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[Assistant] Carr realized that if customers were able to pay less, they would borrow more.


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[Assistant] Today, CAR's 2% minimum is a common feature on millions of credit card bills. And every month, some 35 million Americans pay only the minimum payment.


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[Assistant] Andrew Carr's research showed that making the minimum payment


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[Assistant] Eased consumers' anxiety about carrying large amounts of credit card debt, they believed they were being financially prudent.


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[Assistant] In fact, the industry was reaping huge profits from Andrew Carr's intuition about people's behavior.


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[Assistant] But then in the late 90s, Carr says he had a new insight.


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[Assistant] Customers were being flooded with competitive offers for low interest cards.


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[Assistant] Carr knew that even though the 0% offer could easily change, people would still be attracted to the bait.


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[Assistant] The key to understanding how credit cards are marketed lies in the great digital revolution, the amassing of data on American consumers.


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[Assistant] The ability to surgically target consumers and track their financial behavior has become a booming business dominated by three credit reporting agencies which gather information.


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[Assistant] All that data is then crunched by a little-known company called Fair Isaac, which calculates a number called a FICO score for almost every American with a credit history.


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[Assistant] The median FICO score is 720 out of a possible 850. The riskiest customers have scores below 600.


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[Assistant] The score is an indication of how likely you are to pay your bills.


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[Assistant] An individual's FICO score often determines how much interest he will pay on a credit card. The terms and conditions of the card are laid out in the fine print of this contract.


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[Assistant] Even Professor Elizabeth Warren, an expert on contract law, says she has a hard time deciphering her contract.


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[Assistant] Ed Yingling says the fact that the contracts are difficult to understand is not the industry's fault.


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[Assistant] One of those traps, according to Warren and other critics, is something called universal default.


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[Assistant] That's what Andrew Guile of Wilmington, Delaware says happened to him.


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[Assistant] MBNA raised his 8.9% interest rate to 19.9% and his minimum monthly payments nearly doubled.


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[Assistant] When Guile protested, he says he was given another reason for the change. He had become riskier, he was told, because his account balances with other creditors were too high.


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[Assistant] Frontline wanted to ask MBNA about Guile's problem, but we were told they never comment on an individual's account.


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[Assistant] But just two months after our interview, Guile says he got a call from the office of the president of MBNA saying they would move his interest rate back to 8.9%.


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[Assistant] In 1996, another important Supreme Court decision opened the door to bigger profits for the credit card industry and a raft of new complaints from their customers.


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[Assistant] That decision, Smiley versus Citibank, much like the Marquette decision before it, lifted state restrictions, this time on the fees that credit card banks could charge.


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[Assistant] Duncan McDonald was one of the lawyers who worked on the Smiley case.


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[Assistant] Since Smiley, credit card companies have doubled the amount of revenue they generate from fees. Late fees, over the limit fees, return check fees, and the like.


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[Assistant] Even the industry's top lobbyist is concerned.


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[Assistant] The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the OCC, is an obscure Washington agency, part of the Treasury Department, and it regulates the national banks. Banks like Chase, Citibank, and MBNA that issue most of the credit cards in this country. Julie Williams is the acting Comptroller of the Currency.


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[Assistant] That's not the story they tell in San Francisco, where in the late 1990s, the credit card company Pravidian Financial was experiencing double-digit growth.


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[Assistant] Provideon specialized in the riskiest customers with the lowest credit scores.


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[Assistant] Pat Wallace is the head of the Better Business Bureau in the San Francisco area.


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[Assistant] Complaints about Pravidian from around the country came here to Wallace's office.


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[Assistant] Complaints about Pravidian were also coming to June Cravet at the San Francisco District Attorney's Consumer Protection Unit, and she began to investigate, eventually drawing local press attention and then a phone call from the OCC.


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[Assistant] And when the OCC contacted June Cravet, she says instead of cooperation, they issued a challenge.


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[Assistant] The joint investigation eventually culminated in a $300 million settlement.


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[Assistant] Pravidian declined to be interviewed and issued a statement saying,


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[Assistant] Rather than revisit the past, the company is focused on services that provide real benefits today.


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[Assistant] In Washington, the OCC has been increasingly asserting its authority and attempting to curb consumer enforcement actions by local prosecutors. This has sparked a nationwide battle, led by the Attorneys General in all 50 states.


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[Assistant] In January of 2004, the OCC declared itself the exclusive regulator of all the national banks, effectively immunizing the big credit card issuers from most state consumer protection laws.


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[Assistant] The OCC cited the Pravidian case as proof of its commitment to consumers.


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[Assistant] Since the Pravidian case, the OCC says it has been more aggressive.


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[Assistant] Recently issuing an advisory admonishing the banks for misleading the public about practices like 0% introductory rates and universal default.


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[Assistant] Whatever the OCC is doing, Pat Wallace says it hasn't stopped the Better Business Bureau from being deluged with complaints.


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[Assistant] Critics like Elizabeth Warren believe that there would be fewer complaints if the credit card industry clearly disclosed how its business works, particularly when it comes to the minimum monthly payment.


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[Assistant] The man who takes credit for inventing the 2% minimum payment thinks more disclosure is useless.


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[Assistant] In the summer of 2004, Senator Dodd introduced a credit card reform bill that would, among other things,


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[Assistant] require credit card companies to disclose how long it would take consumers to pay off their balance. But he is not optimistic that the bill will pass.


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[Assistant] His many previous attempts to reform the credit card business have all failed.


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[Assistant] Even an industry insider like Duncan McDonald, who worked at Citibank for nearly 30 years, is deeply concerned.


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[Assistant] Back in South Dakota, the man who helped the industry take off in the 1980s has mixed feelings about what he helped create.


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[Assistant] I'm the only person on this island who knows what the hell he's doing.


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[Assistant] Are you denying the fact? She's denying me the chance to get a word in. Now Miss White, I- Chef, Bigby has returned. Ah, there's the old wrecking bowl himself.


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[Assistant] If you're so self-reliant, what do you want from the business office so bad? What I want is my business.


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[Assistant] Well, you did cause what damage brings me in here, so maybe it's for the best. Just need a little bit of dosh to cover it. I tried talking to her about it, but it's like chatting up a brick wall, it is. Now I'm sure you've got your own agenda, Sheriff, but I've taken a real wallet because of you.


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[Assistant] You're always talking about glamours and now it's my responsibility. Well what about your responsibility? My car? Total? The gaping mall? In my wall? Any of us sound familiar?


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[Assistant] Please do, it's the only way I'll be able to get me Glamours.


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[Assistant] How about your friend the pig, hm? Is he going to the farm too? Yeaah. You sure we didn't know about him, eh? A worst kept secret in Fable Town.


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[Assistant] And not only positive, but positive for the exact same strain of salmonella that was in the patient. You know, I said, wow, was that a coincidence? What's the likelihood of that?


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[Assistant] After a while, we started calling this molecular pattern, this DNA fingerprint, if you will, uh, the Foster Farms pattern because it was so tightly associated with, uhm, uh, people who were eating chicken from Foster Farms.


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[Assistant] A salmonella heidelberg is more commonly found in blood than many of the other salmonella serotypes. So probably has more propensity to invade through the intestine and get into the body and do more damage.


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[Assistant] Our attitude was one of, here it comes again.


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[Assistant] Higher than anything we'd seen in 2004 or 2009.


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[Assistant] And if you know anything about disease reporting, you know that most people with salmonella don't go to the doctor. So you can typically multiply any salmonella number that we get by something like 30 to get the true number of cases out there.


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[Assistant] FSIS is telling us that we have people in the facility and the company is meeting the targets that we set for them. And that's why, you know, they couldn't take any action. And our response, of course, is, well, I don't know why.


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[Assistant] And Christmas is just around the corner. There's always something.


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[Assistant] And I think that's probably why they don't put it down. It would inspire a lot more people to pay more than the minimum.


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[Assistant] As the president was coming down from Houston Street making his turn, I had a shot. And he slumped to the side, like this. Then I had another shot or two, I couldn't say it was one or two.


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[Assistant] I was looking for a key to my environment, and then I discovered socialist literature.


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[Assistant] I had to dig for my books in the back dusty shelves of libraries.


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[Assistant] Dear Sirs, I am 16 years of age and would like more information about your youth league. His interest in socialism may have diverted Lee from the vices in his neighborhood. I am a Marxist and have been studying socialist principles for well over 15 months. I am very interested in your YPSL. Sincerely, Lee Oswald.


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[Assistant] I must leave country tonight at 8pm as visa expires. I am shocked. My dreams. I retire to my room.


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[Assistant] It seems like three years. I must have some sort of a showdown.


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[Assistant] But work is drab. The money I get has no way to be spent. As my Russian improves,


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[Assistant] Here is the key to the post office box. You can throw out my clothing.


