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[Assistant] He did miss an extra point in that game. He didn't attempt any field goal. Did they lose? They lost to the Bears, right?


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[Assistant] They, they lost the first time they played the Bears. They, they beat them the second time. No.


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[Assistant] Ah, okay, my bad. So, so then he missed the extra point in the game, they lost.


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[Assistant] Now it wasn't a game winning, you know, it wasn't like a cost in the game and that's why they cut him. So I wanted to know why was Riley Patterson cut? Because the numbers are good. And it was no like big moment where he missed a big kick.


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[Assistant] They've been good, he's been good. And so I said, well, what, what happened here? So I...


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[Assistant] So Patterson apparently lost his job to Michael Badgley, who used to be with the Chargers. Apparently, Badgley and Patterson


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[Assistant] Every week in practice, because Badgley was I guess on their practice squad, uh, were, you know, kicking, kicking balls. Uh, they were practicing kicking. They were busting balls. Busting balls.


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[Assistant] Uh, for the last bunch of to their special teams co his name, he said that


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[Assistant] Was doing a better job, and that's why they got rid of this guy. But he, you know, because at first I was like, well why'd they cut him? Because he hadn't missed, like, usually when a guy gets cut during the season, either his overall numbers are bad, or he missed a really big kick in a big spot. Didn't happen here.


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[Assistant] Listen, and, and he's 50% in his career on, on 50 plus yard field goals. Three of six. He only attempted two this year, one of two.


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[Assistant] So, and the Lions were not, this is an interesting kid, but here, the Lions were not using him to punt, uh, to kick off. Ooh, the Lions punter, Jake Fox.


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[Assistant] Was their kickoff guy. Now, he was in Jacksonville last year and he did do kickoff so obviously he can do it.


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[Assistant] But, are we, how, what's our confidence level for you guys? You know, obviously Hopkins was just kind of a guy before he came here. Here he was great. What do we think of this guy? Coming in, good numbers.


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[Assistant] He was with the Lions his first year, the Jags his second year, so warm weather, and then back with the Lions.


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[Assistant] Uh, next, once we get to the playoffs where it matters, right, if he has to kick the first week, it's probably going to be in either Miami, Houston, or in a dome in Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] One thing I will say that's a positive for this guy is, he kicked in the playoffs last year. Cause he was with Jacksonville last year. And they played two playoff games, remember they had the big comeback against the Chargers, and they had that close game with the Chiefs that they got eliminated in. He was 3 for 3 field goals in the playoffs, he was 4 for 4 in his extra points. I don't remember if any of the field goals were over 50.


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[Assistant] But he was, he was perfect. So he's been in those pressure situations at least last year and another positive is that he's been kicking this year.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, I think you're 100% right on that. There's no way you can thump the fuck. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] Guys, now let's flip to the punter. So the punter, Matt Hawk is a guy who obviously has a connection with Bubba Ventrone because he was the punter in Indianapolis in 2022. So he was his punter last year. He's been in the league for a long time. He's actually, I think he's played like


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[Assistant] Uhm, so he's got plenty of experience. He doesn't, he has not been a guy that has ever really been a kickoff guy, so I would assume the kicker who didn't do it this year but did it last year is gonna be the kickoff guy.


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[Assistant] In terms of the punter, you know, I'm a lot less worried about him than the kicker.


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[Assistant] Mike, real quick before we switch it up. Jason, yesterday we had a debate.


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[Assistant] Who could the Browns less afford to lose? Do you know about this? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] If he were 70% that guy, I guess they could. The odds of him being better are almost nothing.


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[Assistant] Before you do, we do have, we have Mary Kay coming up next hour. We also have Mike's, uh, six pack of, uh, six packs of nugget questions.


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[Assistant] They have NOTHING besides Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson. By the way they have a guy in defense named Bryce Hall. Breece Hall and Bryce Hall.


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[Assistant] There's something wrong. There's been something wrong with my brain all day. I gotta go to the doctor. I was in the post office this morning and I did like three things wrong. I did something wrong. I think I've not gotten enough sleep the last few days. I can't even say.


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[Assistant] Can you even name, like if I said you, who's the third best player on the Jets offense? Can you name him? Alan Lazard.


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[Assistant] They have no good tight end. They have one good receiver. Tyler Conklin. They got one good back. You don't like Tyler Conklin? He's just a guy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's nothing. They have two good players. Wait a minute!


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[Assistant] He's on IR. And he's hurt. Listen. Garrett Wilson.


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[Assistant] Really good player. What the hell is he gonna do? He's got no quarterback and he's got good players that he's gotta deal with. He ain't doing crap in this game.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Now, Breeze Hall is a really good player. And next year, I think he's going to be fantastic because they have, they have kind of, you know, kept his carries down coming off the injury last year. What is he averaging per carry? Because it's got to be really good.


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[Assistant] He must have had like one or two really, really bad games because I feel like...


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's a threat, but that's it. They got two guys, and...


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[Assistant] In the end, we've talked about this for far too long, so let's keep it moving, Mike.


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[Assistant] I've seen enough of Jerome Ford, I don't need to see any more. Exactly. I-I-I'm trying- I was trying to find out if there were any veteran free agents out there. I-I don't care.


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[Assistant] I don't think the offensive line is, is run blocking very well. Well.


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[Assistant] Well, they graded out terribly in PFF, didn't they? They did. I can't find a free agent running back list.


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[Assistant] By the way, it's a disturbing trend here. For the second week in a row, you gave the total yardage and the number you said was different than the number on the graphic.


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[Assistant] They really don't, but not when you got 16, 17 games. You know, those guys might have been hurt for a year. It's one year, you have four, it's a weird season. That's, that's incredible. That is a wild stat.


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[Assistant] By the way, Randy Moss, 5 or more touchdowns in 12 of his first 13 years, but in his 9th year he only had 3. Uh, sorry Mike. The miles carat thing is a real conundrum in terms of Defensive Player of the Year.


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[Assistant] He was putting up huge sack numbers early, right, and it comes down to...


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[Assistant] Uh, who's voting on this? If you look, and what you think of, you know, all these...


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[Assistant] Uh, but Miles Garrett at this point on the traditional numbers is significantly behind T.J. Watt and a couple other guys in the traditional numbers.


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[Assistant] You think he'd win the award right now? What? Defensive Player of the Year. Should he win the award? No, would he? I mean, you could say should he? I'm saying should he? Will he? Right now, if they were voting.


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[Assistant] Watt has the most sacks. I think Trey Hendrickson's second in sacks.


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[Assistant] I agree with that too. I'm not sure he's going to. It depends how many voters there are. I agree with you that he is the best player.


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[Assistant] This idea that he has to win because he's the best player on the best defense, I don't agree with that. But, uh, because it's an individual award, it's not a team award. But,


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[Assistant] It just depends how many people are still old school and...


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[Assistant] Does Tony Grossi pay attention to analytics? I think- I know Mary Kay does, but I don't know that Tony Grossi does.


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[Assistant] I'd be curious in his- What's a DT rate? Double team. Oh, double team rate. I'd be curious- I mean, he's being double teamed twice as often as JY.


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[Assistant] So what's the difference? So if you get a pressure, that's a win? Yes.


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[Assistant] What are the real rankings on the teams the Browns have played against?


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting. It's strength against strength right now, and then weakness against weakness. So we'll see what the game plan is.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, I don't know, I don't, I'm not putting an asterisk next to anything. You play in NFL teams, they're not terrible teams.


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[Assistant] Uh, and one or two bad games can put some of the numbers at it, can take you from being bad to being middle of the pack. They, they, you know, the Bears are a decent team.


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[Assistant] So is Jacksonville and so is, uh, Houston. So I'm not diminishing what Joe Flacco did.


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[Assistant] Hey, how you guys doing? We're doing well. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. And that not much of a competition there, Mary Kay, for offensive player of the year, I'd say. A player of the week.


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[Assistant] This passing game, we've been talking about it. I mean, who could have expected this? Uh, Jason just said it. He hasn't played well in 10 years.


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[Assistant] Is this just such a wacky season that maybe it can continue or are you worried that eventually the clock is going to strike midnight here?


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[Assistant] And Joe Flacco is going to revert to what he'd been for the last bunch of years.


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[Assistant] That Kevin Stefanski, as much as I love him, and I think he's the coach of the year, I think he prefers calling games this way and that Watson is not as comfortable under center.


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[Assistant] Completely, completely agree with you there. I wanted to get your thoughts on the running game. You mentioned Nick Chubb getting hurt. Alright, today's his birthday. We all wish him a happy birthday.


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[Assistant] We can't imagine, we're gonna talk about this later, how good this team would be if they just had all the injuries, if they just had Nick Jubb right now. My God. When you look at the struggles of the running game, especially the last month where it's gotten really bad.


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[Assistant] Is it more on the players they have at running back? Or is it the offensive line? Or is it really 50-50? What do you think?


