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[Assistant] I was a little bit surprised by what Jim said this week. Cause I thought he was, had a little bit of a been there done that mentality and he was content to be here.


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[Assistant] If I had to put money on it, I think he will be back here next year as the DC, but certainly if there's head coaching opportunities, he gets an opportunity to interview, he's gonna take it.


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[Assistant] I've never been a big believer in Jacksonville. I think the Browns go in there and win that game. Gardner mentioned you really move the ball on this defense.


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[Assistant] Early in the season, so that gives me a little bit of pause that, you know, that I think that's a tougher game than people would realize. And I want no part of CJ Stroud in the playoffs. If he's healthy, he's, he leaves the league, I believe, in most 300 yard games this year. He's been terrific as a rookie and that would be by far to me the hardest game for the Browns in the first round.


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[Assistant] It does matter. I don't care about the outcome. I don't care about the outcome. I care about how he plays. Score doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] You know, it's cute. It reminds me of my Muni League one, for real. The one that I got.


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[Assistant] When I was nine years old, when I got defensive MVP, it looked just like that. It was that big? Yeah, it's about the same height and everything. So that's nice. Yo, no, shout out to you, Jay, man. You did something. You got you a championship. I respect what you did there to be 53. I hope I'm able to still swing a bat and play football and do all the things that I love when I'm 53.


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[Assistant] In all seriousness, shout out to you. And I have no beef with you, but my beef is with this man that's controlling the cameras. I got serious beef with that dude. So let's pull back the curtain real quick.


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[Assistant] I'm sitting here minding my business. Steve walks up to me and he goes, hey typhus, I just want to let you know that I'm doing three sets of ten in cita, in crunches.


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[Assistant] He's selfish and don't want me to talk about the fact that I was on the medicine ball yesterday and I did my crunches on the medicine ball and my stomach was sore. That's what I was about to say.


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[Assistant] And he just, I don't know, Steve is in his feelings. So we got into this huge debate about it. He says, I'm selfish. I tell him he needs to go behind the camera where he belongs. And then, uh, yeaah, and here we are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Steve, great what you're doing. Let me know when you get to three sets of 20. I'll be impressed. If you want to impress me, Steve, jump in the air and stay there. That's what impresses me.


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[Assistant] It's not me. I don't say any lot on this show. Okay, Switzerland.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree with that. Uhm, he, I mean, when you talk about as far as winning goals, like winning meaningful games in the postseason, no. Yea, you can't.


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[Assistant] But right now, the way that they are playing, if they continue to play, you're getting, you're getting, you know, scoring and effort from everybody. And I think that's the one thing that I like.


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[Assistant] Right now it don't look like it's a weak link. When you watch them like last night, like there's nothing that they lack.


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[Assistant] You know, last year we said it was shooting. They shot three really well last night. They're getting inside.


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[Assistant] Which I feel like, you know, he gave up a good shot to give it to a greater shot. So I respect him for doing that.


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[Assistant] To me, I think he's still trying to find his role in this lineup and right now the scoring isn't there.


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[Assistant] But he is distributing the basketball in a decent fashion. I expect that to pick up. But Evan Mobley is back on track. He's getting rebounds and he's scoring inside. Uh, Jared Allen continues to still do what he's been doing. He's scoring inside the paint.


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[Assistant] You know, pieces, all the pieces that they have is finally coming together for this team. So I would say that yes, right now they are.


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[Assistant] Playing the best and right now they look like the best. Now I understand that they haven't won anything in the playoffs and we will see, but at this very moment, there's not too many teams that I think can, you know, beat them right now.


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[Assistant] I think that, the interesting one, what is, I don't know if y'all know this off the top of your head, what is Boston's starting five right now?


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[Assistant] But that's not the point though, like. It's a good option as well as anybody. I think, but what makes Boston so good is that they, their center is a five and he sits out the paint, which makes the, the rebounding aspect, and it takes their big man out of the rebound aspect.


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[Assistant] I like the fact that Mobley is still there to get rebounds. Cause it'll take, cause Tatum's really good at getting boards. But as far as defending goes, that kinda scares me.


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[Assistant] We all, Bull has sat in this very chair and said that the regular season is meaningless. Well, it's not meaningless if you use it the right way to prepare your team. Well, that's what I'm saying. They need to find out how they would match up to, what they would do. Right now you use the regular season to figure out how you would match up to that in the postseason.


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[Assistant] They've, listen, from where they were to where they are today has shown you that they have, they have the room for improvement and they've made those adjustments and you gotta think that.


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[Assistant] It's just about not getting complacent. You know, yeaah, you winning games, but over the course of those games, just things just happen in that.


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[Assistant] You know you can work on and get better at. If they really become like petty and become obsessed with trying they really get better.


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[Assistant] Then yeaah, it's another level. It's always another level. I mean, Kobe said that, go higher. You know, if you think you made it, go higher.


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[Assistant] I think when I think about this Cavs team, to me,


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[Assistant] The regular season, the post season, and anything else, I think it comes down to 3 to 4 guys. It comes down to Okoro, Wade, Mero, and Laverge.


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[Assistant] If those four guys, because the one thing that gets me is,


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[Assistant] I don't think it's somebody, outside of Tristan, there's nobody that's been there that's won it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I think that, that to me is vital. That's something that you, cause it's, I feel like that's what was missing last year. Outside of the shooting, of course, I think you just need that one veteran that's been there.


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[Assistant] Donovan drives to the hold and kicks it to him and he's there. Shoot. Don't hesitate. Yeah. Let it fly. Even when he went three for three, it still was a slight hesitation on the shot. Now, and maybe that's his thing and he got his, that's his fault. He's a slow, he's a slow jump guy, but. And then I'm just like, jeez.


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[Assistant] They used to have to give him snacks and stuff and his teammates would bring extra food for him and he would always decline and then lie and say he ate and stuff like that. Sad.


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[Assistant] I think what you just said was outstanding.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Okay, yeaah. She's talking about it, you know that. Anyways, I think that it was just so many people that didn't show up.


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[Assistant] And Darius did, so I think that kinda, right now Darius.


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[Assistant] It's looking like, uh, okay right now cause he's coming back.


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[Assistant] But I think once he figures it out and figures out his role, he does know, like, when they come push us up, you give me the ball, I can get us something. And that's important moving forward.


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[Assistant] Well 10 seconds, then we can move on. I think the best thing they did was get Tristan Thompson because last year they got bullied inside, at least Tristan


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[Assistant] Even if he isn't on the floor, he could get the fire out of them. I think that veteran move was perfect.


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[Assistant] If he turned it down, first of all, maybe he just being infa- I- Personally, I think my- your family would wanna see you in that light.


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[Assistant] You know, you going up against some big time names and you can outshine now.


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[Assistant] Like that's something nobody can take away from you to say that I won the three point shootout. Like that's, it's all good and fun, but it, it means something to some people. So I think that.


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[Assistant] You kinda did drop the ball if you did decline. I hope that this was just a joke.


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[Assistant] See Donovan, Donovan is a streaky shooter. He's one of those ones that if he's on, he really won't miss. So I think we'll know in the first two racks if he's gonna be good or not. That's how I feel.


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[Assistant] No, we do it, he said it, and he quote, he's in a quote saying, I'ma win it for him. So go ahead and put the four on.


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[Assistant] But think about this. This popularity will go through the roof. Like how Matt McClung, I think he got like a million followers last year off of the dunk. More than that, yea. Yea, like think about that. Donovan Mitchell, Donovan Mitchell said, you know what, I'm gonna help my boy get more


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[Assistant] I'm the Grinch. You need, you need one no name in there.


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[Assistant] Oh, he would have the, it would be 100 to 1. That's what I'm saying. So people would put more money down on him to win and he could make sure they have won at large.


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[Assistant] Not on that list, or maybe on the other list you could, oh no. Sure, yeaah. On the probably too pricey, which is unrealistic list, yeaah. That list? No.


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[Assistant] You better be glad that Garen isn't on this set right now. Because if he was, he would tell you, we can't afford NOT to give up, not to get none of these pieces.


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[Assistant] This, I watched the same team last year lose in the first round of the playoffs. Ain't nobody, listen, we got all these guys, we the developing, it's been cool. Dean Wade's been cool. Sam Merrill, cool story. I told y'all about Sam Merrill.


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[Assistant] That JB makes their guys, his guys play defense for 82 games or whatever it is. And by the time they got to the postseason, their legs were tired.


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[Assistant] Well, all the reasons I was going to say that was, I was going to say, since if that was a thing, you know, usually the first time you experience that, your body isn't used to it, would they be better off this year because their body should be kind of used to it. That's what I was going to say.


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[Assistant] Well the thing is, Deshaun isn't Josh Allen nor Cam Newton as far as...


