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[Assistant] No, we're say, we're asking a question. If the Bengals lose week one, are you going to pull up and try to defend why they lost? Because we already talked about we coming in Monday laughing at you.


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[Assistant] Oh, yeaah for sure. But uhm, we grew up together. Nice.


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[Assistant] They never wanted us to be no rappers, like, they knew we had like an influence though, like, on the other kids though.


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[Assistant] I bet, I bet Billy, when I moved my momma, when I was going to school, like around middle school.


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[Assistant] So like, Mel, you just always doing crazy shit, and I just fuck with him.


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[Assistant] It was really like everybody just, we were just doing some shit.


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[Assistant] I mean, we had a fam, like, people fuck with us, so like, they used to like, tell us to come to like, little parties and shit, so we used to pop out and shit.


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[Assistant] Kinda. Isn't that, yeaah, something like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, nah, me, me, and Treck and his mom, we was like, for him to get that buzz and shit, we was like, you know what I'm saying, help him in doing shit, you feel me?


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[Assistant] When, you saying when he first started getting his buzz? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] You mean like, when he first got like the, when he be like-


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[Assistant] I had that shit for so long, that first night y'all did that shit, he sent that shit to my phone.


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[Assistant] No, we just, I just kept my distance from everyone. I just worry about me.


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[Assistant] Nobody knows what's going on, you know what I'm saying? So when you tap in back home, nobody knows or I can't, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] Nah, it ain't that, it's just, I don't know, I feel like it just brings a lot of attention at some time. Some unwanted attention, you feel me?


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[Assistant] So I didn't want to do that, like, not at the time because I was dealing with shit. I had just lost my mom and shit.


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[Assistant] Just like, people like, certain people just tell me like, bro, you need to rap. I used to tell everybody like, nah bro, I ain't trying to rap. Like, I ain't trying to do that shit. They like, nah bro, you need to rap, bro.


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[Assistant] You need to do this shit. Like, they like, you just as good as Melly bro, you need to do this shit. I'm like, nah bro, I let Melly do that.


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[Assistant] Like, that's just me as a person, period. Like, anything I'ma do, I'ma take it serious.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah for sure. I just dropped the tape, but like as far as me putting like an album out, like me doing an album, I'm just working right now, like building. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] That's crazy, that's just how it is though.


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[Assistant] Ayy, but guess what? My cousin, she be on tour recording. She is?


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[Assistant] Yeah. She? Yeah, she, she's a girl. Doing what? And she just be with him. So he's a part of Snapper Gang.


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[Assistant] I like all type of music. Damn, I need water. You need water. Do we have waters?


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[Assistant] Just keep the mouth shut but still. A lot of bitches done got took to the bathroom.


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[Assistant] Oh, for sure. They were fucking you, huh? Yeah, yeah. For sure. Cause not a lot of people be seeing me cause I don't really go a lot of places.


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[Assistant] So, that could be too many of us left.


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[Assistant] So, this shit hard, too hard. That's the only thing I'm listening to right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. I fuck with it. Hey, I fuck with LA music. I'm not even gonna lie.


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[Assistant] See, when I was younger, I drank a lot of Hennessy. I ain't gonna lie.


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[Assistant] I did, I started smoking weed when I was eight years old. Eight? Yeah.


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[Assistant] For sure. I just told the people at the airport I was 17.


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[Assistant] Listen, I tried that shit one time. I was flying, I was in LA, I was flying back to Atlanta. I said, damn man, ain't got no ID. Try to tell the bitch, got no ID man. Listen, work something out with me, I'll show you. Know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] She was like, okay, we gonna do this, whoop, whoop, whoop. She called some bitch ass nigga, and they took a hundred fucking, fucking, like, so fucking long, I got so fucking aggravated, I wanted to stop the shit out of them.


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[Assistant] Nah, but see, I came two hours early. Because I knew they was going to do all this bullshit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I think that girl knew, she knew who I was and, cause she kinda looked at me and then, like the last time I told somebody I was 17, that just let me through. When I looked at her, and I told her I was 17, she was like, what's your name? I was like,


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying, like, girls from around the way. Even if they grow up to be something, they from around the way though.


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[Assistant] I don't know, they probably do some shit, but not some shit I heard about.


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[Assistant] I stay in Atlanta, but you talking about when I go to the hood, when I go to my hood.


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[Assistant] All is good, all is good man. Really good. Do you mind if we listen to something? Oh, oh, I am so sorry. Uh, I gotta take this call. Sure, no, no, no worries. Sorry. Yo.


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[Assistant] Oh, yeah, okay, uhm, we're like two minutes away. Making a pick up? Yeah, yeah, that's alright.


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[Assistant] It's nice to be able to finally tell somebody. We've kept this a secret now for almost seven, eight months. This is basically our first performance back. We gotta dust off the cobwebs, here we go.


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[Assistant] Look at these hungry animals. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. It's six in the morning.


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[Assistant] Steve Bannon worked at the junkyard when he was coming home from college and his mom would spray him outside before he could come in, you know, with the hose.


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[Assistant] People were revoking their endorsements. Republicans were all coming out against Trump. And we know now internally, Reince Priebus was urging Trump to consider getting out of the race.


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[Assistant] The narrative of Bannon being the hand that's in the puppet you know, is not necessarily a good one for Bannon.


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[Assistant] His belief in the beast was so real. It was, it was very real. The whole idea of the beast, I mean...


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[Assistant] People jumping out of the World Trade Center and falling to their death.


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[Assistant] Free Spirit, he was very happy to discuss the ideas of Giordano Bruno, Chinese philosophy, and Plato. He had his own room, but there were so many books on the bed he couldn't sleep in it.


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[Assistant] The line about carnage in America? I think that was Steve.


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[Assistant] You know, like every now and then I hear things like, oh that's, okay, that's Steve.


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[Assistant] Rutgers! How was Jersey, real quick? Phenomenal. We had a great time. Too quick. Long way to go for three days, but it was great.


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[Assistant] Terrifying. And my first thought went to LeBron as the dad. Like I just can't imagine being the dad of a 21 year old and a 13 year old boy, athletes, and 11 year old daughter. I can't imagine.


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[Assistant] When you are a physical specimen like he is and the family genes and everything else, the last thing you're worried about is your son going into cardiac arrest at 18 years old.


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[Assistant] Horrifying. My heart breaks for the family. Hope for a full recovery. Basketball and all that obviously becomes secondary. Uh, but just well wishes for a speedy recovery for Bronnie and, you know, my thoughts go out to the entire family.


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[Assistant] I mean, when these guys are superstars, and we look at them differently, they're still human beings, and he's still a dad, and Savannah's still a mom, and Bryce and Zuri are still brothers and sisters, and that is just as traumatic for them as it is for any other family. It's heartbreaking. So, really hope Ronnie, uh, pulls through this, and he's out of ICU. He's stable now, so hopefully, uh, it's all good things ahead, but just a really scary incident.


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[Assistant] No, 32 probably feels about right. I mean, figure 11 and 11 is 22.


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[Assistant] Kicker punter, 24-25. So yeaah, okay coaches, so you're getting down into the backup area here.


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[Assistant] So 32 is probably right. I don't have high expectations at all for him this year. I hope he surprises, but just given this team's recent history of mid-round receiver picks, I don't know how you could go into the year thinking Tillman's going to have a big year. David Bell, Anthony Schwartz, we could go on. It doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be just like them.


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[Assistant] But I'm just trying to be realistic in expectations. I do think there's a spot for him in this offense. I've talked about that. Red zone targets you mentioned. Some of them go high point the ball. DPJ has done that at times. I think there's room for improvement though. He's missed a couple that I thought he should have had and maybe Tillman can be that.


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[Assistant] Uh, even, even though Hyatt went earlier. And so we'll see. Uh, there's always room at receiver. I think we've seen that. Injuries, attrition throughout the NFL, hamstring strains, whatever. Guys are gonna go down. Tillman's gonna get his opportunity and hopefully he can deliver.


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[Assistant] I mean 30 catches is what a catch and a half ish a game. How many yards?


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[Assistant] This is insane. I like Jalen Brown a lot. A lot.


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[Assistant] 300 million for Jalen Brown is bonkers. But this is where contracts, like we talked about it a couple weeks ago in free agency, this is where contracts are going. Wait a couple years, like they're all gonna look like this, but this feels totally insane.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to think where Golden State is. I think when they, when they moved, uh, they got under it. So I'm curious to see, like Boston may be the first team to pay the second apron. I don't see how they get out of it now at this point.


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[Assistant] I mean, I didn't like that trade. We talked about that. I thought they were better off with market smart. That may be the minority opinion. I know Mikey was saying, you know, he slipped defensively, but they have an abundance of the most important position, which is wings. You've got to have wings. It's what the calves have gone up against for a number of years, not having wings. Boston has them in spades. The thunder has.


