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[Assistant] One of the first things Dr. Weber did was help expand the hospital's youth outreach programs.


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[Assistant] Almost from the start, concerns began to emerge. Tim Davis is the chairman of the Blackfeet Tribe.


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[Assistant] But in 1992, he worked in the hospital's facilities department.


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[Assistant] Part of his job was to inspect government-owned houses, including the one where Dr. Weber lived alone.


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[Assistant] Davis says he shared his concerns with Mariel and LaFramboise, who at the time didn't see it as cause for alarm.


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[Assistant] Others at the hospital were suspicious of Dr. Weber's intentions.


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[Assistant] Psychologist Dan Foster and his wife Becky, a mental health specialist, knew some of Dr. Weber's patients.


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[Assistant] They became increasingly uncomfortable with his after hours clinic.


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[Assistant] No child is known to have come forward with a specific allegation of abuse.


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[Assistant] But Becky Foster remembered one boy who she'd later had concerns about. Joe Fourhorns.


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[Assistant] He's now in prison for bank robbery but spoke to reporter Dan Frosch by phone.


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[Assistant] Joe says he never told anyone at the time what was happening during his visits with Dr. Weber.


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[Assistant] But on the reservation, the rumors and suspicions were growing.


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[Assistant] Dan Foster says he decided to confront Dr. Weber.


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[Assistant] Finally, after years of suspicion and rumor, there was an incident that couldn't be ignored.


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[Assistant] Involving a boy who'd been sleeping at the doctor's house.


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[Assistant] A Framboise reached out to the region's top IHS official, who summoned the hospital's acting clinical director, Randy Rotenbiller, to his office in Billings.


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[Assistant] The IHS would transfer Dr. Weber to its hospital on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota.


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[Assistant] But within months, a parent was already complaining that Dr. Weber had inappropriately examined a child.


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[Assistant] The IHS took him off clinical duties as federal authorities looked into it. They didn't substantiate the complaint and Dr. Weber went back to work. But as in Montana,


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[Assistant] Weber's interactions with boys continued to raise suspicions.


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[Assistant] The kids coming and going would earn a nickname around the reservation.


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[Assistant] One of the so-called Weber boys was named Paul. Like Joe Fourhorns in Montana, he is now in prison, serving time for assault.


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[Assistant] Weber would give him money or prescription drugs. Like the other boys, he kept his encounters a secret year after year.


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[Assistant] Tribal police officer Dan Hudspeth was called to the scene.


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[Assistant] As Hutzpeth took Paul to juvenile detention, he asked him what was going on.


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[Assistant] The authorities now had a first-hand allegation of ongoing sexual abuse by Weber.


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[Assistant] The tribal authorities don't have jurisdiction over non-Indians, so all Officer Hudspeth could do.


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[Assistant] was pass along Paul's allegations to federal investigators.


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[Assistant] And Paul says no one from the federal government followed up with him. He kept quiet about what had happened after that. At the IHS hospital,


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[Assistant] One of Weber's fellow pediatricians was developing his own concerns.


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[Assistant] In November 2006, Paul did something that made it harder to look the other way.


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[Assistant] Henry Red Cloud says he, Paul, and another friend were out drinking and looking for trouble, and then ran out of money.


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[Assistant] Dr. Weber made his way to the IHS hospital. Bill Puyer, the hospital's CEO, says security guards called him and said one of his doctors had been assaulted.


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[Assistant] Puyer says that he reported what happened to IHS's regional headquarters, but that his bosses never pursued the matter, and he was afraid to take it any further.


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[Assistant] Outraged, Dr. Butterbrook would become increasingly fixated on exposing Dr. Weber.


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[Assistant] Who'd had concerns about Weber's behavior on the Blackfeet reservation.


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[Assistant] In fact, years earlier, Dan Foster had heard Weber was working at Pine Ridge and contacted IHS leaders there to warn them.


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[Assistant] After the encounter, Dr. Butterbroot was more determined than ever that Weber had to go.


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[Assistant] He complained to state medical boards and officials at the IHS.


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[Assistant] And he believed he'd finally found proof in a list of patients Weber had ordered tests on.


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[Assistant] Dr. Weber was suspended while the allegations were investigated.


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[Assistant] Keats, who was one of Weber's superiors at the time, would soon leave the IHS under a cloud himself, and later be convicted of possession of child pornography.


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[Assistant] Weber was ultimately cleared and went back to work, according to Bill Puyer.


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[Assistant] In the summer of 2010 at the Pine Ridge Hospital.


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[Assistant] Dr. Weber and Dr. Butterbroot would clash over the care of a patient. Dr. Weber claimed he was threatened.


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[Assistant] The IHS sent Dr. Butterbrode to one of its most remote outposts.


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[Assistant] 575 miles away on the Canadian border.


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[Assistant] Months later, a new IHS chief medical officer arrived in the region.


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[Assistant] Rod Cooney determined that Dr. Butterbrook had been unfairly punished.


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[Assistant] Many of the officials who ran IHS during the years Dr. Weber was there declined to be interviewed. But reporter Chris Weaver tracked down Bob McSwain.


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[Assistant] He worked at the IHS for more than 40 years, including two stints as director.


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[Assistant] McSwain conceded the agency has long tolerated problem doctors like Weber.


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[Assistant] In the case of Dr. Weber, warnings continued to go unheeded for years.


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[Assistant] In 2011, one of them reached Winona Stabler, then the CEO of the Pine Ridge Hospital.


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[Assistant] She says a caller complained about Dr. Weber, but didn't provide her any specifics. The matter never went anywhere.


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[Assistant] Stabler later received a gift of $5,000 from Dr. Weber and would plead guilty to not reporting it on a government ethics form. She didn't respond to requests for comment.


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[Assistant] Then, one day in 2015, it all started to unravel.


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[Assistant] A tribal prosecutor recalled something Dr. Mark Butterbrod had told her years before.


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[Assistant] As in the past, it was hard to get anyone to talk.


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[Assistant] They began to look into the assault on Dr. Weber a decade earlier.


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[Assistant] After months of searching, she found a woman who said she knew the boys who'd done it.


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[Assistant] Federal investigators followed the trail the Tribal authorities had uncovered. It started with Paul's name and led to Dr. Weber's door.


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[Assistant] The years of accusations had finally caught up with Dr. Weber.


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[Assistant] In September 2018, more than two decades after he was forced off the Blackfeet Reservation,


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[Assistant] Dr. Weber arrived at the courthouse in Great Falls, Montana to stand trial. The first witness was Joe Forhortz.


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[Assistant] Recording was not allowed in the court. This is the trial testimony voiced by actors.


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[Assistant] Dr. Weber's attorney questioned why Joe had never spoken up before.


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[Assistant] The extent of the allegations against Dr. Weber would begin to emerge as the trial unfolded.


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[Assistant] With more men describing what they said he'd done to them as boys.


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[Assistant] Dr. Weber continued to shrug off the allegations.


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[Assistant] On the third day of the trial, the jury came back with its verdict.


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[Assistant] And later this year he's scheduled to go on trial in South Dakota for alleged abuses there.


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[Assistant] To date, no one else in the IHS has been held accountable.


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[Assistant] And many of the officials who oversaw Dr. Weber did not respond to requests for comment.


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[Assistant] But following questions from Frontline and the Wall Street Journal.


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[Assistant] The agency ordered an independent investigation of Weber's tenure.


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[Assistant] And asked to do the interview at the hospital on Pine Ridge, where Weber had worked.


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[Assistant] Rear Admiral Michael Wiecki has been leading the agency since 2017.


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[Assistant] Dr. Weber, now 70 years old, was sentenced to more than 18 years in prison.


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[Assistant] No one knows how many victims of Weber's abuse are still out there. Or how many other people in the Indian Health Service could have done more to stop him.


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[Assistant] We had been without a pediatrician for a while. So here comes Dr. Weber. And all I could think of is, he looks comfortable, huh?


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[Assistant] They were talking about, we want to do some things in the school. You know, we have some programs that would blend really well with middle school.


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[Assistant] The comments that were coming from maintenance about how there's a lot of traffic of young people in and out of Dr. Weber's, um, quarters.


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[Assistant] A teen clinic area, you know, by having evening clinics, being more user friendly to the community.


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[Assistant] I guess I have to blame the bureaucracy of Indian Health Service.


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[Assistant] But I have to say, it was on my watch that happened.


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[Assistant] I feel that, that the spirits are trying to talk to me. They whisper things to me.


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[Assistant] They are the spirits who founded your order and that the power of the Lords of Shadow is the key. They talk of a prophecy. I don't understand what they mean. I can feel myself fading. I can hardly see you.


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[Assistant] Make haste, my love. Reclaim the power before it is lost.


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[Assistant] You freed them all. You saved us all, my Gabriel.


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[Assistant] I see before me a man who has regained God's favor and who has my forgiveness.


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[Assistant] And the forgiveness of all the lost souls of this world. You have saved us all. And you have saved yourself.


