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[Assistant] Sad and sweet was the sound of her voice in the cool clean air.


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[Assistant] What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a sea?


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[Assistant] Aragorn stayed his boat as the swan ship drew alongside. The lady ended her song and greeted them. We have come to bid our last farewell, she said, and to speed you with blessings from our land.


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[Assistant] Though you have been our guests, said Celeborn, you have not yet eaten with us.


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[Assistant] And we bid you therefore, hear between the flowing waters that will bear you far from Lorium. The swan passed on slowly to the heath, and they turned their boats and followed it.


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[Assistant] There in the last end of Egladil upon the green grass the parting feast was held, but Frodo ate and drank little, heeding only the beauty of the lady and her voice.


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[Assistant] She seemed no longer perilous or terrible, nor filled with hidden power.


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[Assistant] Sitting upon the grass, Celeborn spoke to them again of their journey, and lifting his hand, he pointed south to the woods beyond the tongue.


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[Assistant] As you go down the water, he said, you will find that the trees will fail, and you will come to a barren country.


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[Assistant] There the river flows in stony vales amid high moors until at last, after many leagues, it comes to the tall island of the Tindrock that we call Tall Brandyr.


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[Assistant] There it casts its arms about the steep shores of the Isle, and falls then with a great noise and smoke over the cataracts of Rauros, down into the Nindalf. The Wetwang is it is called in your tongue. That is a wide region of sluggish fen when the stream becomes torturous and much divided.


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[Assistant] There the entwash flows in by many mouths of the forest of Thangorn in the west.


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[Assistant] The wind blows from the east there, for they look out over the dead marshes and the no-man lands of Cirith Gorgor, and the black gates of Mordor.


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[Assistant] Yet they should not go too far up that stream, no risk becoming entangled in the forest of Fangorn. That is a strange land and is now little known. But Boromir and Aragorn doubtless do not need this warning. Indeed we have heard of Fangorn in Minas Tirith, said Boromir.


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[Assistant] What would I have heard seems to meet for the most part of old wives tales, such as we tell our to our children.


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[Assistant] All that lies north of Rohan is now to a so far away that fancy can wander freely there. Of old Fanghorn lay upon the borders of our realm, but it is now many lives of men since any of us visited it.


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[Assistant] To prove or disprove the legends that came true, they have come down from distant years. I have myself been at times in Rohan, but I have never crossed it northwards.


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[Assistant] When I was sent out as a messenger I passed through the gap by the skirts of mountains and crossed the island in the grey flood into northerlands.


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[Assistant] A long and wearisome journey. Four hundred leagues I reckoned it, and it took me many months, for I lost my horse at Tarbad, at the fording of the Grey Flood.


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[Assistant] After that journey and the road I have trodden with this company, I do not much doubt that I shall find a way through Rohan, and Fangorn too if need be. Then I need say no more, said Celeborn.


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[Assistant] But do not despise the Lord that has come down from distant years.


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[Assistant] Now is the time to drink the cup of farewell, she said. Drink, Lord of the Galadrim.


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[Assistant] And let not your heart be sad, though night must follow noon, and already our evening draws nigh.


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[Assistant] But when they had drunks, she commanded them to sit again on the grass. And chairs were set for her and for Celeborn. Her maidens stood silent about her.


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[Assistant] Here is the gift of Celeborn Galadriel to the leader of your company, she said to Aragorn. And she gave him a sheath that had been made to fit his sword.


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[Assistant] This stone I gave to Calabrian, my daughter. And she to hers. And now it comes to you as a token of hope. In this hour, take the name that was foretold for you. Elissa. The Elfstone of the House of Elendil.


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[Assistant] Then Aragorn took the stone and pinned the brooch upon his breast, and those who saw him wondered, for they had not marked before, how tall and kingly he stood, and it seemed to them that many years of toil had fallen from his shoulders. For the gifts that you have given me I thank you, he said.


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[Assistant] Oh Lady of Lorien, of whom were sprung Celebrian and Arwen Evanstar, what praise could I say more?


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[Assistant] And to Mary and Pippin she gave small silver belts, each with a clasp wrought like a golden flower.


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[Assistant] Here is set G for Galadriel, she said. But also it may stand for garden, your turn. In this box there is earth from my orchard.


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[Assistant] And such blessings as Galadriel has still to bestow his upon him. It will not keep you on your road, nor defend you against any peril, but if you keep it and see your home again at last, then perhaps it may reward you.


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[Assistant] Though you should find all barren and laid waste, there will be few gardens in Middle-earth that will bloom like your garden, if you sprinkle this earth there. Then you may remember Galadriel, and catch a glimpse far off of Loria, that you have seen only in our winter. For our spring and our summer are gone, and they will never be seen on earth again, save in them.


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[Assistant] And what gift for the dwarf? Ask of the elves, said Galadriel, turning to Gimli.


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[Assistant] Let none say again that dwarves are grasping and ungracious.


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[Assistant] To name a single strand of your hair which surpasses the gold of the earth as the stars surpass the gems of the mine, I do not ask for such a gift. But you commanded me to name my desire.


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[Assistant] It is said that the skill of the dwarves is in their hands rather than in their tongues, she said. Yet that is not true of Gimli. For none have ever made to me a request so bold, and yet so courteous. And how shall I refuse since I commanded him to speak? But tell me, what would you do with such a gift? Treasure it, lady, he answered, in memory of your words to me at our first meeting.


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[Assistant] And if ever I return to the smithies of my home, it shall be set an imperatable crystal, to be an heirloom of my house, and a pledge of goodwill between the mountain and the woods. Until the end of days.


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[Assistant] Then the lady unbraided one of her lowest dresses and cut off three golden hairs and laid them in Gimli's hand. These words shall go with the gift, she said. I do not foretell, for all foretelling is now in vain. On the one hand lies darkness, and on the other only hope.


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[Assistant] But if hope should not fail, then I say to you, Gimli, son of Gloin, that your hands shall flow with gold, and yet over you gold shall have no dimension.


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[Assistant] And you, ring bearer, she said, turning to Frodo. I come to you last, who are not last in my thoughts. For you, I have prepared this. She held up a small crystal file. It glittered as she moved it, and rays of white light sprang from her hand. In this file, she said, is caught the light of Arendelle's star. Set amid the waters of my fountain. It will shine still brighter when the night is about you.


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[Assistant] And for a moment as it shone between them, he saw her again standing like a queen. Great and beautiful, but no longer terrible. He bowed, but found no words to say.


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[Assistant] Now the lady arose, and Celeborn led them back to the heath. A yellow noon lay upon the green land of the town. And the water glittered with silver. All at last was made ready.


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[Assistant] The elves of Lorien with long grey poles thrust them out into the flowing stream, and the rippling waters bore them slowly away. The travelers sat still without moving or speaking.


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[Assistant] On the green bank near to the very point of the tongue, the Lady Galadriel stood alone and silent. As they passed her, they turned, and their eyes watched her slowly floating away from them. For so it seemed to them, Lorian was slipping backwards.


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[Assistant] Like a bright ship mastered with enchanted trees sailing onto forgotten shores, while they sat helpless upon the margin of the grey and leafless world.


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[Assistant] Even as they gazed the silver lode passed out into the currents of the great river, and their boats turned and began to speed southward. Soon the white form of the lady was small and distant.


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[Assistant] It seemed to Frodo that she lifted her arms in a final farewell, and far but piercing clear on the following wind came the sound of her voice singing.


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[Assistant] Yet as is the way with elvish words, they remained graved in his memory. And long afterwards, he interpreted them as well as he could.


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[Assistant] The years have passed like swift draughts of sweet mead in softly holes beyond the west, beneath the blue vaults of Varda, where the stars tremble in the song of her voice, holy and queenly. Who now shall refill the cup for me? For now the kindler, Varda,


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[Assistant] The queen of the stars, from Mount Everwhite has uplifted her hands like clouds, in all paths are drowned deep in shadow, and out of a grey country darkness lies on the firming waves between us. And mist covers the jewels of Kalesiria forever.


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[Assistant] Now lost, lost to those from the east is Valimar. Farewell. Maybe thou shalt find Valimar. Maybe even thou shalt find it. Farewell.


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[Assistant] Suddenly the river swept around a bend, and the banks rose upon either side, and the light of Lorien was hidden. To that fair land Frodo never came again. The travelers now turned their faces to the journey. The sun was before them.


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[Assistant] And their eyes were dazzled, for all were filled with tears. Gimli wept openly.


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[Assistant] I have looked last upon that which was fairest. He said to Legolas, his companion. Henceforward I will call nothing fair unless it be her gift. He put his hand on his breast. Tell me, Legolas, why did I come on this quest? Little did I know where the chief peril lay.