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[Assistant] Size-wise and running ability, like, don't get me wrong, Deshaun runs the ball and he's great at that, but


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, he wants to be a passer. He runs because he wants to keep the chains moving. Those guys did it because they feel like they gotta put everything on them and they just wanted to make those plays. I think that it's, if you're asking Josh Allen or Cam Newton,


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[Assistant] Cam Newton is a guy that obviously if you watch one of Deshaun Watts' episodes he has a ton of respect for. He looks at him as a big brother.


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[Assistant] And I think that's the reason why the bronze ultimately went with him is because Ken Dorsey helped develop him. So I think that it would, he would like to be looked at more as a Cam Newton.


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[Assistant] I still, to me, it comes down to the playmakers around them. I think that they, they still gotta get some wide receivers for that whole thing to work, but to answer your question, Cam,


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[Assistant] If I remember, didn't Cam have good running backs, right? Jonathan Stewart and D'Angelo Williams. So I feel like they wanted to run away with, until this year, Josh Allen was the running game. So that's why it's like, to me, it's kind of there.


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[Assistant] You bring Ken Dorsey in, yes he's really good, but it's not like they're not about to do Kevin Stefanski stuff as well.


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[Assistant] Well, I told you how it works. They literally, they study the tendencies. They watch the game.


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[Assistant] And every situation is on that sheet of paper. If it's first and sec, first and second down, if it's first and ten, these is the cause. Second and seven, these is the cause. Third and fifth, five, third and ten, third, whatever. It's all there. You have a list of plays that will work for that.


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[Assistant] The next step to it is, I have to think to myself, alright, I got the call, I got the plays that I'm going to call for that situation. Now I need to know what defense is there, they're gonna run. That's the question. Because whatever defense they're gonna run, I have it on the sheet what can beat what they're gonna call.


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[Assistant] Now I need to make the right call. So that's where it gets difficult. Because if they come up, I think, okay, they're gonna run cover three, and then they run cover two, but I called the play for cover three, then I'm like, aw shoot.


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[Assistant] I think, I just think that Deshaun is a little bit, he has no choice but to be more smarter when he runs. Like he's going to run the ball, but it's literally just to get, he wants to stay ahead of the chains.


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[Assistant] He's one of those guys, unlike Josh Allen and Cam Newton, that's like, I'ma make the play happen. Like, I'ma run this and I'ma get us 10 yards or whatever it is. Deshaun is like, I might not get those 10.


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[Assistant] But calling third and two is way better than third and ten. Like that's, he's smart enough to think that. So that's where he's gonna work. But he definitely is more of a down the field guy. You know, and hopefully Nick Chubbs is back and they can do the power and he don't have to worry about running the ball anyways. But he definitely wants to throw the ball deeper down the field.


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[Assistant] If you telling me, if you telling me Deshaun coming back from this shoulder injury, he'd have put on 30 pounds, okay, we might be able to talk about something, but if you talking about that dude that y'all just showed on that picture, he ain't, he better get down.


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[Assistant] Well, the difference between, who do you, who do you remember as, as, uh, Kam Noob's receivers? Who was his big time receiver? MasterCard, wasn't it?


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[Assistant] Anyways, but I think that when you look at, see what Cam Newton was able to do with those receivers. That's fair. That's what make it like, impressive. That's totally fair. And that's what I think about the Browns receiving court outside of Amari Cooper. You got a Greg Olson and David Najoku.


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[Assistant] And you got Amari Cooper who's better than anybody that Cam Newton had outside of Steve Smith, so. Careful, you got Ted Ginn on that list.


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[Assistant] Well, he ain't got no speed. And that's the thing. Cam had a ton of speed. Philly was fast. Ted was fast. He had all this speed and Deshaun just don't have that right now. So I think about, I would like the playbook to look more like Cam's, but they gotta get some players that fit that as well.


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[Assistant] Play calls to me, defense, to be honest with you, you can really, you can run your bread and butter. If you're a good defense, you can run your bread and butter the whole game and be fine. I've been in games where we just ran straight cover one the entire game. Like if you're good, it can work.


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[Assistant] But it gets boring as players, and you become predictable.


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[Assistant] And then if you got a good offensive mind, they'll figure out, okay, he's in cover one. He gonna be in cover one the whole game. We're just gonna run one beaters. And now how are you defending it? If you ain't got your players that's good enough to...


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[Assistant] For example, if you in man to man, you gonna get bunches of stacks. And if you don't, if y'all ain't talked about working bunches of stacks or how y'all gonna work it,


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[Assistant] And you gotta be able to have an alternate out of it. You can't just say, alright, for this game, for example, we gonna run a bunch. We gonna lock the point man up, the one and the three, the corner and the inside safety. We gonna in and out one and three. So if it's three guys, he gonna lock the bunch. He go out, I'm gonna take him. He go out, he gonna take him. Like, we gonna do that.


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[Assistant] So you gotta be able to say, all right, on this play, we're going to lock it on this one or the next play, we're going in and out on this one. You gotta have so many different ways, but that's literally depends on your players. So, and that comes with the week of preparation. So that's to me where the play card don't necessarily matter. It's more about the players in that standpoint. How long?


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[Assistant] Probably like a quarter. If you get to halftime, if you can hold off to halftime and they make those adjustments, the game plan is out. Okay, I'm glad you said a joke.


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[Assistant] So, when I was in San Francisco, this was in 20, what was my last year, 2018, we played the Chargers.


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[Assistant] And the Chargers ran this, the coldest Cover 3 beater, I've never seen it before. So, in Cover 3, I wish I had a whiteboard. In Cover 3. Oh, oh, you tossed him a whiteboard? In Cover 3, they have this, uh, you know, you got the, you got hooker, you got two hookers, two buzzers. Two hookers!


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[Assistant] Two hookers, two buzzers, alright. And they was running this play where they would, it was a bunch to the outside and they would run an over route and then they'd have another receiver run behind it. Like, it was like delayed.


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[Assistant] So in this particular coverage, the over, the outside linebacker has to take the over. He has to be gone. Cause they was sending like Travis Benjamin. Gone.


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[Assistant] And they was hitting us on it. They hit us like two times on it. Let me see.


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[Assistant] Bye Steve, I'm glad you had your 15 seconds of fame. Alright, let me draw this out.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm gonna tell you why, because some people can't handle...


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[Assistant] In the game adjustments. Believe it or not, a lot of, there's not a lot of smart guys that play, you know.


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[Assistant] So let me show you, so on this play right here, this is what they was doing, the chart, this was the code of this play ever. So, if it's three by one, alright, you got your hook, you got your two hookers, you got your buzz players, and you got your corners and whatever. So this guy was running this over row, right, which takes this wheel out of the play. If he goes, he gotta take that.


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[Assistant] And we had nobody here. Cause this guy wasn't taking it. This guy was all the way over here because his running back would flare out like this and he was going up the field. So they kept hitting this hole and they was getting like 20 yards.


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[Assistant] What is they running? So we had to get to halftime and they had to tell them, like, hey.


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[Assistant] That's what they did. Alright, so this is how we gotta adjust. Same thing with like Amari Cooper, drawing routes up in the dirt. All week he said, I'ma get double team. I don't know how they gonna double team me. They might in and out me. They might high low me. I don't know.


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[Assistant] He gets to the game, he sees, okay, this is what they're doing, let's run this and this should work.


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[Assistant] So why aren't more teams running that play? Cause you put it on, so this is the thing.


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[Assistant] When you put it on film, teams are gonna run the play until you stop it. We stopped it the next game.


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[Assistant] It depends. It depends. It's a copycat league. So what they literally do is they find out what beat you. What did you struggle with the week before? And they're gonna say, alright, we're gonna install that in. Cause to see if you fixed it. If you fixed it, then we'll take it out. But if you didn't, we're gonna hit you with it all game. So that's pretty much how it works.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you don't know what play he's calling. You can see the whole sheet. But as long as you don't see what play he's calling, you don't know.


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[Assistant] We'll talk it out in a sec. I don't mind the overall Pacheco because they're not a good zone defensive team which is wild to me. I was going to take the under on Deebo Samuel.


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[Assistant] Nah, that's not gonna, no. Yeah, heck yeah. See, last time they, first of all, you gotta remember this team, these guys, they got history.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the last time San Francisco had this game won because they coined this phrase that we gonna play everything high and make him check everything down. And then you know why? You know why they had to do that? Because Tyree Hill was there. They don't have that guy.


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[Assistant] Our defensive line is gonna get home. Nick Bosa is probably gonna get there. We got Javon Hargreaves. Our defensive line is pretty good. They're gonna win more times than that.


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[Assistant] So, we need to get the, so in their mind, the Chief's mind, they're gonna think they don't have enough time to run those deep routes because they don't have a lot of guys that run deep routes. So they're gonna run the ball? So they're either gonna run the ball or they're gonna throw... Quick passes? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Essentially. Now don't get me wrong, they're going to throw some deep ball, they're going to try to get some protection and try to run some stuff and they'll probably be Kelsey or Rashid Rice, but that's not going to be the game plan, I don't think.


