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[Assistant] And the same was true for the hundreds of people hiding behind trees, bushes.


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[Assistant] Behind anything that they could find, like myself.


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[Assistant] If anyone had come along at that time, they would have found a strange sight indeed.


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[Assistant] All of these people hiding and silently waiting, their horses left alone to eat their oats in the middle of the sand pits.


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[Assistant] That Friday, it seemed that no one was too concerned about what had happened.


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[Assistant] This was especially the case for anyone living more than five miles outside of walking.


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[Assistant] The London newspaper had not even printed a story because Henderson, who had been killed,


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[Assistant] Did not send them a second message to confirm everything he had first reported.


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[Assistant] In walking itself, people talked of course about what had happened.


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[Assistant] The fact that those same deadly Martians were just a mile or two away


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[Assistant] Did not prevent the people of walking from living their ordinary daily lives.


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[Assistant] Families dined in restaurants, children did their homework, and lovers kissed in the street. Just the same as always.


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[Assistant] Travelers would pass through walking and see only the faint glow of red light and smoke rising up in the distance, where the fields still burned. It looked like nothing to them.


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[Assistant] In reality, of course, it was more than just fields, but entire homes that were still afire.


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[Assistant] The people who lived near the sand pits kept away from the area and watched and waited at the bridges, which they thought was a safe distance.


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[Assistant] Those who dared to get a closer look at the Martians and there were very few who did, never returned from their attempt.


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[Assistant] Occasionally, a green cloud of smoke would rise up from the fields accompanied by the sound of a hammering.


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[Assistant] The Martians worked all day and night without rest.


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[Assistant] They seem to be making preparations. But for what? Nobody knew.


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[Assistant] So this was the situation on Friday evening. Like a poisonous insect that has bitten into the Earth's body, the Martian vehicle remained there in the pit, readying itself for further destruction.


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[Assistant] Although the rest of the world was going about its day as if nothing were happening,


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[Assistant] Soon it would fall under the sickness of war.


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[Assistant] That night, the military arrived and formed several groups around the edge of the fields.


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[Assistant] One group had tried to set up a base within the fields, but they all disappeared.


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[Assistant] There was a crowd of people gathered in Chertsey Road.


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[Assistant] While one of the military leaders asks them questions,


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[Assistant] A second falling star came whistling through the sky above and disappeared to the northwest.


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[Assistant] It too left a glowing green trail behind and sent up a flash of bright white light where it seemed to strike the earth.


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[Assistant] No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today we're here with one of my podcasting idols, Combat Jack. I've spoken to him on this podcast before.


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[Assistant] See, that was, I was scared too. I'm like, this is the guy who basically got me into podcasting. Uhm, you know, an icon in the industry has a huge resume of experience. And here I am, a white boy, relatively new to the industry.


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[Assistant] Just in the city, kicking it with Charlamagne and Chris Morrow and everybody, you know. Exactly. We're out here.


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[Assistant] I've got a little bit of Irish, but mostly French, Canadian and Italian.


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[Assistant] And I listened to him, but he did your show, but I think I listened to him on tax. Yes. Okay.


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[Assistant] Shout out to tax. Shout out to tax. Free tax. Has that been a little bit rough for you to see that whole situation has basically unfolded since our last time together?


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[Assistant] The old shit, the shit that he had him in jail previously, he gets out, it's like the ultimate sad story. Cause he gets out, makes a name for himself and then somehow the thing


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[Assistant] That he made a name for himself doing, stating his opinions, speaking his mind, that lands him basically back in the exact same shit that he was in before.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know what really like kind of underscores how sad it is for podcasting as a whole is one thing Chris Morris said to me, he was like, everybody or some gigantic percentage of the people who are listening to Tax's podcast never had listened to a podcast before.


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[Assistant] He opened up the market big time. So I guarantee that there's plenty of people that watched the tack stone episode and then said, Hey, I'm going to go check out combat Jack. I'm going to check out.


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[Assistant] Those same people on the block saying, hey, you fuck with TacStone. They might not even know what a podcast was if it wasn't for him sort of breaking down the door. And that's what I'm holding a hope for, is that there's gonna be more TacStones.


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[Assistant] Yeah, anybody who's spent a significant amount of time in New York has probably met some guys who are a bit like Tax, but the level to which he was so well spoken and so able to present his story. Exactly. It was like, unheard of.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's fair. You're right. I could sit here and blaze once all day. And actually, you know, I could smoke weed in general. Like the only time that I don't like smoking weed is when I'm interviewing an 18 year old kid and I don't know if he's going to clam up and start giving me two word answers.


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[Assistant] That, that freaks me out. Or even like, people who watch my interview with Master P or Mike Dean, where I got both of those like in the past couple weeks, and it's like you can see it right on me that I'm nervous as fuck. And I might have been more nervous last time because I hadn't met you yet and stuff.


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[Assistant] I don't get nervous anymore, besides the little... And even the young kids who don't say shit, I'm not really that nervous around them anymore, I'm just kinda like...


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[Assistant] I feel like when you don't have a girlfriend, you're kind of trying to like cobble together a girlfriend from various other pieces of pussy.


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[Assistant] So, you know, and that's not to say I don't like it, but I mean I'm 33, she's 26. Okay, so she's considerably younger. She's a little bit younger and I like, you know, and I'm not very much at the point where I feel like I'm at a real nexus in my life where everything is growing so much on a day to day basis and it's kinda on me to fuck it up at this point.


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[Assistant] Okay, so tell me what you think about this. My friend, he's at this party, it's a BET party right down the street, and my friend is white, and he's got five girls with him, and he's like, hey, come to this fucking thing with me. And I had already driven by, and I know exactly what type of crowd it is, and it's a bunch of, you know, probably a bunch of wannabe rapper type guys and stuff, and I was thinking about it, and on one hand, I'm like, yeah, like, you know,


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[Assistant] My experiences with going out in public are 99.9% positive.


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[Assistant] And I'm just like, you know what, I'm not, nah, I don't want to go to that.


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[Assistant] Because there's five billion fucking random ass dudes and I don't got a squad of me and, you know, it's just.


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[Assistant] It's just, I feel like if I walk in there, two white guys, it's almost like, from the line I saw on the street, it was probably a 90% black party, and then I'm a hip hop podcaster, I'm kind of slowly becoming a little bit of a target for somebody who wants to, you know, do something.


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[Assistant] And I'm cool with that when I'm with the appropriate, you know, people or whatever and stuff like that. And I was just in that moment, I was like, you know what, that's when I'm going to say no to even though it would be a good time, just because I feel like that would be me moving irresponsibly for where I'm kind of getting to.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well do you feel like you kind of have that issue with like the crusty old hip hop dudes who are sort of salty and angry and they're looking at you and they're like well you're damn near the last person of our generation that's actually like relevant and successful and doing something in the industry at least that they know.


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[Assistant] Exactly. What are you doing now? And that's when a big problem I have too is the dudes will hit me up for an interview when they're very much at the end of their wave. Like it's over. It's fully over. They're never going to have a popular song game. Somebody said it to me. They go, no jumper.


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[Assistant] Either someone's entry point into the industry or their final hurrah because they're probably never going to get any other media after that. And I was like, damn, that's. You know what else is fucked up man?


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[Assistant] Right. Hey, so you're big on therapy and stuff. You're a big believer in the value of it. Yes I am.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, depressed, moody as fuck, just shitty little 16 year old kid, you know, just destructive nihilistic urges. And so I had a really great therapist and you know, my whole, my whole life, you know, probably the last time I talked to him was when I was 17 or 18. I've been thinking ever since then, like,


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[Assistant] Damn, you know, one day I'm gonna hit this guy up, and I'm gonna tell him all the cool shit that I did, and I've been thinking about this since I was pretty young when I hadn't really done all that much cool shit, but finally the other day,


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[Assistant] Go on Google, I look up his number, I call him, I leave a message, basically saying, yo, this is where I'm at in life right now, I just had this New York Times article come out, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] And I was thinking, you know, I'd like to get together with you and maybe just, you know, leave a recorder running for a few hours and just talk and then I could get this transcribed and maybe that, that could kind of give me some motivation to really get going on the book because I'd have like, you know, a few hours worth of


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[Assistant] This city, the city where you live too, in particular, that shit will fuck you up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just want to fuck that shit. Okay, so I also want to say I'm a huge fan. I'm only listening to the first two episodes, but the new mogul project that you guys have going. Thank you. And last time when we did the interview, you pulled me aside and said, hey, I want you to check this out. This is this cool new thing I'm doing. And I knew what it, what it was basically within the first sentence. Cause you were like, you ever listen to podcasts on NPR?


