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[Assistant] So this is what AI generally also nowadays do space. So this uncertainty aspect.


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[Assistant] And, uh, because decision tree is, uh, closer to, uh, previous types of AI that there is. So it may be, it is good for an explanation, uh, but it may be quite


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[Assistant] Complicated with the current because they don't use, uh, as much decision trees anymore. But, uh, it definitely could work like that.


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[Assistant] Since the neural network is so complicated and the black box, it would be aiming at opening this black box. So what's happening or at least getting an idea of how it reached certain conclusion.


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[Assistant] Due to all the data and uncertainty, this came into contact place.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, it may not actually prohibit everybody because as we know, some scientists do make gene edited projects.


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[Assistant] Yes, we can't regulate those individuals to the end, but how many actually cases could have already prevented?


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[Assistant] I'm surprised that I wasn't ready for this as well. So because...


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[Assistant] It also relates to society. It's also powerful. It carries people. Yes, transportation, but still it has levels of certification. It has levels of trading. So that would help. So I think certification.


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[Assistant] Is what is actually lacking and needed in AI.


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[Assistant] Uh, since certification would also ensure that the person who views I know about


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[Assistant] Not only technical elements, how to build AI, uh, well.


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[Assistant] We could also know about ethical consequences and social impacts because now some, like they make, their technology may have an impact and they're like, Oh, I didn't know. I wasn't aware.


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[Assistant] And AI is also complicated because it has many actors. So one has made this technology, another one trained.


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[Assistant] Another one may be distributed, so who's responsible? It's like the famous question with Tesla car, it's pedestrian, who's responsible?


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[Assistant] Tesla, or maybe those with the data, maybe the driver.


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[Assistant] Maybe the driver did something, so it takes time to actually.


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[Assistant] Uh, generally it's a big question in machine ethics. So who is responsible for what?


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[Assistant] And, uh, in general, it's a question regarding the female society, because also,


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[Assistant] The responsible is not always to blame, but the one to blame is the responsible. So there is also differences in this.


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[Assistant] But, uh, yeaah, I stand for certifications, uh, that's, uh, definitely because it is, I think, very unregulated right now.


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[Assistant] Uh, and gene editing, uh, in that sense also shows this how, um,


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[Assistant] That area is regulated and how it has helped, because again, we do not know all the long-term consequences how AI will impact society, considering what we see already now.


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[Assistant] And the same for genes. You can edit a gene that you may know.


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[Assistant] And more than two and more than three. So if there is big questions, how, uh, the gene is connected to the rest of the system.


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[Assistant] Issues because it used our data, which it feeds on and then later.


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[Assistant] Plus the ideas of the developers or trainers and then it gets multiplied. So.


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[Assistant] So I thought, uh, actually to maybe make a certain AI literacy program.


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[Assistant] That would, uh, maybe even on the side of a user to start this, because this is where the most consequences happen and go to the problem. Because regulation take long time.


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[Assistant] Uh, like even this GDPR, it took like four years, I think, to actually come into effect. So it was accepted and I think it was 2016, no, maybe.


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[Assistant] And this considered to be quick. It's considered to be quite uhm, fast. So the, actually the revelation world is lagging behind. It's too slow. So again, this is where the post may come handy.


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[Assistant] But it's also like big question how this post is implemented, how it's done, what are the consequences, because it's mostly private companies that do that.


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[Assistant] So even since we live in a quite capitalist era and those companies, I think,


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[Assistant] A quite capitalistic approach, so on financial gains, uh, it's a question how we actually can convince them to make calls.


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[Assistant] And, but, uh, here is that my point about literacy was that we have digital literacy.


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[Assistant] That was also quite an issue when computers started to be available worldwide.


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[Assistant] So some governments actually have a literacy program like Estonia.


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[Assistant] So, yes, but, and then they had this literacy program.


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[Assistant] So of course it's not perfect and I see some other things that they are not aware about, but they have this basic skill for sure.


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[Assistant] They know how to use emails, they know how to inter-assist them. That's not for them. So they can make it to other people in some other countries of the same age that some struggle with this.


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[Assistant] So the point uhm, that maybe we need same for AI.


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[Assistant] Or generally how to use digital more advanced technologies. So not only I, but other algorithmic system and maybe some social media.


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[Assistant] For younger people, maybe also for older people too. So how to interact in social media, because it also relies on algorithms, so it also relates to the topic.


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[Assistant] So maybe some kind of these programs to actually explain what is going on.


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[Assistant] And maybe also try to reach the developers, promote ethics, because I recently read quite nice paper, uh, from Rai.


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[Assistant] And the paper, uh, proposed like this kind of teams, uh, transdisciplinary teams that will help to actually...


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[Assistant] Uhm, navigate in AI and regulate and actually make sure that ethical concepts are used.


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[Assistant] I think there is no, because we can even formulate concretely, like, what is ethics and...


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[Assistant] All the ethical principles. Here is the issue why we can't just put ethics into machine and machine like do ethics on its own or morality. How do we explain morality? What is it to be moral or some moral principles? So what's here? The idea is more like


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[Assistant] We can explain, for example, the anti-discrimination.


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[Assistant] Uh, concepts or how to place them. This is something, uh, we can elaborate, but the absolute idea of ethics, I think human cannot elaborate.


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[Assistant] Main, like, group of humans, all humans, I think, have come together. So many thinkers, and it's a big issue of, like, concept and philosophy.


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[Assistant] It's thousands of years like what is ethical, what is moral. So question of morality was a little longer.


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[Assistant] Description by name, because it kind of, slightly still different, so how we define it?


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[Assistant] How do we include all its aspects? Because it's both its study and the technology.


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[Assistant] It's actually a study of human mind. So this is how it started. It was like, I mean, before the Dharma conference, there was another one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, it's definitely true and that's also, this is why deregulation is necessary like in gene editing because it's not as complicated actually to do gene editing.


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[Assistant] Like, you need this certain equipment, it's true that it's not widely available, but still, it is...


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[Assistant] So here's also the question, so what, when, if it would be legal?


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[Assistant] Because again, data, you can gather it from social media.


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[Assistant] But, uh, regarding, or maybe just the internet, right? Or maybe some companies sell it.


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[Assistant] So this is the data and the AI, you can build it like if your computer made a science student.


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[Assistant] And, uh, you had some more practical classes, it's possible.


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[Assistant] So there is, uh, this also concept in, uhm,


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[Assistant] But uhm, there are different ways actually how to uhm, regulate something.


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[Assistant] It also can be more like a recommendation that if you don't do this, like,


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[Assistant] You, for example, max corporate social responsibility, right? That's so important.


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[Assistant] That like, if you do this, it's unethical conduct, uh, which also kind of has to effort because people won't choose, for example, if it's especially public something. And about also,


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[Assistant] Social media scandals, like, uh, that also be mentioned, uh, like also the case with Cambridge Analytica, very famous. So, uh, that it used to analyze profiles of so many users.


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[Assistant] So here is this social media experiment, so that they were actually allowed to do this, and later sell this information, and uhm,


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[Assistant] Yes, and even the point of manipulation, so people can get manipulated, especially vulnerable groups.


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[Assistant] Because a use of internet usually implies that you are a healthy adult.


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[Assistant] But there are many kids on the internet. There are many vulnerable people who don't have full mental capacities, for example.


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[Assistant] So it's also the world is quite diverse and different rather than, I don't know, only one perfect ideal concept of human who uses synchronization at its present. So, uh, yes, this is why it may not fully actually offer this.


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[Assistant] Uh, 100% protection, but it would definitely reduce the risks and harm if we start to actually certify.


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[Assistant] Uh, developers or trainers that there could be different categories of certification.


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[Assistant] I found it already like twice. It's not so popular, so many regulations actually are more like, uh, do good or more...


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[Assistant] We should also the, the issue that it's not only what people and developers have to work on. It's also policymakers.


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[Assistant] Because before it maybe was so easy to say, don't do this, end of the story. So don't, don't do.


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[Assistant] It's very bad. But here it's more like you have to, with this technology, explain how, why.


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[Assistant] Or in certain way, like, explain the situation that may not be allowed, but later either supplemental documents can, uh, uh, in actually


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[Assistant] How to reach this ethical level that is required or uhm,


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[Assistant] Maybe also in the regulation itself, for example, like the sustainable developments, we also have certain regulations that, uh, kind of limit the single, for example, um, um,


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[Assistant] Because it's also important for policymakers to actually explain if they want people to follow, especially with such technology that is PACE.