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[Assistant] Thank you. Good stuff, Mary Kay. Thank you for joining us. Happy New Year. We'll talk to you next week.


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[Assistant] Alright, great to see Mary Kay and, uh, yeaah, she's been covering the team a long time.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Would you rather have Deshaun Watson or Baker Mayfield on the brass?


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[Assistant] I thought, I thought it was going to be Deshawn and Baker. And it's Deshawn.


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[Assistant] Things seem to have changed this year, where you don't have, you maybe don't have to have a great quarterback to win anymore. Now I'm not sure it's changed.


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[Assistant] Bakers claim, well by the way, according to PFF, and again, take it to whatever you want, Joe Flacco is a better PFF grade on the season than Baker.


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[Assistant] It's because you never consistently played well, Thymus. Never! Where's consistency?


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[Assistant] I like it. I thought he was trending in the right direction. But he hadn't got, what's happened is, in my opinion, he was trending in the right direction. And some people have now turned that into, he was back. He wasn't back, he was trending. 14 for 14 against one of the best defenses. That's one half of football, Divas.


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[Assistant] My all-time favorite Cleveland Browns player, by the way, is Nick Chubb. He's my favorite player in the history of Browns football. And let me tell you something, the Browns would be 15-0 right now.


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[Assistant] The Kool-Aid meter would be a 10. I'd be like Quincy last year with the great chance of 6-0.


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[Assistant] Who thinks the Browns are going to win every week? Earl 5-0. I'd be like Earl 5-0, which is looking pretty good right now. I'd be like all of them even more.


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[Assistant] They would have lost the Ravens game at home when DTR played that game. That's it. They would have won every other game.


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[Assistant] I already think the second or third best in the AFC, they'd be number one with him.


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[Assistant] And part of that is the offensive line is a lot worse at run blocking than we thought it would be. And that's when you need a guy like Nick Chubb to overcome the deficiencies of this line because he's been the best his entire career. Better than McCaffrey, better than Derrick Henry, better than anybody.


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[Assistant] Making the first guy miss. And when you have a shaky offensive line for a running game, that's huge. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying, that's a part of it all. So why has it worked so quickly for Flacco then?


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[Assistant] What do you mean? I mean, he hadn't been with the team at all. He's here for two weeks and he's, the offense is moving better than it ever has.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but wait a second, since Flacco's taken over, Mark Cooper is the most receiving yards in the league. Boy, and it goes back to my


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[Assistant] Flacco is 10 touchdowns, 8 turnovers. Yeah. Watson 8 touchdowns, 6 turnovers. I mean it's basically the same. It's close. It's close.


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[Assistant] You're saying... Uh, Watson's five games and Flacco four. Whatever.


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[Assistant] That's, that's a negative in a way. At least Watson had a running game. Oh it's not. Yes it is, it benefits Watson to have a running game.


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[Assistant] Going forward, yes. And in the end, yes, if I knew he was healthy, I'd still rather have him.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think you make good points. I really don't disagree with anything you said. I don't know that Pukuniku would be as good here.


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[Assistant] That's fair. Uh, but maybe he would be, and it's just, the Browns have done a bad job with drafting players at wide receiver and not necessarily developing. Isn't it develop, you know, because Kevin Stefanski,


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[Assistant] I thought about it, I gave it an 8, but I probably would even, thinking about it today, go to a 9. If they had another really good receiver in Hopkins, even though he's past the age where you still think guys are good, he's put up on a terrible team.


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[Assistant] He's put up great numbers. I mean, he's gonna go over a thousand yards. He would have been a perfect second receiver with Amari Cooper. I think that's what he is at this point in his career.


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[Assistant] Uh, so it would have been, it would have been, I mean, if you had, if you had DeAndre Hopkins right now, as your number two guy, instead of, I mean,


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[Assistant] You guys on that, where I think we're in a disagreement is how well played against Watson is this year only.


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[Assistant] Again, I brought it up yesterday because I didn't want anybody to feel like I don't mean to diminish Otto Graham. What he did in his time was great. He was a fantastic player of his era. You just can't compare that era and now it's different. It's different. Plus, most of us were not alive to see it.


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[Assistant] So, you know, how much, I don't get it. When I think about the 1908 Cubs winning the World Series, it doesn't give me any pleasure. I was not alive.


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[Assistant] Love him. Couldn't love him more. He is the perfect player. Every single thing I've heard about this guy as a human being is phenomenal. I love him. Couldn't love him more. But McCaffrey is more brutal.


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[Assistant] If you're talking about just running the ball, they're, they're neck and neck. Maybe he's gonna pinch ahead to jump. But as a pass catcher, it's not close.


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[Assistant] The only injury that I would say they can't go to the Super Bowl with right now is flat gold. That's it.


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[Assistant] Happy New Year! Yeah! 2024 is here and your Cleveland Browns are going to the playoffs. Is this a new look? Did you get some Christmas gear?


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[Assistant] I read that yesterday. I think he was 87. Yeah, I mean, he's it. If you're looking for the guy that last brought a championship to the city of Cleveland in the sport of football.


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[Assistant] He's your guy. So, R.I.P. Frank Ryan. Uh, never saw him play. I'm not that old, guys. Uh, my dad saw him play a lot. My dad said he was not spectacular. He always used to, he used to say, he's a prototypical guy that I would want leading my franchise. Not spectacular, but could make the big throws.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know what? My son was talking to Greg Ciano after the Rutgers game. And Corey said, flat out, who's the best team in the big 10? He said, oh, it's, it's not a close. He said,


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[Assistant] Unequivocally the best team. And Corey was like really? Over Ohio State? No question. Why? The line.


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[Assistant] He said they are violently aggressive on both sides of the line. And it really drives home the old adage. It used to be, that's how you would win in the Big Ten. That's how Woody won year after year after year. And it's funny that it's full circle. And he's obviously a Beauchamp-Beckler disciple. He has built that line to be not just good or above average.


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[Assistant] Sat here and said, our guys are too concerned about what their socks look like. Our guys are too concerned about their swag and their uniform. Do I look like a rock star? And he said, Michigan is concerned about one thing. Do I play like a rock star? And I think Maurice hit the nail on the head.


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[Assistant] That's what my wife said. I'm not ready to go there. Sugar is the body's toxin. But I am drinking more water. All that ails you is sugar-related. I'll also say this. At the end of the show, Mikey's gonna play a game with us. This sounds fun. He's gonna give us a Browns player. We're gonna have to say what that player's New Year's resolution should be.


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[Assistant] Let's go. All right. In the meantime, Kevin Stefanski's got a huge decision on his hands because it's rest versus rust. We've talked about this a million times in baseball. It's very interesting, particularly with pitchers getting them out of their five day rhythm.


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[Assistant] If the Brown starters don't go, it would be 17 or 18 days between starts. That gets pretty lengthy at that point. What does Stefanski do? Does he rest or does he...


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[Assistant] Tied. Tied. Tied. Is it nine or eleven, something like that each? Uh, seven each.


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[Assistant] They have the possibility of playing three teams that they've beaten. They've beaten all three of these teams. They're gonna have a better record than all three of these teams. Couldn't agree more with you guys, and I know this makes a boring show, but everybody agrees.


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[Assistant] There are only bad things that can happen. And the Bradley Chubb thing for me cements it. And this isn't the first time we've seen something like that happen. What is mind-boggling to me, when Bradley Chubb was being carted off the field.


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[Assistant] And it drives home again the point that you cannot afford to lose one of your best players. And Bull, you said it's a no-brainer. I agree because what are you gonna learn in game 17 that you haven't learned already? You can't better your position. Now, all of that being said,


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[Assistant] Kevin Stefanski has a tight rope to walk here. It's a, it's a slick dance. He has to have the team maintain their edge.


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[Assistant] He does not want to send the message to his team. We're going to Cincinnati to punch the ticket and come home. We don't care about the outcome. Winning breeds winning, losing breeds losing. I do not want to go into the playoffs on a disappointing loss to a team that likely will also be sitting some of its starters.


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[Assistant] Be surprised if Chase plays. Why would he? You know, so I think Cincinnati is going to make the same decision. So it's basically going to be your backups against our backups. However, we have a big dog in the fight.


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[Assistant] Yes, 12 wins is nice. It's an ego feed. It's nice. It means nothing in the grand scheme of things. But what does mean something is how you go into the playoffs. I love what you said about the bye week. In seasons past, the top two teams got the bye.


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[Assistant] In all likelihood, they'll finish with the second best record in the AFC. So reward yourself with that buy, but...


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[Assistant] Earn it, go into the playoffs on a victory over Cincinnati, finish 4-2 in the toughest division in the NFL, and move on into the playoffs.


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[Assistant] There was a question of, I think it might have been Kansas City was going to rest or three or four teams that had won they were going to rest. And we had asked our research division at ESPN, do it, see if you can find out. It's very, very difficult to find out. Here's what they learned. Well,


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[Assistant] And they won. There was one trend which I think needs to be brought up. I can't remember the number, but it was more than 50%.


