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[Assistant] None of us complained at the time. Well guess what? It's not our job. That's not our job. No. It's not our job to assess the backup quarterback and see is DTR ready for the league. Or we couldn't have projected that Josh Dobbs was going to be pretty good. That's their job. And I don't think it makes us hypocritical.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well we'll give it to you on default if it makes you feel any better. No, I don't want it that way. Well, did you win it last time? No, I think Bull did. Okay, so then Bull keeps it. Sorry.


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[Assistant] Technically the Browns sold at the trade deadline. Yes they did. Technically a minor sell. You're right. Not to the level of the guardians, but they sold. They didn't, they didn't add. Now I'm not going to revisit that because I was applauding the move. It's not a, it's not a. I know in hindsight sometimes it's 2020 and I get that, but.


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[Assistant] Look, we all watched what he was giving this team. It was nothing. Alright, but here, let me ask you guys this. So, we're all gonna be happy.


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[Assistant] If they go sign a Nick Foles, a, a, a, a Matt Ryan or somebody like that. We'll all be cool with that, right? Yeah. We're all going to be annoyed, I think, or at least the three of us will be, uh, if they sign a, a, a slappy like Kellen Maughan. How do we feel? Okay, you'll be angry.


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[Assistant] I would prefer that. I'm not going to say I'm only happy if, cause let me see who they bring in and then I'll revisit it, but my preference would be


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[Assistant] Give me a guy that even if he's not going to put his cleats on the turn, he can stand next to DTR when the defense is on the field and say, look bro,


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[Assistant] This is what they're doing. They're giving you a look to try to confuse you. Don't look at this safety. He needs somebody like that in his, in his head. Even if it's a lower tier guy like a Trevor Simeon. I don't want to. I would take Trevor Simeon.


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[Assistant] He was a freak. He, it, it is, in his senior year, he missed some games, but he averaged, uh. What was he, Louisville? At Louisville. His last two years there, he played 23 games, rushed for a total of 1600 yards in 23 games. Is Jeff Brahms still the coach there? No, it's Scott Satterfield. Is he a rookie? Jeff Brahms.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't know why the Browns didn't up the ante, but again, the Vikings are where the Browns are today.


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[Assistant] That's what it's come to. I can't believe that's where we are, but that's where we are. And you know, I, there's a hundred different ways we could spin this. And boy, I agree. I actually thought DTR's touched on Drive was his coming out party.


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[Assistant] And I just tweeted, we're going to be talking about that driver for weeks. He was feeling himself, he was gaining confidence.


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[Assistant] And then he was dead on the field. And it's like, seriously guys?


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[Assistant] Why can't we just have nice things? But I'm actually gonna go a different direction. I never thought they were gonna win this game. I picked them to lose on Friday's show. So I'm not overly traumatized by it. And I still think everything's right there in front of them. It was always a race to ten. It's still a race to ten. There's still three more wins on this schedule.


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[Assistant] So I'm not ready to throw everything overboard, hit the panic button and all that stuff. It's going to be okay. This was always a tough game. This was always a tough place to play, a tough venue. So it's really not the end of the world.


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[Assistant] But you beat Indy, so you have the tiebreaker over Indy, and you got a huge one looming with Houston, cause Jacksonville's probably gonna win the division after yesterday. It looks like it. So the Jacksonville...


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[Assistant] While it's a big one, Houston is even bigger in terms of tiebreakers.


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[Assistant] And I, and I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but go back to what Mike talked about with the six pack of stats on Friday. And he told you this defense since the Miami game is a completely different defense. And he rolled out the numbers and that's the defense that we saw on Sunday. It wasn't Miami. It was the way that they played since Miami.


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[Assistant] I thought, yeaah, they should have run it more. Yeaah, clearly. I can get behind that. They should have run it more. I also think there was a lot more beyond just handing the ball off that went wrong. The tackles are getting exposed, especially on the left side. Jerry and Christian had a miserable day.


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[Assistant] Yes, and between the false starts and the holds and giving up the sacks, uh, just a ton of drops again. The drops are just turning into criminal.


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[Assistant] And you can't have that when your margin of error is as thin as it is and that they just got absolutely gashed in the run game. I don't know that we saw that coming.


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[Assistant] So there was, it went well beyond just they didn't hand the ball off enough. And yeah, I would agree with that. I do think they needed to run it more. And we'll get into the play that everyone lost their mind over. The Pierre Strong reverse. I was texting with Tyvis this morning because I obviously, I didn't go to Denver. I'm here.


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[Assistant] And so I was in the locker room after the game and it's too early to text anyone now.


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[Assistant] Uh, they were, everyone was traveling yesterday, so I haven't talked to anyone around the team, but I texted Thivas this morning and really the blocking broke down on that play.


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[Assistant] And if you, if you want to pull this up on your own, you can probably pull it up and go a little bit slower on it. But they had three on two on the right side to block them. And DJ Jones just made a great play. And Tiva said he thought...


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[Assistant] They were expecting him to go inside and he went outside on Wyatt. You'll see it here. He does the swim move outside on Wyatt and he blows the whole thing up. And I think Pierre fumbled it because he saw he was about to get blown up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because ultimately you're asking a running back to catch a pitch. That's not, that's not a tall task. Like you're a running back, catch a toss, catch a pitch.


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[Assistant] But I think he saw DJ Jones had actually blown it up, and Teller let him go, and that's the part I'm confused on, because normally if Wyatt misses a block, he's gonna turn his head, he's gonna turn around and try and chase him, chip him, do something, and Wyatt just seemed to release him and let him go, and Tyvis felt like he just, because of the outside swim move,


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[Assistant] But really I think the breakdown was on the blocking the fact that DJ Jones probably read it right away and the fact he goes outside swim move on Wyatt rather than playing it inside which the Browns are expecting him to play inside really prevented that from having any chance of working.


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[Assistant] I sent you a link yesterday, uh, Shane Steichen in Indy was called a wizard because on fourth and one, they faked a handoff and he throws it. It is a great play. It goes for 11, 12 yards. On fourth and one, he's out of shotgun, Gardner's out of shotgun and throws it and, and Shane Steichen's a wizard for it. Now he's up for coach of the year and he's getting like this late run, this late push. Whereas if the receiver drops it,


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[Assistant] He's an idiot. They're on his job. And that play was a Kevin special. Like it was absolutely a Stefanski play on fourth and one, fake the handoff, throw it to the wide open guy. He was wide open. Go find it. Wide open.


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[Assistant] That, I hated that because that's exactly, you're asking someone to do something they're not comfortable doing. You don't ask a Mario Cooper to throw the ball down the field. That's why I didn't like that one as much. I'm sure, I don't see practice, I guarantee you they rep that and rep that and rep that last week.


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[Assistant] Denver made a great play and I didn't love the play call at the time either for the moment, but I'm sure it was, hey, listen, we got this quarterback in who turns the ball over every time he touches the ball. We got to run the ball. They know we're going to run the ball. Let's try and disguise it a little bit. And it blew up in a catastrophe.


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[Assistant] Bull, you mentioned it. The Brown Success Rate Sunday on series that started with a pass, 79%. On series that started with a run, 40%.


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[Assistant] And a success rate in this instance is a drive that then converts into a first down, a new set of downs or a score or something like that. So the metrics, and I know people want to roll their eyes to the metrics a lot of times, the metrics say they had more success throwing it on first down than they did on running.


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[Assistant] The Browns beat the Patriots a few years ago and they were awful. They were the god-awful typical Browns and they beat...


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[Assistant] Was the Patriots or Saints or some Super Bowl contender? And it was just trick play. It was trick play after trick play after trick play. Fake point.


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[Assistant] Statute, like you name it. They just pulled it all out because they knew they didn't have the talent to line up man to man and run a normal offense. And I think we're getting to that point with the injuries with where this team is at.


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[Assistant] I mean, my God, if they could go into next week's game without their top, what, five, six players? Is it stands right now? And by the way, PJ Walker got Amari Cooper hurt.


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[Assistant] Blows my mind. How they're in this position where you have to ride on this guy for anything.


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[Assistant] He looked great in that touchdown drive. That throw he made to Amari on third down, it looked like it was a dead play and that was, are you talking about arm strength? That was all arm. It was like off balance, wrong foot he's throwing off, all arm strength, sideline out to Amari. That was an incredible throw.


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[Assistant] And then he threw in a tight coverage and I think the joku, he threw, it was an incredible throw. It looked like a veteran's throw and you could just see him feeling himself. You could see the confidence growing and then he takes the hit and he's knocked out of the game. I stick, if he could go, I stick with DTR. I said that last week. I'm rolling with this kid.


