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[Assistant] Brad, come on, you ain't never identified, like, like if you, have you ever said, like, you know what, I'm a lion. Hell no.


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[Assistant] That's the best, I think, two part. One, we generally care for each other, like, it ain't like, no, like, you know how you work with some people, you be like, I work, I done been at places for years, ten years, and you be like, I just work with that person, we don't eat birthday cake together or nothing. Like, I genuinely like, like, we, like, have,


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[Assistant] You know, concern and care for each other and then too, like you said, it's just the fact that like, everybody just stand on what they stand on. And even, you know, the producers, everybody, the people in the panel, but the best thing in the world is when the cameras go off,


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[Assistant] We don't even be talking about that. Like we just, like nothing happened. We don't never bring it back the next day. Ain't never no residuals. I don't be texting my, oh my God, this dude get online. We don't even do that.


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[Assistant] I said, you lying dawg. He said, bro, you gotta stop. True story. You freaking me out. But no, shout out to the director. See, director Steve, I would have gave you some advice when you went on that. Next time you holler at your boy. He definitely got


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[Assistant] So, so the worst ones of all time is the Pittsburgh Steelers, uh, Hamburglar joints. Oh, the joints with the pinstripes over the top, the brown, uh, the, the, uh, the Packers throwback uniforms with a Navy top.


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[Assistant] Uh, yellow, horrible. Uh, we can keep going. There are, playing doesn't mean that it's terrible. The best playing jerseys are Penn State's. The Penn State got fire jerseys.


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[Assistant] I hate the Yankees. I hate the Yankees, but the Yankee Pinstripes will get it done. Now, if I move along to the NFL, the NFL, the Powder Blue, San Diego Chargers are some of the best in the game.


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[Assistant] So here's, here's the... The Sonics. The Sonics, they got, they got a weird color way. But the best of all times, and I'm sorry, I might, I've been trying to tell myself I ain't gonna go get it.


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[Assistant] You know, first of all, the Cavs creamsicle joints with the Cavs and shooting shirts, whatever. I'm in the shooting shirts. They got a 1992 Chicago Bulls authentic snap-down tear-away joint.


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[Assistant] With the rainbow, that's the rainbow effect, that's like the astros of those. But I will give you another person that had, I love these to this day, if you can get the first team USA.


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[Assistant] Listen, I'm cool with it. Uhm, I think it's dope in college. It takes a little bit of time to get used to it in pros because it's very stringent. Like, I'm used to very traditional 80s and you wear that. But I'm cool with it. I ain't got a problem with it. Brad, you got any problem with it?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I do, I do want to see people bring back the flutie 21. I'd like to see 20s as a quarterback. No, that's hideous. You look so slow as a quarterback. He was slow. He was. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] When I was 30 or so, I was unemployed for like the first time I saw something on TV. They said, hey, you want to go to Ohio Media School? I couldn't get no, uh, no money because I already had a degree. So I took all the money I had, put it in, went to Ohio Media School, started a YouTube page. And then years later, your boy is in the building.


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[Assistant] There's only two, there's one company, um, shout out to Jordan. I went to Jordan Deal. Either to Jordan or Nike Deal.


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[Assistant] And then, you know what I do, you know, like I always say, I sign myself, give me the barbershop deal. There you go. Merchandise everywhere, podcast, coming to those places, you, the barbershop tour, I got 75 shows. I got them right now. Hey, holla at your boy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the Chief was phasing him out a couple years ago. That's done. Get over it.


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[Assistant] What's your plan in Akron? Is it at the Jar? In Akron. Oh, it's at the Jar. It's at the Jar. It's $59.53. I'ma go with to Akron over there. Yeah, go on. I love that Akron.


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[Assistant] Are you in charge? Do you get to make the final call on which film wins?


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[Assistant] I know intellectually that it would be better to switch to the metric system. I see that, you know, the millimeters and all that stuff adds up a lot more evenly and nicely. But guess what? It's never gonna happen. It's probably not. We like Donald Trump. You think we're switching to the metric system?


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[Assistant] This was the whole point of all those rallies. It wasn't just to fire up people to vote for him. It was to fire up Donald Trump.


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[Assistant] The Khan episode illustrates Donald's major flaw.


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[Assistant] is he can't let something go and he can't


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[Assistant] Notice that he's losing a fight until he's really lost it.


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[Assistant] It was to show America that he believed certain things about the Clintons that many Americans also believe.


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[Assistant] And that he was going to stand up for them against the Clintons, uh, in a way that was so tough and really so ruthless that it gave some satisfaction to people who hate the Clintons.


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[Assistant] No, it's my pleasure. It's like, honestly, like, the whole reason I do this is just amazing to get to meet people that I grew up on, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah man, fantastic. Uh, but we gotta talk about this. Like, last time that we saw each other, we were outside of a Detroit auto factory.


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[Assistant] You know, alright, right, like I see people go viral over Halloween and stuff off of like really creative costumes and then somebody suggested Eminem and I'm like pfft.


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[Assistant] And as an adult, you just like, you get so used to being uncomfortable, like giving me right now, I'm like, man, I'm gonna wanna put a hoodie on, but I got this stupid pain all over me.


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[Assistant] I don't know, but so do you get into Halloween because of the kids? Because your kids are excited about it?


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[Assistant] I've seen you with the kids at the Lakers game and they were super excited about it and going crazy and it was just like cool to see you like really enjoying that from like your son's perspective.


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[Assistant] Do you think your kids necessarily, cause there's always that struggle of like if you are a person who sort of made it in life and you're able to afford to have your kids courtside at the Lakers game that they might not necessarily grow up with the same understanding of the struggle per se.


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[Assistant] You ever look at your kids and you're like, man, like, like, is there ever a balance in your mind between having them grow up to be street smart to a certain extent and having them just actually be able to just avoid a lot of the bullshit that some kids have to?


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[Assistant] Is watching your kids grow up, is that like...


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[Assistant] But when did you start to really see that becoming a thing within hip hop?


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[Assistant] You think that's why you gravitate towards working with Be Real? Cause he's like a dude who's been around for a long time and still manages to like, you know, he still seems real passionate about actually getting in there and rapping regardless of what might be the most popular shit going on at the time or whatever.


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[Assistant] Right. People probably wouldn't have seen you necessarily. Like I mean, I guess Pimp My Ride and all that was like your initial entry into acting, but you've gone way beyond that sense. And I guess like some people probably, like even when I go, I was going back and watching Pimp My Ride, like there's, there's a video of all of the intros of every time that you walked out.


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[Assistant] Right. So let's talk about Exhibit as a Young Man. When you think back to what you were like in elementary school or junior high, was it clear to you that you were going to be this kind of creative person?


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[Assistant] That was the kind of shit that I was watching kids do in movies. But I wanted to do that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] It's weird because you go through your whole childhood in a certain way, you can't really relate to your father and what he was going through in terms of the way he disciplines you or the way he treats you, but then you get older and you start to see


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, that's gotta be a fucking struggle though because sometimes I feel like, you know, cause the way I grew up, I would never want to lay hands on my kid if I had one.


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[Assistant] Because they're high performing individuals, so they need something like this that will, uh, help them to stay on top. Uh, I use it, and it definitely helps me stay sharp and focused when I'm making videos, doing interviews, all that. So, I would suggest that you head on over to www.eagle.energy.com


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[Assistant] I remember I woke up around 17 and I realized that my dad couldn't really hit me anymore because I could fuck him up.


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[Assistant] Alright, but, but, so what was your relationship to, to hip hop growing up, all through high school and stuff? Was that, was that your soundtrack to you misbehaving?


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[Assistant] Right. So you were actually recording and stuff while you were in Albuquerque or did that start once you moved to LA?


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[Assistant] Okay. And so when you moved to LA, where did you move to? And did you just get wrapped up in the whole scene or what?


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[Assistant] By the time you were really out there in like the late 90s, early 2000s, it was like your image and shit was very much like that you were like the quintessential LA dude with the hair, the outfits, everything. You just looked like the hardest South Central cat period. Was it, was it kind of a weird thing because you weren't originally from LA?


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[Assistant] And so how did you like even get to the point where, where you started to get into the, the, the ear of like, you know, top level people in LA? Because it's like, from the sounds of it, you were just like coming out here and just trying to meet people, just trying to make something happen, trying to figure out what's going on. But then all of a sudden you're in the studio with like the biggest names in LA. That's kind of like a crazy trajectory to, to navigate.


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[Assistant] Right, so yeaah, it is kinda crazy to think that that was sorta how you were presented, is that you were like this, this gangster rapper, but also like super technical lyrically, like that was sorta like the,


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[Assistant] So you, there was really like very few hiccups, very few like problems between the whole crew and everything, cause I think that's like the assumption is that if you put like ten really popular rappers on a rap tour together in close quarters, that there's just gonna end up being issues.


