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[Assistant] They are, they are who they are. Nick Chubb is who he is. Myles Garrett is who he is. It's a really good team, but this isn't a young team that's going to get better and better and better. Like they are who they are.


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[Assistant] I've been talking to Elijah Moore in Indianapolis. Again? Career year.


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[Assistant] But he'll end up becoming a number two. Although I don't know if you'd trade a number two draft pick for a number three receiver. That sounds a little backwards.


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[Assistant] I mean technically he did have a career year last year, but that's an awfully low bar. 59 catches, 640 yards, those are career highs. Two touchdowns was not, but Elijah Moore did have.


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[Assistant] No, that's the point I've made before, is where they're drafting these receivers, all the top guys are off the board. So you're, you're, the, yeaah, the target you're shooting at is so narrow, like, if you use your second round pick on a receiver, you give yourself a lot bigger target you're shooting at, because there's a lot more out there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's like those are the two that I think you could say that they missed on with where they picked. But a lot of other teams missed on those guys too.


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[Assistant] To what extent, how much weight they put into it, I don't know. But I think that they do look at it. I think they do take it seriously. And you don't want to grade poorly in these year after year after year after year. Like if it's a one-off, okay.


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[Assistant] But if year after year, the owners getting bad marks, the coaches getting bad marks, I'm not saying the Browns are, but I'm saying if you're one of these organizations, yeah, that's a problem because players talk.


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[Assistant] And when you're choosing free agent destinations, some of these things ma- I've talked about, you know, I talked to Ethan Postic about why he chose Cleveland. Strength and Conditioning staff and Bill Callahan, that's why he came here, were those two things. He really wanted both of them.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so, guys are gonna look at things like the weight room. And the Browns, this isn't a 20 minute knee jerk reaction to this. Like, they've known for a while they needed a better weight room. This has been in the works for a while. They just used yesterday as the opportunity to say yes, we know and we're addressing it, we're fixing it. They need a bigger practice facility, quite honestly.


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[Assistant] That's neat to hear, Nardera. Also, but some of that also is like, what's the family room situation? And I don't know with the Browns, what's the family room situation in the stadium? What setup do you have for the kids? Daycare was something they asked me about. Right, right. So that's fair. That goes into how you treat the family.


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[Assistant] Well these are two different issues. The stadium is different from the practice facility.


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[Assistant] It's my impression, I've not heard anything about, I've not heard anything about a practice facility going there. I thought that was going to be a stadium and all mixed use development around it.


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[Assistant] Five minutes from me? Right, yeaah. It's very very close.


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[Assistant] But to your point, if you want it all in one... You could do that. You could do that, but...


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[Assistant] Right now, it's not all in one if it's five minutes away. Like it's five minutes, but it's still five minutes. It's still a car ride and everything else. So I, I have not heard anything about a practice facility on that land in Brook Park. I thought it was, that was just a stadium in mixed use. They have so much land that they've bought up and they're just sitting on in Berea.


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[Assistant] Around the current facility that they're still trying to figure out what exactly to do with.


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[Assistant] That I, it's, I could be wrong, but my, I thought that they were gonna rebuild that in Berea, make that a nice practice facility, and then obviously the Brook Park thing is totally separate that may not ever even happen.


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[Assistant] Some guys, some guys, it's lip service when they say this stuff. I believe Kevin means it when he says he's got his locker room down on the player's level and door's always open. He said it again yesterday. Door's always open. He very much believes in this leadership council that he's assembled with these guys of, hey, if there's an issue,


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[Assistant] Let me know. Bring it to me. You know, take it to the, he meets with these guys on the leadership committee.


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[Assistant] I don't know how often it is, but fairly frequently, and he wants to know if there's issues. So, the things that you want to ding Kevin for, I don't know that...


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[Assistant] Not being available to the players or, you know, not being approachable or however they phrased it, I would not have it on the list.


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[Assistant] Well, he was actually asked yesterday what's more important to him.


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[Assistant] When you coach the year for the second time, we're getting a B minus on the report card and he wisely said no comment. But I'll tell you which one's more important to him. That coach of the year is going to add some extra zeros to that next contract. That's way more important than that player report card. So his price tag is going up.


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[Assistant] No player should have to have a roommate. That's ridiculous. That's, they don't even make us bunk up.


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[Assistant] Like with the same company, like the athletic, we've got 20 people there, nobody's shacking up. Like everybody gets their own. That's funny because I don't think I've, I don't think I had a roommate either. At no point, like guys, these are 8 games we're talking about. Yea, I did not. I never had a roommate. 8 or 9 games. Like NBA guys don't share rooms. It's 81, 41 road games. Like baseball players?


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[Assistant] If you made the travel roster, you should not have to share them.


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[Assistant] Here's the problem with that. Cleveland is not a free agent destination in any sport.


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[Assistant] Especially given the Brown's history over the last 20 years, you have to go over and above.


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[Assistant] On all of these things to just give yourself a chance when it comes to attracting and retaining top players.


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[Assistant] You're not going to sell them on the climate, the weather, it is what it is. You can't change the 20 years of dysfunction, but you have to, you have to really go over the top. Agree or disagree? I agree with you. And everything else.


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[Assistant] Let's go to Cleveland. It's not any, like, guardians face it, Browns face it, Cavs face it. It is not a free agent destination in any sport.


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[Assistant] What's your mom? The, the Woody. The, like where all the trophies are displayed. No, that's open to the public. Okay, because I took my son in there.


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[Assistant] I haven't been in there, I haven't been in there since I covered that team and that was well before you were there that I, I mean I stopped covering them in 2003.


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[Assistant] Well, they redid it a few years ago and they've got Player Lounge. Oh, is that next? Okay, so. So that's where they hide now from us. They have the Player Lounge and all that where they have all the, so now, they didn't have that before. That was, that's since 2018, 2019.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, Boston doesn't have that, I don't think, but the Cavs, when they redid the queue,


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[Assistant] That building, it is what it is, and it's still on the lower end of NBA arenas, but they've done a nice job with the remodel down there trying to do the best they can to maximize every inch that they can.


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[Assistant] Uh, so the Cavs did a nice job of that. And now the Guardians are running into that.


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[Assistant] The guardians are trying to renovate and the construction costs are so outrageous, they keep having to pull things out of their remodel that they're going through right now, so.


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[Assistant] The practice facility? Yeaah. What did they do? Offices, I think. Offices and front-facing stuff. Look at his face. I think.


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[Assistant] But, in terms of like the indoor practice facility, like I think they're kind of hamstrung right now. They can't really make that anymore. They would have already. They can't make it bigger. It kind of is what it is. Yeaah. I mean, now they've bought the land, but they would have to like level it and redo the whole thing, I think.


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[Assistant] That was the day one conditioning test, wasn't it? Uh, I'm not 100% sure. I think. But I think that they do have things in the wor- I know they want a new indoor-


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[Assistant] But, uh, they're just sitting on it. They haven't really done anything with it. In Berea. I'm talking Berea.


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[Assistant] It was, it's unbelievable. Brooke Pryor put out a tweet. Really? Did you see the Brooke Pryor tweet? I'm not sure what Brooke said, no, but. About the Chiefs and why they-


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[Assistant] She does the Steelers, but she came from Kansas City. She covered the Chiefs prior to.


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[Assistant] J.C. Treader, NFL PA president, says Chiefs owner Clark Hunt was lowest grade in NFL owner because there was a lack of follow through on promises. For example, this is from Treader. The team was promised a renovated locker room when they returned this season.


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[Assistant] After winning the Super Bowl last year. So coming into this season, they were going to have a renovated locker room.


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[Assistant] Except only new chairs were added. The players were told they quote, went too far in the playoffs and they didn't have time to renovate. So if the Chiefs weren't so good.


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[Assistant] Chicago is trading Justin Fields. He's going to Atlanta. That's what it sounds like.


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[Assistant] I was poking around. It doesn't sound like the Steelers are in it.


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[Assistant] He has small hands. Let's go. I kinda think it's Kenny Pickett in Pittsburgh this year.


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[Assistant] He'll find another job tomorrow. I agree with you, by the way. I think they should go after Ross.


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[Assistant] Not necessarily talk football, but more of a, I think it's more of a get to know you session between Ken and Deshawn. He said they're just hanging out type thing. Deshawn is going to start throwing next month, which technically is tomorrow, but I'd say within the coming weeks, he's going to start throwing. Uh, what else did he say?


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, they're trying to downplay that as you would expect. Uh, we'll see on that. The joint practices are going to be with Minnesota. They're going back to the Greenbrier. I guess that's going back to what A.B. said, right? Now I'm getting confused to who said what.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so they're going back to the green buyer.


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[Assistant] Join practices are going to be with Minnesota. He likes to get a team that he's got.


