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[Assistant] I know, and maybe we'll drop the link to the 6 minute YouTube clip in there, but we just for legal reasons, if it's not a tag where we can't use it, it wasn't in there. And before we do number one, I want to read the results of our poll on our community tab this morning. We asked was Jose Ramirez knockout punch on Tim Anderson, the best punch thrown in history outside of boxing. 77% said yes. And you know what?


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[Assistant] It is time to pivot real quick to football, and before we do that...


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[Assistant] of Jose Ramirez fighting Tim Anderson. So we will have Tom Hamilton on the show tomorrow at noon to put a bow tie on that. And by then we should know if Jose has gotten suspended and or not. I think we expect him to be suspended today. So we'll know that by the end of the day.


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[Assistant] With that being said, we talked baseball for an hour. I think we covered the fight from every angle, every knuckle, every concussion possible. So, let's talk a little football.


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[Assistant] He had his official hall of fame bust revealed over the weekend. They had the entire induction ceremony. Joe, uh, well received as expected. Uh, did you guys listen to his speech real quick before we get into the bust and the rest? What do you think about his speech?


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[Assistant] We had asked Joe when he was on the show about his bust. Was he gonna go with skinny Joe, fat Joe, bearded Joe, chugging a beer Joe?


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[Assistant] And I think the final result came out pretty damn good. Oh, they nailed it. And we can take it full here and see two different pictures. Here's Joe with the bust. And we have a little more of a close up if you want to see exactly what it looked like.


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[Assistant] Do we still need as a country in a league here? And it was cool because there's the Browns this year, but most years it's not the Browns. It varies every year. Who plays in the Hall of Fame game?


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[Assistant] Go ahead, Mike. So Joe Thomas was the first ballot Hall of Famer and as they do every year, the list of guys eligible to be first ballot Hall of Famers next year came out this weekend as well. And here's just a couple of the guys.


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[Assistant] Who are eligible, some of the bigger names. You got 10 or 11 to read here, but you have Julius Peppers, Antonio Gates, Eric Berry.


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[Assistant] Andrew Luck, Helodi Nada, Stevie Tate, the next one, Jamal Charles, Brandon Marshall, Jordi Nelson, Doug Baldwin.


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[Assistant] Adam Pacman Jones and Cleveland's own Phil Dawson. So let's have a fun little conversation quick, but of those 11 in their primes, which one do you think would help this current Browns team the most? Andrew Luck. Ooh, you're going quarterback.


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[Assistant] We got a transition here and I gotta give you guys a little behind the scenes.


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[Assistant] Of what happened with our 32 and 32 series. I'm glad we're talking about running backs because that plays right into the next player in our now out of order 32 for 32. So before I tell you who are 32 for 32 players today, I gotta tell you what happened while I was gone.


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[Assistant] I gave Anthony and Earl very simple instructions. You start at 32, you go to 31, you go to 30, and we work our way backwards all the way up. We have a spreadsheet.


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[Assistant] I have my rankings. I have Anthony's rankings. I have Earl's rankings. I wish I could show you guys my screen, but just to paint you a picture, the rankings are numbered one through 32. My name's in orange. The whole top line is in orange. Anthony's name's in orange. Earl's name's in orange. Then I have total order in green. Why? Cause that's probably the total order.


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[Assistant] So on the fourth column of this spreadsheet, and just so you guys can see, I'm gonna hold my laptop up.


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[Assistant] Anthony and I were looking at the total, or the players ranked properly.


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[Assistant] But instead of looking to the right at the total of the proper order, they were looking at the left to Earl's order. So they weren't looking at the players, not in the total aggregation of it all.


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[Assistant] Now we get it. So yes, they were not looking at the aggregate. They were looking at the aggregated list of players ranked with the numbers with someone's individual list and trying to make it worse.


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[Assistant] We're just gonna go. I think the whole thing has to be scrapped now. Well we can't do 32 and 23 is the issue. We've already, we're committed to the bit 32 for 32. So we're gonna go with the players we haven't used and today is Jerome Ford and we're gonna fill in.


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[Assistant] Yes, so Cedric Tillman was properly put at 32. Okay. Jordan Akins, properly put, or Akins. Akins or Akins, I get it wrong every time. Akins. Akins.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jack Conklin was number 30. Taki Taki was number 29. Next, Steve.


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[Assistant] McCloud was 28. This is where it's wrong. This is how we did it. This is not the order. Cade York was technically.


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[Assistant] Anthony Walker was 20- no, Anthony Walker was 24. Kate York was 19.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Pochich was 25 though. Pochich is right actually.


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[Assistant] Which is on the next one, and I guess they did DPJ on Friday. DPJ we had at number 18.


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[Assistant] Tell me that. Our rankings for DPJ, personally, I had him 21st, Anthony had him 14th, and Earl had him 20th. So when you average those together, Anthony, yea, you want to tell him I had DPJ at 14th?


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[Assistant] He had Delpit, 15th. Jedwills. No, no, I take that back, sorry.


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[Assistant] G Bush, I'm going to ask you as the consumer of the most Brown's Kool-Aid on this panel. Is 500 yards, five touchdowns realistic for Jerome Ford this year?


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna get to our last thing here. We're gonna save our Ricky Rubio conversation for tomorrow. We will get to that because the Cavs do have a hole now at backup point guard, but we're gonna get into some...


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[Assistant] of my random thoughts and ideas and stuff from vacation. Before that, just want to remind everybody, if you're not already a subscriber to the ultimate Cleveland sports show, please hit that subscribe button, hit that like button. It helps us out in a long, long way. And also you can become a member. There's two tiers buck 99 to starters tier four, nine nights coaches tier. And that gets you all those extra perks that the regular people do not get.


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[Assistant] Alright, so as you guys know, I returned from Europe. It was a tumultuous trip there. It took me 39 hours to get to Europe.


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[Assistant] Alright, so on the trip, I had some sports takes, uh, some just thoughts. I'm gonna give you the sports takes real, real quick. You guys have already talked about these, just wanna give you my two cents.


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[Assistant] I fell asleep in the second half, but rewatched it. Uh, DTR is better than Kalemond. I don't think it's anywhere close. I also thought Dewan Jones was really impressive. You guys talked about that. We'll go on. Okay, first random thought. German toilet paper?


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[Assistant] And that thing was luxury. Speaking of which. But taking a crap anywhere in Germany? Be careful. Speaking of which.


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[Assistant] And you would think, in any language in the world, there's a universal sign for men's room and women's room. Oh, there's not.


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[Assistant] Some in Germany had words. It's Heron and Deron. Which if you don't know which is which.


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[Assistant] I had no idea. So me and my brother walked into Heron. It turns out that's the girl's room. Whoops. Uh, there were some signs. Well, it makes sense. Her is in Heron and Deron is a dude. Not a single thing in the German language makes sense when you translate it to English. Trust me. Like in theory sure.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll show you guys, it's a, it's a, whatever. I tweeted it out, you guys go to my Twitter, you can find it there. But, uh, there's other ways, so there's other signs. Like one was a skinny person, and one was a larger person. Larger person was the man? Yes.


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[Assistant] Make sense? But like, when you're drunk and you're looking at that...


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[Assistant] There should be a universal bathroom sign. I don't care if I'm in Asia, Europe, Russia, Antarctica, America. There should be one universal bathroom sign.


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[Assistant] I have no idea, but she was a professional ballerina for four years and then decided she didn't want to do it, moved to Germany, got a masters and is now working in, uh, event management. So, alright, back to this. In Europe, they like coins.


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[Assistant] Are we still in the 1700s? Who the hell wants to carry around a coin purse? I know. Like get, I don't, euros, I don't want one, give me a one dollar bill. Or a one euro bill.


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[Assistant] Another thought, I met a great guy named Connor on the trip. We did a pub tour. It was from New Zealand. He kept saying the words mate and lad. It's just so cool. We should use the word. Yeah, you're right. I like.


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[Assistant] Uh, I saw so much sports gear, American sports gear over there. Literally every team you can think of except anything from Cleveland.


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[Assistant] I didn't see a single browns jersey, guardians hat, indians hat, calves. I saw a LeBron Lakers jersey.


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[Assistant] Mercedes isn't the same like high, high class car. They have really nice cars, but it's, you know, more commonplace seeing a Mercedes 18 wheeler.


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[Assistant] Will never not look cool. Or Mercedes garbage truck? Will never not be cool. Uh, this pisses me off. This really irritated me. Do you know people in Germany don't call Germany Germany?


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[Assistant] We're the only country that calls them Germany. They're... Deutschland? Everywhere else in the world? Seriously? It's not a joke?


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[Assistant] I don't know that, I don't really answer that, but my point is every country should be the country.