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[Assistant] This gon' be one of them games. This game right here is gon' make or break Kyle Shanahan.


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[Assistant] He loses this one. He already went up big and lost him twice and he's gonna lose the third. It just ain't gonna happen for him, so.


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[Assistant] He going all out for this one. It's definitely going to be a close game.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't think he gonna get a hundred. I think he'd get a hundred total yards. Well that's the thing, his ability to catch passes out of the backfield makes him such.


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[Assistant] He coming off of an injury, they ain't gonna make him put, they ain't gonna put him in that position. Earl, you like the Diva Wunder. That's the only reason, he asked me why would I like it.


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[Assistant] Devo Samuel had three carries last game for seven yards against the Detroit.


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[Assistant] But I have to say, I think I've never been to Vegas because everything that happens in Vegas, I don't do.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll tell you what, I watched The Express and I, I love Ernie Davis. I love watching the movie and all of those things. Obviously, I wasn't alive for it. Uhm, I do feel like I, I was, I'm sad that he had leukemia because him and Jim Brown in the same backfield. Whoo-wee! I mean, Jim Brown was already...


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[Assistant] Tearing the league up at that point, just imagine Ernie Davis there as well. So I felt we got robbed in that. But, you know, he had a really good career, especially at Syracuse.


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[Assistant] Having to overcome some of the things he had to overcome, you know, first of all, you get to Syracuse, Jim Brown was the man.


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[Assistant] He also deal with a lot of stuff back at that time, just being a black dude. You know, y'all know how it is. And...


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[Assistant] He kept his mouth closed, didn't really stir up anything, had a good career, broke barriers down, made it possible for young African Americans to have somebody to look up to and be like, look.


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[Assistant] Well, I can win the Heisman. You know, even though I'm black, I can win the Heisman. He was able to make young kids feel they have the right to do those things, so he's a pioneer in this thing for me, and I just sure wish he had a chance to play for Cleveland.


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[Assistant] It's unbelievable. I mean, I watched, like I said, I watched the movie and like I said, I don't, obviously it's a movie, but it was something that they were, they stayed at a hotel.


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[Assistant] His coach kept taking him out on the goal line. He would run the ball down to the goal line, and if he didn't score, they'd take him out and put the white kid in so he could score. And he was like, why you doing that? And he was like...


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[Assistant] That don't fly down here in the south. And he like took it upon himself to not come out of the game and run it in himself. And it was fine.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, he was, he used to, so when, oh Saturdays, you know, cause you can't do


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[Assistant] Go to church on Sunday so they bring the chapel in on Saturday nights. Call it Saturday night, get your heart right. And Russell Wilson always ran the thing.


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[Assistant] And he would always be in there and he would just all... Seattle was like the best, like, religious side where they, everybody was just...


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[Assistant] Religious in there and it was a good experience, but he was always in there. He'd be crying, emotional about the stuff. He would always open up and talk about how he was a terrible husband and stuff like that. Real genuine dude, man. Real good dude.


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[Assistant] I just, all these guys have gotten head coaching jobs. Crazy.


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[Assistant] I mean, listen, when you look at their resume, it's the first thing. Like, you know, usually they put their name and where they went to school. I coached Tigers 5.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. That's McNuggets on this show. Not true. McNuggets is the most popular one out of everybody. Not true.


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[Assistant] No, you know, the wildest thing I've seen, it wasn't Draymond, it was Ron Artest when he elbowed James Harden and knocked him out.


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[Assistant] Welcome one and all. It is the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show on WKYC. And for the first time ever, we can say we are doing this show with the Browns, a playoff team. Yes, they clinched the playoffs yesterday. We're going to talk all about it here today on Channel 3 WKYC. Amongst the things we'll talk about,


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[Assistant] I'm going to tell you why I think Myles Carrott locked up the Defensive Player of the Year award. Tyvis. I'm Tyvis.


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[Assistant] Guys, the Cleveland Browns are 11 and 5 and we've gone through the litany of things that they have had to overcome this year. Of all the things they've had to overcome this year, what is the most shocking to you? Is there one thing?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they've gone from a loser mentality to a winner ment- winning mentality.


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[Assistant] This team expects to win. For years we've been either following this team or covering this team.


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[Assistant] And it felt like they always found a way to lose. This year, they always find a way to win. You know, and even early in the season when they lost that game, that weird game of the Steelers, it still felt like, oh, same old Browns. But ever since then, it has been a totally different feeling to this team, and no matter who gets hurt.


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[Assistant] And Tybus, you said it, I don't know if you said this earlier in the week or it was last week.


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[Assistant] You made a good point and I think it's dead on. The Browns have had to deal with so many injuries that for other teams now that haven't dealt with the injuries, if they lose a guy in game, it's like they fall apart. Yep.


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[Assistant] We saw that last week with Houston. Like they lost a couple guys on defense, they completely cratered. With the Browns, it's...


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco throws for over 300 yards again. Almost all of that, the offense was kind of non-existent in the second half, but the game was put away. They didn't even run that many plays in the second half. But that first half, guys, Jason, I mean,


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[Assistant] With Noah Mari Cooper and then eventually Elijah Moore getting hurt. For him to put up 296 yards against one of the best secondaries in the league was just mind blowing.


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[Assistant] You mentioned a joku, you know, we talked about earlier on YouTube about is he now with the elite titans in the league?


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[Assistant] And, you know, those guys have done it for more years, so maybe, maybe not, but he's playing as well as anybody right now. Here's the one thing, he's probably the best in football.


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[Assistant] And, like, not only is he big and strong, but he's such a great athlete. And to have a, like, how many tight ends are great athletes and also big or strong? Can catch the ball and can also block real well. There's not a lot of guys like that.


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[Assistant] How much fun, like this has got to be, I, listen, the 2020 season was fun. I don't mean to diminish what the Browns did that year, what Baker did that year, what Samantha did, but because there was no fans in the games, it just wasn't the same. This has got to be the most fun Brown season in decades.


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[Assistant] No doubt the most fun, and if they can make any kind of run in the playoffs, it's gonna be a whole nother level. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] The whole town's going nuts for this guy. He is beloved.


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[Assistant] And uh, did you see that, you guys see that clip after the game? CJ Mosley, who also played with him with the Jets, played with him with the Ravens, comes up to him and he's like,


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[Assistant] This is cra- like basically like, this is crazy! They hate- I can't remember exactly what he said, but he was basically like, they're cheering for you! Cleveland fans!


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[Assistant] And kudos to the offensive line playing much better the last two weeks. Flacco has not been sacked two weeks in a row. They created some huge holes in the running game. If you go back and look at the Kareem on touchdown.


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[Assistant] It was, uh, parting of the, of the sea there. It was unbelievable. They're doing a great job. Alright, we've still got a lot to get to here on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. When we come back, Miles Garrett, has he locked up the play, defensive player of the year? I believe so.


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[Assistant] Welcome back, it's a Browns clinching the playoff edition.


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[Assistant] Guys, uh, Miles Garrett obviously has been in contention for the Defensive Player of the Year award. Last night, he, he ended a sackless drought of four games. He had one.


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[Assistant] I think he had, I think he had like 11 pressures in this game, some ridiculous number. He was in the backfield, he's playing against McKay-Beckton who outweighs him by like 100 pounds. But he was, I mean, they did a great job of showing him getting leverage.


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[Assistant] I thought he was outstanding last night. He looked back to his normal self. Do you guys believe that he locked down the defensive player of the year award last night?


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[Assistant] In my mind, this is a no-brainer. I think Miles Garrett has clearly been the best defensive player this year, whether he plays in the last game or not. He's had a tremendous season. Uh, he get, even with


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[Assistant] A much improved defensive line. He still gets double teamed way more than anybody else. Because everybody in the league knows he is the scariest guy you have to face.


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[Assistant] And that's no disrespect to TJ Watt. He's a great player and teams care about him. But he is not the dominant force. If you put those guys in the exact same situation, Miles Garrett's gonna come out on top. And I saw some, some guy I never heard of who writes for the USA Today.


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[Assistant] Say, well, you know, TJ Watts got two more sacks, and TJ Watts got seven more tackles, and he scored a touchdown.


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[Assistant] By the way, that touchdown he scored against the Browns, the ball just popped to him. It wasn't like he made that play. Alex Heisman made the play. The point is, and I saw Steve Palazzolo, pro, pro, pro, folk, he said, so these guys play a thousand plays or whatever, whatever, however many plays, and you're saying because he has two more sacks and three more tackles, there's so much more to look at.


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[Assistant] That he gets double-T more than anyone else. He is a wrecking ball of a player. He should definitely win Defensive Player of the Year.


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[Assistant] And last time on the broadcast, he was using next gen stats, which is another...


