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[Assistant] Mary Kay, you know, I said on my podcast that I actually was happy that they, not happy, but I think that you gotta find a small victory.


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[Assistant] They lost to Denver. They're in LA. How much does that impact them from going out and exploring LA or do you think that this is a much more locked in team this week because of the loss?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, you know, this, the Broncos did some, they did some things offensively that really puts them, that shows some holes in this defense. Do you think that this is one of those one off performances by the defense or do you think that maybe they have a lot of work that they still need to get done?


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[Assistant] He had the best commercials that any Cleveland figure has ever had.


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[Assistant] No, the worst commercial was Anderson Verrazal for Mr. Heroes. If you go back and listen to what he said, it is- I don't even think I remember those now. Are they out there somewhere? I remember Brian Boyer. Oh, their paws were- Oh my, what he said! He's talking about that hot, spicy- No, he's 6'6".


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[Assistant] Bernie, you know, he's been, not him, but his receivers just struggling to hold on to the ball. As a quarterback, if you zip it, do you think he should take some off, or do you think his guys gotta figure out how to catch his pass?


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[Assistant] Bernie, when you look at the Rams, what would be your game plan offensively for the Browns to attack, you know, Aaron Donald and whoever they got over there?


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[Assistant] You know what? I'm happy. It was a long trip. It was a lot of fun. Uh, got a chance to go out in LA a little bit and see some really cool things in West Hollywood. It was so much fun. Uh, it was nice to be out in the sunshine. The practices were fun to be at. Uh, but it's also fun, you know, to get back home. Now I've got a


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[Assistant] No, I mean, the only things, you know, that I'm really trying to keep an eye on today, obviously, are things like, is Trevor Lawrence going to play? Is Amari Cooper going to play? Are they going to name Joe Flacco the starter, which I think ultimately probably will happen, but uhm, you know, I fully think that Kevin's doing the right thing in not naming him the starter yet.


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[Assistant] Yeah, very positive reviews. Very, very positive reviews. Uh, because obviously he has command of the huddle. Uh, he can keep those guys calm in the face of adversity. You know, they have the belief that he can come in there and lead them on a touchdown drive. And you know, he showed that right from the jump. So I think everybody felt really, really good about it. And, you know, I think


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[Assistant] They also recognized they lost their number one receiver in that game to Amari Cooper. I mean, that's a tall order. Hey Joe, go in and start a game.


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[Assistant] On three days practice, and hardly even knowing the names of some of your receivers, and then we're going to take your number one receiver out of the football game. How about that? So, uh, you know, on that last pass, on that interception that he threw, you know, that probably would have been Amari down there on the deep level of that route.


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[Assistant] And, you know, he wasn't there, so I think, you know, that hurts matters, but...


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[Assistant] Better than that. So, you know, Joe needs to figure him out.


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[Assistant] And he needs to figure Joe out. But, you know, it's time for some of these young guys to step up into their role.


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[Assistant] And, you know, when you get a chance, you guys go ahead and you can ask me who I was talking about that I'm gonna, uh, you know, really put some pressure on to step up and be there for Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] And he only caught two of six. He's gotta have better hands. He's gotta have better awareness of where his feet are. He's gotta win the contested catch more.


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[Assistant] And in every way, he's gotta step up his game. He is, he's got the size and the strength to go up.


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[Assistant] You know, I've always said that once he has good quarterback play, he should be an eight touchdown a year guy. That means he needs six more right now. I will, I will qualify it by saying he has not had the quarterback stability this year. And whenever I said that, I always meant it, you know, if he had a whole season with Deshaun Watson, that's what I would expect from him. He is a really good blocker.


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[Assistant] But, and he is on pace, you know, for some career highs and receptions and yards.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll tell you what, I think that, uh, you know, some of it has to do with the fact that they have had to re- that they've had to adjust to four different quarterbacks this season. But you know what, as Amari Cooper always says, too bad, you know, that's what you have to do. It's your job to catch the ball no matter who is throwing it to you. Now they did, it seemed, have some


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[Assistant] I did not have a problem with it. Nick was in there as well. Uhm, as far as him not wearing browns gear, I don't have a problem with that either.


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[Assistant] For their, uhm, you know, for personal reasons. And I, you know, I understand a lot of people feel that way. Uhm, but I think...


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[Assistant] That sometimes there's a pile on thing going on when, you know, when he's just watching a football game from a box, you know, like Nick Chubb is.


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[Assistant] Then, you know, who else is going to get to the quarterback? The next highest sacker is, is oboe with three and a half. Z has only two and a half. So that's been a problem this year. You know, they can tell us all they want that, you know, sacks are an overrated stat and that you don't need them.


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[Assistant] But, you know, when you're dropping someone for a 10 yard loss, I don't know how that is, uh, you know, overrated. And especially if you can...


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[Assistant] Uh, Miles didn't seem to be, be too affected by the shoulder in this game. He, you know, that's what he said afterwards. It didn't bother him that much. He had it taped up.


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[Assistant] As you can see, I am all alone. What has happened today? We got Mikey McNuggets and Jay out at Town Hall for a big event today. We'll send it to them in a minute. G. Bush left his phone somewhere and so he's late. Tyvis, who's always early driving, even though he drives in the furthest from Columbus.


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[Assistant] I mentioned my old intro from radio and I said I gotta do that today. So there you go. Uh, right now, listen, we got a lot to do. Aditi Kikubwala of CBS and the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show is going to join us in a couple of minutes. Mary Kay Cabot live from Town Hall and hopefully


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[Assistant] Some Browns players will see it's a free flowing thing today as you can tell, but right now let's head out to town hall in downtown Cleveland, bringing Jay Crawford and potentially Mikey McNuggets as well. Jay, what's going on?


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[Assistant] Thank you, Anthony. Uh, Tyves, you weren't here yesterday, so I'm just, I want to start with you.


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[Assistant] Do you want to make an argument or no for Joe Flacco eventually becoming the starter or do you think the Browns should stick with DDR?


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[Assistant] It wasn't 11. It was definitely later than that.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, we're gonna bring in Adidi in just a second. I will just say this as we bring her in. If this were three years ago, five years ago, seven years ago.


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[Assistant] It was even last year, I'd say it doesn't matter, the Browns can't win anything anyway.


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[Assistant] And the Browns, in my opinion, have the only defect. So there's a line, I think, where like,


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[Assistant] Okay, can you win? If your defense sucks, you gotta have a great quarterback. If your defense not very good, you gotta have a very good quarterback. And it balances that way. I don't, I generally don't think you could win with even an average quarterback in the past. I think you can this year. The Browns may have to try to prove that they can win with a below average quarterback, because right now that's what they have.


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[Assistant] Didi, from years of covering the AFC North, obviously you know Jo Flacco. Uh, no? No, she thought we would get right to the team.


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[Assistant] But, but at this point, I think the Browns should keep riding with DTR unless it gets to a point where he's so bad they can't. Do you think they will do that? Do you think they should do that? And do you think Flacco will be a good locker room influence?


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[Assistant] Let me make a quick clarification before time has asked the next question.


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[Assistant] I actually agree with you that it is too soon to write him off. My point about Kenny Pickett is I never thought he was going to be good.


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[Assistant] But I agree with your, your premise that


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[Assistant] Didi, let me answer as well. I have zero concern about Joe Burrow going forward.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying he's as good as T.J. Watrey Hendrickson, but I don't think he's that far off. I think he's the most underrated defensive end in the league.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying. It's blasphemy. I think Trey Hendrickson is one notch below T.J. Watt at one level below, and I think that's a high enough level to still be a big playmaker. I agree with you.


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[Assistant] I mean, outside of Miles Garrett, Micah Parsons, TJ Watt, and maybe, uh, what's his name?


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[Assistant] And again, as I've said many times on this show, Aditi, when it comes to Miles Garrett versus T.J. Watt, their numbers career-wise are very similar. They're basically identical. But here's the big difference. Before this year, Miles Garrett played with nobody.


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[Assistant] Uh, and where my wife's parents live is pretty close to Manhattan. And it was the worst drive ever. And I said to my wife, I am never doing this again. Ever. And we have not gone to New Jersey since.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Browns opened as a one and a half point dog against the Broncos. I thought the money would come in on the Browns. It has not. The Browns are now a two and a half point dog at Denver. Now, to be fair, Denver's playing well also.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. I love the Browns in this game. I'll be surprised if the Browns lose, but.


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[Assistant] Any team right now, or most teams in the NFL, maybe not every team, but most teams in the NFL, if not all.


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[Assistant] Are going to have a hard time scoring touchdowns against the Browns if they have to go 70 to 80 yards.