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[Assistant] The majority of the teams that rested when they could have played ended up losing in the first round of the playoffs. It was very small. It wasn't like it was lopsided. It was close. And again, because they didn't rest all their starters, you know, it's very difficult to say how rusty is a team, how rested is a team. I don't know.


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[Assistant] It's a feeling. Yeah, I think he is. Well, I think you're right, but I think we are too. I mean, here's what I would ask you to do. Put yourself in Mike McDaniel's situation. You look a lot like him.


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[Assistant] You don't have to have one conversation with Joe Flacco. Put your honor on and say sorry kid, I just, I just woke you up in the middle of your craziest fantasy dream. I'm sorry, you're back to reality. You have to have 53 of those conversations.


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[Assistant] You have to look Brown's Nation in the eye. You have to look Jimmy Haslam in the eye. And you have to, here in your head,


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[Assistant] So my thing. Already two quarterbacks have season ending injuries in this office. I hear it, I hear it. With this lie.


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[Assistant] But if you would ask any NFL team at the beginning of the season.


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[Assistant] I can't remember it. Cory was home, my son was home over the break, and he said, I think that in my lifetime, this is the first time that the Browns will play a regular season game where they're locked in the play. They're already in.


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[Assistant] I did too. They are. Yeaah. We talked about the Bills like at the halfway point of the season. I kept saying...


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[Assistant] Let's play neutral site games in the Super Bowls, obviously. Okay, another read and then we move on.


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[Assistant] Or they needed a hybrid. Maybe they needed a return guy who could help them at receiver. We specifically need a receiver.


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[Assistant] But here's different. The culture though, I mean, if I'm the Colts and I can bring a, cause there's one thing that everybody will agree on.


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[Assistant] He is going to upgrade your culture, period, no matter what. Whatever team he goes to, there's gonna be a buzz in the locker room. Jarvis is here. Jarvis is back. Jarvis just walked in the building.


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[Assistant] Off of the couch. You bring in Kareem Hunt. No one wanted him. You bring in Jarvis Landry. Nobody wanted him. There's something to be said about a winner and a proven veteran who has done it at a high level.


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[Assistant] There is a certain amount of get back. I'll guarantee you in Joe Flacco's mind, he has played this scenario out.


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[Assistant] And Jarvis walk onto that field in Baltimore. Flacco has a chance to get over on his old team.


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[Assistant] Jarvis has a chance to get over on his life long best friend and get a chance at adding that ring too. That's crazy. I just, I think it's another layer to the redemptive story that has become 2023, not 2024.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, he's Jarvis Landry. Yeaah. He's got almost 8,000 yards in his career. There's a reason. Alright, Mike.


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[Assistant] Listen, listen, I just think we should be careful with the mid-tier SEC team. That team won 11 games. That team was top 25 in offense. That team was top 25 in defense. Can we give it a tier in between the top and the mid? I think they are, they are closer to the...


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[Assistant] So they're in Ohio State's league this year. They beat Ohio State. Here's the other thing too. The reason Missouri means nothing to me. You're playing without your best offensive player.


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[Assistant] You're playing without your starting quarterback and the way it turned out, your second team quarterback.


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[Assistant] From the first series on. Yeah, okay, that's great. Right, Cardell, Cardell Jones proved up to the task.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's so many more things now that come into play with the NIL and the Portal and the ease of movement that players now have. Guys, get used to it. College football's product, to me, this was my least interested year in my lifetime.


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[Assistant] I was least interested this year than just about any other year. Now I think that'll change next year when we go to 12.


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[Assistant] The philosophical difference between football and college. In the south, it was always a speed gate. You know this, Tivus. In the north and the midwest, it was always, we're gonna put our cattle ranchers up against your thoroughbreds.


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[Assistant] Excuse me. The speed has won out. There are exceptions. I'll give you a lot of them. Ohio State was an exception. Ohio State had great skills players, but when they last won it in 15, they were dominant on both sides of the line. They had great offensive and defensive lines. I think what's interesting to watch, I was having a conversation with a friend yesterday about this and he agreed. I had said,


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[Assistant] The Florida State Georgia game and I was glad that Kirby Smart said something because he was the winning coach and he came out flatly and said, guys, it's broken and you better fix it. This doesn't work. They did it to themselves. They did. They did it to themselves. What they did, I think the pendulum was swinging and instead of like moving it marginally, they took it way over here.


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[Assistant] Well the first thing you'd see is you wouldn't have 85 man rosters, you'd have 50 man rosters. Ain't so. So now you're eliminating the opportunity for 33 kids per program, 35 kids per program times 120.


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[Assistant] I reached out to a bunch of former Buckeye players, friends that I've had through the years. Some played in the 90s, aughts, 10s, and none in the 20s. You're my, no you didn't play in the 20s either. Uhm, I just asked two questions. Should Ryan Day, will Ryan Day be fired? Should Ryan Day be fired?


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[Assistant] It was universal. No and no to everybody. I just heard from the last one just as the show was starting. No and no. They all had trepidation.


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[Assistant] You can't just willy-nilly, cause this is what fans do that call into sports shows. He's gotta go!


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[Assistant] Three of his four full seasons ended with trips to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] 5-0 versus top 25s in 2019. Lost to the eventual runner-up in Clemson 29-23 in the semifinals.


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[Assistant] 2021. The one stat that really jumps out at me that I want to give you. Jim Harbaugh in his first five seasons. Oh, he was terrible. For Michigan.


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[Assistant] Terrible. Beyond terrible. His winning percentage was 690. He was 49 and 22. Then, they started stealing signs.


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[Assistant] I'd like to see Pierre Strong see what he could do with a full slate of carries. Do you anticipate that he's going to get more action than normal?


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[Assistant] I guess you could use this game for just that, right? I mean, give them each a half.


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[Assistant] See what they look like. What can you tell us about Jeff Briscoe for those that aren't familiar with his game and what he looks like?


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[Assistant] He's almost the opposite end of what PJ Walker is, cause if you look at PJ Walker's stats...


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[Assistant] You know, he is, he's a turnover machine. He's almost two turnovers for every touchdown. Yet, you know, somehow he has won games that you scratch your head at the end and say, wow, we just beat San Francisco. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I think that's an excellent point. I've had a lot of conversations since the end of that game. Here was an idea that someone threw at me and I don't remember who it was now, but this might clear a lot of it up.


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[Assistant] One of the things that was tricky to me was you saw that Decker was standing next to the referee.


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[Assistant] And I think that right now it's the reporting process that's a mess.


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[Assistant] I think it should be a designated player, whether it's the quarterback or maybe it's the head coach. Only one player or coach can have that conversation with the official. That way there's no three guys coming up to the official. And the other thing I didn't like about that play, and I didn't like the way Dan Campbell handed the post game news conference, he didn't fall on his sword.


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[Assistant] The only thing I can, somehow it was lost in translation. I don't know if Decker said, I'm telling you.


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[Assistant] That number 70 is going to be an eligible receiver. I think there was some trickeration going on where Campbell wanted to confuse Dallas, where he thought that maybe Dallas would see that Decker was talking to the official. So they thought, oh, Decker's reporting as eligible.


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[Assistant] The other thing too, so the next year they said, okay, now all pass interference plays are reviewable. And almost as a way of saying, F you.


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[Assistant] When did they ever overturn a pass interference call? Even when it was obvious they would look at it and say the call stands. And now it's not even reviewable anymore.


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[Assistant] January 8th, if your tree is up after January 8th, that's egregious.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this, because this is a possibility. What if Miles comes to you and says, I think I could still be Defensive Player of the Year? I think he's still in the conversation. But why would this game matter? It's a meaningless game of voters. I agree with you, but if you're Kevin Stefanski and you've made the decision, Miles isn't playing.


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[Assistant] Uh, Kevin Stefanski on the sidelines, going for the record.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what if Miles comes to you, Wednesday, when you tell him you're not playing, and says, no coach, this is big to me, I wanna be defensive player of the year, let me play.


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[Assistant] No, he's not playing. But by the way, uhm, if we ask the question, which one do you think is most likely to play? I think he's most likely to play because of this conversation that we're having right here. But the other thing too is like you said, go win a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] No, if you're Kevin Stefanski, you look right back at Miles Garrett and you say, call Bradley Chum. Ask him what I should do. I'd say Miles, I can't.


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[Assistant] Watt and Garrett have done it longer though. They've been at the top of their games longer. So I think that's why, if you compare them to the other two. But I think league wide, I think he's got a lot of respect on his name this year.


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[Assistant] And if, if, if after year three, you still have the same questions that we have now. Yeaah, then yeaah.


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[Assistant] McAfee. They don't get it. A lot of people are like, I don't get it. I don't understand it. The beauty of this guy is he's real.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, he's not gonna sell it to you. No, he's not gonna sell it. He loves the spotlight.