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[Assistant] Right, it's also quite available, it's not prohibited, so currently it also requires like


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[Assistant] Between the actually rich ethical and moral machine and the...


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[Assistant] Uh, from now. So what happens in between?


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[Assistant] Whether there will be some related disasters and when will we reach this ethical or more ethical technology.


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[Assistant] Definitely. So this is one of the points that I actually tried to explain is the idea of ethics and what it includes, why it's unethical, because it reflects


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[Assistant] Society and the issues that we have again get automated and distributed on mass scale.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so you can limit the person that can't limit AI, for example, on social media, because it has certain embedded ideas of the developers or data it has. And also recently I have quite interesting idea.


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[Assistant] That maybe it is also necessary to prosecute people. I mean, there may be different ways how to do this on the degrees.


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[Assistant] This is why again, we come back to the idea that AI actually reflects all these things. So this can come together because again, we talk about simulated intelligence. So, and this all things like.


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[Assistant] Like breach of contract is, you know, it's not AI specific, but it also is an AI. So the things like not following any ethical norms. Well, it's common. I mean, I hope not.


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[Assistant] You know, it is present, so it is also everywhere else, so we should not forget that some issues are actually human.


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[Assistant] Uh, and even some technical aspects, so they may be related to actually the information communication technologies ethics. So the communication ethics rather than AI specific things.


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[Assistant] Just comprised of many different elements that come together and do have an impact when


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[Assistant] Actually implement the ethical principles that Dean was talking about earlier.


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[Assistant] So, uh, that not all companies follow it, uh, true, but there are still companies that do.


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[Assistant] And uh, I mean, actually this limit, uh, the issue. So of course, can we ever reach 100%? Can we ever have something perfect? So, uh, I doubt it.


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[Assistant] But, uh, we can be close to perfection. We'll be close to the, uh, more healthy society. So I think, uh, it's also good.


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[Assistant] Even if it's not, uh, something like final destination that we're looking for, uh, still.


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[Assistant] The enhancements, they do bring value and AI is useful. It does many great things. It just, the drawbacks are quite significant. And this is just a short term because AI was possible to actually build quite recently. So it's not that old, uh, technology. So it was taught.


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[Assistant] Uhm, fresh in the sense of what happens in the long term.


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[Assistant] And about social experiment, experiments that we also mentioned is that some of these social networks, they actually manipulate feeds in the, without consent, as I understand, uhm, of users to do their own experiments.


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[Assistant] Like Facebook did, it used like 600,000 users, and uhm, it actually,


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[Assistant] Manipulated their feed, so for some it made more negative, like more negative posts.


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[Assistant] Some may not even mention, but we actually already quite used to our, uh, phones and we look into this and uh, it's called like hand machine, so.


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[Assistant] So they, uh, provided for some users more opportunities, uh, like more jobs, opening kind of session, while less for others. And so it happened.


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[Assistant] Joke is such a, like, important aspect in the lives of humans, so somebody was, left with less opportunities for the sake of experiment, and as a member there was no consent involved.


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[Assistant] So here has also come to me to play what these companies can do.


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[Assistant] So we do need at least on the more public level, so because public can also have the power to reinforce such things like we have with ecology. So of course it may be, uh,


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[Assistant] A bit different type of example, as uhm, it's still important to understand how different policies work in ecology and AI or woodwork, because uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, there are its own challenges, but I think, uh, yeah, so it would still be positive.


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[Assistant] Even though I knew I would soon lose him, he had such power to make me happy that I was in heaven listening to him. Did Mrs Fairfax tell you I've been to London? He asked. Oh yes sir, she did. And I expect she told you why I went there. Well you must see the carriage I've brought Jane. It will suit Mrs Rochester perfectly.


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[Assistant] That's beyond the power of magic, sir, I replied, while thinking, to someone who loves you, you are handsome enough.


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[Assistant] Mr Rochester was sometimes able to read my thoughts, but this time he just smiled warmly at me and opened the gate. Pass friend, he said, and welcome home. I could have just walked past him in silence.


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[Assistant] But something made me turn and say quickly before I could stop myself. Thank you Mr. Rochester for your great kindness. I'm glad to come back to you.


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[Assistant] I ran across the field and into the house before he had time to answer. Two weeks passed after my return with no news of the wedding. There were no preparations at Thornfield and no visits to the Ingram family who lived only a few miles away. I almost began to hope.


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[Assistant] However mean your life is, meet it and live it. Do not shun it and call it hard names. It is not so bad as you are. It looks poorest when you are richest.


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[Assistant] You may perhaps have some pleasant, thrilling, glorious hours, even in a poor house. The setting sun is reflected from the windows of the almshouse as brightly as from the rich man's abode. The snow melts before its door as early in the spring.


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[Assistant] I do not see but a quiet mind may live as contentedly there and have as cheering thoughts as in a palace.


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[Assistant] The town's poor seem to me often to live the most independent lives of any.


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[Assistant] Maybe they are simply great enough to receive without misgiving.


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[Assistant] Most think that they are above being supported by the town.


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[Assistant] But it often happens that they are not above supporting themselves by dishonest means, which should be more disreputable.


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[Assistant] Things do not change, we change.


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[Assistant] I guess the ping may have gone out of the, uh, out of the writing.


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[Assistant] And that's the best way I can express it. It just didn't have the same, the same...


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[Assistant] The charm, it had to be manufactured a little more.


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[Assistant] Benny is so easy in her talent and her work. We'd stand outside the door before we'd come in and just waiting for our cue.


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[Assistant] And we're making cutting remarks about our clothes or about what they're doing or the situation or the political situation or what's going on. And you know, making cracks and smart jokes and kind of, you know, relaxing and enjoying. She's very good at that.


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[Assistant] There weren't permanent husbands so that there's still that kind of dangling


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[Assistant] Uh, dating insecurity and anxiety. Who's he gonna be like? What's this one, what's this one like? Are you attractive enough? That, that still is pertinent, you know, for a younger group as well.


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[Assistant] The adventure of the three Gary Debs. It may have been a comedy. Or it may have been a tragedy. It cost one man his reason. It cost me a bloodletting.


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[Assistant] For in my position of partner and confident,


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[Assistant] This enables me to fix the date, which was the latter end of June 1902.


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[Assistant] Shortly after the conclusion of the South African War,


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[Assistant] Holmes had spent several days in bed, as was his habit from time to time,


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[Assistant] But he emerged that morning with a long fool's cap document in his hand.


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[Assistant] And a twinkle of amusement in his austere grey eyes.


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[Assistant] There is a chance for you to make some money, friend Watson, said he. Have you ever heard the name of Gary Deb?


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[Assistant] I admitted that I had not. Well, if you can lay your hand upon a garrideb, there's money in it. Why? Ah, that's a long story, rather a whimsical one, too.


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[Assistant] I don't think in all our explorations of human complexities we have ever come upon anything more singular.


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[Assistant] And I turned over the pages in a rather hopeless quest.


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[Assistant] But my amazement, there was this strange name in its due place.


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[Assistant] I gave a cry of triumph. Here you are, Holmes. Here it is. Holmes took the book from my hand. Gary Deb, N, he read.


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[Assistant] 136 Little Ryder Street, West. Sorry to disappoint you, my dear Watson, but this is the man himself. That is the address upon his letter. We want another to match him. Mrs. Hudson had come in with a card upon a tray. I took it up and glanced at it.


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[Assistant] Why here it is, I cried in amazement. This is a different initial. John Garry Deb, Councillor at Law, Moorville, Kansas, USA.


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[Assistant] Was a short, powerful man, with a round, fresh, clean shaven face.


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[Assistant] Characteristic of so many American men of affairs.


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[Assistant] The general effect was chubby and rather childlike, so that one received the impression of quite a young man with a broad set smile upon his face. His eyes, however, were arresting.


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[Assistant] Seldom in any human head have I seen a pair which bespoke a more intense inward life.


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[Assistant] So bright were they, so alert, so responsive to every change of thought.


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[Assistant] His accent was American, but was not accompanied by any eccentricity of speech. Mr Holmes, he asked, glancing from one to the other.


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[Assistant] Ah, yes, your pictures are not unlike you, sir, if I may say so. I believe you have had a letter from my namesake, Mr. Nathan Garri-Deb, have you not? Brace it down, said Sherlock Holmes. We shall, I fancy, have a good deal to discuss.


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[Assistant] He took up his sheets of fool's cap. You are, of course, the Mr. John Garry Deb mentioned in this document. But surely you have been in England some time.


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[Assistant] Why do you say that, Mr. Holmes? I seem to read sudden suspicion in those expressive eyes. Your whole outfit is English.