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[Assistant] That's how they played, that's what the Nets do now with just wings, wings, wings.


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[Assistant] So I think they have the right formula, but you're right. Like it hasn't translated. That's why it's so hard to win in the NBA. I talked about this before. The Thunder drafted three MVPs and didn't win a championship. Three MVPs on the same team. One final, no championships. That's how hard it is to win in the NBA. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] No, nothing they said surprised me, but I might surprise you by saying I disagree with Tim. I do too. And, I, I, I don't trade them now. Now!


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[Assistant] Where Tim's bringing this from, like I had, I've had, I had a pretty prominent NBA agent.


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[Assistant] After the season, say the exact same thing. Trey Donovan now.


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[Assistant] But, if you trade them now, you're admitting a mistake. You're admitting that you made a mistake in trading from the first place, and I don't think you're at that point yet.


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[Assistant] The point, the part that keeps getting missed in what I wrote and what I've said a million times is this is a really, really, really big year for the Cavs. They're not out of time. It's not too late.


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[Assistant] Everyone has taken what I wrote, what I'm saying as like Donovan is leaving and he's gone. Now, I tend to think that's probably how it's gonna end, but there's still time to turn this. You have this season. I've said it a hundred times. This is a massively important season for the Cavs in terms of the Donovan conversation and his future.


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[Assistant] You have the opportunity. I would put Boston and Milwaukee ahead of them, and that's it in the East. I said the same thing last year, and Philly wound up being better than the Cavs. But Boston and Milwaukee are ahead of them. After that, it's pretty open in the East.


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[Assistant] So there's no reason that Evan Mobley can't take a leap next year and demonstrate growth. There's no reason that this team can't continue to grow. It's a young team with a high ceiling. I disagree on the fact that they're more likely to lose two rounds, losing the first, they're more likely to lose the first round than win two. I disagree with that. I don't know why we would cap that right now.


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[Assistant] They had, they were the most efficient shooting team probably of all the top teams. They addressed that. They've got shooting now.


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[Assistant] They've addressed their biggest need of the three with Max Drews. He's not a superstar. They don't need him to be a superstar.


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[Assistant] Yang in the corner, like that's exactly what they needed, a corner shooter. So let's let this play out. Let's give this this year and see how it goes. It may ultimately come down to that's exactly how this goes and they're going to have to trade them next year. I think it's rash to do it now. Uhm, you know, we talked about it before, but,


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[Assistant] The timing may not have been perfect on Donovan, like I would rather them add him to this team now.


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[Assistant] Right? And, and that, that was the big name that was available this summer, was Bradley Beal. I'd rather have Donovan Mitchell. And, yeaah, like they've, they've mortgaged their future to get him. And they're gonna have a lot of hard conversations if this year doesn't go right.


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[Assistant] But we still have this season and there's a lot at stake for this season. But there's plenty of time here. If this team reaches the conference finals, if the arrow is pointing up, you very likely may be able to have a conversation with Donovan at that point and extend him at that point where he's all in for another couple of years.


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[Assistant] But there's just a lot right on this year. That's the only point I tried to make in this whole thing. You may get to the point after this season that you have to trade Donovan. I think that's probably how it's going to go. But there's still a lot of time to change that.


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[Assistant] The only thing I disagree with you on is I think you're gonna see these trades happen more and more and more and more and more and more.


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[Assistant] But here's why, because I think you're, and, and, like,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna get, people are gonna be furious when I say this, but even if Donovan signs the extension, the conversation still doesn't go away. Because of what you just said about Dane, like he signs it and then they, Donovan signed in Utah, they traded him a year later. So the norm now is like, I think we talked about this.


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[Assistant] So I think we talked about this on the show about the cap space thing. Cap space isn't worth what it once was in the NBA. The new way to do this is these guys stay in their cities because there's so much money there and it makes so much financial sense for them to sign with their existing team. So they're going to sign that extension and then you trade them a year later.


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[Assistant] These types, because we've seen it. We've seen the Cavs send, give Utah the control of their draft for five years in a row. We've seen Houston, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, who else? The Nets, I mean, with Phoenix. The Nets, with Phoenix, yeaah, Phoenix.


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[Assistant] I'll be curious to see, I mean, it's just gonna be another landmine. Yeah. So like, when you're talking 2nd April, I know we're kind of getting in the weeds a little bit on CBA for people who don't file the NBA closely, but like, Joe Lakeham can pay any tax that's out there.


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[Assistant] Dan Gilbert can pay any taxes out there. Jimmy Haslam and the Bucks can pay any taxes out there.


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[Assistant] So there are, uh, Steve Ballmer. So there is a few teams that I think will, but right now, that's why I said earlier, I'm curious to see who's going to pay the second tax, but.


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[Assistant] I would put the Celtics owners in that group too. They could pay the second tax.


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[Assistant] It's just a matter of, like, getting their bearings, I think, is where I'm going with this, and...


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's been a crummy year all the way around. Like, it's been a bad year. And, uh, Zach Meisel and I actually just penned a piece that might be up now on the athletics, should be going up this morning.


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[Assistant] And one of the questions was like, what do you do if you're, if you're Chris Antonetti, what do you do at the deadline? I don't know. Like their inability to swing this prospects for proven starter, proven hitter trade.


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[Assistant] Is really what's kind of plagued this organization for a couple years. It's forced them to make


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[Assistant] 40 man roster decisions and as a result of that they've had to give up on guys like Nolan Jones and Will Benson who are thriving this year. And it all stems back to the inability to make a trade.


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[Assistant] You can't trade Shane Bieber now. Uh, McKenzie's obviously out. I don't know if he's going to pick up a ball again before 2025.


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[Assistant] I don't know what Aaron's, trading Aaron Savalli, what does that really accomplish? You know, the more I thought about it, and, you know, I think that there is some questions about his durability, and I'm sure that's frustrating for the organization.


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[Assistant] I think you're better off bringing them back. We've already seen this year that Quantrill's been a disaster and injured. McKenzie, Bieber, there's always a need for starting pitching. I think this is probably just the stand pad at the deadline type thing.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I don't, they haven't been able to pull off a trade to this point. Obviously you're not buying a rental right now. If you're buying someone, if you're making a buyer's trade, you're buying someone with multiple years of control. Those guys come with a higher price, but you know, you want someone with at least two years left.


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[Assistant] If not three, you know, maybe someone who's in their first year of arbitration, then it's hard to pry those guys loose.


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[Assistant] So they're really in a tough spot. It's really just been a crummy miserable year all the way around. It's frustrating.


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[Assistant] Given the high expectations of last year, they probably, guys, probably


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[Assistant] Overperformed a little bit last year. They had a lot of things go their way. They won a lot of one run, two run games that they've lost this year and the pendulum has just sort of swung the other way. I don't know really that there's going to be, there's a reason to do that much activity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they trade Savali.


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[Assistant] Well, the bullpen's been a disaster, too. I mean, Klossay's been okay. His numbers are great, but, you know, if you watch him pitch every day, he hasn't been the same guy. And who do you trust outside of Klossay in coming out of the bullpen? Like, you know, maybe it's time to bring Karinczyk back and, you know, I get it.


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[Assistant] But he hasn't walked, I think he's walked two guys in the month of July in Columbus. So it might be time to give him another look, but there's just, there's just too many holes in the dam and, and you know, Fran Mill Bell is hitting better. I have to give him credit. I was looking at some of the numbers yesterday and he is better than I thought he was. I still.


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[Assistant] I was so frustrated with how he has gone. Naylor has been terrific, uh, Kwon has been better, so the offense might be figuring itself out. It's by no means, you know, murderers row, but it's, it, some guys are finally starting to round into form a little bit, but the, the injuries to the rotation have just been so devastating.


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[Assistant] You know, I think we'll probably have clarity on Mackenzie sooner than later. Uhm, I thought actually we'd have it by now and hopefully within the next week or two.


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[Assistant] You know, we're getting to the point of he's going to have to make a decision here because if he does have to have Tommy John, then obviously you don't want it to impact the start of 2025. So I would think in the next couple of weeks here, you're going to hear some news one way or the other, maybe probably hopefully within the next two weeks on the McKenzie decision. But if McKenzie has surgery.


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[Assistant] What's your rotation for next year look like? You know, if, if Bieber's not here, they're probably going to trade Shane this winter.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're counting on Gavin Williams, Bybee, Logan, Allen to maybe hold the top three spots. You know, Quantrill, is it Savalli? Is it Zevion Curry? Like, who's?


