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[Assistant] He's just a regular receiver. Elijah Moore is a short target, a small target. You know, you gotta put the ball directly on him. We saw times where Deshaun Watson threw him the ball and Elijah Moore could not get his feet in because he doesn't have a big catch radius. So when you take into consideration those two things,


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[Assistant] They just don't have, no disrespect, but the Jets, they, there's a reason why they was like, I don't mean to give you no money. We, we, we got a Christian, we got, uh, Gary Wilson.


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[Assistant] 2020, it was a bunch of pre-step motion, especially with the tight ends. I thought that year they went to the playoffs, they used motion as creative as any team in the league, moving pieces and parts. It looked like they got away from him a little bit, but he was previously doing some of those things back then. Yes, absolutely.


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[Assistant] You know why? Cause you know, I was screaming from the top of the hills. You might get you a veteran quarterback and you see how quickly they switch that up.


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[Assistant] Dang, you have no time for quarterbacks to be figuring it out on the job training. This is not the job corps, peace corps, whatever, this is not an internship. Cleveland Browns got a defense over there that is a top 3-5 defense with guys over there that are trying to get to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] So when they came out, that was a stopgap right there, like, oh, Deshaun ain't turning the plan. We need somebody that can at least make the regular reads, at least understand up.


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[Assistant] It's a cover, too. They try to run and cover one robber on me. I already know what it was. I ran the defense. Or at least, he'll be decisive and definitive. DTR can use this like they send plays, but DTR would be hesitating, running options. Is that like PJ's a seasoned vet?


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[Assistant] You come back this year, he, you, you mismanage. One coach says, uh, he was cleared to play. The GM comes back the next week and says, I guarantee he's going to play. And then you get rid of the backup in Josh Dobbs, send him somewhere for a fifth round pick, like fifth round pitch couch or something.


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[Assistant] So, if you look at this, they're in trouble. They're in real trouble. And I said it a week ago, uhm, this injury has always been bigger than what it was.


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[Assistant] It could be Ceasar. This over. If it tears. He's looking at these dudes like, you set me up.


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[Assistant] Yesterday. Excuse me, yesterday. Yeah. And on top of this, you got PJ Walker of DTR. On top of that, your coach won't put him in any positions to give him any decent, easy throws. It's all five wide and advanced stuff. And then we talked to Mary Kay, and Mary Kay says, well look,


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[Assistant] We're just stuck with Jed Wills, cause his fifth year is already guaranteed.


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[Assistant] He promised you, he came into the season, and I keep saying it, I done watched all these games, he came into the season, I cross-referenced what they were running this year to what they were running last year, there was nothing new.


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[Assistant] There's nothing but the trick plays. I go ask other people who watch the film. I said, Jake Burns, you see anything? No, I don't see nothing. I go talk to other people. They're like, bro, it's not, you touted this playbook and it's just reverses to Elijah Miller. How dumb do you think we are?


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[Assistant] This ain't, like, I can, I know, I, listen, I've lied to myself a lot of years being a Browns fan.


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[Assistant] When we talk about receivers, we always talk about we don't need those guys. We can't have, listen, just, you like names. I like production. DPJ got like 12 yards or something. 75.


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[Assistant] Weeks to get the new DTR to play. No.


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[Assistant] And guess what? When they didn't play him, you know what he said? I sat on my hands and didn't do anything. I punted on that too.


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[Assistant] The NFL is a speculation game like stocks and bonds. Yeaah, your stock price was this before this happened? Before the regulations came down? When the regulations came down, it was this? I think I'm selling.


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[Assistant] Listen, I'll take, I'll take Airbnb into me today. Give me that.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying, like as far as offensive minds, I'll take him.


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[Assistant] People that have gone to championship games, people that like, I can't say Brock Purdy is garbage. I can't say Jimmy G is not good. I can't say that, that, that golf isn't good. These guys have been on the highest stage in Super Bowls.


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[Assistant] Sometimes I think when we hear, we be diminishing people to make ourselves feel better. Like, I can't say that these guys ain't no good. Well in fairness though, you were down, you guys were, especially Eugene, were downgrading Purdy yesterday. No, no, I didn't say, I'm saying that when you talk about talent and skill set,


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[Assistant] I'm not saying that he's not like a guy that is a decent dude, but I'm just saying I don't think he's better skill for skill than Deshaun Watson. I also was saying more involved with that with Shanahan because Garoppolo looked the same way. My thing is this.


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[Assistant] Listen, I'll put it to you like this. This is a thought process. I can't, I can't come to y'all's house and I got an apartment and be like, hey man, why don't you throw a fence up back there?


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[Assistant] You're like, bro, what you mean? It's a little more involved in, like, you gotta get you some calls, call the city, can you put that up? And I'm over here. And now you know. And now I know. Like, now, right now I'm like, yeaah. So my thing is, these dudes have been here at the highest level. They playing, going to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] All guys have not done that. So I can't sit here and say, oh, this guy ain't that good. He ain't that good when I just want my dudes to play. I just try to get them on the field.


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[Assistant] Interesting. Shout out, Logan, first of all, shout out, I met you at the, uh, high school hall of fame. Congratulations on your, um, and, um, but I really wanted to ask is, you know, sometimes from, from your perspective of an offensive lineman,


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[Assistant] What effect does it have if the coach moves away from the running game too quickly? Especially if you got a rookie quarterback. Can you talk about how establishing the run, and sometimes you're not going to have 8 yards or 10 yards, but just establishing the run kind of slows down the pass rush. What are your thoughts on that?


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[Assistant] That's an idea. This is the way it works. No, no, this is the way it works. I think you're misreading what he's saying. Communication one-on-one. That's right. Communication one-on-one is you take any doubt, anything out of it. You say, listen, Wednesday coming on, DCR, let me talk to you right quick. Sean has something with his shoulder.


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[Assistant] The playbook looks like it's Deshaun Watson, they come out in the locker room and everyone says they changed no plays. It's a pop quiz. They changed no plays. Right. So that's one, that's one burning fire. The other burning fire is the guy who, who he put out there says, I had no idea until 1030 that I was going to be playing.


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[Assistant] Man, one time I was in, you know, working with corporate American typhus, they said, listen, I sent an email, and I actually sent an email to the wrong person. And they called me in the office and was like, listen, uhm,


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[Assistant] I just, I just had, I sent an email to like one of the executives and it was the wrong, the wrong executive group. And they were like, listen, you don't wanna, you don't wanna have a messaging issue because now people are gonna look for to see if this is a pattern.


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[Assistant] That thing came back to roost again because there was times where I had to send something to somebody and I sent it to another person on my accident. And they said, remember what I saw you just fa-


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[Assistant] Finish the story really quickly. When you look at this situation, this is all about messaging.


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[Assistant] When your subordinates come out and say different things like that, that means they're unsure of what's going on, how you're moving with it. You put that on top of deep, I don't know who's throwing me the football. Messaging is important. It's just not the X's and O's.


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[Assistant] Yes, you want to know, and messaging is huge because you don't want to put it in a situation where now you putting it's Deshaun Watson versus everybody else. Now you start to see, I looked on the thing, Hanford Disney says, hey,


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[Assistant] In the locker rooms, with good locker rooms, bad locker rooms, all over the spectrum.


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[Assistant] Is, is this a, you know, I ain't been in there, we ain't been in there. Is, is this an issue, moving forward, or, or is it just nothing? We making a bunch out of nothing. Talk about the Deshaun Watson stuff. Yea, is this nothing?


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[Assistant] If, if, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going at your character and I know, I know how you


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna go as ballistic. I don't know if anyone here, you might be in, you might be, you might be looking for G. Bush. Cause G would go crazy on the third and three, but I don't know if anyone here is going to.


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[Assistant] J would have for sure. J would have lost his mind. J and G would lose their mind over that play call. I'll tell you why as we get into it. I'm not as hot and bothered by it. Uh, but it's, it's disappointing for sure, but nobody thought they were going to win that game. And the fact that they were as competitive as they were, you know, we talked about it. It's your four and three.


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[Assistant] Winning the Colts game, beating the 49ers allowed you to not necessarily have to have that one. Now you come home against a Cardinals team you should beat. So, it stinks, but not every loss is the end of the world. I'm sorry. Like, you don't have to fire the coach every time you lose the game.


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[Assistant] Well it wasn't analytics, I just, well first of all, before I do that, here's the thing that I think, this is why I think it's low-hanging fruit to go after that play. They had a third and three, three plays earlier and threw it, and nobody said a word. Like nobody's going crazy over that, it was third and three.


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[Assistant] But the clock's gonna stop at the two minute. That's true. And that's why, I mean, Darryl Johnson said on the broadcast, I didn't go to Seattle, it's one of the few games I'll miss, I didn't want to fly that far.


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[Assistant] He said on the broadcast, the whole playbook is open here. That's right. Because you're going to the two minute warning. Now, if you really hate to play a call, I'm gonna give you data to support it.