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[Assistant] You ever listen to Serial, you know, that sort of like high quality style podcast thing where we're bringing it to hip hop. And I was just immediately like, yes, that's it. That's the idea. And now to actually listen to it and actually see how it's all come together and actually listen to your newest podcast where you talked all about it as well.


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[Assistant] Crazy. It's really, uh, yeaah, cause when you think about it, and I think I heard Chris saying this on your podcast, uh, the other day too, is that,


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[Assistant] When you guys came in the game doing podcasts, it was a very new thing. There weren't that many hip-hop podcasts and stuff. And now there's a ton. And they all sort of have the same format. You know, mine included. They're all very basic conversations for the most part. And if you were to look at the overall scope,


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[Assistant] Of the podcast world, there's a ton of different stuff going on and there's a lot of cool stuff. We mentioned NPR, they're an example. And Serial is another like real mainstream example that sort of utilized a lot of different media inside of the podcast format.


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[Assistant] But hip hop hasn't necessarily taken that step yet, but it's very exciting to see you guys sort of start to bridge that gap.


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[Assistant] Right, Gimlet, so were they the ones who said basically like, we need to institute like a higher level of professionalism with this? Because you know, if I go on your podcast and I say, hey, I killed a guy last week, you're probably just gonna run it, right?


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[Assistant] The thing I found really impressive about you doing this project in the first place, even taking it on, is that when you look at hip hop, typically the stuff that does really well is the stuff that's really youth based, and typically stuff that's like inner workings of the industry and stuff, it's very questionable about how much the audience really wants to hear about that. Chris Leidy,


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[Assistant] If you talk to people in the music industry, damn near everybody knows about them, but then if you were to ask the fans, it's sort of like, well yeah, I've heard of them, but they probably, same people probably barely know who Lior Cohen is, or barely know who, a lot of the people in the industry, it's hard to get people to necessarily pay attention or care about them. Was that a thought, or was it just totally overruled by the fact that you knew this was an important story?


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[Assistant] Yeah, totally. Am I talking a lot, man? No, no, you're great. I know you, bro.


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[Assistant] I was complaining about the moon rocks when he was out here. He couldn't believe how potent they were.


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[Assistant] That's bad stuff. Okay, so this is, the interesting thing is like rap-


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[Assistant] No, it's more just like, it's like a bunch of different weed stuff all sort of mixed together into a ball and it's just sort of, it's extra potent, you put it in, you can't even just like roll a blunt with it, you have to put in like little specks or you gotta take a bong hit of it or something.


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[Assistant] Ben Bogg, give me a wee Rice Krispie treat, and I ate half of it last night, and I'm definitely still feeling a little groggy.


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[Assistant] You have to start at 75k. 75k? For his necklaces or whatever.


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[Assistant] Well, you know how he made Lil Uzi Vert the Marilyn Manson head? I'm trying to get a Combat Jack head, iced out Combat Jack around my neck. Show respect to the legends who came before me.


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[Assistant] So can we draw like a direct comparison, like everything that has happened to rock music will at some point in time happen to rap music. Okay, example, out here, 93.5, classic hip hop radio.


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[Assistant] So that's an example. And then like say, you know, the Rolling Stones can go and sell out stadiums until they're in their seventies and you know.


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[Assistant] There's probably documentaries about every relevant rock group. All these things will probably in time begin to make more sense as we have 40 and 50 year old hip hop fans that still love the culture even if they don't currently listen to Lil Uzi, right?


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[Assistant] Do you think there was ever a time that Eminem was essentially like number one? Like the way we think of Drake right now?


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[Assistant] And it's like, okay, let's just say maybe Eminem's the most lyrical, technical rapper. I'm not going to say he's the most lyrical technical rapper of all time.


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[Assistant] Right, but he's, he's up there in that he's an incredible, perhaps in the mainstream, he might even be like the most...


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[Assistant] Does anybody ever talk about Tech 9 like that? Hell no, cause that's not a type of rapping that is generally accepted by the mainstream and Eminem was one of the only ones who was able to get it through there. Why? Because he's white, basically.


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[Assistant] Right. You know what I mean? I mean, it's like Iggy Azalea, if you lived in a fucking, a cloud, in a time bubble in which you didn't know what Iggy Azalea's references were, if time had been frozen, you get out of a coma and it's Iggy Azalea's time in the media, you wouldn't be faulted necessarily for saying like, well, she's a very good rapper, she's rapping quite well.


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[Assistant] I agree. You know what I mean? But he's certainly the greatest white rapper. And so then...


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[Assistant] I have seen it, it's just been so fucking long and I remember like the whole conversation being, you know, see that's the funny thing about Eminem.


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[Assistant] It's like he can't exist without the ongoing conversation about Eminem that takes place on social media and stuff. One of my favorite tweets in recent memory was somebody said something like, Eminem fans are the kids in high school who had full on conversations with the army recruiter.


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[Assistant] And then who was it? Some rapper got in trouble for basically, oh it was, I think, was it Vince Staples? For saying something about like, fuck. It's like.


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[Assistant] He said something about like Eminem makes music for like, you know, school shooters or something. Fuck, I don't wanna, I'm not gonna throw Vince Staples in that. It was somebody.


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[Assistant] Right. And now Stan is in the dictionary, and I saw people making a little fuss about it saying that Nas needs to be included in the definition as well because he popularized it.


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[Assistant] Cause, uh, what did, uh, what did Nas say? This is on ether? Bitch you a stan or some shit on ether?


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[Assistant] Because Eminem brought it to the forefront, but then Nas sort of gave the world a normalized way to say it.


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[Assistant] And it's also, it's a noun. Wait, it's a verb.


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[Assistant] I was with Charlamagne the other day, easy as fuck, you know, that's-


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[Assistant] That would be cool. You know what the one thing I want to get you to talk about?


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[Assistant] So we're seeing your, uh, former nemesis, and now I guess you guys are in good terms, Rosenberg. He's, he's...


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[Assistant] And now he's, when I did my podcast with him, he's kind of looking at me and saying, you know, I'm falling back. I'm going to the WWE thing. I'm doing ESPN. And I'm really, he was saying, I'm really glad there's people like you who are doing interviews with younger, up and coming a little bit more niche people because he's sort of going in the other direction and being like, you know what, like,


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[Assistant] This hip-hop podcasting thing is getting bigger and bigger and it's probably best that I allow everybody else to do it instead of sort of trying to divide my time between all these other things I'm doing and doing that.


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[Assistant] When you look at that landscape, does that ever occur to you? Like damn, there's so many people who are young who are doing exciting things in this. Do you ever start to feel like, I've done all the interviews that I want to do. Am I, am I going to at some point step away from this and not care about it?


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[Assistant] Compare that to yourself. What was the key component that made you decide that you needed to do podcasts?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, a lot of times that comes back to me still, cause you know, I don't really have ads on these podcasts for the most part yet, uh.


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[Assistant] Oh no no, I'm just saying that my original reason for starting to do a podcast was just the fact that I realized, like, I want to have these conversations and I don't want to just have, you know, I realized that I loved having conversations with people.


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[Assistant] And that there was no real way that I was going to be able to get into the position to have conversations with famous or important or influential people unless I had something to offer them. And it just sort of slowly started to come together and make sense in my head. Like, oh, the podcast is a way that I could actually make a business out of meeting people.


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[Assistant] And networking, which is something that traditionally I haven't always been that great at. I'm a little bit low key.


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[Assistant] Exactly. I don't have to ask you for coffee. Hey, because then I'm really like, if I, if I was an up and coming aspiring podcaster, well, I guess.


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[Assistant] Not a podcaster, but say I had something I was trying to do, and I said, hey, Combat Jack, let's get coffee. I mean, say the kid who's out there asking somebody for coffee, or like, hey, let me get a 20 minute meeting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I have a pretty strong policy about not answering anybody about anything ever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like sometimes my friends will see me looking at my Instagram DMs and just tap and delete over and over and over.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because I like, I like knowing that happens, but I don't want to get into the game of, of being that mentor. I don't want to, I don't want people to think that I'm that involved with whatever experience they're getting out of the podcast.


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[Assistant] And because I know what happens when I respond too. They start asking you for more shit. They start asking you to listen to their music and all this shit. And at this point it's like I just, I know that if where I'm at right now, maybe I could potentially answer a couple hundred DMs a day or whatever.


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[Assistant] That's how I feel too when I'm eating a sandwich and somebody comes up and they want a pound and I'm just, I just stare and I'm like nah. You don't give them a pound? If I'm eating? If I got my hands on a sandwich? Fuck no. And it's weird too because they don't get it. And it'll be an awkward five second encounter and then they walk away and I get to read the tweet, oh he's a fucking dickhead.


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[Assistant] And it's like, I don't know at what point in my podcast you thought that I was a super nice guy all the time. That's not me.