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[Assistant] I don't know, like suddenly you have a rotation for next year. There are a lot of questions.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you went there because I was thinking earlier in our conversation, like we talk about


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[Assistant] The clock holding over the calves and what an important year this is for Donovan. We talk about the clock with the Browns and what a huge year this is not only for them and for Kevin but the Miles discussion, the Nick Chubb discussion, like this whole thing could unravel if this thing goes sideways.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't feel the Guardians are in that same category. Because, I mean listen, you never want to have a wasted year. Ever. In any sport. It's never a good thing.


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[Assistant] But the urgency doesn't there. I mean, Jose, I wouldn't say this is a terrible year for Jose. I would say that


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[Assistant] He's there, he's in the three hole to drive and runs and the guys hitting one and two haven't done their jobs. He hasn't had a lot of opportunities. He still leads the team in war by quite a bit. He's still over a one win higher than anybody else on the team in war. He's still terrific defensively at third.


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[Assistant] I hear what you're saying about Agewise, but I don't think we're at that point where he's going to fall off a cliff. So if there is a team in town that can afford to have a punt season, it is the Guardians as opposed to the other two teams.


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[Assistant] Doesn't take away from the frustration at all. It's still incredibly aggravating to go through.


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[Assistant] But I don't get, it's not like Frankie a couple years ago going in the last year with contract and what are you gonna do? Like that sense of urgency of we're gonna, we're on the verge of losing one of our best players.


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[Assistant] It's just, it is what it is. They've got to figure this out though. They've got to figure out the 40 man. They've got to find a way to make a trade. They've got to find a way to unclog some of these spots. Because again, that roster jam is what I think has cost them Nolan Jones and Will Benson and some of these other guys. Because they just don't have room to keep everybody.


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[Assistant] And I've had, and I've had conversations with them in the past about like, with the organization about you guys nail everything. How do you do this? Like you always get it right.


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[Assistant] And the people in the organization will tell you, hey, we don't have anything. We don't have it all figured out. Like, pump the brakes on that. We make mistakes too. We still get things wrong.


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[Assistant] But it just feels like they hit so often when they do make mistakes. It's like, wow, how did you miss? You don't miss anything. How did you miss that? They are human, they are infallible, and they have made mistakes this year. And it's just, it doesn't happen very often, but when it does, it's glaring.


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[Assistant] But I would also say in their defense, like everyone was screaming for Bo Naylor. Bo Naylor is sitting under 200.


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[Assistant] Like, there's a reason, I think you're seeing why he was in the minors as long as he was. And I understand like-


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[Assistant] Yes, yes, but at the, at the time, you know, they're trying to win a division and I think you're trying to give Zenino every opportunity. I'm just saying, like,


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[Assistant] It hasn't, it's not like Naylor's come up here and set the world on fire. Where if he was up here hitting 350, I think you can scream, why did you leave him in the minors this long? He's hitting, I think like a buck 90. So like, he's showing you why he was in the minors as long as he was, because he's not a finished product. And hopefully he gets there at some point.


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[Assistant] Today is what, the 25th? You're gonna know in a week. Because if Amad Rosario gets moved for a single-A prospect or for a reliever or whatever, and you free up shortstop, now you can play Arias every day or Rokio or Tyler Freeman, maybe move Jimenez to short and play Freeman.


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[Assistant] You know, if they do move Savalli, you know, I don't know who you're going to bring up beyond him. You know, Joey Cantillo I don't think is quite ready yet, but he's another name to keep in mind. But I would like to see them move off Rosario sort of to your point.


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[Assistant] Open that spot up, because if you don't figure this out now, it's gonna bleed into next year. And you've gotta start getting answers, particularly at shortstop. You'd like to know Oscar Gonzalez, is he a yes or a no? You wanna get a look at George Valera, is he a yes or a no?


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[Assistant] Because you have hard decisions to make. I would like to see Quan be the center fielder next year. And you come up with two corner bats, whether by trade, free agency, whatever.


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[Assistant] You've got to have two guys who can hit the ball out of the ballpark playing right field and left field next year.


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[Assistant] He was a guy that they protected over Oscar. So that kind of tells you he was an A-ball and they protected him over Oscar Gonzalez a couple years ago when they really were in that pinch. Uh, so that would be the name that I would watch before DeLotter.


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[Assistant] I mean, he could be in AA by the end of the year, start next year in AA. Not a guy you can count on heading into the season. Not in April. You're not going to count on him in April.


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[Assistant] It's better or worse than a hot dog. Health-wise and taste-wise, because it kinda sounds like a hot dog. Okay.


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[Assistant] I've been known, like I'm the guy in town who carries Kevin's water apparently. Like I'm a huge Stefanski believer. I think he's great. Having said that,


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[Assistant] I look at the schedule and think, oh god, this is setting up for a bi-week firing. Because you've got four really hard games in an early bi-week. And you've got, well, I mean, uh, uh, I just had it here. Three division games, they're home against Cincinnati at Pittsburgh, home to Tennessee, home to Baltimore, and then the bi-week. So at what point, am I right or am I crazy that like,


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[Assistant] Because if you're gonna salvage the season, if this goes off the rails early,


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[Assistant] My life will never be the same now that I know what Scrapple is.


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[Assistant] You said it's like Taylor ham and cheese, I think, or something like that.


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[Assistant] And they will get me a third time. I was joking with you guys before the show.


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[Assistant] There's our, our one piece of Jimmy walking through the owner's meetings. Let's, let's all stare and admire Jimmy walking through the owner's meetings last year in Florida. Uh, you know, it was funny because coming out of Baker's last season in Cleveland, I thought there is no way they can bring, they can run this back with Baker. They have got to upgrade the position. I don't know what they're gonna do.


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[Assistant] They can't do this again. Like, Baker broke the locker room. This can't happen.


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[Assistant] And I was talking to people at the Browns and was convinced by the end of the combine, Oh my God, they're really going to do this. They're really going to run it back with Baker. I believe them. And then two weeks later, they traded her to Sean Watson. I thought, God, you got me. You're never going to get me again. And I went in the stadium deal thinking,


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[Assistant] They can't rehab this thing. They're gonna build a new stadium. You have to build a new stadium. It's the only like logical solution here to this whole thing.


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[Assistant] And then we go to the owner's meetings in Arizona this year. And I sit with Jimmy and DME and a number of other reporters.


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[Assistant] And I walk away writing the story going, they got me with Baker. I wonder if they're getting me again because I tend to believe that they actually really truly want to try and figure out how to renovate this thing. And they got me again because they're not going to renovate. They're going to go build a new stadium.


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[Assistant] Which is what I've been saying for four or five years, go down to 480 and 77, build whatever you want. You can build a palace down there, mixed use retail and shopping and, and apartment, living, condos, whatever thing else, and just print the money that rolls in on it.


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[Assistant] And I don't have the exact quote. Earl, you got the quote of


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[Assistant] Of what he said, of what they said about the stadium thing, about how...


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[Assistant] They want to keep it there, but they are assuring, like I don't have the exact quote. Let me get that for you.


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[Assistant] So they, they basically, Jimmy basically said, what we alluded to earlier, they're gonna try and renovate it, but one thing's for certain, they're not leaving Cleveland. It really felt like, uh, you know, look over here, but over here is really what we're trying to do, and I just think it makes too much sense. I don't mind, and this is where Mike and I disagree,


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[Assistant] I think you'll hear him say he wants the stadium to be downtown. He thinks it has to have that vibrant feel of keeping it downtown. I agree with that for football and basketball. I'm sorry for baseball and basketball, but for football, it's eight days a year.


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[Assistant] You know, two home games or two preseason games maybe, maybe that's going to even get cut down and go away. It's only a handful of dates. It doesn't really matter to me if it's, if it's downtown or if it's somewhere else. I just think for what the, the tax breaks that they can get and everything else that cities can give them, I just think it makes more sense.


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[Assistant] That place where they're at, that plot of land where they're at is awful. The stadium is awful. Everything about it is awful. I think it makes much more sense to be in the suburbs where there's more space and you can build exactly what you want.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the energy last year, I think the Browns had a home game, the Guardians had a playoff game on the same day. That was, that was fun. That was cool. Yeah, it was great. But this, here's where it gets kind of complicated. I mean, we've been talking about renovating the lakefront for 50 years in the city, 60 years and nothing happened.


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[Assistant] Like, we talk about, I mean, Jimmy and Dee have been disastrous as owners. They've been disastrous. It's been 10 years of failure.


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[Assistant] Now they can make a tremendous impact.


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[Assistant] If they do figure this out and connect the waterfront to downtown. If they figure out how to do that.


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[Assistant] It would absolve them a lot of their failures as owners. But here's where, like, it kinda gets complicated.


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[Assistant] If they pull out and they go somewhere else, what is their incentive then to continue like this lakefront redevelopment project? None.


