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[Assistant] I'm not a fan of the Sixers in the playoffs. Uh, they, anybody that plays a little bit of defense can figure out what to do against the Sixers. I like the Cavs. Cavs done a nice job, a really nice job.


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[Assistant] Uh, because it did in this case, the last how many years when they get knocked out in the second round. I wouldn't mind saying that and I would lean towards the Cavs.


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[Assistant] I think James, I think Father Time is now coming to the room with James Harden. I don't care what his numbers say. Uh, that's, I'm not a James Harden fan. Be a terrific player.


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[Assistant] But he, he cares about his points more than he cares about a lot of other things. And I'm a little disappointed in that. He's a really good player. Uh, this team just...


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[Assistant] I don't think they're a championship team or a championship caliber team. So, so I would.


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[Assistant] I would lean towards the calves. It would be an interesting series, but I would lean towards the calves.


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[Assistant] I still wouldn't sleep on the Dodgers, but I think the Mets are the best team.


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[Assistant] Because Trey Turner is here. He says no, he hasn't said anything. He's a team guy. Because the manager is a Canadian guy, it's always hockey references. So Schwab's, as he likes to call him, is a team guy.


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[Assistant] Well, I think he wants to, I think he wants to lead off. I mean, he's not going to hit 46 home runs again. The only problem, and this analytics is screwed up baseball. How can you have a lead off hitter that hits 218?


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[Assistant] I don't get it. I just don't get it. I hit home runs and he walked. I don't care. The leadoff hitter, you know, I don't want, a walk doesn't drive in a run unless the bases are loaded. And all this nonsense with the rules.


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[Assistant] Leave the shift in. If you guys are talented enough, hit it the other way. I mean, hit it where the old saying in baseball, hit it where they ain't. And that's the problem. That's a large in the bases. It's just, you know, here's my idea for baseball. If they're gonna, if they're gonna


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[Assistant] You know, slap it up with all this nonsense. Why don't you put a clown's mouth in the outfield, in the stands, and if you hit the ball with a home run through the clown's mouth, you get two runs rather than one. Why don't they do that?


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[Assistant] This is what I'll say about Steve. On a good note, uh,


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[Assistant] I wouldn't do this if it wasn't for Steve, uh, because, you know, my station, which is WIP on radio, it's Fox here in Philadelphia on TV, but, uh, they don't like me to do stuff for stuff, for things out of the company, but I said the hell with that because


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[Assistant] I, I respect the guy that works hard and I've had a lot of interns that have moved forward and


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[Assistant] And made success out of the business that they want to be in. They've been successful. And Stephen was a hard worker, a good kid.


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[Assistant] Yeah, why are you here again? After you guys got rid of me in front of the eyes of God and the eyes of our constituents, I was going to have to wait for a special election to return to the seat I was elected into.


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[Assistant] No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And yo, I've said this before and I wasn't telling the truth, but I'm here with one of my favorite rappers, Z Money.


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[Assistant] See, I've had so many conversations with you, and I know that you just got like the most ridiculous backstory, but I feel like all of our conversations before have sorta not told the whole story.


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[Assistant] And that could be a weird position to be in though, right? Because, damn, you gotta do the ice cup and everything. Uh, that could be a weird position to be in, cause like rap is, especially now, it's just a bunch of little kids lying about doing street shit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's funny because there's like a lot of young kids that start selling drugs or something and they'll get to a certain level and think it's all good and they don't realize that like, as you get deeper and deeper into the upper levels of doing that shit, there's just unlimited people that are going to want to separate you from your drugs and your money.


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[Assistant] So you said that in a video and people tried to like, you know, be like, oh, what are you talking about? Like there's plenty of people that stream money and then popped out in Chicago. Look at this dude, look at this dude.


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[Assistant] Do you think that like, paying for features when you're an up and coming rapper though, is it a messy idea? Because on one hand, it's kinda like-


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[Assistant] It's like shit, if some dude got 10 or 20 grand in cash...


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[Assistant] That kind of says something about how he's moving and what he's doing with his life and stuff in the sense that, you know, you put in work. Like if you don't got ten grand, then you're at a certain point in your life.


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[Assistant] Tell me about the household that you grew up in, in terms of your mom, your dad, what life was like as a very, very young Z Money.


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[Assistant] And did you always know that from as a young kid? Could you tell that your dad was making moose?


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[Assistant] So, in terms of the way your dad raised you, was there a lot of like, cause you know, on one hand, when you have a kid,


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[Assistant] You want to raise him to just be a good kid, and on the other hand, you want to raise him to really know what the fuck's going on. And it's not always the same thing. Like, was your dad like really straight up and honest with you about street shit and about how to handle yourself? Cause there's a lot of stuff you don't want a 14 year- you don't want to tell a 14 year old to carry a gun.


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[Assistant] But at some point somebody's gotta tell a kid about guns. See, see me, I grew up fast, bro.


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[Assistant] Let me just throw this in there. What were you listening to when you were in high school?


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[Assistant] You still to this day, like, you were driving around the other day, or a couple months ago, and the way you listen to music is like the most hood thing I've ever seen. You got a cracked ass iPhone in there with just, it's on YouTube, and it's old Gucci songs, and you're just clicking around on there, just like, you hit a red light, you're like,


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[Assistant] So that anybody here getting caught with me gon' say what you just said, I swear to God.


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[Assistant] He was the villain. He liked being the villain. The way he would describe shit, like he was a dude that wasn't scared to just tell you that he was gonna do some terrible shit to you or whatever, like, and then he got bigger, but he never, a lot of times rappers get bigger and then they decide that they wanna stop talking about grimy shit. He never stopped.


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[Assistant] That is fucking nuts. Wait, but so, your first, like, when you first, well, okay, so you had a few good years there or whatever, like, in terms of your street life, how many years would you say that you were really grinding before you decided to start putting more effort into rap? How did that transition happen?


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[Assistant] So when you're on the blog and you basically have your fucking own little Dwayne Reid, CVS, whatever the fuck going on, people are just coming on the blog like crazy buying drugs all the time. What's your perspective on the cops at that point? Like, what precautions do you have to take to make sure that the cops aren't just gonna run up on your block? Security. We got security. So you got lookouts all the time.


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[Assistant] But you didn't have problems with like fucking, uh, like the actual dope smokers being under covers and all this kind of crazy shit?


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[Assistant] Why'd you stop? Why'd you shut down your drug empire? Like what, what eventually happened? I went to jail. Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] Wait, so you're rapping this whole time or at what point do you start to get into rapping?


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[Assistant] There's almost no rapper that could tell me that they had a million dollars from selling drugs at 18 and I would actually believe them, but I do believe you.


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[Assistant] So you always, were you experimenting with drugs all along the way, like an average Chicago teenager?


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[Assistant] You guys always have different names for all the different types of ecstasy and shit you guys take.


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[Assistant] Right. I feel like people always rap about it now because they can rhyme, they can talk about car and then they can talk about drug and it's the same word.


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[Assistant] See, I was kinda wondering about you when I saw that there was a song called Bitcoin on the new album. I was like, damn, did Zee have mad Bitcoin at one point? That would kinda make sense.


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[Assistant] All the Bitcoin kids out there need to know that you're a good rapper for them to listen to. There's a lot of fucking Bitcoin nerds out there, that's all they're into.


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[Assistant] I think that was my favorite song on the tape.


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[Assistant] Key Glock is one of my favorite rappers too. I just wanna throw that out there. And I met him because of you. I mean, you're one of my favorite rappers too. When you guys come together, that shit's crazy as fuck.


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[Assistant] He's been around a lot of hustlers, but he might not have understood that you were really in it right then.


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[Assistant] Why the fuck else would you have five phones? I guess that makes sense.


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[Assistant] Well this has been a long grind for you and I feel like the people who end up fucked up are the people who come up overnight. That's why I feel like I'm gonna be alright, cause it took me a long ass time to get here.


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[Assistant] How much did that influence you? Cause you always say you're a nod drill rapper. I'm a nod drill rapper, like, that's- Even back then you weren't.


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[Assistant] So then, did you have one real, like, long stay? It was only a year or two, right, that you went in?


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[Assistant] So when you get out, what do you do? You just start going crazy in the studio or what?


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[Assistant] I don't know, I hate when people hit me up, like, let's chill. It's like, I ain't really chilling bro, I'm working.


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[Assistant] But that's a more, that's a more expensive lesson for a lot of people to learn. You know, they get real, real established in their career and they got a bunch of dead beats hanging on and shit and they figure that out once they already spent way more money than you probably had to spend in terms of figuring that out.


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[Assistant] Is it part of it that these are dudes that you were hustling with and you didn't want them to snitch on you?


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[Assistant] Right. How did you begin to like realize that you could like branch out into official business like that? You hear about a lot of people trying to start like, you know, a club or like some clothing company or some shit.


