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[Assistant] J, I like where you were going. I was very similar mindset. And if you want to take mine here, you're missing one thing. The most iconic image in all of Cleveland. Anthony, please take this where we go. Tim Misney's eyes have to be across the middle. Tim Misney has to be on this. But the terminal tower also fits.


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[Assistant] No, no, we got tagged in a bunch of tweets this morning. It was a clip from a PFF podcast. It was a 10 second clip out of a 20 minute segment, which I did not watch the full segment. But any notion that David and Joker will be a cap casualty and or as a chance of being cut this off season is pure blast mystery. So we're not even going to address that.


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[Assistant] Let's get to our first real topic, guys, so I'm glad we clarified that. We are talking Guardians Day, we got some Cavs stuff, we got a live report from Jay Tomorrow. You matter, Mike, you matter. And thank you, you know what? So do you. I'm talking to you specifically, not the other 2,000 people out there, just you. Because you do matter in today's world, and you can get buckets on FanDuel because you matter.


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[Assistant] Fan do an official sports book partner of the NBA, an official partner of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, and we haven't had any winning tickets in a while, Bull.


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[Assistant] Cause we haven't had any games to bet on, so I expect a bunch of people to win some money on FanDuel during tonight's Cavs, second half opener against the Magic. If you do have a winning ticket, send it to us at the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, tweet it at us, email to us, and we'll feature it on the show in the coming days. Are you ready for some real football talk? Some football talk that matters.


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[Assistant] So do you know why I did that last night, Bowl? I'm glad you brought that up.


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[Assistant] I was listening to a podcast yesterday. Yeaah. And it talked, and it was not sports. And most of my podcasts are listening to sports. This was about good leadership. Right. Podcast. And it was about, it was a business podcast about kinda getting everyone to buy in. And I know you're going on vacation in two days. And I'm not gonna let you check out.


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[Assistant] Let's get into the real topic of the day here, our lead topic. There have been some rumors, and these are purely speculation rumors. It's not from an official Schefter that the Browns are eyeing Mike Williams or Jeremy Fowler, who's put out something like that. This is just people connecting the dots online, and I thought it was worth mentioning here.


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[Assistant] Mike Williams out in Los Angeles could be a cap casualty. Not David and Joku here, but Mike Williams in Los Angeles could be a legit cap casualty. He has familiarity, familiarity, familiarity with Deshaun Watson from their time in Clemson and the Browns are in the market for a free agent wide receiver. If Mike Williams does get cut by the Chargers,


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[Assistant] How do you think he would fit in with Amari Cooper, Elijah Moore, and David and Joku in this past catcher's room? And would you be excited, ecstatic, eh, or out?


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[Assistant] So in 2020, this is his whole injury history. In 2023, he tore his ACL in his left knee. That was, that was this year in 2022, he aggravated a right ankle injury. He had a right ankle injury, missed a little bit of time.


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[Assistant] Uh, in 2022 earlier, he was helped off the field with a high ankle sprain. So that's probably the same injury. In 2020, he had lower, uh, lower back lumbar sprain.


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[Assistant] Earlier in 2020 he had a thigh and hamstring strain. In pre-season of 2020 he had a shoulder AC joint sprain. In 2019 he had lower back lumbar muscle spasms. In 2015


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[Assistant] So we asked the chat real quick what they thought about the potential of Mike Williams signing. The four options were ecstatic, I like it, just meh, and I don't want them. 45% of nearly 300 votes are in the I like it category, second most in the meh at 37%. So.


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[Assistant] In that middle 2-3 range. We're gonna move on to our next topic here tonight.


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[Assistant] Tonight at 5 o'clock, the ultimate 216 show is back and Earl told me some of what he's gonna do. Oh my god. And I promise you. Don't miss this. That's a bad picture. It's gonna be spicy.


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[Assistant] I don't like it. Take that down, Steve. Take that down. With a much better looking Earl the Pearl in reality that airs at 5 o'clock tonight, so make sure y'all tune in to that. Alright guys, the MVP odds for 2024 have come out.


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[Assistant] And we use FanDuel because it's America's number one sportsbook. It's the only sportsbook we use here on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. And Deshaun Watson is listed among the candidates who are up to bet on for MVP. We're gonna go in order. These are the top five.


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[Assistant] guys with the shortest odds. So the best, most likely options to win the 2024 NFL MVP award. You have Patrick Mahomes at


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know if I love that, but that's not the sake of this conversation.


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[Assistant] Better odds than Lamar? We can talk about that in a sec. Deshaun Watson though, on the list, came in at 75 to 1. Okay. Now to put a little context to that, these are some of the guys around the Deshaun Watson level. You had Anthony Richardson.


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[Assistant] Jared Goff, Justin Fields, Kyler Murray at 50 to 1, Baker Mayfield at 60 to 1, there's Deshaun at 75 to 1, and the quarterback below Deshaun Watson was Bryce Young at 100 to 1. So my question to you, G.


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[Assistant] Not to a nope. Who are you forgetting?


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[Assistant] Uh, Stafford's 11, Tua Rogers and Trevor Lawrence all tied for 12.


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[Assistant] Did you guys ever see, G Bush, did you see the clip of Tua where they reversed the video so it looked like he was throwing righty? And it looked, I swear, it's a mental thing. I'm a lefty, so I am pro lefties. It looks so much better righty.


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[Assistant] Dashaun's MVP at 75-1. Too high, too low, just right. What do you think the chat voted? Too low?


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[Assistant] G? Don't look, I see you on your phone.


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[Assistant] We're talking little calves and play a little game of what's more likely. But first, if you're watching, if you're a member of the UCSS fam, do us a favor, hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. If you want to become a member, we have membership tiers. A buck 99 gets you.


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[Assistant] Special emojis and custom perks in the chat. If you're $4.99, you get the overtime content every day, but-


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[Assistant] Being a subscriber, hitting the like button costs you zero dollars and zero cents. And it helps us out a lot in the back end. So do us a favor. If you haven't make sure you hit the like button and become a UCSS subscriber. All right, guys, we're going to play a game of what's more likely as the cabs and get ready to tip off the second half of their 2020.


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[Assistant] So they play the magic tonight. We'll break down the game tomorrow. There's one question for tonight's game. The other four kind of big picture questions for the cat. So this is what's more likely. I give you two options. You have to tell me what's more likely.


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[Assistant] More heads for this? No, that's for the home runs. Oh, right. For the home runs coming up. But this is just a what's more likely. You'll discuss. I'll give you the two options and you guys decide what's more likely. So we're deciding as a team.


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[Assistant] You can do individually, you can disagree, but the first one is for tonight's game. The other four are for, uh, the big season, uh, big picture outlook. So for tonight's game, what is more likely? Darius Garland scores at least 33 points, or Evan Mobley scoring at least 25.


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[Assistant] This is very common. He hasn't practiced the last two days. JB gave him an extra day off because he just came back from the All-Star break. Very common, nothing to worry about. Uh, he's quite, let's say he's questionable tonight because of illness. He hasn't practiced yet. I wouldn't be surprised if he misses tonight's game.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I'm gonna give you two numbers for the Cavs record for the rest of the season. This is that number or better or that number or worse. 29 games left.


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[Assistant] More likely the Cavs finish the season with a 25-4 or better record, or a 10-19 or worse record.


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[Assistant] If you win 60 games, that is a hell of an accomplishment. In 2008, they won 66 games. In 2009, they won 61, the only two times in franchise history. The team has won 60 or more games.


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[Assistant] Alright, we'll move on to the next one then. You made that one too easy. Okay. What's more likely to happen in one of the last 29 games of the season? Donovan Mitchell scores 60 or more points in a game, or Evan Mobley makes four more threes in a single game?


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[Assistant] He scored 60 points. Has Donovan scored 60? He scored 71 last year. That's right. How did I forget about that? And he ended the season with 40. No, four players have scored 60 points this season.


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[Assistant] Well, he never played in Minnesota, so that could not happen. Utah, Utah. I'll tell you in just one sec.


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[Assistant] He scored over 40 points, and I can't count, because it's not 40. Yea, but over 40 and 60 is a big difference. I know, but I'm just saying, he's been over 40, enough to have to scroll my page two scrolls. Yea, that's fine.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up, Jared Allen. Remember, there's 29 games left. 29. I should have made this next one lower.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna change this on the fly. Over 27 double doubles for Jared Allen, or fewer than 12.


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[Assistant] Actually, we'll keep track of these ones. All right. We have one more that I have one more in my head that we don't have a graphic. All right. Yeah. Okay.


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[Assistant] Two players. This is from now till the end of the season. So forget the first 50, whatever, nine games. This is from now to the end of the season. What is more likely to happen over the next month and a half, two months? Isaac Okoro shoots 45% from three.


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[Assistant] Now for him to shoot better than 40% where he's at right now, these are open corner threes. He just has to shoot a little better. He's only taking two and a half, three a game.