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[Assistant] Everything's good in place now, leave it be. Uh, I wouldn't go everything. I don't know.


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[Assistant] By the way, did everybody not have goosebumps when he came out for the guitar?


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[Assistant] I spent more time yesterday watching the Jacksonville, Tennessee game on the TV in the back of the press room than I did watching what was on the TV. And you were at the game. Yea, I was at the game. I watched almost the entire fourth quarter of the Jacksonville game on the TV. I could care less what was going on. Yea, what happened at Jacksonville?


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[Assistant] Josh Allen is, I mean, here we talk Baker and now Josh Allen, we haven't gotten to the Browns yet. I've never seen a quarterback makes the dumbest decisions followed up by throws that nobody else can make.


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[Assistant] I think the vast majority of college games, I would agree with you. There's a few, I'd say Alabama, Auburn, I'd say Ohio State, Michigan. Penn State, Ohio State, at Penn State.


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[Assistant] I would look at one, Monday at 11, 20 in the morning, if you, if you want to give me one category or one stat to look at that's going to tell the story of the game, give me turnovers. The Browns lead the league in turnovers, the Texans have turned it over the fewest amount of times. So, Houston's only turned it over 14 times all year, the Browns have given away 37 times.


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[Assistant] Yeah, only 14 turnovers all year long. Now not all 37 are on Flaco, but we know Joe will flip it around a little bit on occasion. So now the, the flip side with Joe is much like with Josh Allen, whatever he gives you, he's going to take it back in a later drive. So he does have that ability, but that's, this is one game where I just worry about


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[Assistant] Being sloppy with the football, being on the road in a road environment in a playoff game. If you start giving them a short field to work on, yes, this defense is elite. No question about it. But the one thing you don't want to do is help them and start giving them first down on, on the plus side of the field, give them possession at the 30, 35, 20, whatever it is. That's the one thing that I think could really doom the Browns. So.


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[Assistant] If we're being realistic, it's probably beat Houston and losing the second round.


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[Assistant] But it doesn't mean that they can't. Absolutely, I think this team can go to the Super Bowl. But if, if you're just going to look at the numbers and you're going to play the odds, you're going to look at realistically what are the outcomes here, going to Baltimore is a tough ask for any team and especially


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[Assistant] You know, with the position that the Browns are in with some of the injuries that they've had. So I think if, if you're looking as an objective outsider, you'll get in Houston and say, yeah, Browns are probably going to win that. They'll definitely be underdogs. If, if it goes chalk and it goes the way we think it will, they'd definitely be underdogs in second round. And more times than not, they'd probably lose that game. Doesn't mean it's going to happen though.


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[Assistant] If Baltimore wasn't a team that the Browns have faced twice a year, if they didn't already beat them this year, I think


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[Assistant] No, you don't because I don't know. I would, I feel better right now with the Browns entering the playoffs with Joe Flacco quarterback than Deshaun Watson. Deshaun has one career playoff.


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[Assistant] For them, I think it did make sense. We talked about it last week. The Browns had a chance for the 1 seed. You have to go for it.


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[Assistant] They don't. While we're talking about this real quick, did you guys see, it just came out this morning that Bob Myers and Rick Spielman are leading the game. So here's Paul D. Modesten coming from baseball to football. Now here's Bob Myers. Leading the charge, baby. Well they're consultants. They're not. They're just going to hire the coach. I actually think it's brilliant.


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[Assistant] Because Bob Myers is a great guy and he's brilliant. So I think it's a great movie.


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[Assistant] Finding good people is finding good people. Yeah, I agree. I think we're having two different conversations. We don't need to go that far down the road. Right. But if you're picking players, that's one thing. If you're setting up structure, if you're setting up an organization, if you're setting up... The hierarchy of how things should flow. If you're identifying good people,


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[Assistant] He did. Unless it's by his choice. Maybe. But if all you're doing is set it up, and that's why, like you look at Deep Podesta, he picked Kevin. When no one else was looking at Kevin. No, that's true. So he was the one who identified Kevin. He's the one who liked Sean McDermott. So, you know, if what you're trying to do is identify the people to run the organization.


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[Assistant] I've talked to a lot of people in different sports who feel like they could successfully run a different sport.


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be Driscoll. I think Kevin wants no part of people walking down because of the turnover issues that they've had. Driscoll did not look great yesterday. I was hoping for a little bit more.


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[Assistant] Talking to a couple guys after the game, they're like, he had one week of practice, he was playing with backups, to your point. Like, it was kind of thrown together.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, it's not going to matter. If Flacco can't play, it's probably game over. But I do think it will probably wind up being Jeff Dressen.


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[Assistant] The Rams chose once over Flacco. They were both out there. I know they were.


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[Assistant] He just worked out for a team for the Colts. And the fact that they didn't sign him is, that's probably a bad sign. That they worked him out and chose to pass on him. That means there's probably not a whole lot left.


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[Assistant] Well, Taki will be the starting middle linebacker next year, I would think. Like, they'll move on from Walker now.


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[Assistant] And if, if Xerius goes, right there you talk about Alex Wright and the progression that he's made, and that's how healthy organizations do it. Yep. You draft a guy, you develop him, and then when he's ready to go, you let the veteran go. You let the veteran go, and the young guy steps in.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Reagorated the calf. I think, I think he'll be okay. I think, but calves are weird. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So 95 would have been Jacksonville's first year and the Browns last year and then the Browns left.


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[Assistant] Uhm, no I saw him briefly in the locker room, but I didn't get a chance to go over there and talk to him. A lot of those guys, because they didn't play, they were dressing out of there pretty quick.


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[Assistant] I had former NFL, when he was here, former NFL quarterback saying, Baker thinks he's in that Josh Allen. That's the problem. Patrick Holmes class. Yeah, that is the problem. And he's not.


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[Assistant] The, the, I mean he had to be humble and humiliated the last couple of years with how things went. And I wonder if, if anyone got through to him to make him realize to not try and be those guys anymore. If he would just play within himself, he could be a fine NFL quarterback, have a long career, make a lot of money in this league. He'll never be elite. But he could have a very nice career for himself.


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[Assistant] There's, there's all these teams that arrive early and it's so hard for them to duplicate it. I touched on it this morning, what I wrote. Like, the Browns were that team in 2020. They got there early. No one expected them to be there. And then they couldn't follow it up. Baker got hurt in 21, whatever. They couldn't follow it up. Last year it was Jacksonville. Jacksonville last year was the Browns of 2020.


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[Assistant] And they couldn't follow it up this year. This year it's Houston. So we'll see what Houston does next week.


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[Assistant] And I, I was actually thinking about you. I'm like, man, this is the Browns. Gary would be screaming to fire everybody. Third goal from the one. They roll Lawrence out, throws a duck through the back of the end zone. Fourth and goal from the one. A full yard to go. He tried to reach it over the pile. And was short. It was just too far to reach. He was short.


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[Assistant] I'll be curious to see them next year with Richardson back and healthy, see what they look like. Do you think he can play as well as Minshew played?


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[Assistant] I don't know that we saw, he had some moments this year where he looked really good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's at least one game. Oh yeah, multiple weeks. He'll be out multiple weeks. Yeah, you would think. Schefter said yesterday morning that Tomlin could walk after the season, take a year off. Yeah, I don't know if you guys saw that or not. I didn't see that. Yeah, Schefter said that. That's a nice move. He's got one year left on his contract and he's not going to be fired, but it's basically balls in his court. He could walk, he could take a year off. So what is that like?


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[Assistant] No, I think it's if he just tells him everything runs its course at some point.


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[Assistant] They'll have a different, one way or another, I think Pittsburgh's going to have a different quarterback next year.


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[Assistant] It's always been the plan was always a big in the middle and four shooters around him. Like, that's how you play. And it was just, I've written it a hundred times, the thought was always, it's Mowgli. It's Mowgli's in the middle with four shooters around him. That's when this team's gonna be at its best.


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[Assistant] And Evans 22, so there's not a big age gap there. I do think they're going to have a hard time offensively playing them together. I don't know if that's sustainable for the long term, but this run that they're on, and Jared's playing out of his mind. He's, you know, he's playing great.


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[Assistant] What did he say yesterday? We suck? I mean it's, it's January, so this is time for LeBron to start. Sure.


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[Assistant] You know, he's, he's old school. He didn't hide the fact. He doesn't really love all the analytics of just jack threes, but with the injury situations they're in, that's the way they're playing now. They just run out and jack threes. And it's working for them to this point. When you say things like is it sustainable, I look at,


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[Assistant] Playoff success, like that's all that matters is playoff success. Can you win in the playoffs?


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[Assistant] It did not. And part of it also was that the, the Okoro piece, they had nobody there. They fixed that to where there's at least, there's at least you can put three shooters on the floor with the two of them that the other team has to guard. But.