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[Assistant] It's Turk-I-E. Yeah, it's got a really weird spelling. Yeah, cause it's pronounced Turk-I-E.


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[Assistant] And like Munich, we say Munich, it's Muncher, or Munch, I can't pronounce it, Muncher, Muncher, but it's like on signs, welcome to M-U-N-C-H-E-R, it's not Munich. Muncher.


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[Assistant] Why don't we have more of these in America? Like on every corner, a delicious baker with like homemade


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[Assistant] Croissants and cookies and muffins. Any pastry.


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[Assistant] We have beers on the train. We have beers walking from the train to the Ubers. We have beers walking from the Ubers to the bars. How would you say the booze consumption there compares to the U.S.? Uh, at least the parts I saw way more. You know why? Because beer is cheaper than, than water. You have to pay for water over there.


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[Assistant] It wasn't free, and it was more than beer. Especially in Prague. Which is crazy, cause they give you the giant half liter beers. So my question is,


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[Assistant] Why is it only New Orleans? Why here, like, is New Orleans? Get some random exception. I wanna- I'm not an alcoholic by any means, but- I would love to carry a beer from, like, my apartment to the Guardian game.


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[Assistant] Alright, two more quick ones and then one final thought to leave us. I don't understand fashion, German fashion. It was like the bagger the clothes the better.


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[Assistant] I'll talk in parachute pants if parachute pants took steroids, HGH, and a-


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[Assistant] Oh, it's beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous. And last but not least, I'm happy to be back. It was an awesome week. Uh, had a blast.


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[Assistant] A small white casket carried the 17-month-old child.


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[Assistant] For more on this and other Frontline programs, visit our website at pbs.org.


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[Assistant] Frontlines The Trouble with Chicken is available on DVD. To order, visit shoppbs.org or call 1-800-PLAY-PBS.


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[Assistant] Is it painful for a company to do that? It's very painful for a company to do that. It's not a decision taken lightly. Uhm, it was clear to us that there was an association with a number of those illnesses with our product.


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[Assistant] Levels of Salmonella in our product. We kind of looked at it and said, oh, you know, that's kind of a seasonal thing and it came up and it went down and I think at the end of the day we weren't taking appropriate action.


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[Assistant] That is not the modern way for us to be applying what we know from a scientific standpoint to providing good oversight.


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[Assistant] You go back to the days of the jungle and Upton Sinclair and Teddy Roosevelt creating USDA's oversight responsibility for, uhm, meat and poultry inspection. The focus was then really getting diseased animals out of, uhm, slaughterhouses.


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[Assistant] We don't have that problem today. We didn't have that problem when this occurred.


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[Assistant] Sometimes 70% of the carcasses would be positive for salmonella. We've driven that number down to where now we're less than 10%. So you look at a huge decrease in the prevalence of salmonella in poultry without a corresponding decrease in human salmonellosis.


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[Assistant] The whole time we were in compliance with the USDA performance standard. So we were meeting USDA requirements. You were meeting. We were meeting it. We were meeting it. So what does that tell you about the performance standards?


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[Assistant] Make people aware. Get it off the market. Let's get the problem fixed and let's move on.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't believe that salmonella rises to the level of an adulterant. I don't believe that the mere presence of salmonella, you know, causes a food safety hazard the way the presence of E. coli 0157 does.


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[Assistant] If you lose your job or you, you know, something bad happens, you have to have money and you don't want to live off of a credit card. So you need to have that money, you know, saved somewhere in case something happens.


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[Assistant] Dad, you know how it's dad season? It was money season.


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[Assistant] Sound like he was just Rob Gronkowski but didn't have a study of habits.


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[Assistant] Two or three. At most, right? Yeaah. Two or three.


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[Assistant] I mean, you on depth there, but you drafted guys, you brought guys in. I think it's, I think they'll be fine.


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[Assistant] It's not like these guys was game-breakers. Like Isaiah Thomas had a good preseason, but regular season, he didn't do too much. And Alex Wright didn't do a lot in the regular season as well, so. The only thing is you missing the experience, but you brought in some guys that have some experience. He's got a mad look on his face.


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[Assistant] Now here's the thing. I think he's done a great job trading picks and getting what he needs. No, I, I do, I do think that- We are, we are best in the business at doing that. And when it comes to, if this was a- You trade that first pick away or that second round pick away. He's great at trading. Whatever he got. He's great at trading. BAM!


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[Assistant] If Deshawn didn't come with the baggage, a lot of people would have been like, I see why you did that.


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[Assistant] Melvin is, I feel like Melvin is more, I mean it would work, cause I mean nowadays these, these, our ends are standing up, so it would work.


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[Assistant] Well, listen, I know y'all won't hear this, but I'ma say it anyway. Oh boy.


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[Assistant] It's not, I'm not hitting the panic button at all, okay.


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[Assistant] And I'm not on the go get Zeke thing. And I love you. Wow. I love you, Zeke, but there's not that. Right now, this ain't the time. I want Zeke to, I need to start running back to go down for Zeke to get that bag, Zeke. That's why I want you to wait. But that's not, with the Brown situation,


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[Assistant] If Jerome Ford isn't available, they'd be fine. I think Demetrius Felton is perfect for exactly what Jerome Ford does. Jerome Ford is a guy that catches the ball out the backfield. What is Demetrius Felton? He actually played in the slot.


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[Assistant] Demetri- er, Jerome Ford is a good returner. What Demetri Felton do? He's a good returner. I mean, we've seen him in the Hall of Fame game, so I don't think it's necessarily time to hit the panic button.


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[Assistant] Because Demetric Film can do a lot of the things that you asked Jerome Ford to do, or that you were going to utilize him for anyways. If this becomes more of a pass in the tank,


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[Assistant] You wanna pass him running back, back there. Demetri Felton is there for that. And John Kelly has shown, you know, through many years.


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[Assistant] It's not time to hit the panic button. Plus, Nick Chubb is healthy. Nick Chubb is going to take a lot of snaps anyways. I think if you put Demetri, Demetri Felton in there, he still can do exactly what you need Jerome Ford to do. It's not time to hit the panic button. Not over no running back, especially when you're trying to pass the ball. Gee Bush. Ah, boy. Uhm. Dude, hilarious, man.


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[Assistant] No, because D'Andre Hopkins is D'Andre Hopkins.


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[Assistant] Well, you ain't got no choice as a quarterback, but I told you, they gotta save. Everybody was talking about the D.P. or the Donovan. God dang, I can't get that boy's name on my hand. DeAndre Hopkins stuff. And I told you, they gotta save some money. Now you got these injuries, you got these guys going down.


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[Assistant] I think they won't be that bad. I think they still can win games.


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[Assistant] But you know who helps that? That's why Elijah Moore is in the backfield cause people ain't like, oh my goodness, you got a wide receiver in the backfield, now a linebacker's checking him? Like that's crazy.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you was bringing up defense because my next question is about the secondary and particularly not the corners, but the safety position. You know, they bring in one Thornhill to be a true post safety and I love that, but I do believe in.


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[Assistant] Tell me if you, if I'm, if I'm overhyping this, I think that Grant Dale Pitt is a huge piece that needs to be good on this defense because he has to be essentially the Malcolm Jenkins of this defense. And you know, Malcolm Jenkins was known for covering running backs, covering tight ends, covering slots. Do you see Dale Pitt being that type of safety?


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[Assistant] Matt, you know, we got a guy, you know, one of our producers backs behind the curtain had this issue with Isaiah Thomas going down yesterday, uhm, and Alex Wright.


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[Assistant] Will you tell us what it is about Maguire that you like and please ease his mind and tell him that things will be okay.


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[Assistant] Wait a minute. Gee. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I got a problem with this. Okay. Because, what was the question? Ask me the question again so I can answer your question.


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[Assistant] Answer your questions, but then I got some, some more stuff I need to talk about.


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[Assistant] It's a big impact having special teams, because special teams can change the whole dynamic of a game. You know, things can be going bad, one big special teams play, whether that's a hit, return, touchdown, some fumble recovery, something like that, can change the whole trajectory of a game. A block punt, if you block a punt.


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[Assistant] You going to win that game 90% of the times. Ah, a wise coach told me that one day. But my issue with Bubba Ventrone is this.


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[Assistant] Those guys that I seen in that Hall of Fame game, last, last week, you know, yea, we could call them backups with, but guess who your, who your special team has pretty much made out of? Backups!


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[Assistant] I seen a kickoff return, dang there, go to the house. I seen a punt return.


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[Assistant] Dang, they're going to a house, and I seen our kicker, Mr. Field go.


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[Assistant] You better find you some guys that take it as seriously as you do. I mean, you gotta find you some hungry guys on that special teams because that right there cannot happen in the regular season at all.


