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[Assistant] Nico Collins is a guy that he's, he's a better than average receiver, but he's not a superstar. The one thing he can do is get deep. And we've seen that the first play of the game against the Colts, which is essentially for both teams, a playoff game. He got behind the Colts defense for a hookup on a nice long throw.


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[Assistant] He can get behind a defense. I love MJ Emerson, speed ain't his thing. If Denzel's on him, I'm not worried about Nico becoming a factor. So what are you doing to stop Nico Collins and the deep threat if Denzel isn't on the field? Have a plan so you're not surprised if he has to go out. Definitely more zones.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, in talking about this matchup during the course of the week, McNuggets brought up a very interesting point. He said if you look at the last five quarterbacks that the Browns have played,


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[Assistant] Nobody jumps off the play sheet as being a superstar. In fact, Justin Fields and a banged up, uh, Lawrence were the only two guys that were really the starting quarterbacks of their teams. The other three that we faced were backup quarterbacks, including Houston when we saw Case Canem.


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[Assistant] Does that change the way you guys look at how effective the Brown's defense has been able to be over the last five weeks when you consider the fact that they weren't getting beat by great quarterbacks?


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[Assistant] No, we started, no, we started the Niner's losing streak. They came in here undefeated. We cracked the code and, you know, since he had one other bad game, but I'm not too worried about it.


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[Assistant] And you made a point throughout the season that the quarterbacks that have tended to have more success against the Browns are quarterbacks that run. They get out of the pocket run. Can CJ Stroud do that? Yes. It's not one of the top three clubs in his bag. He'll do it if he needs to, but he's not like Lamar. He's not looking to run.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up, these quarterback rankings are blowing my mind. So, there's three different entities that are ranking all the quarterbacks that are left in the playoffs, 1 to 14. 14 teams left.


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[Assistant] Flacco, according to something called Roto Baller, is ranked 12th.


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[Assistant] The 33rd team has him ranked 13th and Yahoo has him 9th. Guys, are they right or are they wrong?


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[Assistant] I think I can put him at eight. I didn't go through the exercise of actually ranking them, but obviously we know some of the big names. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Dak. He's not going to be ahead of any of those guys for sure.


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[Assistant] Then you start looking at the mid tier. What I, what I think the, the list loses.


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[Assistant] Is, if you just rated this over what these guys have done over the last five games, and I went back and looked,


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[Assistant] He's one or two for me. Yea. And he's probably only behind Josh Allen, if anybody at all. He's had the most passing yards over the last five games of any quarterback of any five game stretch in the entire season. Think about that.


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[Assistant] His last five games, he's thrown for more yards than any quarterback did for a five game stretch this year. So he's red hot and because of that, I put him just barely.


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[Assistant] In the bottom half, but he would be towards the top of that bottom half. It's fair not to judge it just on that. It is. Yeaah. Age, rust, and also I think everybody is watching this fairy tale waiting for the lights to be turned on.


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[Assistant] Now, on our YouTube show today, we had an exercise where we all picked our Super Bowl teams. And stunningly,


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[Assistant] Jason has the Browns going to the Super Bowl in the AFC. Bull, or Bush, has the Browns winning the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] So I kind of get a sense of where our answer is going to be here, but is there, is there another rabbit out of the hat for Joe Flacco and he can make another crazy run to his Super Bowl championship?


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[Assistant] Wow, so we got three yeses. Uhm, I guess I'm gonna steal the banner of Grinch of the show for this topic because I try to keep it as real as I possibly can.


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[Assistant] And that's where I am right now. Now look, could that change?


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[Assistant] But I don't think he will, sadly. And, and, and probably my years of being a Browns fan and waiting for the midnight to strike are playing a little bit into that, but that's kind of the way I see it right now.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're taking a break. When we come back, no-fence riders. We have a number of topics and we're definitively taking a stand. When the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show on WKYC 3 comes right back.


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[Assistant] Somebody here said it, that the culture around the Browns is officially changed. No, it was one of our viewers that sent in a super chat. And guys, I feel that is true. I feel that the culture around the Browns, now it could be temporary, but I feel like finally we've


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[Assistant] Gotten past the lovable losers and the waiting for bad stuff. And I feel like that the culture is really changing. And for witness, our friend Jason, who's totally soulless and not a fan anymore, is picking the Browns to go to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] If they're talking about that late in the game, then I feel very comfortable that the Browns are going to win this. Uh, yeah, I'm with Jason exactly. I mean, to get to 300 yards, you'd have to have four guys each get 75.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I think he's gonna get to 300 yards, and I don't think four guys are gonna have 75, so someone's gotta go over it. So that one's pretty easy for me.


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[Assistant] Wow, so they're going to get after him early and get to him a lot.


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[Assistant] He holds the ball. CJ's not afraid to hold it. And for that, I think that they're going to get him, uh, I don't know about five times, but I think it's going to be a pressure heavy game for this bronze defense. All right. We're taking our last break. When we come back and tell you how the game plays out, it's our prewritten headlines on the other side of this important message and the ultimate Cleveland sports show.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Who wins tomorrow? What's the headlines? It's our prewritten headlines. Gee, start us off.


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[Assistant] Two touchdowns, that's the difference. Alright, I'm certainly not going to pick against the Browns in this one. I'm picking the Browns over the Texans. Here's the way it plays out. The defense is going to play a huge role. C.J. Stroud will have his moments, but in the end,


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[Assistant] Garrett and the boys will win that battle. Cleveland advances. I got it low scoring guys. 17-13 Browns to Baltimore next week.


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[Assistant] All right. Well, let's hope he can because this has been a fun ride and none of us wanted to stop. We'd like this and I'm rooting for Baltimore. I would like to see


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, the Baltimore matchup, I would like to see the Browns go to Baltimore. Joe Flacco back in town. The storylines would be unbelievable. Uhm, we're getting close now. We're under 28 hours to kick off. Enjoy the game however you watch it. Post game show tomorrow. Post game at the two minute


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[Assistant] That's crazy. You got him in like a frame? Case? Glass case?


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[Assistant] Later I'll be ripping Myles Garrett for not being there at the award ceremony.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yesterday on the show we discussed, uh, of course the Stump Mitchell, uh, comments that he made. Oh, yes, yes, yes. And we mistakenly, it was, uh,


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[Assistant] I think in a way we kind of thought everybody just knew and we all thought the other one mentioned it. It was a mistake. Shout out to Karen by the way.


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[Assistant] So as soon as the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show ends today, my podcast with Joe Flacco will be released on YouTube.


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[Assistant] Uh, so obviously if you're not subscribed to my podcast already, go to YouTube.


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[Assistant] Go to the bullpen with Adam the Bull, part of the Bet Rivers Network, and click the subscribe button. I'll take a thumbs up too, if you like what I'm doing. And subscribe. And subscribe, please. Of course, hit the subscribe button. My goal, my hope is to get over 4,000 subscribers by the end of the day. I'm at 3,700, so.


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[Assistant] I'd like to get another 300 today, it'd be great. Anyway, uh, so the pot, so I, yesterday I had, uh,


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[Assistant] So, this was, I asked him about the quarterback room, the Browns quarterback room, Watson and Walker and all these guys, and what was it like in there? Here's what he said.


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[Assistant] I thought it was interesting that he said, hey listen, we want to be the guy, everybody wants to be the guy, but in the same vein, you're still rooting for that guy to have success. It's kind of a weird...


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[Assistant] Well, I asked him about, I asked him about Watson specifically. I didn't ask him about like his interactions with Watson on the sideline specifically, but I asked him about his relationship with Watson and I asked him about whether he thinks Watson could have success in his system. And that's part of the interview, so.


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[Assistant] He, I asked him about- Does he believe that? I asked him about him and Watson coexisting. I did. Thank you- Yes, I did ask him about that, whether he thinks that could work.


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[Assistant] How long do we have to wait? And if we have to wait, that's fine. Good. He goes after me, put aside. He talked about that. He talked about the coaches getting fired. He talked about pizza.


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[Assistant] I asked him about him screaming at Wyatt Teller. So all of that. It's really fun.


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[Assistant] And Joe was like laughing. I was being, I was getting some silly questions. Sure. And I talked about his coach of course. I referenced our interview that we did with his college coach. Right. A few times and he talked about how his coach likes to embellish.


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[Assistant] So he was really loose. He was really loose. So we, we had fun and I just kept him and he ended up doing 30 minutes. And at the end I was like, Hey Joe, I'm sorry if I kept you too long. He's like, no, I had a ball. You know, you could tell why people like him and he was really,


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[Assistant] And he talks about this, but he was blown away.


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[Assistant] What happens if you come ba- I said, everybody wants you back next year. Right. Everybody on the outside wants you back next year.


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[Assistant] And I said, what happens if Deshaun starts the season, you're the backup, and he's struggling a little bit?


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[Assistant] Are there gonna be guys on the team, on your team saying, you know, maybe Joe should be playing? And he basically said, well that, that stuff shouldn't happen.