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[Assistant] The difference in Struz who's still taking close to seven threes a game to shoot 40% now and the level of difficulty on Struz's shots.


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[Assistant] I think both is in play. I think Struz numbers will go up regardless. But I think Okura only has to make one or two more over a ten point, ten shot stretch as opposed to Struz who's gonna have to stay hot coming off screens, coming off pin downs, uh, in more contested situations.


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[Assistant] It is true, I just think the level of difficulty on the shot Struce takes to get to 40 in the offense, the Cavs are running with him as opposed to open corner threes for Accursus Struce a little better. He's at 40% on like three and a half attempts per game.


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[Assistant] That's not a giant jump for him to shoot one better.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I don't have, I don't have a graphic, I just thought of this off the top of my head. What is more likely to happen in a game before the end of the regular season? Amani Bates scores 23 points to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Or, and this is a big or,


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[Assistant] Donovan Mitchell scores 52 points in a game. 52 for Donovan, 23 for Aman.


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[Assistant] Amani Bates career high in an NBA game. He scored nine points against the Knicks.


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[Assistant] So the Cavs are back in action tonight. Take on the Orlando Magic. And whether you're going to the game, whether you're watching via Valleys, watching via somehow other stream.


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[Assistant] Whatever you may want to call it. Uh, the Cavs are back and I saw a report over the weekend. The Orlando Magic actually tweeted out this report because their local TV numbers are through the roof this season.


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[Assistant] On the flip side, there are some local markets that are not doing very well in the TV ratings. Steve, you can take this graphic. The Blazers from last year to this year.


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[Assistant] The Phoenix Suns are trailblazers in that category. When Matt Ishby bought the team, he said, I want everyone to be able to watch the product. So I don't know exactly, excuse me, this is not a hundred percent like word for word how he did it, but I believe he bought a bunch of over the like antenna.


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[Assistant] So, I mentioned the Suns. So this is the timeline. So Matt, it should be a Botha team.


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[Assistant] They were being broadcast through Diamond Sports Group.


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[Assistant] Which is part of Valleys. Yeah. Manish B has said, no, not doing that. Cut ties with him. Fired him.


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[Assistant] They're now broadcasting 70 of their 82 games on Grey TV, which is their local affiliate. That's awesome. Here's the better part.


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[Assistant] The Suns had a link on their website that Arizona residents could click and the Suns would ship them a free digital antenna to their house to get the game.


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[Assistant] So it was broadcast via bunny ears, but you could get said bunny ears if you didn't have it. That's a great honor.


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[Assistant] No, I just wanted to put a little bow on that and get ready to talk a little Guardians because they're still on the Valleys app and I guess you can watch through the Valleys app or you can't watch Guardians games. Real quick.


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[Assistant] We'll talk a little Guardians here and some home run projections. And before that at five o'clock tonight, Earl of Pearls back with his ultimate two one six show.


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[Assistant] He's got something spicy that will definitely trigger off some of you guys in a good way, maybe in a bad way, we'll see, but Earl's always up for a little back and forth discussion. It's a live show at five o'clock, so make sure y'all tune in to the Ultimate 216 show at five o'clock. What are you reaching for? Your phone?


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[Assistant] It was up, I believe 43, I'll pull it up right here. I believe it was up 43 from last season.


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[Assistant] Uh, you had 40, up 49, so they would hit 173 home runs, up 49, and as you mentioned, that put them in 20th place instead of dead last.


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[Assistant] So we're gonna go player by player. This is all according to fan graph projections. If you like the over on the home run total, it's a happy face. If you like the under, it is the mad face. Let's start with-


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[Assistant] These are the over-under home run totals for the Guardians, according to Fangraphs. Happy face for the over, sad face for the under. Let's start with Jose Ramirez, the projected home run leader for the Cleveland Guardians. Fangraphs set his home run projection at 27.


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[Assistant] So two yeses for the over, one under from G. Bush. Let's go to Josh Naylor, the guy who will most likely bat behind Jose Ramirez. His projected home run total is 23, according to fan graphs. Over under 23 for Josh Naylor.


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[Assistant] So three overs for Josh Nadler in his two full seasons, or his two fullest seasons, I guess. He had 20 home runs in 2022, 17 in 2023.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up, Andres Jimenez, who was phenomenal his rookie season, took a bit of a step back in 2020.


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, I don't know why I thought it was rookie season, but...


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[Assistant] Oh, that's 25, bro. Alright, next, Mike. Next up, Ramon Laureano, who could be a starting outfielder. I think he's expected, right? That he'll be one of the starting outfielders. We don't have any official word from Steven.


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[Assistant] In 2023, Ramon Laureano had nine home runs.


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[Assistant] The two years before that, he had home runs, home runs, home runs. He had 13 and 14, but in 2019, he had 24 home runs.


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[Assistant] Next up is one of the Guardian's top hitting prospects, Kyle Manzardo. Over under 15 home runs, he's not expected to start in the big leagues. Will most likely be called up sometime in early spring. Over under 15 home runs this season, according to fan graphs for Kyle Manzardo. This is why I don't nobody want to watch y'all.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up is Bo Nailer. The Fangraft Projection. His home runs in 2024 is 14. Are we taking the over or are we taking the under on a 14 home run?


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[Assistant] I got a bag, I got anything else. We got two more G Bush, and these are two of my favorites. The guardians spent four million dollars on Austin Hedges this off season. We just got a text from Jay that said everyone in Goodyear is infatuated and loves Austin Hedges. This is why. But will he hit five home runs? That's the question. This is why.


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[Assistant] When you said Steve doesn't give mafia vibes, he kinda, a little Gustavo Fring.


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[Assistant] Milestraw, two homeruns, over under, for Milestraw.


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[Assistant] Last season, Miles Straw had one home run in 462 plate appearances. Year before I think he had zero, right?


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[Assistant] The year before he had 0, he did hit 4 in 2021 though.


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[Assistant] His home run came against the Tampa Bay Rays on August 11th.


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[Assistant] And if you guys ever wanna listen to those shows afterwards, the beauty is...


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[Assistant] They are archived on YouTube and they're in podcast forms. If you want to listen while you're driving, you can go on Spotify or Apple podcasts, download the ultimate shows. No matter how you find it, they will be there.


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[Assistant] And make sure you guys tune in tonight at 6, or tonight at 5, tomorrow at 5 for G Bush, Ultimate Cav shows on Tuesdays, Ultimate Guardian show coming in March. And those are all available via podcast as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so just, just for the sake of this conversation, we got two super chats at the very end so we can take this almost to the end of the show. But, we know the Guardians aren't gonna drop big dollars for Cody Bellinger or Blake Snell.


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[Assistant] So I figured, let's, let's have a little fun with this.


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[Assistant] Other than 2 million dollars to these players, because I feel like that's about as much as they'll offer.


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[Assistant] What are you offering? Are you going to give him tickets to Aaron's show?


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[Assistant] And we'll sign it, a limited use of the PoppaShot upstairs.


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[Assistant] We can make that happen and I will put him in contact with Jerry Ferrara.


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[Assistant] So Texas' head coach Steve Sarkeesian signed a new deal that bumped his salary to 10 million dollars. He gets to use Texas' president's private jet.


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[Assistant] It's ten million plus two cars, a house, and ten uses of the President A.D.'s private jet for personal trips.


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[Assistant] Happy Friday and welcome to the month of March and welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show on WKYC Channel 3. I'm Jay Crawford. Coming up in the next 30 minutes, amongst many other topics, we will talk about the Cleveland Guardians' refound power. Fluke or is


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[Assistant] Yeah, that is a wild, wild story. We're going to fill you in on all of that and have fun with that. Before we dive into our topics though, I have to say, before the show we were rehearsing the open and Tyvis said, I'm going to tell you why Tristan Thompson is the most important Cavalier.


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[Assistant] And I looked at him and like Tyvis, you're not going to say that. And then you changed it to, is he an important member of the Cleveland Cavaliers?


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about that. But we start with, and this is really a fascinating topic. And I'm not sure if this was a McNuggets topic. I don't know who came up with this, but.


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[Assistant] I think it was you and I thank you for waiting until I got back from spring training because you know how much I love to talk about baseball.


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[Assistant] I see what you did there. Take a look at this, guys.


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[Assistant] I mean, he Cadillac'd it, he stood there and admired it, and why not? That thing was out of the park.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, they've got 8 in 5 games. Now last year in the regular season they finished dead last and they were dead last by a lot. I think they had 127 in 162 games. Correct. It's abysmal, particularly when you consider there was a team that hit more than 300 in the regular season last year. Is this a fluke?


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[Assistant] These guys can't hit. By the way, Miles Straw added 10 pounds in the offseason and it's all muscle. He's completely redeveloped his body. And that tells you what, to your point, they hear the noise. All of the players that I spoke to


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[Assistant] Nobody was as emphatic as Will. Will was like, oh yeaah, we've moved our philosophy. Our point on the horizon has moved.


