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[Assistant] Checking and rechecking to see what computer this classified document appeared on. The gravity of it was, was quite palpable and I thought this is going to be a really tough story as it comes out.


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[Assistant] It was hard to read in the press. NSA is lawless. NSA out of control. None of those resonate with us. That's not us. That's not what we are aiming towards. That's not how we hold ourselves accountable. Our ultimate goal is to prevent things from, bad things from happening to ensure the national security.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna lie, I've heard the music, I'm excited about the music, but then when I realized that you had brought my man Trippy back into the girlfriend world, I was like, holy shit, there must be something special about her.


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[Assistant] Double XL freshman list. You made your play for it.


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[Assistant] That is amazing. What, yeah, what, what energy do you feel? Cause this is like, it's a very prime time for women rapping in the game. And it feels like the, the, the people's appetites are whetted. They want, they want new energy. They want to feel something different. Like what would you describe as like what you were doing musically and what you're bringing to the table?


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[Assistant] So what, alright, Jersey though, Jersey has like a very interesting history, like do you feel like a, like a New York City girl to any extent?


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[Assistant] People don't know, there's a million different habitats out there. I'm from Nashville, New Hampshire, right outside of Boston.


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[Assistant] Wow. That's actually amazing that you've made it this far. I'm gonna venture a guess, you might have made it further than anybody from Roxbury before.


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[Assistant] Weed is kinda legal now, all of a sudden, yeaah. But last time I went to a show out there, and we were smoking like heavy, but they were also acting like we were doing heroin or something. They were acting, it was like real shady.


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[Assistant] So wha- wha- do you spend much time in Jersey now or are you just like on the road constantly just taking opportunities and doing whatever you-


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[Assistant] Wow, okay. Damn, that's crazy. You know, it's like a big decision as a woman now, like how, to what extent you want to sort of sexualize yourself and show yourself looking super sexy versus like letting, focusing on the music.


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[Assistant] I mean, you got that attitude, I can tell already. I can tell why my man's fussed with you is because I don't think he can handle being around a girl that isn't confident, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. Uhm, can we, can we get him over here?


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[Assistant] You do, you got the butterfly? Oh shit, what's that say?


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[Assistant] Oh shit, we got the Powderpuff Girls? I'm assuming you got that before Lil Pump got it on his neck.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you want to be a Powerpuff Girls though, you feel like that, is that the energy you're bringing to the game?


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[Assistant] That's you in the center? Oh yeaah, there you go. Oh shit.


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[Assistant] So what can we expect for you from the rest of the year? You got a project dropping soon or anything?


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[Assistant] Okay, Adam 22 of No Jumper here, reporting live for Audio Mac, and I'm with my good friend Baby Goth, how you doing?


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[Assistant] I'm doing amazing. I just want to say that I've been doing like an Instagram story with everybody I interviewed so far, but I've been doing it after the interview and I was just wondering if you want to just do it right now just because I think it would be good for the vibes.


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[Assistant] Alright, heavy vibes. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm in here reporting with Baby Goth.


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[Assistant] See I have this whole like hair thing going on all of a sudden, it's kind of rough.


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[Assistant] I think it's such a funny story that the first time we ever met was because I thought I was going to a lil baby video.


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[Assistant] That kinda makes sense, yeaah, like, the doll, doll had a wave.


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[Assistant] That's another thing I dealt with too, I wasn't sure if I was calling you goth baby or baby goth.


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[Assistant] But I think that was maybe before we uh, followed on Instagram, so I got a little bit more tapped in. Anyway, uhm.


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[Assistant] Like actually, I have a thing where if I've had a couple of drinks, I start asking fans for cigarettes.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what do you feel like you're kind of like building up towards? Like do you have like a big album or project in mind that's sort of coming forward or are you like more happy just like doing the YouTube video thing and like keeping focusing on each drop?


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[Assistant] Hmm, the true baby. Okay, let me ask you this. Out of the other babies,


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[Assistant] Which one would you say that you actually listen to the most throughout your life?


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, Duh Baby is probably the one outside of you that I've spent the most time listening to right now. I feel like, dude, that would be a collab right there though, Goth Baby and Duh Baby. I don't know if he's ready to get Goth, and I don't know if you're ready to get Duh.


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[Assistant] He does. Did you leave the tag on for these pants? Huh? Did you leave the tag on?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was just gonna say, I saw a YouTube video that, uh, suggested that Trevor Bauer is doing a lot better in Japan than he started, and that, like, a lot of people in Japan actually like him.


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[Assistant] I'm on vacation in two hours and six minutes. Starting early.


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[Assistant] Jersey Shore. We're going to Jersey Shore. Okay. Long weekend. I'll be back. We'll be back late Sunday night.


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[Assistant] The first day I normally get third degree burns everywhere and then I spend the rest of the trip underneath the umbrella with the shirt on.


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[Assistant] Jason. Perion needs help and maybe you have to hit rock bottom before that happens and maybe this is rock bottom for him. I don't know how much lower it could go. I think his career is in grave danger. I don't know who's willing to give him another chance right now. Listen, the book on Perion is a lot deeper than what has even been out there. Like we've heard stuff going back to Oklahoma and


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[Assistant] You know, the, the security department of the Browns, but they pulled up on him going into the draft and there was all kinds of flags around this guy.


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[Assistant] Going into the draft and issues he had with vehicles.


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[Assistant] This past season that didn't all come out and I know a lot, but don't have enough confirmed to say, you know what I mean? It's one of those because of the role. I mean, but there's a lot out there with him.


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[Assistant] He should have been cut a long time ago. He had no business being on, even on this team to this point. After the most recent off-season incident, he should have been cut. Because he wasn't, the charges, I don't want to misspeak, the charges weren't dropped because they were false. It was dropped because he went through this program.


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[Assistant] Really sort of kept it in line. He had the one traffic incident after he got here. But the Browns were the first team to rush in and draft, er, sign Kareem.


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[Assistant] Really before he even had a chance to sort of rehab himself or whatever word you want to use. They were first in line.


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[Assistant] Then the whole Deshaun thing. Now Parion. Guys, you're out of chances. You can't do this anymore. You cannot take chances on mid-level guys who have a history of violence against women. You just can't. There's plenty of other football players out there to go pick from. The Browns are out of chances as far as I'm concerned. They've used all their chips now.


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[Assistant] He should have been gone already. I hope he gets his life together. I hope he finds counseling. He needs it. Clearly he needs it. It's just, there's just too much smoke around this guy. And it's a shame because, I mean, go back to draft night, everybody loved him because he was such, he seemed like such a great entertaining personality.


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[Assistant] Have people gone out of their way to clean up his mess because of who he is, because he was a top football player in Oklahoma, because he played on the Browns. Someone has always cleaned up his mess for him.


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[Assistant] No, and Mikey sent this out this morning, right? When he sent out, my first thought was, well, Perrin wasn't going to make this team anyway. That's why I understand why he was, why was he here? He wasn't going to make this team.


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[Assistant] I mean, I haven't, I haven't had anyone in the organization tell me he wasn't going to make it, but just, just watching at his production level, watching.


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[Assistant] Here's why he had a chance. Zach Jackson, my partner at the athletic made a fantastic observation that frankly I didn't see. So we, we had the opportunity to watch some film of Jim Schwartz's past defenses in Philly.


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[Assistant] And Zach made the observation, if you look at the, I think it was the right defensive tackle, had the exact same frame as Parion. Like it was identical to Parion. So that's why I guess he would have had a chance. I don't, I, I didn't think he was going to make this team.


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[Assistant] I think we talked about it over the whole off season. I think he was going to make it. So therefore, now if you need a camp body, okay, fine. If you need someone for, for reps for the summer heat, you want to rotate guys in, okay, then go ahead and sign someone. But I don't know that necessarily anyone that they sign, they have any intention of keeping to make this team because I don't think Parian was going to make this team anyway.


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[Assistant] Maybe they get through camp and realize they still have a need there. Right. Or there's an injury.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree with most of what you just said, but did you really have that much confidence in Perry on Winfreak?


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[Assistant] I mean, some of the guys on that list are better than Perry on Winfrey right now.


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[Assistant] Why didn't, why weren't they here anyway? You know, that's what I'm saying. I don't know that, that cutting Winfrey really has that much of a change because those guys were already better.


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[Assistant] If you're signing starting free agents it's because you blew the draft. That's right. Speaking of which...


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[Assistant] Jimmy Haslam had a lot to do with that. Barry had the relationship with David Mulligutter, the agent. They stayed in touch after Deshawn said no. Andrew kept the conversation going. But Jimmy, Jimmy going over the top and saying, let's guarantee $230 million had as much or more to do with Deshawn coming here.