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[Assistant] And everybody's gotta put their egos aside for what's the best of the team. He didn't seem concerned about that. Now whether he's being totally honest, you never know. But he did not seem concerned about it.


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[Assistant] No, and no matter, yesterday we had this hot debate about whether his, Brown's career so far has been a disappointment, or whatever it's been. Disaster. Disaster, which is what I said originally. But here's the bottom line.


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[Assistant] Everybody knows that Deshaun Watson's potential upside is way higher than Joe Flack was at this point in their career. And I think Deshaun, who's probably


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[Assistant] Uh, to your point of what you said about motivating, it reminded me of a video I just saw of Larry Bird.


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[Assistant] Because Larry Bird played one year after Magic retired. And Larry said...


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[Assistant] That when Magic retired, he was not as motivated. I remember hearing it. Because his whole career, he every time he practiced.


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[Assistant] In college, in the pros, he said, what's Magic doing now? Right. What's Magic doing now? He said he would go look at the, those are the days when you get the paper and look at the box score. He'd go and look at the box score and see what Magic did. Yeah. And, and for his last, and then Magic retired and he was, I mean, he still was good his last year, but he was like, eh, it's not the same.


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[Assistant] Are you buying what Gia's selling? We're buying it, but we didn't play. You did.


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[Assistant] It's funny because I had one of the questions I wanted to ask him was, would you rather, when you're done, are you going to go down the coaching route or the media route? I just, we had 30 minutes and I just didn't get to everything. And 30 minutes goes fast in an interview like that.


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[Assistant] Cement operation stockpile. We're gonna need Joe Thomas to bless it.


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[Assistant] I don't, I would love to know the breakdown. Mostly the guys that call plays, the OCs that call plays are on teams where the head coach is a defensive guy in most cases. Yes, you're right.


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[Assistant] Seattle's got a lot of skill position talent. I don't personally love Gino, but he's been pretty good in the last few years. Yeah, but I think the other two guys are clearly better. Yes, yeah, I think so.


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[Assistant] Well, and you got one wide receiver. So, I mean, it's not like, you know. The one argument for the Brown's job, and I would say, in this vein,


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[Assistant] They could, you could argue they could be as high as the second choice behind the chargers.


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[Assistant] You've got the Chargers number one. No, no, I've got the Bengals number one, but I'm thinking about this from this, think about it from this perspective. The Bengals and Eagles have been to the Super Bowl the last couple of years. They have.


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[Assistant] Their quarterbacks are, have had success in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] So whoever goes there is not going to get a ton of credit. If the Bengals go to the Super Bowl next year, I don't know that the new OC is going to get a ton of credit. No, you're right. You have to take a team like Cleveland.


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[Assistant] By the way, before you do that, Mike, what would the cap starting lineup be if they made that trade?


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[Assistant] By the way, I think the Cavs are playing so well right now and even though I've kind of poo-pooed it a little bit, like, I think you owe it to the fans to not trade Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] By the way, I know we don't want to go down this road too much. I can't remember everybody's opinion on this real quick. Do you want a retractable roof for the stadium? Because I do. Yes, of course.


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[Assistant] If there's public money, we gotta use it for other things besides football.


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[Assistant] I know, with the snow the other day, it's, I don't know, it was really sad. I was, I was in Subway the other day and there was a homeless guy in there and, uh, he asked the woman behind the counter for a soup and she's like, I can't give it to you for free.


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[Assistant] And you hear all these stories about some of these homeless shelters where people are getting beat up and attacked. It's like there's no safe place for a lot of people to go. No. It sucks. Sucks.


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[Assistant] I think Howard's got one year, right? Yeah, Howard's got one year. So how much better are those guys than what they had? I mean, is it a big difference or?


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[Assistant] He's already done it against great defenses. Is he going to be a fairly high draft pickets next year or? He's running back, they don't get paid. No, I mean, in terms of where running backs go. He'll get a good internship.


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[Assistant] I wish. And the Michigan got a big punter out of the portal, so congratulations. Steve, your 15 minutes of fame is over. You cheated your way to your national championship.


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[Assistant] Sean, on a different note, I'm curious, you know, the AFC championship game, I think we're all fascinated. I personally think whoever wins that game is going to win the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Ravens have clearly been the best team in football this year. There's no doubt about it. But Chief Scott Patrick Mahomes. So who are you leaning towards in that?


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[Assistant] Sean, you know, before this year, Lamar had struggled in the playoffs and he had some disappointing losses. He really hadn't played a good game. I actually thought in the first half against Houston,


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[Assistant] Like especially in the second quarter, I thought he looked a little tight, just from an observer who never played. And then for whatever reason in the second half,


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[Assistant] He looked like that was the best he'd ever played in the playoffs, that second half. Do you think he's kind of a little more free now and relaxed? Or do you still think he has a lot of pressure to try to, you know, get to his first Super Bowl against, uh, Malmes?


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[Assistant] If you look at his career compared to the other great pass rushers in the league, his sacks, obviously there's more, there's other things besides sacks, but if you just look at sacks,


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[Assistant] The other pass rushers in the top ones in the league in their career don't have a noticeable drop off in December and January.


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[Assistant] Why is that? Miles Garrett has a noticeable drop off consistently in his career and we don't get it.


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[Assistant] By the way, guys, on a real quick football note, I don't know what made me look this up real quick, but, uh, something about Sean, instead of about injuries maybe, I don't know. But I was thinking about how we talked all year about how


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[Assistant] There were tons of injuries, right? There was a record number of starting, of players that started games. At quarterback. Yes. But in the end,


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[Assistant] Of the, of the 14 teams that made the playoffs, there were 12 quarterbacks that played every game. Well, some of them didn't play the last game because they had locked it up. But there were 12 quarterbacks in the NFL this year that did not miss a game due to injury. 12.


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[Assistant] Ten of them were on playoff teams. Wow. And of...


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[Assistant] Of the four playoff teams that were not in that group, two of them, their quarterback CJ Stroud and Matthew Stafford only missed one game. So of the 14 playoff teams, 12 of the 14, the quarterback missed one game or zero games due to injury. The Browns and the Steelers were the only teams that made the playoffs starting


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[Assistant] Having to use a backup for more than one game and they both lost in the first round.


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[Assistant] So you got Brooklope has six points and Brooklope has ten points you said. Yeah, I'll put it, yeah. It's just different odds, I guess. Uh, I mean it all sounds good to me, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Because we don't, I don't think we do this, uhm. You don't go on vacation. No, no, we go on vacations. However, we don't go on vacation with non-family members.


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[Assistant] I'm going to defer to what steakhouse you and your wife. That's like having two wives. Like, can you, you, this, what is the criteria?


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[Assistant] Jason, I'm telling you man, well maybe what I want to do is bleed your family out of it. Like McNuggets just said, I've been trying to do this for years. I want to do a Cleveland sports media reality show. And for two weeks, we take every single name guy that's in the industry. I want to see Jason Lloyd with King Carmen.


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[Assistant] Best written piece. Tag team shows. And then people get eliminated by doing that. You gotta leave the house. You gotta leave the house. Hey bro your monologue was trash.


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[Assistant] See, that's the hard part about it, man. I can't really get into it. I can't really just jump off the roof.


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[Assistant] Because I don't know what's going on with these play callers. Like, I don't, until I see who it is, because you don't know what we're going to actually do. If it's a guy that we don't really know much about, and he really ain't no big name, we're like, no, Spencer's still calling the place.


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[Assistant] I mean, I like Jalen Hurts, but let's not act like he has these same problems dating back to college.


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[Assistant] Like, he can throw to football, but he's not deadly accurate. You're not gonna give Jalen Hurts to football and be like, oh my goodness, it's 80 yards to go and he gotta lead him down the field. Like, I just don't know if Jalen Hurts is, is that dude, like,


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[Assistant] I don't see it. It just, and it looks like he had a good year. He took a little bit of a step back. Maybe some injuries involved. Uhm, and then you throw it at him to make sure you have a bad season.


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[Assistant] I'm going to make a pact to say listen, I'm not. You know who's good? Patrick Mahomes. Everybody over here. He's in the class. Like, like, I'm going to just stop doubting.


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[Assistant] Now you, you, you, you, you got more teams to compete with. Oh, by the way, Aaron Rodgers is coming back, so I don't know how they're going to be. And Burroughs going to be healthy. Burroughs going to be healthy. Lamar Jackson is former MVP.


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[Assistant] I give Stefanski credit for over some of these other dudes. You don't see Stefanski, I got a lot of respect for him for this. We talked about it a little bit after the show. I was begging on the drum to get rid of your boy, we'll say Joe Woods.


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[Assistant] The second he almost when he got here. We was talking about him after the Browns played the Chiefs and we're like, how do you let them the third and 14th with, with, uh, Chad Henney? Why? How do you let that happen? But I'll give, I'll give some fancy credit.


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[Assistant] You know what he did? He said, look, I know he might not be the coach of what we need to do right now at this point, but he let him finish the season.