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[Assistant] Right. Yeaah, so, you recorded the Chronic 2001 right before that tour?


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[Assistant] Right, yeaah. So, so making that project though, like, did it just, did it seem obvious to you how massive of a project this was gonna be? Because it had been, you know, how many years? Maybe three, four years since, uh, or even longer than that.


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[Assistant] But so by the time that started to happen, you started to really become like a household name. Had you already started to like grow up a significant amount in the sense of like not wanting to completely party your ass off all the time or were you still kinda...


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[Assistant] Cause you had sort of a period in between, sort of like, where you were really riding the high career wise, and then like, where you sort of like, decided to sort of restructure yourself.


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[Assistant] Right. And was it the tax shit that was the number one thing that was fucking you up?


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[Assistant] Right, oh, so that was part of you sort of like, and that was all the way back in like 2012, 13?


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, that's crazy man, just cause it's such a competitive marketplace at this point too. There's so much fucking weed stuff out there, but I mean, you see,


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[Assistant] Right. In retrospect, on something like the, the I've been smoked whore.


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[Assistant] How much weed was really getting smoked every day? Was it ridiculous? Even compared to today's standards?


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[Assistant] Right. Are you into the edibles or anything like that? No.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's good to know. For some reason, like, the backwoods thing, I know it's not new, but it feels kinda like, I went into Joe Budden's office space fairly recently and saw that there was a pack of backwoods right there and I'm like, you smoke those?


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[Assistant] So uhm, yeaah, in terms of, so how did you actually become super tight would be real is a good question.


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[Assistant] So serial killers from the beginning was just you and him or was this other guy Demdrick too?


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[Assistant] What's the creative process like with UMP Real, or with the Serial Killers music? Is this always you guys in the studio together, or do you send tracks back and forth, or how's it go?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's fire. Do you, uh, spend much time touring at this point? Or is that something you want to get back into with the new project and everything? Is Cypher so-so out here and shit?


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[Assistant] That's dope. You feel like, is it the fact that you're being successful in other areas and that you finally got, like, the, the tax situation, everything cleared away that just has it so you're in this mental space where you can really embrace it?


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[Assistant] Is that a brass knuckles pen right there? It is. Let me check that out. Looks pretty good.


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[Assistant] Is that, is that kinda handy? Cause you're like, forced to be doing stuff with the kids where you can't necessarily go and roll a whole blunt and stuff? Nah, I smoke in front of a damn kid. Oh, you smoke in front of-


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[Assistant] I don't know if I go with that. Oh man, yeaah. I don't know. Something about doing the dab or I just get a little too high.


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[Assistant] That's good for you. That's one way. But I mean, I like it. I think it's cool. I've done it. If I really wanted to get like too high, I guess I could do that. Yea, do it dad.


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[Assistant] My thing with acid, a couple years ago I felt kinda lost in terms of what I was doing and I had a friend suggest it to me and it just seemed like, you know what, I might need that right now and I did it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, it just made me, it made me really critical of myself and it made me think about everything in my life and be like, you know what, you need to fix this. You need to get more serious about this, et cetera, et cetera. And now I feel like I'm in a position where I just need to work really hard to keep accomplishing things that I'm working on. And I have no desire to do anything like that, to get out of my current mind state. I feel like if I were to,


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[Assistant] Uh, it's like we're adults, we can look at some guy's Instagram who's like presenting his life in a certain light and trying to make his life seem so cool and we can kind of see through it and be like, you know, whatever, he's capping, he's, he's


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[Assistant] So, yea, Brass Knuckles, the Serial Killers Project, anything else you want to make sure that the people are aware that you got coming?


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[Assistant] Hell yea man, nah, it's just great to see somebody that I spent so much of my childhood looking at. Just to see you in a really good state of mind is very, uh, is empowering.


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[Assistant] Nojumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, possibly SoundCloud and iTunes coming back soon. Let us know if you want it.


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[Assistant] I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And yes I did.


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[Assistant] And you know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be president. And I think that's a good thing.


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[Assistant] A woman in a beauty contest, and he called this woman Miss Piggy.


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[Assistant] Then he called her Miss Housekeeping because she was Latina.


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[Assistant] It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.


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[Assistant] What's going on today? Okay, well, Tagboard's not working. Classic Tagboard. But I can tell you what's going on today. So, we can't show you. I promise it's really going on our Twitter. We said Bo's back on Twitter this morning. Yes.


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[Assistant] And I said, I wonder what the, oh, I tagged bet jack, who by the way is the official sports book of the ultimate Cleveland sports show. If you want to get in on the game.


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[Assistant] They came back to us, and I tagged them and said, Hey, Bet-Jack, what's the over-under for how long Bull's ultimate first monologue will be? And they set the line on his virus monologue, not his overall sports takes for two weeks, on his virus for two and a half minutes. So in a second, give me the over.


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[Assistant] There's two things on here you said that we didn't get to. We'll get to those at the end. Here's a tease for the end of the show. People complaining about Tyler Huntley making the Pro Bowl, and Jacobi Burstet not. And also your Netflix movies, what you watch, actresses and actors.


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[Assistant] It's dodgeball and flag football. It is Trevor Lawrence, Derek Carr, who retired from Las Vegas, who now is going back to Vegas to be part of this.


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, I didn't know the Dwayne Rudd run. That's not my list. Oh, okay. So like I went back to, I did some research.


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[Assistant] I finished writing my set yesterday. This weekend, if you got 10 minutes, let me run it by you. Okay.


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[Assistant] If you laugh twice, that means these guys will laugh ten times. You're a tougher audience than them.


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[Assistant] G Bush liked the one on the quad. I think it's going to be pretty good. Secondly, this is a text from Tivus that I need to read word for word.


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[Assistant] Quote, can you put me and De'Quel in some sort of box? There you go. Quote from Tyvis. Tell De'Quel he want to be me wearing Cleveland hats. He the biggest flaw. Hate it on J-Okay like that. LOL.


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[Assistant] I'll take it down on next Wednesday, don't worry.


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[Assistant] This came about on Tuesday, me and Polk had a meeting, and then Jay's gonna introduce Polk, G's gonna introduce Anthony, and you're gonna introduce Meeble. You don't necessarily need jokes, like you could just be yourself.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can roast me. I mean, I'm gonna roast all you guys. Alright, good. It's a fair game for everybody.


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[Assistant] Charity, right, Mike? The Greater Cleveland Food Bank. Next Wednesday, 730 start. Love it. The whole UCSS crew is going to be there. It's going to be a blast. I'd show you the graphic, the tag boards being a pain in the, you know what? Right now. So still broken, huh? Yeah. Hit it again. Let's see if it's working now.


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[Assistant] I need to answer a few questions, but he's going to be engaging with the audience throughout that game. So make sure you guys sign up to be a coaches here member.


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[Assistant] Alright, you guys ready for some specific penalties? Yes, we are. That was Tuesday, Jay. Explain the category.


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[Assistant] Stinger Mike. And this comes off what happened with the bangles. Joseph Assai is not on this list. I figured I'd go five other ones, but I think I'm going to have a couple that you don't remember.


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[Assistant] And I'm sure Jay, Bull, you guys have something that I don't remember. So, with that in mind, number five is actually a no call.


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[Assistant] Do you remember the pass interference on Max Stafford's Hill Merry in 2009? Hank Poteet called for pass interference after the interception in the end zone. There were zeros on the clock.


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[Assistant] An interference in the end zone puts the ball on the one yard line. Matt Stafford throws the game winning touchdown. And more importantly, it ruined Brady Quinn's coming out party.


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[Assistant] Mohammed Massaquard and Chansey Stuckey.


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[Assistant] Do you remember the famous hill mary that rogers threw against the line?


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[Assistant] Holding on Dallas in 2010, Sunday night football, Dallas was down 13-7 against Washington. Tony Romo had a miraculous scramble, ran in and out of the offensive line, dipped, dodged, weaved, ducked, and dodgeballed his way.


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[Assistant] I'm not, you know, a lifelong Browns fan, but when I saw him leave and I saw Earl turn white, I was like, okay, that's it. This has to be on the list. Number two.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, what's your number one? So number one, before you take it Mike, let me paint you a picture. Imagine being in a Super Bowl expansion franchise. You just tie the game up with a minute and one second to play. You are on the precipice of going to overtime.


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[Assistant] And John Casey kicks the ball out of bounds to give Tom Brady a short field to set up the game winning field goal from Vinatieri.


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[Assistant] Had to be the most crushing feeling for a fan to know. You were right there. A minute left, one time out.