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[Assistant] The answer is Antonetti, in course of the long, whole body of work.


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[Assistant] Here's where Kobe could catch them. And I've said for years, the Guardians are the best running team in town and it's not even close. Here's where Kobe can catch them. The Cavs have the best.


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[Assistant] The, the calves have the best situation right now for a general manager or for a decision maker because you have all of Dan's money and none of his influence. And that's never been the case before. The money always came with strings attached. Same with the Browns. You've got a crazy man in charge.


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[Assistant] And, and both independence and in Berea where you've got all this money, but you've got someone behind it saying we want to do this. No, we're going to go. No, let's go do this. No,


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[Assistant] And that's gone now, at least for the Cavs. So Kobe actually has the best position that any Cavs GM has had since Dan bought the team.


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[Assistant] Because you really don't have the day to day interference from ownership that you had that Danny Ferry dealt with, that Chris Grant dealt with, that David Griffin dealt with. That's all gone.


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[Assistant] Yet you still have the aggressive nature of wanting to spend and wanting to go for it. And Kobe's done a nice job of hitting on his picks. Like they've hit, they hit on Colin Sexton. Now I don't like the way that they used him and I thought they tried to build him into something that he wasn't and that's a whole other thing. It doesn't matter anymore. But the fact is they had an eighth overall pick and they drafted a guy who can play in the NBA for a long time. Darius Garland, they hit on the pick. Okoro, I didn't like that one. I don't know how you take a guy that high who can't shoot.


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[Assistant] And it's a, it's a well run team now. The Cavs are a well run team with a ton of money behind them and not a lot of influence from ownership. It's a perfect scenario for a guy in his position. The Guardians are still number one though just because of what they've been able to do with the limitations that they've had from payroll. Again, another organization with a ton of stability and no spending.


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[Assistant] Well, that's not the calves issue now. The calves actually have stability and spending. And the Browns are third just until we see otherwise. They just have to be third.


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[Assistant] They could buy, but they have to buy guys with multiple years of control. They're not buying a rental at this point.


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[Assistant] Let me start. No, he hasn't lost his touch. I think the argument of, has a guy lost his touch, it's when Tony LaRouche has been out of baseball for 15 years and then comes back. It's when John Gruden's been sitting in the studio for 10, 15 years and then tries to come back. That's when guys, that's when the game changes and evolves beyond what they are accustomed to.


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[Assistant] Has, has he had some bad luck this year? Yes. Has he made questionable decisions? Yeah, of course. Sure. Every manager has.


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[Assistant] You know, Hentges is blown up on him. He loves Sam Hentges. I remember when Hentges was first coming up and there was the comparisons to Andrew Miller and this could be a Miller type and they used him as a starter. It didn't work out. They put him in this reliever role.


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[Assistant] You're not always gonna hit the right button. It doesn't mean he's lost his touch. Sevali, I don't think they have a ton of faith in him, frankly, to go very deep into games.


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[Assistant] To get over that 100 pitch mark, I think, you know, Zach Meisel wrote about today, he referenced the story bowl that Zach had on the athletic today, that he got tired after, I forget how many pitches he threw his last start, 79 or 81 or something like that.


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[Assistant] So I, and we saw it actually with the Yankees early in the year, Yankee Domingo Hermann after five innings almost every start, whether it's not wanting to give them another look. I know. And then he pitched a perfect game after he got blown up for like two or three starts.


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[Assistant] It had, it could do with where they were at in the lineup and not wanting to see guys another time through. There's multiple factors that go into it.


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[Assistant] I don't think Tito's lost his touch at all. He's a Hall of Fame manager. He hasn't taken any time away from the game. He has kept up for being an old school manager. I think Tito has sort of integrated more of the advanced analytics and he's embraced that more than a lot of the old school guys have. I think he's just fine. It's just one of those years.


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[Assistant] If he could play against his former team 162 games, he'd be an All-Star. Because he hammered the Pirates and he hammered the Nationals.


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[Assistant] I'm so done with Josh, I'm just done with him. He hasn't been that awful. I'm done with him. He has been better. Sixteen and a half million dollars.


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[Assistant] Well what's funny is in spring training they were saying they can't carry Freeman and Arius together because there's too much overlap. Well that's exactly what they're doing now is carrying them together. Yes. So everything they said in spring training they've now pivoted basically 180 degrees on. Right.


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[Assistant] Uh, but the whole Gonzalez thing, the one he needs to be taken abats from is Miles Straw. And I don't know that they're ready to make that.


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[Assistant] I, I, I agree. Listen, I said Brennan, Kwan, Straw, which is not good. Pick one of them as your center fielder, go get two new corner bats. At least get Gonzalez and move Brennan to center, although I still would like Kwan in center and two new corner guys and make Brennan your fourth outfielder. I don't know how this ends with Miles Straw. I don't know how this is going to end. There's a lot of guaranteed money committed to him. I don't know how they're going to get off that, if they even want to get off that.


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[Assistant] But the move for Gonzales is to take a bats away from Miles straw and I don't know if they're ready to do that.


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[Assistant] Is there pressure to win or be fired by, in terms of front office people? No. And Tito? No. They're not going anywhere. Nor should they.


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[Assistant] You know when the pressure comes, is when new ownership comes in. Yes, that's right. That's when the pressure gets ratchet.


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[Assistant] How do you not have someone on the show say, you can't do that? Yeah. Like how does someone not have a great draft pick trades in baseball?


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[Assistant] I'm not as good at that as I thought I would be. I get annoyed. Every time I miss one, I quit. I'm done. I just get mad and pout.


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[Assistant] They got me with Bob Gibson on that a couple weeks ago.


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[Assistant] I've never gotten all 9. I got 8 was the best.


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[Assistant] I'll start with you, Jason. Go ahead. Yeah, I think they're done making any moves of significance. I don't...


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[Assistant] It would take another wacky sign in trade, which I guess is possible, but I think that they are pretty much...


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[Assistant] No. Oh, no. With a sign and trade just allows you to pay a person more money. Okay. But it still counts against your total tax number. So they'd still go over the luxury tax? Well, unless they can match up enough salaries to keep them out of the tax. Oh, that's true. Yeah, okay. They're not going to be taxed.


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[Assistant] Right, exactly. So they're not going to be a taxpaying team this year. They should not be.


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[Assistant] I don't think they should, I think it's the right move to wait another year. And I've said it before, if you're going to go into the tax, you don't want to go into the tax by a million. Right. Now!


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[Assistant] You could sign someone that you don't pay the tax and you're not technically a tax paying team till the end of the year. Right. So you can make a move now and then have the trade deadline to try and get yourself out of the tax.


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[Assistant] It's hard to do that because teams know what you're doing and the price goes up to dump money at that point. So it is possible to go into the tax now and then get out of the tax by the trade deadline, but it is very risky and, and it's, teams have done it. Plenty of teams have done it over the years. Is Kevin Love's money still on the books for this year? No, no.


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[Assistant] At the end of this year? Yea. I don't know if there really is any big dollar. I don't think there is any big dollar.


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[Assistant] Levert? Levert was two years. Two years. So they're trying to keep everything clean by the end. They want everything, I think, to end for Mobley. I need to look. I need to look. But yea, Mobley, when Mobley gets signs his big extension is when they are a taxpaying team. Which is in two years? He has...


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[Assistant] I think his, I think his extension kicks in when Laverz comes off.


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[Assistant] I think, but I'd have to, I'd have to look at the numbers.


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[Assistant] Correct? Donovan has two years of control and then a player option. Right, which he'll opt out of. I would imagine. So he has two years of team control left.


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[Assistant] Less than a 20, that's a lot of numbers. Less than a 20% chance. Two years from now? Yes.


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[Assistant] I'd say it's less than 50, but I don't, I won't say less than 20. Okay, so I think it depends on how this year goes. This is a massive year. If they get to the conference finals and they're rolling and they feel good about where they're at and he feels good about everything around him, yeah, he could stay for sure.


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[Assistant] And then I think you need to have, like, technically he could sign an extension now. He's not going to, but he could. Right.


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[Assistant] But, you know, if next year goes well, you can have that conversation with him and maybe you tear up the last bit on his deal and you get him to sign a new deal.


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[Assistant] Right, and they're willing to pay it. Like they're willing, and then when you get to the repeat offender stuff, that's when you got really hard decisions to make.


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[Assistant] And where the Cavs get screwed, and the thing that could stop all of this is that second tier of taxpaying teams. And I don't know, it's too early to say what that number is going to be and how that would impact them down the road. But that second threshold,


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[Assistant] So that could be prohibitive to what they're trying to do, but in terms of.


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[Assistant] You can sign them to whatever deal you want once they're in house. Extension wise.