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[Assistant] You know, analytics based program and he just dominates in all these areas.


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[Assistant] I don't know who's ultimately gonna win it. I think it should be Miles Garrett. According to FanDuel, we had the numbers up there before. He's an overwhelming favorite at this point. He really stood out and he's, you know, I don't, the idea that you have to give it to the best player on the best defense, I don't necessarily agree with that. He happens to be the best player on the best defense.


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[Assistant] I think give it to him because he's the best player, not just because the brown defense is the best.


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[Assistant] By the way, real quick, we talked about how he could win Defensive Player of the Year, Stefanski can win Coach of the Year, Joe Flacco. I know they're gonna give it to Demar Hamlin. I don't know, I'm not so sure. Which they shouldn't. I'm not so sure.


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[Assistant] We are handing out our game bowl with the ultimate Cleveland sports show on WKYC returns next.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we didn't mention that today. Condolence is obviously to Myles Garrett. It's tough. He talked about his mom, you know, decided that he should play.


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[Assistant] We're glad he did, but we feel everybody feels terrible for him and his family.


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[Assistant] My game ball goes to who else? Joe Flacco, baby! The guy against the Jets, the second best pass defense in the league at 38 years old without his best receiver. Threw for 296 first half yards. Went over 300 for the game again. He's been phenomenal. Take that game ball, Joe. Jason?


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[Assistant] Love a good kiss up to the fans, Mike. Way to go. Thanks to everybody for watching here at WKYC. Look for us on YouTube, of course. We love you all. Playoffs are coming. Happy New Year! We'll see you next week, right here on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show.


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[Assistant] And even when some guys are waiting in the wing or, you know, they're in their first year or second year, listen, everybody wants to play. You know, there's always a little bit of pace to that. Even the way I came in this year, you know, it's like,


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[Assistant] You're walking into a room where everybody in there had played, had started football games. So they have to, you know, we all probably have to put our egos aside at some point, and even though we feel like we should be the ones playing,


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[Assistant] So even with that room where the one guy is playing, like, at the end of the day, guys do a really good job because


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[Assistant] You know, we want to see those guys go out there and be successful. Even if, even if we still, even if we feel like we're the guy and we could be the guy, you still want to see, uh, your teammate and your friend go out there and play good football.


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[Assistant] They've covered the gamut on these guys, right? Like they've really spread a wide net, which you want to do in this instance. You want to talk to a bunch of different people as many people as possible, steal ideas from whoever. Uh, the Johnson thing, I mean, he's been up for head coaching interviews in this cycle. He interviewed with the Titans and the Falcons, I think.


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[Assistant] I know. Ultimately, it's a good thing because your name's out there, right? Ultimately. But there is, it is unfortunate that we have to say, well, are they just out there to check the box or are they a legitimate candidate?


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[Assistant] That's, that's frustrating to say, but I mean, he's a, he's a big name. If he's big enough name to be getting head coaching interviews, you know.


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[Assistant] I mean, they were rollin' this year. It was poppin'. And then the whole thing unraveled. And clearly... To me though, that was what the DC changed. To me, that's when the wheels fell off the box. They've cleaned house with all their coordinators now.


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[Assistant] You know, it's funny you mentioned Woods in New Orleans because I was actually thinking about that driving in. It didn't work here, but it's better there.


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[Assistant] And I kind of make the same point with Brian Johnson when you say, how do you feel about it? I'm like, well, it doesn't excite me necessarily, but you never know if a different fit, how a guy fits. And in this instance,


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[Assistant] Nobody knows the Eagles better than Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry. Berry came from there and Stefanski grew up there and loved the Eagles and knows the organization well. That's why Philly was here for joint practices.


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[Assistant] So if they, there's a reason they're bringing this guy in, and I think in this instance you would defer, if you, if you, if you have apprehension about it, I think you would defer to the guys that know that organization pretty well. That's true. For a while they'd want to bring him in. Is it, set you off the meter? No, not necessarily, but I'm looking forward to seeing it.


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[Assistant] Well that's not a playcaller. Well that's not a playcaller. Well that's not a playcaller. So what are you doing here? Kellen Moore? Maybe. He's been a playcaller. Yeah, maybe. Uh, he has been a playcaller. I mean in terms of, of fear.


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[Assistant] I've been trying to avoid this conversation because, like, and Bo, you alluded to it, you know.


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[Assistant] You hear so many things and it's hard.


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[Assistant] Like this, this stuff, I don't, I'm gonna sound like I'm getting on a soapbox, I'm not trying to get on a soapbox, but like it's hard sometimes to get to the root of the truth. And in my, in my role, like that's what you try to do, you try to get to the truth, no matter where the, but in a lot of instances, this is a great example, it's a lot of he said he said.


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[Assistant] So which side are you going to believe? And it's hard to get to the truth. And yes, we've heard a bunch of stuff. I've heard a bunch of stuff.


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[Assistant] About this. But nothing that I have been able to confirm and get over the line to be able to report it and come out here and talk about it. And I agree with what you said.


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[Assistant] A lot of what, you know, it sounds like it would be taken from him, not necessarily he'd give it up. This is the only thing that I would say that maybe that there is validity to that he would willingly give it up. He did say, on the record,


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[Assistant] And when you think about it, it's true. Like, it's, as soon as that plays over.


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[Assistant] It's exhausting. Now maybe he's gotten to the point in his career where he says, it's not worth it and I need to, you know, I don't want to do this anymore.


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[Assistant] Maybe. I'm not saying that's, but, but I know that he has said that publicly on the record in the past.


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[Assistant] And that's why I go back to like, it's so hard sometimes for us to come out here, at least for me, because like, I like to say definitively, this is what I know. This is what I know. This is what, you know, this is what I'm reporting. And in instances like this, there's so much noise out there.


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[Assistant] Honestly, truly, I don't know if he will be. I think he should be. Okay. That's my answer, by the way. Assuming he wants to be still. Assuming he wants to be. But if, like, gun to my head, I have to decide right now, yes or no, is he going to be the play caller? I would say no.


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[Assistant] Especially because he had a D.C. as the head coach. Right. So he was calling plays. So he had, he was the Jim Schwartz, he was the Jim Schwartz of the Chargers offense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but was it really the GM or was it higher up? And that's why I think in this instance, I don't think it's Andrew's decision to hand Kevin the contract. I think it's Jimmy and Paul.


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[Assistant] Agreed, and in this instance though, I think that would be, I know you're going to throw that clipboard at me, I think it would be Paul.


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[Assistant] You know, because if you're, if you're hiring good people and good people you believe in, and again, I think Paul's role should be identifying those people. His role should not be


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[Assistant] I think Kevin's off the hot seat, right? Like we can all agree on that, but to Jay's point, I've actually, I mean, I'll.


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[Assistant] I think I can say that Freddy was one of them. I remember talking to Freddy. Freddy's like, if I'm going down, I'm going down doing it my way. Like I'm calling the players.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like when they, who was the OC when Freddie was here? Monkin, wasn't it Monkin?


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[Assistant] Freddie called the plays and Freddie's like, if I'm going down, I'm doing it my way.


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[Assistant] By the way, a coach who wins coach of the year twice in four years is making like 15 million dollars on his next contract.


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[Assistant] A handful. I went back and looked. I think Belichick did it a couple times, right?


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[Assistant] I think Rivera did too. I'm almost positive. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Because yes, it's in that story that Rivera, Rivercraft says, he told me Tom couldn't play anymore.


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[Assistant] But now this comes back to the, at the sixth rate conference, title games, Deshawn won playoff wins.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. It's going to be phenomenal.


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[Assistant] But like, the butterfly effect. If Carolina guarantees the whole contract, then Sean's in Carolina right now. Period.


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[Assistant] Yeah. If, if Carolina was willing to guarantee the whole contract, Deshaun would be in Carolina. Carolina flat out told him.


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[Assistant] I wrote that. So they were the other team? There was four. There was New Orleans, Atlanta, Carolina, and Cleveland.


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[Assistant] He was at, Baker was at a Morgan Wallen concert with Wyatt Teller when he found out that the Browns were going to see Deshaun.


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[Assistant] I talk to people who were in Houston with the Texans.


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[Assistant] I shouldn't say one, I talked to one person who was fairly high up with the Texans who was part of the negotiations with the trade who thought he was going to New Orleans. They thought like the Texans organization, yeah, the Texans organization thought he would wind up in New Orleans. And then when Carolina,


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[Assistant] wouldn't guarantee the whole contract, it flipped everything. And I wrote that. That's how the Browns got back into it. When Carolina refused to guarantee the whole thing, that's when Cleveland got back into it.


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[Assistant] We heard about this deal. I kinda looked at it as like, guys, the building's not on fire. Like, the Browns, of all those four finals that we're talking about, the only one that had a quarterback, an established quarterback, was the Browns. Right. And they chose to go down this path anyway.


