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[Assistant] Even though we haven't had a chance to experience that parody, the league is set up to about every five to seven years, the talent cycle completely washes through. The league is set up for you to be good?


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[Assistant] As long as you have the haves and the have-nots, and there are clear delineations between the haves and the have-nots, you're gonna get trash. So if you're the owner of the Guardians, you can't compete spending-wise with the Dodgers. So what you do is you have to pick your spots. When in the 10-year cycle can I go for it? And we've seen them go for it. You know, with different free agent signings that were


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[Assistant] Helpful and needed. Last year, because of the success they had in 22.


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[Assistant] Which was early. It was ahead of schedule. The owner went out and he signed Zanino and Bell.


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[Assistant] So those were moves that he thought could get this team over the top. Both of them fell flat on their face.


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[Assistant] Zanino I think is out of baseball. Bell was traded to the Marlins and suddenly became Bell again.


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[Assistant] So the two moves last year were awful. So now the owner's like, I went for it last year and it didn't work. I've got to sit back and see what I have before I decide whether or not I'm going to go all in on spending. I get it, but I hate it.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the problem with that premise. Uhm, there were a number of years where the Indians at the time were very, very good in the standings and were near the bottom in attendance.


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[Assistant] That stings being from the Cleveland area and being a baseball fan. This once upon a time was, I'm not going to call it a baseball town like St. Louis, but in the mid 90s,


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[Assistant] Guys, think about that. And when they were selling it out at that size, it was, it was full size. It wasn't the downgraded smaller stadium that it's become. It was 41,000 fans for 455 straight games. Guys, 81 home games a year. That's six straight.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, that's fair, and I have, unfortunately, I have heard...


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[Assistant] The fan base is more in line with that this year than any time that I've heard them before, and here's why.


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[Assistant] They said when they made some moves a couple of years ago, when Frankie was gone, well we're gonna reinvest in this team, we're gonna take that money, we're gonna, they haven't.


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[Assistant] Works continually at the bottom of the payroll.


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[Assistant] In the last tier, and in tiers, there's six tiers. There's the top five, then there's number six through ten. We're always in the last tier.


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[Assistant] You're telling the fans not to care and the fans are starting to listen. And that breaks my heart because I'm a baseball guy. I want to see baseball succeed in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] I know it can because I watched it in the mid to late 80s when we sold out 455 straight games. You don't do that on accident.


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[Assistant] Now, because they had some years in 16 when they almost won the World Series, we were bottom half of the league in attendance.


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[Assistant] So what that told the owner is, what are you talking about? You told me if I spend, you will come. You didn't.


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[Assistant] And they, you told me if we won, you would show up. And you didn't. So I don't know if it was, it's, I call it winner's fatigue. The Atlanta Braves went through this in the 80s and the 90s. When they were every single year, they were winning their division.


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[Assistant] And then they've got one World Series out of all of those great teams and that World Series happened to come at our expense. They beat us. But I was covering Braves playoff games against the Indians in the World Series that were not sellouts.


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[Assistant] I don't, and the fans there got fatigued. Oh, you guys keep winning and teasing us but you never gave us the chip.


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[Assistant] It's a good and fair question. I'll use your line that you use all the time. There's levels to this, okay? I believe, and this is just as an observer, I don't have any inside information to his finances. I can only make assessments based on his actions.


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[Assistant] Elon Musk is rich. These are dudes that have endless zeros behind their bank account.


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[Assistant] If they want to buy a team and make it a winner, they can do it. They'll just buy their way to the top. Then there's mid-level rich. And that's guys like Dolan that own the Guardians.


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[Assistant] He has an asset that's worth a ton of money.


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[Assistant] Here's the problem. It's tied up in the team. It's not solved.


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[Assistant] He is not solvently rich. I mean, by our standards he is.


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[Assistant] He's not run a major league baseball team, Rich.


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[Assistant] He's deciding how much money he's gonna spend and when he's gonna spend it because he's probably gonna have to dig into his own pocket.


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[Assistant] Because the $55 million he gets is trying to compete with the $240 million that the Dodgers' local contract is. So people might look at his net worth. Let me Google his net worth. Well his net worth is whatever the Guardians are worth. That's not liquid. And I believe that with COVID, he ran into a situation where


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[Assistant] He perhaps was making payroll out of his wealth.


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[Assistant] And I think that that's in the works. I think with the Blitzer Group and their buy-in two years ago.


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[Assistant] There is, there are clauses and escalators that gives the Blitzer Group an opportunity. I don't think the Blitzer Group wanted to be a minority owner. That's not his M.O.


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[Assistant] His MO is to own teams. He owns, fully owns other teams. He doesn't want to be, when you're a minority owner, you know what that means? You spend a lot of money, but you have no say.


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[Assistant] Dolan has 51%, he might as well have 100% and at some point it becomes welfare. So Blitzer smartly wrote into the deal that he can buy more of the club until he gets to the point where he is the majority owner. I wish we would just cut to the chase and do it now for the, for the sake of the fans.


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[Assistant] Dolan, I don't know, I don't know what motivated him to buy the team. In my conversation with him in the past, he was a small guy that played shortstop and had dreams of making the big leagues and didn't, and then, you know, through hard work and being a lawyer, his father,


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[Assistant] Uncle or cousins or whatever it is, they had money, now he owns the team. Okay.


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[Assistant] If you can't do right by your fan base and give them a product that has a legitimate chance to win,


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[Assistant] And you have to tell us, this year's gonna be a wash. You're saying the loud part out loud. When you say we're gonna s- or the quiet part. When you're saying, I'm gonna see what the kids can do before we bring in guys that can stifle their growth. What you're saying out loud to the fan base is, check us out in 25. I don't, I don't, you know,


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[Assistant] Oh, that's so far away from me, I can't even. Who is that?


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[Assistant] Is that the guy they got from Tampa? In the trade for, uh, I think that could be.


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[Assistant] You should know these guys. Well I think though, in defense of them here, this is, the whole idea of this exercise is, you don't know these guys yet, but you will. Introduce them. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but that's the exercise of it. What they're doing is they're showing us guys, like if they put Jose Ramirez on there, we all know who Jose Ramirez is. The idea is, you know, we've got guys that we think are going to be exciting and we're going to find out. It's all part of the corporate vision.


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[Assistant] And look, that's fine. I get it. Teams have prospects. You could do that with all 30 teams. You could bring up, you could show their three hottest prospects in the minor leagues and their fan bases would be like, who the hell is this guy? I don't know this guy. We don't watch minor league games. We don't know what their faces, but we know the names.


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[Assistant] Harry's hardware isn't going to be able to go into his pocket and pay his entire payroll for six months. It's going to put him under.


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[Assistant] So, what I say is, Cleveland deserves an owner that is flush with cash.


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[Assistant] Who can pay what Cincinnati is paying, what Detroit is paying. We're not asking for Dodgers and Yankees. We're asking for other cities like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Detroit, Kansas City. Let's come up to that level. And instead,


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[Assistant] We're not getting that. I believe when the blitzer group takes over full time, I believe that you'll see this team operate like a real major league franchise.


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[Assistant] Here's the problem, no you can't, but you can't also have a 4A organization.


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[Assistant] And that's not good for the fan base. Yea, I wanna see what the young kids can do. But every other franchise has young kids too. They see what they do in the minors, when they're ready, done cooking, they bring them up.


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[Assistant] I think Imani's problem is he's just with the wrong team. Uhm, when I saw this question from you Mike originally, I asked this, I said, what does he offer that no one else can bring? And that's where I had a problem with finding sizable minutes for Imani. Uhm, he is,


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[Assistant] Mike, please help me if I'm out of bounds on this. He's a shooter.


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[Assistant] He's a guy that can score, but there are so many other boxes that he currently doesn't check. And if you're gonna, and that makes him a niche player.


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[Assistant] Now, he's gotta get bigger. I worry for his bones. He's so damn slight.


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[Assistant] I mean, this is a grown man's league. We said that about Evan Mobley, and Evan Mobley has put some weight on him. A little bit. I still want him to get bigger, but I think that he's a nice project. I love the fact that the organization has been very clear with him. You need to play defense. You need to go down to the G League, and you need to learn how to play defense.


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[Assistant] And if he can come back and have some semblance of a defensive game, because I haven't seen it yet.


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[Assistant] If he can develop that, now you can say, okay, this is a guy that can deserve some rotational minutes and let's see what happens. But I think, I think his growth is probably being stunted by the fact that, and you said this Earl, there are a lot of guys in this, on this team that deserve minutes, probably more than he does.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Ultimate 216 tomorrow, uh, it'll be a pre-recorded episode. Me and my homeboy, Cleveland native, former NFL wide receiver Cecil shorts are going to have an in-depth conversation about mental health.


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[Assistant] We also both seen a very cool photo of Jerry Judy today.