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[Assistant] And you give them the ball at the 40 yard line. I cannot think of, and I can't wait to hear what your number one is. I can't think of with the stakes, with the situation, a more demoralizing penalty.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was a bad one. Wooo! Anthony used that picture, incidentally, when we did this on Tuesday, and I thought he did it intentionally, but you weren't here, so.


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[Assistant] So we're gonna do I think I think, and we're gonna wait to do I think I think till Bo gets back. He, he came back and looks at us and goes, guys gotta take a deuce.


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[Assistant] Hold on, hold on, listen. We have busted on Tivus and Jason. Why don't you just take a camera in the bathroom right now? No, that's HIPAA. I'm not gonna violate HIPAA. But we have talked about Jason and Tivus leaving to use the bathroom. Jason offered to buy Tivus a manned diaper.


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[Assistant] And then I'll ask him, Bull, do you want to start with question one or question two of I Think You Think?


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[Assistant] So, Bull has worked in TV for nine months now, and he's done two things in nine months that you have not seen in 30 years. He threw up on air, and he left to take a crap on air.


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[Assistant] My first, I think, I think, NBA edition is the Sacramento Kings or Fools Go. They're currently third in the West. They lead the NBA in points per game. Their third point differential, which is kind of shocking. They don't lose at home. They have six players averaging at least 12 points.


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[Assistant] They play no defense. First time in the playoffs. None of their guys have playoff experience outside of Harrison Barnes. I'm just not buying them long term.


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[Assistant] I think, well, they could play Golden State in the first round is the issue. With how Golden State's just taking the, cause they're the three seed right now, so they're gonna play the six.


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[Assistant] Alright, number two. Based on this year and this year alone,


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[Assistant] Jack Gilders-Alexander in Oklahoma City is a top 10 player in the league, maybe even higher. I'm gonna show you a list real quick. Mike, take the next graphic, 124. Here's a list of every player in NBA history to average 30 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 1.5 steals, and 1 block per game for an entire season.


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[Assistant] Now, it's halfway through a season, it's not a full season yet, but if he finishes with his current pace, he'd be the second player ever to put up that stat line behind the one and only Michael. It's hard to disagree with what you just said.


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[Assistant] I'm confident on this one, but LeBron breaks Kareem's scoring record on February 9th.


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[Assistant] Against Milwaukee on TNT. It's five games away. He only needs really three games at his current pace. I think he sits a game. I think he sits a second game. Why do you think he wants to do it with Yanis watching?


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[Assistant] Well, it's against Kareem, or it'll break Kareem's record, play for Milwaukee, on TNT, nationally televised game, he'll get the entire ceremony with it, and it'll be in LA, at the quote unquote crypto center, aka the Staples Center.


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[Assistant] Boy, you want me to say something crazy? Yea. So he's played 20 years. Guess how many assists he's behind John Stockton for number one.


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[Assistant] I don't know how he got him. I just was- I didn't know this. You ready for these numbers? John Stockton has 15,806 assists. Second is Jason Kidd. 12,091.


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[Assistant] No, it goes, uh, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, then LeBron. How many, how many rebounds is LeBron?


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[Assistant] Right, so that would put him at- That puts him around 20. Give or take around 20 all the time.


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[Assistant] David Robinson, Hall of Famer. Ben Wallace, Hall of Famer, which is a joke, but he's still Hall of Famer. Ben Wallace is in the Hall of Fame? Don't forget that. Uh, Tyson Chandler, Dave Cohen's, Bill Ambeer, Otis Thorpe, DeAndre Jordan, Zach Randolph, Sean Marion, Johnny Kerr, Bob Lanier, Marcus Camby. Come on.


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[Assistant] Here, put it in context. Put it in context, we'll move on. I have Jordan's numbers. I don't know where it ranks all time. But he's fifth in scoring.


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[Assistant] As we mentioned, LeBron has 8,000, uh, no, LeBron has 10,560 total rebounds.


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[Assistant] Jordan had 6,672, so he's got almost 4,000 more rebounds than Jordan.


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[Assistant] We're gonna, we're gonna table JB Bickerstaff, and we'll wait for Jason to come in. Jason's a big part of that. I do have two more we're gonna do real, real, real quick. One of them leads into Bickerstaff, but we won't. I think the trade deadline's gonna be a dud. I don't think we see any major moves. So many teams want upgrades, but there's just not a lot of pieces out there. I'd be shocked if the Cavs make anything.


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[Assistant] And then last, this was gonna lead us into Bicker Staff. I do think the Cavs are in a bit of trouble. They started the season 8-1. They're 23-21 since. That's a 500 team. They're 9-11 since Christmas. And they do not win games on the road and at some point it's gonna come back to play.


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[Assistant] Tomorrow, by the way guys, it is the viewer's choice show. We have Jake Trotter coming in outside of that. It is all your topics. We've had over 50 submitted so far. If you want to get yours in, DM me on Twitter.


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[Assistant] No politics, no religion, anything else is on the table. We will answer all your ridiculous questions. Send them in and let's have a blast.


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[Assistant] Do whatever you gotta do, but we want your topics tomorrow. We'll have a blast. We'll see you then.


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[Assistant] So uhm, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] 很多人聽說她的這個事都來嘲笑她的眼光但是我老公無比堅定地說


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[Assistant] So uhm, uh, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] 我才知道 他们也拖 他们也挂门上 但是只有我老公 吵又


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[Assistant] 我老公干过这么多的傻事,但是不管别人怎么笑话他,他就是一直那句话,我没有错,我只是不一样。


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[Assistant] This spirit has taught me how to be confident. It has taught me how to face the awkwardness of life. This is so important. So right now, what I'm doing to my husband is... I'm holding it in my hand, afraid of breaking it. I'm putting it in the bathroom, afraid of melting it. This time, I didn't perform well in the first round of the Welfare Conference. At that time, I got a first place. My husband comforted me. I said, it's okay, it's not embarrassing.


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[Assistant] My husband said


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[Assistant] From the front office to the coaching staff to the locker room. This is a loss of belief in Baker and he had not dealt with that really in a long time, right? Maybe ever. Right. And I think, uh, you know, he, he wanted to, to, to be a Brown for life. He wanted to be the guy that, you know, took Cleveland.


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[Assistant] to a Super Bowl, but it j for a number of differen


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[Assistant] I think sometimes, I think sometimes that bravado at Oklahoma played very well. Right. Planning the flag, all of that stuff, but when you're not winning, it doesn't play very well. And he wasn't winning here.


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[Assistant] Uh, except for a couple stretches in 2018 and 2020. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So I think a lot of the issues predate Kevin. You know, I was here in 2019 with Freddie Kitchens. They had all kinds of wild stuff happening off the field that made it very difficult for that team to win on Sundays. Now, Kevin's style is not to get in your face. You know, he is very...


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, introverted in a lot of ways. Uh, I think he's a terrific football mind. I think he's a very good play caller despite, uh, some of the rough patches they've had. Uhm, you know, in 2020, when they had so much success, they weren't in the building. There wasn't some of the chemistry issues you had to deal with because everybody was at home.


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[Assistant] On Zoom calls, right? You didn't have a lot of the interpersonal, uh, locker room issues that we've seen, you know, bubble up, uh, at times under his tenure. But, you know, I think a lot of the things that did happen, uh, it should never even matter who the head coach is.


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[Assistant] You know, like the Gideon Clowney, I'm not playing on first and second down. Like, there's gotta be players in the locker room that I'm not gonna tolerate.


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[Assistant] That type of stuff, which you see with other NFL locker rooms. You haven't seen it enough with the Browns. Now Kevin probably deserves some of the responsibility for the way that that has gone, uh, but it's not just him. It's above him and it goes before he arrived here.


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[Assistant] Well I think that part of the problem in this particular case is that this is a collaborative effort.


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[Assistant] Kevin Stefanski is not Bill Belichick. He's not making all the decisions. Paul DiPodesta is making decisions. The Haslums are making decisions. Andrew Berry is part of this process. So like the Jadevion clowny thing.


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[Assistant] I don't think that was up to Kevin to say, well, we're gonna, we're gonna cut him next week. We're not gonna tolerate that. You know, he's not gonna play on first and second down in a game we have to have.


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[Assistant] The next week, he was in on the second series, and so if you're pairing on Winfree, then you see that.


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[Assistant] You know, that's where you have culture issues.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's that he's too involved, but he is making the calls. I mean, the reason Deshaun Watson is on the Browns is cause of Jimmy Houser.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not saying that. I think it was a collaborative effort, but Jimmy is the one who spearheaded that effort.


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[Assistant] He's the reason that Deshaun Watson's making 230 million dollars, which is how they got Deshaun Watson in the first place. If they don't pony up to pay that kind of money, he's playing somewhere else.