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[Assistant] Still no word on Brazil, uh, in official or even an unofficial off the record capacity. There's no, they, they insist that they haven't heard anything yet.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of logistics that are involved in that, so you'd think that that would come out sooner rather later.


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[Assistant] Well, I will not be making that trip. Why not? Oh lord no.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was awful. I mean, the trip was cool. It was great. Like, it was really cool to be there. Well, luckily, I'm not on the travel list.


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[Assistant] Well, I sat middle seat, Houston to Rio, 13 hours. Oh nooo. I never, like, that broke me. That broke me. He never recovered. I took, I actually, I took my wife, and I gave her the window seat, and I sat in the middle seat.


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[Assistant] I was telling the Browns riders in India, I'm like, listen, don't make my mistake. Go through Miami. Don't go through Houston. It cuts like two or three hours off the trip. If you take Americans from Miami and I guess it's to Sao Paulo. So it's probably even a longer flight than real.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I, I will not be doing, I have no interest in doing that game, but they, they can have fun with it, y'all have fun.


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[Assistant] I'll be doing it right from Maria. But I mean it's a great experience, like I'm a little bit surprised that the league, if this happens, that the league


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[Assistant] Is putting Deshaun on the national stage. Like, I guess. It's the start of the season. Yeaah. I mean, it is the spotlight moment. It's first ever Friday night game.


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[Assistant] In, in 50, 60, 70 years in the NFL. And it makes it like, like if they do this, he's officially out from underneath. You know, they've, I felt like they've tried to hide him to this point. They haven't been a lot of national games, but if this happens.


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[Assistant] It's, it's as big as it gets. And, and you know, there's a lot of logistics for the Browns to figure out in terms of when you go out. I thought it was, Rio was the same time zone as Cleveland.


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[Assistant] It's just really far south, but I guess Sao Paulo is like two hours ahead.


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[Assistant] Uh, but it's not dra- it's not like, you know- It's not a drastic change. No, it's not like going to Germany or something where it's six, eight hours ahead or anything like that. It's still relatively close, but they'll have to figure out when do you go out there. Obviously you come home right after, but you know, figuring out a practice schedule for that. So, uh, it has to be announced first, like they still say they don't know. Other interesting things from Kevin yesterday?


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[Assistant] He used to under Kevin, that's what's weird. His first year or two, there was a lot of pre-stamp motion. I mean, I don't have the numbers, I'd like to go back and get the rankings. I'm trying to find the numbers from Dorsey last season in Buffalo, how much motion they used.


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[Assistant] It feels like 2020, 2021, there was a lot more.


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[Assistant] Pre-snap motion with the Browns in what they showed last year, because you're right, last year nobody moved. And I'm telling you, the defense...


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[Assistant] Bad. Especially as a DB. Pets. And that's part of, that's part of, I think is Kevin's strength is the misdirection. And you think we're going here, we're actually going there.


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[Assistant] One thing that AB said the other day that struck me, when, when Deshaun first came here, I know that there was...


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[Assistant] There was a, I won't say it was concerted effort, but there was a thought of, let's try and limit some of the unnecessary hits that Deshaun takes. We don't want Jalen Hurts out here running around getting killed for no reason. And yet, it just feels like next year,


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[Assistant] They're just gonna let Deshaun do whatever he wants to do. Because AB was asked, is there any sort of fear?


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[Assistant] Of you need to protect him coming off this bizarre shoulder injury that doesn't happen very often. And do you, do you need to like protect him or do you just cut him loose and let him go? And Andrew said it'll be more of the latter. And it just, that just tells me that between restructuring this entire offense and now like just cutting them loose.


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[Assistant] For two years now, he has not played up to the level. He's had some good moments last year. I don't wanna, I don't wanna misconstrued that. He had some good games last year and some good moments. But I think we can all sit here and say, has he lived up to the expectation that we thought he would after two years? I can say I don't think he has. Do you think he has? No. But I think it's awful.


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[Assistant] But there's a difference in cutting Joe Flacco loose from the pocket and just ripping around the field and cutting Deshaun Watson loose on scrambles and bootlegs and everything else where you're exposing them to hits.


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[Assistant] And I think it's what you're gonna see. I think they're gonna, I think they're at the point of saying, listen, this, we're going into year three now. This has to work. We have to make this work. Here we go. Like, what do you want? There's no point holding anything back now.


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[Assistant] It has to work. Like if it doesn't work this year, that's why I wrote today, like if it doesn't work this year, it'll be really interesting to see.


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[Assistant] He said not necessarily. What's the next question? Like, you don't want to talk about anymore. But, because the more that you restructure a contract, the harder it is to get out of at the end. The more painful it is at the end to get out of. And they've done a really nice job of, like, I wrote it for today, like,


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[Assistant] They, they nailed the cap in terms of projecting how, how high it was going to go. Barry said it fell without specific numbers. It landed about where they thought it would. And they did a really nice job. They picked the right contracts to restructure, uh, in terms of like Miles last year and Njoku last year. Joel was a little bit of a risk just because he's getting a little bit older.


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[Assistant] Wyatt coming off the calf last year was a little bit of a risk, but they, they, they picked the right guys. Obviously they've already restructured Denzel. Now we'll see if they restructure Deshaun again because they've already, the cap number this year is 64 million. If they restructure it and lower it to


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[Assistant] A more manageable number. Well, now you're gonna push next year's number over 70 million.


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[Assistant] And then you're gonna push more dead money to the end when he's not even under contract.


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[Assistant] And that's where Atlanta really kind of burned itself. Atlanta went back and restructured Matt Ryan one too many times. And they got whacked with a 40 million dollar dead cap charge.


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[Assistant] When Ryan was finishing his career in Indianapolis, he wasn't even on the roster, Atlanta still had a 40 million dollar cap hole on their cap.


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[Assistant] So that's what you're trying to avoid. So it's, it's, it doesn't, I don't want to make too much of it because it doesn't necessarily mean they want out of Deshaun if they don't restructure it.


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[Assistant] But it's just curious, if they don't restructure, it's a lot easier to get out of at the end. If it doesn't work and you need to find an exit strategy,


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[Assistant] I think at the end of this year is when you start talking about if he has another poor year, whether through injury or something else.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be a lot harder to do that if they do restructure this, but because of the cap spike, because of some of the other decisions they've made,


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[Assistant] They don't necessarily, Andrew said, they don't necessarily have to restructure it. And that, I don't, I don't want to make it sound like...


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[Assistant] If they don't restructure it, that means they're trying to get out of it. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying.


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[Assistant] If they do restructure it, it will be a lot harder to get out of at the end.


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[Assistant] So the cap number for this year was supposed to be 55 million, but after they restructured it, it became 64 this year, 64, and then it's a 9 million dollar dead cap charge the year after his contract expires. So you just keep kicking the can down the road and the snowball just builds, the more you restructure that contract. Okay, Dave, thoughts?


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[Assistant] If you pick the right guys, it mitigates the damage. Philadelphia's done a really nice job with restructuring the right guys. Like, Philly's been the model of this. They pick the right guys every year, they move money around, and they've never really been murdered by them.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, it's gonna be Chubb. Chubb's gonna be the guy now. And maybe Cooper? I don't know. We'll see who else.


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[Assistant] Well, Chubb, you're gonna probably get 4 or 5 million off of that, I would think. You're gonna turn it, although, I don't know, like Chubb is really interesting because it's not guaranteed. And it depends on how long they want to stretch it out. Yeaah, and it's not even really a restructure with him because it's not guaranteed money.


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[Assistant] It's, we're not going to give you this six, we're not going to give you this eleven you got coming to you. Now can we come up with a number that we can both agree on and then give you incentives to make the rest of it back type thing. So that's different.


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[Assistant] Six and incentives, yeaah. I don't know what they're going to settle on, and because it would be a new deal, like you could make it more, mostly signing bonus in year one, like they did with Deshaun. So there's all kinds of ways around it, and the one advantage that the Browns have, real quick on this,


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[Assistant] The fact that Jimmy Haslam does have the amount of wealth that he does, yes. It makes it not all, I mean look at the Bengals. Not all owners are liquid to where, I mean.


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[Assistant] I mean they can always go back and look at the contracts they've already, they could do miles again I guess theoretically. They could go back and hit the contracts they've already hit. I don't have the entire list in front of me. They're already under the cap.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're already under, uh, but obviously you want a little bit more space than that because they got a lot of work to do still in free agency. We're bringing back their own guys and everything else. So Chubb's going to free up some money for them. They could do look at Cooper, although I don't know that I would.


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[Assistant] You'd have to extend them at that point. Miles, they could do again.


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[Assistant] Conklin's interesting. I don't know what they're gonna do there. If you, if you restructure, I would go to him and say, can we get the money back?


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[Assistant] That team still controls your rights, right, for the length of the contract?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think you, I think you're running a real risk if you sit that guy. Cause he gonna be right back up to 450. Yup. Yup. You got, he's gotta play. He's gotta play.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Yukon has a chance to become the first repeat champion since the Florida Gators back in what, 2006, 2007 with Joaquin Noah, Al Horford, and those guys. They're the number one seed defending national champs.