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[Assistant] I went back since the start of 2020 and looked at run versus pass, converting third and three, specifically third and three. And I could put in all kinds of ramifications about


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[Assistant] The score and where you're positioned on the field, but I try to keep it simple. Third and three in the NFL since 2020 when Kevin got here, if you run it, you're converting 58% of the time. Passing is 49% of the time. But the Browns, since Kevin got here, are converting 57% of the time when they're throwing it on third and exactly three.


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[Assistant] I have it, uh, give me a second and I'll look. Yeah. I think they're really close. They're really close to the league average. Yes. But all of those runs were with Nick Chubb. The vast majority of those you would think on 33. Right, but the passes weren't with, even though the Browns haven't


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[Assistant] They didn't have good quarterback play, they didn't have it this bad. PJ's terrible.


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[Assistant] I look at it as like, for whatever reason, he was locked in on Amari. He was going to Amari from the snap. So he didn't give the play a chance to develop.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he could have seen him even if he did. Because Jerome Ford was wide open in the middle of the field, but Petonio was blocking his view. So I don't even know. He would have had to, he would have had to hold the ball and wait for it to develop. And he didn't do that. From the jump, he was going to Amari. If it, I mean the odds of it hitting a guy's helmet are one in a million. It may have been picked even if it didn't hit his helmet, because Amari was covered. The other guys weren't. So I, it,


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[Assistant] I just think if you're gonna complain about that one play call, I don't understand why people aren't more hostile about the third and three when they threw it three plays earlier. It was three plays earlier and they threw it then on third and three and nobody


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[Assistant] Uh, real quick to answer your question. On running, the Browns are right around the league average. So they're right at 59%. League average is 58%. So they're real close. So the Browns are even on 3rd and 3rd. Even on 3rd and 3rd when running. They're way above on 3rd and 3rd when throwing. So I still think the smart play there


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[Assistant] And it's funny, if they don't get it, and I don't know who you trust in that spot, I know everyone's gonna scream Kareem Hunt because everyone thinks Kareem's great and I get it, whatever. I don't. I don't either. I don't think he's as bad as you.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, I mean, most of them have been around the goal line, but one he had the long run that I remember, it was the great play call and they sped it out to him. It was the pit one. Yeaah. And others have been around the goal line, but whatever. If Kareem Hunt was from Poughkeepsie and went to Ball State, nobody gives a shit about him.


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[Assistant] But it's because he's from here, like, that's the whole thing, fine, whatever. But if they didn't get it, I betcha they'd go for it.


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[Assistant] I bet you he goes for it on fourth down. If it's fourth and one, if they run it and don't get it, and then people would really lose their minds. But Kevin is playing to win the game every time. He wants to win the game.


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[Assistant] And, and the, the Seahawks just cut right through them after the turnover. So who's to say that they don't pun it and the same thing happens? That's right. Cause


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[Assistant] Three turnovers. Three turnovers. Awful. He is awful, awful.


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[Assistant] It may not be the terrible thing that they lost because they shouldn't be, continue to be rewarded for this terrible, running this terrible quarterback play out and winning these games. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Like against San Francisco, played terrible, won the game.


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[Assistant] Against Indianapolis, played terrible, won the game. At some point, you need to be held accountable for the decisions that you make as the quarterbacks that you run out there.


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[Assistant] Kobe Brissette had his best year under him. He gets the best out of whatever you give him. He's going to ring out the very best except for Sean. It hasn't worked out yet. But with all these other guys who have been just average middle tier quarterbacks, Kevin gets the best out of them.


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[Assistant] Seven turnovers in the fourth quarter. Leads the league. I was trying to run something real quick before the show and I couldn't get it to work, but according to our data, seven turnovers in the fourth quarter tied with, I think, the Bears for the most in the NFL for fourth quarter turnovers.


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[Assistant] At best. And that, I mean, you know, we could sit here, they should be, I could make an easy argument that they'd be five and two, I could make an easy argument they'd be two and five. So four and three is probably about what they should be.


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[Assistant] But he doesn't know the system, and how long is it going to take him to get up to speed? He's a veteran quarterback. He played, he's played a game this year. He's not going to play Sunday. Jacobi Berset, you can train for him today, and he plays Sunday.


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[Assistant] Sure, yeaah, they should. But, and it comes back to Deshaun.


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[Assistant] An extended period of time and you can fill in the blank on what that number is. It doesn't matter. You're screwed. We said it all summer long.


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[Assistant] And I feel like we're trying to move the go post on and out. Everybody said it all summer. If Deshawn goes down, it's over. Well guess what? Deshawn went down.


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[Assistant] And now, it, it's this, it's this ambiguous injury of no one really knows when he's gonna be back, so you're trying to hold the boat together until he comes back, and then you hope that he plays like he did against Tennessee, and not in all the other games before it when he does, it's a really difficult spot to be in. So the only reason to, to me that you don't make a trade is because you just feel like,


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[Assistant] Deshawn's gonna be out a really long time and it doesn't matter because I said it last week, if you're trading for Chikobi Percet, it's to address the wound. You're not trying to, you're not trying to amputate an arm and attach a new one. You're just trying to get through the next couple of, it's tree outs for the next couple of weeks.


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[Assistant] Well, and they, and Pam Oliver said before the game, that hasn't been ruled out. That was news to me. Because that had never really been discussed before.


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[Assistant] Once you shut him down again, that's when you say, okay, we have to go do better than this. It's not, you can fumble through one or two weeks with PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] And it goes, it's sort of like the argument I made with Garoppolo last year. You can fumble through four or five games at Jacoby Brissette, but when you're talking about 11, you better go do better than that.


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[Assistant] Well, you can fumble through one or two games with PJ Walker, but if you're talking four or five or six, you better go do better than that. And that Jacoby is that to me is that sweet spot of four or five, six games, anything more than that. And you're really exposing yourself.


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[Assistant] Well, either Washington doesn't want to play ball, which is unfair to Jacoby because it's an opportunity for him to go start. Right. And I doubt that's the case. Or they're asking too much. I mean, this is a backup quarterback that hadn't thrown a meaningful pass all year. I don't see how the price could be anything higher than what the Browns got for Dobbs, that fifth round pick.


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[Assistant] Okay. They don't have a four. That's part of the problem. They lost their four to the Deshawn trade. So that's where maybe things get a little bit sticky. But, and every dollar counts. We've talked about it with the cap and with the rollover and everything. And it's not about Jimmy spending money. It has nothing to do with that. It's about trying to fit everything under the cap next year and the year after.


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[Assistant] Agreed. Every dollar counts, but percent at this point is probably around a million and a half or so. But also you have really limited resources here in what you can do in trade and with cap and everything else. And if they've identified another spot that they think is more critical, I don't know what could be more critical in the quarterback.


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[Assistant] But I'm just saying, like, you know, we, I think Diana Racini from, from our place said last week they were going to look at a receiver. Okay, well I still, I stand by what I said last week. I don't know how you can evaluate this receiver group when you've got these guys throwing to them that they have thrown to them.


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[Assistant] Jason? Here's why I stick with PJ even though we just got done.


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[Assistant] Just lambasting the poor man. You can't, you can't keep this conga line at quarterback.


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[Assistant] And, okay, so you want to play DTR against the Cardinals, fine. Well then you're going on the road to Baltimore. That just absolutely dismantled DTR the last time he was out there. So you really want to put him back in that environment. I would like to see him get another shot. If Deshawn's really going to be out for an extended period of time, I would like to see Dorian get another chance at this.


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[Assistant] And Arizona makes sense, but then what are you going to do? Then you're going to stick with him in a Lions den in Baltimore? I would if he played, you know, I mean, you got to try something. Yes. I can't keep this guy. But, but they're one bad throw away from winning again.


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[Assistant] But you also, you have, if you still believe Dorian is your long-term investment as a backup,


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[Assistant] His first experience was awful, and I think you want to set him up for success, and Arizona does sound like setting him up for success, but then you've got Baltimore and Pittsburgh, and those are games you've gotta have. You've gotta have those games.


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[Assistant] I think I would still stick with PJ because this looks like a, this is a win on the schedule, right? Like if you see a dollar on the ground, bend over and pick it up.


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[Assistant] And if PJ Walker can beat the Niners and he can beat the Colts despite playing as terrible as he does, I would rather just bend over and pick up the dollar. If I know Deshawn's coming back against Baltimore,


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[Assistant] Just bend over and pick up the dollar. Don't try and get cute. And if, if it's a wreck with Dorian again, if he's a disaster again and you go, gotta, gotta go back to PJ. Like the practice reps are really, really important. And I try to make that point last week.


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[Assistant] And we saw it. Like PJ, he wasn't good yesterday, but he was better than he was the week before. Why? Well, he had all the practice reps last week. And now if you keep stacking those practice reps and you give them those starters practice reps again this week,


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[Assistant] Now, you know, if you want to throw Dorian in there, now you're starting him off with just one week of practice reps. At least with PJ, you're building consistency with practice reps. You're giving him the same looks. You're giving him the opportunity to build on the week before and the week before.


