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[Assistant] At last we came to the end of our trek. In the new place, there were many seals, and the hunting that winter was very good.


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[Assistant] Uh, I can't wait to hear your, your opinions on a lot of hot topics today. Very busy show. Yeah. Before we get into the show, I want to create this as a documented excuse in case there's questions at the Lloyd household tonight about why Jason's ass is bright red.


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[Assistant] I don't know anything about a reach around. I don't know anything about what's going on over there, but I hope you're right. Uh, busy, busy show. Obviously a lot to get into off the news last night of the DeMar Hamlin tragic situation. We're going to try to update you as best we can on that and also get into perhaps and you never want to speculate in these situations because that's the last thing you want to do.


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[Assistant] There is some, there is some evidence pointing towards what happened and how it happened, and we're going to dive into that. Uhm, we have, I think, the, the guy in Cleveland to come on and talk about this. Formerly the physician with the Cleveland Browns, now he's with the Cavaliers. He's, uhm, he's ahead of the concussion center for the Cleveland Clinic, but,


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[Assistant] Don't mistake it. He's certainly qualified to talk about this issue, which clearly was not a head injury. We're gonna get to that. Aditi knows Damar Hamlin from his days at Pitt.


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[Assistant] She has spent time around him. She's gonna join us in the noon hour to talk a little bit about her.


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[Assistant] Uh, at one point last night in the coverage, Scott VanPeldo, I thought did an amazing job on SportsCenter.


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[Assistant] But somebody said this isn't just a sports story, it's a news story. And then at one point, I think Ryan Clark said, this is everybody in the world is watching this. That, that's not true. Right. You know, sometimes we're at the center of our own universe. And I think last night is a perfect example of that. Serena Winters has no idea what's going on. Exactly. Exactly. Nor should she. She's doing


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[Assistant] And I don't even think we need to get into those because why would we pay them any mind or attention at all? But for the most part, those that were tweeting about other things, many of them had no idea what was going on.


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[Assistant] No, I think it went to Code Red for me when they showed the cutaway of Josh Allen. I was watching with my wife and I said,


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[Assistant] I'm afraid this player isn't going to survive. Right. That's what someone looks like when they're watching someone lose their life. It was a horrific, it wasn't, you know, a spinal injury or no movement. It was what you, what you look like when you're watching a man


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[Assistant] Who is not breathing, take emergency CPR. And that's as it turned out, that's exactly what Josh Allen was looking at when we saw that horrific shot. We're going to get into all of that. Also, we are going to talk about the Sean Watson second half against the commanders. Is this the real Deshaun Watson? Did he do that against, uh, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] I don't want to say inferior defense, but I don't think it's one of the NFL's elite defenses, but we're going to talk about what that meant moving forward and also.


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[Assistant] We haven't all given our thoughts yet on the Georgia Ohio State game and the now subsequent championship matchup, Georgia TZU, which is exciting. Absolutely nobody nationwide. We'll talk about that in greater detail. But first we begin with Demar Hamlin. We've talked about it a little bit. If you weren't watching last night or you haven't heard what happened,


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[Assistant] At about the 6 minute mark in the first quarter with the Bengals leading 7-3 and driving against the Bills on Monday Night Football, T Higgins collided with Damar Hamlin. It was, uh,


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[Assistant] No! Of course not! Yes! T Higgins was doing his job. People were giving him death threats. I know, that's insane. What's wrong with people? Hamlin was doing his job. Yes, of course. Unfortunately, uhm, it led to a situation where


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[Assistant] It was a really tough spot. Um, and it was, I think the one thing they drove home, not just Aikman and Buck, but also everybody that was speaking on ESPN afterwards, including Adam Schefter and Ryan Clark. This is something that none of us has ever seen. Schefter made a great point.


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[Assistant] Every player and coach that's on that field right now is watching something that they have never seen before. They were watching a man essentially lying lifeless.


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[Assistant] On the field that moments earlier, the biggest game of the regular season was taking place. So what happens is


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[Assistant] Could see everything. Uhm, so when you're doing a game like that, you do have access to different feeds and Scott Van Pelt talked about this. You can see other cameras, not just the program monitor. You can see other cameras and he was seeing things that we were not. So I want to make that clear.


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[Assistant] Those that had access to those cameras, Scott Van Pelt and specifically Joe Buck, were speaking about things they saw on feed cameras that we weren't seeing. Buck had said at one point that CPR was being administered for quote, many, many minutes. And that's when it really became fearful to me.


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[Assistant] My doctor, my next door neighbor is Dr. Jim Williams, who was a physician with the Indians for a long time. He's since retired. We were speaking on the phone. His fear was my fear. When I was living in New Jersey,


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[Assistant] My son was playing little league there. There was a young man who was hit in the chest with a batted ball.


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[Assistant] And it was the first time I'd ever been made aware of this condition, which has a name.


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[Assistant] It's actually what happens when you are hit when the heart is between beats, when the heart is paused. It's not, it's not beating. It's, it's contracting and it's in between beats. Commodio cordis. That's it. You got it right. I didn't even attempt to pronounce it because I was afraid I would mispronounce it. I knew of that condition back when I was coaching my son in New Jersey Little League. This young man,


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[Assistant] And as a result of that, all New Jersey Little Leagues passed a law where there had to be the DFIB unit on site just in the rare event. And you're talking about a one in a million, probably more than that, where this happens.


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[Assistant] When I was talking to Dr. Williams, we were both saying the same thing. It has to happen in the exact right spot at the exact right time. And I later thought about it, no, it's the exact wrong spot at the exact wrong time.


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[Assistant] It looks like that's what happened. Again, we don't know.


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[Assistant] I go back to Joe Buck's comment that they were performing CPR for many, many minutes.


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[Assistant] I agree with you and that was my thought exactly. When I heard Ben's report that they were waiting for Damar's mother who was in the stands, if you can imagine the horror of that entire moment.


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[Assistant] Great that she's with him, but can you imagine, I mean, you can't, there's 106 players in uniform down there. The odds that something like this would happen to your son and you're in, it's just unthinkable.


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[Assistant] It's beyond awful, but I thought the same thing, Bull. I thought that because he must have been...


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[Assistant] stabilized. Now obviously equipment inside that ambu that would be available to they were probably able t We don't know the timeline


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[Assistant] He was transported from the stadium to the hospital at 925. That's a span obviously of 30 minutes. And then we later heard that he was in critical condition.


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[Assistant] We're not a doctor, uhm, and, and it is dangerous what we're doing. And I, I apologize to that because the one thing that I told myself coming in this morning is we have to stick with what we know. We can't speculate. I saw a lot of doctors last night speculating. I sent the group a YouTube video of a doctor explaining


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[Assistant] The condition that we spoke of. What happens in that condition? He had graphics and everything to show exactly how you go into this situation.


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[Assistant] Somebody who covers soccer sent me a message last night. I haven't been able to verify this, so I don't want to give the player's name.


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[Assistant] You know what bizarrely came to my mind last night? I don't know if you guys remember this. You may cause you're a huge baseball fan. I believe it was around the, in the nineties when the cherry. The umpire, the umpire.


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[Assistant] He went down and that's what came to mind for me. It was obviously a massive heart attack. He did not survive.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's what came to mind to me. And the other thing that came to mind to me, which is another bizarre Cincinnati tie-in, was that's the same field that we watched Tua suffer his trauma earlier this season.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I wasn't, that's why I didn't want to go with that, but it was, it was told to me that a similar situation. I didn't, I didn't have the time to look into it, so I didn't want to say for sure. I think his was not trauma related. He just went down with a cardiac incident.


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[Assistant] And we'll get into that. Yeah, we'll get into that because I don't, some of that's fair, but I think a lot of it's unfair. I noticed this morning that Troy Vincent, who is management with the NFL was very, very quick and I knew that this was coming when Scott kept reiterating the five minute point last night. I kept saying commissioners on line one to the control room because


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[Assistant] Spoke to me in the vein of sportsmanship. And how we put so much on every play. And last night, beginning at 8.55, the Bengals and the Bills were on the same team.


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[Assistant] And I don't think I've ever seen an incident like this where the sportsmanship


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[Assistant] Was just jumping off the screen at you. The images to me that jump out was Joe Burrow consoling a obviously, obviously rattled Josh Allen. When Zach Taylor, because it,


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[Assistant] They are not going to restart this game, but to me, the competitor took over in digs, who also was clearly rattled with tears on his face. When they took that shot, I thought, my God, they're planning to resume this game.


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[Assistant] In the vast majority, they end up okay. We've seen players paralyzed on the field of play. It's happened that I can think of a number of times. Going all the way back to Daryl Sting.


