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[Assistant] And, uh, and Donovan Mitchell coming off the board first. And I thought Donovan, I thought Darius Garland came out in the third quarter. He was aggressive. I thought he got other people involved and I thought he did his part to get him back in the game. When you get him up by two or when the game's close, you down by two, up by two. Now your closer is supposed to get you home.


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[Assistant] But I'll say this, here's the winning, here's the winning formula for how to cast winning series. So you just, you gotta think of it in terms of how you think of it as an athlete in your psyche.


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[Assistant] If they come back, it's game five, you at home. You know you gon' have the crowd, you know you gon' have your roleplayers playing better cause it's at home. And you tell yourself, Kenny the Jeff Smith said this, he said,


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[Assistant] If you get to game five, you tell your boys in the locker room, man, we ain't losing at home.


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[Assistant] We're not about to lose at home. We gotta have some pride. We're not about to lose today. Right. So you know you ain't gonna lose that game. You say, okay, well we win that game. We go back to New York. Then you rational, rationality start kicking in. You say, okay, well look.


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[Assistant] The pressure on them. Now, we 3-2, pressure on them. What if we get out to a quick start? What if we up by 10 points? Everything, now they sitting there thinking, wow, you know what?


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[Assistant] Well, this is why you tweaking stuff. This is why I came, this is why I came in today with the blueprint. This is what you gotta do, bro. I'm just letting you know. Hey, Jared Allen? I like you, dawg. You're a nice dude. If I had a daughter, uhm, that was older, not like young.


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[Assistant] Or I had a sister, uhm, and I had people that I knew, like I love for them to date you, you're a nice dude, you got the afro, you're a nice guy, you play Dungeons and Dragons, all that good stuff, but right now you looking real spooked bro. You looking like, uh, I told her yesterday.


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[Assistant] I'ma put, take him off the bench. You need shooting. I'ma open this thing up. I'ma play Mowgli at the five. I'm putting Danny Green in the starting lineup. And I'ma go with Danny Green, Okoro, uh, Garland, and uh, uh, Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] And we can roll with that. See, now I got three shooters, supposedly, allegedly, with Danny Green. We don't know if he's gonna shot, but he's supposed to, right? Right. We got the, Isaac Okoro, who now I can put on Brunson, full time, and now I got Mobley at the five. So now, everything's opened up a little bit, we can kick, we can drive, the paint is a little less, uh, uh, uh, you know, congested, and plus,


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[Assistant] Now I can kick the ball to Mobley at the high post. He can go one on one with Hardenstein. He can go one on one with Mitchell Robinson. And now you gotta guard me one on one instead of being able to drop off and do stuff.


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[Assistant] I look at it like this. I talked to Jason Lord. I said, this is all about the long-term viability of the roster, right? People will say, well, G. Bush, you having any jerk reaction again? I'm like, well, not really. This is actually kind of something they might want to think about. Moving forward, ask yourself this.


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[Assistant] Offensively, you can't even throw the ball to Jared Allen and get a bucket. Like you can't even throw him, he can't give you a drop step, a jump hook. So if he can't do that.


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[Assistant] What, what is he gonna give you? Like he's, he's just down there. And he's already getting destroyed in Office of Rebounding. And by the way, this is just the Knicks. This ain't the Bucks. Right. This ain't the Heat. Right.


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[Assistant] You are correct. You do have to, it's all about what you do in the playoffs, right? These two know it.


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[Assistant] That's all y'all, all we care about and then we'll talk about bowl games afterwards, but that's what y'all get paid for. Y'all understand that. The problem with the Cavs sometimes, and sometimes critiquing Cavs fans is,


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[Assistant] Y'all standards don't be where they're supposed to be. Listen, Donovan Mitchell is a great ballplayer.


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[Assistant] He got an opportunity to make his legacy. LeBron, I saw what legends look like. I saw Kyrie hit the shot. I seen him come down for 3-1 against the greatest team of all time. Now, you can't come back from 3-1 against the Knicks. Jalen Brunson's a nice little story.


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[Assistant] He's the upgraded version of Damon Stoudemire. That's who he is. Left hand and all.


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[Assistant] Alright, so when you talk about it, skill for skill, set for set. Kyrie's better. Now hold on.


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[Assistant] The legacy game at McNuggets ain't five. The legacy game is six. If they get there. If you get to six.


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[Assistant] And he put up, and he put up the 60 or whatever. That's what he gonna have to do. And in a redemption game, and the Knicks, he make the Knicks grab they nets. And we come back to Cleveland for game seven.


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[Assistant] Well, he did turn, Donovan's turning the ball over. We're not, we're not going to diminish what Kyrie did. I know people be probably, let's be clear.


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[Assistant] When you go back and look at that Kyrie series, I done seen this series a hundred times. When you go back when they came back from 3-1.


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[Assistant] They go out to Golden State in a game that him and LeBron get 40 a piece?


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[Assistant] Is one of the greatest, it was one of the greatest performances ever because they did exactly what we talked about earlier. They said, listen, we gotta go out and get one.


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[Assistant] If we can get one, it's me and you. So Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell, this is a game where you say, there is no way we're letting our team lose today. At home. At home. For sure. If we gotta get a hundred a piece, that's what it's gonna be. I never thought. And then you get that.


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[Assistant] Before we even get to the draft, I think this is a great opportunity to ask you a question. What were, what were both of y'all, when you woke up the day of the draft?


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[Assistant] What was you thinking, like, when you, when you woke up, you looking around, you're like, damn, Mr. Draft Day, was you nervous, scared? What was, what, what, what, what did you go through?


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[Assistant] I always look at it like, I used to be a huge dude with the draft, like looking at these people and pics and...


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[Assistant] What you start to realize is anything past like the first round, you get to the early second, you kind of start to lose.


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[Assistant] And be graphic tight ends from Florida, Atlantic. It just be like, all right. And plus you don't really know what they bored look like. Everybody's bored.


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[Assistant] But I don't, I don't like the mop because they got a running back going in the first, and I keep trying to tell people, we be confused here, like,


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[Assistant] So we got rid of Kareem Hunt because people told us that you don't need that many running backs, we're not going to pay him. Correct. So then you drafted Jerome Ford, who looked like a home run hitter at Cincinnati. Yep. So we got him, we like him.


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[Assistant] I look at some, some people, I ain't gonna say it ain't, I'm not gonna say he not the same, but you never know, like.


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[Assistant] I mean, you tore your ACL too. I tore both of mine. And uhm, like the left one is good. I'm like, oh, I can still jump. I do. I'm cool. The right one, the right one is like a newborn child that cried. I got a baby. I got to put ice on it. Like some people come back.


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[Assistant] And it don't, you ain't got that level of explosion. I'm not gonna say Chase Young ain't Chase Young like he used to be, but maybe they know something we don't, they don't know.


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[Assistant] We don't care how many pictures you got. Michael Allen. Michael Allen. And the great thing about her is she keeps, she keeps the same, like her game face is the same one. You can't really tell what she's thinking because it's always like the, yeah, I'm not impressed really right now. Exactly.


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[Assistant] I was like a little mercurial cat type cat. I was in all kind of.


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[Assistant] I remember it was our junior year and we already won a national championship, right? So he's a senior. State. State.


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[Assistant] I wasn't even playing. I didn't play offense. I want to start offense or defense. He used to be like every day, he used to come and be like, mid-vote.


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[Assistant] You gotta turn up, what you doing? Why you ain't starting? I said, bro, you asked him why? You the man! Go tell him!


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[Assistant] Two or three games, they were like, okay, we need to figure out if you good or not. So it was the first scrimmage after that.


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[Assistant] And then like one week before the first game against Garfield, I was balling. Like they said, we gonna put you in the lineup. And then somebody got hurt and I had to play both ways. So this dude, he would come out and he would be like,


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[Assistant] So I came out and I said, look man, uhm, yeaah, I need a visor. And they were like, for what? Now mind you, I said, yeaah, I got- You talking to the equipment people? Yeaah. And Coach Shim, shout out to Coach Shim.


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[Assistant] Shout out to my man. Listen, see, Mike didn't play.


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[Assistant] But he was like All American Safety, and they was like, we done had no running backs. Shout out to my man, Richard Grant.


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[Assistant] But uh, Richard Bradley. Richard Bradley was like, he played for this middle school called, like, Sours. And they had terrible uniforms. It was like, gold and red.


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[Assistant] But this dude, look, no joke, no joke, like, he was just like, he was fast, he was elusive, like, no, he didn't play, yes, it's the story every day.


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[Assistant] The thing about, the thing about Tim Friedman, the thing about Tim Friedman, we all like, so we, we, we all played basketball too. So we played basketball. So Tim Friedman was the dude that could run.