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[Assistant] Others put it a little differently in saying, look, we, we knew that, uh, we didn't have success last year and you got to keep up with the times. Stephen Kwan talked about that. You've got to be relevant. You've got to play the game that's being played around you. And the game that's being played around them is the three run home run.


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[Assistant] And I do think that there is a, there is definitely an added emphasis this season on home runs. Now I don't know that that's necessarily coming from the Tito to Steven Vogt switch. I think these points on the horizon are developed by the front office and the organization as a whole. And they were all in on the contact and run.


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[Assistant] It worked in 2022. They made a nice little playoff run before losing to a team that hit home runs. The New York Yankees. After watching last year unfold.


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[Assistant] I think it was Will Brennan brought up this point. They lost 31 games last year by one run.


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[Assistant] That's astonishing. That's almost half their losses. With this pitching staff, they are going to be in the vast majority of games. If you can average a half a home run a game more this year than they did last year, which is very doable, extremely doable,


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[Assistant] You turn half of those 31 losses into wins. You win 16 more games last year, you walk to a division title. You walk there. So I think this is a good move by the organization to pivot.


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[Assistant] I only asked that because that would be an apples to apples comparison. As for why they're hitting more home runs this year in spring training, I think yeaah, they're taking more chances with swings, not afraid to swing and miss.


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[Assistant] It's not hard to hit home runs in spring training games. You're pitching against pitchers that no one has ever heard of and that will likely not be on major league rosters.


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[Assistant] Curry got a start and then, uh, yesterday I think was the first day where Gavin Williams threw. He's gonna be one of the five starting pitchers. It's the first time they threw one of their starters. So a lot of things happen in spring training that you can't carry over to the regular season. I would be curious to see how many home runs they hit last spring training because that's an apples to apples.


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[Assistant] I do think they're gonna, they're not gonna finish last in home runs this year. They are gonna hit more than 127. They will not finish in the top five.


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[Assistant] That's a massive, massive leap. Stop it.


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[Assistant] I didn't say first. I know, but the disparity between where they are now and the middle of the pack is a huge leap. You have no faith, Jay. I have a lot of faith, but my eyes don't lie and I don't think they can go from last to fifth.


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[Assistant] We'll see. We will see. Talk to you in October. Alright.


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[Assistant] You can change your colors, the Buccaneers did it. You can change your colors without changing your name or the city in which you play. There is not a city called Tampa Bay. That city does not exist.


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[Assistant] That's true. There is not, the New York Jets and the New York Giants, not only do they not play in New York State, they don't play in New York City.


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[Assistant] They don't call them the New Jersey Giants or the Meadowland Jets.


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[Assistant] And they might in that open, they might say, you know, live from Brook Park, Ohio. When they showed like shots of the silver dome and stuff, they would say Pontiac Michigan, but they're never called the Pontiac.


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[Assistant] So I, I just think that I'm really, I'm disappointed more than anything.


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[Assistant] It's like when a parent says, you know, the worst thing a parent can say to you is I'm disappointed. Because I have more expectations of our fans to think that we would actually now suddenly become the Brook Park


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[Assistant] Well, lately it's been the elf. You know, they brought the elf back.


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[Assistant] I think the problem is that, you know, you bring up a good point, we do have a bit of an identity crisis. Are we elves? Are we dogs? Yeah.


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[Assistant] We gotta take a break. When we come back, we ask the question, is Tristan Thompson


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Shout out to McNuggets and our crack research staff. We asked how many home runs the Guardians hit last year. 26 in 32 spring training games, which is very close to the ratio that they hit.


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[Assistant] I love this topic only because Tristan, uh, because Tyvis changed his answer so, so drastically. The question as it read was how badly did the Cavs need Tristan, Tristan Thompson for the playoff run or do they not need him at all?


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[Assistant] And you on this answer have gone from, oh, he's gonna, the most important Cleveland Cavalier to, is he even one of the important?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I agree with that, the enforcer role. In certain series, there's gonna be some matchups where I don't think he's needed. There will be other matchups where you're gonna need that body, you're gonna need that effort. What I love about him is the effort on the rebounds, the defensive side of the floor. However, I think to properly answer this question, you have to ask another question. Who is Tristan Thompson in 2024?


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[Assistant] Because when a player tests positive for performance enhancing drugs, steroids, HGH,


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[Assistant] You have to ask yourself, why was the player using that in the first place?


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[Assistant] The answer in this case might well be yes. So he may not be the Tristan Thompson without the performance enhancers that we saw in the first half of the season.


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[Assistant] And that's in your DNA. Like, I think he'll still have that. The question is, will he have the energy to bring it while he's out on the floor? One of the reasons that players use steroids, and I'm not sure exactly what he used, we could probably find out.


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[Assistant] Do you know what the benefits of using that drug are? Because some it's recovery.


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[Assistant] Alright, well, you know, the proof will be in the pudding. When he comes back, we'll get a look at what he looks like and I do think there are certain series that the Cavs could potentially play in that first or second round, depending on how the seeding goes, where they could absolutely use the Tristan Thompson that we saw even at the beginning part of this year.


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[Assistant] So he has a role and in the playoffs it's all about roles. It's all about finding the right combinations and the right pairings to go against whatever lineup you're facing at that time. It's just another tool in JB's bag to be able to go to if he needs an enforcer, high energy type guy. So he's important.


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[Assistant] He, I would put him in the mildly important category. Mildly. I would not call him the most important cavalier.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're taking a break. When we come back, what should happen if you find out one of your teammates was actually helping the enemy? It's a curious story and we'll discuss it on the other side.


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[Assistant] Alright, welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. This is a fantastic topic, because if it's true, Mike, I don't know that...


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[Assistant] I don't know that there is one. I can't think of anything worse a player can do.


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[Assistant] And now it's wearing the scarlet letter. Whether or not the story is true or not, there are multiple teammates and multiple media outlets that have looked into this that are claiming it is true.


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[Assistant] You're essentially a traitor. You're helping.


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[Assistant] The other team hand your team and your teammates a defeat because you're not happy with your personal situation. I can't think of a more selfish act a player can do. Is he still getting paid?


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[Assistant] Well, to get to your question, Mike, which ultimately is what would, what should the punishment be? I think the punishment would be to trade that player to your rival so you can clean his clock twice.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that just, when I first read the story, first I read the headline and I'm like, this can't be true.


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[Assistant] But the more I read, the more I was like, man, there's a lot of smoke around this story. It doesn't always mean it's true, but if it's not true, it's a, it's a coordinated conspiracy.


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[Assistant] Plus, ba-da-da-da-da, you're lovin' him. Mikey McNuggets.


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[Assistant] I wonder if for you it's because you played with your son and now you're not playing with your son. Maybe.


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[Assistant] Just this morning, shaved, you know, cleaned up over here. And I cleaned up the cheeks. But this thing, I got to put the beard oil in.


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[Assistant] Mike, before we move on, I gotta mention, uh, real quick, that yesterday, on Thursdays at 6pm, I do a live edition of my podcast, and people have the opportunity to come on camera with me, ask a question, whatever, and one of the two people that came on with me yesterday was our buddy Eddie.


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[Assistant] And I have to say, I love Eddie. He's an awesome fan. He asked me what was probably, and I've been doing this for 20 years, 25 years almost, maybe the dumbest question I've ever been asked in my entire career. Wow. That's saying something because you have commented.


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[Assistant] You wanna share it? Eddie asked me on the air, live on the air he did this. I thought he was joking, but it was a serious question.


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[Assistant] He thinks they should be credited, and he was asking me if I agreed. A touchdown? With a touch?


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[Assistant] He's a huge fan. I'll pull, I'll pull it up. Hold on one sec. Nice guy. He came on, he came on the podcast to ask me a question yesterday and I noticed in his background he had a decent shoe collection. Well, he tweeted out a picture showing his whole thing. I was like, my God.


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[Assistant] Somebody tweeted me, this is an old reference that I'm sure these guys won't get, but somebody, when I tweeted that picture, and it was four pictures like that of his setup, they said, what is that, a Mel DeMarcos' house?


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[Assistant] Very, very well. By the way, oh wait, I gotta say one more thing! One more thing, because I think G and especially Jay, because he will really lose his mind for this, have to appreciate that yesterday, Tyvis did not know who Chris Farley, John Candy, or John Belushi were. Had no clue who any of those guys were.


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[Assistant] Sorry Mike, I've sidetracked you like five times already.


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[Assistant] Let me clarify, because here's what's going on. There are two cases still pending. Yes, civil cases. Two civil cases, no criminal.


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[Assistant] Two civil cases still pending. The one that is referenced in an article yesterday is the one that was actually filed after he settled with all the other people. Correct. The second case was, has been there for a while. But in this one, he's not being asked to testify, he's being asked, he, her lawyer wants him to give a deposition. Right.