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[Assistant] One more thing real quick on DTR. I thought he would be pressuring into turnovers. I think I said on Friday, my headline was, he's gonna throw two picks. I thought Denver would win off turnovers, but I thought it would be DTR turnovers. I thought, for what the position he's been put in this year, I was really impressed with the way DTR played. It's really unfortunate. And now you go into LA,


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[Assistant] I mean, Miles, highly questionable. We're probably not going to get any updates. They're in California now. We're not going to get any updates during the show. But Miles is highly questionable. DTR, highly questionable. Obviously, Nick's out. Cooper. Ahmari Cooper, highly questionable. Denzel. I mean, right there's your top five players. You could be without all five of those guys.


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[Assistant] I mean, he was on a golf course 10 days ago, now he's going up against Aaron Donald. If this goes the way that we think it's going to go. Mikey, what do you got?


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[Assistant] I texted you guys after the Monday night loss to Denver. I thought they were in a world of poop then because of what their schedule lies ahead.


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[Assistant] This is why I love the NFL because in September, who could have imagined Cincinnati and Buffalo could both be out. And the Chargers.


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[Assistant] Arm strength, athleticism, I agree with you. Getting the ball out quickly. You mentioned you didn't take a sack. Like he's, I don't know if it came out as fast as it did last week. I mean, last week it was like.


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[Assistant] He could do a little bit. He could do a little bit. I don't know that we're going to have this massive evolution. Right. But there have been guys, I mean, look at Yanis when he first came in the league and look at him now, you know, look at Jim Tomey when he came up with the Indians and what he filled out to be. So it can happen, but I just think by and large, he probably is what he is in stature at this point.


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[Assistant] I hear you and I see what you're saying, but I think because it's an AFC opponent, there's so much at stake. They threw the ball that much because they thought it gave them the best chance to win. Now, whether or not you disagree with that.


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[Assistant] I don't blame you, but I'm telling you that's why they threw the ball that much. If they're going to do that and sort of like, let's see what we got here so we know what to do. I think you do that next week against an NFC opponent where the loss doesn't hurt as much because this one stings a little bit in the tiebreaker. We've already talked about it. So you put out the game plan to win the game.


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[Assistant] There are some positives in his game, there's no doubt about it. I'm telling you, go back and watch that throw to Omari. I was so impressed. I don't, I don't know that every quarterback, starting quarterback in the NFL, I know not every starting quarterback in the NFL can make that throw. From where he threw that thing, off his back foot, off balance.


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[Assistant] That is a big boy, that is a man's throw. I was so impressed with that one throw. Because I thought the drive was over, he's throwing it incomplete and they're punting. And that throw seemed to just pivot.


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[Assistant] And what did Joe Thomas say on the show? When he does it once, you know he's capable of doing it. You know that it's in there, so now it's a matter of maximizing that and getting to it again and again. Is he always going to complete that thrill? No, he's not. But you know it's in his bag. You know that it's there when he needs it.


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[Assistant] This dude is a warrior, like last year. Unbelievable. I can't tell you, like there was some tweets coming out of Lockton yesterday that he needed help putting his shirt on over his shoulder.


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[Assistant] I saw that multiple times last year after the car accident where he couldn't put his shirt on after the game and he needed help and yet he's still out there on the field. And last year, you know, I know there was a sense of responsibility and he knew he'd let the team down with the car accident and the way that he was hurt in the first place.


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[Assistant] So he was determined to fight through it. He missed one game, I think, with it and then came right back. So if there's any chance at all for him to be on the field, he's gonna be on the field. Like this guy's toughness is off the charts, but you just wonder how effective can he be? That's the key.


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[Assistant] I mean, Garrett, you know, how effective is his swim move or a spin move if he can't move his arm, if he can't lift his shoulder?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's, you know, we've seen with Jim's defense, with Jim Schwartz's defense, the right corner gets this side of the field, the left corner gets this side of the field, and they don't match up and they don't change. And in this instance, I think I'd like to see Emerson shadow Cortland Sutton a little bit more. That was a bad job by Schwartz.


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[Assistant] And, and, and then let Newsome carry Judy, because it just felt like, man, it's right from the jump. They were looking for zero, and they were going right at his ass the whole game.


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[Assistant] There is no excuse for this pass. I mean, look at that. He exposed him to an unnecessary hit right in the ribs with a terrible throw.


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[Assistant] And as it was, the game was over the last two minutes, right? Last two minutes, the game was over. Four minutes was over. But in eleven games, two.


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[Assistant] We're out of control. They had a chance to be in it and win every game at the end.


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[Assistant] But in 11 games, 2, they were out of it in the last 2, 3, 4 minutes, whatever number you want to put on it. With the injuries that they've had, that


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[Assistant] Alex Wright seemed to get a lot of reps. Even before Miles, he had a shoulder. Alex was, and he had two offsides. Which isn't great.


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[Assistant] And they haven't had a lot of the, like I think Kevin said it was, they were just sloppy and they were. And they, or he said they didn't play a clean game. And they had a lot of mistakes that really they haven't had this year with.


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[Assistant] You know, one thing I know we moved off quarterback, but I just thought of this. I gotta mention this.


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[Assistant] This is going to be such a difficult week, I think, for them, practice-wise. When you're out of your element, first of all, you're at UCLA, so you're not at home. That was by design. That's fine.


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[Assistant] Who are you giving the practice reps to if DTR hasn't cleared protocol? If he, let's say he clears Thursday or Friday.


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[Assistant] But you know what I mean? Like, DTR needs these reps too. He's young. He needs these practice reps. But Joe's been golfing and sitting in the bar.


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[Assistant] Just for instance. You play him? I would. Oh, absolutely. If he's cleared, he practices and gets all the reps. I'm just saying, it's just, it's hard for me because you need to get Joe, you're back to needing to get two guys ready almost, and maybe they rule him out early in the week. I don't know how severe the concussion is. I don't know. But I'm just saying, if it's like a Thursday, Friday clear, and he doesn't really get many practice reps,


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[Assistant] Practice reps are so important. I think we dismiss it. I think we dismiss that. Just get them ready for Sunday. Just get them ready for Sunday. And with the position that the Browns are in.


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[Assistant] Especially with the position the Browns are in with the guy off the street and this fifth round rookie who


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[Assistant] Still is raw. He's so raw. He's had a couple of weeks as the, as the, as the expected starter. So he's gotten a couple of those Wednesday, Thursday, Friday reps, the practice reps, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday are so important. And we just seem to dismiss it sometimes is just get him ready for Sunday. Right. We've seen how it works.


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[Assistant] Young, rich, single guys in their early twenties in LA for a week. So yes, I think there is absolutely, especially earlier in the week, you know, if you follow a normal week, they're off on Tuesdays. What happens Tuesday? What happens tonight? Monday night going into an off day.


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[Assistant] So, but I, I would be more concerned. I would, I would, I like to think that because you're in season, there's less risk than if it was July. Like if this was when they were in West Virginia, there's probably more concern of guys getting into trouble. But again, they're young single millionaires in their twenties in LA for a week.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think there's a little bit of concern, but hopefully, like, obviously they took that into account when they...


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[Assistant] The Patriots have done this before, and I have to talk to people with the Patriots who don't like doing this, who feel like


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[Assistant] Stick with the routine, stick with the regiment. Yeaah, it's a long flight, but stick with what we know. Don't get us out of our normalcy, but the Patriots are famous for doing this.


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[Assistant] Going and staying out west and spending the week there. They've had a lot of west teams come east and stay out here when you do back to back games. And you know, they schedule them this way. They, they ask the league if you're going to do this to us.


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[Assistant] Please put them back to back so that we can stay there, and I think that's what happened.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, yeaah. The rhythm, the chemistry. If, if he was in his third or fourth year as the starter, it's not as important. You could roll in, you know, Friday or whatever, even the weekend, and it's not gonna be ideal, but you can, you can muddle through. But when you're a fifth round rookie,


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[Assistant] You know, Deshaun needs those practice reps when he was out there because of all the time that he's missed and how new he is to the system. So everything is still so new.


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[Assistant] The, the, the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday work, the game, the installation.


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[Assistant] It's so critical when you don't have that familiarity. If, if, you know, if these guys have been around, if they, if, if this was a normal functioning franchise and you got the same quarterback for four or five years in a row and he's got the same targets, well you can go out there on Sunday and draw something up in the dirt and it's okay, but the Browns aren't in that position.


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[Assistant] Wednesday, Thursday, Friday isn't as important.


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[Assistant] To Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and T. Higgins and Tyler Boyd because these guys are running so many routes, they know what, they've seen it all, they know what they're doing, they know where the guys are going to be.


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[Assistant] With the Browns and maybe that does help with Tillman a little bit and get him going just because he knows DTR so well where none of these other guys do. I just think because the unfamiliarity Wednesday, Thursday, Friday is so much more important than people realize.