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[Assistant] If you give him a short field, yeaah, you're gonna give up some points. What are you gonna do? But if you don't turn the ball over, and last week DTR had one turnover, I don't blame him, it was a tipped ball off a receiver.


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[Assistant] He didn't throw any dangerous passes, I thought. And if they stay out, now again, the Broncos have been forcing a lot of turnovers, which is why they've played better, and I think they have the longest winning streak in the league right now at four, believe it or not.


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[Assistant] And Russell's playing decently. But, uh, I don't know. I feel good about the Browns and, and, and, uh, DTR. Maybe I'm crazy.


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[Assistant] No, he's got to do a better job. I've been practicing with this man all week. That was a problem for him earlier. His career was the drops and he's been wait, you know, until this last week, he'd been not, it's not, had not been a problem.


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[Assistant] Teams that have the ability to score more, you are gonna have to, because you're not gonna be able to win scoring 10, 13 points.


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[Assistant] And he, you know, it wasn't like his only start had been terrible against Baltimore. Well now he was okay.


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[Assistant] So now he's a little more confident, you know, he showed some good decision making. I think every week he'll let him do a little more because eventually, yes, there are going to be games where the Browns need to score 20 or 24 or maybe even 27 to win and he's got to be able to do it. But I don't, but he didn't need to do it this past week.


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[Assistant] Well, hopefully that'll happen this week. Continue to build, continue to build. We're going to go back to town hall in just a little bit. Obviously our own Jay Crawford and our own Mikey McNuggets are down at town hall for the big, um, event feeding the homeless with the Cleveland food bank, which is a great event that happens every year. Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com is going to.


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[Assistant] Join Jay in just a little bit and join us. Hopefully we'll have some Browns players later. Apparently Denzel Ward stopped by said he had to, uh, you know, he's going to go serve some food and then hopefully come back. You don't think it's a little crazy there. So we don't know if we're going to get the players. We'll see what happens. We have Mary Kay yet or not yet.


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[Assistant] Every week we play a new game, uh, with the PFF grades and this week's game is gonna be, uh, Anthony's gonna give us a grade of a Browns player and we have to say whether that grade is there, was there great against the Steelers this past week or back in week two when the, when obviously the Steelers won the game.


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[Assistant] Dang, that's a good one. I mean he probably has around that for weeks. I'm going to say week 11. I'm going to say week 2. I'm saying week 2 also. I'm with G.


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[Assistant] Week 11. Yea, that gotta be 11. Did he have a bad game? They couldn't run up the middle at all. The only running they did was with Warren on the outside. I don't remember the first game how well they ran. I don't either. But I'll say that was week 2. They said week 11, I said week 2.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say week two. That was wild there. It should be week two because so far the first two have been week eleven. I'm gonna go week eleven. I'm going week eleven. I think the sign in the background is a clue. Yea it is, right?


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[Assistant] Really? I don't know, these grades are pretty bogus. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] In my opinion, he's had one good game against Baltimore. That's how I see it.


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[Assistant] That's eleven, cause I bet he got a ninety this week. He been ballin'. Eleven. So wait, are you going with week two? No, two, two. You're going with week two. I'm going with week two. You going eleven?


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[Assistant] Let me ask you guys about Matt Canada here, because...


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[Assistant] What's, what I love about this, I mean, I wish they didn't fire him because I wish Matt Canada would stay there, but what I love about this firing of Matt Canada is that for how many years, G,


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[Assistant] Did the Browns lose a game to the Steelers? It seemed like the Steelers, Browns were always playing the Steelers Week 17.


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[Assistant] It'd be in Cleveland, it'd be three-quarters Steeler fans, the Browns would have another five and eleven season, or four and twelve season, and the Browns coaching staff would get fired. We've seen so many games over the years where the Browns suck,


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[Assistant] And they lose to the Steelers and the coaches get fired. And for once, I mean the Steelers don't suck, but they're not as good as the Browns, but their offense sucks, and the Browns essentially, with a final straw, get Matt Canada fired. It's a nice change of pace, isn't it?


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[Assistant] All right, so we go to Town Hall. Jay Crawford is there all day for the big event, and I think he's got Mary Kay Cabot with him. Jay, are you with us? You got me, Bull? We gotcha. How's it going down there?


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[Assistant] After so many years of Browns coaches getting fired after a loss to the Steelers, what's it like hearing that Matt Canada gets fired after a loss to the Browns?


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[Assistant] And, and yes, you don't want him to turn over. That's the key. You're going to need him to play better. But with the Browns defense, it's because you look at the AFC right now, guys, we'll get back to the conversation about the Steelers firing a minute, but because he brought it up, if you look at the AFC,


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[Assistant] There was so many drops this week. We were talking about it with the Browns. It was raining for the Chiefs. The bottom line is no team offensively looks completely lights out right now. Miami did early, but you look at the last four games, they've only scored more than 21 once in the last four games.


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[Assistant] Their defense is good enough to get them to the playoffs. Their defense is good enough to keep them in any playoff game. But how far they go will be, is the quarterback play trash? Or is it adequate? That's the difference.


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[Assistant] Guys, there's not many games outside of a handful of teams on the bottom end.


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[Assistant] That you're like, oh any team can beat any team. Like I'm saying the Bengals are done, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Bengals beat the Steelers this week.


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[Assistant] Alright. Then they are, then they're at home against the Rams. If Rodman at home, you think they beat the Rams?


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[Assistant] But then listen, listen, the last, so then after that, they're at the Jaguars. Tough.


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[Assistant] At the Niners. Tough. At home for the Dolphins. Tough. At home for the Steelers.


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[Assistant] It's healthy. And uh, you know, obviously the Steelers are not never a pushover. We know that. Uh, the only game they're going to be a big favorite is the home game against the Rams. There'll be a touchdown favorite in that one. Every other game, there'll be no more than a three or four point favorite or you know, there'll be a dog probably in San Francisco.


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[Assistant] At the Jets, at the Commanders, Titans at home, Jets at home. I expect that. I agree. I mean, it's not guaranteed. Unless, unless Tim, unless.


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[Assistant] Well, if Tim Boyle is that guy, then you never know. Their last three games are tough. They got Dallas at home, at the Ravens, Buffalo at home.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean they're in good shape to win 12 games. Yeaah. So for the Browns to win, I mean. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] But that's at home. The Texans is not, certainly not hard. It's not easy. I, I, I think that, that's upset. I mean they, I think the Rams, even though it's on the road, the Bears and the Jets should definitely win. Should definitely win.


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[Assistant] You don't like that? I don't, I mean not really. I like it with this team because I feel like this team is really committed.


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[Assistant] Well, at Jacksonville. Jacksonville, how many? Jacksonville, seven and three also. Here's Kansas City. At the Raiders. At the Packers. Bills at home. At the Patriots. Raiders at home. A Bengals at home. At the Chargers.


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[Assistant] I feel like if they take care of business against Denver, they'll beat the Rams. I feel very good about them. I really feel good about them winning these next two games. And I think that Jacksonville game's gonna be tough. That's gonna be a battle. Jacksonville's defense has gotten better as the years gone along.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, they're just a really solid, they're a solid team.


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[Assistant] We're gonna cut you off, Tyvis, I apologize, but we have a guest, apparently. We're gonna go down to Town Hall. Yea, we're getting them ready right now. In just a moment.


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[Assistant] We're gonna speak with the Browns defensive back. Wanna guess who it is?


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[Assistant] All right, let's send it down to town hall. We've got a Brown's cornerback, Greg Newsome. Here he is.


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[Assistant] Greg, obviously the defense has played fantastic this year, but I want to, I want to give a little love because the punter and kicker never get much love. How big have both your punter and kicker been to the success of this team?


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[Assistant] We'll go back to you. Thanks, Jay. Good stuff, Greg Newsom. Uh, we're hopefully going to have some other players, too, working on a couple of things. We may have Kareem Hunt. We may have Denzel Ward, your guy.


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[Assistant] Alright, well, I feel like that guy, the Browns that used to be, you'd grab Joe Thomas, Joe Schobert, Joe Hayden.


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[Assistant] Uh, Teller talks a lot. Uh, who else talks a lot? Anthony Walker kind of the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] Alright, we'll maybe go out to Town Hall a little bit for now, guys. There's been a lot of talk about how the Browns have struggled in Denver. And I gotta say, haven't, and maybe, maybe this will be the exception, but I think what we've learned this year,


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[Assistant] They don't beat the Steelers. They beat the Steelers. They don't beat the Ravens. They beat the Ravens. They don't win games like the Niners. They don't win games like they did with the Colts.


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[Assistant] Some of the advanced analytics are not as impressive as that, but it is what it is. I mean 19 touchdowns, 4 picks is damn good. That is really good. Especially when it looked like he was washed last year.