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[Assistant] He, there, there's so many, there's so many crazy games, like games, like there's, you know, Coach Kyle came up here and he talked about you hitting it. I was just at the Pro Football Hall of Fame talking, and they, the dude ran up on me, pulled up on me. He said, yo, G-boy, I love your stuff, but I want to ask you something about yourself. We don't care. Was the greatest football player you've ever seen? Is what Mike does.


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[Assistant] Knocked the guy out at the one yard line. I said, bro, I'ma keep it real. What is this story? I've heard this story. Look, bro, it's, it's, look. It's legendary. We was playing Save Me Nate, and by the way, just to, just to make it be clear,


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[Assistant] We sitting there, we running it, we running like a, we running three, we rushing three or whatever. So we rush three, he kinda evade, we was rushing, he step up, I ran right past him. He stepped up and threw the ball.


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[Assistant] This is crazy. Yes. So you know, I don't be forgetting nothing. I don't forget nothing. So they used to put this, they put this play in specifically.


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[Assistant] The moment. Yeaah. The sticks. I, I told, I was gonna be, I was gonna be non deep knee jerk. I said, when do we gotta wait to talk about it?


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[Assistant] They say, I said Memorial Day, but right now it's looking kinda... I think you separate short term and long term. I'm not saying...


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[Assistant] Yes. And we kind of talked about this. We said, you know, when you got a lot of guys who are young and have, and you're basically overproduced.


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[Assistant] Now you come back to this year, and you can see theoretically two, three of these guys not perform as well as they did last year. Right. Uh, Miles Straw, and by the way, even Miles Straw, he was back in 300. He's down to 253. He came down a lot.


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[Assistant] There was a time, well actually, I think the Guardians or Indians lost and they were going to play them cause they was up 3-1. Yes, that year. Yea, yea, yea. It was a 3-1.


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[Assistant] You know, it's so crazy, but back then it just goes to show you how, what happens.


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[Assistant] Back then, everybody played baseball. Like, you just had, like, it was like, even the basketball players played, the football players played, everybody played. That's a shame. Uhm, especially in the hood, everybody, we go to Shanafel, we'd be down there and playing. So it's like, and then by the way, they should let this dude try to switch hit too. I didn't like that.


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[Assistant] Yes. So I think- Fun Age. Back then, like his uncle-


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[Assistant] His uncle was the coach of the team. Like his uncle was a coach. He used to play for the Yankees. I played for the Royals. So back then, my dad was a coach. So they just basically told you, oh no, no, you gonna play. And back then, we was playing big schedules. We had to play these dudes four times. We had a 30 game season. We was 30 games. We was 30 games.


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[Assistant] Back then you had an opportunity that if you wanted to play whether it was at Babe Stern. Correct. And, and we played at the Southeast Community Center. Me and Mike Dawes teamed up to win.


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[Assistant] I think that the process was not becoming of the United States Senate.


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[Assistant] Christine Blasey Ford described Kavanaugh as stumbling drunk.


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[Assistant] When he finished, there was just silence. I said, what is all this? What are you doing? He said, just know that we'll have to destroy him.


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[Assistant] That seemed to be a big thing. Oh, intellectual feasts. Well, what the hell. You know, but that's Washington.


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[Assistant] The job was to cut this guy down. Get.


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[Assistant] Bork. It's now in the dictionaries of the United States and the world called Getting Bork.


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[Assistant] But I said, uh, you must have something to say. He said, I do. He said, I really do have something to say.


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[Assistant] I don't ever question McConnell. I mean, I worked with him. You don't want to mess with McConnell.


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[Assistant] For years, for decades, the left, as we call them, progressives, the Democrat party, were getting a lot of their agenda passed through the courts.


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[Assistant] He was very open about what he wanted to do, and he said he wanted a list. He said, can anyone get one?


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[Assistant] I just raised my hand, yes sir, and he said, can you have it by Thursday? We got the President a list of judges, and that's the Federalist Society's business.


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[Assistant] I find the references to the alleged sexual harassment not only unbelievable, but preposterous.


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[Assistant] Because Boogie is back, this time in the building.


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[Assistant] Nice. So we're going to have him for two hours and I think this is going to be a regular deal. I told him last week when he was in, I think everybody agrees, he's like Warren Sapp. He's like, I don't want to say mini Warren Sapp because there's nothing mini about you, but you're like,


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[Assistant] Are you still in recovery mode? Like how long does it take for your body to sort of bounce back?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's my fault. I'll take the hit on that. Busy, busy show. We're going to get Boogie's thoughts on everything that's busy for us in the sports world. Cavs, they're, you know, they're at the end of the plank. There's no space left.


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[Assistant] They've been in this hole before, but that was seven years ago when LeBron was on the roster. Uh, so can they dig out of this 3-1 hole? By the way, the same 3-1 hole that the Bucs find themselves in against the Miami Heat. We'll talk CAS, we'll talk NBA playoffs. Aaron Rodgers, it's official. I was surprised after it took this long that the deal happened before the draft.


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[Assistant] Everybody thought that every- it would happen when the draft was over.


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[Assistant] But it's a done deal. We'll talk about that. Does this legitimately make the Jets a playoff contender? Cause I think everybody's inclination is to automatically put the Jets in the playoffs now that Aaron Rodgers is there. They're an up and coming team, good talent, both sides of the ball. We'll talk about that. How, in fact, we've got a fun hypothesis or excuse me, hypothetical. Jets or Browns? Which one has a better chance of reaching the Superbowl? And if your answer is no, that's fine. Neither. Chiefs.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. So we'll talk about that. Also, Manny Ramirez, uh, later this summer, the Guardians announced yesterday they're going to induct him into the team Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] I think that's appropriate, but one of the questions that was really bouncing around yesterday in sports circles, should the Guardians retire his number 24? We'll get into that. We'll have that debate. I'm sure you have plenty of thoughts on that. You can share them with us. I'm sure we'll be reading some of those throughout the show.


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[Assistant] Meantime, 3-1 hole, guys. Woah. Woah. You take off one day and you forget about Bulls Bay.


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[Assistant] I encourage everybody to check out the speech too. It was, I love the way you formatted the speech. He basically gave five examples of people who gave something to him that wasn't of monetary value and how all of them had more value in what they offered you than actual money.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it's just kind of G Bush's story in general. You know, for those of you that know him and know and followed his career, uh, he was plotting through. He hit roadblocks. He had plenty of times where he thought this just isn't going to happen. He went into the corporate world, but along the way,


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[Assistant] There were people close to him that loved him, that stood up and gave him something that told him not to leave the path that he was on. So I think it's inspirational. I think everybody can take a lot from it. I think the crowd, packed lunch and a couple hundred people there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I think everybody that was there really enjoyed it too. So check it out, uh, it's up on, uh, on our YouTube page. Uh, is that all the business or we all caught up?


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[Assistant] Yeah, guys, wow, wow, wow, wow. Boogie, do you have an NBA team? Of course.


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[Assistant] I absolutely concur with that. Uh, his drive to the bucket to tie the game was, was incredible. Enough on the Lakers. This is a Cav show. Uhm, I know already. Man, Jace, we have to start with you.


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[Assistant] I don't know, was I the only one that picked the next in the series or did anybody else? Okay. But I didn't see it being this lopsided. Is this fixable?


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[Assistant] They can't step up and beat them. It's one thing if one of those two bigs can shoot like Kevin Durant. Right. But they can't.


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[Assistant] This is why I felt that the way last season ended was so punitive. It wasn't just because they didn't have a chance to make a playoff run.


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[Assistant] I think it's stunted this franchise's growth by a full year.


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[Assistant] They're getting hit in the mouth in these playoffs, and they're finding out, oh there is another level, there is another gear, and-


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[Assistant] They're not ready for it. Had they, if they were just able to get into the playoffs last year and experience last year what they're experiencing this year.


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[Assistant] This series might be going a different way. And with the bucks on the verge of elimination at the one slot, can you imagine the only thing that would stand between the Cavs and an Eastern Conference trip to the finals would be the Miami Heat?


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[Assistant] And, and they're gonna get bounced, likely, by a Knicks team that is just, I think they're very well coached. We talked about that coming into this series. I think Tibbs has hit all the right buttons. Yes. And with the exception of the Game 2 blowout, they have dominated this series completely.


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[Assistant] We had talked about some of the decisions that he had made in close and late games in the regular season. Uhm, misuse of timeouts, uhm, just, just some, some signs that were there and now obviously in the playoffs everything gets magnified.


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[Assistant] If this is it for them, and they lose game 5, and they lose 4-1, is he back now?


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[Assistant] The bench is, you look around, and it's funny because the Browns had issues at wide receiver and defensive line when they broke camp last year.


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[Assistant] Most fans just glossed right over that. Say, oh we got, you know, we're gonna be okay. We've got this, we've got that. And then you turn on the game and you realize, oh my god, it's, it's worse than we thought.