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[Assistant] And we're going to talk about how people should remember that photo of him and others like it before they start ripping an athlete publicly.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's, that's something for something else. People don't want to hear that. So actually somebody was in the chat was saying that the small segment on mental health last week really helped them and that's what I'm going to stick with this one.


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[Assistant] So it's, so it's your sister, so what goes with McNuggets fries?


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[Assistant] Hopefully our viewers will fan duel it too. How come they don't have no dark Gatorade colors?


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[Assistant] Because it's, it's, it's night and day between how difficult it is by O-line into versus D-line.


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[Assistant] Old linemen have to be more cerebral. Old linemen are smarter. Old linemen, uhm, have more synergy. Uhm, old linemen have to have gel and they have to like each other and know what each other is doing. Plus, being an office of linemen is like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, trying to disarm somebody with a weapon and you don't have nothing but your skill set, your hands.


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[Assistant] So, you know, that's the way office alignment are. So a lot of what they're doing is technique, is hand placement, is pad level, is your kick slide off two centimeters here. Why did you get beat? Cause your shoulders would turn this way. You let the inside move come. So it's all about dancing and technique.


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[Assistant] Plus you have to also be able to be powerful and have leverage and know where the blitz is coming from and know how to pick blitzes up and do film work that says, okay, they're going to do this, that, and the third. So it's much more difficult to be in offense alignment at the highest level to the defense alignment.


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[Assistant] Defense alignment is all about three things. It's about the get off. It's about your, uh, your, your, your get off, your, your pad level and your, your, your relentlessness running to the football.


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[Assistant] You could teach somebody to stay low, right?


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[Assistant] You can draft somebody and they can have great get off and they can be a good athlete. They don't have to understand anything. All you do is get off the ball one on one. Can you beat them around the hoops? Do you have a counter move or something like that? It's just different levels of it. If you have a defense alignment and you watch a film, the first thing they're going to say is,


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[Assistant] Ari, how, what are you doing at the line of scrimmage and are you, are you, do you have the first meaningful contact in this play?


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[Assistant] Other than that, it's just weird as what it is. You don't gotta tell Miles Garry nothing.


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[Assistant] Just, alright, Michael Parsons, you don't gotta tell him nothing. He don't, he's mastered that. But when you get a right tackle. Did Joe Thomas need to?


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[Assistant] When you talk about DBs, what's the difference between a DB and a receiver? She's got better hands. There it is. Now you're a DB then.


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[Assistant] Well here's the thing, one thing why it hurts is, the old infomercial, I forget what the infomercial was about, but the slogan was, set it and forget it.


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[Assistant] You just set the timer and you come back and the meal's done. When you Kevin Stefanski...


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[Assistant] Say for instance you use, you lose your senior marketing manager.


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[Assistant] He had a bunch of, he had a bunch of connections in the industry. New people could, could, uh, uninformally just walk in places, check the temperature of some things. Maybe they owed him some favors. The guy was really plugged in to, to a lot of, you know, things in the, in the industry. If you lose that guy...


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[Assistant] You have more room for error. I can draft a guy and say, I think he's a C guy.


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[Assistant] But I believe that he can get to a B because I got a great guy coaching him. Now you have less room for error now because you can draft a guy and you say, well, I think that he's going to be a B guy. He can get to an A, but he never goes anywhere. He stays the same when he came in the organization. That's why training and development is a huge part of that.


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[Assistant] But, but if they were, if they didn't have good coaching, they would have never won 12 games.


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[Assistant] I'll just give you the insight of just being on the office a lot. When you walk up there.


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[Assistant] It's unwritten. If they run something, or they run a twist, or a text, one guy leaves, one guy drops back, one guy come...


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[Assistant] Every single person on the Alpha's line has to see and diagnose the same thing.


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[Assistant] Do you know how rare it is? Hold on. Do you know how rare it is for five people to see one thing?


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[Assistant] When he came back in 2016 or 2014, it just felt like some sort of fairy tale thing. Uhm, is he thinking more business now?


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[Assistant] That's a call you take. That's a call you take. One last question, if he came home to make things right the first time, what would his motivation for coming back here a second time, even though his wife loves it in L.A., what would be the reason?


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[Assistant] And I've watched it on online. I've, you know, take the pulse of it or everything. And I think it even gets to a point. I know if it annoys me, I think it annoys him.


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[Assistant] He has statistically every record that counts. He is probably like,


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[Assistant] At this point, it should even be a close argument between who's the best.


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[Assistant] But that's here's the thing. And so the title thing gets them and they give the Jordans six for six.


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[Assistant] No, no, I mean, you can make an argument, but to be truthful, I don't think you could be a true basketball fan and you'd be realistic with yourself and say that Michael Jordan has had a better career than LeBron James. And they always talk about, oh, it's just the fact that he plays forever. That counts.


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[Assistant] Isaiah Thomas said this the best. He said Michael Jordan played, when did he come into the league?


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[Assistant] He never beat Prime Celtics. Never beat Prime Lakers. Never beat Prime Pistons. Michael Jordan started winning when Isaiah Thomas was out of here, Magic Johnson got to slow jam, and Larry Bird's back was falling off. Who did he beat in their Primes? And he's right. And he really wasn't even beating the 76ers. First of all,


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[Assistant] Only way to get it done, Lebron, come back with a championship. You move the needle 41%.


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[Assistant] Cause you can send him right over to the shot scene, to the Wolfstein Center and get him with Imani Bates if he wants to still play around. We got spots.


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[Assistant] Is, is, uh, what's his name? Bryce? Is, is Bryce better than Brawny? Like, does Bryce have the most?


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[Assistant] He's got the size. He's got the size. He just said he's not even ranked. He's not ranked. He has an offer from Duquesne. He has an offer from Ohio State.


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[Assistant] And a semi-offer from USC. Those are the only three offers he has.


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[Assistant] I'm not giving him no benefit of the doubt. He needs to be held accountable and he needs to get it done this year. Let's not act like he wasn't the same dude that said he didn't want no defensive tackles a couple years, got his defensive coordinator fired. You had no- But then he did it! But here's the thing, you punted on that season, then you went and got him.


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[Assistant] I don't need you to have consequences to show initiative. You shouldn't have negative consequences before you are


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[Assistant] Proactively doing what you needed to do. So yeaah, clap it up.


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[Assistant] I told you the Fire Joe was the last year and you didn't have D tackles or linebackers. Guess what they did? You know what? Maybe defensive tackles are good. You end up with one of the top three defenses. You go get Jim Schwartz. Now it's time to get these receivers. You've been saying the same thing for weeks and weeks and weeks. We like our receiver room. We like our, you know what?


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[Assistant] It don't matter what you like. But what's he gonna say in the middle of the season? At the end of the day, it's not a smokescreen. Why do people think that other teams don't scout you? Like other teams don't know your receivers are garbage.


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[Assistant] To me, this is the most, this is the most important offseason in Brown's history. I know we say that a lot.


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[Assistant] I, I mean, but you, but you gotta understand, like, where the water, like, we're, the, the levees are getting close with Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] The crescendos, the naysayers, the words, it's getting more strong and strong, strong, palatable, more and more as each year goes by. Walls are closing in. Walls is closing in. This, this laissez faire, we'll figure it out stuff ain't gonna work, bro, because guess what? Yeah, you got to the playoffs. It's gonna be a completely different team.


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[Assistant] Or you just didn't get it done. At the end of the day, like, when you draft David Bell, and he's not elite at anything, how do you think that's plugging a hole? Who's scouting him? Who said David Bell was elite?


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[Assistant] Yes you did. Yeah. That's crazy. Hey look man, I'm just gonna say it man, listen, if we wanna, everybody should be on this party train. If you keep telling me 230 and the worth of Deshaun Watson and the worth, you should be all on board with saying you better go get


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[Assistant] I'm starting, I'm starting to think about stripping some of the Bill Belichick's medals. I'm going to have to marry them Jones. And, um, this, uh, this might've been all Brady, like all, all of them, like no name gangsters, uh, on defense. And I don't believe, I don't believe, I,


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[Assistant] I think the game, I think the game in terms of talent evaluation has passed him by. Like the days where you could just get guys and scare them to death and tell them to work hard for minimal money don't work no more.


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[Assistant] You don't think they're going to? I'd stay with him. I'm not gonna lie. Wow, the way the winds are blowing, it's 50-50 right now.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I don't know. I would, I would tell you this. I watched their backup quarterback replace him. I would, I would, I would stockpile that thing up. I will go get Marvin here. I do right with Bullseye. I go get Harrison. I go get the top available lineman if I can get him or pass rush or edge rush.


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[Assistant] That dude is not a buzz. He's going to be a star. And if you say, all right, if Jared Goff is not a top 10 quarterback and they could have fully went to the Super Bowl, can you win, can you get to the Super Bowl with a 12 quarterback?