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[Assistant] Mr. Garrydeb forced to laugh. I've read of your tricks, Mr. Holmes, but I never thought I would be subject of them. Where do you read that?


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[Assistant] The shoulder cut of your coat, the toes of your boots. Could anyone doubt it?


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[Assistant] Well, well, I had no idea I was so obvious a Britisher.


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[Assistant] The business brought me over here some time ago, and so, as you say, my outfit is nearly all London.


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[Assistant] However, I guess your time is of value and we did not meet to talk about the cut of my socks. What about getting down to that paper you hold in your hand?


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[Assistant] Homes had in some way ruffled our visitor, whose chubby face had assumed a far less amiable expression. Patience. Patience, Mr. Gary Deb, said my friend in a soothing voice.


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[Assistant] Dr. Watson would tell you that these little digressions of mine sometimes prove in the end to have some bearing on the matter.


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[Assistant] But why did Mr. Nathan Garrideb not come with you?


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[Assistant] Why did he ever drag you into it at all? asked our visitor with a sudden outflame of anger. What in thunder had you to do with it? Here was a bit of professional business between two gentlemen, and one of them must needs call in a detective.


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[Assistant] I saw him this morning, and he told me this full trick he had played me, and that's why I'm here. But I feel bad about it all the same.


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[Assistant] There was no reflection upon you, Mr. Garry Debb. It was simply zeal upon his part to gain your end.


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[Assistant] An end which is, I understand, equally vital for both of you.


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[Assistant] He knew that I had means of getting information and therefore it was very natural that he should apply to me. Our visitor's angry face gradually cleared.


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[Assistant] Well, that puts it different, said he. When I went to see him this morning, and he told me he had sent to a detective, I just asked for your address and came right away. I don't want police butting into a private matter, but if you are content just to help us find the man, there can be no harm in that.


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[Assistant] Well, that is just how it stands, said Holmes. And now, sir, since you are here, we had best have a clear account from your own lips. My friend here knows nothing of the details.


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[Assistant] I would not need to explain to you who Alexander Hamilton Garry Deb was. He made his money in real estate, and afterwards in the wheat pit at Chicago.


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[Assistant] Birdies spend it, buying up as much land as would make one of your counties, lying along the Arkansas River, west of Fort Dodge. It's grazing land and lumber land and arable land and mineralized land, and just every sort of land that brings dollars to the man that owns it.


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[Assistant] He had no kith nor kin, nor if he had, I never heard of it.


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[Assistant] But he took a kind of pride in the queerness of his name. That's what brought us together.


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[Assistant] I was in the law at Topeka, and one day I had a visit from the old man and he was tickled to death to meet another man with his own name.


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[Assistant] It was his pet fad. And he was dead set to find out if there were any more Gary Debs in the world. Find me another, said he.


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[Assistant] I told him I was a busy man and could not spend my life hiking round the world in search of Garry Debs. Nonetheless, said he, that is just what you will do if things pan out as I planned them. I thought he was joking.


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[Assistant] But there was a powerful lot of meaning in the words, as I was soon to discover. For he died within a year of saying them, and he left a will behind him.


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[Assistant] It was the queerest will that has ever been filed in the state of Kansas.


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[Assistant] His property was divided into three parts, and I was to have one, on condition that I found two Garidebs who would share the remainder.


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[Assistant] But we can't lay a finger on it until we all three stand in a row.


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[Assistant] It was so big a chance that I'd just let my legal practice slide and I set forth looking for Gary Debs.


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[Assistant] There is not one in the United States. I went through it, sir, with a fine-toothed comb. Never a Gary Deb could I catch.


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[Assistant] Then I tried the old country. Sure enough, there was the name in the London telephone directory. I went after him two days ago and explained the whole matter to him.


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[Assistant] But he is a lone man, like myself, with some women relations, but no men. It says three adult men in the will. So you see, we still have a vacancy. And if you can help to fill it, we will be very ready to pay your charges.


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[Assistant] Well, Watson," said Holmes with a smile, I said it was rather whimsical, did I not? I should have thought, sir, that your obvious way was to advertise in the agony columns of the papers. I have done that, Mr. Holmes, no replies. Dear me, well, it is certainly a most curious little problem. I may take a glance at it in my leisure.


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[Assistant] By the way, it is curious that you should have come from Topeka.


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[Assistant] I used to have a correspondent. He is dead now. Old Doctor Lysander Starr, who was mayor in 1890.


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[Assistant] Good old Dr. Starr, said our visitor, his name is still honored.


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[Assistant] Well, Mr. Holmes, I suppose all we can do is to report to you and let you know how we progress. I reckon you will hear within a day or two.


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[Assistant] With this assurance, our American bowed and departed. Holmes had lit his pipe.


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[Assistant] And he sat for some time with a curious smile upon his face. Well, I asked at last.


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[Assistant] I am wondering, Watson, just wondering. At what? Holmes took his pipe from his lips. I was wondering, Watson, what on earth could be the object of this man in telling us such a rigmarole of lies?


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[Assistant] I nearly asked him so. There are times when a brutal frontal attack is the best policy. But I judged it better to let him think he had fooled us.


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[Assistant] Here is a man with an English coat frayed at the elbow.


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[Assistant] And trousers bagged at the knee with a year's wear.


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[Assistant] And yet by this document and by his own account, here's a provincial American, lately landed in London.


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[Assistant] There have been no advertisements in the agony columns. You know I miss nothing there.


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[Assistant] They are my favourite covert for putting up a bird.


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[Assistant] And I would never have overlooked such a cock pheasant as that.


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[Assistant] I never knew a Dr. Lysander Starr of Topeka. Touch him where you would, he was false.


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[Assistant] I think the fellow is really an American, but he has worn his accent smooth with years of London. What is his game then, and what motive lies behind this preposterous search for Gary Debs?


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[Assistant] It's worth our attention for granting that the man is a rascal. He is certainly a complex and ingenious one.


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[Assistant] We must now find out if our other correspondent is a fraud also. Just ring him up, Watson.


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[Assistant] Yes, he has been here. I understand that you don't know him. How long? Only two days.


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[Assistant] Will you be at home this evening? I suppose your namesake will not be there? Very good, we will come then, for I would rather have a chat without him. Dr. Watson will come with me.


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[Assistant] I understand from your note that you did not go out often.


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[Assistant] Well, we shall be round about six. You need not mention it to the American lawyer. Very good. Goodbye. It was twilight of a lovely spring evening, and even little Rider Street.


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[Assistant] One of the smaller offshoots from the Edgeware Road.


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[Assistant] Within a stone cast of old Tyburn tree of evil memory looked golden and wonderful in the slanting rays of the setting sun.


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[Assistant] The particular house to which we were directed was a large old-fashioned early Georgian edifice.


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[Assistant] With a flat brick face broken only by two deep bay windows on the ground floor. It was on this ground floor that our client lived.


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[Assistant] And indeed the low windows proved to be the front of the huge room in which he spent his waking hours. Holmes pointed as we passed


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[Assistant] To the small brass plate which bore the curious name. Up some years, Watson, he remarked, indicating its discoloured surface. It's his real name, anyhow. And that is something to note.


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[Assistant] The house had a common stair, and there were a number of names painted in the hall.


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[Assistant] Some indicating offices and some private chambers.


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[Assistant] It was not a collection of residential flats, but rather the abode of bohemian bachelors.


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[Assistant] Our client opened the door for us himself and apologized by saying that the woman in charge left at four o'clock.


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[Assistant] Mr Nathan Garri-Deb proved to be a very tall, loose-jointed, round-backed person, gaunt and bald, some sixty-odd years of age.


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[Assistant] He had a cadaverous face, with the dull dead skin of a man to whom exercise was unknown.


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[Assistant] Large round spectacles and a small projecting goat's beard combined with his stooping attitude to give him an expression of peering curiosity. The general effect, however, was amiable, though eccentric. The room was as curious as its occupant. It looked like a small museum. It was both broad and deep.


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[Assistant] With cupboards and cabinets all round, crowded with specimens, geological and anatomical.


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[Assistant] Cases of butterflies and moths flanked each side of the entrance.


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[Assistant] A large table in the centre was littered with all sorts of debris, while the tall brass tube of a powerful microscope bristled up among them.


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[Assistant] As I glanced round I was surprised at the universality of the man's interests. Here was a case of ancient coins. There was a cabinet of flint instruments.


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[Assistant] Behind his central table was a large cupboard of fossil bones.