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[Assistant] Dennis Berg. Dennis Berg. Dennis Berg. The Rutgers player. Ben, a lot of players, uh, uh. We got his name. He speaks now. Yeaah. He's a good friend of my son.


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[Assistant] Yes. Yes he is. No movement from the ledge down.


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[Assistant] We've seen that, but the reason this was water that we've never traveled in before was because we were watching


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[Assistant] Teammates and opposing players watch a man lying lifeless on the field before. And to my knowledge, that's never happened. I've never seen it. I've never, I even, you know, I know Adam Schefter talked at length last night. He couldn't find an incident before where a player's heart had stopped on the field. And that clearly was the case. They were administering CPR.


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[Assistant] Actually you can take it all the way to who wins this year's Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Because home field advantage, we know how critical that is. Buffalo is fighting for that. Buffalo has beaten Kansas City. Kansas City is watching all this saying, what are we going to do?


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[Assistant] This is the year of the decision for the NFL because I thought prior to this, the Deshaun Watson decision was to me one of the most closely watched decisions the league has ever made. Everybody was watching and there was a huge stake in the game. I think that this is, this is bigger.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's not ideal, but it's the best option I've heard because quite frankly, the coin flip, I read some things online this morning where they talk about, you know, if in the event a game cannot have a final result.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, you get the game in. We'll talk more about that later in the program. Right now, I want to bring in, uh, Dr. Richard Figler. He's the guest that I mentioned at the top of the show, would be joining us to talk about this. Dr. Figler is the director of the Cleveland Clinic Concussion Center. Doctor, thank you so much for joining us. Uhm. My pleasure.


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[Assistant] To what you were thinking as you were watching all of this unfold last night.


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[Assistant] which is awesome. That we there have been no updat I know at one point the that it was unlikely tha an update early this morni noon and we still haven't on a situation. The last condition. I know that t


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[Assistant] We don't want to speculate as to exactly what the condition was, but I know that there were a lot of folks in the medical community that were theorizing that because of the kind of hit he took, it was a dramatic, uhm,


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[Assistant] What can you tell us about that? And if that is what happened in your experience, what is the likelihood of a full recovery from that if it indeed is what happened?


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[Assistant] Doctor, one last question before we let you go. The one thing that I've noticed about the players' equipment over the last three or four years, particularly this season, has really jumped out at me is how much smaller the shoulder pads are that these players are wearing. In some instances, it looks like these guys are playing with no shoulder pads at all.


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[Assistant] I'm wondering, I know you said it's not preventable, but...


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[Assistant] I'm familiar with the piece of equipment, the chest plate, that is a strap on for pitchers to wear.


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[Assistant] Is, is, would it reduce the likelihood of this happening if that padding over the sternum area was thicker? Or is it still gonna happen if there is that traumatic event to the exact wrong spot at the exact wrong time?


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[Assistant] Doctor, thank you very much. Doctor Williams told me last night you'd be the perfect guy for this job. He was absolutely right. You nailed it. Tough spot.


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[Assistant] Doctor, be well. Thank you again very much. Appreciate it. Just to show you, uhm, like, I, I reached out to Dr. Figler last night.


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[Assistant] While the Cavs game was in overtime, knowing he was very busy. He's the Cavs physician. Yeah. Uhm, but Dr. Williams assured me, uhm, he's, he's a great guy. He is the guy you want on this topic.


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[Assistant] They jumped through hoops to make him available for us this morning. We're very glad he did it. I think we're all a little smarter on what happened last night. And I actually feel a little bit better. To the aortic dissection that he spoke of, Dr. Williams told me the same thing. Like if it was an aortic dissection,


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[Assistant] That's, even if it wasn't a full dissection, but just a tear, they would have had him to the hospital within minutes. Right, right, right. So it seems like they get everything right.


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[Assistant] Immediate surgery and it doesn't always save your life. I mean the brain starts, brain damage occurs at about the four minute mark once it's without oxygen.


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[Assistant] The fact that they had the AED, that he was being defribed on the field. Right. I think, uhm,


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[Assistant] And he also, during our text exchange this morning, he told me something that was incredible that I never knew. And it's something to watch for in the future when these kinds of things happen.


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[Assistant] He's stadium response. And Doc Williams, my neighbor, was stadium response. And he, Doc Figgler was formerly with the Browns, now he's with the Cass. He was telling me that they think of everything that could possibly go wrong in these situations. So the doctors all have, the team medical physicians all have radios with them.


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[Assistant] If in the event the radio communication fails, there are hand signals that they can use, that they can communicate things that are going on.


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[Assistant] Between them and perhaps the ambulance crew or other medical personnel. Uh, this is something that a great deal of time, thought and energy has gone into this protocol. And I think what we witnessed last night and he said himself, he thinks everything was done properly.


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[Assistant] The hope is that it was. This man regains full function and it's not outside the realm. I've had other doctors tell me this morning that


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[Assistant] I was asking questions again, speculative, but is this potentially career ending? And no one seemed to think that it was, provided he survives and there was no heart damage.


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[Assistant] The likelihood of this happening again to him is the same as it is to happening to every other player, which is one in a million. How many hits have we seen?


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[Assistant] Big shout out to the Cleveland Clinic and to Dr. Figler. And we transition.


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[Assistant] To that Cavaliers game because I've never been in a spot in my fandom before.


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[Assistant] Thinking at one point, by the way, with about 40 seconds to go, this is an out, and this is a bad out.


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[Assistant] They were not good, but watching what Donovan Mitchell did and the put back on the missed free throw with three seconds to go may go down as, and I don't want to be prisoner of the moment. And I also know that the Kyrie three and the LeBron block in the grand pantheon of Cleveland sports meant much more.


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[Assistant] But you quickly could sense that there was no way when that game got to overtime that team was going to lose and they carried that momentum. Jason, what in the hell was it like being in the arena for that game last night?


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[Assistant] I, I was unaware of this. Brian, the great Brian Windhorst, a friend of mine, and I think he's just a tremendous writer. These are the things that Windhorst turns because he talks to guys and he keeps notebooks on things. He's like, I may never need this. And he throws it away. But he came back to it overnight and I thought it was brilliant. I'll read it to you. For eight weeks this summer,


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[Assistant] There was Donovan Mitchell running endless sprints. And listen to this workout, I've never heard of this.


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[Assistant] Mitchell, his trainer David Alexander, and a jug of water.


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[Assistant] Six sprints of 50 meters. Okay, you're gassed at six, if you do six fifties, you're gassed. That's 60 yards in a football. Then, five, 100 meters.


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[Assistant] Three at 200 meters, and here's the kicker, and here's why he was able to do what he did last night. And then, at the end,


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[Assistant] Two lung busting 400s. The most grueling of them all on a surface that was usually around 100 degrees in heat. My son is a coach and he does sprint workouts and trainings and he trains mostly for bursts.


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[Assistant] He may not win the MVP, but he is damn well in the thick of that conversation. After this, he's catching votes. He's moving up from six to three in my mind.


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[Assistant] He's doing that on his own. You did it because the coach ordered it.


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[Assistant] To me, that one paragraph told me all I needed to know if I didn't already about who this guy is. He is driven to be not just great, but he's driven to be an MVP.


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[Assistant] Obviously, Roger Davis hit a big home run. It was bigger because who it was against, the situation, and it was game seven of the World Series. But just for a second, if you can, and I know it's very difficult, wash Kyrie's three out of what it meant. Not what it meant, just your eyeballs watching it.


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[Assistant] Where does that rank for you guys in either Cavs All-Time Great Performances or Cleveland Sports All-Time Great Performances?


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[Assistant] What Wilt did was a physical domination over everybody else that played the sport.


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[Assistant] We're clearly on opposite ends of the spectrum. You've made your case. I think Wiltz was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. I don't think it will ever be topped. You didn't see it. However, I mean, I've read about it. I've seen the picture. By the way, there's no video of that.


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[Assistant] To me it seemed like a freak show, like a carnival act, like, hey Will, you got 100 Indian tonight?


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[Assistant] There was an aura around all of those games. Guys, let's give them a show. We're here to win fans. That was it. Remember, 20 years later, this league was still playing their finals games on tape. I mean, you gotta think about it.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not, I'm not. No, no, to me, I think it just throws more fuel on my fire for my argument. I thought that with those assists combined with his points and also the bucket that he had with three seconds to go.


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[Assistant] Because of what we're talking about. Different game. I, I think it's funny that now you're a victim of your own rule.


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[Assistant] It over time to get there. To me, does give me, uh, Kobe the edge. In my mind. In my mind.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, no, listen, I reached out this morning to a Yankees writer and said, is this dude legit? And he said, yes. No. So wait, we're saying, we're saying no. We have, we have a source debate here.


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[Assistant] Because you know what? It's a fascinating topic. Even if it ends up being fake, I have something that it reminded me of.