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[Assistant] If your dad was home, you think you wouldn't have bought that first $30,000 place that had asbestos and mold and all that shit?


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[Assistant] He might have like led you in the right direction and told you like, don't buy that spot. See, that's a shame, right? That fatherly wisdom.


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[Assistant] You mentioned to me before that that's like a big thing in terms of like black owned businesses, car washes, restaurants, that kind of thing.


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[Assistant] But do you think that like your restaurant gets more support because people know that you're an actual part of the community and shit?


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[Assistant] You know, one, one thing I really regret is we're in the studio and you were, we're in Atlanta and you were like, you gotta go to Miami tomorrow. I'm doing a video with Gucci. You gotta go. I couldn't do it because there's some shit I had to do. But then, you know, I did actually meet him in club life.


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[Assistant] The best part is that as we're approaching like the VIP like stage area with Gucci on stage is that I'm telling the security guard like, yeah, I'm supposed to be here, but he's like, fuck you. I don't know you. Gucci sees me and is like, hey, get him in here. I was like, oh my God, my face cards good with Gucci. That's all I needed to know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's crazy. Ah, man. Hey, let me ask you this. How do you mean by that?


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[Assistant] You know, street dudes, but also just have like very interesting, like creative personalities. You guys aren't scared to be different. You're not scared to be into different shit. A lot of rappers just end up falling into the same exact cliches. And you guys are both, you know, Velay is talking about like, you know, how he likes to work on his house. He likes to go to Home Depot. He likes to work on cars.


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[Assistant] How do you even explain, like, I spend a lot of time when I listen to you thinking about how I can't really explain your flow, or what the fuck you're doing.


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[Assistant] You seem like you've always had like real good relationships with all the like bigger rappers who came before you in Chicago and shit. Like I brought you to the studio with Keith and Tato and everything and it was crazy love and everything.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this, how does it feel when you see a rapper, like, uh, pump out a lot of shit? People saying that he stole your Everglades flow on certain songs. How does that feel?


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[Assistant] Hell yeaah. I gotta see you and Pump together. Damn, you and Pump on this track would be crazy. Yeaah, that'd be good too. Ooh, maybe we should try to engineer that. That'd be retarded. That's my dog, talk fuck with that Pump. You gotta get the fuck out of jail first.


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[Assistant] Ah, I mean, fucking, whatever. Driving, I mean, when you're constantly driving Lamborghinis and you're like 15.


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[Assistant] Big-ass lean cups and blunts in your hands. You're gonna get pulled over sooner or later. And you're on probation. And you don't have a license. And you're low pump. And you probably got a glizzy somewhere in that whip.


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[Assistant] He's talking about losing $15,000 rings and shit. He's like fell off the strip club. Imagine finding one of those rings on the ground of the strip club. That'd be a happy night for me.


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[Assistant] Every time I put my grill in my mouth, all I can think about is getting punched in the mouth and how weird it would feel to get punched in the mouth and have all your teeth fucking smashed together inside of it. I do have a grill that I never wear yet.


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[Assistant] Just wanted to make sure. You can't be that big of a Gucci fan without being a big OJ fan. But that, when you really think about like the history of like weird ass flows.


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[Assistant] Man, he came out, nobody knew what the fuck to think of that shit. You should just do a song where you completely bite his ad-libs. I could just imagine you doing a good job of that.


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[Assistant] Thanks. What's, uh, the, the, the current tra- the current tape is going crazy. I love the current tape.


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[Assistant] You guys got along great too when you guys linked up, huh? What? I mean, how many in the hotel? Again, straight dudes who are a little, a little out there, a little weird. Yeah. You agreed off.


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[Assistant] There's a very like, there's two different versions of Greedo you would get. You'd get poured up Greedo, you'd get geeked up Greedo. Very different.


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[Assistant] You know, I can understand what you're saying, but I've been thinking that there's probably people at home that are gonna be like, what the fuck, I can't understand what you're saying, but then I officially can understand what you're saying once you put a nut of butter in your mouth. Pause.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you could be from like Germany or some shit. They just don't know what the fuck your accent is or your accent slash mumble draw, whatever the fuck you want to call everything that's going on with your voice.


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[Assistant] Yeah, which is weird for me to like realize that because I forgot when I got the tape, I was listening to it. I'm like, that's my favorite song. And then Chris was like, yo, that was the one that we were there for.


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[Assistant] Damn, so what's Z Money got coming for the rest of the year? What are you focused on at this point in your life?


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[Assistant] I'm ready for that, man. Nah, yeaah. It's good that we finally got to have this conversation, man. I always like...


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[Assistant] Wanted to clarify. Cause I feel like most of the time we're around each other, it's like, you know, mad people around, you don't really get to like, dig in on who a person is.


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[Assistant] But normally I interview people before I get to know them, you know, I feel like I got to know you, but I didn't like know all the details and shit.


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[Assistant] I'm sure it is. No easy money. I'm sure I was taken care of. Uhm, fuck man. When uh, yeah shit. You gotta do some videos. Give me a video. We'll put it on a jumper.


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[Assistant] That's funny because that's his 8th open story about Gucci too. I'm like, how do you meet Gucci? He's like, he brought an artist and he's trying to develop this artist and after a while he realized that he was rapping better than the artist so he just had to do it.


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[Assistant] But that's what you do when you're, when you're selling something, you try to...


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[Assistant] That's too much money, bro. I got all these motherfuckers in my DMs trying to make chains for me and shit, like I don't do that.


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[Assistant] Just cuz I can afford to do all the rap, that's why I always tell myself, just cuz you can afford to do the rapper shit doesn't mean you need to do the rapper shit.


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[Assistant] I'll take all the bitches out of AOD though, for sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, and in terms of this YouTube channel, subscribe, like, comment. Appreciate y'all.


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[Assistant] But he's gonna, he's gonna push guys, no matter if you're Miles Garrett or a guy off the street. He's gonna push you. He's gonna be the same way. So again, I go back to, I heard Brad say this earlier. It's about, it's about personality. We can motivate you.


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[Assistant] Who are the, who can you bring in to get this defense to play up to their potential and far exceed.


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[Assistant] They couldn't even, they couldn't even give us, like, tangible, like, objectives that they wanted to work on. Like, they just were like, yeah, we really, we gotta put the work in. You're like, that's a pre-work.


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[Assistant] I just don't think, philosophically speaking, I'm a firm believer in this. You cannot play football passively.


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[Assistant] You could have a couple people on your team that are even killed. Maybe even if your quarterback's even killed. Cause he can't be going, he's not hitting nobody. He needs to think clearly and fast and get the ball and spread and not be up too high or too cold. You know, Baker was one of those guys that was hot running high or cold and that doesn't work either.


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[Assistant] But, I'm a firm believer that the rest of you guys, if you don't have that mentality, you'll happen what happened with the Steelers last week. Mike Tomlin beat them by himself. Just him walking on the sideline telling people,


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[Assistant] And they've never had, they've never, I, are you on defense? They've never.


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[Assistant] This is what we're going up against, right? For the majority of my life.


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[Assistant] I've seen my good boy Scott Cleveland-Browns play.


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[Assistant] The Baltimore Ravens with Hello Di Nada, Nasty. Ray Lewis, Disgustingly Nasty. The Steelers too. Ed Reed, Troy Palomalo, James Harrison, Joey Porter, Antonio Brown, these dudes are. And now TJ Watts.


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[Assistant] And we talked about, well we haven't talked about this before, we talked about Damar Hamlin a lot.


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[Assistant] Uhm, people forget he didn't, that wasn't caused by him.


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[Assistant] And for me, the Cleveland Browns, until they want to be on that same playing field,


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[Assistant] They gotta get guys that they can go out there and say, oh we got a couple of those dudes that's not gonna have-


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[Assistant] You wanna draft? Who you wanna draft? Oh, by the way, we just gave Joe Woods all the, all the ability to pick his guys. What do you want? We got, we gonna open the pantry up. We gonna pay you what you want. And guess what? We'll guarantee that you will get an opportunity.


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[Assistant] And he kinda said that in the press conference too. Hey, look, I got guys to do that. Like, I trust my guys.


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[Assistant] Uhm, contacted by a lot of individuals. You were one of the first ones to retweet. Uhm, I guess I wouldn't call it a rant. I would just call it more of a passionately describing, uhm, what I was upset about. And so, uh, you know, uh, Bernard was one of the first people to actually, uhm, almost co-sign that and talk a little bit.


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[Assistant] Uhm, about, in co-sign what I was saying because he, obviously he's a former player, uh, involved in the league so much. And I think what, what happened was it was so much groundswell because of the fact


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[Assistant] That these are professional players and they are, they've lived it, they've breathed it, and they, uh, you know, this was something that I think a lot of people thought about.


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[Assistant] I just happened to be one person who said it and it just caught fire.