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[Assistant] Above was a line of plaster skulls with such names as Neanderthal, Heidelberg, Cro-Magnon, printed beneath them. It was clear that he was a student of many subjects.


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[Assistant] As he stood in front of us now, he held a piece of chamois leather in his right hand, with which he was polishing a coin.


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[Assistant] Syracusan of the best period, he explained, holding it up. They degenerated greatly towards the end,


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[Assistant] At their best, I hold them supreme, though some prefer the Alexandrian school. You will find a chair here, Mr. Holmes. Pray allow me to clear these bones.


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[Assistant] And you, sir? Ah, yes, Dr. Watson, if you would have the goodness to put the Japanese vase to one side.


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[Assistant] You see round me my little interests in life. My doctor lectures me about never going out. But why should I go out, when I have so much to hold me here?


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[Assistant] I can assure you that the adequate cataloging of one of those cabinets would take me three good months. Holmes looked round him with curiosity.


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[Assistant] But do you tell me that you never go out? He said.


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[Assistant] Now and again I drive down to Sotheby's or Christie's, otherwise I very seldom leave my Brom.


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[Assistant] I'm not too strong, and my researches are very absorbing.


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[Assistant] But you can imagine, Mr. Holmes, what a terrific shock.


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[Assistant] Pleasant but terrific it was for me when I heard of this unparalleled good fortune.


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[Assistant] It only needs one more Gary Deb to complete the matter, and surely we can find one.


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[Assistant] I had a brother, but he is dead and female relatives are disqualified.


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[Assistant] But there must surely be others in the world. I had heard that you handled strange cases and that was why I sent to you.


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[Assistant] Of course, this American gentleman is quite right, and I should have taken his advice first, but I acted for the best.


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[Assistant] I think you acted very wisely indeed, said Holmes. But are you really anxious to acquire an estate in America? Certainly not, sir. Nothing would induce me to leave my collection.


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[Assistant] But this gentleman has assured me that he will buy me out as soon as we have established our claim.


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[Assistant] Five million dollars was the sum named. There are a dozen specimens in the market at the present moment which fill gaps in my collection and which I am unable to purchase for want of a few hundred pounds.


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[Assistant] Just think what I could do with five million dollars. Why, I have the nucleus of a national collection. I shall be the Hans Sloan of my age." His eyes gleamed behind his great spectacles.


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[Assistant] It was very clear that no pains would be spared by Mr. Nathan Garrydeb in finding a namesake.


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[Assistant] I merely called to make your acquaintance, and there is no reason why I should interrupt your studies, said Holmes. I prefer to establish personal touch with those with whom I do business. There are few questions I need to ask, for I have your very clear narrative in my pocket.


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[Assistant] And I filled up the blanks when this American gentleman called.


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[Assistant] I understand that up to this week you were unaware of his existence. That is so. He called last Tuesday. Did he tell you of our interview today? Yes, he came straight back to me. He had been very angry. Why should he be angry?


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[Assistant] He seemed to think it was some reflection on his honour, but he was quite cheerful again when he returned. Did he suggest any course of action?


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[Assistant] No sir, he did not. Has he had or asked for any money from you?


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[Assistant] No sir, never. You see no possible object he has in view? None, except what he states. Did you tell him of our telephone appointment? Yes sir, I did. Holmes was lost in thought. I could see that he was puzzled.


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[Assistant] Have you any articles of great value in your collection?


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[Assistant] No sir, I am not a rich man. It is a good collection, but not a very valuable one. You have no fear of burglars? Not the least. How long have you been in these rooms? Nearly five years.


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[Assistant] Holmes' cross-examination was interrupted by an imperative knocking at the door. No sooner had our client unlatched it.


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[Assistant] Then the American lawyer burst excitedly into the room. Here you are, he cried, waving a paper over his head.


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[Assistant] I thought I should be in time to get you. Mr. Nathan Garredeb, my congratulations. You are a rich man, sir. Our business is happily finished and all is well. As to you, Mr. Holmes, we can only say we are sorry if we have given you any useless trouble.


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[Assistant] He handed over the paper to our client who stood staring at a marked advertisement.


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[Assistant] Holmes and I leaned forward and read it over his shoulder. This is how it ran. Howard Gary Deb.


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[Assistant] I had opened up inquiries in Birmingham, said the American.


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[Assistant] And my agent there has sent me this advertisement from a local paper. We must hustle and put the thing through.


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[Assistant] I have written to this man and told him that you will see him in his office tomorrow afternoon at four o'clock. You want me to see him?


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[Assistant] What do you say, Mr. Holmes? Don't you think it would be wiser?


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[Assistant] Here am I, a wandering American with a wonderful tale. Why should he believe what I tell him? But you are a Britisher with solid references, and he is bound to take notice of what you say.


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[Assistant] I would go with you if you wished, but I have a very busy day tomorrow, and I could always follow you if you're in any trouble.


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[Assistant] Well, I have not made such a journey for years. It is nothing, Mr. Gary Deb. I have figured out our connections. You leave at twelve and should be there soon after too. Then you can be back the same night.


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[Assistant] All you have to do is to see this man, explain the matter, and get an affidavit of his existence.


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[Assistant] By the Lord, he added hotly, considering I've come all the way from the center of America, it is surely little enough if you go a hundred miles in order to put this matter through. Quite so, said Holmes.


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[Assistant] I think what this gentleman says is very true.


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[Assistant] Considering the glory of hope that you have brought into my life.


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[Assistant] I'll see to that, said the American. Well, he added, looking at his watch, I'll have to get on. I'll call to-morrow, Mr. Nathan, and see you after Birmingham. Coming my way, Mr. Holmes?


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[Assistant] Well then, goodbye, and we may have good news for you tomorrow night.


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[Assistant] I noticed that my friend's face cleared when the American left the room, and the look of thoughtful perplexity had vanished.


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[Assistant] And his eyes gleamed from behind his big glasses.


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[Assistant] I had always heard, sir, that you were a very intelligent man, said he.


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[Assistant] I could take you round now, if you have the time.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, I have not, but these specimens are so well labeled and classified that they hardly need your personal explanation. If I should be able to look in tomorrow,


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[Assistant] I presume that there would be no objection to my glancing over them? Not at all, you are most welcome. The place will of course be shut up, but Mrs Saunders is in the basement up to four o'clock, and would let you in with her key.


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[Assistant] If you would say a word to Mrs Saunders, it would be quite in order. By the way, who is your house agent?


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[Assistant] Our client was amazed at the sudden question. Holloway and Steel in the Edgeware Road. But why?


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[Assistant] I am a bit of an archaeologist myself when it comes to houses," said Holmes, laughing. I was wondering if this was Queen Anne or Georgian.


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[Assistant] Georgian, beyond doubt, really. I should have thought a little earlier. However, it is easily ascertained. Well, good-bye, Mr. Garry Deb, and may you have every success in your Birmingham journey.


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[Assistant] The house agents was close by, but we found that it was closed for the day, so we made our way back to Baker Street.


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[Assistant] It was not till after dinner that Holmes reverted to the subject.


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[Assistant] Our little problem draws to a close, said he.


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[Assistant] No doubt you have outlined the solution in your own mind. I can make neither head nor tail of it. The head is surely clear enough, and the tail we should see tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Did you notice nothing curious about that advertisement? I saw that the word plough was misspelt.


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[Assistant] Oh, you did notice that, did you? Come, Watson. You improve all the time.


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[Assistant] Yes, it was bad English, but good American.


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[Assistant] The printer had set it up as received, then the buckboards, that is American also, and artesian wells are commoner with them than with us. It was a typical American advertisement, but purporting to be from an English firm. What do you make of that?


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[Assistant] I can only suppose that this American lawyer put it in himself. What his object was I fail to understand.


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[Assistant] Well, there are alternative explanations.


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[Assistant] Anyhow, he wanted to get this good old fossil up to Birmingham. That is very clear.


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[Assistant] I might have told him that he was clearly going on a wild goose chase, but...


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[Assistant] On second thoughts, it seemed better to clear the stage by letting him go. Tomorrow, Watson. Well, tomorrow will speak for itself. Holmes was up and out early.


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[Assistant] When he returned at lunchtime, I noticed that his face was very grave.


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[Assistant] This is a more serious matter than I had expected, Watson, said he. It is fair to tell you so, though I know it will only be an additional reason to you for running your head into danger. I should know my Watson by now, but there is danger, and you should know it.


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[Assistant] Well, it is not the first we have shared homes. I hope it may not be the last. What is the particular danger this time?