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[Assistant] Neither situation is ideal by any means. And I know I'm kinda talking out both sides of my mouth because I do want to get another look at Dorian Thompson Robinson. I want to see what he's got.


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[Assistant] But with, you're trying to make the playoffs right now, and there's jobs on the line, and you got two huge games looming after this one, and I don't know that anyone can say with any sort of certainty right now when Deshawn's gonna be back.


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[Assistant] To me, I'm not firing Stavansky. I mean, he lost Jack Conklin, he lost Nick Chubb, he lost his quarterback and they're four and three. I mean, what else do you want from them? That's right. Now listen, other teams are dealing with injuries too. Sure, but those are franchise pillar, well, not Conklin, but Nick Chubb and Deshaun Watson is your entire offense.


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[Assistant] Well, if they don't get anyone, and they miss the playoffs, maybe we have that conversation. But I just go back, it really comes down to...


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[Assistant] None of it has made sense. None of it has made sense. Go back to the very beginning. He says he's gonna play. He says all week he's gonna play. Everyone thinks he's gonna play. He doesn't play. And then he comes back and it looks like he's throwing a medicine ball in the game against the Colts. Clearly wasn't ready to play.


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[Assistant] So none of the messaging is lined up. None of this is really making sense. And that's only adding to sort of the haze over the whole thing.


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[Assistant] But again, we said it all summer, if Deshaun goes down, the season goes down. Well, that's what's happened. And they're still somehow holding this together. They're still holding this thing together. But we said all summer long, if the quarterback goes down, the season goes down. And the quarterback went down.


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[Assistant] But here's, I guess, one that we haven't discussed. Why you go make a move at quarterback. And I talked about this with the running backs. The players, right? Absolutely. Yes. You got a locker room full of veterans and they're looking at you like, what are you going to do about this? Yes. And there are a lot of guys that


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[Assistant] I think you could lose these guys if you don't do anything. And that is a real concern that I think that they need to consider and discuss.


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[Assistant] Not specifically, and I don't know, even off the record, I don't know that they would really go there. Okay. Because I think that they- But they all loved Jacoby. Oh they did, yea, they did. They would love- But they, they loved him. But they know who he is. But they know his limitations. Right, but they know he's better than BJ Walker. Yes, and he probably gives them a better chance to win.


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[Assistant] And they're going to hold them up for a higher pick. Which is why I reached out to Diana and said, Hey, check with Washington and see if they've even made the call. And Diana got back to me within five minutes. She said, I'd already checked and they hadn't made the call. Now that was as of.


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[Assistant] Last Wednesday. Things could change. It all takes us five minutes for that to change.


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[Assistant] I pulled up a couple scatter charts over the weekend. Yeaah. Uhm, where they were real close to league average.


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[Assistant] I mean, if we have to pick, I'd take a quarterback over a running back. You know, again, they have limited assets in terms of what they can really do here.


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[Assistant] I think we're seeing how the rest of the world lives, right? Like, we lost the trust fund in New Chubb. Right. And you're no longer living in the high rent district. Now you're scraping to pay your bills every month now and this is how a lot of the teams do it.


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[Assistant] You know, Jerome Ford gets a few carries. Pierre Strong. They hit him with Cream Hunt on third and one. And they're just trying to do enough to keep their head above the water. And that's probably how it's going to be the rest of the year. I would, you know, we were talking about the trade scenarios earlier. I love the Saquon Barkley idea.


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[Assistant] Uh, that Mike came up with. But they have more press- They ran it like 40 times yesterday. Well, they're gonna run the wheels off them. They're showcasing them.


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[Assistant] Especially on an offense that needs playmakers right now, right? Like, this offense is desperate for playmakers.


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[Assistant] What did you think of Pierre Strong? I really like what I saw. I want to see more. Yeaah. I'm not going to declare him as the answer. Certainly not. But there's enough there to say, alright, let's give him some more carries to see. Yeaah. And when you talk about the success of the run game,


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[Assistant] You know, you've got two guards that are pretty good run blocking guards. And, uh, Dewan Jones is a little leaky at tackle on the run. He's much better as a pass protector than he is against the run. But right up the middle, you know, between the center and two guards, you've got some pretty good run blocking there. So, you know, it makes sense that they could keep this thing going and keep it afloat. And they have.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've been disappointed with Jerome Ford. I thought there would be more there than what we've seen. We've seen a little bit of a home run ability. He's broken off a couple of long runs, but outside of that, he looks like just a guy.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I hear what you're saying and I tend to agree with it but I also see his side of it.


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[Assistant] Man, give me a chance to help you, because he didn't play the fourth quarter against the Colts either until the, until the goal line run.


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[Assistant] He's being honest. You were on the street two months ago. Like...


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[Assistant] And it's not good for the team. And I wasn't in the locker room. I was not on the trip. I was not in Seattle. But I know those guys well enough to do it. I'm sure there's a lot of frustrated guys saying, man, run the ball. Why aren't we running the ball? Give me, you know, let's go.


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[Assistant] But I think, I think Earl's right. I think it was just frustration in the moment. It's frustration of he's not, he wasn't on the field for the fourth quarter against India until the last play. Wasn't on the fourth quarter at all yesterday. And I'm sure he feels like these guys are competitors. I'm sure he feels like I've got more to give. Right.


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[Assistant] I'll take Middle of the Road. Middle of the Road is acceptable. I'll take it too. I heard them on the broadcast talking about how they haven't missed a beat and they're still like this elite running team. Have I been watching the same games?


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[Assistant] I like him fine. All I said was he's got three wheels left. And the numbers bear it out. Like he's not this elite back anymore. He's not a feature back anymore.


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[Assistant] I would, I would wait for it to go six and a half and I'd pound on that. The browns? Yeah. I'd jump on that.


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[Assistant] And I didn't find exactly what I was looking for. But since Nick went down, Browns are averaging 3.9 yards of carry. That ranks 20th in the NFL.


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[Assistant] So, very average. That's true. Some of the Browns' numbers...


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[Assistant] Still have Nick Jump as a factor. Yeah, since Nick went down their 20th in yards per carry. So it's not exactly what I was looking for earlier, but that's good enough. But again, we might have guessed worse than that. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. 3.9.


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[Assistant] Well, what those teams all had was multiple Hall of Famers. Right. On one side of the ball. Yes. And I don't know if the Seahawks will have that.


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[Assistant] So that's one different, I'm trying to remember who exactly was on that. Is Richard Sherman a Hall of Famer? Don't ask Tyvis.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think I agree with pretty much everything both of you guys have said. Part of this is regressing to the mean where it probably was untenable. I mean, they were on historic pace. They were putting up numbers that aren't allowed to be put up in this game of space and throwing the ball all over the field and everything else. I still think it's a really, really good defense, but yeah, I think there's concern over the fact, I mentioned earlier,


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[Assistant] Turnovers, short fields, which is still true and all fair, but now when you stack that with more sketchy performances on top of it.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I still think this is a really good unit. I don't know that it's the...


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[Assistant] Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Ravens. Not in 2000. No. Uh, you know, Myles Garrett, I think he's a future Hall of Famer at the rate he's going. I don't know. I think it's too early to say with some of these other guys, Denzel, you know, I don't, it's way too early in their careers to say. Yeah. Dalvin Tomlinson, no. Zaria Smith, no. No. So it's still built on one guy.


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[Assistant] From a talent standpoint of one elite supernatural type of player.


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[Assistant] Uh, but certainly they've shown some cracks here.


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[Assistant] I don't know if we really touch on this in the show or not, but they don't play a ton of good quarterbacks here going forward.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, Lamar Jackson coming up, but other than that, you know, you got Josh Dobbs this week. The Steelers are a wreck. So Trevor Lawrence is coming down the road. Trevor Lawrence is playing, they're playing really well. You got Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] I don't want to get hot takey. Emerson has everything you want in a cornerback. He's very good. He's got size, length, strength, decent hands, good speed. Like if I'm the Browns, I'm like,


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[Assistant] What was it, fourth round? Third round. Third? SEC cornerback. Now, I mean, no interception.


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[Assistant] Well, really they have not stopped to run well. Well, they faced some really good running backs in that stretch too. Jonathan Taylor, Kyle Walker, McCaffrey before he got hurt. So that plays a role in it as well. These are really good backs.


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[Assistant] Right, those are stupid. Well listen, but we're not looking to move or whatever. It's basically saying please come make an offer.


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[Assistant] This wasn't the Jets last year, obviously, but this felt like a game that Browns had won. At least to me.


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[Assistant] I texted you guys and said, this is a great Kevin Stefanski game. Like, this is the game where he's going to get all the flowers now, and then it all unraveled in the last two minutes.