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[Assistant] What difference does it make? A block punt, if you got a good special teams unit that contributes on returning, block punts, or you have a good kicker, it changes the mathematics of you. Those, those three point games that you either gonna win or lose.


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[Assistant] I don't understand what, I tell you what, I bet you it become more of a bigger factor now that they getting rid of kickoffs.


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[Assistant] Hey, listen man, everything, listen, let me let everybody know, in life, there's really no right or wrong way to do things. Everything is opinionated. That's true. Well, there was some right and wrong.


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[Assistant] I'ma say Arizona just because I don't know. I have no freaking clue. Tennessee. I'll guess.


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[Assistant] Who was the head coach when he did that? For the Raiders. Who was the Raiders before John Ruther?


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[Assistant] I love Joe. Listen, now back to Johnny Menzel. This is what I don't understand. How do you think


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[Assistant] They, you literally want, they're giving you the answers to the test. Like to me, I look at it like school. A lot of people ain't good in school, but if you apply it in a school way, you study Monday through Saturday.


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[Assistant] Wait, this is, this is Cleveland people, right? Yeah, it's Cleveland Cats. No, they don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. Maybe 39% say they do. I'ma say 20, 20, 80, 20.


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[Assistant] It's not as wide as, you know, people would think, you know. Obviously the media does a good job of pointing out highlights, but from a player's perspective, you know, you get to go up against these guys all the time. So you honestly know what it is. So for example,


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[Assistant] Like a wide receiver, like if a DB tells you that this wide receiver is really, really good, you know, maybe he might not have the stats because there's a lot of things that go into it. Maybe he was wide open on the play, but the quarterback got sacked, you know, stuff like that happens.


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[Assistant] So I always am going to listen to the players a little bit more than I'm going to listen to the media because those guys are going up against these guys. And it's a lot of things that factor into it. Like Joe Botonio, if he's not on it, maybe it's because, obviously I'm not 100% how they calculating this up.


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[Assistant] Can I tell my story? So when they ask you to do the top 100, right, people don't really take it seriously because it's like, you can vote for whoever you want. So for me, when I voted, I always voted for my teammates and people that I played with in college.


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[Assistant] Or you'd be like, so for example, if you ask Darius Slay, who is the best wide receiver in the league?


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[Assistant] Minka, Minka, Minka plays pretty much everything in the secondary and he's, now he's fixated on safety.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, by the way, Boyle, I just got an email from Yahoo Sports Fantasy Football. You need to set a draft.


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[Assistant] We're doing one bill this year. When is it coming in? When do I need to have it in by? When that boatload coming in? Why?


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[Assistant] Listen, Russell Wilson is a great guy. He got me two first...


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[Assistant] The FBI was able to, to the exclusion of all other cameras, tie that camera to these photographs. Assuming that all that's fake, we went further.


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[Assistant] Our photographic panel indicated in great detail that these shadows were not inappropriate, that the critics had simply not understood optics accordingly.


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[Assistant] Any notion that the photograph was faked by other people to frame Lee Harvey Oswald now has to explain, uh, the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald himself signed that photograph.


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[Assistant] And Guy Bannister, uh, is certainly not pro-Castro. He's an ex-FBI agent from New York.


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[Assistant] Uh, is repeated conversations by these people that indicated the depth of their hatred for Kennedy.


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[Assistant] is a investigator for Carlos Marcelo being a boyhood friend to Lee Harvey Oswald and with him that summer and with Carlos Marcelo at that very point in time.


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[Assistant] You have an immediate connection between a man who had the motive, opportunity and means to kill Kennedy and the man who killed Kennedy.


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[Assistant] Uh, the visa application with his photograph on it and his signature. We verified that it was Oswald's signature. Oswald therefore was in Mexico City.


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[Assistant] Uh, and they induced Oswald to kill the president. It was terribly important that he be silenced.


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[Assistant] The prosecution case against Oswald is open and shut. If he'd shot his brother-in-law in the backseat of a


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[Assistant] Currently at this point, ORPB is following 25 different illness clusters.


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[Assistant] One E. coli, one Listeria, one Campylobacter and 22 Salmonella. So that's sort of our snapshot for the last week.


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[Assistant] That brings us to our first investigation of the day.


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[Assistant] No, so I'm not a communist and, uh, I think-


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[Assistant] Why does USDA refuse to consider multiple resistant salmonella as an adulterant? The same way we do as E. coli 1057H7.


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[Assistant] I asked Secretary Vilsack in a hearing when he said they didn't have the authority in the hearing. I looked directly at him and I said, well, ask for the authority. Ask us for the authority.


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[Assistant] I still believe that this is a question of the, uh,


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[Assistant] of, of, of, of the industry. It's a very powerful industry. And I believe they have a very strong lobbying effort that, uhm, uhm, that USDA is not willing to buck.


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[Assistant] I use all of the food safety measures. I use antibacterial wipes.


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[Assistant] Say I've, I have the raw chicken on my cutting board. I'll put it into the frying pan and then I will take


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[Assistant] Everything, put it in the sink, wash it with antibacterial, take the antibacterial wipes, wipe down the countertop, wash my hands with that antibacterial soap. I'm extremely careful.


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[Assistant] It's very scary when your child is sick and you don't know what's going to happen and it's scary when a doctor says we don't know what kind of bacteria this is.


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[Assistant] It doesn't seem like our governmental regulators have much enforcement power over things like this.


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[Assistant] If Foster Farms is able to say, no, we don't want to recall because we don't have any hard evidence, then we don't have laws that are protecting us.


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[Assistant] I think he was surprised, but again, he handled it, if you listen to the debate, very coolly, and it impeached his credibility. And uhm, and yet he managed to turn it to his advantage, which is, I think, uhm, shows some aplomb, certainly a lot more than most people give him credit for.


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[Assistant] The last thing that I remember was Oswald taking out a notebook.


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[Assistant] Glancing up at me and fixing me with a gaze of hatred.


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[Assistant] And asking for my name and address and phone number and writing it down in the notebook.


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[Assistant] Snapping it shut, looking up, and giving me that Oswald sneer. I went one way and he went the other.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you, it's not just an ad. It blocks my entire view. Just one enormous fucking eye of shit.


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[Assistant] Persons watching these embassies photographed Oswald as he entered and left and clocked the time spent on each visit.


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[Assistant] Well, he came out on weekends. I remember stepping over him one time, as he was watching TV, watching the football game, his chin in his hands there, and thinking, what a fine little, uh,


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[Assistant] A revolutionary we have here being snookered into the, the new, uh, opiate of the people football.


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[Assistant] He thought capitalism was rotten, it was a fraud, and it needed to be overthrown. Lee wanted to be an active guerilla in the, uh, effort to bring about a new world order.


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[Assistant] We discovered we were both interested in the activities of right-wing groups in Dallas, which were common numerous of that time. And, uh, I think he described his activities as spying on them.


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[Assistant] There was no doubt in my mind that he believed violence was the, uh, was the only effective tool. He didn't want to mess around with trying to change the system.


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[Assistant] Yeah it does. It means I'm a player.


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[Assistant] Damn, that's crazy. We got Big Bang Witches on the channel too.


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[Assistant] Oh, me and Phoenix working on a little project. Okay. What else you got? Phoenix, 24K.


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[Assistant] And then also I'm working on my little solo, solo project, my first mixtape.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a special moment that I'm going to be able to share with friends, family, uhm, so I'm excited.


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[Assistant] Chris, are you happy with this? What do you think? What's that? What do you think?


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[Assistant] Listen to me, pal. I'm warning you. Your being here puts me on the goddamn map. I have some information.


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[Assistant] Better give me a reason. Because that isn't making us the best of friends.


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[Assistant] It's impossible for me to even get out the perimeter without setting their damn alarms off. Place has my biometric profile.


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[Assistant] I know how the C2S thinks, because I'm her deadbeat daddy. And she's still carrying my picture in her back pocket.


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[Assistant] Oh, I'm sorry. Am I here to boost your morale? Go team, go. I think you misunderstand our relationship. I see an opportunity. You can help me, I can help you.


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[Assistant] Hey, I told you it was all gonna go to shit, man. Woohoo! Here, you wanna do the honors? Wait a sec, w-w-w-wait. Hang on. For my portfolio. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] You feel that? That's the weight of...


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[Assistant] Trillions of bots with information at your fingertips.


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[Assistant] Corporate espionage, crooked cops, big explosions, honey. And you are?


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[Assistant] You better tell me what you're messed up in, all of it, or I ain't decrypting jack shit. Now, Damian and Bloom. You don't need to worry about that. I'll decide what I need to worry about, Aiden.


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[Assistant] Are you sure you're gonna be able to get this data without getting caught? No. Yeah. Fine. Some honesty.


