalvin Tomlinson though, the big off-season free agent signing four-year, $57 million deal. How would you think it's panned out for the Browns?


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[Assistant] All four in the B range, and that is very fair. Let's go to Juan Thornhill, the safety acquisition, a three-year, $21 million deal, about $14 million guaranteed. Uh, G, start us off, grade the Juan Thornhill.


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[Assistant] This third defensive end, a three year, $19 million deal. On the smaller end, uh, Jason, start us off. What'd you make the Ogbo signing?


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[Assistant] So the Andrew Barry and the Browns signed like 20 guys. We're gonna whittle it down to the guys who really impacted the field. So we're gonna rapid fire here. Uh, Jason and Bull, you answer this next one. It's a combo. Shelby, Harris, Mohurst combination. Both guys.


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[Assistant] A pluses around. Alright, moving on. J and G, this one's for you. Marquis Goodwin, the speedster receiver who, we didn't see a lot of this year. This one hurts me.


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[Assistant] Couple re-signings that were key, and Jay and Bull, you'll answer this one, but Bull let you go first to see if Jay copies you. Re-signing Ethan Pochich. What grade do you give Andrew Barry for that?


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[Assistant] The other big resigning, bringing Taki Taki back who played a ton because of Anthony Walker's injury. Gee, Jason, what grade do you give that?


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[Assistant] And I'll open this up to everybody, but one move Andrew Berry didn't make was letting Jadavia and Clowney Walker had a great season with Baltimore. I know it's a move he didn't make and they brought in Zadaria Smith and everyone else, but how do you grade Andrew Berry on allowing- I can't blame him for that. A++.


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[Assistant] Let's start with Zedarius Smith. Now I forgot when this trade went down, the Browns actually got a six and a seventh round pick in next year's draft along with Zedarius Smith, but they traded a 2024 fifth and a 2025 fifth. So two fifths for Zedarius Smith, a six and a seventh grade to trade.


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[Assistant] Next trade was Elijah Moore. This was a pick swap as well. Cause the Browns got Elijah Moore and the 74th pick from the Jets. The Jets received the Browns second round pick at number 42. So a pick swap and Elijah Moore. Gbush, start us off. How do you grade this trade?


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go to one from an F. If anyone doesn't give this an A, I'll be shocked. But Dustin Hopkins for a 20-25 seventh round pick. A plus plus. A. Yea, A plus. A plus.


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[Assistant] Easy money, that gives us a little more time to talk about the drafts after the break. Today though, 5 o'clock, The Ultimate Cavs Show makes its debut. Make sure you tune in on our YouTube channel. Jay, you wanna take us to break?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we're going to give a grade on the entire rookie haul and just to remind everybody that took Cedric Timmel with the 74th pick, Siaki Ika at 98 overall, Dewan Jones at 111, Isaiah McGuire the defensive end at 128, DTR at 140, Cam Mitchell 142,


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[Assistant] Luke Wippler at 190 and Ronnie Hickman was their undrafted free agent gym. Also, uh, Muhammad Diyatbe. I definitely pronounced that totally wrong.


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[Assistant] Real quick around the horn, and I mean really quick because we got 30 seconds. Overall grade for the offseason in 2023 for Anjou Berry. B!


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[Assistant] Uh, the Thursday night game in Cleveland was, uh, was a pretty cool night, uh, just in general. I mean, to clinch a playoff berth and like, have it be under the lights in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] I think everybody does. I mean, uh, you know, maybe there's some people out there, but everybody I've been with has some kind of scripted, uh, first 15 or something like that. And it doesn't mean it's your first 15 plays. It doesn't take into account, um, you know, third downs and,


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[Assistant] I mean a lot of the time that first 15 can kinda carry you the whole first half because of all the different situations you hit. You're not calling those in the red zone necessarily. So like you might hit 3 or 4 on the first drive and then you come back on the second drive, hit 3 more. So it's just kind of a red, it's just another part of the call sheet that kinda helps everybody


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[Assistant] Right, it's tough because I think every locker room you're in is somewhat unique, is definitely unique, but it's also special. Like every single locker room has great people in it and guys that you really, really enjoy being around.