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[Assistant] Garland. Oh, I haven't, I haven't checked into that. I mean, it's the, you'll get those stories when everyone, everyone's in the best shape of their life. This guy put on 15, it's the best shape of the life season in October. I don't really pay much.


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[Assistant] You know what I want Mobley to do? Fix your shot. I don't care. He does need to get bigger. I'm talking Evan. Not Isaiah. Evan needs to get bigger and stronger for sure.


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[Assistant] But Evan needs to fix his shot. That's what I want. That's what I hope he's working on. I'm sure he is working on if he's got to take a step as a shooter next year.


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[Assistant] And again, you don't have to sign them for 3 million. You can sign them for more and execute some sort of sign and trade.


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[Assistant] The Rubio last year, I guess I'd take Ubre, but they still need a backup point card.


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[Assistant] Does Charlotte really want a second round pick to take on 6 billion or Ricky Rubio?


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[Assistant] But I think he can be better than what he showed you last year. Like there's a lot of room in between where he was two years ago and where he was last year.


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[Assistant] There's quite a bit of a gap in there. So I do think that he can help this team.


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[Assistant] Like a veteran backup point guard who doesn't need the ball in his hands?


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[Assistant] To produce, like, is exactly what they, cause they've got two ball dominant guards now. If you've got Ricky who can come in and give these guys a blow,


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[Assistant] And can distribute and knows how to run the offense.


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[Assistant] We'll know, we'll know fairly early on this year.


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[Assistant] I think he's off limits to them for a year. Oh, okay. I think.


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[Assistant] No, it was Zydrunas, because Zydrunas, they traded Zydrunas to get Antoine Jameson. Washington bought him out, and he came right back. And after that is when they, they read the rules.


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[Assistant] Now the, the league frowned upon, cause it was like, like the Cavs got Jameson for nothing. Or a first round, I think they gave him a first round pick. That's not nothing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think it's getting to a billion, but he is gonna get...


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[Assistant] He's worth every penny he gets. And I think I agree with the idea of trading him because I don't think he's coming back.


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[Assistant] But once you trade him, it's really hard to get that guy to come back. Right. It's a Carlos Bruiser situation where you're taking a guy at his word or whatever.


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[Assistant] What the Cavs did was basically illegal. Yeaah. And they let him out of this contract to restructure, I don't remember all the details. I was talking to someone about that, uh, a few months ago. And basically they knew right away, as soon as they let him out of the deal, they knew they were screwed. That he, he had no, like this was... He just lied to them. He just lied to them. Yeaah. He just lied to them.


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[Assistant] For nothing. I agree. The guy's the best player in baseball. If you're not 90% confident or more that you're gonna get him back, I think you have to deal him. Yeah. But I hope he does.


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[Assistant] Would you rather trade him to an American League team or the Dodgers? Probably an American League team in their case. Yea, especially if it's, you know, non-division.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I mean, that Jose contract is the best in baseball. It is the best in baseball.


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[Assistant] Hey dog, hey dog. I was actually watching at one and a half speed trying to catch up.


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[Assistant] That's the first thing I thought of. Yeaah. When you're talking about all the work that these guys have to do. And the one thing about Mahomes that was interesting, I'm gonna mess this up. His trainer was talking about he only loses 3% of motion and most guys lose 20%. That was wild.


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[Assistant] I didn't think about that, but it's a good question. I mean, he was gallivanting through Europe.


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[Assistant] I haven't heard of that before. Now again, I spent most of my career around the NBA, not the NFL. But in the last few years I've been around the NFL, I have not heard of that. It doesn't mean it's not happening. I could actually see Kevin being open to something like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I could see that because he's, he actually is very collaborative but I haven't heard of any specific period. I'll ask around. I'll poke around on that and see if that's common or not.


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[Assistant] You see him? Except for Johnny Menzo. He's floating around on the dock.


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[Assistant] I like Burrow. I would like to see Josh Allen too. I really like the Baker one. I like Derek, Derek Carr. I'd like to see Derek Carr.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers would be a lot of fun. I think he'd be great. I think he'd, he'd be great. Well, he's going to be on hard knocks. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Does the NFL have to sign off on this? I guess they do. Yeah, the NFL has control over everything. They would have to sign off on it.


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[Assistant] I didn't make it far enough into the, to say who won and who lost, but is Mahomes dipshit brother in this at all?


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[Assistant] And I've always been a Cousins fan. I've always liked Cousins. And by the way,


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[Assistant] That's my vacation. I ain't doing that. I'm going to Florida for nine days, late February, early March. I've looked at it way out early. Nine days, you got your support? And I'm not going to the beach once, I don't think.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's the way to do it. That's criminal. I'm not gonna lie, Bull. That's, that's bad. I'm gonna have a pool, I'm gonna get an Airbnb, we're gonna have a pool, we're gonna have a hot tub. And listen, what I want- Maybe, maybe in the beach in the morning. What part of Florida? What part?


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[Assistant] We'll stay away from that. Lots to get to today.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, it always baffled me when I would put on the news why everybody was wearing a shirt and tie. It always seemed dumb to me. It always seemed dumb that anybody had to go to a job and wear a shirt and tie. Or why women forced themselves to wear high heels.


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[Assistant] And there was this girl, she's walking down the aisle towards like the, the floor seats. She, she, you know, had just eaten so she was up to 67 pounds. And she must have been wearing like foot, a foot long heel.


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[Assistant] This is insane, this is, it's our fault, it's men, we've ruined the world.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. This is a sports show. You know, what makes this show unique is, we are totally honest, we don't, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] We don't fit into societal norms. We don't fit into TV or radio norms. We do our thing. And when you sit, this show is supposed to be about sitting in a bar or sitting in your man cave with your buddies and chatting about sports.


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[Assistant] And when you do that, you don't wear a shirt and tie. You don't wear pants in the summer. You can walk around naked if you want. Tomorrow, Jason's coming in naked.


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[Assistant] Let's go. If anybody doesn't like it, it's tough. Uh, by the way, I watched, I didn't really watch. I was listening to it in my car. You're, you're a behind the glass podcast yesterday. I was driving and so I had it. What's the only annoying thing about YouTube is that if you're listening to it in the car,


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[Assistant] You have to have the app open. Yea, you can't close it and still listen. It's a pain in the ass. I don't know why that happened. But I was listening to it, so I wasn't actually watching it except when I saw Anthony's giant headphones for a second. But uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, I, Earl, I, I, I, I know we're gonna talk about parrying one free for a minute, you know, in a little bit in terms of what this means going forward in the position, but I just wanted to say, I, I thought Earl, uh, was really great when he was talking about


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[Assistant] Quick to get into a fight. I got into a lot of fights when I was young.


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[Assistant] Now I don't know if that's happening as much these days because it seems like when there's an incident between teenagers these days, guns come out. And when I was a kid, that wasn't happening. Fists came out. Yea, you beat the crap out of each other and then you went home. You went home and that was that. You put a bag of peas on your eye and you lived.


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[Assistant] Apologizing for him at all. Perrion Winfrey, putting your hands on a woman is never okay. Never. End of conversation. It's never okay to put your hands on a woman.


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[Assistant] Especially me, who's now 52 years old, and outside of no offense, Director Steve, I'm the oldest one here.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's easy for me to say, well, you gotta learn to control that temper. Well, that took me a long time. When I was peri- I never put my hands on a woman in my life. But when I was, uh, on-


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[Assistant] When I was Perry on Winfrey's age, I could see somebody saying something stupid to me and me wanting to fight. Now again, I


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[Assistant] No, no, no, and the bottom line though on Perion before we move on is...


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[Assistant] As anybody knows, if you have an anger issue, as Earl and I do, or Perry does, or if you have an addiction issue, you can't, it's one thing to say he needs help. You have to want to help yourself.


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[Assistant] If you don't want to help yourself, if you don't acknowledge that you have a problem, then nobody can help you.


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[Assistant] That's it. If he wants to get another shot in the league or a life that he's got to clean up, he's got to want to get help.


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[Assistant] So we're gonna stick with this here and we'll get to the GM conversation after.


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[Assistant] Maybe the Browns would, would dip their toe in the veteran defensive tackle waters once again. They did obviously this off season.


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[Assistant] By signing Dalvin Tomlinson, they also brought in Maurice Hurston from San Francisco.


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[Assistant] Tristan Hill from the Cowboys. Tristan Hill from the Cowboys, right.


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[Assistant] You, both you and, and Thomas made the point you think he will probably...


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[Assistant] Uh, not want to sign until camp's over. He's had that, you know, he's done that the last few years. There are some other veteran names. Ionitis was, was like a pro boulder as recently as 2021.


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe all those guys feel that way. Uh, listen, we, Parion Winfrey wasn't a lot to make the roster. So.