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[Assistant] The mask is a powerful device. It allows us to see through God's eyes.


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[Assistant] It is too late for me my love. I cannot come back.


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[Assistant] has come to the same conclusion that the impact is negative and it's going to cost jobs.


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[Assistant] Tonight, following the Fall Guy, it's a honeymoon in Rio for Blake and Crystal on Dynasty.


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[Assistant] Then a teenager conspires to reunite her divorced parents on hotel. Roda Barrett is back with a week of special.


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[Assistant] Jaden, of course, we've been expecting you. I'm in a bit of a hurry. Do you mind tagging along? We can talk as we walk.


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[Assistant] Believe me, it's not always easy finding something to tell them. Fortunately, today we have some news. Have you met Lieutenant Blake yet? Yeah, we met this morning.


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[Assistant] To be frank with you, I could have done without the FBI on this one, but the press are all over this origami killer case.


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[Assistant] Crept up on us and it's fast becoming a national concern.


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[Assistant] All I'm asking is that you make progress. And fast. The press want a perpetrator. And we're gonna have to serve him up on a silver platter.


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[Assistant] Check in on the press conference if you're interested.


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[Assistant] It'll give you an idea of the political climate around here.


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[Assistant] You said it took six inches of rainfall before the victim died. How much time do we have left?


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[Assistant] Oh! Ha! Sorry. Didn't see you. Uh, what can I do you for?


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[Assistant] Hey, you're a pretty patient guy, you are. That car's been there for two years. We took it out for a drive every month and checked the tires and batteries, just like you said.


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[Assistant] Here, it's the third floor down. The service elevator is at the far end of the garage.


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[Assistant] Our guest today is on the cover of today's World Magazine this week, and has been hailed by the whole nation as a new hero for our times.


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[Assistant] Astonishingly, he almost single-handedly ended the sinister series of killings by the man known as the Origami Killer, and saved the life of young Sean Mars. His determination, courage, and intelligence have won our admiration. Norman Jayden!


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[Assistant] Hey guys, Markiplier here, in case you didn't know. I was gone. Yeah, I was gone to South Carolina, and it has been an a-


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[Assistant] Okay, here, here's the thing. I went down to, uhm, I went out into South Carolina, because I was filming with Cyndigo, I love to do that, I do that occasionally, I don't always say what I'm gonna do, go down there because, uh, we were working on this really cool prod- Wait. Wait, nope. COME ON! I'M NOT DOING IT!


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[Assistant] Okay, so anyway, uh, we're working on this really cool project that's kind of like,


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[Assistant] Hush hush, but if you were following me on Facebook and Twitter, and I highly recommend that you do to keep up with my daily life, like the whole hair extravaganza that went down, uhm, it was, we were working on this really cool project that a lot of you guys should know about anyway, uhm, so,


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[Assistant] Uh, Eastern Coast, uh, yesterday. And it caused all sorts of flights to get delayed. My flight got cancelled, delayed, reinstated, cancelled again. I got switched to another flight that was still delayed and then I couldn't make my connection flight. So I was like stuck in Charlotte.


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[Assistant] The cab doesn't show up for like an hour. It doesn't show up at all. It's an hour later. The cab doesn't show up. I've asked them repeatedly like, where's the cab? I'm-


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[Assistant] So I was just, like, so unbelievably aggravated. All I wanted to do was go to bed. I just wanted to go to bed in any way. So, FINALLY.


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[Assistant] After two hours, Sheraton decided that they would drive me with a shuttle to another hotel, and then I finally got to bed, and then I finally woke up, got in my plane, got in literally not. Fifteen minutes ago- Oh, there we go. Oh, no. Ah! What are you doing?


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[Assistant] Like, I don't- I've never had a job that I love as much as this one and I've never- I don't even consider it a job. It's more of just like a little hobby that I get to do for a living and- and just honestly, sincerely-


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[Assistant] Like, I would be nowhere without you and your support just means absolutely the world to me and I-I just want you guys to know that every single time I'm so unbelievably grateful for everything that you've done for me and


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[Assistant] Given me these opportunities to be stuck in different places, so, just, sincerely, thank you guys so much for, uh, everything, everything that you guys-


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[Assistant] I don't have much else for substance in this vlog, besides my little rant about what happened in explanation, but, um, there's more cool stuff on the way. I'm actually leaving again on Wednesday to go to LA to work with some people. Eh. Eh.


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[Assistant] Not to do with the Deadliest Warriors thing, actually something completely different. I hope you liked that Deadliest Warriors video. I had a lot of fun making that. It took way longer than it should've for an announcement video, but that's the kind of stuff that I really like to do. I love to make really creative, stupid things. For the most random of reasons. So, uh, I mean that's-


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[Assistant] Another reason why I'm so grateful I get to be creative and be myself around you guys, so.


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[Assistant] Just, thank you guys so much for everything. I'm gonna go eat, I'm gonna go relax, and then I'm gonna go write recording. I'm gonna see if Wade's available for more Seven Days to Die. I got other games that I wanna play for you guys. Uhm, more to come, just sincerely thank you. And my hair is a mess, I know.


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[Assistant] Apparently, my hair can cause mass hysteria in the entire world. It's getting a little long. I don't know. Should I cut it or should I keep it out? I don't know.


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[Assistant] I'm making sure I don't get caught with a firefly in my room. Relax. There are no soldiers on the entire floor.


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[Assistant] Are we cool? Are we cool? I disappeared and you're mad. And I owe you an explanation.


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[Assistant] Ellie, that was the first thing I asked my mom. She wants you safe at that stupid school.


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[Assistant] Roar, Ellie. Really? Fucking roar!


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[Assistant] Use this to move. There's your punch, there's your kick, and you block with this. Okay. First, you have to choose your character. You're playing as the unstoppable, claw-wielding, yet drop-dead gorgeous, Angel Knives.


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[Assistant] The music kicks up as he gets into his fighting stance. You ready? Bring it.


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[Assistant] The guys with the blood covers the entire playing field. Oh nice! That is an ultra kill. Angel Knives throws her fists in the air. You win. Fuck yeah I win! Not bad for your first game. So?


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[Assistant] Boston. I'm supposed to join a group in another city. I argued with them to stay here, but you know how Marlene is. Nothing's easy with her, everything's a test.


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[Assistant] What do you want me to say? I don't know, how about some friendly advice? I'm serious. Why did you bring me here?


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[Assistant] I wanted to see you. No, why did you bring me here?


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[Assistant] I'm supposed to be holed up on the other side of town. I get caught as a firefly, I'm dead.


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[Assistant] Guilt didn't make me cross a city full of soldiers, Ellie.


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[Assistant] I nearly got shot for these. Surprise.


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[Assistant] You really even hate me. You're drenched. Okay, you count to five, I'll go hide and we'll hunt each other. Whoever gets it first, loses. Fine.


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[Assistant] You still like that Walkman around? Always. Let me see it.


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[Assistant] What's in it? That tape you gave me.


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[Assistant] There are a million ways we should have died before today. And a million ways we can die before tomorrow.


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[Assistant] But we fight for every second we get to spend with each other.


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[Assistant] At the singer's Coachella or Beychella performance from last year, as well as providing a glimpse into her life as a mom. I love that. Including details on her difficult pregnancy with twins, Sir and Rumi. Beyonce, who also surprised her fans by dropping a new live album. Oh, yes. Revealed in the field. The cover is stunning. Stunning. I know, I know.


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[Assistant] Uh, revealed in the film that it took her eight months to train for Coachella and to get in Coachella shape. Beyonce ate, you guys get this, no carbs, no sugar, no dairy, no meat, no fish, and drank no alcohol.


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[Assistant] But to know, you know, like she had to work hard. She said eight months to look like how she did at Coachella and girl you look.


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[Assistant] Talk to me. That way I'll know if you pass out.


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[Assistant] So I made this beat with the guitar player of Good Charlotte, Billy. Shoutout Billy. Good Charlotte. Fuckin' emo rap takeover.


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[Assistant] What's up, YouTubers? It's me, Jake Paul. Chris is out there helping out this woman.


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[Assistant] I don't know. But speaking of white people things, I did yesterday the most suburban white people thing ever.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, we gotta guess what it is. Alright. Nah, there's no way, I don't see how you'd possibly guess, but. Water to grass.


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[Assistant] That's the dog park. You went to a dog park. But this is, no. What we did, so in Ro- you know, the town pool, right?


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[Assistant] Closes. Yesterday was the last day of the town pool. On the last day of the town pool, which was yesterday, it's dog swim day.


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[Assistant] Steve or no? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There he is, Crashy. Yeah, Crashy. Crash Davis. Yeah, and he, and like, the cool part about it is, like, well he's got the, like the, you can see the dalmatian, it's hard to see in this picture. He's got spots? He's got like the dalmatian, one of his paws, the only one that's hidden in this picture, is like a dalmatian. It's like, that's pretty cool. Yeah, it is cool.


