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[Assistant] You know who I think has been as advertised is Juan Thornhill. I think he's made some plays that you don't really notice, but it's a good thing he was there when he was, or else that was going for 6. The Kenneth Walker play.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Last week. Yeah. He's, he's, he's just made some sound tackles and they're in the right spot that it doesn't flash.


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[Assistant] And I think, I think, I think Thornhill's been an upgrade over JJ3. Oh, big time. And, and go back, how many times did I say it last year? We talked about it all year. If you fix the defensive tackle issue, you go a long way toward fixing a lot of the rest of the problems that they had defensively last year. And that's happened.


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[Assistant] They've certainly addressed the DT issue and they fixed it and now you've had a little bit better health with, with guys staying healthy at the linebacker spot.


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[Assistant] Right. This is how it should be. You should be an active as a rookie. Right. And hopefully next year. Right. And you don't sign hers.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not. And they better be right in terms of not going out and getting another quarterback in the trade deadline. I get it. Like if, if they think Deshaun is going to be ready this week or even next week, it makes sense on the surface, but what evidence do we have to this point that he can get healthy and stay healthy for the rest of the season? Very, very little. Not much. So it's a risk.


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[Assistant] To Sean Watson's two best games? The defense's two best games? I mean, that should, that's sort of...


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[Assistant] So the Titans and the Cardinals were obviously the two best defensive performances, less than 100 total yards. And then Deshaun, the most complete game was the Titans game, then Deshaun gets hurt, and now it looks like Deshaun is finally


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[Assistant] conversation with my agent that I'm better, my second game is better than my first game. My third game is better than my second game. It's all about stacking reps. And when you look at Deshaun Watson, we know how beautiful that deep ball is. I think I just saw Amari Cooper say that the, that that was the prettiest deep ball he's ever caught. We know that he can do that.


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[Assistant] And it sure looked really, really good Sunday. It's that intermediate passing game, those timing passes, those short passes that inevitably just need more work and you need to stack reps and Deshaun Watson has not been able to properly stack reps. I mean, we heard him say earlier in the season that maybe he should have played more in the preseason just to get to stack those reps.


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[Assistant] And he said it feels great. So that's a great step. Getting a full week of practice in this week, just like he did last week. That's going to be really good. Look, he's playing a great defense this week. And I, you know, I got this conversation on the,


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[Assistant] Side line near the end of the game with a member of ownership about how much the Browns ran the ball and passed the ball. I think it's really good that they ran the ball and ran the bell so well this last week because they're going to need to run the ball in Baltimore. They're going to need to control the clock. They're going to need to wear down that defense to some degree.


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[Assistant] What to check in and out of, like all of that is valuable.


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[Assistant] him feel even more comfortable this next week and


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[Assistant] You know, at this point, you just hope he can stay healthy. You really do. And this season, this team, Kevin Stefanski, I just want Kevin Stefanski to have a run of...


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[Assistant] Somewhat normalcy, if that's even remotely posi- possible for the Cleveland Browns. I mean, his entire tenure has been crazy. Really.


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[Assistant] No, not, not yet, but let's see where the season goes and I think he can be in the conversation for sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. 100%. You have no idea what mess this organization would be in, what this team would be in, if not for Kevin Stefanski. Okay. I mean, not that- But he can't be coaching a year?


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[Assistant] Not that there are certain things, not that there are certain processes that couldn't be a little bit better, not that everything is perfect, but can you imagine Freddie Kitchens running this, and no offense to Freddie Kitchens, great guy, but can you imagine Freddie Kitchens running these last four years?


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[Assistant] Yes, 100%. I think this is someone who deserves an extension and should continue to coach this team.


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[Assistant] John Harbaugh calls his sister, Joni, and says, hey, do you know Todd Monkin's wife?


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[Assistant] Do you think you could call her and see if he'd be interested in talking to me about my offensive coordinator job? This is not like, let me go find my friend, let me go give my buddy a job.


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[Assistant] He really scoured who should I talk to. He also interviewed a bunch of people. I know at least three other people that he interviewed. I think about the city of Pittsburgh where the search for an offensive coordinator the last two times has been completely different. As in there's been no search at all.


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[Assistant] And there's not necessarily been getting someone that can best match your players. John Harbaugh went and he did that.


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[Assistant] The way that they're playing right now, what he's getting out of Lamar Jackson and how they're sort of flying under the radar. You know, we don't even talk about them in the AFC as much as we should. Yes, I'm a big, big, big John Harbaugh fan, but I also think that the Browns have a really, really good chance this weekend to make some noise.


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[Assistant] They were a top seed and Tennessee comes in and Tennessee wins there. It just, again, feels like a lifetime ago. Lamar's rookie year when he


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[Assistant] Chargers, it was the Chargers, right? Came in in one. It feels like such a long time ago.


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[Assistant] I think they should be. I mean, think about it. A division game is always unbelievably difficult. And look, we know it's not about participation trophies and almost win counts for nothing in the standings other than an L. I get all of that.


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[Assistant] Yeah. No, it was like the back and forth, the back and forth and then Lamar hits Willie Snead and Mark Andrews late with the Lamar, the Lamar game where he had to go to the bath.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that, I think it was a Thursday Night Game actually, you're right. Uhm, instant classic.


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[Assistant] I, I just, I, I really, really like that defense on all three levels. I like that they're not ever trying to get too cute. I like how fast they're playing. Uh, that front is so insanely disruptive. Then you look at that back end and...


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[Assistant] The way that they are able to play man and how much they play man.


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[Assistant] And I love those linebackers. I mean, you were talking about that earlier. You were talking about J.O.K. and could he be a joker? I mean, J.O.K. has bulked up a little bit, you know, to try to hit that line of being more available, being more durable, but he's still so fast! I mean, he's so fast!


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[Assistant] This is why Mike Tomlin is so complicated because in so many ways his teams are resilient and they fight and you can never count them out. I think I called them cockroaches on the video. They never die. They never ever ever die.


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[Assistant] The flip side is they are in this position because of some of his decision making, like his...


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[Assistant] They are a very, very, very well coached team. Mike Tomlin is very good at getting the most out of all of his players at motivating different personalities in the necessary different ways and they win. And I'm sorry that it's annoying to you.


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[Assistant] What's that? I think Kenny, I think Kenny Pickett would be so helped by being in a different offense.


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[Assistant] You know what? He has these double-jointed thumbs and they're like very weird. That's why it measures small. The actual hand is not that small.


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[Assistant] It's at home. Yeah, I don't like predictions.


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[Assistant] So, I thought I'd come on and Desperate Last People would come out. It's a fun variety show. Also, the headliner, Nate Craig, will be appearing. It's gonna be a fun show. Come out. It's not, it's at, Doors at 9 tonight. Join us. Alright, and


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[Assistant] But as a treat for you guys, as a thank you for having me on to promote that show, I am also going to use my time to put a curse on the Steelers. An old Irish curse. Let's get there! Let's do it! Now, this is uh, these are passed down to me by my great grandfather, James Patrick Kelly, from his father. He used to curse people, my father cursed people, and now I curse people for him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, these are real Irish curses, and they're not mean ones by the way. We're not wishing injury upon anybody. I'm not hoping Cam Hayward gets injured. These are fun-


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[Assistant] Here's another one for him. He deserves two curses. And that means, when you eat, may you not defecate. So we're wishing constipation upon him. See, here's what I'm not going to do because it's too harsh. So I did, I'm not putting this one on the Steelers, but this is one of my grandpa's. I won't use this one though. This was bad.


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[Assistant] You're attacking this guy. So that's an aggressive movement. So to me, like I say, anytime you can run the ball and run it successfully, it's going to help your offense alignment because one, it's going to put them in the mentality of we're attacking. We're going after these guys.


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[Assistant] For the majority of your best, uh, defense alignment is over your left tackle. So it's a whole different challenge.


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[Assistant] Hey, I call him the silent assassin. That's him, man. He don't say a lot.


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[Assistant] But the guy's been playing phenomenal for us. He really has been. He's had an interception in these last three games, one in each game. But the thing about it, after each interception, he has bounced back and led a touchdown drive.


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[Assistant] And that's the thing that you like to see high guys handle adversity, high guys bounce back from bad things happening to them.


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[Assistant] That, that, that, that he couldn't have success, a guy that Coach Callahan, which like you say, he's one of the best ever to coach that position, that he couldn't, uh, turn around. Quick, quick, quick, uh, comment, Jay. Uhm, the Brooker Shaw Ferguson.


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[Assistant] I think it's a combination. I think you have to have both.