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[Assistant] I don't think the Browns have to bring in another defensive tackle.


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[Assistant] I thought he had a chance because they have nobody, no short thing. Here's why he had a chance.


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[Assistant] I don't think you could ever have enough good players in a rotation on the defensive line. Uh, Dominic and Sue could still help a team, uh, and


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[Assistant] Right. Because right now, Dalvin Thomas is the only short starter in the position, right? Maurice Hurst was good in San Francisco his first two years, but he hasn't played for two years. Uh, Hill is...


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[Assistant] You know, more of a backup type player. Togeye, I think we all agree that guy's probably gonna get cut. Dillards.


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[Assistant] I was reading a column, I actually read two columns in the athletics this morning. I read Zach Meisel's column this morning about the trade deadline. And I read the AFC North whip around.


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[Assistant] And in the AFC North whip around column in the Athletic that came out this morning, each of the four beat reporters for the AFC North was asked the question, who is the most important player


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[Assistant] No, I mean, they run a 4-3, but he's their key guy.


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[Assistant] When DJ Reader has played, their defense has been borderline excellent.


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[Assistant] But I'm not sure that the guys in free agency at this point are all that good short things either.


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[Assistant] I also think that if they brought one of those guys, if they were, you're a couple of weeks into camp and it's looking like none of these guys are legit starters and you feel like Sue, that Sue has been a guy who's waiting for a team that's good. Yeaah. And we don't know that the Browns are gonna be good.


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[Assistant] You wanna set it up? You want me to set it up? I will set it up. So, Mike asked us this question. I don't know where this came from out of the blue. I feel like we have talked about this in the past.


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[Assistant] When I first moved to Cleveland, Mike Chernoff invited me to lunch. We had lunch. Now I can't get a text back when I text him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the answer, I don't even know why this is a debate. There's no debate. It's obviously Chris Antonetti. Now, the only thing you could debate is...


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[Assistant] Who's done the better job over the last year? Well then I can say Coby Oldman. Has probably been the best over the last year.


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[Assistant] But if you look at their entire body of work, I don't know, Guardians went to playoffs last year and won a round.


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[Assistant] Cat's got bounced 1-1 playoff game. Right, but I would say he's done a better job of roster building in the last year. I know what you're saying. Than the Guardians have. However, body of work, I don't even know how there's a discussion here.


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[Assistant] Chris Antonetti slash, I'll say slash, might turn off. Their body of work.


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[Assistant] Is overall considering the limitations they have and the disadvantages they have that the other teams in the city don't have.


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[Assistant] Uh, if you factor that in, then it's even more of a blowout.


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[Assistant] Uh, this team, now, in the end, you can say, well, the Cavs have won a championship. Well, look, Kobe Allman didn't put that championship together. Uh, and the Guardians have not. And that's a fair criticism. Uh, however,


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[Assistant] There you go, you saw Chris Anthony and Mike Chernoff there. They have consistently put together good teams.


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[Assistant] On a low payroll. Now again, I've been critical of their job over the last year, but overall body of work?


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[Assistant] They've, they're an A. At worst, an A minus. Kobe Altman is below that. Although he's done a, you know, a decent job. Certainly better than we thought. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it, I mean, at this point in time, Andrew Berry at best is a C. Yea.


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[Assistant] I think that's a conversation for next year if all these things happen.


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[Assistant] It wasn't Dan. It wasn't David Griffin. It was LeBron. That's right. I agree with that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, they, they've blown that certainly in the last year and change and it's something


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[Assistant] This offseason is going to be interesting because they're going to trade Bieber this offseason.


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[Assistant] People are just hitting that button because of the browns they care about the most. Which is silly.


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[Assistant] Pushing it back down. And that's with fair criticism with the Guardian in the last year. But, like if you went to,


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[Assistant] Baseball executives, baseball people, and said, where does the guardians front office rank for you? They'd be top five across the board.


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[Assistant] That would not have this front office in their top five.


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[Assistant] Nobody would have him in the top. It's laughable to think anybody would. At best, he'd get middle of the pack.


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[Assistant] I actually think they came second between the two. Well, no, between the two polls, Mike, were the Guardians second or the Cavs second?


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[Assistant] Yep. People, like, you gotta factor that in, the disadvantage they're at. Now all Cleveland GMs are in, all three Cleveland GMs are in a disadvantage in that it's not a desirable place for players in any sport. Correct. However,


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[Assistant] At least with the browns and, and the cabs, there's a salary cap.


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[Assistant] And Gilbert especially has shown a willingness to spend up to it. Uhm, and Jimmy has shown a willingness to spend.


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[Assistant] Whereas the Guardian's owner is not. So that's a major advantage that the Cavs and Browns have that the Guardians...


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[Assistant] GM does not, and despite that, he's done a much better job.


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[Assistant] With a lot of guys. That's true. But at least the guardians have had players worth paying money to. The Browns haven't until recently. It's, it's tough seeing- Now that's not Andrew Barry's fault because he's only been here a few years. It's just tough seeing, it's just tough seeing, like if you say- I get it, but that's not the old, that's again, that's not the GM's fault.


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[Assistant] But yes, you're right, there's a level of tying that in together.


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[Assistant] I will say this about Tito. I agree with Jason that I don't think the game has passed him by. However, he's not had a particularly good first half.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, managers can go into slums too. Managers can just, you're making the bad decisions. Whatever, it happens. I think there's a couple of things here.


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[Assistant] As great a manager as Tito is and has always been and is absolutely a Hall of Famer. He's been a magnificent manager across the board. Anybody in the game will tell you that. Any player that's played for him loves him.


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[Assistant] His in-game managing has never been the strength of his being a manager. His strength is his ability to relate to players and to connect with players in different ways and get the most out of them. That's the most important thing to me as a manager. And that's his strength.


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[Assistant] His in-game management, at times, has lacked. Especially with handling the bullpen. And I think it's been a little worse this year. Uh, I will say...


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[Assistant] His loyalty to Miles Straw is baffling.


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[Assistant] I uh, I don't want to hear, every time I bring this up somebody says to me, well they're paying him.


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[Assistant] That means he has to play every day? That doesn't make any sense.


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[Assistant] So, his loyalty to Straw is baffling to me. Why he plays pretty much every day is insane. There is no world in which Miles Straw is an everyday player.


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[Assistant] He is the least productive hitter in baseball. He has not been as good defensively this year. If you look at the, the analytics on it, he's been more, you know, pretty good, not elite this year.


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[Assistant] It's because you win a gold glove once, doesn't make you the best outfielder in baseball. He shouldn't be playing every day, that's simple. Uh, but Terry Francona is still a good manager, who's having a bad year. Hopefully, the second half will be better, as has been the case many times.


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[Assistant] Consistently pick them to still win this division, but I'm starting to lose my faith in this. A lot of it because of.


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[Assistant] Key injuries to Bieber. We're not going to see Bieber until at least sometime in August.


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[Assistant] Zach pointed out in the article, he's probably thinking late August, early September. I doubt you'll see McKenzie at all the rest of the season.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so that's your two best pitchers, or the guys who have been your two best pitchers. So it's an act, to me...


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[Assistant] The Guardians are in a tough spot, because they're in a crappy division, so they're not out of it.


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[Assistant] They, I don't think they have a much of a realistic chance to win in the postseason. However,


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[Assistant] As Zach pointed out, if, it's a big if, Bieber and McKenzie were healthy and pitching well, and they did make the playoffs, they would have a good enough pitching staff to compete, but their lineup is so bad, even Antonetti admitted the lineup is taking a step backwards, but she never really admits things like that.


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[Assistant] Which, which is crazy. Now think about this, Josh Naylor, 75 ribbies is insane.


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[Assistant] Uh, even Jose Ramirez is not on pace for 100 ribs. Oh no. He had it down here too. Yeaah. Now, let's give Josh Bell a little credit. He's played better here. And if you look at his numbers right now, they're not terrible.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying he's worth the money. I'm saying he's been a little better. I wish they could get rid of him. I'd be happy. It's not good enough. But he's not been, he's been better.


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[Assistant] Where he talked about Gonzales, he said, Gonzales will be up soon, uhm, there's still complaints in the organization that he's undisciplined at the plate.


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[Assistant] It's crazy. Oscar's all. Let Camp Real Earth play every day.


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[Assistant] I'm at Rosario, who's been much better for the last month. Has to be gone. We have to see one of these young guys play every day. So I think Tyler Freeman's been better than Arias in part-time play. I want to see Tyler Freeman get a crack at playing shortstop every day. So they even need to trade Rosario.


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[Assistant] Which, obviously you're not getting, you know, you're getting minimal return, fine. He's gonna be gone next year anyway, so you might as well... If you have to, you cut him. I don't care.