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[Assistant] For the defense, I think it was an emotional swing where it's, it's those sudden change moments. You think you're going to win the game. You're two minutes from winning the game and now you're out there. You need to stop. Whereas had they been able to punt them deep or whatever. Now you have a different mentality of being able to stop them other than now the crowds in it. Now they've got the momentum and everything else. That's not to make an excuse for them though. You got to get a stop.


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[Assistant] If you are what you think you are and you are what you say you are, you have to get a stop there because the offense puts you in a bad spot.


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[Assistant] But you also know the limitations of this offense right now and you have to be the backbone of this team. That's right. And you didn't deliver for him. And the offense put him in a bad spot, but not for him.


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[Assistant] Walk straight down the field. That was very disappointing. San Francisco all over again. They shut off the water in San Francisco for three quarters, three and a half quarters. The first drive on the Niners obviously went down the score. After that, nothing until the end of the game and they went right down the field and got in the field goal range. Can't happen.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. He's gotten the best out of this team. Say what you want. He's gotten absolutely everything he can out of this team.


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[Assistant] I think, I mean, PJ's the one who has the ball in his hands. I didn't...


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[Assistant] You feel guilty blaming him because he's, because he is what he is. I remember going back to what Brian Heartline said about like, you can only ask a guy to do what he's capable of doing. And the Browns are asking PJ Walker right now to do more than what he's capable of doing. So it's, it's hard.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm gonna be lame and say, just cut it into thirds, I guess. Ultimately, a third for Stefanski. Well, ultimately it falls on him. He's the head coach, whatever. But I just think the, and again, like I gave you the numbers at the start of the show. If you want to say they should have run the ball, well then you've got


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[Assistant] The numbers to back it up since the start of 2020, there's a higher conversion rate running on third and three than there is throwing on third and three. Fine. If you want to be upset, fine. Just this idea that you have to fire the coach after every loss is what makes me roll my eyes and gives me a headache. Uh, but he's the head coach. He's culpable.


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[Assistant] But I'd probably put more of it on the defense in PJ.


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[Assistant] Okay, now wait. Do you really think Andrew Berry walks in there and said, nope, we're not trading for a quarterback, I don't care what you say.


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[Assistant] Win the game. Win the game. Yeaah. I like Mike's better. That's fair.


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[Assistant] I don't understand. I just, I just think it's a, I, I, I don't know, I'm not in the room. But I don't, I have a hard time believing that they're just. He's totally out of the loop on this. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] All you gotta do, I've said this before, they lost that horrible game to the Jets last week in week two. They came back four days later and beat Pittsburgh at home. You know how hard that is to do? Coming off a gut wrenching loss like that? Yea. Then they lose this year in Pittsburgh in a terrible week two loss, not as bad as the Jets, but it was a bad loss. To lose it the way they did with a fumble late and a picks or a


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[Assistant] Defensive touchdown, and then they came back the next week and won. He gets these guys ready to play.


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[Assistant] So he gets them ready to play, this team competes, like they don't quit on their coach, and there's something to be said for that.


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[Assistant] I can't remember a few weeks ago, we saw the odds, somebody had the odds of winning the division and the Bengals were at like 20%.


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[Assistant] And I just thought that was ludicrous. Ludicrous, insanely low for a team that's accomplished all that they have. So yeaah, I mean the bronze of the work cut out for them to compete in this division. That's why.


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[Assistant] That game at Baltimore is huge and then Pittsburgh coming here the week after is huge. Those are two massive games that are going to go a lot farther than what happened yesterday. Those two games are going to determine the fate.


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[Assistant] Of this season in this playoff run, far more than anything that happened Sunday. That's an NFC team.


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[Assistant] These are divisional games, they matter. It almost counts for two, it feels like.


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[Assistant] One advantage is the bangles have a much tougher schedule than the brass.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but this is still like, you have to go out there and win the game. They're not going to hand it to you. Right, they're never, yeaah. And, and that is, that to me is the worst team in the division. And yet they're still foreign. Yes, definitely. Because the Browns and the Ravens both handed to Steelers games. Yeaah. That's why I say you have to beat them because they're not going to beat themselves.


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[Assistant] I think I'm right with them. Same exact order. Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh. Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] Who smoked, Miami smoked Denver. Like 70, right? 70. And then Denver comes back and beats Kansas City.


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[Assistant] Yeah, good luck, good luck getting a Super Bowl pick right, right now. If you had to pick a Super Bowl, two teams and a winner, good luck with that.


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[Assistant] That ship sailed a long time ago. That's ridiculous!


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[Assistant] He's had play calls in the past where I was like, oh god, I hate that. Every coach does. Every coach has play calls that they want back at whatever moments. And when plays don't work...


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[Assistant] They look awful. When they do work, you look like a genius. So I have no problem with him calling the plays. Uh, I think it is very collaborative actually with AVP in terms of how they get to now in the moment, you got 30 seconds. Yeah. So, but in terms of putting the game plan together, building it out, I think Alex is very involved in that.


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[Assistant] Uh, but it's, it's Kevin making the calls because you got 30 seconds and you were on to the next call. Uh, most, uhm, co- again,


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[Assistant] And the four plays of the goal line last week, everyone was losing their minds out. It was very well thought out. You'd rather have four cracks at it than two. Like, there's logic behind a lot of the things.


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[Assistant] And that's fine, like, yeah, no, it's always aggravating when you lose the game, but you don't have to fire the coach after every game. It's, it's, it's silly.


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[Assistant] Like they've been, they've had a chance to win, they've been in position, they've been in the game at the end of the game to win every game but the ball.


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[Assistant] That's why I said, you could easily make a case for 5 and 2, you could just as easily make a case for 2 and 5. Well they could have actually been 6 and 1 even.


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[Assistant] That's, I'm sorry. That's what I meant. Six and one. You could easily be six and one. The strip sack in Pittsburgh, the interception off the helmet, you're six and one. But you could just as easily be two and five. So four and three is probably about


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[Assistant] They probably should be two and five, or they should be six and one. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] Well, since it's got here, they convert 57% of third down threes, third and threes through the air. Which is well above league average. With generally bad quarterback play.


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[Assistant] Wait, before we dive into that, I need to let the world know that I am the biggest


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[Assistant] Adam the Bull supporter this week. Why? Really? Because he is going up against nobody other than


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[Assistant] Guess what he gets? This is what you don't know. Guess what he gets in March? He gets this thing called player performance check, where the lower you get drafted, so how player performance- Yeah, it's not that much, is it? How player performance- Will it be his salary?


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[Assistant] Hold on, first of all, if he plays this week, I would love to see him play. If he doesn't, I understand why. Trust me, I get it.


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[Assistant] But I would like to see him play this week because I'm not about to grade this man off of what he'd do against the sorry Tennessee Titans. I'm not even. I wanted, we got him and paid him because we want to see him. That's right. Elite. So I need to see him perform against elite.


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[Assistant] Well, the only thing that I agree with, first of all, shout out to Brock Purdy, it's Brocktober. Nice job, Mike.


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[Assistant] If Brock Purdy stays with Kyle Shanahan, yes, he would probably be better. But if he doesn't...


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[Assistant] I don't think any quarterback would be good. I rest my case.


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[Assistant] That Kevin Stefanski believes that he has a group of tough guys.


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[Assistant] His choice of play-caller, that'll lead you to believe that he questions the toughness of his team.


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[Assistant] You always have to take into the fact that every season a team is going to lose a game that they had no business losing and they're going to win a game.


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[Assistant] Do you anticipate them making any moves whether it's in the running back or maybe tackle position? Do you anticipate them making any moves by the deadline?


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[Assistant] He's hurt. You hear me whining about that? He's not gone. He's here. I'm saying, just imagine if he was out.


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[Assistant] None of them look great. Wait a minute, are you saying that you're optimistic that the Browns will win this game against the 49ers if Deshaun Watson is playing?


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[Assistant] No, he's played very well. Very good. Yeaah, so to wrap it up, I got, I got the Browns second with Bull behind the Chargers, but the Rams scare me, and Bengals, I feel like they, they start, they're figuring it out. They are. The secondary still scares me, but they are figuring it out.


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[Assistant] It's up to him. Would I risk Deshaun Watson in this game?


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[Assistant] No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't because for the simple fact that I need to know as a, this organization needs to know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, confidence wise, I think your team is much more confident with number four out there than all of that being said.


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[Assistant] Right when y'all sitting down and saying, Deshaun, we're gonna go over this play sheet. Which ones do you think you're good at? And if it's something that's over 25 yards, and he says, I can't do that, then you know I did. Then he's a no-go.


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[Assistant] He good enough. Here's something you guys are ignoring. Okay. Some injuries. That's a long way. 15 yard out route to the field side receiver. That's a long throw. If he can complete that, he can play.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson playing 80%, 80% Deshaun Watson. What's your chances of winning that game? You're asking a different question.


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[Assistant] What's the chances of you winning the game with an 80%?


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[Assistant] So why, so, so that's the case that you didn't, you rested then. That's the case. If you have no chance of winning it anyway.