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[Assistant] Well, let's talk about the first issue you referenced.


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[Assistant] What's the difference between Baltimore and Pittsburgh and Cleveland? The biggest difference. They have incredible continuity there.


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[Assistant] From ownership to GM, to head coach, to quarterback. The Browns have not had that since they came back to the league in 99. And if you keep


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[Assistant] Firing coaches, and you keep firing coordinators, you keep changing quarterbacks, you're never going to get to the point where you want to get. So that's, so I understand, so that's point one, but.


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[Assistant] Again, this is a collaborative effort. Kevin Stefanski is not the most powerful person in that building.


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[Assistant] It was like, I mean, the clowny thing, I think, was an inflection. Oh, he had been going that day. So he had no power to get rid of. I don't, I don't think. So who did?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think if Deepa Destah said we're going to cut this guy, he'd have been cut. So if Kevin would, Kevin can't go to Deepa Destah and say I want this guy out of here? I mean he can, but it's not, I don't think that's Kevin's call to make. Wow.


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[Assistant] So I think that was, I think that that was, let me put it this way. If Kevin, uh,


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[Assistant] If Kevin wasn't speaking for Joe Woods, he might have been fired before the bye week.


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[Assistant] Now in that particular case, Kevin does have say, you know, whose coaches are going to be, but like Kevin at the end of the day was not going to be able to keep Joe Woods on. There's just going to be too much pressure externally and internally.


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[Assistant] It was looking like it might happen because the defense was playing so poorly. You know, the defense from that point on actually played really well. It was the offense that completely cratered. Uh, so I think they saw enough in the Baltimore and Cincinnati game to say, okay, like, all right, you know, we're going to roll forward with it, but it wasn't enough to save his job.


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[Assistant] Well, to the Haslam's credit, they're trying to do everything they can. They really do want to win.


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[Assistant] That's why they're paying a quarterback $230 million. I agree with that. I agree with that. They are trying, you know, this is why they fire coaches and change quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] They do want to win, uhm, but I do agree with you, once they made that trade, the 2022 season was over.


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[Assistant] Now, I don't think they realized it at the time, cause they thought he was gonna be suspended 4-6 games. It became clear to me during the summer, he ain't getting suspended 4-6 games. It's gonna be a lot more than that.


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[Assistant] On the flip side of it, I'm not sure that their record is any different based on what we saw from Watson.


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[Assistant] If he only does get suspended 6 games. That's true. Because of how well Jacoby was playing, and how poorly Deshaun played when he got back. I mean, what game, from week 7 to week 12, were they winning with Deshaun Watson instead of Jacoby Brissette? I think the record at the end of the year, which is crazy to think about, is exactly the same whether Watson had been suspended 6 games or 11 games. I think that's fair. I think if he had not been suspended at all,


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[Assistant] Are you concerned about that? I would be concerned if I were a Browns fan about that because they're not paying him to be the 10th best quarterback in the NFL. They're paying him to be the 2nd or the 3rd. And the Browns...


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[Assistant] This roster, I've been saying, like, the best roster Jason Watson's gonna play with is probably the one he just played with in 2022. It's gonna get more and more difficult to...


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[Assistant] Deal with the cap ramifications of that contract and keep key guys on the team. You're gonna have to make some tough decisions pretty soon here about, alright, well like, we can only afford this.


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[Assistant] So we're going to have to move on from that player. I mean, those decisions might not be this offseason, but it's common pretty quickly because it's not just Deshaun, it's, you know, Miles Garrett, it's Denzel Ward. They're paying out a ton of money. Joel Batonio, Nijoku, Wyatt Teller, Amari Cooper. I mean, they have a lot of big contracts.


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[Assistant] I mean, basically it comes down to this. Where the Browns gonna be over the next three years? Is Deshaun Watson a top five quarterback? The answer is yes. They're gonna be in the mix. If not, they're not gonna be. It's a disaster. That's the, that's, and based on what we saw, the six game tee has got a long way to go. It's gonna be tough, you know, to be


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[Assistant] 8th, 9th, best in the NFL, based on what we saw. But to get to the Patrick Mahomes level,


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[Assistant] Which is what you need him to be. Right. For that kind of money and the first round picks they gave up. That's a long way to go. Not impossible, but a long way to go.


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[Assistant] I think it can occur. I think Kevin's a good play caller.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, yeah, so like the CEO part of it is a different, but in terms of like designing an offense that Deshaun Watson's gonna believe in and thrive in, like I have confidence that that's gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Uhm, now I don't know if Watson's gonna be at the level in that offense to justify the contract. That's the question. Uhm, but I, I mean, Jacoby Brissette was eighth in the NFL in QBR.


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[Assistant] I mean, there's some players that it doesn't matter. They carry everybody else.


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[Assistant] I think if, without having given it a lot of thought, going into the 2023 season, I would say the Browns are like a fringy playoff pick. Like they're somewhere from 5 to 8.


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[Assistant] Even if he's just middle of the road, that's not going to be good enough. Like the Browns have a pretty wide variance relative to the other AFCs. Like Wicksburg, for example,


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[Assistant] I think Pittsburgh's probably gonna go 9 and 8. Like, they just kind of find a way. I don't know that they could go 12. No. No. In 5. Unlikely. But I don't think they're going 6 and 11. No. Right, right. The Browns could, like if you told me the Browns go 6 and 11, I wouldn't be completely stunned. And if you told me they went


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[Assistant] You know, gonna go 13 and I have to, like, it's hard to add these games now that it's 17. 13 and 4, I wouldn't be stuck like that either. They probably have the biggest variance of any team in the AFC going into next season. Uh, yeah. Chargers maybe, but again, the Chargers were hurt. That's why they were hurt.


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[Assistant] They only have one lever to pull offensively, and that's, they gotta draft a receiver in the second round and hope he becomes the Schwarz. There it is. I, I thank you for putting this into that. But coming to who? Who they thought Anthony Schwarz was gonna be. Like the guy that can take, they didn't have anybody that can take the top off. But they don't have the resources, cause all the defensive hole is to do anything else offensively. So, the team you saw offensively, that's the team.


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[Assistant] Ideally you'd like to get a number 3 receiver that can play, but they're going to be able to do anything more than what they have.


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[Assistant] Two Pro Bowl guards, a Pro Bowl running back, a pretty legit number one wide receiver. Right. A tight end that I was surprised how well he played this year. He's proven to be worthy of that. But overpaid still.


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[Assistant] It is, and you know, there is, they do scout, it's not just all analytics, but, you know, like Martin Emerson, for example.


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[Assistant] Do you think Stefanski wanted him? Yes. I think, I think Stefanski. I think they all.


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[Assistant] I mean, it was, I thought Baker was done after that Pittsburgh game. And then by the time we got to the combine, everybody was kind of recommitting to it because they didn't have better options. But it definitely felt like whether they move on from Baker now or later, it was coming.


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[Assistant] The browns are unlucky in that they're time, they're window.


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[Assistant] Unbelievable qu- I mean this is the best the AFC's had at quarterback ever. I think in my lifetime. Yea. Like I can't remember a time where there were more talented quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] And, you know, if the Browns were the NFC, think how different everything would look. Oh my god. Yea, yea, yea. You know, and I, and you were talking about the, like a Thunder fan who was going through the same thing in 2016. Right. The Thunder were going to win titles, or at least play the Cavs for them if it weren't for the Warriors. Yes. You know, and then you have this. Right.


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[Assistant] And, and, you know, sometimes the luck, you don't, you gotta have to have some luck swing your way.


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[Assistant] Uh, because it's gonna be tough. I mean, the AFC is not going anywhere. These guys are...


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[Assistant] Not, not on the defensive side. You know, John Johnson talks, but I think it's hard when you're not playing well and being that good. Like they really...


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[Assistant] In an ideal world, you'd want Miles to be that guy, but Miles, you know, in the defense of Miles, when he was drafted by the Browns, like there was nobody showing him how to be that guy. There was nobody who was on the defense that, you know, he was instantly the best player on the team.


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[Assistant] And then you add in that his personality is not to be that type of guy.


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[Assistant] And I couldn't believe how much they missed Anthony Walker on and off the field. Like that injury, when it happened, I was like, oh, you know.


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[Assistant] He's not that great of a player, they'll be fine. They've got other linebackers. And it was a catastrophic injury for them in hindsight because he, Anthony Walker was a guy people listened to, and he was a pretty good player on the field for what they needed.