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[Assistant] Definitely no guys tendencies, know what they want to do if he's lined up in a 9 wide technique. I know he's want to try to dip and rush me to the outside.


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[Assistant] They've got five superstars on offense. The thing that scares me most is they were up 32.


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[Assistant] Early in the fourth quarter when they just said, okay, we're good. It could have been 50 if they wanted. This team is low.


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[Assistant] If you have a Twitter account, you can suddenly be an NFL reporter. Uhm, but there has been a little bit of scuttlebutt about the Browns being interested


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[Assistant] In making a move for an offensive lineman. I want your take in particular. You talk to these guys. I'm wondering if you've heard any of that. It wouldn't surprise me. In fact, it would disappoint me if they weren't.


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[Assistant] But we'll talk about that. Baker made some interesting comments on Friday on the Pat McAfee Show about how his time in Cleveland ended. We'll play those. We'll talk about whether Cleveland as a whole is rooting for him to succeed or to fail.


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[Assistant] So before I sent out feelers, I really started thinking, what's our biggest issue?


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[Assistant] And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, I think our biggest issue is the offensive line. No doubt. I mean...


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[Assistant] For better or worse. So I said, who can I reach out to that can help with the offensive line?


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[Assistant] Lomas, uh, is a long time friend. Uh, I first met him when he came to the Buccaneers, right before they won the Super Bowl. Oddly enough, he was an interesting pick up in the off season.


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[Assistant] Because Tony Dungy had just been fired. And when they brought Lomas Brown in, I thought, what is this?


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[Assistant] Like, Lomis isn't gonna start. They had just drafted Kenyatta Walker. I didn't think that he had any chance of starting.


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[Assistant] And it was a stroke of genius because what he did was he stabilized the locker room, gave them a veteran presence, and he also helped all the offensive linemen get better. They knew he was at the tail end of a Hall of Fame career. So I'm gonna ask Lomas, what can we do? What can this team do?


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[Assistant] You know, five weeks into the season because we had Chris Rose on last week and he was chiding us saying, guys, there's no left tackle store.


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[Assistant] Okay, and they probably all know that you're Mikey McNuggets of UCSF.


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[Assistant] The Bengals, we all thought they should, but they returned closer to the Bengals than they were last year in handling Arizona pretty easily. Pittsburgh though.


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[Assistant] I think is the team that's got an arrow going up next to their name right now.


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[Assistant] There was TJ Watt. The guy was born under the right star. No question about that. But they make splash plays at impactful times in the game.


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[Assistant] We have not seen the full-on Cincinnati Bengals yet. We're starting to see glimpses of them, but they have to pedigree. They're the ones going to Super Bowls and AFC Championship games.


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[Assistant] The Steelers is the third pick, and the Browns is the fourth pick. Now, I don't think there's a huge difference between two and four. I think those teams are very, very close. I think the Bengals are still the...


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[Assistant] Before, you've got six games. To me was, don't make me pull this car over.


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[Assistant] What would be your line of wanting action and what would you want that action to be?


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[Assistant] And that's it. What I said, the Steelers gut out wins. Look at the difference in your schedule and how you feel about yourself. If you're two and three after the Niners game and in last place, or if you didn't allow the Steelers to gut one out against you and you did what you were supposed to do,


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[Assistant] And I'm with you on that. We always talk about small sample size.


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[Assistant] The more pieces of the puzzle we get to see, the easier it is to see what you're looking at. The picture starts to come into focus. And for me, there really have not been any major surprises in the AFC. The Chiefs are the Chiefs. They might, they haven't been as dominant as I thought they would be.


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[Assistant] The Bills lost a couple of games that were head scratchers, but they've also looked like the Bills. And the Dolphins have more offensive yards.


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[Assistant] Here's what I think he was a victim of. Here's another world class track guy that wants to be a football player. I think that, that mentality has permeated NFL GMs. Now, our guy took a shot on Anthony Schwartz and where is he now? Probably training for the 2024.


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[Assistant] I took him in the last round of our fantasy draft. Not, not ours. Not this one, yeaah. Uh, my other fantasy league. And everybody was like, who? Who is this guy? And the only reason I took him was because I'd read a couple articles that, like, if you're looking for a guy that could absolutely shock everybody


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[Assistant] Look, I'm not, I'm not gonna put him in the genius category, but when you have a Joe Burrow and you have the court receivers that they have. Yes. Anna Mixon, who is a very serviceable, better than serviceable running back.


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[Assistant] You've got the components. So that's why they scare me more than anybody because Baltimore's offense looks pedestrian at times. They get the ball the first drive yesterday. They march it down the Steelers like they're going to win 42 to 10 and then they just


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[Assistant] On third and goal, you took three points off the board. What was he thinking with that throw? His man wasn't open. He threw it directly to the defender. Sometimes I'm watching Lamar Jackson and I'm wondering if already there are some fans that don't have buyer's remorse on his big contract.


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[Assistant] That's not good. Well, that also tells me. Now it's only Monday, but. Well, it also tells me that if this were not a bye week, he would not have been on the field yesterday.


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[Assistant] Maybe you're thinking this, you know what, could he practice? Yes, but if he doesn't today, we give him another 48 hours deal. Right, right, they could be thinking that. Maybe he's perfectly fine and this is all cautionary.


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[Assistant] But I don't know that a third, I don't know about a second. I'd give up a second.


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[Assistant] But here's the problem. If you do that, you don't pick until the hundreds. Because we don't have a first round pick either. I have to get a left tackle. I know, but man, we've mortgaged the farm already.


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[Assistant] But the only problem with that bowl is there's probably 20 other teams that are calling the Patriots with their offer and those teams probably have one. But how many teams need a left tackle? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the number of that, but I do know this.


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[Assistant] When you need a left tackle, you need a left tackle. It's like a flat tire. You can't just keep going. But the Browns are in that situation.


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[Assistant] They are, but I don't know how many other teams, to answer your question to mine, I don't know how many other teams need left tackle. Let's just say there's six in the market.


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[Assistant] If he's not practicing and he misses significant time, this is all a wasted conversation. Because you don't want to give up a second round draft pick, which is your first. You don't want to give up that pick if your quarterback is going to miss the next three or four games.


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[Assistant] And the thing is, if Watson's injury lingers, there's your answer. You're not giving up a second. If you're two and five, and Watson misses the next three, what's the point?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but this is, Jay, correct me if I'm wrong. This is the month that all these calls are being made. The next couple of weeks, if you've got a feeler or you hear that a guy's on the market, you're at least throwing your hat in the ring with a preliminary phone call. That doesn't mean that there was an offer of assets. What it means is, hey, we're looking and you're selling and we're


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[Assistant] That's exactly what you're doing. And hopefully that is going on right now with the Patriots, who by the way, I can't explain. I can't, I mean,


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[Assistant] They're awful. They're awful. But 34-0. These are the two worst defeats in Bill Belichick's NFL coaching career in back-to-back weeks. Not being able to drive his career.


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[Assistant] Sure. Did you guys see the little exchange yesterday between Drew and Sean after, I mean, Drew, between Sean and Russ after Russ had the fumble that led to a touchdown. He does not care that he is Russ Wilson, Diva Super Bowl quarterback winner. He doesn't care. And I, and I actually respect


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[Assistant] When you're in a professional fraternity, and I kinda keep this with our fraternity, we're in a fraternity.


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[Assistant] There might be guys that I look at that have a lot of talent, that do a great job, and then there's other guys I look at that I think are hacks.


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[Assistant] But I, I never, I try to never go out and publicly on this forum say so and so is a hack.


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[Assistant] I think Colin, Colin has figured out how to build an empire by knowing what the audience wants. And also, you have to figure out this sometimes, what they don't want and giving them that too.


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[Assistant] And that's skip and that's Colin used to ask me all the time. He and skip didn't have a good relationship, but he knew that we did and we would work out a lot together and he would constantly ask me questions about skips psyche because he knew skip cracked the code.


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[Assistant] And Colin wanted to coattail that brilliantly. He's a smart guy. And he was constantly asking questions about skip, how he comes at certain things, what he decides to leave in the meeting room and what he brings to TV.


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[Assistant] And so, uh, I just, it's my rule. I don't kill other guys in the business that do it. But as a head coach, it really bothers me when a head coach has something negative to say about another head coach. You rarely see that. You rarely see it, especially to that degree. He put an exclamation point, put 10 exclamation points behind it.