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[Assistant] Okay, then I'm going. That's exactly what they told me about my quad, when I had strained my quad.


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[Assistant] But Dallas, I was trying to get back into, I pulled my hamstring in my final preseason game and Dallas told me I couldn't go back in. I was like, listen dude, I could go, if we just run zone, I can't play man, but if we run zone, I could, he looked at me and said, nah, you a hater.


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[Assistant] Oh boy, did you know there's a big event happening tonight? What's happening? The Cavs are playing the Hawks. Oh! Tonight.


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[Assistant] Yeah, a big 10 school. And worse, you got about four or five players that you count on in Mac schools to like perform, right? And they're not here. And they're just not here. And so what you got, you got that feeling. Now here's the thing.


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[Assistant] I'm anxious to see what the defense is going to say about that because there's some parts of the football, uhm, we used to run a triple option and I felt like that every game.


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[Assistant] So, you don't have a chance to win. If it's third and seventh, and you're running fullback dive, going to... Yea, good luck. Good luck with that. Grab your, grab your helmet defense. Right, so, playing defense...


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[Assistant] We had to come up, it's like an only child, like, playing by themselves. Like, you gotta come up with some different things to, you know, motivate yourself. Like, hey, listen, we're not about to come out here and let these guys get 40 on us. We got some, Miles Garrett wants to be defensive player of the year, that's a good offense.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I'm sure the defense will not come out here and fold up, but I mean it's an uphill battle.


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[Assistant] Mikey, really quickly, I didn't see Jason here. Jason, listen, listen, I'm so glad you're here. Uh oh. Imani Bass! Really? Wait a minute.


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[Assistant] Man, you know what it is, man. They misdiagnosed this thing. Listen, you get a lot of swelling and inflammation in any joint, right?


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[Assistant] The first thing they do is like, let this swelling inflammation go down a little bit so that we are able to kinda see and tell. So when you, when you do have a bruise and you got a lot of swelling in there and you can't see anything, when that comes down a little bit,


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[Assistant] Then you can start to see the microscopic tears. Maybe it's this one over here. It's a little tear here. The reality of the situation is he is nowhere near playing football. It's just simple denial at this point. Everything points to it. Here's the thing, if he was close,


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[Assistant] This is how I know he's not close. If he was close, he'd be outside throwing the


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[Assistant] And your top pass catcher a tight end out. And key blocker on a lot of situations. And very key blocker helping out, uh, uh, uh, uh, our guy over there, number 71. Uh, yeaah, no, you're not going to play him anyway.


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[Assistant] You're gonna have to come home. I did the show Barbershop yesterday. I said, uh, you, you're gonna have to plan as if Deshaun Watson's not coming back. That's what you're gonna have to do. For the year? Yea. Yea.


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[Assistant] It's the next day. And at the time, I was confused. I'm like, since when do starting quarterbacks come out of the game and blow out? So you just hand the ball off, right? And I'm like, well, that looks a little weird. And now hindsight, maybe he couldn't even hand the ball off.


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[Assistant] Especially if you, you don't, and by the way,


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[Assistant] But Tonio is one of your guys, right? So, I already know he probably wanted to play because he has a consecutive streak. But, I believe behind closed doors the communication process happened. They said, listen.


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[Assistant] Sean's not playing, but Sean ain't close to playing. There's no way you need to be going out here for this game. Take the extra two weeks. We are, we already know what it is. Just take the, we gonna use this as an extra buy for you. You done had a whole month off now after you skipped this week. We'll be fine. David and Joko, I don't even know how the heck he even played. I don't either.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, this is, uh, yeaah, I think they need to really, uh, they need to really take a look at some of these quarterbacks because the team is too good to kind of punt them. You've already punted last year and this is the make or break year.


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[Assistant] Man, I think he at least has maybe 24 receptions, 205 receiving yards, but he does have two touchdowns because he's creative in the red zone. Alright, that's reasonable. I was not expecting reasonable there.


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[Assistant] And the problem is, the problem is the stuff they want to do with him, they have the ultimate upgrade in Deebo Samuel. Elijah Moore on End of Rounds, Deebo Samuel.


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[Assistant] But that's, that's where we are. Elijah Moore is one of them dudes that you pick up a toy for your kid real quick at Big Lots. You don't know why the hell you in Big Lots. You just pick it up and be like yeaah. But it don't come with a remote or batteries. It's got a missing ear.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think he may have 14 receptions or maybe 150. Uhm, he'll have one touchdown in the red zone. Uhm, the problem with him is they also have another, uh, upgrade from him and Brandon Iook. So, he's the same cat, but much more faster and talented, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't see much of a difference, uh, here with, with, with DPJ. Uhm, but I, I do think he would have better, better stats. Well, twice the production. Yeah. You said he'd have twice the catches and twice. Twice of nothing.


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[Assistant] Yes. Alright. See look, I'm being reasonable. The Kool-Aid is just...


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[Assistant] When somebody says, when the high karate ninja came out, that might have been fighting words in the street. Yeah, cause it wasn't used as a term of endearment.


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[Assistant] Now are they gonna tell him behind the scenes? I don't know, I haven't met him to that level yet. Behind the scenes are they gonna pull him aside and say hey Steve?


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[Assistant] I go with 27. Uhm, but I do think that he'll have about 250 yards, but here's where 250. Here's why I think he has a big splash.


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[Assistant] Uhm, his carries will be maybe 60. I'll give him 200 yards.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he's not going to be doing too much. I mean, if they still have Christian McCaffrey, they always sprinkle them in a little bit more. So that's even worse average via 60 carries and 200 yards. About 60 carries, 200 yards. And I'd give them about maybe four touchdowns. They ain't going to be doing too much. See, the question is, is McCaffrey in that offense too?


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[Assistant] You know, Tim, you know, I said it earlier, I think they gotta, they have to prepare as if Deshaun Watson is not coming back.


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[Assistant] There's nothing you do about it, you know? So for me, I look at it and I feel like they gotta go get another quarterback in here, another veteran, figure something out because... Can you throw now, Tim? No, not at all.


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[Assistant] Because I don't think he's close to playing. Do you think you gotta, you know, look and say, cause PJ Walker, he might not get it done. We need some options in here.


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[Assistant] And by the way, them boys, listen, I got a remedy. Hey Kevin, if you're listening, bro.


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[Assistant] You might want to get back on that phone, call up Washington and get you Jacoby back. You better go ahead and just call him.


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[Assistant] I really don't. So if you don't think it's a punt game, why would you not go out and get Jacoby Reset and not make it a punt season? Because it's not getting


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[Assistant] I mean, Myles Garrett has nobody on his defense last year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think we're all agreeing. Now let's be clear. Now, I gotta throw Max Crosby as a bad boy now. Max Crosby's creeping up there, but I would put him, Michael Parsons, Bosa, Miles Crosby probably before, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby.


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[Assistant] We got DPJ. We don't need that person. We got so-and-so. A lot of people are telling me that. So we don't need, there's no DeAndre Hopkins can't help us. We have Elijah Moore. Boy, if y'all don't stop playing around, these dudes got top guys at every position. And we tell them people.


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[Assistant] This is the thing we get, because, because, because Lineman don't really have any crazy, like they don't, they just kind of blend in. Conklin's contract is going to be horrible.


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[Assistant] They can't get out of that. Jed Will's fifth year is inexplicable. And by the way, if you talk about how you want to construct the offensive line, you're paying two of the most expensive guards in the entire league. So we will talk about- Not to mention the joku.


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[Assistant] He didn't- For what they gave up, I agree with him. For what they gave up, it's the worst, and they, and you know what they did? They just said, get out.


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[Assistant] I'm going to see what they're talking about. I'm going to learn a lot about the Cleveland Browns in this game.


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[Assistant] And everything ain't gonna be perfect all the time. And you got two weeks. And you got two weeks off of bi-week. You know what was going on. And the defense, I wanna see, if you guys wanna say that you're one of the best defenses the Browns have ever had, it's an opportunity to prove it against a great offense and a defense that you're gonna have to match stop for stop. I'ma see.


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[Assistant] After a while, you start to be like, who the hell, these ain't the 40, this ain't Joe Montana's 49ers. I don't care about Brock Hardy. I don't know.


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[Assistant] This ain't, this ain't Steve Young neither. Not yet, but there's... You gotta prove it. You gotta show me. Yeaah, they do. You gotta show me, dawg.


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[Assistant] Now you can't, what you can't do is you can't give Christian McCaffrey 120, and Deebo Samuel 96, and Brandon Nyuk 104, and George Kittle 3 touchdowns and Brock Purdy 255. No, somebody gotta go.


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[Assistant] I like this stat. It's a good stat. I like this stat because, uh, if he's getting the ball, uh, throwing the ball at 2.4 seconds, they can't be going downfield. This all short stuff.


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[Assistant] I got three corners that's gonna play man to man coverage and we get a couple holding penalties or whatever the case may be, we gonna play physical up front and y'all gonna have to throw short routes all over the field. You cannot be going deep at 2.4 sections.