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[Assistant] But as for my personal papers, I prefer you keep them. I left you as much money as I could.


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[Assistant] Spend more time with your family. Priceless.


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[Assistant] If he complained about, uh, we've got to go on a march this morning, or we've got to do this this morning, scrub barracks, whatever we had to do. If you were complaining about it, he would, he would say that.


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[Assistant] The door of Henry's lunch counter opened and two men came in. They sat down at the counter. What's yours, George Axum?


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[Assistant] The two men at the counter at the menu. From the other end of the counter, Nick Adams watched.


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[Assistant] Hold on, hold on. So I obviously worked in College Station for three years before. I had heard from everyone there that the money thing was real.


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[Assistant] I had sent some texts out this morning, as soon as I get an answer I will come trying to figure out what the actual truth to that is.


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[Assistant] J, let's you go one sec on the money thing. The Manziel family does own multiple Toyota dealerships all throughout Texas. Well did- do they now? Or did they then? They did when I was there. It was the Manziel Toyota of, uh, episode. Alright, well I don't know. All I know is this guy said he made it up. Maybe he's making up that he made it up. I'm looking into that. I'm truly looking. I'll get an answer to you guys. Dive into that. We'll have it by then.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I actually got some fascinating news for you guys today. Go ahead. We now have a partnership. Ooh.


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[Assistant] With fanatics. And you guys can help us out. And by you guys, I mean the people. The link on your screen.


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[Assistant] Get that. Fanatics.com slash UCSS. It's the Fanatics store, but if you use that link and make a purchase, you help us out. We get part of the money back from that purchase and is now one of our presenting sponsors of the ultimate Cleveland sports show. You could get some sweet Brown's gear.


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[Assistant] You help yourself out, you look fly on Sundays, plus you help us out in the long run and that's a win-win for everyone. So check them out at fanatics.com slash UCSS. Anthony will drop the link in the chat. It's in the description of the YouTube video and we're going to promote this a couple of times to show for the next couple of weeks as we get ready for the start of football season.


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[Assistant] Fanatics.com slash UCSS. Help yourself out. Help us out. It's a win-win for everybody. And with that, let's get into the show.


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[Assistant] We talked injuries at the defensive line yesterday. The injuries continue to pile up for the Browns in training camp. No one, none of their major stars have been banged up yet, at least that we know of.


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[Assistant] But we did learn, according to a Mary Kay report, that Jerome Ford, who's slated to be the back-up running back to Nick Chubb this season, will miss-


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[Assistant] Yeah, Newson played 9-0-7, Emerson played 8-77. Yeah, hate to see it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just a reminder to everybody that if you have not already liked and subscribed to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show channel, please do that. It takes two seconds. It helps out in the long run and it shows that you guys appreciate the content we're putting out and you guys know we appreciate you guys all the same for tuning in with us every day. Big numbers already this morning and we appreciate you guys. And with that,


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[Assistant] Let's bring in our next guest. He is one of the hosts of the Peacock and Williamson NFL show, which is a national podcast covering the biggest stories from around the league.


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[Assistant] Hosted by NFL analyst, Brian Peacock and former NFL scout, Matt Williamson, who Matt is joining us now from Steelers training camp behind enemy lines. But we are glad to have Matt making his debut today. What's up, Matt? How you doing?


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[Assistant] Alright, so the guy on our show, Tyvis Powell, who's asked a couple questions, Tyvis.


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[Assistant] Do you happen to remember your scouting report on Tivus coming out of Ohio State in 2015?


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[Assistant] You liked Mahomes, you didn't like Manziel. What was the difference when you looked at those guys and how, kind of Lamar, really Lamar and Manziel, how Lamar played as the free-flowing scrambler, kind of make stuff up on the fly as opposed to Manziel that made you like Lamar and not Johnny Football?


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[Assistant] We will bring Matt back. He is a member of the Peacock and Williams NFL show. It's part of Lockdown Network, which is part of our bigger network, so I'm sure we'll see Matt again. Real quick, before we move into our next topic, I want to remind you guys, if you're not a member of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, what are you waiting for?


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[Assistant] There's two different tiers. You'll be able to coach a tier member, a starter tier member, excuse me, for a buck 99 a month. It gets you custom emojis and special access in the chat. And then as coaches to your member for 99 gets you those same perks plus some included perks, which will come up.


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[Assistant] Uh, during football season and most importantly that extra overclocked content on a daily basis.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, we're continuing our 32 and 32 series today. It is number 21 on the list and is the first non-player. It's actually a coach.


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[Assistant] And Bubba Ventrone came in for us at number 21. It is convenient to have Tyvis on the show with a guy like Bubba coming in on the list who is our special teams guru, played it in the NFL at the highest level humanly possible. Tyvis, what kind of impact is Bubba Ventrone going to have on the Browns overall season?


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[Assistant] How big of an impact and what will it be for Bubba Ventrone having on this Browns team in 2023?


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[Assistant] I refuse to listen to any Pro Bowl conversation after Tyler Huntley made the Pro Bowl after throwing two touchdowns. So drop, I refuse that argument.


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[Assistant] I need you to, by Friday, to give me your 32 and 32 list.


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[Assistant] And if you haven't ever been to Fanatics, I don't know what you've been doing. They have apparel for every team in the world. You can get jerseys, sweatshirts, shorts, t-shirts, long sleeves, whatever you want. You can find it at Fanatics. And if you go to fanatics.com slash UCSS by using the link, it's in the chat. It's in the description of this video.


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[Assistant] We get a little portion of money back on that. So help support us by supporting the Browns. Get yourself some awesome swag. It helps us out in the long run and we very much appreciate that.


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[Assistant] It sparked a thought in my mind, those guys have been so out of mind, out of, out of anywhere, I can make a fun game out of this. I found T-


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[Assistant] Veteran NFL players, who signed contracts this offseason.


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[Assistant] Okay. And I'm curious if you guys have any idea where they sign.


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[Assistant] We're gonna test your football knowledge with a game of where the hell did these NFL veterans sign a free agency? Are you guys ready?


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[Assistant] All good guesses, all incorrect guesses, Nathan Peterman is...


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[Assistant] I looked at their depth chart, he's the only guy listed that I've heard of behind Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] I did not see that. Okay, my bad. Hand up, my bad. How about next? Damien Harris. Where's Damien Harris? Oh, I know this. Buffalo.


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[Assistant] Are you on the Buffalo bandwagon?


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[Assistant] I'mma say, uh, the Jets. I'mma say Miami.


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[Assistant] Well they, it's funny, they took Cleon Ferrell fourth overall, they got Max Grosby in the fifth round that year.


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[Assistant] Ooh, the confident, high SMG, I like the confidence, the issue. Take a seat.


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[Assistant] How about Brian Hoyer? He's still playing? He is still playing.


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[Assistant] CJ Stroud, or number two, I guess. But he is in Houston. Houston. Backing up CJ Stroud. Tyves, that's your boy getting some, uh, Cleveland love to start his career.


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[Assistant] Listen, I... We got two more. Two more. 19, but I'm paying attention. Jabril Peppers. We've done bad at this. Jabril Peppers. He's still checking them out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't fool anyone with clowning. Alright, real quick. Before we move on.


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[Assistant] The one clip of the Johnny Manziel doc that we didn't touch on earlier, and we're gonna do the full review tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Was Johnny Manziel saying he watched literally zero film in his time in Cleveland?


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[Assistant] It confirmed it. We have the clip, in case you missed it. Steve, you can take Tag Boy, Anthony turns that on, you can play the clip. But this is the little clip from Johnny Menzel saying he did not watch any film.


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[Assistant] Recap and review of the full Johnny uh, football documentary tomorrow on the show.


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[Assistant] Surprising on my mind, but whenever we ask the YouTube poll a question, it's brought to us by our dear friends over at PCC Airfoils. If you're looking for a jobless career advancement and great benefits, well, PCC Airfoils is a leading manufacturer in Northeast Ohio, all locations of PCC Airfoils in Eastlake, Mentor, Wycliffe, and Minerva.


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[Assistant] You can apply online at precast.com slash careers to learn more. I asked the YouTube chat, just simple question.


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[Assistant] Gee, I mean, uh, Tivus just 18% said yes, 82% said no.


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[Assistant] Awesome. Check it out. Cannot wait to see that. Uh, with Tivus here, another thing that we needed Tivus to do, but I'm very curious. The NFL did their top 100 rankings, player rankings. It's player voted on.


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[Assistant] Who cares about the actual rankings? Mahomes was first. They had Jalen Hurts third ahead of Joe Burrow and Josh Allen, which is kind of absurd. Joel Batonio was not on the list. Players who you have no business being ahead of Joel Batonio. Uh, two examples real quick. Geno Smith and Jamal Williams. Neither of those two are better football players than Joel Batonio.