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[Assistant] We are up against a very hard case. I have identified Mr. John Garry Deb, counselor at law. He is none other than Killer Evans, of sinister and murderous reputation.


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[Assistant] I fear I am none the wiser. Ah, it is not part of your profession to carry about a portable Newgate calendar in your memory.


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[Assistant] I have been down to see friend Lestrade at the yard.


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[Assistant] There may be an occasional want of imaginative intuition down there, but they lead the world for thoroughness and method.


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[Assistant] I had an idea that we might get on the track of our American friend in their records. Sure enough, I found his chubby face smiling up at me from the rogue's portrait gallery. James Winter


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[Assistant] Alias Moorcroft, alias Killer Evans, was the inscription below.


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[Assistant] Holmes drew an envelope from his pocket. I scribbled down a few points from his dossier.


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[Assistant] Aged forty-four, native of Chicago, known to have shot three men in the States, escaped from penitentiary through political influence, came to London in 1893.


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[Assistant] Shot a man over cards in a nightclub in the Waterloo Road in January 1895. Man died.


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[Assistant] But he was shown to have been the aggressor in the row. Deadman was identified as Roger Prescott, famous as Forger and Coiner in Chicago. Killer Evans released in 1901.


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[Assistant] has been under police supervision since, but so far as known, has led an honest life.


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[Assistant] Very dangerous man usually carries arms and is prepared to use them. That is our Bird Watson. A sporting bird, as you must admit. But what is his game? Well, it begins to define itself.


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[Assistant] I have been to the house agents. Our client, as he told us, has been there five years. It was unlet for a year before then.


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[Assistant] The previous tenant was a gentleman at large named Waldron.


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[Assistant] Waldron's appearance was well remembered at the office. He had suddenly vanished, and nothing more been heard of him.


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[Assistant] He was a tall, bearded man with very dark features.


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[Assistant] Now, Prescott, the man whom killer Evans had shot, was, according to Scotland Yard, a tall, dark man with a beard. As a working hypothesis, I think we may take it that Prescott, the American criminal, used to live in the very room which our innocent friend now devotes to his museum. So at last, we get a link. You see? And the link? Well, we must go now and look for that.


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[Assistant] He took a revolver from the drawer and handed it to me. I have my old favorite with me.


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[Assistant] If our Wild West friend tries to live up to his nickname, we must be ready for him.


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[Assistant] I'll give you an hour for a siesta, Watson, and then I think it will be time for our Rider Street adventure.


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[Assistant] It was just four o'clock when we reached the curious apartment of Nathan Garri-Deb.


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[Assistant] Mrs Saunders, the caretaker, was about to leave, but she had no hesitation in admitting us, for the door shut with a spring lock, and Holmes promised to see that all was safe before we left.


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[Assistant] Shortly afterwards the outer door closed, a bonnet passed the bow window, and we knew that we were alone in the lower floor of the house. Holmes made a rapid examination of the premises.


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[Assistant] There was one cupboard in a dark corner which stood out a little from the wall.


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[Assistant] It was behind this that we eventually crouched, while Holmes in a whisper outlined his intentions.


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[Assistant] That is very clear, and as the collector never went out, it took some planning to do it. The whole of this Gary Deb invention was apparently for no other end.


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[Assistant] I must say Watson, that there is a certain devilish ingenuity about it.


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[Assistant] Even if the queer name of the tenant did give him an opening which he could hardly have expected, he wove his plot with remarkable cunning. But what did he want? Well, that is what we are here to find out. It has nothing whatever to do with our client.


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[Assistant] So far as I can read the situation, it is something connected with the man he murdered. The man who may have been his confederate in crime. There is some guilty secret in the room. That is how I read it.


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[Assistant] At first, I thought our friend might have something in his collection more valuable than he knew. Something worth the attention of a big criminal.


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[Assistant] But the fact that Roger Prescott of Evil Memory inhabited these rooms points to some deeper reason.


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[Assistant] Well Watson, we can but possess our souls in patience and see what the hour may bring. That hour was not long in striking. We crouched closer in the shadow as we heard the outer door open and shut.


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[Assistant] Then came the sharp metallic snap of a key, and the American was in the room. He closed the door softly behind him, took a sharp glance around him to see that all was safe, threw off his overcoat


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[Assistant] And walked up to the central table with the brisk manner of one who knows exactly what he has to do and how to do it.


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[Assistant] he pushed the table to one side tore up the square of carpet on which it rested


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[Assistant] rolled it completely back and then, drawing a gemmy from his inside pocket, he knelt down and worked vigorously upon the floor.


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[Assistant] Presently we heard the sound of sliding boards, and an instant later a square had opened in the planks.


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[Assistant] Killer Evans struck a match, lit a stump of candle, and vanished from our view. Clearly our moment had come.


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[Assistant] Holmes touched my wrist as a signal, and together we stole across to the open trap door. Gently as we moved, however,


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[Assistant] The old floor must have creaked under our feet.


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[Assistant] For the head of our American, peering anxiously round, emerged suddenly from the open space.


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[Assistant] His face turned upon us with a glare of baffled rage.


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[Assistant] Which gradually softened into a rather shame-faced grin.


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[Assistant] As he realised that two pistols were pointed at his head.


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[Assistant] Well, well, said he coolly as he scrambled to the surface.


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[Assistant] I guess you have been one too many for me, Mr. Holmes. Saw through my game, I suppose, and played me for a sucker from the first. Well, sir, I hand it to you. You have me beat. And in an instant he had whisked out a revolver from his breast and had fired two shots.


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[Assistant] I felt a sudden hot sear as if a red hot iron had been pressed to my thigh. There was a crash as Holmes' pistol came down on the man's head.


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[Assistant] I had a vision of him sprawling upon the floor, with blood running down his face, while Holmes rummaged him for weapons. Then my friend's wiry arms were round me, and he was leading me to a chair. You're not hurt, Watson. For God's sake, say that you are not hurt. It was worth a wound. It was worth many wounds.


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[Assistant] To know the depth of loyalty and love which lay behind that cold mask.


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[Assistant] The clear, hard eyes were dimmed for a moment, and the firm lips were shaking. For the one and only time, I caught a glimpse of a great heart as well as of a great brain.


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[Assistant] All my years of humble but single-minded service.


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[Assistant] Culminated in that moment of revelation. It's nothing, Holmes. It's a mere scratch.


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[Assistant] He had ripped up my trousers with his pocket knife. You are right, he cried, with an immense sigh of relief. It is quite superficial.


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[Assistant] His face set like flint, as he glared at our prisoner, who was sitting up with a dazed face.


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[Assistant] By the Lord, it is as well for you. If you had killed Watson, you would not have got out of this room alive. Now sir, what have you to say for yourself? He had nothing to say for himself. He only sat and scowled.


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[Assistant] I leaned on Holmes's arm, and together we looked down into the small cellar which had been disclosed by the secret flap.


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[Assistant] It was still illuminated by the candle which Evans had taken down with him.


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[Assistant] Our eyes fell upon a mass of rusted machinery, great rolls of paper, a litter of bottles, and neatly arranged upon a small table, a number of neat little bundles.


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[Assistant] Printing press. A counterfeiter's outfit, said Holmes. Yes, sir, said our prisoner, staggering slowly to his feet, and then sinking into the chair. The greatest counterfeiter London ever saw. That's Prescott's machine.


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[Assistant] And those bundles on the table are two thousand of Prescott's notes worth a hundred each, and fit to pass anywhere. Help yourselves, gentlemen. Call it a deal, and let me beat it. Holmes laughed.


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[Assistant] We don't do things like that, Mr Evans. There is no bolt hole for you in this country. You shot this man Prescott, did you not?


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[Assistant] Yes sir, I've got five years for it, though it was he who pulled on me. Five years. When I should have had a metal the size of a soup plate.


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[Assistant] No living man could tell a Prescott from a Bank of England.


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[Assistant] And if I hadn't put him out, he would have flooded London with them.


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[Assistant] And can you wonder that when I found this crazy boob of a bug hunter with the queer name squatting right on the top of it, never quitting his room, I had to do the best I could to shift him?


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[Assistant] Maybe I would have been wiser if I had put him away. It would have been easy enough. But I'm a soft-hearted guy that can't begin shooting unless the other man has a gun also. But say, Mr. Holmes, what have I done wrong anyhow? I've not used this plant. I've not hurt this old stiff. Where do you get me?


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[Assistant] Only attempted murder, so far as I can see, said Holmes, but that's not our job.


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[Assistant] They take that at the next stage. What we wanted at present was just your sweet self. Please give the yard a call, Watson. It won't be entirely unexpected. So those were the facts about Killer Evans.