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[Assistant] On today's show, guys, we've got the return.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah, we talked about it. There's going to be a lot of trash talking. Uh, Leroy will join us at 1130. We'll get a couple of questions in and he'll be done by 1250.


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[Assistant] So we got plenty to preview. We'll spend most of the show obviously talking about the Browns and Bengals, including a really interesting matchup between the Bengals D-line and the Browns O-line.


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[Assistant] Uh, so a lot to get through today. We'll hit on Terry Francona who finally fully admitted yesterday that he's retiring at the end of the season. And so we'll get to that later.


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[Assistant] So there you go, a lot to get through today. Mike, start us off.


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[Assistant] Alright, Mike, hit us with our first topic. You hit us, hit us with it.


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[Assistant] I think it's a really tough call, guys, because both units are very strong.


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[Assistant] I think the Browns offensive line gets more recognition than the Bengals defensive line gets. Yea. I actually, the thing that the Bengals offensive, defensive line doesn't have


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[Assistant] Is, they don't have a, a, um, you know, a superstar on the end.


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[Assistant] But, I think Trey Hendrickson is just in that next group.


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[Assistant] He is very underrated and very productive. Outside of the big sexy names, including Myles Garrett, that top group of four, five, six guys, I think he's in that next group. Sam Hubbard's


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[Assistant] Buckeye, of course. A very solid player on the other end. And the Bengals are very stout in the middle. DJ Reader's probably a top five defensive tackle. Easily. And BJ Hill's very underrated. They have good depth throughout. Uhm, you know, they cut a couple of defensive linemen that I thought were decent players. So,


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[Assistant] I would say, now, on the other hand, the Browns offensive line is healthy now. Now that, that problem for their offensive line has been staying healthy.


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[Assistant] I do, we've talked about this. I'm a little concerned about the Browns tackle play. I'm not concerned in the interior, but I am a little concerned in the tackle play. I'm gonna give the Bengals a slight edge in this matchup. I think it's as close to even as it can get. I would go like 52-48 Bengals D line, but I think it's very close.


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[Assistant] If the Browns can't, offensive line can't get to that second level, and you leave those linebackers, they've got two, you know, top 15 linebackers, top 10 maybe even.


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[Assistant] If you leave, if those guys, if offensive linemen can't get to them, that's a problem.


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[Assistant] Was he? Was he or was he? I felt like he was on track for it and then he got hurt. But I can't remember if he... I know he grated off women.


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[Assistant] Did you guys see the picture of J.C. Treader at Brown's? Tiny. He looks like the 150 pounds. They all do that.


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[Assistant] Every officer. Except me. Some of them get fat. Yeaah. Some of them get like, like, uh, what's his name from the Jets? Who's on the ESPN? He gave more weight. Oh! Damian Woodie. Damian Woodie. No, I thought you played Jarell Reese.


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[Assistant] I would, it's funny, I give the edge to the Bengals defensive line.


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[Assistant] And yet if you asked me which was more likely to be dominant or at least look dominant watching it on TV, I would say the Browns offensive line.


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[Assistant] By the way, uh, one, you mentioned Baker Mayfield, it reminded me, last night, real quick story, very quick, uhm, we, I'm in this keeper league for fantasy football, it's an auction, blah blah blah. You gotta start two quarterbacks. This one guy in the league, his two starting quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Baker Mayfield and Ryan Tannehill. That's crazy. That's disgusting. I'm gonna do a fast read because that is so disgusting. He's got no shot. No shot. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] It's very close. Before we get, real quick before we get to the Browns receivers against the Bengals secondary.


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[Assistant] Uhm, trap, you mentioned tomorrow night's the first game of the season, the Lions, jeez. That line...


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[Assistant] Now, my guess is it's Travis Kelsey. He's gonna, I mean, he got, remember he got hurt his rookie year missed the whole season. I don't think he's, he's, he's not missed a game due to injury since. I think he missed a game because of COVID or whatever, but he's never missed a game since his rookie year due to injury. But that's going to be an interesting one if he doesn't play or whatever.


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[Assistant] We all thought it was close on the line and we all gave a slight edge to the Bengals D-line. We all think it's close wide receiver versus secondary and I'm with these guys. I'm also giving a slight edge to the Browns offensive line here. Now, I think the Bengals...


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[Assistant] What'd I say? Offensive line. I'm sorry. Browse receivers. Yeah. Uh, I, I, eh, one of the things you mentioned, Chita Bayouzie is the Bengals' top corner. He is coming off a serious injury. He was having his best season last year before he got hurt. He was having a Pro Bowl caliber season. He got hurt. You know, playing your first game, that's tricky coming off a knee injury.


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[Assistant] So I got, yeaah, I gotta give, I gotta give Amari Cooper the edge there, uh, no doubt. Now, I think, it's, you know, this is gonna be one of the toughest tests for Elijah Moore, cause Mike Hilton's one of the best corner, slot corners in the league. There's no doubt it. I like Cam Taylor-Britt, I don't think you like the Bengals young guys as much as I do. I don't have a problem with them.


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[Assistant] They got two other, they got their first round pick this year, Jordan Battle is a safety, but he's been banged up in camp.


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[Assistant] You know, stood out, uh, kind of the way, uhm, oh my God, I just forgot his name.


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[Assistant] Ronnie Hickman did for the Browns. This guy could, stood out for the Bengals in camp. So it's an interesting group.


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[Assistant] But, I'm always about, you gotta prove it. The Bengals secondary has to prove it. They've got some, you know, Mike Hilton, Cheetah Bay, and Wuzier are proving it. But he's coming off an injury. And so the only short thing we've won for the Bengals in the secondary is Mike Hilton. So I gotta go with the Browns.


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[Assistant] But I think he's going to be a little hesitant to Blitz. Uh... Michael? Everybody.


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[Assistant] So, whoever finishes Dead Last is gonna have to make a music video in which the rest of us pick the song they have to sing.


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[Assistant] There's been excitement the last few years, but this is crazy now. Everybody's all in on Watson. They, they surround, the talent across the board is really good. As much talent as the Browns have had. Is it playoffs or bust for the Cleveland Browns this year? In your mind.


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[Assistant] How concerned are you about the depth behind Nick Chuk? Cause we know how great he is.


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, last year, I don't know if you remember this, Leroy, but, so the Bengals and Browns are the second time they played last year. The game the Bengals won.


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[Assistant] What's it called? Uh, Tyler Boyd was out for the game. And on one of the first plays of the game, T. Higgins got hurt.


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[Assistant] And was out for the rest of the game. After the game, their defensive back coach, the Brown's defensive backs coach said, yeah, it really affected us negatively that T Higgins got hurt because we were prepared to face him. Which we thought was one of the dumbest things ever. Do you remember him saying that?


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[Assistant] Leroy, uhm, Tyvis referenced the Bengals offensive line being better. It's better because they signed Orlando Brown Jr. to play left tackle. Of course he played with his dad. Talk to us about his dad, of course, and how well do you know Orlando Brown Jr.? I mean, I'm sure you knew him when he was a kid, but...


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[Assistant] Mikey McNuggets, last question for Leroy.


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[Assistant] Let your friends know out there. If they don't know about this show, they're crazy. Uh, all the best sports fans in Cleveland watch this show because they're the smartest sports fans in Cleveland. They know where the best sports talk is happening and it's on this show and we don't waste your time with the, you know, 80 minute commercial breaks.


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[Assistant] That's what you better say. Well, speaking of which, by the way, I don't know if you've spoken to Denzel, I'm assuming no, you haven't. Do you think he's gonna play? I hope he does.


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[Assistant] By the way, funny line, before we get, I want to get back to Ward here in a second, but funny line from Trevor Lawrence. He was asked what a successful season would look like for the number one overall pick, Bryce, pick, Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] Okay, so the fact that he, even if he does limited practice today, and he's still on track to play again, it's not like he's coming off a muscle injury or something like that. It's concussion, if he's clear, I don't see why he wouldn't play.


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[Assistant] That you were concerned about injury wise, right? I mean, we talked about that, you know, show the linebacker depth chart there for a second.


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[Assistant] Training Young. N-I-A-O Young. Let's move on from the depth chart to 32 for 32. It's our last one.


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[Assistant] I, listen, you know, I may be 50, okay? But I grew up in New York City! 52.


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[Assistant] It is, gee, it's stunning to me, and Tyrus is right, but I hadn't really thought about it until you said that, and it's mind-blowing.


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[Assistant] Kiki Mingo. Isn't that amazing? He is right. He is the best defensive player in the history of this franchise and we still feel like he can be better. Maybe we're crazy, I don't know.


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[Assistant] The three problems for Miles Garrett have been scheme, tallying around him,


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[Assistant] It's the best coach they've had, not even close. If he stays fully healthy this year,


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[Assistant] By the way, you guys are banned from using that chart until you fix it.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, uh, real quick before, because I wanna switch to top 5 here in just a second, but I got a quick thing to throw at you. Top 5, top 5, top 5, top 5. This is a quick thing. What is your rule?