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[Assistant] Obviously talking about the DeMar Hamlin injury, uh, we had Dr. Richard Figgler on as the director of concussion, uh,


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[Assistant] The Cleveland Clinic Concussion Center.


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[Assistant] That's just, and I imagine that number will continue to climb. Aditi, you tweeted that out.


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[Assistant] 45 minutes after he had fallen on the field. So I, I, in all likelihood, and I don't know who gets, you know, who did it first, but obviously with your reach, your tweet, I'm sure has been retweeted thousands of times. And it's amazing how, you know, we spend a lot of time, to your point, about social media can be


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[Assistant] Such an ugly, toxic place. But when you see something like what we witnessed in real time last night, first of all, the number of athletes, organizations, former players, teammates,


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[Assistant] People that didn't even know him that were tweeting prayers for, for Damar and his family. It was, it was really...


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[Assistant] Aditi, uhm, I know you know Ryan Clark from your days of covering the Steelers. He was...


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[Assistant] We had a brief conversation about his comment and I want to get your reaction to it because you've covered these men, you know these people, in some cases almost boys, 24 years old, well I think back to when I was 24, Ryan Clark made a comment


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[Assistant] He said at 24 years old, I didn't even know I could die.


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[Assistant] These guys, when they put on that uniform, they know there's inherent risk. But most of the risk that they think about is the risk of being paralyzed and changing their lives forever. I don't know that prior to what we saw last night,


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[Assistant] Any of these guys, like race car drivers know when they strap in, this could be it. I may never touch the ground again, but that's never really been the feeling for football players because we had never seen it.


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[Assistant] Talk about the mentality, uh, the almost gladiator mentality of these guys and Ryan's situation of knowing that his sickle cell diagnosis and an earlier situation he had playing in Denver could cost him his life, yet he stood in Mike Tomlin's office


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[Assistant] And tried to, tried to tell Mike Tomlin through other doctors, I'm gonna be okay before Tomlin shut down the whole conversation. What are your memories of that? And, and this mentality that I speak of.


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[Assistant] I think it was Troy Vincent that said this morning what these two coaches did last night was lead.


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[Assistant] And Aditi, it's my hope that as, as, and, and there'd be plenty of time to dissect the minutia of the timeline of what was going on.


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[Assistant] We know about the Joe Buck comment that the players have been told, take five minutes and gather your thoughts and then we're gonna play football. And that just seems patently absurd. It seemed absurd at the time.


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[Assistant] To me, on the outside looking in, and there may be a lot of stuff that, I'm sure there is a lot of stuff I don't know, but to me it felt like those that were leading last night were Taylor and McDermott. Because I believe that they were the, I think, uh,


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[Assistant] And it looked like through the prism that we had that these were the two men saying, no, we're not going to do this. We're not going to do this. And I hope we don't find out that the league was pushing the product. Let's get this thing on the road. The show must go on because this was unprecedented. This wasn't a player that was carted off with a thumbs up.


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[Assistant] This was a player laying motionless and lifeless without a heartbeat on the field. And when I saw the cutaway of Josh Allen, I immediately said,


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[Assistant] And he put out a statement last night that said his vitals had returned to normal and that he was essentially had been intubated so that they could, you know, he didn't really go into the detail but did say that his vitals had


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[Assistant] Come back to normal. There was a lot, and I was, as I'm watching this in real time, and I-


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[Assistant] I know so many of the players at ESPN and particularly some of the behind the scenes folks, I was really surprised that there wasn't an attempt to talk about Jordan's tweet or to get him on the air because


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[Assistant] While, while Twitter and the Twittersphere was trying to verify who this guy is, uhm, they were trying to parse whether or not this was reliable information. I thought this was the most


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[Assistant] I know you gotta be careful, you gotta vet it, but what I was surprised at was, and this may have been going on behind the scenes and maybe they couldn't get a hold of Jordan, but as a viewer, in real time, I wanted


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[Assistant] Right, had to say no, this is like one of the best receivers in the NFL and his teammate, he needs to go inside.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's not some Yahoo who's tweeting out. Because he didn't have the blue checkmark, people wanted to dismiss his information. I thought in the moment he had vital information.


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[Assistant] What was going on behind the scenes? I would imagine that ESPN was trying to get a hold of Jordan to see if he would come on and share what he knew with them and their audience, where he got that information. Uh, it was really the only piece of medical information that we got from anyone last night. Nobody else had anything.


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[Assistant] Uh, Aditi, I know this is, this is a terribly speculative question. Uh, we chewed on this a little while earlier at the last thing anybody was thinking about last night and really even today is playing a football game. But ultimately the NFL has on its plate right now a very weighty decision.


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[Assistant] I mean, not even the Chiefs who are in a situation obviously where it could cost them home field advantage. We don't know Cincinnati, Buffalo, all these teams are in the midst.


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[Assistant] I think no matter what the league does, there's going to be criticism because that's just the way it is. It's almost like, you know, not in scope, but when they were making the Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Well said. Thanks Aditi. Aditi, I know this was tough for you. Uhm, we adore you. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing your thoughts on what I know is a very, very difficult afternoon for you. Thank you Aditi.


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[Assistant] You use winning percentages instead of, because let's face it, a 17 game sample and a 16 game sample, is there that much difference? And even if the Chiefs end up being on the short end of this stick,


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[Assistant] And play a playoff game when they beat them head to head this year.


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[Assistant] There's no good, there's no- There's no great answer. No, no matter what scenario you pick, there's going to be loop, there's going to be punch holes in this argument.


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[Assistant] I don't either. I think time, this is so time sensitive. Asking the other seven, uh, 30 teams to take that 18th week and just sit it out. I think that's, I think, I think what about the teams that are, we're planning on resting their players and had a first round by you're talking about a month's of inactivity.


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[Assistant] I took it out of the NFL's hands. Tells me they are not playing a game anytime soon. I agree with you. I think that I don't know if there was discussion between the league and the bills.


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[Assistant] I'm sure they had a flight that was chartered. They left shortly. They stayed at the stadium until just short shortly after midnight. And then as planned, took their chartered flight back to Buffalo. I think when I read that early this morning, I said, Oh, that takes the decision out of their hands.


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[Assistant] I agree with you. One of the things I thought of last night when they were discussing what happens and they made that


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[Assistant] What seems a patently absurd comment now. They're gonna go regroup for five minutes and stretch and then they're gonna play.


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[Assistant] I immediately thought you go into both locker rooms and on a show of hands how many got, and I can assure you that it would have been overwhelming on both sides. We're not playing this football game. And that's why I was glad that ultimately, however they got there, whether it was Taylor who initiated this whole thing,


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[Assistant] However they got there, they got to the right decision to not play a football game last year.


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[Assistant] And I would not be surprised at all if there wasn't immediately an open line of communication between someone


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[Assistant] At, in Bristol and someone in Park Avenue offices where, and I'm not saying it was the commissioner, but I think early on when they kept taking one commercial break after another, it was apparent that a broadcast decision had to be made. And I do believe from working inside that bubble and seeing how that goes, there was absolutely an open line of communication between the league and the network.


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[Assistant] You mentioned the players said they're waiting for us to die. And I thought about that conversation we had with Bernie on this very set about


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[Assistant] And this person told me what they learned about the process was this man


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[Assistant] This man, it's his job to make as much money as he can for the owners. However, I will say this, and this is something that has bothered me for a long time.


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[Assistant] When it became public, the amount, the dollar amount of the CTE settlement, I had a player who told me, that is laughable. And this is what the player said, 10 years from now, get back to me on how much of that money they've paid out.


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[Assistant] Chidi Ahanitu played for the Bucks for a long time. Very good friend of mine. He's been involved in trying to get some of this settlement money.


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[Assistant] I know other players that were named on the complaint against the league. I know other players that believed they deserved it but didn't put their name on it. Which was, I found fascinating and they all had different reasons why they didn't enter as a party to the lawsuit. But it is,


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[Assistant] It is befuddling to me how Jason, and maybe you have answers to this, how


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[Assistant] What looked like a win for the players at the time.


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[Assistant] There's, there was a stat a number of years ago, Jason, I'm sure you're familiar with this, 75% of the players within five years of leaving the field are one of the following, either broke, incarcerated, divorced, or addicted.


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[Assistant] So I know that, I think we as fans, to your point,


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[Assistant] Need to do a better job of holding the league accountable.


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[Assistant] It is beyond my recollection or I can't get my arms around the notion.


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[Assistant] That there was this blasted headline everywhere about this negotiated settlement between the league and the players.


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[Assistant] It's all in the fine print. The devil is in the detail. One of the things that the league wanted to take better control of was


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[Assistant] How we get to this diagnosis. The league shouldn't control that. The league is using it's own doctors. Bernie Kozar has told me on a number of occasions. Why are the courts not stepping in?