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[Assistant] And I thank you for your words. True words, doubtless. Yet all such comfort is cold. Memory is not what the heart desires. That is only a mirror. Be it clear as Khalid's arrow. Or so says the heart of Gimli the dwarf.


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[Assistant] Elves may see things otherwise. Indeed, I have heard that from their memories more like to the waking world than to a dream. Not so for dwarves. But let us talk no more of it. Look to the boat.


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[Assistant] She is too low in the water with all this baggage, and the great river is swift. I do not wish to drown my grief in cold water.


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[Assistant] So the company went on their long way, down the wide harrowing waters, born ever southwards,


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[Assistant] Bear woods stalked along either bank, and they could not see any glimpse of the lands behind. The breeze died away and the river flowed without a sound. No voice of bird broke the silence.


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[Assistant] Then it faded into the west, and dusk came early, followed by a grey and starless night.


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[Assistant] Far into the dark, quiet hours, they floated on, guiding their boats under the overhanging shadows of the western woods. Great trees passed by like ghosts, thrusting their twisted, thirsty roots through the mist down into the water. It was dreary and cold.


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[Assistant] Frodo sat and listened to the faint lap and gurgle of the river fretting amongst the tree roots and the driftwood near the shore until his head nodded and he fell into an uneasy sleep.


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[Assistant] The Stuarts, a bloody reign, is an evocation of the extraordinary era when these four Stuart kings lived through turbulent times.


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[Assistant] Europe torn apart by religious conflict. The plague. The great fire of London.


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[Assistant] And finally, a Catholic king fled his country. And his throne.


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[Assistant] As we reveal their fates, we'll trace the story of another family, the Wins who lived here at Gwydir.


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[Assistant] They were there for the great events of the era, and their fortunes rose and fell. That of the Stuarts.


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[Assistant] James I inherited a throne through his mother, Mary, Queen of Scots. This would bring the two kingdoms together, but at such a bloody cost.


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[Assistant] Charles I, the reluctant king, pushed into being the heir because his brother, the magnificently suitable Prince Henry, had died.


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[Assistant] Charles struggled to be the king that everyone longed for.


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[Assistant] James II, the Catholic King of a Protestant country, was a disaster waiting to happen.


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[Assistant] It contained an urgent message. It implored Sir John not to travel to London for the opening of Parliament that November. Wynne had been planning to do just that. King James I, all his ministers and the Lords would be attending.


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[Assistant] John Wynn didn't know it at the time, but he just received a tip-off about the most notorious attempted terror attack in British history. The gunpowder plot.


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[Assistant] A small group of religious fanatics wanted to blurt parliament, kill the king, and return Protestant England to the Catholic faith. The block failed.


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[Assistant] But to this day, the 5th of November is celebrated across the country with bonfires and fireworks.


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[Assistant] But there was far more to King James I rule than gunpowder, treason, and plot.


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[Assistant] James was the first of a new dynasty to rule England, the Stuarts, and he came to the throne at a dangerous time.


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[Assistant] James had held the Scottish throne since he was just 13 months old, but now he would sit on the thrones of England and Ireland as well, in what was known as the Union of the Crowns.


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[Assistant] James have been greeted by huge crowds of enthusiastic supporters as he made his way down from Scotland.


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[Assistant] But things turned sour almost as soon as he reached London and held his first court here at the Charter House. The original monastery built on this site was constructed on land that had been used to bury the countless dead from the great plague of the 14th century.


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[Assistant] The winds here at Gwydir are supporters of the new King James and are advancing in courtly life.


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[Assistant] John Wynn, head of the family, is about to return to Whitehall.


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[Assistant] But too many people were being warned to stay away, and this aroused suspicions. One was the Catholic priest who warned his old friend John Wynne. Another was the writer of an anonymous letter which eventually made its way to the King and his Privy Council.


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[Assistant] And it would be Thomas Howard, the owner of the Charter House, and now the new Lord Chamberlain, who would head down to the cellars of Parliament in order to investigate. The entire cellars were searched, and Guy Fawkes and his bowels of gunpowder were discovered.


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[Assistant] How would he handle these challenges? And how would the Wynn family thrive in this dangerous new world?


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[Assistant] This was a win-win situation for the wins and the stewards. John gained greater power and status.


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[Assistant] He had been set on unifying his two nations. The kingdoms were on the same island, after all. And now they have the same ruler.


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[Assistant] There was also the problem of competing visions. James believed in the divine right of kings. He illustrated his views in two of his published works, The True Law of Free Monarchies and Basilican Doran, which is Greek for royal gift.


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[Assistant] James believed he was chosen by God to rule, therefore the law was an extension of his power and Parliament was subordinate. Many in Parliament viewed the relationship differently. They believed a king ruled through partnership and cooperation with lawmakers.


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[Assistant] James was struck by the greatest tragedy that could befall a man who believed in the divine right of kings, the death of his firstborn son and heir.


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[Assistant] His younger brother, Charles, who'd adored his elder brother and tried to emulate him, would now be the successor to James. Back at Gwydie Castle, Sir John Wynne would suffer a similar tragic loss.


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[Assistant] Not long after the death of the heir to the throne, Prince Henry,


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[Assistant] The Wynn family and the Stuarts grew ever closer as Richard Wynn was appointed groom of the bedchamber to Charles, the new heir to the throne, and would join him on a wild and highly secretive voyage to Spain. But for now, both families were in deep mourning.


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[Assistant] But Anne would never see her finished Queen's house. She fell ill soon after construction began and died in 1619.


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[Assistant] If Anne did convert, well, even a Queen had to keep it a very tightly guarded secret. The lore of the Old Faith seems to have been present for the Wynne family at Gwydio Castle as well. But being a Catholic was a very dangerous endeavour.


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[Assistant] After the catastrophic defeat of Elizabeth and Frederick's forces at the Battle of White Mountain outside Prague in November 1620, James had to intervene.


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[Assistant] In February 1623, this group left England in disguise for a potentially perilous journey across Europe.


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[Assistant] The goal was to break the deadlock in the marriage negotiations with Charles, winning the hand of the Spanish Infanta in person. It was romantic, foolishly daring, and it was doomed.


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[Assistant] The group encounters a Spanish Jesuit priest who is preaching to the crowd.


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[Assistant] This king, I say, was the first who to satisfy his own lust and to bring his adulterous conception to his own heart's desire did.


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[Assistant] This is my body. They dare have the impudence to deny our Saviour's own words, saying it is but a sign and not the body and blood itself.


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[Assistant] Prince Charles wasn't likely to have much success on this Spanish subject.


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[Assistant] The Duke of Buckingham got into terrible quarrels with the Spanish equivalent.


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[Assistant] And so Prince Charles had to negotiate for himself. Hardly fitting for a future king.


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[Assistant] Charles was virtually cast out after bursting in on the young Infanta in her own private garden. The men returned home humiliated.


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[Assistant] Despite this combined pressure, James still refused to go to war.


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[Assistant] Courtiers look to the future, to Prince Charles, who would soon be King. By his side, in his endeavours, was Sir Richard, who would be promoted to First Gentleman of the Bedchamber.


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[Assistant] The winds had lost their firstborn son and heir at the same time as the Stuart, the royal family.


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[Assistant] To some, he's an intelligent, a flawed man who brought peace in a time of extremism.


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[Assistant] To others, he was stubborn, extravagant, and his belief in the divine right of kings sowed the seeds for his son's own clashes with parliament and the bitter English Civil War that was to come.


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[Assistant] In the next episode, we see how Charles I followed in his father's footsteps with his profound belief in the divine right of kings and a misplaced trust in the Duke of Buckingham.


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[Assistant] Charles' shunning of parliament and autocratic style of rule fueled enormous political and religious tensions in his kingdoms.


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[Assistant] A civil war would break out across the British Isles and in the end, the House of Stuart would fall and the Commonwealth, headed by a commoner called Oliver Cromwell, would rise in its place.


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[Assistant] The fall of the monarchy would be a nightmare for the Wynne family of North Wales. They would have to fight to survive in this new puritanical era.


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[Assistant] Charles I succeeded James I, who had inherited the throne from his mother, Mary, Queen of Scots, which had brought the two kingdoms together, but at such a bloody cost.


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[Assistant] Charles struggled to be the king that everyone longed for.


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[Assistant] The people were worn out by the austerity of Cromwell and the parliamentarian era, and ecstatically welcomed the new king.


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[Assistant] James II, the Catholic King of a Protestant country, was a disaster waiting to happen.


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[Assistant] In this series we're looking at the reign of the Stuart Kings through the lives of the Wynne family who lived here at Gwydir Castle in North Wales. The Wynne's rather prospered during the Stuart era.


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[Assistant] But it was during the reign of King Charles I that the connection between the two families grew closest.


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[Assistant] Charles I became King of England, Scotland and Ireland in 1625, succeeding his father, King James, the second Stuart monarch.