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[Assistant] Al Horford, yeaah. I mean, they had three top ten picks, but they're the best chance we've seen in a real repeat. Yeaah, they look great. They bring back a bunch of guys that won the title last year. Yeaah. The number one overall seed, their coach Dan Hurley is a maniac. So I do think there is... His father is intimidating people behind them.


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[Assistant] The opinion I'm giving you today is based on what I'm hoping is true, which is it does include the 50 year option, and if you find out it doesn't,


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[Assistant] If it doesn't, I'll come back and I'll change my thought. But for this, I do believe it does include the 50 year option. I was in the gym yesterday when this happened. I see the number. 4 years, 58, 41, Garrett, I'm like, 3 years.


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[Assistant] Well, it's four after this one, so through the 2027 season. Like, that's a lot of money. At the end of the day, that's a lot of money for a guy who's yet to have a thousand yard season. He's come close. But then when you take out the 50 year option.


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[Assistant] It comes down to a three year, $45 million extension after this year with 28 million guaranteed. And this is what the free agent contracts look like this summer.


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[Assistant] No, no, let me just, let me just say. But it is to an extent. No, it's not because those guys were free agents. He wasn't. So it doesn't matter. He got a contract extension based on what he would get in free agency next summer. They're paying. Andrew Berry is paying it now.


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[Assistant] To get ahead of the potential of next season after 2024.


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[Assistant] Jerry Judy with the Sean Watson or whoever's at quarterback for the Browns.


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[Assistant] Has a thousand yards, eight touchdowns, coming into a week free agent class for 2024, he could be getting Calvin Ridley-esque money.


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[Assistant] He'll be 25, a former first round pick coming off his best season, the price tag for a player. Well, Calvin really didn't, not coming off his best season.


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[Assistant] 45 million over three years, 15 million annual average value, 28 million guaranteed, which is right in line with the Moonies. It's more than that.


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[Assistant] It's 2 million more over 3 years. It's 6 million in total. Like it's essentially within that same range. And if you, and we asked the question on the Monday after he signed, where would you rank?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Curtis Samuel, that was the next biggest free agent wide receiver contract.


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[Assistant] Three years, 15 million in Buffalo, he replaced Gabe Davis. Yeaah. We asked rank the four receivers, Judy,


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[Assistant] Hollywood Brown, Gabe Davis, and Calvin Ridley, we all said,


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[Assistant] He was right in that same tier as Davis and them. So you're paying slightly more for a guy with probably a little more potential. I see why the brands did this.


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[Assistant] Right, there was no reason to do that. But if you wait any balls out, then you're going to be paying 20-25 million next season.


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[Assistant] Okay. Jerry Judy gets anywhere close to those numbers, which I think is very realistic, assuming Deshaun Watson's Deshaun Watson, he's younger than Ridley. Right.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure that last year Dallas was the Cooper Rush year too, by the way, which probably plays a factor in it.


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[Assistant] But with the potential to be higher. He just hasn't reached that level yet. All they need him to do is be good.


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[Assistant] That's all I need. I think one thing we're missing in this whole discussion too is before the extent.


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[Assistant] Cooper, Judy, and Elijah Moore were all set to be free agents after the 2024 season.


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[Assistant] That's a hell of a debacle to have yourself in as a general manager, knowing that all three of your guys are free agents after the season. You better hope you got it right. I'm with you. There's certainly risks to this deal.


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[Assistant] And if, if they had waited six games in to sign the extension, I probably would have liked it even more knowing what Jerry Judy looked like in the system.


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[Assistant] But also knowing how Andrew Barry works and how the Browns like to navigate the cap, be ahead of things, be two steps ahead and then let the cap catch up. With the inflation we saw in running backs, none of us thought


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[Assistant] Uh, DeAndre said we'd get 24 million, right? Like, because the cap went up, they all got these higher, higher numbers. Right, right. But the cap probably won't jump quite as high. But even so, even if it goes a tiny bit up.


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[Assistant] To overpay by $2 million a year compared to Darnell Mooney and Gabe Davis this year. As opposed to what he can get in the free agent market, even if he doesn't have a great seed. Let's say he replicates 972 yards in 15 games, not 10 games, and 4 touchdowns.


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[Assistant] That receiver is going to cost an extra $4, $5, $6 million just because the cap naturally is going up. And then you have to deal with re-signing or making the decision or making the decision.


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[Assistant] Take the fifth year into it, so it's 45 over 3, just for the sake of this. It's 3 for 15 each, whatever, whatever the, uh, it's 28 million guaranteed divided by 3, so it's.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but if, if it is the 28 million, uhm, over 3, it's like 9 and a half million, whatever. At the end of the day,


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[Assistant] When you look at the market, like, that's right in line with what he would have got paid. Now yes, they traded forms, so you have to include a 5th and 6th round pick in that price tag.


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[Assistant] I know. I'm just saying, for the level of receiver Jerry Judy is, production wise, he has more yards than Davis and Mooney in their career, all in the same draft class. He has too fewer receptions than Mooney, excuse me.


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[Assistant] Way more than Gabe Davis. Now Davis has an incredible touchdown number.


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[Assistant] But it's right in line with those two guys. And if you were asking me, take out how they were acquired.


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[Assistant] In a spin cycle and said, alright, pick one. Who do you think is the best receiver out of the three?


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[Assistant] I would take Jerry Judy. So if you have to overpay a tiny bit.


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[Assistant] I thought the Calvin Ridley contract was the worst contract signed by any team this offseason.


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[Assistant] If you're, if you're in a one year scenario, this is make or break. Aren't the Browns in a one year scenario? This is an entire make or break season. If they got Keenan Allen, I'd be doing back flips for a fourth round.


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[Assistant] I saw another thing last night talking about Judy and how the targets were split up last season for the Browns between Cooper and Joku, Moore, uh, Tillman, all the way down. You know, they have mouths to feed.


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[Assistant] And I don't think any one receiver is going to get a lion's share of the targets like Devontae Adams did in Las Vegas or Justin Jefferson gets in Minnesota. So maybe those numbers are going to be a little lower because it'll be more evened out across the board.


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[Assistant] But I don't think a thousand and five is out of question by any means. The Browns have three mouths to feed.


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[Assistant] I think it'll be around. I'll say, I'll say the same. And Joku had 137. And I'm going to know the


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[Assistant] It's definitely, he definitely saw more target share and receptions later in the years that went on. Yeah. Uh, but his game by game breakdown in terms of targets. Yeah. Internet's moving slow as hell today.


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[Assistant] I had to ta- I went off wifi. I'm gonna look it up, cause you're so sure. Alright, I got it right here. Okay. He had...


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[Assistant] So in week one against Cincinnati, three targets. Week two against Pittsburgh, four targets. We don't even know the team. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] He was out against Baltimore. He had seven. That was DTR. Out against San Francisco only at four.


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[Assistant] Indianapolis with PJ Walker, nine. Seattle Walker, eight.


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[Assistant] And then here's where it goes crazy. DTR against Pittsburgh 15.


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[Assistant] I saw a stat last thing. Him and Cooper are now the only tandem in football.


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[Assistant] That have double digit 40 plus yard plays over the last season and a half.


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[Assistant] Or something along those lines. Right, he had a lot of. Cooper had 12 and uh, Judy had 11. Right. In whatever stretch they were looking at, so. Probably only left 4 years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but for every situation, there's like this chance you get a Brock party at. Who's the guy from Tennessee Titans?


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[Assistant] Uh, last thing on the draft best available, they still have two receivers of their top three.


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[Assistant] I know you get a yellow, Elijah Moore's not the one in the top three, whatever. Moore and Cooper.


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[Assistant] About to hit free agency next season, unless there's another contract extension involved.


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[Assistant] You have to add a receiver in the draft, whether it's 54 or later in the rounds to just have the bodies at this point.


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[Assistant] I disagree, but at least I'll hear you out because I know it's not a lock, but Thomas, like, he's not even top 10.


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[Assistant] Is in Berea or Cleveland or wherever they are to sign the contract today. Pen hits paper. Jameis Winston is your quarterback too.


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[Assistant] He trains a lot of quarter, I know Geno Smith works with him. There's a bunch more, I can't think of them without my head.


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[Assistant] I got so enamored with Elijah Moore videos at training camp last year. And I got so infatuated with Deshaun throwing deep balls to Marquise Goodwin.


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[Assistant] And I got so in-involved and invested. Ey, Deshawn looks back, man. I hear Tyvis tell these stories.


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[Assistant] My opinion is not going to change on any one throw. And look, look at Pro Days. I saw you tweet about Pro Days this morning. Zach Wilson, that cross body, 65 yard. The Jets drafted him off that throw. It clearly did not translate to his actual playing career.