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[Assistant] This is why I say the power of the fans should not be underestimated. The fans last night.


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[Assistant] That money. It's as simple as that. And the irony is baseball, you mentioned baseball and basketball have these guaranteed contracts. There's no sport on the planet. Maybe hockey approaches it. There's no sport on the planet more dangerous, explosive and dangerous every single play. There is a collision between 11 players.


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[Assistant] On both sides. Yeaah, it's crazy. Every play, a hundred times a week. Yeaah. Eighteen soon to be times a year.


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[Assistant] Because the same things that they're willing to call now a pre-existing condition are pre-existing conditions because he got them.


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[Assistant] with his blood for this organization. And he, he told me, he goes, everybody thinks that, you know, 20 years in the league, you got this pile of money and you don't need to, he goes,


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[Assistant] It's not the case. He's still, you know, he worked at ESPN. Now he's calling the games for the Lions on the radio. He's doing these other things. And he's got it better than 95% of the other players because he's a Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] It really is insane and it's got to change and it's up to the players. The fans can't get it changed. The owners aren't going to willfully do it. The players have to band together and maybe this is the event. Maybe this is the cataclysmic event that they all rally around and they all come together and say, you know what, enough


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[Assistant] But Bull, even if this player doesn't, we've learned that the risk is real for every one of these players to be, if not in that situation where you're fighting for your life, situations like others that we've mentioned who have lost use of their limbs for their life.


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[Assistant] And can no longer pursue their dream as a career opportunity.


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[Assistant] I do not remember that and I'd be interested to hear more about that because even the, like, I look at Adam Schefter as, you know, kind of a historian as much as he knows the league that has been the last 25 years since he's covered it. You know, he didn't mention that. I've never heard of that. Not saying it hasn't happened.


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[Assistant] But uhm, I don't remember it. Chapman was the only baseball player that's ever happened. I never heard of football players. Thanks for listening. Yep, we're out of time. Hug your loved ones. Make it a great day. We will see you tomorrow. Lots of grounds tomorrow. Lots of grounds tomorrow.


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[Assistant] That sounds wrong. This, I know this is probably tactless, but on the way out of each of those meetings, did you tell them to watch the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show?


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[Assistant] And I know, I know we're just letting, this is the excuse parade right now. We're letting them all out. But!


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[Assistant] Let's, we can't, we can't just ignore the fact that the, one of those games was played on what was essentially the ice planet Hoth. Star, Star Wars reference. Right. You're welcome. I mean that was, those were horrible conditions.


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[Assistant] Is your concern more one of attitude that he isn't someone who inspires his players? Is that the concern? Oh I think that's obvious. But I'm saying is that the main concern?


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[Assistant] And as a player. Was it, do you know that, like, do we have that? No, I'm just saying, what I- That's the way it seems.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. It appears that way. It does. That's not something that someone told you or anything.


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[Assistant] Speaking of accountability though, don't the players have some accountability to play as hard as they can regardless? Or they gotta pout like this?


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[Assistant] Are we sure Tito can't, are we sure Tito can't coach football as well? I mean the baseball is over and then he can just come in. De'Quil, I got a question for you about football this week. Uhm, this is the first game that these Browns are going in knowing that they are statistically eliminated for certain from the playoffs.


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[Assistant] How's the mentality different? And not, I don't think it's fair to go by you because of, you know, what you are, but the mentality of the locker room, typically of people not like you, uhm, what was it like going into a game like this? And I mean, I know that that might not hold true with every team, but from your experience.


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[Assistant] Uhm, my headline is, you guys might not like it, it's not quite as positive, brown still shitty in capital city.


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[Assistant] I don't like the trajectory of this team currently. I don't like the mood. Uh, I do think they'll get it together for the last game of the season. I do believe that. And that's gonna be like, and that'll give us all hope. But I think we got one more week of just disorder, chaos, and a bunch of young players knowing that they're not playing for anything.


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[Assistant] We don't get to pick as fans who worship this team, that's the wrong word, forever, and love this team.


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[Assistant] I've told him that before and I totally agree. I told him that. I think he's been an important voice on the radio too. Like for that. He was never shy about that. And I think that hits an audience that normally wouldn't is, you know, that normally wouldn't hear those sorts, those sorts of opinions. And you hear a lot of.


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[Assistant] Okay. I didn't know we were supposed to physically send either. I'm just gonna say mine.


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[Assistant] Resolution for the Browns is to show some appreciation for the fan base and what you've put them through this year. And last year. I mean leading into this year. And I mean that, I'm not just being totally glib with that. We talked earlier this week about


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[Assistant] The different franchises in town and how they show appreciation differently or at all. And I do feel like the Cavs do the best job at that of showing love for their fans. And it doesn't have to be anything miraculous either. Sometimes it's just, uh, they, some of their social media stuff, some of their emails that they send out and stuff like that, thanking fans.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Browns just don't think to do that stuff. They think that it's just, uh, well it's your honor to like us. We are the best team in town.


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[Assistant] The Cavs, for example, at the end of every season, they have fan night where they just empty out the prize closets of all the crap they gathered from throughout the year. It could, but it, and some of it's just like Stuart little sandals from a promotional movie thing and stuff like that. It makes no sense.


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[Assistant] I mean, I did like seeing last week at the game when they made all of the people come down from the 500s and go down into the lower seats because they were like, just for warmth, if nothing else.


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[Assistant] That's my, uh, that's, I want you to just show appreciation however you can figure out how to do that cause you put, it's been a rough one. You're just like, well it's just a waiting year. You know it's gonna be next year. People, we're still here. We still gotta sit through this. Just so you know. Personal resolution, I'm gonna eat at 20 different Red Lobsters in 2023. They're going out of business too. Well I better hurry then I guess.


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[Assistant] I'm not scared right now. I think Brad's right. I think they're a young team trying to find their footing. I didn't, I don't like the lack of defense over the last few games, but


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I also, I do have some concerns about them looking lackadaisical at this point in the season and what not.


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[Assistant] I don't think they're taking anything for granted. I do think that we, you know, as with, I think like a lot of Clevelanders, we might, we want this to happen in jail sooner than it might be ready to happen in jail. I don't think they're there yet. I think they probably are still a piece away too. I think it's going to be really interesting to see what, yeah, probably. I think it's going to be really interesting to see what Ricky Rubio adds.


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[Assistant] But I think it's an element that could, it's gonna, I think it'll definitely be more helpful than, uh, than anything. It's not gonna blow up any chemistry, and I think that he can be very helpful, uhm, in his role that he was last year. If you remember, that's when those...


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[Assistant] I think his leadership is great, but you can only lead so much from the bench, and I think he's gotta get out there.


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[Assistant] Good. If you guys don't mind, I'm going to use my final take to share something from a holiday special that I did for WKYC. This was going to be used last week. I forget why I didn't air it, but it would have made more sense then. And I hope that you guys enjoyed this as a commercial break. Quick commercial break. Let's take a look.


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[Assistant] Step dad station. Step dad station. Step dad station. Step dad station.


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[Assistant] For real, cause of that shit? Yeaah. Really? Holy shit.


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[Assistant] Wow, a lot of people wouldn't even want to like admit that they paid for a feature or whatever, but it's pretty crazy that he just like actually fucked with you so hard. That's like the actual value of paying for a feature is that you can actually like get to know somebody on that level really.


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[Assistant] Hell yeaah. So uhm. You say people don't want to admit it? A lot of people don't want to admit it, but then also when you listen to that, it's, when you listen to that and you just hear him like just actually saying that you're the, well not even just saying he fucks with you, but saying you're the realest. That's some crazy shit.


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[Assistant] Alright, so like people have been talking about you like crazy over the course of the past like week or so. Yeah. Explain what happened, cause I saw this video of you and you know, I didn't even, I was just like, man, I hope this dude's alright. Cause I really thought you got shot up. Yeah. Okay. How did this idea come about or how did this whole thing go down?


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[Assistant] It's like, you know, he's not really going to be posting that much. It's not going to be him. It's going to be his mom or somebody associated with him. It's like, it's strange to think that like somebody could want to follow him once most of the interesting shit is out of the way just because like, like, like that doesn't make sense to me. Like how do you figure out that you like somebody after they pass?


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[Assistant] But when, in terms of how the Instagram Live looked and everything, that was like, you wanted to mess with people's heads.


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[Assistant] JMP. The white dude? Yeah, yeah, I know him. He's hard as fuck.


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[Assistant] That's crazy. Okay, but so a lot of people, have you got a lot of criticisms since people realized that you weren't actually dead from people saying that it's fucked up to mess with people's heads and shit?