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[Assistant] Well, you better get going then, man. Claire here can fill me in on a few things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, you're in luck. Because this mess has a shitload of names. And every one of them tied to some crooked deal.


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[Assistant] Dirty cops, the club, greedy moguls, even you stand up do-gooders.


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[Assistant] You don't know that they didn't. You know, I've seen a lot of things that don't add up.


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[Assistant] I can't wait anyway, I kinda think it's gonna be the best day ever. You know like that? It's not going to be the best day. It will be the best day.


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[Assistant] Outer Banks, uh, North Carolina. Yeaah, we're going to Outer Banks Sunday, cause Joe's induction is Saturday, right? Yeaah, we leave Sunday for the Outer Banks.


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[Assistant] And my wife found some Airbnb VRBO, something on the beach.


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[Assistant] This is our first time because I, I was a Marriott whore for 15 years. So we stayed on Marriott points and we would go on beach vacations. Well, I'm kind of out of Marriott points now because I've been traveling for years.


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[Assistant] I might be going to Toledo. Oh, that's exciting. To see a Mudhead in this game. That don't count. Toledo's beautiful this time of year.


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[Assistant] If you're, if you're counting on Aaron, I've gone back and forth on this. If you're counting on Aaron Savali to save your season.


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[Assistant] And I've tried, same thing, I've tried to explain to people, and they're like, what?


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[Assistant] But I absolutely believe this is the future. This is where everything's going. 100%. So I think we were just in front of it a little bit and now it's sort of becoming the norm for people.


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[Assistant] Uh, to tune in and now it's getting a little bit easier, I think, for people to find us and to understand how this works.


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[Assistant] Really enjoyed. I knew you pretty well. Didn't know you as well. I've really enjoyed getting to know you guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, obviously the guys behind the glass, I didn't know at all. And it's been, it's been a blast. And we're not going anywhere. We're gonna be around for a while. Absolutely not. This show is...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, Tito likes to have questions about strategy and that, and when he got one, he didn't seem to like that one very much.


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[Assistant] You know, it was more than a fair question. We've talked about Miles Straw on this show. The only person we've talked about more than Imani Bates on this show is Miles Straw. And Straw is not good in the clutch. He's not good at the plate. He should have pinch hit for him. Tyler Freeman, I was just pulling it up to try and see. 352 on base.


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[Assistant] 5'10 OPS, it's not great, but still, Tyler Freeman's a better hitter than Miles Straw, obviously.


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[Assistant] It's baffling. It's baffling that I understand, I get the defensive side of it. I know you hate hearing that part.


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[Assistant] I'm fine with it at times, but in those situations, you're down five in the ninth inning. Base is loaded. You're trying to string something together. It is nonsensical not to pinch hit for Miles Straw in that spot. I just don't understand it.


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[Assistant] The benefit of the doubt. Right. But that doesn't mean that you can't ever say, hey,


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[Assistant] But I, you know, I had when I was, when I was a beat writer, I had this conversation with a number of coaches. It's like, it's almost to that point of like, sometimes when I ask you a question, I think you get defensive because you think I'm, I generally want to know.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm not trying to act like I know more than you, I don't, or else I would be the coach and you would be holding the pen and paper. I truly want to know. Like, I truly want to know, Terry, why didn't you want to pinch it for miles?


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[Assistant] And Tito, and this is one of his strengths, is he's so loyal to his players. And that's part of the reason they love him so much, and I get it, but then in situations like this,


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[Assistant] Pop is the epitome of don't question it. Oh yeaah. Him and Varden got into it, Joe Varden got into it during the Olympics. Oh really? Oh yeaah, go back and find it. Yeaah, it was good because Joe was not gonna have, like Joe didn't take that crap. Yeaah. And he and Pop went BOOM!


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[Assistant] I've actually followed him because I'm in that psychotic fantasy baseball league.


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[Assistant] Okay, so they still have six and a half hours. They can make a buy move. They can come back and make a buy move.


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[Assistant] Yes it is. I mean, I texted this to you guys last night. This is actually the lead to the column I wrote on this last night.


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[Assistant] And there is value, and that, that part does sting. And I went kinda back and forth in the days leading up to this on Savali because he's only gonna make 6 million next year.


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[Assistant] And now by comparison, I went, look, Martin Perez pitches for the Rangers. He's bounced around for a few different teams.


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[Assistant] You probably never heard of him because he's a nobody. He's an average run of the mill, 500 pitcher. Had a really good year last year. All-star for the first time. I think he's like 31, 32. He signed a $20 million deal this summer, or last winter for this year. One year, $20 million. But he's a Savali-esque pitcher. But he's a Savali. And they, they had, he had earned $20 million.


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[Assistant] Savali is going to make 6, so that tells you how valuable pitching is and why it is still kind of hard to move on from him. Ultimately though, Savali is a mid-rotation guy.


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[Assistant] He's a good number three. He's a great number four. He's a good number three. He got pounded by the Yankees last year in the deciding game five. He has his flaws. There's no durability there. He's had a ton of injuries and it's mad because it's not surgery. It's not Tommy John. It's not a torn labrum. It's these little dings.


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[Assistant] His July was sensational. He had a 1.4, I think, ERA in July. His OPS made Maio Strahl look like a cleanup hitter. Teams were, I think the opponent's OPS on him was like 440 this month.


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[Assistant] I have to admit, when the trade was announced, my first thought was Jake Bowers. Like, that was my first thought. I mean, another left handed hitting first baseman, top 50 prospect from the Rays, second round pick, like, and he was an absolute disaster and Yandy Diaz has flourished into an all-star with Tampa. Now, Manzardo,


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[Assistant] And Manzardo's numbers are down. You can see they're hit 238. That's not great. But, you know, Chris Antonetti on the call yesterday with the media said,


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[Assistant] Uh, they, like, the exit velocity was still there. Uh, batting average on balls and play. He was just unlucky on some things. So there's, so some of the deeper numbers that they really look at were right in line with what they want.


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[Assistant] A little disturbing. And, and it's also worth, and listen, I would rather have an outfielder, I'd rather go get an outfielder than another first baseman type, especially a left handed hitter. Like you just traded Nolan Jones because


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[Assistant] Because Josh Nader was playing first base and, you know.


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[Assistant] Yes. Both those guys are playing really well. So I guess like I understand from the fans perspective why you would be upset about this because


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[Assistant] We've been talking, we've been, I've been writing about the, the glut on the 40-man roster for years and they got to bundle these guys. Well now they just traded away a prosp, a, a valuable pitcher for another prospect. So I get, I get it. Who's not on the 40-man roster. Who's not on the 40-man, that's important. So really they did clear a 40-man spot with this move. But, and, and you know, how many of these guys can you just keep adding to?


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[Assistant] Not about Freeman. Freeman probably held steady. Okay, we'll see. But Aureus is dipped.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And, and Manzardo's not really, he's not a guy who's gonna hit it out of the park consistently as of now. Right. But the one thing I wanted to add that's important, Josh Naylor has two years left of control.


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[Assistant] I don't know if they're gonna sign him long term or not. The longer you wait, the harder it is to get these guys. And, you know, uh, how old is Josh?


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[Assistant] I think he's like probably 25. Yeah, I think he's younger than I would think. But he's down to two arbitration years. So if you, if you don't come to terms with him, if you don't come to terms on an agreement, well now you've got the man, you've got his replacement already lined up now in Manzardo. Because there was really nobody.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Like get, like how about 3 years, 60 million? Well 3, you're only buying out 1 year. You kind of have to go 4. No, no, no, no, 3 above what the 2. Okay, so 5 years. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I think that might be a little high, but I wanna look at the comps, and I haven't done that.


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[Assistant] No, no. Benetendi's an outfielder with, had a little bit of speed at one point is clear.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and maybe now is the time to leverage that into a long-term deal if you're him. I mean, I would go four years on him. You buy out his last two arbitration years and buy two years of free agency. I think that, I could live with that.


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[Assistant] Why? I didn't see that. Why? Pitch counts? Or pitching?


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[Assistant] I think, I think it's, it's not, it's reasonable to think that they're gonna do something else for, you know, I mean,


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[Assistant] Zach wrote it last night, and it stands the reason.


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[Assistant] This is not a popular move in the clubhouse because you just traded their best pitcher and you gave them no help.


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[Assistant] Right. And you traded Ahmed Rosario who was beloved in the clubhouse. Right.


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[Assistant] And for a guy with an ERA over 7, now he pitched well last night, but I mean Noah Sendergaard is shot.


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[Assistant] No, but here's the point I would make. How many, and Jay brought up the Braves being like under 500 in August or going on to win the World Series. How many teams that are 500 on August 1st go on to win the World Series? Not many. Not many. How many times can I put 100 bucks on 18 and it hits? Not many.