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[Assistant] When we look at the depth of this roster, we love the big four. We love that core four, but you realize in the playoffs where rotations are so critical, that bench is anemic. It is ugly. And by the way,


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[Assistant] But I think if they had a mulligan on the Kevin Love thing, I think they would use it because


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[Assistant] It gives him a veteran who has been there, a voice in that locker room that can say, guys, 3-1 isn't the end of the world. I know that from experience.


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[Assistant] Because as a fan and as a guy who's appreciated what he's brought to this organization and to watch his ebbs and flows, highs and lows, ins and outs throughout his tenure in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] At the time, he was still saying my thumb isn't right. He was coming off the injury and my eyes, we discussed this on the panel multiple times.


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[Assistant] I felt like once the play ratchets up in the playoffs, what is this guy gonna give you?


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[Assistant] I wonder what the machinations are inside the organization. Was it JB going to Kobe saying, I'm not going to use them. Let's move on. You know, was it, was it Kobe making that assessment?


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[Assistant] It's amazing how the fortunes of teams can change in the span of just a couple of months. Uh, it wasn't long ago the Cavs were sitting in the three.


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[Assistant] In the east. And the Lakers were 13th in the west. Thir-thirteenth.


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[Assistant] And look at the Lakers now. And you, you were big on the trade deadline at the deals. You said watch out.


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[Assistant] And you said right here on the show, watch out for this Lakers team. They're going to be, they're going to have a voice in what happens out west.


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[Assistant] That's where I feel, that's where, I mean, can anybody give me...


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[Assistant] A reason to have optimism moving forward.


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[Assistant] I don't know what they can do. Anything short of that, like if both of those things don't happen, there's zero chance.


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[Assistant] I think the proper question to ask the fans, should he be fired? I don't think he will because I'm with Jason. I think the last four or five years, the organization is being run completely different. Um, if this was, you know, younger, more cantankerous Dan, he's gone. Uh, but it's not. And I think because of that, he'll get another shot. And I just hope that we're not sitting here next April.


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[Assistant] He's 50 games under 500 for his career in the regular season, and he's 2-7 in the postseason. And I know that there are plenty of examples of guys just figuring it out. But guys, that's a pretty good sample size.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, here's the, the, the, the, where the rubber meets the road question, cause you said the clock's ticking. Clock's always ticking in sports. Always. You can hear it. It's deafening.


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[Assistant] You've got a coach that you're saying wouldn't have an advantage against the Knicks, wouldn't have an advantage against the Heat, let's expand it. Would he have an advantage against the Celtics?


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[Assistant] I heard he wants to buy the Pittsburgh Maulers. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.


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[Assistant] If you don't have a coach that you believe can win a championship, then what, what are you doing?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know what? It'll be controversial for a minute, but as soon as he starts winning there, it'll be okay.


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[Assistant] It's like a, like a, like a racing team almost, okay. So you've got the car and you've got the engine and the brakes and the tires and everything else. And the car would be the team in this case. And you've got Garland and Mitchell and Allen and Mobley.


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[Assistant] There are some other very important parts on that car that are woefully underperforming.


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[Assistant] And I just, I don't know if you put a perfectly calibrated team into JB's hands.


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[Assistant] How much do you have to see before we do know? So this will be, Wednesday will be his tenth playoff game. If he wins it, his winning percentage


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[Assistant] They still have Denzel Ward on this team, right? Well, I would say that because Denzel Ward because I know that they've upgraded


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[Assistant] I don't think either one of those guys is a double-digit sat guy. Let's turn to the expert, are they? I mean, I don't-


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[Assistant] I don't think they have either. No, I think you're right. And, and five picks. I mean, I know that...


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[Assistant] And that's the exact same reason why I would go with Ward. Man, ten is a lot.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this, uh, it's gotten to the point in the NFL that


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[Assistant] If you breathe on the quarterback wrong, it's a flag. And some of the flags that we've seen thrown


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[Assistant] You really ask yourself, what was the defensive lineman supposed to do? Turn matrix and hover over the quarterback after he's left his feet? Do you find that there's a difference in the way the leagues call?


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[Assistant] The hits on quarterbacks, like is the USFL a little more forgiving? Are they calling it as tight as the NFL? Have you noticed the difference?


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[Assistant] It really is. It's crazy. And I don't know that the game is better for it. You're right. Everybody wants to see offense and nobody wants to see these franchise quarterbacks go out. They're the ones that drive, for the most part, the ratings and the interest in the game.


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[Assistant] But holy cow, I mean, some of these flags you look at and say, what are they supposed to do?


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[Assistant] Uh, one of the things we wanted to ask you about was getting pressure on quarterbacks. There's various ways to do it. Last year, the Browns seemed to lock it down in a 4-3, and that was it. We rarely saw exotic blitzes. You didn't see corners coming. You never saw safeties come.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jim Schwartz is a guy that will mix it up. We'll see, he'll go wide nine. And that stretches things out. If you would, take us through the philosophy of some of these different looks and what you think of the wide nine and how maybe getting pressure is either harder, easier, what it does for the defensive front.


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[Assistant] Does it make things easier on the inside if everybody is more spaced out?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And I don't know if the Browns have that line back there.


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[Assistant] Do you know anything? You never played for Jim Schwartz, but being in the league, have you heard anything about his reputation? Maybe you have friends or guys that you know or played with that have played in that system. He was in Philly and they were racking up sacks like they were nothing.


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[Assistant] You know, that's an interesting statement that you made because I think it's certainly, I think he's in that conversation now, Jay. Greatest, perhaps the greatest defensive player ever. I mean, when you, when you start


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[Assistant] Running down the list of guys like LT and Ray Lewis and guys that...


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[Assistant] were impacted. Think about all the kids that grew up in their backyards pretending


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[Assistant] To throw that last second quarterback touchdown to win a Super Bowl. Like it's very rare that you see one guy


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[Assistant] Win a Super Bowl with multiple defensive plays on that last stand. It just, and even on that last play you just knew Donald's gonna do something because that's what he does. That's what he's been doing this whole drive. That's so rare. Is, where does he fit in the pantheon of all time great defensive players?


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[Assistant] And that to me was the cost, which, you know, I know he's at the end of his career and who knows how many years he's gonna give them, but...


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[Assistant] When I finally saw the details, I'm like, it took that long for this?


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[Assistant] Take a look at what the Browns, now I know that you're talking about 10 years in age difference, maybe more, but look at what the Browns gave up to get their piece, and then look at what little the Jets had to give up to get their piece, and theirs is, you know, I think the big question is for how many years?


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[Assistant] I don't think either one of them are going to the Super Bowl. And to your point, the one year, give me the Jets. Over the next five, give me the Browns. Absolutely. But for next year, in watching the Jets,


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[Assistant] And I know that they had similar seasons in a lot of ways, but I just think they're closer than we are because of their, I think they have an elite wide receiver, elite wide receiver, who's only going to get better. And when you pair him with a guy like Aaron Rodgers, who knows what to do with an elite receiver, because that's the other part of this,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think they're slightly closer, but I don't, I think...


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[Assistant] You know, the Jets probably have a better chance of making the playoffs, but neither team's going to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] So what do you think the jets are closer to? Do you think they're closer to Stafford and the Rams? Or do you think they're closer to Russ and the Broncos?


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[Assistant] Cause that's a great, that's a great point. There was a huge disparity in those two quarterbacks, those home run quarterback moves.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wanna guarantee. Come on. He's gonna start.


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[Assistant] When you look at their roster, you think you're looking at their minor league roster.


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[Assistant] There's no names that you would recognize on the okra.


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[Assistant] There has never been the disparity at the most important position from one league to the other that exists right now at quarterback in the NFL.


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[Assistant] So, so who's number two though? I don't even know, that's a bunch of- Cousins? Dak? You know what it is? It's like walking a used car lot.


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[Assistant] And Alan, and throw in, you know, throw in, I think Herbert's gonna have a breakout season this coming year. I don't know why I think that, I just do. I've thought that for a couple years and it hadn't really happened yet. I thought he was gonna last year as well, but I think he's poised this coming season to have an MVP type season.


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[Assistant] Those four guys are head and shoulders above.


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[Assistant] The best two in the NSC, which I don't even know who that number two guy would be.


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[Assistant] I don't, I want to, but you know what, I've bought that gold four or five years and it's, I take it to the counter and they're like, I'm sorry sir, this is a rock that's painted gold. Actually, that's iron pyrite. Is that what it is?


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[Assistant] Well, that's what, to me, that's what Dak is. He, you know, what's crazy is how often in sports do you really get a mulligan?


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[Assistant] And I thought last year they really got a mulligan from their playoff loss.