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[Assistant] I gotta admit that I respect it as a tactic because it's pretty, like, brilliant that it was part of the video, but that you didn't really, like, actually say that you got shot, you just sorta let him think that.


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[Assistant] I mean, in terms of trolling, in terms of like messing with people's heads, I definitely liked it. Like I thought it was, and just cause it got your name out there a lot and made a lot of people pay attention to you, and just the fact, cause I already knew about you, that's why I thought it was crazy, cause I already like, I watch every NBA Youngboy video, so I've seen all that shit too. Uh, yeaah, and I just, I don't know, I thought it was pretty well played.


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[Assistant] Hell yeaah. That's dope. Yeaah. So like, uh, what do you think it is about your stuff that people like, fuck with and makes you different from a lot of other rappers out there?


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[Assistant] Did you, uh, did you see the situation that went down with the kid, uh, soldier kid?


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[Assistant] Cause that was kinda like, sorta like what happened to you, except that that situation just happened to him because kids online just made up a conspiracy theory.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's just like kids were going so crazy after I got shot that like they just were trying to figure out anything. Anything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, they find one lyric where he said something about triple X and they're like,


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[Assistant] Boom. I'm like, I don't know, everybody's hitting me up like, why aren't you reporting on this? This is real. I'm like, listen, I ain't reporting on anything until somebody gets arrested. Like, nah. You know?


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[Assistant] Man, do you feel like it's opened up the door for like new opportunities for you now that like you just have like more name recognition and shit?


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[Assistant] I appreciate that. I think actually I might have found out about your shit on stream.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think somebody might have paid the 50 bucks or whatever for me to watch the video, young boy, and that's how I first got interested, like who is this dude? I remember you had that blue button-up polo shirt with all like the planets on it or some shit.


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[Assistant] Yo, exactly, right? I didn't even know what Gucci was when I got that shit on my neck.


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[Assistant] I've been listening to rap for like 10 years and I still haven't figured out what it was exactly. Yo, so what of your stuff out there do you think that people like, if people are watching this just because they're trying to figure out what happened with that one viral clip, I just want to hear your opinion like on what those people should go check out and what they should listen to from you because they might need some guidance.


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[Assistant] Yeah, what the fuck, you got a burner, you still selling dope or what? Just talk about it, it's all good.


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[Assistant] I used to, I definitely used to have some burner phones back in the day. I miss that era.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, yo, I mean, if anybody, that's why I brought up that soldier kid thing, cause he was falsely accused of some shit, and actually was able to like, use that energy to make something good. You're kind of a low-key genius. I wouldn't be surprised if you like, had like some advertising genius behind you that was like, this is what we're gonna do, we're gonna fake this scene, and blah blah blah, or was that all you?


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[Assistant] Yeah, facts. Yo, I appreciate you coming through and like, just sort of filling us in on everything. I think the people at home will probably really appreciate getting a little bit of a lesson, a little bit of an update.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know where the fuck you're from in St. Pete cause I've been there like on vacation with my family. We stopped through there. I think we were just on the beach or some shit.


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[Assistant] Let's do it. I mean, when I was out there, I was with Shoreline Mafia, and we were pretty much in the studio all night, every night for like fucking a week straight, but...


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[Assistant] No jumper. Exactly. I didn't think of it that way when I came up with it, but that's how it sort of played out.


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[Assistant] No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, Soundcloud, iTunes.


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[Assistant] And he was the first dude I, what I wanted to interview. I was like, I need you in here dawg. And uh, he, he, he's a, he's actually a, a black baker bro. It's almost like being a black, it's like being a black conservative. Uh huh. It's like being a log cabin, like being a log cabin Republican. He's the Candace Owens of football.


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[Assistant] Hey, hit us up. Yeah. Cavs is coming. The winner is coming. Cavs got the best record. You got a long winter. Browns are going to be out of here. What a perfect way. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] The Browns used to have one of the best advantages in all of football was the dog pound, right? Uh, but now they've stripped a lot of that stuff away from the dog pound. I was laughing and joking the other day. I was like, is there a thing called a dog pound anymore? Do we even signify what that is? Now they call it.


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[Assistant] Back in the day, you, you used to feel the energy and you used to actually be intimidated when you used to see the Cavs in four, uh, 16 go to, go play the Warriors. I'm like, man, it's loud. Those dagger threes, the roof is gum coming off the building in the first quarter. But I'm going to tell you this, they trained the Cavs fans.


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[Assistant] That they understand that there's no leaders too big. Uh, they can always come back.


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[Assistant] And they bring up a level of play and they understand that the players feed on that. And the great thing about it is,


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[Assistant] Donovan Mitchell, you know, when they would chant MVP, I'm like, yea, keep chanting that MVP because you guys have a lot to do and say with how many all-stars they get, how many, how much people want to come play here, and all of that, all of that matters and you can just do that by just doing your part.


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[Assistant] And they are like that all the time. And those guys, for lack of a better term, those guys are elitists.


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[Assistant] Kyrie and LeBron are never going to make you feel like, no, like, I'm here to do a job.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, and plus you saw them be cultivated. You saw them get put together. You added Donovan Mitchell. They look like they like each other.


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[Assistant] And they have a different piece or part. Like everyone plays different. Yeah. So there's not like before would be like, okay, well, how many shots Kyrie get? How many shots the Brian get? Like it was


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[Assistant] Wow, I just, I haven't heard that in a while, but how cringey is that when it says, whose, whose team is this? Right? Right. And we used to talk about that all the time. Whose team is this? Who gets your credit? Legacy type things. And people need to understand your legacy.


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[Assistant] It's something you can't put together in the, in the present. Like, you gotta be living to play games. Legacy stuff is for bulls kids to decide.


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[Assistant] I already know where you was at. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] And when you look at that team, you'll say, well who's the leaders?


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[Assistant] And it's the guys who had the ball, those two guys. Uhm, you know, Garland isn't like, you know, some slouch himself. No, not at all. And when you look at what Donovan Mitchell was able to do, and by the way, I disagree, McNuggets, I think, uh, I think they do get two All-Stars. And they might get three.


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[Assistant] I'ma tell you this, uh, if the Cavs got the number one or two record, which they have a shot at, getting one or two. They play Milwaukee tomorrow, right?


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[Assistant] You do? You want that recognition? Because here's the thing, I want those guys to have that feeling. To feel invulnerable. That feeling translates during the rest of the year. You come off that break, and if you playing bad, you can look around and be like, come on bro, we got three all-stars. We got two all-stars. Largely symbolic.


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[Assistant] Larry Bird want to come back? I do believe they need one more player. They need one more player if they're going to beat the Bucks. I think Giannis is just too much of a monster. I think they need some more three point shooting. If they continue to play defense the way they're playing, they'll beat a lot of teams.


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[Assistant] I'll bring, I'll bring, you know why I would, you know why I would bring him in? It's for the simple fact. I think sometimes,


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[Assistant] When we get freed up and football season is over, what's one guest that they want us to go after to get on the show? Non-football guests? Non-football, non-football, non-football, non-football.


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[Assistant] Say for instance, someone comes to you and says, a genie. The great genie, football genie, comes to you and says, listen,


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[Assistant] He comes up to you with a magic lamp. It's a genie scenario. And he says, you're nine and eight, if you win out, we'll give you a mulligan, we'll give you a wish. If you go nine and eight and you win out, you can either get into the playoffs,


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[Assistant] Yes, or I'm going to give you your first round pick. First round pick. I want your first round pick.


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[Assistant] What if he's a bust? There's a chance. With our defense of line and tackles, I don't even know if we could, but it would just be so, I don't, I'll ask you a question I don't even know.


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[Assistant] Back in the day, we weren't getting into that. I fancy myself a borderline skill player. I was like, you know, I actually, like, I went for playing tight end at 250.


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[Assistant] And then I went to, and then from my sophomore year to, I was 257, then I moved all the way up to like 263, and they was like, nah dawg. You can't be a- We're not gonna have you playing no tight end. You, it looks silly. And it made, it hurt my heart because that means I couldn't have no digit, no single digit. Yeah, yeah. Like I had to play guard, it was like- Uh huh.


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[Assistant] Oh no, way better. Well I did make Allstate in both of them. So one year ahead. Really? Yeaah. So yeaah, that's impressive. That's impressive. Now here's the thing. Very aggressive. Uh, you know, I will say that when you're playing in high school, they tell you, you gotta play both ways. How many guys were playing both ways?


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[Assistant] St. Ignatius, they would say they got 50 people in offense, 50 on defense. That's why what Coach Ging did, why people are marveling at it, because, think about it, he's got inner-city kids, like, and these guys are playing Hoban and guys that got multiple dudes that are going to D1 places just for that position.