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[Assistant] What you got, G? Hey man, listen, Brown fans, eh, eh, eh, buck up. Put your shit in the air.


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[Assistant] Uh, we, we take no, uh, You have one of the best the best defensive playe


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[Assistant] I know Jim Schwartz is gonna have some cooked up for the 49ers and we're not about to let them come in our stadium. We're gonna make this game nasty. We're gonna make it ugly. And guess what? They drunk off the love that they got from the Dallas Cowboys game. That's a big rivalry for them. Let them know that Prescott's not playing for us and we're glad about that. Uhm, and at the end of the day,


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[Assistant] One thing that you can always hang your hat on with this game is, look, you don't have anything to lose, right? There's no pressure on us. P.J. Walker can come out here, they, I mean, they got sub tape on them, but guys need to just pull their part. Defense show up, special teams show up.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna make this game ugly. If you can keep it under 14 points, you got a good chance. And, and, and unleash the beast. Put Kareem Hunt back in the game. Give him some carries. He's a hometown boy. I know he'll run between, hard between the tackles. And let's make the game ugly and, and let them say, look, we play Cleveland. Shout out to them.


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[Assistant] I'm into my health and wellness. The last couple times I was on there, I was in the middle and your awesome producer, Mike, was so great that I felt like I was at a tennis match. Yea, right. I did physical therapy afterwards.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I do like, I, I do like how the Browns handled it. And, and, big G, to your point about how the Deshaun awesomely handled yesterday, and typically,


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[Assistant] Uhm, as athletes, as players, if you're the player and you go up there and you say, and you're the one to disclose this, I have a micro tear of my rotator, I have a broken ankle, I have a torn ACL, you're the antichrist in the locker room. Right.


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[Assistant] From the Brown's perspective, I really like how they're handling it, okay? Finally!


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[Assistant] But even 3 weeks ago, again, I'm not with the Browns, I'm absolutely not their marketing rep nor Deshawn's marketing rep, but I get how 3 weeks ago this confusion could have happened.


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[Assistant] Because a micro tear slash a inflamed rotator at first doesn't always appear like it is torn. Okay. And then when you get your first couple opinions on it, now granted technology and medical diagnosis is better in 2023 than it was in the


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[Assistant] late 80s and early 90s, but ironically they still do some of the dumb treatments with cortisone shots and injections and that. So when it's really inflamed at the beginning, it sometimes is challenging to know, is it that micro tear?


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[Assistant] Yeah, because then I've, I as a player was guilty, and I'm saying to Sean, did this, okay? But I know with that micro-territory, with that inflamed rotator, and that you're initially told,


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[Assistant] And, or a micro tear that does not sound as bad.


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[Assistant] That is a player you really do think you're gonna heal. And there are, and there was move, and, and during that Ravens game, you actually saw post his decision not to play, you saw him lifting weights. Right. And doing the bands. And doing some awesome stuff that even in my prime with a healthy, healthy shoulder,


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[Assistant] I don't really believe Deshaun himself knew it was as bad at that point and he thought it was going to heal just like Andrew Berry thought it was going to heal on that Wednesday also because as a player on a Wednesday, if I'm like close to 80, 90 percent because I had this tear.


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[Assistant] And it doesn't really hurt. So for the fans out there, they're saying he's not tough.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's sort of too much pain. That is not at all the case. This doesn't really hurt that bad. What is the problem then? It doesn't hurt. That's why you think you're healthy because it doesn't really hurt when we're sitting here when you're hanging out, when you were resting on that Monday and Tuesday, that Wednesday morning before AB got up there and had that talk.


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[Assistant] You do feel kind of good. You do think, oh god, give me three more days if I feel good today. And at that time, he had ten days. Right. Right. But then you try to throw. Well, then you try to throw, but because it's Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, I'm only trying to throw


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[Assistant] 50, 60, 70%. Look, I'm not trying to drill my 18 yard comeback, so I'm not trying to drop my 40 yard fades in the hole versus cover 2.


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[Assistant] If it's blitz zero, I gotta loft up a 55 to 60 yard post route. Like I'm not testing that, but I am testing it a little bit and


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[Assistant] That in itself probably showed I thought it was going to be okay. So I actually understand how the Browns and I've had my issues over years with the Browns. I actually see how that happened. I see how it happened with Deshaun. Okay. And then when you actually do now, now it's 10 days, two weeks later.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and now you go and you're the cue and it's feeling good and you're lifting. And then all of a sudden, I was telling Bull, a lot of the stuff, it isn't the pain, it's on maybe 10 to 15% of your throws.


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[Assistant] You get like this involuntary twitch. You get this involuntary muscle movement. So look at me and Jay. Dude, we're four yards apart. Twelve feet.


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[Assistant] In my sleep, I could throw it to you. When I had this issue, I floated a check down six feet over the, the, the running backs head. So your accuracy. Because of that involuntary spasm. Yeah. And in a game where your quarterback is so magnified as to what he does, blowing


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[Assistant] It's week 15. We're playing the Minnesota Vikings here at home. It ends up going into overtime. It's one of the coldest games ever. It was like minus 20 with the windshield. It goes into, uhm, it goes into overtime. But the field's frozen.


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[Assistant] And, and that was back when you were allowed to really do the things you shouldn't do to humans, you know, on the field at the bottom of piles and stuff. And, and I was getting my butt kicked from, uh, their, their pass rush and the awesome, God bless my play against them in college at University of Pitt.


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[Assistant] Great friend, he killed me that day. Okay? And, and uhm, and I say that in jest, but that's how I got snapped, I had the micro tear of my shoulder. Right. Now it's week 17, we had a bi-week then, we're gonna go week 16 to Houston Astrodome.


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[Assistant] And if we win the game, we win the division. If we lose the game, uhm, Warren Moon and the Oilers win the division.


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[Assistant] You live and died by football, okay? That was it. It was life and death. And it isn't saying this to be a drama queen with the issues going on in our world and what's happening in the Gaza Strip and Israel right now that there's way more important things than a football game that, but not to me at that point. So,


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[Assistant] You know, I decided to play with it and I went and played that game and we had Sunday Night Football and I'm so proud. Man, I played really good and we won the game. Then had a bye week and because we won the division the last time the Browns won the division in 1989 and I wasn't going to let that not happen.


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[Assistant] But then you get the, I figured I'd get the bye week and it would heal. Now I get to play Buffalo at home in a playoff game.


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[Assistant] And Jim Kelly was my mentor at the University of Miami. It's a playoff game for, for the Browns. Like there's zero chance I'm going to miss that. So even to the detriment, possibly the team.


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[Assistant] Knowing that I could maybe blow a couple throws, you know, you still feel like you could do it and you want to do it.


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[Assistant] Well because that game, I had a week off.


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[Assistant] Crushed the Bills and the Bills are a team that then didn't lose for four more years and culminated where I got the Super Bowl winning against them.


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[Assistant] But I say all that as background, not to promote myself. That was in December, January. Okay? It's the San Francisco game and the Baltimore Ravens game.


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[Assistant] The 4 or 5 throws was 10 throws in Buffalo, but I was able to mask it and manipulate it with an exceptional game plan. Uhm, by Denver, I, I was off. Okay, I blew.


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[Assistant] About four throws, two were picked off. You can't do that.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm sick to this day about it. I'm proud as hell. We won the division. Beat Warren Moon. Proud that I beat Jim Kelly.


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[Assistant] Got the third AFC championship game in five years, but I was not capable to play winning football that day and I would not have been able to play winning football two weeks later. So I say that as not to Sean Watson's apologist or marketing rep.


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[Assistant] If he goes out there now and he runs more than me, and we're playing on AstroTurf this week, if I'm the defensive lineman, I hate to say this, parents, I'm drilling a shoulder into the ground. I'm going to accelerate and amplify that that shoulder's hurt again.


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[Assistant] We forget, we may not forget the Frisco game right away, but we do forget these October games when it becomes December and January. And Deshaun Watson and the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] played against Frisco. He could have probably, maybe he could have done it. We could have maybe done it. But man, when we need the big dog, okay, in January, and this team is showing nobody wants to play us in January right now with this defensive line.


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[Assistant] We gotta get there, I got it, I got you. So which quarterback are you going out and signing? Well, but the quarterback, but look at how the 49ers defense was so killer coming into that game.


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[Assistant] And we don't have Deshaun Watson, and we don't have Joel Petonio. Okay, and Dewan Jones is the right tackle, and we've been abusing Jedrick Wills, and still Coach Callahan and Coach Stefanski get us north of 160 yards Russian. That travels. Nobody.


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[Assistant] Figure it out, and if you get it, I know, okay, I'm a homer, I'm a Cleveland guy, I want to play all home Cleveland playoff games. This team just, Jimmy Johnson line, somehow, some way, get to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] because with running the ball and stopping that travels.