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[Assistant] As he'd made his way to Spain on that fateful journey in 1623, he'd been to Paris and there he met Henrietta Maria, daughter of the King of France, Henri IV.


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[Assistant] This is the Queen's House in Greenwich. The building was designed by the great architect Inigo Jones and it was intended as a gift from King James I to his wife, Anna of Denmark.


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[Assistant] Treasurer to the Queen Consort, Groom of the Bedchamber to the King. This meant he had the right to touch the King. A rare honour.


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[Assistant] Of course, it's also meant he prepared the new king for his many portraits. One of the king's very favourite artists was the exceedingly popular Anthony van Dyck.


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[Assistant] Despite a whirlwind start to his reign, Charles faced the same difficulties as his father, King James I.


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[Assistant] Sir Richard Wynne, the owner of Gwydir Castle here in North Wales, inherited his property and his titles from his father, Sir John Wynne. Richard's brother Owen was a raucous type, interested in a variety of subjects, including the mysterious business of alchemy.


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[Assistant] Owen preferred to stay here at the family home of Gwydir, while Richard was busy in the court of the new king, Charles I.


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[Assistant] He'd been a favourite of King James and had retained a considerable amount of influence over King Charles as well.


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[Assistant] It was a complete disaster. Through bad luck and incompetence, at least 1000 English soldiers died with nothing to show for it.


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[Assistant] But he couldn't protect the Duke of Buckingham from all the threats. On the 23rd of August 1628 Buckingham was stabbed to death in Portsmouth by a disgruntled army officer.


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[Assistant] Charles and the court mourned Buckingham deeply, but the rest of the country pretty much celebrated his death. The rift between king and country was growing deeper.


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[Assistant] Once Buckingham was dead, Sir Richard Wynne was one of King Charles' most trusted advisors. But he could also be viewed as one of the King's greatest benefactors. Richard's father Sir John Wynne had been offered a baronetcy by King James and bought it at a hefty price.


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[Assistant] Only Parliament could levy taxes so Stuart Mornex had to find new, inventive ways of acquiring funds if they were going to ignore Parliament, as King Charles liked to do. He generated new income through the highly unpopular ship money levy.


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[Assistant] This was essentially a tax intended for wartime, but it was now levied during peacetime. It had only been imposed on counties that lay on the coast, but it was now implied inland as well.


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[Assistant] Families like the Winds would be the ones footing this massive tax bill.


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[Assistant] England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland all had their own unique and combustible mix of Catholics and Protestants.


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[Assistant] Many also suspected Charles of secret Catholic sympathies. His wife was French. His attempts to help Protestant allies in Europe were seen as half-hearted. And together with his Archbishop of Canterbury, William Lord, Charles passed a series of anti-carbonist reforms. These were particularly unpopular in Scotland.


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[Assistant] Charles couldn't stand this affront to his authority, but he didn't have the funds to raise an adequate army. Scottish forces swept into England, seizing Northumberland and forcing the King to pay them for the privilege.


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[Assistant] Charles had no choice but to recall Parliament. Humiliated by the Scots and backed into a corner by his finances, Charles could not dismiss the members this time.


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[Assistant] Tensions were reaching boiling point in Ireland. Terrible killings took place between Catholics and Protestants.


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[Assistant] Rumours abounded. Parliament wanted to impeach Charles' Catholic wife, Henrietta Maria, for collusion with the rebels. That, for the King, was the last straw.


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[Assistant] Charles marched in the House of Commons with an armed guard to arrest who he thought were his enemies, the opposition ringleaders. But the Speaker refused to surrender the MPs. Not long afterwards, Charles left London, which was increasingly hostile to him. Further negotiations with the Parliament failed. Soon, both sides were raising armies at Nottingham.


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[Assistant] Charles on one side, Parliament on the other. Charles' belief in the divine right of kings was about to be severely tested.


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[Assistant] Charles set up his capital in Oxford. His strengths lay in the North and West, whereas Parliament had the wealthy London and the South East and control of the Navy.


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[Assistant] The initial battles of the Civil War were pretty much a draw, alongside intermittent and futile peace talks.


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[Assistant] 1645 was a turning point in the civil wars that so far been a stalemate.


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[Assistant] That Naesby defeat robed Charles of his best men, his artillery, his stores.


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[Assistant] And his grip over the royalist heartland of the West Country. Charles retreated to his capital, Oxford.


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[Assistant] Later, Charles headed for Conwy Valley in North Wales, where he had loyal support.


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[Assistant] It's believed that he came here to Gwydir Castle upon the invitation of Sir Richard Wynne.


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[Assistant] Sir Richard Wynne was at the side of King Charles as his brother Owen received this message at Gwydia.


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[Assistant] King Charles was running out of options. He was forced to surrender to the Scottish army on the 5th of May 1646. And after months of negotiation, Charles was given up into the custody of the English Parliament, essentially taken to prison.


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[Assistant] Charles didn't give a pope. He knew about growing divisions between the Scots and the English, and between Parliament and the New Model Army. So he had a plan.


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[Assistant] He made a secret agreement with the Scots. They would invade England, and with the help of the remaining royalist forces, return Charles to the throne.


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[Assistant] The second civil war, flamed into life in 1648. But it was brief.


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[Assistant] Parliament voted narrowly to continue negotiating with the King.


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[Assistant] But by now, the army and Oliver Cromwell thought Charles a tyrant who had to be removed.


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[Assistant] The trial of a king was something new in England. No existing court thought the trial legal, so Parliament had to create a special body to try Charles, and it met for the first time in Westminster Hall on the 20th of January 1649.


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[Assistant] Charles was accused of high treason, held responsible for all the death and destruction caused by the war.


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[Assistant] Of course, Charles didn't recognise the court's authority. He refused to enter a plea, insisting the trial was not only illegal by English law, but against God as well.


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[Assistant] He bade farewell to his children who were with him to the end.


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[Assistant] He requested two shirts so that he would not shiver from the cold.


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[Assistant] And so give the impression of being afraid.


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[Assistant] The House of Lords was abolished and executive power wielded by Parliament and its Council of State.


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[Assistant] The New Model Army was the most powerful force in Britain. With Oliver Cromwell in command, it swept aside all remaining military opposition.


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[Assistant] In the next episode of The Stuarts of Bloody Reign.


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[Assistant] The heir to the throne, Charles II, goes into hiding on the continent, where he is stunned by the news that his father has been put to death.


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[Assistant] However, the tides begin to turn back in the Stuart's favour with the death of Cromwell.


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[Assistant] Charles II finally came to the throne after years in exile following the execution of his father, Charles I, who had struggled to be the king that everyone longed for.


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[Assistant] The people worn out by the austerity of Cromwell in the parliamentarian era, and they ecstatically welcome the new king.


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[Assistant] In this series we're examining the reigns of the Stuart Kings through the lives of the Wynne family here at Gwydir Castle in North Wales.


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[Assistant] King Charles I was executed on the 30th of January 1649. The royalists had lost the civil war.


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[Assistant] The reign of the Stuarts appeared over. The entire system of monarchy appeared over. In its place was now the Commonwealth, a new system of government where England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland were ruled over by Oliver Cromwell, the Lord Protector.


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[Assistant] His son, Charles, attempted to muster forces in France and the Netherlands.


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[Assistant] The Wynne family at Gwydir Castle were deeply affected by the execution of Charles I. Sir Richard Wynne had lost both his king


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[Assistant] Sir Richard was heartbroken. He would never recover. And he died just a few months after King Charles was beheaded.


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[Assistant] Owen was a very different character. Bookish. Endlessly intrigued by the possibilities of alchemy.


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[Assistant] Joining him in his efforts would be another Foreign Member of Parliament, Sir Thomas Middleton.


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[Assistant] And Middleton's son-in-law, Sir Richard Wynn the Younger, son of Sir Owen.


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[Assistant] But although Cromwell's power was undoubtedly failing and the Commonwealth was weak, Ruth's rebellion was still put down.


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[Assistant] Even in its weakened state, Cromwell's Commonwealth has somehow hung on. But their disappointment wouldn't last for long.


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[Assistant] Across the English Channel, King Charles I's son and heir was patiently waiting in exile. Within a year, he'd be summoned back to London and a new Stuart King would be back on the throne.


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[Assistant] The Booth rebellion of 1659 had failed to bring down the Commonwealth, but it hadn't been totally in vain.


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[Assistant] The actions of Sir George Booth, Sir Thomas Middleton and Sir Richard Wynne the Younger had inspired another key figure of the era. George Monk, Governor of Scotland. Monk was a man of floating allegiance.


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[Assistant] But now in 1660 he was launching his own uprising. He led his army of loyal soldiers down from Scotland to London and no one could stop him. He became the most powerful man in the country. But Monk was not in the mould of Oliver Cromwell. There would be no new Lord Protector.