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[Assistant] So, think about it, 20 years ago, and it's about almost 30 years ago now, we're playing Ignatius when they was Ignatius. Like, they was winning national championships. So,


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[Assistant] It was a huge thing when you won as a city school two championships in a row, cause that means...


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[Assistant] Even if you wanted to get to the championship, you always either had to be Ignatius.


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[Assistant] Or you had to be St. Ed's, and then when you got to the state championship game, you played St. Ed's or Moller, and there's another parochial school. So...


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, he's, uh, he's, he's out of the game. Yeaah. He, he, he. Good for him. I knew him since this, this was big, this high, but he's, he's settled down a lot. Uhm, our, our quarterback was Billy McDaniels and Josh McDaniels.


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[Assistant] Josh McDaniel's like the coach for the Broncos. That's something. The Raiders. The Raiders, yeaah. So the coaches at the time, and I always tell people, don't really, like people at the time did not really think that they were the best quarterbacks to play. But what happens is you go back and look at it and be like damn, it was okay.


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[Assistant] That was actually pretty good. Like, back then, you can't even audible with quarterbacks. Like, they had such a good grasp on the system. Like, Maurice Claret says, he brings up Tom McDaniels all the time. He was my coach. And this dude had a program where,


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[Assistant] It was like, it was mandatory. You, you, it wasn't no, you had to be in the playbook in the summer. Like, you're like, oh, we got practice. And this is before they said you had to like, you had to, you couldn't practice or have regular days. You'd be like, oh no, we got practice at 6 a.m. And you're like, why we got practice at 6 a.m. in July?


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[Assistant] Well, we got lucky. We had off that team.


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[Assistant] Nine people, ten people. We won the national championship in 97.


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[Assistant] And that never happens. It just don't happen like that. It's kinda hard. You get one guy that's good, now you like clap it up, you go 4-12.


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[Assistant] And none of the people you're dating afterwards are any like sort of wife materials. You just buy your time and you're doing on little dates. But what you really need to do is get you another quarterback. And to do that, you gotta tank. You gotta tank. And you just don't want to do it. Like, you know what?


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[Assistant] I'm just gonna be by myself and work on myself. I need to get a little smaller. I need to stack some money so I can attract a real woman.


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[Assistant] Since that game last week, magically, I just feel confident in the Browns winning games where they don't score that many points. Maybe it's because of Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] I'm watching chess prodigies, and so they talk about how when these prodigies are playing against the computer, right?


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[Assistant] Because the computer is so doggone good, they have this thing where they get mentally fatigued.


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[Assistant] It's not that the computer is that much better than those. It's the fact that you're a human. It doesn't get tired. That don't get tired and that can think under pressure. And I think some of these coordinators is just like that.


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[Assistant] You can't tell me that they don't know the game. Yes, they do. They know it. But what happens is they get mentally fatigued and they're in those offices coming up with game plans. They sleep deprived. They sleeping under chairs.


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[Assistant] Nah, I'm confused. And you need a dude like that. I don't know, I think they got guys, quality control guys.


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[Assistant] I'll give you the gap. I'll give you the gap. Uhm, I used to do these math competitions where it would be speed math, right? And so basically they teach you to speed read and speed math, right? And so you have to learn on certain principles.


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[Assistant] And, and get it to be like it's automatic and don't think you're like, okay, here's the shortcut. And that's what he did against the Raiders. Yes. Or, or you skim or you when you speed read, you're not really, you're not reading every word. You're just looking past those words to be able to


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[Assistant] You know, retain enough to say you re-read it. Context. Context. Now for Baker,


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[Assistant] And so, the processor is sitting there like, okay, how do you get back to your third foot, or third, your drop, or whatever you're going, three step, five step. You have to know and diagnose a blitz.


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[Assistant] You have to diagnose a coverage, you have to diagnose whether that receiver is gonna sit or move based on the coverage, and then you have to throw it. You gotta do that like in two seconds.


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[Assistant] Like, if you watch the Sean Watson, even if he played bad, right, or he hasn't played up to his level, the game on Saturday,


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[Assistant] There was no plays in which the ball was even threatened to be picked off. Like, it was just like, one, two, three, pooh. One, two, three here.


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[Assistant] Man, it's so, I don't understand it. Like, I just, I'd be in anguish. Like, how is it that these expansion teams- I know.


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[Assistant] It's just like- Four years later. And then the Rockies went to the World Series, I think a little bit, like, I think the Rockies- When did the Rockies go? The Rockies- Oh, they got slaughtered.


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[Assistant] That whole year they was trying to make it like Lindell White was an equal. So no, he was not. You could have gave me them carries and I'd have got like 400 for the year.


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[Assistant] And the Vikings. It was two games. Coaching matters. Coaching matters. Were you up 28 to 3?


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[Assistant] You supposed to have, and this is why I don't like when, when NFL teams take knees and don't play all the way through the fourth quarter. Don't, like, if another coach gonna get mad at you because your team is out here putting more points on them, so what? They get paid, they grow men, who cares?


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[Assistant] Because that conditions your team to say, I'm going to play as hard as I can to score as much as I can. So if you get up 28 to 3, guess what? We want another 28. Yeaah. And they, think about it, all you need is a, all you need is a couple points. Couple first downs. Couple first downs.


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[Assistant] You know, the best clothes and the different things. So usually what happens is...


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[Assistant] Why you been divorced? Yeah, I've been divorced because of that, for real. So it's like, I know has, it's like, yo, I can't get.


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[Assistant] You know what? It's rare that I feel bad for the- I don't feel bad for him. No, no. But, in that case- But the guy, Jacobi, who threw the pa- I felt really bad for him. Like he had- His eyes were red in the locker room. Like he really was feeling it. He knew- Belichick doing a terrible job. He knew he screwed up.


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[Assistant] Oh, really? So everybody flip your box to one. He said, gee, you're wearing a scarf and a beanie. Oh, you're hearing him then. No, I just haven't. Okay.


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[Assistant] I thought John Johnson played really well. He had a huge fourth down hit on that opening drive. Is that the best he's looked as a brown? I think so. I can't remember him looking any better. I mean, he filled the gap in, I forget the fullbacks name, the fourth of one play that they ran. He met him in the hole and stopped the play.


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[Assistant] Game changing play. I am concerned. Only one touchdown again from the offense. I agree. Deshaun had two plays where I thought, okay, that's Deshaun.


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[Assistant] And one was a pass and one was a run. And you can see it coming.


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[Assistant] And I don't care what the roulette wheel says, they're out of the playoff chase.


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[Assistant] So it's okay that it's taking a little bit of time.


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[Assistant] But you gotta score more than one touchdown. And eventually they gotta start getting sixes out of this. Uh, but overall, I don't know how you can complain. You know, give Joe Woods his credit, right? Like I don't think it's enough to save his job. But for one week, to hold that team to three points, I know they were without Lamar.


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[Assistant] I think he can, I'm not saying he's gonna be a star, but we've been screaming about the tackles all year. And I was talking to some guys locker room like, can he play? And they're like, yeah, you know, we don't want to go over the top because we have to see it. But yeah, there's something there to where I think he could help this team.


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[Assistant] As we talk about, they have to remake their defensive tackles. I think there's a spot for him, but he's gotta grow up and mature.


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[Assistant] I think that they try to be aggressive in week one, and you saw how that went. So now they pulled it out, and now we've seen a progression. And here's one small thing, but we don't see three, we don't see the extra offensive linemen.


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[Assistant] No, you're not. And also, another thing you got to keep in mind in all this is the protection. We've said the protection just isn't the same this year. And so I, you certainly don't want to expose him to an unnecessary risk. You're right. You're right. At this point, when, when we're all said it's all about next year, Jack, we've talked about it. Jack Honklin's probably not going to be back. I think Teller's still fighting the calf. He hasn't looked the same.


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[Assistant] And you know, Jed Wills, it is what it is over there. So they've got some decisions to make along the offensive line, but that can't come until the offseason. I'm not saying you can't do anything, but you have to be careful about how you protect them. I'm gonna throw a slider to you.


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[Assistant] Simple, but how do you score more touchdowns now if you're Deshaun? Because I said, it's hard for me to grade him an A when the offense is only scoring one touchdown a game.


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[Assistant] You know how Joe Woods saves his job? Or how if you're Kevin Stefanski how you justify it? This is the only way.


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[Assistant] Joe Woods tells them, I don't have NFL caliber defensive tackles. What do you expect from me?


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[Assistant] But the only thing I'll say in his defense, he doesn't have NFL.


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[Assistant] This entire staff could look different next year because I think offensively there's going to be changes. I think some guys can be cherry picked from other staff. Some guys may leave on their own accord.