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[Assistant] So there's, there's where this becomes bigger than football.


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[Assistant] And this is where leverage and politics come into play of give us what we want in terms of finances and we'll stay there but don't give us exactly what we want and we're going to leave. And now you're going to be stuck with a lakefront that is going to be undeveloped as it has been for the last 50, 60 years.


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[Assistant] Who hate the location and hate the structure of Brown Stadium because they said you have these beautiful architectural pieces of the rock hall, of the science center and they're just, it could be this beautiful looking thing and then you've got this mausoleum that sits vacant 350 days a year that makes everything else look like Tinker toys.


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[Assistant] So this is, I mean, we don't even have enough time. We could do weeks worth of show on this. I'm just saying, politics always plays into this. Leverage always plays into this.


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[Assistant] And the Hasims have talked about trying to be the driving force behind redeveloping the lakefront. If they pull out, all that goes away. It's going to be interesting to see how this goes.


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[Assistant] GMs of teams in this city tell me that we need, like Sherwin Williams moving the headquarters here was huge. We need more of that. We need more business.


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[Assistant] To come here, to really, if we're really gonna talk about turning the city financially, if we're really gonna talk about turning


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[Assistant] Uh, Jimmy joked with me at the owner's meetings. He wasn't moving pilots headquarters from Nashville, but you know, maybe there's more opportunity for them. The more business that you can bring to Cleveland, the more you can start having some of these other companies.


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[Assistant] Desperately want this to work. They feel like they finally got it right.


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[Assistant] Like they finally got a head coach, a GM, a Paul D. Podesta, who all see it the same way.


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[Assistant] And that's never happened before in 10 years of ownership. They've always had this guy pulling this way and this guy pulling this way. And for the first time, everybody's pulling on the rope in the same direction. They desperately want this to work.


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[Assistant] They, they, they, they don't want to keep firing people. I've said it before. They gave Hugh Jackson an extension after 1 and 15, or is it after the winless? They gave Hugh an extension. That's great.


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[Assistant] But, having said that, of course there is pressure on this year to get it right. Of course. We've talked about, like,


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[Assistant] Listen, you don't want to talk about the collateral damage. You don't want to think about miles and, and it could be Nick Chubb going away for other reasons if this doesn't work.


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[Assistant] There is so much at stake this year and the Browns feel it because some of the little nuanced stuff that they've done behind the scenes that fans don't see. The way that they've sort of opened up a little bit more to the media and the way that they've let the media in this off season. They've let them in a little bit more on the process and they're thinking behind things. Both front office and coaching staff. This whole trip to Greenbrier this week.


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[Assistant] Is, uh, it's basically day camping. Let's all get along and kumbaya shit and all that, like trying to get these guys.


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[Assistant] Fight together and be a team because of what is at stake. They all know it.


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[Assistant] Yes, this is a make or break year. I just got done tell, I still don't think, I still think it could be a bi-week firing because there's so much pressure on this team. If you wait until week eight or week nine, the season's over. What are you saving? If you do it early, you still have a chance later on. That's why I think


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[Assistant] God, I hope, I hope I'm wrong, but this is setting up like a bi-week firing with all these division games early because there's enough of a season to salvage if it's not going well.


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[Assistant] What else do you need to know? I mean, that's bad. If you're, if you get to the vine, your only win is over the Titans, which by the way is no gimme. No, that is not a gimme on the schedule. No, no. I mean, I just look at that and go, man, this is setting up to be really, really bad. And I hope I'm wrong. I hope they're


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[Assistant] I hope they're 5 and, 4 and 0 at the bye. I hope they're 3 and 1. And, and we don't have to have this conversation because they, Haslips truly don't, they want this to work. They feel like they finally got it right. Everybody in the organization looks at it the same way, sees it the same way. Doesn't mean they always agree on everything, but you don't have the GM throwing guys out of,


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[Assistant] And, and, and like, I keep pointing out, and I've had people in the organization tell me it's, it, that doesn't matter anymore, but Kevin was here first.


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[Assistant] So that tells me the priority was on the head coach. But yeaah, I mean if they're 2 and 6 or whatever, the coach is probably getting fired and then maybe the GM decision is made after the season. I don't know what firing the GM does in the middle of the season. I don't know what good that is going to do. So maybe they're not, maybe


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[Assistant] It's not a long gap between when one goes and the other goes, but yeaah, there's a scenario where one stays and one goes.


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[Assistant] I think, I think if, if it doesn't work here, I think Kevin will get another opportunity sooner than later, like very quickly. And I think he'll be one way or another, he's going to be a good head coach in this league. And we've talked, Jay's talked about it. He's a good seed and bad soil. And that very well could be just the explanation behind it. I hope it doesn't get to that. I hope we, this is the end of those conversations, but it's the reality where they're at.


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[Assistant] I disagree, he is the leader because who else is it? Who else is it?


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[Assistant] It's him. It's not Miles. It ain't Amari Cooper. It ain't Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] It's Deshawn. It's not a lineman. It ain't Petonio. It's it's Deshawn because there's nobody else.


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[Assistant] Yes, I think that they've already bought it and they loved this guy last year.


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[Assistant] Like when he wasn't playing, these dudes loved him. Like they took to him, I was saying earlier in the show, Baker broke the locker room and these guys swarmed to Deshaun. Like it was almost uncomfortable with everything else that was going on, the way that they just sucked to him and magnetized to him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they, they, they really took to him right away. He is, he is the unquestioned leader of this team. I tend to think he, if they go, if they go the captain route of naming one guy and a lot of times they do the rotating captain thing, I tend to think they'll continue to do that because it's a little early given everything else. Like it, there's going to be some,


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[Assistant] It'll be, it'll be a thing if they make him a captain right away.


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[Assistant] But, uh, he is, whether he's got a C on his jersey or not, he is the leader of that franchise. You can love it, you can hate it. He is the leader of that franchise.


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[Assistant] And real quick, Jim Harbaugh suspended four games.


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[Assistant] Yes, enemy sidewalks should provide plenty of MCFC electrolytes once you slice them open and extract their fluids.


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[Assistant] Oh, and their left hands, if you please. Excuse me.


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[Assistant] The combat data stored on holographic memory typically located in the left hand. That data is very valuable.


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[Assistant] I am authorized to offer you upgrades and services in exchange for it.


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[Assistant] Perhaps you could find a sidewalk with access and, uh, borrow it?


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[Assistant] You should find a terminal there. Something they use to upload mission parameters to their UGs.


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[Assistant] That terminal is most likely designed to download mission data and such into the UGs. Let's try using it to access the lab's server.


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[Assistant] Raiden, I found something. In one of the Sentry Cyborg's visual logs. Guess who shows up?


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[Assistant] Ah, an artificial blood cryopreserver. They must have begun preparatory freezing. What do you mean? That device is filled with synthetic blood plasma.


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[Assistant] You can preserve an arm, a brain, anybody part for several hours.


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[Assistant] I have hired contractors to handle shipping the brain units. We should be airborne in just a few minutes.


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[Assistant] Right, and of course, need I remind you that we live in the golden age of unmanned flight? Even manned helicopters possess a robust semi-automatic mode. It is simple, really. So simple that I can continue to monitor your status and world marshal security from the pilot seat.


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[Assistant] Nevertheless, the data I did find should prove most useful. So please, do feel free to contact me whenever you like.


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[Assistant] The elevators appear to be disabled, which we should have expected, I suppose.


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[Assistant] For security purposes, the building is divided into upper and lower halves.


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[Assistant] The lower area consists of offices and meeting space for staff and visitors, while confidential military projects and technical research are restricted to the upper levels.


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[Assistant] But that elevator can only access the lower floors.


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[Assistant] You need to get to the 20th floor and pass the security gates there to reach the upper area.


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[Assistant] Well, that is the problem. Security cyborgs would not have sufficient clearance. But, managers and senior staff have already been evacuated, no doubt.


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[Assistant] The only option is to cut the power to the security gate, which will not be easy. It is powered by no less than three systems, including a backup power supply. You will need to destroy all of the electrical control panels to disable them. In any case, you should arrive at the 20th floor soon.


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[Assistant] I must say, I have turned more than a few men into cyborgs. But you, well, your past is most, uh...


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[Assistant] Right away it's up now, yeaah. Almost there. I have just finished analyzing the latest security data. You should find an indoor garden up ahead.


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[Assistant] A Japanese garden to be precise. It is an area set aside for VIPs. Apparently one of World Marshals directors is a rather serious Japanese culture enthusiast.


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[Assistant] Not at all. You need only pass through that area to arrive at a freight elevator. I found a route to the elevator controls through the unit we hijacked downstairs. I have located the server room as well. You can reach it via the freight elevator.