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[Assistant] It looks like he was going down the tubes and he's, you know, he's not elite. I know he's a pretty good quarterback right now. Uh, Tyvis. No? You don't want to give him his due?


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[Assistant] They got a good number two back in P rind, they got two decent, you know, wide receivers.


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[Assistant] This is going to be a good game. This is going to be a real, I like this. I don't want the Browns to play a bunch of cupcakes. I want them to be challenged because so far they've risen to the challenge almost every time.


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[Assistant] But I like that they're going to be, you know, you want to be, you know, it's nice that they have the Bears and the Jets, but, but I like that they're going to have to play the Jags and the Texans and, and this game because, and even the Rams and even the Bengals, I don't think it'll be terrible. I don't know. Maybe they will be, but I think those would be competitive games and I think, you know, you're going to be tested and that's good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, only, only, if you don't win your division, you don't get home games unless there's, you know, you could in the next round if there's a bunch of upsets, but.


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[Assistant] The other teams that you'd be playing, well not Jacksonville too.


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[Assistant] No, we say it, but we weren't talking about Tyree Kill because of the weather. Oh, oh, okay.


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[Assistant] In a way, I mean it's a totally different type of scene, but when the Bengals went to the Super Bowl in 21.


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[Assistant] But, again, if I would have told you in the beginning of the year that Deshaun Watson would play two good games and then be hurt for the rest of the year, your expectations would not have been high. No.


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[Assistant] And yet the defense has been so good that we now again have expectations. But I think when something surprises you about your team and they're good,


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[Assistant] Whether it's in the first round or they, you know, go to the Super Bowl and lose.


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[Assistant] As exciting as that season was, and it was, and Baker played very well, old dude, second half of the year played great, but because fans couldn't be there, it stole some of the excitement level.


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[Assistant] The linebackers were hurt last year, too. True. But Juan Thornhill, until he got hurt, was playing really well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I get it. They're, they're, they're biggest stars.


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[Assistant] I would, if Patrick Mahomes is, and Patrick Mahomes, and then Tyree Kill with Dolphins, they're such unique players, that I would think you would have to.


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[Assistant] It is remarkable that Jim Schwartz was a free agent.


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[Assistant] Okay, sounds good. Do we have the guest that Mike texted about a few seconds, a few minutes ago? Is that the guest? Yes, let me get them ready. Okay, looks like we are going to have...


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[Assistant] Okay, we are gonna go past one o'clock. We're gonna interview Kareem. There'll be no overtime today, I think. The overtime will be our interview with Kareem Hunt.


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[Assistant] Uh, so we got Kareem Hunt coming on live from Town Hall. No overtime today because we'll keep going here a little bit.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go. Let's go to Back to Town Hall. I think Jay's got Kareem Hunt. Let's see what we got. Jay?


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[Assistant] Yeah, quick one for me and then quick one for Earl and we're done. Kareem, how's, how's Nick Chubb? I know you and Nick are good friends. How's Nick Chubb? How are his spirits right now?


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[Assistant] It was a good time. Good time. Time to see you again. There you go. There's the, if anybody wants to get involved, it's not too late. There'd be things going on until five o'clock.


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[Assistant] It's, you know, we're just after one now. No overtime today because we've got a little extra in the regular show. You're here tomorrow, Tyvis, right?


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[Assistant] We will actually talk a little Ohio State, Michigan tomorrow. Thanks to everybody at Town Hall, including Greg Newsome and Kareem Hun, who came on the show with us. Also thanks to Mary Kate Cabot, who was down there, and Aditi Kikwala, who joined us. Go ahead, Anthony.


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[Assistant] Very good. And we will have a Friday, Thanksgiving Friday live show in studio. Is it just going to be me and you? Who's going to be on? I assumed it was the main


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[Assistant] My overall thoughts are I've told you all before how much I hate being wrong. Luckily it doesn't happen very often. But Friday I was wrong because I said I didn't think he should play. Obviously it was the right call to play Deshaun Watson yesterday. I don't think he looked great.


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[Assistant] First half I thought was really kind of unstable. Second half was better. Something to build off. So maybe that is the rust knocking off that he needed to have done. I was basing that. I had seen some videos during the show on Friday of some of his throws and thought, this guy, he is not ready to play. This is a mistake.


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[Assistant] And the first two drives he couldn't throw it over five yards and then he cut one loose on the third drive and ripped it 59 yards to Mario Cooper and sort of settled in after that. So I was wrong.


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[Assistant] I admit it, it was the right call to play to Sean, and while I don't think he's back, it certainly was something to build off going forward.


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[Assistant] Well Clayton Toon had a negative A dot.


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[Assistant] Deep into the game, like multiple possessions in the game and A-dot is average depth target. How far are you throwing it down the field? Right. I've never seen a quarterback have a negative A-dot.


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[Assistant] So that's, that just shows you how he had no chance. And two of his, I think he threw three balls over 10 yards and two of them were picked off.


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[Assistant] This is the best he's played in his career. He's healthy, knock on wood, you know, we know about his injury pass, we know about the concussions, you know, hopefully that stays, hopefully he can stay on the field, but he's playing at an incredibly high level. And for a while, especially early on in the game, the Browns were only playing with one cornerback.


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[Assistant] They had Denzel in the field and Martin was off the field because they, like, they had no respect for the Cardinals throwing the ball. They were playing with one cornerback. They knew where they were going to run it.


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[Assistant] Go back and watch the first possession of the game. Martin was on the field for the first snap, and then he goes, and I told Zach, I'm like, where's Emerson?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I checked the snap count, because I stopped paying attention after a while, and Emerson actually played more snaps than Denzel, so it didn't even out, but early on, they were playing with one quarter, because Greg was out, Newsom was out obviously, and Emerson was on the sideline, it was just Denzel on the field.


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[Assistant] A serviceable player. A couple of years ago, he was like, oh man, I don't know how much longer this guy's going to be here. And when he moved into the middle last year, after Walker went down, he really sort of came into his own a little bit. I mean, I don't know, I don't know what the almighty PFF thinks of Shioni Takitaki, but I see him making plays.


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[Assistant] And that's what's allowed them to rotate those tackles, which they've never had the depth before. Never. To keep rolling you guys in and fresh legs and this year they've been able to do that because they upgraded the talent and they have depth that's been able to stay healthy.


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[Assistant] We talked about that last week with him. I've noticed 3, 4, maybe 5, maybe more tackles that he's made where it just looks like a routine tackle.


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[Assistant] But if he doesn't get that guy down, it's a big play. And Juan has saved a lot of moments where again, it doesn't look huge in the stats, but watching the game on the field, he's really, he's, he's been a game changer and you know, we can say what you want about Joe Woods and we crushed him all last year and we said that his scheme doesn't fit the personnel and it wasn't a good match.


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[Assistant] But how many times did we say, at least I said, fix the defensive tackles, you're going to fix a lot that's wrong with this defense. And they've done that. But the upgrade in the defensive tackles, everything else looks so much better.


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[Assistant] The only reason I don't say the Bengals is the weather in borough's calf. Right. So you have to take that into account.


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[Assistant] That was just crazy. I would put Cincinnati second and yesterday third in terms of ranking the top three just because of the talent that was out there. The lack of talent that was out there.


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[Assistant] The way you said that reminds me, I don't know if I, when I had a


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[Assistant] When the Cavs were in the Playoffs against the Pacers that last year, LeBron was here and he and I went out in the locker room and I said, there's a difference in


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[Assistant] Hall of Fame and greatest of all time and it's that. Yes. It's, I gotta make sure it's on camera and it's that and you know it when you see it. That's right. And we are seeing that.


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[Assistant] This year out of miles. He's turned games around. He's single-handedly won games.


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[Assistant] Uh, he didn't, you know, he had the scoop on the fumble. He would have got there yesterday.


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[Assistant] He would have destroyed, uh, Toon on his sack earlier he was held.


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[Assistant] So his numbers were deflated a little bit by that, but we're seeing him...


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[Assistant] And we talked about it when they hired Jim Schwartz. You know, I said then, I was talking to people in the organization, part of the reason they chose Jim over Brian Flores was Miles. They felt like Schwartz's system would get the most out of Miles, and we're seeing that play out.


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[Assistant] Two weeks. Ownership was at the, uh, the Cavs game last night. Did you guys see the miles went to the game and the innovation that he got and the grin, the smile on his face guys. I'm telling you.


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[Assistant] He's motivated. He's engaged. He's happy. And that's huge because there have been other seasons not in the not so recent past that by this time it was already rickety and it was already falling off the tracks. And but right now everything's in front of them these next two weeks. If they take care of business, it's all right there. No matter what problems they've had up to this point.