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[Assistant] I just think both sides of this ball, how difficult is that for a head coach to, I think it's very realistic that there's going to be multiple openings on both sides of the ball. How difficult is that for a head coach to now revamp his entire staff? Or is that sort of status quo now in the NFL?


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[Assistant] There's going to be changes offensively as well. Well, there should be. No offensively. There's going to be. And I'm okay with that. I think there should be. He going to give a play caller? No, I don't think he's giving a play call, but I think, listen, they've done a great job offensively this year in terms of other coaches are going to look at these guys now and say, I want that guy on my staff. Well, I think you're going to see guys leaving this staff for promotions on other teams.


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[Assistant] On the offensive side, I mean, Drew Petsing, the quarterback's coach, I think is gone next year. I think he could take a job as a coordinator somewhere else. Let's wait and see what happens with Alex van Pelt. Alex van Pelt may get it. If I'm Alex van Pelt,


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[Assistant] I just, I don't. And that's what I like. We have spent so much time on the show talking about rebuilding the defensive side of the ball. I'm telling you right now, I think there's gonna be a lot of changes on the offensive side.


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[Assistant] I have one non-Browns for you. Could we have a moment of silence for Matt Ryan, poor Matt Ryan, who's now blown the biggest lead in Super Bowl history and in the regular season. Have you been in avalanches like that where


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[Assistant] You just can't get out. It's just coming down on you and you can't get out from under it. And what can you do as a quarterback to try and stem the tide when it's rolling like that against you?


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[Assistant] Last winter was a very odd sequence of events that a lot of franchise quarterbacks had the potential of becoming available. That's why the Baker thing became what it was. If Russ Wilson and Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson were not coming available?


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[Assistant] There was no better option. It was just a perfect storm of events that led to where we are today.


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[Assistant] If he shuts it down after the Texans game last year, right? No, no, no. Second game of the year. Who'd they play? Where he originally hurt the shoulder. It wasn't Houston. Cardinals was the re-injury. It was Houston. It was Houston. If he shuts it down after that, Baker's a quarterback today.


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[Assistant] Oh gosh. I think that they would probably be about the same, but I think their future is much brighter with Deshaun.


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[Assistant] And here's something I said last week that I absolutely believe.


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[Assistant] You get better at your job the longer you're in it. Andrew Berry was really young. He was the youngest GM of the league when he was put in this job. So you're gonna make mistakes. But if you go back and look at this last draft, it's still an incomplete to me, but Martin Emerson looks like a home run. Third round pick.


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[Assistant] I believe Alex Wright can play in this league. I think he's going to be a player for a long time. Another third round pick. I like him. David Bell's jury is still out obviously, he hasn't really contributed.


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[Assistant] I thought he'd make more of an impact over the second half of the season. Over the second half, over here the second half of the season. You don't expect much. I don't. It's a mixed bag, but there's a lot of mixed bags. He's a rookie and I'm still, I'm not going to call him a bus by any means. Jerome Ford, we'll find out next year what you have. Mike Woods has contributed as a six rounder.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wondered because, because Justin, I mean Justin Tucker never misses. Ever. And the fact that he missed left. Oh, one of his was blocked. Correct. But the one that he missed, it was at the same end that Cade just absolutely shanked it. And it's funny because


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[Assistant] Well, the only thing, here's the only defense I'm making him. The Vikings made the exact same decision on Daniel Carlson after like one bad game. I know. Kay York said more than one, but he's a rookie. Well, Carlson was in a bit of a...


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[Assistant] So now you answered the same questions over again and now you're doing it again. And by the end he was like, oh my god, I just want to get out of here. Right. And I was trying to walk out with him and he was in no mood. He was in no mood.


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[Assistant] And I just, like I said, I had the theory that maybe the field was soft. He's like, no, I didn't slip, my foot didn't slip.


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[Assistant] I just, I, I thought he slipped. I wondered if Justin had issues. It's totally no. It had nothing to do with him. I love that he didn't, that he made no excuse. No. And, and so you know what we're going to hear next August when he comes back?


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[Assistant] I'm guessing. Spent time with a sports psychologist this summer. He went back to his roots. He went back to LSU. He found an old coach in his swing coach in his history. He worked with him and got back to the basics. You're going to hear all of that in training camp next year.


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[Assistant] Kicking is the one thing in this game that they can't figure out.


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[Assistant] Because teams are constantly changing kickers, like that's the margins where you're always trying to find an edge on the margins. And yet these teams can't figure it out because they're constantly turning over the kickers every couple of years. And they just, they haven't been able to unlock it yet. And I feel like


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[Assistant] It's where they've devoted the least amount of resources to. Every quarterback has a quarterbacks coach. And they have their own private quarterbacks coach. Every receiver, there's a specific receivers coach.


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[Assistant] Special teams, here's just one special teams coach who's responsible for punt returns, kickoff returns, punts, kicks, field goals. What does, what does Mike Prefer truly know, and this isn't to bang on Mike, this is any special teams coach. I know what you're going to say though. How many of them actually know how to help


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[Assistant] And that's why I believe the Ravens devote more resources than any team to the kicking game. Is it any surprise?


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[Assistant] No, it was higher than that. It was higher than that. Here's the bigger point. We got two scores. Here's the macro point to make out of all this. This is why I have been adamant not to fire Kevin is because they haven't given up on him. They haven't quit. The jet skin that you're talking about was crippling. What'd they do four days later? They won. They came back and won.


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[Assistant] The, uh, the Dolphins game was awful. Coming off the bye week. Embarrassing no show. They lost the next one too.


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[Assistant] No, I just, I just, I mean Denzel Ward's a grown man with a massive contract. Why does he have to be motivated?


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[Assistant] I don't know if he wants back in the NFL. I have no idea what his mindset is.


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[Assistant] But if the Browns write a, if they double what he's making a Colorado, which probably ain't a whole lot, if they can't afford their head coach. Right. He would come. But I mean, he's not the only one out there. I'd love to get Brian Flores. I would love Brian Flores. I would take Flores in a heartbeat. Heartbeat. Yeah. Listen. He'd be great.


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[Assistant] Jesus. I think they're both on fumes. They vote for fumes. Brady on fumes. I'm with Brady.


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[Assistant] It's such a terrible rule. Like, explain to me how in football you can send a man in motion, give him a head start, full head of speed, and you can snap it, and that's okay, but if Terry McClory is six inches back or forward, that's, that's town.


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[Assistant] 15 yard penalty, I'm sorry. I think the fear is DB's will be even more aggressive pulling guys down when they get beat because it's only 15 and not a spot foul. There may be even less catches and more penalties. And the league wants more.


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[Assistant] I don't scare easily, uh, my staff has tried to scare me so many times, it never works. This is, I don't know how many years ago, you can tell it's quite a while ago, but, uh, my office is, uh, on another part of the lot, and I was walking here to rehearsal, and this is what they did to try to scare me.


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[Assistant] Uh, I wouldn't call that, well yea, we did have a party actually, yea, last night.


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[Assistant] You'll be scrolling through Instagram and like Utah or like Sacramento and it'll be a party fly with Nick Young and his shirts off on the fly.


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[Assistant] At some point, I mean obviously I still love to play, but when I'm done I will, you know.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of players might be afraid to come play for us. That backlash is a lot, you know. I don't know if God's ready for that.


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[Assistant] If you're looking for stuff that is not safe for work, girls will talk about you behind your back, so.


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[Assistant] I've had so many people order me and then people are like, oh you must be popular because you have your titty pics. I'm like, no.


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[Assistant] I'm so sorry to hear that, that's really rough. Are they gonna go through Poland?


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[Assistant] Yes, I know this person. They're literally insane. But it's okay. It's okay. I deal with crazy people all day.


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[Assistant] I've had worse, like, he basically likes to berate people, like myself, cause he really, really hates me but loves me. Uhm, he berates me and then he usually will tip me, so I'm just like, okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like really e-polls is just for like, gas money and...


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[Assistant] We have the turnpike doesn't have it. You be careful when you go into Maryland trick. You got to be careful, right? So they'll have on the car on the highway.


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[Assistant] How nice it is here, not without traffic.


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[Assistant] You gotta have all the gas. How many people here? You take things for granted here in Cleveland, right? How many times have you been caught in a car?


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[Assistant] Stop that! Who's been at the gas station? This is a Cleveland thing. This is a real Cleveland thing. Go to the gas station and start walking and say, give me three dollars.


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[Assistant] Go ahead. This is what I'm expecting. Here, I'm expecting the Browns to play competitive football tomorrow. I'm also expecting this. I'm expecting Watson to be better, right? Every, every, this, here, this is where I am.


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[Assistant] I'm out of this year. I'm gone. This is done. I'm looking for things for next year. What can I salvage here? And the salvage is here. The prep work.