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[Assistant] He made overtures to the Stuart family in exile.


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[Assistant] Charles had spent most of his exile in the Dutch city of Breda, and on the 4th of April 1660, he issued the Declaration of Breda, promising a general pardon for crimes committed during the Civil War,


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[Assistant] Charles landed at Dover on May the 25th. He made his way to London, which he reached four days later. He had deliberately timed it, for he'd re-enter the city on his birthday.


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[Assistant] He was exactly 30 years old. The people of London were lining the streets. The crowds were so thick that it took seven hours to cross the still familiar city.


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[Assistant] Despite the general pardon offered by Charles in his declaration at Breda, not every crime was forgotten. Fifty people were deliberately excluded from Charles' acts of forgiveness. Nine men who'd signed his father's death warrant were executed.


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[Assistant] As for Oliver Cromwell, the man who usurped Charles' father, even after death, he would be held accountable.


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[Assistant] The sciences flourished as well, with luminaries such as Sir Isaac Newton and Robert Boyle expanding the horizons of human knowledge.


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[Assistant] Sir Owen Wynne would not get to see much of the Restoration. He died in the same year as King Charles II was crowned.


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[Assistant] The period that Sir Owen Wynne had lived under so cautiously in the last years of his life was now called the interregnum.


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[Assistant] Sir Owen's son, Sir Richard Wynn the Younger, freshly released from Carnarvon Castle, inherited the Wynn estate.


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[Assistant] Sir Richard Wynne's uncle had been such a key figure in the court of Charles I. There was no reason to believe that the Wynne family would not prosper once again, now that the Stuarts were back.


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[Assistant] King Charles II was finally on the throne and he needed a queen.


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[Assistant] Sir Richard Wynne the Younger would be a key part of this restored royal court, taking up the position of Chamberlain to Charles's new Queen.


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[Assistant] But just like his father, Charles married a Catholic.


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[Assistant] The worst outbreak of plague since the Black Death and the Great Fire of London.


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[Assistant] There had been large outbreaks throughout the 17th century, particularly in 1625 and 1636, but nothing as bad as this.


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[Assistant] By the spring of 1666, the outbreak had died down and it was deemed safe for the Stuarts to return to London. But just as life was returning to normal, yet another disaster unfolded.


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[Assistant] The Great Fire of London broke out on the 2nd of September, 1666. What began in a pudding lane bakery spread out of control and burned for three days straight.


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[Assistant] The fires gutted the medieval heart of the city, and the ancient St. Paul's Cathedral was utterly destroyed.


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[Assistant] The Dutch saw the fire as a divine retribution for the actions of the English Navy, and Rear Admiral Robert Holmes, who'd set the town of West Telishing ablaze in what became known as Holmes' Bonfire.


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[Assistant] King Charles II was facing battles on all fronts, just like the Stuart Kings who'd come before him.


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[Assistant] His capital burned to the ground. The economy in the doldrums. The only reason why he'd gone to war in the first place was to try to help the economy.


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[Assistant] Charles' longer brother James had suggested they seize lucrative colonial possessions from the Dutch to disrupt their trading dominance.


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[Assistant] The Netherlands may have been a smaller nation, but it had a far superior navy and much more money. Disasters such as the Great Fire of London further sucked England's ability to prosecute the war.


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[Assistant] By 1667, the Dutch controlled much of the waters around the south of England. They'd secured pivotal European alliances. And that June, they staged a devastatingly bold naval assault, dubbed the raid on the Medway. They attacked the English fleet.


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[Assistant] The treaty ending the war was signed in 1667 in the town of Breda where Charles had made his famous declaration that allowed him to return to the English throne several years earlier.


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[Assistant] Charles was humiliated, but it did at least bring the war to an end and allow London to be rebuilt.


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[Assistant] Charles encouraged the greatest architects to come forward with radical plans for the city. Had these been realised, London today would be a completely different place. But in the end, practicalities, money.


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[Assistant] But the buildings themselves were much changed. Here, the genius of Sir Christopher Wren did have the opportunity to shine, and his designs have made some of the most famous in the London skyline.


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[Assistant] As King Charles arranged for his city to be rebuilt, he was also building up the forces for another battle with the Dutch Republic that had so humiliated him. In secret, a new alliance was forged with Louis XIV of France. Together, they take on the Dutch.


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[Assistant] In 1670, King Charles II made a monumental decision. He signed a secret agreement with the French known as the Treaty of Dover.


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[Assistant] It promised religious toleration for all, including Catholics, and seemed to be a first step towards some kind of reconciliation between England and Rome following the great break of Henry VIII's reign.


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[Assistant] Parliament refused to fund the war until the declaration was withdrawn. Charles had to comply. But worse was to come for the King.


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[Assistant] Charles II had returned to England and so many across the country had had such high hopes.


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[Assistant] Despite having many children with his numerous mistresses, King Charles had no legitimate heirs with his wife, Catherine of Braganza.


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[Assistant] In the next episode of The Stuart's A Bloody Rain.


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[Assistant] We see how the committed Catholic James II ascends to the throne of England, succeeding his brother.


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[Assistant] What had seemed an impossibility decades earlier was now a reality.


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[Assistant] The religious tensions across the British Isles reached fever pitch, and they would test the loyalties of the Wynne family at Gwydir Castle in their relationship with the House of Stuart.


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[Assistant] James's own daughter Mary and her husband, the Protestant William of Orange of the Dutch Republic, were the greatest threat of all.


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[Assistant] This would spell the end of the House of Stuart and the beginning of the glorious revolution.


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[Assistant] At the Restoration, Charles II became a popular, if outrageous monarch.


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[Assistant] King Charles II died on the 6th of February 1685.


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[Assistant] He had ruled over England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland for quarter of a century.


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[Assistant] Following the restoration of the monarchy after the collapse of Oliver Cromwell's Commonwealth.


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[Assistant] Charles converted to the Catholic faith on his deathbed, and he would be succeeded by his younger brother, King James II, a man who had been Catholic for nearly two decades.


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[Assistant] In a country that was now officially Protestant, this was a grave concern. James II's reign would not last long.


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[Assistant] In this series, we've examined the reign of the four Stuart monarchs through the lives of the Wynne family, who lived here at Gwydir Castle in North Wales. The Wynnes owned hundreds of acres of land surrounding the castle, and they prospered enormously during the Stuart era.


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[Assistant] It was at this point that the connection between the Wynne family and the ruling Stuart dynasty was strongest of all, as Sir Richard Wynne was a close personal friend of King Charles I.


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[Assistant] But then, civil war broke out and the king was beheaded.


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[Assistant] Sir Richard Wynne never recovered and died just a few months after he witnessed his friend and King being publicly executed.


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[Assistant] Sir Owen Wynne had to care for the estate with his wife, Lady Grace, during the challenging period of Oliver Cromwell's rule.


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[Assistant] With the restoration of the monarchy and the return of King Charles II, the winds would prosper once again.


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[Assistant] This time, with Sir Owen's son, Sir Richard Winther Younger, back in the restored Royal Court. However,


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[Assistant] Along with her grandmother, Lady Grace, it was her job to maintain the winner's stage in the new era of the Restoration.


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[Assistant] Malley married Robert Bertie in 1678, later the Duke of Alcasta and Member of Parliament.


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[Assistant] The baronetcy that the Wynne family had gained during the reign of King James I could not be transferred through the female line, and so that was given to a junior branch of the Wynne family. And the Berties acquired the Gwydir estate.


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[Assistant] The Wynn family, one so powerful, was now losing influence and status. And so were the Stuarts.


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[Assistant] James held the title of the Duke of York from birth.


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[Assistant] At the age of 15, James managed to sneak away from his confines, disguised as a woman, and made it all the way to The Hague in the Netherlands.


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[Assistant] Continental Europe, where James would spend much of his life.


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[Assistant] Charles was even crowned in Scotland in 1651.


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[Assistant] 1673 was a critical year in the life of the future King James II. His first wife, Anne Hyde, who converted to the Catholic faith long before him,


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[Assistant] Died in 1671 and James was about to marry his second wife, Mary of Medina.


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[Assistant] There have been rumours abounding that he converted to the Catholic faith and he was now married to a Catholic bride from Italy. Those rumours now seem confirmed.


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[Assistant] By James the Refuser to make that oath required by the test act.


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[Assistant] To soothe the worried public, King Charles II arranged for James' daughter Mary to marry the Protestant William of Orange. James reluctantly consented to the match.


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[Assistant] In 1679, the exclusion bill was introduced into the House of Commons.


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[Assistant] If passed, it would have prevented James from inheriting the throne because he was Catholic.


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[Assistant] The exclusion bill was also having an impact at Gwydie Castle.