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[Assistant] So her lawyer is asking the judge to compel him to give the debt. And he most likely will. He'll most likely.


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[Assistant] Okay, I didn't know that part, but yeaah, you say that. So, uh, obviously Rusty Harden, who's Deshaun Watson's lawyer, doesn't want to do it. Right. We'll see what the judge says. And in the... I mean, look. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Right, so yeaah, so, but the article, this article was written in the USA Today and then Mike Florio


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[Assistant] So, this is what Florio said, it's not a quote from anybody in a legal pers- he said, although he's been suspended 11 games by the NFL for the allegations, the league has not completely ruled out the possibility of further punishment, uh, given the evidence that could emerge in the remaining cases and or the eventual verdicts.


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[Assistant] I think it's unlikely at this point that there's going to be new evidence that comes out. I mean, I guess I shouldn't say that, but it just seems so unlikely. And, you know, if he went to a deposition and said something that incriminated himself, I guess that could be, but that seems unlikely too, so.


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[Assistant] I still think though, gee, that Deshaun is, if I, I mean I would assume that he and Rusty Harden


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[Assistant] We'll still try to settle these last two cases. I know it feels like, well, that would have happened already, but I don't think he wants to leave it in the court's hands. I agree. You know, it's a dangerous game of chicken to play.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, who knows what's going to happen. Right now, this is not really news. No, I didn't see.


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[Assistant] Right, I mean the only thing from our perspective as Browns fans is that until these two cases are dealt with one way or the other,


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[Assistant] It's still hanging out there as a possible distraction for him.


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[Assistant] I mean, listen, I'm not him. I can't make these decisions for him.


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[Assistant] Just being an outsider, I would think that whatever I had to do to settle it just to be done with this. Because once those two cases get settled, I guess that's it. Unless somebody else comes out of the woodwork.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right now I think it's probably just a distraction to him. I don't think it's a distraction to the team. I don't, I'm not inside his head. I have no idea how much of a distraction it is to him.


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[Assistant] But it's gonna be something that on some level he's gonna have to deal with. So I, you know.


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[Assistant] Technically, it wouldn't be the same crime because I mean, it might be the same crime, but with a different person.


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[Assistant] I think at this point the only reasonable excuse for giving him any further suspension


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[Assistant] Everybody's made their decision about what he did or didn't do, fair or unfair, probably unfair one way or the other.


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[Assistant] And I think it's fair to say, well, he got suspended and he had to settle. Maybe he did do something. Who knows what the truth is? Only the women and Watson know the truth. Everybody else talking about it is guessing and has little or no facts to back up what they're saying. But he has been punished heavily by the league.


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[Assistant] Financially, suspension, reputation. All of it. All of it. Never can get any of that back. You're right. I think to me, unless there's


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[Assistant] A criminal thing that happens, to me it's a done deal. I agree. Even if he settles, even if he lost a civil case, if I were the NFL, I don't think you should be suspended more. However, it doesn't change the fact that on some level,


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[Assistant] This is gonna be at least a small distraction for him, I would think.


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[Assistant] So we can go through the laundry list. Is Deshaun Watson being treated fairly or not? I have no idea. We don't, I don't know.


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[Assistant] It does. I mean, we've talked about this before. I, I, I don't know what Deshaun Watson did. My best guess is the truth lies somewhere in between. I agree. Right?


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[Assistant] What that means exactly, you figure out. I know what I mean, but I'm not going to go down that road. It's too complicated.


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[Assistant] I'd have him a little higher, personally.


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[Assistant] I mean, Ryan Tannehill is kind of old at this point too. I don't think he's a little bit black though.


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[Assistant] Got a Pro Bowl knob which we still laugh about. So there's, there's some, at least with Tyler Huntley, there might be some unknown upside. There's nothing, like with Flacco and Tannahill and, and Tyrod Taylor, like we know what those guys are at that point.


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[Assistant] But, everything's on the line with the Browns this year. Everything. If it falls apart for Watson, then the following year, Miles Garrett's gone, Shub's gone, Cooper's gone, you're starting over.


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[Assistant] Which guy you'd want based on, is based on what you're looking for, a starter or a backup. But bring up the list one more time.


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[Assistant] So forget cousins, because Baker and Baker, Baker's gonna go back to the Bucs probably. Cousins, even if he has to go back to Minnesota, is starting somewhere. The other eight guys are most likely backups on this list. So I ask you, who would be your first choice of the other eight guys?


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[Assistant] I would take, this may be a little surprising, but I would take Tyler Huntley of all those because I think he's the only guy of the entire group.


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[Assistant] Who has, and I'm not saying it's likely, but I think there's a chance he has starter upside.


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[Assistant] But I know that the floor of him is competent backup quarterback because we've seen it with Baltimore.


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[Assistant] He could be a starter. I think he's more likely to be a starter again on a team that drafts a kid and maybe we'll start Minshew first six weeks.


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[Assistant] But Washington's got the second pick in the draft, right? I think? I believe so. I think they do. So, Washington's got the second pick in the draft, Mike, right?


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[Assistant] Indians slash guardians outfielder to hit 20 home runs. Do you know who it is?


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[Assistant] And the power developed. You guys got a, you know, outside of miles, you guys got a lot of young outfielders and you hitter, you know, there's a lot of guys who can hit. We got contact guys in this team and you hope that as you grow, you get a little bigger, whatever it is, you swing, whatever that, that the power grows as,


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[Assistant] Do you think about that? Like do you feel pressure to hit home runs? Because let's face it, the Guardians didn't hit a lot of home runs last year.


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[Assistant] Will, what was going through your mind when Jose Ramirez knocked Tim Anderson the bleep out last year?


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[Assistant] By the way, I know this, I know that this is not something the guardians are going to do, but I'm curious. Tim Anderson is a free agent right now. I actually saw a story this morning that he may be close to a deal with the Marlins possibly. I didn't get a chance to read the whole story, but in theory,


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[Assistant] I didn't think so. I didn't think so. Speaking of fighting, speaking of fighting, we had Stephen Kwan on earlier in the week, and I said to him, you're in a bar, you're getting into a fight, who's the one teammate you gotta have with you, and for him the answer was obvious. I want to see if you have the same answer.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what he, he said he kind of like takes care of the guys. If you, Stephen was like, that Josh is kind of a teddy bear. He's a nice Canadian guy, but if you wrong one of his guys, you disrespectful to one of his guys, uh, he's going to let you know that, is that a fair, uh, description?


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[Assistant] I asked you about your reaction when you saw the Jose Ramirez punch. Let me ask you, what was your reaction when you heard about Shohei Otani's new contract?


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know if it's sold out, but they just announced yesterday it's going to be a five o'clock game. Yes. Normally they play four o'clock, but because of the eclipse they moved it to five. Correct. I was reading this article yesterday that apparently Cleveland is going to be bunkers that day. Yes.


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[Assistant] But I wanted to go, I didn't like the way Bieber pitched last year, and I know Brennan saying, hey, he looks great, whatever.


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[Assistant] I think we may have seen the best of Shane Bieber already. Now, doesn't mean he won't be good, I just, I just, I think he's reached his peak and now he's a little below and he'll still be good, but he's not gonna be that.


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[Assistant] So I look at the other guys and I say, well, who's the most talented? Well.


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[Assistant] I think they're all very talented. They really are. Now, I think, in my opinion, Logan Allen is the least talented of the four guys. I may turn out to be wrong.


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[Assistant] So I took him out because I think he's the least of the four guys. I took Mackenzie out because I'm worried about the injury. Like he never got surgery. We're going to be a little nervous about him all year. So then it came down to Bybee and Williams. Now Bybee was better than Williams last year, but watching them pitch, I think they're both extremely talented.


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[Assistant] But I think Gavin Williams is a little better than Tanner Bybee. And in their careers, he'll ultimately be the better guy. He has more, slightly more dominant stuff than Bybee. So do I think Gavin Williams is going to win sign-in this year? No, I don't. But I think he has the combination of best stuff


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[Assistant] Opportunity. He's just a big kid. And, and I, so I'm going to go, I don't think it's overly likely, but I, if this kid puts it all together this year, I think he could pitch to a 270, 260 ERA. That's not crazy. We've seen it with young pitchers before.


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[Assistant] Which is tough to do, but he's got big time strikeout stuff, so I think you can make a credible case for almost all of them, but I'm gonna go with Gavin Williams. This is a really good one.


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[Assistant] That is the order. Yeaah. Problem. Yeaah. No, I think that is the order. Now the only reason that might change is because because Al, well, I was going to say because Alan's the lefty. No, the lefty might weigh in.


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[Assistant] No, I mean Jimenez, you think would bounce back from a down year last year, but.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, if he, if he's your third best run producer, you're not that... Now listen, I mean, again, you're banking on young players. Maybe Bo Nailer. Between Bo Nailer...