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[Assistant] You know, I, like even with the drug thing, I just never mentioned like doing drugs or anything. All of a sudden I start mentioning on there, I can't believe my fucking hero is doing fucking PCP. Not that I've never done PCP. No, I haven't, but I mean like just that kind of thing.


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[Assistant] We are not doing that. I did a podcast the other day where these fools are all sitting here snorting coke the whole time.


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[Assistant] Once weed's legal, we're gonna start talking about legalizing coke, cause there's like a million people in LA who do it all the time.


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[Assistant] More people doing it. Yeah, it's just easier. You know, you could start a bunch of coke and drive. Let's be real.


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[Assistant] Where it's like, literally if I drink ten beers and drive, I'm probably gonna kill a fuckin' infant.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, okay, I wanted to ask this. And I don't know, are you willing to, do you get willing to discuss in your personal life on the podcast? Cause I know you've been going through some interesting stuff over the past year or two.


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[Assistant] And, and it's, is, do you prefer not to talk about the ins and outs of it because it's an ongoing legal battle or because you just like to leave a line there?


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[Assistant] And that's kind of the weird choice though of doing a podcast is that on one hand you want to just


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[Assistant] Kids. You know what I'm saying? At a certain point you start feeling like you're maybe sort of using somebody else's trauma to entertain your guests.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And well, but do you think at some point, like for me, I think I've gone as far as I can go in terms of just revealing everything about myself. At the same time, do you feel like sometimes you want to make your podcast about you having a really intense, good conversation with somebody for an hour and a half rather than the audience saying, oh, I want to find out what's going on in combat life this week.


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[Assistant] You know, young people, we have like a tendency to act as if the choices we make now are permanent. And that's kind of like a funny thing because I think most people my age are a bit younger than me. They're looking at, you know, somebody like you who's got kids, has got a family, they're older.


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[Assistant] And they're just, they're thinking like, that's, that's where I need to be at, once I get to that point in my life. One thing my mom said to me one time, she said, Adam, you always, your whole life, you think that you're just gonna figure out how you're gonna be able to live a nice, comfortable, happy life, and it never happens. Life is fucking war, and you're always gonna be going through something, you're always gonna be dealing with something, and that's just how it goes.


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[Assistant] So for people who don't know, when, so the short version is that you were a high powered hip hop lawyer in the mid to late 90s.


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[Assistant] In 92 or something? So this is way before Jay-Z puts out reasonable doubt.


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[Assistant] And there, and what do you think they saw in him? Was it just his energy?


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[Assistant] And did he refuse to lose? Refuse to lose. And so we, can you confirm that he actually did win with no training or no cardio ability?


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[Assistant] What do they call it? Like the guy who follows the president around and like just feeds him information the whole time? I forget what that's called.


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[Assistant] There's a really good word for it that I don't remember, yeaah. Like cause, like people always give like, like my dad has a story about like this one time that he saw Bill Clinton and Bill Clinton remembered his name and then I remember reading an article about how like every president has like a guy who follows him around that can remember everybody's name.


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[Assistant] Okay, this is interesting to me too though, slight sidebar. It's like I've always been fascinated by the crew of characters that you have on your podcast because you went through stages where you had


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[Assistant] Tons of co-hosts. Yes. Where the podcast essentially became a bit of a free-for-all. Yes. And then you, like many others before you, like Joe Rogan's one of my other big podcast influences and he had a similar thing where he had a co-host for a while and then at a certain point he just got rid of the co-host because he said that it was preventing him from having the sort of in-depth conversations that he always wanted to have on his podcast. So what was that transformation like for you?


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[Assistant] Great era though. It was probably big for the promotion of the show early on too.


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[Assistant] And I'm a fucking control freak and I know what I want out of my podcast. Exactly. And that kills me. There's been times where I was sitting there and I had a co-host and I in my head like this. 92.


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[Assistant] But there's something that happens, like there was one time in my mind during the podcast where the podcast was going so well, I had such a nice trajectory, you know, we're winding it down, we're about to hit the hour and a half mark, I'm sort of closing it out. No, I don't give a fuck who the fuck it is. But there's, you know, I'm sort of asking questions that are leading into like, oh, this is the end of their career, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] You know, you're in the beginning of the interview, you're talking about their childhood, stuff like that. And then the ghost just blurts out like, so tell me about your manager. And I was just like, oh,


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[Assistant] And anybody who knows anything about podcasts knows that it's all about listening.


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[Assistant] It's like you're a terrible podcaster if you're not listening. There's absolutely a terrible interviewer in general. There's no way you could be good unless the questions that you're asking directly relate to the questions that you asked before and the overall feel of the interview. And if you start sounding like a fucking emailed in MySpace survey,


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[Assistant] Wow. Yeah, there's a little fridge in the kitchen over there. Damn, that cat.


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[Assistant] He is fat, he just, maybe he looks a little better. That's the same cat? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, he actually the other day we took him in to have his uh, to get trimmed, shaved. Okay. And they did his back. Okay. And they didn't do his front because uh, he's too aggressive. He's from Brooklyn. Right. And he was attacked by a fucking lady and stuff and they weren't able to shave the whole thing. But like that more than him losing weight makes him look like he's a different weight as far as long or short.


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[Assistant] Really? Yeaah. I'm gonna be honest with you, I get a lot of diarrhea too and I'm pretty sure that I'm lactose intolerant or...


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[Assistant] No, I just eat like total dog shit and I eat a lot of cheese and stuff and then I-


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[Assistant] See, I'm actually gonna go to a nutritionist pretty soon that's gonna like run all this blood work and everything and tell me what I shouldn't be eating.


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[Assistant] I was in a threesome with her and another girl and they're both talking about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I still don't know if I want my ass all dug around in, and also I apologize for saying this while you're holding falafel.


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[Assistant] All facts, that's real. No, okay, well tell me your opinion on this. The other day my girl,


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[Assistant] Cause she, she was like, hey, uh, do you mind if I like cut your toenails? I'm like, alright. She's like, you know, your toenails are looking kind of gross. Let me cut them. And then she goes, hey, can I paint them too? I'm like, what the fuck out of here? And she goes, well, you're so close minded. You know, you, you joke around about gay stuff all the time. You're not gonna let me cut your toenails. And my argument was,


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[Assistant] Some of these guys that I'm around probably wouldn't think that was funny.


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[Assistant] No, I think it's great. Actually, I would like to talk about your food the whole time.


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[Assistant] You know what I love? I just love the, you go to Astoria or you go to Midtown and you get the fucking chicken and rice halal cart. That to me.


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[Assistant] But you, so you know that's the one that they basically turned into like a chain. And as I got it out here, there's one like three blocks away from my apartment. And I'm going to be honest with you, it's okay. If I. Is it okay? It's okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well I think. You know, like for me, like being from New England, it's like I could wear a Boston hat, I'll never wear a Yankees hat, I'll never wear an LA hat. To me that somehow is like a gang that I'm actually a part of. And not that I'm active in the New England baseball hat gang banging service.


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[Assistant] But, to wear a New York hat would just feel like, you know, it just wouldn't feel right. You can't do it. I'm not Christian, but I'm not gonna wear a fucking yarmulke either. Exactly. You know. Yeaah. It's just not my culture. I might wear a yarmulke. You might.


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[Assistant] And you haven't done this yet, but I do think that's a cool idea though, because I'd like to know what they would say.


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[Assistant] Well, okay, I'll say this is that, you know, for me as someone who clearly identifies as, you know, taking part in and involving himself in black culture, that I approach a conversation about race and about hip hop in a certain way. He doesn't really have that because to him it's like he


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[Assistant] It's not, he doesn't have anything to do with black culture. He just so happens to have a podcast for Charlamagne, but that's about the stretches of...


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[Assistant] Right. So I would say he's a lot more of a regular old white guy in terms of how he approaches certain conversations. And which is interesting to me because I frequently will hear him engaging in conversations that I'm like, that's just something I wouldn't say. I just wouldn't really want to start the pot on that.


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[Assistant] Okay, for an example, the other, cause he's a comic too. So I think that informs the way he talks about stuff a lot.


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[Assistant] Tend to obscuficate, am I saying the wrong word?


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[Assistant] They like to obscure, you know, like for me, I'm very like fact based type person. If we're going to have a conversation, I'm probably going to, and with somebody like him, it's kind of hard sometimes to tell, is he joking? Is he, is he doing a little bit of a comedy?


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[Assistant] Yes, because, and he does that every day where he'll do a little recorded


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[Assistant] Peace of comedy type thing on his Twitter, and I remember the other day he said something about like, do ugly Muslim women have to wear the veil? Because the veil is just so that men aren't.