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[Assistant] That tells you all you need to know. They had made up their mind on, on Baker for the long term. They knew the blowback and the ramifications once this got out that they were one of the teams. They knew how this was going to play out publicly. They knew it was going to get ugly and they did it anyway.


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[Assistant] The hire that Dave made that I'm most excited about is actually Tommy Reese. Like I think he's, he's a rising star. He's a rising star in the coaching ranks.


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[Assistant] It would be an un-Kevin-like move, but play hard for him. Is there any chance that happens? I think he should do that. I don't think he will.


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[Assistant] Right. If, if he walked, teams would fire their coach to hire him.


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[Assistant] I still think Ohio State is different. I still think that's a different job than even Michigan. That's a different job.


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[Assistant] But if at any point in his life he wants the Ohio State job, he'll take a year off and just wait to see what happens.


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[Assistant] It's interesting and then we'll move on. Belichick's only interview has been in Atlanta, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, the guy wants 15 wins, right? He wants to pass Shula, and then what? And then what are you getting out of him? But Arthur Blank is 82 and who knows how much longer he has left.


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[Assistant] It's Jerome Ford. It's the other guy. It's Pierce. Like, you don't, nobody is hailing, Bill Callahan is this great O-line coach because of what he's done for Joel Batonio.


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[Assistant] It's what he did for the tackles. So true. So I don't look at this necessarily as what more is he going to get out of Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb is greatness. Like what are you going to get? I love the hire, by the way. Like I've heard, I don't know, Deuce Staley never had one conversation. I haven't either. I've heard nothing but phenomenal things about him. And look what happens when you win, by the way, not to go off on a tangent, but when you win and when you show some form of stability with head coach, with GM.


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[Assistant] These top candidates now want to come to you. Tommy Reese wants to come here. Deuce Staley wants to come here. Deuce Staley's choosing this job over the Jets job because probably some of the uncertainty over Robert Saleh, you're looking at that going, well, if I go there, I might be fired in a year. This guy's going to be fired in a year, so now where am I going to go?


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[Assistant] So this is what, like, this is what success and consistency and stability shows you, is you start getting some of these guys. But I look at Deuce, okay Deuce, what can you do for Jerome Ford?


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[Assistant] Because I was more disappointed in Jerome Ford than almost any other player I think this year. It's funny that you said that. I have him on my three most disappointed. Absolutely. He's on mine too because he was right there in front of him. He had all year.


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[Assistant] He had every opportunity to grab hold of that job and make the Browns say, you know what? We don't need Nick Chubb. And you know what the Browns are saying today? Oh my God in heaven, how do we get Nick Chubb back?


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[Assistant] He wasn't, that was a polite way to fall on the sword, but really he was cutting Kareem's head off. Oh yeaah. Just, just happened. You weren't here, we talked about it. Yo, it's crazy.


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[Assistant] The Kareem thing is really interesting because I think he's not the only coach that had a problem with Kareem.


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[Assistant] No. Not at all. Not at all. Especially now. But like...


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[Assistant] And, and that, it's part of the why I kept saying like, he's got three wheels, he's got three wheels. Like, I wasn't the only one saying that.


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[Assistant] He was done this year! The only thing that brought him back was the injury to Nick. That could happen again next year though.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's, it's not, it's not a role that's irreplaceable by someone else.


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[Assistant] He may have heard his cause with that in a little bit.


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[Assistant] One of the best, and I'm not just saying this because he's been on the show, one of the best I've ever seen was Maurice. With the instincts. Oh my god. The ability, cause I covered Ohio State, I was a Ohio State beat writer that year. And he would, the way he would take a hand off and like, wait. Pause. And you think like, go.


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[Assistant] The, the play against Michigan, like the, I think it was like a wheel route down the sideline. He called it. He told Trestle, like run this. I'm open. I'll be open.


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[Assistant] He had a brilliant mind. I remember asking him.


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[Assistant] Maybe three or four games in. Stupid question by me, but in the moment.


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[Assistant] I said, have you ever been tackled for a loss? And he's like, what are you talking about? Of course I have! I'm like, well I don't know, I-


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[Assistant] I walked into the Cavs locker room after that, like the votes had just been released and one of LeBron's


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[Assistant] But Jay, there were games where he wasn't in the box score. I think the Texans, he vanished in the Texans game and that's left a sour taste in everybody's mouth.


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[Assistant] I do think that the shoulder was much more significant to people than people realized.


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[Assistant] I agree with that, but I'm just saying it feels like I don't remember our every single week we all sat here and said he's the defensive player of the year.


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[Assistant] But the conversation shifted to, well, look at the pass rush win rate. I can't even say it. Look at the double teams. It never, like, I just feel like the, and he vanished in the Houston game. No debate.


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[Assistant] But that doesn't count in this because it's a regular season award and it feels like if Miles had two sacks and a forced fumble in that Houston game, would we still be having this conversation? I'm not sure that we would.


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[Assistant] Well, I think the comp that you're making, didn't A-Rod win MVP when the Rangers were in last place?


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[Assistant] I think I'm more on Garrett's side on this, but the numbers are wild.


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[Assistant] But, it's, it's hard to say anything with the Cavs because last year just hangs over everything. So, this whole week, and like, they were the hottest team in the league, they won nine in a row, and I, you know, we talked about it last week, I wrote about it last week. It's great.


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[Assistant] But they're gonna be a completely different team when they're healthy. It's sorta like, you know, you go back to the finals teams, I'll go back to that 2015 team we were talking about.


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[Assistant] Everyone's like, wow, man, they would have won if they had Kevin and Kyrie. Well, they were a completely different team and they were forced to play a completely different way.


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[Assistant] I don't know. Because of exactly what we're saying.


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[Assistant] Because they were terrific players. But the Cavs completely altered the way that they played because they didn't have those guys. Same thing's kinda happening here. They've completely altered the way that they're playing because they don't have two of their big guys. And JB has said like,


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[Assistant] We're just sort of jacking threes, like that's what we gotta do. Now they always wanted to get to the style of play, that's why they signed these shooters, like that's why they brought in Max Struths and George Yang.


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[Assistant] And, and Sam Merrill's getting somewhere now because they identified, they knew they needed more shooting.


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[Assistant] But when you bring another ball dominant guard back in Darius, it's going to change the rhythm. It's going to change the tempo. It's going to change the ball movement. It's going to change everything.


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[Assistant] No, and when you, well when you bring Mobley back, it's gonna change everything. So, it sort of feels like we're just sitting in purgatory right now. Because I'm really, and Mobley's getting close, you know, he was, he's on this trip, Darius is getting close, he had the wire removed from his jaw, but he lost so much weight.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the time that he missed, he's got to get back up to game shape. And I, I just think that we.


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[Assistant] This is not telling us anything because they don't have two of their big dogs. You didn't learn anything. Did either of you guys?


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[Assistant] 21 and 12, well, I think Evan is a better one on one defender than Jared is. Uh, but Jared is putting up incredible numbers. But I still think Evan's ceiling is high. So for the moment, you can't ask Jared to do anything more than he's doing, than he's played. He's been a great fit for this.


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[Assistant] If you want to look long term and look years out, I still think Evan, ceiling is higher. And again, I keep saying it.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm, I'm losing faith with every day that goes by that the three point shot's ever gonna come forever. And I think, you know, he's still really young, so you hate to put a ceiling on a guy. It's sort of like Josh Naylor in the war we were having about can you hit left handed pitching or not.


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[Assistant] And so you don't want to cap a guy who's this young.


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[Assistant] But, what, if he develops a three point shooter, a three point shot, it changes his entire game. How many years do you give him?


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[Assistant] He's a good example of a guy who's really evolved as he's been in the league and gotten comfortable with it. So Mike, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Where I would push back a little bit is they were down to like 19 or 20. I know they were. Like it was over. And I know like on the broadcast, here they come! No, it was over.


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[Assistant] Alright, where we going for beers tonight? And there's still six minutes on the clock. And that scrappy team's coming back, and they're coming back, but it's over.


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[Assistant] I put it on him because the calves have shown they can develop guys. They have, and they're patient.


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[Assistant] They've done a great job of finding guys on the margins and developing them. This is the number three overall pick. Right? So it's on, I put a lot of this on, on him.


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[Assistant] And really, I mean, if you look at some of like his, he was regressing a little bit this year, especially like in the lane and around the lane, his numbers were not good. Was that because of the injury? Well, no, I don't know.


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[Assistant] See, I disagree, but Mike played the game. Like again, I defer to guys who played and Mike played at a higher level than I did, but I look at him, I look at some of the moves that he makes defensively and the way he could switch from one to another. I like his body control, his ability to block and alter shots without fouling. Like I think he's pretty good.


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[Assistant] And, and, but somebody's gonna lose minutes when Darius comes back. To me, it can't be sand.