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[Assistant] They better get used to it. Good.


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[Assistant] If you want to see a civilian fail, uh, just, I would love to see people put regular people in outfield. I'm going to give you three chances to catch this or hit them ground balls at shortstop.


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[Assistant] Recognition of yourself, you're like, this is what I look like?


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[Assistant] I said on Monday, if you go into it expecting a basketball game, you'll always be disappointed. If you go into it wanting to see Jokic and Luka mess around and literally


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[Assistant] Take your game on seriously and see Dame shoot half court shots and Steph do crazy things. You're gonna be entertained. Because it's simply...


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[Assistant] So to give a little, let me give a little context because Bo wasn't here the last two days.


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[Assistant] Moving the Sticks podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.


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[Assistant] We did it position group by position group because we wanted to split it offense defense.


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[Assistant] And we'll compare our answers in a sec, but before we compare our answers,


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[Assistant] To what Move the Stakes podcast did, I want to see if you agree with what the panel's consensus on Monday and Tuesday was. So the four categories in case anyone missed it and if you watch every day we apologize for the third day in a row explaining this part.


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[Assistant] Blue is for a blue chipper. Right. Top of the line.


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[Assistant] Some sort of concern. Pink was young and unproven.


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[Assistant] Any players who just sucked when they did it. They did usually the 12 best players. And that's why we went with categories, position groups instead.


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[Assistant] For the UCSS panel, on Monday it was JG, Earl, Tuesday it was me.


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[Assistant] Now there's no in between, which is the issue because we knew a Mario Cooper was not a pink, the rest we put in the pink and we thought the rest outweighed a Mario


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[Assistant] I would agree with that. So I think you guys did a good job. On the defensive side of the ball. Major beefs on there. Defensive side of the ball. We went blue for defensive ends. Not tackles, this is just defensive ends.


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[Assistant] And is Alex Wright, Agbo, and Isaiah McGuire, how do they compare to the unknowns of Tillman, David Bell, and Elijah Moore?


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[Assistant] Light blue, yeah. I'm so light blue. Which is not exactly the category. But alright, yeah, I agree with that. So the defensive tackle and linebacker room, we actually gave two grades, because this is technically...


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[Assistant] The assignment was guys on the roster right now. Right. The only defensive tackles on the roster right now are Dalvin Tomlinson and Siaki Ika.


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[Assistant] Right. Now we went into the assumption they'll resign a guy or two, and we went with a green for the defensive tackle room.


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[Assistant] With the caveat, the reality is today it's a pink because it's just Tomlinson and there's so much unknown.


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[Assistant] Are J.O.K., D'Abate, and Tony Fields. So we went with a pink.


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[Assistant] They went player by player. Right. We went group by group, but we'll still compare. But he only did like the top. Top 12 guys. Okay, 12.


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[Assistant] He combined some offensive linemen into one player, but, or let's go player by player. Yeah, that was weird. Why did he do that?


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[Assistant] But he was a definitive blue chip from Houston. I hope he gets back to that. I still think that's in him somewhere. It's just a matter of Ken the Brown, Ken Dorsey, Stefanski, this offensive staff get it out of him. But as of today, I don't think there's a case to make an argument. He's anything but a yellow in that sense.


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[Assistant] Next one, there was some dissension, and Earl, you're gonna have to chime in here because it's Nick Chubb. Now, we ended up as a unit.


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[Assistant] Putting the Browns running backs and mostly Nick Chubb in the yellow. Earl had him as still a blue chipper. And Earl, now you see how Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What did they put him at?


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[Assistant] When I was parsing it, for me to put anyone in a blue chip category had to be someone I had no questions about. That's why I put Chubb in the yellow, because I do think there are question marks, it doesn't mean Chubb can't get back to being a blue chip form, but right now, I put him in yellow for that exact reason.


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[Assistant] We put as a group the receiver category in pink because the rest of the guys were unknown. We put Njoku in the blue, so we were differentiating as a group. We didn't do individual players. Uh, G Bull, what do you think about, we'll start with Cooper.


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[Assistant] Yes, and I think in Joku's closer to that, so you said Tenji, I think if you're going blue chip, I think that's like the best of the best. I think blue chip is.


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[Assistant] But I think he's, but I think he's closer to whatever that tier is, whether it's top 5, 6. Yea, I don't agree. I think he'd joke who's closer to tier 1.


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[Assistant] Why can't I hear Earl? What the hell is going on? He said send to the basketball league.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. Hockinson fine, but Laporta as a rookie. And yes, I would, I would take him ahead. I'm not sad.


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[Assistant] That was a 10 minute discussion with Daniel Jeremiah. Uh, they had some offensive line combos here. So they had four offensive linemen in the yellow.


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[Assistant] Conklin, Batonio, Jed Wills, and DeJuan Jones, but they had Pochich and Teller in the green.


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[Assistant] Let me, let me ask you guys this, just, and we'll move through this quickly. Conklin, injury concerns for sure, right? He's a definitive yellow. Petonio, age, contract, injury, do you have questions about Petonio moving forward?


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[Assistant] But he's perfectly solid. If you have a Tonio, you're not worried about his cars. I could argue Will's is pink. Will's and Dewan, they're both in the yellow.


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[Assistant] So we're not disagreeing with that. Let's go to defense. We'll make this one super quick. Miles Garrett, blue chip, no disagreement. Ogbo a yellow. I had him as a green personally. Gee, I don't know where you fell yesterday. He's not a starter.


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[Assistant] Well it was, this was one of the ones where I wish there was more specification in the categories because I don't have a contract concern for him and I don't think he's necessarily a certified good player.


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[Assistant] Uh, we disagree with this next one. Denzel Ward. We had him in the blue chip category. Daniel Jeremiah had him in green. Who's right, who's wrong? Us or Daniel Jeremiah?


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[Assistant] We had a boot chip season, but I think green's the right spot. Last two, and this one I disagree with a lot. Delphi and Newsome, both in the pink. Which to their category, and this is a quote, unproven slash young.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure what is pink. And they're both pink. I'm not sure you could call any of them quote unquote young anymore.


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[Assistant] What I saw from Delpit in 2023 though, before the injury at the end, which was a freak injury by the way. And granted, not every injury is the same. I don't think you can tag everyone who gets hurt injury prone because there are different categories, different way you can get hurt.


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[Assistant] I thought he was playing really well for the most part last season, and I understand that's...


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[Assistant] Difficult way to build a team if you're counting three, four injuries on everybody. I know you would take that into account when you're putting a team together, but like,


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[Assistant] It actually cost, it cost the Browns more money to cut Jack Conklin than it is to keep him. And the thing with Nick Chubb, and I'm going to preface everything by saying this, I feel very confident the Browns will rework and restructure a deal with Nick Chubb and he will not be cut.


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[Assistant] But if they were to cut him, they save $12 million. It's only a $4 million dead cat pit. He's due to make about $16 million, so. Right. I was more than anything else.


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[Assistant] No doubt. I would say his popularity among Browns fans rivals almost any player's popularity among their own fan bases as well.


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[Assistant] And even with the chub situation, at Andrew Barry's end of the season media availability.


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[Assistant] He was asked about Nate Chubb and he said, we're gonna have to figure that situation out.


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[Assistant] The back end potential fallout of any long contract, not just Nick Chubb is, he goes off a cliff, he's not the same player, but it's incentive based and low guarantees, then you eat that money. You still have to address that position.


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[Assistant] But you eat that money for a guy like Nick Cho who you hope to get back and also bowl real quick. You know.


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[Assistant] What's the percentage chance, don't even say, don't even say that. But gee, what's the, what's the percentage chance? 90, 95, 80 something less that Nick Chubb finishes his career as a Brown. What would you put that at?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go 95. I'm gonna go 95. And that 5% is simply Nick Chubb says.


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[Assistant] I had never really thought of this before. I never thought NFL. Jersey retirements, I think.


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[Assistant] But to be in the class to have your jersey retired across the league, I think, and I want to phrase this correctly, I think you have to have a


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[Assistant] Pristine overall resume, and there can't be black marks of any kind.


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[Assistant] To have someone be like, that guy shouldn't be represented across the entire league. And when you look at Jim Brown's personal history, he has


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[Assistant] Quite a few run-ins with the law, and I know some of the charges were dropped, dismissed, but...


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[Assistant] He certainly has a checkered past. And at the end of the day, I was going through some of the charges that he was...


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[Assistant] Charged with not all convicted, but he was charged with murder at least once and maybe twice depending on how you...


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[Assistant] Did you say 1885? 1987, sorry. Or 1978, excuse me. I have all these written down. Yea, yea, yea. I just think with his checkered pass, I don't think he could be a guy the entire league honors to the same capacity. Bill Russell.