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[Assistant] I know it's only Monday and we're still talking about Broncos, but you know, I was thinking about looking ahead to next week and if they lose at LA,


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[Assistant] It's gonna feel like the building's on fire. We're gonna come in Monday and go, Oh my God, it's over. Here's the unraveling.


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[Assistant] This, this Rams game to me does not feel as important as the rest that follow it. I agree. They can lose this one, seven and five, we're going to scream and rail, G's going to want somebody fired. Yep. But when you look at playing Jackson, you did not, you did not.


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[Assistant] Probably. But look at this stack of AFC teams that come after the Rams. And the Bears are wedged in there too. And that's a win. You gotta beat Chicago. You gotta beat Chicago. But there is such an AFC run of playoff teams after that. Jacksonville, Houston.


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[Assistant] The Jets with or without Rodgers, you know, Bengals in 18. So it, I just want to get that on the record now.


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[Assistant] And even if, if DTR doesn't clear and they play flaco and miles can't go and they get run off the field or whatever happens, it doesn't matter, whatever happens.


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[Assistant] There's such a stack of AFC teams and important games after it.


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[Assistant] Look at the Steelers' schedule. They're going to playoffs. Oh, they are. They're absolutely going to playoffs. Arizona, New England, at Indy, Sensi at home, at Seattle, at Baltimore.


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[Assistant] If you think that's not important, then you don't understand this rivalry. I mean, we've seen Justin Herbert go back to school. Matt Liner went back to school. It's not out of the realm of possibility, I guess, but I would be surprised.


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[Assistant] They're not going to playoff. I, I, I think you could build a case for them. Oh no. To go to the playoff. No, there's a path for the playoff. Yeah, but it's gonna, it's gonna take a lot for them.


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[Assistant] I saw their odds were like 54% still to make it. It was like better than half, but I still think he's got to go.


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[Assistant] And listen, I don't know Mike at all. I talked to him briefly at the owner's meetings last year.


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[Assistant] And I would think he's gotta know what he has in Tennessee. He's pretty much maxed out.


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[Assistant] Dave Briggs is a columnist for Toledo Blade, does a really nice job. And if you remember those late 90's Cooper teams that were just absolute jackass. Loaded, loaded. I covered them. Loaded. Listen to this, this blew my mind. John Cooper from 95 to 98, those massive teams, 43 and 7.


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[Assistant] One and three against Michigan. Three and four against top five teams. Ryan Day in his last 50 games. Wait.


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[Assistant] John Cooper was 1-9-1 against Michigan. No, no, no. This is 95-98. Okay, he had talent those other years too and lost. Well no, I'm just saying, John was 2-10-1. I covered the end of the Cooper years. He was 2-10-1 against Michigan. From 95-98, those powerful teams that should have won national championships, John went 43-7.


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[Assistant] One and three against Michigan, three and four against top five teams. Ryan Day, last 50 games.


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[Assistant] 43 and seven, one and three against Michigan, two and five against top five. It's John Cooper all over again.


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[Assistant] I was talking, yeaah, I was talking to somebody over the weekend about, in fact about the variable thing about


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[Assistant] I don't know if Mike would want to deal with the fact that anybody can go into the transfer portal just like that. It's awful guys. But, and I thought this was a good point. He said, that doesn't really happen at Ohio, like at Ohio State.


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[Assistant] Unless it's the quarterback and it's Quinn Ewers and you lose your opportunity and you gotta go play somewhere else.


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[Assistant] Right. That's what we're talking about. No, but that's the one position aside from that. I don't know what Ohio State has lost a ton of dues to Transfer Portal because it's Ohio freaking stick. Well, so far, so far they have.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can only name the one song you guys actually did better than me. We also have a topic that bull pitched on Monday that I know is going to drive people crazy later that we're going to get into and I cannot wait to see how you guys answered. I think it's a fascinating question. Also breaking news real quick.


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[Assistant] Because the Cavs did not make the NBA's midseason playing tournament, which we'll talk about in overtime,


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[Assistant] They have learned their next two opponents for the week of December 2nd to whenever. They're going to host the Orlando Magic on December 6th, and then they hit the road to play the Miami Heat on December 8th. Those are the two open dates that were dependent on whether or not you made the Vegas tournament and you missed it. So you have the Magic coming to Cleveland and then they are heading to Miami. And let's get into some football topics, guys. That's what I know everyone's here for.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, Anthony's working from home, so we're gonna take it today. We were trying to get one in for the second half of the hour.


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[Assistant] So Darius Smith according to ESPN has 5 tackles for loss.


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[Assistant] Agro has 12 tackles for loss. Wow, I mean that, and how many tackles does he have?


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[Assistant] I'm feeling optimistic about Cedric. Kyron, uh, Williams was also a fifth round pick. So back, back, fifth round pick. So they're laughing.


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[Assistant] Okay, Mike. Well, they have a first round pick this year and we have a first round pick guest coming up in one second is Travis Rodgers of Lockdown Rams podcast. But first.


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[Assistant] who was getting ready for the Browns. Travis, th


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[Assistant] Travis, we marvel at what Aaron, uh, at what Myles Garrett does on a weekly basis here in Cleveland. Some of the stuff he does, we come in and we say, we've never seen it before. And you get sacks and he hasn't won defensive player of the year yet, but he's in the conversation. You get to watch Aaron Donald do something similar in LA and he've done so for a while.


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[Assistant] Is it possible to put into context or words just how good Aaron Donald has been and is still playing at this point in his career?


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[Assistant] He's the second highest graded D-tackle according to PFF still. Dexter Lawrence of the Giants.


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[Assistant] We're gonna go to our schedule game here in a sec. And first, we usually do behind the glass on Wednesdays. No behind the glass today. Ant's not feeling great. Earl's not feeling great. So we're gonna do it tomorrow. So scheduling alert, behind the glass.


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[Assistant] We'll be on tomorrow, not today. We apologize for any inconvenience, but we will hop on that tomorrow. Jay, you mentioned it earlier, but we always look at when the schedule is released. It's a big schedule release week. We know who the Browns will play, but when they play them is just as important. But talking about that before the season,


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[Assistant] We have a little bit of revisionist history to add some context to this whole discussion. So we're going to go through team by team and see whether or not the Browns actually


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[Assistant] Jarvis Landry's stats are the most ridiculously...


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[Assistant] Crazy. I don't say, like, he had a ton of catches but he had no yards.


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[Assistant] We're actually gonna postpone the schedule game till tomorrow. Because Mary Kay just put out an article. Uh oh. And I wanna read the headline. Uh oh. Uh oh.


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[Assistant] Brown's Miles Garrett actually likely does have structural damage in his left shoulder, but is determined to keep playing.


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[Assistant] I read the article, hold on, hold on. It's not an actual report, it's a little more Mary Kay speculation.


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[Assistant] But she said, Mary Kay knows something or she's not putting that on paper. I'm reading this word for word from Mary Kay's article. I'll read you the first three paragraphs real quick. Quote from Mary Kay's article. Miles Garrett actually likely does have some structural damage in his left shoulder. Okay, that's a statement.


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[Assistant] Given the fact that Garrett, quote, felt a pop during the game and couldn't lift his shoulder afterwards,


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[Assistant] It's highly unlikely that there's no damage inside. It does not mean it will keep him from playing or that he'll need surgery, but there's an issue in the shoulder that's been bothering him for a while and it got worse Sunday. In fact, it could be an aggravation of the AC joint sprain from flipping his Porsche last season.


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[Assistant] Or it could be something new, such as a partial dislocation where the ball slips out of the socket and then pops back in. Whatever the case, he's likely going to be playing in pain the rest of the season and could be limited at times.


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[Assistant] His lowest PFF grade I'll double check, but is by far his least productive as far as his additional box score numbers.


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[Assistant] No, it's, he's going to play, hopefully we'll learn some more, but Mary Kay, once again, there's no sourcing, not necessarily just more of a column than an actual article. But once again, we know Mary Kay, if she's writing it. And I will say this, Mike.


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[Assistant] Well, Barry got here in 20, correct? What's the Fanski?


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[Assistant] Is where it's at. Uh, shout out to Phil Bowman and Ray Smith for both gifting 10 memberships today, you guys are the real MVPs of November. Kenny Moss says, I wish the Browns would pull David Bell out of the lineup and bring up Austin Watkins, his spark, spark plug, spark plug play.


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[Assistant] Michael McGee says, I consider Tyrell Owens to be better than Randy Moss. Acid Brooks says, Deshaun only played 11 full games, he's 7-4, only bad game was against the Steelers this year. Matthew Dinkins?