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[Assistant] There is nothing, I've been in the queue for Rocket Mortgage, whatever they're calling it now, for NBA Finals games, and I've heard the roof blow off that place. I'm telling you, there is nothing like Progressive Field for a playoff game. It is the most special environment.


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[Assistant] In Cleveland, because we haven't seen a Browns playoff game, but there is nothing like October baseball. I love it.


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[Assistant] But you have to play the, you have to play the odds. Like, you can't go all in on an inside straight draw that has an 8% chance of hitting.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, the Clevenger trade I thought was going to be their best one, and it hasn't really been great. I mean, they've already moved on from, uh, Miller that they sent to Milwaukee.


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[Assistant] Uh, Quantrill's been- Owen Miller, yeaah. Owen Miller. Quantrill's been okay. Naylor's been good. Naylor's worked. Yeaah. That's been great. Yeaah. Arius, we still don't know. But that was like a 6 for 1.


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[Assistant] And, uh, did they include someone else on, well, Clevenger was the main piece in that. Right. So what's unique about this is it's a one for one, because in the past,


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[Assistant] They've gone the route of just, let's just get quantity. Right. And let's see, let's try and get one or two guys to hit out of this. And this one, it's a one for one straight up. It's going to be really easy to evaluate this trade in a couple years.


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[Assistant] I mean, if, if there's anything left to squeeze out of him, they can find it. Right. Them in the Rays, like, he's in a really good spot. He should be, I don't know, I haven't talked to him, I don't know if he's happy to be included or not, but he should be. Because this is probably the one chance he's got to salvage his career.


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[Assistant] That's telling. Five and a third note strikeouts.


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[Assistant] I just said yesterday, I asked him, I said like, I'm sorry if I missed this, but because he was talking like Mackenzie's coming back, I said, has surgery been ruled out? And he basically said like, you know, never say never, but they believe that he's going to be able to rehab through this and he'll be back in September, which surprises me a little bit.


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[Assistant] Well I think that's, that's, he will pitch in September.


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[Assistant] You know what's funny? They're starting rotation from opening day.


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[Assistant] Gone. All five. Gone. Right now. Temporarily. Nobody's left.


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[Assistant] I know Clevenger regrets not taking it because they talked to Clevenger about an extension and he declined it. And I told you before, I think Trevor Bauer poisoned the well on all those guys.


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[Assistant] Because Clev turned it down, Shane turned it down, and neither one of those guys made the money that Trevor made on the signing bonus of being a high first round pick. And I think it's come back to haunt both of those guys. Cause they'll never get, Shane will never get a contract like what the Guardians offer.


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[Assistant] The outfield has to be rebuilt. Yes. Not the infield. Fair.


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[Assistant] But I think you can carry straw, it's, it's 5 million


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[Assistant] Straw actually would be a great, uh,


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[Assistant] They just spent 16 and a half and it blew up in their face. Now it's only one example.


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[Assistant] And real quick, when you talk about they have to rebuild the whole thing, I actually, I don't think they're as far off as it seems. I really don't. First base.


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[Assistant] They, they, they, it's Manzardo and Naylor, at least. Although, I-


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[Assistant] I just tend to wonder if they would trade Naylor this offseason. It's the two years of control thing. That's when they, that's the sweet spot when they start trading guys is two years of control. As long as it's not for minor leaguers. And again, you're maximizing value because Josh Naylor is probably at peak value right now, but let's assume that they're not going to do that. I just want to have it on the record.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they would try and trade him this offseason. Especially now that they have Manzardo in place.


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[Assistant] So I guess like, here's what I would say. Yeah. Manz, let's assume Josh is here next year. Manzardo and Naylor first base DH combination. Jimenez is going to be somewhere in the middle. I tend to think he actually may be the shortstop next year. And Freeman would be the second baseman. I think this is Arias' last chance. He's got two months to figure out if he can hit or not.


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[Assistant] And then you have to make a decision. So Arias is going to be somewhere and then you need something. So you've got one middle infield spot. Obviously you have Jose at third, you have Quan in the outfield. So really, with you, you need two outfielders and a middle infielder. That's not that bad. It's really not that bad.


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[Assistant] They, whether or not it works, they have the spot filled for now.


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[Assistant] Well, the scouting department's turned over 150 times since then, but I mean, Tommy Bell and Ramirez were all homegrown. They were all drafted and developed and that's gone. We were talking yesterday. When's the last time this organization identified it, like signed or drafted and developed a hitter? It was Jose, I think. And before that, I don't know, Manny? Well, Lindor. Well, Lindor. Yeah, Lindor.


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[Assistant] No. And they were turning over their farm directors, like, too often. And they were missing terribly on high picks.


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[Assistant] 1200 votes, 58% disagree with the trade, 42% like.


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[Assistant] Wow. And he took three guys from those Indians teams. That team with the 95 team. That's how, I mean, absurd. I mean, everyone talks about the hitting. They led the league in ERA as well.


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[Assistant] Jensen, I agree with everything you said. I don't hate the trade.


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[Assistant] But if you're one of the 26 guys in that clubhouse, you can't be happy with this because you are trying to make the postseason. What do you say if you're Chris Antonetti or if you're Tito? How does Tito get these guys to hold on and to buy in when they lost one of their beloved guys in a mud Rosario?


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[Assistant] And now you just lost your best starting pitcher of the guys that are available right now for not a lot of help for this year. So how do you sell this to the guys in the clubhouse?


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[Assistant] Gents, you mentioned Tristan earlier, uh, I was on the call with Chris Antonetti yesterday, and Chris kinda surprised me a little bit. He made it sound like Tristan's coming back in September.


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[Assistant] And I guess, I mean, you're a pitcher, you would know the timeline better than anyone. Is the thought here, hey, let's give this a shot in September.


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[Assistant] And if it doesn't work, he could, he's already, next year shot anyway if he has the surgery. If they had the surgery right away.


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[Assistant] All of next year would be shot. So is the thinking here, let's give it a shot in September and then if he has to have surgery, he's still back for the start of 25 anyway?


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[Assistant] Jensen, how do you see a shortstop playing out and is there any chance


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[Assistant] He's already here in Andres Jimenez. That's probably a move that would happen next year, but is there any chance they would move Jimenez to short and maybe Freeman is the, is the new second. I don't know. I'm just spitballing or is it still going to be Arias or what do you think?


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[Assistant] Quite a few NFL games. I had the stats at one point, I don't remember what they were.


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[Assistant] I think the one year you have to go through it in Brown Stadium, you just have to go through it in December. There's no preparation, there's no weightlifting, there's no film to watch. When you're a kicker, you just have to go out there and do it. And now that he's been through it, hopefully he understands the win. Even the Steelers kicker struggled early in his time. Hinesfield is a hard place to kick. So you have to learn the win patterns, you have to just


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[Assistant] And it can change, that's the fascinating part about talking to kickers. It can change like that.


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[Assistant] Every team can afford it. It's ridiculous. And there are a couple throughout the country of like kicking coaches that work with a number of NFL kickers in the off season or whatever. But if I'm an NFL team for, I mean they just spent


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[Assistant] Three, two to three million probably to go to Greenbriar. Right. Yeah. Hire a kicking coach. What's going to win you more games? A week at Greenbriar or a kicking coach?


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[Assistant] While we're talking movies, can I hijack this since we've got five minutes left? What is the appropriate age to show your son Major League in Boulderham?


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[Assistant] I don't know, I think the baseball carries it. The baseball stuff is so funny.


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[Assistant] Basically about a year ago, we started talking about making a documentary together. That was how it started. Just to tell our story, uh, you know, childhood into our career together, and in that process, you know, we did some very necessary healing, uh, cause you know, when things ended, it wasn't the best.


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[Assistant] Uh, things can get lost and you can find yourself kinda stuck on a shelf or not being prioritized or feeling like you're becoming someone else. But we always said having a partner is as prudent and as kind and generous as Disney is a great thing even if it comes with its challenges.


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[Assistant] The goal of an interrogation is to get a confession. That's the single overriding goal.


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[Assistant] Prior to an interrogation, police have made up their mind that the person is guilty. You don't interrogate somebody unless you first believe they're guilty.


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[Assistant] Have to understand is that interrogation can be very intense. Uhm, a lot of psychological pressure, sometimes in a small space for a long period of time. People break sometimes in response to that pressure.


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[Assistant] And they think the only way to save themselves is to put an end to that interrogation.


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[Assistant] Instead of objectively looking at the case and his involvement in figuring out what does the DNA tell us, they assumed he still had to have been involved, but there had to have been somebody else.


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[Assistant] Joe Dick is one of the most interesting people involved in this case and I think key to understanding this case.


