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[Assistant] I just didn't eat breakfast this morning, but we got two more real quick guys. So akimbo RPGs says, you guys should get swoop TV. Apparently it's $20 a month and you get all the games on swoop TV. I've never heard of it, but that's what they said. And then from James Bowen Bull, please never talk about your bathroom times again. Sincerely, all of us.


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[Assistant] 80% of the time you lose when you lose the turn over battle. So they've been living on the edge, they've been living dangerously in that regard to this point.


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[Assistant] They need to find somebody that can go in there and manage the game for them. And Jacoby can do that for sure. Uh, manage the game for them very well and not throw the picks. If they can just get that and continue to get 58 yard


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[Assistant] Dustin Hopkins field goals and you know, everything that they're getting from their defense, then they can stay in the thick of it.


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[Assistant] From PJ back to Dorian Thompson Robinson. Uh, you know, I'm sure that


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[Assistant] Uh, then PJ, uh, you know, there are things he doesn't know and hasn't seen. Uh, but again, I think that they think that maybe there would be a trade off if they can have him cut down on the picks and give him a game plan and have him practice that game plan since Wednesday.


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[Assistant] And, you know, and really give him the outlet passes. You know, I think that they feel he would probably make better decisions. They probably think that on third and three, you know, he would have thrown it over the middle to Jerome Ford or maybe he would have seen Elijah or maybe David or whatever. Uh, I think that they think just from a processing and decision making standpoint that they would be better off with Dorian.


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[Assistant] Survive some of that if you're not giving up a ton of points and you're not giving up the ton of third down conversions and those kinds of things but what you can't really


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[Assistant] So, it's just costly. It's costly. That's what's going on with the defense right now. They're cracking under the strain of not having a consistent offense that's not turning the ball over. Uhm, but yeaah, they've given up some big plays.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, he's gonna play in a little bit of a pain, pain if he has to, but if you're a cornerback and you have to run, obviously you do, uhm, and you have, uh, a


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[Assistant] Power and that, you know, that bruising back and then now you've got Pierre Strong who also, you know, he's got speed and shiftiness and he can catch the ball.


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[Assistant] But, you know, we, I always make sure that it, you know, it's a lot of chocolate, you know, it's just all the, all the favorites. I, uh, you know, we'll, we'll have an assortment of things, but, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm G Bush and I'm going to tell you why I'm frightened about Deshaun Watson's shoulder after talking to a doctor friend of mine.


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[Assistant] Ah, boy, I tell you what, uh, this was a tough one for me. It feels like going to a fast food chain and not getting what you actually expected, but you eat anyway because you're hungry. I'm going to give them a C minus. Uh, I would have given them a D except for the fact that Deshaun Watson played well against the Tennessee tights. But other than that,


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[Assistant] Uh, it's been hit or miss. I mean, it's been ugly up front. Uh, we talked about the offensive line play. Jed Wills has not been great. Uh, the receivers aren't really open. The running game has really fallen off a little bit.


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[Assistant] And I look at what they told us and sold us. They sold us Elijah Moore, great offense down the field throwing Deshaun Watson. We just have not seen that to date. It still gets a little worse. Uh, it gets to 49ers. So we'll see, but I gotta give him a C-minus.


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[Assistant] I got an A minus. I'm exactly where you are with it. If it wasn't for the Baltimore Ravens running the football, I think they may have found some things that other teams might try to capitalize on. Maybe some misdirection stuff.


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[Assistant] They got gashed a little bit in the run, but overall we, we, a couple of weeks ago, we saw about this is the best Browns team.


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[Assistant] Listen, in between, I'll give him a C+. I was gonna give him a regular C because, you know, Donovan Peoples Jones is a guy who, you know, just catches the punks. We don't have anybody back there that's taking over doing anything. I gave him a C+, because of our kicking situation. Night and day from where we were, uh, Jay, and I'll give him a C+, with that.


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[Assistant] For me, it's the tale of two cities. You got, uh, you know, the A plus. I wouldn't say Kevin Stefanski in the office is an F, but I got to give down the middle a C. Uhm, it's average. I think the offense needs a lot of upgrading and the creativity, learning down in distance, understanding that you got a DTR as a quarterback, you know, you know,


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[Assistant] Now that you say that you think he is going to play, how does this injury affect his, you know, him throwing the ball, pushing the ball down for you?


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[Assistant] Doctor, really quick before we get you out of here on Nick Chubb, why did they break it into two different surgeries between the ACL, then went back into MCL? MCL first, then ACL. Why did they break those things into two different surgeries?


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[Assistant] You know, I look at it like this way for me, Jay. You know, change, change some of your protections up. I think the offensive line is struggling a little bit. Uhm, you know, you look at Jed Wills, you look at him over here.


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[Assistant] They have David and Joker over there helping and chipping out and different things like that.


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[Assistant] So if you're gonna have that protection, that, that enables you to get the ball out very quickly. Get the ball out in your first progressions, let guys get the ball in their hands yards after catch, and don't look for the 12 to 15 yard play so much. Just get it out of his hands and continue to move the ball down the field without, without dropping back in five or seven, seven step drops.


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[Assistant] Uh, listen, um, I'm going to go with a little more easy approach. See, right here we're going to co- this is called the double direct snap. So we're going to snap the ball to Deshaun Watson. He's going to start frontside and he's going to run a read option. Now there's three options on this play, right? Hence the word option. He can either take the ball and then run an inside zone up front.


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[Assistant] Which is why I would have Elijah Moore right there. He can go in motion and he can either run the option play and pitch it or he can drop back and throw a pass up top. It is the triple double direct snap and I think it works.


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[Assistant] I think the people are messing around thinking that Terry Bradshaw and me and Joe Green are coming out of the locker room. Obviously 11% is crazy. Like, if you have a 50% chance to make the playoffs, you at least have a 33% chance of winning the division. I think it's just absolutely way too low, boy. What's your percentage?


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[Assistant] Guys, we all at times, myself certainly included.


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[Assistant] Talk about players as if they're fungible assets, right? Not human beings. And this puts, this is one of, a number of examples that we all eventually ignore, uhm, of


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[Assistant] You know, he ha, these guys have a, we're, sometimes I feel like people are annoyed that guys have a life outside of football. And in this case, like,


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[Assistant] And we don't do that in any other walk of life besides sports, right? We don't do that with the entertainment industry. We don't do it with politicians really. We don't do it with all these CEOs making millions and millions of dollars across the country.


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[Assistant] And all those autoworkers should get paid. And I'm just pointing out that it's not just athletes. I'm with all the autoworkers, good for them. I stand with their union, 100%. And yet we always do that with athletes.


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[Assistant] Listen, there's a million things to be critical of Deshaun Watson for.


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[Assistant] I've seen a number of people in the media now say, like, he's soft for not playing.


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[Assistant] Right. Well, the argument that people are making now is, well, that was before we got paid, so of course we can get it then. I just think that's weak. Like, we all killed Baker for playing with an injury. Now we're gonna kill Deshaun for making the right choice.


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[Assistant] Hanford Dixon missed a couple games at the end of his career.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he missed three games in, in like his third to last season. His second to last season, he missed one game, but it was the last game.


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[Assistant] That's right. By the way, did you, uh, guys ever see the movie Total Recall, the original one with Arnold Schwarzenegger? And there was some mutants? You're one of the mutants?


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[Assistant] Yes, uhm, not, but it's bad either way. Whether this is a fracture amongst the group or not, it's still bad. All the messaging that has come out over the last week and almost two weeks of this has often conflicted other messaging.


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[Assistant] Nobody seems to be on the same page, whether it's Watson, Stefanski, they keep saying they're on the same page, like every time we hear from Stefanski and Barry, but clearly there's a disconnect, somewhere, and whether this means that Barry and Stefanski, who have seemed to be very tight,


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[Assistant] Maybe things are fraying between them? Maybe Jimmy Haslam's causing a fray between them? Maybe Deshaun Watson's ticked at Stefanski right now? We don't know.


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[Assistant] Clearly, there is a problem. Can it be overcome and the Browns get back the winning? Sure.


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[Assistant] But when you come from an organization that is used to losing, it's harder to get over these things. They tend to sabotage a team more than organizations. You know, when you had the Antonio Brown situation in Pittsburgh, well they're used to a culture of winning. So they got rid of him, they moved on, and they were able, it wasn't a big deal.


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[Assistant] Now this, nothing here that's happened is equivalent to that necessarily.


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[Assistant] But I think the big question right now that we don't have an answer to is two things.


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[Assistant] Is there any tension between Watson and Stefanski? And is there any tension between Watson and his teammates? Because if either of those things are happening then that's a problem guys.


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[Assistant] Right. And what's to G's point also of like, he's been trying to build up this relationship, you know, in theory.


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[Assistant] We were all feeling great. Yes. After, about, it was the best you felt collectively. No question. About Watson was after that game. No question. And now it's just all gone to crap since then. Without the game being played.