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[Assistant] And if Mobley's three point shot came along, we're having an entirely different conversation because now it's...


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[Assistant] Allen with four shooters, and Mobley's one of those shooters.


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[Assistant] But I think that the calves have sort of sunset that idea for now of...


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[Assistant] Listen, it's just not there. And another thing, and I know we've talked about this before, when you talk about Mobly's development and growth,


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[Assistant] I 100% believe some of it has been stunted by the fact he's on a good team that's trying to win. Sure. And when you're taking the position he is, 9 times out of 10, 99 times out of 100, you're on a bad team.


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[Assistant] And they're feeding you the ball and you're kind of getting your feet about you and you're kind of learning what works and what doesn't. Scotty Barnes. And the Cavs don't have that.


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[Assistant] Luxury, it's not a luxury, it's a good situation they're in. They're trying to win.


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[Assistant] But the expense of that is the growth rate of a guy like Evan Mobley may be a little bit slower.


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[Assistant] Well, but it's, the, the priority is not developing ovenmobly, the priority is winning basketball games. And a lot of times that's not the case when you take a guy third overall. The priority is, hey, we're not going to be good for a couple years, let's develop this guy.


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[Assistant] I mean, we talk about the Browns and the job Kevin Stefanski's done, Jamie's done the exact same thing. They lost Darius, they lost Mobley, Donovan's been in and out, and they keep winning games.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean the championship years, they were at their best because you had


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[Assistant] Ball-dominant creators who could drive and kick. Get in the lane, collapse the defense, and kick to the shooters. Channing Fry staying there in the corner with his feet set. He's gonna hit it 50% of the time.


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[Assistant] And, but, but when the lane is congested and you, there's nowhere, and we saw that in the playoffs last year, there was nowhere for Donovan and Darius to go because there, you had five people on the floor. You had, you had Mobley, you had Jarrett, you had the two guys guarding him, and you had the guy who's guarding Isaac or whoever else. There's five guys, there was nowhere for those guys to go.


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[Assistant] Excuse me. The lack of the three point shot for Evan I think is probably for me the biggest disappointment in the lack of growth that we


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[Assistant] Well, I think that they're looking at this, they're not even looking at this as Donovan being a core long term piece, but I think they are absolutely looking at Garland and Mobley and Jarrett as being core long term pieces.


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[Assistant] Well, you need elite shooters at the other three spots. Like, you need really, really good shooting at the other three spots. Right. And I think they've improved their shooting, but we're not elite. Well, I mean, I'm not talking Steph Curry elite, but like,


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[Assistant] Darius and Donovan are pretty good shooters, Max is a pretty good shooter, George and Yang's, like you need... I think they're all pretty good, the three guys you mentioned.


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[Assistant] There's so much at play here and the Donovan thing is a completely different conversation.


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[Assistant] And so it's hard for me to like separate one from the other because the Donovan thing impacts everything else.


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[Assistant] Both. Yeah, I don't think they should trade them. I still think the upside's too high.


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[Assistant] And again, like, well no, here's the thing, because I said this on the radio the other day. There's two tracks here.


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[Assistant] There's the track the Cavs are on with Donovan, and then there's this other track. Right. Like, Evan Mobley in five years could be a monster. Like, he could, he could be a impact, high level, number one player on the championship team. Darius could be great. They could be awesome. Donovan's gonna be long gone by then. So then why not trade Donovan then?


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[Assistant] And that's another reason why you don't trade moblies because you control them for another what? With a rookie extension?


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[Assistant] Yeah. You've got Donovan for a year and a half. You've got Mobley for six years. So, and if you trade Mobley and then you lose Donovan, now where are you? So I think that the pertinent question is the one bull-ass.


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[Assistant] He's a rental for four months. I don't know that, uh, I don't know what he's going to bring back. It's not going to be anything close to what the Cavs gave up. And that's another reason why maybe you hold on to him, at least through this year and try and make a deep run and then reassess your options after that.


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[Assistant] Because you're going to get more if you do it now. The upside to doing it now is he would be the best, the biggest name on the market. There is no other big star available.


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[Assistant] There's not, so many teams have already traded away all of their trade assets, draft assets. I mean, Miami would be in.


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[Assistant] That's it. Brooklyn just took all of Phoenix's picks.


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[Assistant] When they traded KDs. So they've got what the cashiers are looking for. Miami can't put together a great package, but I'm sure they would be in on them.


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[Assistant] So it's, I think it's something that you have to look at. Do you think they will do it? No.


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[Assistant] Well, they would say we've had 11 games together with our starters. How do we know what is and what isn't?


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[Assistant] Of IR, no. No, and I don't think Delpitt's, as Zach Jackson said this morning, he thinks Delpitt's probably another week or two away, but he is eligible to come off the IR this week.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but, you know, certainly he would bring a lot of energy and a lot of juice. Juice would bring plenty of, uh, of fire to the program. So I haven't heard anything like that at all.


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[Assistant] Uh, Elijah's coming around. They probably don't have to play Elijah or Amari in this game. And, you know, to, you know, to kind of upset the apple cart at this point, I don't know if they'd be willing to do that.


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[Assistant] Joe walked off the field kinda mad about that. Uh, so Cedric just needs to step up. He needs to step up and get really super focused and buckle down and do whatever it takes this week.


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[Assistant] Over time and just when he thinks he worked enough, then he needs to work a little bit more.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, you know, I think, you know, in the case of someone like a Dustin Hopkins, you know, why would you put him out there against the Bengals? You're not going to do that. That's just not smart football. Uh, so hopefully in his case for the round.


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[Assistant] He's throwing touchdown passes. And so your kicker, uh, becomes a little bit less imperative than he was in those weeks when they did not have an elite quarterback playing for them.


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[Assistant] Uh, Obo Okuranko, you mentioned him, uh, he is still trying to make it back, and I don't know if he'll make it back for the wild card game, but as he moves forward,


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[Assistant] And he is, he's gonna miss this game, but he's not needed for this game. But if he can get back and he's really trying, uh, to get back for a playoff game, that will really help them tremendously. Same thing with Anthony Wong.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think they'll have some good guys playing in this game because they know that, uh, first of all, you just can't rest everybody, you know, they've got to play, uh, some people and, uh, you know, I think that they are so deep.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, at, at all levels of the defense that, you know, that might not be your starters anyways. So, you know, you're, you're going to get some good performances from some backup guys, the Cam Mitchells, the Ronnie Hickmans, the D'Anthony Bells.


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[Assistant] Even though these guys aren't necessarily starters, I think you'll see some good football out of them.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a good question and we haven't been out there yet for practice this week. That'll happen tomorrow.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I could see those guys splitting time. I could even see perhaps Jeff Driscoll getting the start. Just, uh.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, that has been the problem with PJ Walker. Even though he gave the Browns a lot of effort, a lot of hustle, a lot of moxie, he threw only one touchdown pass against five interceptions. And, uh, his, his rating is like a 52.2.


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[Assistant] But PJ throws too many interceptions and I do think that they would be inclined to give Jeff Driscoll a chance.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, he's, he's a big guy. Uh, you know, so he kinda has some, some carry over to Joe Flacco. Uh, he's, he's an older quarterback. He's been around for a while. He can move pretty well. He's got a decent arm. Uh, again, if you look at his


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[Assistant] But uhm, you know, but he has a skill set that, you know, that translates pretty well.


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[Assistant] To when a bad call is made, especially at the end of a game. Maybe only at the end of the game this could be for. Uh, something, there needs to be a mechanism.


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[Assistant] He comes back at me and he says, my graphics are better than your takes. Wow. Wow. This is some harsh stuff.


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[Assistant] Hopefully the graphics is better. Well, maybe.


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[Assistant] Everybody out of here. What about right now with the knowledge that Steve has learned from us talking about sports, do you think if he could go back in the time he played sports? No. No. That's not his thing.


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[Assistant] The man knows what he's good at. Steve! You ain't interested, you don't think you'd be interested to go like, shoot some hoops or? No. He's gonna do exactly that.


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[Assistant] It's so much more to life than instruments and cameras.


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[Assistant] You know what I, you know what I would do? I would start the curveball league.


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[Assistant] You get two points if you throw it over the curve. Come on now Earl! When you stand on the side of the street, you know you got the curve? You take a bouncy ball and you throw it. And when it hit the curve, if it bounce off the curve, you get a point.


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[Assistant] Never played that before. Oh, it was the greatest game. You know, when you ain't got a basketball hoop or stuff like that, you get that bouncy ball and you go in the front of your house and you just throw it off the curb. Boom! And it bounce off.


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[Assistant] Coaridge is special. I got to watch him for two seasons at Ohio State and he did his thing and he throws a really good ball and that's the thing about him. He's a great leader. I thought that even if he did play, he'd be kind of at a disadvantage because Tank Dale is out.


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[Assistant] And I think Nico Collins missed last week with the hamstring.