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[Assistant] By the way, when Jim Swartz came in, he probably looked at the tape and he probably mumbled under his breath or maybe to his players, holy cow, this was colossally bad, but he never said it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they got all the tricks your mother has. Look how beautiful your mother looks. Are you not going to buy this for your mother? 10 years from now, you'll forget that it was $150.


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[Assistant] Listen, that is absolutely a different conversation because we all know what's going on over there. And yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, which is weird because their edict is none of our guys can go on, yet you host shows over there. And none of their guys roll out on here. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And the reason I say that is because he hasn't been Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] And you know what? I think he misses Tyree Kill in a major way. I know they did, but still, their offense just does, they're great. I've got them at number four.


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[Assistant] For sure. Yeah, I'm a big believer of if you're wearing the crown, you deserve that respect. When's the last time the Dolphins want to play off game? But what I will say is...


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[Assistant] Just based on the look test, and it's only through five weeks, but just based on the look test, the Niners and Eagles are doing it at a different level, with the Dolphins right there, just barely behind them, and then the Chiefs barely behind the Dolphins.


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[Assistant] It's almost like teams are saying, well, your wide receivers don't scare us. We'll give Kelsey his. We'll try to keep you out of the end zone, but nobody else on this offense is going to beat us. Bull, you heard something on the radio this morning.


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[Assistant] Andy Reed knows the offensive line. That was his background. I would think that he's an offensive guru. Uhm, I just think that there are guys that are smarter. You know, when you look at Belichick, now granted he's having an awful year this year.


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[Assistant] Throughout the body of his career, everyone's looked at him as a genius who's playing it on a different level. On Defense!


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[Assistant] Do you know the ins and outs of the infamous PowerPoint presentation? What do you know about that story? I've heard so many different versions of it. I don't know what's really true.


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[Assistant] And by the way, where is Ray? Atlanta. No, he's in Atlanta. Oh, he's still in Atlanta? Yeah.


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[Assistant] And he gave names and examples of people that were


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[Assistant] That were undercutting the franchise's success that had to go. And he was shown the door.


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[Assistant] We have the benefit of the last seven years results. What he's done and what the Browns have done. And that's why I'm saying, because I've heard stories, some of them to me sound like they're Paul Bunyan tales. Some of what I heard, I said at the time, there's no way he did that. There's no way he did that.


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[Assistant] But, so I don't know. I don't know what's true and what's, you know, this sort of mythical, you know, legend that has built itself up. But the reason I'd say I would love to see that PowerPoint now, because everything that he said, now with the benefits of the results, is either true


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[Assistant] There's no way of knowing because of all the outside influences. I say no. But I think he knew that. He looked around, I think I've told this story to you a number of times, where I've had NFL lifers, guys that have covered the league since the 90s.


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[Assistant] All kind of cornered me and were bullying me once at ESPN saying, Jay, you gotta divorce this team.


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[Assistant] You're killing yourself. I know you can't. That's what I told them. And they all said, normally your team is your team. You're born that way, you die that way. But they were all saying, we like you.


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[Assistant] You're torturing yourself. Hear us all when we collectively tell you this organization is always going to be where they are right now. They can't figure out success, and if they ever do, they won't be able to sustain it long term.


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[Assistant] And I'm wondering if Kyle Shanahan, growing up in the sport with his dad as a head coach, knowing what he knows, talking to his father, telling him what was going on in the building, he probably came to the same conclusion that these guys all had. It's never gonna work with these pieces in place.


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[Assistant] Because he's not fireable, tradable, and he's always gonna be there. And that's the point that my buddies at ESPN were telling me. You're stuck.


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[Assistant] You're stuck. If the team ever changes hands and you want to come back, you should. But we're trying to save you another decade of heartbreak, misery and failure because it is what it is and it is not going to change.


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[Assistant] It might again prove that what Shanahan was saying is, I'll take this job under one circumstance. You get out of my way.


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[Assistant] You get out of my way, you definitely get the hell out of my way and out of the building, you out of my way, let me do it, and we'll win. And Haslam had a chance and he said, no, you go on and do big things for the other teams. Go ahead Mike, you gotta read and then I'll come back.


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[Assistant] When it comes to getting this job, but the last thing I want to do is take this job, go four and 12 and back to back years because my hands were tied behind my back and then never get another job.


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[Assistant] So I thought he wisely assessed the situation and said, I'll take the job, but here's the circumstance. I can't have him meddling. I don't want him in the organization. This thing is broken. We gotta fix it from the top down. We've got to fix it. And they heard that and they said, no, we're good.


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[Assistant] I think so. A bad quarterback you can change. A bad coach you can change. I honestly think that the worst situation you can be in is be in a bad ownership situation. Yea, it's bad. Because it's never gonna fix itself. Right. If we all banded together.


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[Assistant] All the Browns fans. Yeaah. And we stood outside the stadium and no one went inside for a game. And we all picketed with signs, sell the team, sell the team. You know what he'd say? Nah, I'm good.


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[Assistant] We're waiting for Lomis. I've texted him. I've called him. I'm not getting any answer. I hope it's okay. I don't know what's going on. So let's do this. To your point, we'll move Baker up and if Lomis is available, we'll do Lomis on the back.


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[Assistant] Modern years, yes. What was it? A Tray Lance? Tray Lance. I thought it was, but here's what they did guys. There was a, they made a bad pick.


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[Assistant] It's one thing to make a bad decision, but we said that the Browns doubled down on a bad decision by giving Jed Wills the fifth year. Now they're tripling down on a bad decision by keep trotting a guy out there that looks like he's playing in a potato sack. So when you make a bad decision,


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[Assistant] It's incumbent on getting yourself out of that situation as fast as you can.


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[Assistant] The combo of the two, it was just all time awful. And you know what they did? Once they realized, and they gave them two really good chances to be good, once they realized, we made a terrible mistake, they washed the dirt off their hands.


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[Assistant] And they all couldn't say enough about how fast he processes everything. How he's going, one read's not there, two reads not there, boom. Making the right call at the line of scrimmage, seeing what the defense is in, finding out the best spot, and they even said at one point that he will be the first to tell you.


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[Assistant] And that's to me after hearing that conversation. And I've always thought this because I thought Bernie was the same guy. Bernie was, not only was Bernie not gifted skills from a skillset, he was handicapped with the skillset. He was able to


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[Assistant] I did. And I think the reason the Niners felt they saw enough is because Garoppolo having success with Shanahan. Shanahan knows he's looking at this guy going, it's just not it.


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[Assistant] I've never, I said this before, the only situation, that's why it's really interesting that you brought up that Tim Tebow won a playoff game.


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[Assistant] Tim Tebow is the only player and his was on a national scale that I've seen that's more polarizing than Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] You have to be like, oh, it's good to see so and so rise above it. That story in Dallas and his life is so incredible. I always root for him, but I always know what I'm gonna get.


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[Assistant] And here's the thing about that. It's a personal choice. That's your choice. You can do that whenever you want. By the way, it doesn't affect how they play. I mean, we all know that.


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[Assistant] It's easy to root for everybody. You know, I want everybody to do well. But you can't have the teams in your division do well, so I actively root against the Steelers and the Ravens. I felt myself, I felt like I needed a shower after that Steelers game, because I was rooting for people. It was disgusting. I just felt like, can I wash this stink off now?


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[Assistant] And I felt gross as hell about it. Outside of that.


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[Assistant] And you'll hear a lot of pro athletes say this, I don't root for teams, I root for my former teammates that I know and I play. When you cover the sport for as long as I have and you guys have been around it, you meet people that are just easy to root for. I like that guy. Dak is one of them that I just, every time I watch him I'm like, come on man, don't mess this up.


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[Assistant] Yes, I want the whole world. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I wanted to see him come back and play well. I met Baker a number of times, worked with his wife.


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[Assistant] Baker's not an easy guy to root for. He's just not. He says the wrong thing at the wrong time.


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[Assistant] To your point, I need my quarterback in the top five lists of skills. I think one or two has to be better in the clutch than when, than the first quarter.


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[Assistant] Dealings. I never said anything that he felt he had to reach out about. There were a couple of times he actually reached out to ask questions about certain things.


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[Assistant] He's not an easy guy to root for. But the guy I saw in that McAfee clip, to me, I think he showed a little bit of maturity.


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[Assistant] Because I thought, uh-oh, when I first saw that, uh, the clip was posted, I thought, uh-oh, here comes the grenade, he's feeling himself, he's having a good year, here it comes, because we falsely reported a comment that Baker didn't make, that we thought, here he goes again, we all believed it for one reason.


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[Assistant] That's why I'm saying, like, it's hard for me to actively root for this guy because he's Ben.