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[Assistant] He didn't fire him in the season because he knows that isn't proper etiquette. And it, it, it lights people up to say, you know what? It's the dumpster fire over here. Cause why are you firing guys in the middle of the season? That means you made a bad decision. When he did, let him finish it out.


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[Assistant] You, you can't even be worked with professionally. So now you look at Siriano, he won a coach of the year, but when you start getting guys moving out in the middle of the year, you start throwing people under the bus, people start side eyeing you a little bit.


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[Assistant] No way. No, I don't want to see that. What have you, what have you said? Not Brian Johnson this year, but the Eagles Super Bowl Ryan, Brian Johnson. Would you take that guy? Well, he was the quarterback coach. Oh, he wasn't the coordinator? No, he wasn't. Oh, well, okay. Shane Steichen was the coordinator. Sorry, buddy.


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[Assistant] I'll save that, I'll save that analogy for when we get to that. But the case for Kevin Stefanski keeping his play calling ability is I say yesterday or a couple days ago, we argued over Deshaun Watson. I said he's only played 11 games, right? And if you're Kevin Stefanski, you're going to, you're going to want to go to the front office and say, hey, look, you telling me


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[Assistant] In only 11 games, while he's not practicing, I gotta give a play calling. I haven't even...


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[Assistant] I haven't even worked with the guy. That's true. I haven't even worked with him. Like, you know, he couldn't practice half that season. Then he got hurt. We was trying to mask him and mismatch and make sure that he could stay on the field. So I don't know why I would give up play calling for, uh, you know, 11 games when guess what? I need the opportunity to work one. And also Stefanski will know.


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[Assistant] More about his personnel than anybody else that comes in there.


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[Assistant] Right? He knows what their skill sets are. He gets his instincts, right? You've been here, of course. So that, that informs your play calling when you want to call and dial certain things up because you know the personnel. Another guy is going to be blind to it. He's just going to come in and say, well, I'm going to run this play. You run that. And obviously some fancy guys have some say.


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[Assistant] But I think that's, that would be his main drawback in his rebuttal that's saying like, look, I know the team, I know how to call plays, and like Jason says,


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[Assistant] I'm moldable. I know the game of football. Football, I can learn from anybody. I'll bring somebody in to learn and I can, I can implement that on the field. I'm not rigid. So in that case, I, you know, it makes a pretty good case to not give it up.


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[Assistant] So, I think, I think Kevin Stefanski, if you play in the game of thrones, uhm, sometimes you gotta fall back, sometimes you gotta let go.


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[Assistant] Let it go. Look, it may seem like a step back, but here's how you spin it. The last time you was in control of the offense, your team went to the playoffs with all these backups.


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[Assistant] I don't think he would be fired. You know who the blame would go down on? The offensive coordinator, Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Sometimes it's not a good fit because they set you up. So maybe something, maybe his place is somewhere else that's better suited at the end of the day.


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[Assistant] I was going to say this is labor, but you know, as I went to counseling back in the day, uh, you know, I would go to a counselor and he would say, you know, when I got married, he'd say, hey, you know, you're supposed to change, uh, when you get married, right? And I said, yea, I am changed. He said, no.


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[Assistant] You said you've been in this meeting and you've mentioned four or five other different groups of people. You've mentioned your mom, your dad, your family, your friends, your co-workers.


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[Assistant] You haven't mentioned your wife. And when you get married, your wife...


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[Assistant] Is right there with you. Nobody comes before your wife. At all. And in the world of football, no one comes before the quarterback.


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[Assistant] We gave Deshaun Watson a bunch of money here. We are married, for better or worse.


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[Assistant] Jimmy Haslam, whether he likes Kevin Stefanski or not, or he likes what the other team and pieces of parts are, you have to side with your wife.


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[Assistant] The decision to let Bill Belichick run Tom Brady out of town. He said, Bill told me this guy couldn't play anymore.


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[Assistant] They were so desperate. I know a lot of people that, uh, that got, I know a lot of people that their wife died, they mid-fifties, got a lot of money on their hands and they meet somebody walking up looking 25, shapely. Robert Kraft. They make a whole lot of bad decisions. Robert billionaire in America. Robert Kraft. You're right. Hey, Jay's like, that's half of my friends.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I set it up, I set it up cool, like go ahead. Oh, just wait till you hit that bit like, yeah. Oh, listen, listen, you be, I mean, you start first, it starts with shoes, then it goes to cars, then it's backyard renovations. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That, that because it's gonna cover about a 20 year period because you can't tell the Baker story without saying all the, all the L's because they're gonna put Johnny in there. Oh for sure.


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[Assistant] I believe they will bring in a more seasoned veteran office coordinator. I don't think Kevin Stefanski will call the plays.


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[Assistant] I think this guy will call plays and I think Tommy Reese is a guy who is in the wings that could be jettisoned and moved off as a coordinator whether the guy performs worse or bad. I just, I think right now the higher ups are saying this. Listen, uh, we want


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[Assistant] Jashon Watson have a new voice. Uhm, sometimes new voices are good, sometimes they're bad. We'll see how it works. I don't, I don't see any crazy names that I'm seeing now that would make me excited, but at the end of the day, you know, we'll see how it works. Maybe it's new people, new personnel.


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[Assistant] Nah, I think Kevin's too pragmatic. And I think Kevin's best skill set to me ain't even called it plays. It's the fact that he has a calming


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[Assistant] Like persona and presence in the locker room. It would be an un-Kevin-like move. And people would play hard for him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, I go back to it. You know, you can look at the relationship between Stump Mitchell and I, you know, we like a lot of names around here in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Relationship with Stump Mitchell and Kareem Hunt and sometimes all those guys. You know what stood out to me was, that seemed kind of a chaotic relationship.


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[Assistant] Like, he didn't have to say anything about Kareem Hunt, but when he did, it opened him up to say, okay, well why couldn't you get to Kareem Hunt? What was you talking to him about? What was the certain things?


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[Assistant] He's, yeaah, yes, that was in the interview, yeaah. So what, why did, when he said they brought in a lot of guys, some of them I didn't agree with.


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[Assistant] He said he, they brought some guys in. I didn't necessarily ask for them or agree with it, but I tried. I said, what do you mean?


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[Assistant] That means that is a, that is a scarlet letter. This guy.


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[Assistant] Am I, am I concerned about it or is it something I'm surprised about? No. But I will say this, in this industry,


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[Assistant] I would look badly upon someone. That's like saying, if I left this show, right?


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[Assistant] And then people will say, you know, we know Adam Bull is a hothead. He says the way he feels.


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[Assistant] And I leave the show, go to a new show and I do a public interview and be like, I don't know, let me tell you what he was doing. X, Y, Z. I tried to tell him he was tripping. Like, whoa, whoa, people, Jason, man, that was Bush league, bro. You couldn't let that at the house.


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[Assistant] Uh, listen man, I think Deuce Staley, like he said, I think he's gonna give a new voice. Uhm, because Jerome Ford left a lot of food on his plate. There was a lot of yards that could have been had. He had some bursts in the one, and what he did,


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[Assistant] He has that long ability to get to the, to the house. So some of them long runs that he has intoxicates you a little bit. You're like, man.


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[Assistant] If we could just get this, this kid to run between the tackles. It's the vision, the patience. There's times where Jerome Ford is just running. Shout out to Wyatt Teller's ankles and knees. He just running in the back of his V just, hey!


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[Assistant] Come on, you just cut back lanes. It's available for you. Patience, vision. Somebody need to sit down with him and get you some film. I said, look, bro.


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[Assistant] You see, Rega Blocker set it up. Matter of fact, he should live with Nick Chubb. Cause I just went back to see if I forgot how good Nick Chubb was.


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[Assistant] Trent Richardson should be a big time running back that had thousands of yards in his


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[Assistant] He would, this guy, Maurice Claret was going against the greatest team I've ever seen, Assemble. And I got a good friend, Mike Dawson, that, that team that was All-American three times. And I told him to his face, you got Andre Johnson, there's, listen, you talk about Kellen Winslow, McGahey. I said, y'all in trouble. Like, and he, like, but Claret gave him the swag, like,


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[Assistant] In the hood, Randall Cunningham was like Michael Jordan, bro. Like, not saying like he had the skill, but cultural phenomenon, dudes running around, jumping over people running around, Cunningham was crazy.


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[Assistant] And the crazy part about it is, Kobe Bryant had to die before he got props.


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[Assistant] These are lifetime and popularity contests amongst good players.


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[Assistant] One of the things that we gotta take into consideration is this. When you start off the regular season,


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[Assistant] And, and the premise that we talk about is, if you don't want to say Miles Garrett is the most double-teamed, there's years he is by far, there's years he may be second.


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, when you talk about attention on the football field, Miles Garrett demands the most attention on the football field. They've proven it statistically, you can see it in chips and things. Was he the most doubled team this year though? I thought it was, uh.