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[Assistant] Everything's there for them to win the division or whatever else. So he's engaged, he's happy, he's motivated, and he's playing at a high level, and that is huge for this team and this team.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I, I don't know if loner is the right word. Maybe?


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[Assistant] I mean, they've had so much turnover in that locker room and on that side of the ball, you know, who's been his running mate? Like, who's been here more than a year or two? I mean, they got a lot of them now.


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[Assistant] Mike, I just sent you something. Uh, did you have that grass?


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[Assistant] Okay, it's just funny, Zach Jackson tweeted it out. Oh, I saw that yesterday. Where Miles ranks on lists and top sacks and everything else.


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[Assistant] If he, if he spends his career here, he's going to set numbers that will last for... They're not going to get in touch? Ever. And the Browns, within the Browns. So, so he's, we call those Lebron numbers. You never, if you... I was thinking that earlier, but I already mentioned Lebron once. And I can't mention Lebron more than once a show. People make fun of me.


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[Assistant] We talked about Deshaun off the top and, you know, I said at the open, I didn't like the way he played in the first half. I thought he was apprehensive, tentative, wasn't confident in what he was seeing.


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[Assistant] Wasn't really ripping it downfield. The first two drives was like, see, told you, shouldn't have played them. There's a mistake. Can't throw it over five yards. And then he cut loose and threw, ripped it 69 or 59, 60 yards to Amari Cooper. And then he seemed to settle in, had a few better throws in the second half, uh, was able to throw it down the field more.


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[Assistant] Uh, here's the thing that I wrote though after the game, and this is just sort of until we see otherwise. The Browns offense right now, their bread and butter is...


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[Assistant] Sort of what it was in years past, and that's not what it was supposed to be with Deshaun, but because of the injuries, because of now Jed Wills looks like he may be out for a while, because of Deshaun's shoulder, it's the screen game, it's play action, and take a shot on third down.


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[Assistant] And it's not a sexy way to play, but it's been effective to this point. And with this defense, the way the defense is playing, you're going to have to rely on them to win games. We just spent 20 minutes talking about how terrific this defense has been.


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[Assistant] So it's, it's sort of like, you know, I covered Jim Trestle when he was at Ohio State and it's, it was sort of the way that he played with punt and field position where you get a couple first downs, you punt, you hold them, you get the ball back, you get a first down, you punt, now you've pinned them deep.


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[Assistant] You get the ball back, now you got the ball at midfield and now you can get points out of it. So it's sort of stacking, not even plays, but stacking drives on top of each other to where you get to the point where


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[Assistant] Get a key turnover, get on a short field and get points out of it. But it's not the, it's not the five wide throwing the ball over the place that we thought, you know, you were going to get with Deshaun.


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[Assistant] It's a lot of run heavy, extra lineman, extra tight ends. Nick Harris is a fullback. Nick Harris is a tight end. Harrison, Brian and Njoku in there and just run the ball, play action and take your shots on third down.


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[Assistant] And we haven't, and we're 40 minutes into the show. I don't think we've mentioned it. They didn't turn the ball over. They didn't turn the ball over. That's huge.


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[Assistant] So call it game manager, call whatever you want. Hold on to the football. Don't turn the ball over. Don't put your defense in bad spots or short fields, sudden change situations. It's going to go a long way toward winning. One more thing, what you said at the start about don't divide into camps, that's done. As long as Deshawn is here because of his history, because of how he got here,


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[Assistant] I did see something this morning about, I forget where I saw it, but like, let me get this straight. A year later, Houston already has a better quarterback than Clem.


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[Assistant] We don't need to go down this rabbit hole, but it's different there because he was drafted there. He had a long track record there before any of that came up. Deshaun came here under this pretense or under this cloud.


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[Assistant] It's there. It's there when you need it. I don't know if you want him, I don't know if he's capable of doing that 15, 20 times a day. No. But when you gotta have it, it's there.


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[Assistant] Well, he's normally pretty good on the run, so you gotta figure that part out. And there were moments again where...


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[Assistant] There's like a fine line. What he's really good at is holding on to the ball and letting plays develop. But at the same time, when you're, Pete, with Walker, now Walker's not good, but he's getting the ball out fast. And now the lineman, I think, have to adjust back to holding the blocks a little bit longer without getting called for, without a holding call.


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[Assistant] And giving him the opportunity to let things develop. It's an adjustment period for all these guys.


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[Assistant] And one more thing about Deshaun, uh, we, I think we talked about before the show.


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[Assistant] He, he needs to practice. He just needs the practice reps. He hasn't had full weeks of practice because of this. He needs the full reps on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday both for the shoulder, for the confidence, for the familiarity, for the comfortability.


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[Assistant] And maybe we'll see him be able to disperse the ball more than just Amari Cooper and Nijoku and get other guys involved. He just hasn't had the practice reps. He needs to practice before you get to the games.


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[Assistant] You know, like, it's in there. You know it's in there. It's in the bag if he's got to get it. If he needs to rip one down the field, he has the strength to do it. So, you know, that should translate and that hopefully would get better with more time, with more reps, more practice, and more rest.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so Mari went up to Deshawn and said the way that the corner was playing outside leverage on him and the way that the safety was almost charging at him, he knew he could beat it. And so they just sort of drew that up on the fly.


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[Assistant] And Deshaun hit him in stride with his best throw, that's probably his best throw of the day. Yeaah, yes sir. And it was a play that they just sort of whipped up together, just the two of them, which is kind of cool to see.


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[Assistant] With the trash quarterback play the Browns have had. The Browns have gotten.


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[Assistant] We talked about that before. Nick Chubb and Amari Cooper are two of the most low-key, don't need the spotlight, don't care, just go out and perform guys. You could have his leaders on an offense.


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[Assistant] Now I'm with Bull. I think it's very average, below average with the running backs. If you look at the numbers, we talked about this last week, if you look at the numbers since Nick went out by the running backs, I think they're 28th, 29th in the league in yards per carry.


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[Assistant] Cleveland's bat, I just looked this up yesterday. There are 3.7 yards to carry since Nick went down 25th in the league and the offense yards per play is 29th in the NFL. That's everything.


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[Assistant] He hasn't shown it all year. He's got the home run ability, he's hit a couple of big long runs, but in terms of the guy you want to hand the ball to on first and second down, every play?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's disappointing. He's been a disappointment because I really thought he was going to be the guy that they transitioned to next year. I didn't think, I never thought Nick was coming back even before the new year. If he did, it was on a much lower deal. I'll be curious to see. I mean, we can talk about this more, you know, after the season, but what they do at that spot not going into next year.


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[Assistant] If they could get him at the right number, I'm sure they'd love to bring him back. The whole point that I was trying to make all summer was he wasn't coming back at that number.


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[Assistant] I mean that, right, but that's where, I mean, that's where running back's sweet spot seems to be now in the NFL draft of second rounds.


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[Assistant] Well, he went down a couple of times. Like he, he would, like give him credit. He was trying to fight through. We've, we've, you know, we've been hard on him, especially early in the year, those first couple of games.


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[Assistant] But he was dealing with, with some stuff and he kept getting up and he kept trying to fight through it until finally obviously when he leaves in an air cast. He's not coming back anytime soon. It could be a season. We'll get more information on that.


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[Assistant] Yep. And we know Hudson's struggles with Pittsburgh a couple years ago. Now that was on the right side.


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[Assistant] They've got Loverwood on the practice squad. Jason Peters is older than me.


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[Assistant] There's gonna come a time where someone else is gonna have to win them a game because if you're a defense, why would, go back to the Bill Belichick of I'm gonna take out your best player. Well, Amari Cooper is the best player on offense right now.


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[Assistant] But Amari, Amari should be doubled on every set. Yep.


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[Assistant] And so eventually, and we saw David Bell come up with a big catch, come out of nowhere, and it was one, it was one play, but it was a huge catch in the moment. And somebody else, whether it's Elijah Moore who's been a massive disappointment this year, massive.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I would say he's out for at least the next few weeks. But somebody, somebody else is going to have to emerge. I mean, you can't worry about it right now. It's the only thing that's working, so you got to go to it. But if I'm a defensive coordinator, I double too. I'm bracketing him on every snap. I don't know why you


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[Assistant] I mean they just doubled him there and he still beat it. But it was the way that the Cardinals played the double that Amari knew he could beat it.


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[Assistant] It's good to see Tillman on the field, but it was because it's not like he forced his way in. It was because they traded DPJ. They didn't trade DPJ to create a spot for Tillman. They traded him to get something for the asset because they weren't bringing him back. So you'd like to see Tillman do something to force himself onto the field. That's right.


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[Assistant] When I nitpick one thing, real quick, uh, Zach is actually the one that notices. When they were running some of those Wildcat yesterday and Deshawn flanked wide.