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[Assistant] Five seconds. What is your rule if you're walking into a building?


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[Assistant] What do people say to you most on the street? Like when people see you, what do they most often say to you?


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[Assistant] I love that fans, when they see us on the street, think we have some secret information that we're not putting out there.


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[Assistant] When people say like, and you, I know you get this, when people say to me like, man,


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[Assistant] I don't think this is actually serious.


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[Assistant] What does he consider turnover luck? Is there, like, specific? Like, cause, think about this.


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[Assistant] Right, or even the first play you talked about, the quarterback makes a bad throw and the DB drops it, it's more that the quarterback got lucky rather than the DB got unlucky.


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[Assistant] Is not bad luck for the D- I mean it is, but you know what I'm saying? Like it's- That's skill. There is skill there. Some DBs have better hands than others, so that-


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[Assistant] Well, it's not even just a couple of years, to your point, like, the Browns, I don't know, who was the last Browns quarterback that was routinely calling audibles?


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[Assistant] Yeah, even that's a long time ago. The Browns have had nothing but crappy quarterbacks. Baker was okay. Every other quarterback they've had is garbage. And Baker wasn't good enough.


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[Assistant] The people that like hold the cards, or the people that run up to Tyvis and squirt water in his mouth.


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[Assistant] Take the points is the dumbest refrain that anybody does. Fact. It's a stupid, I can't believe how many people say it. The idea that, like, first of all that the field goal is guaranteed, like, is crazy. Thank you. By the way, you need three field goals to outscore a touchdown, you know, well, but that's assuming.


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[Assistant] That's right. But also, Mikey is wrong on this one because as Tyvis said, he was extremely aggressive last year. I don't know how he can be any more aggressive. I don't think-


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[Assistant] Yeah, 42 attempts. So they converted over, just overhead. 23 or 42, a little more. I don't know, percentage wise, I don't think they were near. They were probably mid, uh, success wise.


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[Assistant] 8, I had an 8 something. 8-17, but he missed the game, didn't he? He did miss the game, yea.


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[Assistant] So wha- you think he's gonna- I mean, if he doesn't miss a game, he's not gonna have less snaps because-


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[Assistant] I don't think it'll be a noticeable difference, in my opinion, but we'll see.


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[Assistant] So how many, how many, uh, what percentage of plays do you expect nobody in the backfield, Mike? Because last I checked, Deshaun Watson played, let's see, his best running back in Houston was, oh yea, Scrubby McScrubberton.


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[Assistant] Mikey, good list man, you led to some good conversation over here.


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[Assistant] What he, uh, yeah, what he's doing. First of all, let me just talk about the team for a second, because they lost again to the twins.


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[Assistant] There are seven games out of first, eleven games out of the wild card, the season's over. This is going to be Terry Francona's worst season as a manager since he was with the Phillies in the 90s. So, the worst, the worst, the worst,


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[Assistant] Guardians have ever been with Terry Francona where it's 80 and 82 a few years ago. They're not winning 80 games this year. They got, uh, let's see, 139. You got 23 games left. They'd have to go 14 and 9 to win 80. And they're not going for it. No, I think I'm wrong. I think my math is wrong there. 130.


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[Assistant] I want a profit margin. But, while I agree with you, and I'm as down on the Guardians as I've been in it, this is, since 2012, before Frank Cota took over, when they lost like 90 games that year, they were horrible, since then, this is the most down I've ever been on the team. And you're right,


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[Assistant] Mostly what you said. But, I'll go even further, G. The front office deserves criticism too. Because there are other...


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[Assistant] Like the Tampa Bay Rays, their, their ownership doesn't spend any money either. And they're still good this year. The last couple of years, now they got, last year was an anomaly.


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[Assistant] Yes they've got some good young talented pitching, but they've got very little else. Their lineup is awful. Awful. Jose Ramirez is in a bad second half. Andres Jimenez has been a disaster in his first year on his big contract.


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[Assistant] And uh, listen, I think we've learned that the big dollar contracts for 30 year old players are bad. And so the Guardian shouldn't go crazy spending like that.


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[Assistant] But you need to spend on 20 year olds. You need, even if it's short term deals.


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[Assistant] And Gabriel Arias has done a nice job doing it, but it's not enough to do it for a month. You gotta do it for a full season. And they have, their lineup is horrible. Horrible.


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[Assistant] We wanted him last year. I said I wanted Sean Murphy. I said I wanted Bryan Reynolds. Remember before the year I said the Cubs ended up doing this. I said the Guardians should sign Cody Bellinger for one year. He's been great.


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[Assistant] Right. Those guys aren't on 10-year contracts yet. Well, Matt Olson's on a long contract, but they resigned him of it. But you know what? Even if you hadn't, so you'd had him for a couple years, okay. Like, you can't...


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[Assistant] But he's had a great second half with Miami and he may now opt out of his contract maybe and if he does then they got screwed in that trade.


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[Assistant] And by the way, to compare them to the Rays again, because they're similar organizations, the Rays have to keep winning.


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[Assistant] In the American Lee East, which is the best division in baseball. Right. The Guardians are in the worst division in baseball, by far.


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[Assistant] By far, like early in the year we were saying NL Central, AL Central, but now the Brewers are 15 games over 500, the Cubs are 11 games over 500, and even the Reds are like 4 or 5 games over 500.


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[Assistant] And, do you think that, do you think that's lulled them to sleep a little bit? At 100%. I think it's, I think it's played a big factor. They're like, well Detroit stinks, Kansas City stinks, the White Sox are a disaster, we only have to compete with the twins, uh, we can't spend a ton of money anyway, so why should we go crazy? I think they've gotten lazy. Yes.


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[Assistant] There it is. That's it for today's show. The three of us will be back tomorrow. Coming up in overtime, fan questions, Mikey.


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[Assistant] And everything that she knows in life.


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[Assistant] Just one thing you need to know about Nancy. Nancy is more De La Sandro than she is Pelosi. And she's always her father's daughter.


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[Assistant] That was what we were about. It was about taking the majority and winning.


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[Assistant] I said, to do this, I'm gonna have to push in a way that is gonna ruffle a lot of people. She goes, that's why I'm selecting you.


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[Assistant] Everybody was trying to pinch themselves or get the cobwebs out of their eyes. What'd you say?


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[Assistant] Obama believed that if you were going to do healthcare, which was a major social policy, it was better to have bipartisanship for its legitimacy.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty confident I'm speaking to the President from the White House perspective. It would not have been a bill with the President's signature if Nancy Pelosi wasn't the Speaker of the House.


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[Assistant] Please, Madison. Leave. Forget everything that's happened. There is nothing more you can do for me.


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[Assistant] I was supposed to kill him to save Sean.


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[Assistant] I, I'm not dead. I took the poison an hour ago and-


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[Assistant] But it was the love of a good man, Mackenzie Corey, that turned her life around. It was a sad time when Rachel's husband died. It was an even sadder time for me. I lost my dear friend, Douglas Watson.


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[Assistant] Man. Sorry. I'm a bit jumpy lately.


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[Assistant] Doesn't work like that, Tess. The hell it doesn't. I paid for those guns. You want them back? You're gonna have to earn them.


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[Assistant] I need something smuggled out of the city. You do that? I'll give you your guns back, then some.


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[Assistant] Hello. Soldiers. That's the way out. The door under the bridge.


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[Assistant] Well then I'm staying. Ellie, we won't get another shot at this.


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[Assistant] There's a crew of fireflies that'll meet you at the Capitol building. That's not exactly close. You're capable. You hand her off, come back, the weapons are yours. Double what Robert sold me.


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[Assistant] You'll follow me. You can verify the weapons. I can get patched up. But she's not crossing to that part of town. I want Joel to watch over her.


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[Assistant] How do you know them? I was close with his brother Tommy. Said if I was ever in a jam I could rely on him.


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[Assistant] He left you two.


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[Assistant] This is Ramirez at Sector 12, requesting pickup for three stragglers. Understood.


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[Assistant] I lost most of my crew cross in the country. I pretty much lost everything.


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[Assistant] And then you show up and somehow we find you just in time to save her.


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[Assistant] The doctors tell me the cordyceps, the growth inside her, has somehow mutated. It's why she's immune.


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[Assistant] Once they remove it, they'll be able to reverse engineer a vaccine.


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[Assistant] But whatever it is you think you're going through right now is nothing to what I have been through. I knew her since she was born. I promised her mother I would look after her.


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[Assistant] Because this isn't about me, or even her. There is no other choice here.


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[Assistant] March him out of here. He tries anything, shoot him.


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[Assistant] You can't save her. Even if you get her outta here, then what? How long before she's torn to pieces by a pack of clickers? That is if she hasn't been raped and murdered first.