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[Assistant] So Bernard, thank you so much for coming onto the show. Uhm, talking about your experience and talking about what you, you've gone through in terms of that. Uhm, when, when I did, when I said what I said, uhm,


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[Assistant] Are there any NFL players that are saying that behind closed doors or is that just something that people keep to themselves where it's just like they understand what it is, but you know, they don't say anything.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, one of the big things, and man, I appreciate you.


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[Assistant] So, so it was, I mean, it was hilarious, uhm, you know, laughing at that. But I think, you know, so many people need to hear those important things. And I, you know, and, and if you look at it, you know, after the fact, you know, and, and, and nothing


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[Assistant] Against the Buffalo Bills or whatever it may be, but you know what they did as far as with his contract, uhm, if the, the news is, is, is, uh, true, uh, what they did with his contract and how they, you know, settled in and made that thing possible for him to still continue to earn his money, uhm, you know,


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[Assistant] That's big, uh, but you know, once again, I think so many people, fans and, um, the high dollar players on teams, they don't look at, you know, players like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, without the injury and everything that we've been discussing and seeing the last couple of weeks, but they don't look at these players and think about afterlife. They don't think about that next chapter of life for


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[Assistant] uh, when I played and they did not like, uh, they did not like me. They did not like my input. Uh, but you know, it's one of those things where I was telling them all the time, you know, first and foremost, you know,


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[Assistant] The bulk of the team isn't, you know, voting yes. And why would we vote yes to this? You know, uhm, if you look at a lot of the, the CBA discussions and things of that nature, you know, they're made up of guys that have big contracts. That's what they're made up of.


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[Assistant] Those guys, like that's, you know, I'm one of the, I'm one of the ones where I've always said the bulk of a football team, if you look at 70 to 80% of a football team, they're made up of those one, two, three year contracts, eight, nine million dollars. If that, why are we not guaranteeing that contract?


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[Assistant] The contract where you, or the, the, when you're looking at the NFLPA and guys that are, are representing the football clubs, you know,


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[Assistant] They are big contract guys, your quarterbacks, hundred million dollar guys, eighty, ninety million dollar guys, defensive ends, ninety million dollar guys, linebackers, receivers, eighty, seventy million dollar guys. Those dudes aren't like, if they just go be stupid, you know.


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[Assistant] What I said, how I said it, and I don't care. You know, I truly believe what De'Quel said was, is very true. We need to have former players because these young guys,


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[Assistant] I want them to be cognizant on what's going to potentially happen to them after their life of football is done because that window is small. That window, it closes every single year. So they need to understand what they're going to face. So former players do need to be on that. The NFLPA,


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[Assistant] They, they don't do a great job representing the players and they, and, and, and it's smoke and mirrors with them, with the bull crap that they pull in, in, in the uhm,


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[Assistant] As far as in the media and everything else, I just, I don't agree with a lot of it. I think it needs to be fixed. It's broken and it's terribly broken. Uhm, and the NFL is running away with everything and, and, and as far as with, you know, the, the representation, as far as from the NFLPA side of it, the guys that are sitting in the office,


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[Assistant] That stuff, it needs to be done and it needs to be done right. Uhm, I think the players are at a disadvantage and they're taking advantage of the players and they've been taking advantage of the players for a long time.


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[Assistant] All you, you gotta call me champ, number one. And what I look to do when I, when I made it, when I played football, I just look to make people fear me. That's all I, that's all I love playing the game. Your nickname was Bonecrusher for crying out loud.


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[Assistant] Hates. They hate, hate, hate the Steelers. I, I, I understand it. For me, the hardest games were the Browns. And, and, and I'll say that with, with,


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[Assistant] I'm telling you right now, the Browns, you look at the, uh, Josh Cribbs, you look at, uh, the Peyton Hillis, you look at all, like all for me, that was where I was like, yo,


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[Assistant] Alright, my massage chair has got to come. I need to get in the cold tub, hot tub. I know what I'm about to face. This is going to be, you know, with the Steelers, I mean, you know, for me as a player, I mean, their receivers weren't really whatever. I mean, they were good receivers, but they were smaller, so.


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[Assistant] You know, you flick them, they go on flying out of bounds. You know, I had...


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[Assistant] I had the biggest problem with the Browns as far as matchup-wise. When you look at what the city and everything else and what's, what's being pushed out there, uh, to the media. It's one of those things where Pittsburgh and Ravens, which is a rivalry, but for me, I thought the Browns was.


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[Assistant] That game, for me, when I was in Baltimore, I loved


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[Assistant] So I just asked the players that are sitting in front of me, if today you started seeing symptoms of either CTE or started seeing symptoms of something that was really major and you became disabled,


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[Assistant] How hard would it be for you to submit a disability claim? What would you have to go through in that? And uhm, also too,


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[Assistant] Uhm, your insurance. As a former player, uhm, when you're done playing, can you tell me about your journey with insurance and how you go about insuring yourself after your playing career? So, when, when it,


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[Assistant] The question about the disability, uhm, you know, I think I, I think I would.


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[Assistant] I've talked to a lot of former players, uh, guys that I went to college with that played in the league. And, uh, one guy I know for sure has been approved of, uh, uh, total disability. Um, and he's receiving, uh, checks for that and, and, and he's not, um, I can,


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[Assistant] He's not right. Uhm, and, and, and, and he should be receiving the checks. Uhm, there have been guys that have, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] Wrongfully, uhm, filed for disability and got it, and some have been denied, but there have been guys who need it.


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[Assistant] And that have been denied. Um, so we always know someone who can find a loophole and everything else and try to get things and, and, and, but, uh, you know, I, I, I really do. I think I would, um, if I was at that point, um, it is hard because I have, like I said, I've, I've, I've had teammates where,


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[Assistant] Former teammates and, and, and guys I played with in college that they've been denied every single time and they're trying to hire a lawyer to get another lawyer to get another lawyer and they're being denied and the NFL was a part of a lot of this. I want people to understand how powerful.


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[Assistant] Uh, the NFL is, the NFL is behind so much and that's why they try to keep a lot away from fans, a lot away from other people who potentially, if you, if you, um,


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[Assistant] Tickle the ears and if you allow them to, to be woke in a sense, you know, uhm, that, that's going to turn a lot of people away. The game of football is a game of football. I will play this game again over and over again because this is the decision that I make.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I love this game. I love the game. I love this game to this day. I love this game. This game has done things for me and my family. Uhm, I know what can happen to me. I know what can happen to others. And we all know. So for so many people to say, well, the players knew. Yea, the players knew, right? But I think when you look at, when you look at the, uhm,


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[Assistant] The other side of it, the NFL kept a lot of things back from certain players when, when it came to medical and when it came to certain things. And that's why lawsuits and things of that nature were filed because the NFL kept that information back from players and they let them go about it. I'll tell you, I'll tell.


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[Assistant] Uh, people this right now, uh, for me, if something happened to me, I have insurance, right? But I still go off of some of the NFL insurance. So if something happened to me right now, and I just fall out right now, as we're talking, you guys wouldn't be able to call an ambulance for me.


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[Assistant] We literally gotta call the NFL number for them to contact for, for, and then you gotta talk to them, tell them everything that's happening. They gotta go discuss it. And then they'd say, okay, yes, we'll pay for the ambulance to get him to go wherever. Now all of that time I needed an ambulance, right?


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[Assistant] So that's the crazy part about it. And there's so many things that I can go in with that. Now when we talk about the insurance, after the five years is done, yes, you are off Cigna, you have got to go find your insurance. We have four kids. I have my wife and me. So it's six of us, right? So the insurance,


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[Assistant] We don't know. Football players, most football players don't understand the real world, right? We, we play football for a living. We don't understand working jobs where we're insured and all this other stuff and, and all, we gotta go learn that. And uhm, I don't think enough is done. I don't wanna,


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[Assistant] Bring the hammer down on the NFL with this, but I think this is workshops that they can provide for players that are in the league and players that in league need to understand. You need to know how to go about doing that. My wife does a great job. She, she looked at everything and figured out all this different stuff for us to be able to have, you know, I, um, you know,


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[Assistant] As far as dental and as far as all this other stuff, because as we learn, like everything's not under one umbrella. You gotta go figure out all this different stuff and that stuff piles up.


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[Assistant] And so yeah, it's just, it's one of those things, like I said, it's broken. It's broken.


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[Assistant] To completely take a player from, you sweep the rug from under him when he's done and you say, well, you got a certain amount of time to go do this and you're completely cut off. And if anything happens, you call us, we'll contact you and set up appointments while you're still just living like hell, right? Like that's just what it is.