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[Assistant] Listen, Noah Brown is probably the most physical wide receiver that I went against at Ohio State. Nah, it was, he flew under the radar until after I left. I think 2016 was his big year. But he was built like a, like a tight end, but he played wide receiver. He was very physical. He was the guy that when you had, uh,


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[Assistant] So DBs used to do the, they had to do the stalk block drill. You know the stalk block drill? Stalk block drill, people don't know, is the wide receiver, it's a, it's a ball carrier behind the wide receiver. So the wide receiver will run up five yards, he'd stop, and the DB has to come and get around him and make the tackle. So he's gotta block you, right?


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[Assistant] If you see Noah, you would back up and go somewhere. I'm not going with him. That's the respect that he had. You would look and see where you at, you would see who you got. I ain't going with him. Somebody else take care.


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[Assistant] My point exactly, so therefore you should be able to know what to take away and what he's not good at. I mean, this is the same guy that couldn't start over Baker Mayfield, uh, hurt Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] The person outside of Devon Singletary, if Nico Collins doesn't play, even if he does play.


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[Assistant] Uh, our safety's gonna have to have a big game. Particularly the end. Their tight end? Yeaah, the Alton Schultz.


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[Assistant] Y'all owe Earl an apology for when he said things will go 5-0.


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[Assistant] I gotta make sure you get your flowers bro. I mean at the time, they said it was ludicrous.


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[Assistant] You still got three more games to win. None of these are in the bag. The only thing that scares me about this game is I need to know how offensive line is going to play.


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[Assistant] Like I said, I don't, I don't know outside of Will Island, I don't really know, I'm not familiar with the Texas D-Line and Patch. Yea, cause Montez Sweatt in particular killed the Browns last week. Yea, so it's like...


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[Assistant] So that's why I'm like, the offensive line, like, that's why I'm like, the way that they keep going and not addressing it.


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[Assistant] Like I get it, I got faith in Bill. I do, like Bill's done his thing, but like at some point, like...


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[Assistant] We still gotta run the ball. Like, I'm down with the air rave until...


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[Assistant] You are automatically guaranteed three game checks. Even if you go there for one week and they cut you, you're still getting three game checks.


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[Assistant] Pro-rated. It is minimum salary. No, it's all for whatever, yea, your minimum deal. Whatever deal, y'all. So as you're a rookie, it's for, well, it was 450 for me. It's probably gone up from there. So, so rookie, for me, 450, if I was playing three games, that's about 16,000 a check.


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[Assistant] So 630 was my salary at this time, 630. Before taxes, my check was $37,000. Okay. After taxes took out $20,000, this is San Francisco, highest, highest taxes.


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[Assistant] Dallas, uh, so I got, I took an injury settlement, an injury settlement. When you settle, you get three, you settle for how many game checks you, you, you settle. For me, it was,


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[Assistant] It was four, I took a four week settlement, which I had to do because it was my fourth year in the league, and to get your pension, you gotta do four years and three games. So you gotta get the fourth year. Three years have been four years.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, no, no. Fine. Not penalties. If you get fined, it comes right out. Did you ever get fined? No. Heck no. For what? Heck, I can't afford to. What time is it? No penalties. No bops be like, 15th, I'll be playing for free for that week. No.


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[Assistant] Tyvis is, he don't get in any trouble, man. He's the best. When I go out there for pre-games, that fashion police will say, you know, you gotta have them socks pulled up or something like that. You can't wear those. When it come off a game, it ain't gonna be like that. My fault, officer. Richard Sherman's like, F you!


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[Assistant] You ain't spending money. Leroy, let's talk about these Cleveland Browns, you know, as the offensive line as instituted right now as it is. Uh huh.


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[Assistant] Leroy, you know, it's a, it's like a 20 page paper that, uh, of a scenario of how the Browns can clinch the playoffs. Let's play devil's advocate. Let's say that the Browns clinch the playoffs. Would you rest the starters for the next two weeks? Two weeks.


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[Assistant] It's only one person, it's two people on this current roster that's still gonna be at quarterback next year. Deshaun Watson, DTR.


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[Assistant] Yea, I'ma watch it. Henderson gonna play? Yea, I think he said he was.


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[Assistant] I tell you what, if I was offense alignment, I'd rather run block than pass block for sure. Cause that, cause you gotta think about...


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[Assistant] It's just so many, a guy like Miles Garrett, you telling me you want me to retreat and try to stop this man? No, I'd rather just go at him.


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[Assistant] You gotta do is not get beat up to staff. Geron Christian is 65315.


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[Assistant] When you look at my, first of all, uh, we might, we slightly biased cause of where we are.


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[Assistant] Due to the fact that the one part that I agree with is he's the best player on the best defense. Nick Bosa won it last year for being the exact same thing. So with that being said, I would give it to him for that reason. You know, yes, he is a guy that deals with triple teams and double teams all games and yet he still plays a factor.


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[Assistant] What about T.F.L.? What you feel about a T.F.L.? That's, that's, you supposed to yeaah.


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[Assistant] So Daniel Hunter's number one, and he's second in sacks. So how many Daniel Hunter got? He got 21 TFLs. Okay, and how many sacks he got? 15 and a half. I think Miles Garrett leads the lead. And he fours, fours, four fumbles. So is Miles Garrett. So did Miles Garrett. So is Miles Garrett. So that's statistically why he's really running away with this game.


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[Assistant] So uhm, oh no, according to FanDuel.


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[Assistant] Lamar go out here and win this game. If he beats Sam Fred, I think he gonna win it.


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[Assistant] I mean, well, Ronnie Hickman, I mean, I don't know why he went undrafted. I thought he was a very productive guy when he was at Ohio State. And you know, when he comes here and he's playing that post,


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[Assistant] You know, he's doing a really good job of reading the field. I mean, we've seen it in the preseason. He was able to make some picks in the preseason. He made some plays on the ball, so he, his...


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[Assistant] His middle of the field presence, I don't know if Juan Thornhill or Jim Schwartz has really simplified it for him, but his middle of the field presence has been really good. He even came up on this last week and made some plays on the ball, so.


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[Assistant] He know, he got a just a good feel for the game. The Anthony Bale.


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[Assistant] I need to see how he does in the pass game because I don't know when Cole Comet caught the touchdown, I don't know what they were in and I don't know who gave up the touchdown. I gotta go back and watch the play. But if they weren't a man and that was his man, he's gotta do a better job with that and he's got the big boy job this week because they got another decent tight end in Dalton Schultz, which


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[Assistant] Like I said, I don't think he's that great, but they're going to get the ball to him because he's one of their top playmakers. So I think the Anthony Bale is going to have to have a good game of coverage this week because if Nico Collins doesn't play in there, they don't have Tank Dale.


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[Assistant] Noah Brown and Dalton Schultz is the only two guys that you can really depend on. So we know that DB, the Cornish is going to take care of Noah Brown. Say he's going to take care of the tight end.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if they run a 7 cut and we in cover 2 to that side, you have to make them put air on the ball and the safety should be able to play on it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you opened up, you had like a, what did you have where people would just come to the field and play football? And I remember being in high school and I just came up there one day and played football with y'all. But why, why did you do that? What was going, yeaah, what was that about anyway?


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[Assistant] See, so, you know, when you look at it, let's take you to the NFL.


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[Assistant] Houston, Texas. Now that Colt Rich isn't playing. Well, reportedly not playing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, y'all, you know I'm at CJ. You know I'm at CJ. You know I'm at CJ. Coleridge. I hate Coleridge. I hate Flair.


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[Assistant] And Tankdale is out and Nico Collins is questionable. Who do you look to? Do you have faith in Case Keenum? And can't my boy Noah Browns? Go Bucs. Get it done.


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[Assistant] Or, I know, you want to see what he can do. Or, you want to see what Driscoll can do because he might be your backup quarterback if, if Flacco were to go down and no one wants to talk about it but the backup's one play away. You're one snap away and you have to have somebody back there you can trust and I don't think Kevin Stefanski trusts PJ Walker because he is a turnover machine. Every time he touches the ball he turns it over.


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[Assistant] So if Drisco, listen, if Drisco shows something Sunday and he's halfway decent, it wouldn't shock me at all.


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[Assistant] If, if PJ's deactivated and Driscoll is the backup to Joe Flacco in the playoffs. I think that's why he's out there on Sunday. So yeah, this matters. This matters a lot. You may not think it does, but I think it does. And the numbers are not great, you know, when you look at the record. But the, the touchdown interceptions... The numbers don't match up for either guy. Yeah, I know.


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[Assistant] I know. They're really odd. So, I mean, they, they did cut PJ, you know, they did release him and then they brought him back on practice squad when, shocking, he went unclaimed.


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[Assistant] So, I don't think that there's this great love affair, uh, and I don't think PJ's entrenched in the backups, so if Driscoll falls flat on his face and he's a disaster and he turns it over three times, he'll probably roll with, with Flacco and PJ to the playoffs, and hopefully it doesn't matter, you know, hopefully Joe stays healthy and...