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[Assistant] They're against the same team, they're in the same situation, and what do they do?


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[Assistant] I mean, to me, the capper, this is, here's the shame of it.


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[Assistant] The last play in the career of Ezekiel Elliott's cowboy's career was him getting completely trucked.


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[Assistant] What are the odds of that happening?


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[Assistant] I advocated last year, I think there should be a package of plays for Myles Garrett. I'd like to see him line up as a Titan. I'd like to see him line up in the backfield. The dude is an athlete. Why wouldn't you use him in a mismatch situation, particularly as a Titan? I think he would be.


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[Assistant] Or, you know, anybody other than a linebacker, you know, they see him come in and line up as a tight end.


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[Assistant] Wouldn't it be fun to watch though? I'd watch him line up as a running back.


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[Assistant] Did we ever on the show talk about his comments the other day about the obstacle course at the Pro Bowl? Did that come up on the show? Because I was in the gym working out and I listened to his comments and I'm like, whoa, that's going to get, that's going to get some traction.


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[Assistant] You know what's next is like, you get a slot in a, in a, in a series, or in a show.


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[Assistant] Now have you gone on any calls for like roles in a TV series or anything like that yet?


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[Assistant] That's awesome. That is, that is really cool. When you're on some big HBO star, uh, show and you're a star, you're coming back on the show, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I got snookered. And their chairs are like the old hard plastic school chairs. Like how can you, you can't make a chair that uncomfortable if you try.


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[Assistant] I think, and outside of Kenny Lofton, I think the next number they should retire should be Jose's.


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[Assistant] And follow my logic. If you look at the guys that have their numbers retired. Now I know that the game was much different. The players were not nearly as transient as they are now. Guys played their entire careers with one team.


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[Assistant] Now that's, nobody does that. Like when Derek Jeter retired, you literally were thinking, is this going to be the last guy that starts and ends a Hall of Fame career with one team? And they certainly don't do that in Cleveland, Ohio. Manny took


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[Assistant] Fifty million less than he could have. The Blue Jays reported offer was worth much more than what the Guardians offer was. I think that retiring a player's number should be reserved for a guy like Jose Ramirez, who had an opportunity to leave


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[Assistant] All of them left from that 90's core team. All of them left.


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[Assistant] Kenny Lofton, to me, he had three different stints here.


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[Assistant] Fans loved him. I mean, that was the show. That's right. You know what? The one caveat to me is no World Series.


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[Assistant] Most of the guys that had their numbers retired, like Frank Robinson was historical. He was the first black manager. He wasn't a player here of any note. He, you know, he spent his career with the Baltimore Orioles.


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[Assistant] All of those guys won championships and played their careers in Cleveland. I think all of them.


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[Assistant] their entire careers. Bob Feller, obviously, you know, you talk about an American hero. Here's a guy that in the height of his prime.


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[Assistant] When I went to the Iowa recruiting station on December 8th, 1941 and signed up to go fight the Japanese in World War II.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, like that's the kind of stuff you reserve retiring a player's number for.


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[Assistant] One, two, and three in the history of home, uh, of the Indians and Guardians and home runs are Tomi Bell and Ramirez. Okay, Tomi Bell and Ramirez.


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[Assistant] The three of them combined to hit over 800 home runs just here.


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[Assistant] Now they played more of their seasons outside of Cleveland than they did here.


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[Assistant] Those three combined for 800 home runs, they never won a World Series. By the way, to show you where this team is now,


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[Assistant] Those three hit more home runs than the Guardians slash Indians have hit in the last five seasons combined, as a team, together. And they didn't win a World Series.


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[Assistant] In the, in the, in the era, in the, this era. It is, it is in the modern era, but here's another thing. That Braves team, for all of its greatness and for all of their multiple National League East division titles, they only won one World Series and it was against us. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] I will completely second that. It sounds like sour grapes. It does. It does. But the facts are the facts. They're unchangeable.


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[Assistant] That team did not win a World Series despite having three of the greatest power hitters ever. Statistically, the three greatest power hitters this franchise has ever seen. And they were all there together for a number of years and they did not win a World Series. That's an indictment.


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[Assistant] Man, yeaah, it's just, I'm not for retiring is number one.


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[Assistant] I just wonder, uhm, I was talking to some of the folks at the Guardians at Spring training about Albert Bell not showing up when he was put down.


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[Assistant] Well, you told me that he has issues with the organization and how they treat Latin American players.


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[Assistant] But closer at that point. And sometimes it, the words of an organization when they come directly from the mouth of the owner have so much more weight than if they're relayed through and through and through. First of all, I've always viewed it as a sign of disrespect.


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[Assistant] I wanna think it was, it was like the fall of 86 and


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[Assistant] It was the perfect time to buy. The whole idea of buying is buying low and selling high.


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[Assistant] What they did here, you're right, was business genius. They bought a franchise that many thought was on the verge of leaving. Because the stadium was a relic. They were where the Oakland A's are now. Because if you think about how cavernous the Oakland Stadium is,


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[Assistant] Municipal Stadium was built to host the 1920 Olympics or whatever, whatever year it was, 32 Olympics I think. It was this big round Olympic type stadium and


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[Assistant] It was the last thing you want to do in there is play baseball.


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[Assistant] No, but they were losing a hundred games a year, and the Jacobs brothers waltzed in by the team, and then threw some very shrewd moves.


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[Assistant] Draft well and then they bet on all of these young kids at the same time.


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[Assistant] Alright, I have to check that out. Alright, so to explain this game to us, I think you're gonna love this.


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[Assistant] There we go. So what were they beefing about at that time? You remember?


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[Assistant] Maybe 20% of the Buckeyes roster will play professional football. Right. And to your point, all of you guys have reached that point. I would watch though. I would watch.


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[Assistant] See, I'm thinking, I'm thinking that's real because that was back in the day where you got 140 characters and he ran out at the end and just want mins instead of minutes.


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[Assistant] I am here today not because I want to be. I am terrified. I am here because I believe it is my civic duty to tell you what happened to me while Brett Kavanaugh and I were in high school.


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[Assistant] I'm very interested to see the list, cause I would be fair about it today.


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[Assistant] I tell you what it was. I had, so before taxes, I had 37,000 after taxes took 20, 20,000 of it and I went home with 15,000, 15 grand. So you were like a 60% tax


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[Assistant] I thought I got fined. That's how bad it was. I literally walked upstairs and said, can I talk to somebody? Did I get fined? And they was like, no, that's just taxes. I said, you gotta be.


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[Assistant] I'm not, you know, this is a sports show and I understand that, you know, we want the best for the Browns and stuff like that. And they, yeah, they, I would like a new stadium, but


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[Assistant] I mean Mayor Bill Bright, man, I'd rather see the city cleaned up and have a better lakefront than, than I think the Brown Stadium is cool as it is right now. And if you got, if you got a guy who's invested in Milwaukee. I think that might have had something to do with it. He got the money. I said at the time, I said now he's going to come.


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[Assistant] As a mayor, your job is to look out for the best interests of the city. Right. And make the city more appealing. You know, it's, it's violence stuff going on. You're trying to stop the violence. You're trying to make downtown a peaceful place for people to come to. I remember he sat in here and he was talking about that lakefront, trying to get houses and stuff up there and get companies to be on that lakefront.


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[Assistant] If you do this, obviously you just scrapping his whole plan of what he wanted to do to make Cleveland a more appealing city and more of a place that people want to be, but.


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[Assistant] I mean, like I said, the stadium is nice, but you definitely, if you the owner, you gotta pay for that yourself. You can't keep asking them.


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[Assistant] So if they did, so say they did use public funding, would that be a tax credit for those people or something like that?


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[Assistant] What do y'all think makes downtown more attractive? A big megaplex stadium that can have all these events? Or, uh, new restaurants, new businesses, new houses? Yes. Which one?


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[Assistant] So if I move. If I move. Would that affect everybody else business? Of course it would. Okay.


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[Assistant] Well I thought, I always thought that was part of the piece that got Deshaun to come, cause everybody was like...


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[Assistant] Tim, we're at the, towards the end of this, this regular season, we see Evan Mobley, you know, step on the scene. He was scoring. I mean, he was having 20, 30 point game and then these playoffs, you know, he's getting, uh, 12, 13 points. Is that more who he is or do you think as these playoffs go against these Knicks that he'll find a way to get that offensive game back?


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[Assistant] Legs, let me ask you about Isaac Okoro. I mean, obviously he's been struggling offensively ever since he's come back. Really had an up and down season towards before he got hurt, he was, seems like his offensive game was getting actually better. Now that we're in the playoffs, how long does JB give him before he pulls the plug on him and takes him out of the rotation?