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[Assistant] First and foremost, you know, he's been one where, you know, he, he, he come in, he, he talked to talk and, you know, you know, some players, you know, a lot of us talked and we saw right through the bullcrap and, uh, you know, he's a guy, he's a lawyer. He knows what to say, when to say it, how to say it and who to say it to. Uhm, you know, for, for, for, for me as a player, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, I, like I said, I just didn't agree with a lot. They did, they knew I didn't agree with it. Uh, a lot of players was like, well, we just gotta go. We just gotta, we gotta get a vote. And one of the things I do not like how they do certain things,


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[Assistant] They give it to you on Thursday and say we need a vote at the end of meetings. And I'm looking like, wait a minute.


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[Assistant] You cannot, you, we're looking at so much that are, that's impacted, right, with, with, with us for the next however many years. And then if anything crazy happens, you've given us a day or two days, maybe, max, to make a decision.


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[Assistant] Well, I think that, that, that boils down to the players, uhm, just coming together and, uhm, saying,


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[Assistant] You know, somebody in that's going to represent us and truly represent us. Uhm, you know, that's, that's what it's going to take. But I, I think when you, when you guys look at this game, you guys see it, but you know, for, for a player that's been in that locker room and in those locker rooms and understand it, you know, the NFL has done a great job as far as,


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[Assistant] In a sense, at odds, right? You know, the quarter, you don't really hear big name quarterbacks stepping up and speaking up for the players. Why? They're set.


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[Assistant] $152 million contracts, half a billion dollar contract. What are those guys going to talk for? You know what I mean? Like what are they going to speak out for? Uhm, because they're set. Now when you look at the, now you look, go to the next level. So for your receivers, top paid receivers, top paid DBs, top paid running backs or linemen.


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[Assistant] Wow, you got the majority that's looking like, wait, y'all, I'm being looked over. What, what, what, what about me? Because those guys are sticking together because they don't know what is, what's tomorrow for me? What is tomorrow?


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[Assistant] You know, I can be gone. I don't, I mean nothing to them. It's a revolving door for guys like us. So, you know, the league has done a great job as far as separating those players. Just look at it. Look at all of the negotiations. Look at everything that's happened. Look at the lockout in 2010, if I'm not mistaken. Look at all of that. What superstar quarterback stepped up?


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[Assistant] But they were, uh, they were proud of being the face of the NFL. They were proud of being on them commercials. They were proud of all of that. But when it came down to stepping up for so, so called their guys, this is a brotherhood. Well, yeah, it's a brotherhood. So let's step up. You got your money. Let's get ours. Okay.


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[Assistant] Well, let's figure out how we can make his life a little bit better when he step in, because that's going to make the NFL and these clubs be a little bit more respectful to them, right? I'm just not going to cut him because his contract is guaranteed. Now, if, if we do cut him, hey, now it's time for him to double dip. That's the decision that we made. You're doing it with these coaches. You're doing it with coaches.


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[Assistant] And they're making, some players are still making far less than coaches. So that goes back to us talking about the guaranteed money. Like, we need to make these contracts guaranteed. Get somebody in that's going to


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[Assistant] Uh, if, if we can't get him out, which we can, if we wanted to, we can get him out. If you, if, if you don't mind taking a stand, you, you, nothing against this because Lord knows we don't want to see situations like this, but everybody wearing three.


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[Assistant] They know, okay, they're not going to speak up and do whatever. Why? Because they, some of these players are living check to check.


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[Assistant] So if they live in check to check, we know they're not going to step up and say anything. That's what they always rely on. That's right. Right there. That's exactly what they rely on. So it sucks and, and it's, it's, it's, it's hard. Um, you know, because as a vested guy or a guy that's retired, you want to,


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[Assistant] They lock you out so fast and they don't, you have no voice and they don't want guys like that around the PA or around these young boys because at the end of the day they're looking like they're going to tell them things that we don't want them to know.


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[Assistant] And that's the biggest thing and so that's what, that's what I.


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[Assistant] That's, that hasn't been done. And I can, I can tell you guys.


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[Assistant] One of the big things, uhm, and, and, and I'm not the, the quote, like we, we really don't, I, I've never passed him. I played against him and I respect him. He was a freaking tremendous player, a great pro. Uhm, you know, but I think, you know, the problem comes in is players when they're done, they move on.


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[Assistant] And you know, some guys don't talk to each other. I can tell you right now, four teams I've played on, in the nine, ten years that I've played,


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[Assistant] You hate to see that, you know, I mean, and it's not like we got bad blood. It's just about life happens. Life moves on. Right. And so we just got, we've got to do a better job staying connected. Uhm, and, and, and like you said, getting together and we got to do something.


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[Assistant] Baltimore's got to do a better job. Uh, uh, Lamar is a phenomenal, phenomenal athlete. Um, but you know, he's got to learn more at the quarterback position right now.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, Adam Nabool said something yesterday and I totally agree with him.


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[Assistant] They, you know, they got one more year here to, to figure out what they're gonna do and to make the playoffs and get this thing off the ground. Or I think they're just not gonna be here after, after next year.


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[Assistant] Bull said he believes they have to go all in and what he means all in is they have to do turn every tire over to get more players or the right players in here. And I don't know if they have the picks to do it. I don't know if they got the cap space to do it.


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[Assistant] But I don't think they can be conservative like they were last year.


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[Assistant] And, and count on young players to come in and just beat grade A players off the bat. Because to me, I look at it, they got about six games. If they don't hit the ground running and, and.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson doesn't look like he's back to Deshaun Watson of old. I think this is going to be a very tough way for Kevin Stefanski to turn it around.


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[Assistant] I've been looking at the All 22, I've already started to go back and look at, you know, the first few games with Deshaun Watson and one of the things that I see is there's still a lot


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[Assistant] Uh, of plays where it doesn't seem like there's much vertical action. Um, everything is really condensed. Everything is really close. Everything is under, you know, you know, seven to 10 yards. It just seems like the playbook has not opened up. And do you agree that Deshaun, if Deshaun Watson doesn't like a play?


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[Assistant] Or does it like a certain formation? Him and Kevin Stefanski, I don't care if they have to get bunk beds because they are tied at the hip.


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[Assistant] If this does not work with, with Deshaun Watson's, DeFancy won't, won't, won't make it out. Uhm, do you believe that this offseason that will make major changes to the playbook and, and when you come back to training camp, you'll see a lot new different wrinkles and a new identity for the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] What injury is causing them to lose this much money? What could, if you looked at this and said, alright, what is a possible injury a baseball player can have that is costing him three physicals in his brain?


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[Assistant] Starting to come around to, um, starting to get conservative. You, you people. Uhm, the Angels got the two best players in the game. It doesn't matter, they haven't done nothing. And guess what? They're trapped.


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[Assistant] My question is, how do you have the two best players in the league in their prime and you're not even a talk? Because it's not just about two players.


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[Assistant] For a layman, for a layman that's watching it, right? You say Carlos Pereira, right? He's a good player. It doesn't sting as much. Like, it's like, it's not like football.


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[Assistant] It comes out to a calculated risk for any owner. Is the talent worth the, you know, the headache you're going to get?


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[Assistant] California is not saying that we're, we're the conservative hotbed of the country, but California is a very liberal place. I mean, you can, like you can hear in the Midwest, that's a story all the time. In LA, I mean, are they really checking?


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[Assistant] So, so, so, does he play next year? I say absolutely. Somebody will bring him.


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[Assistant] It's kind of like Baker Mayfield, like, it's like, I feel like if Baker Mayfield had like the personality of Cote McCoy, I'm like, would he be better? But then again, I would say, well, if he had a personality like Cote McCoy, he probably would have never gotten as much as he got out of his body.


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[Assistant] It's a mental game. A pitch has got to be the ultimate mental game. If he doesn't. Oh my God.


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[Assistant] That's why they didn't get rid of Priefer. He got the best play, he got a, he got the playoff win. We missed that one.


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[Assistant] Jack, that spawned the question. I was sitting there thinking, I'm like, does, does Deshaun Watson actually have to be a top 10 quarterback for the Browns to win? Oh yeaah. Yes. Can he be 12 or 13? No, no, he has to be the guy that...


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[Assistant] Right, now that's so true. Out of how many players that have come here, like that have gotten here, how many players for the Browns have had spectacular, shining seasons or greatness? I mean, OBJ came here and we was like, yo, we got something and we got zero.


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[Assistant] It was cra- like the production, it just looks like they're different players and I think it's the Cleveland factor. I haven't seen it. Now trust me, I wanted, with all my heart, I wanted to be that way. But you go back to the players and by the time they leave here, these players aren't even looked at as the same.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Brain fart. Nevermind. Yeaah. No, no prospects then. Alright, you had me sold. You falsified it. I had a brain fart.


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[Assistant] Maybe you were struck by a ray of my awesomeness.


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[Assistant] I think that you hit the nail on the head, and it's not always fire and brimstone, okay? You don't always have to be screaming, you don't always have to be F-bombing people, but it is that personality, not just the play, but the personality that demands everybody raise their level and everybody play.