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[Assistant] If you want to run wild, just get them off the field. Get Dishon off the field because they're lining up across the corner and Zach's like, the corner could just bust them right at the line. It's a free shot on a guy with a bad shoulder. Who's your franchise? Why even have them out there? And I thought, man, that's a great point. Just, just.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's fair. And to Deshawn's credit, he didn't move. Like, we watched him and he didn't even take a step. He just stood there the whole time. But still, it's a free shot on the, on the corner. The corner can take a free, if you're playing press covered, you can come up and hit him as hard as you want.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I actually thought last week's game was better than this. I thought last week's game, I know a third and three at the end, whatever. But for the totality of the game, I thought his plan against Seattle and his game calls against Seattle was his best of the season. But yesterday, I mean,


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[Assistant] To handle Deshaun the way he did, to ease him back in, the short throws early, let him build a little bit of rhythm and confidence, then he ripped the one on the third possession and really started to roll a little bit more in the second half.


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[Assistant] I think Kevin's hitting a stride as a play caller. I know everyone thinks, Bull, that you and I are the apologists of Kevin. No, it's not the case. We've been critical of him when we thought it was warranted. But I think he's really starting to hit a stride. And the longer you do something, the better you get at it. And the Browns have just never had a coach.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, who has now in year four, but you learn what works and what doesn't. You learn your own tendencies. You learn about yourself, where your weaknesses there are, where your blind spots are. And I just think, I think he's in a really good spot right now as coach.


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[Assistant] I'd have to go make a look. I don't remember. It could have been more than that. No.


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[Assistant] Well, that's going to come up at the end of the year because it's when you have a year left on your deal is when you start having the lame duck conversation and you extend a guy or not. So that will, that's going to come up after the season for sure. She's still here. We got a long way to go, but if we get to January and he's still here, that's going to be a discussion point.


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[Assistant] This is his best season. I think this is better than 2020 and the 11-5 because we've talked about it before. I've had players tell me multiple times over and over and over.


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[Assistant] There was nobody in the building in 2020. It was just us. It was football all the time. There was no nonsense. There was no typical Browns crap going on. It was football, football, football. And for him to navigate this.


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[Assistant] With the Deshawn injury, with the injuries that you mentioned, you've lost both tackles and Nick Chubb, and your shoulders quarterback was Hamburger Helper for half the season.


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[Assistant] And you still have them in position to make the playoffs. You still have them at five and three. A lot of the help, obviously defensively. You're relying heavily on the defense and that's fine.


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[Assistant] Which, you know what's interesting about that is, so I wrote last week on The Athletic, this is his best season. And I was expecting like,


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[Assistant] That reaction of, you're an idiot, I can't, whatever, I don't care.


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[Assistant] But actually, a number of the comments were like finally, like someone supporting him and we see it and it's a vocal minority that hates. I was amazed at how many people were in support of him. So it's almost like it's the audience. The audience changes depending on the platform that you're on. I think.


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[Assistant] And to answer Mike's question, Jimmy has an extended hue.


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[Assistant] Jimmy doesn't want to keep blowing this up. No, that's right. He's desperate to get something that works. He was so desperate to get something that works, he gave you an extension, a one year extension. What was first?


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[Assistant] Oh, 1 in 15 or 0 in 16? 1 in 15. Alright, after 1 in 15. We were like.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's right, that's right. I can't remember now. I'd have to go back to the timing of it, but they gave Hugh a year extension during all of that because they were so desperate for stability to make it work. So I think without question, it's more likely that he's extended than fired.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he's hurt, like the injury is legit.


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[Assistant] We're just kinda skipping around, but before you get to special teams, I thought of something on Stefanski that...


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[Assistant] Uh, Mike, I think I saw the graphic. Did you put it in our text? Do you have that on Brown's record after losses?


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[Assistant] The only thing that I don't think he's really good at is being able to spin it at the goal line. All of his kicks bounce into the end zone.


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[Assistant] Have you noticed that? He doesn't have a lot, I mean, if they fair catch him, whatever. But if he tries to drop it inside the 10 or inside the 5, a lot of kickers can just kill it right there. And I think it's changed the game because it used to be, for returners, put your heels on the 15 and anything over your head, let it go.


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[Assistant] And that's not the case anymore. Guys are calling for fair catches now inside the 10. Are they fielding punts? I'm like, when did this change? Well, punters have gotten so good at spinning it and being able to kill it at the goal line. And his, for whatever reason, seemed to trickle into the end zone. That is the only thing you can say about him. And if anything, his leg is too good because he's out kicked the coverage a couple times, but he is, he can bomb it. He's got a leg.


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[Assistant] No, he can, he can flip the field. Like if you, if you're on the 15, if he's kicking from the 15 or 20, he can kick it to the 15 or 20.


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[Assistant] It was one game, I want to see it again, but yes, yesterday he was great. It was, it's, listen, it's, if he can get nine yards per return, that is huge because basically it was just catch it and fall down with DPJ up until then.


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[Assistant] I had heard, Zach and I did it on the podcast, couple guys in locker rooms said yesterday, MCL, Zach said that's probably a month. So I don't think it's like a torn surgery type thing or he would be out for the year.


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[Assistant] If he's on, if he's on, uh, not a full tear, that would require surgery. But if he's going on IR, Zach was right, that's a month. So he's out of month.


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[Assistant] It looked worse in the moment. It looked worse. When you see an aircast and you're carted off, you fear.


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[Assistant] Well, the two, you can live with the James Sutherford for a couple games, but I'd rather it not be the two opponents that they've got coming up.


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[Assistant] You're expected to produce, but he was playing on one leg even before he started off.


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[Assistant] I'm not surprised, I guess, that this is the way it went. I didn't think Craig Council was coming here. I know that's been a name that's been rumored. I never saw it because what's the difference in Cleveland, Milwaukee? It's a small market, payroll limitations.


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[Assistant] Uh, young guy, first opportunity. You know, we talked about with Kevin Stavansky. He's gotta learn on the job. He's gotta get better over the years. And you would hope that, you know, the Guardians have a pretty good track record in terms of hiring. Uh, so you would hope that...


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[Assistant] Tito was one of the highest paid managers in the game. Like they were writing checks. Right. For Terry. Obviously that's not gonna be the case with him. Correct. So does this free up a little bit more money now that you can then funnel back into the payroll? Isn't that sad?


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[Assistant] Right. So I mean, every dollar counts. So you know, maybe that's, maybe they can now funnel that money back into payroll. We'll see.


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[Assistant] It is interesting. You don't want to be, usually you don't want to be the guy who, who replaces the legend. You know, you want to, you don't want to be Ron Zook to Steve Spurrier. You want to be Urban Meyer to Ron Zook. You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced the guy.


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[Assistant] So that's something he's gonna have to overcome, but the organization, you know, Tito talked about this when, uh, at his re- at the end of season that like,


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[Assistant] This organization is in a really good spot. And a lot of times when you have a new manager coming in, it's because the team sucks. And everybody got fired, and you're in the middle of a rebuild, and you're gonna lose a ton of games. That's not the case. Like, this is a really, really good job. So, you know, hopefully vote can come in.


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[Assistant] They do, but I said this during the season, they could flip this. It fell apart relatively quickly from where they were last year to how this year went. They could flip it back. They're a couple bats away from really flipping this back. The pitching is sound, the organ, the farm system is there. They just need a couple of things.


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[Assistant] No, because it would have to be nine, it would have to be nine and seven in the old days. Eight wouldn't count. And I can't believe there was a division. Maybe there was, maybe it's happened multiple times. I don't know.


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[Assistant] I wrote something about the NFC East and I got yelled at for it. I got it wrong. I thought it was that. But 8-8-1.


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[Assistant] I can't say more than three. I can't say four.


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[Assistant] I think it's Pittsburgh. Yeaah, I think it's Pittsburgh. Doesn't make any sense. I agree. Yeaah. I agree too. But that team just terrifies me though. They just find ways to win, man. It doesn't matter who they roll out there. They never beat themselves.


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[Assistant] And it was Sam Howell and Jacoby Brissett. And you could see that Sam Howell had this level of athleticism to him, deceivingly athletic, that he could do all these things, that he's young, whatever. But the huddle just come to Jacoby Brissett.


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[Assistant] And the operation was just smoother with Jacoby Brissette. And I think that that's one of those things that you get with a Joe Flacco. He's seen every defense there is to see. He's been in every experience that there is. Like Robert Griffin said, he's a Super Bowl MVP. Nothing's going to scare him. Nothing's going to cow him. He knows how to talk to his teammates. All of that.