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[Assistant] You have to get him back to a level. You paid him $230 million. Right? I was like, so he's got to play like a $230 million person, but there's steps and layers here.


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[Assistant] So I don't hear nothing about nobody else coming in the game. Nope. You're taking all the snaps. You're getting all this work because I'm, I'm playing for next August when we start here. When we come to camp in July here, you're going to be rolling.


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[Assistant] Here, you're not going home for the summer. Don't think you're going home.


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[Assistant] Sure. You're playing. This should be in Watson, right? Right. Because it used to be they would hold you. So then they came with the new CBA. They can't hold you. I think home is here. Now. We bought that massive. No, but you know, you got houses that way $230 million. You have houses everywhere, right? So, so you want him here. Yes.


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[Assistant] This is what I say. I say this, right? And I kind of, I kind of agree with bull. I can't really say what I have until he starts slinging that ball like he's supposed to. Right. That's true. Right. We will find that out the next four games.


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[Assistant] I'm going to get back to this. I will say this though. I'll say this.


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[Assistant] Uh, we need a lot of work, right? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] The top dog in the building is the highest paid player. You're the top dog in the building.


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[Assistant] No, you cannot be satisfied with this season. You cannot be like, okay, what if like, no.


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[Assistant] I like the attitude with like, I got some holes here. He has some juice here. We all got to get on the same page here. That's what we have to be.


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[Assistant] They're proving my point, right? Yeah. These are dudes that have no feel for the game, right? No feel for the game, right? Because yeah, I got it. We came into the thing with a game plan. We laid it down. It's what we're going to do. We worked on all week.


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[Assistant] Well, it changes on the fly. Well, guess what? When it says on the fly, you have to adapt and it changed to your benefit.


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[Assistant] Well, you're an idiot, right? Because here that's just like today's analysis. Here's your analogy, Jay. So we scheme for Jordan, right? Jordan out. We only got to worry about Brad. Brad sellers and Jordan.


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[Assistant] Oh, I got a nice night tonight. I don't have to work like that. It's like this is not going down. I said, but if you if your defensive coaches are talking like that.


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[Assistant] That's the apple doesn't fall apart from the tree. That's a defeatist mentality. What's the head dude saying?


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[Assistant] Here's a problem. Here's a problem for people like the fancy, right? You're in the heartbeat.


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[Assistant] Football country. Oh, yeaah. This is Ohio. Yeaah, you're not fooling anybody. They ain't fooling nobody here. They all know they know it from the time of Pee Wee League and high school football and college football. You're not going to fool us here. We know what needs to be done. Oh, we have an idea of what needs to be done and when you don't do certain things, you know, you're coming about the player, right?


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[Assistant] Some of it is on the player, right? That's what a coach usually calls out the player.


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[Assistant] Right to signify that you're not getting it done. Right, right. We got to be better. You have to be better, right? You're letting us down, right? It's not behind the doors. It is initially, but when you continue to do it. Oh, this dude right here.


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[Assistant] Hold on Leroy. I have to defend our honor here Leroy. I want you to get ready here now. I expect none less. Well, you know, I was talking to somebody in the gym last night about this. George only know what's about to hit them.


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[Assistant] I don't hear. I don't disagree with you. But the one thing that you're missing out on is the problem that you have encountered for yourself. You stuck that freaking flag in the ground come to see you.


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[Assistant] Alright, bring it up then. Stop playing with me. Browse, pull a shocker.


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[Assistant] I'm looking for Deshaun Watson to take a leap in this game. I swear it's coming. I can see flashes of it.


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[Assistant] So I'm going to see it right and he is a guy. He don't want to be no down and dumb quarterback down here does not get it done. I'm looking for a good performance tomorrow. I really am.


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[Assistant] Alright, so when we set up here and play traditional football, you're playing odd.


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[Assistant] It's like, it's like the silly basketball here. Everybody launching threes. That ain't traditional basketball. That's not how you win. It might be sexy and sell you some seats, but that's not how you win.


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[Assistant] You win football games by being in the trenches, doing the things that need to be done. You got to run the ball. You got to pass the ball to, but you got to run the ball. You have to, you have to commit to something. We don't commit to nothing.


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[Assistant] You don't know what you're gonna do. I have never in my life seen somebody come out on a fourth and one and throw something in the end zone.


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[Assistant] Great, but he's got a winning record. The silly thing we do here, right? To Jay's point here, right? So bring up analytics because every coach uses them. No, I'm bringing up this. Except for Jeff Saturday. How's he doing? I'm bringing up the simplistic right here. You're in these close games, right? At some point it should dawn on you.


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[Assistant] When you, when there's a lesson to be learned, you don't ever learn the lesson. He never learns the lesson.


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[Assistant] Wow. I am. I think we still got some bandwidth to grow, but I know this, right? When you've been, when you've been always, because he's always been a guy that's won and has success.


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[Assistant] Right, so I'm not talking about it here, but I'm saying this is a perception as an athlete. Sure.


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[Assistant] So this is where, this is where his makeup comes in. He's like I'm not staying down here. I don't want to be considered like that.


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[Assistant] So every week is going to get better. He's going to will himself every week is going to get better. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Everyone except the, uh, beating everybody except the number one team, South Carolina. So they got three. And that was, that was a game.


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[Assistant] Right, so, well, for a half. They're gonna make a run, won't they? Oh, they're gonna be alright.


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[Assistant] A good performance from Baker Mayfield. Let me just, only for this solo, we're playing for his life now. Right? He is, yeaah. We're playing for his life now.


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[Assistant] Again, I will say this. The one thing I did notice


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[Assistant] Well, no, I'm thinking about, you know, I was thinking about it because you said college basketball is two sides, right? Because I just, I was watching the dispute over the weekend. Uh, the men I would say do. Women, you come. Oh, no question. You come. Yeah, absolutely.


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[Assistant] Maryland took them down. I mean, they started talking about, you only beat us. I don't know why y'all were surprised. I mean, happy you won and we only have, we didn't have all our players. I like.


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[Assistant] I'm more so, you know, I'm closer to Notre Dame here, right? So, I see them more than I see the Bama folk, right? I'm down in the south like that, but you know, but I did see Saving Speech. I said, are you serious? Are you serious?


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[Assistant] When he was talking about basically like Vegas, we would put the ice on it. The ice will be on Bama's favorite. You know, we beat everybody. Everybody knows we're the favorite. Yeah, like no, you lost in the box, right? But a lot of the


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[Assistant] Nah, that's a couple of weeks. Couple of weeks. Don't worry about that. Don't worry. Oh, I will be locked in. Trust me. I do have my, I do have my eyes on those Buckeyes down there. They looking okay.


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[Assistant] Time is real quick real quick. We got a chance against Georgia.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the, and here's the thing, right? It's the Wild Wild West out here, right? I see why Michigan is saying Michigan doesn't participate in IL like that, right? Well, they're going to have to, but they're going to be forced to make a decision, but you would hope, you would hope that


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[Assistant] There's opportunity for student-athletes to be, uh, be, uh, remunerated, remunerated with, with, uh, the name, name and likeness out there in the public sphere, right? Right.


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[Assistant] There has to be some, I don't care, there has to be some caps on it so that it doesn't be wild. Why? Well, it's wild.


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[Assistant] Here's the counter that right when I'm out here busting it, right?


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[Assistant] And you couldn't play dead at a funeral. What are you bringing to the table? If you, if you couldn't play dead at a funeral, you're not getting a scholarship. It's almost like collective bar. How many people have you played with? They couldn't play dead at a funeral.


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[Assistant] But that requires leadership at the top. Yes. And the problem is some of them cast on some of them higher hierarchy 80s presidents. They not buying it.


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[Assistant] And I heard this from a couple of alums. They were like, are they serious?


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[Assistant] I think Ohio State has a better quarterback. I think they have the better skill players.


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[Assistant] And if you ain't, if you wasn't tough enough to deal with Michigan.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, I heard it. Uhm, look. Sometimes, you have to think about what you're gonna say.


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[Assistant] I understand what he was trying to say, right? But the problem is, is that if you're not a football guy, it sounds pretty damn ridiculous, right? And here's why. And Brad, you alluded to this. If you lose a good player,


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[Assistant] That should increase the other team's chances of winning. That's right. Not make it harder for them.


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[Assistant] Now, if those other two guys had caught a hundred and a hundred and thirty yards,


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[Assistant] Then you could come in as a man and come in and say, we wouldn't let Nick Chubb beat us. I mean, we wouldn't let Jamar Chase beat us.


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[Assistant] You see what I'm saying? Sure. So, so, Jamar Chase is a big, Jamar Chase is a big play guy. If he hasn't really had, he really didn't have a lot of just huge plays.