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[Assistant] Somebody's told me that if you have two girls, the chances of your third one being a boy is very slim to none.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because with it being legalized and sports betting being legalized, it's more accessible on your phone. And you think you could be slick and try to hide it through your girl or somebody else doing it. They figured that out and figured out that it's you. But the thing that's getting me is that it's always been one year. I'm interested how the other two guys six games.


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[Assistant] Yes, because the reason is, so for example, if I play football, but my best friend is Kevin Durant, like I still can talk to Kevin Durant and he'll be like, yeah, such and such ain't feeling well.


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[Assistant] I don't tie this. No, anything with money revolve. No, you can't.


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[Assistant] Listen, I need Austin Ecklund to get 15 points tonight. If I'm watching it, the chances of him getting to 15 points increase.


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[Assistant] Listen, listen, Donovan Mitchell going crazy tonight. I'm gonna let y'all know that right now. It's a homecoming for him.


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[Assistant] Y'all know how he feels about the Knicks. It's the Garden. He gonna need to have a game to let everybody know that the Garden is not what y'all think it is. He needs to keep the Cavaliers calm and get them to come with him. So big game to him. I'm thinking nothing less.


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[Assistant] Then 35, anything under 35, I'd be disappointed from him. Uhm, yeaah, you know, Spike Lee gonna cry. You know how he do. You know, he be on the sideline. He gonna be disappointed. He gonna be sitting there throwing his hands up like somebody do something with Donovan. Just my prediction for tonight.


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[Assistant] Even though I'm not, I don't agree with the fact that they about to fly out soon and I don't like that.


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[Assistant] Did I just miss everything? The worst, the worst is where you take a nap at like, you take a nap around 4 or 5 o'clock and you wake up around 7 and you can't tell if it's


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[Assistant] Gee, I can't, I wake up numerous times throughout the night checking the clock, cause I'm thinking I'm late. I can't help it.


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[Assistant] So, minds came, minds came because my first year at Ohio State, I'll never forget, I enrolled early, so it's January. We start mat drills on Wednesday, 5.55, they blowin' the horn. The first mat drills.


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[Assistant] My phone, I had a droid. My phone cut off in the middle of the night. So my alarm never went off.


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[Assistant] And we call them Jesus walks. You had to get the, you had to get on the stair master and they make you hold a stick over your head like this and you had to run on the stair.


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[Assistant] It's the most, bro. I'll tell you, I've been paranoid ever since. I wake up every time.


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[Assistant] I really only like to wear the ones that Mike wore. Don't take these on my feet today.


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[Assistant] No, no, wait a minute. Gee, let me get this right. You, you did all, you set the wedding up and decided to call it off but still marry the same woman a year later? Yeaah, yeaah.


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[Assistant] So, and that was, we was talking about the 90 Day Fiance thing. He did give us a whole two hour lecture. He could have summed up in two minutes. That was the thing.


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[Assistant] But everybody says that the regular season has nothing to do with the postseason. Well, it has something.


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[Assistant] But they made the playoffs, they've been in the playoffs. Didn't they go last year? Yea, they- Two years ago. No, they lost- Oh, it was two years ago.


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[Assistant] The Hawks, you think the Hawks can go in there and win it, but the Cavs can't?


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[Assistant] The most underrated player in the NBA is Giannis Antetokounmpo because y'all won't agree that he's the best player to ever play this game. So therefore he's underrated. Label him underrated until you call him the greatest.


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[Assistant] I don't see, I don't know man, I tell you what, I just, for some odd reason, I feel like the Cavs will win this game. Now I can see them losing game 4, but I can see them winning game 3.


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[Assistant] Exactly. He gonna have something and now JB's gonna have to test his in-game adjustments to be able to win this game.


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[Assistant] I like what he did. He had 48 hours to prepare for it. Last year in the play-ins, his in-game adjustments were terrible. Poor. Poor. It's a learning experience. Right, he's gotta be better at that.


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[Assistant] It's a lot of, it's a lot of adrenaline tonight.


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[Assistant] And I'm, you know what? I'm gonna make sure you see him because I'm a FaceTime share my screen and just go through all what people are saying about him. So y'all listen after the Cavs win tonight.


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[Assistant] I'm going to tell you why the Cavs is going to win. Because there was a difference between 1 and 2. The biggest difference is that in game 1, the Cavs never quit. The Knicks quit in game 2. They got quit in them.


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[Assistant] Send me and Earl's picks separately so we can make stack graphs.


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[Assistant] The question again for people, what pick specifically should the Browns trade up for? Who should they take at that pick?


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[Assistant] I mean it's obvious. I picked three linebackers who they should go after. Obviously, Jack Campbell is a guy who's gonna be there second or third round. Don't look at him like that. He's a tackling machine. His instincts is unbelievable. I like him. Yeah, so why are you looking like that? Cause he ain't never gonna be where you at. He is gonna be there.


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[Assistant] Anyways, listen, I'm not about to buy into your children's games, okay? Jack Campbell, like I said, he might be there second or late third, not late, early third round. The Browns could trade up those. They could package those two third round picks and move up in this late second round to get him. They could definitely do that.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Next pick. Whatever you want. My next pick. Next linebacker. That could be potentially a Cleveland Brown.


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[Assistant] Ivan Pace Jr., this kid right here is a, was a great tackling machine. PFF, he graded off the charts. He's in Cincinnati right now. It'd be an easy transition for him to come right up to Cleveland and play linebacker. He's a little undersized, but obviously we know how... What happened to the other half of his jersey? He, he likes Zeke, you know, Zeke probably...


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[Assistant] Listen, I am becoming the guy like the money bag guy. You see I carry my bag.


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[Assistant] He got an NIL deal where he needs to be on the field. He wasn't going to play over CJ. So why would he stay?


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[Assistant] I was, I didn't see it. He was third on the death chart too. I didn't see it. Some dude was like, that was a third string, jumped him to become the second string. I know.


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[Assistant] Oh, I didn't say I would move up for him. I said this was, these was all, I was assuming that these was third round picks. Oh, these are options. Yeah, but Jack Campbell is a, you might have to move up.


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[Assistant] I've never smoked in my life. Why are you jumping in the chat room? I was trying to see what Bull said. I was trying to see what Bull said. Like, Tyves don't do nothing. Somebody told me I'm corny.


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[Assistant] If you got, I don't beef with people on social media if I got they number.


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[Assistant] Like, that's the thing with me. So when I see people beef, obviously they don't. Like, for example, me and Sherm, we cool. If I say something out of line or he says something out of line,


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[Assistant] And that would've won. I'm objective, to be honest. When they played, I forgot who they played last year. They played somebody in the playoffs and he would, it was when they played the Nets the year they won it all, I was mad at him because he wouldn't check Kevin Durant. I said, how you gonna be the best player in the world and the best player on the team, but you won't check they best player?


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[Assistant] I got the Cavs beating it. If they play the Bucks, yea I got the Cavs.


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[Assistant] It's the one, it's the one year anniversary of that coming up soon. Bobby said he was going to buy it. It's Bobby's fault that I had to do this. Bobby Carpenter. Bobby Carpenter told me, he said come to the event and just stand there and talk.


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[Assistant] Please. Haven't seen it, can't confirm. I got like the most kills I had in a match was eight, or sixteen, seventeen. You still can't hit my slider.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't blame Donovan's dad. Yea, no. He was there. I don't blame him. I do blame Donovan. Yea. I, I, I, you know.


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[Assistant] If you're gonna make me pick one, I'm actually gonna pick Donovan, because he's the one that was on the floor and he had a terrible series. They brought him here for situations like this, and he didn't deliver. Two years in a row, he got run by Brunson in the first round, he's been in the league six years, he's won two playoff series, he's never made a conference final.


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[Assistant] You got a lot to prove now as far as I'm concerned with Donovan Mitchell. And, and I'm gonna put a lot of blame on Kobe for constructing this roster. You know, I was joking with some people yesterday. They were complaining about JB.


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[Assistant] I don't know if JB's any good or not. I don't know. But I know that you gave him Hamburger Helper and Spoiled Milk and told him to go bake a cake.


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[Assistant] It's fascinating. Had the Cavs not made the Mitchell trade.


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[Assistant] I don't think anyone would be nearly as angry as they are now. No, certainly not. Because if they ran back the team they had from last year, and I agree with everything you said, like,


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[Assistant] But you could have gone out in the first round anyway. But it's, if they ran this back and they lose with Markkinen and they lose with Darius and Evan in the first round, everything goes the same. We're going to say, all right, well, hey, they took that step. Last year was the play-in. This year they made the playoffs. You know, they lost. It didn't go the way we wanted to, but that's okay. It's trading in the right direction.


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[Assistant] Everything changed when they made the dominance right. Once you traded for Mitchell, you started the clock.