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[Assistant] But even if they had gotten one big slugger in the outfield.


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[Assistant] You know, I gotta say that I'd feel just as good, but he kinda went on to say, you know, why mess with something that's working and blah blah blah. So I think he'd have confidence, but I think he realizes he wouldn't be quite as good in center.


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[Assistant] The pitching staff, not just the starters, the bullpen too. The one addition they made, Scott Barlow, he didn't have a great year last year, but you know relievers, they were up and down. He's overall been a good relief pitcher and they already had a good pen. So I like their pitching. I mean, their pitching is by far the best in this division.


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[Assistant] Well, and Savalli wasn't even a free agent. No! Like, Bieber's a free agent, so unless they're clearly in it. He's gotta go where they get nothing from.


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[Assistant] He could be. If they're, if they're mediocre and not really in the mix, I think he and Klaus A will both get traded because a closer


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[Assistant] Actually has more value at the deadline. But Klausse is a team friendly deal and he's got years on his team. Right. And which is, but think about at the trade deadline, teams desperate for closure, you could get a haul for him. You could. You'd get like four good players.


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[Assistant] Mike, before you do this, can I say one thing real quick about baseball? Shoot. Really quick. They haven't made any major signings to the twins, but you know who they did sign? Our old buddy, Carlos Santana.


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[Assistant] I would definitely bet the three point shootout because he may not be as good a shooter as some of those guys, but.


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[Assistant] Vintage, like old Cavs starter jackets recently, the black and blue, the, the Gunderina, which is still my favorite Cavs color scheme when they had the light blue and the black, but.


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[Assistant] Starter jackets were a staple of every guy's wardrobe back in the day. Now I feel like it's a retro, retro kind of vibe. Tyvis has a couple, but.


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[Assistant] Happy belated birthday on Friday, Tyvis. Shout out to you, by the way. Enter the 30, cause speaking of birthdays real quick, it's my sister's 29th birthday, so happy birthday, Becca. Shout out to you over in Germany. He's probably not watching, but still, I did my due diligence.


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[Assistant] When you guys were creating characters in Madden or NCAA or 2K or MLB The Show, did you have like a go-to name you always used? Yes.


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[Assistant] Did you have a go-to staple name when you were creating a player in any of those video games?


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[Assistant] Ed, did you ever go to, or did you not, did you not play those kind of games going up?


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[Assistant] When you were creating a player, they're mad in 2k, college football, whatever game, did you have a go-to default name you always made your... Oh, I use my own name.


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[Assistant] No, listen, when you start talking anime, Pokemon, cartoons with Anthony, his tone changes from nice, low key Anthony Cantisbelli to I'll rip your head off in these games. But, and before we jump into topics today, who brings us today's show?


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[Assistant] Alright, so we're gonna talk about the Browns Rookie Clash and where it was graded by NFL.com. Today we're gonna talk about the Browns Defensive Championship Foundation.


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[Assistant] Talk some Cavs, we'll talk some Guardians, we'll talk LeBron James, but we'll start today.


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[Assistant] With the news out of Tampa Bay, Mike Evans and the Buccaneers did not come to a contract extension. They are unlikely to use the franchise tag on Mike Evans, which means there's a chance he'll hit the open market as a free agent. Gee Bush, you are the captain.


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[Assistant] Should he be priority number one this offseason for Andrew Barry and the Cleveland Browns?


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[Assistant] It's not, probably not gonna happen, because I can't imagine a world where he actually leaves Tampa Bay. So, for the sake of this, let's pretend...


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[Assistant] If there was a giant falling out in Tampa Bay, Mike Amundson is the free agent for it. T Higgins would be the perfect ideal candidate just based on age. He's young, similar skill set, but, but.


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[Assistant] I do think Mike Evans is the absolute perfect compliment on paper in terms of what he brings as a receiver, his skill set, his mentality, and his leadership capabilities to add into this Browns offense. Couple things. First off, 10 seasons in the NFL.


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[Assistant] 10 1000 yard seasons. You guys want to hear the whole list of receivers who have started their career with 10 consecutive 1000 yard seasons? Here we go.


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[Assistant] That's the list. That's it. Nobody else. Jerry Rice has 14,000 yard seasons in his career. That's the most ever.


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[Assistant] Mike Evans and Randy Moss. Those are the only three receivers in the history of this league with 10,000 yard seasons. So the production is there. Is he slowing down?


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[Assistant] I don't think he's at a proverbial cliff where he's just gonna go from 13 touchdowns, 1200 yards to six and six. He's too good. He's six five. He's two 30 in the red zone. Could you imagine the plethora of weapons that Sean Watson would have to throw to


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[Assistant] Or it's Kevin Stefanski, Ken Dorse, whoever's calling plays would have in their arsenal if you had Nick Chubb to hand the ball off.


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[Assistant] Amari Cooper on one side and Mike Evans on the other side. And mind you, I'll repeat it again. Mike Evans is 6'5", 235 pounds and one of the best. He box his guys out. He uses his body well. One of the best.


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[Assistant] He doesn't run a 4-6. He doesn't run a 4-7. He's also not a 4-3 guy, but he gets behind defenses because he's a smart, savvy veteran receiver.


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[Assistant] We talked about last year the Browns Receiving Corps, right? You have Amari the tactician.


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[Assistant] You had Elijah Moore, the, the slack guy. And before the season started, you had DPJ and Tillman as your big receiver, your big physical receivers, right? Well, DPJ, to steal G's word, Minimowski. Got traded to Detroit.


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[Assistant] What's worse than Minimowski? He was a nothing ski. He was a nothing ski in Detroit. Cedric Tilghman had a chance to show what he did.


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[Assistant] He played okay. I'm not selling my Cedric Tillman stock, but it's not like he blew anyone out the water.


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[Assistant] You add Mike Evans to that mix and that physical, big, dominant, demands a second team, uh, double coverage, at least a look in the red zone, on top of Amari Cooper and Joko and whatever they have in the backfield, plus Deshaun Watson's legs, I think on paper, he would be the perfect fit. I think he's awesome.


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[Assistant] Their championship window with this current iteration of the roster. Now we've seen with the Chiefs. Just because one window closes doesn't mean you can't open the next one up immediately.


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[Assistant] They traded Tyree Kill immediately open in the championship roster, they won two. So I'm not saying their only chance to win is this next season or next two seasons. I'm just saying with the current iteration of this roster where Betonio's getting older, Chubb,


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[Assistant] Tell her, Miles Garrett's not entering his prime, he's on, in his prime on the back end. In this current iteration of this roster. Why not go all in?


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[Assistant] And I understand that you can't get everybody. Gee, I love the idea of operation stockpile. You just can't pay everybody.


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[Assistant] But if you can, and whether it's Evans or another big name free agent receiver, whoever it becomes available.


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[Assistant] I think you gotta go out and make that swing and give these new offensive coaches to Sean Watson, Kevin Stefanski.


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[Assistant] Alleviate some pressure off Nick Chubb so you don't need him to rush for 1500 yards in his first season back from catastrophic knee injury. Give them as many options as possible to make this offense not just coherent.


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[Assistant] But explosive, and dynamic, and most importantly, consistent.


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[Assistant] And that's where a guy like a Mike Evans, to your point, a Gabe Davis, a Calvin Ridley, whoever it is they end up bringing, I think we're all in agreement, they'll bring someone in.


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[Assistant] But the championship window with this current iteration of the roster.


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[Assistant] Is really this year and maybe next year depending on their financial situation. And then they'll rebuild, and that doesn't mean become bad again, it just means rebuild the foundation of their roster.


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[Assistant] I keep coming back to Gabe Davis as the guy I think at the end of the day.


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[Assistant] Will be the most realistic, affordable,


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[Assistant] Guy that the Browns, I think he'll end up being the Browns big acquisition at wide receiver.


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[Assistant] The guy like Mike Evans, just based on Andrew Barry's track record.


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[Assistant] And knowing the deals he's given out to guys at that position.


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[Assistant] In general to free agents in that age range, I think he'd want to go with a two year deal. But I think Mike Evans would get a bigger.


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[Assistant] Uh, more years and a bigger total number in terms of guaranteed money from another team that would be willing. Like Carolina for example. If you're Carolina and you have all this cash space.


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[Assistant] So in my mind, I think realistically the best the Browns would offer Mike Evans is two years, and that may not be enough to get him.


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[Assistant] But Jimmy Haslund is going to pay up front. And that's the big difference in some of these. The sign-in bonus, they could up over some other teams. And that might be a differentiating factor in the Brown's contract proposal.


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[Assistant] Versus a team like Carolina or a team that's not willing to spend as much up front.


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[Assistant] As of today, it is 1126 on February 20th. This could change in 20 minutes, but for right now, Andrew Barry does not have a contract extension.


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[Assistant] As of once again, 11-26 on February 20th, Andrew Bray does not have a contract extension. This is his last season.