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[Assistant] at a better, more focused level. It's exactly the conversation we all had exactly a week ago about TJ Watt. And I told you, TJ's not like a particularly loud, boisterous, outgoing guy. You're in that Steelers locker room Monday through Friday. He's not the one that's cutting it up and playing the music and


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[Assistant] But on Sunday, on that field, the way that he rallies people, the way that he talks to his teammates, the way that he demands excellence.


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[Assistant] It's just not who he is. So I do think that there is a piece of that, that you do need someone like that. And look, Joel Petonio and I had this conversation and I know I shared it with you before that Christmas Eve game.


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[Assistant] That Kevin Stefanski, who's one of his most magical traits is that he is level, that he is even, that he doesn't freak the heck out. And this is what we say about all great coaches. When Doug Peterson's Jaguars team was at two and six.


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[Assistant] He got that team to where it is in the playoffs and won the division is by being level, by not freaking out, by not panicking. Mike Tomlin, that team was two and six. He also said, we are going to continue to work. We're not going to rip everything up. Being level is a good thing.


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[Assistant] But Joel did tell me before that Christmas Eve game that this year Kevin is showing a little bit more fire, a little bit more personality. I mean if you guys remember, I think Adam remembers this, a couple years ago I remember asking Kevin like


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[Assistant] Do you yell at your kids? Do you ever get upset? Because his personality seems so flat-lined. And Kevin, like, kinda laughed and said, well, I'll leave that for them to answer. And, you know, people were telling me, oh, I've seen him, like, shove a chair in his office, and oh yeah, he's raised his voice. But no one ever publicly saw that.


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[Assistant] And so Joel said this year there's been a little bit more of that. That Kevin has revealed a little bit more of that. And I think that that's part of being a coach is knowing.


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[Assistant] Okay, this is what my team needs here. This is what my team needs there. It's why Kevin Stefanski moved his office this year. He created a second office downstairs outside the locker room because the way that building was set up, his office was upstairs kind of in a corner. He wanted to make sure that he saw everybody when they walked in in the morning. Now they walk by that ancillary office that he has.


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[Assistant] To your point, Jay, I agree. I do think that you need someone back there that is...


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[Assistant] Having respect, having respect for everybody in the game, that's certainly something that I really


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[Assistant] The Steelers, 19 years in a row, have been 500 or better. Okay, well you know what, in those 19 years, they have exactly 13 playoff wins. Okay, you know in those 19 years, they have two Super Bowl wins. I guarantee you, Mike Tomlin would rather have had a losing year and an extra ring. You know, like, it's just, to me, it's so meaningful.


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[Assistant] Okay, but you know what? You play the game to win those trophies. That's true. Like that's why you play. And it's funny because Steelers fans got so angry at me this week. I tweeted something. I mean, they're always angry at me. Let's be honest. But anyway, I tweeted something about, um,


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[Assistant] Uh, I said, you know, the Steelers for the 19 consecutive year have finished 500 or better. That ties the Patriots for second all time in NFL history. And then I said, in those 19 years, the Steelers have won 18 playoff games in one, two Super Bowls. The Patriots in their 19 years, 130 playoff games and six Super Bowls.


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[Assistant] I didn't offer any opinion. I just simply added to the facts. Like, here's the facts and here's an additional fact that may or may not be interesting to somebody. You may find context in it, you may not, whatever, there's the fact. And everybody starts screaming about my bias and this and that, but to me,


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[Assistant] If in 19 years you won 6 Superballs, well damn, that is really impressive. That is speaking to a high level of excellence. In 19 years, if you were never below 500, great. Okay, but what do you have to show for it? Like, what do you really have to show for it?


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[Assistant] You know what? You asked this question. No, not you. I think G. I'm sorry, was it G? G or Mike asked me the question a week ago about the Browns and their standards and do Browns fans just have much lower standards? Yes. Is that you G?


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[Assistant] I, I was an A student all through elementary school. So when I, I was an A plus student through elementary school.


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[Assistant] I come home with a 98, and my dad would say, what happened to the other two points? My brother, who by the way is brilliant and a Wharton grad and made a million dollars before he ever should have, all of those things, was not an A student. So he would come home from elementary school with a whatever, 91, and my parents would say, great job.


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[Assistant] They are the way that they run things, the way that they do business, their commitment to their head coaches, their commitment to a lot of things. They hold themselves to a different standard than just about anybody else.


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[Assistant] You can't hold yourself to that standard and then turn around and be like, oh yay, we didn't have a losing season. No, your standard is to win those trophies. And Mike Tomlin is the one who will tell you that. Mike Tomlin yesterday didn't want to answer a single question, didn't want to make a single decision, didn't want to make a single statement


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[Assistant] And his staff, which by the way, I thought was really interesting as a random aside, the Browns immediately made a decision on Kevin Stavansky's staff. The Titans immediately made a decision on Mike Rabel's staff and Mike Tomlin was asked about his staff and he said, we were so singularly focused on winning this game.


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[Assistant] I couldn't even step back and think about any of those other things. My 100% effort was winning Sunday against the Browns. And part of me was like, is that a knock on the Titans who couldn't win their last game? Is that a knock on the Browns who couldn't win their last game? Like just be focused on what's in front of you and then step back and do the assessment. I'm good with that.


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[Assistant] Okay, I was there that week. I was there when they finally stemmed the tie, stemmed that, you know, bleeding and they beat the Raiders. And here's what Doug Peterson did on Wednesday. So I was with the Jaguars actually a ton.


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[Assistant] This season. In fact, I messaged, I'm doing Westwood one this weekend, Jason McCourty, the brilliant Jason McCourty, who of course was in your city, is on the call for Westwood one for the Jags game. And I actually texted him last night and said, Hey, I was on the sideline for the Jags five or six times this season. I feel really strongly about how well I know that team. If you want, let's talk this week. So that week I was there and on Wednesday,


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[Assistant] Doug Peterson goes to his team and he tells the story of Nehemiah from the Bible. And it was Nehemiah who, of course,


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[Assistant] Got everyone to build the wall around Jerusalem. And the way he did is he told every family, this is your part of the wall. Don't worry about this side of the wall. Don't worry about that side of the wall. You build this part of the wall.


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[Assistant] Every family did their part and the wall was built around Jerusalem. And it was basically creating an analogy for his players. Stop worrying about anybody else. Do your job.


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[Assistant] He walked into a very, very talented young team. He and Trent Balki.


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[Assistant] Up the talent by going out and getting...


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[Assistant] But, this was a team that absolutely had PTSD. You walk in that building a year ago and it was like a war zone. And this is why to me, he's the coach of the year, because not only did he get everybody playing better, but he completely upended a culture.


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[Assistant] These were players that were constantly afraid. They played tight and nervous. They were walking on eggshells. And now here they are at two and six and Josh Allen just told me this, as my son calls him, the other Josh Allen, the pass rushing Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] Said to me a week ago, he said, we were at two and six and he didn't attack anybody. He didn't attack any coaches. He didn't attack any players. He just said, let's just keep working.


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[Assistant] And that is a huge difference from a year ago of what that team had. Marvin Jones told me earlier this year, Doug Peterson taught these guys how to be professional. Here's another great story I never got to tell about Doug Peterson. In the preseason, he actually put together a slideshow.


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[Assistant] Of what players should and should not wear on a plane.


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[Assistant] He said, we are professionals, these are business trips. So before week one of the season, he took photos of all the players in their preseason games as they're coming into the stadium on their own planes and


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[Assistant] You needed to teach these guys how serious to take what they're doing, how seriously to take what they're doing. And of course, a team that has never won before needs to learn how to win. Doug knew that they had all those pieces. Doug knew that they could play great, but this is the process.


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[Assistant] than who he was when I had him week five. He's way more vocal on the sideline. He's way more about rallying his teammates because he has so much more confidence in what he's doing. He's talking to Doug Peterson and Press Taylor so much more about what he wants to do.


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[Assistant] Because he's got more confidence in the way that he's playing. I didn't mean to hijack this into a Jaguars conversation, but I'm just trying to say that...


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[Assistant] And when you look at the Browns this year, it's not that they don't have the pieces, but there is one little something.


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[Assistant] Sometimes it's just one little something that needs to turn it on. And I think with the Jaguars, that's what you saw. You know, you bring in a Doug Peterson. Not that I'm saying the Browns is about the head coach, but sometimes it's just something and the same guys can give you a completely different result.


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[Assistant] I know that the players in Pittsburgh love him, that they respond to him extremely well as a defensive coach. I think he's got a great mind. I believe that he's learned a lot from his experience in Miami about leading and leadership.


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[Assistant] I think that he would be a great move and I don't think that Mike Tomlin, even if it's going to another team in the division,


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[Assistant] Is the defensive coordinator in name in Pittsburgh, but he's not calling the defense. So I think he would go somewhere where he got to call the defense. I think Brian Flores would go somewhere where he got to call the defense and


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[Assistant] I do- I think that Kevin Stefanski is confident enough in who he is. You know, this is like the-


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[Assistant] You know, like Kevin Stefanski should not be sitting here and say, I'm afraid to bring in a strong coach because what if he threatens me? Kevin Stefanski's mindset is, well, I'm going to go win 14 or 15 games next year.