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[Assistant] And, and that's why so much anger and vitriol is coming out today from all sides because like,


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[Assistant] Wow. Well here's, before we get to that, here's what's most disappointing to me about, this is why I'm so disappointed in Jared. Mitchell Robinson made fun of you after game three. Yes he did. He made fun of you with the shiver and the woo and you know, they're shook.


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[Assistant] What was your response? Let them punk your ass again in four and five. Yes. That's on Jared. That's on Donovan. That's on JB. That's on everybody. We saw what happened in the Memphis series when Dylan Brooks ran his mouth and acted like a moron and how the Lakers responded to that.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna say Trey Jared Allen based on this series. I'm not gonna say that. He had a terrible series.


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[Assistant] He has been a tent pole to what they do defensively. He is in the regular season. He's a linchpin to what they do. And I'm not gonna let one series say...


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[Assistant] You have to trade Jared Allen, but the bigger picture is what we alluded to earlier.


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[Assistant] Can you win in today's NBA with two non-shooting bigs? I mean, there's five guys in the paint when, I mean, Evans three point shooting regress this year. He's down to like 21%. So he's a non-shooting big right now. Jared Allen's a non-shooting big right now. So you have those two guys, the two guys guarding them. There's four. And whoever's guarding Isaac Okoro, there's five.


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[Assistant] Or Lamar Stevens, whatever. There's five guys in the painting. In a playoff series. You can't win that way. There's nowhere, and that's why I blame Donovan. I'm going to give him the bulk of the blame. But at the same time, I'll acknowledge there's nowhere for him to go on the court. Like you can't, there's no room because the floor isn't spaced properly.


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[Assistant] So for that reason, I think you do have to look at trading Jarrett, but you're right. Like when you get for Jarrett, it's kind of like...


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[Assistant] But you're not going to get what you really need, which is a wing who can dribble pass and shoot. Like those guys are the most valuable commodities in the league. That's what this team is missing. That's what they've been missing since Lebron left and they've never been able to fill that spot.


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[Assistant] They traded for Lowry marketing and they reworked him into being a three and then they needed Lowry for the Donovan trade.


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[Assistant] But that's the biggest most glaring hole on this team, is wings who can dribble pass and shoot. Especially the shooting part. I'm gonna say it all off season. Shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting. They've got to find more shooting. I don't know how they're gonna do it right now.


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[Assistant] I don't know if Jared Allen's gonna bring it back, but I do think that's something you have to explore, which is nuts! Because 11 days ago, we never would have said that. Earlier this season, I had cast people tell me, it doesn't matter what happens with Donovan, because we've got Evan, Jared, and Darius, and that's a great threesome to have. But I don't know that you can say that anymore.


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[Assistant] My opinion on him hasn't changed at all. Now, again, in the regular season, he shot 21% from three. That's gotta be higher. He's gotta get better at shooting threes to really reach his maximum potential. Here's the thing to remember about Evan. I mentioned this a few months ago. The Cavs are in a unique position because their best piece came last.


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[Assistant] And usually, your best piece comes first. You're a bad team, you tank whatever, you have a high draft pick, you get your foundational piece, and then you build other pieces around them.


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[Assistant] And the downside to that is, you know, you're in year four or five before you make the playoffs for the first time and now you're up against this contract.


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[Assistant] So that's the downside to doing it that way. The advantage the Cavs have is they drop their best piece in last so they have a lot of space now before they have to worry about his next contract. The flip side, the downside of that is


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[Assistant] He came last. He's only 21. This is only his second year and you're asking him to play a major, major role against grown ass men in this series when typically guys in his position are on rebuilding teams winning 30, 35 games and he's got a lot of time to grow and develop and mature.


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[Assistant] Again, when they brought Donovan in, it sped up his timeline too. And all of a sudden, the development of Evan Mobley took a backseat to winning, which it had to. That's the way it is.


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[Assistant] So, and I, I wrote it this year. I absolutely think some of Evan's growth was stunted by bringing Donovan here because you put the ball in Donovan and Darius' hands. They're the engine that drive this team. And Evan, you're going to have to get the scraps and figure it out where you can.


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[Assistant] Focus on Evan, Evan's growth, that's all gone once you bring Darius in. I don't have a problem with that necessarily, but it's going to stunt his growth. It's just the nature of it. So I'm gonna, I'm not gonna give him a pass for this series, but I didn't think he was the problem.


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[Assistant] He needs to make more shots in the paint. Yes. He needs to develop a better three point shot. Yeah. Yes.


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[Assistant] I, I saw nothing in this series that makes me say Evan is not the player. I know a lot of people are coming down on Evan and say stop with the Giannis, stop with the KG. I've always said Bosch, but Chris Bosch can hit a three and that's, that's where, that's, that's the part.


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[Assistant] They weren't great in this playoff series, but I don't think that means that they're doomed to fail in every playoff series. I think that they could have a ton of success in the playoffs together. But now we can have the Donovan conversation, and we've sort of been hinting about it for a while, and I've been trying to push it off and kick it down the road. I don't want to talk about this until we saw how it ended for them. Now we can talk about it.


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[Assistant] The talk all year long has been, Donovan's going to New York, the first chance he gets. Like every time I talk to people around the league, it's, well, Donovan's going to New York.


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[Assistant] Donovan had told you that at his introductory press conference. He said, I thought I was going home. I thought I was going to New York. He went there last night. We didn't ask him about New York. He brought it up. He's the one who mentioned again and said, I'm, I'm over it. Well, are you really? Because you're the one who's still talking about it. I didn't bring it up to you. And then once he brought it up, that's when I said, okay, what'd you mean by that?


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[Assistant] Then we had a little bit more of a New York conversation after the game last night, but only because he went there first. So you have two years of control left on Donovan Mitchell and then a player option year.


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[Assistant] More than likely, he's not picking up the player option. These guys want to get back into free agency and get their next contract as soon as possible. You have two years left.


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[Assistant] Do you really think after all the assets that the Cavs gave up to acquire him that they're going to run the risk of letting him leave and getting nothing in return for him? Right. No, you're going to have to trade him with a year left on his contract unless you get a big extension out of him, unless you get a commitment out of him.


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[Assistant] I don't think that's happening. From everyone I've talked to, he wants to go to New York. Now does New York want him? I don't know.


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[Assistant] That's, it puts it all on next year. That is the last time that you have him without having to...


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[Assistant] Worry about having this trade conversation. Right. And I'll say one other thing, and I wrote this today in the Athletic.


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[Assistant] In 2010, when LeBron left the first time.


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[Assistant] Dan Gilbert told all the people close to him, I should have traded him with a year left on his contract. Now think about that. LeBron James, MVP, best player in the league, Dan wanted to trade him in 2009. Says he should have traded him in 2009, and he would have come out and said, he wouldn't commit to us, we can't risk losing the asset for nothing, we had to trade him.


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[Assistant] If he felt that way then, and he has said, I will never let another player hold my organization hostage again. If he felt that way then, how do you think they're going to feel now and treat this now?


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[Assistant] I don't think so because Dan doesn't meddle on a day to day basis. His voice, the way it has been described to me in the past is Dan's voice isn't heard as often, but when he wants it heard, it is heard, it is loud. Something like this, he's in the mix. Yes, something like this, he is absolutely in the mix. So it's not so much the day to day stuff, but major decisions like this, he is still final say on stuff like this.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm sure that the conversation is fluid and constant in terms of what he wants.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeah, I guess. Yeah. Because that gives you more opportunity to recoup more assets. But that would also be admitting a mistake. That trading for him initially, if you trade for him,


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[Assistant] And you go to the playoffs and lose and win one playoff game and lose in the first round and then immediately trade him again, that's admitting a mistake. And I don't know that they're ready to admit that's a catastrophic mistake. And one other thing to keep in mind, you're going to see


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[Assistant] You're, this is, this is, I mean, I'm, we're talking about this now. You're gonna hear this about Yanis in Milwaukee. You're gonna hear this about Damien Lillard in Portland. All of these stars are gonna start exiting. And there's only so many monster trade packages going around in teams that fit.


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[Assistant] Do you want to be first or do you want to be last in terms of trading these guys?


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[Assistant] Not right now. But I do think Evan Mobley in year three is going to take another leap. You know, I do think Garland is going to be better for this experience.


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[Assistant] They need help. They need bench help. How are they going to get that? That's the fascinating thing. I don't know. And you know, I was talking to somebody this morning who said like, look at the heat. Max Drews played 30, I don't know, having front, almost 40 minutes last night. He was a league minimum guy that they developed. Uh, Gabe, help me out, Mikey. What's Gabe Vincent? Thank you. Gabe Vincent.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, look at you. Gabe Vincent played 39-40 minutes, league minimum guy. Kevin Love, they got off the scrap heap, got for nothing, league minimum guy.