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[Assistant] Well, he's not coming. Like it's a, it's a, it's a fantasy conversation. At least right now. I'm saying, hey, listen, I've been driving the train. He's a free agent at the end of the year. That's all I said.


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[Assistant] They have an offensive meeting every Friday with Jimmy and the... That's absurd.


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[Assistant] I thought that was common knowledge. I thought that was a joke. No.


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[Assistant] I got yelled at because you invited Mike to Thanksgiving. Right. So I got in trouble. Just sitting here on the show while I'm on the show minding my own business. I'm getting texts by my wife. You're an ass. You probably didn't even invite him, did you? You didn't even think to invite him. That's how inconsiderate you are. And I'm like, yeah, you're right. You know me pretty well. I never invited him.


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[Assistant] So, she invited, we were on a, she was in the car with me and he called me, we were on bluetooth and she said, Mike, I'm sorry my husband's an ass, you were invited to Thanksgiving. Or to Christmas, to Christmas. Well I gotta say.


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[Assistant] Those aren't followed his football. Just followed Bulls bets for baseball. He did pretty well.


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[Assistant] I still wonder if that has something to do with it. I do think it'll be full just because it's a holiday week. A lot of people are off work, should be, you would think.


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[Assistant] It's hard to answer these because like openers are always have that electric high anticipation atmosphere. And there was so, you know, the year of the Freddy year when the Titans were in town and people were lining up to get the Muni lot the night before. And there was so much excitement for that.


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[Assistant] Well, I was going to say that. And the William Green, the Run William Run game from back in the day, I think it was before your time, when Jimmy's, Jimmy's


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[Assistant] So it's hard to say definitively, but since I've been around this team in 2018 starting in 2018 by far, I think I was thinking about this driving in the most electric atmosphere I've seen.


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[Assistant] Was that, it was the Baker game against the Jets on Thursday night that broke the losing streak, the Bud Light fridges opened, and we left that stadium, we were walking down, Zach Jackson and I took the ramp down that night, and people were leaving the stadium saying, here we go Brownies, here we go, and they were acting like they just won the AFC.


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[Assistant] And they won a game! But they've been, so long since they won a game, that was actually, and you felt like the savior was here with Baker, and like finally they've got this quarterback, so that was a really, I mean that atmosphere was popping that night.


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[Assistant] I've actually seen more empty seats this year, if I'm being totally honest. I've seen more empty seats than I thought that I would.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, honestly, he knows. You can't hear anything in the press box. It's all enclosed in glass. Right. I mean, you can hear it a little bit, but not, like, if they're really into it, it's really hard to pick up on. So I would think...


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[Assistant] Was, was that, I think that clinched a playoff spot back, you know, way back when.


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[Assistant] You know, we got a foot of snow in that stadium at that time. Exactly.


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[Assistant] There was a time we didn't know anything about Dustin Hopkins and we were making fun of his name and he clearly lived up to every expectation and more. My concern now is those numbers were, I don't know about all his career numbers, but the Lions numbers were in a dome.


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[Assistant] And we could have said the same thing about Hopkins with the Chargers in terms of being a dome and whatever, but I mean that's the biggest adjustment for Patterson to make is that you're kicking in clean in December, that's, you're pretty far removed from a dome.


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[Assistant] We'll find out in these next two weeks. Hopkins got to the point where he had Kevin Stefanski's full trust, and I think it altered the way Kevin called games, knowing that he had a kicker who he felt comfortable with from 55 even. 55, 56. I think that starts over now.


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[Assistant] Where Patterson has to earn that trust. And you know, I think Kevin's going to call probably a different call on third down if he's looking at a 57 yard field goal and Patterson stand on the sideline as opposed to the faith that he had in Hopkins.


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[Assistant] No, it's day to day. Kevin said yesterday he's day to day. It sounds like the Hopkins thing could be a couple weeks. I don't know if he'll be back for the playoffs or not. And probably, if I had to guess, Borges probably isn't going to kick Thursday.


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[Assistant] Decisions to make with the roster. Obviously putting DTR on IR opens the spot. You gotta head into the quarterback.


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[Assistant] I actually agreed with him until DTR went on IR because PJ Walker's not an NFL quarterback. At least you have NFL replacements if Miles went down. PJ Walker's not an NFL quarterback. He's not an NFL quarterback.


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[Assistant] Who did, who is your answer? My answer now that, cause I actually like DTR. Like I, I, I, I thought.


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[Assistant] He was looking pretty good. And then he got the friggin concussion. But it felt like he was starting to, so I actually think there's something there.


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[Assistant] I'm going the other way. I think it's more likely to score 13 or more because the Browns and Flacco, as much as everyone loves them, does have a tendency of bad turnovers at bad times.


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[Assistant] And he could put them on a short field and then it's easy points. We've seen that multiple times. I still think the Browns are going to win this game, but I don't think that they're going to get a shutout. They've got one shutout this year was against the Cardinals and another quarterback that was not really an NFL quarterback.


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[Assistant] So it's, it's so hard, you know this, it's so hard to get a shot. It really is. In the NFL, especially like garbage time, backups are in.


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[Assistant] You know, the team's playing for pride to avoid a shutout. You can get a junk score at the end. So I just think just because the turnover problems that the Browns have had, the Jets have a good defense. You can turn them over, put them on a short field and get points out of it.


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[Assistant] So they had basically their, you know, I mean the tackles are what they are. Yeah. But everyone keeps telling me what a great run blocker James Hudson is. So they're, you know, what's the reason? If you've got your both guards back and your center and the swinging gait at right tackle is supposed to be a good run blocker. James Hudson and great should never be in the same sense.


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[Assistant] Wow, I mean. I agree with you. They've got to figure out a way to get something going on the ground. Because you're playing with fire. If you have Flacco back there throwing it as much as they have, it looks great.


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[Assistant] And it's worked to this point. He's still turning the ball over. He is.


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[Assistant] I mean clearly that's what we've been seeing for the past three weeks. If it continues down that road that you don't have a choice, it's going to blow up on them at some point. I think is what we're saying.


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[Assistant] Is it, but is it the blocking or do you think it's the running back?


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[Assistant] If you have Ethan Postic, a healthy Postic at center. If you have Vittonio and Wyatt Teller at guard.


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[Assistant] And if what they say is true that James Hudson is a very good run blocker, there's no reason for this offense to be struggling to run the ball as much as they are. There's no reason. There's no valid reason. All right, then the running backs aren't very good. I mean, what else is there? What else is there?


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[Assistant] Sure, but it's a bigger priority if Chubb's not coming back. Right. I think what they've seen this year probably out at Jerome Ford might bring them back to the table with Nick. I mean, Nick's not coming back on the contract he's under now. There's no way. No, you know. But if you can strike something or renegotiate something, maybe you take another chance. I'd love to see it. I'd love to see Nick Chubb back here. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] I just wrote it today. He is a folk hero in Cleveland forever. No matter what else happens. I don't think so. Oh, I do. He'll get the Roger Davis treatment when he comes back. The Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye treatment when they come back because there was no level of expectation when he got here. Just what he's delivered to this point.


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[Assistant] Even if it ends badly, even if they, I mean, they're going to the playoffs, but if they lose the first round, whatever.


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[Assistant] This guy is golden in Cleveland. It's crazy because he's a raven and every, you know, Cleveland hates anything associated with Baltimore.


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[Assistant] But. Not this guy. No, not this guy. Mike, number three.


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[Assistant] I'm looking up Jerry Rice. Who's that number one guy now? Chris Olave. Go Bucks.


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[Assistant] Okay, who did? So it's the Rookier that probably trips up some of those games.


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[Assistant] I don't know if there's another candidate that I feel great about.


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[Assistant] Embrace of all the sports I think. No doubt. In the analytics. Right.


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[Assistant] Right. No, I think there's some stats I do roll my eyes at, and there's others I think that there's a lot of validity to them. The ones Mike had on the board, I think there's a lot of validity to all of them.


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[Assistant] Now that's just the last four games. Yeah. But that's really when the sacks kind of disappear.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I'd like to see those numbers over the course of the season.


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[Assistant] I mean, you don't have to, this is just the last four games. But I'm just saying, like, if, if, if those numbers for the year track anything like that, they do.


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[Assistant] No, you, I mean, take it and run with it. But I think you do have to acknowledge the level of competition that he's playing against, and there's a difference in the top and the bottom.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a tougher test and I'm just looking at the totality of it.


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[Assistant] You haven't been good in 10 years. And I just think you need to recognize that and acknowledge that. Of course, this is crazy. Yeah. And that's all I think Tyvis is doing and that's all I'm doing. Like, hey man, you're playing with house money. Keep, keep betting. Like enjoy it. Enjoy it. Weird things are happening this year. But I think you'll just also have to acknowledge that there's a much stiffer test ahead than what they've seen so far. Agreed. Defensively.