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[Assistant] It's a moot point, but you gotta have somebody back there you can trust. So I think absolutely this matters because Jeff Driscoll could be your backup quarterback going to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] But also, I mean, we can say this is like a preseason game, but it's really not. You can't rest everybody, like. No, they're gonna play, yeaah. They're gonna play quite a few guys. Like, they're not, you're not, obviously they're not playing Flacco, they're not playing, you can't play Amari, uh, you can't, well, because you can't play Amari with the backup quarterback. Well, they're not gonna play Elijah anymore. They're not playing either, I would guess. Right, I don't think Goodwin's gonna play


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[Assistant] But on the defensive side, Miles probably isn't going to play. Uh, but you're going to have, and Denzel I would say for sure.


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[Assistant] To get that D.P.O.Y. But I mean Kevin came out the other day and said he doesn't need to play in this game to win. So that tells me he's not playing in this game. I'm only saying you can't, this isn't a preseason game. You need bodies. There's only so many guys you can rest. You can't sit everybody.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Right, but here's my estimate. The absolute not playing would be Flacco, Amari, Miles, Denzel.


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[Assistant] But I just, I think that some people feel like no one's gonna play, and that's just not the case.


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[Assistant] I think it's a case by case basis. Like with Denzel's injury history, there's no reason to play him. Right. With Amari coming off the heel and the fact that you've got a backup quarterback who's, you can't expose him to more hospital balls. We don't know what Jeff Driscoll, is he going to throw him an ICU ball and now he's out for the playoffs? Right. So even without the heel, you can't play Amari just because of the backup quarterback situation.


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[Assistant] Betonio, I would rest because he's got the back thing and whatever else. I know why it's been nicked up a little bit at times this year. Yeah, why play him? So, but, but at not every spot do you have the luxury of saying- Sure.


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[Assistant] I think it's energized, like the whole locker room, it's the best since I've started hanging around that team. This is by far the best it's ever been. Why do you think? Because they're winning. I actually wrote about this the other day, it was more, I compared Flacco's impact on this locker room to Channing Frye when he came over to the Cavs.


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[Assistant] And a couple of people were like, what are you talking about? Like, that team had LeBron. I'm like, yea, no shit that team had LeBron. Yea. But. This team has Miles Garrett. But, but what, what Chani did was he broke down walls, he broke down clicks, and he unified the entire team.


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[Assistant] I've seen Joe do that here where he's just energizing the entire team. He walked into the Super Bowl ring and when he talks...


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[Assistant] It's hard to say because we're actually not in there a ton. And I was actually talking to a couple of players when I was writing the Channing story about like,


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[Assistant] Miles loves screwing around with the defensive guys and even Amari Cooper who is the quietest guy in the locker room the last few weeks has been yelling and hooping and hollering and dancing and getting into it like...


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[Assistant] Everybody is having a great, that locker room does have more players in it now than it usually does during media availability. Just because everybody's in a great mood.


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[Assistant] The story I'm referring to is between Tim and now. It's, it's not that far.


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[Assistant] An hour before the season opener, a defensive back punch and offensive lineman over music.


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[Assistant] Tim, I said earlier there's two reasons why you would start Jeff Jessica. Either you're trying to protect PJ Walker and make sure both your quarterbacks are healthy going to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Or, what I believe, you want to see if Jeff Driscoll can replace PJ Walker as your backup quarterback. Is that insane to think that one start in week 18 could be enough to leapfrog P- I just don't think that Kevin has any faith in PJ Walker because he's a turnover machine. So I guess that's a long-winded way of saying how important do you think this game is for Jeff Driscoll and the Browns, uh, against the Bengals?


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[Assistant] Real quick, I was looking it up. I was, as he was talking about the way he was handled here, I was going to ask him, he was a junior when he left Kentucky. What if he went back for his senior year? Does he ever think about how life could be different?


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't remember. I gotta look it up. Akili Smith was the other quarterback. Bengals, yeaah. Was in, er, yeaah. No, but that was in 99. 99. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Okay, I think that there are components to what Deshaun does.


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[Assistant] That work really well that they can continue to do. And, and I really, I'm not saying scrap all of it. I'm talking, I think I would take this more the formation route. I know we talked to Mary Kay about this a couple of weeks ago. I think Kevin can take the data to Deshawn and say, look, this is why I want you under center. Not all the time.


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[Assistant] 30% of the time. 30% of the time. I want you under center running play action, take care of the ball. And I think I mentioned this on the show when, when they were recruiting.


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[Assistant] Deshaun in Rusty Harden's office in Houston and Kevin and Deshaun were talking and Deshaun said like,


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[Assistant] Play action and ball fakes. And this is what I've been trying to allude to for the last few weeks. No one's going to come out and say this.


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[Assistant] But if you just pay attention and connect the dots and go back to Kevin telling Deshawn that in, in, when they were in Rusty's office. Kevin's a big proponent and.


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[Assistant] The yards per play out of that, it's like seven and a half yards of play as opposed to any other way.


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[Assistant] Like, he gets really good production out of that. And it may not seem like a big deal, but it's just that split second of...


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[Assistant] Making the defense believe that there's a possibility for a handoff is all you need. Right. To make this thing go. So, and, and, and I'm not even saying that Deshaun caught him on that because I've said it on the show. I talked to Deshaun after the Baltimore game when he broke his shoulder and he said like,


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[Assistant] I've never done this before, and this is different, but you know, I'm willing to try it, I'm willing to do it, but it's just, it was unfamiliar to him because he was always out of the shotgun in Clemson, he was primarily out of the shotgun in Houston, and there's been, you know, they wanted to get him under center a little bit more.


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[Assistant] And every time I say this, people say I'm trying to pick Kevin against Deshaun, and that's not it at all. Like, I'm not saying that.


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[Assistant] I'm just telling you, this is something Kevin wants to do. It's something he believes in. It's something that Sean has never done before. So it's sort of a work in progress. But I think this, this stretch with Flacco,


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[Assistant] Is all the proof that Deshaun should need of this really works. Trust me on this. You can still do, we can still do what you like to do and you can operate out of the shotgun.


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[Assistant] 70% of the time, 65, 70% of the time, whatever it is, the number is arbitrary. But trust me on this, let's run this as well, and we're gonna have great success that way.


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[Assistant] Tim Graham's a colleague of mine at the Athletic in Buffalo. Tim's actually from Cleveland. I worked with him generations ago at my first job. Really good guy. And he and I are working on a back and forth debate piece on comeback player of the year, Damar Hamlin or Joe Flacco. He's obviously stumping for Damar and I'm taking, I'm taking Joe. Why it is silly.


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[Assistant] But the whole reason I brought that up was because I was looking at 300 yard games and I don't have it in front of me now, but like I think C.J. Stroud has like seven 300 yard games this year I think. There haven't been a lot this year. But basically Joe has like one less than Mahomes. I think Patrick Mahomes has


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[Assistant] What's Joe have four? So then I think Patrick has five.


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[Assistant] He should have probably won. Although he has had seasons in the past where he's tailed off. We've talked about that. I think motivation has a lot to do with it. We've talked about that.


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[Assistant] There was a time not long ago when I had serious concerns about how much longer Miles was going to be in Cleveland. And those are gone.


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[Assistant] He is a tremendous story of a guy who's really sort of come out of his shell this year.


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[Assistant] In terms of, what he says the media really doesn't count. I mean, it doesn't matter. Yeaah. But.


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[Assistant] In terms of his play on the field, but you can sort of gauge it just in terms of where he's at. And he used to never want to talk, never used to say anything. And now he's just, he's a, he's a machine. He's a quote machine. He's very insightful and he's very happy.


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[Assistant] And you know, and David has said early on that...


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[Assistant] His relationship with Kevin was rocky at first. And I've had other people tell me, you know, Kevin did a tremendous job of getting David to buy back in and get him back in the boat and pick up the oars again and start rowing because he was out. And when they drafted him,


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[Assistant] Uh, who could, who was just an athlete and he's really become a football player.


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[Assistant] Basically, the Browns were keeping opposing defenses out on the field an extra full game because their defense was so good at getting off the field.


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[Assistant] Where would Ohio State have been in 2002 without Lydell Ross? Because they wouldn't give Maurice Claire at the ball at the goal line. They made Lydell Ross do the carries. Like, come on. I'm just saying, he's benefited.


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[Assistant] You know, I look at it and we've talked about how snake-bitten the Browns are.


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[Assistant] We talk about only in Cleveland things happening, but just take a look at the bounces that they've got this year. This game was two weeks ago. CJ Stroud is playing his tail off. He looks like he's an MVP candidate and you come around. They take a bad L to the Jets. CJ Stroud gets hurt. He has the concussion.