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[Assistant] You know, tempted to basically fuck the, the women in the society or whatever and that was his own. And I'm thinking like, okay, like as a comedian, I get what you're doing there, you're making a joke. If, if somebody didn't realize you're a comic, you might hear that and be like, oh wow, that's a really heinously stupid way of viewing Islam.


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[Assistant] I take it as a joke. I didn't even bother to click on it. Listen, I'm assuming he's trying to make a joke.


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[Assistant] So it is real or it's like a fake thing that he was kind of drumming up?


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[Assistant] I think generally as a society we should try to not use rape as a punishment mechanism.


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[Assistant] And so that to me again kinda seems like a comic thing, where it's like, ah, we're gonna rape the rapist, haha, you know? And I don't, my mind doesn't go to that, like to come up with like a hilarious scenario as like a comedy bit type thing.


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[Assistant] But don't you think that kind of precludes any, like say I told a really, really, really funny joke right now that also, like Bill Ma wasn't that funny when he said the N word there, but say-


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[Assistant] But Bill Maher probably could not have told a joke that was funny enough to involve him saying that N-word in that sentence, right?


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[Assistant] And I mean, I would have, I would agree for the most part, like, rape jokes aren't funny.


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[Assistant] Is there a rape joke that would be kinda fun? Sure, but is it gonna play well in today's society? I don't know.


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[Assistant] That's interesting. Well, I will say that if you were Superman, you basically could like destroy ISIS like overnight and probably stop a lot of rapes. Like probably the next day, there would be a lot less rapes from all the sex slaves and everything like that. So maybe the one rape will be worth it. That being said, I don't know. It's kind of a strange comedy routine.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you probably have a couple women in the audience that have been raped or dealt with something along those lines. So then, that right there, that becomes the big issue.


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[Assistant] Right, exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's like, is there a funny concentration camp joke? Probably. Of course there is. We had a TV show.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, of course. I'll make this nice long conversation, nice long question here. You know, that's an interviewer's trick. If they're giving you bad answers, you make the question last two minutes to balance out their 15 second answer. Does that matter?


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[Assistant] Alright, yeah, but that's kind of like one of the principle like discussions going on in the culture as a whole right now is like has free speech gone too far? Are people too politically correct? Are people too self-conscious about that kind of stuff?


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[Assistant] And it's interesting because now a lot of the censorship is sort of coming from the left where it's like, okay, there are ideas and there are things being said that are too offensive and we shouldn't allow them. Whereas like, you know, in the late nineties or something like that, it was like the church groups. It was coming from the right. It was, oh, we're going to protest.


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[Assistant] I would consider apologizing if I had said


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[Assistant] Mob deep were the best New York crew because they were never on that gay ass shit back and down. You know, like literally, like unless I said the actual thing, I'm not apologizing. Sweet. Oh my, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of offended by your lawyer and actually I think he might need to. He's a good lawyer, but you know,


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[Assistant] But we all lose a little something if we start watching what we say and start policing ourselves in a way that we don't necessarily agree with like, okay, you don't, you don't say the N word if you're white. Sure. That's like very easy to comprehend.


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[Assistant] It has proven challenging for some of us, but I think, you know, it's, it's an overall work in progress, but I'm saying like they're okay.


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[Assistant] That's, that's a pretty easy rule that I think we can all kind of agree with. But then once you start to get into like, oh, you're offensive because you said this or, you know, it's a microaggression because you were pointing while you were talking to me and stuff like that. I feel like we're getting a little too, uh, a little too soft, which also might be in a microaggression for me to say soft there.


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[Assistant] Idiot exists to help us figure out the social order. It's to help us figure out who's smarter than who.


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[Assistant] This is going to be a long question, yea. Alright, so, there was a conversation about these YouTubers a couple years ago, and basically they make a video every day about their lives, their whole family, they got kids. So one day they make a video, oh,


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[Assistant] The, the wife is pregnant. She did a pregnancy test, she's pregnant. The next day, they had to make a video saying she had a miscarriage. And I post, there was a, like a Gawker article or something and I posted it basically, this is before I started making YouTube videos every single day, but it was basically saying, hey,


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[Assistant] This is why you shouldn't make fucking YouTube videos about your goddamn kids and announce every single significant thing happening in your life, blah blah blah. I made some kind of joke like that. And my sister hit me up and said,


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know why you think it's okay to make jokes about miscarriages. You know, like I've gone through that. A lot of people in your family have gone through that. Why do you think it's okay to joke about that? And I said, okay, well, I know a lot of people have died from cancer and we're still making jokes about cancer. And I know a lot of people have been shot and we're still making jokes about people getting shot. It's just because something-


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[Assistant] A.C.'s fall out the window and hit people in the heads and shit. I don't know. To me it's like just because something happened to you and your life and you in particular find it offensive, doesn't mean that it can't be a joke. What if I had like no dick? What if I got like a one inch dick? What, a micro penis joke's not funny anymore?


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[Assistant] Do you think it's coming in a way? Do you think that like, political correctness has gone to the point where the mainstream, to a certain extent, is starting to look at it and say, mmm, maybe this isn't for the best.


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[Assistant] But isn't he a response to perhaps overt liberalism, overt extreme leftist ideologies?


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[Assistant] Listen, if Kathy Griffin did that to Obama, or to some respectable politician,


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[Assistant] No, I think if she did it to Obama, if she did it to George Bush, if she did it to a somewhat respectable politician, she would have had her career destroyed and she would have deserved it. But, she did it about Donald Trump, who's the most offensive, most idiotic, most barbaric


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[Assistant] He's got small hands too. Small hands, probably like almost no cock. Yea, like no cock.


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[Assistant] Right. So it could be a slow death, so at least there would be time for the government to-


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[Assistant] Tomorrow you read on politico.com Buzzfeed, Donald Trump has anal cancer.


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[Assistant] Yeah. The only thing that I think would be bad about him actually getting assassinated is that there wouldn't be a lot of time for the transition, you know?


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[Assistant] You know Reza Aslan from uh, who's kind of a piece of shit in his own right, he had like a show on CNN and he called Donald Trump a piece of shit on Twitter and he got fired for it.


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[Assistant] The president sucks. That's a fact. Do you have hope for, you know, three or so years from now when we get to-


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[Assistant] Okay, let me just throw this out there. Obama, president for eight years, a lot of people would say that maybe it wasn't a revolutionary presidency in a sense.


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[Assistant] The fact that Donald Trump got elected in the first place perhaps raised people's hopes that


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[Assistant] Maybe we could have a somewhat more revolutionary president elected because with Obama, I think a lot of people saw him get elected and then they saw, you know, the, the war, the drone strikes keep going in, uh, in the middle East over and over and stuff like that. And people started to feel like, well, even if we have, we elect this woke, educated black man,


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[Assistant] Things won't change that much. And now with Donald Trump, at least it's like, oh well, it's possible to elect a fucking handicapped fucktard.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. He doesn't even know what the fuck he's talking about, ever. There's- because you know what the thing is-


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[Assistant] I mean, do you think they ever talk? Like when you picture what a relationship is between a man and a woman on average, it's so clear, right?


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[Assistant] And not only that, I don't think that there's any chance of him having any kind of serious relationship with any woman ever, you know, in the past 20 years, maybe, maybe when he was 25 or 30, he was a different person. These days there's, it's so obvious that he has no capacity for love, affection, et cetera.


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[Assistant] When you hear that conversation with him and Billy Bush, I think that's like bragging about how he could fuck any girl he wants. I think that's probably the extent of his sexuality.


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[Assistant] Well, but you know what's funny is that we had a party here and, uh, she's on Instagram and YouTube and stuff, she's pretty well known I guess on there, and she had two African American kids.


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[Assistant] No, but she's of that ilk, you know, cause she's Armenian, she's from the same area that they're from, she, if you were to look at her, she has some similar attributes to the Kardashian family in her rear end.


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[Assistant] Uh, what the fuck was I gonna say? Oh yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. They don't, I mean, Armenian people are crazy. It's like, it's like...


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[Assistant] And I was like, I was like, hey, I should come to your place sometimes. She goes, oh no, like you really shouldn't. I'm like, why? She's like, well my brother and his friends will probably beat the shit out of you. And I'm like, what? They ain't gonna beat the shit out of me. She goes, oh no, no, they would. I'm like, oh right.


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[Assistant] No, but she told me there were bloods and that they were in the Bronx and they were probably fucking shot me. And I was like thinking about it and I'm like, oh yeaah, yeaah, you're right.


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[Assistant] For you, yes. But you don't look like you might be done with Hitler.


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[Assistant] Well think about it, up until then in your life, you probably had never thought about what it would feel like to get curb stomped. And then you're watching that, and it really makes...


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[Assistant] Curb stomp. Put your, put your, put your teeth on the curb. Oof.