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[Assistant] It reminds me of Hard Knocks. Right. Where Hard Knocks and you can selectively edit anything you want. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And they have these guys, every year on Hard Knocks, who you become a fan of, like, K-Juice, or there's a different guy every season. It's a random white dude. A lot of times. And you're like, they make him look really good.


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[Assistant] And all his throws are all his catches. And then he actually comes to cut time. And it's like, he's cut, you never hear from him.


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[Assistant] I'm in the middle now. I think if you're 100% confident, it's a little bit of blind optimism. If you're 100% out,


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[Assistant] You're throwing in the towel way too early. I think the realistic answer is...


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[Assistant] You could feel good and not be 100%. You could be in both camps, which is...


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[Assistant] So. We don't know that. We don't know. We're gonna do something. We're gonna play off that tomorrow, by the way. We don't know for sure.


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[Assistant] It's a gauntlet. Uh, the Chargers could potentially be bad. The Raiders... The Chargers should probably won't be bad. Raid, I mean, with Skardron being the quarterback. They got the Chiefs back on there. But here's the thing. Probably the Raiders. Oh, the Giants and the Redskins, uh, Commandos.


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[Assistant] East, yeaah. The East could have four good teams depending on, oh no, the Patriots, sorry, Patriots are terrible, nevermind, nevermind.


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[Assistant] Take my homes off that roster. Put any other quarterback in football in there. Take that. Josh Allen wins the Super Bowl with that roster. Does Brock Purdy win the Super Bowl with that roster?


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[Assistant] What do you think, Pacheco is the top ten running back? Or the middle pack in running back?


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[Assistant] Bottle the pack and receivers. That's not a weak spot. Pacheco is a good player.


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[Assistant] Would you say that Lebron James, what was the year they made the first, uh, NBA finals? 07. 07. Is that a championship roster? Or did Lebron carry them single-handedly to the championship?


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[Assistant] Their defense was good, it wasn't historically all-time elite. Who said it was historically all-time elite? You're making it seem- No I'm not. We can yell at this for 45 minutes if we want. Listen, you're wrong. No. They have- Put it in a poll.


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[Assistant] Flacco. Yea, with Flacco. What's the record with Flacco? I-I dunno.


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[Assistant] Well he could be a, so you know how there was Mast Kyrie and Mast Lebron.


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[Assistant] You're gonna see Mass Mitchell. The reality of the situation is the catch of 14 games left in the regular season. In my opinion, Donovan needs three regular season games.


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[Assistant] Not two, not four. Three full games. One just to get back into the flow, get his cardio back. Two to actually play to be ready for the postseason. If he wants to sit the next 11 games, I am totally fine. That brings you up until April.


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[Assistant] Uh, April 10th would be that three games to play. Alright. And where at what? What's today, the 20th? The 20th. It's- Let's- Let's- It- It- It's tough.


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[Assistant] He, uh, essentially is calling out Boston for being soft, fake tough guys, and Miami's gonna...


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[Assistant] Repeat what they did last year to them in much more vulgar terminology.


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[Assistant] Other guys have stepped up in different spurts for them when he's been out. Karras D'Avart's had two great back to back games. He scored 20 plus points in back to back games. He hadn't scored 20 points in 25 before that. He's coming on strong. We saw Marcus Morris in his debut, four threes. Probably not replicable on a game to game basis, but it's a chance for JB to figure out


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[Assistant] Is this a dude who we're going to keep around longer than 10 days or not? Oh no. Same with Tristan Thompson. I think he stays till Mowgli's gone, but if he shoots 40... Mowgli's back. Mowgli's back, sorry. If he shoots 40% from three and brings the toughness, the defense, and the, I said this on the podcast yesterday,


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[Assistant] F you mentality that he just brings by his pure nature of a human?


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[Assistant] Like, well him and Tristan, you do have two guys who have theories, who are there. Now, maybe that's the, the nurturing.


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[Assistant] Uh, babysitters that Mobiley and Alan need to kind of learn that mentality.


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[Assistant] I think he's a real tough guy though. At least in a basketball sense. I do. I mean, Morris is about that outside of basketball too. I'm not sure Tristan has the out of bounds tough guy that Morris brother has.


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[Assistant] So you have Mobley. Struce has been out for almost two weeks now. And his ability to generate offense off the ball.


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[Assistant] As a guy teams have to chase around screens has limited JB's playbook, which we already talked about on numerous exchanges, is not very deep to begin with.


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[Assistant] He's also a pretty good defender and gives you some lineup versatility. Him being out has hurt him. Mitchell and Mowgli obviously two of their four best players. Dean Wade's been out, what, five of the last six games. He had personal reasons, now he's missed two games with a knee injury.


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[Assistant] They're scrapping the scrapheap of just fine guys to fill a roster right now. And tonight, against Miami, not only are the Cavs dealing with injuries, Miami's injury report's crazy too.


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[Assistant] Heroes out. Duncan Robinson's out. Josh Richardson's out. Uh, Jimmy Butler's a game time decision. Kevin Love's not playing. Nikola Jovovich is a game time decision. They could have seven, it could be a seven on seven matchup tonight. Does Jimmy Butler still have that weird hairstyle that he's wearing?


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[Assistant] I know who Cooper Flag is. So he's the one and done guy next year who'll be more good to help. That's the problem.


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[Assistant] So, we saw the news yesterday. We all expected that this was not surprising by any means.


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[Assistant] I get the benefits in the long term of why they do it. I get the theory behind


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[Assistant] Saving these guys, calling them up in, in April or May, saving that extra year of service time. But G,


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[Assistant] Here's why they're 100% wrong and I'm looking at my phone because I don't want to get any of these numbers wrong because it's that big of a discrepancy. You ready?


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[Assistant] Manzardo, whatever. If he wants to start in the minors because you have Josh Naylor at first base, fine, so be it. Okay. No, no, no, no, no.


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[Assistant] Okay, fine. If you can make the case for Manzardo, I'm gonna make the case for DeLotter and why this is a travesty. Not just for the Guardians as a team, but for the fans as well. G, you ready for this? Go ahead. In Spring Training this year, the entire Spring Training, here at Chase DeLotter's stats, is a 520 batting average. That's good. Very good.


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[Assistant] In college, as a freshman, 382 batting average. As a sophomore, 386. As a junior, 436 eight home runs. He was on track to be the number one overall pick in the draft before he got injured. That's why he fell to the Guardians. In the minors, G, right? Step up in competition.


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[Assistant] He hit 355 and 214 of bats last season. 355 and 214 minor league at bats in the guardians minor league system. He mashed there. Gets a chance to go against spring training professional pitching. Now those guys want to all be major league pitchers. Granted, he hit 520 with four home runs to lead the team. His 10 RBIs also led the team.


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[Assistant] Chase DeLouder should be your starting center fielder on opening day for the Guardians. I don't want to hear any reason why he's not, and if the Guardians wanted to extend him today, DeLouder, I'd be all for it.


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[Assistant] The apparel this season, if I remember correctly, is like 79 or 82 million, something like that.


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[Assistant] That's what happens. The Guardians are screwing your fans. The reason I'm so frustrated is the latter situation.


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[Assistant] And, man, you make a great point about Manzardo, I was just looking at it from first base, you have Naylor, you could platoon him, I get all that. The thing with the ladder is, okay, maybe he's not 100% ready yet.


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[Assistant] We know sure as hell Mild Straw can't hit. And Floria, I just looked up his professional numbers, he's got a, and granted he's not a ton, he's 150, MLB at bat.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know, he doesn't have, he hits 214 at bats versus 2,666. There's a reason he's a career minor leaguer.


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[Assistant] I s- but it's still 143 more than another guy who has been absolutely raking at every level he's ever played. I know, but he's only played an A ball, Mike. That doesn't mean he's gonna hit an A- He's not a kid out of high school though.


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[Assistant] Which is why I started this whole thing with, I get it, I'm just frustrated because the other two options you're telling me are blocking him from being there are Miles Straw and a guy in Florida who I just don't think is good. Exactly, exactly.


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[Assistant] It's not uncommon and I get why, once again, I get why they did it and this was to be expected. It's just frustrating as hell.


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[Assistant] So by May-ish, fans can expect Minnesota to allow them?


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[Assistant] Uh, ehm, we got Super Chess in one second. One last question.


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[Assistant] Life is like a bullpen, year to year. Throwing out facts.


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[Assistant] Also, I'm shocked someone said you were right on the Judy trade after you started this whole thing on people are mad at me because I didn't like the deal. Yeaah, you doubt you loved the deal.


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[Assistant] Tomorrow is part two of the conversation with Cecil Shortz. Uh, we, we stand on this mental health kick. On part two of this conversation, he's gonna talk about planning an NFL.