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[Assistant] Sean Payton was asked about getting back in the coaching, and he said the things that would matter to him the most are not the roster and the quarterback, but it is what ownership has shown recently, what is ownership, and what is the brain trust. I don't know how anybody


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[Assistant] Could talk to Andrew Berry and not think that there is stability and a smart mind and a brain there. So I think a strong coach would say.


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[Assistant] I could be the missing piece. I'm the one that could help turn these things around. I'm the one that could make this defense great. Look at Wink Martindale. He's bringing Bernard Ballard on. Look at what Wink Martindale did. He left Baltimore feeling like, okay, I've done what I can do here. It's time for me to go someplace else. What has Wink done with that Giants defense?


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[Assistant] Often a strong coach has faith in himself and believes that he can be a huge part of the puzzle. He's not thinking that he's going to a place where a head coach is getting fired. He's thinking that he's going to a place where he's going to help make that franchise better.


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[Assistant] Jay Crawford. Adam the Bull. Garrett Bush.


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[Assistant] You know, I really think that Kevin wanted to take care of, uh, priority number one and that was to fire Joe Woods and start lining up some interviews with these defensive coordinator candidates. I don't think he had those conversations yet with everybody else and I think it was maybe still up in the air a little bit, but I think the fact that


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[Assistant] Well, uhm, if we're talking about from, you know, Andrew and Kevin, my takeaway there was that they do understand that they have to get the right mix of guys in there on their defense. And I think that means schematically, from a talent standpoint,


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[Assistant] Some great leaders. I don't know that they have any great leaders yet on the defense. I know Miles has taken over a much more vocal role, but they need more guys like that. Some of the young guys are going to have to step up into those roles. I've covered, uh, NFL locker rooms before where you've got,


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[Assistant] Three or four sort of enforcer guys on the defense, like the old school Sheldon Richardson kind of guys, or back in the day, you know, the Carl Banks and Pepper Johnson kind of guys, uh, where they sort of


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[Assistant] You know, help run the program and they, you know, keep everybody in check. I remember when Miles Garrett had the helmet incident and Baker Mayfield, you know, kind of went off on him on national television right after that.


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[Assistant] Sheldon Richardson stepped in as an old school guy and


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[Assistant] for your program and what you're doing. And that just did not happen. So I think getting the right mix as Andrew mentioned yesterday was my biggest takeaway.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, I, I think that's right. I think, I think that's right. Because when you have a big booming personality like that, uh, but the stuff that's being boomed out,


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[Assistant] Isn't all about, you know, how we are going to abide by what Kevin's doing. We are going to abide by what Joe Woods wants. That, you know, that just can't be.


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[Assistant] Uh, the voice in the locker room or one of the main voices in the locker room. I mean, when you've got your Pro Bowl guys are the guys that everybody looks up to. So you've got Miles, you've got Jadavian, you've got Denzel Ward. Those guys have got to be rock solid. And if you don't have that, then you've got to go out and get it.


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[Assistant] Well, I do think that uhm, you know, that they really hope that a lot of those young guys were going to step up in their second season. The JOKs, the Grant Delp, it's really his second full season on the field.


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[Assistant] Uh, the, the Greg Newsome's, the Jordan Elliott's, the Jacob Phillips, they really expected that those guys were going to pop this year. And none of them really did. In fact, some of them regressed. And some of the reasons why they did be, were because


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[Assistant] Some of them didn't feel that they were being used the way that it maximized their talents and abilities. We've heard Greg Newsome say, you know, I had to move over into that nickel cornerback role and it was, you know, in his adjustment period and it was mentally tough and physically tough to be able to do that.


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[Assistant] Is, is he going to be much better at that in his second season or does he really want to go back to, you know, working on the outside and, and see if he can't build on what he did as a rookie?


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[Assistant] Right away, or that you have to appease him. Uh, but I think these guys need to feel like they can go in and say what they need to say. John Johnson 3, we saw him play, uh, multi-roles with the Rams. And he, he didn't do that as much here.


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[Assistant] I think he's another player that, you know, maybe, you know, there's more to him than he's been able to show so far. So I think the new defensive coordinator is going to have to try to find a way to bring out the best in these players. Ask them, talk to them, find out what they really want to do.


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[Assistant] Whether it's, you know, something else in the scheme, whether it's something else they would like to try in another area of the football team, whatever the case may be.


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[Assistant] I think he, from what I understand, he did try to express himself probably


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[Assistant] Especially after that Baltimore game, he might have made it clear by that time, you know, it might be too late because of the way he went about that. Uhm, but I think these guys need to be able to say.


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[Assistant] And to be playing to their strengths, you want them to feel that they can express themselves. And then you want there to be some locker room sort of accountability. There's gotta be guys in the locker room that are gonna say, Hey, this isn't how we roll. This isn't how we do things. And there needs to be more of that.


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[Assistant] Uh, that he is communicating very, very effectively with Kevin Stefanski and the thing that Deshaun Watson has got to do


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[Assistant] Right from the outset, right from, and I think they probably started this yesterday, is he's gotta speak up.


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[Assistant] Uh, Baker Mayfield never really felt like he was heard, even though Kevin says he's got this open door policy. Uh, you know, these guys have to make sure that they are being


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[Assistant] 100% honest with how they feel about a situation even if they're worried about the repercussions of what they say. They have to say it. They've got to speak up.


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[Assistant] So if Deshaun Watson saw, you know, too much of this or not enough of that or areas of the personnel that need to be bolstered, he's gotta talk about that. He's gotta talk about it now and he's gotta be completely honest with how he feels, uh, if he's worried about, you know, the play calling or that they don't have enough receivers.


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[Assistant] I think so, and Deshaun Watson even talked about that yesterday. My headline was that he thinks the offense will be totally different. Now he might not mean necessarily schematically, he might


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[Assistant] Mostly mean that he's going to be a lot better in this scheme once he knows it and once he understands it and once he understands the nuances of his receivers and you know where they like the ball placed on their body on a fade route or whatever.


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[Assistant] Um, and that Kevin Stefanski will know better how to call plays for him or how much, uh, you know, they should use up tempo or, you know, go to the no huddle.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying that's going to happen because I think that Kevin wants to call the plays, uh, once he finally has a full off season with Deshaun and a full training camp and, and, and really have a season with him to be able to do that.


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[Assistant] But he's, you know, he's all about the team, just like everybody else is, or everybody else should be.


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[Assistant] And he, you know, he'll do whatever it takes so if it, if they all put their heads together and decide that perhaps


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[Assistant] Someone else should be calling the plays next season. Then, you know, then they'll come to that conclusion and he would do that. I don't see it happening right now, but it's something that he will at least consider.


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[Assistant] Jedrick Wills, yes. In fact, I think they probably will pick up his 50-year option because I don't think the $14 million that it is for a player, uh, for a first-round pick in that category that hasn't made pro bowls, uh, I don't think that's exorbitant for him, so I think they will do that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, John Johnson III, when you look at his $13.5 million cap hit for next year, you always look to guys like that that are in those double digit millions, you match it up with the production that they've had so far, and you decide,


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[Assistant] That's the amount of money that you're going to be able to pay them. So I think he would either be a candidate for restructuring or you have to look at, uh, the June 1st consideration of after June 1st, uh, you know, your dead cap money would only be about 3.75 compared to 12 point something now.


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[Assistant] Uh, and your cap savings would be in the $9.7 million range. I wrote about that in my Browns Insider for Sunday. So.


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[Assistant] They're going to look at that number and decide right player, right price. And I'm sure they'll sit down with his agent and try to work something out. Uh, but he's somebody to look at. And then Kareem Hunt as of right now, and I've been writing this all season long, I think he will be permitted to walk. He will go out and he will see what he can get on the open market.


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[Assistant] And if it makes sense for him to come back at, uh, you know, at a lower contract with perhaps some incentives in it, then you know, then maybe they'll all discuss that. But right now, the first thing that will happen is he will become a free agent and he will be allowed to go test the market.


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[Assistant] Yes, he'll bring him back. Uh, he absolutely solidified the center position. You don't know what Nick Harris is going to be coming off a major reconstructive knee surgery. So, Ethan Posek will be back.


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[Assistant] Perhaps, yes, uhm, you know, I think that that Ethan really earned the job and got the experience and already had a ton of starting experience. So really, you know what you have there. And when we talk about hitting the ground running with Deshaun, you know, you can't be experimenting.