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[Assistant] This episode is brought to you by this, look at what I have on my hat here, it's a Gucci main on top of a Squirtle. I don't know if you know that, it's a Pokemon. This guy Joe over here made it and gave it to me.


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[Assistant] I remember having the experience when I was probably 16, 17, 18, you know, one thing that younger people take for granted is that their urine stream is very strong at a young age. And I used to be, you know, in the airport or any bathroom, you're hearing some 50 year old guy taking a piss next to you and you, you're 16, you walk in there, sounds like a fucking garden hose going off.


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[Assistant] Second you take your dick out, it's just boom, garden hose, all the piss comes out of you. You get a little older, you listen to a 65 year old guy take a piss and it's like a light drizzle.


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[Assistant] I'm 33 and I can feel it, I can feel it happening. I gotta piss more. My stream's not as strong. Makes me scared about what 65's gonna be like and I wanna know if there's any exercises or anything I should be doing that make-


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[Assistant] And there's a scene where he plays a show at NYU, and I've known about this from 1999 when I first saw this documentary, but I went to re-watch it because I remembered it so well. And he actually is on stage at a college campus and he shoves a whole banana up his ass and then shits it out into his hand and throws it at the audience.


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[Assistant] They're making it so that if you like joking around, that you feel like you kinda have to be on the road.


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[Assistant] Right. So it's very important that us on the left, who have a sense of humor, that we continue to advocate for that.


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[Assistant] So we probably are forced to, but then you look at some of the crazy activist stuff and crazy extremist left stuff going on and you're kinda like, well, I wanna be a different type of leftist.


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[Assistant] He got away pretty nicely. He did, he skated through that shit. But running is never a good look.


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[Assistant] Meek Mill's basically taking an L for this whole thing. Like, nobody's giving him respect because he jumped some guy.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I don't think people want to see that. I think Mingmell might have been misjudging that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, obviously, we can assume the only reason why anybody would want to do anything to safari would probably just-


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[Assistant] If I got jumped like that, and I think by Meek Mill's crew, who you're assuming are probably a bunch of hardasses, you know, they probably know how to fight, I mean, eh.


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[Assistant] Massive combat jack fan. I would never do such a thing. That's a LSN thing.


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[Assistant] If you wanna lose weight, that sauce is pretty much like the biggest enemy you could have.


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[Assistant] Well, some would say the giant pita loaf that you're eating is consumed inside is bread, bud.


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[Assistant] Spotify. If you want to watch mogul, which is the most exhilarating, exciting combat jack. Listen, right? If you want to check out mogul, you gotta go to Spotify. Not anymore. It's on iTunes now.


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[Assistant] But we should probably tell people to go check it out on Spotify because that is where some percentage of the bag came from, correct? Apple now.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. Well, get your ass on apple. It's probably a lot more.


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[Assistant] It's awesome and it gives you a real peek into not just the life of Chris, or uh, Chris Lighty. Damn, Chris Morrow. Yeah, sorry.


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[Assistant] But, you know, and if you're just interested in the formation of hip hop, what it was like in the Bronx at the time, just the scene that you set very early on when you're talking about the Bronx was burning.


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[Assistant] That, that just got me, I'm right in there. It's hard to imagine a time such as that when you think about New York for somebody like me, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's too bad. It gives you a really good look back into the way that New York once was and where hip hop came from.


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[Assistant] Anyway, Combat Jack, everybody should go check out your podcast, still, still dropping Heat Weekly.


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[Assistant] A ghost episode. I totally agree with that. Hey, and the same day that I interviewed you last time, that we lost that file, we also lost our interview with Lil Peep, who at the time, I remember telling you about him, you hadn't heard about him, and then he's with the New York Times.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he's out there living in London, he's modeling for Vlone, he's walking the runway. Maybe you could be doing that by the time we talk again.


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[Assistant] Sorry, I'm getting in touch. Hey, Combat, thank you so much. It's been a real fucking honor. You're one of the pioneers in this space. Appreciate that, man. Thank you very much to the whole Loudskeep, uh, the whole groundskeepers network.


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[Assistant] I always look for something to do when the weather is like this, to distract myself. Otherwise all I do is think of Ibe and how she's hanging on to the roots. I can't stand it.


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[Assistant] By the way, have you guys, I don't know why this is taking me two months to notice, but whenever they, in the intro when it says Adam the bull, he like pauses between Adam and the bull as if, why does this idiot have a nickname the bull? Like Adam the bull? He just read the script for the first time as he's recording.


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[Assistant] So the origin is 1984, I'm playing Babe Ruth League, Little League team. I was a first baseman, I was a big kid obviously. I was actually tall when I was really young and I just stopped growing. Uhm, and the Cubs, I'm a Cubs fan of course, and the Cubs at the time had a first baseman, Leon Boldurum.


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[Assistant] And so all my friends just started calling me Bull. And then when I went to college, one of my roommates was also named Adam. And that's when it really took off.


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[Assistant] Because they're like, well, we can't call you both Adam. So everybody just started calling me Bull. A lot of my older friends, when they, when I meet their kids, they say, say hi to Uncle Bull. You know, they don't even call me Adam anymore.


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[Assistant] Am I reading this wrong? No, it's gotta be, right? Because first of all, the AP is an incredible source as it's gonna be, right? Like, the AP just doesn't throw things out there ha-hazardly. Mary Kay is also, like, she's not in the business of throwing people under the bus.


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[Assistant] I would think there's two, as you say, there's two sources from the league, not just one from Watson and one from the league that are giving different information either purposely or not to two different reporters. What does it say to you guys that there could be disagreement


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[Assistant] After the second day of the Sean Watson's hearing, a league source reminds that Sue Robinson won't deliver a ruling on the spot, the hearings will finish, then they'll likely be post-hearing submissions, and then a decision sourced not currently expecting hearing to last past this week.


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[Assistant] If Josina's right, and obviously we know she's as plugged in as anybody, uh, I don't think we're going to hear anything by Friday, based on that.


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[Assistant] And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe today is the day that they have to have discovery in civil cases.


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[Assistant] You know what's the weird angle of this? G, and G brings up the fact that like what Jason said, I just think it's interesting. Like we all feel almost aggrieved that we have to keep talking about and thinking about. The reality is the people, like for the women and for Deshaun Watson, this is a huge deal. This is their lives.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Deshaun Watson, and then Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. To me, there are seven great quarterbacks, elite quarterbacks. There's some other good players, some other really good quarterbacks, but there's seven elite quarterbacks in my mind. You could disagree, agree. To me, that's, there's a line of demarcation.


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[Assistant] If you have one of those seven quarterbacks, the teams that have those seven quarterbacks, if you don't win a Super Bowl, well they are there.


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[Assistant] Now the Buccaneers have won one with Brady, the Roger, it's been a while, but the Rogers, the Packers won one with Rogers, the Chiefs have won one with Chief, uh, with, with Mahomes. Right. For the other four, the Bengals, the Browns,


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[Assistant] If those four teams do not win a Super Bowl with their current quarterback, it will be a disappointment. There's no doubt about it. But I wouldn't call their act like, but it's not, the trade is not necessarily a bad trade because of that. I see where you're going with that.


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[Assistant] It comes down to do you think you could win a Super Bowl with the guy you had?


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[Assistant] And those teams drafted a player because they didn't think they did, and they didn't.


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[Assistant] If you are someone who believes you could win a Super Bowl with Baker Mayfield,


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[Assistant] Then I get it, this trade is bad if you don't win a Super Bowl. Right. But if you thought you couldn't win a Super Bowl with Baker, and I do not believe the Browns could win a Super Bowl with Baker, not in this AFC and not in this NFL. Then you have to make a move. Then you had to go get a quarterback. Right. So I wouldn't call the trade a bad trade unless


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[Assistant] He ends up in jail, or he's not as good a quarterback as we thought. And let's say they win two playoff games over the next five years. That's a disaster. I think we've established where we are in that.


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[Assistant] So then the trade's not a desa- I can't see it as a disaster. Because you're trying to win the Super Bowl. Of course, but- And, and if you get Deshaun Watson- You can't win a Super Bowl though if Deshaun's not playing. Agree, totally. And then maybe the trade- And you have a better chance with Baker than Jacoby Percent, we all agree, but ultimately, there's no way the Browns are winning a Super Bowl this year with Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] It's misleading in my opinion for two reasons. Number one, uh, Deshaun Watson had three successful seasons and went to the playoffs, what, two out of three years, his first three years in the league.


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[Assistant] And won how many playoff games? He won one. Okay. Uhm. One. He had a terrible offensive line. Bakers had an excellent offensive line the last two years.