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[Assistant] He was in last year, and Batonio had a really good year too. According to PFF, he was one of the highest rated great, uh, graded guards. So my question for Tybus, and then G, we'll all chime in here, but I really want to ask Tybus this.


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[Assistant] That's Jalen Hurts 3, Nick Bosa 4, Travis Kelsey 5, Joe Burrow 6, Tyreek Hill 7, Josh Allen 8, Micah Parsons 9, and Chris Jones 10.


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[Assistant] How impressive, you say Tyree Q. Jamar Chase was 39 on the list, by the way. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] Yea, I actually do, Steve. Take 180. So the Ravens led the AFC North with four players on the list. Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh all had three players in the top 100. So that's nine plus 13 total. The Bengals' third player was Higgins? Higgins.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's only, it sorts it by 10. Alright, go ahead. 11 through 20, Aaron Donald, 11, Josh Jacobs, 12, Davante Adams, 13, Trent Williams, 14, he should be way higher, Fred Warner, 15, Stefan Diggs, 16, Max Crosby, 17, Fitzpatrick, 18, George Kittle, 19, Miles Garrett, 20,


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[Assistant] Then you got Austin Eckler, 21, AJ Brown, 22, Sauce Gardener, the first cornerback on the list at 23.


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[Assistant] I have to do a deeper search into the action numbers, but there's a lot of receivers.


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[Assistant] Tonight, about 7, 7.30, Earl got- Earl and I have to finalize the time, but we're gonna do the Behind the Glass podcast tonight, uh, that'll be this afternoon, later tonight. Earl, myself, diving into some topics that we didn't touch today, a little preview of tomorrow, a little recap of some other stuff we've hit on, so make sure you guys tune in tonight for the most recent edition of Behind the Glass. Alright, we have 10 minutes, guys.


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[Assistant] We gotta spend five wishing Anthony happy birthday. Yeaah. We have five before that though.


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[Assistant] Talk about Colin Cowherd and that mishap yesterday. Or do we just want to skip that completely?


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[Assistant] I think they went back to Colin, look at the quarterbacks drafted since whatever year it was. Right. Which ones can, like put the ones that you think can.


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[Assistant] The graphics team then put together a graphic, and they screwed up the graphic because it should say can't win a Super Bowl, it said can win a Super Bowl, and Haskins was included in that list, and then when it popped up on the screen, you know when you see a graphic, he needs to fire some people.


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[Assistant] Top 5 Nickelback songs. Happy birthday. So we have in honor of Anthony's birthday, we have 5 things in an honorable mention that I don't think the common folk know about Anthony that I would like for them to know. You think we'll know it?


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[Assistant] I think you guys will know most of it, but I think this is more for the people out there that don't know.


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[Assistant] Anthony's driveway is super weirdly shaped. And it's so weirdly shaped that it's a very weirdly shaped driveway slash yard. And when his girlfriend drove up in January, she tried to make a K turn, the car got stuck. He called us all in. There was like 17 of us trying to push his girlfriend's car out of the mud in his driveway because it's a weirdly shaped driveway. Anthony.


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[Assistant] He doesn't really, he does broadcast it kind of, doesn't always. Anthony's a Broncos fan.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so Anthony, open heart surgery survivor. Wow.


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[Assistant] Was the world's best goalie in soccer in high school. He led his conference in saves.


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[Assistant] This was not supposed to happen when we got Shaq Lizzy pulling up in a Lamborghini. It's regular. Well, it's not regular at all, really. Neither part of it. The wrapper or the vehicle.


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[Assistant] So for the record, I'm not hosting this vlog. Hakeem's hosting this vlog. I got old man shit to do. We just happened to be out here. You see my vision, right? We got young Hakeem, house phone, other such people doing some hosting, switching it up a little bit. You're seeing the full transformation of the Jumper into a media company. Anyway, let's replace 34 year old white guy with Jumper. Jamaican man.


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[Assistant] Hey, here we are. It's the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Mikey McNuggets on the panel today. Earl is, uh, in for Mikey McNuggets behind the glass. There he is. We'll get to Earl in just a little bit. Gee Bushier, as always, of course. And me. Here we go. A lot to get through today.


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[Assistant] One other thing I want to hit on real quick before we get to our first real topic. So I tweeted this over the weekend, we were going to talk about, we just haven't gotten to it, so I wanted to get to it real quick.


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[Assistant] You know how like, I don't know if anybody else does this in general, say you're driving, G, and...


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[Assistant] You're like, okay, I want to get to the next light before the guy that's driving next to me. You ever do that? Yeah. Okay, like, you pick some milestone in your head. Yeah, I'm gonna catch it.


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[Assistant] But when I see somebody with a non-Ohio license plate, it really fires me up.


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[Assistant] Like, especially New York, cause when I was...


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[Assistant] Or if it's like, if somebody's trying to cut like,


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[Assistant] There's this long street in Brooklyn called Ocean Parkway, which goes from almost one end of Brooklyn to the other.


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[Assistant] Now it's overcrowded like everything else in Brooklyn, but when I was like in my early twenties, if you did it, I think it was like, you had to drive 28 miles an hour, it was like a specific, I can't remember it now.


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[Assistant] You could go the whole avenue and never stop for light. And I did it like three times.


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[Assistant] Brandon Brushes? We're coming up with silly ideas for a draft we want to do with a Deedian studio. Maybe the fans can vote on one of the good ideas.


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[Assistant] But also the reverse. If you're in the right lane, you can't be going fast.


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[Assistant] Yeah. If it's really bad snow or like a torrential downpour like I barely see, I'll sometimes go with the two hands in that situation. Also another one last disgusting thing, stop throwing your freaking cigarettes out the window, you pathetic losers.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, on today's show, our buddy Tyvis was at Brown's camp yesterday, so we're gonna go live to Columbus. I assume he's in Columbus.


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[Assistant] Where Tyvis will give us a recap of what he saw at Brown's camp yesterday.


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[Assistant] We talked a little about the Johnny Football documentary yesterday. Now everybody here has seen it in its entirety. And so we will talk more about that today. We'll do a little Darius Garland conversation later. Plus Joe Thomas was on the Dan Patrick show and had some really interesting comments.


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[Assistant] About, uh, Deshaun Watson and talking about Deshaun Watson. We'll get to all of that. Earl, you gotta read before we get into our first topic.


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[Assistant] I always think like, well, how many really good players are still out there at this point? Like, why is he still available?


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[Assistant] Better than Dalvin Tomlinson. And the Browns are now the only team in the entire NFL that have two defensive tackles that were ranked in the top 17.


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[Assistant] Last year on PFF, does that mean they have the best defensive tackle combo? Maybe not.


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[Assistant] That's still a huge increase. The guy, it looks like he's getting about five million dollars. So I have two questions for you guys. How excited, how big is this move? And why was he still out there? What do we think? G? Uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and again, against a run, which is what you're really, you know, the biggest thing there.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's really good, or at least was last year. He's, I didn't realize he's played a lot of defensive end in his career too.


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[Assistant] What the thing is, is they already have guys that are a little flexible in terms of being able to play inside and outside, and he's another guy that can play both as well. And if you have guys, you know, we don't really talk about that as much.


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[Assistant] But, uh, with a defensive coordinator as good as Jim Schwartz, he's gonna be able to make use of that and confuse some offensive lines by moving guys around some. Yeah. And, uh, by the way, the guy was a seventh round pick and he's played, what, eight years in the league or something?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would assume so. So you look at their top five defensive linemen, right?


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[Assistant] So Miles Garrett's their best, but guys 2, 3, 4, and 5 are all new.


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[Assistant] And, so their second best defensive alignment last year was Jadeveon Clown.


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[Assistant] Bye bye. You may be gone. You got these five guys.


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[Assistant] You got, uhm, Hurst, if he's healthy, he'll be on the team. Are you talking about D-Tackles or including DS? No, just D-D-Line as a whole. Yeah. Hurst, if he's healthy, he'll be on the team. That's 6. Maguire?


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[Assistant] And you're, you're gonna have what, nine, maybe nine defensive? Yeah.


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[Assistant] We'll see if we ever see a situation where either Tomlinson or him around.


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[Assistant] take out a few of his tuck, you know, a few of his snaps earlier in the game. I know it sounds great to say, well, why would you have Myles Garrett on the field? But if Myles Garrett plays a few less snaps, he should be fresher as the season goes. It's actually a good thing. And as the games goes. I agree. Yeah, he still play a lot. He still play the most.


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[Assistant] But still, you want to keep guys fresh. It's important to be able to, you know, roll through a bunch of guys and have that depth. And the Browns have gone, at least on paper, from one of the worst defensive lines in football to one of the best defensive lines.


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[Assistant] Most improved unit, I think we all agree with that or no?