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[Assistant] Because Watson, Stefanski, Barry, and DTR, off the top of my head, I can't think of any other player. Throw in DPJ too, who said


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[Assistant] Who have said something that makes you believe not everybody's on the same page. And that can't happen. And at some point perception becomes reality. That's right. And add in that Watson's not talking. What do they got to hide? When somebody doesn't talk you think there's always something to hide.


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[Assistant] So we need one message. Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry need to be in the room with the entire team and say, what the hell are we doing here? Here's what's going on. Here's what we're saying in the media. That's it.


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[Assistant] Trust is, you know, after they beat Tennessee, we were all excited that they hyped, they jumped into each other's arms basically, and we're like, look, they love each other, and now we're questioning.


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[Assistant] Back on the winning track. You know, somebody said to me, I was talking to somebody yesterday about, do I still believe in Stefanski? Because I'm probably one of the few people left in town that does.


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[Assistant] But I said, I still have some faith in him, but he's holding on by a thread with me at this point.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and if he doesn't turn it around soon, then Browns are going to have to think about a change, but I don't think we're there yet.


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[Assistant] Because they're still very much, with all the doom and gloom that we've been sharing for the last two days, and it's going to continue unless Deshaun Watson plays. Because they're going to have a hard time beating anybody without Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's just the way it goes. You have a backup quarterback in most cases, it's hard to win. And so, uh,


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[Assistant] It was feisty yesterday. It was yelling and screaming about where Brock Purdy is in the pantheon of quarterbacks in the NFL right now.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm not even going to tell you what anybody said, I don't want to be able to. Where do you, where would you say, we know how well he's played, we know the talent and the coaching he has around him, we know it's not a huge sample side. For you right now, if you're ranking the quarterbacks, where do you put Brock Purdy?


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[Assistant] Now, I agree with that. He does a lot of those things. There's no doubt. Uh, we can't totally dismiss the talent around him and the coaching staff. However, one person did go as far to say he's better than Josh Allen. Will you at least admit that that person is out of his mind?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Schwartz is, I believe, 8-1 against Kyle Shanahan in his career, which is amazing. And the Browns obviously have the defense to play well against them. The problem is the Browns are so limited, you know, offensively, I just...


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[Assistant] You know, you've lost Nick Chubb for the season and, and it's trending towards Watson not playing this week. I mean, you look at the Niners, they don't appear to have any weaknesses at all.


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[Assistant] I mean, I guess the only way you can make them uncomfortable on offense is to pressure them, but that's not easy to do. And if, and then if you don't get home, I mean, what do you look at? If you had to pick a biggest weakness of the team, what would you pick?


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, we had Nick Chubb, who before his injury, it felt like he was impossible to tackle. Uh, he always looked like he was running downhill. McCaffrey does all of that.


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[Assistant] But it's not by much, but McCaffrey in the passing game is just...


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[Assistant] Unmatched, except for maybe by Austin Eckler. I mean, that's about it.


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[Assistant] His combo game and everything he does is remarkable. So the combination of Purdy, which I think we would all agree is no matter what you feel about Purdy, he's the best quarterback that they've had in San Francisco. I think that's clear. Uh, the combination of him and McCaffrey kind of together late last year has


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[Assistant] Pardon the cliche, taking this franchise to another level where I think it's going to eventually lead to a Super Bowl, whether it's this year or sometime soon. Fair?


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[Assistant] Brian, quick answer to wrap it up. If assuming Deshaun Watson doesn't play, what is more likely to happen this Sunday? Browns win, Niners shut out.


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[Assistant] The one thing I'll say though is, you talked about this I think yesterday, the Niner's offense


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm just saying he's not gonna, he has no ability to run at all. He's not even Joe Burrow in terms of an ability to run. No, he doesn't run at all.


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[Assistant] Three wide receivers, now Tillman doesn't play really, but have Morris receiving yards instead of running back.


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[Assistant] Well, I answered this with the assumption that Deshaun Watson is not going to play. If I knew Deshaun Watson was going to play, obviously I'd flip. Would you guys all flip? Well, that's exactly why I did it too.


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[Assistant] They'll probably get 50 yards between them. You would hope. If you're lucky with PJ Walker, and I think McAfeeel, and I think that's best case scenario, is 50 yards between them if PJ Walker's playing. Yeaah. Because I think PJ Walker will throw for like 125 yards.


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[Assistant] By the way, Steve Becker, kudos to Steve, who usually gives us just a pain in the ass on text.


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[Assistant] I love you Steve. I love you Steve. But he did say that Brock Pardee did run some in college. He actually had 1100 yards in the four years.


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[Assistant] I'm expecting this game to be very low scoring. Are you? Yeah.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, I'm leaning towards predicting this game to be under 30 points.


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[Assistant] I'm with G, I believe in the Browns defense. I think last week was an anomaly, or the Ravens game was an anomaly, and I think they're gonna play very well now. The Niners will score because they're really good, but they're not gonna shut them out.


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[Assistant] The Broncos apparently going to be having a fire sale here soon. Like they're moving on from Frank, Frank Clark this week. Yeaah. And, you know, Jerry... When does the coaching quarterback go? Yeaah. Jerry, Judy, and Cortland Sutton, they're both guys who Brown should be interested in. Man! And also Samaje P. Ryan, he had a great


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[Assistant] Right. Right. So he's averaged like 30 something yards a game.


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[Assistant] And he's had a month to get gas. He should be in Footscote.


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[Assistant] Wait, hold on a second, Mike, can I just, I'm sorry, I wanna, one second, really quick. Cedric Tillman's probably been playing a lot with BJ Walker in practice.


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[Assistant] I hear you, but it wasn't on the road and in bad weather. Facts. And I think the Browns defense is better than Dallas's defense. I think so. I do too. All around.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you this, at the end of the game, I know in general, I don't believe in moral victories and losses, but at the end of the game, if the Browns play well enough that they lost a close game, and we could say, you know, if Watson had played, the Browns probably would have won that game, you won't feel that bad Monday.


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[Assistant] Right. They can make it close? If they play a hard fought battle, the only way we'll be mad about it is if...


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[Assistant] Even better, and I think more likely to keep it close, if they lost like


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[Assistant] I act as good as I think the Browns defense is, as low a score as I think they're gonna hold the Niners to, I still think they'll have one long, one long touchdown by McCaffrey in the game.


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[Assistant] But the thing too with the Browns versus the Cavs, now this is tricky as you say because of the weather,


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[Assistant] Have a way bigger following than the Cavs and Guardians do. Because... There'd be people coming to Cleveland. Right.


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[Assistant] There are a lot of people in their late 60s to early 80s.


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[Assistant] That are not from Cleveland, were never lived in Cleveland, that are Browns fans across the country because Jim Brown would be on TV and that would be the game they would watch.


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[Assistant] How many teams have not gone to the Super Bowl that have been around since the beginning? Not many. The Lions and the Browns, right?


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[Assistant] We haven't figured it out once. What's amazing is, uh, you know, in, in just the last, you know, 30 years, the Cavs have gone five times and the, and the guardians have been, the guardians have gone three times. And yet,


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[Assistant] Those teams have inherent disadvantages in their sports. Financial. Well, financial and baseball and basketball. Location. It's location, right? Whereas football, location doesn't really matter. Maybe green bank. And money, it's a salary cap. You're right. So there's no disadvantage.


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[Assistant] You're right, it's just special. Even though the Bengals haven't won the Super Bowl, I've been able to see them in it three times, and obviously it's disappointing when you lose. But just getting there feels really special. You got the day. Yes, it's special.


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[Assistant] I'll be a mess, bro. Were you on the air after the Guardians lost to the Cubs? I had to go right on the air. I was on the field.


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[Assistant] Is that the most exciting moment in the history of a losing team in the World Series?


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[Assistant] For crying out loud. Alright, here we go, here we go. Professional all of you. We'll ask a question. There you go. Uh, everybody's panicking here.


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[Assistant] Why didn't they just use him last week, Aditi? I don't, why didn't, why not use PJ Walker last week?


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[Assistant] Or why not trade Josh, why trade Josh Dobbs if you're, if you, if this guy can't do anything this year.


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[Assistant] It's, if, if, if DTR is not prepared to play, that's on Kevin Stefanski, not on Deshaun Watson. Whether he thinks Deshaun, he knows Deshaun Watson's got an injury, he knows there's a chance he's not gonna be able to play, it's the coach's job to get him ready. And if he's not ready, you either blame him or the coach. I can't blame Watson for DTR not being ready.


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[Assistant] But the Steelers won those games against the Browns and Ravens who have mediocre defenses, offenses, right now.


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[Assistant] And the Niners are one of the best offenses in the game. That's a, that's a big difference.