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[Assistant] And welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. You just heard it. That was the voice of the Cavaliers, Tim Alcorn on the Buzzer Beater from Max Struz, AKA Super Max. And welcome on to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. How we are doing?


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[Assistant] And this is half the reason why we'd be so going in on Darius Garland. It's not because he'd be playing bad. It's because you'd be messing our 25-leg parlays up, dawg. You'd be having Mnemoski assist. Like some days you'd be like, I'ma put him down for six.


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[Assistant] I put the whole, the whole, the whole game.


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[Assistant] For him, like at seven, I said really quick seven, right? Uh, as I went through the, uh, you know, some of the games that I was going through in my mind. I think this, this game was more important and it hit different is because this game, as I was tweeting, this game had playoff.


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[Assistant] Atmosphere. Yes. This had playoff style. The rest was even letting them play.


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[Assistant] In that, in that fourth quarter, Kyrie came down, um, he wanted a foul, didn't get it. Uh, Daris Garland came down on a layup on an iso, uh, and he didn't get it. So they was letting the guys play a little bit, um, but Matt, you know, that game to me was almost over. They down 10.


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[Assistant] And Max Struths runs off four straight threes, like pull it up with no hesitation.


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[Assistant] And I remember that I was talking to McNuggets the first game of the year, when he was playing against the Nets. I think when they first got him, Max Truce was like, yeah, like,


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[Assistant] And I'm like, you can't, I'm confused Max Truss. This is not what you, you can't come out. I know you don't know the ropes yet, but like that mentality.


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[Assistant] They gon' need this from him. This is the mentality that they gotta have as the others, right? Shaq and Kenny and Jet, they al- they always talk about, you know, TNT to others. Like, when you get to the playoffs, this is about the others, like, especially at home.


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[Assistant] You're gonna need these type performances at home from him, from Paris Lambert, uh, you know what I'm saying, for Isaac O'Coro, and then on the road, or, or, excuse me, on the, on the road.


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[Assistant] And Donovan Mitchell carried you. So do you feel like, do you guys feel like Strews should be more aggressive looking for a shot?


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[Assistant] To me, I think they should have lost. I thought I was tweeting at the time and I could not believe


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[Assistant] First of all, Donovan Mitchell turned the ball over, uhm, just as careless turnover in the backcourt, and they went down to score.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he ended up getting that back because he banked into three. He ended up coming out and getting that back banked into three. But the thing that really hit me was on out of bounds play. On that out of bounds play.


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[Assistant] You gotta, you gotta call something better than that. And my problem is, and shout out to an assistant, I don't know his name, the assistant head coach. He comes over.


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[Assistant] He grabs up JB because JB walking towards the ref.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm like, good job. Man, you gotta be even cute. And then, and then you come out the next couple of plays. I don't know if it was the next play or the play or whatever the case may be.


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[Assistant] But you have out-of-bounds play that was drawn up, that looked like it was drawn up, like somebody playing Ring around the Rosie or, or freeze tag in the backyard. You had three dudes running to the basketball. It was one of the worst joints I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] Because yeaah, and I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna nitpick to win. Uhm, I'll take that dub any, anytime I can get it. And one of the things that we looked at was, you know,


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[Assistant] And play off basketball. I like to look at this, right?


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[Assistant] If, say for instance, we playing those, those Mavericks in a seven game series, right? Games like that shift whole series.


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[Assistant] Right? If this was, if this was one of the Cavs' first two games, it just shows you how delicate it is. If you, if the Cavs, just say this is game two of the series, Cavs won the first game, second game they play like that.


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[Assistant] McNuggets, uh, we got our guests before we get to them, we got, uh, gotta read.


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[Assistant] Um, when things like that happen, when you're making your call, are you going off just raw emotion? Or do you have some stuff that you kind of rehearse? Like, yeah, I'm gonna say this just so I know what to go to. Or do you just kind of just go with the flow? Like what goes into making a real classic?


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, like you said, this is a perfect segue. One more question before we, uh, let you get out of here, Tim. Uhm, when you look at the Cavaliers and being in the second slot in the East, so a lot of people that, that, that, if you would have told us that before the season,


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, we would have been head over heels. Do you think there's some?


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[Assistant] You know, there's, there's some level of resistance. Uh, there's some people or fans that aren't, you know, all the way in on the bandwagon just because of the way their series ended with the Knicks because, you know, right now the Cavs are playing.


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[Assistant] Do you feel like the people still have this thing in their mouth, nasty taste in their mouth where they don't actually see this year how well the Cavs are playing compared to last year?


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[Assistant] Tim, thanks for taking some time out of your day to come chop it up with us. We'll talk to you very soon.


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[Assistant] Uh, play by play, voiceman of the, of the Cleveland Cavaliers, great call from him on the Cavs game. He got that, he got that gritty voice. Like he got a little Joe Tate in him and that's hard, that's hard to say. Pause. Yes, go ahead. Not always great talking to Tim.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, the, the, the inflation, uh, people out there, all of the, you know, listen, the national deficit people out there.


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[Assistant] You guys have been fear mongering over this salary cap for all of what, two and a half years?


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[Assistant] Gee Bush, the chickens are gonna come home to roost. You can't have everybody, Gee Bush. You got, you can't kick the can down the road. Listen, you can't be telling me about you kicking the can down the road and you don't balance the checkbook.


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[Assistant] Are you non-passing ACT guys talking about, you talk about finances. Oh, you know what? You can't pay that. That's, we ain't got no money. How you know?


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[Assistant] Oh, all those big name contracts that you guys always hammer and rail on. Oh, one by one every negotiate. And then you end up at the end of free agency with a bag of money to give somebody else. Stop falling for the same old rules every single year. You fall for it every year. And there is a second thing you piggyback it with.


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[Assistant] We don't want no, we don't got no money. Half the reason you say you ain't got no money and you know you got that money is because of one thing. You want to see Deshaun Wassa play with no help. Because if you see Deshaun Wassa play with no help.


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[Assistant] Hey, the quarterback makes everyone better. Alright, well let me do, if that worked, you sit in this chair as a host and go get me a producer from middle school. Go get me, go get me a graphics director from high school that failed out of high school. You couldn't make that work? No. Why not?


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[Assistant] All I'm saying is this, all I'm saying is, is yes, like, we got this money, the money is available, the money is here.


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[Assistant] Now, I just would like people not to get in their feelings and start telling me who they don't need.


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[Assistant] I saw you on the show the other day, Earl. You said, look, if it's between a top-notch pass rusher,


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[Assistant] I'd rather take a defensive end than a Minimowski mid-tier mild sauce receiver. Like who? Gabe Davis.


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[Assistant] The Browns, they could do, they could do it even though they don't have to because the Browns is the Browns and the Cavs is figuring out the hard way.


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[Assistant] It's that, when you get that spotlight, when they, when you get that love, when you, when you the first, when you the first born, it's different types of responsibilities to that. You get, you the first to get beat, you the first to get put on punishment, you the first that gotta come do these chores, but you get all the credit for everything. Go watch your brother.


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[Assistant] That's why I get all the money up. So anyway, uhm, yeaah, but Nick Chubb though, you know, they got an opportunity to come out and say, look, we redid Nick Chubb's contract and Nick Chubb is going to be a Cleveland Bound for life.


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[Assistant] Like, I want the eyeballs on my Twitter too. Is this you? You petty like. I'm super petty. Especially when it comes to stuff. Because bro, this, like, we begin, we, I can understand that we getting fired from people outside the camp. We getting most of the fire from the people inside the camp.


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[Assistant] I'm not, listen, listen, I'm not Jay Crawford. I don't live in, like, I'm not, uh, listen, y'all got houses, y'all can just go in the bunker and pretend none of this happens. I'm still on the street level, low key. And I got a lot of energy cause I be like, do I feel like letting you get that off today? No, I don't. Is this you?


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[Assistant] What are the chances that... That he don't play well? That he has a full season that's not hurt. Not hurt, played a whole season. What's the chances of him having a bad year?


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[Assistant] Are you guys worried about the fact that two more weeks means there's two more weeks to the chance that you can get injured?


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[Assistant] That got something to do with it. I think it will. Like, they switched that up kinda quick. Bronze is going to Brazil.


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[Assistant] And if you, if you any part of the non-essential staff, you should be very excited about going to Brazil. You should be ecstatic about going to Brazil.


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[Assistant] I gotta tell you too. That's like, if I come in today and be like, we going on a guys trip, it's just me, Tyvis, and Earl. She like, no.


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[Assistant] Right, when you got in the league, you was like, he told me he's 30, but you had put in a lot of work.


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[Assistant] And, and, and getting to where you was, you had a really crazy journey of getting there, working jobs, and, and going to these schools, and I, I believe you was, you was in your mid-twenties when you got into the league.


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[Assistant] That's cra- for a lot of people that don't know what I'm saying, that's older. Yeah, usually you hit the league at 22. Tell us about, tell us about what you had to do to get to where you are today and like the grind you had in the beginning.