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[Assistant] Uhm, ultimately it comes down to everybody being able to bite into one common goal and make it more about the team than themselves. You know, because we all have like these personal aspirations that we want to go out there and accomplish, you know, all these goals we want to accomplish during the season.


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[Assistant] But in order to like buy in, and like I said, every locker room has great guys, but uhm, in order to buy in...


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[Assistant] Like, and win as a team, you have to have that unit come together, and, I mean, listen,


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[Assistant] So I think when you have those few, those few guys, the leaders so called of the team, that


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[Assistant] You can check in on meetings here and there with quarterbacks, but you also want to do it with other people. You also have to leave time to yourself to be able to develop in your mind how you're going to call this game.


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[Assistant] So now, the offensive coordinator, the titled offensive coordinator obviously helps out with that and brings his experience, but he's also the guy that's able to run those meetings. Not only the quarterback meetings, but he's able to run all of the offensive meetings and speak.


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[Assistant] Because like I said, the head coaching job just pulls you in so many different directions. And I'm just saying that from kind of an outsider. I mean, I have a little bit of a view on it because like I see it every day, but it's not like I've actually been through it myself, but it's, it's a heavy load to be a head coach and a play caller, whether that's offense or defense because


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[Assistant] You know, listen, it's an important part of the game and there has to be a plan that goes with that. So to find that time to carve out for yourself is really important.


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[Assistant] You know, listen, I've been doing this for a long time and it's tough to control what other people think of you. Uhm, you know, so if you don't believe in yourself, then nobody else is going to.


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[Assistant] Listen, eh, to have expectations going into something like this where there's so, so many unknowns and...


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[Assistant] You don't, you don't know, uh, you just have no idea how people are gonna view you and, and, and there's all kinds of external factors as well, uhm, that you really can't control, so, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, we'll see. We'll see what happens. I know over the ca- the next couple months, you know, you have-


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[Assistant] Here we go, just turn your back, forget about everything for a second, you know, get your little pre-snap picture and come up and run your progression.


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[Assistant] And not try to, and try to not be too greedy. Uh, a lot of the times when the play action passes, you do get those big chunk plays, but...


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[Assistant] It's underrated how many times defenses are ready for it and check downs go for 10 to 12 yards. So I think that's the biggest thing when it comes to those things is to not be too greedy.


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[Assistant] Listen, listen, listen, players perspective versus...


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[Assistant] But I think when you look at those situations from just a general, eh, from an outsider's view,


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[Assistant] Field goals matter so much. I mean, they do. And I get it. I get the urge to want to discount them to a certain extent. And I get that everybody wants to be in the analytics these days and it says, hey, go for it on fourth down and your chances of winning increase to this. But here's the thing.


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[Assistant] You don't get to run 254th down snaps and play the odds because you're going to say, Hey, we're going to convert 65% of these and we're not going to convert 35. Well, you, you get to do two of them in a game, you know, so you might be the two that don't get it. And the way it sways the game is, is huge. The other part of it is, is Hey, like we're the Cleveland Browns. We just ran the ball on fourth and short.


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[Assistant] 10 straight times, and now all of a sudden we have a play action set up, like, or hey,


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[Assistant] It's not like you're sitting at a blackjack table for three hours and you truly get to play the odds. You're playing it one play at a time and it's almost an individual, it becomes more individual at that point. So you have to have a feel for the game and a feel for your team.


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[Assistant] The amount that in both games, the amount of coach, the amount of times the teams went for the fourth down.


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[Assistant] I was sitting there thinking, man, and they worked out sometimes and they didn't. So obviously there's going to be two different thought processes there, but I'm ultimately.


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[Assistant] Usually when the neck gets a little bit too crazy, that's when I shave again. Uhm. Funny.


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[Assistant] Kevin is better, Kevin is better. He's got a little bit more salt and pepper in there and he actually, he's committed to the beer. Like I said, I kind of just grow it out until it gets too sloppy and then I cut it off. Like he's actually committed, uh, so his is definitely better.


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[Assistant] 15 years ago when I came into the league to both of those things, it was a hard no. Coaching is still a hard no. The broadcasting thing, I mean, jeez, it's gotten so out of control.