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[Assistant] Do you think the fact that he doesn't have long-term security will affect the way he approaches a potential free agent negotiation with a guy like Mike Evans where maybe he'd be willing to go an extra year on the back end even though that's not his MO because


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[Assistant] Yo, tell the story. So Eric Spolster and his wife of a long time separated this year. Okay.


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[Assistant] And we'll discuss this more in depth another day where we all got a little time to think, but if we have one show left to do, we have one final UCSS show, I got a whole list of just random content ideas on my phone. I've had Earl and Aunt make graphics for stuff that we haven't even used in two weeks yet.


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[Assistant] We took a little gimmick from the Moving the Sticks podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. If you guys haven't listened to their podcast, very insightful on the overall NFL coverage.


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[Assistant] We're looking at the championship foundations of certain teams and they broke it down into four categories. And we got the initial tag board to show the people to base it off, but essentially this is what we did yesterday. This is the initial tweet here.


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[Assistant] They broke down player by player, whether it's a blue, which is a blue chip player, green, which is good, yellow, which is...


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[Assistant] We don't love their category choices per se, but to keep it in line with them so we can compare with their answers later in the week, we're going to stick to those four categories on offense yesterday. And if you want to pull back the offensive one, we gave the quarterback situation a yellow.


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[Assistant] Which means injury contract, age concerns, same for running backs. There was a nice discussion. Earl had the running backs in the blue chip category, but he was outvoted. The receivers were unproven and young. The tight end room was a blue chip group and the offensive line was green. So we're going to continue that today.


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[Assistant] On the defensive side of the ball, and Earl, let's start with the defensive ends.


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[Assistant] Roster construction at the moment. Defensive ends. Is that a blue chip group? A good group?


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[Assistant] A yellow, you have concerns group, or a pink, young and unproven group.


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[Assistant] Let me jump in real quick, because I think it's blue chip even without Sedarius. Okay. And here's why, and G, if you disagree, let us know. Miles is as deep blue as he gets. Like he is the ultimate pinnacle. Number one, it's undisputed defensive player of the year. He is as good as a defensive end as you will find in the league. And even if you take Sedarius out of it, I think Agbo's good.


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[Assistant] I think Alex Wright showed me enough that I think he's good. I think I am all buying all the Alex Wright stuff for next season, I think.


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[Assistant] Two guys who I feel pretty strongly are at minimum good.


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[Assistant] If not progressing up that ladder. And then McGuire is young and unproven, but I like the talent. You got Myles Garrett in two greens. I think that's on the low end of blue, but it's a blue. You got Myles Garrett. I'm not sure how you can make it not a blue.


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[Assistant] And Miles Garrett's the five star plus plus plus, so you have to have some twos and threes to drag that down.


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[Assistant] And if you wanna say Isaiah Maguire is pink and unproven, I'm not gonna argue. But then you still got two greens, and I think when you average that all together,


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[Assistant] It's maybe on the lower end of blue. But it's still blue. But Miles Garrett is so damn good in his own right.


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[Assistant] It's still an overall blue category, and the Browns last season, even though their sack numbers as a totality in the defensive end position wasn't through the roof outside a mile, they generated a ton of pressures.


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[Assistant] And when you look at, at the end of the day, we all want sacks, but I think we've learned and evolved as a football speaking community that sacks isn't the only stat that matters. It's pressure rate. It's how much do you affect the quarterback?


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[Assistant] And Zidarius, I know he's not necessarily in this, but Zidarius, Alex Wright, Ogbo, and Miles, of course.


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[Assistant] All had tremendous analytics in how quickly they got to the quarterback. How much impact they had on the opposing quarterback in terms of making his first read. Endor having to pivot off that first step. Find his second option.


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[Assistant] And then making a move out of the pocket. So, at the end of the day, you got Miles Garrett. You're gonna have to argue me that it's not a blue chip group, but I don't think anyone's trying to make the case that this is, uh,


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[Assistant] Blue chip for the defensive ends. The defensive tackle, G. This is your bread and butter. How would you grade the Browns defensive tackle crop?


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[Assistant] Alright, so either I messed up or you guys messed up. Because I have it as pink.


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[Assistant] Because they have two defensive tackles on the roster. That's it. We weren't included free agents here, so I didn't take Harris, I didn't take Hurst, I didn't take Jordan Elliott into consideration.


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[Assistant] But the assignment was today, looking at the group, the position group today, and I know with linebackers, Earl, we're going to get to, the linebacker room is kind of empty too, and I don't want to give my answer away now, but


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[Assistant] I gave it a pink cause you got Daven Tomlinson and Tsiaki Ika and then you got the Will Smith meme standing in the room by himself like


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[Assistant] So, I didn't, in my evaluation of this, because they're currently pending free agents.


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[Assistant] I didn't take Harrison into consideration. I didn't take Moe Hurst. I didn't take Jordan Elliott. And if I'm just going off Dalvin Tomlinson and Siaki Ika, Dalvin Tomlinson is about to turn 30 years old, G.


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[Assistant] I thought it was okay, like serviceable, solid. You take that every day of the week, but I didn't think he was anything special. And Siaki Ika played in four games. I don't recall him making.


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[Assistant] Is somewhere in that green-yellow range. I do have my concerns, just because he's 30 years old, defensive tackle, he makes a ton of money, but he's a good player. So I went with pink because I just don't...


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[Assistant] And if you don't have Harris, Hurst, and Elliott in that conversation, I don't know how you graded anything higher than okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. I just, I gave him a pink because I wasn't considering them in this exercise. You guys were, so I think we're kind of saying the same thing in a different way.


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[Assistant] For the sake of this, you gave it a green, you gave it a green, I would give it a green if they signed two of the three. Take them out, are you guys all in pink?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, if you, if you just. So, Andy, you can give us a pink or a green, whichever one you want to go with. I went with green. Green, perfect, so we'll go with green. Let me ask you guys this before we move on to linebackers, because linebackers have a similar situation. They don't have a ton of guys on their contract, so we'll do two answers.


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[Assistant] If you had to say today, and it's unfair because we haven't done the research, but they have to sign at least two defensive tackles. Do you think it'll be two guys that were in the system this year?


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[Assistant] Think it'll be one new guy, one guy who is in the system, two new guys? Who do you think?


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[Assistant] I don't need names, but where do you think these two defensive tackles will come from?


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[Assistant] I would love to see Hurst back. I'm not sure if his injury history would prohibit the Browns from taking another flyer on him, but he was phenomenal. He loved Cleveland too.


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[Assistant] I think it depends how you feel about Ica though. Because if you think he's ready to play...


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[Assistant] Then I think the guy you bring in in that Hurst position, that third rotating defensive tackle, could be a guy like Hurst with higher upside.


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[Assistant] But you may know he's gonna miss 6-7 games a season just based on his track record. If you don't think Ica's ready to play, then maybe a guy like Shelby Harris who incredibly never misses time.


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[Assistant] Given all things equal, you take the guy with less of an injury history, obviously, but a lot of time, it's never equal like that. Yeah, I can remember.


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[Assistant] Always seem to be dealing with a sprained ankle, or a nagging shoulder, or whatever the case may be. But there are different levels to injury issues.


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[Assistant] Like that's crazy. It is what it is. And we're going to linebackers next.


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[Assistant] I'll start because I'll give you my grade I gave and then I'll give the grade I would give.


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[Assistant] I gave this one a pink as well because right now the only two linebackers under contract are JOK and Diabate.


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[Assistant] And JOK, I have him in the highest level of green. You gotta do it two years in my mind before you're official.


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[Assistant] So he's the highest level of green. Diabate had a promising rookie campaign on special teams. We didn't see him a ton on defense, so he's just unproven to me and I don't know who else is in the room, but I expect them to re-sign Taki Taki, add someone else in depth, and I put that in the lower tier of green.


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[Assistant] Taki, uh, not Taki Taki, JOK's 20 tackle for loss, second most in the NFL. Max Crosby led the NFL with 23. He played 342 more snaps than JOK this season.


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[Assistant] So two for yellow on the linebackers and ants. So two yellows means yellow is the official color for the linebackers. Let's move to the cornerbacks. Safety is its own category. Just the cornerbacks. Earl, you're wearing blue. Gee, you're wearing blue. I'm wearing blue.


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[Assistant] Blue chip group. Can we all go through quickly on this one? I think it's all a blue chip. Blue chip. Blue chip. Alright, and give cornerbacks a blue.


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[Assistant] Yes. If not the best, one of the top two or three best cornerback players in all football. Yes. That's a blue chip group. Denzel, Emerson, Newsome, and even Cam Mitchell all shoot out. How about the safeties though, G?


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[Assistant] It's a good group. Is it a blue chip group? Is it good? It's definitely not young and unproven. So where do you fall, G?