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[Assistant] His confession stands out because he came to believe that he must have been involved in this crime.


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[Assistant] They were threatened. They were all threatened with the death penalty. They were told they would receive the death penalty if they didn't confess, and the only way to avoid the death penalty was if they


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[Assistant] Stopped denying and started admitting to what the interrogators believed they had done.


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[Assistant] If they were rational, objective, fair-minded police and prosecutors, they would have let everybody else go. But they couldn't admit.


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[Assistant] What was so obvious, they made a mistake. A big mistake.


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[Assistant] The confession, even when there's other evidence of innocence, the confession overrides that evidence. People ignore, jurors ignore that evidence.


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[Assistant] It's not just one detective who's a rogue detective. This case is much more than just that. To understand


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[Assistant] Why this case happened is really an indictment of the police, the prosecutors, to some extent, well, in addition to the police and prosecutors, the lawyers, the defense lawyers, and to some extent the judge and the jury.


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[Assistant] It really, this case really raises deep questions about the system. Not just one actor or two actors in the system.


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[Assistant] I think it's a prejudice most of us have that if you were innocent, you don't need to call for a lawyer, uh, because innocence is its own defense. Innocence can defend itself.


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[Assistant] And if you call for a lawyer, it looks a little bit sleazy. It looks as if you've got something to hide and need a professional at the law to help you hide it. The trouble with that is that innocence can't defend itself against a really clever interrogation.


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[Assistant] Well, you wonder how these suspects could have come up with these really depraved narratives of sexual assault, rape, and murder.


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[Assistant] And as I read through them, particularly the one of, uh, I think it was of Dick, uhm, it seemed to me that there was a clue, uh, in that they were, they were kind of,


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[Assistant] Low-grade male pornographic fantasies, uh, something out of a bad porno movie, uh, particularly the one where two of them are having sex with her at the same time, one oral sex and one


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[Assistant] Intercourse, and you said, wait a minute, uh, this sounds like something he's making up out of his own deep fantasies, right? Uhm, and it obviously bore no relation to the state of the corpse and the DNA evidence


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[Assistant] I certainly thought he was guilty. The client told me he was guilty.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Commonwealth approached me and asked me whether or not he might be interested in testifying on behalf of the Commonwealth. In return, they would take the death penalty off the case, off the table. I approached Mr. Dick about it. I approached his parents about it.


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[Assistant] Uh, based upon the evidence, based upon the personality of the client that I had, I considered that if we went to trial, the death penalty was a legitimate possibility.


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[Assistant] It was in his best interest to try and cooperate the best he could to take the death penalty off the case. Because I was convinced with the brutality of this murder, a jury might very well have given the death penalty.


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[Assistant] I didn't recommend against his continuing on and cooperating with the authorities. I thought it was in his best interest.


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[Assistant] Well, if they were willing to accept his changes to the stories and it was going to benefit Mr. Deck, then by all means continue, but try and tell the truth.


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[Assistant] Could hinder Joe more than help him. It's up to him. Once the decision is made that you're going to cooperate, Mr. Dick.


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[Assistant] Then you, Mr. Dick, have got to continue to sell yourself.


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[Assistant] If I'm there and you're looking for me, to me to give you answers with a nod on my head or a shake on my head or something, that destroys everything. You, you agree this is what you want to do? Go do it.


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[Assistant] I remember when I first met you, you was like, downtown at that low ass shop. And this was before y'all was in Hollywood and shit.


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[Assistant] And Zach brought me in there and he's like, man, you gotta do something with these niggas. I never heard of you niggas or nothing, right? He's like, you gotta do something with these niggas, right? And then we came in there.


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[Assistant] I remember this how I knew like, y'all was something. Cause I never heard of y'all, right? When we didn't put out...


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[Assistant] The interview, and it was like, became some rare shit or something like.


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[Assistant] Mythic, mythology type shit. Gleece, you know, jumper shit.


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[Assistant] Motherfuckers were still like two years, three years later like, where's that no jumper gleece interview with? I was like, but I ain't never had nobody ask about an interview.


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[Assistant] Like for two years, like nobody cares about that shit, bro. That's how I knew we was something different with y'all.


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[Assistant] It wasn't even that bad, it was just, just still, we was dealing with a case.


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[Assistant] When we went to court and tried, they were using pictures of my tour, like, tour promotion pictures and shit. There wasn't even nothing.


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[Assistant] It was like, damn, y'all. Why, why that?


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[Assistant] First of all, it was 80, 60 to 70 or 80 people to pick through a jury selection. They were all white.


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[Assistant] They, there was some jury, like, they had, like, the judge had to dismiss them because of the biasness that they had. They were like, some jury was like, uhm, I think all rappers are


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[Assistant] Sexual predators or sexual deviants or something. There was another jury, like I-


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[Assistant] Play, uh, work security at a, at a club and whenever we have rap shows, they're always more rowdy and it's just like the perception of rappers.


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[Assistant] It was something like that, right? When I was watching the jury selection, it felt like school.


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[Assistant] We're the people that want to sit in the front of the class and raise their hand and talk to the teacher and be the teacher's pet, right?


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[Assistant] And it felt like the people that didn't say anything.


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[Assistant] We like the people that sat in the back and just was there for the ride, right?


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[Assistant] Those were the worst people. And those were the people that we actually got on the jury, the people, a lot of people that didn't say too much, didn't say too much of, like,


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[Assistant] A lot of people just snuck on the jury because they just ain't say too much.


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[Assistant] Actually, when we first did the interview, I was only charged with one charge, the first initial one in 2015. I was charged with penetration.


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[Assistant] Two years later, like 2017, when DNA came back and in conclusion there was no DNA on a vaginal, none of my DNA on a vaginal, no DNA anywhere.


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[Assistant] And then they changed the char- they added a charge of, what was it? Oral.


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[Assistant] Right, and then I got a third charge added.


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[Assistant] 10 days before trial, because in Texas apparently they can add as many charges as they want, like on the same level or lesser, until like 10 days before trial, and during trial they can add a lesser.


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[Assistant] So 10 days before trial they tried to add, they tried to give me another deal because throughout those few years they kept offering deals and I wasn't taking any of them deals.


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[Assistant] Nah, nah, all the deals was like, uh,


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[Assistant] Probation, you know, cause when you cop, they, they're not trying to give you jail time unless it's like a very heinous crime or some shit like that.


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[Assistant] Nah, I wasn't worried about it. Nah, I was straight. Some of them deals with like, probation and shit, but they all had registration.


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[Assistant] The time of my probation has registered plus ten years later. Right. So it's been...


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[Assistant] The third charge, when I denied they last offer, they added that third charge.


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[Assistant] They added the fourth charge of attempted, which I was convicted of, during trial. They added that during trial when the prosecutor had the DNA expert on the stand and the DNA expert


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[Assistant] Said that there was another male's DNA specimen in her vagina and in her underwear.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but not even that. It was the jury. Cause right now, what I'm doing right now, I'm fighting an appeal.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, right? So, that's the pro- that's why I can't really talk about the incident. We can talk about court more than anything, right?


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[Assistant] But I'm fighting an appeal and within the first week of retaining my appeal lawyer,


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[Assistant] We find out that the juror compromised my conviction. And that's a violation to my constitutional rights. And it's...


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[Assistant] And proper use, misuse of, uh, jury conduct.


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[Assistant] So basically, as far, it's like if 11 jurors said, said he guilty, right? They want to say he guilty, right? But one is like, nah. But then they like, alright, just say he guilty and we'll give him probation.


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[Assistant] So two things are happening right now, right? One, they're discussing punishment before they even find out, they even decide if it's guilty or not.


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[Assistant] So they're worried about how much time and what type of punishment someone's going to get before they even think, before they even find out if they're guilty.


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[Assistant] On top of you're compromising the conviction by like, okay, I'll just, if y'all just give them probation, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] But in mine, it wasn't eleven and one. It was more jurors that just didn't believe, but they all just compromised.


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[Assistant] No question. That's really why I fell off and fell back.


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[Assistant] No question, it was endless deals, endless, uh, corporations, endless promoters, endless, endless, that just stopped fucking with me. You know what I mean? It was just like, damn. And the crazy thing was, it took me about three, three and a half years to really actually confirm


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[Assistant] It was cuz of my case that I was dealing with. Like somebody actually came out and was like, look, this is what it is. We can't fuck with you and we want to, but our high ups, they do diligence and it's like, ah.


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[Assistant] He made the only public statement from my account.


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[Assistant] So I found out that he left me through that public statement. He did a, he did a, he called up the fader and


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[Assistant] Made a like statement saying about I had a show after, whatever he said in it. And he was like, he doesn't work for me. But it started off as Gleeson's camp.