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[Assistant] And Charles T says, uh, Kirk Cousins has Stefan Diggs and Adam Fielen, Jefferson Fielen, Kyle Rudolph, Conklin and Daven Cooke in his prime. That really helps make any quarterback look good.


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[Assistant] The Pittsburgh Steelers. Divisional foe. Why was I getting married on a, on a Browns game? I have no idea. They played on Saturday. Right. Right. Because it was Christmas week. Okay.


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[Assistant] Jason, I can't sit through a wedding without watching the Browns. It's the Brown Steelers. She married a Steelers fan. Sure. So she said, this is our plan. I'm gonna have a transistor radio with the white, remember the old white cords and then a little earbud? I'm going to be listening to the game.


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[Assistant] What do you guys think? Oh, I like that. What do you guys think? Oh, that's cool. Huh? Huh? So, if you guys didn't notice, the one that I usually use had a piece of paper and it was all taken out of the bag, so I'll hold it on there. So, I got this Instagram message from a loyal viewer. She watches every day.


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[Assistant] I'd like to make you one. Is that cool? I'm like, down. That's cool.


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[Assistant] So, she was gonna send it, and then, you know, she's a big fan, so I said, just come up to Channel 3.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you know how that goes. True. It doesn't swell till you take off the cleat.


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[Assistant] I'm zero percent worried about him not playing this game. I'm minorly worried about it affecting him in the game. How he'll play, right. Yeaah, I mean it could, but I'd say minorly cause...


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[Assistant] Because he played through it, yes, you're right. You know, once the game's over, it stiffens up a little bit and then you deal with the realities of what happened as opposed to in the moment of the game.


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[Assistant] You know, there's been plenty to criticize Deshaun Watson about for the last couple of years. His play until recently has not been great.


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[Assistant] Uh, the off the field stuff, people feel how they feel. I'm not going to tell anybody how they have to feel about all that situation. You want to be critical there, that's up to you, you know, your choice. But when, when Hanford Dixon, when Brady Quinn,


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[Assistant] Who in the past had shown a lot of toughness. And who has played with a bad shoulder.


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[Assistant] And hurts his knee, or his ankle, and he's playing his, you know, again, the first half was not very good, but he played great in the second half. That's the best half he's played. He's the best half, and he's playing tough, and he's playing through injuries, there's no excuses here.


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[Assistant] He doesn't play well. I'm not giving him a pass. Nope. He played well. And for people to question his toughness, say he doesn't want to play, I think that was really weak. And I think for that, people owe him apologies. I agree with that. I don't know how to friendly fire from Hanford. I just don't know how.


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[Assistant] And you're reminded of that when he came back healthy. Right. It didn't take much to knock him off from a hundred to an eighty. Right.


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[Assistant] Just one bum wheel. And that's why my hope is for Deshaun, it doesn't limit his mobility. The run option for him


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[Assistant] Is the reason he's the player he is. If you took that away, he would not be the same player. So I'm hoping that he keeps that. Not just running, but just being mobile within the pocket. Sure, sliding up, moving back, whatever. On the 16 yard run, that was the biggest play of the game in my view.


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[Assistant] Oftentimes in defeat, you can point to one play.


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[Assistant] But in victory, there are so many little stones that fell perfectly in place.


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[Assistant] This team didn't do things like that in the past.


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[Assistant] They won that Niner game like this. They won that Colts game like this. This year, they're winning games like that. Exactly. In the past, they did not. Exactly. And, and if there was so many moments in this game in particular,


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[Assistant] They've been overcoming it. And by the way, you just mentioned the first half stuff. In the fourth quarter, right? In the fourth quarter, James Prochet fumbled.


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[Assistant] And you're thinking, that's it, that's the final nail. That's the most browns thing that can happen. Browns be browns. Then in that ensuing drive, twice they extended that drive by penalty. Right. Which eventually led to the touchdown. Then you get the pig six.


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[Assistant] Your condition. Yes. What's funny for me, and I get a lot of other fans of the Browns, I'm also a fan of Ohio State.


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[Assistant] And it's so funny how the trajectory of those two teams is


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[Assistant] Complete dichotomy of one another. One is always finding ways to win games and always in the thick of it at the end. And the other is never. So I can juxtapose my fandom between those two and you're absolutely right. I watch Brown's games completely different.


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[Assistant] The more they win games that they are not supposed to win.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, they're certainly handcuffed, but so are the Browns. I think they're gonna win though, but we'll see.


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, I mean, by the way, if the Browns beat the Steelers and the Bengals beat the Ravens, right?


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[Assistant] It's one of the biggest, certainly. But I can't put it, even though the Steelers were not playing their starters.


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[Assistant] That game at the end of 2020 was you win, you're in the playoff. It was a playoff game for the Browns. Right. It was. So that was bigger. And I have that one bigger than this one too. That's why I can't go to, oh, it's the biggest. And remember the, was it, uh, 2007, right? The Derrick Anderson year. When they were 10 or 9 and 6, did they have to win the last week of the season? Right. That was big too. Yes.


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[Assistant] They're both in contention. Yeaah, but they're both mediocre teams. We think they are, but you know what? One thing that struck me last night when I was watching Denver.


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[Assistant] But no, they're, I mean, they're, they believe in him, no doubt. He's legit, 100%.


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[Assistant] There's no option, it's just they can get out of his contract.


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[Assistant] By the way, a little stat for you. The rushing yards the Browns had against the Ravens was the second most rushing yards the Ravens have allowed in their last 57 games.


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[Assistant] These two were unblocked. Hardball said after the game, yea, I might have to play a Morgan Cincinnati. Oh, you think? Wow.


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[Assistant] Then they had chances to win it in overtime and they couldn't close that deal. The Browns game, I mean, let's face it.


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[Assistant] I don't remember where that game was. Because I know Indy and Cleveland, those two losses were at home. My son was at the game yesterday. He went with two of his cousins.


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[Assistant] Uhm, a group of six people went and Corey said at the end of the game, Browns fans were taking that place over.


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[Assistant] He said it was a really good crowd, a good showing of Browns fans. Not a surprise. And, I should throw this out there, he said, he's been to a lot of opposing stadiums, he said Ravens fans, even after the game was over, could not have been more cordial. Just thought I'd throw that out there. That's nice.


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[Assistant] Highest. I don't remember him being in the 80s. Highest. I'm gonna go highest.


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[Assistant] I think we're overstating a little on the diamond in the rough on Kareem Hunt. The kicker has done a fa- I mean, he's been phenomenal. Yeah, I can credit to Andrew Barry.


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[Assistant] Somebody asked, we asked the question before, where does this upcoming game rank?


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[Assistant] In terms of most anticipated regular season games since the team's been back in 99. Where does it rank for you? It's gotta be near the top, right?


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[Assistant] To Juan Jones, obviously, we're looking at his status coming back. Juan Thornhill got banged up in this game, Mary Kay. What, David Bell, I guess. What are the, what are the latest on those guys that maybe anybody else were still forgetting about?


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[Assistant] The Browns not only get their ass kicked in the score of the game,


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[Assistant] Like he's Michael Orr in the blind side throwing the kid over the fence. I mean, he picked him up basically, threw him 11 yards down the field.


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[Assistant] The Browns have, the Browns used to get pushed around by these teams all the time and they've said enough and that has stopped. And that was, that to me was my, those two plays were my favorite because it showed the toughness that this team has that they haven't had in the past. It's like a blocking smile.


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[Assistant] You mentioned that it, it, it does feel like this is a different scene. It feels like there's a different culture. Let's give credit for that. Where does it go? Is it, is it, is the bulk of it Jim Schwartz and then you dole it out to a lot of the defensive players? What's the impetus of this, this culture change?


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[Assistant] And Mary Kay, let's wrap it up with some love for Jerome Ford, because I know on this panel, myself 100% included, I was done watching Jerome Ford. All of us. I wanted to see Pierre Strong. I still like Pierre Strong, but Jerome Ford, by far his best game. He was fantastic yesterday. Or Sunday.


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[Assistant] The big question on Bickerstaff was, let's see what he does in the playoffs. Yeah. He comes in as the better seed, he has home court advantage. They laid a colossal dinosaur egg. Huge. At that point I said, he's not it.


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[Assistant] He is not it, because as you guys know, when the playoffs roll around, what is it all about?


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[Assistant] Defense and rotation. Matchups.


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[Assistant] And I blame the organization and the coach for that. And now what's going to happen? Donovan Mitchell don't like the coach, the coach is going to get fired, and then Donovan Mitchell is going to get traded next year. Well, unless, unless they hit it out of the park with whoever they hire, and that's going to be hard.