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[Assistant] When you deal with that amount as a defensive end plan, when you deal with that amount of people touching your body at one point in time.


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[Assistant] When you got a chip from here, and you got a chip from here, and they slide in your way, that takes a lot out of you. The energy level that you got, you got to think these guys is 330, 340 pounds, you see in most of them, and while you engage, the tight end is hitting you, and the running back is going your way.


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[Assistant] That takes a lot out of you. Your body is getting knocked and dinged and so you might start off in the beginning of the season. Right. Where you're starting off like a game buster. But that takes a toll on you. It's like the LeBron minutes. Like yea, do you want LeBron playing 40 minutes? Can he do it? Sure.


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[Assistant] I can look at it and say, look man, this is a war that also has to do with how well your unit did defensively. The Browns are number one all year and they're carrying quarterbacks. It's very hard to say.


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[Assistant] Can you be the defensive player that year in basketball and have the worst defense rating in the league?


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[Assistant] But here's the thing, you gotta overkill it. Ahtani overkilled everybody. It was not even close. So you're like, even if he played his team was bad, he overkilled it. And my thing, my thing is this, you know, it's a, it's a lifetime achievement, achievement where there's, there's years- Well that shouldn't be either. But watch this, I'm just saying what it is. There's years Miles Gator had better years than this, and he was nowhere in the running.


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[Assistant] I, you know, this is the funny part about it. People talk about it. I think, uh, I think what's the name? I forget who said this was coach for Denver Broncos. What's the name? Um, Sean Payton said that he said the sack sacks is the most useless.


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[Assistant] He was like, there's, there's so many different things. Quarterbacks could fall down. Sometimes you don't even get blocked. Sometimes, and guess what? Those count, right? I think it doesn't tell the whole story.


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[Assistant] I just think the advanced analytics that people love, all of them point to Miles Garrett. Well, but a lot of people here don't


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[Assistant] Yes, you are going to, if you are a guy that's getting double teamed, you will wear down. Now does it completely obfuscate you from not showing up against the Texans? No, because you had two, three weeks off. But at the end of the day, you can look at it and say, alright, well look, that plays a role and he's injured some time.


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[Assistant] Last night was one of those things where you had Darius, not Darius Garland, but Donovan Mitchell. He's been playing a point, he's been moving the ball around. I learned that with the style that they play right now, if they have a bad shooting night, it's done. Like,


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[Assistant] Like, John and Scott would be wanted. Uhm, obviously that's just John is doing him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, not, not very much. Like, I think they play solid defense, but when you get, I think Donovan Mitchell had a really bad shoot night. I think when I turned the game off, he was like one for eight behind the arc. Dean Wade hit a three. Uhm, but you know, uh, Niang and Strews didn't have a really great shooting night. Karis Avert struggled.


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[Assistant] When they're playing like this and they want to shoot a lot of threes, they better hit them, right? When they're hitting threes, they're very, very good at, you know, extending the games and I think they could win games like that if they hit shots.


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[Assistant] When you get Darius Garland. Because now instead of Donovan Mitchell, you got Darius. And Darius like to pat that ball. Darius will pat the ball, it's been ball movement. How does it look at, and McNugget said this too, and I wanted to ask Jason this, is Evan Bobley even as good as Allen at the one out, one big four out?


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[Assistant] Because I, I think offensively Jared Allen. Careful, there'll be people that watch.


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[Assistant] But people like Valen Chulis has developed the three point shot. Lopez developed a bit of a three point shot. Guys like that who never used to be able to shoot threes. Uhm, even, you know, I'ma be honest, Laurie Market was always a shooter, but I didn't think he was knocking them down at that rate when he played for Chicago.


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[Assistant] I mean sometimes it is, like, I think we don't, we underestimate God given ability. Sometimes you ain't got it. Like you try all you want. I could go out and I could train and pitch and do whatever I want to. I'm not gonna be pitching like Jay. It's just not in the cards.


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[Assistant] Like, can you imagine? Like, like, like Mobley is the new Tristan Thompson.


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[Assistant] And I'm Jason Lloyd, and as always, we're gonna have the pre-written headlines, we're gonna tell you what happened, and I have a very special headline you're not gonna wanna miss. Mikey.


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[Assistant] You have to be able to run the ball to win. The Browns don't run the ball, they still win. You can't have penalties to win. They have penalties all over the place. Holdings, offsides, and they still win. Nothing makes sense with this team. They just find ways to win. Numbers don't matter. Does he have to throw for 300? No, he doesn't have to. Be nice if he did. Be nice if he didn't have three turnovers.


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[Assistant] But it just doesn't matter with this team. They figure out a way in the fourth quarter to get wins, regardless of what, whatever happens before that and whatever the numbers say.


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[Assistant] That's actually, that's a great call because there is a DTR package in there. It's bigger than what we've seen and one of these weeks they're going to unleash it. I feel like I'm cheating. I went with Martin Emerson. I've been the Martin Emerson


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[Assistant] With a backup quarterback this week, you're going to shade to the other side. I just think this is setting up for a big game for Martin Emerson. I don't even know if he's really a surprise contributor. He's one of the pillars of this team right now. So I kind of cheated a little bit because Denchel gets all of the, all of the attention and all of the credit. I'm going to stick with my guy, Martin Emerson.


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[Assistant] Browns take the Texans lightly. If the Browns lose this game, it's not because...


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[Assistant] I mean this has big wild card implications too. The Texans are right in the thick of this. If they lose the game, it's probably because some of these things that have gone wrong all year finally caught up to them. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't taking this game seriously or anything like that. There's just too much at stake. There's too much on the line right now for this game.


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[Assistant] I said more people should be calling Kevin Stefanski an astronaut.


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[Assistant] And he loves a challenge and I've said all year, I think the reason that they're so successful and he embraces this is because he loves the idea of like, all right, what do we have to work with? Let's figure it out. I've called him a guy ever before. I was talking to Dee Dee Kinkaballa, who obviously CBS sideline reporter. She's done a number of Brown's games.


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[Assistant] She's a favorite of our show on YouTube. And I was talking to her about this idea that I just think Kevin loves the idea of a challenge. And she said, you know, it's funny you mention that.


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[Assistant] When they were talking to him during a pre-production meeting, they were talking about the movie Apollo 13. And Kevin said his favorite part of the movie is when they dump the box out on the table and they said we have to fit a square peg into a round hole and they've got duct tape and tubes and all this other stuff. And the clock is ticking. And the clock's ticking and you gotta figure this out.


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[Assistant] And she said that was his favorite part of the movie. And it just goes back to show you, I think why he thrives and why he's so successful in this crazy season with all these injuries is because he loves the idea of taking a stapler, duct tape, some kerosene and building a bomb out of it that can explode on the field on Sunday.


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[Assistant] I'll take CJ Stroud. I think he's been remarkable this year for a rookie. When you factor in contract, age, injury history, all that stuff, it's, it's a slam dunk for me. I, I, sorry. I, and that doesn't mean I don't think Deshaun Watson can do well in Cleveland, but CJ Stroud, there's just too much.


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[Assistant] Fans celebrated a win on a defensive stand. Touchdowns were hung by Najoku and Cooper. The Browns are 10 and 5! No one misses Austin Hooper!


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[Assistant] No Deshawn, no O-line, no running game to fear, but Flacco to Goodwin, and all became clear. The defense is fierce, points and yards hard to find. Hey ref! They're holding miles! You must be blind!


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[Assistant] The defense is solved. Woods to Schwartz was the fixin'. On Oboe, on Jock, on Miles, they're blitzin'. Run Kareem, run Ford, behind Wyatt they score. To the top of the north, together they soar. Houston had a problem, his name Denzel Ward. No Stroud, no chance. One Buckeye, one award.


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[Assistant] The Browns broke the Texans, stole their stockings and fled. The wild card is theirs with two games ahead. Then I heard Kevin exclaim as the plane left our site. Happy playoffs to all and to all a good night.


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[Assistant] So, so, so out of curiosity, Mike, you and I played 1 on 1, 2 on 11. What's the score?


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[Assistant] Don't think I'll lose. And I'm not, I haven't, like hooping like that I haven't done, cause I did a couple of runs with Cardell on Tuesdays, but I'm nowhere near what I used to be and I still don't think I'll lose to Mike.


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[Assistant] But that's the thing though, when you get those, when you batting them little chump chains, you always like, just bat something crazy out. Yea, yea, yea. Sometimes it hits, sometimes it don't.


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[Assistant] I could. I could do soccer, hockey, baseball, basketball.


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[Assistant] And that's the, that's the seed. It's gonna be hard. But this game is to clinch a playoff spot. So this one got much more implications on it to where I feel like more people gonna be. First of all, it's the last home game because


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[Assistant] We're not guaranteed no home games in the playoffs. So if you want to see your Browns play in person, this magical season that they've had, you're going to have to come to this game. Right. The weather is supposed to be fairly decent. Yeah, like 40 degrees. Yeah, right. Fairly decent.