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[Assistant] But the, but the problem is these are guys that are now two, three years into their development. It's hard to find these guys and have them be instant contributors right now on a championship team and the Cavs are out of time. If we're talking and listen,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna get this, like, this is gonna, people are gonna misunderstand this, that I'm saying they need to trade Donovan this summer. I'm not saying this, blame him, he's the one that asked me the question. I'm not, but I know how this goes, I'm gonna get blamed for saying that.


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[Assistant] That they need to trade Donovan now. That's not what I'm saying. I do think they run him back next year with him and play this out again. But he will be traded.


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[Assistant] I think, yeaah, the way it stands now, barring something, barring a deep, deep playoff run next year, barring a reason to get him to change his mind, I think the Cavs have to entertain the idea to trade him next offseason.


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[Assistant] Well, nobody ever runs it back the same. There's always change.


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[Assistant] I wrote, they're screwed. They're like, there, there, there is no way they can salvage this roster and fix this roster. And it was, I mean, the building was on fire.


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[Assistant] And he maneuvered enough, he found enough Magic Beans to get Rodney Hood in here and Jordan Clarkson in here and they were not great players, but it changed enough of the dynamic of the locker room that it got the Cavs back to the finals. Now they lost in the finals, but he made more moves than I thought.


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[Assistant] I didn't see. I didn't see the path to getting some of that stuff done. You're gonna have to do that again. And I don't, and again, I'm looking at this going, I don't see the path. Yeaah. I don't know what it is.


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[Assistant] He likes size. He likes playing big. He had no bigs to bring off the bench in this series. None. Dean Wade threw up all over his shoes.


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[Assistant] And he was the one guy who was the stretch forward who we thought could stretch the floor, give him some rebounding. He was supposed to be that Kevin Love replacement.


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[Assistant] And he was just haunted by the, by Kevin leaving Cleveland and fell apart.


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[Assistant] And that's why I've said for months, a lot of teams are going to have the Eme Odoka conversation because he was the best coach on the market and Houston beat everybody to the punch. Houston knew.


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[Assistant] I don't know that there's a great coaching option out there that is significantly better.


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[Assistant] But, I, I would put him third or fourth or fifth on the list of why they're in this position.


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[Assistant] They were turning turnovers into easy baskets. And to your point on the pick and roll, I know I mentioned this on the show before when I went and spent time with Mike Brown and the fantastic job he's done with Sacramento and I'm thrilled for him. Mike's one of my favorite people in the league and I think he's done a marvelous job in Sacramento. One of the first things he said to me was,


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[Assistant] In the post season, teams are going to take away what you do best. You like to run, pick and roll. That's the easiest thing to take out. What else do you got in your bag? And we saw that play out in real time in this series.


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[Assistant] JB grew up in the NBA first of all. So that's important. Like he grew up around the game. His dad was a coach. He gets it. He understands it.


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[Assistant] He's good at coaching defense. They've had a really good defense the last couple of years. Now I'll have a caveat to that in a minute and I have ADD, don't let me forget it. Okay. But.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the players do like him. Yes, they respect him and his offense. I didn't love the offense. I've said it all year. They're too pick and roll heavy. I don't see him running a ton of plays. They just run pick and roll, pick and roll, pick and roll. It's the first thing that gets taken away, but I don't think that we have a big enough record.


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[Assistant] Win you a series, but I don't think he's really going to lose you a series. And I think there's very few coaches out there who can really win you a series. But I said this before, the Cavs made a lot of mistakes those first couple of years post-LeBron. A ton of mistakes.


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[Assistant] And they've been able to cover most of them and repair most of them and fix most of them. The one mistake that I think could haunt them


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[Assistant] Was firing Ty. Ty and Kobe clashed badly after the championship, after LeBron left and all that. And it just felt like that was.


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[Assistant] Mistake that I think they made early on that they may not be able to recover from.


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[Assistant] But having said that, I don't know that we know definitively who JB is. JB took over a really bad team. You know, in the interim coach, the Rockets were a mess when he got the interim chance. I thought he got screwed in Memphis. I thought he was a better coach and he deserved more of a chance there.


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[Assistant] Uh, here, you know, he took over for B-line. The locker room was a mess. They hated B-line. The team was a mess. So that's a lot of losses that get pinned on him.


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[Assistant] Uh, really last year was the first time where he had a team that was ready to take a step. And they did. And this year, the 51 team, I don't want to compare.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, yeaah. They lost, uh, playing tournament games, and now they go out and get Donovan, and they lose in the first round. So I don't want to completely dismiss the regular season, but we've proven, and I've said a million times, the regular season is nothing like the postseason, and we saw that play out in the last couple of weeks.


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[Assistant] He's great at coaching defense and they had a great defense this year and defense isn't why, you know, everyone wants to scream about the rebounding and it was an issue. You know, yes, it was. And the guards can't be out rebounding your two bigs. But again, and last night's the exception. The Knicks shot the ball really well last night.


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[Assistant] But the first three losses, 99-101, 102 points. If you're holding a team to 99-101, 102 points, you should be winning those games. Especially in this NBA.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the defense is not why the Cavs lost this series, but I would, I will say this, like I've talked to people around the league who...


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[Assistant] Say like, you can have, you can't be the worst team defensively. I might have said this on the show the other day. You can't be the worst defensive team. Like the absolute worst and expect to win.


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[Assistant] But you don't have to be great defensively in the NBA. You can be mediocre to even bad, but if you have elite shooting, it's going to cover it. In today's NBA, you know, we used to say all the time, defense beats offense. You know, you can't say that anymore, especially in the NBA. If you have great shooting and bad defense, you can win.


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[Assistant] If you have elite defense and bad shooting, you're not going to win. Same thing with football. Same thing with football.


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[Assistant] See, here's the thing with their, with their starting four, like core four, whatever you want to call them. Like, when Miami first assembled a big three,


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[Assistant] When LeBron went there and they were the first one to really assemble this super team of three max contracts and then a bunch of scrubs. Well those three max contracts were hall of famers. All three of them. Yeah. Hall of Famers. That's a little bit different. You can carry a little bit different of a weaker bottom half of the roster when you have three hall of famers. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Darius Garland may one day be in the Hall of Fame, I'm not ready to declare my Hall of Fame, or Evan Mobley may one day live up to the potential, but I'm not ready to declare that. Donovan Mitchell, same thing. So therefore,


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[Assistant] Is not good enough to carry five through nine. Because they're not, they're not the big three hall of fame style that we've seen work in the big three era. They are three monster superstars. Cavs aren't there yet.


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[Assistant] About playing two non-shooting bigs together. I should have seen that coming.


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[Assistant] And I, and I just missed it. I just missed how that would play in the playoffs. Because to your point, G, in 2016, like, I don't think Mike Budenholz was a very good coach, and he's proven that again.


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[Assistant] Coming downhill, driving to the bucket, and you got Channing Fry over here, J.R. Smith over there, and Kevin Love back there. How are you supposed to stop that? You can't stop that. Right. And that's the way to win, and today, when you have two ball dominant


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[Assistant] Playmakers, like they did then, and like they do now, that's how you win, is you put three shooters on the floor with them, and that's the part that I missed and I should have known that.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, I'm gonna take the easy way out. And I'm gonna blame, I'm gonna blame Kevin.


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[Assistant] And JB and Kobe. I'm gonna blame them all. Okay. Because...


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[Assistant] Kevin, I understand, listen, it was a mistake. Like, we can say it, we can definitively say it with our chest. They made a mistake.


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[Assistant] And I think he had 15 points and 7 rebounds last night. What do the Cavs need most right now? 3 point shooting and rebounding. That's what he gave Miami. He's a key rotational piece for them and they got him for nothing. Yes.


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[Assistant] I agree. I think Eric Spolster is the best coach in the NBA. I think Pat Riley is still a master at what he does. The way that they find talent and mind talent and develop it, they are the elite of the elite in the league.


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[Assistant] But from the Cavs perspective, they were concerned, like,


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[Assistant] Kevin was moody this year. We've seen Kevin be moody in the past. We've seen, even when he was playing, we've seen the outbursts and they were concerned.


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[Assistant] With Kevin not playing and at the moment he was unplayable.


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[Assistant] What's it going to be like in the locker room? Is he going to be a problem? Here's the thing.


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[Assistant] Good, good, solid sound leadership can fix this stuff.


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[Assistant] And that's what they didn't do. And they chose to just move on from him. And they wanted to do right by him. I do believe that. He's meant so much to the organization. He wanted a chance to play. I've said it a million times. He wanted another contract. He thinks he can still play in the league. He needed a chance to play. He wasn't getting that chance here.


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[Assistant] With Kyrie. Bring it in and fix it. He says he wants out, he says, I will never play another minute with LeBron. Bring it in and fix it.