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[Assistant] And his remarkable invention of the three Garrydebs.


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[Assistant] We heard later that our poor old friend never got over the shock of his dissipated dreams. When his castle in the air fell down, it buried him beneath the ruins.


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[Assistant] He was last heard of at a nursing home in Brixton.


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[Assistant] It was a glad day at the yard when the Prescott outfit was discovered, for, though they knew that it existed, they had never been able, after the death of the man, to find out where it was. Evans had indeed done great service.


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[Assistant] And caused several worthy CID men to sleep the sounder.


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[Assistant] For the counterfeiter stands in a class by himself as a public danger.


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[Assistant] They would willingly have subscribed to that soup plate medal of which the criminal had spoken.


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[Assistant] But an unappreciative bench took a less favourable view, and the killer returned to those shades from which she had just emerged.


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[Assistant] Please subscribe to my channel, Sherlock Holmes Stories, Magpie Audio. Thank you.


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[Assistant] This is good, Fitz. It's great. I think, I like this ad lib finish. I think it's just perfect for the journalist club. It's all from one newspaper man to another.


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[Assistant] My name's Kwabena Abo Ofe. I absolutely loved this movie. You guys killed it. But on a personal note, my father is African. He's from Ghana. He's a scientist. My mother, my sister's brilliant African American women. So basically everything that represents me,


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[Assistant] Well, I'd like you to give me the answer to a question. He looked worried and turned away from me. Curiosity is dangerous, he said. I may not be able to agree to this particular request. But what is it? How stern you look. I suppose that's how you would look when we're married. This is what I want to know.


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[Assistant] Why did you take such trouble to make me believe you wished to marry Miss Ingram?


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[Assistant] Alright. I shall have to confess, although you may be angry with me, Jane. As angry as you were last night, when you told me we were equal. Well, I pretended to love Miss Ingram, to make you madly jealous.


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[Assistant] I wanted you to be as much in love with me as I was with you.


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[Assistant] And I suppose you didn't care at all about poor Miss Ingram's feelings. She only has one feeling. Pride. Were you jealous, Jane? Never mind, Mr. Rochester. One more request. Please explain everything to Mrs. Fairfax. She looked so shocked last night.


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[Assistant] Now here, same thing, directionality of the fur will be important.


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[Assistant] Is Kevin Owens turning heel? Again. Because he always does it. He gets a friend, he says nice things to them, they last about six months, and he turns evil, he eats himself from the inside out with moral conflictions, and he's gotta provide for his family.


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[Assistant] It's the Raw Review, folks. I'm Oli Davis, I'm joined by Luke Owen, D.A.D. And boy, do we have an offer for you today!


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[Assistant] I think it's the perfect amount of, uh, sort of just general hydration of my skin and sheen.


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[Assistant] Well read. Thank you, mate. Genuinely, we've been using it for about two months now. And yeah, it's great. It is really good, isn't it? I don't have flaky


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[Assistant] Because sometimes I confuse well-groomed people who have put effort into their face with attractive people.


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[Assistant] But wasn't that his advice when we all asked him, what is like, how are you so handsome? And he said, start moisturising early. And not just like early in the day.


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[Assistant] Early in your life. Oh yeaah. So. We could all be like Chris.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Kevin Owens is the main subject of this episode. Because we got


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[Assistant] Actually, like, full credit to Roar, I thought this was really well done, and...


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[Assistant] Grunt, yea, sure, just a month ago Big E, Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens, they were all on Smackdown.


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[Assistant] Austin Theory you might as well chuck in there as well. He just didn't go to Smackdown, he went back to NXT. Yeah, so, but with that...


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[Assistant] I think they've crafted a really nice story here and I'm excited about the main event of Raw character-wise going forward. So what we got first, Seth came out for a promo, he won the ladder match last week, he's gonna get a shot at Big E's title, Big E comes out and they're going like, let's do a match tonight. And Seth's like, no.


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[Assistant] And then Kevin Owens walks out because, you know, it's WWE, you've got to interrupt people. He cuts a promo and he says


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[Assistant] Me and you, Big E. We've never done this before. Let's have a match tonight for all these fine folks, baby-facing it up to the extreme. Indeed. But then!


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[Assistant] It was so rambly, he was obviously like, he was panicking! He got caught! He got caught out! So he's like, uh, I'm so sorry Biggie, I didn't mean it! I didn't mean it! I didn't even see it! And you, you little bitch, Seth Rollins! He said bitch twice!


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[Assistant] And it was just, yeaah. And yeaah, Biggie wasn't having any of it. Gave him a big ending. Why would you with Kevin Owens, even though he's been saying he's been a babyface for well over a year now. Quite a long time actually.


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[Assistant] Last year. But he has, you know, he's got a previous. And Biggie, what I loved about this is not only has it given Owens this really


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[Assistant] Interesting tweener. Am I turning heel later?


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[Assistant] That's the suit sort of make up for it. Sometimes when he does it.


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[Assistant] I genuinely get annoyed, but then other times when he does it, I'm like


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[Assistant] That's an annoying laugh. So it's doing what it's supposed to do. I just think he does it too much. Yeah, potentially. So you've got that on one side. What I love about this is it also makes Big E a more well-rounded character.


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[Assistant] Because now Big E is like, I can't trust anybody. My New Day boys are on the other brand.


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[Assistant] Kevin Owens, who was a good guy. He's been, you know, been really nice these last two weeks. Now he's trying to cheat to win. He was part of the new day for a hot


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[Assistant] Did he turn? He turned on them. He turned on them, yeaah. Okay, so Biggie, hopefully he remembers that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, I can't remember that, but yeah, I thought this was a really well done thing. Great match as well. Owens and Big E just slapped the hell out of each other. And Owens, oh, he went into those sentons.


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[Assistant] And I read an interview with Big E from the last week where they wanted him to do the tit dance that I did last week. That you're so good at doing. That Ethan Page does because he's got the tidiest tits in wrestling. And Big E said


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[Assistant] Look, I do a lot of things, but I'm not gonna do that on TV.


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[Assistant] Uh, I was really impressed with this. I love the match.


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[Assistant] Consistently has done good main event title pictures, like all the Bobby Lashley, Drew's got repetitive, but it was good. The biggie win, Bobby and Goldberg actually, you know, did have an edge to it in the end. Well, this is what I would say is credit to


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[Assistant] It's some of the most consistently awful wrestling TV I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] Sorry, I don't think he's a bad, boring babyface, I just think he's such a good heel that his babyface doesn't hold a candle.


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[Assistant] Well, just before we get into the chats, let's talk about that. In his promo earlier, he said...


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[Assistant] You know, I leave it in the ring every week because he had a fantastic performance in the ladder match previous Monday.


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[Assistant] And he said, whether I've got three months or three years left here.


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[Assistant] And that's, you know, the rumour is, well, quite heavily reported rumour, his contract expires in January. It's the three month side of that. And Big E said, they're all talking about who the face of WWE is here. And Big E says, hey, this isn't Mount Rushmore. There's not room for multiple faces.


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[Assistant] And Mount Rushmore was the Young Bucks, Kevin Owens, Adam Cole as well, a faction in PWG.


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[Assistant] I mean usually when you're on the way out of WWE, which reportedly


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[Assistant] People backstage think is happening with Owens. You know, I think that's the right move for him as well. How is he ever gonna get any better in WWE?


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[Assistant] Is he turning heel to lose a lot?


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[Assistant] To then leave? Or is this WWE's attempt at saying hey, stay, turn heel?


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[Assistant] That was nearly a year ago. Let's get into what the comments are saying. WrestleTalk.com forward slash support will read out everyone over $5. None of your Canadian or Australian ones went US, thank you very much. That's how RuPaul says.


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[Assistant] It's not. But I have never seen it. It's like an hour twenty. It's three hours of Raw. I'm sure there's a good 90 minute programme in there.


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[Assistant] It's very difficult as a babyface, particularly the way Owens has been, to so consciously cheat. And they made a big song and dance for it. He is consciously making the decision here to cheat. He's wrestling with the idea and then he's gonna do it.


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[Assistant] To then go back and become more of a baby face. I disagree, Charles. I think the better story is he turns heel and I think that's where the story's leading.


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[Assistant] Kett. Kevin Owens should turn. He should turn left on Albuquerque to run away from WWE. Run, Owens, run.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mr. CJ Lilly, uh, right on topic now. I think Kevin should turn heel, as I've always thought he does better as a heel. When he was his best, him first, uh, called up was a heel. His apron powerbomb was a heel move. He also acted a fighter rather than doing comedy. So yes, go heel jam that jam.