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[Assistant] They'll say, oh yeah, we don't need that dude here distraction. And I'll be looking at him like,


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[Assistant] You give your story, you come from, you know, you remember having no money in your pocket in the middle of Kansas down bad.


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[Assistant] You know, when this, when Deshaun comes through and, and you know what I'm saying, y'all was winning games for him, for game four and one and coming off the Ravens game.


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[Assistant] You like, man, he 14 and 14. Like, tell us about, you know, how Deshaun is on the field, what he's like in the locker room, and do you think he's gonna be able to bounce back and become the guy that he was in Houston?


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[Assistant] Who was really just over the top? Like who was somebody in the locker room when we talk about this gear? Cause, cause we passionate about the gear. We passionate about the fits, obviously. Who, who got the craziest like?


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[Assistant] Who got the craziest gear where you just be like, oh, this dude is doing too much. Like he, he really killing cats. Like when you talk, when you go back and forth for somebody, you like, I got you though. Like I, look, I got more than you. Who got the craziest joints? We ain't even worried about him no more.


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[Assistant] You seem like the type of person, your peoples, they got a strong background, they're not about to let you go out like that. They're like, woah, woah, woah, woah, you're not about to bike, you got three more years, you need to budget on that. Like, how do you hold yourself down from being like, I'm trying to keep up with everybody else?


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[Assistant] Or I want to go look like a certain thing, but I might not be at a position where I can really do that comfortably.


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[Assistant] Your type is just to say like, yo, like he used to be so mad when he brought his check in. He was like, look, look at these union dudes right here. They come straight out and let me look at these state taxes, right? If you ever look at your check and be like, yeah, this is crazy, but this is crazy what they take it out of my check too.


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[Assistant] How have you learned to tell people no in creative ways?


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[Assistant] I, yeaah, I had somebody ask me for some racks one time, and I ain't even played nothing.


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[Assistant] You know, you know what's so crazy is, I always think about different things like, fine, it's like,


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[Assistant] What is, what is some things that, like, you know, maybe people might not know about, like, different rules that NFL, like, that players have that, like, fans think that y'all don't got or wouldn't know?


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[Assistant] That y'all got different rules where it's like, y'all you can't do that, you can't do this.


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[Assistant] Who, who was, who was like one of the best players you played against, like, like on the opposing team, you were like?


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[Assistant] You seen him before, but you saw him up close. It's like dang. He kinda nice. I ain't even know he's nice like that.


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[Assistant] I was waiting to see that more. I'm like, yo, listen, put him in the basketball stance. Hey, hey, we need to have him switching back and forth.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, yeah man. And I said it, I was, I think my lips was dry too and everything.


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[Assistant] How many words have you ever heard Nick Chubb say? Oh nah, Nick Chubb be talking.


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[Assistant] I was going to ask you, uh, you know, what, you know, is there a limit to what you going to play on these tickets? Like, you know what I'm saying? I see, I think I see Dwayne Jones jumping up around behind like the seat. He was. He was? He was. He's jumping around. I'm like, hey, bro, that dude is big on TV right now. I ain't gonna lie.


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[Assistant] That is not a championship roster. That's an absurd comment. They were not a championship roster. Yes they were. They weren't. They just didn't have great receivers. Where else were they terrible? Okay, you want to go through this? The offensive line wasn't great. Not everything has to be great. The offensive line was great.


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[Assistant] Ah listen, G Bush here, leader of the Kool-Aid Mafia. I'm going to let you know why the Browns could be named the Brook Park Browns. Coming up, McNuggets!


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[Assistant] Did you not just see that home run just get hit? Hey, you know, we talk about preseason all the time. I think the most useless preseason games happen to be a baseball. I mean, pitchers is out there like, listen, I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna only throw curve balls.


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[Assistant] That, that lot works for, for Mighty Mikes and little children playing in hot stoves. That's what works out.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's a couple of teams who will never change their look jersey colors. The Cleveland Browns will always have brown jerseys. Uhm, this area is very conservative, they will never allow


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[Assistant] When the browns moved the first time, they fought for the name, they fought for the colors, so...


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[Assistant] And the record, so it's like, Brook Park, no, every other team nationally does not play in the city limits. It's just all about finding the land for the stadium. Uh, Brook Park won't even be mentioned. They'll be like, live from Cleveland, Ohio, it's the Browns versus Bengals.


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[Assistant] No, but the helmet don't have nothing on it. No. But they do have stuff in the middle of the field and they did come up with a nice little, I guess, dog, like they had.


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[Assistant] Like, what are we? We don't have cheerleaders or a band. No. There's no pomp and circumstance.


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[Assistant] And we used to have, we used to have all of the pop and circus. I've been watching a lot of old 80s Browns games and all of them talk about everybody. Dan Marino came in there in 1993 or something during Monday Night Football and they all talk about the dog pound. They all talk about Cleveland. Now it's just kind of like, maybe by the way, if you're listening,


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[Assistant] You need the goon come, come, uh, you know, playoff time. You need somebody with the ski mask on. That when somebody hoff out Donovan Mitchell, you get a dude to be like, what you doing? Get off Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] He ain't gonna give you much as far as points. He ain't gonna give you much in terms of what he was able to do. Back in the day, people would forget Tristan Thompson was one of the first guys that helped the Cavs beat the Warriors because he could switch off.


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[Assistant] He wasn't giving up too much off the picket roll. You can, you show, he can ice. He can do all those different things. So, uh, Tristan was a, was a valued part. Now he's more of a...


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[Assistant] It's more of a emotional leader. He's more of a Jared Allen, don't you take that. You ain't gotta take that. Next time, I'll need you, don't take that Evan Mobley. He's one of those guys. So you need one of them dudes on the roster. I think that he'll pay dividends when you play in those teams, the Bostons and so on and so forth, the Sixers and stuff.


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[Assistant] And Jay, you gotta look at it like this, when he first came back, I did notice a little bit, my man, Tristan ain't got the lift he used to have, like, okay, I'm thinking, Tristan was a rim runner, energy guy, he could out jump guys, he quick jump, he could get to the second jump quicker than everybody else, but you gotta remember, Tristan Thompson is very undersized.


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[Assistant] He is not seven foot, he's not six ten. Tristan Thompson to me, maybe six foot, you look at him and LeBron in some of them old games. He looking right at LeBron, like six foot seven, six foot eight.


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[Assistant] He might be that, but he was always able to do it because he was at energy, he had that quick bounce, and he had that tenacious attitude. He still got the tenacious attitude, but that bounce, it leaves us all at one point in time.


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[Assistant] If this was being whispered about him? You can't do th- I- I- I- I'm sorry. You can't do this at- if you were at any job, any high level job.


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[Assistant] Like when you no longer are working there or you're disgruntled, like, that's like,


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[Assistant] You automatically, just out of professional respect and courtesy, you never air nobody out. Not only did he do that, he gave him the, that's what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] Do they play, do they play those two teams? Does the Chief play to Jess next year?


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[Assistant] That's what I was getting at. The punishment is going to be if they play the Jets or he's playing against guys. He better watch himself and I'm not saying it just because I ain't got no dog or no horse on the show. He better watch it because dudes take that seriously.


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[Assistant] And he might, he might, you know, going across the middle. He might get a cheap shot. He's gonna get a couple. Yeah, that just.


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[Assistant] That he plays for. Yes. That's the punishment right here because there's a bunch of people around the country saying the same thing. Would you, would we take him on our team?


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[Assistant] I got it. So you're about to drop some dead presidents on Presidents Day. That's the best way to do it. I like that. You know what Presidents Day really has become?


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[Assistant] Bro, these dudes, they'll get you together too. That little hand furnisher boy. Man, if you go in one of them, uh, when they got a sleep number.


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[Assistant] So they say three-fourths of our players sleep on our beds. Them beds be like...


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[Assistant] 12,000 too. They ain't be saying it with a straight face. And I'm like, listen, what I got ain't got nothing to do with no bed. If you got to take medicine to go to sleep, it don't matter what bed you sleeping on. You could be the three little pigs. I could be sleeping on a bed full of hay and be going by what I got.


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[Assistant] I don't trust no team sports besides the ones that we played in middle school. Like, when they had the Tour de France and then your boy had everybody else on his squad. I'm like, how does everybody be on one team but we only want Armstrong to win?


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[Assistant] Jalen Brown was not impressed at all. Jalen Brown was doing Sowers Middle School Ducks.


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[Assistant] I mean, it was bad. I mean, he tried to, he tried everything. He turned, they turned the court to the Boston Garden. Nobody cheered. Tatum, Tatum came out in a King of the North.


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[Assistant] polar bear, white tiger ranger, uh, john snow hoodie, uh, uh, overcoat, trench mafia coat.