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[Assistant] Right? They should, they're going to need to do it. The Browns just can't play, like in the first three games, they held teams to not a lot of yards. That's fine. They need to force turnovers and either score or set the offense up in the red zone, basically. Right, because in two of those wins, in their wins,


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[Assistant] Right, they have to, the only way the Browns have a chance in this game is if the defense forces turnovers and allows P.J. Walker to either, you know, score from the 20-yard line, basically. Yeaah, that's their only, P.J. Walker's not driving the team down the field 80 yards. He's not.


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[Assistant] Again, this is not earth-shattering or anything. I just thought I'd share it. Uh, uh, Alex van Pelt, the Brown's offensive coordinator speaking right now, said PJ looks good, throws it well. And then he was asked if he's sure who's playing quarterback Sunday. He said, quote, I don't think so.


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[Assistant] You just can't say you're expecting Watson to play if that's the case.


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[Assistant] They, the report, Mary Kay was saying yesterday that, that now they're saying it's two to six weeks, like typically for this injury, but that's a big window, so. It is, but the key in that number is the six weeks. Right, so it's possible, uh, and more from Alex Van Pelt, he just said, quote, you wouldn't put a running back out there if he couldn't run full speed when asked about Watson.


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[Assistant] He also said that even if Watson doesn't practice all week, he still could play on Sunday. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but that's what he's saying.


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[Assistant] Somebody knows what the playing field is. Exactly. Another quote from Alex Van Belt asked about Watson. He said, quote, he's doing everything he can, but it's tough. He's a thrower and has a shoulder injury. We're going to have to wait till it gets healed up. From what I'm hearing, it's better every day.


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[Assistant] By the way, you know how, uh, in week one, famously Jamar Chase talked trash and had it thrown back in his face? Right. By the Browns. Well, now the Seahawks are, uh,


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[Assistant] Are doing it to Jamar Chase, this might not be wise. I wouldn't advise that. DK Metcalf just said, I don't know, just.


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[Assistant] You had that covered. Uh, welcome to the show. It's Friday, busy day. We have 90 minutes for you here on the YouTube show at 1230. We're slingshotting over to channel three.


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[Assistant] Here's how you can watch that. If you're in the Cleveland area or the Cleveland television market, you just turn to Channel 3, there we are. It's like magic. If you're outside the Cleveland area, and we know half of our viewers are, which is stunning to me, half of our viewers are from outside the state of Ohio.


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[Assistant] But here's how you watch it. You can very simply just put the WKYC Plus app.


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[Assistant] On any smart TV, WKYC Plus. Download it, stream it to your TV. If you don't want to do that, or you're a little technology challenged, just go to the website, WKYC.com, hit watch now. That simple.


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[Assistant] You can watch us anywhere. On today's 90 minute show, Tim Couch, Mary Kate Cabot. No, no Mary Kate today.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're going to ask him his thoughts because we haven't talked to him since the great Deshaun Watson outing. We haven't talked to him about that. That's true. What was the difference? What made Deshaun Watson, Houston Deshaun Watson? And also we've talked about this with Mary Kay and with Tim, uh, and with, uh, Leroy this week, Aditi. How do you unlock David Njoku?


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[Assistant] That's a big miss by bronze. They're paying him to be a top 3 tight end. At this point I don't think he's top 3.


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[Assistant] Now, I think there has been one or two tight ends since then signed for more. The fact of the matter is, he has been a woeful underachiever.


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[Assistant] Or is this who he is? If this is who he is, and like I said yesterday, we've got a large enough body of work to think that this is exactly who he is. The question is, what does Kevin Stefanski need to do to get him more involved and be the productive player


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[Assistant] That they're paying him to be. When your performance doesn't match your paycheck.


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[Assistant] That's, that's a big problem. And his has never really matched his paycheck. So we're gonna talk about that. And also, uhm, we want to know


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[Assistant] Uh, we're gonna talk about this in the nine, in the 30 minute show, so I'm not gonna tease that yet. I am gonna say this, uh, the 30 minute show that we have for you, there's content in there that we haven't done all week. In, in fact, uh, and this is I think gonna be the hottest thing that we talk about today. Right now, does Shawn Watson or Lamar Jackson? Yeah.


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[Assistant] That's what's going to be the first topic in our WKYC show at 1230 on Channel 3. So you'll definitely want to make sure you check that out. I have the numbers by the way. Where is he right now?


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[Assistant] He's the 17th in terms of this year yards per game. He's 17th. So we can still complain.


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[Assistant] Uh, when they made him the third highest paid tight end, we all just, we all were like, we didn't get it. I don't understand. Somebody sees something in him.


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[Assistant] I'm only laughing because now I can't see you without your face being chicken skin tinted and your face inside a nugget. He is miserable about this.


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[Assistant] There's the possibility that there's more damage than they saw on the MRI because the MRI obviously was taken at a time where there was a lot of swelling and sometimes when doctors go in, they find a surprise that they didn't expect. Let's just hope that the ACL is intact and it was just the ACL.


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[Assistant] And when they started draining the fluid, it was yellowish green. And I immediately said, what's that? And the doctor said, you're coming back in tomorrow for emergency surgery. You've got an infection.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're going to start today with a sore shoulder.


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[Assistant] And it's not just anyone's sore shoulder, it's Deshaun Watson's sore shoulder. Did not throw Wednesday, did not participate in practice.


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[Assistant] Yesterday he was on the field. He participated. He threw the ball, but it was described, I believe, as very light. Uh, light and limited. Yeah, light and limited.


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[Assistant] That's kind of a red flag, uh, obviously because it's a rowing shoulder. Uhm, you guys concerned? Where are you on the concern meter?


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[Assistant] Hopefully you can give us clarity on this. I'm assuming that this is from a hit, from an injury, but I don't know that it's not from throwing fatigue.


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[Assistant] Which is clearly a thing. Can you clear that up?


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[Assistant] Throwing fatigue, obviously, is a real problem. If it's throwing fatigue, that's like asking a pitcher to go out after he's thrown a hundred pitches and pitch out a day's short rest.


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[Assistant] You can't, that's difficult if it's painful to throw. I was led to believe by the guys upstairs, the producers that were out there, Wednesday and Thursday, that this was more...


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[Assistant] From a bang that he took in the game on Sunday. And if that's the case, I think...


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[Assistant] Obviously the scary thing for me is it puts a bullseye now on that right shoulder.


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[Assistant] You know how defenses love to target wherever there's an injury on a player. That's their target zone. Uhm, I think it could become an issue moving forward if teams start to target that shoulder. Uh, but right now because he was able to throw yesterday and because there doesn't seem to be major panic coming out of Maria, I'm okay for now.


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[Assistant] Oh nice, nice. In case you don't know what that is, uh, five piece is, uh, we're going to do it every Friday. It's McNuggets five stats that we have to know before we watch the game. So enjoy a five piece, uh, coming up later in the show. Um, he's run the ball by the way, uh,


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[Assistant] I just feel like he's not running to contact but he, he, there's contact there.


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[Assistant] And, you know, that's a 240 million dollar Lamborghini.


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[Assistant] You like to stop behind the stop sign, not kind of roll through it.


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[Assistant] But to Jeebush's point about making a comparison to Baker Mafia.


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[Assistant] Baker Mayfield ran to contact when he never should have and he was never the same after that.


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[Assistant] The one thing that I think we talked about a lot in the last couple of weeks about Deshaun is we've tried to figure out what was different between his first two performances this year and last week's performance. I wonder how much of that has to do with the pressure he's getting. Because we really haven't talked about that part of it.


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[Assistant] We know that Pittsburgh certainly got after them. I think Cincinnati did a good job of getting after them. The Titans didn't really


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[Assistant] No, they do, and I know we talked about how that impacted Deshaun, but what about a clean pocket Deshaun?


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[Assistant] Now there is, like to Mike's point, there always is. I mean, for most guys, yeaah. The 72.6 in a clean pocket.


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[Assistant] It feels like that's above league average with the clean pocket. So I think there might be something to that guys, and to your point early this year about the left tackles are going to be a problem all year, just imagine


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[Assistant] One of the game plan, part of the game plan has to be moving forward if you keep extra guys in to chip or whatever you need to do to help keep him upright and clean. That's priority one.


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[Assistant] Uh, or maybe because they're giving so much help to the wings that the inside becomes softer. Is that the case?


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[Assistant] Alright, well, I mean, now we know that it was injury based. Like I said, the producers from Channel 3 told me that they were...


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[Assistant] They were of the, uh, of the idea that it was from a hit.


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[Assistant] That he's suffering the game. I mean that, you know, Baltimore's gonna, they're not stupid. The head of the beast kind of thing. They're gonna, they're gonna try to target that shoulder as much as they can. And that of course puts even a higher premium on the offensive line, buying them time and you know, keeping their quarterback clean, upright and, uh, and on the field. Before we go to Ninjoku, you gotta read, right?