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[Assistant] Jackie Robinson and Wayne Gretzky are. It's not because of the player, it's because of his off the field runnings with Elijah. I just don't think you could have, I think it's right how the Browns have his drummer retire, but league wide, I just don't think you could be.


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[Assistant] Have that kind of past off the field and have it be something that the entire league honors. Yeah. Moving forward. Go ahead. Fair or not? I think.


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[Assistant] David A would like to avoid that. At the end of the day, real quick, I think Bold kind of set a bet. He, Jim Brown might be in all sports, not just football.


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[Assistant] Like the ultimate mixed bag of what you want to pick and choose to highlight because he has the highest of highs in the field.


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[Assistant] As a civil rights activist, the summit here in Cleveland, I mean the iconic picture with Jim Brown and Muhammad Ali like down the street, tremendous steps forward.


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[Assistant] And you could read, I was reading an article this morning when I was looking this up and for one to twelve different reasons, charges were dropped, juries acquitted him, he wasn't, like you said, ever convicted, but then you read some of the police reports and it's like,


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[Assistant] She finished tied with Dame Lillard and Kat with the second highest score in the entire contest.


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[Assistant] So I've heard from a couple people that LeBron was out no matter what after that season, which is why they traded Kyrie to try to get some assets back. So I'm not sure that necessarily plays and that's part of the reason why I didn't pick Kyrie. He was my second foot. Manny Ramirez was my first choice. He left after the 2000 season.


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[Assistant] And he was phenomenal in Cleveland, obviously. And then his next eight years in Boston were


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[Assistant] Essentially, copy and paste from his first eight years in Cleveland. Just as good. Well, no, he was like...


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[Assistant] He had reached that level in Cleveland and then to see him go on to another team and just stay at that level and when he left.


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[Assistant] They were, they were good the year after he left. They immediately, they still won the AL Central, lost in the ALDS. But then they catered. And they went three straight seasons, sub 500, as Manny Ramirez is hitting 140, knocking in 145 runs, betting 315 with 35 home runs. And the Guardians, since he's left, Indians, excuse me, Guardians Indians.


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[Assistant] Still haven't replaced his bat. Like, we're still, to this day, looking for the next Manny Ramirez in the outfield. And this is 24 years.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you a question, Bull. Of those late 90s, early 2000s Indians teams, at their peak,


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[Assistant] So not necessarily all when they were together in club, at their peak of their careers. Who was the best hitter out of that bunch?


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[Assistant] What do you think, real quick, and I know we gotta move on a sec. What do you think Kenny lost in 17 year career? How many home runs do you think he finished with?


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[Assistant] Three gold gloves, he finished second in rookie of the year voting. He was a top 15 MVP finisher three times and a one, two, three, four, five, six time All-Star.


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[Assistant] If he stayed healthy, is he in the conversation for greatest baseball players of all time? 100%.


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[Assistant] And Joe Thomas didn't leave, he retired, so he doesn't care. It has to be someone who decided to leave.


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[Assistant] Can you do what? The calves bio guys real real quick. Sure, go ahead. One point on this. Yea, go ahead. So, Chris Fido reported that the calves


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[Assistant] Well they didn't make it with a deadline, I was like, oh they're gonna sign someone in the buyout market, that makes sense. Galen Ari was the one guy I thought would have made sense because of his size, his shooting ability, his veteran presence, he's always hurt.


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[Assistant] But he's a guy at least a 6'8 shooter that you might feel comfortable playing in a postseason rotation. The other guy's out there.


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[Assistant] The two best options. He signed with Milwaukee. Oh, okay. It came down to Cleveland and Milwaukee. They had a bigger guaranteed role for him. Went to Milwaukee. They needed wing help. The two guys left are Joe Harris.


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[Assistant] If they're choosing between a guaranteed rotation spot on another team or a chance to compete for a rotation spot in the Cavs, I would assume they go elsewhere. Why not sign Seth Curry?


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[Assistant] I mean, I would take him, it can't hurt. I mean, but I just, I want to say I don't expect them to make any buyout moves, and I don't actually blame Kobe Altman, JB, or the catcher in office for not wanting them.


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[Assistant] But I still would take it because there's gonna be times where there's foul trouble.


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[Assistant] God forbid someone gets hurt, knock on wood. Or Seth Curry can handle the ball. He could be your de facto point guard for a few minutes. Joe Harris has been a competent three-point shooter, a really good, really good three-point shooter throughout his career. Has kind of fallen off the hill, but at the end of the day, the Cavs


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[Assistant] So I'm all for it. If they want to go and do it, like, I don't think there's any downside to it.


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[Assistant] I did really like Space Jam. I also love all three movies for the record. Like this is hard because I do think all three movies are phenomenal productions. Coach Carter.


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[Assistant] That was cut immediately for them. I loved Coach Carter. Coach Carter is awesome. That was an all-time classic. Freaking Samuel L. Jackson.


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[Assistant] Wait, what did Adam Earl say upstairs? That you guys would cut Coach Carter.


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[Assistant] Because everyone had hyped it up to levels that it would have been impossible to reach. I thought it was so cheesy.


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[Assistant] I didn't know until I watched it, cause I watched Friday Night Lights.


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[Assistant] I read the book, by the way. But I didn't know Michael B. Jordan. That was like his first big break. I had no idea.


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[Assistant] It's very relatable. It was all very, very relatable and it was, we was discussing top three worst feelings in the world and everybody would agree that this feeling is the worst. That's right.


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[Assistant] They just traded, they just traded for, uh, Buddy, right?


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[Assistant] I wish Jason Crawford was on the set cause I look him square in his eye and tell him, it's a big deal. What you mean? He's finally getting comfortable shooting threes. At first he wasn't comfortable with it. Now he's going a hundred percent. I think he's found his rhythm. And the most important part of it all is that he got the teammates trust him. And that's the biggest part.


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[Assistant] Like daylight, Evan open, get him the ball. And he's like, I know I can shoot it. I got the green light to shoot it. So I think him.


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[Assistant] It's success over these last couple of games shooting the three of us at a high clip. Well, not a high clip, two or two and three or three. That's a high clip. I guess that is a high clip. That's, that's big. And that's going to be something that they need to be successful if they want to make it deeper in the postseason. Him shooting.


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[Assistant] And as we discussed on Tuesday, Isaac Okoro shooting and both of those two can contribute from the three point line. That makes this team kind of unbeatable.


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[Assistant] So you saying that if the Browns do take the airport thing, the old stadium will get knocked down and rebuilt to 10,000?


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[Assistant] Right. You know who else is like that? Ohio Stadium.


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[Assistant] You won a good show. People come pay they money to come watch you have a great game. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I don't want to see you slipping and sliding all over the place. No, that's not the, so put the roof on it. It helps with TV sales. It helps with fans, older, younger fans, everybody that continue to come throughout the season because they know that they don't have to freeze. It works for everybody. And you could have, make sure you


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[Assistant] Sheee! How much is this stocking on with the bucks?


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[Assistant] In a perfect world, I'll rebuild the stadium downtown and put a dome on it.


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[Assistant] Those shoes would be the best ones too. That's the crazy part. They usually grow up to be great coaches. I like his hair. He's got good hair. I like that. When you look at his resume, I mean, you think about the Rams, obviously he worked with Sean McVay. What was he there, Mike? Like the assistant offensive?


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[Assistant] I mean, listen, he was under Sean McVay, who's a great offensive mind. He studied the game. He knows the run game. You need an offensive line, cause it's not like there's...


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[Assistant] Any offensive line coaches out there that's like, oh, we gotta have him. Right, right, right. He's a game changer. So, you know, when it comes to that, he got big shoes to field, it's gonna be tough to do, but I like the fact that he has...


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[Assistant] Uh, offense of mine, I t goes back to the kevin s Tommy Reese, you got Ken the fans can, you got th good offensive minds or a under a really good offe in Sean McVeigh. He could


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[Assistant] You know, Nick Chubb and the rest of that committee get back to where they supposed to be. So I think it's a respectable hire and I think it's the best she was going to be able to do in the, in this situation now that coaches been hired.


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[Assistant] So maybe that's, maybe that, if their, a lot of contracts was expiring this year, right?


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[Assistant] Well, the crazy part is, is that, uh, what's the DB's coach? Jackson is his name?


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[Assistant] Augustine. Well, they couldn't afford to lose the DB because I think he's doing a really good job.


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[Assistant] Bull, let's, let's call a spade a spade. We won't know Andy Dickerson until we see them play. If that offensive line gets completely destroyed, then we know he's not great and we'll criticize him. Like, it's like, this situation for him, for Andy Dickerson, it's kinda not fair. It's like, Jan Wills filling in for Joe Thomas. It's like, Bill Callahan was like here.


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[Assistant] And now you gotta try to replace him and we expect you to have them there and it's, I don't know if it's realistic to have those things.