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[Assistant] If, if, if you, let's extrapolate this out. If you do it over 82 games, their record is 36 and 46. Right. Okay, it's not, it's 38 and 44. Okay, it's not good, they're not 500, and he's leaving.


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[Assistant] Fix it now. And there's been plenty of examples where teams started horrifically. If you're gonna do it, the first 10 games is the time to do it. My guess is they lose to Portland and he doesn't come home with the team. They've got some assistant coaches. Don't ask me. I don't have an answer for you.


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[Assistant] For the first time since however long, certainly since I've been in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna say they're the best franchise, they're not the best franchise, but the Browns are the best team in Cleveland right now.


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[Assistant] This Cavs team just feels like, this Cavs team just feels like to me, like one of those teams that, like the Hawks or the Pacers, that they go to the playoffs and they lose the first round. You know what, Cleveland loves overachievement. They love it.


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[Assistant] What's the best story from a Steelers game that would make us hate them even more? Ooh, good.


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[Assistant] Kelly, did you know Peyton Manning was gonna be, I mean obviously he had a ton of hype coming out of college, but did you know he, did you know he was gonna be as good as he was?


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[Assistant] Kelly, what's the biggest difference in the game today from when you played?


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[Assistant] I'd love to see a study or a stat on exactly what you just talked about because I was watching with some friends a couple of weeks ago and we said the same thing and we're all older. So we remember watching football in the eighties and nineties. I would love to see how many penalties on average there were in the eighties and nineties compared


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[Assistant] today because it just seems like there's, you can't go a series without a flag being thrown. It's crazy.


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[Assistant] And hey, keep that right arm in shape. You never know. You never know.


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[Assistant] Right, these teams are all so close. It'll separate itself the last seven weeks of the season. It always does. Eventually, you think. I mean, there's going to be a log jam, but all four teams from the north are not going to the playoffs. Probably not. It's just, I just can't see that happening. Well, right now the Bengals are not in. They're the eight. No, I know. The Texans are the seven.


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[Assistant] It kinda pushes them on the outside looking in.


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[Assistant] I think the Bengals are the more dangerous team and I want them out. They scare the hell out of me.


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[Assistant] Yes he did. So, when I was in Seattle, Coach Carroll came in. It was short yardage and goal line day. He made sure everybody came in and raised their right hand. He said, I solemnly swear to play the pass first. With that being said, let's take a look at this play.


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[Assistant] Rayshon Jenkins is the safety on this player. He got David Najoku. They're in a gold line situation. Gold line means that there is no receivers detached. So they bring in the big boys. You're supposed to play pass first. You're supposed to look through your tight end to the running back. If it's a pass, you take the tight end. If it's a run, you are the contained player on that side.


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[Assistant] So, I'm proud to be sitting here healthy today, okay, and part of my UMatter Wellness line, I got the UMatter BK shoes that are coming out for the holidays.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to represent my Brown's happiness today. Okay, I'm trying to... Who designed it? Did you design it? So we got a cool friend in Cleveland, Jay Rock, who is a friend and he designed this Cleveland Brown special.


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[Assistant] My, I do feel healthy now. This is a, I've joked about this is the best I've felt this century. So I didn't think about it like that mostly the young kids get the shoe deals these days. But for me now to have my own shoe for the holidays and then be able to give back part of the proceeds to uhm, to the foundation and some of the stuff. How do we get them?


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[Assistant] So right now I'm putting that together because the, uhm, it was a limited edition of it and I was only just made a few of them and stuff. The response has been enormous. I can imagine. So we're working on that actually later on this afternoon to put these on my website and stuff. By the way, I just got a text from a source who said


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[Assistant] Well, you know what? I'm proud to be able to say Salesman and be able to annunciate and articulate. I mean, we say it in jest to be able to be on these shows and to be able to, again, joke around, talk about serious subjects, be able for the


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[Assistant] And some of the things that we were talking about, you know, when I started coming on the show about a month ago, three weeks ago, we were talking about Deshaun.


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[Assistant] And we were talking about, you know, what to do and we were talking about, is he tough enough? Is he, does he really want to play? And we were talking about the involuntary twitch and the, and how it kind of gives out on you. And again, I'm not trying to circle this about me, but we, we had said, Hey, I played through this for a couple of weeks and


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[Assistant] I went kind of on a long segment, a homily, about I'm very proud, you know, to how well I played and...


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[Assistant] In Houston and then in Buffalo to win a playoff game.


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[Assistant] But that only lasted for a few weeks and we thought by, by the AFC Championship game after about a month my arm was really shot and a micro tear of my shoulder started becoming a bigger tear and we sat here three or four weeks ago and we were, at least I was, and we were talking about, uhm, if he played that after about a month


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[Assistant] You'd probably have it start getting worse, so how do we handle the end of November or December? Cause it's gonna probably get worse, and if it gets worse, and now you have the rotator surgery.


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[Assistant] It's, it's all, it's all related. I mean, this isn't the pick on a Browns, this isn't a pick on anybody.


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[Assistant] Those are all related, okay, a micro tear does not go away, okay, by itself in a month, five weeks like that, so it's, uhm, the phrase that came out initially that


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[Assistant] He could do more structural damage if he continued to play. You remember the phrase. We always, we always got the phrase. Well, you can't do any more damage to yourself. Ah, you can go out there and keep hurting yourself because you won't do any, you can't get any worse. I mean, his shoulder essentially came out of socket.


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[Assistant] Yeah, big G, that's the point. And even as I was coming on today, and it's just kind of one of the first shows and people that I've kind of talked to about this and even talking to myself about, you know, what am I going to say? You know, what do you want to say about it?


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[Assistant] And, and talking some to, to Deshaun, you know, a little bit about it, uhm, is uhm, you want to be super positive. You know that. We all want to be positive and, and even me is like, you know, the late third quarter, early fourth quarter of my life and the stage of life I'm at.


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[Assistant] I really believe in the positiveness and spirituality of positive thinking and stuff, so.


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[Assistant] Saying you're gonna come back better than ever. Saying that after, you know, a half dozen years in the league, that it's going to be stronger.


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[Assistant] I wanna agree and I wanna buy in on that and then I'll hide from shaking your hands and anybody else's hands, knowing the long term ramifications. Not only what happens in your 40s, 50s and 60s, okay, which I'm approaching and stuff,


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[Assistant] But to your point, is it 5%, 10% deterioration? Right. In your ability to play next year?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and again, as much as I want to say, uhm, my skills never were deteriorating. The reality is we're all deteriorating and every day we are getting older. So I'm proud to be slowing down the aging process with some of this health and wellness.


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[Assistant] But from the arm standpoint, once that elbow, once that shoulder, once the rotator's compromised, the reality that is coming back


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[Assistant] Better than a hundred percent, with age, just, that's, this isn't- You'll have to defy odds to do it. Yea, this isn't Disney World right now.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I just stick in the DTR and that is first and foremost, I like everybody else probably yesterday was damn, the woe is me, what's happening, uhm, what's up with the season, uhm, type stuff and, and that's mainly because


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[Assistant] Before last week's game, the Baltimore Ravens were looked at as a Super Bowl team. They were playing as the elite and were playing at their place. We know the San Francisco 49ers were looked at as a Super Bowl team.


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[Assistant] And the Bangles have been there and they are too. And the Cleveland Browns have beaten all three of those teams. So, man, waking up. And we beat one of them with a backup quarterback. Right. So waking up Wednesday morning, you know, six and three, knowing you beat the three


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[Assistant] Three of the top teams, you know, KC's up there too, gotcha. With that, but knowing that we could compete. Super Bowl is, it wasn't crazy by us Browns fans, Monday and Tuesday morning.


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[Assistant] To be thinking that. When we saw that Wednesday, uhm, I think a lot of us all got the seasons over, and I'm still answering the DTR question, is uhm,


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[Assistant] The Super Bowl stuff and the Super Bowl champion stuff, you know, probably isn't the realistic dream right now, but with the healthy Deshaun and the way the team played Sunday, it would have been cool and not unrealistic for us to sit here and talk about that this Thursday.


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[Assistant] I don't think that part of it is realistic now, but I tell you, I'm not disappointed in seeing DTR, and I look forward to seeing him play Sunday.


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[Assistant] In person, love it, and love how we play in the preseason. Absolutely way, way different. They're getting sprung on them, and getting sprung on the coaches at 10.30 on Sunday morning.


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[Assistant] Play calling and, and execution, of course it was lacking that day. So, now having a week to understand how to do this.


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[Assistant] Look at it, we don't want to give the game plan away, but I mean, as Steelers, no, we don't want to give that game to them. Their, their offense is, is massively struggling, so. We handed the first game to them.


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[Assistant] Right, so let's not early. You know, get down 14-0 like we did against Baltimore. Deshaun's not here. Let's not do the 7 or 10-0.