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[Assistant] To that point, you would understand why they would feel frustrated. I mean, I think, uh,


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[Assistant] There have been times where, like, Petonio has been frustrated, uhm, just by some of the nonsense he's had to deal with over the years, uh, especially in the locker room, but, uhm,


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[Assistant] No, I think, I think everybody's committed to making this work. It's not like, you know, people are trying to bail out, but...


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[Assistant] They got the work cut out for them.


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[Assistant] I think Deshaun Watson does, which is the most important part. He is, he is all in on Stephane. The moment he's not, Kevin's gonna be in trouble.


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[Assistant] Uh, Deshaun Watson and Kevin Stefanski have a pretty good rapport.


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[Assistant] He's gonna be here so, like, I think they'll have, uh, you know, they, I don't know if he's gonna go to the Bahamas again, but I'm sure they'll have some kind of trip. Um, you know, he's gonna get together with Amari and throw, uh, he's gonna be here some, he's got a civil trial coming up in Houston, so he's gonna have that. Uh, so it's gonna be another eventful, uh, off-season it looks like for the Browns.


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[Assistant] Right now, he's suffocating in the back. Mike, I sent you a text, uhm, Cowboys have signed a new kicker, which we knew was coming. Oh yea. I mean, they...


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[Assistant] Just now. I didn't know how long it took for you to transcribe that. The reason I just texted you, it just happened.


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[Assistant] Well, it's on par. Yeah, but one is competitive and chokes at the end. The other just knows on their couch every January.


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[Assistant] Who did that fool'sness? You know what? I'm wondering, is he feeling himself too much? Nah, when you- I'd like my quarterback to be confident.


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[Assistant] This man has meddled so much. He is so in the weeds with this organization. He has so clearly proven that he put his foot into success early on in his years, having the right coaches and then firing the right coaches in Jimmy and Barry.


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[Assistant] And they haven't made it in an NFC championship game since 1995. Guys, we're going on an almost 30 year drought. And there's only 16 teams in the NFC. You think maybe you'd hire a GM?


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[Assistant] Maybe. You would think, you would think he would just say, okay, enough. Who's the widely regarded best minded football? I'm going to pay him three million more than he's making right now.


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[Assistant] I mean also in the first paragraph of his obituary one day will be the fact that he fired Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, and Barry Switzer.


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[Assistant] That goes back a long time. Bernie, people forget, but Bernie did have to come in and play some in their, I think it was their last Super Bowl win.


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[Assistant] We're going to touch on all of it. Busy show today. Chris Rose is going to join us coming up. I also want to send a shout out to G. Bush, who's going to be away from us for a couple of days. He's dealing with a family tragedy.


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[Assistant] Gee, you know we're thinking about you. You know we love you and we're praying for your family and get well. I don't want to go into it. It's probably, I mean, he tweeted about it, so it is public, but go to his Twitter page.


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[Assistant] Please send them your thoughts and prayers. I know a lot of you have already done that and we send our thoughts and prayers to your family during this time of despair and need.


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[Assistant] Well, we're there because I want to start today by asking a question that really you can come at a lot of different angles because on one hand,


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[Assistant] With Kansas City now, the bar and the AFC.


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[Assistant] And the Browns who have, you know, missed the playoffs and lost double digits the last two years.


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[Assistant] I'm just wondering as we're sitting here, I know it feels like the gap is a mile wide, but I'm just wondering...


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[Assistant] If we get this coordinator position right, which it feels like we have, we've seen what a good coordinator can do with


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[Assistant] Mildly above average talent. They're not dripping with superstar talent over there.


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[Assistant] I wasn't going to watch it because I realized that Buffalo was outmatched and I just really don't have much interest in watching an AFC Northern celebrate another victory. But I will say in reading a lot of the post game clips, I don't know, maybe, maybe you want your team to have that edge, but I prefer my team humble.


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[Assistant] And under know how to win. And the fact that they got all bent out of shape over the fact that the bills had a link up that was selling. You had to do that. The NFL provided that.


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[Assistant] I understand that, but you also have to understand the business of the NFL. The NFL had that link available and had to make tickets available. Yeah, it wasn't sitting there going. I'm not and the way that now I know the Bengals took it that way, but you know, you got to understand how the league


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[Assistant] I know our team didn't have that. We wanted them to have some kind of swagger. I just wonder if this doesn't borderline where it goes from confident


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[Assistant] But you know what, like, do you really want to do that after a divisional playoff win? You unwrap the cigar when you hold the trophy.


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[Assistant] It's smoking that cigar. If the chiefs are in Kansas City looking for a slight, they can watch that video and say, oh, these guys feel like they're being


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[Assistant] Uhm, it certainly didn't look great. How much pressure though, Jay?


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[Assistant] Is on this current group of Browns management watching the team that used to share the, the seller spot in the division with Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Even though they've had success and have gone to a couple of Super Bowls, they haven't won one. But Cincinnati was kind of their cousin in the AFC North. Yeah, we're down here at the bottom, Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Now their cousin is atop of everybody.


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[Assistant] How, does that put more pressure on the Browns? That it's not the Steelers or the Ravens now. It's the only other team in the division other than them.


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[Assistant] Well, the time to do that is clearly the off season. That's when you can do that. And the spotlight is glaring on it. The Bengals are sitting in a potentially dynastic spot right now.


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[Assistant] In fact, if they win Sunday, you could start, you can say that the foundation is there for a dynasty in Cincinnati. Now the big question moving forward with the Bengals, and particularly with this organization, this is a big question.


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[Assistant] No they don't. Right, and we've seen that historically through the Bengals existence.


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[Assistant] The Brown family has been notoriously cheap. Now, I don't think there's a decision to be made at all on the quarterback. I mean, you just cannot let a player of his generational talent get away. So you have to sign him. Chase is going to command top dollar.


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[Assistant] You're in real trouble when it comes to the salary cap. And we've seen in the past when teams have that quarterback on the rookie contract, it allows them flexibility with more money to spread across the table.


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[Assistant] Thumbnail reaction to the favorites in the AFC and NFC right now after watching what we saw yesterday.


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[Assistant] I'll give you a chance to change your Super Bowl picks for a minute. Who do you like now?


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[Assistant] But I think, you know, the equalizer might be Mahomes if he's not co- And by the way, hats off to Chad Henney.


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[Assistant] has the longest playoff drive in Chiefs history. He came in in a spot. I mean two yard line and you know from what's going on on the sidelines that Mahomes is going to the locker room and it's going to be a minute and he probably won't be back. And I think their season


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[Assistant] That backup quarterback, and I'm gonna make a point coming out of this and we'll see what you guys think and whether or not it's likely to happen. Oftentimes,


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[Assistant] The most important player on your roster is your backup quarterback. Because we know the way the league is set up. You're gonna need him at some point in time. We were talking about Bernie Kozair in 95.


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[Assistant] Came off the bench to relieve Troy Aikman and help get the Cowboys to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Plays just well enough to win. Where I'm going with all of this is we saw out of Jacoby Brissette enough to know that this guy is, has value.


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[Assistant] Now I know that he's probably going to receive some good offers on the free agent market, but after watching Chad Henney do his deal, it just struck me more than ever


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[Assistant] I hope the Browns bring Brissette back. I don't think it's gonna happen, but whatever extra couple of million that it would cost, what good does it, what good is it if you've got this Mercedes Benz and the engine drops out and you don't have a solid replacement


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[Assistant] I know it's, I know they've got a lot of needs, and I understand that, but I hope there's at least conversations. I don't know what the market's gonna be. You're probably right. It could be in the 6 to 8 to 10 million dollar range. Particularly, you know, Indy doesn't, there's a lot of teams that don't have quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] I saw enough out of Jacoby Brissette in the 11 games that he started.


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[Assistant] Well, they're not going to answer anything directly. I mean, we know that from watching these guys operate.


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[Assistant] Cause I watched, I watched back the season ender and I thought, my god, these guys are artful Dodgers. They just know how not to answer questions. So we really don't know where they stand on that. I mean, everybody knows what the needs are.


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[Assistant] Did you see Jim Donovan's rant a couple weeks ago? I saw it. It was great. It was awesome.


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[Assistant] And you know what? A lot of people, I put it on my Twitter feed, most everybody was seconding exactly what Jimmy said. He got it right, Jimmy gets us, Jimmy Haslam does not.


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[Assistant] There was a lot of defense of the Haslums, which I was kind of shocked at, or just the front office. It's like, why do we need to know? What difference does it make what we know? Listen.


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[Assistant] We don't need to know. But that's not the case. The fact of the matter is, we're on regime number 10,000. We don't know who does what in the front office. We don't know what Deepadesta's role is. We know he doesn't live here. How invested in this whole thing can he be?


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[Assistant] But Jay, the difference is all organizations aren't mired in a 30 year losing streak. So obviously with losing comes questions.