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[Assistant] Mally Wynn and her grandmother Lady Grace eagerly await correspondence from him as unrest spreads across the country at the thought of King Charles II's brother.


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[Assistant] James becoming the first Catholic Monarch.


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[Assistant] The bill bitterly divided the Commons. Indeed, parts of the modern British parliamentary system can be set a date from this dispute.


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[Assistant] Those who backed the exclusion bill became known as the Whigs. Those against became known as the Tories. The bill was finally defeated in 1681 when it was rejected by the House of Lords.


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[Assistant] King James II was crowned on April the 23rd, 1685, but almost immediately he faced a rebellion from his own nephew, the Duke of Monmouth.


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[Assistant] Monmouth was the eldest illegitimate son of King Charles II. He proclaimed himself the true king in Lymegis in Dorset. And his Monmouth rebellion attempted to overthrow King James II.


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[Assistant] Here at Goodyear, the situation was followed especially closely because Malie's husband Robert Bertie was a captain. I was now fighting on behalf of King James in the attempt to swiftly crush the rebellion.


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[Assistant] The Monmouth Rebellion was quickly dealt with, as was another rebellion in Scotland that occurred at the same time, known as Argyll's Rising, led by the Earl of Argyll. These two rebellions had been coordinated together


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[Assistant] Neither of them were able to drum up enough volunteers in the end.


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[Assistant] Both the Jupiter Monolith and the Earl of Argyle were captured and executed.


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[Assistant] The actions caused alarm in parliament. A standing army of such size was not at addition. And many of the chosen commanders were Catholics.


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[Assistant] This plays to Malley's husband, Lord Willoughby's position as captain under threat.


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[Assistant] The gunpowder plot of 1605 has seemed like a last desperate attempt to return a Catholic monarch to the throne.


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[Assistant] But now, with King James II, the seemingly impossible had happened.


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[Assistant] The new king's royal court was soon dominated by Catholics.


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[Assistant] In May 1686, James sought a ruling from the courts to show he had the power to dispense with Acts of Parliament. He fired judges who disagreed with him.


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[Assistant] The man thought to be the instigator of the Declaration of Indulgence was William Penn, the founder of Pennsylvania and member of a new religious movement that had arisen during Stuart Rule, Quakerism.


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[Assistant] On the 10th of June 1688, King James and his wife Mary of Medina had a son.


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[Assistant] According to the rules of pre-regeniture, this child was due to inherit the throne.


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[Assistant] But James already had two daughters from his first marriage, Mary and Anne, and they'd been raised Protestant according to the wishes of King Charles II.


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[Assistant] The people just about tolerated James' pro-Catholic rule because they knew his only possible successors were his Protestant daughters. But now, with the baby, there was a real threat of a permanent Catholic dynasty.


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[Assistant] And there's another pretty intriguing twist to this story. The child born to King James II and Mary of Medina was rumoured to be an imposter.


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[Assistant] The story went that the royal baby was stillborn and another child was smuggled in to replace him and ensure a Catholic succession.


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[Assistant] King James II knew he had a problem on his hands. He published testimonies of numerous witnesses who'd been present at the birth of his son. He also made plans to pack the next parliament with his supporters and cement his grip on power.


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[Assistant] But then news reached him of a fresh challenge to his authority. William of Orange, the husband of James's Protestant daughter Mary, was coming to England with an invasionary force. What became known as the Glorious Revolution had begun.


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[Assistant] William of Orange certainly had pedigree. He'd been involved in several battles with the Catholic King of France, and he was seen across Europe as a staunch defender of the Protestant faith. His armada of 463 ships carried 15,000 fighting men across the Channel.


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[Assistant] William landed his forces at Torbay on the 5th of November 1688. 83 years after Guy Fawkes' attempt to end the rule of Stuart Kings had failed, another attempt on another king, James, was about to begin. And this time, it wasn't going to fail.


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[Assistant] The Glorious Revolution is sometimes known as the Bloodless Revolution. While that's not literally the case, it certainly was very low on casualties.


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[Assistant] When William Orange's forces arrived on the English coast, the army of King James II that they were up against was twice the size.


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[Assistant] But William knew he had support among the English and his strategy was perfect.


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[Assistant] He gathered enough finances during his preparations for the war to pay his soldiers for three months in advance, meaning they were happy to delay any battle.


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[Assistant] Williams' patience paid off as James' troops soon started to defect. An anti-Catholic riot spread across the land. The brief reign of James II was collapsing and he knew it.


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[Assistant] Lord Willoughby Deresby advised his wife, Mally, to seek refuge in the relative safety of Griddier Castle, as support for William of Orange was spreading.


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[Assistant] Unwilling to make the compromises that might have saved his reign, James redid himself to flee the country. He ordered his unreliable army to disband. His wife and baby son left for France in early December.


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[Assistant] And when it came his turn to follow, James petulantly dumped the great seal in the Thames. Without it, no lawful parliament could be called. James fled to France to join his family. And William let him go.


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[Assistant] King James' escape to France was actually a total farce. The yacht that was meant to take him across the Channel was boarded by English fishermen. They had no idea who he was. They thought he was a Jesuit spy.


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[Assistant] He was kept prisoner for a week before the, uh, misunderstanding was rectified and he was even returned to London.


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[Assistant] William and Mary were declared joint monarchs.


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[Assistant] Just as the promise of a stable succession had been so important to the elevation of James VI to the throne as James I in 1603, so it was the peace and security embodied by William and Mary that ultimately secured that crown for them.


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[Assistant] James did not give up. He was planning an attempt to reclaim the throne. Just as his elder brother Charles had done.


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[Assistant] James died in exile in 1701, convinced he'd lost his throne because God had punished him for his adultery.


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[Assistant] His remains were destroyed during the French Revolution, and so too were his memoirs, meaning that we don't have an awful lot of his perspective, and we've got rather a lot of the opinions of his enemies. James' descendants made attempts to get that throne back.


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[Assistant] His son, the reported imposter, James Francis Edward, became known as the Old Pretender.


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[Assistant] There was another attempt in 1719 with Spanish support, but it was just as ineffective.


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[Assistant] Then in 1745, King James II's grandson, Bonnie Prince Charlie, made one final shot at the crown. But the country had moved on. King James II was the last Stuart King.


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[Assistant] The winds spanned the whole rise and fall of the Stuarts. Sir John Wynne is knighted in 1606, three years after James I came to the throne, one of the very first baronets.


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[Assistant] Charles I served loyally by Sir Richard Wynne, 2nd Baronet.


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[Assistant] The fourth baronet, Richard Wynne the Younger, was chamberlain to the Queen of Charles II.


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[Assistant] Lady Mary Wynn, the last of the winds, dies.


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[Assistant] Those four Stuart men who ruled England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland, each wrestled with similar problems. The scope, the nature of government was contested at this time as it never was before. It made their era divisive, often bloody.


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[Assistant] But the reigns of the Stuart Kings saw the beginnings of the modern British state, the unification of England and Scotland.


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[Assistant] The last death rattles of absolute monarchy and the rise of parliament as the dominant power in the land.


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[Assistant] Oh, don't worry, Mrs. Ames. I wouldn't marry your son if he were the last man on earth. Wild horses couldn't keep me in this town.


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[Assistant] Of course, he thinks I missed my train, but uh, confidentially I didn't.


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[Assistant] Yes, if you work those lands, you'll give us all a chance. Or we can lick that Jim Gardner to a frazzle.


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[Assistant] If I were going to be a dashing tycoon, I'd be dashing. I'd have automobiles and private railroad cars. I'd have a whole train. If I found someone I wanted, I'd sweep her right off her feet. I'd take her with me to the end of the line. All the way.


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[Assistant] They can't keep on working without food. They're dead tired and so are you. Is everything ready Bessie? I'll pour the coffee.


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[Assistant] Hey, that exists, pretty things, ain't it?


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[Assistant] Uh-huh. Just like my granny always says, the way to a man's heart is through his stomach.


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[Assistant] Daniel, someday I'm gonna be forced to whip you.


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[Assistant] No, I can't leave til closing time tonight. My signature goes to Washington on those contracts too, you know.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't mind if I do. There's nothing against that in the contracts.


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[Assistant] I'm mainly here to correct a major error that you people have been basing the faith on. What's that? Jesus wasn't white, Jesus was black!


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[Assistant] And I was like, whoa, okay, this is, it's finally a new romantic comedy.


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[Assistant] Uh, I consider every other romantic comedy in the last, whatever, 15 years to be basically a ripoff of Andy Hall. Chasing Amy is a new kind of romantic comedy. But we're here to talk about Dogma. And once I saw Chasing Amy, I was like, I gotta work with this guy.


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[Assistant] I get a script. First Harvey tries to get me to do a movie about a bunch of rappers on a bus. Harvey being? Harvey Weinstein. And I couldn't do the bus movie.