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[Assistant] But, they could get something, something.


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[Assistant] There are some people that are a little frustrated with Tito at this point and think they should move on. I'm not one of those people, but there is some sentiment.


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[Assistant] Well that's because they've always been good. And so when you're always good, you know, I mean...


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[Assistant] I know he, you know, he won a Super Bowl, uh, earlier in his career, but Mike Tomlin has, has been mediocre for a long time, right? Like he hasn't won a playoff game in a lot of years, but like nobody's, there's no, a lot of the fans want to fire him in Pittsburgh, but the problem is not going to fire him. They're like, this guy's a really good coach. Why would we fire him? Right. You know, and in baseball in particular,


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[Assistant] It's frustrating, but the playoffs are a crap shoot. Let's face it.


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[Assistant] And so, it's a bit of a crapshoot. And yes, the Guardians have failed in the postseason the last few years. But since these guys have been here, all they've known is winning. The worst record they had was 80 and 82 in the decade they've been here. So...


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[Assistant] You know, it's a weird, they may do both, I guess, but I would definitely trade Savali, because to me, Savali will never be higher than it is now. And the pitching market, in terms of what's available, is thin.


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[Assistant] I mean, who's out there? You know, Marcus Stroman's having a Cy Young type of season, but...


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[Assistant] He can opt out at the end of this year. So no, and, and, and he's pitching better than he should be. Now, so is Savali, and Stroman's better than Savali. Scherzer could be available.


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[Assistant] Colin Cowherd, I'm not a huge Colin Cowherd fan. I respect him because he's highly successful in the business. He's found a niche. He's not my cup of tea. I don't really care for him, but I respect him. And obviously, again, he's very accomplished.


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[Assistant] This is, okay, this is him talking about showy otani and what the angels should do.


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[Assistant] Now, if you're not a big baseball fan, maybe you don't realize how cringe-worthy that is.


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[Assistant] For an average fan not to know that, that's fine. That's not your job. For, like, my beef with Colin Cowherd is a beef I have with a lot of people in this business. Is they think they gotta be experts on everything.


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[Assistant] And I think fans appreciate when you're honest about the sports you don't know as well. I fully admit I don't know the NBA.


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[Assistant] I don't pretend to be an expert. I'll give opinions on things I pay attention to. But I don't pretend to be an expert on the NBA. I don't pretend to be an expert on the NFL Draft. Most people that pretend to be experts are not.


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[Assistant] I don't know that there's a reason, I mean you just can't. I think it's against the...


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[Assistant] Is it in the CBA? Yeah, no. I mean, it's just a rule. You can't do it. But even if you could, in theory, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, cause you, you now can trade, uhm, they changed a rule where there are


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[Assistant] Right, that involves, there are, I can't remember now, there's a, there are one segment of draft mix that you can trade, but it's never a key part.


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[Assistant] of any kind of trade. It's always a throw in when it happens now that they changed the rule a couple of years. But


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can't tra- I- I don't know why, I- I think they originally put that in...


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[Assistant] Because they were worried that the big market teams who already have an advantage would just make such lopsided trades.


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[Assistant] You know, by trading draft picks. I think that's why that was put in there originally.


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[Assistant] There's never, it just doesn't happen in baseball. You just don't trade draft picks.


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[Assistant] And it's never, it, you know, anyway, go ahead Mike, did you look something up?


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[Assistant] You can trade uhm, money towards foreign players.


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[Assistant] Because there's a cap on that, and you could trade that. I knew there was something in that realm that you could trade. But that's never a key part of a trade. And you certainly don't trade draft picks in baseball. So that's it. You just can't do it.


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[Assistant] I'm so annoyed. I only got seven out of nine in the Immaculate Grid today. I'm very upset.


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[Assistant] Or, uh, Caesars Turret. I played for like a dozen teams also. But, I, I, I...


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[Assistant] So if a Giants 300 hitter, career 300 hitter, I put bonds, I was so sure. But that wasn't right.


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[Assistant] I don't like when I don't get the immaculate bracket. I'm very annoyed at myself.


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[Assistant] I've got nine. I've only been doing it for I think a week. I've got nine most days.


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[Assistant] I tried the football on once, but it's not as good because it's not on... Why hasn't that one been bought by...


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[Assistant] Another entity. You'd think that would be more popular. I found this other game called Global. Have you seen this one?


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[Assistant] This is a game where it's just basically to some degree a guessing game, but you gotta know geography. You pick a co- there's a mystery country every day.


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[Assistant] And you, you start by picking a random country, and then the country lights up in a different color based on how close you are to the actual


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[Assistant] That was this, like all these little countries, the middle east is tricky with all those countries. Oh yeaah, yeaah, yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. Anyway Mike, go ahead.


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[Assistant] And uh, Donovan Mitchell has two years left.


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[Assistant] Would you say there's less than a 20% chance Donovan Mitchell is on the Cavs for the 24-25 season?


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[Assistant] Could you have max deals with, I mean, I guess you'd be gone from Alan at that point. Once they're in your house, you can do that. You can do whatever you want. So, so Mike, how many years does Alan have left on his contract?


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[Assistant] They could be paying max contracts in two years.


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[Assistant] I guess it depends on what the rest of the East looks like. Depends on what it looks like. At that time. Jason, have you heard anything about players conditioning this offseason? Any rumblings about that at all?


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[Assistant] Would you guys have any interest in either of those two? Mike, why don't you tell the folks what you said to us about both of those guys, the concerns of both of those guys.


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[Assistant] Miles, renegotiated with Charlotte. Oh, he did. Yeah. Okay.


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[Assistant] What, what did you think the chances are that Ricky Rubio can be the player we saw the first half of two seasons ago?


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[Assistant] So what? It's only happening with like, you know, not great players, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, but in terms of baseball, obviously we saw it with Chapman and the Yankees traded into the Cubs.


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[Assistant] The Cubs didn't try to re-sign him, and the Yankees brought him back.


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[Assistant] Right, but I wonder how often teams have tried to do that and then the guy was like, no you traded me out.


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[Assistant] Uh, oops. But, I picked the Yankees to not make the playoffs on my podcast before the season. I don't know if I'd said it on the show. And, uh, a lot of people tell me you're out of your mind. Now.


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[Assistant] I'm not right yet, but as of now, they're out of playoff. And they look like a complete mess. I think the Angels would trade them with the National League, I would think. I think they'd want to.


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[Assistant] But I don't know that they have any prospects left. They've made a lot of trades in recent years. I think the Yankees would just try to outbid people. But the Yankees don't have a great farm system. The Dodgers have a huge payroll and a great farm system. They have a lot they can throw at the Angels. Now,


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[Assistant] Do they want him playing in Los Angeles for another team?


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[Assistant] That'd be terrible. Uh, yeah, you're right. But, like, who, in terms of the National League, who I could see trading for them, I could see the Dodgers doing it.


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[Assistant] I'm not, I don't think the Giants have a great farm system, but I could see them doing it. They're in, they're a playoff team, I think. I don't know, I know.


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[Assistant] I would love to do a segment, Mike, where we ask fans to propose Guardians trades for Shohei Otani. And I would like to see how many fans come up with trades that


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[Assistant] I know the Guardians are not going to do it, but trade that actually the Angels would listen to.


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[Assistant] No, just for Otani, cause that's, you know, he's a special guy. Like you, I don't realize, I don't know if people realize how much you'd have to give up to get him. Like in theory, if the Guardians wanted Otani, they would probably have to trade Bybee and Williams. Yes. And more. Yes.


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[Assistant] I, I think if you offered them Ramirez and Williams, they would do it, the Angels.


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[Assistant] That's close. That's close. Ramirez and Williams, you got a deal. Now again, the Guardians would never do that.


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[Assistant] But it's not like, it's not going to his late thirties though. No, I think he's got, I don't know, four years left.


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[Assistant] Bad job outta you. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. Anyway, uh, let's talk about quarterback.


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[Assistant] So we've talked about the fact that there's this new documentary on Netflix called Quarterback.


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[Assistant] Uhm, for those of you who haven't watched it, it's fantastic. It's...


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[Assistant] It's, you know, just to have a frame of reference, it's kinda Hard Knocks-esque, except it only follows three specific players on three different teams.


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[Assistant] This year, this first season of it, they just announced it's going to be a second season.


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[Assistant] They follow Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, and Marcus Mariota.


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[Assistant] It's produced. NFL Films is involved. Peyton Manning's production company is involved. I can't remember the name of the company. Omaha Production. Omaha. So that's it. They're involved. It is extremely well done.


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[Assistant] Uh, guys, I know you've watched it. I've watched it. Mike's watched it. Uh, I've seen the whole thing.