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[Assistant] It's a night game. All night games always bring more people to it and it's more electric from that standpoint. And it's a game that...


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[Assistant] I can see it being that now, matchup wise.


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[Assistant] You would think the Browns should win. I think, I still believe it's gonna be closer than a lot of people think.


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[Assistant] When I'm leaving the cardiac club and going up to the press box. So like I get to be there for intros and stuff like that. So I hear all of that and I see the fans doing all that. Then half time I leave and I still hear them when I'm walking out the stadium. I can hear them. That's how I know somebody made a play. When I walk into my car it goes crazy.


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[Assistant] It should. It should. You think, you would think. I just, like I said, it's just the Jets. If it was 49ers or something like that, then yeaah, it'd be. I don't think the opponent matters in this instance. Yeaah, dude. Yeaah, dude. Because it's what's at stake for the Braves. I hear you on that, but still, people always still want to see a good game. Well, if it was the Steelers or the Ravens.


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[Assistant] I mean, listen, it's a chance to be a part of something that you don't see a lot.


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[Assistant] So I think, I think from that standpoint, that would make me go to be like, I finally can say that I watched him clinch, like live in front of me, I watched him clinch. Like that's something not a lot of people can say unless you was there in 2002.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, uh, for some odd reason I do believe that even though college stadium hold more fans, I think NFL, I think NFL stadiums are much more louder, if that makes sense. Uhm, and the Browns is a, is a real rowdy town, so I think that they'll get much more louder, uhm, than a college stadium for sure.


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[Assistant] I mean it's been times that it's been loud, but not consistently. Penn State is loud. Penn State is the loudest stadium I've ever been in in my career.


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[Assistant] You can't have a season where the most brown thing hadn't happened yet. So that's something that only happened to the browns.


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[Assistant] No, he was their kicker. No, I'm talking about how the Browns just got him. What was he? He was free agent?


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[Assistant] Good numbers. What is his, uh, so past 50 yards, he's 50%.


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[Assistant] This is what I was- That's over 90%. I was on the- Who was I talking to? Was it Phil? Maybe it was Phil Dawson I was talking to on the radio. You know, Phil was talking about-


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[Assistant] How, when he was a kicker for the Browns, he said the ones that he didn't care about the most was the ones that was over 50 yards. Because he says it's like a 50-50 chance you're gonna make that anyway. So you just line up and kick it as, kick it the best as you can. But the ones that's under that, that's where the pressure's at.


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[Assistant] Oh, I like that. I mean, listen. That's 92%. I just, the Browns just know that.


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[Assistant] You gotta get it under 50. That's, that's probably the way they look at it. He seems like he's pretty good there. Dustin Hopkins was special because he was able to make those and being with Bubba Ventrone, obviously they got together. He helped them out on a couple of things and he helped them be more successful.


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[Assistant] Hopefully Bubba can do that with Patterson. I know it's a short week, so that might take a little bit of time, but.


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[Assistant] And for these next two weeks, listen, I just need him to make the ones under 50 yards. I think that's where the Browns are.


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[Assistant] But still, he still gotta go to Green Bay and he still had to go to, uh, Chicago.


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[Assistant] Let me ask, Mike, let me ask you this. You can look this up. Where was he at when he missed the field goals? Can you look that up?


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, if it's under 50, I trust them. If it's over 50, it's a court. But you know what? We got two games to find out.


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[Assistant] Wait a minute, Jason, see this is the part, this is the part that y'all are so stuck on. Y'all so stuck on the fact that if Joe Flacco went down, it would be PJ.


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[Assistant] You don't think if Joe Flacco went down and they sound Nick Foles and he was even a smidget of what he was when they- Did you say a smidget? A smidget of what he was when the Eagles won it all. That they couldn't win it all.


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[Assistant] He's never been good in his career. Alright, so if he was a little, say he was 70% that guy, they couldn't win the Super Bowl?


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[Assistant] more likely to happen. The Jets get shut out on Thursday night football. I just, I think their offense is just struggling. Trevor Simeon is not


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[Assistant] Looking that great. Breeze Hall looks pretty good, but I think the Browns do a really good job of, you know, stopping the run as of lately.


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[Assistant] And I just don't see, I, I, I, I don't see it. Like, Garrett, Garrett Wilson, go Bucks, is really good.


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[Assistant] But so is our secondary, you know, and I don't, I just don't think anybody outside of him is a guy that can really hurt you in the passing game. So I think they're going to do a great job of taking him away. And as long as you stop Brice Hall, there's really nothing there. So I, I just don't, the 13-plus, I don't see it. So more likely getting shut out.


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[Assistant] You know why I think I'ma go with the shutout over the 13th? Why? Because for some odd reason, the Browns tend to play better at nighttime. Primetime games.


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[Assistant] They play better at home too. At home, prime time game. So I think that knowing that this is a chance to clinch and to have, be making a special moment. Let's make the moment very special and shut out a bad offense. I think they'll be more motivated to do that so we can rest next week.


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[Assistant] Is it gonna be a shutout or do they get 13 points? What's likely?


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[Assistant] I'm saying it's more likely they get to shut out, but I'm not saying that they're going to shut their mouth. I said, my prediction is like 10 to 3.


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[Assistant] What's, what's Jerome Four's numbers on the year? I think his average is 3.8 yards a character.


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[Assistant] No, but I put more of it on him. So you, so you in the Pierre Strong campaign too. Well why not try somebody else?


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[Assistant] This is my thing. Pierre Strong to me.


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[Assistant] He gets, he, it's, it's at times he gets like six, seven yard carries. Jerome Ford seldomly, even when they throw a jailbreak.


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[Assistant] No, Pierre Strong got good vision. He just don't get enough carries. My personal opinion, I would at least give him at least 10 to see what he do, because he was averaging, what, 10 to carry, right, before he...


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[Assistant] But the last three weeks to me is an asterisk. I'm sorry, they are. Because you went up against the 29th Frank Pass defense, the 27th and the 25th?


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[Assistant] You better. You better put up those types of numbers. Well, those types of numbers are bonkers, but I understand your point. You know what I'm saying. I agree with you. So I, but the Jets, I don't know. Do you know what the Jets ranked past D?


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. Oh, I gotta know this. Yeaah. This game will tell me everything I need to know because at some point, if I'm playing up against the... Nah, it's a cat and mouse game that's going on. We've been sitting here talking about how the run game has been absolutely terrible, right?


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[Assistant] And, they still run play action. Like that's, obviously he just gave the stat, we lead the lead. So at some point, some teams gonna say to themselves, we don't respect the run game, we gonna just play pass.


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[Assistant] And now the run game will start looking more effective because now your linebackers will be loosened up because they're worried about the pass. So at some point it's gonna catch up.


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[Assistant] The good news is, he needs to do it two, six more times? Six more times. He can go off the cliff after six games.


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[Assistant] One can wish, but you gotta do it. You didn't do it, Joe. They love you at Cliff. I heard you talk about you went to a restaurant and they applauded you and your family as you walked in. Why wouldn't they love them? It's crazy. If this thing go off a cliff, I'm just telling you. You know what? I'm telling you.


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[Assistant] Wow. So, so Mike Evans haven't done that? Nope.


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[Assistant] I think when you turn the tape on, if you look at Miles and say go and he beat his dude, but the running back slide over, that's still a win for Miles because he beat the title.


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[Assistant] History, you should say. Last year, obviously, the two-minute drop, the two-minute situation that happened, uh, Joe Flacco going back to play the Jets after they didn't call him back. Elijah Moore going back to play his former team. How much of that do you think plays a part into this game?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, how long have you been covering the Cleveland Browns? Oh my gosh. I don't talk about them anymore.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, because the reason being is because obviously it's a big game. I was going to ask about the atmosphere. I was going to ask, do you think that this is going to be the great, the best atmosphere for the Cleveland Browns or do you think the...


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[Assistant] What a thing for me is I never hated Baker. I never thought he was like Obama. I never hated him.


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[Assistant] Well the one, the one thing about having Nick Chubb back there is he makes people miss. You know, that was the best thing. Better than anybody, and he breaks tackles better than anybody. Exactly. So even though the run, the line is not great or with all the injuries, he'd still be effective because he, that's how he operates. So I think that's the one.


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[Assistant] Because it was, it was, it was something that's funny. I think I, why not give it a three and a half, maybe four, three and a half, something like that.


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[Assistant] Alright, so, that's the thing. I think this season, over the course of this season, has told you that Kevin Stefanski obviously knows what he's doing. You know, all these different injuries, all these different quarterbacks, and he's still finding a way to put points up on the board and win games.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying AVP can't do that. We don't know. You know, because we know it's Kevin Stefanski calling the plays. What I'm saying is it's much more difficult if you give the same circumstances to it.


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[Assistant] Anybody else outside of Kevin Stefanski, if you gave it to AVP, I don't know he handles it the same way. The only thing we got to go off of is AVP handled the COVID game, uh, when he had Nick Mullins and it came down to the end, right? Am I right when I say that?