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[Assistant] I'm launching, I'm launching the cosartwellness.com today, October 19th. This isn't a plug to start talking about my health and wellness, but it's absolutely those injuries and those type things are absolutely how I've come to figure out how to do my health and wellness right now.


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[Assistant] And one of the big phrases, I love the University Hospital Dr. Vuce and what the orthopedic people do with the Cleveland Browns there, okay.


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[Assistant] But after I left some of those docs, there were doctors that I had in my past who would always say to uhm, you can't do anymore damage. You've done as much damage as possible. Right. So bold to your question.


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[Assistant] The micro tear does not go away and you can do more damage for it. So the answer you'll probably start hearing is we're gonna strengthen


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[Assistant] The muscles in and around it to help protect it.


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[Assistant] The statistical chance that it is 100% healed in a month to 100% probably isn't there, but do you get it strong enough to where the involuntary twitches, involuntary muscle movements,


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[Assistant] We yelled and we fought and we got people saying he's afraid of the pain. We had Baker Mayfield go out there and play through this, okay? And like you were saying earlier, and if you blow your half dozen plays out of toughness, out of will to win, out of love for our brothers in the locker room that you want to let the guy down.


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[Assistant] And all of a sudden you don't make a couple plays. They're going to crucify you more. And look what it's done for Baker's career. And I love what Baker did. I, I, I did it. I was that person. I played through it. There was no doctors that were going to talk to me, but I know I would not have at that age. I would have probably talked them into it.


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[Assistant] And I know I'd have been useless in December. I'd probably have been useless.


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[Assistant] On what's currently happening. I really like how PJ Walker somehow, someway used the Jimmy Johnson line and showed.


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[Assistant] And a real cool, uh, coolness or calmness to win in the game, but you're probably right to get to the promised land. Okay. There probably needs to, would want to be another level of backup QB.


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[Assistant] But I'm not overly fixated on that more as how to the Dashaun and him getting healed.


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[Assistant] And or best getting him healed to get him to where he is close enough to, uh, healthy in these playoff games slash.


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[Assistant] Playoff run in December. And again, it's not a plug to some of the stuff I'm doing because I had the injury, but because I had the injury,


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[Assistant] And I fixated on some of the wrong ways that were treated. And unbelievably, don't you dare anybody do a cortisone shot out there. Okay, that, that caveman way of doing stuff, they still do that.


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[Assistant] Okay, there's a master's program of health and wellness that I do that is legal, healthy, and, and, and


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he could have played. I concur with that, but again, I'm, I feel like I'm PJB for the Browns defending him.


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[Assistant] But into the Browns defense and then why players need and it's good to have second opinions, uhm, and again, I like, I like Dr. Voos and I really like what UH does, is uhm,


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[Assistant] The, the ability to diagnose a micro tear at times with massive inflammation.


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[Assistant] So in the first 72 to 96 hours, those three to four days, you could, you could miss it.


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[Assistant] That's a good question. Great, great point. So that's why I'm trying to buy time. Okay, so


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[Assistant] There's a different mindset that is in the middle of the season to try to survive the end of the season, so.


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[Assistant] Yes, you, you could hurt it more by getting driven into the ground. So by say a month or six weeks from now the


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[Assistant] Uh, chance of it getting hurt by just a throwing motion, a involuntary twitch when he's just throwing, is probably real less likely. Then the, the, the part is the, getting slammed into the ground.


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[Assistant] If I was more involved with them, and I don't say this for young parents, young kids out there, don't do this, but we're the pros now, so it's different.


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[Assistant] I would have my mindset at the end of the season, so.


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[Assistant] It's one thing to play and know you could get through two, three, four games. There'll be a stage where if, if it's still out there and it gets hurt, you, you may want to still consider.


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[Assistant] No I had a little surgery, it didn't fix it, I had it too late. Oh, okay. So it's too, and then the cortisone, that's why I'm so into my holistic healing and what to do.


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[Assistant] Proteolytic enzymes, please don't do the anti-inflammation ones. And don't do the cortisone shots. I, I, it doesn't work. I was joking with Bull. Look, I want to act like a tough guy here. I don't even want to shake hands anymore because your hand melts. It falls off, okay?


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[Assistant] Right, and even, even, look it, he can't be 100% right now. So what I'd be worried about, look it, I want to see him play, okay, but what I'd absolutely be worried about if I was his buddy, if I was his


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[Assistant] Oh, exactly. So look at, they're going, if he plays in October, November,


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[Assistant] Don't try to throw 100% right now because you're still big G, you're so right. I'm still at the ability or possibility of tearing it, the micro tear. With a throw. With a throw. Okay, so if I'm 75% and I'm feeling good,


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[Assistant] And I tweak it with a power throw, it's now not a micro tear, it's a torn rotator, and now he's done for the year. Okay, so that is the possibility, so I, they know that, so they're not gonna go 100% today. But again, I go to,


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[Assistant] I know the kid wants to play. He wants, he doesn't want to deal with this stuff. He likes playing. Players play. And like, but what he did in that awesome game, okay, where we dominated, okay, he was running the ball and he was hitting his check down. So the arm may have been slightly torn then.


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[Assistant] Beforehand, so with him running the ball as much as he is to kinda get his timing back


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[Assistant] I think he's opening himself up to issues now to where I think he could get through this game on, on Sunday. Like I got through a couple games and I actually played really good and people say, okay, it's cool. But then late December. Okay. And it's 25 mile an hour wins.


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[Assistant] Yeah, everything's hard, even in perfection. Like it's torture to throw at our stadium. And I pride myself, I'm not statistically a good quarterback, but I prided myself that I was a better statistical quarterback.


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[Assistant] than the other guy. Right. Because it's torture to play there, even in good health. I don't want to see him having to try to throw, throw that.


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[Assistant] Hey, with Indy running the ball, with Gardner Minshew playing, uhm, or with Anthony Richardson, they're a running football team. Anthony Walker's essential in there from the, the, uh,


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[Assistant] The middle linebacker's stop in the run perspective. It's mitigated with this awesome Jim Schwartz defensive line to, to, uh, to help that out. I'm kind of fixated on Joel Petonio coming back awesomely, showing his toughness, but two weeks coming back, although he's not on the injury list, how he comes back from that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, like god, again, I'm not circling back from a business side on what I'm doing health and wellness wise, but these guys really need to, coming back, you know, you're really not healed from two weeks coming back, so.


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[Assistant] Joel, I know, I love his toughness. I love his streak. It's terrible that, you know, he had to lose his streak for it, for someone as, so much pride that he does, but, God, so many injuries that these guys are doing, some of the wellness stuff I'm doing, they, they really need to get some of this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and we're not the adult. I'm not the adult at that age.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a, that's a sadly a perfect set of advice and analogy. Uhm, and I would say even to the Browns, and I love our fans, I would shoot it out to our fans here, the, we have to, whether you,


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[Assistant] You're four against what's going on. You gotta be patient with Deshaun and this decision because we had, I'm proud of me playing through all those injuries. I played with a broken ankle. I played with this screwed up micro tear and I could barely get out of bed as I trend towards 60 right now.


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[Assistant] So that's the loyalty and patience thing. Uhm, had my brain really fixated. And again, I love our fans and I love the passion that we have for it. Uhm, I pride myself on my toughness.


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[Assistant] as it pertains to Deshaun Watson. And again, I ain't saying this to cover for him. This isn't about toughness. He is tough. He can handle it. It's not a question of toughness.


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[Assistant] Again, I'm that 80's guy. I'm that 80's player and I played at all costs.


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[Assistant] Sometimes and sometimes in the moments and actually as part of my healing and sitting here being healed or as close to healed as I've been this century, I'm not completely healed and there are sometimes things and I'm not saying what Hanford said was ignorant but I will say it pertains to me.


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[Assistant] Sometimes there are things that I have said and that hopefully don't do too much of in the future that are ignorant or I want back or not correct.


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[Assistant] I wish I was saying this for attention or to set up the NFL concussion lawsuit that they keep denying us for. The TBI is real, we're forgetful, and sometimes in moments things come out that we don't really get out the right way.


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[Assistant] The, the law profession, the law profession that was supposedly helping us.


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[Assistant] Chagrin High School graduate. This is tough stuff to talk about. I don't say this for drama or shock effect or for this show. Okay, that's, it's, uh.


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[Assistant] Breast Cancer Awareness Month, uhm, here in October. It's a great cause, what I'm doing with my wellness and being able to help families and ladies who have had this, uh, have this issue and being able to work on, on your, uhm, your health to help your body heal itself.


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[Assistant] Well, September was Suicide Prevention Month. Uhm, like six Thursdays ago was International Overdose Awareness Day.


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[Assistant] Two of those three things I just brought up, Suicide Prevention Month and International Overdose Awareness Day. I could have or should have been any one of those statistics and stuff.


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[Assistant] And block Mean Joe Green, who's one of the sweetest humans in the world, and he wasn't mean, he was one of my football coaches at the University of Miami, and I'm sorry, at the Miami Dolphins at the end, but the ramifications of


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[Assistant] Some of the injuries and some of the stuff, we don't die pretty at the end. Uhm, I mentioned the awesome Chris Dolman who was crushing me when I had the micro terrier, probably he caused it.


