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[Assistant] Overview and look at all the research that's being done around the world in paleontology that has changed so much over the past decades. It's not, you know, necessarily what we're used to and what most people are used to seeing. There's a lot more.


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[Assistant] technical work that goes on these days, and to quote Michael Greschko, who wrote the, wrote the cover story, as he says, medical scanners, particle accelerators, and chemical analyses are letting researchers virtually separate rock from bone and see fossils' tiniest hidden features. So that's what, yeaah, that's a great way to describe what these three women do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, my name is Shayna Montaneri. I'm gonna be the moderator of this panel today. I am a paleontologist. I got my PhD at the American Museum of Natural History, which is where I am.


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[Assistant] Now is from my background. I'm not, I'm not actually there. I'm in Phoenix, Arizona right now. Uh, I did my PhD there and I did some paleontological research for about 10.


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[Assistant] And it's great because I still get to talk to my old friends and colleagues and talk to them about paleontology.


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[Assistant] I will do a little run through of who we have here today to talk to, uhm, and if anyone watching has questions, uhm, you can feel free to ask them and I will get some of those towards the end of the chat probably, so I'll, I'll, if there's anything I haven't asked, uh, you can, you can ask it.


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[Assistant] So I'll start off with, uh, Yazina Vaiman. She is a molecular paleontologist who researches the chemistry of fossilization. And right now she is in Connecticut because she is a PhD candidate at Yale University and looking to finish up her degree soon.


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[Assistant] She is a National Geographic explorer. Uh, she is from Mongolia and the list of accolades for Dr. Minjin goes on and on. I cannot possibly get through all of them.


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[Assistant] She famously helped stop the sale of a Mongolian dinosaur in 2012 that had left the country illegally via a smuggler. She is the founder of the Institute for the Study of Mongolian Dinosaurs.


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[Assistant] And we also have Dr. Anjali Goswami. She is now a research leader in life sciences at the Natural History Museum in London and she's an honorary professor at the University College of London. She studies the evolution and development of vertebrates using very interesting techniques, uh, such as 3D imaging. So,


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[Assistant] I, you, the ideas that you've dreamed up about how to look at extinct animals change throughout your career. Uhm, I've noticed that from when I started, you know, 15 years ago,


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[Assistant] For, for all of you, uhm, I guess we can start with Anjali. Great.


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[Assistant] You've had a great career, I'm sure a lot, you have a lot to say about this.


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[Assistant] Start with, uh, yes, Mina, your, your research jumps out to me as something that, you know,


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[Assistant] Beyond what people thought was possible and, you know, try to and make and make possible.


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[Assistant] Work as a team a lot more than maybe some paleontologists, you know, of days of yore.


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[Assistant] I included it in my dissertation, uhm, and I was like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, for people who don't know, you generally have to use those. You have to crush up the fossils so they can be analyzed, which is, which is what I was doing. So I was trying not to use any.


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[Assistant] Nice fossils for that, but as you're saying, you can do it in situ, you can use the actual bone. So you, you have the ability to analyze, um, really famous specimens and not damage them, right?


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[Assistant] That's great, yeaah. We've all worked in the same circles for a long time, so it's fun. It's fun to hear that all these years later what, but what comes of it, even though I'm not, you're way beyond me now, I don't understand. You're doing a great job.


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[Assistant] Data sets, otherwise, you know, it was just traveling around from museum to museum coding.


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[Assistant] This will segue into a question that someone asked from the group of what inspired you to get into paleontology in general. People want to know how you even get started on this sort of road, but.


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[Assistant] And just, I wanted to ask, Blorks, you mentioned it earlier, you know, part of what you're doing now as reimagining dinosaurs is that you're reimagining the way that we understand it culturally and you're trying to bring back


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[Assistant] Institute for the Study of Mongolian Dinosaurs. So I would just love to hear more about that and what you're up to with that these days and hopefully the pandemic hasn't derailed you too much.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so actually we have a couple more questions from the audience and one is from Michael Greschko himself. Uhm, he has a question for all three of you or whoever would like to answer this first, so.


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[Assistant] We talked about some new methods that you use to like your fossils. Uhm, this is sort of a technical question, but


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[Assistant] Contaminating something that Yasmina would want, or maybe, you know,


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[Assistant] Not collecting the boss appropriately, that's good for 3D imaging or CT scanning or something like that, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, are there new things that paleontologists need to keep in mind when they're out in the field collecting specimens to make it useful for all these?


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[Assistant] You know, new advanced techniques that you all are using.


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[Assistant] That is a little, you know, just kind of like to back up a little bit. It's just how do we even know where to go look for, for fossils? And has that, I mean, has that changed at all? I know, you know, there's probably some new ways that we use to identify, uh, potential dig sites, um, in places to go look for fossils that aren't already in collection.


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[Assistant] Knowing where people may have found something and just getting, you know, doing your investigative skills on the ground to see who's seen what where and trying to check those places out. And it's a good point. I guess maybe shifting more to thinking of new places to look or places that haven't been explored and


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[Assistant] Some new fossils that can knock your socks off in, you know, in South India. That's, that's really awesome.


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[Assistant] I just wanted to wrap up, uhm, I have a couple questions, but let's see, I'll see if I can fit them both in, but this one could be good to end on in case we run out of time.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I know a, a lot of people hear about paleontology and go, wow, I wish I, I wish I could do that as a career. And you can. So, I think, uhm, now, especially with, as methods of analyzing fossils have changed and the field has changed, that there's new ways that people can get into paleontology and new roots. I mean, as Mina mentioned, doing chemistry is one way. Uhm, you know, some people,


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[Assistant] For women who are looking to enter the field of paleontology can, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, in Antarctica, Mongolia, China, wherever, but now most people are home. So it's a good, it's a good time. And yeah, I definitely echo that advice is like get some actual experience, um, and see what it's actually like. Cause a lot of things sound fun.


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[Assistant] Can accept people from a lot of backgrounds, like you said, math, chemistry, biology, physics, uh, developmental biology. So all of these different fields are welcome, um, ecology.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's not research, like Laura does, you know, doing these outreach and starting museums and non-profit work, and I'm a journalist, which is, you know, it's nice, I mean, not specifically paleontology, but just knowing about science helps you being a journalist, so.


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[Assistant] I think with only a couple of minutes left, I won't ask another question because I'll probably go over time.


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[Assistant] But hearing from everyone today was so inspiring and you're all so amazing and role models of mine and my career and still continue to be.


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[Assistant] Get together today and do this and have everyone ask questions.


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[Assistant] By doing our own stalking, and I am gonna pull into this parking lot and call 911, and she's about to get her ass arrested! Because we f***ing found her!


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[Assistant] Good morning. We are the morning finger family.


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[Assistant] Well, nah, 20 years just make it sound like a super long time. Has it been 20 years already? It's gotta be. You probably, well...


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[Assistant] I've been doing it for 20 years, but I wasn't introduced to the game. People didn't really know me until about 2004, 2005, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, pops in the military, man. You know, my dad was in the army, so we moved around, like, really my whole life. So, I was born in Germany, Frankfurt, Germany, but I don't remember nothing about it.


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[Assistant] I was like a, I was still a baby, I think. Like we was only there, I think my dad said we was only there for like another eight months, you know, after I was born.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, we moved from, we moved from Germany. Then we, we, uh, we went to Columbus, Georgia for a while. We went to Mississippi, Grenada, Mississippi, Jackson, Mississippi. Then we moved to San Diego, California. Then we moved to the Bay.


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[Assistant] Man, I was, I, I hated it and I loved it. I hated moving from all the friends I made. But then I, it was something about, you know, moving somewhere new where I don't gotta make new friends and do something new. So, you know.


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[Assistant] And that's why I do. I feel like it's the same way with the music with, you know, with the young artists coming in. It's like, I love...


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[Assistant] I love it, man. Cause it makes me new all over again. And a lot of times it helps me create a sound that I haven't created yet. You know, cause they, they got something new to say. They like stuff different than, you know, what I've been doing for years and years. So they always give me something new, man.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Bay is, the reason why I say I'm from the Bay is cause where I spent all my high school years. So all the years before that, you know, I was just a youngster, just growing up, but in the Bay is kinda...


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[Assistant] You know, in high school is where everything stick with you. You know, where you get your game from, where you start learning how you really gonna act. You know, you find out what you really love in the high school year. So that's why I always represent, uh, the Bay Area. But you, uh, you grew up in the church a lot? Definitely in the church. Uh, you know, I was in the church ever since I was,


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[Assistant] A toddler. So being in church all the time, that's what even got me started with the music.