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[Assistant] He wants 11 skill players on the field. That's 11 fast, hard to tackle players. I don't know what he's got up his sleeve here, but they've worked on this, and I'd be very nervous if I was San Francisco.


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[Assistant] So good. But I think to me, the passing grade has to go. And I know his numbers weren't gaudy, but again, Purdy does enough to win.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's coming through. No, we haven't had to see that yet. And we may find out. I know this.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, he was okay. Right. I, I thought the, the, the catch, uh, by Kittle.


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[Assistant] First of all, it was a ballsy throw. It should have been a pick. You're right. It should have been a pick. Kittle saved his bacon. Yeah. Uhm, but you know, so many times throughout this eight game stretch or whatever it's been, he's made these onion throws where I'm like, wow.


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[Assistant] And that, that I think is coming from being empowered by Kyle Shanahan, who's this quarterback whisperer who someway somehow, and I think Stefanski's probably kind of a poor man's version of that, when you look at what he got out of Baker, what he got out of Brissette.


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[Assistant] He's still here. He's one of four. And I couldn't help but ask myself this question, and I know we've talked about it ad nauseam. Chris Rose is coming on the program. It'll be one of the questions we pose to him. It's on this whole


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[Assistant] How confident you are that eventually, eventually Deshaun Watson is going to be that guy again. And we posted on Twitter our discussion of this topic last week. We posted it on yesterday.


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[Assistant] And one of the responses was very interesting that I happened to see.


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[Assistant] Because we know that he didn't have that. And everybody said, well, he didn't have any talent. Didn't have any talent.


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[Assistant] Well apparently you do, but my question is, in that MVP caliber year where his team only won four games, I think it's fair to ask the question, return to what he was in Houston.


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[Assistant] You had a guy in Philadelphia that was doing the same thing and is roughly the same age who is fighting for his NFL life today. So, I mean, we've seen


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[Assistant] The rise and fall of these quarterbacks over the last decade is real.


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[Assistant] And so here's what, a friend of mine texted me when we were watching Kansas City on Saturday. A friend of mine texted me and said,


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[Assistant] My eyes tell me in watching the homes, that's the kind of guy you give a $230 million guaranteed contract to.


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[Assistant] Mahomes is going to play in his fifth consecutive AFC Championship game, and he's less paid.


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[Assistant] To a deep dive into the Belichick coaching tree. When you look at the coaches that have left New England.


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[Assistant] To get good head coaching job and have flamed out time and time and time again and often times end up going back


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[Assistant] Eric Mangini. Mangini was another one. It's amazing to me.


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[Assistant] And it really, to me, it speaks, I watched the Nolan Ryan documentary over the weekend, which is fabulous. I strongly recommend it to any baseball fans.


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[Assistant] If you've forgotten how dominant he was, it reminds me of this. When you think about Ryan, as this is the argument I used to make, is he is the greatest power pitcher of all time. Period. End of discussion. I've got stats for years that would back that up.


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[Assistant] But one of them is, he not only has the most no hitters, seven.


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[Assistant] Which is three more than anybody else. He's got the most one hitters, the most two hitters, and the most three hitters.


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[Assistant] In the history of Major League Baseball and has the, this is the cherry on top, he has the lowest batting average against in the history of Major League Baseball for any pitcher.


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[Assistant] He also has the longest career ever. 27 years.


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[Assistant] That separates Nolan Ryan from all the other power pitchers. Like this coaching tree argument separates Bill.


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[Assistant] Every other coach. It was all Bill. And they, they thrived and flourished under his tutelage. And the second they left the nest, they flopped miserably, even taking with them what they had learned from Bill.


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[Assistant] And so it's, it's, we have to take that into account too. He's still learning how to handle the game.


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[Assistant] Let's bring in Chris Rose. Uh, Chris, welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Great to see you again. Uh, your thumbnail reaction from the playoff games over the weekend and our final four now.


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[Assistant] Oh, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit, Chris. Thanks. It's okay.


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[Assistant] That is absolutely awful. Hey, what do you think of Jim Schwartz? Is he the, is he the guy?


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[Assistant] He had teams that fans in Philadelphia felt should be playing for the Super Bowl more often than they did.


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[Assistant] And it was, you could feel it coming. It's like, it's almost the spoiling of a fanbase.


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[Assistant] We know nothing about that, but you know, it did happen in Philly. And to a certain extent, I have cheese, I have friends that are cheese fans that are saying exactly what you're saying. Uh, okay, we're good. We want to be the best. We, well, it's tough. There's a lot of other teams that are in that conversation. And now with these young quarterbacks in the AFC.


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[Assistant] I want you to break yours out on a scale of zero to ten. Zero, you're not concerned at all that he's gonna return to what he was in Houston. Ten.


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[Assistant] You're very concerned and you don't think he'll ever make it back. Where are you? Where's your concern level on the likelihood that he returns to what he once was?


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[Assistant] A couple of fluky plays here and there. But you know, I hate to even use that excuse because every team can use the if game. But with the Browns this year, it really was jarring.


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[Assistant] There's the conventional way of doing it, which you can't throw the ball 75 yards, so you're gonna, you're thinking you're gonna, you're gonna have a series of laterals and you're gonna take your, take your chances. That was one way of doing it, but I'm pretty sure that we'll


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[Assistant] It wouldn't have been, it wouldn't have been a mind blow if they had. I mean, particularly when you're looking at a rookie quarterback, I think everybody thought this game would be close. In the end, it was close. It was a one score game. It was close.


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[Assistant] Not that it would ever happen, it can't happen, but would you right now, if you're the Browns, would you take Dak Prescott and give up to Shawn Watson? Right now?


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[Assistant] Uh, resolution at least for the next season. Chris, always good to catch up with you. Enjoy the championship weekend next weekend. I hope it was a hell of a lot better than divisional weekend because


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[Assistant] After the, uh, Super Wild Card weekend, uh, this past weekend was a bit of a disappointment, but we'll see. NFL is always known for bouncing back. Chris, always good, man. Take care.


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[Assistant] Cleveland native, Browns fan, NFL network's own, Chris Rose with great analysis, not just on the Browns, but all things NFL.


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[Assistant] I don't know, you guys quickly dismissed it out of hand. Chris said that he would still stick with Deshaun. My concern...


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[Assistant] And, you know, I mentioned last week the RG3 tweet, where he said, this is what happens when you play with a damaged, uh, MCL. I know, at the end of my career, here's the picture from it, pretty gruesome.


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[Assistant] It would break. Every network would melt down.


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[Assistant] This fella shoulda had a star on his helmet from Jump. You could almost hear it.


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[Assistant] The change of scenery could benefit both.


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[Assistant] Well, you know what was really, if you had forgotten how sickening their loss was last year,


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[Assistant] You were reminded of it this weekend when they kept showing.


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[Assistant] The exact same thing happened. Last year it was a terrible mental mistake. Dak decided to run the ball in the middle of it.


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[Assistant] To get, to get it close and they never got the snap off.


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[Assistant] And it's almost like groundhog day when Bill Murray hit the alarm clock. Here you are fast forward through it, you know, 364 days and a whole season.


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[Assistant] You're back here again. You've got it in your hands. You have a chance to make it right. And you don't. And that's frustrating. We saw the Cowboy fan.


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[Assistant] Who's buying a new television this morning. You know, I imagine there were a lot of TVs that were broken in the Dallas Fort Worth area while that game was playing out.


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[Assistant] Very fair question. And what it struck home, Bull has been saying this for a very long time. I don't have the number in front of me because it's on our text tweet. It was about 10,000 tweets ago.


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[Assistant] It's even better now, give me one sec. So it was 40 rushes, 74 yards.


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[Assistant] And so this is an apple and apple comparison because you've got a guy in there that's also getting a lot of work. And Pollard's running crazy over


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[Assistant] How much does it change things in Baltimore that, and I, I, Chris talked on it. Dax, much more hesitant to run.


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[Assistant] Post injury than he was pre-injury and let's face it, it's the mix of those skills that make Dak Dak. And it's the mix of those skills that make Lamar Lamar. And when one of those erodes, or you're not gonna use it for fear of injury,


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[Assistant] But sometimes you hit the reset button and next year you come out and you're 7-11 and then you got a fan base 7-10 and you got a fan base saying, why the hell did you blow it up?


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[Assistant] What's ironic about that is the last head coach we had that had any real playoff success here was Marty Schottenheimer.


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[Assistant] Because he refused to hire an offensive coordinator. He refused to give up play calling.


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[Assistant] You're gonna hire somebody that's gonna handle that. And Marty said, no I'm not. And Marty was gone.