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[Assistant] Then you've got six proven good defensive linemen.


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[Assistant] I'll give Clowney, I'll say Clowney. They had two last year. One didn't play up to that level, but at least he was proven this year they had six. He had a good year the year before to be fair. But they had two, now they have six. At first it's healthy. Even if he's not healthy, they have five.


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[Assistant] So, it's pretty impressive. There's not, there's not that many teams that have five proven starting caliber defensive liners.


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[Assistant] So, but you played, you played Watson in the receivers? I would play Watson in some of the second guys.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna get back to this in the second hour of the show. We'll talk more about what we're expecting from Deshaun Watson. Talk about what Joe Thomas' comments were on the Dan Patrick show with Deshaun Watson. We're gonna go in a second to our buddy Tyvis, who's back home in Columbus after being at Brown's camp yesterday. But first we go to Earl. Earl.


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[Assistant] Tyvis, you said Denzel, uh, tipped the ball, it got picked on, I think it was, uh, Knasek.


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[Assistant] What is, what is, what are you hearing about his status? What did you, did you talk to Denzel? Like is he, what does he think about playing the slot?


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[Assistant] At the moment, what did he say about the whole thing with, with you talking about what guys get in their hips, turned around, you didn't get to talk about it.


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[Assistant] The Browns have two, two of the twenty worst run blocking tackles last year.


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[Assistant] Ty, when you get these practices- By the way, real quick, cause Ty was brought up to PBU, so before you get to it, you're right, Ty, he's had-


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[Assistant] That Jedrick Wills was gonna get his option picked up and Chase Young was not.


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[Assistant] That's crazy. I don't know that Jedrick Wilson earned it, but Chase Young is crazy because he's done nothing since his rookie year. He's been hurt.


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[Assistant] That's what happened with Daniel Jones. Remember the Giants turned down his 50 year option and then he had a great year and he got paid.


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[Assistant] Guys, it's time for 32 and 32. You guys have totally destroyed this list. It's been a disaster.


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[Assistant] Last week, fans were crushing me because I said the preseason sucks, I don't care. And...


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[Assistant] People were mad about it. And here's Tyvis saying the players are done with the preseason already. They want the real game. The players don't give a shit about the preseason. Not the players that matter.


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[Assistant] And preseason sucks. Wins and losses don't matter. And I can't, the regular season can't get here soon enough.


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[Assistant] In terms of what it means for the team, it's meaningless. I loved, I loved when people tried to say, well if you do well in the preseason, it might translate to...


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[Assistant] We'll get to that in a second, but first let's get to the 32 and 32.


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[Assistant] By the way, if over the cap has this right, and they're usually pretty reliable, the Browns can't, I mean, if they cut Wyatt Teller next year, there's almost 3 million in dead cap space. That's a lot.


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[Assistant] Take a 3 million dollar deadcap hit to save 6.4? Is that all they save by cutting them?


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[Assistant] Not based on a cap. You'd save a lot on Joel Batonio, but I don't know if you want to go there. You could save a lot cutting Amari Cooper next year. But anyway, next year is next year. As for this year, Wyatt Teller is still very important. I agree with Gee. Uh, the guy played at an all-pro level a couple years ago. His biggest problem has been he's been hurt.


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[Assistant] Wyatt Teller's a really good player. And he, if he can stay healthy this year, he can get back to that. But it's hard to have a lot of faith in him staying healthy. That's really the biggest flaw. I know we talked about Jedrick Wills. In terms of, you know, the offensive line, like, if healthy, I'm only really worried about Jedrick Wills.


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[Assistant] But with Conklin and Teller, I'm worried about both of them getting hurt. I mean, they both have a history of injuries.


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[Assistant] You know, he, he, he's ha- he's played one full season in the last five years.


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[Assistant] He's been really good when he's been healthy. He's been, it was all pros or rookie in 2016 with Tennessee and then all pro in his first year here. But at 20, you know, listen, if he stays healthy, okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I do think that's possible. It doesn't sound like it though, because again, they can't get out of Conklin's contract after next year. Well, Conklin's not who I was referring to. They can't get out of Teller. I mean, they could, but...


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[Assistant] Yeah, let's talk about the Johnny Manziel thing. So now, Gee, I talked about a little detail.


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[Assistant] Only did it to sell tickets. That doesn't make any sense because if you knew he was going to be bad, the Browns sell tickets anyway. The Browns sell out every game every year. I don't, I think, I think it was Jimmy Haslem, uh,


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[Assistant] He pits guys against each other. He don't know what the hell he's doing. The Browns have to try to win in spite of him. It's not going to change. He's not going to all of a sudden


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[Assistant] Let guys do their jobs or be a better owner. He's a bad owner, but you can win with a bad owner.


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[Assistant] If you, but it's just more to overcome. So you gotta deal with that. I know there'll be 25% of our audience, they'll try to convince me he's a good owner. You're wrong, I'm right, he's a bad owner. Okay, there's no, there's really no debating that.


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[Assistant] So you have to overcome his stupidity and his meddling.


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[Assistant] And that's what happened with Johnny, is the owner just said, I want this guy, I'm fired up, he's Johnny Football. And I'm sure the football people did not want anything to do with Johnny Manziel.


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[Assistant] Because there were all these red flags. All you had to do was talk to any coach with the Texas AM system. And I'm sure the coaches... I remember...


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[Assistant] When Johnny got drafted, we had Cliff Kingsbury on our radio show, and he talked about the fact that Johnny, he basically said, I don't remember word for word exactly what he said, but he basically said Johnny doesn't practice much, he doesn't work hard.


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[Assistant] He said it in the documentary too. Right, but this is years later. Now at the time it was mind-blowing because you never heard a coach say that about a rookie. Ever. So...


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[Assistant] There's zero doubt that this move was 100% Jimmy Haslam. Again, I don't think it was selling tickets, I just think...


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[Assistant] He over-rode his football people because he was excited, like a fan, about Johnny football and it was extremely foolish because the guy had no business being drafted in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Honestly, I don't remember that. I remember him hiring some firms. I don't remember specifically. Now that you say it, it's kind of striking a chord. And in fairness, Teddy Bridgewater hasn't had a good career either. No. But I'd much rather have had him than...


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[Assistant] Well, I would actually, to jeez, the defense, I would actually argue Baker was the bigger mistake because with Manziel, who else was I gonna draft at that point? What quarterback? Was there a quarterback taken later in that draft? That was any good?


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't believe, obviously I don't know this with 100% certainty, I don't believe that the football people had anything to do with drafting Manziel. I think it was 100% of Jimmy Hazlum move, so I don't think they missed the red flags, I think Jimmy didn't care about the red flag.


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[Assistant] If Baker had a better attitude, he could be a career backup.


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[Assistant] Is the hit rate any hot? The only reason to hit, but part of that is- Cause you look at- Teens reach on quarterbacks because they're so desperate for a quarterback. Sometimes they'll take a guy who's not worthy of a first round pick. Where you're less likely to do that at another position. Like the dude from Florida this year.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, as great, as great as Miles Garrett is, and the pick was one of the few hits they've made, it still ultimately was the wrong pick because they should have taken my homes. Which ever, I mean again, every team should, I mean it's crazy.


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[Assistant] How did we not, how did everybody, and by the way, I wasn't here saying draft Patrick Holmes.


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[Assistant] Well, that would have been good. I mean, certainly the, certainly the first choice should have been Mahomes. The second choice should have been Watson. And then, again, we all love that Miles Garrett's here. Uh, it's hard to complain about a Miles Garrett pick. You take Mahomes every time. Real quick.


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[Assistant] That's funny. By the way, if I remember correctly, the pick before Patrick Mahomes was the Bengals, who overall have drafted very well the last few years, but that year, they drafted Jon Ross. I remember that.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. He never played. Never. He sucked. When he did play, he couldn't hold onto the ball.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. Alright, it is what it is. Now let's move it, let's keep it moving. We'll get to Deshaun Watson in the preseason in a second. First we go to Earl.


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[Assistant] Just basing on that one clip that I heard. That's the one you're talking about, right? I wish we had that clip. Yea, it is. You tweeted about it too. I tweeted it. What he said basically was, nobody in Cleveland wants to talk about the off the field stuff anymore.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson, I don't think, is really getting asked questions about it anymore at this point, is he?


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[Assistant] There are media members nationally that are still talking about it here and there, but I don't think Deshaun Watson's really being asked about it.


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[Assistant] Who are they appealing to? Yeah, I mean, if you're watching the game, anytime we talk about anything that's not sports that, you know, that somebody disagrees with. People say don't talk about politics. But people only say that if you're saying something that they disagree with. If I was saying something that they agreed with, they wouldn't care.


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[Assistant] And that's why people say that. And I think it's the same thing with Watson. I mean, it's like...