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[Assistant] Okay, he's laying on top of me. During that game, um, average, uh, life expectancy, uh, there was a stat for, uh, NFL players to play more than seven years is life expectancy of 57 years old. I was 59. Um, I played against some amazing D. Lyman.


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[Assistant] Chris Dolman Hall of Famer. Reggie White Hall of Famer. Jerome Brown.


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[Assistant] Uhm, god, I wear that shirt. You see me with Michael Koufer, who was the Detroit Lions, killed, was crushed me. They're all dead. And they all died terrible. So these are kind of things that, you know, you're trying to figure out as you go through. And these are decisions.


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[Assistant] Something just, just playing through it, you know, and, and guys saying stuff. I get, like, us saying it, but even if it was Hanford and or somebody saying that he should play, I wanted to play.


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[Assistant] If you play with this injury you won't be able to dress up in January.


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[Assistant] That's how we were able to steal signals so good. I mean, it was so great. And people say, oh, you stole signals. Well, if you're dumb enough to go.


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[Assistant] Four, three, under, cover, two. I'm allowed to steal. That's your fault. And in the old days, uhm, zone coverage was, hey, Garrett was saying it, three, four, cover, three.


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[Assistant] You know, four, three, under, cover two. Those are zone defenses. The blitzes was four, three, under. Mike at seven.


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[Assistant] They would do like, you'd be playing like, uhm, you'd be playing like the, uh, the Cincinnati Bengals who are orange and brown and the guy calling it would have a big old black outfit on just to really stand out. So even concussed, I could see what he's signaling and stuff. Great stuff.


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[Assistant] I'd say I like how, I like how Mari's been running routes and getting, and absolutely getting open. I know it doesn't fit into the wide receiver category.


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[Assistant] But you know, it depends too on the situation, and I'm not trying to play the fence on this.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's no doubt the Webster Slaughter and the Blitz coverage against bump and run technique. You know, Brian Brennan and what he did on that third and three to six and those getting open to extend drives. And then we talked at length today about the awesome Chris Dolman.


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[Assistant] In that Minnesota Vikings game, Reggie Langhorne, in certain conditions with his athleticism and his physicalness.


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[Assistant] And I actually like this today and that where I'm trending and still answering the Amari Cooper line. So Amari Cooper's a bigger guy, okay, and he has really good footwork and he knows how to create separation. So. Is that Reggie? And that was Reggie. Yeah. In any situation and Reggie was never caught.


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[Assistant] So if Reggie got open, he wasn't caught from behind. And Amari Cooper doesn't, he seems to get open, and he doesn't seem to get caught right now. So he's making those big plays.


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[Assistant] And that separation that he's able to create


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[Assistant] Right. Um, that was Langhorne. God, he was so good with that. I loved watching him. He was great. Yeah, so when I, you know, you develop that bond and that rapport with somebody, um, Amari Cooper is ripe to develop a rapport with the quarterback and that then,


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[Assistant] You know, for him to be making these plays now with three quarterbacks like this, uhm, it's special.


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[Assistant] The Gardner Minshew who, in the running game with Moss and Taylor, uhm, and possibly Anthony Walker not being in there.


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[Assistant] Again, I love how Zedarius Smith's been playing that combination of him and Miles Garrett. It's exceptional. So that's a Homer call by me to say yes on the sack, but the Bulls factual points at the end, they're going to try to run the ball.


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[Assistant] Gonna try to play action and do the quick passing game. And they're gonna, they probably will limit the options or limit the opportunities for it.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I actually, I actually think they will. And I still, because they can't throw.


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[Assistant] That's true. This is where like, uh, Jim Swartz defense with that wide nine, okay, when you're crushing and collapsing in the pocket and you're one dimensional, like he made Tennessee and that he could do that, he could do that again to Gardner Mitchell and the running game this week.


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[Assistant] This is great to be able to say this. I think we could say no and it doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] Anyways, and I still see how we've been losing the turnover battle. My defense is so spectacular that they, they could, they're kind of an eraser for mistakes.


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[Assistant] And from a QB perspective, I felt like this in the 80s. I did not want to have turnovers, but I didn't lose my brain over them.


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[Assistant] And it don't always work out, but in, in duress and chaos, it isn't easy to throw that ball 18 yards.


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[Assistant] And in training camp, training camp was so long back in July and August, we had meetings about that. During the season, if you're on Sunday,


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[Assistant] And you're gonna come out, the doctor and trainer come out, you're going to get the concussion test. And the concussion test is the fingers. And it's not gonna be one, cause that's too easy, let me show off the Superbowl Ring. It's not gonna be three, cause you may miss that, it always was two. And you had a meeting about that.


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[Assistant] That's insane. I was actually joking around with, uh, God, it's amazing. I cognitively can remember this. I didn't say it on this show.


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[Assistant] But I said it, uh, to Austin Love this morning was, uh, one of my first times getting tested on it. And again, don't do this young kids out there and young parents, but back then to, uh, to mitigate a, uh,


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[Assistant] A concussion, you would have smelling salts, so I was getting so many of them that I'd have a pocket with a little smelling salt.


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[Assistant] And back, and again, don't do this either, but back in the day you were rough at the bottom of the pile.


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[Assistant] So there's 10 or 15 seconds of stuff going on there that you had time to...


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[Assistant] Smell the smelling salts. Wow. Collect your thoughts because you knew within 10 or 15 seconds the doctor was going to be out there and you had to do the concussion test. So I had that Jets, after that Jets double overtime, Gaston-O hit me and I'm doing that and I'm coming out and it's, again, it's, it's


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[Assistant] I've thrown the picks, we're down 10 points, people are steaming out of the end, out of the dog pound. I see Bill Tessendorf, the great trainer, the great John Bergfeld from the Cleveland Clinic, one of the only


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[Assistant] The team docs I had who didn't push pain pills on me. So thank you brother, you were great. But he comes up to me and he goes,


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[Assistant] And I was impatient to get back into the huddle and I was trying to get past the doc because I didn't want him to know I was going to cuss.


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[Assistant] That changed my life, okay, cognitively and physically, I have issues for multiple decades and it was dark at times between retiring in 97 and then figuring out what to do in 2017. That was a dark 30 years, 3 plus decades and stuff.


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[Assistant] I would have lost that game if I left. So I would have not won that game at the beginning of my career, then I would have lost


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[Assistant] The first playoff game I played in 1985 against the Dolphins, and then I ever lost that game. That affects my whole psyche. A lot of my confidence and belief in myself.


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[Assistant] What happened then, that was a springboard for me personally and my confidence in the 87, 88. The 89 team wasn't that good but we had such belief and confidence from


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[Assistant] The miracles that we pulled off on 86 and 87, that it was a springboard. So like I'm really conflicted as a health and wellness guy who


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[Assistant] Doesn't want, I was so happy when my son stopped playing. I didn't want to see him play. I don't want to see him have a shitty, excuse me, not supposed to swear, terrible thirties, forties and fifties. That was lost decades. Not worth it. Uhm, with that.


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[Assistant] The confidence and belief and respect I have for myself was because I won that game and I came back and I'm so thankful to God that I got to play in that game.


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[Assistant] And finish and win it, because I don't want to live here as a 60-year-old guy feeling bad that I threw two picks to lose the game. I'd rather be concussed and have no back teeth because Gastro knocked out my back teeth and I gotta, it's partly why I'm a juicer and I don't eat steak. Mikey.


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[Assistant] I used to do a ton, I still do a ton of Make-A-Wish. So to be that age and me be that quarterback and for Aaron still to be with us.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Aaron, definitely come in because I don't, I've met so many Make-A-Wish kids over the years and most of us aren't with us anymore. So for you to be here, brother. Yeaah, we're glad you're doing well. Yeaah, so I'm not saying this, just be on air and gratuitous. Come on in. Absolutely. Mikey, what do you got for us?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I'm absolutely, I'm so biased here. I ain't even trying to be on offense. Of course it's offense in that for me as a, as a guy who didn't have the physical skills to play defense and that, you know, so from the offensive perspective with it, but that being said,


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[Assistant] For us to really get to where we want to get, and the teams that really are the consistently, the Super Bowl teams, and playing in Cleveland, it's miserable to be consistent offensively. So this dominant defense, this 50, I mean in 5 plus decades, the NFL hasn't seen a defense start like this.


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[Assistant] This, this historic type defense, if it continues, and it really can continue because if you dominate the defensive line, the defense, offensive line like they're dominating now, there's no reason this can't continue and, and take this to be special places. So, in the, in the interest of short-term thinking,


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[Assistant] It has been offensively oriented the last decade. Plus. Plus, because I'm


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[Assistant] A lot of it has to do with the rules of the league and how they call the games. Okay, so as an offensive guy, I would love, love, love.