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[Assistant] If that's the case, then they, if they cutting him next year, then that means that they paying Jed Wills? Yeah, I mean, I think they're gonna pay Jed Wills. To play left or right?


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[Assistant] Sa- from a size-wise. Oh, he's ideal. Exactly.


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[Assistant] That's what I was about to say. The thing about the one at Ohio State when I go back and talk to them is, it's never been on the field with him. He's great on the field. It's the off the field stuff with him and it's maturity and taking care of your body and stuff like that. He struggled with doing that.


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[Assistant] That's why I was like him coming here was great, being under Bill, cause Bill's gonna whip somebody in the shade. And now that he's gone, and you might put him back on the bench.


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[Assistant] You'll keep them healthy. Yeaah, more likely. They do.


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[Assistant] Which I did. It was something I'd never seen. I've been playing football since 9 years old. I've never seen you rotate and tackle.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's a rhythm thing, and you know, and it's chemistry thing. No, I get the chemistry part. That's really a big part of it. When you get that, you and that guard is on the same page.


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[Assistant] You see why when somebody go down, they struggle right off the bat. Like for example, when Jack Coughlin went down,


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[Assistant] Uh, Wyatt Teller's production went down because he had to spend a whole game trying to make sure Dewan was good. Yeah, I hear you. It's a chemistry thing and then a tackle. It's just a feel. It's the same reason why it's hard to go from right to left. Like you so used to that technique that you trying to switch it up and it's just not the same feeling. Take a while to get it.


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[Assistant] So the, so the Kelsey thing is interesting because Hufanga is out, done, all pro from last year.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, cause Sneed gonna be on him and he, he like. He won't be on Deebo? No, Deebo plays slides. Sneed is uh. That'll be McDuffie.


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[Assistant] Since we just can't put McCaffrey to guarantee, I will pick Kelsey.


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[Assistant] Oh, I told them Deebo under, but they, we, we all agreed to just go with, with Pacheco, which I, Pacheco's had, the worst he's had in a game in the playoffs is 68 yards.


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[Assistant] So, and I understand that everybody thinks San Francisco's running defense is good, but they have been vulnerable for some of my reasons to outside zone. I don't know what that's about.


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[Assistant] Mcnuggets, where is World Series Champion Austin Hiddins?


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[Assistant] Do you think, well since O'Shea and AVP are really close,


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[Assistant] That wouldn't shock me. Alright, so looking at the, the Browns team defensively, you know, everybody's talking about we need to get these wide receiver too, but I want to look on the defensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] Opposite of Miles, do you think they bring back Zedarius Smith or do you, how do you think they address that other defensive end spot?


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[Assistant] I don't know what they do. It is tricky. How much do you think, how much do you credit to Jed, Dewan or Bill Callahan? Cause you know, he's gone now. So do you think that production continues to go the same with Dickerson?


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[Assistant] With the second round pick, what do you think they'd do with it? What would you like them to do?


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[Assistant] With Dorsey coming here, does that make Davis more attractive?


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[Assistant] Blood getting paid? Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] But the question was, are they one of the best? We gotta sit here talking about ducking and dodging. How can we say that? You're fair. No, listen. That's why I said no. You're right. I should be saying we should all be saying no.


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[Assistant] See, I said for the exact opposite. I said he ain't gonna play a lot.


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[Assistant] I'm just trying to figure out who you putting in there outside of here.


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[Assistant] So realistically it's two maybe with a potential of third. The third potential is Evan Mobley.


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[Assistant] That's what I said, it's two that I know can do it and it's a third and a potential third.


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[Assistant] Evan scored that 28 and he looked really good. He could have kept going. Alright.


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[Assistant] Alright, without moving key pieces. We in a pinch. Cause you gotta give up something like that. Yeah. So what any other?


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[Assistant] Kirk has not addressed it publicly, but he's had other people try to address it for him.


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[Assistant] Man, in the words of future, three rings on my left like I'm King James.


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[Assistant] I mean, think about this though, Spax was the DC who put a stop to New England's, you know, almost perfect season. So this dude deserves a lot of credit because this is what I think is fourth Super Bowl as a coordinator. So it says a lot about him.


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[Assistant] There's some tension in the room though. Mike, we're not just coworkers, would you say we're brothers?


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[Assistant] Alright, so we brothers, right? And you got a bed in, you supposed to hit the chat.


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[Assistant] I mean, I knew the rules had changed, but I'm not gonna lie, I really didn't know the details or the overtime rules or how it would play out. But to me, there's no excuse.


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[Assistant] I read the article that was put out before we came on the show, uh, the chief safety just to read.


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[Assistant] Chris Jones said they've been playing for this since training camp. Chris Jones said they've been playing for this for the last two weeks. So if you are a player in an NFL and a rule change takes place, it's kind of like if you work a job, right? And the guidelines or the business manual and there's a change to it.


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[Assistant] As an employee, you have an obligation to read up on that because ignorance is not an excuse. You're right. Right. It can never be, it's on you. Yeah. And then if you don't know, then it's on your head coach to make sure that my team


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[Assistant] The good ones have contingency plans. The good ones over communicate. The good ones over inform.


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[Assistant] And this is why I always give Kevin Stefanski love. Because Jay, we've talked about it. G, we've talked about it.


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[Assistant] There are so many unwritten intangibles that goes into being a good head coach. Yeaah, you can be a mastermind of putting a scheme together, but you also gotta be a leader of men. You also gotta be able to be that dude that can keep everything composed, right? You know I'm a NASCAR guy.


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[Assistant] And to me, football is a lot like NASCAR.


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[Assistant] It's a marathon. It's not a sprint, right? You have to be able to adjust, overcome, take your time, and just make sure that you got the best car at the end of the race so that you could come away victorious. What I saw in that game, early on in that game, it was almost like Kyle Shanahan set his team up for like a short run.


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[Assistant] Kind of like they set up a car for a short run. Oh, they look great to start the game. They look great to start, but you know what happened when I peaked? That first drive, before Christian McCaffrey even fumbled. Trent Williams, all pro tackle, arguably the best in the game, right? You get 15 yards in penalty to put your team behind the chains. He ends up fumbling the football.


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[Assistant] To me, San Francisco messed around and they found out because you have more opportunities to kind of seal their fate.


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[Assistant] Put this game away, and you didn't capitalize on their mistakes, you made mistakes of your own, and you didn't capitalize on big moments.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, Andy Reid is setting his team up for the long run. This is a 400 mile race. All we gotta do is make sure that we got the best car in the last 10 laps and we gonna make sure we good. And sure enough, the cream rolls to the top when it matters the most. As it usually does. As it usually does.


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[Assistant] But see, Jay, Jay, this is my thinking, right? And Mike, correct me before I make this statement if I'm right or wrong on this. Those overtime rules that we saw in the Super Bowl is the same throughout the playoff, right?


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[Assistant] Yes. Okay, so if it's in the Super Bowl, I'm like, y'all, I'm taking the ball second, right? But you know what, JG, if this is the AFC Championship game and I'm playing the Chiefs, it don't matter. It don't, let me tell you why it don't matter, because I know that's Patrick Mahone. Sure. Kyle Shanahan's mindset should have been, I need to go score a touchdown regardless.


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[Assistant] Like, you, you gotta read the room. You gotta understand the situation. You gotta understand what's going on. Man, that's Pat Bahons. That's like Michael Jordan.


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[Assistant] I know, like, I joked with Jay when he walked in here. Jay walked in here 10-15 seconds before the show, right? Mike said, man, you got about 15 seconds. I said, Jay don't need 15 seconds. That's the mindset what I think when I think of Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes don't need 15 seconds to come beat you. One play and it's over with.


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[Assistant] Yo, you right, cause like, I don't give a damn how hard, uh, Pacheco run. Like, pat my homes with somebody that I'm afraid of, and it's so funny, J, cause I like what Mike said, but Caffrey was on the sideline, damn, they're about to cry.


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[Assistant] As soon as that field goal went in, I said, hey Siri, play NFL next legacy moment, cause we bout to witness it. Yeaah. We bout to witness it right here right now. That's very funny. Like, I think everybody in the building knew exactly what was about to go down, man.


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[Assistant] And the overtime. I gotta give it an A. And when I said that, I was making sure that I wasn't having like recency bias. Sure. But I legit believe this was the best Super Bowl that I've personally had ever seen. Oh wow, no kidding. I'm only 36 years old, so. Well you saw the other overtime Super Bowl. Yea I have, but I just thought this was better. I think every component to this was good.


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[Assistant] I do believe that the buff punt was sloppy, but the Christian McCaffrey turnover, that was the defense force in that turnover.


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[Assistant] Pacheco, that was the defense like forcing that turnover. The same thing with the Patrick Mahomes pick. That was a great defensive play. I think these are two teams that were premier teams in the league all season long. Two teams that have very good defenses. And you've seen defense take center stage.