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[Assistant] He, in the playoff game, obviously he had a healthier team. With the Raiders, he didn't have his starting quarterback. That's why I'm going off of that.


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[Assistant] And they ended up losing that game. It was a close game. He did have Nick Chubb, but I just think that it wouldn't be the same. I'm not, I think fans have finally got over that Kevin's defense need to give him a play call. I do the Browns radio and I ain't heard it in at least. The last time I heard it was the Seattle game.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree. I think that the problem was that, you know, it took...


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[Assistant] Maybe more, a couple more games than people anticipated. Everybody thought that, you know, after the six games last year, they come into this season and they just be clicking on all cylinders and that just wasn't the case. And you know, I think Mary Kay brought up a good point where she was like,


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[Assistant] We was awful, you know, you think about this off season and training camp, you got a, you got this whole package with Elijah Moore and then we get into the season and it doesn't work. So now you got to scram like, all right, we got to scrap that whole thing. And that's a, I'm just saying that's a part of the awesome.


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[Assistant] I don't necessarily think that's the truth. I think that he does a great job of one of his progressions in hitting the guys. Cause he is, like I say, it's Kevin's thing. He said, like I said, I watched, I listened to him say, he said, Kevin Stefanski draws up the plays and I just execute the play.


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[Assistant] So they're winning their, their matchups. And then on top of that, Mark Cooper's having these big games. With Deshaun Watson, he still had good games. The only person that, the only person, the only people that's coming alive more is, you get, you see Cedric Tillman come in there every night.


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[Assistant] Whatever. But you said statistically Joe is better. And I'm telling you, if I went up against that terrible passing defense, I think I'd throw for almost the same amount of yards the same. I think Deshaun would have did the same thing.


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[Assistant] But, flackle through for over, has to over 13.


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[Assistant] So Kevin Stefanski is the quarterback whisperer. Roll it!


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[Assistant] Okay, I gave this an 8. The only reason I didn't give it a 10 is because there's some, because of the way that this question was worded. Okay, so let me, let me tell you why I said 8 and not a 10. If it was Pukka Nakua that we see today, it'd be a 10.


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[Assistant] But the problem is the Browns have not done a really great job of developing wide receivers. Obviously we've seen them draft three in the third round and they have not amounted to anything.


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[Assistant] So with that being said, I have to take into consideration that


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[Assistant] We have to develop Puka Nakua. See, that Puka Nakua is the...


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[Assistant] Ram's version of Pooka Nakua. They done a great job of developing him and making him what he is. With the Cleveland Browns, we don't have a great track record, so.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say he wouldn't be the exact Pooka Nakua that he is today, but I do like him better than where everybody else that would be on his talent compared to everybody else that's on the Cleveland Browns roster outside of Amari Cooper. So that's why I give it A. What do y'all think of that?


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[Assistant] But I'm saying, he's not puka though. No. But he was, he was, I'm sure, okay, so when the draft comes out, everybody gets a draft grade of what round you're projected. So it's not just one person that thinks that,


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[Assistant] Pooka was a fifth round pick. Like the Rams ain't the only team that thought that he was a fifth round pick. People thought he was probably worse than that. Amazing.


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[Assistant] So from a, from a talent standpoint and from watching film, people graded Cedric Tillman as a third round pick. Somewhere in that area. So from a, from a talent standpoint and watching him, you would think that he would be better. Right? Coming in. Right, but it doesn't always work that way.


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[Assistant] I'm saying, my point of saying that is, talent.


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[Assistant] No, they, I think that Cedric Tillman has more talent.


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[Assistant] No, well people think that I think that Joe Flacco is just getting lucky and that.


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[Assistant] I think he's talented and I think some of the things he's doing is great. The fact that he's going through his progressions and being able to find where to go and the fact that he is distributing the football, I think all of that is great. I just think that


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[Assistant] It's, the teams that he's going against aren't a really good passing defense. I mean, if he can do those same things against a team like the Jets who got a great defense, then I think that we can, we, I'm wacko for Flacco like everybody else.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Joe, not Joe Flacco, stop saying that man's name, Kevin Stefanski. He studied under Gary Kubiak? Yep.


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[Assistant] Correct. And Gary Kubiak was with Baltimore, right? Or was he officer? At one point he was. He was officer coordinator? So technically Joe Flackos ran with Kevin Stefanski. Yes. Well that's why it works then. That's why to him it's not that...


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[Assistant] Did they give that to you? Yeah, they gave it to me because they got a charity. Homage.


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[Assistant] The NFC South is very, is trash. Is trash, yeaah. 100%.


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[Assistant] How far do they go with Joe Flacco?


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[Assistant] Steve wanted us to know that in 2014, Flacco threw for 3,986 yards in a career high of 27 touchdowns under Kubiak. There you go. So bam, there's your answer.


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[Assistant] If the joku goes down, they love Austin Hoot. Not Austin Hoot.


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[Assistant] I'm not going down this road with you no more. It's 1259, finish up. No, you're wrong. Finish up.


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[Assistant] Run the risk of building up rust. To me, it's a no-brainer, guys. I rest them. The Browns haven't...


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[Assistant] The Browns haven't had a bye week since week five. They had the earliest bye week. They've been the most beat up team in all the league. And yes, they have thrived in the chaos. They have done a magnificent job dealing with injuries.


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[Assistant] But this is a no-brainer here. Joe Flacco is a veteran.


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[Assistant] If I was going with a young quarterback, maybe I would think otherwise, because, you know, he hasn't been here before. Joe Flacco's been to the playoffs many, many times. And he is, has, you know, he has as many road wins, he and Tom Brady, I think a 1-2. They're tied. He's second? They're tied. They're tied. Is it 9 or 11?


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[Assistant] I don't want to waste one of those games in the tank in a game that is 100% meaningless. The Browns cannot move from the 5 spot. It's not like even they could drop to the 6 or something like that. No, they are locked 100% to the 5 spot.


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[Assistant] Uh, in case you cared about it, the game doesn't mean anything to the Bengals, so it's not like you're affecting the playoffs in another way. So, to me, there's guys that are banged up that I can't play, including offensive linemen.


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[Assistant] And that's another reason. It's like, well, if I'm going to sit a couple of offensive linemen that are banged up, I'm not putting Joe Flacco behind a bunch of backups. So to me, it's an absolute no-brainer. I sit all the important players.


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[Assistant] And I want to see Cedric Tillman and David Bell get 10 parties. That's exactly right. You know, let these guys play a lot. That's it. And think about this. You mentioned, you guys both mentioned Jacksonville, Indianapolis, and Houston. You know what else they have in common besides all being alive for the AFC South Championship?


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[Assistant] And they're risking injuries and all this stuff. And that's it. The only reason to consider playing is the whole rest versus rust. But nobody's ever been able to prove for me. Every time a team that had to buy losers is like, well they were rusty. Well do we know that's why they lost? We don't know that.


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[Assistant] It's not rest versus rust, rust. It's risk versus reward. And to me, him playing is either no reward or a minuscule reward, where the risk is way too high.


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[Assistant] Give it to me. Isn't this the fir- I think this is the first time the Browns have been in this situation since the 90s. I can't remember it. Ever. At least.


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[Assistant] They're already in. Right, didn't happen in 2020. No, it didn't happen in 2002. And you gotta go back to 90.


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[Assistant] Well, I think the Bills are gonna win and win the division. I think too. They are.


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[Assistant] What does he have? I don't know what he has left in the tank. Obviously, he worked out for somebody a few weeks ago.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, and he's certainly not much older than that, even if he is 30. Oh, he's 31. 29. He's 31. That's young? No. That's young enough for one postseason run.


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[Assistant] I just feel like Jarvis can come off the couch and catch your five passes for 50 yards.


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[Assistant] It's not like you signed him to a big deal. But even if it ends up not being Jarvis, even though he's our first choice for all of us, they should bring in somebody, because that was a pretty vicious concussion that Elijah Moore had. I mean, Marquis Goodwin missed five weeks when he had the concussion.


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[Assistant] Right now the Browns have two great options in the passing. Cooper and Najoku were thrilled with them both. They're both doing great. You need that third trusted option.


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[Assistant] Is it back or is it gone? Do you care about the Missouri game, by the way? Does that matter? I care zero about that game. Yea, I didn't care about it, did you? Zero.


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[Assistant] What, from an outsider's perspective, what always made Ohio State special, and what made them one of the elite teams in college football, is that Ohio, in terms of high school talent, is probably what? Third? Fourth? Fifth best in the country? Third or fourth, depending.


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[Assistant] If you think of most of the other states that are great, especially Texas, Florida, and California, well there's a lot of big time colleges in all three of those states.


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[Assistant] They have an advantage. You have one big time college here. Cincinnati's not, I know they've had a couple years, but they're not a big time college. They're not a national university. They're not. Ohio State is a national university. You get students from all over the country, but what's special is you have a state with amazing high school talent.