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[Assistant] If you wanna score, man, you gotta fucking call first. Come on. Beat it.


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[Assistant] Fuck! Are you deaf or what? I should get out of here! You're gonna cause me trouble. And I don't like trouble. Fuck! Off!


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[Assistant] Half hour ago, you went back to the wharf. He's there now.


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[Assistant] So you don't know where they are and you're just gonna drag him across the country to find him? I tell you what, how bad I worry about my brother, you worry about your girl.


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[Assistant] On Thursday, late afternoon, they go to Nancy Pelosi's office.


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[Assistant] And there's a meeting of the senior legislators from both parties in both House and Senate.


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[Assistant] Madam Speaker, Mr. Vice President, members of Congress,


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[Assistant] What is required now is for this country to pull together, confront boldly the challenges we face, and take responsibility for our future once more.


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[Assistant] We can no longer afford to put healthcare reform on hold. We can't afford to do it.


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[Assistant] What are you delivering? That little brat.


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[Assistant] I got the safe house. More of an armory.


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[Assistant] Well, here we are. You don't touch anything. Can you close the door?


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[Assistant] Let's gear up. Uh-uh. What?


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[Assistant] Once upon a time, I had somebody that I cared about.


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[Assistant] Partner. Somebody I had to look after.


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[Assistant] And in this world, that sort of shit's good for one thing. Getting you killed. So you know what I did? I wiseened the fuck up. And I realized it's gotta be just me.


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[Assistant] It is just like that. Hey! What'd I say to you when we walked down the steps? What'd I say? I'm just fixing your stupid pile. Don't. Touch.


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[Assistant] You keep babysitting long enough and eventually it's gonna blow up in your face.


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[Assistant] Well that was easier than I thought it'd be. They must be holed up somewhere else.


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[Assistant] That's prank. He was my partner.


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[Assistant] Batteries drain, but cells are alive.


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[Assistant] Meaning? Meaning, we push it, get it started, the alternator will recharge the battery.


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[Assistant] Look, you wanted a plan B, this is as good as it gets.


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[Assistant] Here. What's this? You'd be amazed at how many cars still got gas in them.


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[Assistant] We square. We're square. And get the fuck out of my town.


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[Assistant] John. He said his name was John. Friend of Paco's. Always let him straight up.


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[Assistant] He hit me up, I was like, better, like, I like some of the stuff you do, and he just like, let's link up.


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[Assistant] That just shows you that the elf magic is, is, it's alive and well, boo.


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[Assistant] They got some dumb- remember, remember they was like, somebody was trying to wear like, pink for the whole year? For, for, cause his mom got- Oh yea, cause his mom-


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[Assistant] He was like, but you do it in October. Yeah. Can you like do it? No. You do it their way or no?


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[Assistant] Uhm, like, uh, you played Stephen Jackson for the Rams. Oh, he was.


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[Assistant] I don't know, he gets all the credit in the world. He's a smart guy.


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[Assistant] So, I, I think this is, I think this is, uh, this is a little deep, more devious than that. I've always said it. Listen, uhm, Kevin Stefanski.


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[Assistant] Is getting graded on wins and losses. Right? That's what he's gonna be graded on. Andrew Baird is gonna be graded on his draft.


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[Assistant] If the draft is a higher priority than free agency and trades, we understand that you're doing a good job of free agency and trades, but once the Cade York domino fell, that meant that, oh, that was a big domino.


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[Assistant] Fourth round pick you missed on a kicker. First of all, some people don't even take kickers. You missed on that pick. And then we had to pay a seventh round pick to replace the kicker. So people look at it like, oh wow, you done messed it up twice. You done messed that up. You got rid of Anthony Schwartz, which was a pick. You had Perryon Winfrey. Perryon Winfrey was a wasted pick.


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[Assistant] So, uh, they got, D.P.J. was in there. Okay, that's a very excellent pick for the round you got him at. So D.P.J., and you got, uh, Grant Delpit.


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[Assistant] So you, so you busted on Jedrick Wills, Jordan Elliott, Jacob Phillips, Harrison Bryan is okay?


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[Assistant] No, we're good. It's fun. So, so it's 22. Who is this? Martin Emerson. Great pick. Take round three, pick 68. That's his best pick.


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[Assistant] Alex Wright, round three. Haven't, we don't know. We don't know he's hurt. Season. David Bell, number 99.


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[Assistant] And I gotta go 99 because that, you know how many, like that, he got picked a bunch of, of, of, not a guy. Top of 100. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh


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[Assistant] Uh, Kate York, round four. Disaster.


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[Assistant] Jerome Ford, have not seen him. Michael Woods, injured. Still don't know. Uh, Isaiah Thomas, cut.


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[Assistant] His trades is crazy. Because he's made some good trades. He got Amari Cooper for free. Zedaria Smith for free.


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[Assistant] I can see why he did it because he drafted him. Okay, whatever. Uhm, you know, at that end, hopefully you don't need Jordanelli to make you any plays and hopefully they think that they got more depth than in Shelby Harris and some of those other guys. Now the David Bell situation with Austin Watkins is a very tenuous one. Like, it's like to me, Watkins proved what he could do.


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[Assistant] I think he showed me something. And once again, it comes down to David Bell being the third round draft pick. You can't tell me that that does not factor in the back of your mind that you already cut Schwartz. You already had to get rid of Kate York. There's no way in heck that you're going to cut this guy. Because if you're a third round pick, doesn't he still have some guaranteed money this year? Or does he have a cat pick with that?


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[Assistant] And you're cuttin' guys who have cat bits?


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[Assistant] That's frowned upon. So he was like, okay, well I'ma just keep Bell and move on from Watkins if it's even close. That's why if you're a rook, if you're an undrafted dude, you gotta kill Kill. And to be honest with you, Watkins had an opportunity in the last game. He didn't do much.


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[Assistant] I think if Nick Chubb goes down, they're just gonna go right to the, to the-


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[Assistant] I think the biggest move that we ain't talked about and, and, and I think it changed a lot of things on his roster is the fact that we had Marquise Goodwin out and he is practicing and is back on his roster.


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[Assistant] He be trying to get a piece of that tackle so tough. Hey, pad the stats. I was there. I was there. Cause the PFF looks at things like that. I was, eh, listen, yeaah, no. None of these guys are overleaved. Yeaah, none of them.


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[Assistant] What a name, D'Anthony Relic? That sounds like a creative player. That's a much made up name right there. D'Anthony Relic. Where you going? Real!


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[Assistant] I'ma go D-Aura. D-Aura is, uh, I'ma go, uh, that's, that's made up. So two fakes and a real? The answer?


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[Assistant] That's a common name, I'd rather play the opposite.


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[Assistant] Two S. Double S. Uh, I'mma say this is uh. Running back. I'mma say this is real. I'm gonna fake.


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[Assistant] This sound like a long snapper.


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[Assistant] So, he, Zedaria Smith is, uh, is obviously a great upgrade. Obviously he's gonna be important. Uhm, we saw what he could do a little bit in the Kansas City Chiefs game. My thing is this.


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[Assistant] So you expect. Nine or better. Nine or better from Zedaria Smith. Uhm.


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[Assistant] If you look, see no one wants to look at it like this. If you go, if you go, like if you look at a triumvirate of guys. So you want to look at a pass catcher, a running back, and a quarterback, right? So if you got the pass, if you got the quarterback and you say Deshaun is back to a top five type guy.


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[Assistant] Then you look, you look to receiver, the, you, you could argue that, uh, Mark Cooper is a top 10-ish, 11-ish top receiver.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb is, when you say you the best at your position, let's just get the position out the way. Like when, there is a, Nick Chubb is an offensive force. He averages 5.3 a carry, right? That's ridiculous. You can't tackle him, right? That's ridiculous. The first guy is missing, the second guy might get ran over.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb can catch the football. Nick Chubb is hard to tackle, period, point blank. And if you've got Deshaun Watson, who's a top five quarterback, who's throwing the ball, putting the ball on the money, when the game is in the balance,


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[Assistant] The Browns are the only team that can say we have a top five quarterback and a top five running back that can get the job done. If you say who do you want Brock Purdy and Christian McCaffrey or John Watson and Nick Chubb, give me Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] The Eagles don't gotta run a game like that. The Browns are the only team that's lined up that can say, listen,


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[Assistant] Defense events don't make enough of an impact on every single play. When you got a guy that can take the ball and score, like, that's why there's only been one person that won the player, the MVP, as a defensive player. It's almost impossible. Like, we've seen people get 20 sacks, right? 20 sacks.


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[Assistant] And think about this. Put a stat on. Think about this. Deshaun Watson is going to get single coverage.


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[Assistant] They can't have 96 guys in the passing route. They can't have 97 DBs. If it is a passing, if it is a running down, and they run play action, people will be wide open.


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[Assistant] And Deshaun Watson, it, it, it, it just, and what Stefanski does here, eliminates, look, think what Bacon was doing.