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[Assistant] Yeah, listen, I think those types of things


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[Assistant] It's been a couple years since he's been able to play a full year, so it's just, you know, it's just getting back to the point where you got the full confidence going. Uhm, you always need to kind of, you know, confirm to yourself that you're capable of doing what you just did. So, for him it's just being able to settle in and


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[Assistant] I think he's unbelievable. I mean he's so cool to watch. Like just like a true running back. I mean, I kind of envision him


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[Assistant] Walter Payton highlights or Barry Sanders highlights and Jerry Rice and that's what football is. I mean, besides the offensive defensive line, it's like, it's those guys, like just.


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[Assistant] I think in those moments you forget about the fact that you were a rival and coming in here as an opponent all those years. Uhm, I think you can imagine. Obviously that stuff feels good. I mean, it feels good to play well and win football games and when you have that added little thing on top where


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[Assistant] You know, for some reason people are relating to you and really, you can tell that they genuinely enjoy the fact that I was there. It just, you know, like I said, you can imagine.


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[Assistant] It makes you feel pretty good and it makes you want to, it makes you want to do right by them. So it was pretty amazing. And like I said, I think I, you don't really think about the opponent part of it in all those years. Just kind of put yourself in that moment. It's hard to, in those types of situations, it's hard not to be in the moment. It's, it's a little bit surreal, but you know, it's damn cool.


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[Assistant] You know, one backup job may be different than another backup job. One starting job, you know, whatever it may be. I think each, each and every situation


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[Assistant] I think I've shown that I can be the guy that helps the guy out and helps the team out and helps the locker room out and does all those things. And when I'm called on, you know, I can go do that. But it's not like, you know, it's not like


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[Assistant] To, uh, mental institution, but let's start with this. Cheese uh, so somebody posted a picture of a burger on a bun. There was nothing else. It was just a hamburger and a bun.


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[Assistant] Cheese on burnt. I do. I put out a poll after this debate. Okay. I put out a poll on Twitter last night. As of this morning, it had 1400 some odd votes. Right. I said,


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[Assistant] So people would see that first and it was 90-10 cheeseburger. Now, listen, you don't like cheese on a burger, okay, I mean I don't care if you don't like cheese on a burger. My beef with Earl is that he went bananas about it as if he's the normal one and we're all unusual.


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[Assistant] I- There's things that I eat that are unusual, right? Like...


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[Assistant] Nah, I just don't care for it. Nah, if it's on something, you know, if I was somewhere and they were just serving burgers and there was ketchup on it, I'd eat it if I had to. But I would never choose to put it on.


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[Assistant] If I got a good steakhouse, I get it rare. Cause, cause you know it's gonna be good. You know it's gonna be done right.


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[Assistant] By the way, the real Xavier P responds to every media member in Cleveland. I love him, he's a good dude. He gotta be rich. He has to be rich. I don't think he is. He gotta be rich. Because he tweets so much he can't have no job. That's all he does. He responds to every show in town, all the time, non-stop. Satisfying. He watches everything.


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[Assistant] Okay, this is obviously a very complicated issue. It is. Uh, Deshaun Watson will never


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[Assistant] Unless maybe he wins the Super Bowl, reach the popularity of Baker, like when he first took the Browns to the playoffs, not Baker by the end, because Baker had lost popularity by the end of the time he was here.


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[Assistant] Right, and he still had his fans, and he still has his fans, but he, he lost his popularity. But where Baker was when he first came in, his first game against the Jets, building up to the next year when he got to the playoffs,


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[Assistant] But, but, here's the reality Jay, okay? Now, let's talk about being disingenuous.


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[Assistant] So what's disingenuous is that race is not a factor. In every conversation we have to acknowledge that race is a factor.


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[Assistant] That are racist, right? There's a percentage of fans. I don't know what the percentage is. And...


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[Assistant] Within that, so within that percentage of fans that are racist, even though they are racist, some of them, if your quarterback plays well, even if he's black, even if they are racist, they're gonna get on board. There's some that won't ever. Now, we also have to be, uh, admit that it goes, it works the opposite way too, right? When it comes to, uh,


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[Assistant] Being hypocritical, right? So some people would say, well, why are we, why am I, why is Deshaun Watson not getting the benefit of the doubt?