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[Assistant] Yes, your statue, your statues, they're not scrambling, they're not moving out of the pocket, going into a sack sometimes.


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[Assistant] He's a useful player, he's not useless, but he's not great. I just think, I think that because of the amount of money he was paid at the time, now since it's been eclipsed by a number of guys, but when they made him the third highest paid tight end,


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[Assistant] This, this Brown's defense has done it again through three weeks. Uh, I don't know if you saw, but earlier this week we showed a stat that showed that the top three defensive performances by one metric this year in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Were the Browns first, second, and third games. They are playing, although it's early, at a very elite level. When you look at what they're doing,


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[Assistant] Does it scare you at all that now they're going to see a running quarterback? Because the one thing that all their opponents had in common in weeks one, two, and three


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[Assistant] Burrow wasn't gonna run. He had the hurt calf. In week two, obviously Kenny Pickett isn't the most mobile guy in the world. And last week, Tannahill is more of a statue too.


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[Assistant] Should we be concerned this week because all of that changes?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that I think is the Schwartz effect. And it's funny because you're damned if you do, Tim, and you're damned if you don't as an offense. If he goes in motion like that and you don't bring your tight end over there with him,


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[Assistant] If you do decide to bring him with you, you run the risk of, if it's late in the play clock, taking a delay of game or having to burn a timeout. It really is. I can't believe we've never seen it until now. Why did this take so long?


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[Assistant] Tim, we'll get your prediction in a second, but before we get there and let you go, one question.


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[Assistant] We've talked about the Swartz effect on the defense and how they're flying around, they're making play. It's just, it's astonishing how much different the defense looks this year from last. And I know they added some pieces too, but I think we all agree that Swartz is the biggest component.


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[Assistant] He is already in three games as the Browns defensive coordinator held two opponents to three points.


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[Assistant] Joe Woods did that once in three years. What effect does that have on the quarterback and on the offense knowing that you probably don't have to shoot 30 or 35 points to come out with a victory? How does that change your mindset and your performance?


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[Assistant] These things though, I mean, I'm assuming that he's had the MRI and everything else, these things can linger, or these things can just magically clear up. You just, you don't know how bad it is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I'm assuming, Jay, that they did an MRI. I would imagine so. They, you know, tried to check off as many boxes as they could.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you can't tell. We don't have enough information. Obviously the new information today makes us a lot more concerned because we asked that question to start the show and we were like, you know, it's okay. It's Friday and there's plenty of time, but uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I want wins. I want wins. I'll take wins any day of the week over quarterback controversy in terms of steering up, uh, stirring up in the show. But it will, it will create a problem.


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[Assistant] But to give you guys that may not be old enough to remember this scenario, once upon a time, the Patriots gave a huge contract to Drew Bledsoe. If I'm not mistaken, it was the first $100 million contract in the NFL. So that was record setting.


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[Assistant] He got hurt early in the season. Tom Brady came in, balled out, won a Super Bowl, bye bye Drew Bledsoe. And that was at the time he was making the kind of money that if you extrapolate the dollars to today.


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[Assistant] Now here's the thing, uhm, and to show you that anything is possible in the NFL,


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[Assistant] We saw Mr. Irrelevant last year come and take a 49ers team that has more talent on offense than this Browns team, but there are a lot of similarities between these two rosters. He's never lost. He hasn't lost a regular season game. That's very improbable. The only loss was the playoff game and he got hurt early and then at one point they were playing QB4 or they were thinking about playing QB4.


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[Assistant] Look, if you break it down, every team in the division has had dominance against the Browns over the last 20 years. They've probably had more success against the Bengals, but clearly the Ravens and the Steelers history has been


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[Assistant] Far better ingredients to prepare the meal than all of the Cleveland coaches have in this head to head rivalry.


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[Assistant] I remember the game, it was a couple of years ago, I think it was in 2020 when the Browns made the playoffs. I think that if I'm not mistaken, the Ravens beat the Browns both times that year. Browns finished 10-6 and two of their losses were to the Ravens. But in the last game, it was the shootout and when they met at midfield,


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[Assistant] Everybody overheard Harbaugh saying, like, this might be one of the greatest games in history. It was like 45 to 42 or something. And he said, your team is awesome. Like, he was very complimentary of Kevin Stefanski in that moment, but then, you know, the head to head matchups, uh, Kevin's two and four against him.


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[Assistant] In which it was close, went into overtime. All they had to do on a couple of different drives in the game, some in regulation, some in overtime, just get a first down. And you got Justin Tucker, he was short on a 62 yarder by a yard, but they just couldn't crack the ball past midfield despite the fact that they were getting it at like the 40 yard line.


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[Assistant] And that, to me, and the Colts aren't, nobody's fearing the Colts. No.


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[Assistant] I just looked at that and said, this is a game that the Browns should win, and it shouldn't be a nail-biter. It's at home, they've got a terrific defense, and this Ravens team has looked mid to me this year.


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[Assistant] So if you feel like you have the athletes to cover the Ravens receivers, and I don't think that's any question. It's not the Ravens receivers that would force me to play last night. Right, but the effect of their receivers taking our corners down the field with their backs turned to Lamar, that's where they're going to kill you.


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[Assistant] If the corners are leading me in tackles that's a problem. I wouldn't be surprised if they start in man.


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[Assistant] They're different answers yesterday. Yeaah, actually. Cause remember one of the answers was really kind of off the- Definitely off the board. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I'll be able to judge that. Now does this five piece come with sauce or no?


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[Assistant] I mean, I think there'll be plays where 8 gets them. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Is because it feels like when they do bring that extra guy, they're getting home.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if there had to be one stat that I didn't know about that I would love to have had to use as backup for why I made my pick, it would be that one. I'm picking the Browns because I believe the Browns defensive front


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[Assistant] is going to win that battle and they're going to put Lamar under pressure and without knowing what the numbers are my eyes tell me throughout his career


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[Assistant] He is really, really good when he has time to stand back there in a clean pocket, but you want to force him into those situations, that's when you get the turnovers. So, I think that's the reason I picked the Browns. I like that stat.


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[Assistant] During the game in which he was heavily pressured, and he's thrown a pick or two, where he's wearing defeat.


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[Assistant] He's not rallying you back. I don't feel like he's bringing you back from two touchdowns.


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[Assistant] It's odd because we don't have a completion percentage. In my mind, his deep throws that are coming to mind were overthrows. Yeah, they were misses. So I don't know what his completion percentage is on the


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[Assistant] Throws beyond 20 yards downfield. I do remember he had some really nice hookups with Amari Cooper that were further than 20 yards. But in week one, he overthrew Marquise Goodwin twice.


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[Assistant] Well, I think the one thing we should expect would be short, high percentage completions. Very, you know, like, I don't want to say dumb down the offense, but bakerize the offense. Make everything quick reads, underneath, short. Here is where the Nick Chubb thing becomes a real problem.


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[Assistant] Normally, in a game like this, with Nick Chubb over there, you're like, okay, we shift gears, and now we go heavy Ron and heavy Nick Chubb. There is no Nick Chubb. So, this is one of those situations where if it ends up being DTR,


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[Assistant] Baltimore is gonna be able to pin their ears back, come after him, and know that there's not really a big second option that the


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[Assistant] Let's not talk about that. Play it real quick though. One thing while we're talking about Miles Garrett and PFF Grades, uhm, if you look at the top 10 highest


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[Assistant] Rated players in the NFL, defensive players through three games. Grant Talpitz, number nine.


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[Assistant] How do they, how do they win without him at quarterback? Because it's, it seems to be, Vegas always knows, Vegas has five Zach Jacksons.


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[Assistant] And the fact that Vegas has moved the line that much in 20 minutes.


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[Assistant] If they hold their opponent to three points again, we're not asking a quarterback to do much.


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[Assistant] Well, I've been trying to provide, uh, as many details as I possibly can. And what I came up with on Friday is that this is a deep, deep contusion of one of the rotator cuff muscles. There are four of them. And this is the largest one that he has the contusion in. So it really affects all of his throwing motion and strength.


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[Assistant] And what I do know is that they are not going to put him out there until they feel really good about the fact that he's throwing normally and that he is pain free.


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[Assistant] Accurately. Now he wants to play. So, you know, if he feels a little bit of pain in the shoulder, you know, is he going to say something about it? Is he going to keep that to himself? You know, we're going to have to find out how that goes because obviously these guys want to get out there. They feel that they're invincible. They don't want to miss games. He knows that this is such a high-stakes season.


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[Assistant] So he's going to want to play, and they want him to play. But he's gotta be pain free, he's gotta be throwing the ball normally without pain.


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[Assistant] And I think the key is if he goes out there on Wednesday and he throws the ball and he feels pretty good and he wakes up on Thursday and he feels okay, then they can take it to the next step. So it's just a matter of how he continues to progress throughout the week.