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[Assistant] So we know, I basically, unless something happens with our defense, we know that the stealer offense isn't really going to kill you. They're not, they're not, and if they do, so be it, then it's going to be rough Sunday. Okay? But right now, we got to, every, the next man up, other positions have to really


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[Assistant] So I'm anticipating our defense is going to continue the woeful confidence of the stealer, the stealer offense. So shutting them down.


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[Assistant] And not letting, and them being shut down early. So in turn, not making that turnover early. Not making that mistake early for us so that


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[Assistant] We don't give them a 7-10-0 lead, and if they end up getting a 10 or 14-0 lead, they would have had to earn it offensively, not by a special team's mistake or an offensive turnover.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and here's the other thing from a game planning perspective, I'm gonna put my quarterback shoes on if I had athleticism like DTR.


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[Assistant] And then also kind of a hidden issue. It's just not a DTR issue. It's, hey, is Dewan Jones going to practice today? Is he out there? We still have the two tackle issues. So who plays tackles against?


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[Assistant] Uhm, Superman 1 and Superman 2, Heisman and Watt. So.


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[Assistant] I also anticipate, uhm, the interceptions and mistakes in the last game came off of drop-back throws. Okay, on first down and on second and three, uh, three to five.


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[Assistant] So I really anticipate our structure of play calling to be a little different in terms of of course running the ball. We say quick game, but quick game drop back and get you in trouble. I see like the play actually.


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[Assistant] Play action, bootleg. Let's, let's, let's simplify the reads. Let's threaten the run.


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[Assistant] Possibly RPO it, but let's, if we throw, when we throw, let's do nakeds and bootlegs, okay, where maybe it's half the field and or you could really orchestrate somewhat of, of some easier throws, some safer throws, and some protected throws.


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[Assistant] Exactly, you, you limit your chance of making the mistake and stuff. So, look it.


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[Assistant] We, to the quick, throw quick, throw quick, that's what all the offenses say against our Cleveland Brown defense. Okay, let's throw it real quick. Lamar Jackson's as good a QB as we got in the NFL. And look where that got him. Throwing a quick at the end of the game.


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[Assistant] D Lyman, don't rush, pull up, tip the ball, and uh, Greg Newsome gets his first pick on a three-step slant. Hey, we can't do that, uhm, with, with DTR this week.


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[Assistant] So I, it translates, a lot of times it doesn't necessarily translate to where it's meaningful and stuff.


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[Assistant] But this time I think it does. And I absolutely think it does in the spirit of this week's game in particular. Because we've been really blessed with amazing weather. Go outside today, enjoy it. It's awesome. It's warm. But even better than warm, there's no wind.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when you bring the wind into the equation, uhm, which we could be getting towards the end of the year. It's supposed to be windy Sunday. So that, that arm strength massively helps. And then if you implement that with kind of the bootleg in the outside game, you could really


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's actually as, uh, we were chuckling with the Brian Sype jokes earlier. You know, towards the end of, uh, his career, towards the end of my career, we're talking about the arm strength. The arm strength was dissipating and stuff. So,


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[Assistant] To end of the year, with the big wins and stuff, the throws were off and stuff, and that's where, again, we talked about it a few weeks ago, I was concerned with Deshaun, you know, being able to have the arm strength in those wins.


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[Assistant] If you're having a party, just go ahead and just give everybody you know an invitation. So that way, you can be off the hook. Cause you know everybody can't come, right? Everybody, like, and if everybody came...


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there was a bunch of people, like, look, look, everybody, people just showed up. And the cool thing about it, my wife, shout out to you, she made thousands of dishes, like, and labeled everything on the, everything in the buffet was labeled by her.


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[Assistant] And all credit to them for doing that. Listen, I watch video games now because I don't have time to play.


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[Assistant] Fighting games, uh, strategy games where, you know, they go around in teams and they see who can last longest in war type situations. And I realized the reason I watched those is because it gives me some insight into Kevin Stefanski's mind. I think this was one of the most masterful


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[Assistant] Jobs he has, he's done while he's here. And a lot of people don't really understand why when we get into it.


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[Assistant] He says, uh, you know, the oracle and the architect, they meet on the bench and the oracle's sitting there and the architect comes along and he says, you played a dangerous game, didn't you? She's like, yes I did play a dangerous game.


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[Assistant] You know, that drive is what those drives right there is what they pay quarterbacks for. You get paid millions of dollars, not before what you do in the first, second or third quarter. It's about the fourth quarter. And if you get the ball back,


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[Assistant] But, as I said before, as I teased in the open, this was part of the game plan. The game plan was, was to make sure that, that, uh, you know, DTR understood no turnovers. And the one turn we had, it hit somebody in the hands, popped up. That wasn't on him.


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[Assistant] Now, he said it in a post game. He said, look.


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[Assistant] I've put a lot of work in, I've done the work, I've done the film work, I've been meeting with AVP and Stefanski, and he said this, and I thought this was a big point for him, he said,


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[Assistant] If this was four or five weeks ago, six weeks ago.


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[Assistant] I would have tried to fit some balls in places where I had no business throwing it. Like I would have threw a couple of them and would have wanted those back and I would have thrown interceptions. But now I'm starting to see and recognize where and why coaches teaching me to do that.


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[Assistant] Did they look good yesterday? And Kevin Stefanski is doing something where, you know, from week to week.


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[Assistant] Team looks different, like the game plan is different.


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[Assistant] I really do. It's not even about the Kool-Aid. Like, you look at the third down conversions, I think the, the, the Steelers were like 3 of 12.


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[Assistant] He saved, he, they're doing things out of, out of sorts and out of wits. Uh, earlier in the show, we talked about them doing some different things. It's, it's funny that, that Kevin Stefanski actually was like, you know what? I'm going to plan for this thing to come down to the last play.


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[Assistant] I'm going to play to my defense and I'm going to say, okay, whoever has this ball last has the best chance of winning the football game. So he said in the second half, he's like, listen, we're not going to run anything to give them anything. I got in my back pocket about five plays.


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[Assistant] It's difficult to call defensive plays. It's a thing to call defensive plays when you're at 14.


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[Assistant] But when you up, when you're up three points, or you're down three points, or the game is tied, defensive coordinators lock up, and then they say, well it's a 50-50 proposition, I don't know if I want to play man coverage because it could be pass interference, so you're gonna get a little cushion. It's a natural cushion. And they took advantage of it. And he took advantage of them on their five plays.


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[Assistant] I've been challenging these fans for about a whole half a year.


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[Assistant] And from what I heard in the stadium, it was one of the loudest crowds that we've had in a very long time. I love you guys banging on the fences.


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[Assistant] But that, I mean, that was awful. You know what that's the signs of? That we've been there. That's a sign of somebody being like, we ain't got no quarterback.


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[Assistant] When you ain't got no quarterback, that's like having your water cut off at the house. You can live without all the other stuff. Gas, electricity. But you gotta have water for a lot of things. And he's sitting there, thirsty as hell, being like, we just lost.


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[Assistant] To the third string quarterback for the Browns who's a rookie. And we got our guy, our starting guy.


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[Assistant] Players like that do not expect to lose to guys that are third string quarterbacks, and that's what they felt they lost to.


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[Assistant] When you get Hayward back, Hayward is a dominant.


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[Assistant] I mean, this guy is supreme when it comes to stopping the run. Like, Hayward is a monster. Like, he's dominated for years and years and years. So, you know, when I saw what they was coming out of, they had two, three techniques and a nose.


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[Assistant] The difference between Schwartz and everybody else is, Schwartz don't care. The same defense you getting in, you gonna get it in the fourth quarter. That's why you can get somebody off the field in 14 seconds.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, I wouldn't sign it. Like if I was him, I'd bet on myself. And if he goes into the playoffs...


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[Assistant] And they get to the playoffs, what we see happen. He's gonna be coach of the year.


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[Assistant] I mean, those guys, there's no better job than what he's done. You take CJ Stradaway. They're not doing that.


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[Assistant] You'll spend money where it's not against the cap. Now, my, now the thing I'm, now the person you need to extend today is, is, is Jim Shortz.


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[Assistant] I'm stopping them, I'm sending them a turkey filled with cash. Alright? Right for Thanksgiving. Both of them, Jim Short should pay them.


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[Assistant] Everything is getting downsized. If I played again, I wasn't fast enough. I ran like a 4-8-1. That ain't fast. That's like, that's not killing them. I'll be, now listen, if I switch to play left tackle, we like that. You're athletic. You play basketball. Hey, you can block some of these guys. Now you got guys running 4-4s.