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[Assistant] The success that Joe has had with your running Kevin system and particularly in the play action.


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[Assistant] Motivation for Deshaun to more or less do it Kevin's way and get under center a little bit more. He's obviously been strictly a shotgun quarterback for most of his career, but seeing the success of this offense, running it this way. Do you think that that is any indication to Deshaun that, Hey, I need to give this a chance because this, this has now evidence that it can work.


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[Assistant] Mary Kate, can I ask you a procedural question? So you get two practice squad elevations per week. If they, if Pahorkas can't go...


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[Assistant] That would then be both the punter and the kicker, right? Do they have a 53 man move that they have to make this week?


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[Assistant] Or can they get away? I'm just wondering if someone's gonna lose their roster spot because of all the injuries that they've had. Yes. But if PJ replaces DTR on the active roster...


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[Assistant] Then if you elevate the punter and the kicker, those are your two practice squat elevations. Am I missing anything or is there, are they going to have to make a roster move this week?


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[Assistant] Are they going to have to bring in another quarterback for the practice squad? And who, and who, I mean who left it, who is out there at this point in the season that's worth putting on practice squad?


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[Assistant] But, if you're comparing talent to talent, it's Deshawn. It's Deshawn.


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[Assistant] For sure. Now, if you want to put 230 million on the table, 64 million, and the injuries and everything else, that's a different conversation. For what Baker's making compared to what Deshawn's making. But I mean, listen, you and I were the conductors running Baker out of town. I ain't turning that train around now. I'm on team Deshawn.


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[Assistant] But he's playing in a trash division. And I don't trust him in a big spot. If I'm down, if my team is down five points.


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[Assistant] The fact that the last vision we have of Deshaun is 14 of 14 against maybe the best team in the league on the road. The last quarterback that has beaten Baltimore is Deshaun Watson. That's a pretty good taste to leave in people's mouths. But I agree with you. You can't be, you can't only look at that.


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[Assistant] Has he done enough to say that he's back and the contract is worth it and all that? No, I don't think you could say that, but I think he's shown enough glimpses this year to make you think that it's still in there. I liked where he was going.


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[Assistant] But ultimately, ultimately, Flacco played really well when they needed him to and Deshaun in the second half against Baltimore was dynamite. He was. Alright, go ahead Mike.


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[Assistant] Who the hell knows? I'd give you three losses. I could get behind. Fourteen and three for the season? No, twelve and three right now. I could get behind that.


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[Assistant] Well, I said it when he got hurt. He turns a one yard loss into a two yard gain. Yeah. And it doesn't necessarily, you don't necessarily appreciate that or notice that in the moment.


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[Assistant] But second and eight, third and four is a whole lot different than second and eleven, third and seven.


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[Assistant] We went to war last summer about the future of Nick Chubb. Yeaah. And I think this season, more than anything, has shown. No doubt. His value. 100%. And we both, I think, diminished it a little bit. Yeaah. And thought, you know, running backs are plug and play in the NFL and no, it's not going to be as good as Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] This is hard. This was a hard one because I said it's a 3. A 3 out of 10 on the disaster meter. But here's the thing.


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[Assistant] I don't think Cade York survives the season anyway. It's not like, like, everyone would have been fired if you keep this kicker who keeps missing kicks. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Really, I think that missed extra point in the preseason game against Kansas City is really kind of what sealed his fate here. Or else maybe he starts the year here and as soon as he starts missing some kicks, they probably cut him then. But if you want to play out


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[Assistant] For the sake of argument, if Cade York was still the kicker today, I mean, the Browns probably have three or four less wins than they do. Right? Like, they don't beat San Francisco with Cade York. They probably don't beat Indy with Cade York.


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[Assistant] Like, Hopkins has made so many big kicks that, and listen, I was, I was big on, like, I liked the drafting of Cade York. I stuck with him as long as possible. But by the end of the preseason, it became evident, like, they, they couldn't keep him. So I don't think, even had they, even had they been so stubborn to say, we believe in him, we're going to start the season with him.


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[Assistant] As soon as he missed a kick or two in the regular season, I think they would have moved on. But it might have cost them a game or two by the time it happened. Yes, it could have cost them an early game. One of those games that they won early on. Alright, Mike.


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[Assistant] This goes back to the grenade that Bull threw on us, uh, 15 minutes ago. I'm calling it an 8. An 8 out of 10 on the Kool-Aid meter, because I do think


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[Assistant] Again, I'm not ready to throw my hands up and say all is solved, everything is fixed, everything is fine. But his record as a starter is impressive. Dashawn's record as a starter here, they won games with him. It wasn't always pretty, but he more or less got the job done.


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[Assistant] The second half against Baltimore, you gotta put a lot of stock in that. Again, 14 of 14 on the road against the best team in the NFL right now.


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[Assistant] That's pretty doggone good. You're gonna take that. Was it perfect? No, it wasn't perfect. Did he show you enough to make you think that it's still in there? Yeaah, he did. He showed me that.


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[Assistant] You know what happens in Denver and LA? I don't know, but I think that they have a better record today with Deshaun, had Deshaun by the quarterback all year. I think they have a better record than they do right now.


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[Assistant] Do you feel more comfortable with Joe Flack over in the offense, or would you rather have Deshaun Watson right now?


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[Assistant] He- Flacco. He's playing well. Yeaah, he's playing well. I mean, listen, I- I just think it's Magic Beans. And I don't know how much- I think Deshaun is more sustainable than- than Flacco. But where- Deshaun hasn't played a sustainably high level of-


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[Assistant] It's hard for me to do it. It's hard. I, I, I see, I don't want to be Switzerland, but I hear what you're both saying and I think there's merit to both of it. But if I have to pick right now between a healthy Deshaun Watson or Joe Flacco, I'm taking Deshaun Watson 10 times out of 20.


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[Assistant] Acknowledge that, but he just brings a different dynamic to the offense. There's no debate for me. Who'd rather have Deshaun Watson or Joe Flacco? I'd take Deshaun every day, every day.


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[Assistant] Wait a minute, Joe Flacco never been in the Pro Bowl? Never been, he was invited one time and he passed in 2014.


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[Assistant] The Browns liked him over the other Tennessee guy. I know that. Over Hyatt? Yea. Who ain't doing a thing. Nope. Who went before? Tillman. Yea.


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[Assistant] I guess it's Elijah Moore. I actually, I trust Tillman more than Elijah Moore. I know it sounds ridiculous. Elijah actually drops the ball a little bit. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I mean, I haven't really thought of it till you just said that. It kind of sounds nonsensical, but I trust you. I don't disagree. And what can you imagine if you had Hopkins instead, but it's, it's such a butterfly effect.


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[Assistant] I mean yea, you'd love to snap your fingers and say, okay, DeAndre, are you willing to take a four million dollar contract to come play with Deshaun again? But that wasn't the case. He was going to chase every dollar. I hear ya. And they weren't in a position.


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[Assistant] And, but it's, it's the, what's it gonna impact you going forward? What's it gonna cost you next year with the cap and everything else? We've talked at length about they're trying to save every dollar they can to roll over to next year and then the year after and then the year after to manage these contracts.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I mean, you'd love to have Deandre Hopkins on this roster. Sure, absolutely. Amari on one side and Hop on the other. Flack will be thrown for 500 yards a game.


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[Assistant] How's that for your Kool-Aid meter? Wait a minute.


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[Assistant] But hang on. I don't think anybody's hating on Flacco. I know, I'm kidding. But we're gonna hear about it. I just think we're trying, I think Tyrus and I are trying to just be realistic about where this is and understand that like, hey, this is not normal, I don't know how sustainable this is, so you better enjoy the hell out of it for however long it lasts.


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[Assistant] And I do think that he's a perfect match with what Kevin wants. I think it's a perfect match. And I do think that Deshawn needs to look at this. Listen, you don't have to go under center 90% of the time. But, and he, like, I talked to him after that Baltimore game, and he said, like, you know, Kevin wants me under center a little bit more, and it's an adjustment for me.


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[Assistant] I never said that he was against it. I'm just saying this is an adjustment for him. And I hope that this is proof that like, hey,


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[Assistant] There's some merit to this. When you look at the numbers, when you look at their yards per play, coming off play action, as opposed to straight drop back, when you realize, when you understand, which he does, play action's more effective from under the center than out of the shotgun. When you put all these things together, you could still do it to Sean's way. You could still be out of the shotgun more than half of the time.


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[Assistant] But there's merit to going under center. There's merit to running play action. There's merit to doing the things that Kevin is saying.


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[Assistant] And what Joe is doing is proof of that. Fair?


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[Assistant] You know, he can come up and pick it up. And I do, I do think that Kevin's flexible and I think he can design an offense for, to fit any system. Well, I mean, as Everett did, he's done it. But every coach has tenets that they believe in that are, that are effective. And this is one of them for Kevin, is play action. He's not going to come out and say it. I think we talked about this on the show, just connect the pieces.