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[Assistant] The only bad, the only under 500 year that Sean Watson had. Didn't he have a 3 in 13? Yeaah, that was his last year. Can you name a good player?


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[Assistant] Baker was not doing that. In fourth, Baker's record, like down the score with the ball in the fourth quarter is hideous. The only time he's ever come through a big in that spot was that crazy game against the Bengals two years ago.


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[Assistant] Yes, yes, he's going to be all time great. If they end up, he's got to be all time great. And they got to be all time great. He's got to win a ring.


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[Assistant] That's what it's all about. That's what it's all about. Well, I agree. There's no doubt. Listen, to me, if you're, if you're a Bills fan right now, you're a Browns fan right now, you're a Bengals fan right now, you're a Chiefs fan right now, uh, you're a Chargers fan right now with Herbert. If you don't want a Super Bowl with these guys, I know Mahomes has won one already, but they still feel like they gotta win another. It's a disappointment. I get it.


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[Assistant] I was talking about Lamar Jackson before the show. He goes, Lamar Jackson is trash.


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[Assistant] Would you, now if he misses the whole season, there's a decent chance the Browns might go out there and try to get another quarterback, at least to compete with Jacoby. But if he misses eight games,


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[Assistant] If it ends up being eight. Do you think the Browns will still try to go out and get somebody else, another veteran in the mix? Or, and would you do that? Or would you, or stick with your Kobe? The schedule is a little softer up front and try to do the best you can until he comes back.


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[Assistant] But, uh, Tim Tebow has a more impressive playoff win than Baker Mayfield. And he's the worst quarterback I've ever seen in my life.


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[Assistant] That Browns are better because Sean Watson's here because Clowney, you know, again, if we take him in his word, I don't know who knows. He's not going to be here if Baker Mayfield was here.


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[Assistant] Yep. By the way, I just got a text. I just got a text to quell, uh, from, uh, what are you, I think he was one of your former teammates. I can't remember the timeline now. Uh, former Brown's wide receiver, Greg Little. Did you, you played with Greg Little, didn't you? Yeah, I played with


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[Assistant] About, you know, Jay thinks if the Browns don't win a Super Bowl with Deshaun Watson that the trade's a disaster. A failure. I believe when you have a great quarterback like Deshaun Watson or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen, if you don't win a Super Bowl, it's a disappointment.


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[Assistant] But if, if they win, if, if they're winning double-digit games every year, going deep in the playoffs a bunch of times, even go to a Super Bowl but somehow lose, I can't call that a bad trade. What say you on this?


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[Assistant] You know, you know what's amazing? It's like, I know we're in...


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[Assistant] You know, hopefully either the Bengals or Browns will win the Super Bowl. Because I am, as much as I love the Bengals for my whole life, I'm so invested in Deshaun Watson and the Browns, I'm dying for them to win it. I, because if the Browns win the Super Bowl, G and I are going to have a party to stick it to the Baker Bros. I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be the greatest party.


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[Assistant] Not, nobody ever said to me, well they don't have the draft picks, they don't have the draft picks, they don't have the draft picks. Now, yesterday I complained about it, and first of all, the Hawks got nothing in this. I mean, the Spurs get nothing in this deal. Now, the losers out there are gonna say, well they got three draft picks, blah blah blah. I don't give a crap. Draft picks are for losers.


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[Assistant] Dejante Murray almost averaged a triple-double last year. Uh, he's, somebody said, well, but he's an inefficient shooter. He almost averaged a triple-double and he led the league in steals. Inefficient shooter, his team sucked. Suck!


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[Assistant] These guys were complaining you had to give up too much, they gave up nothing. They gave up three draft picks. But okay, alright, they could make a trade. But here's what I'm really angry about. Not even about that. That Murray made another team in the East better than the Cavs, potentially. Yeaah, that stinks. But, but here's what I'm mad about.


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[Assistant] Cleveland is in my blood now, okay? I've been here long enough, alright? And let me talk to you, my fellow Clevelanders. And most of you are Baker bros also.


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[Assistant] This, this loser mentality. There's a loser mentality from a percentage of the fan base. The Baker Bros have a loser mentality. Because the loser mentality says...


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[Assistant] But we're pretty good, I don't want to mess with it. I have morons on Twitter yesterday saying, I don't want to trade for Dejante Murray, we don't need him.


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[Assistant] You don't need him. He's an all-star. What kind of idiot says they don't need an all-star? See, I was one of those idiots last year. I said the stupidest thing ever on the radio. I said I don't want LeBron James on this team. And then a week later I said, what the? What the? You know what is wrong with you? Nice save.


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[Assistant] I was banging the table for the Indians at the time to make some trade. I don't even remember what the trade was. And I got a million tweets. Don't mess with it. They're winning a million games. They have great chemistry. Yeah, because if one good player gets added to the team, it's going to F up the whole chemistry. Are you stupid?


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[Assistant] In the NBA, you say, well, they got three all-star caliber players. They do. But at the moment, and maybe Mobley will turn into one, I don't know what you think, Jason, they don't have the super elites, right? Jay, if that's your top three quarterbacks, you call them super elites, right?


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[Assistant] It's here. So, you always, this idea that we should stand packed because we're good is the stupidest thing ever. Even the best, the Dodgers are, have been one of the best franchises in baseball. What do they do this off season? They signed Freddie Freeman, the MVP of the World Series. That just cost them money. Did they just write? Right. So what? Well, it's easy. Who gives a crap?


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[Assistant] Yes. Agreed. Agreed. I just wouldn't say the trade's a disaster. I would, I'm not okay with the Browns not winning.


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[Assistant] That's the best thing real quick though. You guys keep bringing up these other teams. Those teams were starting over and building. The Cavs are past the starting over point. And one other bonus on the big three is not only are they really good, but they're also really likeable, which is a nice bonus. It is, but to your point,


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[Assistant] He deserves an upgrade over his talent. Like, he's a good, he's a good solid player. He's not a superstar. He's never gonna be a superstar. He's the kind of player Cleveland loves. No doubt about it, because he placed his heart on his sleeve. And that was huge. That was a clutch hit to go opposite field in that situation.


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[Assistant] Uh, I would have stuck with what's his name, the kid who pitched the 8th, who's like Duran. Duran.


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[Assistant] I can't explain why, I don't know why. If the Guardians are going to win this division, if they really don't, listen, the American League East has all the best teams outside of Houston, right? This division, in the central and the west, the Astros are the only good team.


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[Assistant] With every start. By the way, it's not crazy and they've done this before. They could be buyers and still trade Shane Bieber this season. They did it with Trevor Bauer. Oh yea, you could absolutely do that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Jay and I are together. My thought is, if the Guardians win, I think Bieber's gonna pitch well. If he pitches well, he should have eight strikeouts. Yeah, so you didn't hedge your bet. You're all in on it. Exactly.


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[Assistant] He's almost 32 years old. Mark Appel was drafted first overall by the Astros in, I believe, 2013, I think it was. It was 13. Right? He, this guy was so hype, he was taken ahead of Chris Bryant, I believe, in 2013. Uhm, this guy was supposed to be the next great pitcher.


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[Assistant] First of all, you show this on toxicity, so do you re- do you really like require a data set where you have like all these different people's opinions and so you can really do this fine grain selection?


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[Assistant] I love you too, Hector. Oh no, I'm just kidding. Uh, man, I tweeted something earlier and I feel this every single week we do the show. What? Superhero News website suck. So hard. Yeah. So hard. I saw you like some of my tweets. Yeah. They're frustrating. They're very frustrating. Yeah, I get that.


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[Assistant] Well, plus I think also like, you know, we have a lot of people who ask us to talk about certain topics or address rumors. Like we had someone who was like, please talk about the Rian Johnson not making a Star Wars trilogy.


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[Assistant] Exactly. It's like, just don't talk about it. It doesn't exist because it never was true in the first place. So why bother? Um, but we are going to talk about something that is true. Wait, do we have any housekeeping? Uh, oh.


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[Assistant] We are still doing- Lucas, are we still doing, uh, meandies?


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[Assistant] I will, I will figure it out. But, speaking of underwear, because we all need a fresh pair. I'm gonna need some soon. If you go to meandies.com slash hyper RPG or use the coupon code hyper RPG, you can get 15% at checkout on your first purchase. And what he's referring to, last week we said,


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[Assistant] That we were gonna give away a free pair of Chonies.


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[Assistant] Uh, Netflix has officially cancelled The Punisher and Jessica Jones, which means the Marvel Netflix universe of television is officially over. Uh, we are getting one more season of Jessica Jones in April, I believe.