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[Assistant] At this point, I don't think most football fans, even if they're not Browns fans, that are watching the Browns play the Bengals week one.


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[Assistant] They don't care about that. You think Bengals fans watching that game really care at this point? They know!


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[Assistant] He's still a member of the round. Of course. Patrick Mahomes can do almost anything and they wouldn't cut him.


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[Assistant] And that's it. And as, and I think that's, listen, if Rich Eisen wants to have a conversation about


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[Assistant] If I'm being interviewed about the Browns, I would assume that the person is going to ask me at some point about Deshaun Watson. And my answer at this point, and I've talked about it a ton, everybody knows, we just talked about it last week.


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[Assistant] But at this point I'd say, it's all, what else is left to be said?


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[Assistant] There's nothing left to be said. Everybody's in their camps, which happens with everything, and nobody's changing their mind on anything.


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[Assistant] I have nothing left to say about the Sean Watson off the field. We've talked about it a million times. I want to see him play football. That's honestly all I care about right now.


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[Assistant] It would only, it would only prove it if we're actually right. We don't know for sure that we're right. We're all assuming he wouldn't win the MVP, and if that happened, if he was clearly the MVP and didn't win it,


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[Assistant] If Rich Eisen or Dan Patrick say, I don't like Deshaun Watson, I think he's whatever. Okay, and if you think that's wrong and you're pissed off that he said that, you or whoever has every right to be pissed off, you disagree with him, okay, that's fine. But then if Deshaun Watson's playing great,


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[Assistant] And Dan Patrick goes, man, I tell you, I'm not a big Watson fan, but I gotta give him credit. He's playing great. I mean, why would I have a problem with that? I don't know, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but I think that's because of Watson, otherwise the Browns wouldn't be getting any attention.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the thing, when Baker was here, they got all the attention. It was a polarizing storyline, and the Bronson made the playoffs for the first time in forever.


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[Assistant] Uh, national story is mostly bad, but there's been a lot of national storyline. I don't look at any team as...


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[Assistant] America's team. I always thought that was stupid to say about the Cowboys. I don't look at any team as America's team.


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[Assistant] I just saw, I just saw some poll or something where the Bengals were listed as the third or fourth most popular team in the NFL and I'm like,


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[Assistant] Right, but it's, what I'm saying, Earl, is it's two different conversations. You don't, like,


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[Assistant] I have mixed feelings about Deshaun Watson, the person. Right? We've talked about this.


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[Assistant] But I don't have any mixed feelings about him as a player. I think he's a great player. I think he's gonna get back to being a great player this year. And I want him to do well. Uhm, that doesn't mean, I don't have to like every player the same. I don't really know the guys to like them in that way, but like,


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[Assistant] Has been accused of a lot of ugly things off the field and one hasn't. But accusations don't make you guilty. This is true.


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[Assistant] That's right. And Earl, to your point, like you said, well you pick these sides and that's it. I think that's the problem in this country, is we do too much of picking sides and we never step out of those sides to listen to the other side. And I don't think we should condemn people


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[Assistant] for maybe changing their mind. Now, if you're changing your mind just because he's playing well, I get it, that's a different story, but your job as a sports talk show host


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[Assistant] Is to give your opinions. And so if you don't think highly of Deshaun Watson, then you're in, as long as you're fair about it.


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[Assistant] Or at least you think you're being fair about it. You may think somebody's not being fair.


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[Assistant] It's a difference of opinion. But then talking about the player on the field is a different story.


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[Assistant] I don't think we can expect Dan Patrick to say, you know, if Deshaun Watson goes 35 for 40 for 422 yards and four touchdowns, to say, ah, he really had a crappy game. I'm not, I don't care about this.


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[Assistant] Earl, if you're that way, that's fine, but most of us...


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[Assistant] You hear information and you judge. It's kinda natural. It may be unfair, part of our job of what we do.


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[Assistant] In this business is giving opinions. And sometimes, and most of the time honestly, even when it comes to sports stuff, we're giving opinions without having every single fact.


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[Assistant] Right? We're criticizing a coach. We're criticizing a player. We don't have all the facts in those situations. We may have more than we have in the Watson situation. And you could say, well, it's unfair to be critical of Watson because we don't have all the facts. Well, if you're, on the other hand, is it unfair to be critical of the women that have accused him?


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[Assistant] Absolutely, I get it, but part of our job is giving opinions on things, so we can't just sit here and have, I don't think, it's tricky. And that's why I said with my son in the Watson Jersey, I didn't say no chance I would let him have the jersey.


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[Assistant] But the reality is that if you polled every, every sports fan,


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[Assistant] Then, how, you know, do you think LeBron is clutch? And now, the number now would be a lot higher than it would be then. Even if Earl disagrees, he'd be in the smaller percentage then.


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[Assistant] You know, now it's hard to deny that LeBron is clutch. At the time you could. That was a major choke job that they lost this series.


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[Assistant] We have had members in this area for several months now. We have decided to fill out the public, uh,


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[Assistant] What they think of our organization, our aims, and for that purpose we have been distributing literature on the street.


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[Assistant] We have three goals to make sure that the banks don't fail, to ensure the integrity of how the banks operate their corporate governance, and to make sure that they deal fairly and honestly with their customers.


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[Assistant] At the extreme, we have the ability to take enforcement actions. And we have done that. We have taken enforcement actions.


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[Assistant] The way that that worked out was we worked


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[Assistant] We don't want to push them out of the business. We are both there, protecting consumers. What we have...


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[Assistant] individually, uh, and, uh, in, uh, developing arrangements with the states, work out the best way to work cooperatively with them.


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[Assistant] Many consumer protection standards that apply to them, we can tell them to stop it immediately.


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[Assistant] Because of all of the publicity, you can recognize Ferri, you can recognize Oswald.


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[Assistant] All the friends that they came with them. The 10 million friends that they're always around, yeaah. They roll deep, there's a lot of guys. All these people, yeaah. Free distinct teams. Bambino. All the Bambino. Free Bambino. Free my heart. Yes, free, free Draco.


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[Assistant] I'm Rafi and uhm, I've been working with them since then and unfortunately they got in concert. Right. They went to jail and hopefully they're gonna come home soon.


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[Assistant] I got your mouse. This call was made from an apartment in the loop.


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[Assistant] She posted a pic this morning. Her outfit for the day. Dark hair and glasses. And she's showing off a green backpack.


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[Assistant] Tobias was one of the CTOS pioneers until Bloom fired him.


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[Assistant] The man is vraiment crazy. Or on drugs. Maybe both.


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[Assistant] He's got an underground shop hidden in there. Deadset goes there for some of the more rare hardware. He can't forget him. He's paranoid and won't talk.


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[Assistant] Papa used to take me camping in Mont-Tremblant. He'd always say we were looking for treasure.


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[Assistant] I didn't understand then that he was stealing from the cabins. Gold watches, tools. The look on his face when it was something special. Like one time, I found an old rusted coin with a regal emperor. He said it was an ancient Roman coin. Priceless. But he let me keep it. Said it was my door to a magic world, the whole Roman Empire. I guess I am a father


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[Assistant] That's where Tobias runs his shop. Mostly black market junk. Sometimes you can find rare schematics, if you're lucky. It's not there. What now?


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[Assistant] Hey, I can't resist a good adventure. So I guess we're done.


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[Assistant] I'm not scared. No one asked me to stay.


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[Assistant] It's like a fortress. I don't see an easy way in.


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[Assistant] There. The IP address is coming from that room.


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[Assistant] It's an RFID tag. We can clone it, but you need to get very close.


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[Assistant] Nicholas Crispin, 32 years old, ex-Bath American, hasn't been back in 12 years.


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[Assistant] Kenny is crazy good. I bet you'd build this room.


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[Assistant] He's a genius. No, no, I mean a legend.


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[Assistant] Okay, everyone has a history online. We start there. We get Kenny's last known point and work backwards.


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[Assistant] Kenny was trying to warn everyone. He didn't trust people inside Bloom. But I don't think he expected anyone to die. Now, he's in hiding.


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[Assistant] He might not even help, you know? If he decrypts those files, he's exposing himself.


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[Assistant] Yeah. He turned against Loom. Exposed their abuse.


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[Assistant] Hey! We need your expertise.


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[Assistant] There, that's everything. Hurry back, Aiden. T-Bone's decrypting it now.


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[Assistant] We're playing chess with Jackson and the Clark. Both of you feel very sad from the funeral.


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[Assistant] And here we are. Gee, Bush was supposed to come off the injured list. He was on his rehab assignment.


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[Assistant] And he got pulled back. He had a setback and so he's gone. Earl is in for him today.


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[Assistant] What's up? Earl? How you feel? I'm feeling good. How are you feeling?