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[Assistant] I thought it was fantastic. Uhm, I did fast forward a little bit through some of the AFC Championship stuff because that was a little too depressing to watch. But I thought that, I mean,


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[Assistant] The, the stuff with Mahomes in particular, for those who may not have watched the whole thing, when you see some of the stuff with Mahomes, first of all he calls everybody dog. Did you notice that?


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[Assistant] I don't know how, like, I know he's competition.


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[Assistant] I get it. I certainly get it as a Bengals fan and as a Browns fan. Alright? I get it.


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[Assistant] How many times did Kirk Cousins, man, you hear him on the field just like screaming in pain. That's like so, like you don't think about that as someone who didn't play, but. That was one of my big takeaways from this.


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[Assistant] I gotta say, because you know, I always gotta go back there. I was thinking the exact


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[Assistant] For all the excuses that were made for Baker playing like shit when he hurt his shoulder.


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[Assistant] Because we didn't hear excuses for other guys. Kirk Cousins, now listen, they lost in the playoffs?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's amazing what these guys go through. So you were going to say the same thing, like, the Baker excuses seem so ridiculous now.


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[Assistant] Well just because they're new doesn't mean they're wrong.


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[Assistant] Right. And in the Bengals game, a week later, he didn't even look hurt at all. I'm sure he was affected by it. He didn't look hurt at all in that game.


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[Assistant] Because, like, think about it, and, and your processing speed, and that, and that, like, how do you know that about a quarterback when you draft them and you trade for them? Because your ability to process what you're seeing, and the guys who can do it quicker are going to be better.


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[Assistant] On, uh, on this show next year. And it has to be in three tiers. A star. Yeah, I'll give you mine. Obviously I'm biased on the first, well the first and third on this. I'd like to see, uh, Joe Burrow, Daniel Jones,


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[Assistant] And then Baker Mayfield. That would, to me would be fascinating to see that, those three.


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[Assistant] Alright, we got time for final takes here, Mike, don't we? Or do you got something else?


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[Assistant] It was, she was number two for me. The most was Kirk Cousins for me. Cause I thought, because I remember he was one of the whack jobs during COVID that was like saying all kinds of weird shit because his dad's like a weird preacher and all this weird stuff. And so he was saying weird stuff on the COVID times. And so I was like, Oh, he's some like.


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[Assistant] Nutball. But he doesn't come off, he comes off like completely opposite, very intelligent, very thoughtful, very caring, like.


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[Assistant] Smart, you know, seeing a psychologist, working on his brain, you know, like all these really smart and thoughtful things, uh, really nice in the community and the kids and like, I thought he was going to be, I thought I was going to hate him and I came off loving him.


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[Assistant] But Kirk, smarten up on the COVID thing, will ya? Don't be a doofus.


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[Assistant] I didn't think Mariota came off that great. Especially like quitting, leaving the team.


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[Assistant] It's clear. It's clear. I don't agree with Mike that it brought nothing. I thought it brought an interesting perspective of a guy whose career's on the brink and it didn't go well. There was no Hollywood ending for him.


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[Assistant] I think there was a noticeable difference in, now, again, we're not seeing the whole picture, we're seeing what they showed us, but I think they've shown us enough of this thing to show, like,


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[Assistant] In terms of leadership, it was clear that Mario didn't have it, that Cousins had it, but not at a high level.


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[Assistant] I agree, so did, uh, what's his name, Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connell did yeaah.


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[Assistant] Did you think, like, the bills have bulletin board material off of this?


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, I don't know, I don't, Jason, I don't think you got to it. We were talking about it though. But in episode seven,


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[Assistant] Is when they beat Jacksonville, right? And then he goes to his house, his whole family's there and his friends are there. And the Bengals and Bills are playing the next day.


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[Assistant] And I think his dad says to him, or somebody says to him, but I think it was his dad who, for those who don't know, his dad played Major League Baseball.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, for a number of teams. But anyway, his dad says to him, who do you think is going to win tomorrow?


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[Assistant] And he says, well, the Bengals are better, I think they're gonna win. And then his dad says, well, who do you wanna play? And he says, well,


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[Assistant] The Bills are a better matchup for us, but I want to play the Bengals.


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[Assistant] First of all, if you're a fan of the Chiefs, you gotta love that. It's like, not that the bills would be easy.


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[Assistant] But he's like, I don't want the easier matchup. I want this only guy that keeps beating me. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And the only team that keeps beating me. And he beat him. So like, that's it. You know how we're always like, oh, I want to play an easy team on the schedule. Like, the greats, they don't give a... He wants to play Burrow, because Burrow's the only player in the league that had anything over him at this point.


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[Assistant] Well, I did say that they, I was annoyed that the mayor did that at the time.


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[Assistant] But I didn't know that the players clearly are, get pissed off about stuff like that. Uh, the whole borough head thing was stupid.


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[Assistant] It was stupid to bang those players. First of all, Joe Burrow had nothing to do with that, of course. He would never do that nonsense. But the players that said it were idiots and that effing mayor should have been fired after that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that was, I'll give him credit for that, cause he, that was, that was really dumb. The whole thing was dumb, the Bengals embarrassed themselves with that.


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[Assistant] I mean, Cleveland's got two sports TV stations and uh, two sports radio show stations and our TV show.


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[Assistant] That's it, no, no, uh, final takes. We'll see you on overtime.


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[Assistant] Don't care of anything else.


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[Assistant] That's the way you do it. You know who won the summer league championship last year?


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[Assistant] You know what I said before the show? You know, it's when Jarrah Smith rode the hoverboard into the playoffs for the playoff game. He's smiling and laughing and then the Cavs got their ass kicked. I think it was the finals game and he's leaving like this.


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[Assistant] Maybe this time they'll put the gates up to keep the fans out of the parade route. The 1.1 million that are gonna show up.


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[Assistant] Kudos to Warren Legary and the NBA for turning a nothing burger into that. It's impressive. It's the NFL Draft. It's the NBA's version of the NFL Draft. It's a nothing that they turned into this extravagant event because this is a nothing.


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[Assistant] I mean it's Vegas. That's crazy. It's Vegas. Yeaah. Because like Orlando does the Summer League, you don't ever hear anything about it. Utah does the Summer League, you don't ever hear anything about it. It's always the Vegas one because it's Vegas. Right.


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[Assistant] I wanna know who paid for those. I wanna know who paid for those.


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[Assistant] We have said Amani Bates name more on this show since they drafted him.


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[Assistant] Every time, hey guys, every time Imani Bates' name is mentioned on the show, Drink, everyone will be hammered by 1215.


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[Assistant] I mean listen, I'd rather them there than not be there. Yes, same principle with the calves, yes, but. Okay.


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[Assistant] I mean, he played well. It's great. You'd rather a guy play well than not play well. But when you're going against the standard of the competition he's going against, it's not a fair comparable to what he's actually going to do. And again, I've said this a million times. It's making a million one.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying Imani Bates is never gonna be an NBA player. I'm saying if you're counting on him to help this team this year, you're going to be disappointed.


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[Assistant] Peace. Building block. Peace. Contributor. And important games when things matter. This year?


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[Assistant] No. And top 10 picks bust and second round picks hit. It can happen. The odds of it happening are slim, but it's still possible. It can still happen.


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[Assistant] I will tell you when they drafted him, I talked to some people like going back or not when they signed him, when they, when they first signed him, the feeling around the league was he's not an actual NBA player. They're, they're doing this for Evan. Like it was a favorite. He's not actually a prospect.


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[Assistant] Gotta let him know. Gotta let him know we're here. Gotta let him know we're back. What's the Guardians one again?


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[Assistant] I said a week or two ago, I would believe in Sam Merrill contributing to this team before Armani this year, because Merrill's 27 years old, he's been in the league for 3 or 4 years, like that's


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[Assistant] That's, that's how these guys get there. Max Struse is another example, a guy who's been in the league three, four years. Right. You sort of get your legs about you. You sort of figure it out. I'm not saying Sam Merrill is going to be a star on this team, but could he come in and give them a couple of minutes here and there?


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[Assistant] I think there's a slam dunk obvious one for me. I'll give you my runner up. Can I give you a runner up or will I take one of theirs? Nah, just give it. Alright. The runner up for me is Martin Emerson.


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[Assistant] Because I think he's going to have a monster year. I know it's just one year. I know it was a rookie. I love his size. I love his frame. I think he has the ability to be a number one shut down corner in the NFL.


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[Assistant] But they also have, if he does falter, they have Greg Newsome there to slide in. So that's why I kind of hedge on that because I think, I think he's up for a big year. I think he's going to have a big year, but they have backup for him if he gets hurt or if something happens. So my number one is Cade York.