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[Assistant] That guy. Right. What I saw Friday on the McAfee show, to your point, and the point I started making originally was, he handled it differently. He could have taken a small victory nap and said, you know what, I don't even think about those guys because they are where they are, and we are where we are, and I like where I am a lot better. He could have.


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[Assistant] But you know what he said? Yeah, I really don't know what happened there. And then he went on to say, I played with a mangled shoulder all year and thought I would get a little leeway for that. And they ran me out of town. Yeah. Speaking of a guy with a terrible shoulder. I thought it was a little bit more mature than the old Baker. Who's got a terrible shoulder? John Watson. Speaking of shoulders, yeah, I have a


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[Assistant] However, what he could have said that I didn't hear, and you can say that without giving anything away, we feel really good about where he is.


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[Assistant] I said at the time, you gotta be really careful with doctors making general sweeping statements on somebody they haven't even looked at. He was basing that on the information.


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[Assistant] So Johnny, here's why I think you're the perfect poster child for this. It sounds like your mission is to bring the jocks and the nerds and really just everybody together and break down the walls. You might be the perfect person for that because correct me if I'm wrong, you were at one time a quarterback, a wide receiver, a tight end,


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[Assistant] And a full back. So you've really been doing that inside locker rooms your entire life.


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[Assistant] Then all of a sudden, every eye in the building is on you.


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[Assistant] Size-wise, where do you fit in? I imagine that you would be right in the wheelhouse or maybe on the smaller end. Where are you on the size scale for long snappers?


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[Assistant] When you look at the Browns right now, they're kind of, you know, expectations this season were very high, but now we're at the four game mark. They're two and two. Their defenses looked elite. Their offense at times looked like they played with a bag over their head against Tennessee. They figured it out.


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[Assistant] Who is this team, after four weeks?


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[Assistant] But everybody at the party is a sports fan and you know this person and you know their head is spinning. You're talking about four threes and the bi-week.


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[Assistant] I believe that they, they can have a good game against the 49ers.


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[Assistant] But, they, I mean, as the Ravens prove.


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[Assistant] You can still put up 27 on this defense. And that was an offense that quite frankly has looked pretty pedestrian.


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[Assistant] No texting. There we go! Oh! Day of the bye week. Usually on Wednesday we're excited because, you know, we're getting close to game day.


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[Assistant] What will we do with ourselves on Sunday? I'll try the games. I'm going to. Yeaah, that's all we have.


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[Assistant] We're, we're probably all reading more into this than it is, probably. I think that's fair to say. I think yesterday it was like, why did Stefanski say it that way? Right. He so calculated it. And even though we all thought there's something to it, probably the more you think about it.


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[Assistant] I think to me, we reported after we left the air on I learned I was upstairs in when it happened. Mary K after we left the air, ju


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[Assistant] And I think the lesson here and the takeaway is you always want to, it's a teaching moment. If you're Andrew Berry and you're Kevin Stefanski, you're going to the player and you're saying, you can't tell a reporter that. You can't tell the beat reporter for this team that you think you're going to play.


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[Assistant] Because you, through that comment, set expectations here.


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[Assistant] And that's why. Everybody did. And I think that was, and Mike said it, I think if you're looking for where this train came off the tracks, it was Friday afternoon when Deshaun Watson told the beat writer for the team,


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[Assistant] And that might have been it. We've all had those shots and we know that sometimes they hit the spot and you feel like you're brand new and other times


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[Assistant] Exactly on the right nerve. I know that sometimes it works like gold and other times you're questioning, did they even give me a shot?


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[Assistant] I think as we look back at the entire situation.


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[Assistant] of the hot seat. You know what? I think you're right. You know, I think you're right because we haven't seen that before. Nope. He's always been cool and calm even though he knows that temperature is getting hotter.


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[Assistant] He's always been cool under that pressure until this instance.


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[Assistant] Yes, but I noticed at the end of it, someone said he, it may have been Mary Kay, someone asked a question that was loaded and said, you know, he's in Houston rehabbing and Andrew said, I'm not going to confirm his location. I can tell you that he is resting and he's rehabbing and he's getting ready.


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[Assistant] I wonder why he would be in Houston doing that.


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[Assistant] Now let me ask you about this, uhm, is it protocol?


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[Assistant] When a player is injured like that, to instead of staying with the team and letting the team trainers and have that be team supervised, is it acceptable? Is it the norm? Is it protocol? Is it unusual for a player to go to Houston?


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[Assistant] But doesn't it seem like all signs are he's a go against the Niners? Yeaah. I don't think Andrew Berry, you talk about the message, I don't think Andrew Berry would have said, we expect him to play.


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[Assistant] I think I still would have been lukewarm on that answer and here's why. If now he can't go...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but in the first half, it was close. Yeaah. The second half, they couldn't roll. Even when it was, I know that you guys are going to look at me like I'm crazy, but I am an optimist. I'm trying to say, you know, even when it was 21 to three early in the third, I still felt, look, that's a whole game. Settle down, get a touchdown, get your offense in a rhythm.


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[Assistant] Maybe you guys think it's more extreme than I do because I think there became a point in the game where you had just to throw it. And the fact of the matter is it wasn't working.


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[Assistant] Who's making ultima- I don't think Kevin Stefanski is being told by Andrew Berry how many runs and passes-


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[Assistant] Andrew was very specific talking about we used to be


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[Assistant] that's really good against of just having one card to


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[Assistant] All the other guys that were in, in, and Jason's talked about this once. But he had no power before this regime. Right, but he won the power struggle. He's still here. I'm here. I'm here and all of that. I'm just like. I would love to know. They're never gonna, you know, they're not that transparent with it and other teams do it.


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[Assistant] Teams do it in various ways, but you're not paying your analytics guy what you're paying him.


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[Assistant] is bringing this information to the coach, right? Yes. And depending on the team, it's used more or less probably. Yea, I think that's right. But this idea that Kevin Stefanski has to throw the ball a certain amount of time


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[Assistant] You read into it, if you will. When he was asked about the running back room, uh, excuse me. The wide receiver room? No, no, the quarterback room. Oh, okay, because he's talked about they like their wide receivers. Right.


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[Assistant] Uh, when he was asked about the running back room, he didn't say that. He just said, I like the running back room. Right. So the fact that he didn't say that again, it might be nothing, but anything he says on that situation, there's no, they're not revealing anything on trades and they shouldn't. I hope they don't. That's right.


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[Assistant] The analytics don't show, Leroy, and you know this, if a coach decides, well the analytics tell us we should go for it on fourth and two.


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[Assistant] Other days, those two yards feel like they might as well be 20. And the coach has to be able to factor in game flow and field. And coaches do that. Yea, they do. They do.


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[Assistant] We were all under the assumption he's not gonna play. The day before he came out, he threw the ball once, he left the field and told the trainer, I can't do this. So we were operating under what we'd seen that he's not gonna play. If he can't play, if he can't throw the ball on Thursday and he wasn't throwing the ball on Friday,


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[Assistant] After we left the air, around 1.30 I believe, Mary Kay Cabot sends out a tweet that said, just talked to Deshaun Watson, I'm paraphrasing, he says he expects to play.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that changed the direction of the boat immediately. And so now all of a sudden we went from no, he's not playing to the quarterback himself on Friday afternoon said he's he should be here. Here's the tweet.


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[Assistant] By the way, where do you think the Browns rank this year in terms of percentage of offensive plays that are running plays? Where do you think they rank?


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[Assistant] That's all I'm saying, go ahead. Even with Nick Chubb only playing a game and a half, the Browns are running the ball more than 25 teams at a higher percentage. We don't care about those teams though. And, we don't even have, well, the Browns have a


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[Assistant] And by the way, the six teams ahead of the, the seven teams ahead of the Browns, one of them, most of them don't have quarterbacks, don't have good quarterbacks, or they have running quarterbacks. So, the Browns run it plenty.


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[Assistant] You went and got to Sean Watson to be a passing team.


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[Assistant] By the way, if the Browns run the ball 60% of the time against the Niners and lose, G and J will be complaining they ran the ball too much next week. Guarantee it. Guarantee it! Well, let me tell you this, they won't run the ball 60% of the time. Nobody does. Can't. You won't win that way.


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[Assistant] So. What was the question? So the Immaculate Grid again. Yea, you're supposed to. It lists three teams or statistical accomplishments on the top and three on the side. Right.


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[Assistant] Oh well. It's oh well. Have you ever met anybody else named Pivous? No, but they do exist.


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[Assistant] After that performance, well he was the 9th highest rated defensive player.