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[Assistant] He eliminates the tough throws with just the way he's going to approach. Alright, here's the run game. Here's the play action. Now those tough throws where you gotta throw a 30 yard comeback route where you don't have the arm strength or you gotta throw something in the back shoulder. Those are gone.


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[Assistant] But the crazy part about it is, now you have a quarterback that can hit those throws.


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[Assistant] Right. You know, Gene, uhm, you know, we gonna get down, I gotta get down to the business, man. You know, you on the way out, and you know what, you had a great career, you done did a lot of monumental things, but the most monumental things, because I know you had some dealings with this, I gotta ask, why y'all do the Pac-12 like that? Why y'all do them like that?


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[Assistant] Tell us, tell us the thought process behind that with the big, with the big 10.


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[Assistant] And, and, and do y'all have any more tricks up your sleeve?


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[Assistant] You know, uh, Gene, when you, when you're in such a high profile position and it takes such a big requirement of your time, anytime I kind of compare that position to being a professional athlete, you, you know, you know, you spend so much time cultivating relationships and being around people in the athletic department and, and, and, you know, touching different people's lives.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you're going to put your energy into, are you going to put your resources in possibly coming back to Cleveland, doing something in the community in Columbus? Like, what's the next steps for you in your career? Because obviously you have a wealth of knowledge to share, uh, and to give back to people in the community.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jean, I, I wanna, let, let me just be frank and just ask you this question. Uhm, in, in, in this new landscape,


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[Assistant] Why, why do you guys still need the NCAA? Uhm, when you look at...


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[Assistant] You look at the SEC, I mean, you look at the model, it just seems like the old NCAA oversight is antiquated. NIL is there now. It's going to be a move pretty soon here where people are going to make the step and just say, well, look.


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[Assistant] Hey, we might as well play all of our players and make it a business decision. And at that point, would you even really need the NCAA to kind of still be in the role as the administrator?


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[Assistant] I don't think so, but this chair is hungry, so it always eats. I will say twice this week when we


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[Assistant] Including the elf. The elf one. You double elf today. So I double elfed you today. There you go. Get you some of that double elf. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] From another radio station. Which is like, hey, we don't really miss you. No, that's a lame rule that we have on 92.3 the fan. Oh, okay, maybe they just, I should say had my case.


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[Assistant] Right, it's not like he just got big now. Yo, but here's the thing, back then, back then when you was an intern at K&R, man, you had real jobs. Like you, it wasn't no like, let's hang around and get donuts. Like we was, we was in like Rocky River, we was at all these different places.


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[Assistant] The climate. I told him that you can't really talk about Deshaun Watson without discussing Baker Mayfield. Like the Baker saga and how it went. And I don't think a lot of people understood at one point in time.


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[Assistant] Like Baker was not just like, you know, Baker bros, we all had fell in love with. We thought we had a quarterback. So, and I kind of detailed that with Bill and he, he didn't really know it obviously cause he's a national dude, but it was a really great conversation. It was, it was dope. So if you want to check that out, it's pinned on my, um,


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[Assistant] On my Twitter page, uh, at gbush91. You can check it out. Really, really dope interview. And it's till the end. So shout out to Bill for having me on. There you go.


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[Assistant] But I still gotta show the love to the local people. We talked Cavs for about an hour on the podcast. That's up there too. Check it out. Shout out to Zach.


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[Assistant] Like I love that thing. I love what y'all doing up there. Like he saw me on this platform. He said, man,


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[Assistant] You know, this, I got recognized for being on here. So it's like, you know, shout out to UCSS. Like we really moving up. It just shows you a lot of national people. Um, it's definitely, and he knew Jason Lloyd too, cause he's a big, big hoops guy. So he's like, Oh, I know Jason Lloyd. We talked about LeBron a little bit in there too. So shout out to everybody and shout out to Bill. He's a big Celtics Homer for those. I'm sure most people.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. He made his money from being a homer. That's crazy, right? That's true.


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[Assistant] We talked about it, we were like, if they have to pick somebody up, who is it gonna be, AJ Green? And he was, oh yea, AJ Green, he didn't play very well. It looked like he was injured a little bit, so, Tyves called this one out yesterday.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Is there any way we can sign him to a lifetime deal? Like, is there like, can we just be like, look, even if Sofanski gets fired, Bill Callahan is the offensive line coach for the rest of the time until he's dead.


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[Assistant] That's what's infuriating. That's what gets you a little bit.


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[Assistant] I wanna play, like, next year, I'm, I'm working, I'm working Duann Jones out the whole year. Like, listen, you gonna be working left tackle.


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[Assistant] I, cause here's the thing, if you're gonna pay him, he's gonna be a free agent. Uhm, what type of money is he gonna be commanding? That's a left tackle, that's a premium position, and, you know, he's a top, he's a first round pick, so like, are you gonna give him?


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[Assistant] He said, this place is like, let's be clear, this is not an easy pace to kick. Ain't no kicker, I think, would choose. And you say, hey, what do you want to go kick at?


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[Assistant] I don't think they're beating down the doors. No, no way. So he's like, listen, I thought that was telling me because he kind of gave Kate York a little bit of a nod like, hey bro, I kind of know what you up against and I'm not going to come in here and act like this is going to be easy.


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[Assistant] Okay, well, get you, get at the stadium, start kicking.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the thing that I want to do. Like, if you're the Browns, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, you get confidence by doing what? Beating people who are guys that are somebody in this league. You know, we just sat here and said for the whole preseason,


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[Assistant] Oh, that doesn't count because they're third stringers. Oh, that doesn't count because it is. That doesn't count because of that. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you've discounted things for like the whole summer. So now you get an opportunity.


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[Assistant] To come in first game of the year against a top flight quarterback that's coming into your house where you're trying to establish who you are as a team. So yeaah, like I wanna get some clout off Joe Burrow. I wanna get some, I wanna get some stripes off him.


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[Assistant] Because if you win that game, now the narrative is what? What are you going to say? They came in here and they lost. So as a defense, uhm, and as a team, I would rather


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[Assistant] Come in here, if Joe doesn't play, I'm sorry he didn't play, he tried to, whatever the case, I'ma still take that win. But when you talk about confidence building and different things like that,


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[Assistant] I like the fact that it's a Joe Burrow and I want to see what the adjustment is. So the adjustment to me is as I go back home and I watched how he got hurt, him rolling out and running.


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[Assistant] Is a underrated part of Joe Burrow's game. A very underrated part of what Joe Burrow can do is extending plays, running for first downs, different things like that. If I'm Jim Schwartz, I'm looking at this like, okay, well I'm going to unleash Miles Garrett. I'm going to unleash the Darius Smith. We're going to make him move off his spot.


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[Assistant] We're going to make him climb the pocket. We're going to make him roll out. We're going to get some pressures at this place or that place to make sure that he has to put that foot down and plant and explode to get out of harm's way. So now I'm looking at the chest match a little bit because you know, to me, the Browns didn't come in. If they could stop the run with Joe Mixon.


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[Assistant] I think that they might, there might be something in the back of his mind. Am I healthy enough to really do that for game one? So that's, that's my game plan and I'm excited about the challenge.


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[Assistant] I think, I think as a defense, what happens is you see those guys and Joe Burrow has been playing at the last party. Any, any teams that's playing when it's still January out, you get a little boost from that. Now you can't go out and win the next game because of that, but you can say, look, we got Kitty Pickett this week. That ain't Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] It gives you a boost, right? Because it's gonna be on Monday Night Football. It's a short week for the national audience. If you can win that game against Joe Burrow, it gets you up a little bit more and be like, okay, let's go out and get two runs.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm not, because he got, the game was on what, Saturday or Sunday? Oh, the Chiefs. Saturday. Uh, Sunday. It was only two weeks. No, Saturday. My bad.


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[Assistant] You were right, I got two weeks. So you got two weeks with no contact, two weeks to get back ramped up where you're working out running without any headaches or symptoms.


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[Assistant] They're not gonna be hitting anybody. Uhm, and...


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[Assistant] This just goes to show you, if this game was against the Tennessee Titans,


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[Assistant] They've been talking trash with the Bengals two, three years about who shut down who, who better than who. And now when you got a guy like Jamar Chase out there who you're asking to shut down.


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[Assistant] Now that's more incentive. Now it's like, look, we need you out here because it's Jamar Chase. That's a challenge. And you don't want to be seen as a person that's like ducking away or shying away.


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[Assistant] You get that, you get a new invigorated sense of urgency.


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[Assistant] And guess what, it's Joe Burrow in the Bengals. Yes, he'll be ready, cause he knows what type of time we're in. That's the great advantage of playing primetime opponents early in the season. Mike, have we had an update on Denzel Waters?


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[Assistant] Is there any relative, you know, we did get through it, but are you concerned about any relative rest, especially defensively? No delpid, all training.


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[Assistant] We've, we've been telling them, right? How many times do we say we've been referencing the quarterback show, right? And what did Patrick Mahomes say?