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[Assistant] So you went green, G went yellow, which means I'm gonna tiebreaker here. The gentleman to my right, G Bush, made some compelling points.


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[Assistant] I didn't think Juan Thornhill was the game changer the Browns brought him in to be this season, but I thought he played okay. I thought he was solid.


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[Assistant] He did what he was supposed to do. He didn't make any extraordinary game-changing plays, but he was solid. Grant Delpitt, I thought, was on track to be a Pro Bowler this season.


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[Assistant] Injured again, which goes back to the yellow category. They pay a lot of money to their safety room.


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[Assistant] Which brings up some contract concerns. Is it all worth it? We'll find out this year as Delta comes back from injury.


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[Assistant] But at the end of the day, this is one of the position groups I didn't love just having these four categories for because I thought there's kind of a middle, middle ground.


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[Assistant] But I went with green over yellow because of what the gentleman, two people to the right of me said, and that's Hickman, Bell, Thornhill, and Delpit. If any of those four are on the field at any given time, I'm not like,


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[Assistant] Oh no, we got a weak spot in the secondary. We got a glaring weakness for somebody to attack. And as a safety, in the most simplest form of your job, is the back line of defense.


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[Assistant] And we saw when Thornhill was out against Baltimore in that first game, when they had McCloud come in, he was serviceable, but he gave up that one slant right across the middle.


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[Assistant] Which, we're gonna do before the season starts, after free agency. We'll go through, we're gonna change the categories and we'll make our own UCSS version of this.


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[Assistant] They're good, but I'm not sure how good. You know what I'm saying? We'll do a little more. So, er, uh, Anthony, excuse me. Run us back through the final results of our Defensive Championship Foundation.


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[Assistant] Awesome. Alright, and before we grade some rookie classes, what do you got on deck?


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[Assistant] And we have a third topic that is still TBD, depending on what Jason wants to talk about. I sent him a couple options. We'll see, but the big topic today.


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[Assistant] Trying to find what's real and what's not in these Mitchell trade rumors. Getting to the bottom of that with Jason Lloyd who was the first person last year to put that report out there.


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[Assistant] Yep, which is why we're gonna get to the bottom of the truth tonight, 6 o'clock, on Ultimate Cavaliers.


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[Assistant] Yes it is. And set us up for this next topic here.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh number two. Anytime you want to throw it up, Steve, so I'm not going off. That would be phenomenal.


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[Assistant] Number three was the Rams, the Lions were four, and Green Bay was five. And then if you skip down to the next one, Steve.


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[Assistant] The teams by the Browns. These are the classes in that same conversation with the Browns. New Orleans at 20.


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[Assistant] Minnesota at 21, Indianapolis at 22, the Browns at 23, and the New England Patriots at 24, so.


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[Assistant] 23rd, like how many rookie classes were better than hitting those two? So I went into the article and I read, and this is the exact quote.


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[Assistant] By NFL.com on why they gave the Browns to see why they were ranked where they were. And I quote.


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[Assistant] Injuries hit the Browns rookie class hard. The C-grade is a reflection on the overall lack of production, but I think most of the players have promised if they're able to stay healthy in year two for a team coming off a playoff berth.


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[Assistant] I 100% wholeheartedly agree with that evaluation and assessment. You look at the guys who played. Dewan was awesome when he played, right?


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[Assistant] Production was eh, right? I mean, was anyone blown away by Cedric Tillman?


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[Assistant] But you see a lot of rookie receivers come in, have immediate impacts and not just first round pick, but guys all throughout the draft are able to come in and produce. Tillman had his opportunities. He wasn't on the same page with Flacco. I'm not selling my Tillman stock, but I'm certainly not buying it in the same, uh, with the same enthusiasm I was last year. Ika and Maguire didn't really get a chance to play.


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[Assistant] They were stuffed behind a talented defensive line rotation, so they get a pass. Cam Mitchell I thought was pretty good against Chicago, but once again behind the cornerbacks on the roster. Tough to play. DTR.


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[Assistant] Okay, before he got hurt, but once again, got hurt. Hickman may be the steal of draft, but overall, like.


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[Assistant] We saw flashes from the group. Dewan Jones in stretches looked dominant. Ronnie Hickman for a game or two looked like one of the best safeties in football. Cam Mitchell made a phenomenal fourth down stop against Justin Fields in Chicago. Tillman, whatever.


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[Assistant] But on a weekly basis, the overall production just wasn't there. So I think it's see, isn't just fair. I think it's kind of the perfect evaluation of the Brown's 2023 rookie class with the caveat.


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[Assistant] And injuries, I don't want to bring up the injury bug for the 10th time, but...


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[Assistant] Let me ask you guys this and we'll move on to the Cav. Which rookie from the 2023 class do you expect to take the biggest jump from the end of this season to the end of next season? Which player are we going to be like, eh, rookie season was okay, but.


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[Assistant] Or, or even good to great, but which player takes the biggest jump from Rookie Season of Softball?


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[Assistant] Okay. Oh yeaah, he'll... So, so take Jones off. He picked Jones. Pick someone else.


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[Assistant] My guy though, and maybe I'm infatuated with one game and maybe I'm blinded by a fourth and three tackle on Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] I think Cam Mitchell's a really good ballplayer. Like a really, really, really good ballplayer. And I'm not sure exactly what the Browns have in store this offseason. They have to make contract decisions on Greg Newsome. They have to start preparing for a Martin Emerson extension. He's on a great third round contract now, but.


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[Assistant] That dude deserves to get paid and will get paid by somebody. I think Cam Mitchell's a guy that the Browns are going to have to take a deep, hard look at.


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[Assistant] See if he's capable of being able to step into that starting slot spot.


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[Assistant] Well, I got, I got three other teams offering me a first. I need at least a second this year.


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[Assistant] If the Browns want to figure out a way to get into the first round or acquire a proven legitimate talent at receiver.


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[Assistant] I think it's the Newsom second round pick combo. That is their most attractive trade combo they can put together to acquire some sort of talent. Is it worth it? I don't know who the player is. We'll see. But the second round pick plus Greg Newsom is their most attractive trade package.


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[Assistant] I would do it on a heartbeat. I wouldn't think, I think I use an absolute frickin' stud. First team all pro like, and he's 25. Yeaah. You do that, like Sutton's not first team all pro, I'm not sure if Newsome... No, I'm just...


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[Assistant] I am all for it. The Browns have some way of acquiring Grant and Iuk this offseason. I'm all in. Ant, what's up?


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[Assistant] I was going to read it tomorrow when he's producing the Olympic sports show. You'll see for yourself. You can bet on Cavs games. You can bet on any NBA game. Bet on anything. Make sure you send us the winning tickets and we will feature them.


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[Assistant] On the show, let's talk a little Kaz now before we welcome in Jason Lloyd in about 15 minutes from spring training, the second half.


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[Assistant] How much tinkering, how many changes do you want to see JB play with, with the runups and rotations before the Cavs get to their postseason stretch?


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[Assistant] Or I'll start with you. Do you want JB to be aggressive in mixing and matching? Do you want to see him?


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[Assistant] Stick to one? How much tinkering should he do?


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[Assistant] I like what G said about getting certain players enough minutes to see if they can truly be part of a playoff rotation. Right. Pull up my graphic real quick. These are the Cavs five best lineups this season in terms of net rating with two caveats. They had to have at least 12 games played together and


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[Assistant] Uh, was it a caveat with me? Let's play 12 games together. What do you guys notice looking at this? These are all their initials by the way. Obviously I couldn't write all first and last name. What do you all know?


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[Assistant] And two, when the Cavs went on their massive win streak and were blowing teams out, which is why some of these numbers are inflated, those two were injured. My point with the, of showing this,


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[Assistant] Is we know four players who will be on the court in crunch time for the cap. Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garland, Jared Allen, and Evan Mobley. We know four. Who's the fifth? And in their death lineup, in their crunch time five,


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[Assistant] What I need JB to figure out over the last 28, 29, 30 games, whatever the number is. You know the four guys. Who's the fifth? And you can get creative in figuring out.


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[Assistant] Because those four players, the four main guys, haven't been healthy enough this season and in enough crunch time games to figure out what's the best matchup. And I would hope, and I'm curious what you think on this.


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[Assistant] I hope JB would go matchup dependent. If they got a guy on, let's say they're playing New York for example, right?


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[Assistant] They got Bogdanovich, they got Randall and Mitchell in the court at the same time. You may need some more size. Would you be willing to go with Dean Wade even though he's not your...


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[Assistant] Best plus minus guy in that situation. Or would you go with a Kuro to guard Brunson? Do you think JB will be flexible enough down the stretch?


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[Assistant] As opposed to just finding that one guy that every night, this is my closing comment.


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[Assistant] Jason Lois says he hates calling it a death lineup because that's a disservice to how good the Warriors death lineup truly was. So I'm gonna call it their Crunch Time 5. The answer to their Crunch Time 5.