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[Assistant] Well Jason said he was alright. He's wrong. I think people disagree and I think this is 100% true. I'd rather have...


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[Assistant] And if you remember, and this is happening again right now, remember with some of those bad brown, well, mostly brown themes.


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[Assistant] Forget Jonathan Taylor. What I'm doing is I'm going to one of the crappy teams in the NFL. Whether it's, whether it's Trent Brown with the Patriots. But what are you going to give them?


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[Assistant] If you try, you know what, I literally just said the other day, I tweeted out, after I saw the, not the Rod, the Rodney Harrison thing. Yea. Where I thought he was just gross in that situation. Right. I tweeted out that like, I'm often,


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[Assistant] If you traded for a guy like Trent Brown or Garrett Bowles, the Browns would go from


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[Assistant] Because the reality also is, with Trent Brown, they could run block really well. And you could, you don't have to have a great back if you have a good offensive line.


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[Assistant] One other thing that you can't, there's no numbers for this. There's nothing.


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[Assistant] Of how much Betonio has to help Wills. And how much Wyatt Teller has to help De'Wanjo. And it's not just the Browns, it's other teams with young players. But you can't factor that in, like how do I know?


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[Assistant] How much, how much of a factor, I think it's easy to assume that that's factoring into maybe their struggles a little bit.


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[Assistant] I think it is, because we've never ever used Joel Batonio's name in anything but a game.


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[Assistant] What is the play call for standing up and just looking around?


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[Assistant] Why didn't the eye in the sky see that and call down and say, look at number 85, he's running free every play.


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[Assistant] Well, I just know that PFF loves him. I know that. There's been games where I thought he was on a milk carton and PFF gives him a 90 cent. But you know how Mike gave that away? Because...


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[Assistant] You know, you had mentioned, and I thought it was hyperbole at the time, you'd said that might be one of the best throws Lamar Jackson has ever made. It was. I've heard two other people say that since. Now, if you go back, it might be prisoner of the moment, Lamar has made some on the run throws 65, 70 yards in the air on a button.


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[Assistant] By the way, I gotta say, Mike, I'm gonna cut you off again. Bad job out of you. All to your frustration. I think you took a misstep here. You should have ended with the Grant Delpit one if we were gonna talk about Grant Delpit next.


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[Assistant] Grant Delpit, guys, has been fantastic. He has played like one of the better safeties in the league. But there is literally no argument for him being the best safety in the league so far this year.


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[Assistant] Jesse Bates has a higher overall PFF grade, has a higher run, uh, run defense pass grade, has a higher pass defense pass grade, has more interceptions, has more first


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[Assistant] Forced fumbles, has more passes defended, and has more tackles. So what has Grant Delpitt done better than Jesse Baker?


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[Assistant] Get what you, what you presented. Jesse Bates has forced five turnovers.


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[Assistant] You're not listening. I said he's forced five turnovers, three interceptions, two forced fumbles.


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[Assistant] Okay, so that includes run plays as well. Well, I'm saying as far as 53 more snaps. You can't, you can't, your argument for Delpit can't be he's better because he's had less opportunity. That doesn't make any sense. Well, Deion Sanders didn't get a lot of opportunity either.


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[Assistant] Well, the guy who doesn't do everything has forced fumbles, does he not? And a better run...grave.


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[Assistant] You know a lot more what to look for than I do. Like talking about the best safety in the league. We've probably seen 12 this year. What do you mean? We've seen 12.


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[Assistant] We've seen ours, we've seen the Ravens. I haven't really watched Jesse Bates. I'm just going based on the numbers and Bates has got them on the numbers. I'm not watching the.


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[Assistant] Based on the PFF grades, Juan Thornhill has not played very well. Richard Sherman is calling Divas.


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[Assistant] He got schooled on every single drop back on Monday night.


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[Assistant] He had to be, I think he got beat six times.


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[Assistant] Calvin Anderson of the Patriots. Evan Neal of the Giants. Who's also a turnstile. Uh, Vedarian Lowe of the Patriots. So the Patriots have two of the bottom five tackles.


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[Assistant] Jawan Taylor are the Chiefs, and dead last is Dan Moore, the best of the Steelers. Yea Taylor, I watched Taylor.


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[Assistant] Anything surprise you with the way it was phrased? He didn't announce he was retiring. No, that's true. He said it was the right time to go. Yeaah. Yeaah, I mean, you know, when you're a baseball lifer like Frank Kona,


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[Assistant] I'm sure he's never gonna rule anything out. Chances he manages somewhere again.


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[Assistant] Yes. Yes. I actually went to Birmingham to do a story when I was working in Columbus because Michael Jordan didn't even know this, but he had a teammate of his that also hit a game winning shot to win an NCAA basketball championship. Oh really? His name was Scott Tedder. He played it, I think capital or


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[Assistant] One of the Columbus area schools, but it was division three. So you was going to cover him? No, what we did was we put Tedder's highlights together, including the buzzer beater. One of those old VCR TV combos that was run off a battery. And I chased him around for three days until he would finally look at it.


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[Assistant] And when he saw it, he couldn't believe that he had a teammate that also, like him, hit a last second shot to win an NCAA championship.


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[Assistant] And I would say in the Francona since he came. Oh yeaah, without a doubt. Uhm, you know in the previous 11 years they made the playoffs once. In the last 11 they made it 6 times.


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[Assistant] History will record that what was missing were the dollars. The payroll.


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[Assistant] Give Tito a chance. The payroll doesn't guarantee anything. No it doesn't.


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[Assistant] In the last couple of years, has made a lot of mistakes. Overall, in their tenure, the Guardians have had an excellent front office. But in the last couple of years, this year, especially this year, but really the last couple of years, I mean Bull, they made two off-season pickups and both of them were gone by August 1st. Right.


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[Assistant] No, because I know Minnesota's gonna make a move. Uhm, I think that they're in the same situation as the Browns were. They have a rookie as a backup, so they didn't have any veteran presence there. And I think that for them,


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[Assistant] They have an unproven rookie. See with us, they have PJ Walker who played a little bit in the league and he's won some games. He's 2-1 as the Brown starting quarterback, so.


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[Assistant] I think that they think that they're more secure because they kind of know what they got.


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[Assistant] And you gotta make sure that you keep this roster, you know, make them think that, hey, we still, they still believe in us and we still have a chance. So going to get a guy like James Winston, a guy that's proven, a guy that can get the ball to Justin Jefferson and Gordon Addison.


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[Assistant] Like I think that that would keep that roster still motivated. To where as Cleveland...


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[Assistant] So, do I think the players believe in him? When I listen to them talk in post game, yes, they sound like they do. However, I do believe that there is some frustration in the wide receiver room because if you look at the tape, it's guys that's running wide open and he's missing.


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[Assistant] And I think for him, I think that their game plan is, Kevin's like, listen, this is what you're gonna do. You look for Amari Cooper, you look for the check down, if not, throw the ball away. I don't think he's actually going through reads and progressions like, this is cover two. So in cover two, this is one, this is two, this is three. I don't think that's what he's doing.


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[Assistant] So that's the thing, like, Kevin Stefanski's putting them in a position to win. And it's miraculous that they're 2-1. Mike, what do you think?


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[Assistant] Why not? He's been in the league for 15 years. Because Mary Kay said yesterday that the Brawls are not going to change to what they want to do. They want to get guys that are like Deshaun Watson so they don't have to change their entire... Well, Jacoby Percept's not like Deshaun Watson. And that's why they haven't traded for him.


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[Assistant] That's right. Well they tell you they beat the 49ers with PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] You know, there are some big names out there that potentially can be traded. You know, Chase Young, Montez Sweatt, uhm, Marquise Brown.


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[Assistant] Saquon, do you anticipate any of those big name guys? Maybe even Devonta Adams. Do you picture any of those guys getting moved today?


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[Assistant] Alright Mike, well let me put you on the spot after giving what everything you just said. Do the Browns make the playoffs this season?


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, the only choice that he has is that the coaching staff probably be going and he'll have a new coaching staff. I don't see why you would want to play like that. I don't buy it. That's the thing, as a former athlete, there is no way that I'm going out there and I'm just about to sell us. I'm not selling the team.


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[Assistant] I think it's why have they waited so long because technically he doesn't fit the Deshaun Watson play style.


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[Assistant] So maybe they thought, you know, let's give PJ Walker a couple more games out there and see what we got. Because there is something to grow off of. Like I said, going down 14-0 and coming back, that is something to grow off of. But at the end of the day, the biggest difference between those two,


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[Assistant] Is that Jacobi Brissette is known for taking care of the football. He and PJ Walker is known for turning it over. And I think that right now is the biggest difference because I think the Browns lead the NFL in the turnover margins right now. Their second. By the Raiders. That's still off. It's still not.