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, stop telling me it's the season that started. It hasn't. Alright, if you play this game and never play the regular season, you didn't play in the NFL. That's a fact.


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[Assistant] There's nobody left. I'm watching these Instagram videos. I can't get enough. Some of these videos are so funny. And Jason's like, oh I saw that one that's old, but I hadn't seen it so it's funny.


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[Assistant] Uh, watching during the Little League playoffs, we were watching a game, our team had been eliminated, we were watching a game, and we're sitting at the end of the stands, and one of the, the wooden slats for the stands that you sit on,


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[Assistant] Extended a little longer than the others. And I was walking to go to the concession stand and I rammed right into that piece.


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[Assistant] But that was embarrassing. I guess a skinny person could have done that too, but, uh, we don't know. Anyway, a lot to get to today. The Hall of Fame game is tonight. Great Hall of Famers will be playing in the game tonight. No, no Hall of Famers. I guess it's possible. I wonder how many actual Hall of Famers have played in the Hall of Fame game.


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[Assistant] It's early. It's Zach Wilson and Kellen Mond. But, what, was there just a point spread on there?


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[Assistant] I mean, the Jets, to me, are very similar to the Browns in that I think they're the two most likely teams that were under 500 last year in the AFC to make the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I'm leaning towards putting the Browns and Jets as the 6 and 7 seed in the AFC. At this moment, I'm not ready to make official predictions, but at this moment, I'm leaning towards the Browns and the Jets as the 6 and 7 seed, knocking out the Dolphins and Ravens from last year.


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[Assistant] Uh, whereas Deshaun Watson's coming off a year we didn't play well, but only six games, didn't play the year before. So there's, it all comes down to the quarterbacks. If Deshaun Watson and Aaron Rodgers both play up to their capabilities, then both of those teams should be in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] You're not getting anywhere with bad quarterback. No. You can, you can sneak into the playoffs in the NFC if you've got a great running game and a really good defense and maybe you're getting sub-part quarterback play. You can't get to the playoffs in the AFC with some sub-part quarterback play. That's not happening. It's just too deep and too talented in the AFC. Anthony, what's going on?


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[Assistant] Backup players who are, who are schlocked for the roster probably aren't playing much in a game like this, if at all. And so if a Cedric Tillman went off for a big game,


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[Assistant] I will say that I am curious not only about Cedric Tillman, but


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[Assistant] The wide receiver room in general, I want to see how those guys are running routes. I want to see how they're used in this game. Like who is in the starting group tonight at wide receiver? What does that mean?


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[Assistant] That you can't necessarily translate to the regular season, but may translate into a spot on the roster. As far as Cedric Tillman playing, I mean, I don't, I don't think it has anything to do with injuries. He is going to be a part of this offense. At very least, I expect him to be their fourth wide receiver, and the fourth wide receiver gets opportunities.


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[Assistant] You know, he's a good, solid, third wide receiver. We're hoping Elijah Moore could turn into a number two. He hasn't shown that yet. I think you drafted Cedric Kilman in the third round. I don't think they drafted him to sit the bench as a rookie.


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[Assistant] That Cedric Tillman couldn't get some playing time. Even as a fourth receiver, you're gonna play.


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[Assistant] A young Browns receiver contribute right away. I mean like we almost have never seen that outside of Josh Gordon. Like, and, and, and probably Tillman's not gonna get


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[Assistant] An opportunity to be a starter, right? Because there's three guys ahead of him on the depth chart.


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[Assistant] You know, but the truth is, Jason, that when the year that Nick Chubb was a rookie, what was that, 2017?


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[Assistant] Carlos Hyde, right? If you go back and look at it, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if you go back and look at that season,


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[Assistant] The first, I want to say five, six games, whatever it was, Nick Chubb was only getting like four or five carries a game.


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[Assistant] And Carlisle Hyde was getting like 15 carat. They had another back too. I can't remember now, there was another, there was a three back rotation there and Nick Chubb was getting the least of it.


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[Assistant] And after a couple of weeks, a bunch of us were like, well what the hell's going on? Let's get rid of Carlos Hyde and let's play Nick Chubb. And...


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb was a second round pick. It wasn't like he was a complete short thing. He'd come off a lot of injuries in college and he became a star. I'd love to see


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[Assistant] A situation, not necessarily where the starting guy is bad, but a situation where Cedric Tillman is so good every time he's on the field.


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[Assistant] Exactly. And I'd love to see that happen this year. It might be hard for that opportunity to actually happen, but I'd love to see him be so good.


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[Assistant] You know, cause you think about the young receivers they've added in recent years.


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[Assistant] You know, Donovan Peoples Jones has done a nice job, but it's been a slow build with Donovan Peoples Jones. Not surprisingly, a late, late pick.


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[Assistant] But David Bell showed nothing last year. Anthony Schwartz showed nothing the year before. And these three guys now at Tillman were all relatively high picks. The first two have shown nothing. I think we've all given up on Schwartz at this point. I think a lot of people have given up on Bell. I think it's unfair after one year, but we'll see.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you, from a physical standpoint and a skill set standpoint,


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[Assistant] He, he kinda reminds me of T Higgins a little bit. Like T Higgins is not a burner. Yea. But he is, he's big. He's a great route runner. He's a great route runner. He catches everything.


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[Assistant] Because, and you, and again, I could say, well alright, but they're facing backups. But, well they're, you know, that's okay. And that's a position where,


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[Assistant] I think I could take something, certainly the Browns can take something out of, hey, was I able to hold up in the poc, you know, against the center, against the guards, was I able to stop the run, was I able to create


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[Assistant] Uh, an opportunity for a linebacker to make a play. The defensive tackle position.


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[Assistant] So you're gonna have three, if not four defensive tackles that are gonna get an opportunity to play a significant amount of plays. And the Browns only have one guy that's a short thing in that position that's gonna, we know Dalvin Tomlinson is gonna play a lot.


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[Assistant] Outside of that, we have no clue who's going to be second, third, and fourth in, in, in snaps on the def, at defensive tackle. And so, and, and some of it might be Myles Garrett occasionally or, you know, some of the defensive ends. But there's opportunity to get real playing time and that, that, that challenge starts tonight. You'll get your first look at Tsiaki Ike tonight, I would imagine. Right. Uh, I would think Maurice Hurst, even though he's a veteran,


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[Assistant] Well, you mentioned Tristan Hill, who's a defensive tackle, and then the linebackers. Those are spots where there may be a name that kind of, like Tristan Hill, that sort of comes out of nowhere, maybe even more obscure than that. Some guy that stands out. I know somebody the other day mentioned, oh, the linebackers haven't looked really good.


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[Assistant] So, there's a lot of time for Defensive Tackle and Linebacker, even though we know some of the names at Linebacker, none of them is such short things that somebody from out of the blue couldn't come take a job. I mean, that happens sometimes, and it could happen there, and it certainly could happen at Defensive Tackle. Uh, nobody, nobody to me,


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[Assistant] Uh, at defensive tackle or linebacker for the Browns. In my opinion, should be guaranteed a starting job outside of, uh,


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[Assistant] Davin Tomlinson. Davin Tomlinson. That's it. And again, I know there's guys we assume will be starters, especially a linebacker, but to me, nobody's played well enough at that position on this team that they should be a short thing. If there's some, some guy we never heard of who made the team, who was undrafted and just kills it.


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[Assistant] I agree, but it is tricky because I agree with what Earl said. He was better. He's more of a fit to play middle linebacker.


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[Assistant] Maybe Jimmy Schwartz finds a way to make him effective on the outside more. We'll have to see how he does at JLK as you said seemed excited about.


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[Assistant] You know, the way they're changing up the defense and so maybe that's different. You know, another guy, we're not going to see him tonight, but another guy just kind of sparked because you talk about Takitaki playing well down the stretch. I thought,


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[Assistant] Grant Delpit played really well down the stretch too. And, uh, he's a guy who looked like, uh, you know, they drafted him high. He was a second round pick.


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[Assistant] At his first couple of years, DeBrown's an injury and he wasn't performing. And even at the beginning of last year, I'm like, I think Grant Delpitt's just not the guy. But the second half of last year, like Takitaki, which in Delpitt's case, he wanted to change positions,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I thought Delfin played his best football and so we've talked a lot about Juan Thornhill making the Brown secondary better and I think he will because he's better than Johnson.


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[Assistant] But I also think if we get the grand delpid we had in the second half of the year for a full season...


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[Assistant] Then that's a, a big upgrade too, because he, I thought he was a different player in the last, whatever, seven, eight games of the year.


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[Assistant] More important than the game tonight is of course the fact that Joe Pop is going in the Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] Uh, he'll finally be enshrined and he's the first Cleveland Browns player in forever. Who was the last Browns player to go into the Hall of Fame?