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[Assistant] It shows a lack of faith in God, when you really think about it. Because if you really believe in God, then he's powerful. He's all-knowing. He's all-knowing and all-powerful and can pretty much handle everything.


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[Assistant] He himself, so to me the catholic league or whoever is protesting is actually, actually dissing God more than this movie ever will.


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[Assistant] Play had been something they'd all lived with in these houses.


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[Assistant] Forever. I mean, they were well used to outbreaks of the play, not just in London, but local outbreaks as well.


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[Assistant] Sir Johnman was one of the first baronets, and the reason was that he was perceived to be the senior knight of Wales, really. There were two of Wales.


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[Assistant] His extraordinary dominance in all public affairs in North Wales meant that he was going to be on the list.


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[Assistant] He's very much over the period in that he's canny.


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[Assistant] It's interesting that of course James I loses his eldest son, Prince Henry.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and Sir John Wynne loses his eldest son, uh, Sir John Junior. So they're both in the same sort of position in that sense where, uh, the second sons have to take over. So it's interesting that Sir Richard takes over that courtly role and ends up serving Charles, who is himself the number two.


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[Assistant] religiously, because this is such a dangerous time, you're not going to wear that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, she certainly came from an old, uh, old faith family, the Gerards of Lancashire.


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[Assistant] I think it's pretty clear reading between the lines that she remained Catholic. But it was a secret. She was a crypto-Catholic.


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[Assistant] Kill your estate. The fines are so horrendously large that you can bleed out the estate and that'll be the end of that. So if on principle you want to do that, fine, a lot of people did it. But most people actually just towed the line.


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[Assistant] And they, they went to church and, and they did their Abesians. And uhm,


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[Assistant] Privately, they might have thought otherwise. I think there was a lot of what one might flippantly call sort of cafeteria Catholicism going on, particularly with people like Sir John Nguyen.


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[Assistant] The Spanish trip was an extraordinary fiasco really, and marvellously amateurish and silly. It was like a sort of...


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[Assistant] Adolescent Jape in some ways. To think that this would be anything other than a diplomatic disaster, which of course it was.


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[Assistant] Uh, was, was pretty naive, but off they went, uhm, Prince Charles and Duke of Buckingham and, and of course, Sir Richard Wynne.


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[Assistant] Sir Richard had a very low opinion of Spain. He said there's no land worth speaking of and the worst counties of North Wales are better than what he saw in.


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[Assistant] Castile and Aragon. He's quite dismissive of it. But they have all sorts of adventures and of course...


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[Assistant] The one thing they don't come back with is, is any sensible deal on the infant's hand. They manage to sort of wreck.


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[Assistant] The whole business of adopting disguises as traveling gentlemen and calling yourself Mr. Smith and all this sort of thing is, it's entirely silly. It's very adolescent.


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[Assistant] In the year of the coronation of marriage 1625, Sir Richard Wynne is supposed to have planted out these twelve sacklings that he brought back from Spain in 1623, which are the famous cedars here at Gwydda.


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[Assistant] There are three that survive. These are the earliest statement of royalism, which is going to be a feature.


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[Assistant] When finally the king is taken, it's interesting that Sir Richard Wynne, of course,


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[Assistant] Uhm, already when he was prince, uh, and going all the way through, having carried his robes at the coronation, having been with him, uh, on a drunken jaunt in Spain, having done all those things with the king and then ultimately with the queen later.


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[Assistant] It must have been terrifyingly difficult for anyone to cope with.


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[Assistant] It's interesting that Sir Richard Wynne just sort of fizzles out and a few months after the execution of the King, he's dead. He's dead himself.


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[Assistant] In the 19th century they would have romantically said he died of a broken heart. But he really had no purpose. He sort of fizzled out. It's a sort of unspecific illness. I think just wasted away. Probably through grief.


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[Assistant] It wasn't easy for Paul Ronson when he was the third son and he was the more bookish one. He wasn't the sort of glamorous courtier.


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[Assistant] Brother Richard had been, and so he was given all the kind of difficult jobs. He had to look after the estate for his brother. His brother gave him an allowance to do so.


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[Assistant] He and of course Lady Grace's wife. So, it can't have been easy during the Civil War, having all of this going on, being twice sacked, being seriously squeezed in terms of finances.


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[Assistant] When Booth Revolt happens in 1659, it is Sir Thomas Middleton and Sir Richard Wynne.


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[Assistant] They are rising North Wales at the same time as George Booth is rising.


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[Assistant] But the problem is, these were the only two areas that did rise, so the full weight of the New Model Army under General Lambert were there waiting for them, and they didn't stand a chance as you can imagine. Uhm, Sir Richard Wynne is, is


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[Assistant] Uh, caught in the fallout of that. Obviously he's one of the casualties of being mopped up. And, uh, he's dragged off to Carnarvon Castle, uh, where he's a prisoner.


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[Assistant] Even though the Great Rising didn't happen and it was put down, nevertheless, all eyes were on it and at that moment, George Monk makes his move.


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[Assistant] And he could have been king, of course, and in fact the throne was offered to him.


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[Assistant] It's something that they were pretty wised up to and there are accounts of


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[Assistant] Uh, bolts of cloth, for example, being sent up from London, which would be kept outside the gates of Guida for up to two weeks. So the carters would not be allowed into the, uh, the main, the great court. Uh, they'd be kept outside by the porter and they would observe for two weeks.


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[Assistant] They knew that one thing was certain, if you have an infected cargo that came into somewhere like Gwydda, the house would get it.


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[Assistant] After the Declaration of Indulgence, uh, things become obviously much easier for, uh, not just Catholics, but, but crypto-Catholics. We don't know precisely, uh, where Sir Richard Wynne the Younger stood on this.


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[Assistant] But we know that he's the Chamberlain of Queen Catherine of Braganza, and we know that he's trying to get a stained glass cross for the new chapel he's building in 1673-4. If you look at the chapel, you would think it was a Catholic chapel actually.


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[Assistant] Who becomes the sort of grand choreographer of all of this is her grandmother, Lady Grace Wen, who survives


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[Assistant] Uhm, as the matriarch, this powerful figure of the past. And she...


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[Assistant] From that moment, the direct connection of the winds to the land and the landscape and the people of North Wales stops because it becomes


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[Assistant] A secondary estate, it becomes an additional part of the Willoughby Derrisby Empire, which was in itself quite huge. They were a Lincolnshire family based at Grimsthorpe Castle.


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[Assistant] The difficulty with James II was everyone knew he was Catholic. Uh, it was not something he could hide, and not something he wanted to hide either.


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[Assistant] And that meant he was okay because he didn't have to do any signing, he didn't have to do any othing.


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[Assistant] Lord Willoughby Darrisby is holding office under James II, but also interestingly, he's captain of a troop of horse under King James, fighting, uh, at the Battle of Sagemore in 1685. So against the Duke of Monmouth in the Monmouth Rebellion. That's very interesting.


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[Assistant] This is what I do when I'm back in my room. I take off my clothes and put on my nightgown.


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[Assistant] I look for the pat of butter in the toe of my right shoe, where I hid it after dinner.


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[Assistant] I can get most of the butter off the shoe lining with a washcloth or some toilet paper from the bathroom tomorrow. I rub the butter over my face, work it into the skin of my hands.


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[Assistant] There's no longer any hand lotion or face cream, not for us. Such things are considered vanities. We are containers. It's only the insides of our bodies that are important.


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[Assistant] The outside can become hard and wrinkled for all they care, like the shell of a nut.


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[Assistant] This was a decree of the wives, this absence of hand lotion. They don't want us to look attractive. For them, things are bad enough as it is. The butter is a trick I learned at the Rachel and Leah Center. The Red Center, we called it. Because there was so much red.


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[Assistant] And I will smell like an old cheese. But at least it's organic, as they used to say.


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[Assistant] In the semi-dark, I stare up at the blind plaster eye in the middle of the ceiling, which stares back down at me, even though it can't see. There's no breeze. My white curtains are like gauze bandages, hanging limp.


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[Assistant] Glimmering in the aura cast by the searchlight that illuminates this house at night. Or is there a moon? I fold back the sheet, get carefully up on silent bare feet in my nightgown. Go to the window like a child. I want to see the moon on the breast of the new fallen snow. The sky is clear, but hard to make out because of the searchlight. But yes,


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[Assistant] I walk, one foot set carefully down than the other, without creaking along the runner.


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[Assistant] As if on a forest floor, sneaking my heart quick through the night house. I am out of place. This is entirely illegal. Down past the fish eye on the hall wall, I can see my white shape of tented body, hair down my back like a mane, my eyes gleaming. I like this. I am doing something on my own. The active, is it a tense? Tensed. What I would like to steal is a knife.


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[Assistant] From the kitchen. But I'm not ready for that. I reach the sitting room. Door is ajar. Slip in. Leave the door a little open. A squeak of wood. But who's near enough to hear?