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[Assistant] Saying this, this then a third. He had the show after this, this then a third. But his manager...


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[Assistant] So, it's crazy. I still actually haven't talked to him since then. Like, we talked to him.


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[Assistant] Uh, middlemen, but I haven't really talked to them.


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[Assistant] Nah, I didn't leave Texas. What I did was retain a lawyer.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I retained the Lord and then we turned, we went and did a walkthrough. We did my turn in and did a mug shot and all that extra. But the way the police tried to make it seem like,


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[Assistant] I ran from them and that's what they were supposed to do because that's their fucking job.


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[Assistant] In the case for them in, like, in my trial.


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[Assistant] Their point, they're trying to make a point was of how I ran. They said that I left a suitcase on the side of the road. Right? My lawyer pulled up one of the officers' dash cam and they showed that my manager


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[Assistant] What was put in the suitcase into an Uber.


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[Assistant] The office pulled up right then at that time, stopped my manager from doing it, pulled the suitcase out of the Uber, made the Uber drive leave and then


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[Assistant] That was their thing, it was like, oh yeaah, Gleach left his suitcase and left the scene and he ran, he's on the run right now.


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[Assistant] But it's on cam on the police dash cam showing him.


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[Assistant] The case crazy. Like, there's so much other crazy stuff in that case. It's like...


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[Assistant] It was, it wasn't a civil case. It was a criminal case. Really? It was always going to be the state's, like, decision.


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[Assistant] Her percentage up, you know what I mean? When her crime conviction rate hurt, you know what I mean? Her lockups.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but this even, how many people do you know fight or trial? Cause I didn't cop out, right?


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[Assistant] I didn't take any deals throughout the whole trial, even in trial. I fought the whole way through.


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[Assistant] You get conviction, and you get probation, and I'm black in Texas, in America.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, no question. That's really what was taking a toll on me. It was like, damn. It was like, I could turn up with my music, and like turn up with my career, and then they'd use that against me first of all and be like,


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, he got all this power, all this, and he doing this, he taking advantage and doing all this other shit. And then they take it, take everything I just made, take it from me. And I'd be like, damn, I'd be more sick down in jail. Like.


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[Assistant] Knowing I just had something right there in front of me and then they just snatched it from me. I'd rather just shitbag it and just sit with nothing and y'all take nothing.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's really, that hurts. That shit, that shit the worst thing ever cause it's like, them the two things I despise most. And like, snitches and rapists.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm sayin'? Like, I don't fuck with that shit, Joe.


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[Assistant] And now even with the court and trial, it's like the way the system set up with


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[Assistant] The judge in the state knowing that my case was compromised, like there's laws in Texas right now that's like,


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[Assistant] There's a, you can get an appeal if you find out misconduct by jury, right?


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[Assistant] But then there's another law that contradicts that and says you can't bring any evidence finding out how, finding out what type of misconduct it was.


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[Assistant] So, we hired a FBI private eye detective, right? Retired FBI private eye.


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[Assistant] Private eye detector's not, right? It used to be FBI, whatever, whatever. We hiding.


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[Assistant] There's no way to use evidence to say that that's what you find out about the jury. Right.


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[Assistant] Eight year probation. Like I said, you got registered as a sex offender.


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[Assistant] For those eight years plus ten years after that, so that's 18 years.


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[Assistant] Right before I appealed, I tried to get my shit transferred out here.


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[Assistant] And this was like right before, this was the weekend, the week, this was the Friday before Christmas break.


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[Assistant] Friday before Christmas break, the California probation parole...


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[Assistant] Call, contact me, they're supposed to contact my probation officer down in Texas. They contact me and say, oh yeaah, we denying it. And what they were denying was my


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[Assistant] Right to come out to California to show them my living status.


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[Assistant] Like pay registration for my house or my car and like showing them that I live out here and shit like so they can build a case and see if they like, if I'm legible.


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[Assistant] For them to be like, oh yeaah, let's accept him or not. They dubbed me before they even said any of that shit. And basically what I think it was, it was like, it was like the week before Christmas, so she just ain't wanna have on that paperwork load and shit. So, she just was like, fuck that shit type shit.


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[Assistant] It's so crazy cause like, there's so much other things, like I'm a, I got a documentary I'm working on to explain the whole shit, right?


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[Assistant] But it was so much other shit that went into this case that, like, even for the jury not to believe.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? They didn't, like, that's what they said. They didn't believe the prosecution's side. They didn't believe anything. They just thought something happened.


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[Assistant] But they don't know what happened. That's literally what they told my lawyer after trial. That's literally what they told the private eye guy that called two, three weeks or a couple months after my conditioning. And then it's like,


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[Assistant] I don't know, bruh. I just, I don't trust this sister. Ben ain't trust it.


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[Assistant] And then going into the trial, the prosecutor's like, I trusted Jerry, I trust the system. I bet you do.


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[Assistant] It's another case that just happened more like two, three weeks ago. This shit crazy. And I like feel blessed.


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[Assistant] At first I felt like I lost and I was like, man, this shit over with, like damn, all this shit. They got me on some fuck shit, right?


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[Assistant] But it's another case in Kansas or Arkansas, Arkansas, a guy named Albert Wilson. He just got convicted of rape.


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[Assistant] He go to a bar, he 20 years old, he get caught with a fake ID, he got a fake ID.


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[Assistant] She, or, I don't know, 17 or 18, she didn't have an ID, she didn't even get caught. Boom. They both at a bar, underage. They start kissing at the bar. They leave, go to his joint. They go to his joint.


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[Assistant] Whatever happened, I don't know what happened. They was in there for five minutes. This is on camera. They see, the camera shows how long they went to his house and went back. His house was literally like across the street from the bar or something.


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[Assistant] So they go to his house, he get a phone call that his friend's doing something at the bar, so he leave within five minutes. Right? He never had sex with that girl or nothing.


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[Assistant] He kissed her on the dance floor or kissed her at the house or whatever it was. He never had sex with her. It was five minutes. They go back to the bar. She claimed rape. He's convicted right now and he's in jail.


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[Assistant] And he's doing 12 years. The fuck? Right now. He just got convicted like three weeks ago.


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[Assistant] He's doing 12 years right now. And all he did was kiss this girl. But, it's not even that he's in jail for kissing a 17 year old.


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[Assistant] Like some pedophilia shit. No, he's in jail for raping her. Like that's his charge. His crime is.


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[Assistant] The past few days I've just been like...


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[Assistant] Trying to accept it. Cause at first we was like,


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[Assistant] I don't know, like lately I've just been trying to learn to accept it because it's really, this world's so shitty.


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[Assistant] That we can see injustice. We can see all the fucked up shit. Bruh, there's literally genetically modified fruit and food being sold at grocery stores.


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[Assistant] And people eating that shit. Like, it's accepted. Nobody's doing anything about it. Nobody's out crying about it. Nobody's saying anything.


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[Assistant] You gotta watch the fruit like it's a fruit. If the fruit has five numbers on it, starting with a nine, it's organic. If it has four numbers, starting with a four or a three, the shit is genetically modified.


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[Assistant] And people who's eating this shit, there's nobody doing anything about it. Trump's in office, like, that man, Albert Wilson, is locked up for this shit. What is anybody doing anything about it?


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[Assistant] Niggas is fake. This shit fake. Everybody wait till a nigga die.


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[Assistant] Everybody wait til nigga something happen and then they wanna be about this whole movement and all these movements and shit. Y'all ain't doing that but cancel the nigga on Instagram.


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[Assistant] Movement don't do shit in the streets. Y'all don't stop nothing. Y'all ain't trying to do nothing different. You know, fuckers still want to work a job. You still want to work for the government. You still want to be a part of this motherfucker system. So ain't shit going to change. So what I'mma do, I gotta learn to accept it. Because you motherfuckers crazy.


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[Assistant] Niggas like the shit. That would fuck me up the most because I was thinking motherfuckers gonna think something different of me.


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[Assistant] Ain't nobody really on that shit, nigga. No, what's up with me?


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[Assistant] It just, I was convicted in front of 12.


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[Assistant] White people, uh, 40 years old, 30, over 30, and already had perception of Black people, already had perception of rappers, already, if, if not already had a perception of me.


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[Assistant] And they trust so much. This the government y'all pay taxes to. This the, these the folks y'all vote. This y'all prosecute and y'all community want convictions.


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[Assistant] But you want a conviction that bad, it's like sad, bruh. It's crazy that, and then, like I said, it's like nobody wants to change it, so what can I do?


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[Assistant] I mean, it wasn't even that bad as, it wasn't that bad like, you know what I mean? But she got a whole nother fan base, they don't know nothing about me.


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[Assistant] And like, try to reach out to a friend, like, or did anything with...