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[Assistant] Daredevil had three, Luke Cage had two, Iron Fist had two, Defenders had one. Thirteen seasons of television in about four years-ish. Wow. Okay, that's a lot. It was a lot, yeaah. Uh, over 161 episodes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Kevin Feige has also talked about how, and obviously these sort of plans and discussions and comments that they make, they always end up changing, but he has said that because


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[Assistant] The first three phases of the Marvel Cinematic Universe have gone so big. Yes. You can't really do that again.


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[Assistant] Daredevil is very adult. Yes. It's very much geared more towards a more mature audience. And there was an interview with Alan Horn on the Hollywood Reporter and talking about


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[Assistant] Not only Disney properties, but everything that they're gonna, uh, get from 20th Century Fox. They obviously would never make a movie like Bohemian Rhapsody, and he talked about specifically because it features things like language, drug use, smoking, all that sort of stuff. So with these more adult-centric Netflix Marvel shows,


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[Assistant] What do you do? Do you put them on Disney Plus? But Disney Plus is also very much a reflection of the Disney brand. Then like, where do you put these? Do they go to Hulu? If you make a movie, do you let it sort of absorb more of the tone and the aesthetic of the general Marvel Cinematic Universe? It kind of would have to, if it were to exist as a movie. So, it's tough, but like,


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[Assistant] I'm not against the idea, and I only would want it done if they could really make it work without really stripping away what the Netflix show was. I think one of the best scenes in Daredevil was a scene between Daredevil and the Punisher on the roof, talking about their ideals. I still want that sort of good writing and that intensity.


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[Assistant] Exactly, I would still want that. If they were to make Marvel Cinematic- MCU, Marvel Studios movies, I want that. I can do with a little bit less of like the violence and the cursing and the sexual like stuff, but I would still want the impact of what those shows were to be on paper.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and like, I mean, even if you look at the progression of the Marvel movies, and it's a weird thing, but I definitely noticed that, especially with Civil War, they slowly started to go into more like, even, even having the word shit in a Marvel movie. Yeah.


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[Assistant] When I watched Civil War for the first time, I was like, I don't think they've ever used that sort of language in a Marvel movie before. Like, okay, they're going in a direction.


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[Assistant] Weird, is this gonna continue? And it sort of has continued here and there.


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[Assistant] But, but it's interesting to see like, okay, how far are they willing to sort of push that boundary? How far will they push it? How much resistance will they get from Disney? And at what point will Kevin Feige say like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, we can't be stale. At some point, we gotta do something that's different. Do you create a new label for that? Is it Marvel Studios?


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[Assistant] You know, subtitle, or is it just- Marvel Nights or something? Yeah, or is it just gonna be Marvel Studios Max? We're gonna give two movies for everyone. One movie will be dealing with more adult topics.


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[Assistant] And I really would like the Black Widow solo movie to be something like a John Wick movie. And John Wick is a very hard R, very hard R because it's very violent, but I feel like you can take the ideas and concepts


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[Assistant] of the fighting style, the gun style, how she, how like he clears. I think you can take that and you can say, okay, cool. How do we make this work with the MPAA? So it's PG-13.


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[Assistant] Because I still want to, like, I don't want to see Black Widow in a solo Black Widow movie fighting aliens. I want to see her being a spy. A super spy, not even a spy, a super spy.


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[Assistant] Exactly. That's what I wanna see. And like, if, if, if it's, if there's such a concern about it being PG-13 because they can't show this, that, or the other, then I'm like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I really wanna see how she meets Clint, how she gets recruited into SHIELD.


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[Assistant] And, or if it's, even if it's not that, I, but I just really want something that's different than what we've seen from Black Widow. I really liked, I really liked her in The Winter Soldier. I feel like that's the most she's really gone to shine as a character. And I would like to see more of that, but I really want to see sort of how it all came to be.


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[Assistant] Exactly, and I wouldn't want that anyway, because I feel like you get to that point, it's kind of like sometimes when they go back, you know, when they've done other movies based on these characters' origins, and it's like a prequel to another series of movies, you just start confusing the continuity and it's like so unnecessary.


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[Assistant] No. Yeah, he says no. He said it won't be. So it's not gonna be rated R, so. Well plus, the other thing too that he brought up that was, I think part of the same article was, you know, the future of the Marvel Universe, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, where are we gonna go from here? And he was very clear in saying, we're not gonna tell the audience, we're not gonna tell you guys anything.


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[Assistant] Because of the fact that, so Avengers obviously comes out the end of April, Spider-Man comes out the first week of July. Comic-Con is right after that.


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[Assistant] I don't doubt that this year's Marvel panel


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[Assistant] If they show up. If they show up, which I think they will, I think they're going to offer a lot. I think it's going to be the opportunity, depending on what happens in Endgame, it may be an opportunity to bring back the old players, to see some of them for the last time.


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[Assistant] Maybe. I wouldn't be surprised if they recapped the first three phases, talk about the impact, and then reveal, cool, these are the next four movies we're doing. And confirm that we are doing Black Widow, we are doing The Eternals, we are doing Doctor Strange and Black Panther. So, we'll see.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, this was something that I, I think a lot of people are sort of going to be torn about how they feel about this thing, but during all these interviews and these junkets for Captain Marvel, people are now obviously asking him things about


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[Assistant] People talking about how James Gunn is no longer involved, what that means for the movie.


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[Assistant] And there were some articles last year I think that came out that said that guns influence was going to be felt through the entire cosmic


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[Assistant] Universe of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It wasn't just gonna be about the Guardians, but sort of his tone and style.


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[Assistant] In terms of James Gunn and his contribution and involvement with Guardians, he says his influence, he's talking about James Gunn, James Gunn's influence was Guardians. It was his input on Guardians in the Avengers films, as you've seen in Infinity War, and on the Guardians 3 script, which we're still using, so he confirms that


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[Assistant] They will still use James Gunn's script for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3.


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[Assistant] You'll see the influence. And then he says, I think online sort of the notion of quote, architect across multiple cosmic things was slightly blown out of proportion. So he's basically saying that like,


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[Assistant] The James Gunn influence will still be felt in Guardians. We're still using his script.


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[Assistant] Right, because at that point you're assuming like, oh cool so James Gunn's gonna be like, the godfather of the cosmic universe? Right, like what exactly does that mean? He kind of is.


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[Assistant] I think they're having a really hard time figuring out what to do with it.


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, that was interesting. So that article with Alan Horn, he talks about that. And THR asked him, they said like, do you do background checks with your directors? And he's like, we don't. And the only, the only way he really, the only thing he really said to expand on that was like, just be careful what you say, cause it's out there. And I'm like, alright.


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[Assistant] He's like on that side of things. I mean, it happens to us. We're nobody.


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[Assistant] Oh shit, we gotta like start doing it. That's why when you look at somebody like Bob Iger, who's like, we need to make our own streaming platform too. Like we need to keep up with all these other companies that are advancing technologically and we need to embrace it. We need to bring other people on. Uhm, yeaah, so I think naturally that's kinda the way things happen.


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[Assistant] Exactly. That's how a lot of these movie studios are going to start potentially going if they don't keep up.


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[Assistant] They noted two specific incidents very, very recently. The first one being, uh, Brie Larson talking about how she wanted, she would hope, and she would want to see more diversity at the press junkets covering movies like Captain Marvel. Not just a bunch of straight white, or not just a bunch of white men.


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[Assistant] But seeing a lot more people of color, a lot of women, because


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[Assistant] Bringing more opportunity to the table is never a bad thing. And she even said there was an interview with a reporter that came out today where he asked her to


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[Assistant] I don't really know exactly what people were saying, but all I know what I meant to say or what I was saying was,


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[Assistant] You can't go interview Brie Larson for Captain Marvel. We need a black woman. We need a Hector Navarro. Hey, white guy, uh, can you maybe like...


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[Assistant] Make a seat for this, for, for Hector or for Augie or for this woman or this woman or like, that to me is very fair because if you do look at sort of the history of interviews and press junkets, you see a trend. Of course. You know, you see a trend. And unfortunately, I also feel like because of that trend, press junkets have kind of become boring.


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[Assistant] Like, the interviewers ask a lot of the same questions and I don't, and I think that's mostly because like we're not having enough different voices coming in and trying to ask something new. You know, we're always asking, like Ben Affleck didn't press junkie for all of his movies. Batman, Batman, Batman, Batman, Batman. Like, let's have someone else come in and ask another question.


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[Assistant] Now they're trying to gamify press junkets, and so like now we've gone from asking about and talking about the movies in the universe and the characters, but asking the same questions to not even talking about the movie and gamifying the whole thing, which I think is like fun for the cast at the same time.


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[Assistant] I would like to hear them talk about elements of the film and the character arcs and like the creative and technical aspects of it and not just...


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[Assistant] Are you looking forward to doing number two? Yeah. Let's play a game. Same questions over and over again.