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[Assistant] This is one of the staples he believes in. No doubt. Is play action. He loves it. Is an effective form of office. And it is. And it's working.


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[Assistant] He is now. I'm about to say he is now. DTR is the long-term backup on this team, guys. Yeah, sure. Oh, we all know that. No, I don't think everyone knows that. Well, who don't?


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[Assistant] Oh man, I was sitting in the pictures out, man, I don't know what was going on with my throat pause. My throat was just like, it was like, it was just literally bleeding everywhere. I couldn't talk, I had no voice for a minute, so I just sit down, you know what I'm saying, I sat down and contemplated some things and uh,


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[Assistant] Was it really? The team was terrible. It was hour by hour, it was touch and go. Tyves jumped out to a nice lead.


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[Assistant] Man, man, it's all fun and game till somebody die.


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[Assistant] It's all funny til somebody die. And I'm not mean, you know, talking about death right now. I'm talking about, go back and look at Bradley Chuck.


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[Assistant] You think they don't want that back? Hmm. You in the game and they... And they're getting boat race. They're getting boat race. That game don't count for nothing. What was he doing?


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[Assistant] You got one of the best defensive ends, he's played with a great year, 11 sacks, and he's running around trying to chase 13 running backs and he blows his knee out. Now here's the thing, what did you get from that?


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[Assistant] And you as a coach said, well, I wish I would have. Highlight 2020.


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[Assistant] If you put your players out there and you ain't got nothing to win, it's all about ego. You telling me that 12th win is more...


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[Assistant] Then being able to come into the playoffs ready to go? You're crazy, man. I'm not playing none of these dudes. I wouldn't play Flacco. I wouldn't play anybody significant up front. Myles Garrett is on bubble wrap right now. Don't even talk to Zedarius Smith. You trying to get to a point. You're supposed to use this. Think about it like this. This is your buy.


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[Assistant] If you wanted to si- If you wanted to fi- People play hard all year to get what? A first round by. Yeaah. This essentially is a first round by.


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[Assistant] In your first game against a team in the AFC South. And you're most likely going to play in a warm climate. So guess what? Guys are ready to go, refreshed, re-vigorated, and this is no-brainer. I'm not playing nobody. I got the JVs playing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm going to say that, but I did say he was going to throw for 300 every game.


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[Assistant] This is, this is things about sports. Sometimes people don't get it. Sometimes you have one chance.


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[Assistant] Look, you know, we played in the game and 9-11 happened, the game gets postponed and my career was over after running that game back.


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[Assistant] We were one and ten, we went, we postponed the game, we played Philip Rivers and everybody was so excited to play. Because you're a Mac team and you're like, oh, this is gonna be awesome. But I'm looking around like, man, I just had a nasty feeling about it. I'm like, I don't wanna play this game. Like, we gonna go out here and get


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[Assistant] And now I gotta, I gotta ramp up just to get back in playing. Sometimes, you know, it sucks, but in Cleveland Brown's got something special going. Your job is to babysit it. Sometimes your job is to don't let the kid kill himself if you babysit. Just put him in front of that TV, give him the internet, sit by him, and don't let him do nothing dumb. And that's what Brown does.


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[Assistant] I'm the duke of knee jerk, but here's what I'm gonna tell you man. If they bring Jarvis Landry in, they up the ante and tell me.


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[Assistant] But they trying to win a Super Bowl. I really think he can be a missing piece on a team. The Browns, where they at? A veteran. He's the dude that comes in.


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[Assistant] And I know a lot of people don't like storylines, but, but there's a lot of people that wasn't advocating for Joe Flacco when we was advocating for him. There was a lot of people saying Kareem Hunt was done three, this dude got 10 touchdowns. We not asking Jarvis Landry to be three, five, 10 years Jarvis Landry. We asking Jarvis Landry.


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[Assistant] Like, Kareem Hunt talks about it. You talk to him, Jay. At the food, at the food thing. He wants, he wanted to be here. It's special. So for me, it may seem like, oh, this is a Disney story. I'm going to tell you what. You bring Jarvis Landry in here, you give yourself a chance to get a super bowl.


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[Assistant] You ever grow up in your neighborhood and used to be playing, you know, football with the little tomboy down the street?


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[Assistant] She Bush got him one bro. Where did that come from? We're not worried about nothing to happen with any other team. Jarvis Landry come up in here, you get him together with that advisor back again, he gonna get two ticks faster.


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[Assistant] See, see Jay, this is, this is the analogy. When you do, when you're in the media, right, once you get to a certain age, how many media guys go from Wichita to New York after the age of 50?


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[Assistant] So, right, like, look, you like, nah, I know for a fact, you're not getting that off. So when you talk about a receiver, he's 31 years old.


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[Assistant] Why would I bring you in? I'm going to get this up and coming. I'm going to pay him less. He's going to do more. And I ain't got to worry about getting you the football. Like, it's just a no-brainer. But here it's different.


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[Assistant] Got a Super Bowl ring, me and Baltimore. So he like, listen, you got yours, I still need mine.


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[Assistant] You wanna, don't, don't just sit back. Don't, you, you, we applaud you for making a move with Flacco. It gave you life.


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[Assistant] Now, Flacco is looking around and he's, he got it and I hope Joe Flacco goes to him cause he has a little cachet built up too and be like, look.


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[Assistant] I know I, you know, I'm glad y'all let me be in here, but now I'm a part of this. You gotta get me somebody, because it's gonna come down to a couple of plays here or there. And do you want to trust the young guys, or do you want to have somebody that's in the host already?


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[Assistant] When you hear Missouri, G, what you think? I hear that they're supposed to be playing at the Outback Bowl.


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[Assistant] What in the world are you doing with Devin Brown? I don't care what, I don't care what his five says. He is not it.


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[Assistant] We forget how quickly your program can go from...


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[Assistant] This to this. I'll name you a couple teams. Auburn. Nobody cares about Auburn. Y'all was just- Hell, LSU! LSU. Y'all won the championship the next year. Ogeron is out of here. Florida State. Look how quickly you can be good and not- Ohio State can recruit any- Florida. Florida. Not irrelevant. Uh, Oklahoma. Who cares about what you're doing?


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[Assistant] If you're Ohio State, you're supposed to be able to draft and bring guys in anywhere.


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[Assistant] The problem with Ohio State is this. I looked up the stats. I'm looking at, you know, Chip Trainum. He's...


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[Assistant] Transfer, right? Kentucky. Mayan Williams. I'm outta here, I'ma go to the draft.


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[Assistant] Peace out. Fleming, Fleming, the highest rated recruit you've had. He's up out of here. A mechabooker over a thousand yards, 400 yards for a guy that was supposed to be talking about first round by Marvin Harrison. Obviously he was great, but, but the problem is in your trenches, Henderson had 900 yards. Now he has injuries.


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[Assistant] Right? He missed a lot of time. He missed a lot of time. But when you watch the way Michigan runs the football, they get them tight splits, they get down in their stands, and it's going to be a game. They, they literally went, and this is saving,


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[Assistant] You're here to play games, get paid, and we'll give you a signing bonus. How that works is, if you wanna-


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[Assistant] There you go. I give, there are professionals. And the way you fix, the transfer reporter was saying this. You think really hard if you say I'm getting 250,000 or whatever a year. And they say listen, for every year that you re-sign, just like a regular worker, people get signing bonus and retention bonuses.


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[Assistant] I'ma give you another 200. So if you, you like, well, oh, that's great. And then the next year, if it goes to three, I'ma give you some more. People would think twice.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know Mary Kay, out of the players that you look at being out right now, Grant Delpy,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I didn't even know he had surgery. Uhm, I think Bernie was on and he said he had surgery and I didn't even know he was that injured.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then you have Oboe, uhm, who is kinda in like a no man's land floating around between, you know, getting a second opinion and whether or not he wanted to have surgery or see if they can get him back. Are there some names of some guys that can really, really...


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[Assistant] You know, take advantage of this. Bustin Hopkins. Hopkins, uh, you know, Borges. There's some guys that will really take advantage of this 17, 18 days if they do sit, um, you know, for the Bengals and then be ready for the playoffs.


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[Assistant] You know, I was just about to say that Mary Kay, I would almost feel, and it's crazy to say this because PJ Walker has beaten some teams, but


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[Assistant] I would lean towards, if something happened to Flacco, Jeff Driscoll being the quarterback. I would, I mean, he can still run just as well as PJ Walker, and he's not a turnover machine. I would like to see him play well in this game, and if something happens to Flacco, ay, we'll roll with Jeff Driscoll.


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[Assistant] I just, I just try to get Mary Kay to start a rumor. Fair and square, she wouldn't do it. So I don't know who you talk to.


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[Assistant] My, my, yeah, Miles Garrett should be playing. He should be on bubble wrap, not doing nothing.