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[Assistant] This guy still didn't get no cheers from that. And they're like, listen, we don't, we don't, we don't really, yeaah. It's crazy how far that event has fallen.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think, I think what they're trying to, it's almost like they talk to the guys from the football.


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[Assistant] And what they should be doing is it should be rising stars.


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[Assistant] So here's the thing, even when Steph Curry does that with uh, with Sabrina, it's crazy because


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[Assistant] They had already consulted, already came to the conclusion that if Steph was in the regular three-point contest, it was unfair. They're like, yeah, well, Steph can't be in there. She's the best shooter of all time. Let him go. I want to see more. I want to see more competition that way and more of a something for the fans. But like I'm saying to me,


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm kinda overseeing LeBron or any of y'all start doing anything.


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[Assistant] They could just hold up number 10s real hard and real high when some young guy does something cool.


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[Assistant] I mean I thought it was dope, man. Like, see that's why Donovan is a cool dude, like, you know.


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[Assistant] He's a dude that is big enough for somebody who I felt should have been in the three point contest. It was easy money to put him in there. However, I'm with Earl, I think the three point contest has become the marquee thing. So now you got stars like, you know, I'm actually surprised they put him and Jalen Brunson in.


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[Assistant] I guess because you look at it, Kat won it last year as a big man.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, they could easily put Steph Curry or Klay Thompson in there every single year. I think this is, you know, Dame Dollar is in it. He won it two years in a row now too. So I think that's the marquee, you know, the marquee thing people come to watch as the most dispensed. But I like the fact that


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[Assistant] He's showing his man some love. Like, you know what I'm saying? Hopefully Sam Merrill, if he plays well in the playoffs and down the stretch, next year he'll be a part of it. Uhm, and I think guys like Sam Merrill should be one of the reasons why.


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[Assistant] You know, Earl, you just said something that made me think about that, man. I was watching this and this is just me reading it. This is just me looking at body language. I could be right, I could be wrong.


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[Assistant] Jalen Brunson came in and was sitting on that bench and he was in the three point shootout and he was all about business. Jalen Brunson was over there like, yea, I ain't talking to nobody, I don't need to talk to nobody. Matter of fact, yea, I'm cool. And then Donovan Mitchell was sitting next to him and it wasn't like they was kumbaya. I think when I look at it as the season continues to progress on, it almost seems like


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[Assistant] Donovan Mitchell, yeaah, you can go to New York.


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[Assistant] But is you really going to get the love? Like let's be clear. They love Jalen Brunson in New York and Jalen Brunson is trying to beat you and he has been beating you. Now all of a sudden you going to take a max deal to go what? Share the ball with Jalen Brunson. At least here they'll give you the ball and you get the ball over anybody.


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[Assistant] Like, I think as you start to look at this thing progress, it's gonna get harder and harder and harder for him to go to New York. Unless he wants to do the broken things.


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[Assistant] Let me be truthful with you. Who's that? I think these, the players be lying. Like, players are, yes, they're basketball players, but they have professions just like we do, right?


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[Assistant] When you're choosing a job or you're choosing a place to work, right, you look at a couple of different things. Are you making a lateral move or are you making a move up?


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[Assistant] A lateral move is like, okay, I'm going to move from where I'm doing right now and go to another place that I don't know nobody. Utah to Cleveland, lateral? Oh, listen, that is...


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[Assistant] Actually, to be truthful, he thought it was a lateral move, but I think afterwards he found out it was an upgrade.


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[Assistant] Because he felt like when they had Rudy Gobert they had hit a wall of what they could be with that team playing that style. You get to Cleveland, now you're like, okay, well let me see what we got. You got young bigs, you got moldable bigs, bigs that like, you know, Jared Allen and Mobley are gonna play


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[Assistant] Also, they look at the money. The money, alright, am I gonna get a max deal? Yea, you'll get a max deal. Okay, uhm, how do I get along with the other best player on the team?


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[Assistant] Darius Garland seems to be very moldable. Guy that does not have that.


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[Assistant] Hey, how do I get along with my coach? Can JB play a different way? I think part of the reason he didn't get along with JB to start with was because he wasn't playing the way he wanted to. They go out, they do the four out, one in.


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[Assistant] So when you go and you get there, it's gonna be you, Jalen Brunson, and some pieces. Probably Julius Randall.


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[Assistant] That's it. All them rest of them first round picks, all the rest of them little, the scrappers and the rebounders and the three and D guys.


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[Assistant] Dem is on their way somewhere else to make the deal work. So if you're a smart man, like I think he is, I think he's a highly intelligent guy, based on the way he talks and what he doesn't say.


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[Assistant] Cleveland got a better roster, they got better younger talent.


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[Assistant] I got more control here. This fan base is really good. I could do my thing and I think it's better than Utah. I think it's better than, I think it's better than living in New York.


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[Assistant] And now he just seems to be more content because he's like, oh, I can win here. He just had to get the nasty taste out of his mouth from taking that L to New York.


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[Assistant] Shoot or shoot, don't care. Shoot or shoot. I don't think the, I don't think the woman would ever do it. Uhm, they wanna, they wanna go head to head and show that they can play. Then why not use the men's ball?


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[Assistant] Because that's an abridge too far. Oh, I see. They don't want to go all the way. They don't want to go all the way. I see. I'm not trying to give all my advantages away. You want me to shoot with this ball too? Nah, I'm cool.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, I think they would never do it because that's the, the distance is what they're asking for, right? I think somebody can tell, they can sell yourself one. Alright, well, their hands are smaller, yeaah, it's hard for them to pull a basketball. Yeaah, let's go ahead and just let them get their money off, you know what I'm saying? But here's the thing, I thought,


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[Assistant] You didn't go to that. You didn't go to that. He missed that day at work. You can't, hey, I didn't make no way. Listen, you ain't heard me say nothing about no toys or nothing. You forget that. But nah, I thought he was going to get in trouble with that. But look, at that point it was like, I think what's the name? Safety, but a little bit.


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[Assistant] I think, uh, Ernie tried to say, well, we're gonna, we're gonna move away from that. I don't know how much money they give Ernie just to move these guys away from landmines.


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[Assistant] You know, the momentum in women's college basketball is right now.


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[Assistant] All I know is I've seen her on State Farm. Yeah, that's a big one. The State Farm bag is legit. And the crazy part about it is they're not even in season, right? So they gotta go.


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[Assistant] They didn't play the game on that, right? No, no, no. They didn't play the game on that.


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[Assistant] It's dead. I think it would be kind of playing, if you're in the Cleveland area, if you know, you know, if you played basketball. In high school, uhm, we used to play, uh, Cleveland St. Joe. In Cleveland St. Joe, you said it's tile floor. It was great. It was, it's tile, it's not even, it wasn't even wood.


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[Assistant] They're about to have elementary school gym. Yea, this is praise and worship after this. Pastor Fred is going to come up here and do praise and worship afterwards. And everything's different.


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[Assistant] And you got, you got a pizza party down there to the left. They're all Chuck E. Cheese kids. All the Chuck E. Cheese and they got the, and usually they have synthetic lanes.


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[Assistant] Actually, actually McNuggets, if you go, if you watch, there's a channel online called Ballers Life. They got like, you know, street ballers and guys like that. And they have these dunk contests where they be dunking, doing all kind of crazy stuff. Here's the thing.


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[Assistant] Those guys can do it on 10 foot rims. Like these dudes are the best dunkers in the world. For a long time, people used to think that the best jumpers and dunkers were, were in the NBA. That's not necessarily true. There's guys out there that can really, really fly. Me? Earl, look, put him, put him, give Earl that trampoline. He ready to go.


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[Assistant] See, here's how... Man, that's an indictment on your All-Star. Here's how they gotta do it though. You're supposed, this is supposed to be a year long thing, bro. You have to obviously tape it in the summertime or whatever, but you would tape it where you would be going through these regional finals and stuff.


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[Assistant] And you would have different cities represent different cities. Like you would have a, a Oprah run in Chicago, Oprah run in LA. You would tape it. You would follow the lives of these people and be like, yeah, like, you know, get to actually know these people, put it on TV and then play it after one of your games. Like play it after a TNT game.


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[Assistant] So then people at least get to know about it, know about these individuals, right? Cause you put it on TV and then you always make it better with the bag.


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[Assistant] Like, you, you talking, if you want somebody to care, give them life changing money. Say it's two, three million dollars. Gee, we're getting to the incentives, don't worry.


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[Assistant] Shannon Sharp has almost 20 million views just interviewing Cat Williams.


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[Assistant] Can I, can I add something to it? Of course. I like the stakes to be a little bit higher.


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[Assistant] That, that game. Because now individual pride is on the line. You could, like, that game, I don't see, I don't see how Kevin Durant loses.


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[Assistant] That, I mean, he's like, go, just go watch if you want to watch that, that, go watch the USA basketball team. But him Kyrie. Yep. Great video.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think what they should do is, I think every player, every player should sponsor a family.