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[Assistant] As Donald Trump, for example. I don't wanna go down that road, but let's just say that for example.


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[Assistant] It works both ways. There may be some people in the white community that are not going to give Deshaun Watson a chance. There may be some people in the black community that are going to believe Deshaun Watson no matter what. So you're saying there's a race element both ways. Certainly, but certainly there's a bigger part of the population is majority white.


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[Assistant] And they have, white people generally in this country have more power and their racism can affect change more than


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[Assistant] So people don't have the right to think. You said before, well, we got to assume he's innocent. Well, I don't, I don't necessarily believe that. You don't have to. We're not a court of law.


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[Assistant] Of something. Sure. Maybe you don't know exactly. That doesn't make you racist. And that doesn't make you a Deshaun Watson hater necessarily. No, of course not.


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[Assistant] To me, if there are 20-something people accusing anybody,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, who, no matter, for me, I can only speak for myself, no matter who that person is, I'm gonna tend to believe the women. And that is fair. However, I would also say that in the end, he served his suspension.


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[Assistant] He has not been found guilty at court. So whether or not I believe Deshaun Watson is completely innocent, completely guilty or somewhere in between, which is probably where I believe.


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter. He's been cleared legally.


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[Assistant] And nobody has, in my opinion, any right to stop him from playing.


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[Assistant] So that is vocalism, right? That's what I'm saying. Well, and yes, and there's certainly truth to that. I mean, by and large,


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[Assistant] I just want to look at this from, obviously we've talked a lot about this angle.


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[Assistant] But there is an, one thing we haven't discussed in the last 30 minutes really, and it's an important angle, it's an important part of the discussion. And the people in this group are the people who will come around.


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[Assistant] With Deshaun Watson. When he wins. And that's, it's not just about winning, because he won as many games as Joe Flacco did. No, he has to, he has to be the reason they go to the playoffs. Right. And he has to play 17 games. He has to, so,


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[Assistant] When the Browns traded for Deshaun Watson, my expectation, and I think most fans' expectation for him, was here. Okay?


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[Assistant] My Baker Mayfield expectation when the Browns drafted him was here.


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[Assistant] I was like, okay, I, you know, I, I wasn't high on him coming out of college, but I wasn't down on him. I liked him better than Sam Darnold. Now I like them less than Josh Rosen.


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[Assistant] So of course, even if we say Joe Flacco and Deshaun Watson played at the same level, and I think Flacco played better, but even if I argue, for argument's sake, that Flacco played the same as Deshaun Watson, well, here's the difference for me. My expectations for Watson were here. My expectations for Flacco were here.


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[Assistant] So I have to look at salary. That's fine. I'm not, I'm just, obviously it's part of it, but still it's about the expectations. So yeaah, I'm going to get more excited because I had no expectations for Flacco and he played pretty well.


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[Assistant] I had expectations, my expectations for Deshaun Watson, the reason when the news broke and I was on the radio that I went


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[Assistant] Crazy on the air is because I thought for the first time in the history of this franchise, well, the modern history of this franchise, they had a top five quarterback.


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[Assistant] Because Deshaun Watson in Houston was a top five quarterback. Deshaun Watson, oddly enough, in his last year there, he didn't win any games, although he played great. But two years before that,


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[Assistant] They won a ton of games because of him. And they made the playoffs two years in a row because of him. And when you look at what Deshaun Watson has done here, we can debate how well he's played, but the reality is that outside of maybe the Ravens game,


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[Assistant] I'm not saying he can't be great. No, he's got three years to fix this. I'm saying to this point, and yes, obviously the fact that he hasn't played has played a role, a big role. That's the biggest role. Even when he's been on the field.


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[Assistant] Real Joe Flacco is going to stand up and so on. And he did. My expectation, like if the Browns re-sign, if Joe Flacco is going to be their quarterback next year.


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[Assistant] You didn't get that in Houston. I will say this, that I... When Deshaun Watson played that second half against the Ravens.


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[Assistant] I said to myself, okay, maybe this is the start.