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[Assistant] I stand in the room, letting the pupils of my eyes dilate like a cat's or owl's.


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[Assistant] There's a slight mist of light coming through the cracks around the closed drapes, from the searchlight outside.


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[Assistant] Where two men doubtless patrol, I've seen them from above, from behind my curtains. Dark shapes, cutouts. Now I can see outlines, gleams.


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[Assistant] From the mirror, the bases of the lamps, the vases, the sofa looming like a cloud at dusk.


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[Assistant] As if I'd scream. As if it's alright. I turn. A shape, that's all. Dull glint of cheekbone, devoid of color. He steps towards me. Nick.


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[Assistant] What are you doing in here? I don't answer. He too is illegal. Here with me. He can't give me away. Nor I him. For the moment we're mirrors. He puts his hand on my arm. Pulls me against him. His mouth on mine. What else comes from such denial? Without a word. Both of us shaking. How I'd like to.


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[Assistant] In the dark parlor, we move away from each other. Slowly.


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[Assistant] Debbie's body was lying naked on the floor. She had a cord wrapped around her neck.


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[Assistant] People started calling in about Ron Williamson and Dennis Fritz. The town was in disbelief. And then two years later, Denise Hareway disappeared.


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[Assistant] We just don't expect the police to play dirty. It's all about winning.


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[Assistant] And along the way, if the truth gets blurred, there was no evidence of stab wounds, or twisted, everything about their confession has been proven wrong. That's too bad.


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[Assistant] I believe the men who are in jail are not the men who did it. They're a replacement for the real people. This is going to happen again. Don't think otherwise.


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[Assistant] Is this supposed to clap? Mr. Park is very sorry.


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[Assistant] And how are you this morning, sir? All right, I think. Thank you for asking. Missing her, of course, but that should be expected.


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[Assistant] Upon in dwelling on her absence, we must K.B.O. Yes, sir. Keep buggering on at all times, sir.


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[Assistant] It is my belief that by the end of the year, there will possibly be three or even four times our strength.


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[Assistant] And in a short distance away there dwells a nation of nearly 70 millions who were taught from childhood.


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[Assistant] The thing of war and conquest is a glorious exercise, comma, and, uh, death in battle as man's noblest fate. Stop. Mr. Churchill. Oh, I think your pardon misses me. To urge preparation of defense is not to assert the imminence of war. On the contrary.


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[Assistant] If war was imminent, preparations for defense would be too late. However, calmly invade.


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[Assistant] A kind of tremendous, fat, valuable cow died up to attract the beast of prey. We cannot retreat. We cannot move London.


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[Assistant] Thank you for your letter. I'm delighted you had such an exciting time in Madras. Stop. Mr. Philip sounds the most agreeable and adventurous companion. Stop. I've decided


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[Assistant] Which does the work of ten men, and will therefore please the accountant.


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[Assistant] Diana, I know, has written to you about her intended divorce. A sad business, but probably all for the best.


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[Assistant] I dealt with the situation very clumsily, I'm afraid.


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[Assistant] I wish profoundly that you'd been there to offer comfort and advice.


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[Assistant] Your dear letters are the only bright spot in my life, Clemmie.


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[Assistant] And that's incurring the wrath of Stanley Baldwin, which pleases me no end.


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[Assistant] Our country can only be safe if it is strong.


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[Assistant] Alright, alright. Since you're the most irritating club that ever walked the earth. I was in the middle of a letter to my wife and now I've completely lost my train of thought. Idiot! Have you no sensitivity whatsoever?


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[Assistant] They call me a war monger because I speak the blunt truth. Baldwin is behind all this. Stanley bloody Baldwin. No better than an epileptic corpse.


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[Assistant] The axles creak and the couplings strain. The pace is hot and the points are near. And sleep has deadened the driver's ear. And the signals flash through the nights in vain. For death is in charge of the clattering train.


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[Assistant] Does the, uh, does the name Terence Philip mean anything to you? Terence Philip, yes. Art dealer, I think. Anything known? Good looking. Rather dashing, plenty of money. His father was rich. Married? No.


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[Assistant] Lemmy seems, uh, to be quite some here with him. She keeps mentioning him. Oh, he's on the boat with her. He is.


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[Assistant] Don't be ridiculous. She loves you, Winston, very deeply. And I'm a rotten husband. Nonsense.


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[Assistant] It's very easy, romantic type, you know, all that sort of stuff. You never got much of that from me.


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[Assistant] We never seemed important, even when I was young. Daisy Fellows?


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[Assistant] You may laugh, Desmond Morton, but I think about it all the time. Clemmie and that fella. She'll be home soon, Winston.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure that I believe that.


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[Assistant] I hear he's much in demand. All the hostesses in London want him at their dinner table.


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[Assistant] Did you fall in love with him?


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[Assistant] There may be a war. I grant you that.


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[Assistant] And one day we were talking about what we would do when we were grown up. And I don't know why I said this, or why I thought it. But I said, one day in the future, Britain will be in great danger. And it will fall to me to save London and the Empire.


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[Assistant] Destiny is what I believe in. Destiny commands. We must obey.


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[Assistant] All over Europe, it is the hush of suspense. And in many lands, it is the hush of fear. During these last few years, the world has grown gravely darker. We have steadily disarmed, partly with a sincere desire to give a lead to other countries.


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[Assistant] Partly to the severe financial pressure of the time. But a change must now be made.


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[Assistant] We must not continue longer on a course in which we alone are growing weaker, while Damanhur is growing stronger.


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[Assistant] We've, uh, had our differences, profound differences. But I've always admired your great political skills.


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[Assistant] Who had turned out from Whitehall. I know. Pretty bloody awful.


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[Assistant] However, my dear, you'll be very proud of him.


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[Assistant] People often act heroically because they don't fully appreciate the dangers that lie ahead. Rafe saw those dangers and was afraid of them. But he did what he did in spite of his fear. No man can be braver than that.


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[Assistant] Any invading force would march across our little bit of England on their way to London.


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[Assistant] Not in the House of Commons, Senator. The Admiralty! For the Navy to run.


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[Assistant] Marvelous that we say it. Today, I conquer or die.


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[Assistant] Are we rash enough to marry me? Foolish enough to stay with me?


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[Assistant] We're powerless. Hitler's preparing to tear the world apart. And we can do nothing.


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[Assistant] Hundreds of thousands of people will die. Millions. And I shall be responsible.


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[Assistant] How can you say that? It's just mindless optimism.


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[Assistant] Schoolboy fantasy. I wanted to play for England and not climb Everest. My destiny.


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[Assistant] On today's show, Charles Robinson, he's a Yahoo reporter, very good writer, very good reporter. He's been all over the Deshaun Watson story. He's gonna join us in just a little bit. Also, Robert Smith.


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[Assistant] Euclid High School's Robert Smith and of course Ohio State Buckeye, Minnesota Viking. Terrific career as an NFL player. All around great guy too. But Robert's one of my all time favorites. He's going to join us on the program.


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[Assistant] And it'll be fun because as he's saying goodbye, Leroy Hoard's coming on, so they'll cross paths. And I hope that we have as much fun with that this week as we had with the similar thing last week with Keith Byers and Leroy Hoard. So that should be fun. That's coming up. Jay, a couple quick reactions.


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[Assistant] The sad part about that is I usually don't need help getting mic'd up. Do I Steve? The director in there. Today he wanted to do something a little different.


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[Assistant] You can book it. Yeah, it's a big range. It's a bold statement. I think that we kind of were leaning towards the lower end of that, but according to Florio's report, there are sources that are telling him that the Browns are bracing for the higher end of that.


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[Assistant] Maybe they're just getting ready for worst case scenario, but they're bracing for the higher end of that, which would be eight games. So let's start our discussion this way. Let's say it's eight games.


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[Assistant] And you've got Jacobi Berset starting at quarterback for the first eight games. For those that don't remember, here's the way the schedule plays out. Panthers, Jets, Steelers, Falcons, Chargers, Patriots, Ravens, Bengals. What's their record when Watson comes back?


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[Assistant] For this discussion, it's just brissette. Yeaah. I'm going your avenue, I'm going safe, and I'm saying four and four.


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[Assistant] I just look at the talent around whoever the quarterback is. This talent is playoff caliber talent. And if you have playoff caliber talent, you should be able to adjust to missing the best and most important player on your team. Right.


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[Assistant] I think Stefanski will be able to game plan to his personnel. We're gonna see a heavy dose of the run. We should.


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[Assistant] I think we should anyhow. Uhm, but I, I think that if we become too predictable on the run, that could be a problem too. When teams know what you're going to do, they're going to stop it. So I, but I think Stefanski, he knows all of that. I think he's going to be smart. I think they'll come through this safely at four and four. And if they do guys.