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[Assistant] And they never found one as good. They never found a head coach as good. I mean Belichick was here for a span but never had that kind of success. Went on to have great success. But it is interesting that in the annals of Brown's history, the last time we had


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[Assistant] A real live NFL head coach that, that put fear into the other team. His tenure here ended over Clay Cohen.


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[Assistant] Against the Saints, that wins that game. Now you're at nine and eight, which by the way was the cutoff.


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[Assistant] So I mean, that's why when you try to figure out how much space is between the Bengals and the Browns,


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[Assistant] We were seven and ten, were four plays from being eleven and six, and


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[Assistant] We match up well against the Bengals. I don't know why. I don't, you know what?


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[Assistant] I think that for divisional games we've held our own the last three


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[Assistant] When the Chiefs play Cincinnati on Sunday, they're going to have played them.


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[Assistant] They beat them this year, so they'll have four games. If the Bengals go to the Super Bowl, the Chiefs against the Bengals are going to be 0-4 and the Browns against the Bengals are going to be 3-1.


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[Assistant] Kevin has uber focus in these divisional games, which are so critical to a team's success. But if you go 3 and 3 against a division that collectively won 38 games,


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[Assistant] That means that on average, these teams won nine and a half games.


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[Assistant] You're going three and three against your division?


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[Assistant] Why the hell, Kate, you go 500 or better against the rest of the league, which isn't as good as Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Baltimore.


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[Assistant] It's a focus, it's just, we're so close, it's frustrating, it's maddening how close this team is.


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[Assistant] No, because it's two years in a row of underperforming and it's culture and I had a conversation a couple of weeks ago with a guy who's


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[Assistant] Played in the NFL, now he works in the media, and he said, and I had made the point that, why is it that the Browns always seem to lose those games? This is, well the answer is right in front of you. Because they always lose those games. Why is it that Tom Brady always wins those games?


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[Assistant] In those close and late games, you're pre-programmed to do the things that get you over the hump. And the Browns culture is, we don't know what's gonna happen, but something's gonna happen. You gotta figure out a way to kick down the door.


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[Assistant] And I thought we did when we made the playoff. I thought okay, now the boat is turning away from the iceberg. And now it's like we're headed right back to the iceberg and we're real close to it.


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[Assistant] So I've got a real concern. I think Cincinnati should be favored by a touchdown. I don't know. What's, what's the line? They're getting favored by one and a half. One and a half. Load up on that.


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[Assistant] I didn't feel good. Look at this video, this is so good.


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[Assistant] Because had they left two out a week or two to fully recover and not suffer that second concussion, which was devastating, and we saw the effects of that, maybe at the end of the year, he's able to play. And by the way, the coaching job of the postseason, even though it was in one game and in a defeat, may offend McDaniel in that loss.


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[Assistant] Cause if they're, if they're, if they're thinking about, not that they're gonna blow up what's going on in Buffalo, and they had the misfortune of, they went out and said, what, what piece is missing from this puzzle? Well, Von Miller.


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[Assistant] They got him, and he got hurt. Von Miller makes a difference in that game yesterday. I'm not saying that he makes such a difference that they win.


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[Assistant] But it changes the entire complexion of that game because they're able to get pressure where they were otherwise unable to do it.


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[Assistant] Is the question that I think some will start to ask. But guys.


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[Assistant] Here's the problem, and this is what we failed to even grasp here, which is why I'm so concerned that this isn't going to end in a Super Bowl for the Browns. This AFC is as stiff


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[Assistant] How many Super Bowl rings does he get? He's got to compete with Manning and Brady every single year. I think what's in the AFC right now, quarterback wise, is better than what we had for the 15 year stretch or whatever it was, 12 year stretch, where we had Manning, Brady and Roethlisberger in the AFC.


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[Assistant] But you know, Mahomes' trajectory, God, we don't know what it is. I mean, when we watch him, he looks, he does things that no one else has ever done.


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[Assistant] These no look passes, these jump passes, these run up to the line of scrimmage, get the defense to collapse, and then, you know.


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[Assistant] It's incredible what this guy can do. What's missing in Kansas City?


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[Assistant] I think that's it too. They spent so much capital on the offense.


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[Assistant] I know he is. And he showed a top gear in that run down the sideline. He showed a top gear that, and they said he ran 4-2-9 at the combine. Like, I think it's more the defense that's missing.


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[Assistant] They may have tried to roll with Baker. You know how in baseball at the trade deadline, oftentimes the guardians are asking this question. Is it winnable?


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[Assistant] Are we one player away? If we are, let's make the move. Andrew Miller trade. Andrew Miller. Other years, they inexplicably stood silent.


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[Assistant] Last year was an example. I think they probably were looking at the Yankees who were in it.


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[Assistant] We're outplaying ourselves. We're not a player away. Why would we make that all in desperation move when in all likelihood, it ain't gonna happen this year. And as close as they came to making it to the ALCS, let's face it, Houston would have destroyed the Guardians. So I, I wonder,


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[Assistant] On one hand, yes, we gotta do something. Everybody around us has these generational quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] But was this the move to make at this time?


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[Assistant] Jay, under normal circumstances, I would have been okay with that.


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[Assistant] And here would be normal circumstances. Deshaun didn't have 24 women accusing him.


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[Assistant] He hadn't been out of football for a year, what ended up being almost two years. If he was coming off that MVP caliber season the year before,


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[Assistant] I think then that move would have made perfect sense.


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[Assistant] But because of all the extraneous stuff.


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[Assistant] I just think it gives you more reason to pause and to look back now and say,


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[Assistant] It goes to show you, love plays a huge part in this too. When, you know, all the years that the Browns had the number one overall pick. A guy like Joe Burrow wasn't sitting there.


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[Assistant] The one year the Bengals get it, there's Joe Burrow, fresh for the taking on Ohio kid.


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[Assistant] Steve, Steve, let me tell you something. Since you've become the head honcho at the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show,


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[Assistant] Your Phillies, damn near, you know, your Phillies made some noise, okay? They made it to the World Series and they made some noise when they got there.


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[Assistant] Now the Eagles are pushing to make it to a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] It's, UCSS has been very good for Steve Becker, who by the way just texted us.


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[Assistant] And I will get more news as the week goes on as to the home's availability. Whether or not it's reliable, as we just showed you in that video, I don't know. But I'll say this, if he is the guy that he was in the second half, and you know how ankles can linger, they have zero chance.


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[Assistant] You knew that some of these contracts were aging out. Some of these guys were gonna be gone. It didn't work out. And the next thing you know, he's out. Jim Schwartz is out.


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[Assistant] And now Schwartz is the DC here. Peterson, to me?


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[Assistant] Looks like an offensive genius that can mentally handle an otherwise fragile quarterback. I think there's some fragility to Trevor Lawrence. I'd be a little nervous moving forward with him. Just the juxtaposition of his first half and second half, that's kind of what I'm thinking his career can be. He can be boom or bust.


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[Assistant] You just don't know which guy you're gonna get, but I think with Doug Peterson pushing the buttons behind the scene...


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[Assistant] He's in a great spot. Peterson or Stefanski right now to lead the Browns. Who would you take? Oh, Peterson. No doubt. I would. Yep. No doubt.


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[Assistant] The calves this weekend reminded me of Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] a week ago. They lose to the JV Warriors. I was, I gotta tell you, I'm so glad I didn't bet. I was going to bet


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[Assistant] Healthy four figures. Healthy. Healthy four figures that the Cavs win.


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[Assistant] They, Golden State sat everybody. But you know what? In retrospect, what a stroke of genius by Steve Kerr.


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[Assistant] They go overtime in a tough loss to Boston. They get in at three o'clock in the morning. Well yeah, the smart play is to rest all the guys that did all that heavy lifting and let fresh legs who want to show what they can do, get a chance against a team playing without its superstar.


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[Assistant] Why haven't they beaten Golden State since 2017? 16. 16. No, I thought they won a game in 17.


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[Assistant] Why don't they on certain nights just say, everything's running through Mowgli time?


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[Assistant] As I'm watching him do this against a Yanis, you know, obviously Yanis is watching the game too.


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[Assistant] He's not gonna have 38-9 against Milwaukee if Giannis is in there.


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[Assistant] What was, the question I was asking myself as I'm watching him go for 38 points is, gosh, if he can do that.


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[Assistant] On a night, see it's, okay, he did that because there was no Mitchell. But now imagine if Mitchell was on the floor and the defense


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[Assistant] The attention that the defense is gonna have to pay Mitchell.


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[Assistant] It seems to me like they would waste a couple of nights a year and say tonight we're running things through.


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[Assistant] Over under that he, uh, you know, we did a fence rider question. Will he average 15 points a game? What's his average now? 15.1. 15.1. Okay, one big night. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And that's the kind of thing that we know he can do. What I would like to do is pick the random game. You're playing the Suns. I don't care, but just pick a team. Tonight?