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, the Browns have, you know, most of the Hall of Famers for the Browns played in the 50s and the 60s and before that. Ozzie Newsome is the most recent Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] If you had to bet on current Brown making the Hall of Fame, who are you voting for?


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[Assistant] I mean there's no other player since 99 that's going into the Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying nobody that's played for the Browns from 99 that's no longer on the team is ever sniffing the hole. No.


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[Assistant] Are they all, I would agree that if they all retired today, Betonio is the most likely.


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[Assistant] If you look at, if you go back and look at some of the QB Bradshaw from Joe Namath. They'd get cut today. Their statistics, you'd be like, how is this guy in the Hall of Fame?


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[Assistant] And by the way, I don't think, I know this is, I'm in the minority on this, I don't think Eli Manning's a Hall of Famer. And I don't think you should be a Hall of Famer just because you won two Super Bowls.


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[Assistant] And the coach of the year doesn't go to the best coach. It goes to the coach of the most surprising good team. Usually. Pretty much.


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[Assistant] And, right, and he did a good job, and I, and I know Jason thinks he's a good coach, and I think he's a good coach too.


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[Assistant] And we're probably the minority opinion here in Cleveland, or at least it's 50-50. However, there is, you know, I just, I can't, how do I make an argument for him being better than the other guys?


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[Assistant] Yeah, right. So, if you want to argue that if Kevin Stefanski and Zach Taylor had the same roster that you think Stefanski would do better, okay, you can make that argument. I don't know how you'd prove that though. Right.


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[Assistant] And, uh, in fact they said there's no leadership. I think it's funny, in the first year when the Browns went to the playoffs with Stefanski, we all loved the fact that he was calm, cool, didn't get emotional, but last year when they were, they sucked, uh, a lot of people were angry that he wasn't.


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[Assistant] I disagree. I think they still should have fired. It doesn't matter now. I think he, I think it was a bad job of leadership to not fire. I think if the ship is sinking, you've got to say, it shows that you care or you're trying to change something.


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[Assistant] A poll question today, am I racist? Because apparently people were calling me racist after uh, G and I had a debate the other day.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's a great coach. I think he's alright. In reality, I think, uh,


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[Assistant] I think most head coaches are somewhere in the middle. Yeaah. I think there's three or four head coaches that are huge and great. I think there's three or four every year that are complete trash. Freddies. Freddies. And most of them are in the middle. It depends on the talent.


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[Assistant] I think, in my opinion, the two biggest problems with Lamar Jackson can't be coached. One, injury. Two,


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's silly. That doesn't make any sense. Uhm, alright Anthony, what do we got next?


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[Assistant] Again, you guys have put him too low.


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[Assistant] I don't know what you guys are doing, Ethan. Oh, you're telling me there's 24 more important people than Ethan Potrich?


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[Assistant] Uh, Ethan Pochich is interesting because, you know,


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[Assistant] Bill Callahan is a great offensive line coach, and when the Browns got Wyatt Teller, he was like a pro bowler his first year here. And since then he's declined a little bit. Still good, but not as good.


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[Assistant] And so I got my, even Pochich had done nothing in Seattle. He came here, he played like a Pro Bowler.


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[Assistant] And is he gonna go backwards this year? I don't know. He got hurt. That's been a, you know, a problem on the Browns offensive line. I think Ethan Poachers is really important. He was an excellent player for them last year.


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[Assistant] You keep what? Nine offensive linemen usually?


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[Assistant] Eight? I can't remember what most teams keep. You know the starting five. We know that James Hudson is going to be on the team. That's six. The kid, what's his name? They just drafted him from Wiles State. Uh, DeJuan Jones.


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[Assistant] He's gonna be on the team. That's seven, so...


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[Assistant] Nick Harris, and you gotta, and those guys have both tackled, so you're gonna need two, probably two interior linemen backups, and you know, Harris is competing.


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[Assistant] Right. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. So, I mean, I don't know, he, he has shown some promise, but he's been hurt a lot, which is a recurring theme with, with the members of this Brown's offensive line, not named Joel Betonio. And, uhm, so,


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[Assistant] So it probably is, is that. I would guess. I feel like we should know this already. I just assumed it was, but I don't


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[Assistant] Alright, and what position does he play? I don't even know.


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[Assistant] Don't worry about it. Don't panic. We'll be able to talk for 10 minutes. There's plenty of things to talk about. But I need to know more about this. First of all, this can't be good for the orca.


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[Assistant] The, the star running backs are trying to say the running back position is not important. The league is not saying that. The league is saying it's not important to pay


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[Assistant] Running backs a ton of money because there's other running backs that could do the job. It's not that the position is not important, it's the having the


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[Assistant] Austin Eckler wanted to be traded. Reportedly, nobody offered anything. Guy's one of the best backs in the league. Nobody's trading for Jonathan Taylor. That's why I said if I could get him for, I wouldn't trade it. I don't even think anybody would give him a second round pick for him. Because why, why, if you're the Chiefs, would you rather have Dalvin Cook in a second round pick or Jonathan Taylor? I think it's a no-brainer.


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[Assistant] It does- I know, I'm just- But the- only cause the chiefs may not be interested.


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[Assistant] They're not, they're not gonna trade him, it'll be fine. He's not holding out or anything like that. Uhm, you know, he's on his rookie contract still. So what, you know, Earthshaker should just shut the hell up. He's an idiot.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. Speaking of which, I, you know, I haven't, we haven't talked about it in the last couple of days. I'm sure you guys talked about it last week, what happened with Brawny.


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[Assistant] Let's hope, let's hope. You don't see, you don't see a lot of fat senior citizens. Uh, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Aditi. Aditi Kikwala of CBS. CBS! And we haven't seen her in a while. I just talked to her this week, so I've seen her.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess. I don't know. By the way, when you first came on and said you, I thought for a sec, in my mind when you said you were harried, I thought you said you were hairy. That's what I thought.


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[Assistant] I have the most important question for you. Okay. This is the question of the football season.


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[Assistant] Uh, a serious note, we were having a little bit of a debate. Who is the better head coach?


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[Assistant] Mike Tomlin or Harbaugh, if you had to choose between those two, and I know you, you know both of them very well, uh, if you had to pick between the two, I went with Harbaugh, Earl went with Tomlin, I don't think Jason made an opinion, but who's your pick between the two?


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[Assistant] You had to choose. Tomlin. He's going Tomlin. Who you going? Hardball Tomlin. You had to pick.


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[Assistant] Mike Tomlin won a Super Bowl early in his career with a guy who's gonna now be a Hall of Famer in Ben Roethlisberg. Much as I detest him, he's going to be a Hall of Famer. Whereas Hardball won a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco, who is never gonna sniff the Hall of Fame. Right. Big difference.


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[Assistant] And it depends on your standards, right? I mean, the Steelers have higher standards because they've had so much success. He's 100% right. That's not a successful season.


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[Assistant] Even though it would be better than anything they've had, he can't be good. This, the AFC is so stacked with great quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] That you gotta keep up. And they didn't trade three first round picks plus for a good quarterback. They traded it for a great quarterback. And he's gotta be that. Part of it is getting his mojo back. We talked about this yesterday. He needs that swag, that confidence, confidence, whatever the hell you wanna call it. That was gone last year, Adini. He needs to bring that back. And if, you know, and, and, which is why winning


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[Assistant] No, and honestly, uh, I, when, when Patrick Mahomes got hurt against Jacksonville, uhm, I wanted him to play and be healthy against the Bengals, because I wanted the Bengals to go to the Super Bowl, but I didn't want them to beat Chad Henney. That would have felt, I know a lot of people disagree, maybe don't believe me, that would have felt cheap.


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[Assistant] With the Mikey, Ben Baby. That guy's not a Bengals fan. He does a great job covering the Bengals.


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[Assistant] It is funny to me because when I worked in New York, obviously I wasn't full-time there, so I wasn't on as often and didn't develop as many relationships with fans as I have here, but I don't root for any New York teams.


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[Assistant] I don't care who. That's 100% true. Alright Anthony, what do you got for us?


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[Assistant] I actually thought it was cool that he, he responds, at least in this show, that's what the, I don't know if he does this all the time, but that he responded to fan mail as part of that Tuesday.


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[Assistant] And I didn't like him. I had bad thoughts about him going into this. And I feel I like him a lot more after watching this. I thought he came off extremely well. Now listen, the reality is, he is


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[Assistant] No, I don't really believe that, but, you know, but, but, he has to account for that


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[Assistant] I don't think Kirk Cousins has any elite traits, and for him to be as good as he is without that,


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[Assistant] When you hear, you know, uh, a number of the former Saturday Night Live cast members, I've heard, you know, go on Howard Stern and do interviews, and across the board, especially David Spade talks about this a lot, but a lot of the guys have talked about this on there, uhm, the fact that, like, I think it's, I don't know if it's the night before, one day during the week,


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[Assistant] You are who your job is, you're not. No, you're not. Family is always most important. Anthony, you got a final thing you want to say on this?