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[Assistant] Maybe it's been trending that way in a while and I didn't notice it, but I feel like since Ryan Day's been there, that magic of being from Ohio has started to disappear from the school.


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[Assistant] Do you expect anybody of significance to actually play in this game?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. With BJ Walker. I don't think you can look too much at a win-loss record on a short sample size for a backup quarterback. Yeaah, that's tough. By the way, the league should change the rule, because you can only bring up two guys from the practice squad each week. I think for the last week of the season, they should make all the practice squad guys eligible to play.


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[Assistant] This way you could have all those extra guys. Like in baseball they expand the rosters in September. That's a good idea. You should do it for the last game or two. I like that.


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[Assistant] This shouldn't be, this is reviewable and this isn't. The sky judge should just get the calls right. If it's an obvious mistake, correct it. If I have to look for two minutes, no. 30 seconds, the obvious calls, fix them, that's it. And by the way, one other rule that should be fixed.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's too late. I think, you know, I think a reasonable time is the weekend after New Year's. And this weekend was on a New Year's, you know, was on a weekend.


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[Assistant] I have a friend that leave, that, well, I used to, I haven't seen this friend in years, but a person I used to work with in Utica many moons ago, she, she would keep it up till like, April.


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[Assistant] Miles is the best and Trey Hendrickson is the most underrated pass rusher in the league. I think.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, no, he's not as good as those guys, but I'm just sayin', he's, he's a top-


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[Assistant] Six or seven pass rusher and he doesn't ever get talked in that group.


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[Assistant] It don't matter. He's not in the same class as Myles Garrett. Myles Garrett to me is in a class by himself. I think Myles Garrett is a good deal better than DJ Watt. Is that unfair?


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[Assistant] The officiating and things they need to fix. In this Bengals Chiefs game, it was just a ridiculous grounding call, intentional grounding on Jake Browning. It was a horrible call. And like things like that just shouldn't happen. What did they say about that after the game?


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[Assistant] Last thing, Ben, real quick, I'm just curious, Joe Mixon's gone, right? I mean, Chase Brown, they should be using, I actually think they've done a bad job not using him enough, because he looks sensational.


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[Assistant] I watched season one of Dr. Death on Peacock during this break and that show was wild.


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[Assistant] Uh, Miles Straw resolution is to become, he, right now he's the second worst player in baseball. Only his teammate Austin Hedges is worse. And he's hoping to move up to the third worst spot.


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[Assistant] He's gotta take it a notch up, become the third worst player, the third worst hitter in baseball. Uh, and not be quite as inept. Resolution is to hit two home runs this year, two.


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[Assistant] You know, that's just, uh, for Quan, it's to, uh, for Quan and Brennan, it's a little more consistency. I think only Quan is a starter, but I think Brennan's look for, looking for some consistency and same for Quan. So there you go. I have nothing exciting for you. Sorry. I didn't love my answers, but I wasn't in baseball mode.


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[Assistant] What talent does he have? Half the teams hurt?


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[Assistant] You know what? I'll have to tell you. So I love the Joe Flacco story. I am completely on the record having said that. However,


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[Assistant] Just watching Baker with his teammates, watching Baker with his coaches, watching Baker on that sideline, seeing the way that people respond to him, knowing how he was.


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[Assistant] Written off as completely dead. Three teams last year. You just, the whole mess of all of it. What he has overcome.


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[Assistant] He's also been that player that elevates guys around him. I just, he's a great story too. He's a great, great, great story and I think for a whole body of work for a whole season and


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[Assistant] Joe, as much as I love Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco stepped into a team.


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[Assistant] That was a team that already had this established close-knit nature, this culture, this defense, this run game, this offensive line. That was all there. Baker had to help build a lot of that. And I don't mean personnel, but just build a new culture in the post Tom Brady era. And he had to earn it.


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[Assistant] This is in many ways the best time of year because you've either got a team that is headed to the playoffs or you've got a team that is potentially going to start anew like the Chargers who I have this weekend. You have suspense, whatever, and it feels like I'm just getting wrapped up right now in these sort of like


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[Assistant] I mean that's, that's why there's so much drama and everything here. I don't think, I also am on the record saying I don't think that we've really gotten to see who Kenny Pickett can be and that his true potential has not been uncovered because it's been such a disastrous offensive situation for the year.


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[Assistant] Mason Rudolph was sure that this was the end of his NFL career. He had already started the whole job search in Miami, what he was going to do, what field he would be in, was talking about turning the page and moving up.


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[Assistant] None of that. There is no pressure on him. He was halfway out the door. And it's wonderful that he's playing this way.


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[Assistant] But the way that this works is each week you have some cumulative reps, in which case you can do a little bit more.


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[Assistant] And then Jim and John seeing each other in the EFC. Did you see, really quickly, I know I need to go and Bernie's waiting in the wings, but did you see the video of Jim and John Harbaugh's mom and dad on the sideline?


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[Assistant] You gotta learn to just walk through the flowers and smell the aroma and do that victory lap. Look around like, look at us. 11 wins. This is beautiful. I'm just watching the game today.


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[Assistant] You know, I think Jeff Driscoll, when they got him, I think it's even deeper than that. I think...


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[Assistant] They're trying to, they're trying to gather a lot of data. I know they're analytical, but, you know, take a look at it. You got, uh, you got PJ Walker. You got some data on him. You got DTR. Little bit of data on him. Now you're bringing Jeff Driscoll and you already know what Joe Flack has been doing. Now the situation is like, okay,


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[Assistant] Not only are they looking at probably this year, I think they're already starting to look at contingency plans next year. There's a, if you were to tell me who's going to be the starting quarterback or the backup quarterback next year, because Deshaun Watson will be starting this season, there could be three, four different answers.


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[Assistant] You know, they'll be battling it out, especially if they want to bring Flacco back. I like your argument. I've been arguing for Pierre Strong for a minute. I think he has more juice with giving the carries. I think you'll see what he can do. He's more of a downhill running back. But for me,


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[Assistant] I'ma just spice it up a little bit and go with Cedric Tillman. Uhm, if you, if you ask me what's the Browns biggest need going into next year, I would say receivers.


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[Assistant] I see why they gave up Donovan Peoples Jones. Bernie talked about it. And he said, I can see why the Browns like him big body guy.


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[Assistant] But I need to see him finish these routes. He's been pushed out of bounds a little bit. I think he's been caught asking for flags a little bit too much. And two or three times, it looks like he did not do what he was supposed to do on the route. So for me, you get an opportunity to be the number one receiver out here. I want to see what Cedric Tillman has to offer. All of those are right answers.


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[Assistant] Looking for a Saturday's McNuggets, I, I agree with that to a certain extent.


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[Assistant] Only if you have the coaching staff to back it up. And I think Jim Schwartz is a very big reason why some of these guys that we see are like, how are they doing it? What are they doing? Well, they're playing very, very well right now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, well we're going to find out. I think they'll play very well. Like, if you go back to the preseason, they didn't play anybody. They didn't play Miles Garrett. They didn't play, you know, a lot of guys. The most, the biggest name we saw play was like Zedaria Smith. He played like one or, you know, one or two series.


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[Assistant] One thing that we saw was, we started saying early, if they can't move the ball on these dudes, what's it gonna look like when they got all the pieces there? And we started seeing that the first game. I think Jim Schwartz.


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[Assistant] It is a very pivotal piece. And the reason I say this is my experience is this. Jim Schwartz holds you accountable for certain things that a lot of coaches wouldn't.


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[Assistant] I love the fact that he talks about his defense in the public.


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[Assistant] You have to be accountable. And he does it and he gives you little nuggets at first. He warns you in practice.


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[Assistant] And that's the part I think people miss the most. And if you don't have Jim Schwartz, you don't have that mentality. Look at the way that the mentality from J.L.K. to Newsome to Ward to Emerson, some of those other guys. Look how good Taki Taki has looked.


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[Assistant] He's molding these Jews because he simplifies the game plan, he has them play fast, and it's just not what he's saying, it's what he does in certain rounds of distance. So I'm going to see this week. That's why I believe every football game is important. There's only 18 of them.


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[Assistant] That's what makes you feel great. You can learn something from every single week that people go out there and play.


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[Assistant] Could they be a top half defense? I think they could possibly be a 15, 14. Don't get it twisted. The reason the Browns are good is because they got two things every defense coordinator wants.


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[Assistant] Rush guys. You got the best rush guy who's gonna take up three, four blocks and you can skim around that.


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[Assistant] Two, they actually have somebody on the other side that you can't just single up all the time who can get home. Three, they got defensive tackles and waves of them that they rotate in and get money off and it doesn't matter, they're gonna wave them in. And the most, I think almost the most important thing is,


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[Assistant] It works hand-in-hand with the personnel. If you didn't have that personnel, you take Miles Garret away, did his award. Oh, it's different. Don't act like you could go out there and do that. Like, these guys are special. He got special talent.