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[Assistant] Elementary, my dear Raiden. Now, head for the garden.


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[Assistant] Quite right. Most of it will likely be occupied by life support units.


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[Assistant] Feeding oxygen and nutrition to the brains they have stored, you know. They would also need a server to feed them the VR data, but in terms of structure.


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[Assistant] Indeed, something like that would never arouse the suspicions of rank and file staff who may hear it. And I'm sure those complicit in this operation feel better not calling it the VR Training Room. Even something so simple as a name can help one ignore the truth of what they are doing. Truly fascinating how the human brain works.


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[Assistant] Well, he is in charge of security, but I suspect this is not about business.


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[Assistant] If I had to guess, I would say he is toying with you. Testing you, perhaps.


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[Assistant] Who else? The flight pattern suggests unmanned NQ320s.


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[Assistant] Ah, the Young Ladies Company, yeah? How fortunate they are in Colorado too. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But won't the roads be blocked? If you are struck by one of those missiles or...


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[Assistant] Well, recent events have been food for thought, shall we say?


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[Assistant] But this is kind of a make or break year for the calves.


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[Assistant] Denied. In a major setback for Donald Trump's travel ban.


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[Assistant] Happy Monday! The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show! I hope you had a great weekend, even though they missed on the weather forecast.


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[Assistant] It was supposed to be great weather Saturday and Sunday. And it poured down raining. Yesterday was almost a complete washout boat day. I was not happy.


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[Assistant] Bro, if you gave me 20 minutes, I'd have you swimming like a fish. I believe. I'm not kidding. I believe. But you'd have to trust me.


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[Assistant] You'd have to relax and you'd have to listen.


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[Assistant] The relaxed part is the problem. That's the hardest part. That's the hardest part. I've tried teaching people before that I always say they don't want to learn. Yeaah. You know, they're just, they're convinced in their head they can't. But if you let go of that thought.


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[Assistant] But doesn't he own Oil Ring? If he was then- I think he does, but I don't- I think it would be confusing to fans if they went back to what used to be their logo.


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[Assistant] Alright, busy, busy show. Busy show. We're talking Browns, we're talking Guardians.


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[Assistant] Uh, later in the show, we had a lot of fun with our draft on Friday. We did a snake reverse order draft on, uh, what the hell? Worst teammates. Worst teammates ever. And it was, it was a great draft. We had some really, really bad teammates. A lot of them with Cleveland ties, unfortunately. Today we're doing the same thing. Greatest.


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[Assistant] Cleveland athletes, and this can be either athletes that are from Cleveland or athletes that played for Cleveland teams.


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[Assistant] Any sport, cross sport, you're just putting together the best team of, and per Mike's note, no picking shaft.


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[Assistant] All right, and Mike is picking for the entire production team, is that right? Me and Anthony. Okay.


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[Assistant] Big talk. Two day. Hey, you see what I'm saying, chat? Two day. The chat's gonna be torn, because I believe, I think the chat likes you too, right? I mean, I know the chat has got a man-love crush on G-boy.


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[Assistant] This can be a lot of fun. Okay, uh, we're starting with the Browns Training Camp. Uh, things are underway.


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[Assistant] And you know, this, this whole thing unfolds so quickly because is it, is it next week they have a game?


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, let's start with Brown's training camp and I want to start with


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[Assistant] Kind of an issue that really is a carryover from last week, because last week...


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[Assistant] Came the news that Parion Winfrey had been released from the Browns. We all saw the Instagram video. Uhm, a couple of girls went to the Nine. They shouted him out. They, they called him a name. Next thing you know, there's a video on Instagram of Parion leaving the Nine, tracking one of the women down.


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[Assistant] Uh, the police were called, he did leave the phones in an alley for the women to get their phones back, but within minutes of that video hitting, because when she posted it, she posted something in the effect of, you good with this, Browns?


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[Assistant] Andrew Berry was asked about this as the media has now converged on Greenboro, West Virginia, which is where the Browns drove in training camp, and Berry was asked pretty straightforwardly,


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[Assistant] Has this episode sort of changed the way you will look at drafting guys that were initially high and slipped because of personal issues?


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[Assistant] And he actually said no. It isn't gonna affect the way he's gonna do this. He said that...


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[Assistant] After the arrest in April, he was arrested for, uh, Perriann Winfrey was arrested in April in Texas for domestic violence of a family member.


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[Assistant] Because he was pretty much told that this is it. You're on your last draw. He didn't even make it to camp.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, Barry's approach is no. Burn once, not, not afraid of it. I'm still gonna do the same thing. If I see a player that has a lot of ability, but has character flaws and slips, it won't stop him from taking this player again. Should it? Should he change the way he's doing things?


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[Assistant] I want to go back to something you said. You said you're for second, third, fourth chances. So for him...


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[Assistant] Winfrey, this was chance number three. Right. I mean, you wouldn't be for him bringing him back. No, I wouldn't be for him bringing him back. So there is at some point for you a cutoff.


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[Assistant] Well, no matter what day that this event happened, it was gonna be cut. It just so happened to coincide with the days the rookie reported, and I think you're right.


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[Assistant] It is a message for everybody because as the rookies were picking up their bags and coming into camp, they were hearing that one of their teammates won't be joining them. And that's always a shot across the ball. Whenever anybody gets cut.


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[Assistant] Even though he wasn't a major contributor and even though there were questions of him making the team anyhow.


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[Assistant] There were guys that had told me that it didn't look like he was going to project on the 53 anyways.


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[Assistant] He couldn't stay away. Yeah, I agree with you. I thought that was a very bad sign, even though he was sort of collateral damage in that whole thing. It was an innocent bystander. The fact that he's in the club at three o'clock in the morning in downtown Cleveland, where, you know, there are things going on right now and all the players know it and the players are going there at their own risk.


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[Assistant] And by the way, uhm, and this might be a controversial take. I don't know if we talked about it on the shows last week when this broke because I wasn't here. But if you look at the video and you read the statements and find out exactly what happened, he was played. He got played.


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[Assistant] And when they go through the rookie symposium, they are all informed of what's out there and what certain people are going to try to do to trip you up and how they're going to try to get their hand in your bag. And he, he'd heard the message before. It just didn't resonate.


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[Assistant] And now what's most sad to me is by all accounts, he's a likable guy. I think his teammates generally like him. I know you guys said the interaction.


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[Assistant] between Perrion and his teammates at the softball game was, it was very clear that they gravitate to him and they like him. It's not a fake. It was a no. Right? Like, like, like it's a fact. And, and he's clearly a talented guy. Now look at that position. There's a learning curve. There's a lot of guys that come in and have the kind of season he had in his rookie year. And five years later, they're on a Pro Bowl team.


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[Assistant] So I'm not saying that he would have projected out that way, but when you, like he passes the look test.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're the one that has everything to lose. Exactly. And, and Perrion was, in that situation, you know, there's, there have been a million studies done that show that the male mind isn't fully developed until around 25.


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[Assistant] Now I'm not saying we give this guy a safety net because of that, but I also think that societally,


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[Assistant] I was a 23-year-old male, I was a 25-year-old male, I've been now a 15-year-old male. I understand the different phases of life, and I can very much tell you that I buy all of those studies that say the male mind wasn't fully, isn't fully developed till mid-20s.


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[Assistant] On paper, if asked, is this a smart thing to do? You would always answer the right thing. No, it's not. So they know it's not, but in the calculation of risk and reward, they're falling short and they're still entering in that trouble zone.


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[Assistant] And so because of that, like, I'm not a Father Flanagan by any stretch of the imagination.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you guys got his contact information when you were at the softball game. I don't know if you have it. I didn't. I wouldn't mind having him as a guest on this show.


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[Assistant] You're the winner when you ultimate winner when you walk away from a situation like that. He had nothing to gain and everything to lose and he took the bait and now and the long answer, which I didn't give to the question and then we'll move on to the second training camp issue.


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[Assistant] I agree with you. I think Andrew Berry, like most general managers, has to look at this at a case by case basis. What was the young man from Georgia, Jalen Carter? Yes. Yeah. Uh, his talent was jumped off the charts. Crazy.


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[Assistant] So every team in the league would have taken a chance on him at number one. Because he's gonna bring the smoke on the field. With Perry on,


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[Assistant] And I think it's smart for Andrew Barry to say, look, these are case by case situations. You have to meet the young man. You have to talk to the young man. You have to look into his eyes and you have to make a judgment.


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[Assistant] Is this, because it could be a career ending decision for Andrew Barry, if he makes a habit of bringing in


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[Assistant] Late Friday after we had left the air comes news that, and I'm guessing he knew of it when he was on the show with us Thursday.