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[Assistant] Well I would say probably around a B right now, but uhm, you know, they are extremely brilliant capologists and they know how to move that money around and that is why you saw


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[Assistant] That is one rowdy boat. Oh, oh, oh, I hit him once. How the fuck am I supposed to contend with this? Boat's not looking too bad. I just need to get in there and I need to hit him with both barrels. That's all that needs to happen. There, uh, uh, uh, uh, where's, where you going buddy? Where you going? Where you going? Where you running? Oh, oh, he's not looking so good. Oh, you going into the Bermuda triangle? What are you doing? You trying to flee? I can't shoot to the left and right, by the way. I can only shoot up and down. Your cruise morale is diminished. Here.


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[Assistant] Let's see if we can't find a- We got a couple of backwards L's. There's one on the far left. I bet it's that one on the far left.


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[Assistant] Oh, we both hurt ourselves. Uh oh. Alright, defend. Defend again. Defend again. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.


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[Assistant] Oh god, this isn't- Can I like run away and just be like, you know what, I- Oh no no no! God damn it! This is hard!


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[Assistant] That was easy. I still thirty dollars. Bye. You know, I just realized I don't really understand the economics of this world, cause I feel like fruit at a fruit stand is ex- like five dollars for fruit is expensive today, let alone in the golden age of being a pirate. Where the fuck am I? Are you the ship I fucked up? No, I think that- do you see on the map? Do you see the, uh, bottom thingamabob? I think that's this. Yeah, I wanna dock with the ship. I'm not gonna have to fight any spirits, am I?


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[Assistant] Is this someone's private residence? Why can't I go in there? You know, I think I will buy some fresh fruit. Hello sir, I would like to- $11? How is it that you're willing to repair my ship that's been hit by like 10 cannonballs for $11? And that fuckface over there wants $5 for fruit. Oh yeah, here we go, here we go. It's time to take what's mine.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait. That was it? That was it. That was the whole fight? Here. Ten bucks. Looks like you're lucky. Alright, alright, let's do two bucks. Looks like you're lucky. Oh, fuck yeah. Shit. How much money do I have now? 17 dollars? God damn it! Arguably, this is the furthest we've gotten. I should have played more Assassin's Creed 4. Surely, he's close.


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[Assistant] Let's do this first. I've been just nailing him with all the shots. Uh oh, what's happening? Are they both pissed? But I didn't hit you! Hey, the other dude hit you! What's your deal? Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Oh my god, this guy, this was the treasure map, dude. Are you kidding me? Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.


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[Assistant] That's a fuckin' trap. Fell into a trap, eh, it's just no one wants the fuckin' thing of my bob in here. Take this then. Looks like your friend's dead over there. Looks like you're stuck on him, huh? He has the treasure map. Alright, let's do this. And I died again. I died again. I just fuckin'... You know what? You know what? This golden age is not what it's cracked up to be.


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[Assistant] I don't have the funds. Well, return when you- Okay, okay. Remember, exact- Can I just walk past you? No. 15 bucks, eh? I can do that. I think that's a better avenue considering I've yet to see two pieces of the map. I feel like this is our chance. Oh yeah, here we go. Look at this dude. This dude's like, haha, alright, I need your at least 15 dollars. Fuuck.


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[Assistant] Terrific, kill the guard and I'm free. How can I help you? I'm here to kill you. I wanna see your prisoners. No visitors. Let that man go. I will not. But I will open his cell to let you in. Oh, I get it.


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[Assistant] I think this might be it, ladies and gentlemen. This might be it right here. Gotta find that map. Gotta find that map. Welcome to my tavern to drink- everything's fucking five dollars. Hi, do you have a treasure map? Oh, you do have the treasure map, do you? Oh my god. Oh my god. We have all four pieces of the treasure map. Dude, I just murdered someone in your tavern. I don't want to pay any money for anything. You've pieced together the treasure map! Oh, here it is. Here's the treasure map. Oh, okay. Okay. So we need to find that shaped island and go right onto that spot. So if you look at this main map, there's five of those fuckers. We're gonna go to that upper left one first. Don't mind me.


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[Assistant] Please, God, be where the treasure is. Oh, this looks promising. Oh, oh, oh, oh my God, oh my God, it's happening. It's actually happening. Put your back into it! Whoa! Ta-da!


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[Assistant] None for the crew. And now your ship has sunk, you've had a heart attack, and your crew has left you. Your score is 42. Kevin Adams, thank you sir. No, hey man, thanks to you for making this game. So that was Seabirds, End of an Age, we did it. I'm so thankful that we did.


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[Assistant] Where you at, on Howlin' Hill? Uh. Off of Green Road?


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[Assistant] It's clear. I mean, to me, it's clear to me. Clear as day. I might not know the, the, the, every X, Y, and Z, but the grammars of it, I understand what it is.


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[Assistant] And sometimes I'm always wondered why people who are in the mix are in the mix with it every day. They can't see it. I mean, they're oblivious to what's going on here, right?


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[Assistant] We're not even here yet. I mean, we just want progression here. I think we were I think you said the other day Adam. Yeah, the thing that.


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[Assistant] We were, we, we, we, we blinded ourselves by thinking that he was going to come out the can. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did.


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[Assistant] No, this is a small body where we won't see. We won't see the real deal till next to next year. I mean, there's a, there's a lot of work that needs to go on between now and training camp next year because he's got, he's got a lot of work to do to get back. You just don't come back off the rip where you work. So you got to work your way back. But I want to, I want to say this though.


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[Assistant] And I was having this kind of, I was doing the Cavs game last night with Mike Steiner. I said, you know what? What dawn on me, gee, was this?


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[Assistant] And I'm listening, you know, we make every excuse in town as at some point people have to be held accountable for the stuff, right? I, I'm a guy who been around. I've been around. There's some coaches out here. They can't coach talent. They do worse with better talent.


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[Assistant] They do best with mediocre talent because they elicit better production on it.


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[Assistant] Guys who have better talent, coaches who have better talent, some of them don't know what to do with it. Now, I played for a guy at Ohio State, Eldon Miller, and that's who got Clark Kellogg to leave St. Joe to go down to Ohio State, and then Clark had a horrendous, what he felt like was horrendous time because


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[Assistant] They didn't play through his trips, right? And I'm reminded, I'm looking at Stefanski and I'm saying to myself, you may be better because the years he's had success, they've been with lesser people.


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[Assistant] You don't see no superstar. Every time you had a super, somebody that was supposed to be a superstar, you got nothing. OB, uh, Odell Beckham.


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[Assistant] Mayfield look like he regressed. Now it looks like he's a little resurgent. It's only been a couple games. Now I'm wondering myself when I watch Watson, I like, is it him?


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[Assistant] It's not, this don't take away from stuff as you being a nice person. Probably a nice guy.


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[Assistant] There are some coaches out here that cannot survive, cannot coach well with talent. They just cannot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, what if I'm right? What if, what if Stefanski cannot elicit? Here's the problem when you have better players.


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[Assistant] You have to coach less. It's different how you coach. I'm not going to give you counsel because I have to rely on you. The fact that you've got talent and you're going to be able to make some plays and it's uncomfortable for people because I'm not.


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[Assistant] Inability or is it inability to inspire? I think it's an ability to elicit top performance out of people is obvious. So that's in sports. You know it. I mean, it's real clear. Either you have it or you don't have it, right? You don't.


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[Assistant] I played for a coach. Let me tell you what the Bulls did, Adam. Yeah.


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[Assistant] We went to the Eastern Conference Final, one game away from playing the Lakers in the Championship. Two weeks later, they fired Doug Collins. You outta here. Why? Because they felt like he couldn't get us over.


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[Assistant] Right, the fingertip on the pulse, right? And if it doesn't pop.


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[Assistant] I'ma give you Scotty and you Mike and Hor some more autonomy. I'm gonna sit here where Doug was trying to


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[Assistant] For sure. Okay. That's right. I don't want to fire. Right. The scenario that I see before my eyes. Mike tells me that there needs to be a change company. Okay. I'm not a guy that's celebrating. Right. That's all the bronze have done is make change. Sometimes Adam


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[Assistant] I'm not speaking totally with Watson. Yeah, there's the management or the organization. He has failed to manage Joe Woods and defense. He's failed to be the CEO of that's fair. He has that's right here. Let me tell you something.


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[Assistant] It is time that if you if you want to be because you have a small window here. I don't believe that.


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[Assistant] The coaches have got to go. Okay, just coach straight out straight up as a player. They got to go, right? They got to go, right? I wanted to get to the front office. Okay. I'm just staying right here on the field from what I what my eyes show me and tell me right and my league and my knowledge of being around somebody that knows how to elicit that out of people.


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[Assistant] Here's the, here's the other thing. Yeah, is it me or is it or is my eyes lying to me, right? These players are slowly defecting on him. That the shenanigans with Myles Geary last week. That was a de facto. Yeah. Okay, screw you. That's what that was. That's what that was. That's what that was.


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[Assistant] Hold on that stat. Gee, there's some accountability here. So when you talk about real accountability in professional sports is this, right? You have to hold people accountable. Now you look around this league and how many people got snatched out of prominent positions. Hack it. Because it wasn't going right, right? That's the only thing they understand. What you mean? It's me. Oh, it's you. You out.


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[Assistant] Players have to be managed, right? When you're making a million, two million, three million dollars, I ain't listening to what you're talking about. Only thing I understand is that. That sounds like a you problem. It ain't a you problem. This is how it works. We're not in that Ohio state anymore. Listen, it is, that's one guy.


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[Assistant] Well, let me, let me, let me come at you a different way on this. I want you to take on it, right? So there are some organizations, you know, in sports do this, right? They don't wait. They don't pull the trigger when they see something that don't look right. They, they go make a move about it and whether you agree with her or not, right?


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[Assistant] There are some things about Kevin Stefanski that should be occurring. I know you see that they're not occurring. When does it become a problem?


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[Assistant] Cause the Quill, this thing with Miles is slipping away here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it probably comes to a button head in the locker room because Miles is probably expecting something to occur and it's not occurring. This is, this is the pushback you get from players in an obvious ways to the fans. The things that go on behind the locker room that they don't see and this is what I'm thinking underneath the surface.


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[Assistant] Hey Dequell, just ask, and we were talking about this earlier, before you got on.


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[Assistant] You know, some coaches can't coach talent, you know that, right? The more talent they get, the worse it is for them because they feel like they're losing control because the more talented people, you know, they're spontaneous, right? You have to sit back and ride with them.


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[Assistant] I see that out of Stepansky. I don't see him.


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[Assistant] Flexible enough to be able to sit there and take that, right? Cause you gotta sit there and take it.


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[Assistant] So you've got you've got guys that are when you talk about coaches, right? There's different styles and depends on what your personal looks like. So when you look at you brought up Dion.


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[Assistant] Deion don't be coach, Deion be motivating, right? His staff, he took the call around. He wouldn't got coaches around him to handle his business. His job is to motivate the group and hold them accountable, right? Cass Tufanski make the swap because


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[Assistant] I'm going to be able to do that now like Joe was he that can't get it done. I mean, he'd be the first one out of here, right? Right in any other position. I can't get it done. Does he have the strength within him to make those calls and say?


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[Assistant] Can't do that. Gotta go. You're my friend. You're my cousin. I got it. That doesn't matter. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Well, I think, well, make you feel a little better. Well, I think that the quills give me the reality because I don't think the Browns gonna pull the trigger on.


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[Assistant] Isn't this nice? Browns take command in the DMV for those who don't know the DMV. That's DC, Maryland, Virginia area better known as the nation's capital, right? So the Browns are taking command of the commanders, right? And then for all these all these people panicking in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Calm down. Watson allows you to breathe a sigh of relief because he's starting to look like himself. So everybody just relax.


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[Assistant] Let me tell you something, if they, if they get cratered in the last two games.


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[Assistant] Enough is enough. It could happen. I mean, I'm in a locker room at the gym every night, right? The frustration between just the regular people that are in this world.


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[Assistant] I played for some great coaches. Chuck Daly, Phil Jackson. I played for them, right? I know what it smells like. It just don't smell like that.


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[Assistant] Wait a minute, now we going back to Carson Wentz, who give us a chance of winning nothing. I said, at least with Taylor Heineken, we had a heartbeat. We got a chance to make the playoffs and we going back to Wentz. That's the, that's what they were saying.


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[Assistant] Just because you own ABC, advertiser company, you know what I mean? You know that sports is the same thing. Right. If you buy the team, buy the team and run the team and let people who understand the side of sports run the team. Because I guarantee you this, right? Because my old neighbor here when I was playing in Chicago was Ozzie Newsome.


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[Assistant] Ozzy would run this team a whole lot different than it'd been run right now. Yes. Yes, he would.


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[Assistant] But I'm saying the one thing is you see those organizations like that. They let the football people run the organization. Yes, they're not very rarely seen. They hear the commentary on the overview of the whole organization. But when you start embedding yourself, it's like puff daddy in the video, right?


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[Assistant] It's time. Bring him back. Alright, look. That's not running across the middle getting popped.


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[Assistant] Okay, here's my New Year's resolution to the Browns. The Browns truly want to be great and we'll make whatever moves necessary, uh, moves necessary to get to that level. Please. I'm so hoping. Listen, time is ticking here, right? Time is ticking. I've been patient. I've been a patient guy, right? I remember the days when the Browns were good.


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[Assistant] Yearly, year in and year out. Been a while. Leroy Kelly both got in the backfield, right?


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[Assistant] Warfield here, right? Hanford, many hold down the edges, right? Great crew at the Cherryway Jersey. I'm a patient guy, Bernie. Brian Sykes, the glory years. This last 20 year run has been rough.


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[Assistant] Uh, fitness facility or I go work out in the gym. Just sit in the locker room. Patience is thin out here. Hey, Streets is talking. Come on now.


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[Assistant] Well listen, every year we talk about the thing they're saying now, every year is next year, we'll get better next year, let's wait till next year. People tired.


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[Assistant] You're tired, because they see franchises, we see other franchises who have been at the bottom, coming. And in case you didn't watch, there's Jacksonville coming.


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[Assistant] So, my personal is that, you know, I got, everybody know I got four daughters. I'm going to keep nurturing those girls so they become, uh, the beautiful women that they're becoming. And then I'm just going to continue to build up my city in Warnerville Heights and making sure that it's the best that it can be.


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[Assistant] 16, but they had a couple of losses last night. They're a top 10 team, they will be at the end.


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[Assistant] Hey Thomas, you know what I've been saying? I've been telling people this week, don't take this, tell people, don't take it personal, but I gotta go see a man about a dog and a flag.


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[Assistant] Basically what happens is, and it happened again last night, you have a young team that is now enamored with


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[Assistant] The game is structured now. The game is structured now for flamboyancy, scoring, things of that nature. Three things that are exciting, right? That it may make good TV for TV watching. It doesn't mean you won't win a lot of games. So as you saw last night in the Pacer game,


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[Assistant] Down the stretch when they need to get a stop, they can get a stop. Can't stop anybody from three. Can't stop everybody at the end. If you saw the guys, the Pacers sizing the Cavaliers up, they were all going one-on-one on them. Nobody was scared of anybody.


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[Assistant] And so that is what has happened in the last three games. The way you win in this league is you have to defend people on a consistent basis. You have to be able to shut people down. And if you don't, if you think you're gonna win by outscoring people, you may win some game, you won't win the ones that count. That's the problem.


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[Assistant] Well, first of all, you talk about the defensive side of basketball. That's how you win games.


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[Assistant] That's a big commitment. Especially in the playoffs, right? You have to commit to that's what I'm going to do, right? And I'm going to do it every now. You don't have to tell me this is what we're going to do. We got to make a stand. So there's got to be a commitment there. You look out there, everybody's an offensive player, right? You can't get any stop.


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[Assistant] 14 could easily become 18. If you give me 18 and 10, I'm good. The problem, here's the problem, G. There are three men away, right? The three men's situation has got to be resolved, right?


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[Assistant] I know Karis is trying to come in and give us some points here. We've been tried, Stevens, everything else. It's okay.


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[Assistant] You need a three man because you need one again. You need I tell you need offensive firepower because when one of the two out front go down like when Garland or Mitchell wasn't having a good game. You only left Garland to go for 46 Mitchell get 12, right? You got to have another guy out there that can consistently get you a bucket.


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[Assistant] So here's the, here's the, I know he's going to be 40 by then. Here's the, here's the story because again, you have to figure out what we have going on here, right?


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[Assistant] And I'm not one for playing down the road. Sure. I'm not going to do it right now, right?


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[Assistant] Will you make a move necessary because now I saw that after the last three games defensively, you got a problem here, right? Who is the person out here that's like now Mowgli and Allen. They try to clean it up on the back. Who's the guy out front that's setting the tone? This is this is not what we're doing out front line.


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[Assistant] See they were sizing people up last, here, uh, uh, the, the guards from Indiana.


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[Assistant] Halliburton, Mathisle, they were, uh, Heal.


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[Assistant] Really good. They were sizing Mikey. They were sizing up and that they weren't backing down from anybody. They were like, give me the ball and I'm going right at you because you're not going to stop me after they put Darius in like a couple of situations on the side. They just blew by him. I was like, dude, but dude, we cannot.


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[Assistant] And this is the trick to being a great GM in this league. Find something here. And it don't have to be a, you don't have to be an all-star, but you need a presence out here. Right? Because right now I don't think there's anybody there holding anybody accountable for or defensive. That's what JB was talking about last night. Oh, so you go and play how you want to play.


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[Assistant] You wanna play, you wanna play this ESPN type game, huh? You gonna go up and down here. This the, this the N1 mixtape game we playing out here. You ain't gonna win nothing.