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[Assistant] You know, it's just that. If you're not playing, you're not going to be talking to the media. It's the starting quarterback that week that is going to be speaking to the media. So that's, that's kinda how that goes. When he's ready to play, uh, and he's ready to start, or at least getting very close to that point,


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[Assistant] Then they will roll him out there in front of us and put him at that microphone and they will let him talk to us. So, you know, Wednesday and Thursday we'll be telling. I don't know if they will.


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[Assistant] Uh, but you know, the true test is when you get out there and practice and you try to kind of let it rip a little bit. And when you think about this, uh, you know, Andrew Berry did tell us, he gave us a very telling detail during the bi-week. He said that,


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[Assistant] After this injury happened. Well, you know, that's pretty significant. If you can't lift your shoulder, you have to go from that to being able to whip a ball down the field 50, 60 yards. So uhm, you know, so we'll have to see how he feels throughout the week, but I will say that there is optimism inside the building that he's going to be able to go on Sunday.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I don't think that there are going to be any major like blockbuster deals at this point, but you never really know because sometimes those things don't present themselves until you get right up against the trade deadline.


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[Assistant] And so some guys that might not be available right now, you know, there are still two games before the trade deadline. So depending on what happens for a team, if they think they're in it, if they think they're out of it, if they start selling players, uh, that's when you know a little bit more.


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[Assistant] And, you know, from a running back standpoint, I think they feel like they're going to be okay. They just bumped up against three of the best run defenses in the NFL over the last three weeks, and they did pretty well against the 49ers remarkably. Uh, so, you know, Jerome Ford is coming around.


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt got involved this past game. I think they feel okay there. I would still probably look for a veteran backup quarterback. I don't think they have plans to do that either.


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[Assistant] And feel like, you know, for the most part, he was just put in a very tough situation.


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[Assistant] Against the Ravens where he didn't know he was going to start until a couple hours before the game and what not. Uh, so I don't know if they're going to make any big splash, but


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[Assistant] Atlantis in the Bahamas, you know, that's what Deshaun Watson is all about. He is a team guy, he's a rah rah guy, he's a vocal leader, he brings guys together. If you remember when DeAndre Hopkins was talking about


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[Assistant] I don't know if they see it the way that I see it. I think that they believe that there are two players in particular who are going to get much more involved in the passing game going forward. One of those is Elijah Moore.


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[Assistant] Have it, have it in your arsenal occasionally for when you need it.


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[Assistant] And yes, you can get the ball into his hands and let him get the yards after catch, but I think you can...


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[Assistant] Build on anything that Deshaun and Elijah have tried to get going.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he really is, is a target and, uh, it's pretty incredible to see that even after a victory like that, when I thought they had a really good game plan, when they ran against the, you know, number three run defense in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I, I really liked that, uhm, direct snap to Harry as they call him.


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[Assistant] I thought that was good. I thought getting Kareem involved was important because nobody wants to defend, uh, I call it the lakefront home.


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[Assistant] And so it's really cool to see some of the stuff that's coming that you're not allowed to talk about, film, or write about. Uhm, but they had some good things in this game plan.


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[Assistant] How to try to move the ball and score some points on Jim Schwartz's defense because, you know, that is just something that he has not been able to do yet.


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[Assistant] They are so strong at every single level of that defense and you've got to get the ball out so very quickly. Uh, and teams are going to figure it out. I mean, you, you know, you've got this, uh, you know, amazing defensive front and there you guys are showing, um,


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[Assistant] You know, the, the schedule that's coming up there, you know, for the Browns, but, uh, this defensive front is, is so, so strong that somebody's gonna have to find a way


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[Assistant] Part of the field that they can try to attack in some way, and I don't know what it is. I mean, Todd Monkin had some success, but I think...


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[Assistant] That Gardner-Minchou and the Colts, they're kind of in for it. Just the way everybody else is against this defense. And unless Shane Steichen, their excellent, excellent new head coach,


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[Assistant] Uh, that could end up in the Super Bowl. So yeaah, they, they can. And look what happened to the Eagles yesterday. So, or Sunday. You know, they, you know, they can beat anybody. The Browns with this defense can beat anyone.


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[Assistant] We're not 2 and 0, but the sun did come up this morning.


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[Assistant] Yes, but so is that they would be third. But it doesn't matter, because Jay...


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[Assistant] But I will say this, if you're embarr- if you're defending Deshaun Watson today, you are flat out embarrassing yourselves, okay? We gave him a six game pass for last year. I didn't. Six games! Completely ridiculous, nobody should take six games, but I was willing to give him a six game pass.


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[Assistant] Last week, we gave him the weather pass. Last week he got the weather pass. What's the excuse now? Are we going to blame the tackles? Yeaah. Jedrick Will sucks. Jason, who I respect more than any member of the print media. And that is a fact.


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[Assistant] Uh, is completely out of his mind thinking Jen Wills is an average player. And so is anybody else. The guy stinks, he can't play. However, uh,


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[Assistant] It's, it's bottom line. Deshaun Watson, by far, takes the most blame for this loss. Wanna blame the coach a little? Fine. Wanna blame that clown Donovan Peoples Jones who can't catch a punt? Fine. Not only did the Deshaun Watson guys play like crap in this game, absolute crap.


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[Assistant] I don't hear any excuses. I made no excuses for Baker. I made no excuses for every other scrub they've had here. I'm not giving up on Watson, but there's no excuses for yesterday. Even worse than his play.


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[Assistant] Was that he completely lost his composure for a quarterback to get called for two personal fouls. Is insane and he deserved them both. And let me tell you something else. He's lucky he didn't get kicked out of the game. He pushed an official. Are you out of your mind? You're a quarterback for crying out loud. You've got to maintain your composure at all costs. That's ridiculous.


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[Assistant] Uh, my first comment is close to yours. It's never as good as it looks.


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[Assistant] So, the Cincinnati win wasn't, clearly they're not as good as that look. And often times I would say it's never as bad as it looks.


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[Assistant] In this case, with the addition of the Chubb injury on top of the loss, it might not be as bad as it looks, but it's very close. Uh, my fear, Nick Chubb will never carry a football for the Browns again. That is a very real possibility.


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[Assistant] Without trying to diagnose what his injury is. You saw it. Everybody saw it. It was a knee explosion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he had a similar injury in Georgia. I don't think he tore his ACL in that injury. He tore the MCL, the PCL and the LCL.


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[Assistant] And, again, he's watching the game, he's not actually looking at Nick Chubb, but he says there's no chance he didn't tear at least two ligaments, minimum. Minimum two ligaments. I would say, I would be surprised if anything is intact. Yeah, yeah. To me it looked like a complete knee dislocation. It looked like Willis McGahey, right? It did. That's exactly what it looked like.


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[Assistant] Talked about on this show how I've torn three ACLs, but the first time I tore it, I tore everything. It was a complete knee dislocation. I needed microfracture surgery. I tore the ACL, the MCL, and the PCL. The doctor, my surgeon actually told me


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[Assistant] Essentially what's keeping my, the bottom half of my leg on my body was my skin. Cool.


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[Assistant] Everything that could be torn in the knee was completely torn. I have never felt like the same human being since that point. I've torn the ACL subsequently twice post surgery after the first injury. My doctor said,


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[Assistant] I ask all the people that tear everything, what was the sensation?


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[Assistant] It felt like I put my leg on a railroad track and a train ran over it.


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[Assistant] When you stop, and I think Nick went through that, you heard the two screams. I said immediately when I heard the first scream, I said, I know what that scream is. I know exactly what that scream is. I hadn't seen the replay yet. I didn't really know at real speed how bad it was.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, uhm, it's devastating. Uh, I want to start this morning by saying, the pain that we feel, the pain that the fan base feels.


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[Assistant] I was gutted. I almost didn't want to watch the rest of the game. It was hard. It was one of the only times the Browns have scored a go ahead touchdown that I didn't cheer. I was still in shock from watching what I saw.


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[Assistant] As much as it hurts us, just imagine what Nick Chubb is going through this morning.


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[Assistant] Knowing that he may never carry a football again. The one thing that he's done his whole life that he loves more than anything else. He may never do that again. So the loss that we're feeling over an L in the column


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[Assistant] Is, we have to, sometimes we forget the human side of this game.


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[Assistant] Nick is an incredible human being. For anyone that's ever met him, talked to him, come across his path, you know what he is. He's humble. He's hardworking.


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[Assistant] And unfortunately, uhm, my biggest fear was that we're gonna have to watch this guy put on a gold jacket one day.


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[Assistant] The way we had to watch Joe in that he never had any team success. He was a great individual player and despite his greatness.


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[Assistant] There weren't enough around him to elevate the team to the level that we all wanted him to go to. So that, I wanted to get that off my chest first.