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[Assistant] Me and her fans, well, her fans could see a better perception than I was on media silence.


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[Assistant] That was, it was probably harder on her. Cause like I said, ain't nobody saying nothing to me.


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[Assistant] Cause everybody know what's up and so, that shit is what it is.


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[Assistant] I like, and I'm glad she did that shit too, man, cause it was a lot of shit that, it wasn't even like wild shit, but it's just like, even just like, like I said, it's just shit for her more than me. Cause I say some wild shit and it reflect on her, like, like, you know.


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[Assistant] That's the thing people don't realize, the things you do, your actions.


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[Assistant] Hurt more than just you, you know what I mean? So it's like, that was something she was teaching me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, nah, that's some back home shit for real. The Virginia girls love DC name.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about that. I want a whole peaceful wave.


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[Assistant] Them joints definitely went- Those went up. They went crazy for a Gleece album. So go get that too. Gleece album out right now. It came out in 2018. That was really like a stepping stone for-


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[Assistant] What's about to happen right now. So right now we're getting ready for CFE, CF4. Clean, Satisfying is full.


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[Assistant] You know, I guess you remember me. Everybody knows from CF3 and you know, I mean, if you go before that Strong and all that other shit, but like my main shit.


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[Assistant] Everybody, like, that changed the game and influenced everything right now, like a lot of these rappers right now, was CF, Clean Shadz, Finest 3.


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[Assistant] And I still listen to that shit to this day, like I love that tape. But what I did with this one is just like that.


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[Assistant] Not like same, like not like, oh I tried to do the same song or nothing like that, but it's like, it's game changing. And it's like, I knew what I, I know what I did now.


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[Assistant] I saw what mistakes I made before. I was too ahead of the time. And they weren't ready.


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[Assistant] So now, I waited enough time and this shit about to come out right on time. You know what I mean? Right around the time where they ready for this shit.


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[Assistant] And everybody's like on this peaceful wave and shit like that. We just dropped a video.


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[Assistant] Asylum. Right. We were asylum with that last tape. Leash.


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[Assistant] Literally what happened, like niggas in the labels like, so what happened? Like, where'd you go? Like, y'all know what the fuck happened, bro. Like, come on, bro. And then, when we get into this shit, like,


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[Assistant] So how the fuck you think I got y'all attention in the first place?


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[Assistant] It was after they paid me. It was like when it's time to push me and shit like that, you know what I mean? Like the money was already in my pocket and they was like stalling and shit.


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[Assistant] Uh, nah, they tried to fake bench me.


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[Assistant] Message to all the artists that's independent. If you blowing up and you got a hit song and your shit popping and like everybody fucking with you, right? And then the labels start coming. Don't sign to them.


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[Assistant] Right then and there, bruh. Full fact, like, I'm not saying they're gonna do this or all this other shit, right? Just off of simple facts, statistically speaking, your shit hot right now.


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[Assistant] Maybe two, three months if it's really that good, you know what I mean? Six months really that poppin' and shit, you know what I'm sayin'? It takes three to six months for paperwork to finish.


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[Assistant] So if you do a deal with a label and...


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[Assistant] They gon' try to do an album with it. They not, unless you really got that much clout, they not gon' really try to sign you for really a single. The single has an option with an album. You know what I'm sayin'? So, if you sign to them,


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[Assistant] So by that time, if you haven't kept pushing and moving for yourself, if you get comfortable, like I'm about to sign with a label and they telling me they want all this music and I'm not about to drop anything until I finish this deal, then that whole time you're slacking.


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[Assistant] And then in between that time, your career is going downhill while you're waiting for the check to come in.


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[Assistant] The time I took off was fucking with them.


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[Assistant] Shit they like, they was like, it was like working, it was like going to the DMV.


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[Assistant] I finessed my way out of that, off the, you remember when we did the Make America Glitch again? You remember you coined that tone.


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[Assistant] You definitely did big numbers with that, right? When we did that whole, when I finally started doing that whole little wave, that was like enough like,


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[Assistant] Buzz, for the label to be like, oh let's hop on this, let's hop on this. He, he back on his shit. He back, he back popping. Like, they thought, like,


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[Assistant] I don't know what the fuck they thought, like, they, I don't know, bruh, I don't, they, they, they, they would just be trying to cap. And my definition of capping is like, a nigga trying to get the most for the least amount of work. That's a label. They're like, oh, he's hot. Let's sign him, but let's let him do


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[Assistant] What he does to keep him hot. All we doing is putting money in his pocket and now whatever he does, we taking money from him.


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[Assistant] They don't do artist development anymore. You know what I mean? So it's not about the budget. The budget you get in your advance, that's for you to create your artistry.


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[Assistant] Like some Travis Scott budget where you put a fucking face in London and put a face in New York and put it, like that shit cost money. That motherfucker's like, fuck no, unless that shit makes sense. Like that shit ain't retarded shit. Like nobody's doing that shit, bro. Like Tyler got a budget for that Igor shit right now.


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[Assistant] Fuckin' with his clothing and just like all his other little business ventures and shit. But, that-


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[Assistant] Comes with budgets, you know what I mean? And labels don't even want to spend that budget on shit like that, so.


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[Assistant] The only time I ever did anything with a label was with the Glee shit with Asylum. That was the only thing. One, it was really a single with an option with a project with an option for an album.


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[Assistant] But they cancelled the album because of my case. They tried to fake, do the same shit my manager did.


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[Assistant] When it came down to doing an interview with some fucking blog or some shit, they was like, oh, we don't work with him anymore, some shit, whatever. Like, alright.


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[Assistant] People around me, we doing a lot of talking.


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[Assistant] I got my own label, Mo Kill Records, right? So we got artists around me and then about to just do a bunch of...


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[Assistant] Big business shit, big boss moves, signing artists, even if they don't sign to me, bring them to other labels, we figure out, you know what I mean, and projects and...


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[Assistant] Just, the whole shit bang. Like, shit that I ain't never done, down.


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[Assistant] A lot of these artists used to be mad at me for not doing. Like fucking with them and like really doing shit.


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[Assistant] But I don't be getting my points off of this shit now. You know what I mean? I used to do shit and I don't cap, I don't make money off of nobody else's shit. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] Now I'm be doing this shit like on some business mentality type shit and fucking with it. My bad.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so like I said, we gonna be doing big shit with a bunch of artists, a bunch of DMV artists back home, uh,


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[Assistant] It didn't be really hot right now. I know a lot of you motherfuckers in California are listening to these niggas. You bringing a lot of these niggas up here. Uhm.


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[Assistant] That's poppin'. Just be fuckin' with a bunch of niggas, bruh. Be out here doin' features and doin' a bunch of shit that I ain't been doin' before and just like, give them back.


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[Assistant] There's so many motherfuckers, uh, they got a nigga named Zyman, they got a nigga named- Zyman up next for sure.


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[Assistant] Rico Nasty is fucking crazy. She's like the Cardi B of DC.


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[Assistant] My young nigga, Hoolie. Hoolie Entertainment, like really in the streets right now from Southeast.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of motherfuckers in the city that's going crazy right now.


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[Assistant] So, we're about to give back to the community.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, now, fucking with my case, I've been having to stay here and...


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[Assistant] Go back to Texas and shit, so I've been going back home when it makes sense.


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[Assistant] Take shit. Other than that, I don't be really just sliding back in and just...


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[Assistant] Dipping and shit, I go back to see my family and shit, but I'm be out there and just chilling in the hood. Hey, Glee's back in the hood, motherfuckers. Chilling and shit.


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[Assistant] Bruh, it's hectic. We so, we working on a project, shooting videos. We got about four video shots.


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[Assistant] We just shot, piece of positive, we just dropped that shit. We just dropped that. So watching it, go watch that shit right now. Sophie's in that shit actually, I just told you that. Sophie's in it.


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[Assistant] I was just, like somebody was telling me that I should write for an artist, and Playboi Carti actually asked me to write for his album a couple years ago, and then my manager, Max, was like, you can't write for nobody, right? But the kill is, if we look back at it, when I did the song with Lean and Sadboi and shit, like,


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[Assistant] I took, not took, cause it was a feature with him, like I took his...


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[Assistant] Aura and mind together type shit, right? And that's what I did with Peace and Positivity. My nigga Visto, right there. Visto, come here real quick. And you can bring the snickerdoodles with you.


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[Assistant] So that's where, that's where that song came from. It was more of, he produced that beat for me and I was really about to do a feature with him and it was more like me about to incorporate his style and mine together.


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[Assistant] I ended up like just taking a song or some shit back shit, cause this shit was so crazy.


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[Assistant] And that's what that song is, like, peace and positivity, it's like, Gleesh, a day in the life of Gleesh as a hippie.