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[Assistant] But are they playing fewer plays in your mind? Yes, they're playing, they're playing fewer plays, and they're faster, and they're more in shape, and they got two or three waves of guys coming in. To me, the defensive line


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[Assistant] Is, is almost just as important as a quarterback. Because if, if the Browns are a team that doesn't have a great quarterback can prove that if


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[Assistant] I can get top-notch defensive pass rushers and I can win with those guys and have a medium quarterback. You'll see a lot of other teams doing that.


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[Assistant] Good. Okay. I think, I think we're downplaying this a little bit too much. The reason I like this move.


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[Assistant] And I think it's a home run. Uhm, it's because A, you get somebody that is going to be able to


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[Assistant] Accelerate the learning curve from, for DTR. He's gonna be able to tell him, this is what you're looking for in this conference. You're gonna be able to tell him how to break apart films and more importantly,


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[Assistant] I think the Cleveland Browns are telling you that this is the anti-punt move. Actually, they're going for this one. They're all in.


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[Assistant] Because they're saying, okay, if we got one quarterback to go out and get.


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[Assistant] In one game scenarios, if DTR gets you to the playoffs, or even it looks like they're gonna be in the playoffs, and DTR gets knocked out of that game, he's mobile, he's slight of a frame. He is tiny. He is little. For one game?


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco was a guy and you're just looking to hit lightning in a bottle. They want to get the Cardell Jones year. Uh, they want to get a guy, maybe Jeff Ostetler, something like that. But what they're trying to do is they're trying to just say, alright, we're going to take this room and we're going to take the combined


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[Assistant] There's value in keeping the team together. That's right. The only reason I say, the only reason I'll be apprehensive and only mark on his, on his resume is the fact that they punted last year. They just like, with no detackles.


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[Assistant] Defense gotta get teams off the field on third down. Like, for the play this, like, meager, minimal, marginal games.


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[Assistant] Goku is the, uh, quintessential, uh, you know, he's the main character of the show. He wins every fight. So I actually... That's got to be Miles Garrett. That's Miles Garrett, obviously. Vegeta is... Who in this team's Vegeta? Vegeta is the...


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[Assistant] He's got to be able to bounce now. Oh, currently, currently. Oh, yeaah, so he's playing for Goku now. So, but he's very powerful. He's the second powerful.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, I don't sleep very often, man. I be into, yeaah, I be into a bunch of stuff. That YouTube algorithm is a, you'd learn a lot about me if you got my search history. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, I got a weird family. Obliterated, that's what I'm talking about. Like, if you come over and you expect to be, like, if you come over and you expect to see, like, a regular run-of-the-mill people, like, I got an actor, um, there's, I got a cousin who has, like, uh, like, CIA level clearance.


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[Assistant] That's rarefied air right there, man. That's a, you know, for any sportscaster, you get that game ball, that's like, it's almost like getting a gold medal. Like, there's very few people walking the earth that can say they got that.


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[Assistant] Uh, it gets the Baltimore Ravens in a long play. Thornhill did? No.


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[Assistant] And your two free players, which was Greg Newsome and McLeod, both missed. You know, Greg Newsome came free, dove out his ankles.


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[Assistant] See, this is what happens when, see a lot of times people don't even read and even like watch the Browns games. Like they just gloss over it. So they've been running with the narrative that the Browns have been trash and you know they're dumpster fires and so now when we keep smoking people, see there's a big problem.


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[Assistant] Now you guys actually have to pay attention. Because you used to be able to deflect and say, I'm not tuning in to the Browns. I ain't doing talking about the Browns. Deshaun Watson this, Deshaun Watson that, Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Guess what? Deshaun Watson is not playing for us anymore. So now you're gonna actually have to watch what we do. And right now we've been smoking y'all. So now you gotta pay attention. Seven and three, eight and three, nine and three. If it continues on.


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[Assistant] We're going to continue to build momentum and do what we need to do because at the end of the day, the browser is showing teams that we're not just about the quarterback. We went in a lot of different ways and to be honest with you.


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[Assistant] We got the most dominant defense in the game. And guess what? That travels. Run game travels. Special teams travel. All of that stuff travels. And I would never want to play the Cleveland Browns. And the media knows everyone around the league.


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[Assistant] If I was getting ready for the playoffs, I would avoid the Cleveland Browns at all costs.


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[Assistant] And there's some of Mahomes fatigue. He didn't wanted a pretty, like, knock out. No, that's a real thing.


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[Assistant] Don't get it twisted. They, they, they drafted him. When you draft somebody, that's your man. That's your man.


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[Assistant] Anybody, anybody that was upset at the trade deadline yesterday, shame on you because I sat here and I told you that they're not going to make a trade for quarterback because they feel


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[Assistant] That they can get through what they need to get through until Deshaun comes back. Obviously, Deshaun must be feeling a little bit better and they must think that they're closer to it because if they didn't and it was a panic, they would have done so. And I also believe


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[Assistant] That my boy G. Bush sat up here maybe a couple weeks ago.


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[Assistant] And he got the feeling that maybe, just maybe.


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[Assistant] Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry might get a pass for this year. Because if they, if they, they must know something. Because if they did it, if they thought that their jobs was on the line this year, it would have been a panic. They would have been like, we gotta get somebody in here because we don't know what's gonna happen with Deshawn. Even if Deshawn comes back next week, we still gotta get through this game and we still want that insurance policy. But I believe


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[Assistant] And something must have been said to them because that was the most passive way, especially in the, in the fact that your quarterback isn't great, but to be passive about it at the trade deadline, you must know you good for at least another year. That's what I think. What y'all think? Gee Bush, we haven't heard from you since Friday, Sunday actually.


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[Assistant] Well, gee, gee, another thing is, you know they got like 34 million dollars in cap, and they trying to roll over that money.


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[Assistant] And I think that a lot of the times we, we think, this is what I'm saying. This is how I know that there's gotta be something about another year because


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[Assistant] If I, if it's my life, I don't care about rolling 34 million over, that's not my problem if I'm getting fired. I'm trying to make sure I secure my job, but I think that in a strategic way, they're thinking about guys that they want to be able to afford next year, or guys that they want to be able to keep, and if they can't roll over all of that 34 million dollars,


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[Assistant] And I think they're trying to play the long-term game here and think that PJ Walker is


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[Assistant] Excuse, somebody corrected me. He's one in one as a starter, but two in one as a Browns player. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I think they feel like just what he was doing as far as him going down, going to St. Seattle, being down 14 points and bringing the team back, I think they really feel like they can grow off of that. And they really feel like the locker room is behind this kid. So I think that's why they feel like they're comfortable, at least through Arizona.


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[Assistant] And they're praying that Lamar, I mean not Lamar, that Deshaun comes back next week.


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[Assistant] I feel like, I hear what you saying, and organizationally, I see what you saying. But you've been in a locker room.


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[Assistant] You will respect a God that you see every day that's working his butt off.


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[Assistant] And he's doing all the extra things. And even in the moment of defeat, he still is fighting to try to bring this team back. You can respect that as a player. You'll get behind it. So I think that's what, as a player,


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[Assistant] Like, I think you, they've grown accustomed to like, listen man, he might not be the greatest thing ever, but this dude work hard, he bust his butt.


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[Assistant] And he can, he does have the ability to make some plays. He gotta clean up certain things, but I see this young dude working, and I can get behind it. I can respect that as a player. So I think from a player, locker room standpoint, I don't think they're all the way upset about it. But from an organization, if you looking like Big Pitcher,


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[Assistant] Like yeaah, you want one of the best quarterbacks, you want a quarterback to come in here that everybody can, who can make all of the throws, but,


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, you gotta go with what you got right now. And right now, the only thing they know is PJ Walker and DTR, who they've been with this entire season, so they've built that bond with him. Because that's it, that's their guy now. I know because I listen to the post-game interviews.


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[Assistant] Okay, so that's the part right there that I like the most. I mean, think about that. It's...


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[Assistant] All as, as a backup right now, even if between DTR and PJ Walker, the team, the defense has been doing so well, except for the last two minutes of the game, been doing so well that if you just don't turn the ball over, right, that is, it will really help out a lot.


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[Assistant] But I think, the one thing, and it's gonna sound crazy to say because...


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[Assistant] It shouldn't be this way, but I think that the Browns organization is young too. I think like the people upstairs is young and they're learning as this thing goes on. They think that they can make shortcuts to it.


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[Assistant] And they finding out that you can't. Like last year, we sat here and said,


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[Assistant] Where is it started? The craziest thing about all of this?


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[Assistant] Is that the receiving corps this last year


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[Assistant] It's essentially, the main two guys, main three guys is still Amare, DPJ, it was DPJ.


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[Assistant] That's true, but we have 5 total passing touchdowns on this season. He had 12.