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[Assistant] Is if Isaac Okuro is still making 40% of threes in the playoffs, that's the answer. It doesn't ma- like nothing else matters at that point.


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[Assistant] Isaac O'Carroll can shoot 50% from 3 from now to the end of the regular season. Game 1 of the postseason, no matter who they play.


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[Assistant] They're going to sack off and make him shoot. So he's got to prove he can make it. And to your point about Darius Garland defensively, there are going to be some weird.


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[Assistant] Defensive matchups where Garland is going to have to prove his offense is better than what he's giving up defensively. And luckily in the playoffs, and this is where having Mobley and Allen is a massive benefit, he just has to funnel him towards the paint and into


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[Assistant] Is a tier below Mobley, but in that same conversation of great.


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[Assistant] Not necessarily even rim protectors, but just always in the right spot help defenders. He just can't get cooked. And that's all I'm asking.


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[Assistant] You don't have to be a Kuro. You don't have to be Mobley. You don't have to be Marcus Smart or Tony Allen from back in the day. Just can't get cooked. And if you funnel guys to the middle where you have Allen and Mobley and even, you know, depending on the mattress, but a Kuro waiting for you there.


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[Assistant] That's why he's always in the crunch time five. He's always, no matter how you look at it, he, unless it's a one off defensive possession, seven seconds left, Nick's out of the ball or sells the ball, he's gotta be there because what he brings offensively, they just can't replicate.


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[Assistant] It's New York and Boston. Those are the two. And that's a tough matchup for anyone in the league. That's not a Cleveland specific issue. That's a, you know, they built their teams to be supersized. And Jalen Brunson's tiny, you know, relative term.


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[Assistant] The next four guys in the quarter, six, eight or taller. Like that's just a tough matchup to deal with.


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[Assistant] One more thing to watch before we pivot to your Black History Month Spotlight. We'll bring Jason on.


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[Assistant] It's one or the other, and that's going to be a hell of a battle between those two individually to prove to JB who will get those minutes in the postseason in that eight


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[Assistant] And I'm telling y'all right now, they have 11 guys who could play, 12 of you count Tristan Thompson, only 8 are gonna play in the playoffs more than like 2 minutes. You may get a guy in 2 minutes.


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[Assistant] Seeing which one of those two down the stretch is playing better and fitting better into their offensive system is going to be a fun little subplot to watch as the Cavs continue to go. Uh, Ant, do we have a read before Jason and Black History Month or are we going straight to Earl?


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[Assistant] It is crazy. I'll be honest, I was completely unaware of her before our meeting this morning, but to go back and be a tennis champion.


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[Assistant] And compete in professional golf, which, two completely different skill sets by the way. That's not like...


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[Assistant] Oh, because you do one, you naturally should be good at the other. That's apples than oranges.


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[Assistant] And to be as successful as she was in both of those in an era where...


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[Assistant] Hats off kudos to you. That's beyond impressive.


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[Assistant] Uh, well speaking of, real quick. We're still waiting on Jason, right?


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[Assistant] If he wants to have a Kobe Bryant-esque retirement tour, a season long celebration of his career.


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[Assistant] Or if he wants to, quote, go out like Duncan, quote, which means, I'm just gonna walk away, I'm not gonna tell anybody about it, I'm just gonna retire, that'll be it.


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[Assistant] I have a couple thoughts on this. I'm curious if you guys do as well. Should I start?


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[Assistant] You are very adamant about believing what players say, because if you don't speak to them yourselves, that's all you gotta go off of, right?


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[Assistant] And I'ma tell you right now, Lebron James is straight up lying to your damn face. There is not a chance in hell Lebron James doesn't throw the world's biggest, greatest,


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[Assistant] My dude has the chosen one in size 600 font tattooed across his chest. LeBron, you deserve.


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[Assistant] All of it. You deserve a 164 game celebration tour, farewell tour if you want it. You are the best basketball player to ever live.


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[Assistant] And what you've done for 22, 23, whatever it'll be years, deserves every last ounce of praise and recognition you get.


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[Assistant] But to sit up there and say, I'm not sure I want the praise. I'm not sure I want to go through and have everybody tell me how great I am in every city and get presents from the other teams and have all their legends come out and we'll take a dope Instagram picture. Like LeBron, it's a goat. You might be on my Mount Rushmore of all time athletes.


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[Assistant] Forget the you-know-what outta here with that bullcrap. That is the biggest bold-faced lie in the history of the world, Earl. And if you believe him...


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[Assistant] Maybe the most impressive part of LeBron's entire career, his entire athletic prowess was at 15, he was tabbed the one.


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[Assistant] He's not only lived up to every expectation, even the craziest, highest, wildest expectations they put out there for him.


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[Assistant] He's broke that glass ceiling and it's continuing to ascend. And you look at all the guys who we tab as he's next up. Like Wemby, for example, right? Who's had a great rookie season.


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[Assistant] Like you're right, I've only met Lebron once. That's like somebody.


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[Assistant] Upper deck then, to just make it even. So for example, upper deck tickets to the...


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[Assistant] Uh, we got Jason Lloyd here, so Aunt Dua Rita will bring in Jason from sunny Arizona.


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[Assistant] And let's welcome in Jason. Jason, before we talk Guardians, we were just talking LeBron and whether or not we think he'll throw himself a farewell tour. You know him better than all of us combined. Will LeBron throw himself a farewell tour or is there any chance he will Tim Duncan it and just disappear into the sunset?


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[Assistant] Alright, so you're in agreement with all of us, Jason. Just wanted to get that on the record. You're out in Arizona for training, Jason. Have you had a chance to...


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[Assistant] Evaluate and or observe any differences yet in how Stephen votes running the show as opposed to how Terry Francona had for so long with The Guardians.


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[Assistant] In that same vein, Jason, if you had to bet your life savings on one of these Young Guardian's bats to develop into a legit middle of the lineup hitter this season, who would you bet on?


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[Assistant] Awesome. That's Jason Lloyd from Spring Training. He'll be out there all week. He's on the Ultimate Cav Show tonight at 6. Jason, answer my text on what you want to do for the third topic. Uh, still waiting to hear back from you on that. It's been a busy day. That'll be 6 o'clock tonight. Jason, appreciate you as always and, uh, enjoy the sun for us, my friend.


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[Assistant] Oh, coming up in overtime in about two minutes, a crazy video that sparked a hell of a discussion pre-show that G has no idea what it's about.


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[Assistant] And I cannot wait to see how G reacts. Not at all. When he sees this video. See everybody in overtime. Peace. Peace.


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[Assistant] It's the people, and the people here allow the people that are also pitchers to be free enough to be themselves. This is you.


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[Assistant] You know, Tristan doesn't need to be Shane Bieber, and Bybee doesn't need to be Gavin.


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[Assistant] And when I'm watching our bullpens, there's seven dudes throwing. Right now I haven't even heard of half of them. And I'm just like, that dude's nasty. That dude's nasty. That dude's prepared. That dude's executing all his pitches. I'm like, I don't even, I don't even know him yet.


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[Assistant] But I'm like, that's what they do here. And, and I know also, I know that all those dudes are great dudes because you're not, you're not a Cleveland guardian if you're a bad dude.


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[Assistant] I mean, if that is the case, then I gotta meet him because we're talking about the 2 best looking guys in the world now. Like the guys gotta be absolutely gorgeous.


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[Assistant] Like I don't, when I'm texting and stuff, like I don't even try and spell things right, and Siri will fix it for me.


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[Assistant] First man, I actually had my highest viewed show.


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[Assistant] I'll tell ya, we have a lot of interesting conversations on this show before the show, like the 10 minutes before, 5 minutes, whatever, but in particular today.


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[Assistant] Because when G Bush is here or when Jay is here, those guys come in the last second, usually. Yes. Those guys consistently get in.


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[Assistant] Right. They're sitting down. She's usually getting here at 10.57 and Jay gets here at 10.58. Yea, that's true. But Tyvis is always here early. Jason's, you know, hit or miss, but he's often here early. And I usually get here around 10.30.


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[Assistant] So it was like the first time we did our pre-show 10-30 meeting in forever where everybody was here in person. There was nobody on the phone. So we're all here. And so things, so our pre-show conversation we had extra time for and today


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[Assistant] Six men, seven men, there's seven of us here. Seven men in bathroom habits. Uh, you would have either been horrified being in here for the last ten minutes or laughed your ass off.


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[Assistant] So a lot to get to, guys. Obviously there's a report today about a potential new Brown Stadium site. We're gonna get to that in a little bit.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're doing, uh, No Fence Riders later in the show, and Jake Trotter, uh, Brown's Beat Reporter for ESPN.


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[Assistant] We'll join us as well. Before we get into our first official topic of the day though, just, and we will get to the Cavs a little longer later, but guys, uh, has anybody done a bigger 180 than me in terms of, uh, the Cavaliers? I was like, not interested, not interested.