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[Assistant] But the Becky Lynch Bianca Belair match had an actual finish. It had an actual finish. I think the main event had an actual very good finish.


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[Assistant] I think everything had a finish. And I loved the way Damien Priest went over T-Bar, that was a definitive finish. Finn Balor's great finish on the superplex into a cradle


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[Assistant] There are a lot of roars to go, that was a bad, lazy, creative show. I actually think this roar was pretty good. Weirdly, and I'm gonna come to this at the end. Boring.


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[Assistant] But it was good. But they did do the bare minimum required to slightly impress me. Ah, brilliant. Well put. Uh, Kane plays games. I was genuinely smiling seeing Tidus' video package. It's just nice seeing a good person being appreciated. Was my first Raw in over a year. I liked it.


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[Assistant] Nice that there was actually a fair amount of wrestling on the main wrestling show for a change.


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[Assistant] If you guys remember, that Chad Finn finish was a callback, at least to me, to the Rollins Finn series back in early 2018 when they traded wins with a roll-up from the Falcon Arrow.


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[Assistant] Well, we'll read out the rest of your ultra chats in the end of the show. Please keep getting them in. So Pete is back. Uh, I haven't seen him yet, but what a little bitch.


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[Assistant] I think the crowd did too. Because the crowd did not get into this match until the final third. They went through two commercial breaks. I think in total they went through like 20 minutes of action. And it was good from the get go. And Becky's a big star, Bianca's a big star.


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[Assistant] You heard that bit. Owens. The Owens pro, no? No. No, you heard it. No. No. No.


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[Assistant] Good this was. So okay, I went into this. So the crowd weren't into it, but I think it's also because the structure of the episode is not set up for a big opening main, like I think this would have been so much better as the main event. Hmm. Like how we got with Flair and Bellaire.


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[Assistant] Very good match. I've seen several people go well this was a bad finish. And I think they're confusing.


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[Assistant] Screwy finishes that don't give you an outcome with, no, this is, you know, Becky is a heel.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this was the right result for the characters. Unfortunately, I think, I was a fan of the finish, I was a really big fan of the match. I mean, what do you do with Bianca now?


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[Assistant] She has failed a lot. Well, I mean the answer is to continue the feud.


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[Assistant] Not with Liv Morgan. So Becky did a interview after that. She said, well, I'm not going to fight Bel Air anymore. I'm going to give somebody new a chance. And it's Liv Morgan.


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[Assistant] Belair not going for the title any time soon? Sounds like a Team Raw captain to me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we'll get on to that later. But good match, but ultimately, where is the division now?


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[Assistant] After that, still with this like weird rampage style opening to Raw.


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[Assistant] Like, there wasn't a talking segment, there wasn't like a backstage thing, it was just straight into gorilla position. Rey Mysterio's there with Dominik, he's gonna have a match with us in theory. Kevin Patrick is there interviewing them. I can already tell. Something height-wise doesn't match up here.


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[Assistant] Ray goes out, and Austin Theory, you know, tries to get a selfie with Ray exiting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but Kevin Patrick looks more like the character from Fallout.


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[Assistant] He's got blonde hair hasn't he? Put a tuft of blonde hair on Kevin Patrick's lovely rosy cheek smiling face in a half-crab?


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[Assistant] It's about perspective. We've had this conversation. So Mysterio took on Theory. Decent match, I guess. And Theory dropkicked Dom on the outside, but Rey kicks him into the 619 position. This is where Dominik gets some emotional revenge. Slaps.


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[Assistant] Uh, theory across the face. Referees back his turn to this, but presumably heard the slap. He could see Rey Mysterio. He heard the slap, turned round, Austin's there like that. DQ win for theory.


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[Assistant] Sometimes, you know, referees obviously have really good deductive pouts. No they don't. They just don't always use them. And this was one where I used it.


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[Assistant] But they've been doing this for like a year at this point.


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[Assistant] What are they called in Mean Girls? Mean Girls? Yeah, those mean girls are like, your mask's not cool. This was...


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[Assistant] Let's see if that tracks, uh, whether Vega and Carmella get a title shot next week. Although there were, you know, as we've said, a lot of the other women's roster backstage watching this match. And when I say a lot of, I mean all four of them. Yeah. And... Dana Brooks twice.


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[Assistant] So are they going to form tag team? None of them are in a tag team! Well they could just form a tag team.


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[Assistant] Ripley and Nicky did. What's to stop them? Yeah. A whole division of Franken-teams. Maybe they shouldn't release the Iconics.


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[Assistant] So yep, that's presumably what's gonna go on there. Chad Gable and Otis had a thing with Biggie backstage, which was pretty good I thought.


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[Assistant] I pr- I ca- I like the champion. I mean, you've already got- It's the champion who's the face of raw.


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[Assistant] Sometimes I think WWE actively think out loud.


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[Assistant] Well, uh, Big E declined, obviously. This turned into a match between Chad Gable and Finn Balor. I thought pretty damn good. They only got a couple of minutes, but...


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[Assistant] It was really, it was nice and technical stuff. Back and forth, Finn Balor was selling his leg, but powered through that in the end. We talked about it already. Chad Gable, superplex off the top rope, sort of was going to roll through to hit another one, but Finn Balor hooked his leg, shoulders to the mat, and a win for Finn.


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[Assistant] He was one of the few people who was already on Raw. Also, via Mahan,


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[Assistant] Uh, but the Gable Battlematch was good. Very good. Uh, Titus O'Neil had this video package and usually I can be quite cynical about these things.


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[Assistant] This guy is awesome. Literally my note here, Titus O'Neill is a nice man. They have given him a building in a school.


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[Assistant] For him to live in, I believe. So he can do more charity work. He's right there whenever they need him.


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[Assistant] Millions of dollars! Millions of dollars! I've got millions of dollars! No, but it's very nice.


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[Assistant] Street Profits then took on the dirty dogs. It's Smackdown.


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[Assistant] Top 10 joint tag team odd couple entrance musics that don't start with one and then abruptly shift into the other. That's got clicks written all over it.


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[Assistant] Uh, so Riddle and Randy were on commentary here. It was actually very funny. Riddle was just like, oh my god, did you see that? Oh, these guys, they're flippin' everywhere. It was funny.


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[Assistant] But the finish was Amos' music hits. He's so tall even the cameraman got distracted because Dolph Ziggler super kicked Montez Ford and beat him in the middle of the ring.


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter that the guy cannot wrestle at all.


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[Assistant] He's a- he is big. It is impressive. And Randy Orton is very protective. Orton and Amos, like, you know, Amos is gonna run through everyone, but Orton feels like a genuine, huh, what's gonna happen here? I'm excited. And yeah, they ju- they built that up, but not in a way where it would naturally lead onto another segment.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but Orton just came up across as a bit of a dick because he just watched his mate getting beaten up.


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[Assistant] He does a lot. He does a lot. He's not a good friend, but that is part of their relationship, so maybe it's okay. Uh, no AJ Styles again.


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[Assistant] So yea, people are missing sometimes these days. Weirdly, I felt a moss was scarier without AJ.


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[Assistant] And I thought Lynch Belair was really good. I really like KO, Big E, particularly that finish.


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[Assistant] But Priest vs T-Bar in a no DQ match.


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[Assistant] Where the story is, you know, it looks like they really are going with Damien and Priest.


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[Assistant] Because Priest is doing his normal match, which is very good, but it's his usual character. But then he gets tied up in the ropes, T-Bar gets a kendo stick, whacks him in the stomach. Have you seen the picture afterwards?


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[Assistant] That's the moment that makes Priest sort of Hulk out, I guess. And he just pretty damien out. Yea, he damien, he totally damiened. And he gets the chair, he wails on T-Bar like ten times, he choke slams him off the apron through a table outside. Heck of a bump.


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[Assistant] This guy's g- I'm more into Angry Priest. I like this version of his character way more than I did, but I'm just happy to be here, guys. I'm a partier as well.


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[Assistant] I, I actually liked it. I thought this was a cracking match.


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[Assistant] And afterwards Apollo Crews came out and challenged, challenged her.


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[Assistant] Damien, or priest. Challenge priest, better idea. I would, I would say so, yeah.


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[Assistant] Because. Correct name please. Teabag. Cruise came out and I thought, I was enjoying teabag in this.


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[Assistant] I thought he was excellent. It reminded me how good he is. And then Reggie ran away from some 24-7 title stuff. And then it was the main event. Yea. What'd you score it? I gave it a 3.