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[Assistant] Now, you get your old friend, Case Keenum out, and you're ready to go, and you have Joe Flacco, you feel good about this game, but so many games, you got Joe Burrow when he was hurt, the 49ers, Deebo Samuel goes out, PJ Walker wins these Miraculous games, DTR wins that game too. Let's go miss the kick.


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[Assistant] No, and you're starting to hear that echo. You're starting to hear that from all of the guys. I know. Think about it. You went from people, we getting on people for saying, I don't like the Cleveland Browns. I don't want anything that would do with them. They should be on at one o'clock. The national media is like, what are we going to do about this story?


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[Assistant] And then now, you fast forward to now, people are saying the Browns are the best story in the league.


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco is a great story. He's the Faskey Coach of the Year. So, it's funny how these things morph into, uh, and they've showed a lot of people. I don't think we'll say this anymore, but show us how many teams had their starting quarterback gone.


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[Assistant] And they still competed. Indianapolis is still competing. The Browns are there. Uh, you know, Cincinnati is still there. The Pittsburgh Steelers are still there. It is showing you that. Although I would say the Steelers are collapsing.


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[Assistant] Your season isn't over. Right, you can get through it. You can still get through it. It's not gonna be easy, but they've shown that you can do that.


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[Assistant] And all of his undrafted free agents, they played. All of his, all of his, his guys he brought in for free agency. All of them have been good. Harris, Thomason, uh, uh, Hurst. All three of those guys played lights out. Ogbo. Ogbo played great. They've contributed.


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[Assistant] Could you, could you, could you run a fantasy football league combined on the same team with your husband?


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[Assistant] Uhm, yes, we're not, we can't, we can't, we can't throw Kevin Stefanski under the bus for play to play. That's done. Like he has no offensive line. Right. And as a matter of fact,


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[Assistant] I think if he wins the next three games, he's a lot for uh, he should be the coach of the year.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Malcolm X out there. We can come out here and look, we got to have it.


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[Assistant] I don't know what kind of music they listening to, whether it's DMX or Jay-Z or whatever. I need all the gangster music playing and I need you to be here stopping this run. Because right now, they're down in their top three.


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[Assistant] If they can bring that home field type mentality to what they're doing, uh, against the Texans, you got a great opportunity to shut down the run game. And then if you can get up and we can get a couple of scores early,


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[Assistant] Now we can take all that out of them, out of play action, dink and dunk. Now Case Keenum, who we know intimately.


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[Assistant] Has to push the ball down field without his best playmakers. And I believe that's when we can get those straps, those, those, those strip sacks. We can get the fumbles, we can get the tackles for loss. And that's what we need to get to. We gotta start off fast.


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[Assistant] If you look at it, you gotta get credit for this. No one liked your team.


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[Assistant] They just, they eviscerated your team in the media. Look at it this way. Who has the, who's the toughest division in football?


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[Assistant] And just think about it like this, man, and this will blow your mind away. The Kansas City Chiefs have had Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes all year, the whole time.


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[Assistant] And the Cleveland Browns could have the same record as them with four or five quarterbacks. Well, they have the same record right now, right?


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[Assistant] That's, that, if you would have said that, that's crazy. I know these other teams might make the playoff, but the Browns, if they went out, just didn't make the playoff.


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[Assistant] And on top of it, they got the best defense. So when you look at it, like, and they have a best defense because they made a conscious effort to go out and go get Jim Schwartz and get the pieces they need.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not, but listen, I'm not gonna go into this thing, and if Jim Schwartz is up for jobs, I'm not gonna come out here and be like, well, the next guy, no it's not. Jim Schwartz is not replaceable in what this defense is doing.


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[Assistant] I like the way they play. I like the way everybody comes in and plays. I don't care if they got to offer him six more positions that are, that are figurehead positions underneath Tufanski. Assistant coach, head coach, assistant. They're likely to be associate. Associate, assistant, vice. I don't care. Just add some to it, give him a bag and see he's not going nowhere. Pay him the most of anything.


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[Assistant] Now we might get some draft picks up front. Now think about it like that. Usually, you know, last year he came in, he didn't really have any say in who these guys are. Now you can get guys, now you're two, he's gonna be working with some of the young guys you got.


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[Assistant] And so, you want to keep that consistency, especially the way the team responds to him. Everybody you talk to say, I just love it. Denzel Ward is playing better. Ray Newsome is playing better. So, I think we're putting the cart before the horse a little bit. We got a lot of playoff and a lot of stuff down the road, but yeaah, I'm not too high on him leaving and going away.


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[Assistant] You know, Miles Garrett, we gotta look at it like, I think we're not used to giving, uh, you know, the Browns benefited or died on certain things. Like, if this was another player, they would say, well, he's the best player in the best defense.


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[Assistant] Well now, now they're coming around to it. Now they're a little, but we, we naturally assume that he has to have the most sacks for him to be in the conversation. And I thought Kevin Stefanski said it, uhm, I thought he had a good point.


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[Assistant] You know, we get caught in sacks a lot, but it's more than sacks. It's more than that number that proves that you're the best player and the most valuable player.


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[Assistant] I'll actually, well I'll throw this out at you guys because, you know, Jason has said this before.


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[Assistant] So, Jason said, hey, you know, that Brown, they should sign him. I've seen some stuff that he's done. That was in the middle of the year. Sign who? Uh, Kevin Stefanski. Oh, okay. Now, if Kevin Stefanski wins Coach of the Year, they have to sign him, okay?


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[Assistant] But he's been here with five years? Yeah, this will be his fourth. So who has won two culture of the years in their first four?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree. At least get there. Does that put him, if you had to rank them, would that put him in say the top 5 or top 10 of coaches today? I would have him in the top 10, not top 5.


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[Assistant] Is, is, is there any, you said there's no world where he does not get a contract extension. Is there any world where he does not accept a contract extension? No chance.


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[Assistant] And looks at another greener pasture with more power or more


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[Assistant] Or the opportunity, I don't know if he seems to be an ambitious man, but I think every, every coach has, the holy grail is, you're the head coach, you call the plays,


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[Assistant] Uhm, not in real life, but he just was like, yo G Bush, good looking out. Uh, you gonna ride with me three weeks from the ball? I said, I got to. We ain't got a running game. Uh, we, we, I'm cool for all the flea flickers and reverses that you want, dawg.


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[Assistant] They got the most three and outs in the league. And they only give up, uh, they've given up about a hundred less first downs over the total of two years. So there's less plays you have.


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[Assistant] And when you mix that with the ability to bring pressure and the creativity,


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[Assistant] And the fact that he puts maximum pressure, I, I, I think, uh, uhm, Chris Sim said this. He's like,


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[Assistant] I love watching the Browns because the Browns defensively under uh, Jim Schwartz, they don't, they don't do the things other teams do. They'll say, all right, it's first and 10.


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[Assistant] Let's run cover three. Give them a little cushion. We might think they're going to run the ball. Let's give them four on this play. Yeah. Jim Schwartz don't give you nothing. He don't concede nothing. He's like, just give you four.


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[Assistant] Let's go play press man coverage, bring somebody and we think we can get you for a four yard loss. Now with second and 14.


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[Assistant] So when you get down first, if you're second in 14, second in 12, you're done because they're pass rush.


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[Assistant] I think they do it because I think there's smoke and mirrors you could do. Uhm, you know, Goodwin is, looks like he's back in the mix. Uhm, you could always see Jet Sweep. Jet Sweep, so you don't need the emergence of the Elijah Moore package without Elijah Moore.


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[Assistant] I think for a while, the last couple of weeks, we haven't run very many screens and the one screen we did run to Pierre Strong got called back.


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[Assistant] No, but I'm talking about the long handoff. To me, that's not part of the question.


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[Assistant] But what I'm speaking towards, how can they, you know, finagle it?


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[Assistant] If, you know, they can't run the football up front. There's other things you can do. Kind of the quick stuff out and about. So uhm, but yeaah, I think they'll get 85. Like you said, that's a big run. You get 25 yards. You got 60 more to go. Uhm, and you get more guys backs. Only thing I worry about is them holding when you do break.


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[Assistant] Right, right, right. That's painful. Like, to, to have a- Well, they did that once last week. Oh man, that was a hell of a good run. First down, it was critical, and it was a big, big call.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You can see those holes. He's gonna get, if it's, if it's. He's hard to tackle. If he's under three yards, he's getting.


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[Assistant] He's getting that three yards. Like, I just, he just is what it is. To me, for me, when I look at Jerome Ford, and I know people like, oh well, you know, nobody could have ran on that. There's times where,


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[Assistant] You know, we talk about it in football since reading color in the hole. Sometimes when you run in that zone play, when the opposite jersey flashes now, like now,


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[Assistant] He takes another step and a half before he decides that's not where he can go. And by then it's too late. It's done. And he always ends up going to the sideline and crumpling him down after two. You can't have two to three yard losses like that. When you see color in a hole,