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[Assistant] And they get Watson back for the last nine games of the season. I've got them going six and three.


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[Assistant] To make the playoffs. Now, I mean, that would be 10 and 7, and there's no guarantee that that could be in the playoffs. That's true. So, you know, he might have to go 7 and 2, and that's a big ask for a guy that hasn't seen the football field in 23 months. It would be 23 months at that point.


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[Assistant] He could play, Watson could play in the preseason. You have 12 quarters of football in the preseason. If you're Stefanski, how are you splitting those 12 quarters between Brissette, a guy who will be running the offense for the first half of the season, and Watson, a guy who hasn't played football in a year and


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[Assistant] We can continue the interview. So hey Charles, uhm, first of all, thanks for joining us. We greatly appreciate it. I want to start by, and I know this is, this is really tough and we hate when it, when, when others do it and yet we do it all the time, but best educated guess here on when we might get a ruling.


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[Assistant] Is, is it realistic to expect this before training camp starts, which is what, like eight days away now?


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[Assistant] Charles, you've been out in front on a lot of the different scoops and the stories that we've seen come out of this story. And I want to talk specifically about one. I'm pretty sure you were the, you were the reporter that broke the news that the NFL would not appeal.


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[Assistant] If it was less than a year. Am I right on that? That was your story?


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[Assistant] I remember that, but the reason I bring that up is because I think you quoted a league source. And the very next day, Mary Kay Cabot had a story and she also, she's a local writer here, covers the Browns for Cleveland.com.


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[Assistant] She, uh, she refuted it completely and said that according to a league source that, uh, they, they absolutely would appeal that. And, and that they wouldn't be happy with anything less than a year.


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[Assistant] Obviously there's two different sides of thinking inside the NFL office. Do you get a sense?


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[Assistant] Which camp has more power inside the NFL and whether or not they would or would not appeal if that suspension came in less than a year?


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[Assistant] It is very interesting. We talked about that yesterday. Charles, excellent context because I think that's a point that hasn't really been made that needed to be made.


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[Assistant] Everybody's gotta wait until Sue L. Robinson writes her opinion.


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[Assistant] Then a decision, and only then can a decision be made as to whether or not they disagree with it and they want to appeal. And also his point on the divide in the front. Yeaah, you can take four people in any sector


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[Assistant] And you're gonna, you're gonna find differing viewpoints on this topic. It's very polarizing. Thanks Charles. Charles Robinson, thanks A for your reporting. You've been all over this and thanks for spending time with us on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. We'll get you a Cleveland Guardian's hat for your next appearance.


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[Assistant] Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports. Charles, excellent job. Thank you very much.


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[Assistant] I thought, I thought that really brought a lot of clarity to his reporting and which he has been on this from Jump. But I loved what he said about


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[Assistant] Let's everybody take a breath after the decision is in. Right. Because first there's going to be a knee-jerk. What? Right. And then read, read her opinion. Why did she find the way she... Right. Because you know what we haven't even really considered and this is very possible and a lawyer told me this a couple of days ago.


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[Assistant] There are definitely pieces of evidence that none of us know about. Sure.


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[Assistant] We, it's really hard to formulate an opinion one way or another. And in the past we've never gotten any. All we got was this.


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[Assistant] No kidding! Wow, that's interesting. Uhm, on the record thing, the 4 and 4, one thing that's really, I was getting so depressed. Okay, we got Robert Smith. Oh, okay. Alright, I'll just make one point really quickly. I was going through this and I said, man, if they go 3 and 5, the season's kind of over. Well, not definitely.


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[Assistant] I know, doesn't it work, it really works. I think it was Mikey McNuggets, our producer. Oh no, it was Anthony. Anthony our associate producer.


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[Assistant] I mean, you got Bill Murray, you got Ackroyd, you got Robbie Dangerfield. One of the all-time classic sports comedies in my mind. Hey, uh, Robert, uh, first of all, we're going to get to the Brown stuff and all of that, but I really want to start with you with Ohio State. So much in the way of expectations for this team this year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not going to mention any names, but, uh, we had a conversation on the set about that a while ago.


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[Assistant] The greatest thing you've ever experienced and, and just give us a, fill us in a little bit about your life and how things are now.


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[Assistant] All you can ask. Their loves become your loves. Robert, before we let you go, we want to cross paths with, uh, with a mutual friend. I think you know who we're talking about. Leroy Hoard on the program now. So once again, we have a Buckeye and a Wolverine.


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[Assistant] How can that not be in the top 10? Leroy, you're right, but how do you explain his drop off last year? Do you attribute most of that to injury? Yes, they were 83 before he got hurt.


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[Assistant] I gotta tell you, Huntley played pretty good. You do?


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[Assistant] Well, listen, listen, I always say it's all about the W's and L's. Period.


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[Assistant] Right, but I think after we saw him for a week we did, but I want to go back to your point Leroy. I think you might have hit the nail on the head because a lot of folks are saying did the league catch up to him? Was it the injuries?


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[Assistant] The fact that there was no running game there and they became easier to defend.


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[Assistant] He was the guy, along with the tight end, and I think you might see Lamar just skyrocket back to where he was at an MVP level next year. Once they get that running back and the backfield healthy again, he might turn into old Lamar Jackson like that. But Jay, that's what a team is.


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[Assistant] Hey, I have to ask you this before we let you go. Two things. What's your current handicap? And when you golf with LT, the real LT, the original LT, who won?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, that's good. That's really good. So are you a single digit handicap as we say goodbye? Yes. Wow. All right. I'm getting strokes then.


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[Assistant] Vegas has put out on what kind of season Chubbs can have.


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[Assistant] What happened though, Sean Springs was covering Thai streets early in the third quarter and it was raining and Sean got tripped up.


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[Assistant] And Ty blew right past him. It was an 86 yard touchdown and that was the game. The weather got bad in the second half and they didn't score.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, yeaah, the All-Star game last night was, was, I, I, on, on one hand it was a great game because it came down to the last inning, obviously, but it was boring as hell. It was. The American League scored two in the first.


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[Assistant] Thanks to back to back home runs, Jose Ramirez was on base for Stanton's home run. That made it 2-2 and then Buxton hit the game winning home run.


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[Assistant] And that was, that was it. Pitching was dominant besides those two innings. But the Guardians were special.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. But I'll tell you. How's it a generational thing? They're younger. As I was texting with friends last night, watching the game, the older friends hated the uniforms. All of the younger friends were like, they need to do that every year.


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[Assistant] I like that better. That was always what they've traditionally done. It's too much. I will say this, uhm, it was tough to pick out at times some of the players because of that. You always knew if you saw the shortstop was wearing a Cardinals uniform, you didn't necessarily say, that's Ozzy.


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[Assistant] And it was a little tough when they were all, cause you're not used to an all-star game, everybody in baseball wearing the same uniform. I thought, I thought two things.


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[Assistant] Uh, Fox did an absolutely tremendous job with the production of the game. They had 72 microphones. So many players were mic'd up. The Big Poppy interview in the dugout was absolute hilarity.


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[Assistant] The conversations with the players during the game was special. I particularly like the pitcher catcher conversations where they're calling pitches. I need to see that in a regular season.


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[Assistant] Listen, I'm hoping that, and we had this conversation just before the show started, I am hoping that baseball understands that this is what the sport needs.


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[Assistant] The younger kids that have left the sport because it's boring will love this. They will absolutely eat this up.


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[Assistant] That he was a hell of a lot better than they thought he was. Yea, he's great. Because when you heard his voice on a, you just saw, this is something I gotta stop and watch. Something big's going on.


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[Assistant] That was the other thing that I loved. Cause you know what? No, nobody has an appreciation for what 103 miles an hour looks like because the overhead or the behind center field camera shot does that no justice. Ryan Heisey threw it. But when you see, yeah, he did. Oh my God. When you see that from an umpire's cam.


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[Assistant] You realize how quick that hitter has to A.


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[Assistant] pitch recognition. Is it a fast ball or is it off speed pitch? Especially if your, his curve ball was 32 miles an hour slower than his fast ball.


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[Assistant] That is, that's unbelievable. But you can really appreciate it when you're looking at it from that angle. How quick that gets out of his hand and into the catcher's glove. And it gives a whole new appreciation for how great all of these hitters are.


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[Assistant] Was it CC Sabathius? Someone, one of the players' son.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, baseball. Let's talk about how you grow the game of baseball. We just spent about five minutes talking about that. And we also need to see more of what we saw last night. You didn't get to see it in the game. This happened in the news conference. Clayton Kershaw, who pitched the first inning, pitched well for the Dodgers.


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[Assistant] He, at his news conference, he was told that as he was leaving his news conference that there was a young kid in attendance that wanted to deliver a message. And McNuggets, is this going to roll or is this...