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[Assistant] This is obvious to me. The kicking game is so important in the NFL. I like the pick. I know drafting a kicker that high kind of split people in half. That's a terrible idea. No, that's great.


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[Assistant] I'm of the belief that was the one spot in the draft where they got the number one guy on their draft board. They desperately needed a kicker. They went and got the kicker that they wanted the most. So I thought it was a great move.


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[Assistant] He's not a normal kicker in terms of the swagger and the confidence. I don't think it was shaken by last year and some of the problems that he had.


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[Assistant] I expect him to come back now that he's been through it once. Now that he's kicked in Brown Stadium in November, December, I expect a big year out of him. And just the way the games are decided in the NFL, so many games come down to kicks and last second kicks. I want that guy on my team. To me, it's obvious it's Cade York.


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[Assistant] Especially in this division, in these winter conditions. Right. And these Heinz Stadium is so hard to kick in. Cleveland Brown Stadium is so hard to kick in. It's vital.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I shouldn't say this but I'm going to. Somebody, you guys watch Succession? Yes. I don't. Okay, you guys watch Succession? No? I've started it a couple times, I haven't made it very far through.


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[Assistant] I don't know what their recourse is. They've almost become middle relievers in baseball.


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[Assistant] Like, just sort of cycle through, you get what you get contract wise, and if you don't like it, we're gonna replace you. It's really unfortunate because of the physical pounding that the position takes.


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[Assistant] And it has swung so wildly. I don't know. A lot of times these things are cyclical and they come back around. I don't know if this is gonna come back. Look at this. The last five Super Bowl winners leading Russia.


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[Assistant] They're all just guys. That's a who's who of who.


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[Assistant] To Mike's point, you remember when Ezekiel Elliott, the talk was like, they have to re-sign Elliott. They can't let him, they have to re-sign. Did he live up to that contract at all? No, it was a disaster.


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[Assistant] See what I would do. And he was at the top of the game. He was. When he signed that.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a labor issue, and I don't know how the NFL has gotten away with it for this long. It's crazy. Because it doesn't happen in baseball, it doesn't happen in the NBA, like, at 19 you can go be a professional, but except in the NFL, and I can't believe that the attorneys have kept this to this point.


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[Assistant] They're not getting hit by 270 pound guys. Hockey you can go. Hockey you can go.


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[Assistant] I just think if the NFL adopted the NBA policy of one year in college, it would totally destroy college football, which is probably why it hasn't happened yet. Because this destroyed college basketball. Football would be the same way. Although with what we're seeing with transfer portals and NIL and everything else,


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[Assistant] It's changing so drastically anyway. But imagine if you're 19 and you go in the NFL as a running back and other positions.


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[Assistant] But if you're 19 and you go in and you get that 3-4 year deal, now you're going back into free agency at 23-24 years old. Huge difference. But the flip side of that, how are you evaluating quarterbacks at 19 years old? It would be so much harder to try and evaluate


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[Assistant] Fans don't want to hear this, but I'm going to tell you anyway, GMs say it all the time, in terms of the fan and what he means to the fans. If you think like a fan, you're going to be sitting with them. And GMs just don't care. GMs don't care. Front offices don't care what the fans think they can feel.


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[Assistant] Like you can be both. Well you can be. Some people aren't. You can buy and sell. And that seems to be how they usually try and operate this. Savalli seems like it would be a total sell move just because he doesn't, he can't bring back the,


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[Assistant] I think it just depends on the return, really. It comes down to, I've said it a hundred times, I hear it's maximizing value. This organization does its best to try and maximize value.


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[Assistant] You trade Savalli to attach Josh Bell's contract to it and send him to the Dodgers. Like that's why you trade Savalli.


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[Assistant] And it's not like Naylor is blocking somebody from coming up. You know what I mean? They don't have a great map that they're trying to get in the lineup. I don't think, I don't think Naylor makes any sense as a cell.


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[Assistant] I don't even know, I meant to look before the show. What's Vali have left of control? He has one year. Three years including this year. Three years left including this year. Yeaah. Okay.


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[Assistant] So under contract 225. So he just became arbitration.


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[Assistant] Would Aaron Savalli get 16 million in free agency? No. No. So why would you take, I mean, I don't even think you could attach Josh Bell to him. Because you're basically praying Bell next year for Savalli.


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[Assistant] So I'm telling you, I'm not out on them flipping this as quickly as it cratered this year. It can turn just as quickly.


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[Assistant] Four. He was part of the Jake Bowers deal.


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[Assistant] I think it became a three team deal, but I'm almost positive Jake Bowers wound up here.


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[Assistant] He was the third baseman. He was blocked by Jose Ramirez. Right. And they tried him in a couple different spots. I don't think he was well thought of within the organization. And that's a miss. It was a big miss.


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[Assistant] Real quick, check and see. I'm, I'm almost positive it was Jake Howard. Go to baseball here.


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[Assistant] It's bizarre that they have not been able to swing a trade of any substance. Is it the players, teams around the league don't value the guardians hitting prospects the way that they do or that we think that they should because it just doesn't make any sense that they have, they haven't been able to do anything for two years. Hoarders, they're hoarders.


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[Assistant] Nolan Jones has hit, I looked the other day, he's sitting around 280, 285 I think, seven home runs. I think that might be a little high.


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[Assistant] He's playing well. He's playing well in Colorado. Benson's been fine.


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[Assistant] It's still a little early to declare. It's early to say those were mistakes. Right, like Jesus Aguilar had one good year in Milwaukee. He had one great year. Yeaah, and then he was nothing. So I don't want to overreact, but we have enough of a sample size on Yandy to say that. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] No. Which tells you they really, really liked that guy. But I think that they just felt like Nolan was just, there was no great spot to play him. I don't think, maybe they didn't see him as an outfielder.


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[Assistant] And first base was blocked by Josh Naylor, another left-handed hitting power guy, a lot similar makeup. Third base is a natural spot that was blocked by Jose. Again, you could have not signed Josh Bell and gone with Nolan Jones. But another, I think they were looking for some sort of righty type of bat.


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[Assistant] They made some mistakes here. Oh, they have.


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[Assistant] Uh, Matt Olson. There was another one that they pursued. The guy, uh, Reds to the Mariners. Luis Castillo.


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[Assistant] No, it was a hitter. It was a Suarez trade. Suarez and something else. They were in on the something else. Was it Adam Frazier? Oh, maybe.


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[Assistant] I want to say maybe, I may have that wrong, but they didn't want the Suarez money, like they were making them take Suarez in the deal, whoever they are, and they didn't.


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[Assistant] There's, I've said at the start of the year, I thought Gabriel Arias was the long term answer to shortstop. He's been terrible. Terrible. He should be in the minors right now. So I, so I don't know how you can still say that.


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[Assistant] So maybe it's Freeman at second and Jimenez moves to short, but Jimenez has been so great defensively at second.


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[Assistant] That's great. Amari Cooper is the tenth rated receipt.


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[Assistant] They trippin'. Odell's in 85 and Garrett Wilson's in 84.


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[Assistant] So you're telling me Odell and Chris Olavi are the same player. That's what you're telling me.


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[Assistant] He's not 94. No, he's not that low. He'll be hard in that.


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[Assistant] Burrow could be higher. I mean, home's SB 99. I'd say burrow 98, 97. Has there ever been a better?


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[Assistant] I mean, if he plays 15 years, you get one.


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[Assistant] I mean on the Browns, Joel Batonio is, just knows the game inside and out. He's so smart. He's, he can, he, he'll, he's one of those perfect offensive linemen that can break down the game. Joel Batonio would be great. Wyatt Teller would be great. Both offensive, right guard, left guard. Both of those guys I think would be tremendous on, on TV.


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[Assistant] Cavs, Donovan Mitchell will be awesome. He'll be on the studio panel show when he's done playing. He'll be on ESPN, uh, NBA final set.


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[Assistant] Uh, NBA drafts, he'll be that guy. Donovan is terrific at breaking down the game. Uh, Guardians, Josh Naylor will be wildly entertaining.


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[Assistant] I thought I had another one on the Guardians. I was trying to do this quickly yesterday. That's, that's who I would start with. I would start with those guys. I think all of them know their sport inside and out.


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[Assistant] And really, Tyvis does a great job of this. We've told Tyvis a hundred times, you're going to be a star in this business. Because Tyvis not only understands it, but he can explain it to people that don't understand it.


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[Assistant] Right, and Tyvis is really good. Tyvis is so good at being able to, and he can do it for college and NFL. Tyvis is going to be a star. We've told that a hundred times. But I think Betonio and Wyatt are the same way in terms of NFL. Uh, Josh Naylor is just entertaining. He's just an entertaining guy. He's got a big personality. And Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] Maybe Jared Allen, but I don't think, I think Jared needs to have a little bit more bigger personality.