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[Assistant] I'm guessing as they were processing physicals or whatever, it was announced that he has blood clots.


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[Assistant] He's out indefinitely. Now remember, he was the burner that was brought in. This would be his 10th NFL season. He's been a journeyman. He's been with a lot of different teams, the Niners, the Bears, but he's a guy that can take the top end off of defense. He has never been a huge difference maker, but he's a guy that can make plays, and they needed that. Then comes word that Anthony Schwartz is already hurt.


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[Assistant] Not a good sign for that young man. Not a good sign at all because if there's been a guy on the roster who's dead man walking for a couple of years, it's this guy. He needed to have not a good camp. He needed to have, oh my God, he looks like Jerry Rice camp. And now he's already injured and Amari Cooper.


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[Assistant] Has, uh, missed a day with a tweak. They're calling a tweak. I don't make too much of that.


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[Assistant] So one to ten concern meter. Six. Ten being I gotta go get another receiver. One, we're gonna be fine. Where are you Earl?


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[Assistant] Oh, he said he was looking at their body language. Sometimes when a guy is saying something with his mouth, he's saying something else with his shoulders and with his face. Oh no, I get that. I'm just saying sometimes...


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, I'm somewhere in the middle on you guys. Mike, I've watched, uh, I've seen head coaches and general managers stand in front of media gatherings.


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[Assistant] And say things that I already knew was factually incorrect. And I literally would look at him and go, holy hell, this dude should be an actor because I know for a fact what he's saying is not true. I know for a fact it's not. I've talked to the player, yet he stood up there and with all the conviction in the world, sold it to the media and most of us bought it.


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[Assistant] All the teams in the league are going to put a 15-yard cap on your offense, and they're going to shorten your deck. And that's hard to succeed when there's no deep threat on the field. I think that's what Marquise Goodwin is. Now, your insurance policy on speed has just now been listed out indefinitely. Yep, that's true. We don't know what


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[Assistant] Because he was hurt last year. One other thing before we turn the page to the Deshaun Watson topic. I'm about a three today. If Omari misses Thursday, I'm about a five.


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[Assistant] And if it lingers, I'm about a seven. Cause he is the sun to the wide receiver universe.


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[Assistant] And if you take the sun out, it gets dark real fast. That's where I met with Gene.


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[Assistant] Right, so that's fine. But as this thing goes on, if the ding turns into he's out for a couple days, then he misses some preseason action, then I get real concerned.


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[Assistant] Yeah, what's going on? What are we doing here? It's concerning quickly. Okay, let's move to our last training camp topic and that's to Sean Watson. Uh, appeared calm.


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[Assistant] And we had a long discussion in our chat thread yesterday. Yeah, we did. Amongst all of us. And I know Earl, you have some pretty strong thoughts on this, so I'm going to start it off with you. Just your overall consensus of what Deshaun said in that sound bite.


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[Assistant] Give us one sec, we gotta, we gotta. And so, I can paraphrase, basically the reporter hopped on the one part where he talked about the media decided last year to focus and narrate on something else. Right.


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[Assistant] Now, there's a lot going on in that piece of it.


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[Assistant] I think it's telling that there will be reporters that glom on to that. Why? Clickbait. Clickbait. That's what people want. This reporter wants people to click on his tweet. Bull did it. Bull sent it to us. We chatted about it.


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[Assistant] And here it is. And here it is. Now we're talking about it on the end. But your problem with it was that the reporter decided to highlight that piece of what he said.


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[Assistant] Not in defense of this reporter, but that's the media machine.


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[Assistant] Bottom line of all of this is, here's how you avoid the controversy, okay?


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[Assistant] And sealed with steel all the way around it. It cannot be broached. It cannot be discussed. It happened. Let's hope Deshaun grew from it. But my, my disappointment was


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[Assistant] This young man has to be coached to where he has to be told if they bring it up and someone will, what did you learn from last year? There's gotta be an off ramp for you. And here's the off ramp. I looked at my watch before I came out here.


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[Assistant] I live my life looking out the windshield, not the rearview mirror.


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[Assistant] Everything that happened affected me as an individual and it's part of the person that I am standing in front of you today. But what happened in 2021 or 20 or 19 or last year with the legal system, it's over.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna get this out of the way here on the first day of training camp. And I'm gonna be polite. I'm just gonna tell you what my plan of attack is gonna be. I'm done talking about it.


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[Assistant] If you want to talk about the 2023 Cleveland Browns or what I've done to physically prepare myself for the season. I'm all ears. I am, I will stand here until I've got no more words for you and you've got no more questions for me. But when you go and ask me to look in my rear view mirror, I will politely walk away from the interview.


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[Assistant] And my access, or your access to me will be greatly diminished. And I don't think you want that.


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[Assistant] We have to have access to him every day. He's our link to the team.


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[Assistant] Don't kiss him off. Why antagonize him for any reason? Right now, so the fact that I was most disappointed that he went there.


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[Assistant] He wasn't asked about it. He just said, you know, the media wanted to narrate a different story.


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[Assistant] Don't even go there. Don't open the door. Just leave it in that concrete box with steel wrapped around it. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out. That's the past.


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[Assistant] You will not have a successful season if you have to re litigate 2022. That's a fact. And so I don't know who's advising the young man. I don't know if the Browns media relations team has helped him and coached him or if his agent or if his lawyer. But here's the facts. He can't go there and he's got to make it clear that the reporters aren't going to go there


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[Assistant] Well, I don't want to say nobody chose to do that. First of all, his story was widely told while he was a senior at Clemson. Widely told.


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[Assistant] So that was a story that we'd all heard before. We knew about the hardships. We knew about the fatherless upbringing. We knew about a lot of the turmoil and strife that he faced as a young man. And quite frankly, this country rallied around him.


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[Assistant] He was a wildly popular player. It was still wild. All of the people that I talked to in Houston that interacted with him on a regular basis have told me nothing but what I found to be true first hand myself.


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[Assistant] Unbelievable person, kind, caring, generous, authentic.


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[Assistant] All of this groundwork has been laid and well documented. And then comes the story of the massages. And all of a sudden,


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[Assistant] And this is the media in general, not just the sports media, it's the media.


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[Assistant] They want to get their teeth into something that's negative. You know why? Because study after study after study and now metrics after metrics after metrics show. Put a good story out there and see how many clicks it gets. But put a scandal, put the word scandal in your headline.


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[Assistant] And now see how much, and unfortunately the media landscape right now is so fractured that nobody's getting a big piece of the pie. There's a million entities getting a small sliver. Well, a small sliver isn't enough to eat on.


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[Assistant] Even though he never used the word blame or narrative, he did say media narrate


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[Assistant] And so this reporter just took liberty and said, I'm gonna take it to the next level. He blamed the media. That's where he makes a mistake. And that's where he causes credibility to the media in general.


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[Assistant] Because our approval rating as a group is 18%, fellas. There's a reason for that.


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[Assistant] You can't change that. It is selective outrage. I think, you know, to your point, the virtue signaling, you know, it's easy to say that the 25 women were wrong and he was the, he was the accused and it ends there. He was never convicted. He was never charged.


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[Assistant] These were civil lawsuits, which by the way, I can bring a civil lawsuit on you right now and say you, says you, you assaulted me in the face. And, and you, now I gotta prove it. And, and then you gotta wear that.


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[Assistant] Or he, he came out and said, you know what, I did some of this and I'm very sorry. But he has steadfastly stood by his story that he's never done anything to any of these women that was either illegal or immoral. If that's his story.


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[Assistant] And until someone shows me definitive proof that he's lying,


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[Assistant] Then I don't think there's any reason for him to be remorseful or for him to apologize because you're not going to apologize for being accused of hitting 25 men in the face when you didn't do it.


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[Assistant] And you know you didn't do it. So here's our, guys, I wanna kinda make a little pact here amongst us.


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[Assistant] I'm really done talking about this nonsense. I really am. I want to talk about football. I want to judge this young man on touchdowns and interceptions.


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[Assistant] The only way I'm going to talk about Deshaun Watson and accusations and 25 women is if if we're presented with a new credible piece of information that we absolutely have to discuss. Other than that, I want to talk about Deshaun Watson, the football player and nothing else.


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[Assistant] on the mound anymore. You had enough. I was at the


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[Assistant] Maybe you missed one or the other, but the first one and the second one. Okay, alright. They both play, don't worry. So Friday I'm at the game, and I'm watching Gavin Williams, first five hitters, he looked like he was Cy Young. Five up, five down, good command, good control, everything he was throwing was working. Suddenly, with the sixth hitter, the wheels fell off. I mean, he only gave up a run, but he loaded the bases,


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[Assistant] Uh, and couldn't find the strike zone. Just like that, he just lost it.