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[Assistant] As for the Guardians, do you guys have a final take you want to hit on?


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[Assistant] I, I think the team is, it seems like there's a lot of anger in the locker room.


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[Assistant] Because when the front office decides to quit on the season. Well, okay.


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[Assistant] The team ultimately is their fault. They didn't play well at all. However, we all know the reason why, but they are in the hunt. Very much in it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, I, I, I mean, I am curious. If I'm Jose right now, I'm pissed. Sure. And, but what I'm really gonna be pissed is...


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[Assistant] If they go another offseason and do nothing. Because, let's face it, the Guardians have essentially done nothing to make the team better.


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[Assistant] On the major league level for a number of years now.


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[Assistant] But wait a second here. Hold on. The Reds have not signed any other significant free agent in the last 10 years that I can think of.


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[Assistant] And the Reds, who were in first place in the NL Central, in a better division than the AL Central, just sat out the trade deadline. And with the Guardians, I can at least argue that I understand why they made those trades, because they stink.


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[Assistant] We met this nigga at Bossa Nova. For real? Oh god, we was at Bossa Nova. This nigga was like, I could change your life.


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[Assistant] Managing nothing like that. That's just, you know, early on.


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[Assistant] Frontline is made possible by contributions to your PBS station from viewers like you. Thank you.


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[Assistant] Coming soon. Also, I got my little, you know, tape. Where's Jugg?


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[Assistant] Uh, just wanted to give you a first peek of the, the highlight reel that we're going to show on Saturdays when you're on field. Uh, this is what everyone will see at uh, at halftime, so.


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[Assistant] If Jack Ruby knew that you were a law enforcement officer. They always had, uh, plenty of liquor. Dancing girls, food, or anything else.


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[Assistant] The Kam Peaces did know Carlos Marcelo because one day I was in Joe Kam Peaces' office and he called Carlos on the phone and I talked to Carlos on the phone.


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[Assistant] With this, my new, well it's not my new, but it's my old Canon T3i. It's a very good quality camera, I just never had a really chance to use it, but I'm gonna bring it so that I can take all the awesome pictures I can at Comic-Con.


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[Assistant] Thank you everyone for bearing with me through this, and I hope to give you some cool stuff at Comic Con. My brother's an exhibitor there, so I get to go backstage.


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[Assistant] And I don't have to do anything that he has to do. He has to sit in a booth all day. I get to go walking around the floor. So hopefully I'll meet Ian McKellen and all the people from Hobbit. But anyway, thanks everyone for watching. And as always, I will see you in the next video. Bye bye!


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[Assistant] The Decepticons control the airwaves. The only secure way to communicate is by messenger. I volunteered. Name's Bumblebee.


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[Assistant] Your- Sura, it pains me to tell you this, but our leader, Zeta Prime, is dead.


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[Assistant] William Bosco came over, beating on my door, yelling frantically that his wife was dead.


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[Assistant] And I grabbed my phone, called 911, and went to see what, how I could help.


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[Assistant] Gone to dinner, expecting me to join them shortly.


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[Assistant] I expect you to just answer some questions.


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[Assistant] It was a half hour to 45 minutes into the questioning is when they started accusing me of raping and killing Michelle Bosco.


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[Assistant] They told me that I had failed the polygraph test and that


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[Assistant] I need to start telling the truth about what I did.


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[Assistant] And you have a person sitting over across the table from you that's getting in your face, yelling at you, calling you a liar, poking you in the chest with their finger, and then


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[Assistant] Turns around and says, well I can help you.


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[Assistant] If you tell me the truth, tell me what happened.


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[Assistant] And it went on and on and on throughout the night with them calling me a liar. Telling me that I needed to tell the truth. And I kept telling them, I am telling you the truth. I didn't do it.


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[Assistant] Is a very intimidating person. He's not a big person.


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[Assistant] But he's like a bulldog. Once he gets his teeth into you, he doesn't stop until he gets what he wants from you. And that's what he did. He just kept relentlessly going at me throughout the night to get me to confess. And he got what he wanted. He got me to confess. Even though it was a false confession.


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[Assistant] I grabbed a flat hard shoe and I struck her with it. And then I got up and left.


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[Assistant] She started questioning me more about it, and...


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[Assistant] She had at one point demonstrated on herself on where Michelle was stabbed at in her chest.


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[Assistant] I started looking around for something and I saw a knife. I picked it up and I stabbed her about three times.


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[Assistant] I got up, I dropped the weapon, and I went out.


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[Assistant] Probably really sank in after that, that, you know, I messed up. I should have stood my ground.


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[Assistant] Just unimaginable to myself at that point.


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[Assistant] He physically, emotionally wore me down to the point where I just couldn't go anymore. And I just told him what he wanted to hear.


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[Assistant] Cause I don't know if there's someone that's going to want to be around me.


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[Assistant] I have to be registered as a sex offender for the next 25 years.


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[Assistant] First thing I did was some heavy backchanneling, mostly on Craigslist and Facebook. I needed to locate some of these real-life Florida men. First up was Robbie.


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[Assistant] So many Florida man stories filling the news. Did Florida reporters know something I didn't?


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[Assistant] I went to an undisclosed orange grove to meet a very casually dressed journalist to find out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, good morning everybody at the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Couple things that we need to talk about today. First things first, on tonight actually.


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[Assistant] And Jim Donovan will be hosting it. They're going to be talking about the career of Joe Thomas. It's going to be interviews with Joe Thomas, his wife Annie, his high school football coach, and even former teammates. And they'll also have a sit down with Kevin Stefanski to talk about the Hall of Fame game and the Cleveland Browns training camp. Also today as a thank you to the, uh, members


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[Assistant] And joining us right now is the athletic senior writer, Mike Sandow. Mike, welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. How are you? Eyes of Shad.


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[Assistant] And Mike, I was just gonna ask real quick before we wrapped up, you know, the rookie quarterbacks that was drafted in the first round, the, uh, CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson, and, uh, Bryce Young, which of those guys can you see possibly be in the tier four, tier three quarterback next year when this list comes out?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we did. But before we get to that, I just want to remind people to subscribe to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Hit that bell for the all the latest alerts.


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[Assistant] Get full benefit packages, pay time off, sign up bonuses, apply online at precast.com slash careers to learn more. So today we decided to put up two poll questions. I'm going to read them in order.


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[Assistant] Uh, the first one was the guardians were sellers at the trade deadline and capped it off by being no hit by the Houston Astros. Will the guardians still win that week?


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[Assistant] They talk about how Elijah Moore's being used and his potential and the things that he can do.


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[Assistant] So I don't, I wouldn't necessarily classify as over a height. Use where, Earl? Practice. I understand it's practice. No, I understand it's practice, but you classified it as over a height. It can just be optimism based on what they see. That's fine.


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[Assistant] It's bullfuck. How is it? What's bullfuck? G ain't here. G all, G all at home beat up cause he was arguing with bull yesterday. He's injured from art.


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[Assistant] I do got a question for you. Yeah. So when you say like people are overhyping Elijah Moore, are you more so talking about the fans or just other medias that, uh, other members of the media? Both.


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[Assistant] So we had Mary Kay on Monday and you know, she had a very strong opinion, but it didn't seem like over hype. I like, I not know like it's the difference of perspective. I guess.


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[Assistant] I do got a point about, you know, you all were talking about him, uh, Elijah Moore getting lost with the New York Jets. And it reminded me of Denzel Mims. Denzel Mims was another wide receiver that was drafted in the second round by New York who seemed like who just got lost in the rotation. Another guy that was disgruntled and frustrated because he wasn't being able to be featured on the field.


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[Assistant] And then he ended up being traded this year. So I wonder how much of that. Where is he? I mean, he's a.


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[Assistant] He ain't gonna do anything there either. I'm saying he didn't get the opportunity to. Here's another guy that was a second round pick in 2020 and he never really saw the field. If you really look at it over the first two seasons, him and Elijah Moore numbers is pretty similar. This was a guy that just for whatever reason, they didn't put him out there and feature him. So,


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[Assistant] I told G, I believe by the end of the season, he can probably be the best cornerback on the team. I really believe that.


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[Assistant] No, yea, I had a question for Jason. You know, you struck a note with the MJ Emerson conversation. We know that last year he had a solid rookie year. Is it your opinion it was the game against the Buccaneers when he kind of shut down Mike Evans is when the Browns knew, okay, we might got a


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[Assistant] And yeaah, we do have Alex Van Pelt comments. Uh, Steve, you can take those. This was him on Elijah Moore and the rest of the wide receiver group.