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[Assistant] You know, when you're in church all the time, you're looking for something to do. So I gotta be here all the time. So I need to, oh, let me go play with the drums. Oh, let me go play with the organ. You know, so that what really got me musically inclined.


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[Assistant] Especially now since technology makes it where you don't have to learn how to play anything. Right. But, uh, yeaah, that's, I think that's a big reason why I've stuck around for so long is because I started off playing the drums, then I went to playing the piano. And both of those, like when you making a beat, you gotta make drums and then you gotta make keys.


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[Assistant] So, you know, those are the two things that are most important when you're making beats.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I mean the church, I gotta give a lot of credit to me learning to play music in the church.


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[Assistant] Definitely, I think that's the reason why I've been around for so long is because I understand music. I understand, you know, sounds and transitions and...


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[Assistant] And certain tempos and things like that. So a lot of times, you know, producers, they don't really make it too long because that's all they can do is kind of mimic what they hear somebody else do. Right. So, you know.


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[Assistant] Maybe 10, about 10 years old, and I wasn't allowed to listen to music. I wasn't allowed to listen to rap, cause you know, there was a whole lot of profanity in the music. You know, my dad's a preacher, my mom is the choir director, so I almost had to sneak and listen to it. You know, I remember my cousin playing.


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[Assistant] So, you know, so once, you know, after Dre, they done a chronic album, then Snoop Dogg, doggy style album, so I just started getting like just...


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[Assistant] Stuck on the music, like I couldn't live without listening to the music. So I remember...


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[Assistant] And I was a fan of just all the music. I was a fan of East Coast, West Coast, cause I'd buy every rap album came out. I mean, Red Man, Method Man, Bust Around, whatever. You know, I'm buying it all cause I'm just...


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying. It was addictive. It was like almost like a drug. It's like, I got to listen to this.


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[Assistant] Now I used to, uh, at the high school, at the high school games, I used to have my keyboard and my buddy that played the drums. We used to sit there and play, like we didn't really have a band. So I sit there and play songs that people hear on the radio or something and my guy be playing the drums. So we'd just be piping up the crowd with the keyboard and the drums.


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[Assistant] Ooh, I wanna be a producer or none of that. It was just, I was making the beats cause it was fun to me.


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[Assistant] And I remember one of the beats I did end up being the title track for him on his, on his album.


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[Assistant] Now he's just a, you know, a barrier, uh, artist that's really kind of selling his music in the Bay.


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[Assistant] So, but to me, that was just such a big plus. It made me feel like, man, I just made...


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, it was, uh, it was to Atlanta right after the, uh, right after Baker. My dad was retiring and I guess he wanted to retire somewhere a little bit more settled.


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[Assistant] But, besides the money, it just made me feel a part of something so much. So, now that I done did JT the Big Figure album, now it's San Quinn, now it's Messy Marv, now it's Be Legit, now it's, you know, E-40, you know, it's all these Bay Area guys that...


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[Assistant] You know, that uhm, I'm doing music with, that's making me feel like, okay, I'm a part of this right now.


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[Assistant] I gotta work, you know, I'm working a job, offloading trucks, I'm playing music at the church, you know, so they'll give me something from the church.


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[Assistant] I was selling beats on the side, so I'd make a couple hundred dollars. So I was taking every dollar I had to go to try to pay off this equipment, because I wanted my own, to make beats at my own spot and everything and be able to record.


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[Assistant] My parents got a, you know, a basement. They said I can come there. So I'm gonna ship all my equipment straight there and start working, you know, out of there. And I felt like, I guess from me moving all my life, I was, it was time for me to move again. I wanted to move and do something fresh and something new. So.


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[Assistant] And I was, I was ready to do something new.


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[Assistant] Selling out the trunk. Never, never had interaction with labels. Even as I got bigger, I still, like if you look at my career, it comes from a Gucci man that was probably, you know, that was nobody before we got poppin'. OJ the Juice Man, he wasn't nobody before we got poppin'.


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[Assistant] Uh, Migos, they wasn't nobody really before, you know, we got, I got popping with them. Guys like that, you know, it was guys like Young Ralph, Gorilla Zo, Young L.A., all these guys coming out of Atlanta, I had to keep


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[Assistant] Make, try to make stars out of guys that's from around the way because, you know, I feel like labels, every time I try to send beats to labels or work with somebody that's, you know, that had deals and stuff already, they didn't really like my music or understand my music, so.


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[Assistant] What they was basically telling me, like, I had the studio in their basement.


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[Assistant] And it was cool for fun, but you know, my dad was in the military. So he quick to let you know like, hey man, this is not no studio. I come down here and throw your keyboard on the ground. Like, like don't think this is, you know, you need to go, go to work. So I was a barber, you know, I started cutting hair, so I went to barber school.


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[Assistant] And I was like, well, I'd be a barber cut hair, cause I was doing that anyway in high school. Uhm, and I was looking at it like, okay, music, I just keep doing it as for, you know, for fun on the side or whatever.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I went to a barber cause I got my barber license. And I was, you know, I was feeling like I'm gonna be a barber the rest of my life. You know, music would be something on the side. And, you know, I'd be a barber and a church musician my whole life.


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[Assistant] Man, it took forever for me to believe that I could be a full-time producer, even after the hits. After I'm working with Gucci, we got the song So Icy. So Icy like the hottest song that year. But I felt like it was a fluke. I felt like it was luck. You know, I felt like, okay, this is probably ain't gonna happen again.


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[Assistant] And I think the reason I felt like that is because I watched my mom and my dad work, you know, their whole life. So I'm used to seeing somebody getting up going to work. So that's what I felt like I need to do. I gotta get up, go to the barbershop. I gotta get up, you know, and


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[Assistant] So stability was a big thing for me. Cause I guess that's cause I, you know, that's what I was seeing. So after So Icy blew up, I still felt like, okay, this ain't gonna work. After Make The Trap Say A Blew Up, you know, this is, now this song did better than Icy did. That was the song. That was the song. That's when, to me, that's when trap music,


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[Assistant] That we've heard in a while and it's huge. And it's huge. So even after that, you know, I still feel like, man, you know, that's another, I got lucky again, you know, even though I'm really the hottest producer.


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[Assistant] It's the number one song in the country. The song went number one faster than any one of Usher's other songs. Now I got the number one song in the country. I'm still at the barbershop. All day, every day.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's gonna last that long, so let me stay, let me stay stable, let me still cut a hair, let me still go play music in the church, cause this is what I know how to do. This is what I know to do.


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[Assistant] Well, I was, I still was putting all my energy into it. It just, I still felt like it was just a season. It took, it took...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I enjoyed, I enjoyed coming here, I enjoyed the atmosphere and it made me feel normal. I like, you know.


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[Assistant] I like to be Zaytsova, but then I like to be Xavier Datsun too. I like to be a normal person. I like to be able to walk around the mall.


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[Assistant] Talk to people and, you know, where not people just rushing up on me, like, ooh, let me take a picture and all that. So it got, it turned into that. The barbershop, people would come to the barbershop just to come and take pictures or give me that mixtape or try to get signed or something like that, so.


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[Assistant] So by the time Versace came, I couldn't go to the barbershop no more.


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[Assistant] And it just went from, you know, him bringing the nephew over to him starting to get in the booth. And it just turned into every day. Say, what's up, where you at? I'm gonna come over, let's do some songs. We're doing three, four songs a day.


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[Assistant] Just to be doing it because we enjoy each other's company. We enjoy, I enjoy how he rap and he love how I make beats.


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[Assistant] Like in that period of time? Definitely. Like we, we would spend every day together, then after doing music all day, we'd meet up and go to the club. He might go perform at, you know, the club called Libra or different places like that. So we would, we would each other every day all day.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, it was, it was a few things that, you know, Gucci was in the streets and I wasn't really, you know.


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[Assistant] In that lifestyle of really knowing what was going on that he was doing in the streets, so.


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[Assistant] You know, sometimes it'd be, you know, the Gucci I knew was just my buddy, just my boy. We'd record all day and we'd go to the club, you know, record. Then it'd be some other stories or something that he didn't did or something happening. Like dang, Gucci did that? But I knew, I knew that before I even met him. I knew he was just one of those guys.


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[Assistant] Okay, let me sneak him in the back door and keep the music down so we can knock this music out cause I felt like...


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[Assistant] He was gonna make it by any means necessary. Right. So if you got somebody like that, that means you gotta stick with him.


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[Assistant] It was so many guys coming in and out my house that was, you know, that looked like they was crazy or in the streets or they smell like, you know, smoke so much that she, they didn't even know the difference, you know. They didn't really know the difference until our song became, you know, popular.


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[Assistant] First time I started working with him, I thought he was super dope. But nobody else around thought he was dope. I go to...


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[Assistant] It was so simple. Like, you know how somebody can rap real good and they can say a whole lot of stuff. And it's like, okay, that's cool. Gucci was making stuff.


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[Assistant] That was so simple, but saying all the right words, and it was kinda funny, it was kinda melodic, but it was still street. It's like I fell in love with it. I thought it was the dopest rapper in the world to me.


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[Assistant] But, that's what got us working the way we did, cause I know, soon as I start making the beat, or playing something, he gonna like it, and it's okay, I'm done, I'm ready to go and record the song.


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[Assistant] So it forced me, a lot of times the beats I did early, I felt like I didn't even finish them. Cause I know he was ready to go record so fast. So, but I think that's what helped create the sound that's, you know, so poppin' even today.


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[Assistant] He did a, he did a, uh, he did, he was with this, uh, there was some guys around, around the neighborhood called Never Again. So, you know, we did a, we was doing some songs. I remember the first song we ever did was called Me and My Niggas.


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[Assistant] And he was rapping totally different than how he rap right now.


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[Assistant] But he was, it was still just super dope. Then we was rocking with, uhm,


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[Assistant] It wasn't a diss, but it was like, you know, it was like making white tea a real gutter street song.


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[Assistant] So now it's like, okay, but it stirred up the attention that we needed.


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[Assistant] So, you know, Gucci knew more about it. You know, he was in tune with what was going on. So, I make jeezy when we did Icy.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, definitely. Icy was my first, that's the first time I went to the club, the DJ cut the music off and everybody's singing all the words.


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[Assistant] That was probably the greatest experience for me doing this, this whole time. It's cause I never felt that, you know, it's like when you're the first time you feel that.


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[Assistant] We got a hit record. You know what I mean? So. Must have felt crazy. Man, that felt too crazy.


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[Assistant] Never wanted to be that. Even when I was making beats earlier, like my little brother would rap.


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[Assistant] And he's like built to be in front of the camera, like that's what he do, you know what I mean? And I always felt like, ooh, he a star, let me make all the beats, do all the recording, and watch him shine on the stage. So I always wanted to be, you know, behind the scene.


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[Assistant] I never been, you know, real talkative. I was kinda quiet. So, you know, I never wanted to really be in front of the camera.


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[Assistant] Well, I had a solid foundation with my parents. But a lot of people do and then it doesn't work. A lot of times it's the other way around. The people that, you know, but I guess that's just been my character. I think mixed with, you know, looking up to my parents and how they,


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[Assistant] Raised us and everything. I just was that type of guy. And then being in church as much as I was being in church.


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[Assistant] I never felt pressured to do none of that, cause it's like, that ain't me, I don't even want to really try it, you know.


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[Assistant] Now when that's be the first thing, Gucci'll introduce me to people.


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[Assistant] Even though this is, you know, Gucci is the, is the, you know, the streetest guy you gonna meet. Right. Especially at this time. So for him to go in immediately and start bragging on my characteristics, it made me feel like...


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[Assistant] Oh, well, he's proud of that. He's bragging on that. So, you know, it made me feel confident in how I am around anybody, whatever they do. Around killers, I feel confident. You know, I'm comfortable.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, we bumped heads a few times. Uh, I remember bumping heads with him, kinda, it was a friend of mine, like a real close friend of mine named Wiz. And it was, it just something that escalated that, that Wiz was in the studio and they kinda getting into it, you know what I mean, at my house.


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[Assistant] And it's like, hey bro, you gotta leave cause you just said something too disrespectful. And it was so funny cause Gucci, a dude like Gucci is the funniest guy in the world cause he'll go off on my buddy and get into it.


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[Assistant] Uh, for me it really didn't change anything. I was almost hurt. I remember that's when 106 and Park was, was, uh, was on.


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[Assistant] And I remember sitting in front of the TV like, ooh, the video finna come on. You know, and they'll go ask the audience like, well, what you think about the song? And this and that.


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[Assistant] I didn't understand that though. I just felt like, oh, why would they do that? We got the hottest song in the world. Like, you can tell our song was the hottest, you know, thing moving.


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[Assistant] But it didn't really change anything for me cause at the time, Gucci was really hated. Like they didn't really like Gucci cause GZ was the new poppin' guy and now they bumpin' heads on the song. Gucci was the villain. Straight up. He was the villain. So, you know, so for me, it's like...


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[Assistant] I can work with Gucci or some new guys that's coming up, you know, from around the neighborhood, but there's nobody that's knocking my door down like, ooh, Zay told me we want some beats.


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[Assistant] It's like, oh, you Gucci, you Gucci producer? Okay, nah, we don't know beats, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's how I was. But that's what made him so successful and that's what made, you know, put the stamp on him how it is now. Now he's like a superhero to the type of music that, you know, that everybody's doing right now.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was crazy for me cause I'm still at the barber shop and...


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[Assistant] The paperwork hasn't been signed off on, you know, you gotta do split sheets and everything with the song.


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[Assistant] So, you know, Jeezy knew he was gonna use it on his album. What was his first album?


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[Assistant] Thug Motivation 101. Okay, yeaah. So they was going to use it on, you know, I was hoping that...


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[Assistant] And then it can go on Gucci album, Trap House. But they was bumping heads, so.


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[Assistant] It came down to it as in saying like, was that whose song it's gonna be? It gotta be somebody's song. Is it Jeezy's song or is it a Gucci man's song?


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[Assistant] Now Jesus, when they was trying to, you know, get it to put on, on their project.


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[Assistant] But I was like, man, I can't sign to let y'all use it cause...


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[Assistant] But I couldn't do it cause it's like, nah, I got, me and Gucci got ties and that's how we made that song together. So yeah, I was in it at that point. I was having the guys.


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[Assistant] Gucci calls me like, hey man, don't sell my song to nobody. And then I'm having, you know, Jeezy people calling like, hey, let us come pick you up on the barbershop, let's work this stuff out. I'm like, man. So I couldn't really enjoy it cause, you know, cause of what was going on.


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[Assistant] It was, it was still pretty much Gucci. Like, you know, after that Gucci got the case and was locked up for, for a while. So I started putting out the music that we had. Like me and Gucci was recording music all the time. So I remember making mixtapes like Ice Attack, you know, Ice Attack part two. Like, you know, I was making mixtapes.


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[Assistant] Why he was locked up, just to keep the music going. It's like, dang, we had a big song, so I don't want to just let the whole career, everything just die out because he's locked up.


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[Assistant] And then we did the album, Why He Was Locked, that we did uhm, uh, Hard to Kill.


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[Assistant] One of those albums that I think made other people listen and be like, hold on, they told me the truth.


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[Assistant] You know, we need to start, I want to get some beats from Zaytova. So I think people start, you know, you know, respecting me differently after that project came out because I executive produced the Hard to Kill and I did 90% of the production on it. So uhm.


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[Assistant] That's when I, you know, I started working with like an OJ The Juice Man. I still gotta build artists from ground zero. There's still not no big guys just knocking my door down. So, you know, so OJ started being popular. He's a new guy from the neighborhood that started making noise.


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[Assistant] Yup, yup, it definitely was that. And it, and it let me put focus on OJ. I felt like, well, that ain't Gucci gone right now. So, you know, me and Juicy just working all his first, what was it, three, four mixtapes, every song produced by Zay Tova. So I'm just working with him like I was working with Gucci.


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[Assistant] So, you know, so, so when Gucci get out and then, you know, they start working together, now it's like we got like a dynasty.


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[Assistant] And, and OJ would make the trap say, hey, now it's like, okay, now we run the sound. Like we was running the sound of Atlanta with that. Right. You know, the sound, the music that we was putting out was running Atlanta.


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[Assistant] Well, O.J. rapped on a beat. I didn't even give him a beat. He was rocking with the guys I told you that Gucci was rocking with at first called Never Again. So they had a lot of my beats over there. I just give them beats or make beats over there. And Juice had just got out of jail. So he did a song called Everything on Me.


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[Assistant] And everybody loved it, he was going to the club performing, everybody going crazy over it, so I'm like, ooh, Juice, he the guy. So, uh, now,


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[Assistant] At that time he wasn't doing the, ayy, he wasn't really rapping like that. So I think he kind of found that sound just in the midst of us working so much. He started trying some things and...


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[Assistant] When he started coming with the A and people started liking it, I felt like, okay, this is a niche. This is like a gimmick that'll definitely work. Cause he exciting. He, like Gucci was more boss and laid back and rapping real street and, and, and, or whatever.


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[Assistant] But Juice had like an excitement about him. He light skinned, he's short, he jumpin' up and down and now he going, hey, okay, all that. So it just brought another energy that I felt like, okay, he a star.


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[Assistant] That was my favorite with me, Gucci, and OJ. It was just...


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[Assistant] O.J. is one of them. And his character, like, you know, Juice, not only was he, like Juice was a real, you know, he was really in the streets for real, so.


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[Assistant] You know, plus, man, Juice remind me, our, my memories of Juice is, I didn't really know him, but we can go to the club, whatever it is, he gon' buy and do whatever, say what you need, I'm finna buy you this and that. Oh, we at the strip club, here, I'm finna get you some dances. Like, that's how he just treated me. So like, I just rock with Juice so much that,


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[Assistant] I was just rooting for Juice just to be like the biggest in the world.


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[Assistant] That's one guy, it don't matter, you know, how big I get or what's going on, he's one of the guys that I'm always going to include in whatever I'm doing.


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[Assistant] Right. And that was kinda like your artist? Yeah, it's like my artist. It's like a guy brought him to me.


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[Assistant] He was so dope that he turned into like my little brother. He turned into like, you know, a guy that's like, okay, he's just over here every day, all day. He might spend the night, you know, but he's super dope. So, you know, he is, it's him. And then it turned into Young Ralph and then, uh, Gorilla Zo at that time.


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[Assistant] Uh, I can't really say. It's like, you know, a lot of it has to do with, you know, sometimes what they have going on in the streets.


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[Assistant] Sometimes they can get in situations where they really didn't should have waited before they got into the situation. So I think all that played a part. Then you start kind of getting locked up here and there. You know, a lot of times, you know, if you get gone at the wrong time, it can really just devastate your career.


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[Assistant] No learning process. Cause I was still doing everything from the mud, I was still.


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[Assistant] Just trying to create, like I wasn't even caring about the music business for real. I was just caring about, I was trying to chase that high of, okay we had the hottest song in the world, so I'm just trying to chase that feeling again. So me working with all these new artists, that's what I'm trying to do.


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[Assistant] Trying to just create the feeling of, okay, Zay on fire with the beat. Even to this day, it's like the same high I'm chasing. I chase the same high. Like, all I care about is...


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[Assistant] Zay the truth with the beats, Zay, Zay Toven the dope, you know, he the dopest with the beats. And that's, that's really what I, that's all I really care about.


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[Assistant] Uh, Young L.A. is the reason I even rock with the Migos. Because he came to the house and he was like, Zay man, I just heard some little young dudes rapping on your beat saying Bando or something. He said, it ain't going crazy.


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[Assistant] And I respect his opinion so much, if he tell me somebody going crazy, I'm immediately going to look it up. I look up, uh, Bando and his Quavo.


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[Assistant] Rapping, just like in the living room or something, like a ceiling fan going, he just trapped out the band though.


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[Assistant] Wrapping in, you know, into a camera, like it might have been a cell phone or something he was wrapping into.


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[Assistant] And looking at him, I was like, he's a star. Right. I want to find him.


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[Assistant] So, it went from there to they had a little video for Bando.


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[Assistant] Showing Scooter, hey Scooter, come look at these dudes right here. Gucci, come look at these dudes right here. That's, you know what I mean? I'm showing them, cause I'm like, man, they dope. The reason why I think they were so dope to me is cause...


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[Assistant] The beat sounded like something Gucci would rap on, and it kinda sounded like Gucci, man, rapping on it. So, Gucci was the only guy that I showed that to that was like, Zay, you need to find him. They dope. Everybody else like,


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[Assistant] That ain't, that's hard to you, that's hard to that. You know, that's how everybody treated it, like that ain't really that hard.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? But Young LA told me they going crazy and Gucci seen it and said, hey man, you need to find them. They going, they going crazy. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was like that. It was at a point where, remember when they put out their first album and it really didn't do so well, I was like, dang, is the, is people tired of the Migos? Is it over with for the Migos right now? You know, I'm not sure. You know, they my guys, I'm always working with them, but I, you know, I kind of felt like they might not last as long as,


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[Assistant] Now they didn't get bigger than I ever thought they was gonna be. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Y'all, let's exchange numbers, come to my house, they came to my house the next day, and they came cocky like, you know, I remember I was recording El Dorado Red in the house, you know, when they came home.


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[Assistant] And what me and El Dorado doing is hard, it's super hard. And I'm like, boy, I know y'all like, that is just hard. They're like, yeah, that's, yeah, that's hard. You know, they ain't really, you know, they just saying, they was just itching to show, show me what they got. You know, that's how they felt. So we immediately, uh, they, they, uh,


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[Assistant] Played me some of the music they already had, but I was like, you know, let's just start making some music from scratch. So we started recording from scratch right then. El Dorado left, me and Migos just at my house just recording. So we did some songs and then I gave them some beats to go home with.


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[Assistant] Wasatchi was one of the beats that, you know, I gave him at that time.


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[Assistant] So it was just like, you know, just, I guess that, just seeing where they at right now coming from that right there is just, is just amazing.


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[Assistant] Anybody that had anything to do with my success or my sound, cause I feel like all these guys help create the sounds that I have.


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[Assistant] You know, so I always, man, I stay in touch with them and we work, you know, we gonna work till it's all over with.


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[Assistant] Scooter with, it's so crazy now. Scooter and future.


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[Assistant] Both was rapping on my beats when I didn't never, you know, there wasn't nobody. This is when Gucci popping and my beats are floating all around the city. I remember meeting Scooter at Stonecrest Mall where I was cutting hair at. And he was walking out and I was walking in. And he was like, hey man, I did a song on your beat bro, I need to let you hear. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] And it's so crazy, one of the beats that I rapped on, I remember I used to be trying to rap, so I rapped on the same beat that he told, that he let me hear that he rapped on. I'm like, okay, that sounds good, that's dope. So, it wasn't until maybe a year later when me and Scooter really clicked.


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[Assistant] Where he was coming over my house and me and Scooter like, you know, we was like this every day. Scooter at my house, we recording every day, all day. Just, you know, Scooter walking around with his A-Tone and B-Shirt on.


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[Assistant] Like this is like my artist. Even though he was already working with, you know, Future and everybody else, it just like...


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[Assistant] So, you know, and that's how, you know, me and Scooter got so tight.


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[Assistant] But I met him at Stone Crest Mall, and he rapped on my b- most of the guys I met that got big, they rapped on my music before I knew who they was, and I didn't give them the music, they got it from somewhere else.


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[Assistant] I was giving out beat cds that had 40 beats on them just to everybody.


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[Assistant] Like I said, cause I still don't know if this is gonna last. I don't know how it's gonna pan out. I'm still, you know, so I'm just giving out beats to everybody. Everybody I think that's halfway dope.


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[Assistant] They got a CD with, you know, with 40 beats on it. Now they might leave that at some other studio so them beats all over there. They didn't got it from somebody else. So everybody just getting beats. A lot of my songs came from...


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[Assistant] Dang, I didn't give him that beat, but he just made a hit to it. So, you know, I felt like that's why I kept doing it.


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[Assistant] Trippie Redd, we just met, finna load him up with beats. Now I hit them beats, matter of fact, I don't know who the guy was out there, he just told me like, hey man, I did a song on one of your beats, I want you to hear it.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying. So, like, I don't know where he got the beat from. I don't even care.


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[Assistant] I just wanted to, you know, I just wanted the music to be dope. But if that, that, uh, song comes out and... And blow up now... Then you care. Then it's like...


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[Assistant] On every one of Future's mixtapes included, I think I'm the only producer that's been on Future's first 1000 mixtape. But I didn't give him the beat.


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[Assistant] You know, this is back, I didn't really know him. I was, I was a hot producer at the time, so he used my beat on, on 1000 Mixtape. Then he came out with Dirty Sprite. I did like three songs on Dirty Sprite.


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[Assistant] But I remember him calling me, uh, I forgot how we linked up. He was calling me like to let me hear the songs like the beats he used. And I'm like, okay, that's dope.


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[Assistant] But then Dirty Sprite came out and it was just the hottest music in the world. Like that's all anybody could listen to. So then I started paying future attention like, oh wait a minute, oh you, the truth.


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[Assistant] Well, I didn't work with him on Pluto or Onyx. So we kind of just kind of lost touch. And I'm like, you know, that it gets like that sometimes. Sometimes he might find other producers or a different sound. It's like, okay, that's what he going with. So when he did those projects, I didn't talk to Future for, you know, two years, a year and a half, two years.


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[Assistant] Classic. So many times. Really. But, like, so when he came back with Monster, and I was hearing in the streets, like, oh, Future kinda going back hard, you know, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] This is, you know, this is after why I done had Migos blow up, I got Dolph blow, you know, all these guys I've been working with was blowing up at the time he wasn't really, you know, really that relevant.


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[Assistant] So, I remember after Monster was gone, then he called me to the studio like, man, I want you to hear...


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[Assistant] Mind you again, I don't even know for sure where you got these beats from.


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[Assistant] So it was like four or five songs. So we in the studio and I'm like, ooh, that's, you know, going crazy.


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[Assistant] So we got a lot of people in the studio, and they in the studio like, man, you just need to do all Zay. Like, you need to put out another project, just do all Zay. Now, Future ain't never did no project with no other producer where they did all the beats, even to this day. There's no project he has where one producer did every beat on the project.


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[Assistant] That I felt like, cuz Future gave me the, he said to me like, Zay, whatever beats you give me, I'm rapping on.


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[Assistant] So he's telling me I'm not in charge of what beats I'ma rap on. It's whatever you make, that's what I'ma rap on. So when he told me that, it made me, if you listen to Beast Mode, none of my music before Beast Mode sounded like Beast Mode.


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[Assistant] You know, now you hear all these pianos and melodies and instrumentation. It's because he told me.


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[Assistant] Whatever beats you bring me, them the beats we using. That's what we rapping on. That's what I'ma rap on. So now I'm going home making beats that's like, oh, okay, this is a chance for me to get out of the normal Zayto and everybody know and start making like, dang, Zayda made some.


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[Assistant] Some cold beats, you know what I mean, for future. So, and I think that's why Beats Mode was so special because I had the liberty, the liberty of, oh you telling me.


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[Assistant] You know, most rappers when they do a project, it's like, okay, I like this beat, I wanna use that one and this one.


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[Assistant] It's another thing to say, whatever you give me to rap on, that's what I'm rapping on.


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[Assistant] He rapped on every beat I gave him. He didn't skip one beat. If I brought 10 beats in, he rapped on all 10 of them.


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[Assistant] So it was so hard to just go through and pick the ones cause it's so much dope that we got, that we done.


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[Assistant] I really didn't feel it till I was almost nervous. I was kind of scared cause I'm like, okay, future just now getting back, you know, trying to get back popping and now I'm doing a full project. So people are going to be looking at me. If this ain't really that hard or people, you know, they still going to be looking at Ozay Toland did that whole project. That wasn't really that good.


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[Assistant] So I'm kinda nervous at the time, like man, I don't, you know, I'm hoping that people receive it the right way. Right. So after it came out, that's when I started seeing like, oh wait a minute.


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[Assistant] People call, other rappers call me like, hey bro, y'all got the hardest, y'all got the hardest project in the world. Like, y'all done set the world on fire with this.


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[Assistant] No sir. I had worked with Usher before. Oh, on the Gucci song.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I think even, even after I did Usher, people still looked at me as, okay, you Gucci man producer, right? You don't want to make Gucci beats, right?


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[Assistant] I'm like, well no, I did Usher, I got a number one song in the country. Yea, that's cool, but you do Gucci man beats. Like, they didn't care about that, you know. So, even to this day, people still don't look at that as like, okay, Zay Tobin did that. They still stuck on, even now, they still stuck on, oh, you make Gucci man beats, you're the one who makes Gucci man beats, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it can get left out. Just cause, okay, and I think the reason why is because the sound that I made with Gucci in the beginning is a sound that's getting mimicked and copied so much right now. So people still look at me as in, oh, Zay Toven is the guy that created that.


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[Assistant] And listen, I do DJ sets now. And one of the most popular songs I play is Slime On My Knob by 360. You know what I mean? So that's crazy that, you know, they can do everything new that they want to and get, you know, some accolades for anything new, but they still gonna be known as, well they the one did the Slime On My Knob song.


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[Assistant] To the studio. It's already on Moreland Avenue, so we in the hood.


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[Assistant] And some other dude in there I ain't never seen before. And it almost scared me like, hey man, wait a minute. But I know I can't turn around and go home right now. This is my guy, so I was like...


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[Assistant] I was feeling like, man, I don't know what Gucci on right now, but I just tell, I can tell he was like in a different space. He was in a dark space, but it'd be so hard for me to tell cause while we sitting there talking and recording this, everything is normal.


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[Assistant] But just the scenery, if you look and just the atmosphere, you could tell like, okay, something else going on right now.


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[Assistant] Man, I looked in the table, it was so many guns on the table. And I'm looking like, okay, it's me and Gucci, then somebody ain't never seen before.


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[Assistant] I was just feeling like, man I can't, I can't wait to do these songs and get up out of here. You know?


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[Assistant] But, you know, the Twitter thing here went down, I can tell, you know, I know Gucci, like, you know, sometimes he gon' be...


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[Assistant] Cool and level headed. Other times he gonna be like, oh, you know, he trippin' right now.


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[Assistant] You know, that was one of them times, but all in all, I still felt, you know, comfortable with, you know, with being around him, even at that state, so. But I can tell it was a different mindset at that, at that time.


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[Assistant] That's every time, like, when Gucci go to jail, you gotta think, Gucci went to jail a whole lot of times, you know, in this, in our career. And he'll always, you know, he'll call me.


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[Assistant] And laughing and playing and then let me hear what he wrote, Zay make a beat to this and that. So that relationship, so I knew when he got out, I knew exactly what it was going to be. He was going to call me first. Because I felt like, I think I felt, and he, he felt like the world know Gucci with Zaytoven.


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[Assistant] So even if I add another producer in, I got to add Zayto in it, or it's gon', it's gon' look and sound like I'm not, I'm not in pocket, or I, you know, I'm out of pocket, so.


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[Assistant] Definitely. You look like you probably eat pretty good. Yeah, I take the kids, you know, I take the kids to school in the morning, so after the kids, it's straight to the gym.


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[Assistant] I love it. And certain guys like Gucci, they don't-


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[Assistant] Like it no other way. You know, it's just the feeling or the action of me making the beat. Like I remember he had Travis Scott when we did the song last time. He had Travis Scott over his house.


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[Assistant] Come up with, you know, ideas. It helps him, you know, come up with the lyrics even better because he's going off of my vibe and my energy, you know, while I'm making the beat.


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[Assistant] Uhm, cause, you know, they just, they done made their mark in the game. Like, you know, I believe that they gon' stay being successful in doing the music.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I work with them all the time, so I watch them produce, I watch them do what they do, so, uh, but it's so many producers, man, that I feel like it's so dope and that's gonna be around. And I'm scared to st- I'm trying to thank you, so I can-


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[Assistant] All these guys. Like Sonny was the first guy to come over and we were supposed to collaborate on the beat. But he came over and he just had a laptop.


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[Assistant] I be makin' a beat in one other room, give it to him, he'll take it in my other, like my beat room, and finish makin' the beat. I'm like, well dang, what, what did you use to make the beat? Like, how did you do that? Right. So it, it started teachin' me like, okay, it's different production styles now, it's different, different ways of producin'.


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[Assistant] So, but all those guys are like, I'm really fans of all the new producers. For real.


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[Assistant] It's no accolades, I still got the excitement of being...


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[Assistant] A producer that, a sought out producer, you know. And, and these new producers, they help, help motivate me. Cause if they going hard, it just make me feel like, okay, I ain't going out like that. I ain't finna just...


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[Assistant] Stop going hard. It's like they inspire me to go hard and keep making music.


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[Assistant] I still wanna be, like, when you mention these guys and when you pull up albums, like, okay, well they had to get one from Zaytoven too. Or Zaytoven worked on that project too. You know what I mean? So I still got that fire burning in me.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, collabing, like that was something new for me. When I started collabing with different producers, you know, it just, it just intrigued me. It still, it still, you know, keep my fire burning to produce.


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[Assistant] Accolades or none of that, like, you know, I done made, I done done more and made more money than I ever thought about in my life of doing this.


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[Assistant] And I still enjoy, I still love getting up, making beats. I still love producing for people and seeing what it sound like. I love that the new generation still like, dang, I need some, I need to get something from you Zayn. Like I need to work with you.


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[Assistant] You know why? It's cause I remember the reason why I started working with Lil Uzi or Lil Pump. It's cause my son, my son is 12 years old.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, I don't even know where he listen. You know, where you get all this music from? How you find out all these different artists? And it's, I know it's the cell phone.


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[Assistant] Me working with Future and Gucci and all that to him is like, oh, that's okay. That's cool. You know, that's like old school to him. Young guys.


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[Assistant] Little pump facetiming though, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, to him, now he's the most popular guy in the school cause, okay, he can brag that, oh my daddy worked with Lil Uzi. Right. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] So that's, that's another angle for me. You know, I'm still trying to impress my, you know, my kids because I want to be, you know, I still want to be cool to them when it comes to, you know, what they listening to.


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[Assistant] I can't wait to do something with you. My son was talking about you and I, you know, I sent Pump some beats and immediately he was like, you know, I remember he did a little, uh, video of him jumping out the truck, rapping to the Zaytoven beat and I was looking on my Twitter like,


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[Assistant] Oh, he going crazy. You know, I didn't know. I didn't really know like that. I didn't know how big he was. So I'm looking at it like.


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[Assistant] Oh, this guy going bananas. Let me call him, send him some more beats and this and that. So, uh, and it was just instant, man. You know, we, we get to talking all the time. I'm sending them beats, you know, and now I'm working with them. So it makes it, you know, it makes it dope for me and, you know, and for my son. And it just bring me to the new generation all over again.


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[Assistant] Like, and you know, me being a guy that played music in the church, like I just did a project with Lecrae. Lecrae is, you know, like the biggest gospel rap artist in the game. Really? I'll have a look into that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so look into it. Me and him is dropping a project very, very soon. But, you know.


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[Assistant] I wanna do different things like that now, you know, to expand my name and legacy. So, you know, it's not gonna be just, you know, just making beats for people for their album, for their project. It's gonna be the projects that Zaytoven put out. Zaytoven and whoever just did, you know, I got a lot of projects lined up like that. I don't even wanna name all the names, but.


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[Assistant] It's Zaytoven and dang, Zaytoven did a project with this person. Zaytoven did a project with this person. Like how we did Beast Mode. Amazing. So, you know, I just did the Superfly movie that's coming out.


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[Assistant] June the 15th, so I just did the music for the Superfly movie and I'm acting in that too. So all that stuff is just, is keeping my, my fuel, you know, fueling my fire.


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[Assistant] I felt like it was just, you know, it's just timing for everything. I've been in the game for, you know, my first big song was 2004, here it is 2018. I'm just now finna put out my own album, you know. So, and it just expands my life in this music. I want people to look back at Zaytoven and be like, well, Zaytoven was in the game for


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[Assistant] I'm a guy that, I never had highs and lows in the music. I never was the hottest producer in the world at one time or none of that. But I've been consistently been here where you gotta mention me without every new hot producer. You know, I came up when it was Shawty Red and Nitty. Right. That was kind of the era sort of


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[Assistant] Yeah, pretty much, yeah. But, you know, that's when I started getting my name. Right. So, you know, to, to last.


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[Assistant] When there's Lex Luger and Mike Will and Sonny and Metro or London or all the guys that, you know, that then came and make a name-mark in the game, some guys came and left and not here no more. So for me to still be one of those guys is what I thrive on. So that's what, you know, keeps me motivated.


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[Assistant] Oh, you're the new scout. Rahim radioed me about you. Yea, that's me. Name's Crane.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna bother learning your name till you survive a few days, but here, this is for you.


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[Assistant] All my money's in that satchel. Take it and get the fuck out.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, yeaah. I can point you in the right direction. Here. Here. And here.


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[Assistant] Don't know what you're talking about. I don't care where you're from.


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[Assistant] What's your name? Crane. Well Crane.


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[Assistant] You're in for some heartbreak if you think going to Sector Zero will get you off Rice's shit list, but wait here.


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[Assistant] Okay, we'll get you to the other side. Right when? Right now. And what about payment? What you did to Rice, that's more than enough payment for us.


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[Assistant] Go to the collapsed tunnel that led to Old Town. Knock at the door that leads to the sewers. Someone will take good care of you. Will do. Thanks. Nah man, thank you.


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[Assistant] Do what he asks of you, and Rise will consider giving your people some antizin. Understood?


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[Assistant] No, Ziniax had Santa trapped for decades, slowly but surely degrading his mind.


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[Assistant] If we don't free him soon, it'll be too late. And he'll never be jolly old Saint Nick again.


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[Assistant] In Santa's nightmare world, the holiday spirit doesn't exist. So if you wanna bring it back, you wear whatever it takes. Real guns aren't allowed here, so we'll have to check the store and do a little holiday shopping. Also, be careful of your language around Santa. We're trying to stay on his nice list.


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[Assistant] So this is where the reign of mechanical animals began.


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[Assistant] Don't say that, Santa. We're going to stop Claus. We're going to fix the future!


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[Assistant] Clauses hold up under a protective shield gaining strength. At midnight, he'll be unstoppable. Unless you can bring holiday cheer back to the people before the clock strikes twelve.


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[Assistant] Pretty good, pretty good. Sorry it took us so long to get going.


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[Assistant] My show is about business. I don't know if you know what we're walking into.


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[Assistant] And I like to lead by example, so, you know, I'm doing a television network and...


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[Assistant] Right? And that's why I try to tell everybody to block because this is what happens to me. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] The way distribution is happening and the way people are getting information is a lot different.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I see you pop up on my feed a lot.


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[Assistant] And uhm, but I didn't really realize, you know, exactly who you were, how you distributed your shit, and all the things that came with it. And so, when you hollered at us, Kelsey was like kind of excited, because she knew it was like a whole world that, you know, I know exists, but I really don't know what's going on.


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[Assistant] Shout out to Kelsey, she put this together today too, so good looking Kelsey, she produced this. Uhm, so can you explain exactly what you do and how you do it?


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[Assistant] So, cause you know, my crowd might not understand it. Explain the BMX thing. What is that?


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[Assistant] Because, you know, I've been around some BMX dudes, they fight a lot. Very aggressive sport.


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[Assistant] It was like, and really rude at times, like, you know.


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[Assistant] Cause some disrespectful shit's gonna happen. Yeaah, that's a wild crowd. I'm not gonna lie.


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[Assistant] It's always that little chip and they fight each other. They fight, the skateboarders fight each other. It's like the BMX guys be fighting the skateboarders.


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[Assistant] And I guess after like Biggie died and Pac died and it just was like...


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[Assistant] You know, like, like, I can be aggressive when I'm protecting, but generally speaking, I like to just chill out. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] Well, I think it was just no one knew how to do it to bring


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[Assistant] And it doesn't come with like profit or showing like, you know, certain lifestyle. But I was a person that chose art over corporate.


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[Assistant] And I still didn't sacrifice any quality of living, so my gallery wasn't like some old bum gallery I had.


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[Assistant] You know, three floors in Tribeca, you know, nobody's office or building was better than mine and has ever been since I got away from corporate because they always had offices for me and I need a building. I do a lot of shit, you know, and it never made sense as a creative person. Cause like when you're with executives, they're just thinking about how to exploit.


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[Assistant] And then how to bag it up and put it out, monetize it and do more shit. They just think about how to exploit. And I'm like, and they outsource everything. Just like, you know, the government. You outsource everything. And I'm like, why wouldn't we, as creators, bring everyone in house, make our own movies, have our own studios, and have our own distribution and platform,


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[Assistant] And when you get someone that makes films, or someone that paints, or someone that makes music,


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[Assistant] And it's gonna be monetizable if you can package it up and put it out correctly and the people don't argue. You know, and start getting their emotions involved.


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[Assistant] Just because they can only focus on things that they enjoy, which is what an artist is, and show them how to focus that energy, package that energy, be consistent, monetize it, and benefit from it in a way that doesn't take anything from their spirit or their soul.


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[Assistant] You know, I've always been that guy that fought for the creative, the creative and cause I am a creative, you know what I'm saying? But both sides of my brain work. So you're in this lifestyle and you did this website and how did it turn into what you're doing now?


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[Assistant] So, and I appreciate you telling me about that. I'll have more questions. Kelsey, is Kelsey here? Where'd she go? Cause, come here Kelsey. Cause, I wanna ask Kelsey's perspective, cause again I'm


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[Assistant] What's up with that mic? That's what I wanted to know. Pause. So uhm, again, Kelsey got really excited. She knew exactly who you were. And, you know, she was kind of making me understand that there's like a whole world. You know, what's the world he's in? Explain that world.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't want to say competition, but like in the same, in the same breath that you say, Adam 22, what other people are in that world.


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[Assistant] So if he had, if there was the YouTube awards, what award would he get?


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[Assistant] About, there's like a cutoff date to what they kind of know about certain things where like 10 years ago it wasn't like that.


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[Assistant] So I gotta get back to the business. So the interview we did, you know, went viral.


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[Assistant] And uh, you know, I started looking at my feed and it was like, $500 for a hair cutter. I paid Dane $500. I'm like, what the fuck is that? So, I wanted to talk about that.


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[Assistant] So you know, every artist has a writer. Right.


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[Assistant] I didn't think anyone was going to make a big deal or as big a deal out of what I said or certain things that I said.


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[Assistant] Cause that's the type of shit I say every day, it's just normal conversation and it's how I feel.


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[Assistant] Like you as an interviewer, right? And this is a question I'd be asking people because when they ask me about, you know, the J question. What is your expectation as an interviewer?


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[Assistant] When you're versed a certain amount of time, a certain amount of money, and people do things in a certain way, and I'm not just generally saying one person, I get violated a lot in business.


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[Assistant] And no matter who it is, even if it was like I hit somebody with a pack or like an ape, you know, 20 years ago.


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[Assistant] If somebody asked me about that person, I'd be like, yo, he burnt me 4H.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? Period. Don't hit him with no work. I don't fuck with that person like that. So, I'm not always gonna be salty about the situation, but I'm not salty in life. I'm like, yeah, you caught me for that.


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[Assistant] It's just like I'll be wondering what the expectation is like. Y'all gotta know I'ma say something.


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[Assistant] That's not going to be nice or at least not positive to some about somebody that it seems that


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[Assistant] You know, like, people have outgrown that problem in this generation. They have no fucking idea. And if they did, they'd be like, yo, that's some dumb shit.


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[Assistant] I find it weird that people live picariously through other people so much.


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[Assistant] To defend people or be mad over people that you really don't know that wave a flag for a person that will never wave a flag for you.


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[Assistant] You must really hate your life to love somebody else so much that you fight more for theirs than your own.


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[Assistant] So I just think we're in the world now because people don't step down.


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[Assistant] Because they're in a certain amount of control when they fuck up. Cause everybody fucks up.


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[Assistant] Who in the world is perfect? Right. You know, it's just that we're signing on to a life that you see all our perfections live.


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[Assistant] When you know that bubblegum shit, cause, you know, the thing was, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, the headline I always read was, uh, you know, homie ain't shit. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] So to the business and the writing thing, when you do something like that, and just so you understand the business.


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[Assistant] What numbers do you have to do to catch a lick to make some real money as a YouTuber where it's significant? Like how many?


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[Assistant] How much money does a YouTuber make and like when you catch a lick like that one or it's popular, what does it yield?


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[Assistant] And that's how, just again, just to take it back to the business. When someone has a rider.


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[Assistant] That's the reason why they have one, cause like yeaah, if I have to have a driver, the driver gotta get paid. If I gotta get it cut that day.


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[Assistant] I probably would, you know, I would probably be like, fuck it, but I don't know you. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] And I didn't know what you represented in any of those things. I just had seen you and I thought it was interesting your perspective on certain things I had seen. And I also wanted to know if when they had ran in your spot, was that real?


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[Assistant] What do you say to people that would call you a culture vulture? And I haven't called you a culture vulture because to me, I feel like you live the culture.


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[Assistant] You're just exploiting it, it's like you're there and you're with these people before they break and, you know, I feel like you enjoy it.


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[Assistant] What do you do to make sure you're not being a culture vote, even if it's like unconscious, like, you know, because being talking about another culture, like when I'm doing rock and roll, I believe all music is one, but I always be trying to make sure


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[Assistant] That I'm not disrespecting anybody's heritage or anything unconsciously.


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[Assistant] And I could do that because I'm reckless. I say mad shit, so I'm always very clear. So you do have to be sorta conscious of that no matter what you do. Like if I'm doing something about somebody Jewish, I'mma definitely be conscious of.


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[Assistant] But how do you make sure that the people that you're working with don't feel that way?


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[Assistant] She does the work of a couple of women, so you can hear.


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[Assistant] You gotta be careful when you be playing with social media and these real issues.


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[Assistant] I want to ask some, I want you to ask him some questions from your world, cause I don't know how to ask these questions. So, this is your shot to interview Adam 22. I'll go over here and roll my joint. Wow.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what I respected about your interview is that no point did you offend me with a stupid question. And I think that's what bothers me the most is when I do interviews with people, they want me to level down, they don't try to level up.


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[Assistant] And they don't respect my time, like, you know, and usually I'm there to help. You know what I mean? Like I, I feel like I try to deliver the truth and shit.


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[Assistant] And a lot of people try to like, knock that for some reason, because maybe they feel guilty about the fact that they're the opposite of it, which is a lie. You know? So, I just felt that you were, it was a good interview. It was a good interview. Now my question is- Appreciate that. Yea, it was a good interview. Uhm, I respect it. Uh, my question is, you come in here, and you're telling me about, you know,


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[Assistant] You know, how long do you think it lasts? How hard work is it? And is it worth the bread? Do you make that kind of bread that everyone wants to beat us now?


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[Assistant] But there's ways to approach that business where you're in control. Because it doesn't have to take so long. What I've noticed in this town is everything is a scam. So other people get budgets, meaning it's not their money. People give them money and then they have to justify spending it so they make up jobs so they can distribute it a certain way.


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[Assistant] But because it's my spot, you know, there's no overtime for me. I can take my time. It doesn't cost.


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[Assistant] It's not that big a deal. You see, I'm chilling. You know what I'm saying? We haven't lost a dollar. We got to chill, kick it and learn more about.


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[Assistant] Each other and what we're doing. So it wasn't a bad thing anyway. And also we still got to cover it. My point is, it doesn't take that long to do it when you do it yourself.


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[Assistant] Not one interviews, 10 or 20 of you a day doing that.


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[Assistant] How much money that would yield. You understand what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] When you capture content, cause sometimes you have to keep interviewing people over and over again.


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[Assistant] If you do something scripted or something that people will watch over and over again, then you get what's called uhm, uhm, passive income.


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[Assistant] Number one, just now when we were talking, I was thinking, Dan, that's an ill document.


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[Assistant] But they, they don't even know why he's that cool dude. You know, what he represents and what he had to, you know, it's just, it's rough man, that's a rough life.


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[Assistant] So, I just saw Doc, I saw a scripted, I saw a movie, I saw different TV shows about different things like


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[Assistant] Why you don't interview your BMX peoples no more like that or focus on that as well, you know.


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[Assistant] Those kind of things. And I'm not saying that you should and, you know, you're cool. I'm just saying that's just the way my brain thinks.


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[Assistant] I wasn't like, yo, I did a movie. I don't keep talking about movies. I'm like, yo, I gotta do a network.


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[Assistant] Different ways to make it. So I gave you different variations. I was like documentary, movie, TV show.


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[Assistant] There may be a time that you don't feel like getting up and doing a fucking interview. It might happen.


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[Assistant] No, it's not, I never, listen, this is all natural, you know, and...


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[Assistant] I ain't seen nobody die from no weed, but I'm seeing people from them vapes. I'm seeing they, uhm.


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[Assistant] Their, their lungs like young pretty people just fucking up and then also shit exploding and all that shit.


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[Assistant] I don't think, honestly, because it's natural, and because it's been supposed to be perceived as so wrong, but you know, they give cannabis in hospitals now, and I know that for a fact, it makes your cancer cells weaker.


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[Assistant] You know, like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't see it, and I know Dr. Seb, you know, Seb used to have a joint in his hand all the time.


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[Assistant] And I'm not wheezing like a workout. I don't, you know, I'm 48 and I feel like I'd smoke because I'm gonna stop too. You gotta get clear, I think. But uhm, I've been saying I am for a minute.


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[Assistant] What advice would you give all these artists? Cause they're going through a lot.


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[Assistant] Like how can you, how do you tell someone that young to avoid all the things that you know is going to happen? It's just unavoidable and it's just a tragic cycle that continues to happen.


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[Assistant] And I just don't see the expectation of adults when you give someone young so much bread, so much power.


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[Assistant] To expect them to act responsibly, I just feel like the people older than them should guide them a bit different.


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[Assistant] I love my life, especially compared to what it was.


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[Assistant] You know, I get to get up when I feel like it. Like I say, I work on my dreams with the people I want to work with, my point of view. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] And if I want to be a rockstar, I have an environment to be one in. You know, I'm doing things that are productive. I'm helping the world. My girl's pregnant.


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[Assistant] That's why I respect you. Even though there's a lot of like, Postmates and shit like that.


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[Assistant] But like for a minute I was loving going to the supermarket. I did like five years of regular shit, but like just as Dame Dash.


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[Assistant] So imagine being able to be like, okay, I'm Dame Dash now and then I'm just normal, but I'm Dame Dash normal.


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[Assistant] I have that option which I've always been appreciative of. I'm not a rapper, I'm not a singer, I'm not an actor.


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[Assistant] Famous, you know what I'm saying? Like, at least famous in certain markets, in certain worlds, in, you know, certain places.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna make a billion liquid cash with my television network. I believe it.


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[Assistant] Cause that's what the television network game yields. And that's the reason why I'm playing that game.


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[Assistant] So, what I'm trying to figure out and what I'm doing is I want to make a billion dollars off what I love, no compromise, and have all the money that everyone that had to give up that soul and that, and everything they love about themselves to get there where they hate themselves.


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[Assistant] A little bit of loneliness, and then for like, you know, an hour of gratification, and then you write back doing the same thing, two, three hundred days out the year.


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[Assistant] I'm authentic because the things people pay for I create.


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[Assistant] And because I know how to package it, put it out, and I hustle smart.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm going to get all of what everyone else perceives as success, which is like the fortune.


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[Assistant] But I've already got the priceless billion that I really want, which is the ultimate happiness. Moving when you want your kids being happy. Boring. And uh, and uh, you know.


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[Assistant] Actually being able to help other people fight for the same things you believe in.


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[Assistant] But make money off that, look cool doing it. Don't have to be all granolaed out. And really again, it's always gonna be about that love.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? So again, what's the evolution of you? Where do you see you in five years? Let's say ten.


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[Assistant] But figure out what your dream ultimately is in 10 years and visualize it.


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[Assistant] And I really look and specifically see it through like I'm shooting a movie. Then I focus my energy on making that happen.


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[Assistant] And having other people focus their energy, making them dream the same dream, but them in it, where it behooves them and their independence.


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[Assistant] Anything, man. Give me some fuckin' advice. Nobody gives me any advice. I want some.


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[Assistant] Well, this is a jungle that my demographic would probably need to understand. What I wanted to do is, does anyone in the crowd have any questions? I think Hassan has a question.


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[Assistant] Here's a question I have for you. Why should he give you an interview right now?


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[Assistant] What have you done that's so interesting that he should talk to you in front of his millions of people?


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[Assistant] It's the best thing in the world to sell weed legally at some point. You just gotta get it out to the system no matter what.


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[Assistant] In front of the police and I couldn't believe it, but I had to do it. I taped it and everything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, sorry, I'll get some DDSTV, whatever, now you put your shit in motion.


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[Assistant] Cause that's, I think that's the way like, that's the way independence will make a lot of bread is by.


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[Assistant] Just exchanging resources by coming together and saying, look, here, I got distribution, just like hustling.


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[Assistant] If you got work and I got distribution and I, you know, it ain't gonna take nothing from me to let you pump on my block. Just let me pump on yours.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? Or, you know, you gotta plug pass if I got one I'll pass.


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[Assistant] The dick pill people were hollering at you or you hollered at them? Or you just was accustomed?


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[Assistant] Cause that's the way I feel like they, cause another friend of mine was telling me about the candy ones and all these other type shits. Yea, I think they're gummies, yea. It's like real normal, you know what I mean? Like, I guess my fuck is bad.


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[Assistant] So for me, if I do worry about perception, it's about like controlling the narrative of exactly what I'm doing.


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[Assistant] Like because most people can't, or at least like in my generation, can't even understand.


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[Assistant] What launching a television network means or having a movie studio means.


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[Assistant] You know, I just want to make sure when I do something, I got everything they got. Like there's no compromise, same address, you know, same kind of credibility.


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[Assistant] I got the same, you know, zoning and everything. Like when they come in, they're like, oh we just came back from Disney or Cartoon Network or whatever. That's, that's the conversation. Those, I need those to be my neighbors.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? I need, I need them to be speaking about me. I don't really, that's why I don't really care about what people are saying in games I'm not playing. You know what I'm saying? If I already played that game, y'all gonna talk about me forever cause I left and you want me to come back. So keep talking. I know the impression I left. But I got bigger fish to fry. And I'm vegan. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? So,


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[Assistant] It's like, I don't really hear none of that shit. I just wanna be around people that are doing what I wanna do. I don't really wanna hear about you unless you got what I want.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? And the only reason why I wanna hear about you is so I know how to get it from you or get it how you got it. Or we gonna click up and get it or work together. But either way, I'm on that block.


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[Assistant] But instead I'ma get a camera, I'ma get a stage, I'ma, I gotta pay salaries. Because that's my dream. 10 years, at least a million a year. That's 10 million. I better make at least 30, 40 times that. Because that's the game I'm playing. You know?


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[Assistant] The bigger the risk, the bigger the reward, and if it comes too fast, it goes too fast. You know, and I'm enjoying what I'm doing. You know what I'm saying? But like, again, also, I wanted to be in a profession or in a game that nobody that was on my nerves is in. I ain't gotta see none of these people.


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[Assistant] And then even the fuckery that's going on with Rachel Roy, I put $6 million into that business, and I gotta fight to get it back. It's my fucking family.


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[Assistant] If your socks was long, but I never was- I hated wearing pants with fucking tie all day or uniform.


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[Assistant] Alright, and I'm gonna appreciate that. You know.


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[Assistant] But anyway, so that's what Poppington is. And it's everything. It's just like, it's a reflection of our point of view. It's very basic. We make the socks. We make outerwear. We make suits. You know, we make everything. But just like everything I wear, but it's more uniform.


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[Assistant] Pretty classic, but the cut is always good and it's all made in America.


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[Assistant] And, you know, people understand who you are, to answer all culture, culture questions, credibility questions. Doing a documentary about all these things and where you come from wouldn't support exactly who you are.


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[Assistant] Ooh, this is what I wanted to ask. Hey, real quick. Who's, does he have a nemesis? You have beef with anybody? Like another, another YouTuber? Anybody know?


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[Assistant] So it's like, yo, I hate when people like, if you don't do business, you telling me I'm wack at business until you could do that.


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[Assistant] I don't really be wanting to hear what people got to say, so I get it, but whatever. But I'm saying someone that does what you do.


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[Assistant] Or someone that people know that you, uh, you know, y'all don't get along. It's like a little competition, but y'all got no problem. I never, no. Nothing? Nobody. In YouTube world? Where they boxing and having fake weddings and shit like that all day?


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[Assistant] Asking is good. So I should say, Adam on being a culture vulture.


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[Assistant] You know, cause I really don't know what's gonna be, you know what I mean? Cause I don't, I would prefer to be catchy, not on some bubblegum shit.


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[Assistant] But like on some smart shit that evolves us and it's like prolific, like we just said something that's so dope that it's, you know, cause you could go viral on dumb shit, but you could also go viral on some super dope shit.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I want to figure out how to do, you know, what do we say that was so dope that made sense that people would want to click through?


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[Assistant] So I think we got enough, you know, and I appreciate you coming through with anything you want to promote, anything you want to say.


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[Assistant] Another bypass surgery, another transplant. Nobody's bothered to think about what the repercussions are of trying to keep people alive longer and longer with such a limited ability to function.


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[Assistant] I think the biggest issue facing the population of patients is loss of function.


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[Assistant] You begin to learn that not everyone has cancer, not everyone has Alzheimer's or Parkinson's, but almost everyone loses function.


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[Assistant] And by function I mean it could be something as simple as slowly worsening vision.


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[Assistant] Or really bad arthritis in one knee that makes it harder to get around.


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[Assistant] Nobody's bothered to think about what the repercussions are of trying to keep people alive longer and longer.


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[Assistant] Another bypass surgery, another transplant, without anyone worrying about.


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[Assistant] How do you get them physical therapy? Will they ever walk again? Can they swallow their food? You know, it's not a very thoughtful way, I think, of providing healthcare.


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[Assistant] In terms of the technology that's become available and the fact that we can diagnose people and we can treat them and we can cure them in some instances, the problem I think is that the pendulum swung too far.


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[Assistant] And so the focus over time became predominantly diagnosed treat cure. Morning, how are you?


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[Assistant] Even when there's nothing, quote unquote, medical to do, you still need to be there for someone.


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[Assistant] Good morning. Early today, huh?


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[Assistant] For being able to be around and care for them and at the same time you've got a family of your own and kids and a job and career aspirations.