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[Assistant] Well, everybody, I know Florio's saying that, you know, that they don't want to get rid of them, but everybody got a price, you know, that you will, you never come out and say, we're looking to move on for this guy, because if you say that, then we can just throw you in.


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[Assistant] Hold on, before we move on, is Marquis...


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[Assistant] David Bell. David Bell is the healthy guy everywhere.


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[Assistant] He has zero births. So the thing is, I seen this report come up about him, like, maybe last week. And I was explaining to a buddy of mine, he was like, yeah man, if we get Dalvin, we'll be back. And I'm just like, there's a reason that the Jets, if he's good, he would be getting a ton of carries with the Jets.


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[Assistant] I think I gave it, what'd I give it, a six, I think? You did, you did. Wow, I was surprised it was only a six? Yea, I know. I tried to leave my Buckeye biases out of it. The reason being, I think he would, I think they could make that trade and he could come here, he could be, he can re-energize his career. Problem is, you'll have to pay him after the season's over with, and that's the problem for me.


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[Assistant] If they're negotiating with the Browns?


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[Assistant] It's kinda limited to what they do, where Jim Schwartz is kinda like...


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[Assistant] You got guys that's rotating in that's really, really good. So if you're rotating in for miles after miles that went like three plays with this tackle, he's worn down. Now I can hit it with my best move and I'll be effective. So I think it will work out.


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[Assistant] I just don't, the re-signed part at the end is the reason why I couldn't give it all away.


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[Assistant] So what I just, to be honest with you, I think in all of football, I don't think outside of Hunter from Minnesota, outside of him, I think it's very harder to get sacks nowadays.


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[Assistant] Alright. I think that might be the biggest thing with the offense. It's an attitude thing. Like defensively I think the whole attitude changed and that's why you get the results. As far as the offense guard, there's no dog over there.


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[Assistant] There's no dog, no attitude to that offense. Nah, Kareem Hunt would give you some, but he's not every down, so.


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[Assistant] None of the old linemen are dogs on the offense? You tell me.


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[Assistant] That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying they're... I don't think they have that swag. So you want that.


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[Assistant] Defensively, yes, we are there. I said offensively, I don't see it. No, no, okay. I see what you're saying. Okay.


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[Assistant] But they got, but see, but you just named two dudes on the offense. And you know, you know Joe is like that. So the number one guy. Raven's got Lamar. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I'll give him a seven. I think he's, he is a piece on the wide receiver core because he brings that speed. He got that deep play making ability. Uhm, I think that that would be a nice.


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[Assistant] Because Elijah Moore hasn't been the vertical threat that I thought he would be this year. They're kind of using him in and out. And I still, I don't even think the Browns pushed the ball down the field, do they?


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[Assistant] But that's it, yeaah, but he's like the only one, even when Deshawn's there, like they don't really push the ball down the field and I still, and to me it sounds like it's the same thing that we was talking about last year, so I think Marquise Brown or Hollywood Brown is actually a vertical threat. He does have some catching things, but he still makes plays and I think he can be a nice little spark in the right receiver room, so I give it a 7.


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[Assistant] The Raiders just said they would not trade them. Now, is that true? That's what you gotta say.


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[Assistant] What's your best offer? What'd you say you gonna give us on? Takee.


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[Assistant] Well, he'll sit there and say, he'll be on Dashaq coming back next week, right?


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[Assistant] The reason that Brissette would make more sense or more impactful is not just from uh, he's better than PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] When he walk, if that team find out that Jacoba Brissette coming back, they gonna throw a party. Yeaah. Like, oh my god, my boy is coming back, man, we good. Like, yeaah, I think that, yeaah, it'll bring the energy back. And I think they go out there and have a really good game. Now, as far as the game plan goes, I don't know how much you can throw at him in his first week, but.


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[Assistant] Does that, Trav, does that, now that you know that Josh Dobbs wasn't that great, how does that make you feel about that trade from Andrew Barry?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, what, the Deshaun, I think Pam Oliver, uh, reported it on the game day about Deshaun Watson potentially going on IR. Is that really, do you think that that, what's the likely scenario that that is where this shoulder has come to?


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[Assistant] You know why they didn't initially put him on the four game once the, uh, showed her first, uh, I guess after the Tennessee game.


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[Assistant] I'm going to say Ethan Pochick, Jed Wills, DeWine Jones.


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[Assistant] I'ma say DP, I'ma say just in that order right there, how it's listed. Unfortunately.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I'm going with Moe first, Miles second, Zedarius. No, yeah, yeah, Moe, Miles, Zedarius. I'm going Miles, Moe, Zedarius.


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[Assistant] You know, just to be different, I'm going to say, Del Pit, J.O.K., Anthony Walker.


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[Assistant] Because this offseason, J.O.K. worked with De'Quell Jackson, so if anything, we need to give credit to De'Quell Jackson because whatever happens with J.O.K. is strictly because of De'Quell Jackson.


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[Assistant] So Emerson is first, Emerson, Ward, Newsome, the reversal.


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[Assistant] Denzel was last. Guess he had an impact on the game.


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[Assistant] There's nothing new now. They lost this thing. Now I need to get my true or false belt back. That, that's, that has to happen.


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[Assistant] Well if you ask him directly, it might take him a couple of hours, but he will respond.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, no, no, because if you make a trade for a quarterback outside of the name Jacoby Brissette, I don't, they're not even ready to play.


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[Assistant] You would have to start them so they can get their feet wet because you're growing up against them.


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[Assistant] But it's Arizona though. Not saying that Arizona can't win because they can clearly come in there and win the game. They beat Dallas. But I'm just saying. I'll be surprised if they trade.


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[Assistant] I don't know the answer. What do you think?


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[Assistant] I played with a young guy who made their first start on my team, with Nick Mullins. Uhm, I don't think so. I don't think I went up against him.


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[Assistant] You have to look at what they do well. I mean you have to look at their tendencies because the game plan for him is probably going to be


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[Assistant] Dwindle down just a tad bit. They won't throw the whole kitchen sink at him. So it'll be a modified game plan.


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[Assistant] So, and after the first quarter, you'll know, and this is, it's really like this with a lot of teams. After the first quarter, you kind of know what you're going to get, what type of concepts they're running in the passing game, how they're trying to block you, and then it's up to you to make the adjustments. But to come out in that first quarter,


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[Assistant] You be aggressive because you want to see how he handles pressure. You want to see how he handles adversity. So you throw some people in there because having a guy like Miles Garrett, that's already gonna be where his mind is at. So he's gonna have happy feet to begin with. He might be, if this is his first NFL start,


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[Assistant] He might be like PJ Walker where he got a one read and then I gotta get rid of him because the pressure rate, the Browns are second in the NFL in pressure rate, so I gotta hurry up and get my read. If it ain't there, I gotta throw a check now right away.


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[Assistant] He is. You know what the sad thing is? I had a chance. He threw me a pick and I dropped it. Not only did I drop it, the dude ended up catching it. And he's still a starter? He's still a starter. Is it garoppolo? It is not garoppolo.


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[Assistant] Go ahead, Tyves. It is Derrick Carr. Derrick Carr threw me a pick and I dropped it. It was a shame. I laid out for it like this and it went off my head. You have the video of it?


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[Assistant] No, I don't. I got the game saved at my in-laws house, but yea, he threw it. So I told you, I was going up against the runner back. This was, when I became a starter, I watched film all week, cause it was a Thursday night game, so I watched film for like three straight days.


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[Assistant] The tendency that I seen was when this running back, cause they had two running backs, but the one running back who they use in the third down situations, he was like their pass catcher.


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[Assistant] On this play, I'm playing down safety, we playing, uh, one man, or one hole, which means that I got the, my responsibility is the running back. So when he came out the backfield, he came up to me and he hit me with the move.


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[Assistant] And he like faked inside real good and I took a step.


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[Assistant] And as I took the step, I said, wait a minute, he goes outside every time. So I ran out of it. And as I ran out, I looked back, the boy was right there. I laid out for it like this.


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[Assistant] I was talking to Kamp Chancellor all week. He was like, he was telling me, when you get out there, this is what you gotta do at safety. He was like, giving me a bunch of notes. He said, don't worry, I'm gonna be watching. I get to the hair, I get to my phone and the hair.