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[Assistant] You know, it's a better matchup if, if, if Trevor Simeon or Browning play. Yeah. But, we want Joe Burrow. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But we want to, like, like, so if they're like, they're doing a little virtual signaling, like, if you think Patrick Mahomes was cool for saying that.


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[Assistant] How are we going to not have the same sort of standard? We want the smoke in Joe Barrow too if we want to go to the playoffs. But there is a small part of your mind that says, is that wise calling out Joe Barrow?


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[Assistant] I think if he wasn't hurt, I still think people think he's not gonna be 100%. So if he was 100%, maybe the points are a little low.


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[Assistant] They've been relatively together so much that in September, when other teams are kind of figuring out because you ain't playing nobody in the preseason, the Gainesville City Chiefs are already on week one, ready to go, ready to, everybody's on the same page.


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[Assistant] Write it down, make it clear that their goal is to get home field advantage. That's what they want. They live off that. Now look, I would love to see


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[Assistant] The Kansas City Chiefs had to play three games to get to the Super Bowl. Would love it!


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[Assistant] But they come out, they get the first round by, and now you gotta go to the arrowhead. I think other teams should have that same type of energy, and if they did, I think it would put the Kansas City Chiefs in a precarious situation, and having to play on the road, and having to play, cause you got attrition that could happen with that. So for me,


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[Assistant] I think they're very smart about that, and they go for it every year. And basically, if they get home for the advantage...


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[Assistant] I mean they're almost unbeatable. They've shown that.


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[Assistant] And that's happened to the Bengals two years in a row. And I've, I watch. I just, you know, I watch the game different. Like I just watch it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I could, I could point out somebody made a good play or swing or momentum or whatever. Good catch, by the way.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, they are, yeaah, they definitely, I don't have a problem moving for anybody. I don't, wouldn't say I'm rooting, I'm just, I'm just watching the game. Alright.


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[Assistant] I got the browns ahead of the charges. Uhm, and here's why.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you guys brought up, uh, the point, they, they choked the game away last year with Jacoby Brissette. The year before, uhm, if he just hits, if he hits Odell Beckham Jr. a few more times.


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[Assistant] They win that, that game he was wide open. They, they kinda threw that one down the drain a little bit. And when I look at it, I think that the Browns defense is upgraded. I think Austin Eckler is a nice back.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, Mike Williams, you know, he's, I always seem to end up with him on my fantasy team and I hate it. I don't know why. He's just so up and down. He's very boomer bust. Very boomer bust. But I just like the Browns defense better. I like the Browns offense a little bit better. I think they are neck and neck, but I think that Deshaun Watson, again,


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[Assistant] Now the Chargers defense is more proven it than the Browns defense. Yes, they proven it more. Yeaah. But, now that, I like the fact that the Browns have added pieces. I think the Browns have one of the best defensive lines.


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[Assistant] I just think Deshaun Watson, this is the game, one of the games of the people that you look at, Herbert versus Watson.


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[Assistant] And, and, and, and if Watson is back, you'll start to hear some people say, well, is Justin Herbert really better than John Watson? I don't know, cause, you know, look at the way Watson's playing. So I gotta project that I like the Browns better than Chargers.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't like their roster. No. I don't, I just don't. They're not, it's bad, they're not terrible, but. They're not, I just, like, the receivers, uhm, you know, the kid from Essie, Cortland Sutton, I don't like that.


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[Assistant] It's medium. They got a bunch of medium guys. They're not like good or bad. They don't have anybody fast or strong. Like, like I'm being real general here, but like I don't see what I'm guess I'm saying is I don't see nobody that sticks off the page that says I'm a playmaker. You're going to have the game plan around me or it's going to be a problem. It's just a bunch of guys that are like,


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[Assistant] You know, just middle of the road dudes that, you know, you can go in there and get a win against. And I don't like.


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[Assistant] Hey look, I didn't say that was a smart move to throw the ball every play. That's just what they do. Their defense wasn't very good last year.


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[Assistant] Jalen Ramsey's out for a while. I think they try to bolster their back with that, you know, uhm, I like Jalen Phillips at end. I think last year the Dolphins beat the Bricks out of us because


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[Assistant] Then you look at the guy, you know, you got the quarterback in a situation where Yujigobi Brissette wasn't a guy that was going to be able to bring you back after you're down 17 points. I think that game got away from him. And that was a game, if you remember, they did that all off of a bye.


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[Assistant] I actually think the Browns if you ask me, they match up the best against the Bills, right?


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[Assistant] The bills, the bills are the most predictable between the bangles and the chiefs.


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[Assistant] If they gotta play the, if they gotta play, you know, the, the, the Bills, I'm, I like the match up because I just think the Browns match up better defensively now. Um, they can move the ball and they can use the running with the ball control game. I like, I like the Browns chances against the Bills better than the, uh, Bengals and the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Two busts on the goal line. Tyvis, I think Tyvis really cleared up both of those.


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[Assistant] He's a deep threat, yeaah. That's the Aaron Rodgers, that is the, uh, they keep one of those dudes. What's the kid from Kentucky? I can't remember.


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[Assistant] But the Jets didn't win a lot, the Jets won less games than the Browns last year. The problem with the Jets is they play in a sneaky tough division too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's not as good as the North. Not as good as the North, but Bills and Dolphins are good, and the Patriots will sneak up and beat one of those teams that they should. So, you know, they play in one of those divisions, that's the key thing with them.


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[Assistant] And if Rodgers could be 80%, 85% of what they are?


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[Assistant] That's still pretty good if they got a running game. If they're consistent with the run game, run to play action off that, don't put them in shotgun too much and throw the ball 40 times. They got a good roster, man.


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[Assistant] I want to say it's the same, but they actually finish higher because they do better in their division.


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[Assistant] If you asked me for the rest of this career, I would probably take Trevor Lawrence. Steve Becker just asked a good question. Lawrence or Herbert? Lawrence or Herbert.


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[Assistant] After this year, I'm just waiting on people to have to say.


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[Assistant] By the way, that's a trap game. Tennessee versus the Browns is a trap game on that schedule. They play hard every year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you, if you take Amari Kufo off this roster,


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[Assistant] You in trouble. You got Elijah Moore and DPJ. And those guys are not going to put you...


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[Assistant] Anywhere in the top, I would say 20 in terms of receivers. What makes those guys look good is the fact that you do have a number one receiver in Mario Cooper that can take all that, all the heat.


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[Assistant] Uhm, in a way that, you know, you can kind of mask the deficiencies of some of your other guys. I love Elijah more, but...


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[Assistant] You know, I like bigger receivers. I just think there's less room for error for quarterbacks with smaller guys, um, you know, catching the football. We saw that with, uh,


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[Assistant] Jarvis Landry and Odo Beckham Jr. You just didn't have the level of size and catch radius that you wanted, uh, you wanted.


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[Assistant] They've done a good job of going to get, uh, you know, guys like Cedric Tillman, who are bigger, DPJ is bigger, got your number one, got your smaller guys, uh, NSP guys, Marquise Goodwin. So I like Amari Cooper here. I think he's underrated. And by the way, I mean, he's quietly had a top 10 season. That season he had last year is a top 10 receiving all time for the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] There are no, like, headaches or problems on the roster. If you look at it, like, people


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[Assistant] What do you guys say about that? Put that back up real quick.


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[Assistant] So, the crazy part about it is, if, if you're gonna get rid of the offensive guy, I mean, they still got the, the Forrest Buckter, uhm... The Colts suck, so they're trying to...


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[Assistant] They, they got Jalen Hurts. That's true. He gonna either, he gonna, they gonna put the ball in his hands, and they either gonna pull the screens down and take off for, for runs, or they gonna throw the ball to the two receivers that paid all that money to.


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[Assistant] You know, if you got a top-flight quarterback, right? So this is why it's very interesting to see what the Browns do.


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[Assistant] Because when you look at Alan, even Austin Eckler in LA, he's not going to get no new deal. Joe Mixon had to take a pay cut. Those quarterbacks are going to get the ball and they ain't going to throw the ball. Yeah, that's fair. Go ahead Mike.


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[Assistant] I don't agree with you. Cooper Cupp's one of the best receivers. I know he's old. He's come off major injuries, two out of the last three years. He's over the age of 31. He's the smallest receiver. I don't think he's over 31, is he?


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[Assistant] You're not getting that, you're not sniffing that second in 2025. I'll give you a second in a six. I mean, Davante Adams just got here.


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[Assistant] And I don't agree with, like, they're unstoppable. Like, okay, you're gonna run underneath routes the whole game. Cool. Sweet. Like, that's not-


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[Assistant] Like that was Tyreek Hill or the Chiefs, you had that bro, what are you talking about? And by the way, there is no comparison with the Durant Warriors, the Durant Warriors to being beat the 96 Bulls.


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[Assistant] I got the Durant Warriors. Depends what rules you're playing with.