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[Assistant] It had only been a half. My thought was, okay, now the next bunch of weeks he's gonna get on a roll and he's gonna be that guy again. But I didn't know that for sure. I was hoping that would be the case. And I think what some people have done is said,


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[Assistant] That was the turning point, and they're just assuming it's gonna happen. I was hopeful it was gonna happen, but we never got to see it after that. So I'm not sure. His track record with the Browns has not been anywhere close to what I thought it would be. And until we see it on the regular, I don't know if it's gonna happen for sure.


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[Assistant] That's fair. I hope so. I don't want to lower my expectations. I want to get, I want Deshaun Watson to be a top, and when I say top five, if he's the sixth best quarterback, I don't give a crap. You know what I mean by top five. Name the top five. It's going to be very difficult to


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[Assistant] If he's anywhere close to that group, that's good. He needs to be close or right there. I don't want him to be the, I'm not okay if he's the 17th quarterback in the league. Baker was the 17th quarterback in the league.


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[Assistant] Joe, Ken Dorsey, the new offensive coordinator of the Browns. There's mixed feelings about it.


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[Assistant] Uh, it seems like he's taking the blame maybe for something that wasn't necessarily his fault. I don't know. You watch them every day. You have a better feel for the Bills, certainly. What's your take on the whole situation and what kind of hire it was for the Browns?


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[Assistant] Joe, I wanna go back to what you said initially about, hey, if Dorsey's calling plays, you'd think it's a bad hire. Uh, we don't know yet what's gonna happen.


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[Assistant] In terms of calling plays, I'm hoping that Kevin Stefanski still calls the plays no matter who they hired. Obviously you've covered the bill, so based on your opinion, uh, it seems even more imperative that Kevin Stefanski continue to call the plays. The only thing I would argue about


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[Assistant] You know, there's been a lot of talk that the Bills offense was better after Ken Dorsey got fired. If we look at some of the advanced numbers, Mike, if you could bring up that graphic again.


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[Assistant] Obviously the turnovers went significantly down.


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[Assistant] Uh, after the firing and, and Josh Allen, you know, big part of that obviously in the turnover. But if you look at the, uh, points per drive, they were actually better.


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[Assistant] With Dorsey and the success rate, I don't know how that's...


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[Assistant] How that stat is figured out, uh, it was better. But the big difference is the turnovers. I mean, is there a reason why Ken Dorsey is to blame for the turnovers? And are you surprised by that statistic that they actually scored more points per drive with Ken Dorsey?


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[Assistant] Very quick follow up, Joe, just a yes or no. Are you buying, you know, there's been rumors behind the scenes that the, the idea of keeping, uh, Josh Allen in the pocket was, was over Ken Dorsey's head, that that was forced on him. You buying or selling that?


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[Assistant] He's not a good play caller for the type of quarterback the Browns have. Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] Uh, Deshaun Watson is in the Josh Allen mold in terms of type of quarterback.


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[Assistant] And he, it's one man's opinion. He doesn't feel that Ken Dorsey's a good play caller for the type of quarterback that Josh Allen is and for the type of quarterback that Deshaun Watson is. I, I mean, I guess we'll find out if he's right. Let's hope he's wrong. If he's calling plays here. If he's calling plays.


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[Assistant] Listen, there's different ways to do it. If the rookies are good enough, it's irrelevant whether they're rookies. Look at the Texans. Their best receiver was a rookie. Their second best receiver is in his fourth year. Their running backs are not old. They weren't loaded with veteran players.


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[Assistant] And Cedric Tillman being my fourth. I just need a better second or...


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[Assistant] Chris, I'm curious, I'm going to watch the whole thing today when I get home.


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[Assistant] And then he, then he changed his name. I, I thought I'd read that he, that happened when he went to rehab or something that he wanted to change. Did you talk about the name change at all? Did you get into that or was it just not something you went through? No.


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[Assistant] I actually, I'm with you, Chris. I think Kenny Lofton is the Hall of Famer of the Three. Albert just didn't do it long enough. That's part of the problem. You know, he didn't play the field.