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[Assistant] For the better part of the game. And then you seen a game that was close scoring, uh, close in score throughout the game. A game that went through overtime and had the league's best player deliver a legacy moment. And the game's biggest moment was like when you talk about clutch time performances.


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[Assistant] So to me, I just think every little like piece of this made this the best Super Bowl that I saw. Interesting. The Muff punt was definitely sloppy.


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[Assistant] But the Christian McCaffrey fumble, the defender forced that. Same thing for Pateko, the defender forced that.


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[Assistant] To me, we were able to see defenses really take center stage in a league where offense is premium. In a league where people just love to see a bunch of points scored. I love the like back and forth of


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[Assistant] Of the game kind of being like a heavyweight title bout, right? And then you get to the end of the fourth quarter and overtime where endurance is a big thing.


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[Assistant] And you could tell teams were tired, right? And it's just every aspect of it was like, man, this is a damn good football game with two damn good teams. And then you got the best player in the league come through with a major legacy.


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[Assistant] Christian McCaffrey is the 49ers' best weapon on offense, right? Clearly. And they clearly could have utilized him more than what they did. I don't give a damn about the 22 carries. I told Mike this this morning, after Pat Mahone threw the interception to open up the second half, they got the ball back. The first six plays of the game was straight pass plays.


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[Assistant] Yep. Stay pass players. You got the NFL's leading rusher, the offensive player of the year, a duel who can beat you in so many different ways. And I felt like that's, that's how you keep your foot on a net.


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[Assistant] This is how you keep the ball away from Pat Mahomes as much as possible. This is how you put more points on the board. Christian McCaffrey is a straight up dog, right? And that dude, that dude should have just been utilized better than what he was.


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[Assistant] I think it's a small gap, right? And I think that small gap is our quarterback, Deshaun Watson. My man G, he's on Operation Stockpile, right? Go get as much talent as you can, build this roster up as much as you can, like throw it out there and see what happens.


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[Assistant] I love you, I don't think that's gonna work. I'ma tell you why. Because of Pat Mahone.


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[Assistant] When they came down to it, right? Rockport Purdy is a pretty damn good quarterback. And it didn't matter because the opposing team, they had that dude.


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[Assistant] Jake, coming into this game, San Francisco was two and a half point favors, right? I told Mike, if Pat Mahomes was the starting quarterback for the 49ers, they would have been double-digit favors. If Brock Purdy was the starting quarterback for the Chiefs, they probably wouldn't have not even made the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Okay. So when you look at it like that, I know that the Browns already got a talented roster, right? You know what I'm saying? We got more depth across this roster than we had in years past. The difference, the small gap is Deshaun Watson because I remember a couple of years ago when the Texans played


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[Assistant] The, the Chiefs in the playoffs and the Texans was up like 24 points. And the commentators was talking about how...


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[Assistant] For the years going forward, we're about to experience Deshaun Watson versus Patrick Mahomes. This is going to be the matchup.


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[Assistant] So clearly before all the BS off the field happened, everybody thought Deshaun Watson was more than capable of being that dude.


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[Assistant] I personally still think he's more than capable of being that dude.


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[Assistant] So the small gap is Deshaun Watson, because if Deshaun Watson can be that dude, which I believe he can,


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[Assistant] Then we can talk, then we can make some noise. So you can stockpile all you want, you can build this fancy roster all you want, and you can have a quarterback that's near tier all you want. With this quality roster, it ain't gonna mean a damn thing if your quarterback is not him, because Kansas City, they got him at QB.


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[Assistant] But I'll put it, I'll put it like this, right? If you strip Deshaun Watson from the Cleveland Browns and Patrick Mahomes from the Kansas City Chiefs, the Browns still got a top five roster. The Chiefs roster is probably bottom towards like eight through ten, right?


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[Assistant] Because they got Chris Jones, but they got George Karloffis, I apologize if I'm saying his name wrong. You still got Nick Bolton, you got Tripp McDuffie, you got LaDarius Snead. So you still got some ballers, but when I look at the Cleveland Browns roster minus Deshaun Watson,


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[Assistant] It's still a top five roster. And so like when you talk operation stockpile, I'm not saying I totally disagree with you.


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[Assistant] The 49ers, talented roster. Browns, talented roster. Chargers, talented roster, right? All these teams got talented roster because ain't none of these teams got Pat Mahomes. And unless you got a quarterback that can bridge that gap between Pat Mahomes and anybody else, your roster could be talented all day long and it won't matter.


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[Assistant] I'm just, I'm just saying me, I don't give a damn about how much money Deshaun Watson made. The hell with the 230, I can care less about the contract at this point.


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[Assistant] Whatever, it is what it is. I know Deshaun Watson is fully capable of being an elite quarterback.


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[Assistant] Jay, this is my thing. I know it's been a while since we've seen Deshaun Watson as one of the top quarterbacks in the league. Maybe it's Cleveland Brown's bias. Maybe it's Deshaun's bias because I've been a fan since Clemson. I don't know if it's just me being biased.


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[Assistant] I believe in my heart the dudes still got what it takes to be one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And so like, like I said, like for me, I can care less about the contract.


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[Assistant] Last year he showed some moments. Was it the best? No. But I know he's fully capable of being better than what we saw last year, and I'm not even saying last year was bad. I'm just saying that's not what I expected from Deshaun Watson. So with that being said, right? So with that being said,


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[Assistant] I trust that he gonna hit the ground running and I trust that he's gonna do his part so that the last time we saw him, 14 for 14 against the Baltimore Ravens, I pray to God that's where he picks up from and he just keep this thing rolling.


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[Assistant] Then we right there. We got a chance. And that's why I think it's a small gap. I don't think it's a major gap. I think the talent is here. I trust Andrew Berry to continue to add talent to this team. I think the small gap is Deshaun Watson. And if Deshaun Watson improve his play, we right there with Kansas City.


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[Assistant] I'ma give you a definitive yes. Andrew Barry ain't, ain't shown me yet that he sees a hole or error or something that can prove on his team and he's failed to address it. Or at least attempt to address it. He has failed to address the wide receiver. He might've, I don't think he's failed to address it. He just didn't hit on it. Like, like he's tried. Failing to address it. That's, that's, that's.


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[Assistant] He just gotta get that position right. He definitely need to do better at getting that position right. I just, I just know that if he knows, because I think we all agree, we need another weapon at wide receiver. And I think, whether it be draft or free agency, I think he'll find a way to get another weapon in here.


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[Assistant] Real quick before we get to the cast, your last episode you was clean, you had the glasses on, like you looked like you was sitting there at the hip hop awards, you know what I'm saying, giving your acceptance speech.


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[Assistant] Nipsey Hussle, everybody knows Nipsey Hussle, right? Nipsey Hussle got a famous line that says, man, I don't even trip on the credit, I just keep paying the dues.


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[Assistant] Sometimes you won't get the credit for the work that you put in. Just keep paying the dues, right? The Cavs got big dreams, big goals. And, you know, get to the playoffs, win a playoff series.


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[Assistant] Possibly get to the Eastern Conference Championship and then see what happens from there.


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[Assistant] You know, locally or nationally, if people is not, are not giving you the quote unquote credit, so what, man? Just keep paying your dues. You know who you are. You know, you know what your goals are. You know what you're trying to accomplish the hell with the credit, man. Keep going out there every single night. Keep playing hard. Keep doing what you're doing.


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[Assistant] It's funny because I said this yesterday when me and Mike went live. I believe in like, humility before honor.


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[Assistant] And usually before you kind of reach the pinnacle, reach your goal, or become successful, you go through some hardships. You go through some growing pain. You go through some tough times. And people don't realize in those moments while you're going through it, how necessary those moments are.


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[Assistant] Everything that the Cavaliers went through last year, even though it pissed us off to see our team go through it and it frustrated us.


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[Assistant] It was necessary because you got to go through those growing pains in order for you to grow, become better, learn from your mistakes and then become ultimately who you believe that you can become.


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[Assistant] And I think last year was huge for the Cavaliers. We might not have realized it or understood it in a moment, but you see it now. I'm going to read this quote real quick. And Jared Allen said this to Cleveland.com three days ago. He said, we may not look like the toughest, but when you start messing with the dogs, you're going to get bit.


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[Assistant] We talk all the time about athletes hearing the noise and seeing everything, right? I talk to the point of, I don't think that's a problem. I think what you do with it is what matters.


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[Assistant] How unprepared they was, how the lights was too bright, how they got to their biggest moment and they failed. They seen all of that. And you see the results of that right now show up in their play, show up in their effort, show up in just the little things that they do. And I'm loving it. And I'm to your point, right? Like, we're local Cleveland media.


