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[Assistant] So I look at this team in Cleveland and Jim Schwarz comes in as a defensive coordinator last year. Miles Garrett becomes defensive player of the year. They have so many guys on that side of the ball. They go and get a veteran like Jordan Hicks at that linebacker spot.


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[Assistant] To me, the Cleveland Browns could surprise a few people and potentially say, hey, we have a seat at the table and maybe we can do some things and we can get healthy and get on the right track.


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[Assistant] G. Bush operators, operations stockpile is in full effect. I'll tell you whether or not do the pieces and weapons match and does Deshaun Watson have enough of them?


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[Assistant] You know, I can get greedy about it. I can get greedy about a bull. I can say, listen, I want one more.


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[Assistant] I'm always willing to take another running back. I'm always looking to take another receiver. I think as constituted, this is enough weapons because I believe that they'll go out and get the best available receiver in the first round as well. They'll go, excuse me, I picked number 54 in the second round.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the reason I think they're going to get a receiver is because you've got Amari Cooper who is coming up on another contract and his contract is very substantial.


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[Assistant] Jerry Judy is in his last year of his deal. Uh, Elijah Moore is also in the last year of his deal as well. Cedric Tillman is a young guy. I think they go out and pick number 54, get another receiver. And then I think now you start to look at these pieces and parts and you say, okay, I got a Nick Chubb coming back.


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[Assistant] I got, uh, I got receivers, I got Amari Cooper and Jerry Judy is a guy, uh, top 15 pick in the draft. I think that, uh, he has, uh, 1100, 1200 yard potential. It's about getting it to, to the receivers and playmakers out there. But I think Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Uh, after the draft, we'll have enough playmakers to go through the season to be a contender.


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[Assistant] You know, we failed to talk about David and Joku. David and Joku, you know, under with Joe Flacco, looked like one of the top three titan at that time. So yeaah. Definitely enough weapons.


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[Assistant] Love it. Upgrade. I think him and J.O.K. will play nicely in the middle. I think he's a little bit of a better athlete to taketaki. Uhm, I really like the move. Really like it.


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[Assistant] For me, I was thinking about whether this is too high or too low, I'll give him an A. Because just, look, like you said.


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[Assistant] If he doesn't do anything, you can move on from him, but you get the talent, you get the guy that, you know, with a top 15 talent, so uhm, I gotta give it a A.


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[Assistant] I'll give this, you know, people think it's kinda high, I'll give it a B minus. Like, look, it's a one year, once again, it's a one year contract. I think what they're doing, this guy's a former first round pick out of Michigan. The guy had an injury, first year playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers, over a hundred tackles, had the torn ACL.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when you look at it, uh, he never really quite recovered there in, in, uh, with, with Pittsburgh, went to Seattle, played in limited roles, but I think they're, they're, they're taking a flyer on somebody with first round talent that has a skill set, love a skill set, they're, they're,


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[Assistant] Building guys in that linebacker room that could really run and really move. He's not going to be a starter. He's a rotational guy. For what they gave up on him, I'll take it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's an upgrade, I went with a C+, but I'll give it, I'll upgrade it to a B-, I think they've needed a kick returner for a long time, we, we can't, we had Donovan Peebles Jones, the, uh, all time fair catch leader in, uh, Brown's history back there a couple years ago. Uhm, maybe we can get something out of it, I'll give it a B+, B-, excuse me, B-.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I'll give it a B. Uhm, I think he had underwhelming stats a little bit, five and a half sacks, but I will say this. Uhm, you fill that hole with a veteran. You know what your Zideres is going to give you. You don't have to count on a rookie or somebody else from an organization. I'll give it a B. See, I agree.


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[Assistant] And I really like this. I'll give this a, I'll give this a B plus. Like, limited snaps, butt.


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[Assistant] Give you some pass rush ability. Uhm, I think, you know, he was underused with the jets. I really like this move. Uhm, especially when it comes to adding some specific depth. I think I like this. He's much better than Jordan Elliott and Jordan Elliott was the odd man out of the tackle room. I like that. Jason?


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[Assistant] A minus. I love the special teams. Love him and the kicker. Special teams, they did an awesome job last year. And, by the way, he showed that he could angle the ball and get it inside the 20 a few times.


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[Assistant] Man, yeaah, listen, the league ain't gonna give you both. Like, they already giving you the 3-point shot. The 3-point shot has revolutionized everything. Everybody wants to spread it out and get shooters, but we can't give you the 3-point shot and blow a whistle every time you go down the lane. Like, what do you want, 190 points scored?


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[Assistant] I think this does hurt the calves. I think it hurts them in a major way.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when you look at our guards, they're smallish, uh, compared to, you know, bigger, longer players. And when you look at it, I mean, those guys, uh, going to the rack and trying to finish, they have a harder time finishing in the rack, especially Darius Garland. I think this hurts the Cavs a lot. Plus, generally speaking in the playoff time,


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[Assistant] They give the whistles to the superstars and the guys that are proving the Cavs are not proving and I don't think they're going to get more whistles in the playoffs when that happens either. They let teams play more


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[Assistant] Yeah, and by the way, they're starting to call those flops that are, uh, they're a flagrant. I saw that a couple times where guys was flopping and they've been overturning a lot of calls too. So I'll be excited to see how that plays out in the playoffs because they are calling flops and stuff like that. I hate when players flop. I think they should kick


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[Assistant] Man, you know what it is, man. I, I, you listen, I like Menzardo 389 right now. I like you, you know, Wade Boggs is cool. But give me that home run ball. Give me Chase De Lauder.


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[Assistant] Listen, this dude, I think he got five home runs already, six foot four, two thirty. This dude is huge, bro. Like he's, he, he is the prototypical power hitter. And for a guy who loves power and for a team that needs power, Chase Dillarder, he's a first round draft pick.


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[Assistant] The dude has been knocking the cover off the ball, as you can see. And for me,


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[Assistant] If you're gonna have these guys down there and you're gonna draft them first overall and he's showing you what he can do power wise, I wanna see him up here quicker than later. I would like to see Man's Arter quicker than later because I think these two guys are the best prospects they got.


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[Assistant] And on top of it, they're the best hope for them putting runs on the board. But give me the lauders.


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[Assistant] When I do my parlay, Jason, it's strategic. I always look at the games and I say, this is going to happen. Like this right here is going to hit. Problem is,


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[Assistant] Fan duo realizes like, oh yea, that's not, we're not gonna pay you for that cause that's exactly what's gonna happen. So you have to throw in a couple of long shots in there. Yea, so you do a mix. Yea, so I do like, I do like twelve ones that like, that's gonna hit and then like five of them is like long shots. That could go either way. Yea.


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[Assistant] Take the five dollars, flip it to maybe three hundred dollars, okay? Then you take that three hundred dollars, this is not your money, technically. You can bet it on something that you know is another guarantee that now you flipping it and now you continuously make it get bigger and bigger. It's a slow grind. Every time I win I'm angry I didn't bet more. That's right.


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[Assistant] If you want to consider that like that, I mean Jordan Elliott was very productive last year, but I guess Q's coming off of his- He's six sacks last year, but he tackled it pretty good. Six sacks was probably, if he would have been on this team, he would have been second in sacks on the team. He would have been. So therefore, it's very good production there. He does provide you that versatility playing inside and outside. When I was with Q,


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[Assistant] In Seattle, when we were both rookies, shout out to you Q, man, we made something happen. Fifth round pick, undrafted guy, we both made the 53 man roster, so shout out to us from back then. But anyways, Q is a guy who plays inside and outside, so he gives you that versatility.


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[Assistant] Which is something that you need on the past Russian side. You know, last year I don't think he was very good against the run game, but...


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[Assistant] As far as pass rush, when you get the third down, third and long, you need that pass rush. You think about him, Zadarius, Miles, like that's something that can be productive there. I love the fact that he, uh, wears the little pants like Mike Bennett used to back in the day. It tells me that he was, uh, influenced by him.


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[Assistant] I think for what's out there right now, I think this is something that you can, that's good to get. And one thing I like about Q is he brings attitude. Like he, y'all know the story about Q when they played.


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[Assistant] So what happened was, yeaah, what happened was, I think he either got ejected out of the game or something. He was going back to the locker room and they like threw a drink in his face or something like that or said something and Q went rushing into the stands about to fight the fans.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I think it's a, it's a good signer for sure. Like I said, he brings that attitude that you need on the defensive line. And I was thinking, this all a little off topic, not really, but I was thinking that the Browns now have the perfect thing. You got a guy in Kevin Stefanski who's a coach that's very smart, very smart coach.


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[Assistant] You got a guy, Jim Schwartz, who's about toughness and attitude. And then you got Bubba Ventrone, who's about passion. I think those are three things that your team needs to have to be successful. And it's nice that they have it in every phase of the game. So, it's a nice little pick. He fits what Jim Schwartz wants to do.


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[Assistant] I say Andrews a part of the thing. It just let me know that when you look at it, like they literally care about competition and it's.


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[Assistant] It don't, they really don't, it's starting to seem like they don't care about the draft thing. Like, unless you're a first or second round, like I used to tell everybody, unless you first, second or third round pick, you're not a lock to make the roster. Four through seven and undrafted is pretty much in the same class. And the way that this is shaping up to be,


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[Assistant] And this is, has nothing to do with football related. Q is the reason.


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[Assistant] Why? And it's not a pause because I'm talking about drawers. He helped me change my underwear choice.


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[Assistant] He did. I was into the ethica- From what? I was into the ethica draws. Cause that was like the hot thing at the time. Okay. And he was like-


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[Assistant] You would want your run stopper in on first and second down. Right. Then you want your pass rush on third down so they can go all out. Sure. It definitely provides them that ability to do those things, but in the NFL it's such a, it's always changing. You know, you gotta be able to do both and hopefully now that Q is under Jim Schwartz,


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[Assistant] Because obviously he changed a lot about things on the D-line, that that helps him become a better run defender.


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[Assistant] Too many plays, right? You know? Two plays max. Especially in the interior, you probably do two plays and then rotate.


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[Assistant] I mean, a lot of teams are going the, the D in to, with a U-tack around. Like you think about T.J. Why, why is he so, so, so successful? Because he got Cam Hayward. You think about Christian Wilkins just paired up with, uh,


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[Assistant] It's definitely a, it's a productive one for sure. I mean, it's not, it's not the, it might not be the splash that everybody wants. He might not have the name, but when you think about the production and what he can do for this defense, I mean, you, you definitely want a nice solid rotational piece. And that's the thing. It's, yes, you want the big one name opposite of Miles, all of that.


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[Assistant] But at the end of the day, you got your one main guy that teams are going to worry about. And then you got a whole bunch of guys that can rotate and get you that same level of production. That's the thing. You want to, no matter who's in there, still have that high production level. And that's what Quint Q gives you. So it's a nice sign.


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[Assistant] So I think if the Browns were to go after Mike Williams, it would tell me one thing and one thing only.


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[Assistant] They got to be with him in training camp and they seen what they seen and they know that he was a productive player. I think to them, their challenge is how do we get him more involved? You know, it was at times of the season, late in the season, he played well at times and I think they're trying to figure out to themselves, how do they get that production out of him for 17 games opposed to


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[Assistant] The last four or five games of the season. So I think...


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[Assistant] For me, I would love it. I mean, it's a big name. Cedric Tillman could model his game after him.


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[Assistant] You know, they got similar play styles and stuff like that. That would be nice, but I don't think that they're willing to say that because they'll say we got Coop, Judy, and uhm,


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[Assistant] Elijah Moore, and I'm not saying that that's right, cause like I said, I wanna be on record. I would go get Mike Williams, but I just don't think that they would, they'll look at him and say that that's a need that we need to make right now, especially paying him money like that.


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[Assistant] If I was Mike, I would tell Lil, I would pick up their phone and say, hey Patrick Mahone, what's going on? I know you meet a guy, I could be the number one over there, I could play on a one year prove it deal, but knowing you, my numbers is going to be inflated because you going to pass the ball a lot. With Cleveland, if they became a passing, a more passing team, then cool.


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[Assistant] I still, I always, they was talking about last year.


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[Assistant] I just joked with Sherm the other day. Sherm tells me.


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[Assistant] He's okay. He's a first round talent. That's the best part. You're probably getting him at a lower deal. He's a first round talent. I think he's a, I want to say he's more of a run stuffer than a pass guy.


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[Assistant] And if you get there and help a DB in that dig window, you are caught a high price hooker.


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[Assistant] The ones that did they job. They got to 10 to 12 yards. High price hookers. Why high priced? Because they're, they're doing their job, which other linebackers get enticed by play action and stuff. So like if they go diving in there, now that dig window is wide open. Are those guys low rent hookers? No, you just call them, they're Jags.


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[Assistant] So yeaah. Point of the story is Taki Taki was considered a high priced hooker. He was. And Devin Bush is not.


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[Assistant] I mean yea, like I say, it's a first round talent. Is he my first choice? No. I always, I still say Jerome Baker, the touchdown maker from Benedictine that went to the Buckeyes, go Bucs, would be my first choice. Him and J.O.K. together, same athletic ability. It would be magical there.


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[Assistant] I'm not Andrew Berry, so I would take Devin Bush who was a first round talent.


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[Assistant] People gonna read that and they gonna say, what is he talking about? And then you'll hear, like that's football terminology right there. So I just put you inside a locker room of what you call a hook dropper. That does his job correctly. A hook dropper? Too classic?


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[Assistant] Because they fire coaches and still pay salaries. So it's like, you know, you're going to fire me, but you don't pay me my salary.


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[Assistant] I heard, I heard that he would, because I played, I might have been with the Jets or the Texans when I was with him. So how many, Tony Browns.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, listen, D'Anthony Bell sat right in this chair, maybe it was a chair over, sat in that chair and he said that next year we should be much better because it's year two. And, like I said, I think the,


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[Assistant] The biggest difference for me from last year and this past season was Jim Schwartz not his new


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[Assistant] I didn't think that they were always the toughest team. I didn't always think that they had the best attitude. I always thought that sometimes, you know, like Pittsburgh and Baltimore without physical them in games.


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[Assistant] This was the first year that I said no, I think the Browns are the aggressors, they are the more physical bunch. And the Anthony Bell confirmed that for me.


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[Assistant] I'm okay with them running it back because I think now the body of these players are


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[Assistant] Seasoned is the word, you know, when you, the first time you go through something, you know, your body is, that's different than what your body is used to, your body breaks down. And I think that's what happened over the course of the season.


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[Assistant] They weren't used to being the physical team. They were more of finesse guys. Now that they had to stand in there and be physical, their body started to break down. So when you got towards the end of the season, they started to run out of gas a little bit.


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[Assistant] I think now that they've been through it for 17, 18 games and they know the style of play your body's used to taking that, as used to being.


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[Assistant] Physical, that she'll be even healthier and be better later on for next year.


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[Assistant] So I think they will be better next year. I think that the pieces that they've gotten in there, although they're not the big splash moves that some people will want.


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[Assistant] I think they're productive pieces that can still get the job done. And I think that those numbers will be the same. I think you added a pass rusher that's gonna help get to a passer, which is gonna help lead to takeaways and turnovers for the secondary. As long as these guys stay healthy, they can continue being a top five defense every single season.


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[Assistant] Well, D'Anthony Bell will tell you the same thing that everybody else did. They just had a bad day on the wrong day. I mean, when I look at it...


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[Assistant] I just think that I thought Detections did a really good job. First of all, the pass rush didn't seem like it was there. No. You know, you thought in the playoffs they would turn it up a notch, and it was kinda like...


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[Assistant] I guess towards the end of the season outside of Alex Wright, the pass rush really wasn't getting home like that.


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[Assistant] Exactly, so it was like the pass rush kinda died down. And what happens when the pass rush down, down? Now the secondary has to cover a little bit more, do a little bit more than they're used to doing. And I think the Texans was buying that extra second and scheming guys open on plays.


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[Assistant] I just think the secondary wasn't used to doing that. They were used to, listen, I gotta stay on my man for three to four seconds, by that time the D-line will probably win and the ball will be out.


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[Assistant] And that wasn't the case with the Texans and I think that that paid dividends and that's why, you know, guys started getting beat on routes and stuff like that because it's just things we're used to. I always go to the play where, uh,


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[Assistant] Where Gene New got beat by uh, Nico Collins. And I broke it down. And I can't, I remember that he, there was a motion in the play by Nico Collins.


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[Assistant] G knew took his time getting over there getting set. When you get motion in the NFL, you gotta get set now. Because if you don't, and you're still moving around, now you try, now you try to get set, and the guy's already gone. And I think he fell victim to that. In that play, Nico Collins ran a sluggo, which is a slant and go.


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[Assistant] In G New's mind, if he runs a slam, you know, by the time he even thinks to run a go route, pass rush should be there. The ball should be out, he gotta look away. Well that pass rush didn't get there, so he got a clean go, and now it's a big play. So I think that's, ultimately to me it came down to the pass rush.


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[Assistant] Are you insinuating that Myles Garrett is more important than Joe Flacco was back then?


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[Assistant] And then another thing in that game, you know. I also think that...


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[Assistant] Up until that, that, that playoff game, up until that point, the backups or the guys that came in were solid. They made plays and it was unbelievable at the rate that they were being developed right in front of our eyes. That playoff game, I remember Ronnie Hickman got beat and did some stuff in that game where it was like, it was almost like a, uh, uhm,


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[Assistant] Jared Allen type thing where the light's kind of- The moment was too big? Yea, a little bit. Yea. Like, they took advantage of a young player. And that's- Right. That's what you do. You get to there and you find the weakest link and you exploit it every time. You- This is the guy that we gonna go after. This is the guy that's gonna help us win this game.


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[Assistant] And they found him and they kept doing things and getting his eyes and he wasn't where he needed to be at times. And it just, it just continued to make plays. So it was a point where they gotta stay healthy. You know, maybe if Juan Thornhill and, and, uh,


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[Assistant] Well maybe, maybe that's why you see them making some of the moves that they're making to get guys in there that maybe they can have more of a rotation so they can be fresher for down the line. Right. Maybe.


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[Assistant] It was that between that and uh, what was the other one?


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[Assistant] I know, but it was another dog. You don't like that, huh?


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[Assistant] I don't care. I don't usually care about such things. Do you, do you, do you wear like brown hoodies and stuff?


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[Assistant] I thought it was pretty good. Anybody that loves them had them on their fantasy team.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when he first came out, or I didn't think that, I was like, I don't see it.


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[Assistant] The big arm and the great speed, okay, that's fine. But there's more to the NFL than that. And it's not like his numbers was great. He ran the ball and he threw the deep ball. That was about it. I think at some point in time it's going to catch up to him. He's got a stand in the pocket and he's learning that even though I'm 240, 250, I still need to get down.


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[Assistant] That's the part that he gotta develop. Improvise wise, he runs out of the pocket and get those yards. He's like a young Josh Allen. He needs a coach that's gonna critique him like Dable did with Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] That's my personal opinion. If he don't get that, I don't think he's a good quarterback.


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[Assistant] I tell you what though, my boy Paris, my boy Paris, my boy Paris told me that Danny Dimes is not as bad as y'all think he actually is. I agree, he's not that bad. Like people say like Danny Dimes, he said no, he actually is a really decent quarterback. I actually think he's in the Baker class, I really do.


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[Assistant] I think everybody's just selfish. I really do.


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[Assistant] He's not gonna, he wasn't gonna start over Deshaun. No, of course not. No matter what happened, he was not. So why would you want to have a guy be miserable on the bench behind a quarterback that he's never gonna play over? So put him.


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[Assistant] Anthony Richardson's coming off of his shoulder injury or whatever his injury was. I don't know if he'll be 100% healthy for the beginning of the season. Maybe he gets a moment where he could go in there. Or if Case, if he does bad, they can pull him, put a veteran in there. Like it's, it's a, I think his chances of seeing the field is much more significant in Indy than in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] If y'all, if people feel that way about, if there is


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[Assistant] Distractions and stuff that's going on with quarterback one and then quarterback two has that. The only job is to bring Philip back because Philip has none of that going on and he wins games. Philip is clean as a whistle. So bring Philip back. Oh lord. Go Browns.


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[Assistant] They thought, you know what, our, our scheme is better than the players. We'll just get a player that's similar to it and it'll fit the scheme and it'll be perfect. And then you realize that you actually need those types of players. Absolutely. So that's why


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[Assistant] Let's go pick her. Didn't play for the same load of Vikings. Oh.


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[Assistant] Who did you say? Eh, probably right.


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[Assistant] What, that, you, that's crazy. You read that and thought, uh, No, I read that and thought receiver. No, I read that and I thought linebacker. I thought receiver.


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[Assistant] Why would he? No, actually that's a lie. I read it and thought receiver. But then I was like. Mike's trying to trick you. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Jay Crawford not here. I needed Jay to be disappointed. Alright.


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[Assistant] Say, I want to know, after watching that performance, after just that one game performance, what's your closing game line up again?


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[Assistant] How many games does Tristan got to go? He's close.


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[Assistant] I got a question, and I feel like I'm being bullied. What do you do to bullies?


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[Assistant] And I said if you would have been paying attention to the conversation, you wouldn't have thought about it. The point of it was it was taken out of context. Yes, right. Just text them back and say thanks for watching.


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[Assistant] I mean, his presence on the court, obviously, he got the locker one over. They know who he is. Uhm, you know when he's out there, you know you need to be at your best. You know, he's gonna set you up. Guys, it's gonna take the attention of defense, which means that my opportunities


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[Assistant] Is going to be more open than when it's just Darius, you know? So I think that they were jacked up for him being out there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like you say, he does bring that energy. I mean, you see that, let him know, and you know he's the heart and soul of that team at times. It just makes everybody play better, and that's what you want. That's the point of a superstar, to raise the play of everybody else, and that's what happens when he's on the court.


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[Assistant] The reason that they ask that is because everybody's not gonna go pro, you know, and they, until a lot of those kids...


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[Assistant] You know, yes, everybody's dream is to go play professional football, but the reality is everybody's not good enough to do that. So they're gonna maximize their one potential.


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[Assistant] If everybody went to Ohio State and every Ohio State had everybody, everybody ain't gonna play. So it's like, you know, you gotta figure out those things.


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[Assistant] But yea, it's definitely different. I mean, that's the first question they want to know, how much I'm going to get paid. But the development part, they're assuming that's going to happen. That's why they're coming to you to begin with. If they choose to go, if they went to Wyoming, yea, like that's totally different. Alabama, I know you're going to develop me and get me there.


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[Assistant] I just want to make sure that I can get the best of both worlds. I can get paid, maybe I'm not going to get paid as much as Wyoming will offer me, but I'm going to get something that can at least keep me secure. So I think that's why that's the first question on their mind.


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[Assistant] She's not part of your crew. Well, that's the thing. There's no exclusives. Like we don't just like, like, like, I don't know. Will, Will Howard won't just work with just us. Like he can work with the foundation too. So I don't know what going on over there. Anyway, you got a thought Mike?


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[Assistant] It was Elijah Moore that got traded like right before the draft wasn't it? She never made that trade.


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[Assistant] I thought you said you had some idea or something that you wanted to run by.


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[Assistant] And welcome everybody to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show right here on Channel 3 WKYC. And, uh, we've got a lot to get to on today's show, including the Guardians play their first regular season game in 20 days. Who will be out there in their starting lineup on the opener in Oakland? We'll get to that in a little bit.


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[Assistant] Mike, I'm very aggravated about that topic. Perfect. I don't like that topic at all, but we'll get to that later in the day. Will we begin with, Mike?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think it's more about the players than the coaches. Everybody thinks, and the general sense is, and maybe I'm wrong, that, well, you got a new offensive coordinator and a number of new coaches, so they're gonna make significant changes to the offense. The assumption was, when Dorsey came in,


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[Assistant] That he would be the playcaller. At this point we don't know for sure. And if he is, yeaah, maybe it will change. I think the Browns offense would have changed last year to some degree if Deshaun Watson had not gotten hurt. They would have thrown the ball more with Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] And they did throw it more with Joe Flacco once they had a quarterback that they trusted to throw the ball. Of course they're going to throw it less with PJ Walker and DTR. I get what you guys are saying that


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[Assistant] It's not just about throwing the ball versus running the ball. It's also about how you throw the ball with quarterback in under center versus shotgun. But I think


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[Assistant] Some of the changes to the offense are really going to be based on the guys they bring in more than the coaches they've added.


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[Assistant] The offense worked very effectively with Joe Flacco. And, you know, I guess had its moments with Watson.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, the quarterback play wasn't good enough and, and, and yes, I think the coaching changes signal a change on the offense. I just don't know if it's going to be as dramatic as, as you guys think it is. We'll see. I mean, Deshaun Watson was in the shotgun. What percentage of the time last year? Mike, refresh my memory.


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[Assistant] Okay, so how much more do we think it's going to be? Is it going to be significantly more than 66%? Is it going to be in shotgun 90% of the time now? I'd say 70, maybe 80. Yea, I mean if it is, then that is a dramatic change.


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[Assistant] You know, the report was, who knows what's true, that obviously Deshaun Watson ultimately came to Cleveland because of the money, right? The money was guaranteed.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, let's talk about another Brown's topic here in the YouTube show. And if you, if you, if you're only watching us on channel three, let's say you're a loyal WKYC viewer and you're only on channel three and you see us once a week or you're watching us for the first time.


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[Assistant] We are on for two hours every day, from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. every weekday, except for a few holidays. We are here talking Cleveland sports with you. We've got you covered. We've got a variety of panelists in addition to three of us. Jay Crawford, of course, who you see on Channel 3.


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[Assistant] All the time and Tyvis Powell plus Mikey McNuggets and Earl from behind the scenes are on with us quite a bit too and Anthony.


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[Assistant] What I would say is if you haven't seen us on YouTube, maybe you're not on YouTube, I don't know, give it a shot. It's really easy. Just type in The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show on YouTube and you get more of this content.


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[Assistant] Best are dream scenarios for the Browns in free agency, but now we gotta get a little more serious. If there's one guy in free agency that the Browns got to add, who is it?


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[Assistant] Alright, I got the same guy. I'm sorry to be boring, but my guy is also Hollywood Brown. Uh, because, you know, a lot of the same reasons you gave. Listen.


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[Assistant] Has been at wide receiver. Yes, they made a trade for Mark Cooper. That was a great trade. But outside of that, everything they've done at wide receiver to this point.


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[Assistant] And the, you know, the story's not written on Cedric Tillman and maybe not even on David Bell. But at this point, everything else they've done at Y receiver has been awful. Awful. And...


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[Assistant] I don't want them driving one receiver again. Marquis Brown is not a superstar. He's only had 1,000 yard season, but he's mostly been healthy and he has great speed and I think with Deshaun Watson is the number two option.


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[Assistant] Or the 2A, 2B, David the Joke was 2A. I think he'd be a thousand yard receiver in the Browns. He's way better than Elijah Moore or any of the other receivers. I think it makes a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] Alright, you're the only one going defense. When we come back, well, defense, offense, pitching, the Cleveland Guardians, their season is 20 days away in Oakland.


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[Assistant] Who will be in the opening day lineup? We'll give you our prediction next on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show here on WKYC. Guys, it's time to talk Guardians. We are 20 days away. The Guardians will open the season on a 10-game road trip starting in Oakland. You gotta stay up very late opening night. I think it's a 10 o'clock game, I believe.


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[Assistant] So, hopefully we'll all stay up. I know I'll be up for it, Jason. I bet you will be too. The question is, who will be in the starting lineup for the Guardians when they do? Jason, you're up first.


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[Assistant] Let me tell you why Jason is wrong, because if you look at his lineup, Jason's never wrong. If you look at his lineup, there's gonna be...


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[Assistant] Some platoon guys, and he's got some left handed batters. Now, I'm assuming, we don't know who's going to be starting for Oakland for sure on opening day. My assumption is that it will be a pitcher by the name of J.P. Spears. Trust me folks, you've probably never heard of almost every player on the A's. But J.P. Spears was their best pitcher last year.


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[Assistant] And he's been fine in spring training. If he was a disaster in spring training, maybe I'd look at somebody else. But JP Spears I think is their most likely starting pitcher. He is a lefty.


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[Assistant] And so, I took, I did not have Estevan Florio, who I think early will only play against righties.


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[Assistant] And I did not have Will Brennan in the lineup against the lefty as well. My lineup though is similar. Six of the first seven guys are exactly the same. Jason and I both have Quan, Jimenez, Ramirez, Naylor, Loriano, and Bo Naylor. We have those six guys in the exact same spot. Now, everybody knows how I feel about Miles Straw.


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[Assistant] And I don't think he's gonna play every day. But I do think he's gonna play against lefties at least initially. But I have Tyler Freeman making the team.


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[Assistant] And playing D.H., I, I, I, you know, because Manzardo's not going to be here. Otherwise I would have had Manzardo at first and Naylor at D.H. We're in agreement that Manzardo will not make the team out of spring training. I think Freeman, I think Freeman Brennan and uh, Floria will all make the team. I forgot who I left out, but I have all three of them on. And so, no Rockio.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so I got Tyler Freeman DH-ing on opening day, batting sixth. I got Arias playing shortstop, and then Miles Schrupp because it's a lefty. I'm hoping he, I don't want him starting at all. I think they'll still start him against lefties sometimes.


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[Assistant] Uh, because they're worried, at least early in the season. I think if Florio takes off, he plays centerfield every day. But I think early in the season, they'll sit him against the left.


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[Assistant] That's not going to be a platoon situation. The only way it's not going to be Arias is if Rockio wins the, like,


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[Assistant] But they want Arias to get one more chance, I think. Now, with Steven Vought and not Frank Kona, I don't, you know, I don't know. Things could change. Things could change, but I'm in agreement. I think Rockios might, I think he's the better prospect long term.


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[Assistant] By the way, I actually thought it was possible if it's a lefty and nobody did it, they would start hedges instead of bone nailer, but I talked myself out of it. I talked myself out of it. But remember, Maestro is not who I want out there. It's who I think that they will start. Alright, Mike, what do you got?


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[Assistant] Folks, how many kidneys would you trade for a Brown Super Bowl championship? Well, you don't have to give up those, but would you give up a Cavs championship or a potential Guardians championship?


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[Assistant] We'll see what everybody thinks. Coming up next on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show on WKYT.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show here on WKYC. Guys, uh, this is one of these wacky questions that Mike comes up with, but fans think about these kind of things all the time. What would you trade


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[Assistant] I mean it depends what you are as a fan and what your favorite team is. I think the majority, my guess is that the majority of sports fans that are either live in Cleveland or are from here originally


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[Assistant] Would trade, would make the trade that G. Bush would make. Probably. Not easily, but would. I'm with Jason though, and, and


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[Assistant] I'll look at it, I agree with what you said, the celebrations. I'll look at it from a selfish standpoint as somebody who didn't grow up, grew up rooting for Cleveland teams. And I have a level of fandom now for the Cavs, the Browns, and the Guardians. But if you ask me as, from a personal standpoint, which team do you root for the most?


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[Assistant] I root for the Guardians the most, because I love baseball, I love football, but I root for the Guardians the most, and maybe that's partly because the team I root for in football is in the same division as the Browns, whereas the team I root for in baseball is not, even though we know what happened in 2015.


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[Assistant] I'd still root for the Browns to beat anybody in the Super Bowl, and I'd root for the Guardians to beat anybody but the Cubs in the World Series. And I'd obviously root for the Cavs to win a championship. I do root for all teams at some level, but my favorite Cleveland team is the Guardians, so I would not, if the Guardians could win a championship, I would not give that up for anything.


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[Assistant] The weather for the basketball parade is the best of course. It was hot that day. And the baseball would be pretty good in early November. The football parade here in February would be rude from that standpoint. But there would certainly be a zillion people. Although we're going to have a zillion people. Opening day for baseball with the eclipse, it's going to be bonkers downtown.


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[Assistant] That's true, the women's final four. I should say home opener, not opening day of the season. Mike, you want to give a quick answer?


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[Assistant] If you're saying you'd do two and two, you'd do, you'd do any amount.


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[Assistant] Ladies and gentlemen, your long awaited return of Adam the Bull takes one more day. He returns to the panel tomorrow, but today you're stuck with myself, Jason Lloyd, Tyvis Powell. We got Earl the Pearl behind the glass sitting next to Anthony Antonelli and director Steve, who may have a new nickname.


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[Assistant] When you watch Behind the Glass tonight, there may be a new nickname for uh, director Steve. So highly recommend tuning into Behind the Glass, that debuts.


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[Assistant] And you said before, Earl, the, the Warrensville Lady Tigers really balanced offensive attack. So 11 points may not jump off the screen as, oh my goodness, that's a legitimate, uh, number one option we have to stop from scoring 25 a game. But across the board, 11 on a balanced offensive attack is a hell of a, hell of a stat line to look at.


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[Assistant] And you said Keystone this weekend, or Keystone this week is their next playoff test?


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[Assistant] Keystone, I don't want to make bold predictions, but I have a good feeling that Keystone's going to be holding an elf come Wednesday night.


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[Assistant] Atlanta and Minnesota, the next three games.


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[Assistant] To your point, Davis, no one's arguing the Cavs are better without Donovan Mitchell. I'll give you some numbers just to back up how much different the Cavs have been this season with Mitchell on the court.


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[Assistant] First with Mitchell off the court, and I apologize for reading off the phone, but there's a lot of numbers I want to make sure I get this right. Donovan has a plus 9.7 net rating. It's the highest of any starter on the Cavs, highest of any player. Their second highest starter's net rating is Jared Allen plus 7.2. So he's over two points better than any other starter.


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[Assistant] Their defensive rating with Mitchell on the court, 107.1.


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[Assistant] Defensively, a drop of 5.7 defensive net rating is a drop from Minnesota number 1 in the league to the Clippers at number 12 in the league.


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[Assistant] So they're a significantly different team without Donovan, just like every team in the league would be without their best player. But to Jason's point, and I think the big picture here for the next three games, and if he does miss more,


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[Assistant] Then just those three. The next two after that are Brooklyn and Phoenix. At home and back to back Sunday Monday here. Is in the Knicks game when Brunson went down. The three best players in the court should have been Darius.


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[Assistant] And that's why I thought that loss was, if not their worst loss of the season, in the conversation to be their worst loss.


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[Assistant] Now tonight, they won't have the three best players on the court. You could frankly make the case that even without Brown and Porzingis,


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[Assistant] Celtics may have two of the three best. Hell, you can make the case they may have three of the best.


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[Assistant] Derek writes a phenomenal play. He is a very good player. I'm just saying, you can make the argument, and we'll talk about the top 50 players, one of those two guys you mentioned's on it, and some Cavs aren't. So, we'll talk about that in a sec. But, this is a chance for Darius, no Donovan.


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[Assistant] It's 2021-2022, let's see All-Star Darius again. Evan, this is your chance to show up, my friend. Jared, you can't have four rebounds like you did against Chicago.


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[Assistant] You can't shy away in the clutch moments like you did against New York. This is your opportunity to kind of submit what the Cavs need you to be come playoff time. At the Jason's point, he said it every time we've talked about the Cavs the last three weeks. I want to see what they do left-handed. When Donovan's not there, what does this team look like?


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[Assistant] Well, this is a built in, and I'm not calling an excuse, this is a built in trial run to see what lineups work best, how to best optimize the five, six guys, seven guys you have healthy in the rotation and how to get Darius back to being 20, 21, 20, 22 Darius.


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[Assistant] This is that team with more shooting around him. This should be theoretically speaking.


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[Assistant] The best version to unlock all of Darius skillset.


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[Assistant] I guess, I don't want to call it a good time. There's never a good time for an injury like this. But, to Jason's point, there's enough time for him to come back, get 100% healthy- He's talking about Donovan? Yeah.


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[Assistant] So two things, two things with that. He's played 47 games this season. The Cavs have 22 games left.


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[Assistant] If he misses just these three and he plays the other 19, he's still eligible for postseason awards. It's at 65 game threshold. If he misses two more, let's say a back to back on Sunday and Monday, which could be this week, bossed, uh, Brooklyn and Phoenix.


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[Assistant] Ineligible for postseason awards, but I know it's not the end-all, be-all goal that caps a much bigger aspiration than Donovan Mitchell being a first-team All-MBA guy, but


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[Assistant] He was having an MVP caliber season, at least in the conversation. He's not in the Jokic SGA Yanis conversation, but in that con, in that, you know, top five, top six.


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[Assistant] That's, that's an accomplishment. For sure. So, it's gonna suck for him if he does take a little longer than just these three games, that he'll be ineligible because of these new NBA rules. But on a bigger picture for the Cavs,


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[Assistant] I still believe the two-seeds crucial for them in the postseason. And now they fall into the three-seed, they're half a game behind Milwaukee. And with Donovan out, we're gonna need Darius, Jarrett, Evan,


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[Assistant] Hopefully Max gets back healthy, his injury's not anything serious. Same with Isaac. Taris.


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[Assistant] We could use one or two or six or seven, please. Dean Wade, Sam Merrill.


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[Assistant] All these guys have to come together to keep the Cavs afloat because there is a stretch. This schedule is a gauntlet coming up. I mean it really is a gauntlet. I can't emphasize that enough. Earl had mentioned earlier, it is the 8th hardest schedule in the NBA down the stretch and especially


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[Assistant] Up until March 26, they play almost exclusively playoff and play in teams.


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[Assistant] I really don't want to be in that 4-5 matchup. And I would much, much, much, much, much prefer, and I think the Cavs kind of need that home court advantage in a 2-3 series against Milwaukee.


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[Assistant] Just because I think the idea of having to go on the road to Milwaukee for a game seven in the second round of the playoffs, the outlook of that game looks drastically different at the Pfizer forum or whatever it's called in Milwaukee.


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[Assistant] Versus at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse. So I do think it is really critical for this team.


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[Assistant] I referenced the numbers yesterday and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this, but Jared Allen's net rating this season when he's the only big on the court, so without Evan Mobley's plus 12.6. Evan Mobley's net rating when he plays without Jared Allen is plus 5.9. Their net rating together is 4.6.


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[Assistant] It's still a work in progress, obviously. Evan has to shoot the play you referenced late in the fourth quarter when Darius drove on the Knicks. And Evan,


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[Assistant] Evan is wide ass open, in the left corner, unguarded. And not only were the Knicks not guarding him.


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[Assistant] It causes a turnover, and that's essentially the game. And that's where, you know, we talk about mobile having to shoot more threes.


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[Assistant] Even if he's not making him, he has to be a threat to where Darius can feel comfortable dishing the ball off him. Darius has to make that pass in that moment.


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[Assistant] Now, I know it's got a small on tag word, but Evan Mobley is standing in the left corner there.


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[Assistant] You see four Knicks, there are one, two, three, four, five, six, there's seven, seven feet in the paint. Now this, this play ends up being a turnover by the way. Darius tries checking it out. There's nowhere for him to go. Now A, you could say it's kind of a reckless drive on Darius' uh, on Darius' part to be driving into the paint, but he also,


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[Assistant] He hasn't shot many lately. I know, yeaah. His three point attempts have kind of tallied down and I thought he had a couple, well he's in Chicago, he took two or three early, missed them.


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[Assistant] Then I thought he got a little shot hesitant even though he had some good looks, but to what we talked about earlier, I just want to see him shoot those.


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[Assistant] The defense knowing, ay, he may shoot that, and at the end of a shot clock,


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[Assistant] The easiest three and the shot teams want the most.


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[Assistant] The pelicans shoot 43% of the team from the corner. Phew, that's deadly.


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[Assistant] Well, it's, it's not, it's not good in comparison to the rest of the league when you have guys, you know, Boston second in the league, Milwaukee third, Brooklyn fourth, Clippers five, OKC six, Indianapolis seventh, the Knicks eighth, Minnesota ninth, Phoenix tenth. Like, so most of the best teams in the league are in that top ten.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he has to have one of the highest corner three percentages.


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[Assistant] Isaac Okurows made himself 80 to 100 million dollars this summer. I'm serious.


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[Assistant] LeBron with Klay Thompson in his peak would have been the literal perfect pet. Oh my, I just, that's.


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[Assistant] I mean, he was great with Stefan. Draymond, don't get me wrong, but that is the ideal, ideal two guard next to LeBron. Oh my goodness.


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[Assistant] Beacon of Shooting, Okuro, Questionable Tonight, Max Struse, Questionable Tonight, Caris Levert, Questionable Tonight, and Earl, give us three before we break down a little bit of the Celtics.


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[Assistant] Oh, real quick, real quick. That graphic said Tuesday. We are doing our show Wednesday this week just because they play the Celtics tonight. We want to react to it tomorrow. So, Ultimate Cavs show tomorrow night. We'll see what we got behind the glass for y'all tonight at 6 o'clock.


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[Assistant] No, Boston is now number two defensively. What are we, three? Uh, I don't know actually.


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[Assistant] Right now, just to give you a little context on Boston, they're on an 11 game win streak. Yea they are. Their average margin of victory on this 11 game win streak is 23 points per game. They have two wins in this streak by 50 points. They have four wins by 28 or more points. Currently in the NBA, they're number one in offensive rating, number two in defensive rating. When you look at all the teams across the league,


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[Assistant] It is Boston, then kind of everyone else, that's especially the case in the Eastern Conference. And I was excited, as you mentioned earlier, tonight looked like to be a measuring stick game for the Cavs. When you thought you'd have Donovan and all your starters, Isaac, Max, Karras, we'll see if they play or not. But now I'm looking to see if JB can rally a troop similar to how Thibodeau did on Sunday night. They lose Brunson in the first quarter, a minute into the game, eight rotation players.


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[Assistant] It's gut check time, right? Put up or shut up. Earl, you mentioned yesterday, toughness comes from the reflection of your coach. And JB, it's time to see if you can get your guys to rally around and play with that level of intensity and that level of determination to put up a fight against the best team in basketball. Coming off a win against Golden State where at the end of the first half,


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[Assistant] I had to quadruple check my ESPN app to make sure it was accurate.


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[Assistant] I thought it was a typo at first. Then I went on Twitter and I was like, alright, they both have to be wrong. Let me go on my physical laptop to check the score.


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[Assistant] Really good defenders in their own right. So I'm looking tonight Jason to see, can the Cavs kind of find something within themselves, play with a little gut and intensity, a little toughness we didn't see on Sunday against the Knicks, and at least put up a fight, compete and contend, step above everyone else in the league right now.


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[Assistant] Yea, it was Struz, Okuro, uh, Wade was starting, right? He was, yea, Wade.


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[Assistant] To Jason's point about the Mitchell Robinson situation where he laughed at them and then did it again,


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[Assistant] That's right. No, I'm serious. There ain't nothing dog about. There's no dog about to see if they come out and they get pounded again tonight. Like there's no ex- Don't laugh. Sorry. That was a little weird. That was crazy. That was crazy. There's no excuse on national TV and back-to-back games to get pumped. You're supposed to be the second best team in the East.


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[Assistant] You got aspirations to win a championship. We've sat on this panel and said this team can compete with any team, including Boston, and now I'm rethinking that same take. And if they come out, a shorthand in Nick's team.


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[Assistant] Just embarrasses. You flat out, end of the game was close, the final score wasn't an embarrassing loss, but the fact that they lost was embarrassing. If they come out tonight with the same lack of intensity, lack of toughness, and they just frankly let Boston do whatever the hell they want to them on offense and defense, I don't know what it would take for me to buy back into this team. Like the white flag, it'll start be rotating, Divas.


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[Assistant] No, I'm saying I'm waving my white flag if I come out and I see Peyton Pritchard go off for 36 and 11.


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[Assistant] My point is, and it doesn't have to be, if they lose by 12, I'll be okay, lose by 13, you'll know it. It'll be a situation, you'll know it when you see it. And if it's another lackluster effort, and they kind of just...


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[Assistant] We don't have Donovan, we don't have Max, we don't have Isaac, whatever.


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[Assistant] I'll have a hard time ever believing this team will have it when it matters.


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[Assistant] I just, I just couldn't take them seriously as a legit contender.


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[Assistant] But if they, if they lay a mental leg, I'll phrase it like that. I just like, maybe I did a bad job phrasing this.


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[Assistant] I cannot ever see- I don't wanna say ever.


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[Assistant] I have a very hard time seeing myself buying back into this team, being mentally tough enough to compete in a post-season series if your response to what happened against New York on Sunday is another dud.


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[Assistant] Seven or eight. Before this stretch is over, he's back, but it's in the middle of this stretch. They got, like I said, they got five games in the next week. They got tonight, Thursday, Friday, Sunday, Monday. Five games in the next week.


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[Assistant] Well, we did have a little precursor evidence when we saw Donovan go after Zach Collins against San Antonio.


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[Assistant] We saw a little bit of fight when Jared Allen went after Ben Simmons in Brooklyn.


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[Assistant] This will not happen, I'm just throwing this out there because I think it would be hysterical. Not real, very fake scenario. And then we'll move on Earl.


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[Assistant] We know JB's gonna shrink his rotation to eight, nine tops in the postseason, right?


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[Assistant] He felt if they didn't win at least two playoff series, his job was gone. So he did something radical and was like, Kobe?


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[Assistant] I just want to make sure before I do an eclipse this, uhm, this is stupid, just never gonna happen. He goes to Kobe and goes, Niang's not playing in the playoffs. Cut him. Uh, Ty Jerome, cut him. Craig Porter Jr. not playing, cut him. I want perk. I want metal world peace.


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[Assistant] I want bring back the bad boy Pistons who was the big- I want John Sally, and you just assemble the Goon Squad.


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[Assistant] It goes down. You got the biggest, baddest, the most stars of former NBA brawlers. Who else?


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[Assistant] Fire Luke Walton. That's where John Salley, assistant coach. Bring back Ben Wallace. High as he wants to be. Bring back anyone you want.


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[Assistant] You want to start a fight with the Kaz and you got light, uh, heavyweight UFC champion John Jones on the bench?


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[Assistant] Not gonna happen. Alright Earl, let's get a real, let's move on to our next stop. Meet him in the parking lot. That'd be a start.


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[Assistant] Before you answer that specific question, this is, it's from Kevin O'Connor by the way, this was his top 50 NBA players today. He gave no criteria, I'll give you, I know it's small to see here, we broke this down into tiers so you can actually read it on screen. He didn't give any criteria on how he judged.


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[Assistant] This was, I mean, John Marantz in the same tier as Donovan Mitchell, so it's not based off this season. It looks like he calculated what you've done in the past with what you've done this year. No perfect science, this is Kevin O'Connor's top 50. In Donovan Mitchell's tier, he has, Mitchell is a tier 6 guy. Now he went,


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[Assistant] Jokic was tier 1 by himself, and then not everyone, not ahead of equal, but this was tier 6 with Donovan Mitchell, which was between


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[Assistant] 15 and 21. So we didn't put a number next to these names, but these are the players between 15 and 21. John Morant, James Harden, Donovan Mitchell, Dane Willard, Paul George, and Anthony Edwards. Initial thoughts on this part of it before we move on. Because I think Donovan


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[Assistant] I think he's a little too low between 15 and 21, but he's in the same category as Anthony Edwards. I think he's better than Harden and Damian Liller at this point. If you want to argue Paul George one way or another, I'll have it either way. But I think if this is the tier he's in, he's at the top of this tier, but I think he should be one tier up.


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[Assistant] The tier above by the way, so this was 10 to 15, this is just ahead of that list. Kevin Durant.


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[Assistant] Jimmy Butler, Anthony Davis, Tyrese Halliburton and Juan Benyama.


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[Assistant] Wemby, who's been un-incredible, like literally unbelievable, I think he's just too early to put him in that, that to your butt.


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[Assistant] Anthony Davis, Wembee, and Halliburton.


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[Assistant] So for the most part, okay. So this is where it gets interesting. This is what I really want to talk about.


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[Assistant] According to Kevin O'Connor, and this is his top 50 from the ringer, Donovan's the only calve in the top 50.


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[Assistant] He does not have an honorable mention, so I don't know if Darius, Jared, and Evan Mobley are 51, 52, 53. We have no idea where anyone outside of the top 50 comes in.


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[Assistant] Here are the players in tier 9 and tier 10, these are the bottom two tiers. In tier 9, Siakam,


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[Assistant] Dremon Green, Derek White, who plays the Cavaliers tonight, Paolo Bancaro, Mikhail Bridges, Laurie Markkinen, and Zion Williamson. That's tier 9. Those players play 35 to 42.


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[Assistant] Tier 10 now. This is the last tier of his top 50.


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[Assistant] Desmond Bain, Scotty Barnes, Brandon Ingram, Franz Wagner, Drew Holliday, Alpernson Gunn of Houston, Julius Randall, and Jaron Jackson.


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[Assistant] My big picture, and I know you guys are just kinda seeing this for the first time as opposed to seeing this earlier.


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[Assistant] If you want to argue one of the guys is better than Scotty Barnes.


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[Assistant] Sure, I'll listen. I probably would have both Darius and Jarrett over Scotty Barnes at this point, and I think there's a very good argument to be made that Evan Mobley should be over Scotty Barnes too. If you want to tell me that they're better than Julius Randall, I'll listen. I think it's a debate to be had. I think if you want to tell me Franz Wagner's a little too high, I'll listen too. But at the end of the day,


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[Assistant] If we're arguing whether Darius Garland, who's played a max contract, is a bubble top 50 guy, I say we need more from Darius. If we say Evan Mobley,


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[Assistant] Is a bubble top 50 guy. Maybe you guys think he's way higher. I'm looking at it. If he's a bubble top 50 guy, I think we need a little more from Evan.


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[Assistant] And I think Jared maxed out what he is. This is the best version of Jared Allen. And he's right in that 45 to 55 conversation.


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[Assistant] But if you only have one top 15 guy, and one guy who solidified himself a bonafide top 50 guy,


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[Assistant] We may have to reevaluate the ceiling of this Caps team. I don't think you won a championship with one top 50 guy. One bonafide, surefire, unquestionable top 50 guy. Do you guys disagree with where Darius should be ranked or not ranked or?


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[Assistant] Can you make a compelling case that one of those three guys should be a certified lock over any of the guys?


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[Assistant] And real quick for each other, I'm not saying Darius shouldn't be in there. I'm saying he's in that conversation. I think you make an argument if you want to say he's...


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[Assistant] Above one of those guys that I'm all for here in that discussion.


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[Assistant] But I don't, I don't think he's necessarily a lock. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think it's Darius Garland certified 100% unquestioned top 50 guy. Thomas, what do you say?


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[Assistant] I can't believe he put this player over, I mean Scotty Barnes, we've talked about a hundred times, I didn't think he should make the All-Star team over Jared Allen. I think he's a little overrated, his stats are inflated being on a bad Toronto team, but.


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[Assistant] I agree that Darius, if he's in there, do you guys, tier 10, he's on that last tier. Would you put him over into the tier 9 guys? Hey, will you pull up the tier 9 list again?


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, these are tier 9 guys, the second to lowest tier.


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[Assistant] And then we'll, we'll see if he fits. Dudes like Darius probably should be in here. But these are tier 9. Would you put Darius, Garland over any of these, these guys?


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[Assistant] Sexton's not on it. Tyler Hero's not on it. I saw a lot of Miami fans mad at Tyler. It's not just Cavs who are omitted, like, obviously, everyone outside the top 50.


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[Assistant] I think if he's on here, he's a tier 10 guy. So let's see the tier 10 guys real quick. So this is...


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[Assistant] The tier 10 guys, according to Kevin O'Connor, Desmond Baines, Scotty Barnes, Brandon Ingham, Franz Wagner, Drew Holliday, Sangoon, Randall, and Jaren Jackson.


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[Assistant] I agree. I'm all for that. Jason, would he be your replacement as well? Scotty Barnes?


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[Assistant] I think to the big picture, so we'll end with this before we move on to a little football. Let's say Darius is on that list in that tier 10, right?


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[Assistant] Can you win a championship with one guy who's a 10 to 15-ish player in Donovan Mitchell and your second best player be a 45 to 50 guy?


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[Assistant] The difference in those three you named, those three, the season they won it, were top five guys unquestioned.


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[Assistant] Yanis and Embiid too. Okay. Lucas, Steph, SGA, 456 in some number, numerical order. LeBron, Kawhi, Tatum and Booker. I mean, any argument with those being your top, what's that, top 10?


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[Assistant] So you don't have a top 10 guy and your second best is top 45 to 50.


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[Assistant] You can if you have a top 3 guy. But I don't think you're gonna make the case that Donovan's the top 3 guy right now.


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[Assistant] So, I sent Earl a couple ideas for topics today.


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[Assistant] And I mentioned a rumor I saw that Jonathan Allen of the Washington Commanders could be a trade candidate.


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[Assistant] For teams across the league, because they're gonna rebuild with Dan Quinn now. I see the rundown come out.


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[Assistant] So I google like, Jaguar's Josh Allen trade rumors.


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[Assistant] Can't find anything. It's not franchise tagged yet. Deadline's four o'clock today, but nothing didn't come up. So I text Earl, I'm like, Earl, where'd you see this Josh Allen thing? I sent you about Jonathan Allen. He's like, no, no, you definitely sent Josh. So I went to my email and I said, Jonathan.


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[Assistant] They're in a rebuild. They just hired Dan Quinn. They just gave Daron Payne a defensive tackle. 22 and a half million dollars a year. Alan's 29 years old and will be 29 during the season. Still productive.


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[Assistant] Numbers down a little bit from last season, but the commander's defense in totality was a complete catastrophe, so I'm going to kind of overlook that.


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[Assistant] He does have a pretty big cap hit this upcoming season and next season times.


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[Assistant] I'll tell, I'll save my thoughts for the end here because I kind of have a secondary idea to the whole Jonathan Allen preposition here, but we've seen what Jim Schwartz has done with defensive tackles in the past.


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[Assistant] Any defensive tackle that comes into his system seems to have its best season. Fletcher Cox, Jeffrey Simmons, I don't even throw Jordan Elliott into that mix. Different caliber of players I'm talking, all pro guys. But Jordan Elliott was a guy who went from a nobody to a guy who was going to make a decent change, a decent check in free agency this offseason. If the commanders are willing to listen,


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[Assistant] Would you be interested in possibly having that discussion if you were the Browns?


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[Assistant] Do we have, not on tag, but we have an assistant. If you want to pull up Davin Tomlinson's season stats, I know he had three sacks. They all came against Arizona.


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[Assistant] Alan. So his numbers were down this season. