[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For this reason, he had been charged with exalting the last six commandments above the first four. The lawyer approached Jesus with a direct question. Which is the first commandment of all? The answer of Christ is direct and forcible. The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel. The Lord our God is one Lord, and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The first four of the ten commandments are summed up in the one great precept. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Both these commandments are an expression of the principle of love. The first cannot be kept and the second broken, nor can the second be kept while the first is broken.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When God has His rightful place on the throne of the heart, the right place will be given to our neighbor.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's not so many separate precepts, some of which are of great importance, while others are of small importance and may with impunity be ignored.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Our Lord presents the first four and the last six commandments as a divine whole and teaches that love to God.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He did not expect him to manifest so deep and thorough a knowledge of the scriptures.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He had gained a broader view of the principles underlying the sacred precepts.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The wisdom of Christ's answer had convicted the scribes.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He had some sense of the worthlessness of mere ceremonial offerings.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Appear to him of more value than all these rites.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The readiness of this man to acknowledge the correctness of Christ's reasoning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Manifested a spirit entirely different from that of the priests and rulers.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The heart of Jesus went out in pity to the honest scribe who had dared to face the frowns of the priests and the threats of the rulers to speak the convictions of his heart.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The scribe was near to the kingdom of God in that he recognized deeds of righteousness as more acceptable to God than burnt offerings and sacrifices.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Unless connected with Christ by living faith.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He must look for pardon and for power to do what the law enjoins.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This question was designed to test their belief concerning the Messiah.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To show whether they regarded him simply as a man or as the son of God. A chorus of voices answered, the son of David.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This was the title which prophecy had given to the Messiah.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When Jesus revealed his divinity by his mighty miracles, when he healed the sick and raised the dead, the people had inquired among themselves, is not this the son of David? The Syrophoenician woman.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] While riding into Jerusalem, he had been hailed with the joyful shout, Hosanna to the son of David, blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. And the little children in the temple had that day echoed the glad ascription.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But many who called Jesus the son of David did not recognize his divinity. They did not understand that the son of David was also the son of God.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Kevin Smith became an instant icon to struggling independent filmmakers in 1994 with his surprise hit, Clerks. Now with his forth writing and directing effort, he has made one of the most controversial films in recent years.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Dogma is the film that the Catholic League has been incensed about since its debut last May at Cannes. It has been both protested and praised for its biting commentary on modern day Catholicism, and here is the trailer for the film. Get it?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Kevin Smith is a writer and director and co-star of this much-talked-about comedy. He is joined by Chris Rock, one of the top comics working today. He stars in Dogman, currently host his own self-titled talk show on HBO. Welcome. Thanks. What's this so, I mean, why is this so...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, you got all these good actors, you got this script that you like a lot, you know?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] God's got a really full plate. Yeah, but you don't question, you question their, what, well, you're saying basically they're doing this for PR purposes, to raise money or whatever?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Anyone who's smashing scooters, you're lame. Stop smashing scooters. Like, it's, it's pathetic, really. Sup, scooter girl?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Welcome to this week's episode of the Sports Curious Podcast.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As usual, making me look good, making me look better. Joined by my co-host and co-founder of last night's game, Scott Scott, welcome to the podcast.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I've really got to like start maybe making some notes and really firing up some, something a little more spicy, but you know what? In all fairness, this is teamwork. You, you always make me look smart. So what works for me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, you're my go-to for all the questions around me. I don't know what the heck's going on.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You have helped me make many, many business connections because of these, this said quote unquote useless knowledge. So it works very well when you walk into.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Let's say a meeting in Chicago and all of a sudden I know these random things about the bears because of you. So don't call that useless. Call that thinking. Another tool in your tool belt of success.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Speaking of the people, the people want to talk about Father's Day. You know, Father's Day is known for


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Greeting cards that have barbecues on them, fart jokes.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's right, she has three teeth. She can't hear.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That, that is it. She's my favorite dog to buy birthday cakes for.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And the one, the one with two legs can take care of all of us when we're old.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So let's talk about, let's talk about dads. Let's talk about athletes, athletes who give us dad goals. Hashtag, you'll probably see a lot this month.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But you really do see these, these, these guys who are out there hustling and I don't think what people understand, uh, athletes are humans.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And, but they're on a time schedule. Yes, they get paid a lot of money, but.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Let's say their son's birthday's in May and you're a baseball player. Well, guess what? Tough luck. You're not going to a birthday party. You're not going to graduations. You're not going to weddings because there are no excuses. There's no way to get out of those things. There's no vacation day options. So yes, they obviously have a lot of, uh, financial availability to.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And there are some guys out there who we've kind of talked to, well, we want to talk about who really kind of stepped up.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, maybe you can kick us off by talking about the guy who's really been hitting the headlines as like super dad, LeBron James.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Their second son, and I'm blanking on his first name and you probably know it, just switched over high schools, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm also imagining that they're probably pretty decent basketball players. It's not just...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You don't get, you don't get drafted and you don't get this level of attention just because your dad is a big name. You get it because you've gotta be at least decent, you've gotta show up, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And some of the training and some of the things he does are insane. So they're watching his work ethic. So of course they've probably learned from him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh yea, surely, at least. But some of the stuff he does, like, I couldn't do... There was one where I saw him, he had one of those, I can't think what they're called. I would call them, it looks like a wobbly ski. Little flex board things, and he was...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You have to play at least one year outside of high school before you can be drafted into the NBA, correct?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I mean, I actually could see that. He seems like that kind of guy, be like, look, I'm here to just be the cheerleader. I just want to make this record.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So somebody for you I have, we're gonna stick in the basketball lane. Someone for you that gives uncle goals and dad goals. Dwayne Wade.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Retired NBA player just got into the Hall of Fame, or will get in this summer, I believe. He talks a lot about how he grew up in a challenging environment that taught him to lead with love. He's obviously married to Gabrielle Union, who's an actress who you see all over commercials.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What I really love about the two of them is they've been very open about


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Just things that are happening in their lives. They've written children's stories. They really had a hard time conceiving their youngest.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And so they've talked a lot about open. They've been very open about that. They've been very open about his daughter, Ziya, who.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, came out as transgendered in 2020 and through the process of her changing her name and transitioning, they've been so supportive.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And what I just, I love about that is I think that they've taken things that people might not want to talk about, right? They don't want to talk about, um, surrogacy. They don't want to talk about infertility.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And he's come out and said, hey, my daughter's the bravest person I know for sharing her story.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And in knowing that that's going to help someone else. And so I think, I don't know, I look at it from a parental perspective of...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What they've gone through is going to help somebody else.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I think that's such a, that's, that's brave. It's not easy to do.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I mean it really, it really continues to stick to his, his theme of lead with love, right? They're loving their kids first.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you think about it, his oldest is about 21, I believe. Uh, and so that, that makes a lot of sense.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's just, it's cool to see that, like I said, no one's perfect, but it is cool to see them really step up and share how they can help others too. Uh, one that, uh, I kind of want to talk about


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Cristiano Ronaldo, he is like, you know, people think of him as this soccer god.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it loves, from what you can tell, loves his kids, uhm, really wants to be there as much as he can, uhm, if he and his long-time girlfriend have had.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Twins born via surrogate. He, uh, has an older son, uh, Christian Aldell Jr. He was about 12.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, the, the coolest moment, which actually I have chills right now thinking about is when he, remember when he came back and it was his first soccer game after his son had passed and they were in, uh, an opposing stadium and the fans of the opposing team started singing, you'll never walk alone.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It was really, it was just such a cool thing and so I love to see that and how that happens. Let's, uhm.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Bad people in sports and you and I run last night's game where we really do try to highlight the good things in sports because there's enough bad news out there in the world. Let's talk about something good. This one's a dose of good and bad or good and maybe questionable.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, let's talk about Denver Broncos quarterback Russell Wilson. Had a little bit of a rough year last season.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And, uh, he, which some people may not know,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That he was also drafted by the Colorado Rockies. So he had a chance to be a Major League Baseball player and an NFL player. Obviously went in the NFL. He is married to singer Sierra and they have two children.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then he, uh, is the stepfather to Future's son, uh, the rapper Future's son, Future Zaire. And so...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He's obviously one of those, another one, epitome of dad goals, uh, really loves his kids, loves his family.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] has, has embraced the stepdad, he's embraced being a dad and,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All, maybe, conversation starters about that aside, he's definitely one to add to the dad goal list.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They were known for children's hospital visits. They were known for really being present and stepping up for children in the community and showing up. So fundraising aside, they gave their gift of time.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And that I think is such a huge thing and as someone who's taken professional athletes to a children's hospital.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I had a few that would go in and say, I know that baby's in ICU and I know it's a baby.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I don't, and I don't care if it's, like, I just remember, ugh, gut wrenching, one of our players, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He and his wife, we would go to the Children's Hospital and the three of us would go around together into rooms that they told us we could go into. And, um, resorties. And there was one room we walked into and the nurse said.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, I mean it was covered obviously, but keep it open in case there's an emergency. And obviously this was a long time ago pre-COVID. End.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He walked in there, he sat with the parents, he gave them hugs, like it was just one of those things where you think of these, these athletes.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They are dads, they are humans, and to see them give that kind of love to families who are in a tough spot, or give the support to kids who are going through something rough, I think that's just really so cool.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's just a really cool thing, so I would applaud them for doing those things that some players can't do and some athletes can't do because it is really uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable to see sick kids, but they sure need it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It really isn't. You saw Tom Brady did a lot of that in the last probably two years of his career. You really saw him sort of dive into that role of


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, taking kids and out of the stands and taking pictures with them and giving him game use stuff because they beat brain cancer.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's just really cool to see that they're embracing the power of their sport and realizing that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You are someone's hero, you are someone's role model, whether you like it or not.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Good advice or one-liners or a dad joke from our dad that you might pass along.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] After we can censor, I said, I said the S word already, so you're good.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I wanna make- we should make t-shirts for that. That should go in the last night's game store. No one clears work harder.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It was nothing better than, when we were, when you were with us in the car, were you and we...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Chad whines down his window and yells, BACK OF THE LINE BUTTHOLE!


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, but I do remember dad giving me the advice of don't mix your alcohols.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's true, and let's be honest, I probably learned it on my own the hard way, but I just had the advice to know I knew better.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, well dad, if you're listening and we have not embarrassed you enough already, mom's probably laughing at you right now in the car. We love you. Happy Father's Day to our dad and happy Father's Day to dog dad Scott.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm, I'm, I'm sure she will. She'll give you one of her three teeth that's left.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, well we hope that you, listening, that you get to enjoy your dad, your father figure, if you are...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No longer your death, no longer on earth with us. You know what? I hope that you enjoy their memory and happy, happy thoughts and happy celebrations in their honor.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, thank you dads, thank you parents.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, you're what keeps us here. So, uh, we'll see you next week, Scott.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You did something great on our show the last time you were here, and I was wondering if you would do it again for us. So, last time Mr. Freeman was here, he narrated a pedestrian, a person out on the street. We put a camera out on the street, and since this is really our premiere, no one tops you when it comes to narration.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I thought it might be fun to do it again. Would you be willing to try it again? Am I being set up? You are not being set up.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As far as I know, unless we are both being set up, I don't think you're being set up. But we have a camera out on the street.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Alright, the audience would like it. So here we go. Let's uh, let's take a look. Who do we have? Alright.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Do you love clicking buttons and subscribing to things? Then click the button to subscribe to my channel and you'll finally be happy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, you've talked a lot about, uhm, computing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, half the world thinks that everything is a computer, the other half the world thinks everything is communications.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What about the half the world that thinks that everything is communications? Have you been doing any work?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] With entanglement and communication systems.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Or maybe- I would think Joe Smith. Joe Smith, Mike, Mike, Mike Smith. Maybe. Yeah, there's a lot of them. Mike White. By the way, how come every-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] By the way, one other thing, I'm waiting for the day where we're introducing the guests that are coming on, and Jay says, you know, coming on today's show from, uh, CBS Sports, it's Joe Schmoe, he sucks, but we got, we're having one. No, here's the thing, if I don't say this person's a


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, feeling okay? Let me tell you something. I went for a massage yesterday. Yes. Wow. My Achilles is the best it's felt in six months. No kidding. Did you ever tear it?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, I tore my left Achilles 10 years ago. Yeaah. A full tear.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, but, about six months ago, I was, I was walking a lot.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And all of a sudden my achilles really started barking. So I went to my, uh, orthopedist. Orthopedist? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he checked it out. He's like, yeah, they went for an MRI or whatever the hell I did. And he's like, there's slight tiny tears, but they don't repair that. That's got to like replace on its own. So I've been doing physical therapy and all this worked on that achilles. She worked on it for like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Jay, I say their record will be four and four. Uhm, I think you need Jacobi, Grissette to hold the fort 500. I think it possibly goes five and three. I was kind of in between the two, but I'll say four and four for the Browns with Jacobi.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] A couple of things here. First of all, I take issue with Florio using the word the Browns are bracing. Because to me that indicates something they were not prepared for until recently. And like, how could they have not been prepared? Like, if you want to argue they weren't prepared for a full season suspension, okay, I can see that. But, for a while now, I'm sure they


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Column that Florio had, he did have a little nugget at the end where he said there's been, I don't remember exactly how he put it, but basically he said there's been some rumors or rumblings that the Browns might talk to Cam Newton. And we brought up Cam Newton a while ago guys.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I was thinking about this. In the end, uh, I know, and I know Tyvis wants to talk about it too, so I'll leave this part. If they're not going to trade for Garoppolo, which I know you want them.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As long as it's, uh, you know, not a full year suspension. I'm just taking 1% over Cam Newton or, I mean, you could bring in like an A.J. McCarran or, uh, uh, what's his name, the tall, dopey guy, used to be on the Buccaneers.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Michael Lennon, thank you. Here's the reason I would rather bring in one of those guys than Cam Newton.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because, Cam Newton is gonna make mistakes. Cam Newton, right, like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know how we talk about Baker thinks he's better than he is? Well, Cam Newton was better than he is.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Presset's not gonna turn the ball, make terrible mistakes. Not that he'll never make a mistake. He's not gonna make those egregious mistakes. He knows how to run an offense, he's a pro, he's a veteran. I think it makes sense, unless you're gonna go Garoppolo, to stick with Presset.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] By the way, this is, you know, we talked about this year being a referendum for Kevin Stefanski. Right. But in a way, in the games that Watson doesn't play, it's a referendum on the whole roster. Because we keep talking, this is a great roster, this is a great roster. Well, if it's that great, they better win some games without them. Right, but it's also going to be really tough to judge them


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I mean, those are all really good teams. The Patriots are the worst of those four teams.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And they're a decent team. And unlike the first four, those teams also have Super Bowl caliber rosters, except for maybe New England. The Chargers, Bengals, and Ravens do, but they also have much better quarterbacks than Jacoby Percival. Yeah, but they, but they got, look.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Charles, I've talked about in this show a few times how these decisions in the past have always been made by the league based on emotion.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Right? And now, in this case, because this is being done by a judge and being treated like a real court proceeding, it's not being done by emotion, it's being done by fact.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Or, I guess, fact and opinion, but educated opinion. So, in the past where I think,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The league was worried about the fan reaction to the suspension. I think in this case, if she puts a smaller suspension, let's say it's only four games.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And there's some people outraged by that. I do think though, if the league tries to bigfoot her and says, well that's not enough, we're gonna spend them 12 games, I think there'll be a lot of backlash from fans that are angry about that. And so I don't think they will do it because of that, I don't know, am I crazy?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] By the way, James Smith is the most common, uh, James Smith? Men's name in America. And Maria Garcia is the most common women's name.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I gotta tell you guys, like, Robert, I'm someone, and these guys know this, but you don't, like, I grew up in New York City, I'm 50 years old, so like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Where I grew up, nobody cared about college football. There's no good teams in New York. Nobody cared. And so like moving to, you know, and then I, when I started my career, I was working in the Syrac, you know, near Syracuse. And so we got it, even though their football sucked, but they were all right back in those days. Who was their coach again? They had that one coach.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] My beef with college football these days, even though I like watching individual games in the good matchups, is just what he said. It's like, who you gonna pick? Jay's like, I'm nervous. They're number two, three, four, five. I mean, they're in the mix every year. They're number one this year. There's like four every year. There's like five, maybe six teams at the most.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That you really think can win a national title. Every once in a while there's a team that comes out of nowhere, but they almost never win. I find the lack of diversity in winning to be boring.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Robert, you know, nowadays we see players more often


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Retire when they're still good. But I think back to when you did it, I think back to when Barry Sanders did it or even a little more recently.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When Calvin Johnson retired in the prime of his career and Andrew Luck, of course, famously.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe, like, your last year in the league, I think was your best statistical season, if I remember. Like, you were, there was no decline. It wasn't even like, hey, it started to go over the cliff a little bit. Talk about that decision, and did you ever regret it?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I rooted for the Cubs. I rooted for the Bengals. I was a Bengals fan growing up in New York.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Wow. Yeah, it's bizarre. Even though I could never watch them, like I never, you know, cause I didn't have cable till I, you know, till I was an adult. So I could never watch, I don't even know if they were on cable, but I never watched the Cubs and Bengals unless they were playing the Jets, the Giants, or the Mets.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, but yeah, I grew the only New York team I ha St john's and basketball.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hey, I wanted to get Robert, I wanted your thoughts on, on the Browns' backfield cause, you know. Oh man. I mean it's amazing the talent they, I, we look at a guy like, even like the Ernest Johnson who's the third back. When he got his chance last year he looked awesome.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, Leroy's last season in 99 in Minnesota, he had a lot of touchdowns there, a lot of rushing touchdowns. I think he had like, including the playoffs, I think he had like 15, 16 touchdowns, something like that in 99.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, double-digit yards, I'm saying. Double-digit yards, but all your touchdowns are nine yards or less, except for one.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Change the game. Lawrence Taylor changed it on the other side. Uh, you know, maybe Walter Payton, maybe Marshall Falk. Michael Vick. Michael Vick?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, it's funny, you know, I didn't, in my mind, I didn't think of Randall Cunningham as, as much of a runner as Michael Vick, but he, but he kind of was. Yeah, he was. You know what?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There was, black quarterbacks were not given an opportunity.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Brownstone, boom, boom, boom, around stone.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yo, yo, yo, you know my name. And now that you're called, you gotta play my game. It's really quite simple, as you can see.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All you have to do is leave a message for me. Now you may laugh or you may frown, but don't forget to put your number down. Don't forget the time and don't forget your name or you will drive me completely insane. Well to wrap it all up. Hey, I'm not home. So please leave a message after the tone.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] My friend and I, back in the day, in addition to that, we made, we started making like parody songs, like Weird Al, like we had a song called Dead Mouses.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, we had Pump instead of Jump by Van Halen. And we had the Richard Romano rap, where we made fun of a guy who ran for school president in our junior high school. We just made fun of him. Which was not nice.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Alright, quick analysis here. The, the Sky never lose at home. They've only lost two at home all season long. But their point guard is out for the game. She's out, although I'm taking the Sky because Seattle's got to travel. They beat, uh, Seattle beat them last time. You, you had to look all that up. Of course I looked it up. I did my research.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You guys are lost. I don't know why Masetti is favored. Emil, whatever his last name is, is 20 spots higher in the ATP ranking.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's a good point. That's a fair point. Alright, let me start here. You know, uhm, a big thing these days is paying online, right? Using those apps. And, uh, I just forgot, uh, Venmo, right? So Venmo or PayPal or whatever. So here's what I understand. Like, I usually use PayPal.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] My wife uses Venmo, and the other day, uhm, she was paying somebody via Venmo, I don't even remember what the reason. And I'm looking, and we're sitting in the car, and she shows me her Venmo app, and I'm like, what are all these, like, what look like social media posts? Do you guys have Venmo?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I'm like, it's, it says, uh, Jennifer paid $13 to clean her kitten.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I said to my wife, why are you seeing all these messages? And she's like, well there's nothing I can do, I can't shut it off.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I said, people are actually, like, what is this, Twitter? And we're posting messages that I paid 13 bucks for a cat? Or I gave my husband 20 dollars towards the check account? Which is weird, that a wife and husband would not be sharing a check account. That's a little odd to me. I'm taking that money.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You keeping it real? Uh, it's already ridiculous enough what we all share. I mean, like I share way too much on the show and we all share way too much on social media. But why would any, if you are putting publicly everything you put on Venmo, you're a loser. I mean, it's really that simple. Who gives a crap who you're paying? Why do people


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And the final thing is when he called Cardell Jones on the phone before the show and had him on speaker and Cardell Jones, I was like, that's what Cardell Jones sounds like. I don't remember him talking at all. I feel like he, I never remember him talking. His voice sounded not what I, I was like, that doesn't sound like Cardell Jones. I think time is talking to someone else.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's all real. I mean, fair, there's a lot of people that have gotten rich off of, uh, fairy tale conspiracy theories.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'd always find my way home. You should take more care, sir. It's dangerous to send.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I wish there was a big red apple hanging on a tree.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh. But it wasn't me they were scared of.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Mister, I swear I don't know how you've lived as long as you have.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This don't make no sense to me in any particular. But, let her go.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like I told your friend, never turn your back on anything. Especially a woman.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Who is it? It used to be Packard, the express company fella.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For a second I thought you might be that Monty Jarrett at that camping.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I ain't gonna help you with it none. I'm gonna make you ask about it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We can't stand for this from nobody, George.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Take money in jest. Those who take it, take it to keep.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today we are here with Toronto's very own Kili.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, you having a good time out here? Yeah. You've only been here for what, like three, four days?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Blunt policies here are very lax. What's, what's Toronto like with the weed? They still throw you in jail or what?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, but wait, the other day I saw Lil Pump smoking a blunt and like a two year old walked by. That was kinda weird, yeaah. I was like, maybe we shouldn't smoke weed this crazy in public.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, uh, what area? You're originally from Toronto.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What was that transition like? British Columbia vs. Toronto?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Right. Well, you get to understand all the white kids that you're currently getting to watch your videos on YouTube.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But you don't feel like you experienced it yourself, like, like just because your skin wasn't as dark?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Right, so then you moved back to Toronto and is it just like, is that when you, did you start making music while you were out in Vancouver or did you do it?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And so that's what's interesting about that, stat wise. It came out in February. It hit a million views 20 days ago. It's right now at 3.5 million.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yes, cause it's like the fifth right now and I was looking at your Instagram and you were all hyped that it hit a million on the 15th of July.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Damn. I think. That's lit. I'm pretty sure I'm right. That's insane. That's life. It took from February until 20 days ago for it to a million. And then you got two and a half times that many views in the past 20 days. I'm no mathematician, but that just means...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Did you have anyone, uh, help into like guide you with the music to show you what was possible?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's Aldi, eh? Yeaah, just like the kid. How old is he? How old is yours? Oh, my kid's ten. Comes about to hear on me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He was creating art that was inspired by another dimension.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When the bell is finished, I descend the stairs, a brief waif in the eye of glass that hangs on the downstairs wall. The clock ticks with its pendulum, keeping time. My feet and their neat red shoes count the way down. The sitting room door is wide open. I go in. So far no one else is here. I don't sit, but take my place, kneeling.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Near the chair with the footstool where Serena Joy will shortly enthrone herself. Leaning on her cane while she lowers herself down. Possibly she'll put a hand on my shoulder to steady herself. As if I'm a piece of furniture. She's done it before.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The sitting room would once have been called a drawing room, perhaps, then a living room. Or maybe it's a parlor, the kind with a spider and flies. But now, it's officially a sitting room, because that's what is done in it, by some. For others, there's standing room only.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Money has trickled through this room for years and years, as if through an underground cavern, crusting and hardening like stalactites into these forms.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Mutely the varied surfaces present themselves. The dusk rose velvet of the drawn drapes. The gloss of the matching chairs. Eighteenth century. The cow's tongue hush of the tufted Chinese rug on the floor. With its peach pink peonies. The suave leather of the commander's chair. The glint of brass on the box beside it. The rug is authentic. Some things in this room are authentic, some are not.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For instance, two paintings. Both of women, one on either side of the fireplace. Both wear dark dresses, like the ones in the old church, though of a later date. The paintings are possibly authentic.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I suspect that when Serena Joy acquired them, after it became obvious to her that she'd have to redirect her energies into something convincingly domestic.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] She had the intention of passing them off as ancestors. Or maybe they were in the house when the commander bought it. There's no way of knowing such things. In any case, there they hang, their backs and mouths stiff, their breasts constricted, their faces pinched, their caps starched, their skin grayish-white, guarding the room with their narrowed eyes. Between them, over the mantle, there's an oval mirror, flanked by two pairs of silver candlesticks,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] With a white china cupid centered between them. Its arm around the neck of a lamb.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The tastes of Serena Joy are a strange blend. Hard lust for quality, soft sentimental cravings.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's a dried flower arrangement on either end of the mantelpiece, and a vase of real daffodils on the polished marquetry end table beside the sofa. The room smells of lemon oil, heavy cloth, fading daffodils.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The leftover smells of cooking that have made their way from the kitchen or the dining room, and of Serena Joy's perfume, Lily of the Valley. Perfume is a luxury. She must have some private source. I breathe it in, thinking I should appreciate it. It's the scent of prepubescent girls.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Of the gifts young children used to give their mothers for Mother's Day.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The smell of white cotton socks and white cotton petticoats. Of dusting powder. Of the innocence of female flesh, not yet given over to hairiness and blood.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It makes me feel slightly ill, as if I'm in a closed car on a hot muggy day, with an older woman wearing too much face powder. This is what the sitting room is like, despite its elegance. I would like to steal something from this room. I would like to take some small thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The scrolled ashtray, the little silver pillbox from the mantle perhaps, or a dried flower.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hide it in the folds of my dress or in my zippered sleeve. Keep it there until this evening is over. Secret it in my room, under the bed, or in a shoe. Or in a slit, in the hard, petty point, faith cushion. Every once in a while, I would take it out and look at it. It would make me feel that I have power. But such a feeling would be an illusion. And too risky.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] My hands stay where they are, folded in my lap, thighs together, heels tucked underneath me, pressing up against my body, head lowered. In my mouth, there's the taste of toothpaste, fake mint, and plaster.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I wait for the household to assemble. Household. That is what we are. The commander is the head of the household. The house is what he holds. To have and to hold till death do us part. The hold of a ship. Hollow.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Cora comes in first, then Rita, wiping her hands on her apron. They too have been summoned by the bell. They resent it. They have other things to do. The dishes, for instance. But they need to be here. They all need to be here. The ceremony demands it. We are all obliged to sit through this. One way or another.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Rita scowls at me before slipping in to stand behind me. It's my fault, this waste of her time. Not mine, but my body's, if there is a difference. Even the commander is subject to its whims.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Nick walks in, nods to all three of us, looks around the room. He too takes his place behind me, standing. He's so close that the tip of his boot is touching my foot. Is this on purpose? Whether it is or not, we are touching. Two shapes of leather. I feel my shoe soften. Blood flows into it. It grows warm. It becomes a skin. I move my foot slightly, away.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hurry up and wait, says Nick. He laughs, moves his foot so it's touching mine again. No one can see beneath the folds of my outspread skirt. I shift. It's too warm in here. The smell of stale perfume makes me feel a little sick.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We hear Serena coming down the stairs along the hall. The muffled tap of her cane on the rug, thud of the good foot. She hobbles through the doorway, glances at us, counting but not seeing. She nods at Nick, but says nothing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] She's in one of her best dresses. Sky blue with embroidery in white along the edges of the veil. Flowers and fretwork.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Even at her age, she still feels the urge to wreath herself in flowers.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No use for you, I think at her. My face unmoving. I can't use them anymore. You're withered.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] She makes her way to her chair and footstool, turns, lowers herself, lands ungracefully. She hoists her left foot onto the stool, fumbles in her sleeve pocket. I can hear the rustling, the click of her lighter. I smell the hot singe of the smoke, breathe it in. Late as usual, she says. We don't answer. There's a clatter as she gropes on the lamp table, then a click, and the television set runs through its warmup. A male choir,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] With greenish-yellow skin, the color needs adjusting. They're singing. Come to the church in the wildwood.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Come, come, come, come, sing the basses. Serena clicks the channel changer. Waves, colored zigzags, a garble of sound. It's the Montreal Satellite Station being blocked. Then there's a preacher. Ernest.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] These days they look a lot like businessmen. Serena gives him a few seconds, then clicks onward. Several blank channels, then the news. This is what she's been looking for. She leans back, inhales deeply. I, on the contrary, lean forward. A child being allowed up late with the grownups. This is the one good thing about these evenings. The evenings of the ceremony.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm allowed to watch the news. It seems to be an unspoken rule in this household. We always get here on time. He's always late. Serena always lets us watch the news. Such as it is. Who knows if any of it is true. It could be old clips. It could be faked. But I watch it anyway, hoping to be able to read beneath it. Any news now is better than none.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] First, the front lines. They're not lines, really. The war seems to be going on in many places at once. Wooded hills seen from above, the trees a sickly yellow. I wish you'd fix the color.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The Appalachian Highlands, says the voiceover, where the angels of the apocalypse, fourth division, are smoking out a pocket of Baptist gorillas.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] With air support from the 21st Battalion of the Angels of Light. We are shown two helicopters, black ones with silver wings painted on the sides. Below them, a clump of trees explodes.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now a close shot of a prisoner, with a stubbled and dirty face, flanked by two angels in their neat black uniforms.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The prisoner accepts a cigarette from one of the angels, puts it awkwardly to his lips with his bound hands. He gives a lopsided little grin. The announcer is saying something, but I don't hear it. I look into this man's eyes, trying to decide what he's thinking. He knows the camera is on him. Is the grin a show of defiance or is it submission? Is he embarrassed at having been caught? They show us only victories, never defeats. Who wants bad news?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He gazes out at us from the screen, looking, with his tan and his white hair and candid eyes. Wise wrinkles around them, like everybody's ideal grandfather.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What he's telling us, his level smile implies, is for our own good. Everything will be alright soon. I promise. There will be peace. You must trust. You must go to sleep like good children. He tells us what we long to believe. He's very convincing. I struggle against him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now he's telling us that an underground espionage ring has been cracked by a team of eyes working with an inside informant.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The ring has been smuggling precious national resources over the border into Canada.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Five members of the heretical sect of Quakers have been arrested, he says, smiling blandly, and more arrests are anticipated. Two of the Quakers appear on screen, a man and a woman. They look terrified, but they're trying to preserve some dignity in front of the camera. The man has a large dark mark on his forehead.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The woman's veil has been torn off and her hair falls in strands over her face. Both of them are about 50.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now we can see a city again from the air. This used to be Detroit. Under the voice of the announcer there's the thunk of artillery from the skyline columns of smoke ascend.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Resettlement of the Children of Ham is continuing on schedule, says the reassuring pink face back on the screen.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Three thousand have arrived this week in National Homeland 1, with another two thousand in transit. How are they transporting that many people at once? Trains? Buses? We are not shown any pictures of this. National Homeland 1 is in North Dakota.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Lord knows what they're supposed to do once they get there. Farm is the theory.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Serena Joy has had enough of the news. Impatiently, she clicks the button for a station change, comes up with an aging bass baritone, his cheeks like emptied udders. Whispering hope is what he's singing. Serena turns him off. We wait. The clock in the hall ticks. Serena lights another cigarette. I get into the car. It's a Saturday morning. It's a September. We still have a car.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Other people have had to sell theirs. My name isn't offered. I have another name, which nobody uses now because it's forbidden. I tell myself it doesn't matter. Your name is like your telephone number, useful only to others. But what I tell myself is wrong. It does matter. I keep the knowledge of this name like something hidden. Some treasure I'll come back to dig up.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Some charm that survived from an unimaginably distant past.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I lie in my single bed at night, with my eyes closed, and the name floats there behind my eyes, not quite within reach, shining in the dark.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's a Saturday morning in September. I'm wearing my shining name. The little girl who is now dead sits in the back seat with her two best dolls, her stuffed rabbit, Mangy with age and love. I know all the details. They are sentimental details, but I can't help that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I can't think about the rabbit too much though. I can't start to cry. Here on the Chinese rug. Breathing in the smoke that has been inside Serena's body. Not here. Not now. I can do that later.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And in fact, there is a picnic basket on the backseat beside her, with real food in it, hard-boiled eggs, thermos and all. We didn't want her to know where we were really going. We didn't want her to tell, by mistake, reveal anything if we were stopped. We didn't want to lay upon her the burden of our truth.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I wore my hiking boots she had on her sneakers. The laces of the sneakers had a design of hearts on them. Red, purple, pink, and yellow.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It was warm for the time of year. The leaves were turning already, some of them.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Luke drove. I sat beside him. The sun shone. The sky was blue. The houses as we passed them looked comforting and ordinary. Each house as it was left behind, vanishing into past time. Crumbling in an instant, as if it had never been. Because I would never see it again. Or so I thought then.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We have almost nothing with us. We don't want to look as if we're going anywhere far or permanent. We have the forged passports, guaranteed, worth the price. We couldn't pay in money, of course, or put it on the CompuCount.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We used other things. Some jewelry that was my grandmother's. A stamp collection Luke inherited from his uncle. Such things can be exchanged for money in other countries. When we get to the border, we'll pretend we're just going over on a day trip. The fake visas are for a day. Before that, I'll give her a sleeping pill so she'll be asleep when we cross. That way she won't betray us. You can't expect a child to lie convincingly.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I don't want her to feel frightened, to feel the fear that is now tightening my muscles, tensing my spine.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Pulling me so taut that I'm certain I would break if touched. Every stoplight is an ordeal. We'll spend the night at a motel, or, better, sleeping in the car on a side road, so there will be no suspicious questions. We'll cross in the morning, drive over the bridge, easily, just like driving to the supermarket. We turn onto the freeway, head north, flowing with not much traffic.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Since the war started, gas is expensive and in short supply. Outside the city, we pass the first checkpoint. All they want is a look at the license. Luke does it well. The license matches the passport. We thought of that. Back on the road, he squeezes my hand, glances over at me. You're white as a sheet, he says. That is how I feel. White. Flat. Thin. I feel transparent.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They will slip through my arms as if I'm made of smoke, as if I'm a mirage fading before their eyes.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Don't think that way, Moira would say. Think that way and you'll make it happen. Cheer up, says Luke. He's driving a little too fast now. The adrenaline's gone to his head. Now he's singing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Even his singing worries me. We've been warned not to look too happy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You've got multiple nominations here tonight and an incredible last year for you. What does it mean to be


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] At the Grammys, you grew up not far from here, walking down this carpet going into the Staples Center tonight.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So now you are co-writing and singing the theme for a Bond movie. Is that done?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When you visualize it, then it comes to fruition.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Thanks for being so cool as we chat throughout the year on the radio, different events. Good luck tonight. I have a feeling you're going to be up on that stage. Billie Eilish. Dude, she says, dude.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] People up north don't act that way. They watch their money. And their father's money.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Then what? Then, you got a few dollars to lend me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Why would, Papa? Only, uh, Ben keeps me so busy at the store that...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He keeps driving me all the time. Not only at the store, he's always bossing me around. Never lets me do what I want. How can he stop you? I need five dollars for something.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I wasn't riding with the clan boys, honest. I was thinking about it, but I give you my word as a gentleman.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Ben, help me please. I can't live on eleven dollars a week. I want to get married. I'm deeply and sincerely


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But it might amuse you having a member of the lower classes mixing with the gentry. And it'd make Ben awful man.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I know. His father, Mozart, talked about Mozart.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Of course you would, with me. You do love me, don't you honey? Tell me you love me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Lorette just loves music. Don't you, Lorette?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We bring Loretta here to get Ben mad. Then he gets it drunk and you get mad. That's just what he wanted you to do. The joke's kinda on you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Will you tell him the next time he gets in at four o'clock in the morning that I'll be waiting for him in the rolling pin? Don't forget you're having dinner with us tonight. Goodbye, Bob.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, there he goes. Say, what kept you so late?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh, don't hold out on me, Bob. I've got eyes and I've got ears. And I've been watching and listening to both of you ever since Reynolds and Oliver were killed.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The education was the big thing. And if they had time for sports, then spend as much time as they wanted, as long as they got their schoolwork done.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Before he was born, he was never still. He was jumping around. And then as soon as he was born, he was on the go all the time. And it sounded as if he was just trying to talk too fast.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As a college player, he was incomparable. He had a presence on the court that was so intimidating and engulfing that this cloud hung over the gym wherever he was. I was not a fun person to be around.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Throw down your weapons, or I'll spill your guts on the road! And you, my bonnie boy, you can step down and hold my-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He knew that he could help us with this limited amount of time that he would play, and he did exactly what we asked him to do.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I know a girl in New Orleans. She has a little embroidery shop on Royal Street. Oh, Oscar, it's what I've always wanted to do. Fancy embroidery. Well, you won't. Why, Oscar, I like doing it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Ah, the chaplain sends his apologies. He was gonna come and pray for you, but he's been took up himself. Robbing the collection and buggering the altar boys. Well, every man to his taste. Would you like me to hear your confession, Mo?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Just step up there, please. You've been approved to become a member of the Millwood 4-H club. Please raise your right hand and repeat the 4-H pledge after me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] My health to better living for my club, my community and my country.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I herewith declare you a member in good standing of the 4-H Club of Millwood.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I thank the glorious introduction and I say thank you. It's always fun to be back at Stanford and it's fun to be in this particular lecture hall. I gave a talk here many years ago, so it's kind of fun to be back knocking around Stanford again.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Our relationships with, through and of technology. This is really a talk about the kind of construction of the socio-technical imagination. This isn't a talk about ethnography. This isn't a talk about HCI. So you're going to have to bear with me because I'm going to take you on a rapid and somewhat fast-paced journey through the last 500 years of history.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Lots of ways to introduce me. Michael certainly gave you one. I am indeed the Director of Interaction and Experience Research at Intel. I have been at Intel 15 years, two weeks ago. My job there has always been to bring stories from outside the building into the building.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And to talk about what it is that motivates people, what they care about, what frustrates them, what's important to them, what they wish for, for their families and their kids and their communities and their cultures. And then we use all of that at Intel to help shape the next generation of technology production.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I came to Intel in a kind of roundabout way. I was indeed an anthropologist. I did my PhD here. I studied Native American studies as my undergraduate degree. And then in true Australian fashion, I met a man in a bar.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, and the man did not marry me, which was good also. Uhm, but he did introduce me to Intel and to a different set of preoccupations. But long before I did that, I'm also the child of an anthropologist. So I grew up on my mother's field sites in central and northern Australia.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I spent most of the 1970s and 1980s living with indigenous people who remembered their country before white fellas came and who at the drop of a hat would take my brother and I bush and we spent most of


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, my childhood, not in school, not wearing shoes, not speaking English and killing anything around me that moved for my supper.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, thus far none of those skills have stood me in good stead at Intel. I remain hopeful.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And when I think about the notion of the fact that my work at Intel and indeed many of us who work in the HCI field, our work is to think about what that intersection looks like, right? And to think about how it is we shape.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Technologies and technical systems that will in some ways, comport to humans rather than making humans do all the work the other way around.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I think in addition to the practical work of building technologies and building systems, there's also a piece that all of us engage in and you will engage in as you leave this building and you go into the rest of your lives, is that it's also about shaping the imagination. It's not just about physically building things, it's about what are the stories we tell about what technology does.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now, those of you who don't know William Gibson, he is, you know, probably one of our more distinguished social science writers. He certainly gave us a whole series of tropes that many of us operate in today when we think about how data is configured, when we think about our relationships to many things. William Gibson is one of them.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And a socio-technical one at that. So, when I think about charting the socio-technical imagination, I think about the stories we tell about technology. This was a starting point for me. But truthfully, when I really started thinking about this work, it had to do with this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, so this is a piece of video that turned up on YouTube at this point about two Christmases ago. So in December of, what would that be, 2011, uhm, it showed a Furby.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Most of you in this room are not old enough to remember the original one, but it was a little talky thing, and it's little eyelashes, flashes, and it's ears went and made horrible squeaking sound. This is a Furby talking to Siri. So Apple's first generation speech recognition personal assistant object. This is 47 seconds of video in which predictably the Furby goes, and Siri says, would you like me to call Shell Oil? And the Furby goes,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now, this is obviously funny, but it also captured me and I couldn't let go of it. And I spent multiple days wanting to show this video to everyone I knew. And I realised that part of what made it appealing to me is that this is actually not just an amusing piece of video, this is in fact encoding a very particular moment in our relationships to technology.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Cause this is actually about genealogy, right? This is about three different kinds of genealogy. The first one is this is a story about talking things. It's like granddaddy talking thing and baby talking thing. Cause clearly the Furby and the Siri, slightly more sophisticated in that, you know, generational transformation, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's also a genealogy in the classic anthropological sense, I think the tree of humanity.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The Furby talks, what the Siri proposes to do is listen.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And as soon as you have that transformation, you have the promise of something that listens to you. It's effectively, for better or worse, and in this case possibly not implemented excellently, it is the promise of something that has a relationship with you, because it's listening to you and responding to you. Ultimately, it is something that promises to take care of you. It will anticipate your needs and deliver something to you. And I went to my engineers and I said, listen, I think this is


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Imperfectly, pointing to the beginning of a move from human computer interaction to human computer relationships.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And what this actually does is signal the beginning of a significant paradigm shift in the way we ought to be thinking about ourselves and machines. And my engineers, who are lovely people, said to me, no.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What do you mean, no? They're like, no. Like, why no? They're like, well, if we have a relationship with machines, nothing good will come of it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like, what does that mean? They're like, well, if machines are smart enough to have a relationship with us, you know what happens next. And I'm like, no. They're like, death.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like I'm sorry, how have we gone from human-computer interaction to death? And they're like, it's really quite simple. As soon as they're smart enough to take care of us, they're smart enough to kill us.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I realised that what this was also pointing to me was a third thing, right? This was also about a genealogy of anxiety.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That somehow we had gotten to a moment where we could do this in our heads. We could go from happy perky Furby, who really doesn't mean a lot of harm, to Siri, who's voice recognition to that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because that's what people were doing. There was a slippage and a slippery slope that went from saying, it's fine for an object to talk, it's probably okay for an object to listen. At the moment an object can start having a relationship with us and that object is a machine. Death. And I'm like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And so I've spent the last 18 months trying to make sense of that because that for me is a really interesting move, right? How do we chart where that fear comes from? Because rationally, you know, Siri does not want to kill you. The Furby definitely didn't want to kill you. Chances are Google Plus doesn't want to kill you either.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So why is it that we imagine that they are portents of like, the end of the world? Or at least the end of us.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I realised that part of what's going on here is what I actually think is the first move that happens. The move that gets us to a moment of fearing a relationship is actually about the death of magic. And to get to that moment you have to go back in time.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And you have to look at the emergence of three critical technologies in the 1600s, late 1500s, early 1600s, that profoundly shaped our relationships to the world. The first one of those objects is actually the watch. This is the very first watch.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Before 1530, if you lived in pretty much any major metropolitan centre around the world, there were different ways by which time was reckoned.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you lived in the West, you lived in a medieval village or a medieval city-state town. There was a large clock tower somewhere in that town. It was possibly associated with a church and it chimed the time.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It told you that it was the middle of the day. It sometimes told you it was time to pray. If you were in that township, you heard time.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Time was something you couldn't escape. It happened, you know, over a 300 year period. We went from time being a very diffuse thing to clock towers that originally started in churches and then become secular things. But if you lived in a town, which indeed was where most people lived in the 1500s, you heard time. Time was around you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you lived in other parts of the world, there are other ways of knowing time. There were other kinds of clocks in Islamic countries. There were water clocks. Those also made time visible in all kinds of ways. But you had to go to see that time or hear it. What the watch does is time suddenly becomes personal. Time now follows you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know what time it is when you don't hear the time because you have the time in your pocket.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And effectively you start to be regulated by that notion of time because there are obligations about it. As soon as you carry time with you, you have no excuse for being tardy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you carry a watch, not only does it say that you know how to be timely, but it says you care about punctuality. And a whole kind of notion here of what had in some ways been diffuse and free-floating, i.e. the notion of time, suddenly regulates us. So along comes the watch.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Time is on our bodies. Sure, initially it starts that time is only in the hands of wealthy people.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So the first thing that happens to start making magic disappear is that we put time in our hands. Second thing is a man named Galileo.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Riffing on some technology that had been built by some of his colleagues six months before in a different city, for a different king, effectively invents something called the telescope.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And the telescope makes possible the second important piece of the death of magic because what the telescope lets us know is where our place in the world is.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And one of the consequences of that over the next 40 or 50 years is that we suddenly realise that the Earth is no longer the centre of everything. The Earth is merely part of a much larger planetary system.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The third thing that happens in this same time period about 10 years later, 15 years later, with again Galileo in play, is the invention of the microscope.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And suddenly, same lens technology, what happens?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We've become able to examine the world around us, not the planetary scale.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But effectively not quite yet, but the molecular scale. And we start to see that all these things that seemed unknowable can be dissected down into little tiny component pieces. And what appeared to be


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In some ways unknowable becomes infinitely knowable.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And the microscope starts to be a way of unpacking the world around us. The constellation of all of those things of.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The personalizing of time, of a capacity to know our place in the world and know what the world around us happens signals a really important intellectual shift in the post-enlightenment world. It signals effectively the beginning of the scientific revolution.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] A revolution we're all still living in, right? A moment that said we can make sense of the world. We can know things. We can chart things. We can start to see the rules by which the world operates on a massive scale and on a micro scale. And we can start to see the patterns. We can start to hypothesize rules.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We can start to say when this happens this other thing happens or inside this is this thing here and that thing is inside other things too.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And suddenly what had been deeply mysterious becomes knowable and known, and the project of knowing things, of making sense of things, is a project that arguably has occupied the West for, well, nearly 400 years since then.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Says, first in French and then in Latin, which is interesting, so he's writing for his colleagues before he writes for the intelligentsia. He says, I think therefore I am.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And creates the moment where the most important thing about being human is our cognitive capacity.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's our capacity for rational thought. It's our capacity to make this notion of the scientific revolution true. It is our capacity for knowing things. It's not, I feel therefore I am. It's not, I emote therefore I am. It's not, I am God's child therefore I am. It is, I think therefore I am.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And in this moment, moving forward in the 1600s, what you see is a progressive sense that we can make sense of the world and that the quest to make sense of the world is good.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] One of the other remarkable unintended consequences of that move is that the notion of things being magical, of unknowable things, of things being mysterious, of things moving to their own accord,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Some people talk about this as the moment we killed God, which is probably putting too fine a point on it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But there is a really interesting thing here that happens as we start to privilege.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So we had this kind of extraordinary moment of the death of magic. Yes sir.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You start to create technologies, and those technologies proliferate.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And from the 1500s into the 1600s there was a proliferation of machinery and technologies. Built systems. Uh, you know.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To the contemporary moment, we know that this headline, not an unusual one, your coffee machine could attack you at any time. So somehow we got to that, right? And I think there's a series of technical moves that get us there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, lots of people who are good with fiddly bits, nowhere to put their fiddly bits. Kind of an issue. And there are a series of people who appear in the early to late 1600s, but really this comes to the fore in the 1700s, who made automatons.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Who basically took the thing that was interesting about a watch and a clock, it was self powered, it moved, you could wind it up and it did things, and started to reconfigure those from being watches to being objects.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There were things that played violins, there were a whole series of automatons. Probably the most famous and I would argue most interesting of the automaton makers was a man named Jacques de Vaucoussin.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, he used cowhide, just in case you briefly worried about what you might glove mechanical hands in, in the 1600s. The answer is, you know, cowhide, but he wanted the feel of flesh hitting the keys, hitting the strikes on a flute, right, because that was, as far as he was concerned, important. This object, however, is the one that makes him, well, deeply special.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So in 1736, he released on the world something called le canard digester, the digesting duck. So how many of you in the room have actually been in the presence of a duck? Okay, good.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because it was really important to him that in addition to waddling, this duck little beak went clack clack clack. He thought she should be able to feed this duck. Thought that would be excellent.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Digestion sound right? You couldn't use metal pipes because they rusted. So that was bad. So he actually made vulcanized rubber intestines for this duck.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Exactly. Now, in order to achieve the appropriate level of duckness here, Vaucasart had to do something. Because it turns out you couldn't actually fake digestion in 1736. That was a bridge too far. He had a separate shit cache inside the duck.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Genuinely excellent, right? I mean total duckness here is like as duck as it gets. Walks like a duck. Talks like a duck. Shits like a duck. Splendid, right? This duck was regarded as being quite miraculous.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because it was as duck-like as you could possibly imagine.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In the 1630s, right? It did all the things we knew how ducks do, and it did it, appearingly, on its own kind of steam. Oh, its own mechanized motion, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That felt real. Hugely important, right? And here, watches that had been about standardizing time become about


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Make things real, right? So this duck is the first attempt at making things real. Unsurprisingly, there are a whole series of things after this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This duck gunner waddles across the stages of Europe for at least a decade. Arvokasov then decides he wants to be taken more seriously.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And destroys the duck, which is very sad. So the only accounts we have of this duck are...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The narrative accounts of this duck and Voltaire, who was deeply obsessed with this duck, as they previously kind of alluded to.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Vaucassant goes on, possibly unsurprisingly, to take his interest in mechanisation to make loom technology and punch cards.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Cleans up his act, gets into the real game, right? But this notion of things that wind up, this notion of what it might take to start to make things that look like real things.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Important kind of intellectual move, right? So can we make things that feel real and what are the consequences of doing that? You know, by the time we get to the 20th century, you know, Freud et al are starting to worry about the uncanny valley and about, you know, Freud's not worrying about the uncanny valley, Freud's just worrying about the uncanny.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you have not seen that one, you will not get out your laptops right now unless you already have them out. You will Google Edison's Talking Doll in YouTube and you will see the doll. She is terrifying. You can hear the doll sing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and you will never sleep again.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That is correct, but no one knew who they were at that point. They knew the men who were smashing the looms that this was dangerous.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The people who owned the factories were determined. They had a lot of money. They had the law on their side. They were creating a new form of work. This was effectively the beginning of the heating up of the industrial revolution.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The people who owned the factories got the police involved and this became a fairly significant moment.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Interestingly, the men who were doing the smashing knew that they needed a leader. They knew they needed someone who they could.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Basically put in charge. They also knew if they actually put someone in charge, that person would be hauled off. So they created a leader. They called him Ned. Ned Ludd, sometimes General Ned Ludd.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] 1812 is also the height of the romantic poets in England and the Robin Hood story was just being retold again.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So suddenly Robin Hood got out of vogue, but quite sometimes, about 400 years, when no one really cared about the Robin Hood story, starting in the early 1800s, Robin Hood is back with a vengeance. We're very excited by Robin Hood, it's a nice tale, it's got, you know, the happy English countryside, it's got despotic barons, it's excellent, right, it's a good story, you know, women being saved by men, it's all very, you know,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's excellent. So, General Ned Ludd takes up residence in Robin Hood's cave in Sherwood Forest, for which he proceeds to issue a series of fairly didactic manifestos.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It is also clear because we're talking about 1812 and there is no YouTube and no Twitter, that they need to work at how to circulate information very quickly.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because many of the people who would ultimately smash looms weren't necessarily literate, there was a challenge about how you distribute that news.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And so the people who created NED also created a series of songs.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And those songs were sung up and down the coast of England, pub to pub.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The gentry, the intelligentsia, the aristocracy, the loom owners are reading about the smashing on page one, page two, and page three of The Times of London.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] One of the big romantic poets. Uhm, a man in some ways who ought to be best remembered by the epitaph given to him by one of his many jilted lovers. Uh, Lady Charlotte Lamb once described Byron as mad, bad and dangerous to know.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He gets up in an attempt arguably to rebrand his reputation and his maiden speech in the House of Lords as a defence of the Luddites. And the Luddites as the last great defenders of the true English way of life. Now of course we know these people.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Long past a revolution that lasted less than 18 months. So right about a month ago,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, loom smashing was criminalised in a new way. It wasn't just about crimes of property. It became a...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And the Luddite movement kind of dissipates, but there is an 18 month period where all anyone in England is talking about in conjunction with the introduction to new machinery is the consequences of that introduction.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's a machinery about loss. It's a machinery about pollution. So think the dark satanic mills is a line that comes out of this same time period, right? So design systems bring with them chaos.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And replacement of things human, replacement of work, replacement of value, replacement of labor, replacement of meaning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He gets around. Byron is pretty much all about the next 100 years of this story, right? So Byron and his best mate and his doctor.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And his best mate's girlfriend, and his best mate's girlfriend's half-sister, if this starts to sound like the Kardashians, you are not wrong. Uhm, so Byron, the doctor, the girlfriend, the girlfriend's half-sister, the other friend, all go off to tour the Europe. To spend some time on the continent.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's kind of a shitty summer, the weather is bad, there's been a volcanic eruption, the entire summer of 1816 is kind of a summer of clouds and dust and bad weather.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Pretty much everyone at that dinner party scatters to the winds of whatever, you know, piece of mad real estate they are camped out in. And...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Byron's best mate's girlfriend's half-sister writes the first vampire, writes the first zombie story and


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Byron's best mate's girlfriend, who we all know as Mary Shelley, writes Frankenstein.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And give birth to one of the perennial tropes and moral stories of it turns out our day as well as this day.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Ticking on any day now. Ah, so, you know, there is Mary Wollstonecraft advocating for that. Mary's husband, a man named Wilson, was the preeminent labour historian in England in 1812 and 1813.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When her boyfriend at the time, a man named Percy Shelley, who would later become her husband, said about wooing her, he took her to see things in London.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He took her to Egypt Hall or Egyptian Hall, which was the place where automatons were on display. It was a place to see experiments in mesmerism and vivisection and early electricity. It was a place to see frogs dissected and have a charge run through them so they appeared to come back to life.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So here she is enmeshed in these stories about and experiments in electricity.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, a whole series of European theorists are now arguing that electricity is the lifeblood.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And you know, in the Frankenstein story, it is Frankenstein as a scientist who collects body parts, stitches them together, runs electricity through it, and the object comes to life. Frankenstein's monster. And it lumbers around and attempts to work out how to be human. It thinks it's human.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It has a human brain, not an abnormal brain, a human brain, and so it wanders off attempting to find human beings to work out how to make itself more human. It peers through a hole in the wall and watches the family for days.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now, this story when it came out, hugely controversial, there was an argument about whether Mary had written it herself, maybe it was Percy, maybe it was Byron, but this story has been in constant print since 1816.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It was the subject of some of the very first movies, it has been the subject of television shows, it has been the subject of more spoofs than we can poke a stick at, and it is deeply embedded in our consciousness.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As both a moral play, but also as language to make sense of things that don't quite work, right? We talk about things being Frankensteined together as a kind of bad mishmash.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But this notion here of human beings making life and of life not really thinking that's a good idea is a really interesting and important story.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it goes on to shape ultimately what happens for the next 150, 200 years.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He is kind of a repeat offender startup before there was Sandhill Road to go to.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So Loomz made fabric, but he started to realize if you had mechanization, maybe you could.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Not just reproduce literal things, maybe you could get to a level of abstraction. So, not make a pattern, but what if that pattern became something else, right? Could you effectively create a new grammar or a new language? He was trying to think about could machines get us to abstraction? He is starting to create computing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The modern age, she'd never read any poetry, she'd never been exposed to any art. All she had read was science and math, she had science and math tutors.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When she ran into Babbage and the Babbage machine, she immediately recognized something that we would all recognize, which is the machine was only as good as the first program that was written for it, that it was excellent to have abstraction, but the abstraction needed to be tamed and manipulated in some way.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You all should know that woman because that is Ada Lovelace. She is arguably the world's first computer programmer and she happens to be Byron's daughter. Told you, he got around.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] She writes the first program, there's a whole lot of things that happen as a result of this. This machine lies dormant in some ways as an idea. There are proliferations of it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Through the end of the 19th century into the 20th century.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In England, the premier mathematicians of the country are pulled together into a single place called Bletchley Park. And they are given one job and one job alone. And their job is to crack


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The enigma is to crack the code, is to work out how it is that information is being transmitted by


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Particularly the Germans to their various military forces in a code that seems uncrackable by all the previous mechanisms there are.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And some of those mathematicians start thinking this is a problem that is beyond the capacity of one human brain. They need to actually create a level of a capacity to think more than that. And they go back to Babbage and they build what is effectively the first computer.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] One of the principal people architecting that was a young British mathematician born and raised in India, educated in the UK, a man of tremendous mathematical talent and rather a lot of social awkwardness. Uhm, his name, as many of you know, is Alan Turing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, Alan Turing was gay in a time when being gay was kind of socially unacceptable and deeply politically complicated.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So at the point at which he was caught in a compromising position, he was offered a choice by the British government if he wanted to maintain his security clearance. And the choice was effectively hormonal castration or a stripping of his security clearance and an ejection from Bletchley Park and all of his work.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He initially agreed to be dosed with hormones. He ultimately found that to be a really unpleasant experience and he stopped taking them. He was caught again and he was taken away from everything he loved.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He was considered to be a risk to the British government, a risk to security, he was kicked out of Bletchley Park, he was kicked out of all the research he was done and he was told he was never allowed to work in any of it again. Done. For many people that would have been an awful end of a life's career.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Ultimately, for Turing, it liberated him to publish what is probably one of the most important papers in artificial intelligence because it's the one that kicks the whole thing off in 1950. He publishes a paper called Can a Machine Think?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It is a philosophical paper as much as it is a paper of computer science. It is a paper that in its mere title is an utter provocation. If you entitle a paper, can a machine think?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Whether on the other side of the wall there is a computer and a machine, computer and a person, right? So the point you ask a series of questions and you can no longer tell the difference between where the answers are coming from, the Turing test will be passed. Turing test has not yet been passed, but its consequences run through


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Computer science, as well as a whole series of other branches of science.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Partly because what it says is that one of the goals of science is to create human thought, right? We need to have something that is indistinguishable from humans. And what does he think indistinguishable is? He has to think like a person. So, you know, back to Descartes again, right? We have circled back quite some way.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What is also in some ways more important is that this paper and the question it poses end up also shaping our imagination in really powerful ways because this paper is profoundly influential in science fiction.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And ultimately, if you didn't know the Turing test, you have in fact seen it, even though you all seem impossibly young, because at some point you saw the movie Blade Runner on television. And in that movie, there is a moment where the machines


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Thwart a system to prove whether they are human or not. And they don't thwart it by their capacity to think, they court it by their capacity to have memories.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To have a moral compass, to have an emotional core. That movie is based on a novella written by Philip K. Dick, who was an American author from the Bay Area.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Who took Turing's paper and understood its core impulse, which was a question about not whether machines think, but what makes us human.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And the novella Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is an exploration precisely about what makes us human.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But it's also the story that helps again, reinforce and shape the notion of the fear of the machines.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Right? Because if a machine can think, what does that say about us? If you start by saying, I think therefore I am, and the machine thinks also, there is an interesting consequence for that, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's dangerous because we have science, science fiction, literary tropes, political histories, all of which encode a particular set of ideas, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Not all of them rational, but all of them ideas that have lived in our imaginations.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In really dramatic ways, they have lived in movies, they have lived in political discourse, they have lived in language. They haunt, right? But what if you were to say, okay,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, I'm an anthropologist and that's a very particular history. That is a slice of history as narrow as the West.