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[Assistant] Um, but like, it's one of those reviews where if you listen to my review back, you'll be like, oh man, Oli liked this episode. No, no, no, no.


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[Assistant] I was bored. I was bored for two of the three hours and the one hour I was into it, I was like, that's pretty good.


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[Assistant] Uh, Patreon shoutouts time before we get on with your Ultra chats. Oh crap, we got those. Yes. Oh damn. And the podcast shoutouts thread. Yeah, I've got them. Of course, go over to patreon.com forward slash WrestleTalk, become a Pledgehammer of ours and you'll get


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[Assistant] Bound for Glory 2007, our retro review.


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[Assistant] And you'll also get a shout out with a wrestling nickname on this very show. So thank you Colin McLeaner than Finn Balor.


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[Assistant] Honestly, I had a call with him last week, me and Andy. This guy's incredible. He, he, he loves cooking ribs. He made, he was telling us about this burger he made where it was a burger, but a crispy cream as the burger.


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[Assistant] So he's proper like man versus food style. He's got this sort of ribs subscription service he does for his friends.


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[Assistant] And he did a rib, a rib like short run thing where people have to run half a kilometre then eat a load of ribs. Oh my god. He made me so hungry. I want to go round his for dinner. The Kessel Run DX solo.


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[Assistant] He's not Titus O'Neil level. Oh, he is Titus O'Neil levels of nice.


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[Assistant] And lastly, double L, Liam Ladder! Yeah, thank you everybody. Let's get on with, uh, remaining ultra chats. Not my notes.


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[Assistant] Mr CJ Lilly, uh, hey guys, hope you had a fun Halloween, I know I did. Did you see that Alexa Bliss was trending for two days straight Sunday and Monday because so many people dressed as her, which would be so great to see for her, and she retweeted all 100 of them because she's great. Would say.


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[Assistant] I was confused when a lot of stuff like...


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[Assistant] You know, I remember when Doodrop first debuted and Piper Niven was trending on my little Twitter page. I was like, what?


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[Assistant] Twitter's horrible. Bezo Banks, considering that I'll be at Survivor Series, I feel personally slighted that they just won't give me Bianca Banks 3, but man that was a great match. Still looking for the people who told me to let it play out.


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[Assistant] But on the positive side, yes Liv Morgan. More Liv Morgan. Oh Bezo Banks. You need to temper that Liv Morgan expectation right now. We're talking


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[Assistant] Five minutes of TV time next week? Maybe.


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[Assistant] And finally, Nate S, when Kevin Crabtrick interviews someone like Damian Priest and he isn't doing a full squat, doesn't it make the big guys seem smaller then? Isn't that defeating the purpose? And Rey and Gable are meant to be short in the first place.


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[Assistant] I genuinely can't remember his name this morning. I can't remember where the crab went. What was crab and what was man?


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[Assistant] Obviously not an exciting episode of RAW for most people. It's middle of the road I think is the problem. I was gonna say, when RAW is actually half good, people are like, I've got nothing to say about it. Or unless it's really, really good.


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[Assistant] People might say, oh my god, a surprise cash in, oh, retribution. But when it's bad, that's the most chats, definitely.


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[Assistant] Thank you very much to Geology for supporting this podcast. Please do at least click the link because every sort of


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[Assistant] Uh, stuff on mobile specifically, uhm, stepping back for a second. The main issues we tend to see in usable security


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[Assistant] Uh, the second problem that we tend to see is that often times the security decisions that developers ask users to make, users are just completely unqualified to be making those decisions.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and there's a lot of stuff that we can learn from looking at the classic hazard avoidance literature. So looking at the hazard avoidance literature, there's sort of a hierarchy of, uhm, interventions. So,


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[Assistant] You know, the best thing you can do when faced with a hazard is simply eliminate that hazard so that, you know, people don't encounter it. Sometimes, you know, we can't do that. Uhm, so the next best thing is to guard against the hazard so that people are less likely to succumb to that hazard.


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[Assistant] And then only in the worst case when none of that is, uh, available, uhm, we use warnings. And too often, uh, we see in computer security that we jump to just using warnings when there's probably a lot of other things that we can do such as,


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[Assistant] Uh, doing a better job of eliminating hazards or, uhm,


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[Assistant] Helping users make better decisions without just throwing information at them and asking them to, you know, click either one of two buttons.


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[Assistant] So, to give you an example of some of these decisions and how it has to do with mobile, uhm, one common threat is SMS charges. So, a lot of malware on mobile devices will, in the background, send, uh,


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[Assistant] Pay per text messages which could run up someone's phone bill. So maybe a user gets a phone bill for several thousand dollars all to maybe one, uh, number, uhm, and now they want to look at their phone to figure out what application might have called this.


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[Assistant] So, on Android, uhm, what you would do is open up your applications. You get this list of applications. Scroll down to settings. From there, click settings.


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[Assistant] Now you have to find the application button, you click that, and then manage applications, click there, and it lists all the applications installed. Then you go through every application, you click one application, it brings up this application settings, you have to know to scroll to the bottom to the permissions, and now it shows you all the abilities for this particular application. So this is, there's a joke about this being a 12 step process, uh,


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[Assistant] There are better ways of doing this. So uhm, what I was going to talk about is how choice architecture and how we present these different mechanisms, security and privacy mechanisms, to end users has a profound impact on, uh, how they care for their information and how they're aware of what applications might be doing with their information.


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[Assistant] So, mobile security is really interesting because it's sort of become the primary computing platform for a lot of people. Uhm, so in this country, half of people have smartphones. Well, I, I talked about, you know,


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[Assistant] Applications that a user outright installed and wanted on their phone and sees some benefit from having, but that might be doing something unexpected in the background such as, you know, leaking some of their personal data, uhm, which might make them feel uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] And so in this talk I was going to talk about some of these problems and how the architectures on these mobile systems, uhm, have a lot of problems with, uhm, making users aware of how personal information might be used, uhm, and how a lot of this stems from the specific, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and also how to eliminate the habituation problem, maybe in some cases we just shouldn't give the user the option to, you know, approve or deny these permission requests. Uhm, and then in the cases where


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[Assistant] Permission requests are probably necessary. How we can design these interactions better so that when people are getting these warning messages about how personal data might be used, they can make a much more informed decision.


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[Assistant] Some of the early work I did in this area was looking at Android. Uhm, so in Android, uh, when you install an application at inst- at


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[Assistant] The installation time, the user is presented with a list of all the abilities that that application is requesting. So the permissions. And there are over a hundred of them in...


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[Assistant] Maybe vibrating the phone, sending text messages, taking pictures, that sort of thing. And the user is then faced with the decision of, you know, continue to install, thereby granting all these abilities or, you know, discontinuing the installation.


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[Assistant] Do they understand what, you know, capabilities they're then granting the application? So we did a comprehension survey. We did this online. Uh, we used AdMob to recruit people. And so AdMob is a mobile advertising platform.


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[Assistant] Therebo- thereby guaranteeing that everyone who was participating was on an Android device, uhm, which means that, you know, ostensibly they're familiar with Android, so we wanted existing Android users.


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[Assistant] So we had about ten of these permission requests and we randomized them so that every participant got three of them at random. And we just asked them, we showed them a screenshot and we asked


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[Assistant] You know, if an application is granted this, what does that enable the application to do? So in this case, we have network access, uhm, and so the correct answers here would be loading advertisements and sending information to the application server.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so you might say, well, you know, this was online, it was unsupervised, maybe they were just randomly guessing. Well, we can, you know, calculate the expected value of random guessing, uhm, and then do a, you know, a chi-square test.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and we find that, you know, despite this being relatively low, it's still significantly higher than the expected value, which is, I think, roughly about 0.2 questions out of the three.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that said, there were only eight participants out of the 308 who managed to get all three of them correct. Uh, the majority of participants couldn't answer any of these correctly. Uhm, again, these are existing Android users. So, there is some room for improvement here.


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[Assistant] We did this online, this was completely quantitative, and so we wanted to do a follow up laboratory experiment to get the qualitative data on why comprehension was so low.


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[Assistant] We recruited 24 people, uh, from Craigslist to come in, and we had them do three different tasks. So one was, we just had them install two different applications of their choice. We gave them scenarios, uhm, and so to search through the online store to pick applications based on these scenarios, but other than that, we gave them no guidance on what applications to install.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and we observed them to see whether they would pause on that, uh, permission request screen to try to read it or, uhm, whether they would, you know, choose to discontinue installing the app based on that screen.