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[Assistant] I used to engage with it a lot and I gave up and I'm like, you know what? I'm not gonna bother. It's a waste of my time. And I still have people who try to bait me into stuff all the time. And the first thing I do is I click on their profile and I see if they're following me. If they're not following me then I'm like, I don't need to bother. I'm not gonna waste my time with you. It's very rare, very rare that people who follow me


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[Assistant] I'm gonna be an asshole. And there was someone who came at me about the merger we were talking about a couple weeks ago. And somebody responded to that to like a tweet in the thread and was like, I can't believe you talked to someone like this. I'm like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I, I read a lot of YouTube comments, and I don't respond to all of them, but I try to go at least like, like them or heart them under hyper, and a lot of times I'll respond back as hyper, but I'll also go back and like respond as myself. Cause sometimes it's like, specifically asking like, one of us an opinion on something.


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[Assistant] You're right. And it's shifted a lot. I think in the last six months to a year, the comments have really changed on a lot of our videos. I think for the trailer stuff, sometimes it's hit and miss, but I would say it's mostly positive. But on all the episodes that we do, like I like going in there and like seeing what people say about certain topics. The only thing that drives me nuts.


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[Assistant] Is when people are like, why aren't you talking about this? Why aren't you talking about this? And I'm like, watch it from zero to one and you'll get the whole thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the end game Super Bowl spot. You guys are gonna talk about it, you're gonna react to it, I'm like, it was literally in last week's episode. Go!


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[Assistant] So on last week's video, we asked you guys to leave a comment on anything that we talked about and we would randomly pick a winner. I'm so excited for this person. The winner of our Mischonis giveaway is...


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[Assistant] Eric Santucci, who left a comment saying, agreed about Star Wars Trilogy's taking the Lord of the Rings production approach moving forward. That would be great. Uh, Eric, I will leave a comment on your comment, and then we'll get a hold of you, and give you your code. We'll get you that, we'll get you that code.


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[Assistant] Yep, yep, it's amazing. Did you find it? You found it. My man.


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[Assistant] That's on Twitch every single Wednesday at 7pm Twitch.tv slash hyper RPG. Uh, this weekend we're also doing a hyper drive, so check that out. We're doing stuff here all the time. We're premiering more shows in the coming future.


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[Assistant] In the meantime, subscribe to youtube.com slash hyper RPG, or just click the subscribe, make sure you hit that bell, and we'll see you guys in the next episode. Peace. Bye. Allora.


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[Assistant] We didn't take to him. Certainly bugger, you were. People stopped coming here. You ran into that.


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[Assistant] Following her from one tank town to the next, beating pugs with names like Piano Mover Jones, Sammy Slaughter, and Big Boy Hoag.


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[Assistant] But once he hit the big time, he stayed long past a fighter's usual span. A bebop version of Methuselah, spinning his legend with sports riders and knocking out opponents with impressive regularity.


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[Assistant] Here are the wonderfully rich, life and times of boxing's most ardent ambassador, Sir Archie Moore.


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[Assistant] On the edge of middle age, Archie Moore took on rugged light heavyweight Yvonne Durel, who at 29 was in the prime of his career.


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[Assistant] If Moore embellished certain episodes of his past, there was clear objective testimony about his account.


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[Assistant] Other evidence indicates Moore was born in 1913. Whatever time or place he arrived, it wasn't in the best of circumstances.


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[Assistant] When Archie was still a boy, his neatly defined world was shaken to its foundation.


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[Assistant] During his 22 months at Missouri's Booneville Reformatory, the teenager started what became a lifelong custom, writing letters.


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[Assistant] In one of his Aunt Willie, he announced he would become a boxer.


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[Assistant] In 1940, seven straight victories in Australia brought more recognition in the US. Then, in a wink, more than his career was at stake when an ulcer, followed by pneumonia, landed him in San Diego Community Hospital.


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[Assistant] Knowing that the big names fought in New York, Moore headed east.


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[Assistant] Translation, Moore would not get on the card at Madison Square Garden without establishing a tie to the criminal organization that controlled all boxing in New York.


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[Assistant] I didn't give a damn who I fought. But there was his boxing technique. Masterful, intelligent, but not flashy enough for the average fight fan.


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[Assistant] On his new manager's advice, Moore once again hit the road to get some fights. This time to Argentina in 1951, where he won over the press, the fight fans, and fascist dictator Juan Peron.


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[Assistant] More had good reason to go home. Awaiting him in New York was the offer of a shot at light heavyweight champ Joey Maxim.


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[Assistant] But to close the deal, Charlie Johnston had to give Maxim's manager, Doc Kerns, part ownership of Moore.


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[Assistant] St. Louis, December 17th, 1952. Archie Moore himself could not have scripted it better.


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[Assistant] After more than three decades without any contact, Moore traced his father through a private detective.


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[Assistant] And on the biggest night of Archie's boxing career, Thomas Wright sat at ringside. Next to him was Archie's mother Lorena.


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[Assistant] More finely reached Boxing's Mecca. Madison Square Garden.


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[Assistant] The dramatic manner in which Moore defended his title seduced Joan Hardy, a young New York model he had been pursuing.


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[Assistant] With his home life in order for perhaps the first time, More set about solidifying his championship. Just one barrier remained.


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[Assistant] Moore claimed he could best shed pounds with a rather bizarre diet he discovered down under.


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[Assistant] After four impressive title defenses, including two over Joey Maxim, More decided to pick a fight with heavyweight champ, Rocky Marciano.


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[Assistant] Convinced he could stop the 48-0 champ, More would get his chance.


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[Assistant] Later, at Cafe Bohemia in Greenwich Village, Moore strummed and thumped the bass fiddle deep into the night.


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[Assistant] If Jazz soothed Archie's soul, nothing killed his hunger to be heavyweight champ.


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[Assistant] On November 30th, 1956 in Chicago, the aging warhorse met Floyd Patterson, who at 21 was young enough to be his son.


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[Assistant] Since many of his fights were televised, Moore's fame grew well beyond the ring. After beating Durrell in 1958, Hollywood offered him the role of Jim, the runaway slave in the movie The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.


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[Assistant] With the movie's release in 1960, Moore was criticized in some quarters of the African American community.


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[Assistant] 1962, Moore fought a young brash heavyweight named Cassius Clay. The meeting in Los Angeles was a reunion.


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[Assistant] Moore had been Clay's Taskmaster at his training camp in San Diego.


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[Assistant] Moore was eager to give his former student a lesson in boxing and manners.


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[Assistant] In 1965, Moore launched a social program called Any Boy Can.


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[Assistant] Undaunted, Moore took on a high profile student in the early 70s. Heavyweight contender George Foreman.


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[Assistant] Three years after helping Foreman defeat Frazier in their first fight, Moore accepted an offer to coach Nigeria's national boxing team.


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[Assistant] If time had slowed him, the old mongoose could still move when necessary.


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[Assistant] So was Archie, a remarkably adaptable man, more eagerly met every new challenge.


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[Assistant] Even as the shadow of old age gathered, he could still respond with a clear-eyed mix of philosophy and pragmatism.


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[Assistant] When I'm finished, I want people to say only one thing of me. I want them to say, there goes a man. For ESPN Classic Sports Century, I'm Chris Fowler.


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[Assistant] And my auntie, Willie Pearl Moore, and her husband Cleveland Moore, adopted him.


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[Assistant] He was a Mack truck with no brakes. He was on a mission. That was his target. And he had been waiting for 15 years.


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[Assistant] His territory was from foul line to foul line, just stay out of his way. Fresco Thompson, the general manager for the Brooklyn Dodgers, said, Willie Mays's glove, where triples go to die. Wow.


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[Assistant] And said that the best center fielder played for the Giants.


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[Assistant] I'm covering home. He comes in, spikes high, starts to slide, then drops and slides around me, and says, I could have gotten you kid. Just remember that when you come high and inside.


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[Assistant] I'm not here to learn how to clean kitchens. I'm here to learn how to box. Archie said, well, we'll see about that.


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[Assistant] I remember sitting with him, uh, when Ali was fighting Ken Norton in San Diego and Archie came in with his beautiful wife and-


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[Assistant] His gorgeous daughters. And Ali looked at the daughters, and Archie said, don't even think it.


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[Assistant] We were playing a series in Cincinnati, real hot, and he was so exhausted that his home plate looked like he wanted to almost lay down. He almost collapsed. We put him in the hospital after the game. We were definitely concerned about his health.


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[Assistant] Chapter 20, 3rd Army Headquarters, Hirschfeld, Germany, April 17th, 1945. Morning.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I don't know if it's been long enough and you can say I don't know what you're talking about, and I'll understand, but are we safe to talk about the time that Vin Diesel smarted off to you and you had to kick his ass? Almost got taken off the movie?


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