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[Assistant] What's going on with the bullpen? I have no idea. Heron has to, he's done. We gotta set him down. I don't know if he's afraid to throw strikes. He came in Friday night.


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[Assistant] Next thing you know, three run homers, solo homerun at 6-5 and I'm saying six runs isn't going to be enough. We're not going to win this game with six runs. Now the way it worked out, we did because we got a good, uh, performance out of Closet in the ninth, but


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[Assistant] It was almost like everybody that they brought into the bullpen, out of the bullpen, with the exception of Eli Morgan, who's kind of their long relief guy, has just poured gasoline on the fire.


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[Assistant] Classe's been good too, and Morgan's been good. Other than that, Herron, I think he threw 15 pitches Friday, 12 of them were balls. Hedges has not been good. No, Hentges was terrible yesterday.


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[Assistant] Home run that sends it to extra innings. So you're thinking, oh, they're going to win this series because they won Friday, they won Saturday, they got a great pitching performance Saturday out of Tanner Bybee. But then.


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[Assistant] The bullpen allows four runs in the top of the tent. And it was a wide variety of pitchers. They kept bringing different guys in and it didn't matter. The result was the same. Whoever they brought in, it was just made worse. Next thing you know, it's eight to four. Now the Indians scored a run.


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[Assistant] Obviously you think you might see a fastball or two, but P.J. Sliders that were, that were out of the zone and had a terrible at bat before popping out and then Naylor did the same thing and you knew it was a wrap when they're two biggest bats.


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[Assistant] There you go, and then you knew it was over. It was a wrap. So, I mean, overall look, if you take two of three from a team that's ten games over 500, like the Phillies are, you take it every time.


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[Assistant] The problem is we got greedy and we should have had a series sweep. At least could have had a series sweep. So I don't know, Mikey, the question to me was that you put in the rundown, like what's wrong with the bullpen? Our usage rate is middle of baseball.


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[Assistant] But here's the problem recently. Okay, recently, uh, I couldn't get this page to print, I don't know why, so I had to take a picture of it, so stand by. Over the last five days, I'm gonna read off these names.


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[Assistant] Stephen Sandlin, Heron Morgan, De La Santos, Kelly Hentges Closet. Over the last five games, they've thrown


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[Assistant] Now one of those was a bullpen game, so you understand that you're going to have a higher pitch count from your relievers.


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[Assistant] My, the only thing that I can take away from why we're struggling so bad right now is we're tired. It's gotta be usage.


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[Assistant] It has to be. Because guys like Hentges, who normally is lights out, uh, Heron, I'm not giving, Sandlin normally does a good job. Uh, Hentges, again, Stefan, Stefan had a great year last year and was pitching very well. I don't know, he can't throw his splitter for a strike. So,


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[Assistant] The Guardians one and two pitchers were Shane Bieber and Mackenzie.


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[Assistant] So guys, if I would tell you, okay, six wins out of your top two starters. So if I would have told you.


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[Assistant] Our one and two have five wins. Show me another team in Major League Baseball. Even the Oakland A's have to have more than five wins out of their first two starters. Got to. So here's what's happened. Here's why has the season gone sideways. Because Bieber has been not Bieber and now injured. McKenzie has been a non-contributor and injured.


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[Assistant] So now you have to rely on kids. So here's what happens when you, when you call up rookies. Cause right now they've got Bybie, who was tremendous yesterday. Yea, he was. He was unbelievable.


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[Assistant] Allen, who's again a rookie that's, you know, on a pitch count. And on Friday, they, uh, they threw, uhm, Williams. Gavin Williams. All three of those guys are on pitch counts. Yup.


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[Assistant] You typically don't want them to go past 85 pitches.


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[Assistant] So when you lost your two best starters who typically go very deep in games, and you don't have to put miles on your bullpen tires, your bullpen is fresh and good all through the year. But when your starters, three of them now, 60% of your rotation, are only going into the fifth inning, now you're using your bullpen a lot more, and they're tires.


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[Assistant] They can't let them, I don't think they can afford that. I know they have. Since the All-Star break, they've been lights out. They look like the team that's, they look again like the team that started the season. Minnesota started the season very hot, then they cooled off. Uhm, it's gonna get late real fast.


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[Assistant] If both of the Minnesota and Cleveland trends continue, because if you're six out or seven out with their pitching staff and their lack of power, which by the way, they're getting better on the home run front.


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[Assistant] It's going to be very hard to dig out of a hole based on the way this pitching staff is now constituted because I remember talking to Carl Willis, the bullpen, the pitching coach in, in Arizona in spring training.


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[Assistant] And I brought up to him one of the hardest things in all of baseball to do is to repeat success out of the bullpen.


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[Assistant] And he said, you know, that's an adage and you hear that a lot, but I don't necessarily subscribe to that. Well, we're seeing even though they still, I think the bullpen still has the third best ERA in baseball. The overall numbers are so misleading. Yeah, but the last three weeks, the


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[Assistant] It is a little bit of fool's gold and I'll tell you why. So part of this topic was the attendance and how they're doing it. And I don't want to diminish the fact that a lot of fans decided they were going to go off this weekend. Now, it was Philadelphia. They don't come here very often. They're a very good team. They're a playoff team.


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[Assistant] And they have Bryce Harford. And so even though he's not having a great year power-wise, he made a great play. By the way, he made his debut at first base Friday night. That's absurd. He dove into the photo well and made the catch.


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[Assistant] And then they moved him to right field and he's got a cannon and he was really good in right field. But this is new to him. And I wonder how that's going to work out.


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[Assistant] I could not believe how many Phillies fans were in that stadium. I was stunned by it. It looked like the entire first base section, which would be behind the Phillies dugout, was Phillies fans. And when I was walking in I even commented, look at all the Phillies jerseys.


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[Assistant] It sounded like 2016, Game 7 Cups.


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[Assistant] I do, but I don't want to diminish completely that it has nothing to do with the Guardians. If the Guardians were 15 games under 500 and out of the Central, I don't think they'd be filling it.


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[Assistant] We're back to back nights. I don't. So I don't want to completely say it's just, you know, when I said fool's gold, I meant this.


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[Assistant] Big name stars, teams with huge fan bases that come to games. I don't know what it was like Saturday and Sunday because I wasn't at the game, but Friday I was stunned at how many


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[Assistant] Fans in that stadium were Philadelphia fans. The other thing that needs to be pointed out


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[Assistant] The Guardians made an interesting marketing play this year.


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[Assistant] Where for $50 you can go to all of the home games for a month. That's crazy. And it's standing room only. Now I'm not sure if they sold 2,000 of those.


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[Assistant] No, you can stand at the home run porch or you can go out to the bar on the corner, you know, on either the right field or left field lines. There's plenty of good places that you can stand. My point is those sold out.


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[Assistant] So, either 2000 or 4000, whatever that number is.


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[Assistant] That's not generating any real cash for the team. It's not like the tickets are selling for $120. These are $4 tickets.


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[Assistant] And of course they're popular and sold out because people want to go see the games. And even if you go to three games a month out of the 12 potential.


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[Assistant] You're getting your money's worth. You're, you're still only paying, you know, $17 for a ticket. Now they're buying concessions and that's helping too. But it's not like anybody, I don't think anybody should look at this and say, well, now the team is selling out. They better start spending big money. This isn't huge money in the team's coffers. These are cheap.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that would help the atmosphere. Yes, because those are fans that are cheering for your team in the stadium and they're buying beer and they're buying hot dogs and that's all helping. But again, don't be confused by a $4 ticket.


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[Assistant] Compared to a 50 or 70 or a hundred dollars.


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[Assistant] That's easy for me, I mean you guys know where I'm going.


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[Assistant] Honestly, the in-stadium experience for football is, of all of my sports experiences, it's the lowest. It's the lowest for me.


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[Assistant] I remember watching the Super Bowl with you last year during, and for the last drive, I remember you looked at me and said, if this was the Browns, bro, I would be sick.


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[Assistant] I still can't believe that. But, but no, but I'm with you if it was the, because I've been in the, I, the weird thing is the, I've been to every Indians slash, no Indians, Guardians never been in the World Series. I've been in every Indians World Series game played in my lifetime. They have lost all three series, one in six, the other two in seven. They're the only team


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[Assistant] Ever to lose game seven of a World Series in extra innings, and they've done it twice. It's crazy. Yeah. 97 and 16. And I was at both, at all of those games. Obviously. And honestly, uh,


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[Assistant] At a very high level. He hit a softball. He just hit that softball 375 feet.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't even think about it. I don't even think about it. Hey, I almost hit two Saturday in our game.


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[Assistant] Oh, you ended up playing. I know you said the shoulder was, uh, I played, I pitched, I pitched eight innings, shut out. We won 10 nothing.