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[Assistant] But Donovan Mitchell for sure is going to, as he gets, right now he's not worried about that. He's in the prime of his career. He's trying to win championships. But he's a guy that maybe...


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[Assistant] Six, seven years from now, as he starts to maybe wind down and get toward the end of his career, he'll go the Draymond Green approach and start doing a little bit more podcasts and a little bit more media. I think Donovan will be great, great in media.


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[Assistant] And that's why I think Betonio and Wyatt Teller are both kind of in that ilk of big personalities, understand the game, can explain things really well. Who would be the worst people? Who would be the worst? Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb, Evan Mobley. Wouldn't that be shocking if like,


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[Assistant] Are we talking game play by play or are we talking studio show? Studio show. Ernie Johnson.


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[Assistant] Darius doesn't have much of a personality. Darius is quiet. Donovan's really good, I already mentioned him. Harris Luvert is quiet. Luvert, yeaah.


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[Assistant] That's what was so fun about that championship team. There was a ton of big personalities. That locker room was full of guys. JR would be great, right?


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[Assistant] And I think it'd be crazy. I don't think he'll ever do media. I don't think he'll ever be a media personality when he's done playing. I think he's gonna go live off the land. And I don't mean that in a derogatory. I know people, I don't mean that, but that's, that's what he's gonna go and you'll never hear from him again when he retires. That'll be it.


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[Assistant] Cause we are now 0-3 in championship games in Avon Lake Little League. We lost again Friday night. Was there a Scott Norwood moment? No, it didn't even come to that. We just couldn't throw a strike. So, uh, we had a terrific run though, three years.


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[Assistant] Coaching minors and majors and Sunday night we had our party.


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[Assistant] And I invited, we had our like little team picnic party reception, handout awards and all that. And then I sent out emails to all the former players who ever played for me. And we had probably 25, 20, 25 kids who showed up and more that said they wanted to be there, but they were out of town on vacation. And we played a big little league game and Mike Menino came and umpired it. Mike got to meet.


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[Assistant] Mike Menino when he came out and shot our game. He's a legend in Avon Lake. The field is named after him. He's been doing this 45 years.


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[Assistant] And the kids had a fantastic time and it was a nice way to bring closure to this, this little era that we had. And now I got to figure out which direction we're going to go. If we're going to stay with city, if we're going to go maybe do travel with my son AJ.


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[Assistant] So this was definitely an end of an era and I spent all weekend literally crying every 20 minutes that it was over. I had so much fun coaching these kids.


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[Assistant] It was a great run, great team, uh, great three years. Never had one bad kid. In three years of doing this, we didn't have one bad kid. It was all phenomenal. Great families, great parents, great kids, and it was sad to see it end. Wish we could have got one. Went to three straight championship games and lost them all.


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[Assistant] Uh, same core of six for all three teams and the team that beat us, they took our two best pitchers, two of our best pitchers and put them on another team and that's the team that beat us. So they beat us with my own kids. That was really frustrating.


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[Assistant] Well, usually they do. The city changed things up this year in how they went about assembling the teams. And if, if they had given us those two kids, we wouldn't have lost a game all year. So we lost to, I lost to my own kids in the championship game. 0-3.


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[Assistant] Walk 13. I say that. We walk 13. Couldn't throw a strike. Bad pitch calling by you. I know, right? Blame the coach, man. He needs fired.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You know, it's crazy, I feel like the, the, you can't think about this rolling aloud without thinking about X. No, for real. Let's start out there.


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[Assistant] I was reading about that shit and I'm like, it sounds like PMB Rock was just hanging out with his friends sitting in his house smoking weed.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay, so you feel good about the case and everything? Yes, sir. Okay, well that's good to know, definitely, yeah. Hey, I've seen you out here making a splash, too. How long have you been in a relationship?


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[Assistant] Do you feel like your lyrical content has changed a lot through this evolution from the trap star to the pop star thing, or is it more about a sound?


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[Assistant] I want to hear you on that wave, bro. That would be ridiculous. K-pop is taking over the world right now. I love that shit. Alright, so Rollin' Loud has a big focus on like younger artists. Is there anybody in particular in terms of like lesser known artists that you've been excited about lately?


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[Assistant] Got it was right over here. I don't know if Key is here. Yeah, so you gotta be here then. Hell yea. Hell yea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Key even got it. That's two of my favorite rappers out right now. Shawty Key even got it. The brothers, you know what I'm saying, they going brazy. Definitely, man. Alright, well, hey, PNB, it was good checking in. Thank you for coming to Rolling Loud. Everybody's excited to have you. Yes, sir. Yeah, check star turned pop star.


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[Assistant] Obama will need all the magic he can muster to solve the huge problems he's inheriting.


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[Assistant] The Cleveland Browns really is just running fast and catching the ball. It's simple. It's simple for me.


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[Assistant] It's been a part of my game, obviously, since I started playing receiver back in high school. And uhm, just really just trying to...


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[Assistant] Honing on my role on this team and do my job.


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[Assistant] We're all, uhm, just trying to get this thing going. Obviously, I'm new to the team, so, uh, I don't have much to really base it off of being really one of the newest guys on the team. I missed half of the off-season because...


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[Assistant] I was trying to fish different teams and see what would be the best fit. But just being around those guys and seeing how much they love football, that's really the most important thing for me. Uhm, having teammates who really love being out there because as you know,


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[Assistant] A super long, dragging season, so we'll go through ups and downs throughout the season, so you have to make sure that that element is definitely intact.


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[Assistant] She is 10 months younger than I am. We're both premature. And due to her being premature, she was three months premature. I was two months premature.


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[Assistant] Uhm, my honor to my God to be able to be blessed to perform at the highest level.


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[Assistant] In two sports professionally, so uhm, she's definitely a motivation for me and hopefully, uhm, as I share my story, she can motivate other people as well.


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[Assistant] And so, uh, I just try to get my best efforts, uh, whenever I can and whenever I can get out there and compete and have a team that supports me to do so, I go do it. But I didn't get to do that this all season as I, I, I part-time volunteered for the UT track team. So I'm still around.


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[Assistant] I'm grateful for, you know, the path that I've taken and where my sports have led me.


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[Assistant] I chose the Browns because they were the best fit. Uhm, Deshaun Watson, we had the same major.


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[Assistant] And so it was a no brainer. I've always wanted to play with him. He's an elite quarterback, uhm, elite arm talent.


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[Assistant] And, uh, he's just a great dude. And, uh,


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[Assistant] He's the Olympic champion in the 110 hurdles. I follow track closely, like, that's one of my loves.


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[Assistant] It's been, it's been a couple of people that have come close within like, maybe eight inches or so, but.


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[Assistant] Uh, they're both impressive. I won't say either one is more impressive than the other. Obviously Flo Joe's hasn't been broken for a longer set. The record has lasted longer.


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[Assistant] We didn't, it wasn't a race. It was a long jump. It was a competition. It wasn't a race. He couldn't, he couldn't fuck with me and run in either.


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[Assistant] A lot of people felt they had been lied to. It's no wonder that you would have so much anger, a sense of betrayal, a sense of frustration.


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[Assistant] Then there was an Amen chorus in Washington that was sort of willing to go along with the administration on the chance that it was right.


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[Assistant] Our editorial page at the Washington Post was supportive of the invasion.


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[Assistant] Obama's global analysis of the situation was that Afghanistan was the right war and Iraq was the wrong war.


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[Assistant] than it was about this sort of inchoate anger against him for being him, for being Barack Hussein Obama.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think you need that. And I stay here and fight TikTok.


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[Assistant] The Americans had been attacked, there was no excuse, no explanation possible, and the world, in a sense, was on revenge mode. Uh, we had to kill the murderers.


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[Assistant] For a French man, uh, the speech about the axis of Éville, uh, is simply...


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[Assistant] So, we set all the lights up and everything, and the camera girl was like, nah, I'm boozy as fuck, I'm not coming. So we got Cody Shane, I'm gonna try to find one more person, but we're gonna do a couple expose, and then we are headed right back down to the observatory.


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[Assistant] To hang out a little pump, see what's going on, film his show. Let's go.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but Yachty pulled up in almost the exact same sprinter a couple months ago or whatever when we did his interview, so might be the official sailing team sprinter.


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[Assistant] Cremol on some shit collaboration, you get a block of wax that says on some shit on it, and you get a peg with the plastic outer lining. Even if you don't ride BMX, you can still just keep this beautiful on some shit peg on your shelf, and then use the wax, or keep this all as one collector's item. I'm just saying, it's a perfect gift. Whoa, four and three quarters, really?


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[Assistant] People always make fun of the way I hit fucking roaches. Bruh, I got gorilla hands.