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[Assistant] The picks don't do y'all, obviously the picks they never really did a lot for us. So the picks, we all over the picks.


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[Assistant] At this point, we know y'all not, I don't know why y'all value picks all this time, unless you gonna package them picks and get players for them, like trade for players. But if you're actually gonna take those picks and draft, like that's where the problem lies, because y'all...


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[Assistant] Huge pick. Bull hates the whole thing. Uhm, I personally think the bronze did him a solid.


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[Assistant] You know how this thing is, strategically I gotta put him out there because if he makes some plays that's good cause now his stock goes up and I can trade it.


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[Assistant] To say they're not any worse, nobody said they're significantly worse, but they're slightly worse. Cedric, Cedric Tillman has been inactive for two weeks. Well what does that say about him? Listen, hold on, listen. Cedric Tillman been inactive for two weeks. Him and DPJ's production has been the exact same in two weeks. Alright. What was the difference?


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[Assistant] But here's the thing. So your best two is through, so if you know that I can't draft for nothing, and I can trade for something, wouldn't you want to get more trade?


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[Assistant] Who thought that, who was our, who was our, uh, OC at the time, quarterbacks coach when that was taking place? Don't remember.


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[Assistant] That's not what I be seeing. I take Emerson. Emerson going up against number one receivers and shutting them down. I give him Emerson, but what I'm saying. Woollin, now I will say Woollin does get his hand on the ball. Yes. Not this season, but last season he did.


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[Assistant] Listen, outside, outside of after the third round, it's really a crap shoot. Sure. So, we don't, don't, don't act like, just cause you can go point to an example. You can't point, you can't go through 32 teams, or 31 other teams and be like, that 4th through 7th round pick hit for all of these teams. That's not the case.


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[Assistant] I mean that's the key. The best time to do it is get the quarterback on the rookie deal and then you can go out and do everything else.


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[Assistant] Giving up two or three yards on the run. What I'm going to do is I'm going to drop back in my hook drop and I'm going to play this dig that he loves to run.


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[Assistant] No, what you know is this. You know at the end of the season that PJ Walker is probably gone. But you are going to keep DTR for at least the next 2 or 3 years and I need to find out if he's good enough to stay as a backup or do I really truly do need to go out and get a veteran quarterback as a backup. That's what you


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[Assistant] But, but, there's something about this. Kyle Shanahan was his OC. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] So, you send this to Jay Crawford and tell him about Brock Purdy.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. No, cause Kavis Tafanski is the OC. We talking about president.


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[Assistant] Listen, Brady, listen, I love your sister, Laura. Shout out, go boss. Love your sister, Laura.


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[Assistant] My sister, what? She's, uh, she's married to A.J. Hawke. And I see him every February. And like they have a party and what not. Anyways, love your sister, but yea, no, I'm taking PJ.


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[Assistant] Charlie Frye. Oh my god, Charlie Frye.


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[Assistant] I said when he was a rookie with the Colts, I was with the Colts for that training camp in the preseason. Did you get to know him at all? I talked to him a couple of times, but you know, offensive defense lived in two different worlds. Nice guy. Yea, he was a really cool guy, really cool guy. I really liked it. Tyverson played for half the league. I did. No, no, no, I played for a third of the league.


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[Assistant] He do be skiffy. He look like Deshaun last year off the six game suspension.


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[Assistant] Uh, obviously it's going to be a very simple game plan. It's a rookie quarterback. You don't want to overwhelm them. So you're going to throw some stuff in there to throw some wrinkles in there. Obviously they're going to do it because they seen the Ravens and the Colts do it and it hurt the Browns when they did it. So obviously you put it in your game plan, especially if you've got a quarterback that's willing and able to do that.


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[Assistant] But I don't think it's going to be a huge part, but how you stop that is that you have to have your defensive end, because usually when they do this, they let the tackle go up and they read off of the defensive end. If the defensive end crashed down, you pull it and you run. If he comes and attacks the quarterback, he gives it.


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[Assistant] So in this situation, how you do it is, you got the, the defensive end has to come down the line, put his hand on the tackle like that and he got to stand there and read it.


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[Assistant] You got my fine? I got that. Oh, it's happening here. It's on. Like, that's the number, that's the number one thing. You go, you pay my fine? For sure. I got you.


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[Assistant] Because. You know you can't touch the quarterback like that. You blast that quarterback like that. We, I thought he had the ball. Well, that's 15 yards in an automatic first down. So not only are you hurting, you're hurting the defense as well. I'm cool with that. I'm cool with that. Especially if you had, just so happened, let's, if we know you gonna do that, let's do it on third and 20.


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[Assistant] Marquis Brown. He scares you? Speed. Speed always scares you. Alright. You line up against Marquis Goodwin, you wouldn't be scared?


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[Assistant] Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie.


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[Assistant] There, you know, I was, we was sitting here talking about, you know, Arizona's defense. And it seemed like y'all got rid of a lot of good guys. Like y'all got rid of Murphy, uhm.


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[Assistant] Last year y'all traded the, the, the, the corner, or not the corner, the linebacker slash safety to the Giants.


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[Assistant] Yes, Simmons, Isaiah Simmons. Who is the impactful guys on the defense now and who gives the Browns a real threat and the Browns should be worried about?


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[Assistant] Uh, well I think after Nick Chubb went down it was all based on how Deshaun Watson was going to be in this season and if he's not going to be there or he's not going to play at a winning level.


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[Assistant] I don't really see it. I mean, I know they've been doing it the last couple of weeks with PJ Walker. Uhm, if Deshawn, maybe if Deshawn doesn't turn the ball over, they win maybe. But, if he's not throwing touchdowns, like the way that they've been winning is not a recipe to not. That's gonna help you. It's hard to sustain the way you're winning. So, I doubt it.


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[Assistant] That guy's, that guy hits more field goals and he saved a lot of games and to me I think that that's something that's going to consistently be there. I think they finally got hit there.


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[Assistant] That was it. I don't know why I was thinking it was the Browns game. I'll say that I know because of everything G. Bush said, he talked me into it.


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[Assistant] Because Hunter got 10 sacks on the season. Who that's? Daniel Hunter. Yeah. Yep.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying, so how are we judging it? Well, look, so...


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[Assistant] Come on, Jimmy, you got the money, pay the man. You know what, I'm-


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[Assistant] All biases aside, I think he is a good head coach because I just think that just giving off of this season alone.


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[Assistant] The things that he's overcome with the injuries and all of the off the field stuff.


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[Assistant] To still have his team locked in on Sundays and still able to perform in the way that they're performing. That's a sign to me of a good head coach. You go down 14-0 and your team still fights and comes back and y'all was winning 20-17 in Seattle in a hostile place. I think that's a sign of a good coach. So I'm gonna say I think.


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[Assistant] Why would you give me this? I know why you gave me this question and that's what makes it even funnier. You know what?


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[Assistant] I know. I stood up for, I stood up to bang the table for this guy. So listen, you ain't gonna let me down. I know at some point.


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[Assistant] That's what I ran. Me and Jerome forced the same speed.


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[Assistant] Like that, that's something that you can't, cause a lot of runbacks get the ball, they tell you to go through the C gap, he gonna try to press the C gap. But this dude got the ball, seen it, it was like boom, cut back, cut back, like boom, boom, boom, and cut all the way back. He even did it in the Seahawks game last week. I think it was his first or second carry, he cut it back, and I'm like, that's a great read by him.


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[Assistant] Cause I ain't naming no dinosaur, I'ma just tell you that right now. The only one I know is the T-Rex. Why would you do that?


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[Assistant] Don't give them, don't give her the satisfaction. Are you sick again? I'm not sick! I've been having this lingering cough for like a month now. But I'm not sick, I just cough.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just for a minute because I thought we talked about it briefly the other day and I did a podcast about it, but just a couple of quick things.


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[Assistant] Because I've spoken to some more people over the last couple of days and heard some more interviews with some of his former teammates. And that information combined really makes me high on this move. Whenever you hire a new manager, you never know if it's going to work out, especially if it's a guy with no managerial experience. Steven Volt might turn out to be a terrible manager and get fired in three years. We have no idea.


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[Assistant] But, uh, everything I've heard about this guy, both on a one-on-one from people texting me, and in interviews, I just recently heard an interview with Mark Kanna, who's just got traded to the Tigers, and was a teammate of his. I mean, it's through the roof. Everybody says this guy's been, like, waiting to do this for his entire playing career.


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[Assistant] And I just, one other thing I wanted to throw out, because I think the Guardians would benefit.


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[Assistant] From a veteran experience coach to be his bench coach? And as far as I know, there's been no talk yet about his coaching staff, unless anybody can correct me on that, but I haven't heard anything about his coaching staff. Have you guys?