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[Assistant] Let me remind you what you did the last time. Now you can see all the glaring mistakes that you made. So now you go out there, you know what to expect. You know where the pressure is coming from. You know what type of coverage is there running. This is what you miss. Make sure you don't miss it this time. By the way, news from Ohio State.


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[Assistant] You gotta make a fake. Anytime you can get more Buckeyes on your team, your chance is a winning goal.


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[Assistant] You know why? Because he's worked better when he's done it.


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[Assistant] Well, we gonna wait till Friday. Now you got both of them trying to figure out who they want. Now you got wire receivers thinking about who I need to get the chemistry with. It's too much. Name it. Don't look back. It is what it is.


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[Assistant] And do you know that they sent me to the, to the, to the side where the guys that work out at?


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[Assistant] I think for sure he would want to come back. Anytime you could have the chance to be a starting quarterback and you were successful in that offense and you know those guys, you know you have built chemistry and a relationship with that guy and that coach, you want to go back there for sure.


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[Assistant] And then the Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley, it ain't happening.


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[Assistant] I tell you what though, if they did, he fit the black and mobile part.


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[Assistant] Why they gave up on him? They gave up on him because, I don't think they gave, yea they did. The reason they gave up on him is because they realized that he was overwhelmed in his performance. He didn't have a chance to really read the coverages and they needed to win games.


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[Assistant] He better have a bunch of G. Bush panda merchandise.


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[Assistant] Well, y'all saw the game. You know what it was. I'm just echoing the sentiments of how we feel.


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[Assistant] Wait, who got your office? We're not gonna air dirty laundry.


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[Assistant] We brought Jason upstairs to the new office. He was the first visitor. Right. And I ran all these trades by him to make sure from an outside perspective, cause he's not here today.


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[Assistant] Is the compensation at least in the ballpark of where it should be, and do these make any sense? And Jason, one of them, he was like, I'm mad at myself for not thinking of that. So that's a little teaser for later in the show.


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[Assistant] I mean, if he's like 90, 95%, I think I would roll a dice, but to be completely honest, if they can beat San Francisco with PJ Walker at quarterback, I know it's in any given Sunday, any team to win in any situation, but with this defense playing at the level it currently is.


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[Assistant] I don't think the risk in the immediate future is, or the reward in the immediate future of one win is worth risking what could be a 10 game stretch towards the end. Plus I think PJ Walker, despite the numbers not looking great,


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[Assistant] He did what he was asked to do for the majority of the gaming in San Francisco.


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[Assistant] And that's all you can really ask for a guy who's being elevated from the third string, from the practice squad, against a defense like that, so.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure there's a player in football who's been better this season without the traditional stats backing up what he's done on the field. He's top 10 in almost every pass rushing analytic in terms of pass rate win rate, fastest time to pressure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this weekend, when I was at the tailgate, I got a bunch of questions about


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[Assistant] I gotta read and then it is time to do a little PFF versus the eye test, which has become one of my favorite things because sometimes I do think we are smarter than the analytic people who get paid to analyze stuff.


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[Assistant] To hopefully see our team move to 4-2 on the season. So if you can't check it out, we do post it later, but in a perfect world, you guys all watch on Channel 3. If you can't watch on TV because you don't live in Cleveland, you can download the WKYC app on your phone or the WKYC Plus app on your Smart TV to watch us live from 12.30 to 1 on WKYC. Very good.


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[Assistant] And with that, it's time to do a little eye test versus PFF grades. And we've done it different every time this week. I'm running out of ideas. So we may just pick one that we like the best moving forward. But I'm going to give you three guys today in a certain category. So category three options. You tell me who doesn't belong and then we'll discuss whether or not.


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[Assistant] The PFF graders, evaluators, simulations, however they come up with these grades.


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[Assistant] The highest graded player is going to give you three names. One of these three is not one of the three highest offensive players. Before I give you the names.


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[Assistant] Before I give you the names, these are people that really played. You had to play at least 25 snaps to be qualified for these. So no one's gonna be a weird outlier. He graded a 90 because he played two snaps. These are all guys who legitimately contributed. So three names, two were in the top three, one was not. The three names.


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[Assistant] David Njoku, Amari Cooper, and Dewan Jones, who's the oddball out here who was not a top 3 graded player by PFF on Sunday.


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[Assistant] So we have two for Njoku, one for Dewan, and we have zero correct answers. Believe it or not, David Njoku was the highest graded offensive player on Sunday, according to PFF. Dewan Jones, the second highest graded player.


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[Assistant] In one blocking, which is part of their overall grade, he graded out at a 76.4, his past catching grade, which is what we all thought he excelled at.


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[Assistant] So you say PJ Walker should not be in the bottom three. I'm going with Elijah Moore. You're going Elijah Moore should not be in the bottom three. Tyvis, who are you saying should not be in the bottom three?


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[Assistant] So, Jay, who just quit on PFF has gotten this one right. Let's see the grades. PJ Walker was the lowest grade of Brown on either side of the ball with a 26.4 grade. DPJ a 51.7, Elijah Moore a 57.6. That was their fifth lowest grade.


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[Assistant] With the overall highest graded defensive players for the Browns. Two of these guys.


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[Assistant] So Jayce quit PFF and then he just completely agreed with PFF's evaluation. JOK was the highest graded player on either team in this game. The highest grade of his career. He graded out at an 89.8. One of the five highest linebacker grades in the NFL this season. Miles Garrett, by the way.


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[Assistant] Never grades below a 70. Despite having four pressures against Trent, uh, Trent Williams, it was his lowest-graded game in over a year.


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[Assistant] Alright, we got two more before we welcome in Mary Kay here. These are once again the lowest-graded Browns defensive players. So two of these guys graded the lowest and the second. One of them isn't, just making sure they're on the same page. I've got Taki Taki, Delpy, and Zedarius Smith. I'm going with Taki Taki. Yeaah. Taki Taki. As who didn't.


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[Assistant] Three for Zedarius, three correct answers. Zedarius Smith, the fifth lowest defensive grade, but frankly, he did not great out great and you can take it if you want. Takitaki and Delpit, uh, their lowest graded games of the season as well.


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[Assistant] Alright, last one. These are the highest graded defensive backs from the Browns on Sunday. Which one of these is not one of the three highest graded defensive backs? You have Thornhill, Denzel Ward, and Roddy McCloud.


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[Assistant] You guys know how my brain works. I can't sit still. So, over the bi-week I started thinking a little bit about this.


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[Assistant] Doing some research, making some phone calls to see what compensation might be. And I, I think I've come up with five real trades and one that's way out there but would be a lot of fun that I think you guys are gonna enjoy. So here's how we're gonna do it. Before each of these trades, because last time we did fake trades, everyone was like,


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[Assistant] This will never happen. This, so I made it very simple. We'll make graphs to show you guys where on the axis of real and fun does this hypothetical trade fall. So for each one, you're going to see a McNugget, or it's actually my face on a graph to show you how I think, how realistic and fun this trade would be. So these are all trades I would like to see the Browns consider moving forward.


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[Assistant] The first one is a Cortland Sutton trade. And on the, uh, graphic, Steve.


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[Assistant] And I'll tell you why in a sec, but here are the details of the trade. The Browns would receive, Cortland and the receiver from the Broncos in exchange for a fourth round pick and Cam Mitchell. Here's why it makes sense.


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[Assistant] The Broncos are an absolute catastrophic dumpster fire. Sorry Anthony. And they are looking to recoup any and all assets humanly possible.


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[Assistant] In the world where Jimmy Haslip says, f it, money doesn't matter. Is this the right compensation? Would you take court? No, no, I would not do it.


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[Assistant] Alright, this next trade was Jason Lloyd's personal favorite. Oh good.


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[Assistant] And a six on the realistic level. Okay. Could I interest you guys in Saquon Barkley? No, my god. For a third round pick. To do what? You think the Giants are gonna trade him for a third round pick? The Giants are tanking. I understand that. He's under contract for zero games after this year. He's on the franchise tag. Right.


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[Assistant] If nothing else, he adds a receiving threat to the backfield. That's true. Which they started to utilize more this past week with the screen game with Kareem Hunt. Say what you want about Kareem Hunt. Say Kwan, at least in that aspect, adds a whole new element to this offense. As far as a Yak receiver.


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[Assistant] The Giants are trying to recoup assets. They have nothing to play for. They are 1 in 5. They are flat out tank mode. And he is going to be a free agent that they are not going to re-sign. So if you get a third round pick back for him, the Giants, I'm telling you the Giants would gladly take it.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying, a third feels about the right value for half a season of Saquon.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you're trying to get a new quarterback, and you have to have the lowest- Wait, how can you get a new quarterback? You just paid Jones! He's- yeah, he's only a two-year deal. He's out after next year.