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[Assistant] We might not be covering the cast or giving them all the attention and they 17 and 1. Man, just keep doing what y'all doing. We see y'all. But we ain't, we ain't, we not ready to really just kinda, but just keep doing what you're doing and trust me when the time come, we gonna give y'all all y'all flowers that y'all earned.


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[Assistant] Let's give it more context to that because here's the funny part about it, right? I was on this set last Monday and I said, I felt like, you know, like possibly bringing Darius Garland off the bench. I got ripped to shreds for it, right?


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[Assistant] I don't know, right? Rip the shreds. I say the same thing Saturday and everybody is agreeing. All I was saying was that I thought the Cavaliers made the right move by not kind of making any moves at the trade deadline.


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[Assistant] I came around to the point that Jason has always made. All a calf needs is experience and time to grow.


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[Assistant] My point now is, if we're talking about what we seen last year in the playoffs, right, and we don't want to repeat performance, you have, because the Cavs are a lock to make the playoffs.


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[Assistant] You got the rest of the season to experiment, to tinker with different lineups, to see how many different lineup variations that you can exploit. At the same time, you're trying to get Darius Garland going.


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[Assistant] You know that you're gonna need Darius Garland come to playoffs, right? I think Darius Garland is a very talented basketball player for those who don't think I just don't like him. The dude is talented. If I'm JB Bickerstaff, you Darius Garland. Let's have a conversation, Jay. I know you a max player.


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[Assistant] I know what you're capable of. I know you're capable of 20 and 5. I understand that you're trying to get yourself back into game shape. I understand that you're even trying to work on becoming a better facilitator at the point guard position.


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[Assistant] But right now we got so much talent, we got so many different people playing well.


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[Assistant] Let me see if I can bring you off the bench for the next three or four games. That way, when you come in with that second unit, the world is yours. You still gonna get your 25, 28 minutes a game. You know, let's see if we can get the numbers up into points per game. You're doing pretty well with the assist. The cast is plus 19 when I'm on the court, you know, the last game they played.


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[Assistant] Darius, this is not nothing permanent. This is not nothing long term. I literally just want to see if this works now so that way if we're in a situation come playoffs, I know that I got this glass breaker lineup that I can go to if I need it.


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[Assistant] No, I'm just saying because when I come with these outside the box takes and try to be creative, people think that I don't like Darius Garland or I'm just trying to send him to the bench or we don't know basketball. No, you gotta be creative. You gotta think outside the box.


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[Assistant] People have this, this mindset of, I'm afraid to try something different or I'm afraid to tinker with this and tinker with that. I don't operate in fear. That's not who I am. And so of course my mind is going to go, I need to get you going. I know I need you. Right? I love the fact that you're becoming a better facilitator. I love the fact that you're not


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[Assistant] Forcing jump shots when you know you're not in game shape, right? You're finding other ways to have an impact on the game. But I need Darius Garland to still go get a bucket. When it's time to get a bucket. It's just that simple.


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[Assistant] It was so funny because I literally said just three or four games, just to experiment, but again, to me...


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[Assistant] People get so outraged because they don't know how to think outside the box.


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[Assistant] People wanna stick with the status quo. People are, people are more concerned about public perception.


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[Assistant] Then there is experimenting and trying different ways to get to your ultimate goal. Again, I don't operate in my fears. I don't give a damn what the masses think, how they feel about things, right? You gotta be willing to step outside of yourself and at least try something different.


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[Assistant] And if you're not willing to try something different, then that says a lot about you. That's, that's a lot of stubbornness, right? And again, it's just a situation.


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[Assistant] Not times out of ten, the man probably is never coming off the bitch.


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[Assistant] Anyway, right? Right. It probably won't happen because even in the NBA, they're going to say this is a max player. He can't be coming off the bench. But for everybody who feels like it's the worst idea in the world, I would tell you, man, you got to learn how to think outside the box and stop going about everything like you do every single day.


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[Assistant] I will say this though, since he's been back, uh, I heard him speak to the media the other day and I really appreciated what he had to say. I did too. You know, he said that I'm not in game shape. I'm still working myself back into game shape and that I'm learning. I'm just really out here trying to get my teammates involved. And so like the Cavs were plus 19 with him on the court.


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[Assistant] I appreciate the fact that Darius Garland is not out here just jacking up shots, just for the sake of jacking up shots, right? He's playing within the offense, he's doing his thing. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] As he's coming back and getting himself back into basketball shape, you know, I'm just throwing out different scenarios of,


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[Assistant] While, while we're in this little stretch of, how can I do more to get Darius Garland going when it comes to the point side of things? I think he's doing his job when it comes to being a facilitator and getting his team involved. I appreciate the fact, like I said, that he's not forcing anything while he work himself up back into shape, you know, but,


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[Assistant] It was just a thought. Maybe or maybe not, this could be a confidence booster for you. You know, as you come back the next couple games and we playin' some bombs, and you the leader of the second team, now you back to droppin' 24 a game, next thing you know, you back in the starting lineup and you droppin' 24 a game there. You know, it's not the worst thing in the world.


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[Assistant] I'm excited, I'm excited now, like, I'm a Cavs fan before anything, like, I'ma be excited. I love the way they're playing now. Like, I'm excited to see them play now. They play Wednesday, I'm excited for that. Like, as they keep this thing rolling and going to the playoffs, hell yea.


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[Assistant] The fandom eventually will take over. I can't sit up here and give no like pretty critique answer of they need to do X, Y, and Z. They're winning?


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[Assistant] They're, they're having fun doing so. They look damn good doing so. And as a fan, I'm excited to see it. Just stay consistent with it.


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[Assistant] But I mean, back to, to, to wrap it up with what he asked for, are the Cavs getting enough credit? No, but who cares? Let's keep winning.


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[Assistant] I don't know how true this is, but I heard the Ford family or who owns the Detroit Lions, they, they funded the stadium building themselves as well. Uhm, I told G this Saturday and I can be totally off base. The fact that Jimmy went out there and purchased 176 acres of land told me that he was kind of


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[Assistant] Tired of the back and forth. He just wanna get this done. Is basically what I'm trying to say.


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[Assistant] I think he did, I think he did it for leverage. Definitely. I definitely think so. I think it's one of those. He didn't have so many different meetings with city council and the mayor and things like this. And he's like, man, you know what? This back and forth on what we gonna do. Let me just go ahead and spend my money, go get this land. And if I got to do this myself, I'll do this myself. Either way.


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[Assistant] I just want a new stadium. I really don't give a damn about how it get done, who pay for it, how you go about it.


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[Assistant] In some way shape or form with tax money, but brand new stadium, retractable roof, natural grass. If you put it in Brookport, you got a connected, I think there's four major highways that connect. You can build up around it like whatever, just do what you got to do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, man. So you know what we do here at the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, man. Number one diverse sports outlet that you're going to find in the city of Cleveland. Today on Bill Russell's birthday, we're going to honor Bill Russell. Uh, he was the first black head coach of a major pro sports team in 1966.


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[Assistant] He also was the league's first black MVP in 1958.


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[Assistant] In 1968, he also became the first black man to coach his team to a championship. And so today, you know, we just want to honor Bill Russell on his birthday with it being black history month, man, like the impact that he had, you know, for people that look like me, um, and the, the encouragement and the motivation and just being an inspiration, like,


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[Assistant] Uh, it can never, never like be forgotten. People like Bill, Bill Russell was a true pioneer, a true legend, a true goat in every form and fashion of the word.


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[Assistant] Mike, real quick, we, we, uh, I wanna say this, we got like 45 seconds before we close. Uh, so, not gonna say any names on this, but somebody I know, uh, live in a different state, uhm, you know, trying to, trying to get in the media game, and their children, uh, one of their kids,


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[Assistant] have read something in the chat that was said about the dad and the child, uh, tried to harm himself.


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[Assistant] You never know who you're impacting that's kinda like connected to that person. Spreading love really don't cost a damn thing in this world. Don't be a bully. Like, you don't have to be that person, man. Just, just, just be careful. Cause it's a child somewhere that tried to harm themselves based on somebody did something you didn't mean. We gotta be better than that. See you in overtime.


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[Assistant] You use Photoshop and I don't want to pay for your meal. Hey, you talking about y'all date? I got kids.


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[Assistant] Before you dive in, we're not doing the Flacco move because that was in-season or Hunt because that was in-season. I give them, I give those moves an A. Hard to argue.


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[Assistant] I'm in the minority then. Uhm, I have him as a B minus. I like the move, and I do think that he, he filled the need for the Browns. There's no question about that. And he's a huge upgrade at that position.


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[Assistant] I just think I, I guess for the size of the contract, I expected a little bit more in terms of splash, splash plays. Uh, he did make some and he had some nice plays and overall again, I think I like it. I just, I can't go as high as a B plus. So for me, I guess I'm an odd man out.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're splitting hairs here, but I like him, but I just don't like him to the level of the B plus level.