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[Assistant] Nick, we're thinking about you. Uh, this is, this is, uh, not the end of the world. It might, it might be the end of your Brown's career. It might be the end of your football career, but, uh, you're a young man with all kinds of gifts and it's not the end of the world. Things we learned. Pittsburgh is Pittsburgh. They have less talent.


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[Assistant] There isn't an expert that I talked to in the last 24 hours that told me they would take Pittsburgh's talent over our talent. To a man, everybody I talked to. Pittsburgh is the inferior team. What we learned last night is games aren't played on paper. You've got to have playmakers and


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[Assistant] What we saw last night out of the Pittsburgh defense was that they just simply wanted it more than the Browns defense. They stepped up and made big plays when they needed it. They scored two touchdowns.


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[Assistant] It's mind boggling. Pittsburgh did not have the ball deeper than the 31 yard line at any point in the game.


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[Assistant] They had a run that went through the red zone on the 71 yard touchdown catch.


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[Assistant] They lost seven yards in the entire fourth quarter, yet came from behind to win. They did that because the Browns offense is absolutely done.


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[Assistant] We were shocked and awed at home. Imagine what the players that know and love Nick Chubb were feeling in that huddle. So I'll give them a little bit of slack. But what we learned was, when you make a team one dimensional,


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[Assistant] I have my opinion and what I saw last night from the Steelers defense, every single time they took a shot at TJ Watts face, he had the same expression on his face. He was about to take what you have.


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[Assistant] Okay, well I'm not, I didn't say he played better. What I'm saying is, Bull, there's no, there's no way that we could, there's no stat to measure effort. You gotta do that with your eyes.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I thought the Browns effort defensively was just as good. Listen, the effort by the Browns defense was phenomenal. Yeaah. It was, it was unbelievable. What was lacking though, and this is what wins divisional games, was the big play.


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[Assistant] They had an interception which they took over on the 19 yard line. You know what they did on offense? Pass, pass, pass, miss field goal. What I'm saying here is...


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[Assistant] The defense knew, and by the way, to rub insult into injury, this offense that we couldn't wait to see.


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[Assistant] Everybody was like, wait until you see this. We're going to pull the blanket off of this offense and everybody in the room is going to lose their breath for 15 seconds. TJ Watt said after the game.


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[Assistant] We knew exactly what play they were running on the strip sack fumble.


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[Assistant] I don't think the Steel's defense played any better than the Browns. They just got two touchdowns. I didn't say they did. I said they made the big play. I would say.


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[Assistant] No, but I remember, I remember when the Buccaneers beat the Eagles, or excuse me, the Raiders in the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] It was funny because talking to all of the Tampa Bay defenders after the game, they all said,


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[Assistant] The biggest surprise to us was Bill Callahan didn't change John Gruden's verbiage to the offense. Can you imagine that? Callahan took over for the Raiders after John left Tampa, or Oakland went to Tampa.


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[Assistant] Derek Brooks, Rodney Barber, Warren Sapp, they all said the same thing. They said he was at the line. Rich Gannon was at the line calling out their play calls and they're looking around like, we know what that is.


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[Assistant] Without going deeper into specifics, on that play, we knew exactly what was coming. Oh, on that play. Like, now look, there's obviously...


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[Assistant] There's a myriad of plays you can run. I'm guessing that from the formation, from what they saw,


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[Assistant] That's how they knew. They didn't know before the play was called. You can't. But when they saw everybody line up, TJ said, we've got it. We know what this is and we know how to beat it. And they did it. And to me, and I guess this is my last point, this offense that was billed as wait until you see it,


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[Assistant] I don't know what Kevin Stefanski has over the Cincinnati Bengals. Outside of that, he's what, six games under 500 for his career?


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[Assistant] There was one- Hey, we gotta see more. It's been one- Well, I've seen enough of the coach. I've seen enough of that.


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[Assistant] We're here to talk about what happened. And part of that is the emotion of what happened. And for you to say in 1119, after one of the most devastating losses this team has had,


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[Assistant] I'm not saying get over the loss. I'm saying, my point is, we can't, it sucks that Nick Chubb got hurt, but if we're wallowing in the crying and the sadness, we can't.


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[Assistant] Fine, I'm talking to myself, but fine, here's my point. To me as a fan, it was the third most sad feeling I had about an injury in my life.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And then Carson Palmer getting his knee blown out in the playoffs against the Steelers. You know what I was surprised by? In the regular season, I am, I'm telling you, Cubs, Bengals,


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[Assistant] This is the most upset I was about an injury last night. And I was upset all night. I felt the same way you guys did. And I don't care who doesn't believe me.


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[Assistant] This fan base is as resilient a fan base as there is in the world. How do I know that? Because no fan base has been beat up more. But here's what I'll say about, about, about this whole thing. When it happened, the initial feeling was, oh my God, I don't know how we reach our season's goals.


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[Assistant] I imagine they are in the process right now of making it so we can put that behind us.


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[Assistant] Not that if it happened to someone else, it would be different, but because this guy, he is one of the most beloved athletes we've ever had. He deserves.


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[Assistant] To win something of, of value. He deserves to stand on a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And as you said before, the worst thought is, that's his last touches of brown. If that happens, which might very well, that's just the worst.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb and Adrian Peterson are similar in their natural physiques and their ridiculous strength, their greatness. On the Kevin Stefanski thing, like you said, sample size, I don't know who shared this, I had seen it before, uhm, and I meant to bookmark it when I went back to look for it, I couldn't find it, but Mike sent it to the group this morning and I'll read it.


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[Assistant] The Browns are 1-23 under Kevin Stefanski in games they trailed by four plus points in the fourth quarter. That's since, since he's become the head coach.


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[Assistant] Since his first season in 2020, that's the second worst winning percentage, which is


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[Assistant] He's only won 4% of the games in which he's trailed by 4 points or more in the 4th quarter.


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[Assistant] How do you explain that against one of the yardstick teams in the conference, not the division, in the conference, he's what? 6-1? What is his record against Cincinnati? I think it's 6-1.


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[Assistant] That the drawing of the plays is the biggest problem. It's the execution that has been the issue. But haven't you seen a lack of creativity? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but to me when I look at the offense I'm like, where's the creativity?


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[Assistant] And you need a yard. And Chubb was still in the game at that point.


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[Assistant] I just don't get why you're trying to dazzle and razzle and fool the room. But in the end, they got the first down and Watson fumbled. They did get the first down and Watson fumbled. But by the way, he barely got the first down. What I'm saying is, if I have those pieces and I know what the situation is, it's third and one.


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[Assistant] Did you guys watch the Amazon game on Thursday, by the way? I meant to bring this up Friday and I don't think I did. Did you watch the channel? They have a dedicated channel now to the All 22.


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[Assistant] I like that. It's a really interesting watch. Now I will say it's hard to watch the whole game that way.


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[Assistant] It's the same audio feed as, so you still hear Al Michaels and Kirk Curb Street. So when you hit Amazon and you go to their load page, there's three options. One is the live regular broadcast that we're used to. The middle one is Spanish broadcast and the one on the far right


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[Assistant] I can't wait to watch a Browns game that way because you're right. What I learned from watching a full game like that live.


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[Assistant] So there were a couple possessions that they started inside the 10 that went to a third long and twice he made.


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[Assistant] 2 or 3 really nice throws. The good quarterbacks, like almost all their throws are good throws, even if they don't, even if they're not completed. The show, go ahead on the show, Watts, because you really haven't talked about him yet. I think Mike Watts, go ahead Mike.


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[Assistant] And let me, let me correct something that I've heard a lot of people say in the last 24 hours.


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[Assistant] The pick six to start the game and tell me that... That's not his fault. It's not a good throw, Ty. That's not his fault. Ty, that was not a good throw. We gotta call that playoff on Ty Borg.


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[Assistant] Indirectly, from Deshaun Watson's hands to the Steelers end zone, twice.


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[Assistant] I gotta tell you guys. And by the way, let's, let's, before we even talk about that, think about the four guys ahead of him. Rookie, rookie, second year, uh, first year starter.


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, that's correct. Or about a full season because Pickett played like eight, nine games. Right, but then you throw in love. Yeaah. He started two and the rookies have started two. Right. So that's 14 games. Just under a season worth of games. And Deshaun Watson is at the bottom of the pile. Here's really the question that I have.


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[Assistant] He said, well, did you read Florio? And I didn't. But he, he responded that Florio wrote a column that he, that Deshaun could be looking at a one game suspension for pushing the official.


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[Assistant] Someone else had made a good point and said maybe this is Brady 2.0. Because remember, when Brady came in for the Patriots,


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[Assistant] It was, he was coming in for Drew Bledsoe. Drew Bledsoe, if I'm not mistaken, if my memory is right, Bledsoe had just signed the first $100 million contract. So he was what Deshaun Watson is now. It was unthinkable that you would bring a rookie


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[Assistant] In to replace Drew Bledsoe. They won the Super Bowl that year and Drew Bledsoe never got his job back.