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[Assistant] And, like, based on how you play or, you know, what, what you're... So, so how it would do is...


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[Assistant] If you playing for somebody and you know they ain't got it, you'll play hard.


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[Assistant] You like, cause you like, well I'm already rich bro, but like.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? If everybody sponsor a player like on a team.


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[Assistant] And they know for a fact that in Red Day's story, uhm,


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[Assistant] Like, you can make it crazy where, like, I winner that that family's gonna get a million dollars based on if you won or not. Be like, man, I'll play hard as heck. I would hope they would, but who knows?


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[Assistant] So, so if you, if you mean to tell me.


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[Assistant] Remember the 25 point, the 25 point shot that used to come from the rim, down from the ceiling, right? Here's the thing too, I would tell it like, I would have another rim, if you gonna gimmick it out, just make it all gimmicky.


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[Assistant] I would pull a side rim out and have it at 11.


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[Assistant] Stun. You know, McNuggets, I would tie everything that they do into a formula for all NBA.


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[Assistant] I would, I would, like, did you, that goes from how many games you play?


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[Assistant] Uhm, what did you do? Did you make the All-Star team? What did you do in the All-Star game? The mid-season tournament? Did your team make the championship? Did you win it? And I would have every single thing that those things moving towards.


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[Assistant] Whether you make all NBA or not, because all NBA to me is like, it is a creative thing that the league has. It's not the MVP or defensive player of the year, but all NBA dictates how much money you actually do make. Like it's like, oh, like if you haven't made a first or second all NBA team,


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[Assistant] That's a big thing for some people. Like, I make it, I make it all incentivized to say, alright, well look, if you want to be an all-NBA, you better play hard during an all-star game, because this counts.


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[Assistant] The names are kinda like, okay, alright. I get the gist of what they're saying.


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[Assistant] This is like, this like, oh no, this is a yellow reverse draw two. Uh, DTR is young and he got hurt, so I don't know if he didn't...


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[Assistant] Well in a couple of games, I guess, or medium, and then he played really bad against...


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[Assistant] You know, some really good teams like the Ravens. Deshaun Watson isn't really unproven. He's had some...


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[Assistant] Good in his past. But he is a question mark. But he is a question mark because of all three things you said. It's not the age, but it's his injury, it's the contract, and it's his availability. So I would give it a yellow.


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[Assistant] Can we do a poll with these side by side with the chat?


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[Assistant] G, where do you fall on this? Man, as much as this hurts me, uhm.


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[Assistant] It kills me to say that. I gotta go yellow. And it's, it's a, it's a big, it's a, it ain't no like regular yellow. This is like a deep yellow.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, Nick Chubb had a diagnosis of a dislocated knee, three torn ligaments, posterior cruciate ligament, which is the PCL, medial collateral ligament, MCL, and cartilage damage. Now, let me give you this.


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[Assistant] That one, when I would just say that report ain't from the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] When you talk about man levels, he'd have already had major, major, major, major surgery. Then you come back and then he's 27 now. He tears his ACL. He tells his LCL.


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[Assistant] Now think about it. I didn't have two ACL surgeries. Jay didn't have three ACL surgeries.


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[Assistant] It's just different. The medicine is great and lovely, but like they always tell you.


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[Assistant] It don't, it don't never really, it don't never really come back the way it came, but like, it's just, it's just different.


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[Assistant] Someone else's leg. Oh, that's like, so for me, told my right one.


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[Assistant] Then I tore my left one. I was completely ready to go with this one. I just made a cut and this one blew out.


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[Assistant] So when you're correct, this knee, shout out to Dr. Ray Tester. But this knee, like I said, this is somebody else's, like. It feels different. It's a weather machine. It'll swell up when it wants to. I can't work out for more than four days in a row. I always have to get it drained. Can't run on concrete. You know, surfaces hurt, different shoes hurt.


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[Assistant] And it's, it's, it's basically now you're dealing with the arthritis stuff. So what I'm saying to people is he already had a surgery, catastrophic surgery. Then let's not be, let's be clear. 2020, he missed six games with a knee surgery.


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[Assistant] When he was at his peak. So he's had three knee surgeries. I can't really say that he's gonna be just be peachy keen. The only reason I gave it a yellow was because he's that good. Cause I don't even think Jerome Ford.


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[Assistant] I think he's a serviceable guy, but I'm not putting no eggs in no basket of Jerome Ford.


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[Assistant] So, I'm gonna put up the chopper, we'll get you the chopper results in a sec.


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[Assistant] I think blue and pink means that's an A mixed with a D.


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[Assistant] Minus. So therefore you get around somewhere average. Maybe.


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[Assistant] The majority of them, I gotta go, I gotta go with that. You gotta go pink. They got pink.


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[Assistant] The Browns and when you want to talk about whether the Browns is doing something that you like.


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[Assistant] When I look at the San Francisco 49ers, they have moves where it's splash. They were already in the Super Bowl. They said, let me go get Christian McCaffrey.


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[Assistant] They already had Joey Bosa and- Let's get Chase Young. Give me Chase Young. They already, they got, they had Debo, give me IU, they still got Kittle. Like, they have, they went out and got Trent Williams. Like, they have gone and overdone it.


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[Assistant] Alright, Nanny bought 17 receivers, McNuggets, 17. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Actually, if you, if you, like, I think, like, David Najoku is really just me. See, he just now learning from me, learning how to get open. Like, he just really, and he don't even really run.


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[Assistant] Like sometimes you ever see watching the NFL and receivers just look like they just naturally, uh, uh, they anticipate the contact and just fall down. Like he's like, hold on, let me just stiff arm a couple of these DBs. Hey, I'm bigger than these dudes. I think he really, the light has gone off. I like Harrison Bryant.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I like what they do with Harrison Bryant. I mean, he does a lot of different other things. I even like their third tight end. Uhm, what was his name? Was it Akins?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think food chip is fair. All in agreement. Do you still, I still, there's one thing I can nitpick with. Uhm, I feel like, like Njoku should be more of a target in the red zone. I still don't see it. I don't understand that either. It's just not an option down there. And I don't get it. It's crazy to me a little bit.


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[Assistant] And he has a lot of, here's the thing I have to worry about.


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[Assistant] I understand when you are that massive and you have any, any sort of injuries to your lower body, that's tough.


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[Assistant] Especially at that position. Especially at that position because it's going to take you bending. It's going to take a lot of wear and tear. You're bending and getting in a pass that you need your legs and your feet.


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[Assistant] I mean, Jeff Wills, he had brought his play up, but his play had a long way to go. Uhm, so you have Jack Conklin being hurt the last three years.


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[Assistant] Those are your two tackles, but then you got Dewan Jones, who probably is the future.


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[Assistant] And so, you gotta find three of those guys to play two positions. And Postic is Benga- let's go green.


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[Assistant] I feel like it is green. Because continually the center, the center and two guards are solid. And yeaah, so let's go there.


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[Assistant] You know, Lawrence Vickers was in, in that backfield. He was out, him and Peyton Hillis. Go back and watch Peyton Hillis. Uh, that year he had.


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[Assistant] I was like, dang bro, sometimes I just go back and look at some dudes, right? And you'd be like, man. You forgot how good they were. I forgot you was a ball player. That was fun.


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[Assistant] That's the 30 minutes in all the sports talk radio or TV, internet, whatever. Listen, they be going fast. People be, be, uh, jumping in.


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[Assistant] Uh, today we, uh, we pushed some of our call-ins. Uhm, so if you wanna get, uh, you know, call-in to our hotline, I'll put the hotline number out after the show. But we got some hotline questions that we'll get to about the draft. Uhm, and then we got some other questions about some of the off-season targets. So we'll talk about that coming up today.


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[Assistant] This is like a real world people question. Uhm, I'm gonna ask this. Uhm, because, uh,


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[Assistant] And a lot of times people think we just be joking, right, because, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, we're, we're, you know, we're at different points of our careers, right? So, you know, finances as a man gets older, you hit certain brackets, you hit certain figures, and as you work longer, you make more money as you get older. That's just a principle in capitalism.


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[Assistant] So one of the things that, you know, we laugh sometimes about, yeah, Jay got a boat and all these other different things, right?


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[Assistant] One of the real questions of it is because you do live in a certain circle and you do know people like this.


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[Assistant] I got a real question. My, you know, he's, you know, I believe I do my math work correctly. 66 years old, right?


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[Assistant] If you, if you own a business and you own, you know what I'm saying, if you own a lot of different other things, you say it all the time, man. I'm hitting the finish line.


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[Assistant] My question is for, for those business owners, what is the mentality of


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[Assistant] I'm gonna be frugal. Like, I mean, how many trips can you go on? How many?


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[Assistant] How many cars can you drive? How many bags? At the end of the day, when you're laying on your deathbed, you remember memories. You remember...