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[Assistant] I'm a little lower again. I must be a tough grader. I'm going C minus. And I love this leadership.


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[Assistant] I expected the same thing you said. I expected that he was going to come in and be a major tone setter on a defense.


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[Assistant] That needs a leader. And I know Awok in the linebacking core is that guy. And he sort of became that, Thornhill became that vocal leader for the back end of the defense. But I just thought he was gonna be a little more impactful.


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[Assistant] I'm actually a little higher than you guys on this one. I'm an A-. And for the reason that you started your, uh, discussion points, if...


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[Assistant] Probably no one here has had a torn peck. I haven't, but I've talked to people that have.


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[Assistant] It is incredibly painful. Guys have worked through it.


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[Assistant] But the guys that I know that had worked through it prior to this one were absolute warriors. I'm assuming that he's nothing but the exact same thing. I liked him a lot. I really liked him a lot and I'm with you. I expect even more production out of him next year. I think that number four and a half is going to be up maybe in the six to eight range. I'd be happy with that.


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[Assistant] I actually took that into account. He's not paid like an every down player. They didn't bring him here to be an every down player.


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[Assistant] He, what they needed him to do, I thought he did and exceeded what I had hoped he had done. And by the way, I love the pain on Bull's face when he said, this is not good. No, I agree with Jay. I'm actually kidding, but I know, you know.


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[Assistant] This one's an F. And it's really, really, and it's not because of Marquis. I think he gave us what we all said we were going to get from him at his advanced age. He was hurt first with the blood clots. Obviously none of these are no fault of his own. Then he missed a lot of time with concussions.


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[Assistant] You know what, because he is such, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, he is such a wonderful human being.


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[Assistant] Caring, compassionate, kind. He gets the F+. F+.


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[Assistant] The one thing that I think really hurt him in his time here


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[Assistant] I had guys tell me you can't overthrow Marquise Goodwin. He is an Olympic caliber sprinter. And the fact that those early ones didn't connect, I think set the tone for his time here. It's too bad.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm giving this one an A+. Uhm, and I, I know it was an off-season signing because they brought him back.


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[Assistant] But I'm also factoring in the fact that we got him here in the first place. Jason told me something on our YouTube show earlier today that I did not know that also changes my opinion of him.


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[Assistant] He said that Ethan Posek when he was looking for a teen...


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[Assistant] The reason I think that matters is because that tells me he's a guy who is driven to be the best he can be. I want to go be pushed. I want to go to play for a great coach. I think he's been one, not as good as the Amari Cooper trade, but right close with it for me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, unfortunately they couldn't bring him back because the way he, his time ended here after the first year. Uhm, he had nine and a half sacks here I believe. I think he had the same number with the Ravens this year if I'm not mistaken or very, very close.


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[Assistant] Again, it's really hard to be too critical. He's a good player on a one year deal.


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[Assistant] Because you keep him motivated, you keep his engine churning, but in the playoff game, I was kind of down on the fact that he was in Baltimore, but in the playoff game and what little impact he had, it reaffirmed my belief that they made the right decision not to bring him back.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're going to take a break. We continue grading Andrew Barry, the general manager of the Cleveland route. We've talked about all of these off-season free agent moves, but what about the trades? We're going to dive into that when the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show comes back on WKYC Channel 3.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, uh, with no games to talk about. We're just manufacturing content and today we're pretty much putting Andrew Barry on the hot seat. We're looking at all the moves he made.


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[Assistant] In the off season leading up to last year. We just went through all the free agent signings. Mike, we're gonna do the trades that he made. And I think he made three trades and you're gonna show the player we got and the assets we gave up and then we'll give our grades. Who do we start with?


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[Assistant] But Bull dug into his last year in Minnesota and told all of us at the time, guys, his production really waned at the halfway point of the season. I didn't follow him closely enough there to know that. You looked into it and you were absolutely right.


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[Assistant] I will be shocked if he comes back. I don't want to say shocked. It would be a surprise to me if he comes back. He doesn't feel like a starter anymore.


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[Assistant] Jim Schwartz had so much success with rotating guys in and they all looked good. I think he's going to try to upgrade at that particular spot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's an F for me too. I had big expectations, and again, it goes back to what I've been saying on the YouTube show for a while now.


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[Assistant] Whatever criterion the Browns are prioritizing in selecting wide receivers, be it the draft or trade, with the exception of Amari Cooper, who is already a proven and known commodity, the guys that they're speculating on to become stars, they have a terrible batting average on Nellis, and it's an F for me.


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[Assistant] And I would say even Kareem Hunt lived up to exceeded expectations for me anyhow, but this guy is right there with Flacco in terms of what we got out of him and what we expected. Good job out of the Browns.


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[Assistant] Now we're gonna do the draft class and that also includes the undrafted free agent Ronnie Hickman, but let's put up the, if you would Mike, I guess the whole class so we can remind everybody who they acquired in this rookie class.


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[Assistant] But in fairness, this was the hardest one for me. The right answer is kind of incomplete, isn't it? Because there's one year of hay in the barn. I have to see more from these guys because I know that the jump from college to pro at certain positions is very difficult.


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[Assistant] That's fair, that's fair. I'm at a C also, because it's the closest thing that I can give to an incomplete really. It's not a fail, it's not a home run. The home run in the draft class is Dewan Jones. I think he's an answer at the offensive line for 10 years.


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[Assistant] Alright, well time will tell. This one really, for me anyhow, it was the most difficult one.


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[Assistant] I like it. His name begins with a B and that's about what we give him. Alright, we're out of time. Uh, this reminder, if you like what you see here on WKYC, two hours live streaming every day on the YouTube channel. Just look for UCSS in your Google search bar. Have a great weekend. We're back next week to talk about the Super Bowl. Peace.


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[Assistant] Today, uh, including could he transition to center field full time and extension talks. We get into that as well. Uh, we'll get to, so there's so much to get to today, but first I gotta do a big shout out here. Mike, if you could show the picture.


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[Assistant] So this is my niece and my nephew. My nephew was just born last week.


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[Assistant] They're not my nephew and niece by blood. Let's just say that sounds pretty Italian. Uh, well they're actually, uh, Italian and Filipino, the kids, because the dad Mel is Filipino, and the mom Heather is Italian.


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[Assistant] And they are such close friends of my wife and I that we, we, like my son calls them aunt.


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[Assistant] And Heather and Uncle Mel, and my son, like, when we are with Joey, he like takes care of her like he's his little, she's his little sister, so. We're very close, so, so I call him my niece and my nephew. And my, my, uh, Heather,


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[Assistant] Uh, fortunately for them, unfortunately for us, they moved to Seattle a few years ago. Uh, but we're still very close and we go see them and we're going back to see them again this summer, but Heather just went through a, uh,


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[Assistant] We love you guys and, uh, they're cute as hell. So welcome to the world, little Benicio. It's awesome. Thank you, thank you. So alright, enough for that. Let's get to some sports. Our first topic was supposed to be some trade conversations. Before we get to that, Jason put out an article in the Athletic that's so long I couldn't even finish it yet.


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[Assistant] But you have more information on this. Jason, obviously last week on the show, I think it was, we talked about the possibility of them moving by the airport.


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[Assistant] But now we have new information about maybe something happened in downtown after all, potentially.


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[Assistant] Nobody else is going to want to own a team too if they have to have a crappy stadium. So, unfortunately, taxpayer money should never go to stadiums, but it always does. That's the reality. We can rail against it if we want.


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[Assistant] I mean, we could have a charity. I mean, we could in theory have, you know, a charity helping homeless people. Yes. And all the money would, most of it would go there and then the taxes would go.


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[Assistant] Ohio, the state of Ohio, I believe, wasn't it eight billion in gambling last year? Seven. Six. Yeah, seven. Okay, let's even say it's six. So, twenty percent of that, it was a twenty percent tax.


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[Assistant] Off gambling. And that's with a 20% tag.


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[Assistant] You're talking, like, three hundred, in, in, in, probably in, in fifteen years, that's a billion dollars.


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[Assistant] Anyway, it sounds feasible, and that's only a 5% tax on sports gambling, without marijuana, without...


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[Assistant] I actually thought, guys, that it was, I thought it was worse than the Sixers game in the first half because A,


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[Assistant] In this game, the Cavs took awful shots in the first half.


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[Assistant] He reminds me of my days in radio where you'd have this one part-time guy working who...


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm being unfair. I'm gonna have to change my, uh, tune on him.


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[Assistant] And they're on ESPN and I think NBA TV a couple of times when they come back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're playing the Sixers again, so they got some, some interesting games. You know, it's, I was just thinking about this compared to last year, right? They don't have that many more, they have more wins than they did the All-Star break last year. Correct. Not by a lot. I mean, it's not a huge difference.