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[Assistant] I should show you my text chain with my buddy. I said exactly the same thing. As much as I want. And you know what? After watching Deshaun Watson the whole game last night, particularly in the fourth quarter, watching him just melt down and look like a deer in headlights.


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[Assistant] Based on that, this team's going nowhere with number four. No matter how good the defense is. No matter if Jonathan Taylor comes down. No. No matter if Orlando Pace can magically be recreated as a 23 year old and come in at left tackle. You're not winning with him at quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, I wonder, I got sacked a million times there. Uh, on the number of completions, or excuse me, attempts in the 2020 season, where did Deshaun Watson rank?


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[Assistant] Okay, because I went to look that up yesterday because we had a conversation yesterday about his numbers and...


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[Assistant] Sometimes numbers can be fool's gold, especially when you're leading a 4-12 team. A lot of times, those games are blowouts. It's not like he didn't put a huge number to two years before that. Not as big as 2020 though. 2020 was his year.


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[Assistant] Phil O'Brien was the coach then, wasn't he? He was.


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[Assistant] See, what I've, what I've maintained and I have no evidence because I didn't go back and look at any of those box scores, any of those play-by-play sheets, I just know that typically when a team is 4 and 12, they're not very good.


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[Assistant] A lot, nothing behind us. So a lot of that.


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[Assistant] You can't just pick one guy out for that. No, I can't, I can't. But what I'm saying is,


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[Assistant] Those numbers are on their own. Yeah. Are very impressive. Very impressive. The number of touchdowns, the number of yards, his completion percentage was incredible.


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[Assistant] Obviously we know in the fourth quarter teams are giving you the underneath stuff, you better complete those passes. But, take those same numbers.


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[Assistant] True, but the 12 and 4 team probably also has better talent around them than that Houston team did. And I agree with you to some degree, without looking at every game individually.


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[Assistant] He said to me this morning, I am petrified that he is just, that he's Tiger Woods.


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[Assistant] That Tiger Woods personal life got ruined and he was never the same. That's interesting. Tiger did have some significant injuries too. He did. Certainly. Which made it even more complicated. But Watson has had injuries in his career. And Bull. I haven't thought that. Mentally done.


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[Assistant] He will never get his confidence back completely to where it was. And I hope he's wrong. The fact that those dollars are guaranteed, too, gives him the biggest safety net in the world.


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[Assistant] That's the mantra for the rest of the season. He's got to carry the team. All the eyes. We're the offense. We know the defense is out of this world.


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[Assistant] And you made a strong case because I've always been open to that. But then you started saying, go look at all the greats. Now there are exceptions. Of course, 31 was your life. He's over 31.


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[Assistant] Before we get to the fact that Deshaun Watson is broken.


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[Assistant] I heard, I heard someone say on the, uh, on, it was either, uh, ESPN or NFL Network this morning, maybe they should think about switching the two and putting Wills back to his natural right tackle. You can't do that. You cannot. Wasn't Dewan the left tackle? No, he was the right tackle. You don't have a true left tackle on this team.


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[Assistant] Oh, so you, so actually drew more yards per game in the close games? Yes. Okay.


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[Assistant] I mean, what, the whole idea here of ESPN and ESPN2 is you can put on multiple shows at the same time.


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[Assistant] It's news and information, and that's SportsCenter. First take is opinion.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, but you guys are certainly going to discuss afterwards what we've seen, so we're going to put it on. And I just remember I don't ever think I felt more


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[Assistant] And the networks carried it live. And ESPN carried it live. And ESPN too carried it live.


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[Assistant] And they made that man grovel about his worst personal decision of his life. And I remember in the moment thinking, can you imagine having to do that?


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[Assistant] Instantly. Nike. All of them. We're done. So imagine


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[Assistant] After making the worst personal decision of your life that literally was the tag pull that made your ball of life come unraveled, you have to stand in front of hundreds of cameras and repent.


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[Assistant] And say I made an awful decision. I cheated on my wife. There was a physical altercation. I wrecked my car. I was using prescription drugs at the time and wasn't of the sound mind. And he answered questions. And I remember in the moment thinking,


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[Assistant] This is the grossest thing I've ever watched. Why is it that we, we, we have to have that satisfaction as consumers, that we have to see this man fall on his sword in public?


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[Assistant] Wasn't Tiger Woods, but it wasn't far off. No, and now again, you were right, Tiger had some injuries and also Tiger was older and further along in his career than Watson. But he was still like 30. And for a golfer that's, he's a young man. But the mental, you never know. Talk about


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[Assistant] If I may psychoanalyze you for a second, because I'm very similar. I'm not to the point that you are, but I believe in myself way more than anybody should believe in themselves. But I also will say this, and I'll admit this, there's a part of me


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[Assistant] There was a piece of me that was insecure. Yeaah. And the way I hid that was saying was being you.


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[Assistant] That you were not an imposter, that you belong by saying it out loud in front of other people.


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[Assistant] That mentally they just couldn't overcome that. That hurdle was too much to cross.


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[Assistant] Have you guys ever seen an injury where the network refused to show the replay? Did they show the Thiesman? Remember Thiesman? Ha! Over and over again.


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[Assistant] Not all of them. If there was a trend, the offensive guys did not like the hit.


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[Assistant] Because it's one thing to hit the player low to try to bring him down, but there was an absolute intentional... After the hit, he rolled over.


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[Assistant] I hate to say it like that. I hate to say it like that, but that's what it is. I wasn't there, I texted with two people that were this morning and they both said, they're both bronze fans, they both said the same thing. Steeler fans, for the most part, they heard people saying things around them, but it was drowned out by the overwhelming chant for Chubb. Yea, that was classy.


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[Assistant] Very classy, and I want to give Steelers fans some credit. I, Steelers fans, oddly enough, will always have a special place in my heart, because when the last game happened between the Steelers and the Browns, at Three Rivers,


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[Assistant] Steelers fans stood up and gave the Browns a standing ovation after the game as they were leaving the field.


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[Assistant] They knew that the Browns-Steeler's rivalry for all intents and purposes was gone. There was no indication at that point that the Browns were ever going to come back. Was Rooney one of the two that voted against the move?


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[Assistant] But I just remember that ever since that day, I just thought, you know what? Steelers fans get it. They get it. And I thought the way they were chanting Chubb, I thought that was pretty special.


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[Assistant] And uhm, they even commented on the broadcast last night. It was a classy act by students. By the way, on an unrelated note, real quick before we get back, because I know you want to talk about running back options, how about, I know we mentioned, I think we may have mentioned the stat itself, but not that it was a record. Once again, the Browns are part of a dubious record, guys. Oh yeaah, I heard this.


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[Assistant] At the end of the day. Actually, I want Bull to give that number that Steve sent to chat.


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[Assistant] Is that we did hear some things that it didn't end well between the Browns and him.


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[Assistant] And see what they got in Jerome Ford. And if, and if Watson plays better, where they, where you feel like maybe you're a legit contender again, cause he's playing like a real quarterback.


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[Assistant] You can't let two punks roll inside the five yard line, essentially. You know what? Uh, I'm gonna generalize here. The talent that this regime has brought in, way more misses than hits. Way more.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I, I gave Andrew Berry I think a C when we talked about it before. Uhm, I'm still gonna stick with that for now. Specifically look at the wide receivers that they've drafted.


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[Assistant] Well drafted, yeaah, I mean so far. Yeaah, when I said brought in.


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[Assistant] I still think as a wide receiver, DPJ has been good value as a 6th round pick. I mean, he's a 6th round pick. He's serviceable. I mean, how many 6th round- But they've had 2 3rd round picks that everybody in the league is scratching their head at. Right. But David Bell actually played a decent game yesterday. He did. He played a couple of nice blocks. Tillman hasn't done anything yet. Tillman is on a milk carton. Uhm, that's true.


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[Assistant] The only positive thing I can say about the passing game last night, guys, is Amari Cooper. Right?


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[Assistant] That was the only other guy I'd give a good grade for their performance yesterday. Elijah Moore was awful. David Najoku was awful and fumbled.


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[Assistant] Uh, Deshaun Watson, three turnovers. Absolutely atrocious. And by the way, I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me here. And I don't care. I'm not talking about injuries, by the way.


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[Assistant] I wanted to get the asses beat up, and it didn't happen, unfortunately. But anyway, what I was going to say is...


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[Assistant] I can't remember now. I'm so fired up about this. The idiots that were accusing me of being the reason Nick Chubb got hurt. One of the flashpoints we've had today was the offensive play calling. You disagree with me. I mean, and I, I just, I just don't know what the play call is.


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[Assistant] You changed, now I know you brought in a lot of new players, but it's clear their attack and their approach is night and day.


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[Assistant] On the Taki Taki sack, like that never happens last year, because Joe Woods never sends a linebacker.