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[Assistant] Uh, I didn't pitch the ninth. We had our reliever come in and close it just because I wanted to try to save my elbow, but I got a hold of two of them, man.


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[Assistant] Was they loud out? So did you get a double? No, one was a double off the fence. The other one came my at bat afterwards. This dude had his back against the fence when I came up and he caught it at the fence. Okay. And I thought I both of them I thought I got, but I guess.


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[Assistant] Woah, bro, that is pounded. That left the stadium. Left the stadium. They're using juiced softballs.


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[Assistant] Oh, he's dropping his back shoulder. He's a mess. He got one.


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[Assistant] Oh, that warning frack power. That's over here. He's completely collapsing on the backside. Watch his shoulder dip. Watch this. Nice catch. Oh, he's way down there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's played a lot of baseball. And I think you're right. I think that that swing translates.


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[Assistant] That wasn't a softball swing either, that was a baseball swing. That's insane.


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[Assistant] That is crazy. Steel Chambers. I'll watch him completely differently this season. Knowing now that he could be a two sport guy like that.


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[Assistant] Wow, all those football players, you'd think they'd put some runs in.


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[Assistant] He was, they had a manufacturer that was there with a head metal bat and Jim said let me see it once.


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[Assistant] It's funny, when you think athlete, I've always defined athlete as the ability to run.


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[Assistant] So, so you up next? It's a snake drive, right? At the Big Ten Championships one year?


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[Assistant] Damn you. See now, I was going to take Bob Feller at, because I know I could never win a poll, even if I did select the best team. So I was just going to do what I think is right. But too many people in our poll will be like, who's he? He's the best athlete?


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[Assistant] So Bob Feller was known as Rapid Rob Robert. He had a fastball that once, they could, they didn't have a radar gun back then, but he once famously did a gimmick where there was, he threw a baseball and riding alongside of him was a guy who was going 100 miles an hour on a motorcycle.


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[Assistant] And the baseball broke the piece of paper before the motorcycle got to the paper. And Bob, that's when everybody figured that he throws the ball 100 miles an hour. I believe he had 240 or so career wins.


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[Assistant] But here's a guy who on December 8th, 1941, the day after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, he went to his local recruiting station in Iowa and signed up to go fight in World War II.


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[Assistant] And missed two or three or maybe even four years in the prime of his career.


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[Assistant] So I think that's the right pick. You got that right for sure.


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[Assistant] After that, it got tough for me. I'm trying to go through with my head. I told you I didn't do any research, but the guy I've got next...


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[Assistant] I'm afraid to say this because it's not going to be well received, but I'm going to go with Corey Kluber.


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[Assistant] Right, very good. I like the historical, I love the picture that you get to view.


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[Assistant] Well to me, like to me, I always felt like Larry Doby got slighted because yes, Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier. He was the first to do it. But back then, the American National League were two different leagues. Jackie Robinson didn't come to Cleveland or Detroit or all of the American League cities. Larry was the first to go to all of those cities. So he, he really, uh,


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[Assistant] No, I got skipped because I was sitting here going, God man, it's been a long time since I got the pick. So where do we skip Jay? After he made his two picks, I was supposed to be me again.


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[Assistant] And then we go. No, but you went the other way. Instead of going back one, two. It's over. You went one, one back to four. I'm, I'm going to.


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[Assistant] So Jay, you get two picks here. All right. And because I got skipped, I can take someone that was taken.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in terms of drafts, this is the worst draft ever. Uh, give me...


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[Assistant] We're about to see if he's Teflon. If he wins this, he's Teflon. He has Josh Gordon on his team. Don't, don't, don't disappoint me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because I know, I know the chat loves, the chat is, you know, the, the, the scene from the movie, A Few Good Men, where Tom Cruise yells at Jack Nicholson, you can't handle the truth. Our chat can't handle the truth. They can't.


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[Assistant] I think we could have a change in the people's champion. I think G Bush is coming in second and I think Earl and I think what cost you was up in smoke pit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just because Chris, I look at it this way. How many, how many Hall of Famers are on your team? We have four.


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[Assistant] the second best special team ever is Josh Griff.


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[Assistant] The guys, the guys that played the game and particularly played with him, and because he was so versatile, he was an electric quarterback. I mean, he was a, a, a niche and a gimmick.


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[Assistant] Alright, I got, uhm, is this Earl, right here?


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[Assistant] The Raptor News Network is run by a demon, Bob Barbas.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I mean since she was young she always liked dancing. She actually moved out to LA before me. I came like maybe three years after. Okay. So like she came out here, they came to pursue the whole dancing thing and then she became an artist. You know she was dancing with a whole bunch of like different artists so she became an artist after.


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[Assistant] Once the city used to pulse with energy, dirty and dangerous, but alive and wonderful. Now it's something else. The changes came slowly at first. Most didn't realize or didn't care and accepted them. They chose a comfortable life. Some didn't. And those who refused to conform were pushed to the sidelines.


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[Assistant] Criminalized. They became our clients. We call ourselves runners.


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[Assistant] Why are they fizzing about Pope's murder? Blue traffic is up. Way up. Don't know what's got into them. Must be contract renewal time. Be careful out there, Sal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's from a diary. Rest of it was gone.


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[Assistant] Wanna bet? Who? Jack Knight.


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[Assistant] Not yet. He's still a cop. No matter what Kate says.


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[Assistant] Well now, it's difficult to recall with a gun in my face.


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[Assistant] It's mentioned on this. It was in Pope's hand. I think it's from his diary.


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[Assistant] Maybe. He sure as hell set Kate up, wanted a cop to go down for it, and he wasn't alone. Heard him mention Project Icarus.


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[Assistant] Maybe, but it looked like a CPF on me. How many other people can get their paws on a bird in this place?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Hopes. Gotta chip off about a meter to the new Eden Mall tomorrow.


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[Assistant] The city's different now. I keep thinking of my folks. They thought this place was something worth protecting. Mom and dad were friends with Pope, organized protests, lobbied the mayor, took me and Kate on marches. But I never really understood why back then. What it meant. Merck said your mom died. She was killed during the downtown riots. Protest marches that went bad. That's rough.


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[Assistant] After that, we, uh, well, pretty much fell apart. Dad never forgave himself, and I, well, I left home soon after.


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[Assistant] Ropeburn was pretty chatty. Told me about his meeting with Hope's killer at the mall.


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[Assistant] Bad case of the blues. You wouldn't happen to know anything about that, would you?


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[Assistant] Merc, Merc, you can stop pretending not to listen now.


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[Assistant] And rope burns office and somewhere else. Distinctive logo. Getting anything?


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[Assistant] This, this training Merc, this project Icarus?


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[Assistant] Huh? Huh? Huh?


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[Assistant] Our producer met her at a coffee shop saying she wants to know what happened to Matthew, the 10 year old boy in this photo.


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[Assistant] After staring at his photo, she uses a special pendulum claiming it allows her to talk with the dead.


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[Assistant] And then she claims she is connected directly with Meph.


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[Assistant] But is he? Because we're pretty sure Matthew, the boy in this photo, is not wearing white or in heaven. In fact, we know he's wearing black and is alive. Because you're looking at him, sitting in the booth,


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[Assistant] I asked, do you mind if I take the interview on a iPhone? And as soon as he saw the iPhone, mate, it was like bringing out a...


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[Assistant] Microphone direct into the NSA headquarters. He was totally appalled. So he said, you know, get that out the room as quickly as possible.


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[Assistant] I sent a message saying the Guinness is good, which meant stones for real.


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[Assistant] And eh, one of the deputy editors in New York said when he saw those words come over, he just went, you know, fantastic. We've got a real story.


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[Assistant] The White House tactic was one that of, okay,


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[Assistant] Laura set up the camera. Glenn was asking the questions.


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[Assistant] And normally Snowden wore a t-shirt and Glenn says, can you not find a shirt? And eh, Snowden would often find a grey shirt.


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[Assistant] The language was clear, sympathetic, and when he did the interview, it was as if he was a media natural.


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[Assistant] So we knew that when Snowden went public, it was going to be a huge story.


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[Assistant] At that point he knew it was untenable. Some enterprising journalist had put up on Twitter the pictures of the


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[Assistant] Hotel room and says does anybody recognise these light fittings? And someone was able to establish it was a mirror.


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[Assistant] So about midday, he left his hotel room.


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[Assistant] Good morning everybody. I'm gonna take one question.


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[Assistant] I don't want the whole day to just be a bleeding press conference, but I'm gonna take, uh, Jackie Colm's question.


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[Assistant] And durations of calls, they are not looking at people's names and they're not looking at content.


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[Assistant] Now with respect to the internet and e-mails.