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[Assistant] Counts for something in a situation like this, you know, and so like obviously DTR's upside at this point in life is greater than Joe Flacco's. Obviously he's got a ton of talent, but when you've got a team that's playing such great defense that can indeed run the ball well,


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[Assistant] You need someone to operate there from a position of.


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[Assistant] I don't know, experience not making mistakes, not causing errors, and I think that Joe Flacco is a really good bet right there.


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[Assistant] Completely, completely agree with you. And I said this last week, Che, I don't think you were with us last week. I was recalling that week two game.


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[Assistant] Last year that I was on the sideline for when the Jets were down two touchdowns with less than two minutes to go and I vividly remember Joe Flacco walking up and down his sideline telling his teammates, we've still got time, we're not out of this, we still have


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[Assistant] You need to go talk to your teammates right now. You need to settle them. You need to remind them the game isn't over until the game is actually over until the clock says zero zero zero. So all of that counts for something. You're completely right.


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[Assistant] I really like him. I'm sorry, Mikey, I'm cutting you off. But I am such a huge personal fan of Joe Flacco's. So you know how much I love DTR. You know that he's a young kid that I really want to see ball out and all of that. But right now it's like Joe Flacco is clearly on the tail end of his career. I would love to see him succeed.


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[Assistant] Miles, by virtue of the position that he plays, because I feel like in general that can be more impactful. But then you think about everything that AD has done, and the human being that he is, and how much he does in the community. Not that Miles doesn't, but uhm,


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[Assistant] Aaron Donald is one of the true gentlemen of the National Football League and the way that he works.


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[Assistant] But again, I say that, it's not that Miles doesn't work. It's not that Miles isn't as committed. It's not that...


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[Assistant] They're very similar in certain ways too, you know? They're both sort of more quiet, receding personalities. I would actually say AD is more quiet than Miles. You know, Miles has some of his quirks that he likes to have fun with. Halloween, the dinosaurs.


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[Assistant] Uhm, anime. I don't, I can't, I can't. You know, like, this is when people sit here and ask,


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[Assistant] It's too hard, I'm sorry, I just can't do that.


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[Assistant] Closing in on SAC accomplishments that have been attained by just two or three people, a handful of people.


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[Assistant] We talked about whether he is on pace currently to potentially break that record that T.J. Watt, Michael Strahan sacked Mark for his season. And he said, you know what, at this point in my career,


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[Assistant] All I care about is a Super Bowl. And he said, you know, guys say that they are we guys, not me guys. I really am a we. I need that Super Bowl. And that's it.


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[Assistant] And you know what? This is what Mike Tomlin used to say to Antonio Brown. That at this point, you've accomplished everything that you need to accomplish. It's about hunting the Lombardi Trophy. And I think that in a team game,


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[Assistant] What really, truly, distinctly separates you is when you get that title. Why do we, Ben Roethlisberger never won an MVP. Eli Manning never won an MVP. Both of them have two Super Bowls. They'll be in the Hall of Fame because they both have two Super Bowls. And that's kind of the point, you know, like if you were to take


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[Assistant] Peyton Manning in a vacuum versus Tom Brady in a vacuum and choose the


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[Assistant] When he's working that way, I don't know what it is, but that to me is one of the big pieces of him that make him exceptional, that make him stand apart. And I've said this before, you know, I,


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[Assistant] Yeah, and at some point those excuses were thin, you know, and it's sort of one of those. It's funny because we're having this conversation, my crew and I, this week about the Chargers because Brandon Staley, Ohio native, as you know, Cleveland native.


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[Assistant] He's under immense fire and you can sit here and say, okay, yeah, but Bossa keeps getting heard and Mike Williams is heard and.


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[Assistant] This hasn't worked out, and this, and this. At some point the excuses just, they're just excuses. You know, everybody deals with injury. Everybody deals with...


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[Assistant] Unexpected things. At some point you just have to put it together. And right now this Browns roster, yes, it's a huge blow to lose your starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] And obviously everybody knows how much of a fan of Kevin Stefanski's I am and how level he is and how he imbues his players with confidence despite all of this and how he's kept this


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but. So year two there was yeaah, but Baker was hurt all year and there was the Odell drama. Year three was the yeaah, but there was the crazy Deshawn Jacoby thing.


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[Assistant] Now this year we could say, yeah, but you lost your all-pro right tackle week one. You lost your best offensive player week two. You lost your quarterback. At some point you can't keep doing the yeah, but.


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[Assistant] Run and pass, but when you need to run is when you have a rookie quarterback and when you have a backup quarterback and when you're in the game, that is when you need to run. The only thing I can say is I don't, I haven't asked anyone, so I don't know if


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[Assistant] A lot of that were checks or a lot of that was changed and not necessarily what the original call was or if they were seeing something in the defense that.


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[Assistant] Sometimes you forget that voice there, but another thing is


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[Assistant] You know, it would be good to have teammates sit here and help you in that sense and...


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[Assistant] I'm reminded of a Sunday night game, the Eagles. I remember Jalen Hurts kind of made a check at the line and


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[Assistant] And then Jalen kind of like went like, okay, rewind, go back to what we were supposed to do. That was Kelsey's experience saying, don't get cute here, stick with what we have, don't worry about it. And while the Browns do have a seasoned line, they don't necessarily have that center that's adjacent Kelsey or a Marquis Pouncy or a guy that's done at a high level for 10 years.


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[Assistant] Guys, I hate to do this but someone's in my house and they keep screaming for me so I'm a little bit concerned.


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[Assistant] With a FanDuel read and then get into a doctor explanation of the Shawn Watson shoulder injury. But first, if you're looking to score early this NFL season, FanDuel is America's number one sports book and is the only sports book you should be using because right now,


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[Assistant] We gotta get up on Tagboard real quick, and if you want to give me a fan duel ticket, but our guy, Kyle Schuller.


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[Assistant] Go case it on the show in the upcoming news.


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[Assistant] We sat down and had a long chat with Dr. Jesse Morse. He is a sports physician who specializes in athlete injuries and he does a phenomenal job explaining in easy, simple to understand terms, difficult medical situations. We talked to him about the Sean Watson.


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[Assistant] We're going to play about a five minute clip of that interview. If you want to see the full interview, it is on our YouTube page right now. The full 13 minute explanation from Dr. Jesse Morse is on our YouTube page, but right now here's a little five minute snippet of our conversation to give you guys a better understanding of exactly what the Sean Watson is dealing with.


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[Assistant] Would you look at that, G? We transported from behind the glass to the chairs, and that's because we have a very special guest joining us now. It is Dr. Jesse Mortz, a sports physician, to help us kind of understand the injury that Deshaun Watson


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[Assistant] Doctor, I know you specialize in this kind of thing. It's a glenoid fracture. What does that mean for people like myself who are not medical professionals?


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[Assistant] So what you're saying is the fact he went 14 for 14 in the second half.


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[Assistant] A near perfect performance despite hurting his shoulder in the second quarter.


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[Assistant] Is he maybe even more remarkable than we kind of gave it credit for in the moment? Had to be a chance.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'll do the math real quick, but I'll give you a stat I can give you without doing that, but before I do that, let me just remind you guys that on Fridays from 12.30 to 1 o'clock, we leave YouTube and we go over to WKYC for 30 minutes of brand new grounds content, previewing their upcoming opponent. This week it's the Steelers, so it'll be 30 minutes of brand new Brown Steelers content.


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[Assistant] There's been more quarterbacks who have started a game this season than there's ever been in a season in NFL history. 49 different quarterbacks have started a game this year and it's only week 10, which may go to show the importance of the back of quarterback position has been devalued because so many guys get hurt.


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[Assistant] Let me just read you a couple numbers real quick of guys drafted last year and this year who are making their first few career starts in the third round or later.


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[Assistant] To give us maybe a little idea of what we can actually expect from DTR. Okay.


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[Assistant] Clayton Toome, who has picked one pick before DTR. Terrible. Unfavorable circumstances playing against the Browns defense, but he obviously 12-21 for 62 yards and two interceptions.


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[Assistant] Not very good. You go to Malik Willis, who's played in a couple games this year. He was a third round pick of the Titans last season. Awful. Played and then got benched. Malik Willis.


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[Assistant] Uh, thrown for 74 yards this year, no touchdowns, three interceptions. He did brush for a touchdown. Well, Levis is coming, he's a second round pick, so he's excluded from this. Oh, you're only doing first, uh, okay. The third, no, because then we can look at CJ Stroud and Bryce Young and those guys. So these are guys kind of in the detour range who have made starts.


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[Assistant] Yep, we keep going up. Tommy Devito for the Giants, who has now started two and a half games. He's going to start again this week. He's completing 47% of his passes. He has 260 yards in three games.


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[Assistant] Three touchdowns, two of which came in garbage time against the Cowboys. Three interceptions and three fumbles. You keep going up. Aiden O'Connell, who was a fourth round pick this year, has started two games for the Raiders, is going to continue to start.


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[Assistant] He's completed 66 passes on 104 attempts for 675 yards, 170 yards per game, two touchdowns, four interceptions. Tyson Bagent, undrafted rookie this season. He started three games, three touchdowns, six interceptions. He's thrown for 171 yards per game.


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[Assistant] And that's about it as far as guys who are drafted later. Yeah, I mean Brock Purdy is the anomaly. Yeah, Purdy is the anomaly.


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[Assistant] Take Watson out the equation. We got DTR against Pittsburgh on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Watts is not here, so it's no point comparing DTR to Watts at this point. What can you actually expect from DTR?


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[Assistant] At least one more thing before we move on to a Nick Chubb revenge game, and then we welcome Aditi and Bernie Cozer on the show, but DTR.


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[Assistant] Was asked, what's the difference between your week four start and getting ready for this game? And he said, and I quote,


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[Assistant] I know what to expect now. I'm not just stepping out there for the first time. I know all my- I know all my keys. I know where the guys are supposed to be. I'm not just going out there wide-eyed anymore. I've grown a lot and I'm proud of how much growth and progression I've made. The maturity I've seen since then. Reps are everything and we're finally on the same page now instead of just winging it.


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[Assistant] I've seen, I've seen some of the headlines that we've sent in, and uh, you are not alone in picking the Browns. Let's just put it at that. We got a read, we're gonna move on. Before I do a read, I do have some poll results. I put a question in the YouTube chat and just said, how big is the difference? How big is the gap between Watson and DTR? The three options were huge.


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[Assistant] That does to help bring UCSS to everybody out there on the interweb. We love y'all. We appreciate every single one of you. Hit the like button, hit the subscribe button totally free and continue watching. But speaking of vengeance G, if you go back to week two, that is when the Browns lost Nicholas Chubb for the season. It was the...


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[Assistant] Questionable hit, to say the least, by Mika Fitzpatrick that knocked Nick Chubb out. He had successful second ACL surgery this week. He is looking to recover and progress. The report out from the Browns was he should be ready to go at some point in 2024. The surgeries were successful. I have to ask.


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[Assistant] What does a Nick Chubb revenge game look like against a team that knocked him out in week two? This, let me start this off.


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[Assistant] Four passing touchdowns, three interceptions, two rushing touchdowns and 81 yards on the ground.


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[Assistant] He broke the record. He broke the record for most starts. Gee, I'm going to tell you a Dorian Thompson Robinson stat that's going to get you hyped more than anyone else. And I'll let you guys attend. Are you guys ready? This is, this, I was trying to figure out how to work this into the five pack of McNuggets, but I have no context for this besides this one stat. All right.


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[Assistant] Before last year's NFL combine, Josh Allen had the record for the fastest throw ever recorded at the combine at 62 miles an hour.


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[Assistant] 62 miles an hour tied Josh Allen. That's impressive. The two fastest throws ever recorded at the NFL Combine since they started recording in 2012. So 11 years of data. The two fastest fastballs ever let rip on the Combine. Josh Allen. Think of the quarterbacks that have gone through that with the gun on them.


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[Assistant] Uh, DTR in his first game through four.


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[Assistant] 36 attempts for 121 yards is 3.6 yards. That's about as bad as it gets.


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[Assistant] What G was just alluding to, G actually got a little preview of it, but yet, Tyvis in his element, talking safeties tomorrow, and why Juan Thornhill, if he doesn't play?


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[Assistant] It's a big loss, but how Rodney McLeod can pick up a thing or two from Thornhill and, uh, correct a mistake.


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[Assistant] When Tyvis starts talking safeties, you do see a little like pep in his step and, you know, I love Tyvis. He's our dude, but he gets a little giddy smile when he gets to talk about, oh, when I played at Ohio State, I did this. And I'm like, all right, Ty, you played?


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[Assistant] Hey guys, real real quick, Adidas gonna hop on in one sec, but tonight, Bangles Ravens, big game. If you're a Browns fan, who should you be rooting for tonight?


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[Assistant] And I'm curious if you have any knowledge on this, if you can confirm what they said, or, or tell me it's totally wrong, but essentially Charles Robinson said that he had had conversations with people that made it seem that Paul D. Podesta was the one that forced Andrew Barry to trade Josh Dobbs. Have you heard anything?


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[Assistant] Online at precast.com slash careers to learn more. Couple of these are really funny, so I'm gonna go through the, uh, regular ones first and we'll save the funny ones for the end.


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[Assistant] Corey McLaughlin said, who's the Twitter Slappy talking about JB Bickerstaff?


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[Assistant] Rated R says the Browns are 5-1 with Watson, Jay get real.


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[Assistant] Our Mac Dog said I'm pissed we lose our quarterback because the refs didn't throw their flags for unnecessary roughness. They let the Ratbirds get away with late hits.


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[Assistant] Kevin Robinson said, is Quincy Carrier ever coming on? Uh, he is tomorrow. He will be on with us tomorrow. I told you. A Kimbo RPG said Von Miller dragged him to the Superbowl with a no arm Peyton Manning. DTR can do it.


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[Assistant] Robert Gentry says we have eight games to get DTR ready for the playoffs and I trust Defanski. Let's go Browns. Simple said Browns, eight regular season games left. DTR goes blank in those games.


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[Assistant] That's our guy Daryl and JDawg66 said, gee, they should have bigger pads on to protect quarterbacks better.


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[Assistant] Man, I was feeling so damn good. Right? Feeling good. Deshaun looked like he was turning


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[Assistant] The only thing I wanted from Deshaun was to get four, five, six solid weeks in so he can get comfortable.


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[Assistant] Because eh, you know, for the last two years it's been...


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[Assistant] Play some, not some, play some, he needed to get a stretch to where, and it looked like he was starting to get comfortable, you know, so it's unfortunate, but let's be real, right? I said this before, you had Deshaun Watson for those plays at the end of the game. You see what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] Those are what those special quarterbacks can do at the end of those games in those tough situations.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a handful of quarterbacks that can do it. He was one of those guys. It doesn't mean the Browns can't win. But when you get in those moments, when you get in those crucial moments, you want everybody to look at who's on the center and have confidence and say we can roll with him.


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[Assistant] And, and, and that's the thing that's gonna be missed because it seemed like, you know, just this whole attitude of the team, both defensively and offensively, especially upfront, especially on the lines of scrimmage, they've been dominating.


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[Assistant] And, and, and it goes to show you, see, Bull, we got in this conversation about yards per carry. Yep. It, it, it ain't how many, uh, yards is how many carries. And, and, and when you do that.


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[Assistant] I saw something that I thought I'd never see happen to a Baltimore Ravens defense. When a four yard game became a 14 yard game. Yep.


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[Assistant] That's when them carries all game where it didn't look like it was much.


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[Assistant] That four yards becomes fourteen. That's why you run the ball, okay? Now there's gonna be more of that that's gonna be required, and there's probably gonna be more pressure put on the defense, because the defense has been balled. Leroy, listen, let me ask you this.


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[Assistant] There's two ways you can look at it, right? Now the one thing I'll say about this team, right, is that there's three guys on that team that have changed the attitude of that team. From everyone. And in years past, and I sent out this tweet, I said in years past, this game would have been over after the first quarter.


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[Assistant] I say, why is it? There's three guys. Okay. There's Jim Schwartz.


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[Assistant] Callahan and Deshaun Watson, okay? And forget about Deshaun Watson's play, but just look how they rallied behind that dude, right? They made me, even though he wasn't playing well, like the team had confidence in him that he was going to get it going. That defense is playing unbelievable. I mean, like,


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[Assistant] You go down 14-0 and they score 17 points the whole rest of the game? So they go three and a half quarters?


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[Assistant] And then you look at that old line with all the shuffling and all the, the back and forth and guys being moved and you're able to do that. Yeah. The attitude is different on this team. So before I talk about the drop off at quarterback, before I even suggest or insinuate that it's over because they don't have Deshaun Watson, I want to see how the rest of the team responds.


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[Assistant] I want to see what Kevin Stefanski does offensively. I want to see what the O line and D line does. I want to see if that defense can turn it up a notch.


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[Assistant] And, and, and, and stop the other team and keep the Browns in every game. And then we'll see.


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[Assistant] Because I've seen the way these guys have played at every other position and they have been dominant.


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[Assistant] And if you've that dominant in that many areas of the football, football team, if you're that dominant, I don't care how good the player is, you lose. You're going to have a hard time telling me that the rest of that can't compete.


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[Assistant] What's the hardest position on the football field to fill?


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[Assistant] Haven't looked at all the different scenarios.


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[Assistant] To do this. Okay? What's happening with Joshua Dobbs is an anomaly.


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[Assistant] That this dude has come in, he's come in and on Wednesday and he take them to two wins and looks phenomenal. Yeah. That's an anomaly. Agreed. Okay. Okay. Hold on. So you're telling me you got a guy that's been in your system all year. You can go and get another quarterback to come in and be better than he would be.


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[Assistant] I'm saying, I'm saying they probably had a bunch of conversations and they probably got to the conclusion of this. What are our choices?


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[Assistant] Let's go ahead. But I'm just saying, like, to bring in, like, understand what you're asking somebody to do.


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[Assistant] And it's unfortunate, and the situation sucks, and it's terrible, right? Nobody wants to be in this situation.


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[Assistant] But grasping that straws ain't the answer.


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[Assistant] Right? This, here's the problem with this franchise. And I'm glad that they're not at that point right now.


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[Assistant] Soon as the first sign of anything bad happens, everybody wants drastic change. And I know you don't like the guys they have. Okay. And I'm telling you that the Browns can win some football games and they gonna look ugly. I'm not even saying that, but I'm telling you the best chance of the Browns winning


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[Assistant] And staying as close to who they are right now is rolling with the guys in that room.


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[Assistant] Bull. I'm Adam the Bull and I'm going to tell you who the most important offensive player is for the Browns this week, not named Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] The only positive about late season injuries is that the guys that are replacing those guys are fresh. Joe Flacco hasn't been hitting a long time until these last two weeks. Right now Joe Flacco is playing with a lot of energy, a lot of moxie, and a lot of


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[Assistant] Confidence, and most importantly, the rest of the team around him.


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[Assistant] believes in him. I think it's clear. I don't know that the rest of the team believed in DTR. They believed in Watson, but I don't think they believed in DTR. I don't think they certainly didn't believe in PJ Walker. This team believes in Joe Flacco. They believe he can lead them to victories. Listen, you never know what's going to happen, but


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[Assistant] Uh, the way he's played the first two games, I have every reason to believe against the Bears defense that's played better, but I still don't think it's that good, especially against the pass, that he will play well again.


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[Assistant] Who's number two? Guys, I got David Nijoku as the number two player. Uh, as a lot of guys have been falling around him and you've seen


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[Assistant] Other guys that are playing but banged up. David the joku has been completely healthy and he's playing recently his best football. He had a great game last week.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, for all the talk about, obviously he has, he has chemistry with the receivers, especially Elijah Moore.


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[Assistant] I think Joe Flacco loves throwing to David Najoku and David Najoku has been very reliable with Joe Flacco. He seems to be catching most, you know, he has his drops from time to time, but for the most part, he's very reliable with Joe Flacco. I think he is a big key to the Browns winning this week.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jason said it at the end, it was funny, you said country, as if it's a college team. College coaches too, NFL and college coaches. That's it, Bill Callahan gives the Browns the advantage. You know, the Bears defensive line, they've done a nice job against the run.


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[Assistant] But in the pass, they don't have anything outside of Montez sweat. And if you, we've seen with a way more talented Miles Garrett, that if you only have one pass rusher, you don't have much of a pass rush. They're near the bottom of the barrel in sacks.


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[Assistant] Uh, they have nobody with more than four, I think, or four and a half. Their leading sack guy, Yannick Ingonque, is out, is gone. He's done, he's not playing. So, yes, the even Pochiching made it a little closer for me because it's trending towards him not playing.


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[Assistant] They did a great job. Joe Flacco got sacked once, got hit three times. Plus Joe Flacco, you factored that in. He's smart, he gets rid of the ball when he needs to. It's not a huge edge because of the injuries, but I'm going with the offensive line.


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[Assistant] Again, I don't think either is likely. However, Cedric Tillman hasn't got to reach the end zone. The Browns defense has. The Browns defense has been, for the most part, very good all year. The Bears to, Justin Fields is a quarterback that if you get him out of pocket, he can get


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[Assistant] Turnover prone and mistake prone. I think we're going to pick six for Denzel Warden who's going to play this week, please, please. And he's going to have a pick six touchdown. Cedric Tillman, yeaah, he's getting more action, but he's still way down the depth chart of targets.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this was the easiest one for me. I just think...


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[Assistant] It's got, it's gotta be close because the Browns play mostly close games. The Browns have played 13 games this year and 9 or 10 of them have been close. More than 14.


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[Assistant] Again, I guess that's possible, but just, I think the Browns defense will be good, but not, it's not playing at the elite level, playing earlier in the year, because of the injuries. So I think the Bears will be able to score a little bit to keep it close.


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[Assistant] And I picked the, I think a four or seven point game. So in the end, I think it's, if I had to pick more likely to be a close game than a blowout.


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[Assistant] All bears. Bull, what do you got? I, uh, shockingly have a win for the Browns too. We all got them. No starters, no problems. Browns win 23-17 despite missing six defensive starters. I don't know if we'll actually be six, but six sounded good. So we'll go with that. Uh, but I think it's going to be a close game, but I like the Browns win.


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[Assistant] What's up guys? Big show. No show tomorrow. Just a heads up. There's no show on Thanksgiving. However, we're gonna tape it behind the glass tonight. That's gonna air tomorrow at 11. So it'll be a tape behind the glass. You will get some new content, some brand new UCSS.


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[Assistant] Uh, content, we also have an interview with Jim Treshell, we taped yesterday at the Town Hall Feed the Need event, that's gonna be airing tomorrow afternoon. So there will be content on the channel, even though we will not be here in person, and we're gonna get into our first topic today. But first, as always, FanDuel.


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[Assistant] So if you've been thinking about joining FanDuel, there's no better time to get it on the action than right now.


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[Assistant] It's easy to use and they have a wide range of betting options, including spreads, player props over unders and much, much more. So visit fan dual.com slash UCSS to kick off the NFL season. Once again, that is fan dual.com slash UCSS fans on official partner of the NFL, an official partner of the ultimate Cleveland sports show.


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[Assistant] And shout out to my guy, Matt Kalker, who may be the biggest parlay we've had.


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[Assistant] Since we actually got to send us tickets. Now there have been a bunch of tickets that were sent to me. We'll read those in the coming days and weeks. But my guy Matt, who does...


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[Assistant] He does parlays every time and he's always like, Mike, I lost this one by two. I missed this one by one. Well, he finally hit one.


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[Assistant] Listen to everything he bet on to happen in last night's Cav Sixers game, and it all hit.


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[Assistant] And I play basketball with Matt every week. Anthony's met Matt, he watches the show.


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[Assistant] It starts with a C in real life. And he only found out that I thought his name was spelled wrong because we aired it completely wrong. So Matt, I got your name right now. Congratulations on the win. Well, shout out Matt. That's a good win right there.


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[Assistant] Matt just texted me, he's watching right now and said tell the people I can shoot, you're not just lying. Uh, Matt's an okay shooter.


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[Assistant] I'm just looking at the overall season picture. There's no Browns linebacker that plays more than 68% of snaps right now. J.O.K.'s at 68%, Walker's at 64%, Takitaki's at 49%.


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[Assistant] I didn't mean to get near that loud. I'm not sure if Jay had it cranked up from the day, but I have Shaq Leonard's game by game snap counts. Surprisingly not.


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[Assistant] We do, yeaah, we're gonna move on and, uh, it involves Dee Brown's quarterback. But first, like I mentioned today, G. Bush is doing the barbershop today at 3 o'clock, which means Behind the Glass will be taped and posted tomorrow on Thanksgiving. So you guys have some fresh new content to watch before three NFL games on Turkey Day. So make sure you check out the barbershop at 3. Tune in tomorrow.


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[Assistant] If we're behind the glass, it's gonna air at 11 a.m. normal show time. And also if you're out watching, we appreciate y'all. Hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. Do us a little thanksgiving favor and hook us up.


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[Assistant] Both of Sean Watson had successful shoulder surgery yesterday.


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[Assistant] Yeah. It's very rare where they announce it's unsuccessful in the moment, but...


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[Assistant] I was mentioning that even though most surgeries are successful, the team doctor came out that he's expected to be back in full force for 2024, but he is done for 2023. And I was going through and looking up some numbers and since the end of the 2020 season, so 2021, 2022, 2023, Deshaun will only have played in 12,


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[Assistant] of 51 potential games. It's a lot of missed time for a quarterback in a position that's constantly evolving and you need some of those mental reps to stay fresh. Bull looking ahead for Deshaun Watson's future.


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[Assistant] What do you think about the surgery and the impact of the missed time will have?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think he was fully throwing until sometime next year, but two, three months is also sometime next year. So I'm not quite sure where that time line's up. So we don't know. I guess we don't know for sure.