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[Assistant] We're gonna go through Mobley, and we're gonna see what we can do on a night where we decide to get him involved early, middle,


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's always gonna bail him out. And that's fine. But I, I would, I think this question of stunting a player's growth, I don't think it has to be that way. I think, you know, there are enough teams on this schedule that you can look at and say the cats are going to win this game tonight.


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[Assistant] The upside here though is also intoxicating. You said what Garland and Mitchell can do is intoxicating. It absolutely is. But when I look at what the possible upside is of a guy like Mobley, that's more intoxicating to me.


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[Assistant] Right. Let me ask you a question. How old were you when you came in the league? 22?


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[Assistant] As a 22-year-old young rookie, just wide-eyed and, you know, to the player you were, mentality, skill set at 26. Let's give it four years. What kind of growth did you experience in those four years?


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[Assistant] His career went in a different way. Kevin was it in Minnesota. I mean, he was a point


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[Assistant] He had points, rebounds, he did it all. You looked at his box scorers and you're like, this guy's one of the best players in the league. Well, then he came to Cleveland and his role was changed dramatically.


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[Assistant] Yes, and he figured it out. So Kevin should be the guy that tutors him and tells him, this is what we need from you. This is what you have to become.


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[Assistant] They're gonna have to rel- they're gonna have to put more assets on him if they realize that he's an option and they're gonna go to him.


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[Assistant] So I was probably as frustrated as I had been all season about the Cavaliers on Friday night. I was super frustrated and I was starting to ask myself, are we seeing, and I talked about this last week, my fear is we're starting to see little signs that we're going to go into this second half dive like we did last year.


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[Assistant] They're five and five in their last ten games. They're very average. They're losing the teams they should be. Now granted, they did lose a tough one at Memphis to a good team.


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[Assistant] After seeing him do what he did Saturday night, I was re-energized to say


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[Assistant] If we get more of that in the second half of the season and he becomes a legitimate third option, this team has a very high season.


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[Assistant] So there was oxygen to be had and he took it. Exactly. Hey Mike, uhm, I know you want to talk a little bit about the Guardians. I'll, I'll foretake my final take. How did that go, the guard fest? There's a story there, isn't there?


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[Assistant] Plus it's a Mike Polk show. Who doesn't want to see Mike Polk? That's right. But I, I also, as much as I want to see Mike, and I've seen Mike before and he's great, I...


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[Assistant] My anticipation of your show and Anthony's is great. Is this a circle of trust? Yes.


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[Assistant] He's burrow, he's burrow. So if I asked you how long is your window as a comedian, you would say as long as I'm doing this.


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[Assistant] You have many, many terrific qualities, but my favorite is just how damn transparent you are. I'm cocky! Are you worried? Yea, kind of.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're done with our Monday Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Overtime is coming up next for the members. We'll see you tomorrow. Uh, hopefully Wednesday we'll have Gee and Bull back in the fold.


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[Assistant] You Americans seem to be driving on, shall we say, the wrong side of the road. Are you on vacation? Ah, Mark J. Lovegrove. My favorite. Ah, there's one thing I like in my puzzle games. It's about 10 frames per second. Well, here we are at Scrap Palace. I'm gonna be your host.


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[Assistant] Is this my first time in the maze? Yes, I...


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[Assistant] Ah, that old American phrase, slow coach. Hold on, your dad's being a slow coach back here. Penny, no, no, come back. Penny, I'm trying to catch up to you. Oh, so badly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Penny, you stay here and you do you and the rest of us normal people are just gonna, you know, go back to real life. Still happening. I- I-


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[Assistant] Noooo! My death! Sunset Realm. Designed to look like a medieval castle, but we got news for you. It's just a maze.


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[Assistant] Because I kicked it. Oh, look at this, it's one of those stacks of, uh, stones that people put on hikes. Oh, a thought stone. Well, let's touch it. Kicking, touching, it's what we do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you again. Hi. Where you going? Yes, sprint away. Wait here, I'm gonna kick this real quick. Okay, I kicked the thing. No, come here. Where you going? I must follow.


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[Assistant] Hey, Hippie! Whoa, whoa, a little too close, guys.


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[Assistant] It's a robot. Alright, move. Move. Move. Can you help, please? I'm pretty sure this person's dead. Wooden plank. Now we're talking. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Really, dude?


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[Assistant] And tie it in with the suit. So that's a surprise. That's a surprise for Sunday. And, uh, but.


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[Assistant] It's rare that I don't wear a suit, but it's raining here in Philadelphia.


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[Assistant] And that's a little bit of an issue and I've just...


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[Assistant] I stepped out of practice because the Eagles are getting ready.


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[Assistant] Uh, today for their game on Saturday in which they will beat the Giants. Uh, so.


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[Assistant] So I'm getting ready for all that. Did I hear a yeaah? Did I hear just a yeaah?


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[Assistant] And I didn't see the news conference, but just from what you said, uh, he usually has a lot of anecdotes


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[Assistant] He throws in a few stories, uh, he's, uh, he's that kind of guy and he's fun to listen to at news conferences. Now, he better be fun on the football field, uh, because I'm rooting for Kevin Stefanski.


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[Assistant] I really like Kevin. I've known Kevin since high school, believe it or not. Wow. So, uh, yeah, well, cause his dad was the general manager at one time of the 76ers. So I met him.


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[Assistant] But he's got to have the personnel to do it too. But I like, I like Jim and I like what he could, uh, what he should bring to the Browns defense, which if that's the case, it's going to make them a better team.


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[Assistant] It's hard for in today's world, because you don't want players to quit on you.


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[Assistant] So, it's really kinda different. You can't, you can't just, you gotta jump on em, but you gotta be real selective when you do that. You really gotta be selective when you do that. And, and that's what, you know, he'll get, he'll get into em. I mean, Jim's a tough guy, but,


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[Assistant] Ultimately, the player knows what he has to do and Jim tries to tell him and they gotta buy in to what he wants to do. And if they buy in, uh, he will be able to


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[Assistant] Coach them up to be, uh, a better defensive team. Myles Garrett should be a good player. I don't care who he plays for.


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[Assistant] You gotta get the other guys to play well, and you gotta get pressure from the other guys. You gotta have four down linemen. I'm trying to remember, the defensive coordinator the Eagles have now, Jonathan Gannon, doesn't like to blitz a lot, and he can get pressure from his four down linemen.


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[Assistant] So people, the fans want, oh you gotta blitz, you gotta blitz, you gotta blitz. No, you don't have to blitz if you can get pressure other ways and put more people in coverage. And that's, that's really what it comes down to. You want turnovers. And pressure creates turnovers.


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[Assistant] But it puts less people out in the secondary and in coverage, whether it's a linebacker or a defensive back, puts less people out there, uh, to get the turnovers. But you want to get the pressure from the down four. And I remember correctly, I think Jim tries to do that a lot.


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[Assistant] I think in Jim's case it's a combination. He didn't always have the best players. The Eagles have probably the best group.


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[Assistant] And depthwise of defensive linemen now than they've ever had.


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[Assistant] Uh, that I can, well I shouldn't say yeaah, maybe in a long time, even the Super Bowl year of 2017. But,


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[Assistant] The reality is you can coach them up. They gotta listen to them. If they listen to them, I think they'll be fine. Uh, and no, and the Browns will be better. They better be better because I don't want to see Kevin Stefanski lose his job. So it really, and the quarterback's gotta be better. So it's not just defense, but I think Jim will help.


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[Assistant] In that regard, uh, to, and I don't know if, and the good thing is, I don't know if Jim wants to be a head coach again. I'm not sure of that. When he was here with the Eagles.


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[Assistant] He kinda, there was a point, I think he wanted to be the head coach. And at times, I don't know if that was a comfortable situation for Doug Peterson. But I don't know that that really is his vision anymore. But we'll do a good job. And I think the Browns will be, if they're not better defensively, uhm, I'll buy everybody a cheesesteak.


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[Assistant] Well, I like genos actually. Uh, but, uh, Adam, it doesn't look like you need a cheesesteak because although I think you've since the last time I saw you, you've lost about three ounces. So that's pretty good.


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[Assistant] Because they play at home, I think they have a good chance to beat San- San Francisco could be tough. Uh, that defense really is what wins them games and gives them field positioning. Purdy's done a nice job. I think they have a chance to get to the Super Bowl. City or Buffalo, uh, are better.


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[Assistant] But that doesn't mean the best team, the Eagles, were the underdogs, uh, in the Super Bowl against Fritz and Bill Belichick. So, uh, and they won that game, too. You noted that little reference there, huh?