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[Assistant] And like at his best, Albert was the best, I think, of the three. But Kenny Lofton was just so good for so long. I think that they do hold it against them for all the teams. I think that's stupid for me. I don't know. That's how I see it.


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[Assistant] I would say the same thing as Jay, that I, I can't do it myself. So what I did was I read a column from Ben Golliver who writes for, you know Ben Golliver?


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[Assistant] Was that Washington Post or something? Yep, smart guy. So I was like, I was looking for articles about Jared Allen and all the articles were from Cleveland writers and I'm like, well I can't read those because they're all biased.


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[Assistant] What's interesting, Mike, is that a couple of weeks ago, I feel like you thought he had almost no chance to make it, and now you think he might, or I don't know. What do you say?


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[Assistant] You know, I think the fact, I mean the Knicks are the only team of the teams you put up there that have a better record than the Cavs.


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[Assistant] But, uh, it's actually his real name. You look at Jared Allen's play, he's right, ultimately. You look at Jared Allen, like the Cavs were not playing great basketball before Darius and Mobley got hurt.


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[Assistant] And so you would have thought once they got hurt, they play even worse. Instead, it went the opposite direction. And while Donovan Mitchell deserves a ton of credit for that, the next guy that deserves the most credit is Jared Allen.


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[Assistant] Last 25 games he's averaged 16 and a half and 12 and a half. Three and a third assist for a center. Look at the shooting. And the Cavs have the number three defense in the league.


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[Assistant] Mowgli and, and, uh, Garland went down, they have the number three defense, and he's the biggest reason why for that. So, the Cavs are a good team, uh,


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[Assistant] By the way, interesting on the calves. Remember last year there was this massive home road differential with the calves? Yes. Like that was such a big storyline and I hadn't really been paying attention to it. At home they're 16 and 8. On the road,


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[Assistant] They're 12 and 8. So they're better at home, but it's not the disparity that it was. I mean, they suck on the road.


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[Assistant] And they got a 600 winning percentage on the road.


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[Assistant] I think you could have both, right? Like, you're not gonna play him 12 minutes.


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[Assistant] So there's going to be, I think he's got to adjust his game, just like other people have to adjust their game. I agree, but I'm pleased. We'll see if the Cavs see it that way. But yes, the Cavs will be better if when he's playing with Donovan, he's essentially the two guard.


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[Assistant] But, when Donovan sits for some time, when Donovan sits, then he takes over during those minutes as the point guard.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we don't want to become dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble because that's, the team's playing their best basketball in two years. I hope that


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[Assistant] I think Mobley, we were saying yesterday that we think Mobley should be shooting three-pointers, more three-pointers, three to four three-pointers a game.


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[Assistant] Will that happen? B, do the calves believe he's capable? C, you know, is he confident in himself?


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[Assistant] He go, and the response was, this guy is somebody who knows the team very well. He says it's not going to happen because he has no confidence in his three point shot. Now, he said the team 100% believes he can be a three point shooter.


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[Assistant] But, he, he did say that the team totally believes in him, it's all about his own confidence. Right. And he, he's gotta work on that. He does.


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[Assistant] You just brought up the point last year, yesterday, that, uh, what, Brooke, was it Brooke Lopez? No, uh, uh, Brooke Lopez. It was Brooke Lopez. Never shot, and then all of a sudden he shot. No, it raised our run.


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[Assistant] Does it get heated in terms of what? Like ratings and stuff like that?


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[Assistant] I mean, but when I was working on the radio, my biggest rivalries were with the other guys on my station.


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[Assistant] There was only one sports station in town at the time, K&R.


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[Assistant] So, uh, I knew we would kill them in the ratings. So even though they'd been established, so we killed, we, we, we got their, their afternoon host fired within six months because we killed them in the ratings and they, and from six months till the time I left and through now, KNR has


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[Assistant] It's great. I think we should, I should think we should freak her out. We should be like, yo, uh, yeah, McNuggets, uh, Earl, the young guys were standing night before.


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[Assistant] Yeah. You're in business. Hey, let me see. See, I gotta figure this out. Now, let me ask y'all too, because I'm going right back to the well on this Cavs game.


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[Assistant] Uhm, do you, how much do you think that, uh,