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[Assistant] I've seen plays by the defense this year where I can say, yeah, obviously the talent's better, but they weren't running that last year. No, that's a fact. So the defensive coordinator has his fingerprints


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[Assistant] He's embracing, and they even said this afterwards, the Dion Sanders.


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[Assistant] Because of the change, we're seeing an entirely different DNA on the defense. A different attitude.


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[Assistant] Everything. It's an attitude. And the coach brought that. You always hear that the players take on the personality of their head coach. Yes. We've seen now into the fourth season of Kevin Stefanski as the head coach.


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[Assistant] We know what the offense looks like with four different quarterbacks in it. We've seen it. Generally looks exactly the same. Pieces have come, pieces have gone. They added pieces. I have seen enough of Kevin Stefanski.


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[Assistant] I'm not sold that he's a bad play caller or a bad offensive coordinator. Here's what I'm sold on. This ain't it. I know it when I see it. And it ain't it.


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[Assistant] And so, like the defense, wasn't it? What'd we do? We went out, we made a big change at the top.


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[Assistant] Jim Schwartz is obviously a better defensive coordinator, and I think even with last year's talent, Jim Schwartz would have done a better job. But the idea that, oh, he completely turned it around on his own, no.


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[Assistant] He's part of it. No, I would never let anybody get away with saying that. That's why I said they added some really nice pieces on defense. Right. Now, the linebacking core is the same.


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[Assistant] Iron Eagles are good. I talked to him on the Browns radio. Iron Eagles are the best and the most marvelous human being.


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[Assistant] I still have to see more because two games, you can't, you don't have the whole picture of two games. Alright, now.


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[Assistant] The Bengals, they play great against the Bengals. We know Burroughs not completely healthy, but you know me, I don't make excuses. You're on the field, you gotta play. The Steelers offense, in my opinion, is absolute trash.


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[Assistant] It's trash. Kenny Pickett again showed me nothing.


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[Assistant] I was impressed by Pickens, but nobody else. They should be playing Jaylen Warren, I think, more than Najee. Najee stinks.


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[Assistant] I'm buying in, I gotta see more before I'm ready to say they're the best defense or the second best defense. I gotta see more than two games. But I'm buying in that their floor of what they are is pretty high. That I'm buying into. So, and I know that you always say, well, I gotta see more. Everybody's gotta see more.


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[Assistant] Two divisional opponents allowed a total of 15 points.


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[Assistant] They got to turn the ball over. Now they did have the pick at the 19 yard line and the offense vomited down there.


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[Assistant] I've only got two games to judge that on, and the Pittsburgh offense is terrible, but they look great against a Cincinnati offense that did not struggle.


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[Assistant] Not nearly as much. Yes, that's correct. So what, but here's my problem with the defense.


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[Assistant] And I'm using the sliding scale here. I'm looking at Myles Garrett. I'm told he's the best defensive player in the NFL. He did not play well enough yesterday. I thought he played great in the first game.


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[Assistant] He had a great game. He always plays great against Cincinnati. He does. He's gotta be more consistent. He is the fancy of Cincinnati's number. But here's the problem that I have with this defense.


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[Assistant] He made plays that made me say, and by the way, he was gassed.


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[Assistant] But when the ball was snapped, it was like he got a recharged battery and shot out of a cannon. He made big plays in big moments. And my thing against Miles Garrett is this. I know you can do it.


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[Assistant] I know that you are on a talent scale in the top five defensive players in the NFL. I need you to raise your game.


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[Assistant] My Hall of Fame player step up and make


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[Assistant] Huge plays when the game is in the balance. I've seen him do that a number of times in his career. I need to see it consistently. Every time I watch TJ Watt, I'm just, I'm watching this guy saying, this guy doesn't quit. He's the Energizer Bunny.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're not stuck with anybody. You're stuck with a financial problem. Yeah. And you have to replace it. That's true. You're spending over 20 million next year on Jedrick Wills and Jack Conklin and tackle. My god.


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[Assistant] I never really, when you said that, that hit me in the heart like a sledgehammer. We're spending 20 million dollars next year on Wills and Conklin.


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[Assistant] And he just stopped. Watch him stop the fumble. All the other offensive linemen go running after. At least making an effort. Jed just stops. Even Joe Batonio from the left side comes running his big body over.


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[Assistant] What do you mean? You want to make the playoffs. So that's it.


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[Assistant] We could argue whether you could win a Super Bowl with Jedrick Wills. Here's what I know for sure.


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[Assistant] When they lost Aaron Rodgers. And the reason I say I don't think it's as traumatic because the quarterback is obviously it.


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[Assistant] But I, I, I felt their pain in that we just lost our best offensive player. And we got a great defense. And by the way, the Jets defense did not answer the bell. No. In week two.


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[Assistant] And I hope that we don't see a similar rub off and decline with the Browns defense because now they'll have.


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[Assistant] Six days for this to sink in before they play again. Five days, really. And there's no excuse because Tennessee's a one-dimensional team. Ryan Tannen is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. Their whole offense is Derrick Henry. Give the stat that Steve sent the group about passing defense.


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[Assistant] So Justin Herbert, who's good, Derek Carr. Derek Carr, since last year, has looked like, I know they won, and the same.


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[Assistant] No. Rushing for even both teams combined. The leading rusher in that game.


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[Assistant] You guys know it? I didn't look at that box store.


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[Assistant] He might have a clause in there with his escalator, but that ain't ever happening. Doesn't he feel like Gruden coming back years later a little bit? Yes.


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[Assistant] Would take a future Hall of Fame quarterback off the field. A lot. A lot. Yeaah. For Taysom Hill. And I always used to watch when Drew Brees was running off the field and I would just try to read his body language and he was a true professional, he never sulked or showed any. But he's gotta be thinking, really? You wanna bring me home?


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[Assistant] And lose a national championship because of it. He needed one yard.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I'm surprised Reggie Bush wasn't better in the NFL. Although if Reggie Bush had come out 10 years later, probably. Yea, the game has moved a little bit. Yea. Where, cause he was a good pass catcher too, wasn't he? Yea, he's great. Mikey has a read. Yea, Mikey.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Oh really? They wouldn't have to, you were not going to have to give up much to get can makers. Alright Mikey, what do you got? Let's hit us with the super chats.


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[Assistant] I'm not even looking at his head to head. I mean, I know that the comment was, in the games that Watt and Miles play, one player jumps off the screen. He does, no denying that.


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[Assistant] I'm looking at the entire body of work. I'm saying that I think Miles Garrett physically way more imposing. I think he has


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[Assistant] More if not the same gifts as TJ Watt.


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[Assistant] I am saying that the intangible is this and the motor and TJ is as good as it gets in the NFL for me. Okay, I'm not changing my mind on it, but let's wait till the end of the season. If TJ Watt has a better season than Myles Garrett, I will flip flop the two, but I can't do it.


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[Assistant] Look at it. And you are, man. Even worse than that. Sending trash to our group. Even worse than that. Think about the things we say to our TVs. Oh my, did you guys see, there was a video that went viral last week of a daughter who set up her phone and recorded her father who's a Steelers fan watching the game.


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[Assistant] We're all prisoners. I said things last night that I look back on this morning and I'm like, oh my god, that burns my eyes to read that now. So, fans have a grieving period that it goes through and it depends on the game. Kansas City playoff game a couple of years ago, it lasted days for me.


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[Assistant] I told him, I go, I don't know if I can watch the rest of the game. I feel physically ill. It was depressing. I literally thought I could vomit.


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[Assistant] Are we going tag board full on that? Or only half tag board?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it says, uh, Chubtown, Georgia is a...


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[Assistant] That is awesome. Chubb Town, Georgia is a historic town established in 1864. I need my glasses. Founded by Nick's ancestors, this Georgia town became self-sufficient as a result of several family-owned businesses and farms coming together during the Civil War in memory of Junior Stocks Chubb, uh, who must have died of, of... Oh, and there's a picture too. Ugh, that's horrible. Wow. Junior Stocks Chubb.


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[Assistant] I'm donating as soon as I get home today. Get on my computer and donate.


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[Assistant] Orlando Pace was the same way. He's from my hometown, so I followed his basketball career as well as his football. He took his high school basketball team to the state championship. Orlando Pace.


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[Assistant] That is very true. Very untrue. Not how to scream yet. Make good adjustments. What I was thinking of when I was watching it was this is a do-over when


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[Assistant] When Hudson was getting blown by every single play, and Baker got decked nine times, I think it was, against Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh's defensive coordinator has to be sitting up there laughing saying, God, this team doesn't make any adjustments. What I would argue is that, and yes, it's fair to criticize defense, certainly for a lack of screen game, it's been a consistent issue.


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[Assistant] And then to have Hudson, or to have Jed Wills naked.


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[Assistant] Him standing there on an island with a guy who's consistently beat him all night.