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[Assistant] And they didn't do that. And that's where I think if you have a Pat Reilly type of figure in the organization, if you have someone who can lead, who can bring this in, have a conversation, try and patch this up. Kobe said, I will never play another minute with Shaq. Like he went on Stephen A. Smith and said, I will never play for the Lakers again.


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[Assistant] And what happened? They kept him. And I just think that there's ways to try and mend the fences. But Kevin made it clear that he was done with the coaching staff. He wanted out and they granted his wish. And now you see what happens. Now when they need him the most, he's delivering for Miami.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, Kevin Porter Jr. sent away, JR Smith sent away, Andre Drummond sent away, Kevin Love sent away, Kyrie Irving sent away.


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[Assistant] And, and I understand the philosophy of we don't, we want, if you don't want to be here, we don't want you here. We only want guys who want to be here. Well, this is Cleveland in the winter time. It's hard to find guys, it's hard to find guys who really want to be here. And I just think in some of those, I get why the guys were sent away. And in some of those, I think that there's paths to mend the relationship that weren't accepted. They haven't done a good job thinking about when they can do that.


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[Assistant] His next start is going to be in New York. So hold on to your butts. Throw him in the fire. I agree. I agree. I agree. Like start him out against a triple A team in the Rockies. Let him get some confidence. Let him go get his nipples ripped off against the Yankees.


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[Assistant] And then see how he handles a little adversity, right? Uh, but no, I've been, I've been really high on Bybee. Yeah. We've been, we've been monitoring every start he's made. I mentioned the bowl.


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[Assistant] Like he's, he's a four pitch pitcher. He can get guys out with all four pitches.


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[Assistant] His, his delivery is a little bit violent. And when the ball came out, I was like, that was 106 miles an hour. And we looked up the scoreboard was 94. I'm like, how is that possible? It looks so much harder than when, than what the gun registered, but he got it up to 97, 98.


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[Assistant] They're gonna have to make some moves at the deadline. They have everything they need to go get whatever it is they want. And also they need to see are these guys ready or not. By bringing them up now.


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[Assistant] You know, by July 31st, who do we need to get? Do we need to go get a starter? Right.


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[Assistant] Is Gavin Williams and Tanner Bybee, are they ready to hold spots in postseason rotations? That's a lot to ask your rookies. That's right. But now you're going to get enough of a track record now to see what you need in July. Do we need a bat? Do we need an arm? Do we need both?


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[Assistant] Do we need a front of rotation guy? Do we need a right fielder? What do we need to get? What do we need to focus our, allocate our assets to? If you wait till middle of June, end of June to bring these guys up, you may not have those answers.


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[Assistant] So, for now, like, again, this is the problem with Beaver Throw in 92. The margin for error for him is so thin. He's getting hit around right now. Whatever. He's still your lead pitcher for now. You have him, Quantrill.


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[Assistant] Uh, I know. And Tito said, like, they know he's awful early and he sorta straightens himself out. Savalli, when he's healthy, say what you want about him.


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[Assistant] So, I don't know how you fit seven into five, and Gavin's not here yet, so let's remove him to sixth.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know how they're gonna, how they're gonna, uh, juggle this, but just something to keep an eye on. And, you know, I was talking to Zach yesterday. I just wonder how guys like,


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[Assistant] I think there's always going to be injuries, there's always going to be guys that don't meet expectations, there's always going to be, just when you think all the holes are plugged, another one springs, another one springs. That's true. Somebody plays terrible.


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[Assistant] You think you're good and then suddenly you're not good. Right. My interest level on the NFL draft tonight is probably one and three quarters. Like I'll have it on. I have two TVs in the office. I'll have one of them on the draft.


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[Assistant] But I'll have the other one on. I mean, the Guardians are off tonight. There's no, the Celtics Hawks doesn't do a lot for me. I'm not really interested in that series, but I'll probably have that on. But the fact that there's no other compelling TV on is the only reason I watch the drafts. I truly, I don't really care.


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[Assistant] Next one. Especially when you think how many quarterbacks are going to go.


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[Assistant] After. I think he's a late first rounder. I think he's a first rounder, but I think he's mid to late. 19 to 23 reins.


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[Assistant] That's your Tillman. I thought Cedric Tillman played for the Grizzlies. I thought I saw him grabbing a rebound the other night.


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[Assistant] So me and Ken tomorrow morning. Lima's still, uh, in the building? He's in New York. He's going to New York with, uh, with the wife to celebrate the honeymoon. First year. Is it first year? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Zach Jackson noticed that they, eh, I think they've moved around in the fourth round every year. Yeah. That Barry's been here. So I do think that they're gonna move around the board. They could go up. They could move a pick for next year. They could trade one of these picks for an extra three or four next year. Yeah. But I do think they'll be active. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Terrell, do you follow the Cavs closely? And I guess you played for a couple teams, Minnesota, right? Cleveland. Who do you most identify with in your playing time?


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[Assistant] What's that like as a player though? Like, you're driving your car, it's a regular day, and then your entire life gets turned upside down in one phone call.


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[Assistant] Go ahead. I'm just curious what you think in today's game and the way it's such a different game than when you played. I looked real quick. You were about a 35, 36% three point shooter in your career. How would you have fared in today's game?


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[Assistant] Was it ever considered a bad shot? I'm just curious, like,


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[Assistant] Did you ever get yelled at for taking threes? Did coaches ever view that as a bad shot?


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[Assistant] Yeah, just during your playing days, did coaches of that era, because now it's all layups and threes, but did back then, I'm just wondering if coaches, cause I really don't know the answer. Did coaches view the three point shot as a bad shot?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Anthony Mason's elevator is out of order. Yeaah, he was, but he was...


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[Assistant] You played for Brooklyn! You played in the playoffs in New York!


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[Assistant] Good. I like that. Own it. That's good. For better or worse, he was brutally honest. Yeah, that's great. That's great. The first one infuriates me. That one I like. And we have two from


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[Assistant] Boston is just as hostile as New York. Toronto can be hostile.


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[Assistant] Golden State used to be, I don't know anymore. Yeaah. With that new arena. Like, yeaah. I mean, New York is different. It is. But there's a lot of hostile. Filly? Filly's not hostile? I've never seen it in a playoff series. Filly's hostile. I've never seen it in a playoff series.


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[Assistant] Oh, absolutely. Wow. So like, why don't we go in like in a breakfast meal and


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[Assistant] It's an honor to be, uh, pop that cherry for y'all.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of spicy ones. So the premise of Secret Sundays, people submit their secret to me, and then I share secret anonymously, but with my reaction. Some of them I filter out, but the thing is, they trust me because I see their username. Only I see it. I'm the middleman.


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[Assistant] All odds were against me. And so I was taking the test and I had to, I had to, you know, I had to pee.


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[Assistant] And then it was like, I still had about an hour left, and so I was like, hey, can I go? She's like, nah.


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[Assistant] So I waited and I held it and by that point I really had to go. So I had to go in my pocket and physically hold it. Nooo. Because that was the only way I had to, I had to, that was the only way.


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[Assistant] But that's the one thing I am telling myself. I think the thing that people forget is the journey. It's really...


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[Assistant] But hopefully soon, like this thing is like the thing that I've been pretty much working towards my whole life. This was like kind of my M&M moment.


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[Assistant] It starts at the point where they encountered him. I would have to read the report to see exactly how that unfolded, but I understand that by perception,


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[Assistant] By perception only, that would look like it was a bad start. By perception.


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[Assistant] I understand what you're saying, but see, this is where we differ. See, my, my thing is, uhm, and again, if I get stopped by the police,


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[Assistant] Put my hand if I'm in the car up on the, uh, on the roof. I take all the precautions too. But in that situation there, or any situation, I think I would have complied.


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[Assistant] And what w-what needs to be is that you need to feel like you're safe and that you can explain and then the situation's over. It's not that way right now.


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[Assistant] I'll admit there's time when I have fear. I think fear is probably one of your best friends. And there are times when you hear gunshots.


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[Assistant] We have to run to those shots. Most people can't equate or understand what that's about.


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[Assistant] Your heart rate when it starts to increase and you're, you know, you're running. And then you're gonna encounter someone and you may ultimately have to wrestle with that person. You got some bad people out there that have no problem going to the match.


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[Assistant] What a police officer and trying to take their gun and maybe even using it against them. So I don't think anybody could ever understand the stress of this situation.


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[Assistant] Like, even when Brown was here, we lost several game ones, and we were all like, Cleveland, relax, right, right.


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[Assistant] Ah. Ah.


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[Assistant] Throughout the cabin there are clearly marked emergency exits. Near the centre of the plane are two delightful overwing exits. Have a look at those. They're full of fuel. And when can you have too much fuel? When you have a fire.


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