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[Assistant] This is a only if you're not confident that Sean's coming back, but in that instance, and we'll go through this one quick because it sounds like he's going to be back. So we're going to run through this, but would you give the Vikings a second for Kirk Cousins? Yes. What's his contract situation?


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[Assistant] In 1pm games, he's top 10. In anything that's not a 1pm game, he's... Is that a fact?


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[Assistant] This one I think is a little more realistic. I actually like this one a little more. It's got a seven and a seven on the realistic and fun level deal.


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[Assistant] When I'm looking at guys the Browns could acquire, you have to take a little realism here. It's guys who were in the last year of their contracts, because they're not going to take out money for next year, which eliminates a lot of the big names.


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[Assistant] You gotta look at tanking things. And what about Hollywood Brown? What if they traded Marquise Brown and a 6th for a 3rd round pick this year and a 5th round pick next year? Marquise Brown entering the last year, or he's in the last year of his contract. We already know AB and the GM in Arizona have trade chemistry that made the Dobbs trade. So a 3rd and next year's 5th for Marquise Brown and a 6th round pick this year.


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[Assistant] It's easy to make trades for like any team before the season, but the Rams aren't going to trade Cooper Cup now, so.


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[Assistant] We got two more. I wanted Bull here to be for the next one because Bull kind of inspired this. He had mentioned Trent Brown before, so I tried to figure out a deal to bring Trent Brown, the offensive tackle from the Patriots, another team who thought,


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[Assistant] They would be in contention this year has been an abomination. This one's not that fun because it's for an offensive lineman, but I do think it is a chance of realistic possibility to happen. Even though the Browns aren't going to trade for a tackle, they're committed to Jed Wills. This is probably their most realistic target. The reports out of Boston that the Patriots are listening to trade offers for Brown.


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[Assistant] No teams have been mentioned, but would you give a third and a future six for Trent Brown, who's a top five graded PFF, which once again, PFF.


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[Assistant] Alright, we got one more here, Jay. This is, this one is the, let's just throw a wrench and everything, have a lot of fun with this. On the scale, there is a zero point, Steve, take the, take the graph here. This is zero point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero one percent chance this happens. However,


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[Assistant] It is a 10,000 on the fun. G Bush, we talk about not having weapons in the receiver room. Let's talk about having too many weapons on the defensive line. Let's add.


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[Assistant] The league's top ranked sack artist to the Browns defensive line. What if I could tell you the Vikings would be willing to part ways with the Neil Hunter, David Crestenberry, and a sixth round pick for our second round pick, our third round pick, Jed Willis Jr., Donovan Peoples Jones, Austin Watkins Jr., and a giant pile of cash.


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[Assistant] Let's bring home the third and maybe the most talented of the trio. Him alongside with those guys makes a lot of sense. Hunter, the last year of his deal. Once again, this will never happen.


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[Assistant] Oh, Anthony Barr, Eric Kendricks, those guys both are deadcap hits this year.


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[Assistant] You guys are both tied for first, and I'm in third. I have the most points in the league. So, I'm third with the most points in the league.


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[Assistant] Freddie B says McNuggets is the GM for the Buffalo Wild Wings.


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[Assistant] Uh, Evan419 says, Mikey, my middle name is Celan McNuggets. And Freddy B says, McNuggets making savannah bananas levels trade. So, uh, more popular with you guys than it was in the chat. You win some, you lose some. Uh, and hopefully when Saquon Barkley's a brown, the apology is as loud as the disrespect. So, G, how about Amani Bates?


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[Assistant] Bickerstaff real quick while we're pulling it up. Bickerstaff said we're fortunate that Imani is here and I think he's fortunate to be here because the pairing works. He also said he has a chance to be in the rookie of the year conversation had he been drafted in the lottery. But not here. Well, rookie of the year conversation would mean this season in Cleveland. No, if he wasn't drafted here,


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[Assistant] Of all the sporting events watching with him, the Cavs winning on Father's Day in 16 will always be the most special. Uh, Vernell Jackson says Jim Schwartz was the best free agent acquisition in the NFL so far very much making a case. So James Bowen said, Hey guys,


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[Assistant] I missed yesterday, but wanted to ask why are we not using, uh, Marquise Moore? He's a burner. Hasn't gotten many opportunities, but we saw on Sunday one rush for 20 yards. He should be in the end arounds over Elijah Moore. We talked about that earlier. Jackson said give it up for Jackson Heights own.


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[Assistant] Someone in the chat, someone in the chat just pointed something out that I had to double check before I confirm on air, but the Cavs won by 31 points yesterday and let me make sure it's real before I say it.


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[Assistant] He was the leading scorer, he was the only player in the cast without a positive plus minus in the box score.


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[Assistant] I am doing well. Thank you guys. We have a busy, busy show, so we're gonna hop right in. We're gonna talk David and Joke in one sec. Before we do that, if you want live text message updates from the Browns 49ers game, from the press box, from Jason Lloyd, three froms in one sentence, you gotta become a member of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show and honor


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[Assistant] Members only community tab, you could find the special code to text into our Haymarket number to get signed up for that exclusive Jason Lloyd text list coming up. So make sure you guys check that out. There you go.


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[Assistant] That is post-face scrape, by the way. That is, right. That is. This is the immediate aftermath. Yeaah. Wow.


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[Assistant] Him playing that Sunday was straight up pain tolerance. That was, can you put a helmet on or are you in too much excruciating pain to play? It wasn't like he couldn't move his arms or his legs or he had a strain in his hamstring. This was straight pain tolerance.


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[Assistant] And just for right now, but despite him looking like that two weeks ago, this dude's an absolute freaking warrior as tough as it comes to play on Sunday, to then go through the facial scraping, which does not sound fun in any capacity. He obviously looks much better afterwards, but.


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[Assistant] This dude's a freaking warrior and if they have a game on Sunday, I fully expect David and Jokey to be out there for the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] A little behind the scenes stories, some internet death threats and all the above. A lot of fun episode. Make sure you guys check it out. Mary Kay Cabot just tweeted out within the last minute and I quote, Anthony can throw it up when you're ready.


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[Assistant] Brown's quarterback, Deshaun Watts, is not scheduled to speak with the media again today. Didn't do so yesterday either for his regular weekly appearance. He sat out Wednesday's practice. We'll see about today. We'll find out practice later this afternoon. Deshaun, however, not speaking to the media, which leads us right to our main topic of the show, Jay. There has been some mixed messaging from the Brown Brain Trust. Over.


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[Assistant] Two weeks out from the initial report of Deshaun being hurt. We didn't know about it until Wednesday after the Tennessee game.


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[Assistant] Do you think this could be the sign of a bigger picture issue with the Brown's brain trust? Maybe a little fracture showing through the signs?


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[Assistant] Oh, he said that? I believe he said that. DP Day said quote, I'm not sure who will be catching passes from us today.


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[Assistant] This is after the Steelers game. Tuesday we're speaking to the media. The communication gotta be better. Fundamentals gotta be better. You can't blame anyone other than myself, but we need to communicate better all around.


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[Assistant] He's running out of time. Jay, I'll keep looking for that quote, I cannot find it. Channel 3 ran it, if that helps. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do as much as I can to find it. Cause I saw it on, we ran a whole thing. If you guys need Brown's gear for the upcoming season, head over to Fanatics.com slash UCSS for all your swaggy, comfy...


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[Assistant] Stylish. BrownsGearFanatics.com slash UCSS is the place to get all your BrownsGear. Not just for yourself, but for your friends, families, the holiday season approaches. Once again, that is Fanatics.com slash.


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[Assistant] UCSS. And with that, let's bring in our guest. It is Brian Peacock of the lockdown 40 honors podcast. Also the host of the Peacock and Williamson NFL show on the lockdown network. Brian, we appreciate you making some time with us this morning. How you doing, man?


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[Assistant] If you want to see any more of Brian Peacock, you can find him on the Locked On 49ers podcast or the Williamson and Peacock show on the Locked On NFL Network. Shout out to some guys in the chat real quick. Shout out to Jarell Jack, Phil Bowman, KR Thunder, and Skilly.


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[Assistant] Not a single unanimous answer. And most of these. Good job out of you. Were pretty even splits. Only two were pretty heavy on one side of this. Are you guys ready to play a little No Fence Riders NFL edition? Let's get it done. All right, Steve, are you ready? Question number one. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Well, Myles Garrett have more sacks on Sunday than Nick Bosa.