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[Assistant] But, I mean, this is, this is poll data, man. How many times we gotta, you guys gotta learn out there, poll data is not a true guide of how effective or popular somebody is, right? We'd be having polling data and be like, his approval rating is an all-time low. And then they get elected. You'd be like, what happened? Well, look.


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[Assistant] These guys are, how, how hard are they thinking about this? Yea, I don't know. It's just not going in there like, guys, let's get together and figure out what we're going to give Jim Schwartz. All they care about is winning. And, you know, like you said, that data could be a little bit, a little bit skewed, um, you know.


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[Assistant] Man, that sucks, man. That's terrible. We were so bad, Tim. Our coaches would come in and tell us, guys, we need to pray and get ready.


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[Assistant] There's been a very, uh, you know, very few seasons where the Browns, you could say Super Bowl without people laughing or saying lack thereof. They haven't been there.


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[Assistant] How locked in are you, uhm, you know, just as a former player playing for the Browns in terms of rooting for the team, watching the team?


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[Assistant] And do you go through like a life cycle, right? Like, is there a part where when you stop playing for the team, you're like, man, I don't, I kind of don't like them. These are my exes. Then you go through another cycle where it's like, oh, okay, I can finally watch them on TV a little bit. And then, you know, you come full circle and you find yourself rooting for them with like, you know, maybe a brown shirt or hat in your house. Where are you in that cycle?


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[Assistant] I'm trying to figure out why, why other people are astonished by this. I don't know why.


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[Assistant] When you look at Joe Flacco, I don't think we put enough respect on his game. Gee, he's mostly been-


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[Assistant] He's seen every defense possible. He's played in big time games. He has a wealth of knowledge. He is not washed up. He's fresh. Why would you not believe that a guy with those skills?


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[Assistant] Stunning. There's a lot of teams that have this velocity for you.


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[Assistant] You know what, we're gonna give up some yards here or there, you know, and we're just gonna bend but don't break, hold onto some field goals, and it's the most infuriating thing to be a defensive player, and they call a defense that you know is going to give up four yards, but they're playing for down the line.


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[Assistant] It's the Browns, you know what they do? The reason they're that good is cause they're more aggressive than everybody. They are aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, and then when you think they're gonna let up, they're more aggressive.


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[Assistant] So, you know, that's the thing that I hold on to is I like a coordinator that's not going to watch somebody walk the ball down the field or play cover three. And I remember times watching the Browns give up five to seven yards a pop just


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[Assistant] Wait, didn't rerun wear the kangle, the leather kangle? Yeaah, yeaah, but rerun ain't never looked like this.


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[Assistant] Listen, what you mean? Shout out Teddy Riley. New Jack Swing. I'm in all the movies in the 80s. King of New York.


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[Assistant] From yesterday, you can go back, you can watch that. It was a emphatic win for the Browns and ass kicking, if I do say so myself. And uh, bull.


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[Assistant] Real quick, your initial thoughts on the Browns 36-22 win over the Houston Texans.


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[Assistant] You go back and it's not even the age with Joe Flacco. It's the fact that he hasn't been good in six years. And I, I can make the case that this is the best three game stretch outside of his 2011 playoff run of his entire career.


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[Assistant] And he's found the fountain of youth and he hasn't just sit from it. He's fully polar plunged and baptized himself in the fountain of youth to refine and regain whatever moxie, mojo, arm strength, confidence. Pick the adjective you want.


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[Assistant] To be able to come into a new offense off the couch in two weeks and perform like he is, Jason, you said it. I'm in total agreement. I'm out of words to describe what I've seen. So bull, maybe you can try to put into context exactly how well and how good Joe Flacco has played since becoming the starter for the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] And, and the one thing with, with Flacco, and we're going to talk defense, special teams, the run game and Cooper all coming up. I promise you we're going to get to that. But the one thing with Flacco that stands out to me.


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[Assistant] Like last year, I went back and watched all the games he played with the Jets. If there was a defender within two yards of him, he was pulling the Peyton Manning or the Tom Brady just falling down, avoiding any chance of a hit. And now he's making plays where he's actually


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[Assistant] Using his feet to extend plays in ways that I just didn't think was possible. And behind this makeshift offensive line for the Browns.


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[Assistant] That's been a big factor in them being able to sustain drives, especially yesterday without a kicker or a punter where they were going for it on fourth downs. That fourth down completion to Amari Cooper may have been the play of the year for the Browns, not just to throw the escape, the catch by Amari was unbelievable, but it's not just Amari. He has some sort of innate connection.


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[Assistant] With Cooper and Njoku. And the touchdown pass to Njoku may have been his best throw as a Cleveland Brown. It was in perfect placement. They showed the back angle on one of the post game shows afterwards from the end zone.


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[Assistant] He wasn't open. He threw Njoku open, and Njoku made a great catch, and that was just a magical play. But between the connection he has with the Mario Cooper, the connection he has with David and Njoku, and Elijah Moore got those 12 targets against the Rams, I don't think he's gotten 12 targets since then.


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[Assistant] He just goes to what he knows and trusts. And I think that's the simplification of what Stefanski is asking him to do. You may not know everybody yet.


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[Assistant] But you know these two guys and we're gonna force feed you to death until you prove you can stop it and so far.


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[Assistant] At least in the last three weeks, defenses haven't been able to stop it.


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[Assistant] Well, I said, I said to G on the post game show yesterday, you know, obviously you hope they're back with a bigger loss, the punter or kicker. And G said the kicker is not even close. And I said, well, I agree with you. But on the other hand, I think Stefanski likes the flexibility of having four plays to get 10 yards every time if he's in scoring position.


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[Assistant] He's a mad scientist and you called him an astronaut Jason on the show Friday. And when you sent me that without an explanation, I was like.


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[Assistant] I would call him a mad scientist, and he's just playing with different chemicals and seeing what kind of reactions he's getting in different test tubes and, ooh, that one was sparkly and shiny, I need another sparkly shiny one, let me mix it again. But whatever he's doing, whatever the connection, like, we're gonna find out in 10 years.


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[Assistant] Like somehow they must have a connection that goes way back, and somehow Stafanski and Joe Flacco must have vacationed together in Cabo San Lucas in 2014 and talked football at a random resort over some


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[Assistant] My ties at the bar, like, there's just, I just refuse to believe that he's played so well so quickly in a system that he's essentially a foreigner to.


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[Assistant] That I, there has to be a backstory that those two are laughing. Can I leave it look, they look the same. Like they go to the same barber and rocky where we already know that like.


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[Assistant] There has to be more to this story than we're getting, but it has been so fun. And that's the word I used yesterday.


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[Assistant] It's fun to watch the Browns right now. Like offense is clicking, the defense is playing well. And you could see Kevin Stefanski on the sideline. Joe Flacco has this big ass cheesy smile on his face. Like he just got a new Porsche for Christmas. Like it just, they're having fun and that's infectious to the viewers watching.


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[Assistant] It's crazy. And speaking of elite defenses, Bull, let's talk a little bit about the Brown's defensive performance.


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[Assistant] I would be a hypocrite bowl, as a staunch Eli Manning to the Hall of Fame supporter, like the driver of that bus, I'd be a hypocrite to go against Joe Flacco, even though I don't think, based on their non-playoff body of work, I don't think either is a Hall of Famer, but the success they've had in the postseason.


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[Assistant] If you come through at that position on the biggest stage when the lights are the brightest, especially if he does it coming off…


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[Assistant] We don't want to use coming off the couch. How about coming out of bed? Coming out of this bed in South Jersey to lead the Browns to a Super Bowl franchise that hasn't won that in 50 years.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm going like the championships pre, but you're right. Yeah, those championships.


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[Assistant] Two, two weeks in a row. Zero legitimate drives against the Browns defenses ending in a touchdown. The 14 points Chicago scored was off a pick six and an interception that led the, uh, the Bears to the one yard line. They needed one yard to score today or yesterday, excuse me, on Sunday.


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[Assistant] The only real touchdown that Texan scored before garbage time came on a kick return touchdown. Back to back. Essentially.


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[Assistant] Shutout for this Brown's defense, which seems to be clicking. Do you guys want to start?


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[Assistant] Bull, do you want to start with the secondary defenders, the backups coming in and giving up 14 points in 4 minutes, or do you want to start with the starters playing another dominant performance?


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[Assistant] Couple things I want to point out. Abel, you mentioned Zedarius Smith. By far his best game is the Cleveland Brown. He had the two sacks. He had a third one that got called back with an MJ Emerson penalty. But overall, Zedarius Smith.


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[Assistant] Another, not another, but a truly dominant performance opposite of Miles Garrett, who was helped without a pressure today. And this now makes four games in a row without a legit registered sack. He did have the sack against Jacksonville, but it was a two point conversion. Uh, he's still stuck at 13, but he was.


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[Assistant] I feel like this was one of the games where the stat sheet doesn't show Miles, but I did feel his presence and he was pretty, it was pretty evident that Houston was shifting their offensive line to his side.