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[Assistant] They might, they might fine you for this bro. Like this won't even go through a Maton. Like he played Maton, he should have tried this out. And that green, that bar is red as hell. It ain't even yellow. DPJ in a third round pick?


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[Assistant] You gotta think about it. That's the type of trade that I would say only in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Like, there's different types of veterans. Veterans that are on the squad regardless.


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[Assistant] Like, out of the people, Jones could theoretically go to another squad and be on the bubble list and be like, like he go to Jacksonville. You might not say he's one of their top five.


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[Assistant] Like, he just is now getting to a point where, okay, well he's on the Browns roster snugly, but he's going to have to go in the free agent market and find somebody that's going to give him a bag of money.


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[Assistant] Well, I could argue that on the Cleveland Browns team, there is only one person with legit value. No.


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[Assistant] Scary part is, I don't even- Well, Watson, you might not get no ones back, man. Yeah, you would.


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[Assistant] But here's the thing, if it was just today, I'm looking at the climate.


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[Assistant] Who is open? Who's what position quarterback position is open where people are going to be like, yeah, let's give us some ones for this guy today.


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[Assistant] I can't give you that one. I can't give you the one. I would. Can I trade, give me Kelsey, a two, three and a seven. Nope.


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[Assistant] Nobody in their right mind. I think it was Stephon D. I think it was like Dwayne Jones and like a fourth for Stephon D straight up and it's like hell nah.


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[Assistant] I mean, you gotta think about it, in the middle of the summer,


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[Assistant] We were talking about it every day. We were talking about Armani Bates like 10 days in a row. We brought Brad back in. Just to get some Armani Bates love. Just to debate. They brought him back in.


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[Assistant] He brought it back up. So yes, Imani Bates was hot, uh, because at that point in time, there's nothing going on. Zero. And you gotta look at it. Now, now the competition level, at least in the NFL, right?


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[Assistant] DTR is playing for, these guys are paying for their livelihood. Like they're playing for their lives. They're gonna get cut. These guys are tackling people. You could have been on another roster. They got draft picks, some veterans mixed in. Amadi Bates is playing like...


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[Assistant] I would probably say it's probably Ahmadi Bates. But Dwayne Jones has some hype too, but he's a lineman, you can't have him. I would say Ahmadi Bates at that point. They even won a championship.


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[Assistant] He was hurt, like think about it. Like they had a plan for him. He played all those snaps, which is impressive because I think that was their plan to get him in shape. They're like, no, you're just going to play a lot. But when it was OTAs and rookie camp, he was giving it up because he didn't have those rotations. They ain't nobody taking those snaps for him.


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[Assistant] I mean, by all intents and purposes this one was easy for me. He just had the best camp of any lineman in the history of the game.


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[Assistant] He's had the best camp. I just put the stats back up there. He's played the most snaps.


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[Assistant] Diamond don't even get snaps like this. He had one of the most impressive pre-seasons I've seen. And on top of that, he's blessed to have somebody in front of him. That's average at best that we just talked about. He's gonna get the opportunity. DTR is sitting behind somebody that makes the most money, guaranteed, in the league. And if he plays well, the Browns will be a playoff team.


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[Assistant] When is he going to see that opportunity? Right, right, right. And then Amadi Bates is playing behind Darius Harlan and Donovan Mitchell who are ball dominant guards who pull up a lot. And one of them averaged 30 points a game in the second team All-MBA. That's kind of hard to come in and take 10 minutes like that.


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[Assistant] If you ask me, if you ask me who I'm most excited to see play this year, it's Imani Bates. Because here's the thing, we know what the competition level looks like with the Browns and those guys playing. They earn that. Now not to say that he didn't earn his hype, but now the biggest jump, football is different, right? When you go from a skill level


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[Assistant] Like from playing in football, NFL, yeaah, you gotta be big, fast, strong. All those guys are good. Even from small schools, right?


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[Assistant] But when you get to the NBA, that's different. You're seeing, you're seeing Paul George, then you're seeing Durant, then you got LeBron, then you got Jokic, then you got, like, come on, this is, this is night after night after night after night. So I want to see what it looks like against that, that high of a, of a, of a challenge. So that's why I'm saying I'm more excited to see that.


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[Assistant] Probably not high. Probably not 8%. The reason I got 25 is 50-50 per opposition that you play, right? So that 50%. And then if you play, I'm going to take that down a little bit more. If you are a player, you got an opportunity, you know, to see if you can be a pro-baller. I'm going to go with 25%. I like his skills. I like his size.


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[Assistant] And the thing about when you vote for pro bowlers, what people don't understand, you gotta have the press.


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[Assistant] Shout out to uh, everybody who th- they just-


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[Assistant] Hey, this guy's awesome. He's good. He had a steal in the fourth round, so his name is already out there. All he gotta do is play well. That's true.


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[Assistant] The last time that happened, you gotta go back and look what? Wasn't Romo a fifth round pick?


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[Assistant] But in general, my optimism is higher. 25 to 8 percent, that's a lot of deviation.


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[Assistant] And in its essence, what did that series that he posted, what did it, what was the summation of it?


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[Assistant] Can you explain to a Western audience, what does that mean?


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[Assistant] As I understand it, what you were essentially doing with the television cameras running,


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[Assistant] Who's there? Come out!


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[Assistant] You're starting to have like a crazy track record because the Gunna shit has been so fucking successful and you found him super early on. Keed shit looks like it could definitely be a similar situation. How important is that to you though to be the one actually finding these guys early and signing them? Like is that just natural to you to just have your eyes on all the new rappers to the extent that you would actually want to do business with them?


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[Assistant] Dad, you're kinda freaking me out. What's going on?


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[Assistant] But I'll be a lot better once we get with the others. I need to make sure everyone else made it out. Luke, Sarah, Kenny. God damn it. What if they aren't there?


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[Assistant] Sorry. Jesus. I don't even know if we're safe. What if the herd is still following us? We're fine. It's been quiet, but who knows?


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[Assistant] I have to stop. I'm sorry. I don't wanna slow us down. Can I just have a minute?


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[Assistant] Just because you're some angry loner who doesn't care about anyone but herself doesn't mean you know better than me.


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[Assistant] Are you okay? How does it feel? It feels wet. That's how it feels.


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[Assistant] Of course. Of course he did. I know it's a waste of time, but I can't stop thinking about things I should have said to him. Things I should have talked to him about.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah? That big dummy never did have a sense for these things. I've got a feeling this one's a boy. You're a good kid, Clementine. I'm glad you'll be there to watch out for this baby. Ah, oh shit.


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[Assistant] I'll be fine. If there's a chance there's food, we have to risk it.


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[Assistant] Half hour ago, he went back to the war. He's there now.


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[Assistant] Hey, Kay Yank is no longer Kay York. It's Kay Yank. So somebody need to go yank his ass off the Browns roster. Send him to the airport and get him up out of here, man. You know, Kevin Stefanski said he's talented. You can go be talented elsewhere, my guy.


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[Assistant] No champagne, no rice, you eat nothing. You don't eat nothing.


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[Assistant] Check this out, we're back in two for two now. I met an older gentleman, uh, Sunday, went to men's warehouse out in Mayfield, get fitted for my tux, as you all know, I got a wedding coming up. Uh, groomsmen and the officiates, I'm looking forward to that.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I go and I walk in and get fitted and he looks at me and he says, you know who you are? He says, you're Earl and Pearl. He says, I love the work you all do on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, the work that you do on the fans. So we got some fans out there who's starting to understand this YouTube thing and you know, how to see us there. So, uh, shout out to everybody who's supporting everything that we do. We got a lot going on here.


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[Assistant] One day I'm going to tell my grandkids that early on in my year, in my career, I spent the first month of August talking about a kicker.


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[Assistant] I'm talking about a kicker. Kay York is an absolute disaster, as you said. You know, with this season having so much riding on it, right? I'm not gonna bank the Brown season on Kay York's right leg. The fact that you got one job, you know, forget everything else, you got one job.


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[Assistant] Let's come out here and make kicks. And you have proven to show that you're not capable of doing it when the lights is on and in the big moments. I said right here on this set.


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[Assistant] Two episodes ago on Behind the Glass and I laid out a scenario that we could be in a regular season and we talk all this noise about Deshaun Watson and you know, will he be able to lead the Browns on game winning drives? Can he put us in position to win?


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[Assistant] You try this down there for a game tying, uh, touchdown and all we need is the extra point and he misses it. Or you get this down to a certain point of the field and he can't even hit a damn 43 yard field goal.


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[Assistant] We are not about to bank our entire 2023 season on K-York's right leg. And the fact that they went this long.


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[Assistant] Without no kicking competition, without doing anything to put some heat up under his ass.


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[Assistant] Cuz we, we got too much on our line and I fail to believe that Kevin Stefanski is that stupid to put his job in faith in K. George Wright. I just don't see it. Gene, before you go, we got the clip, right?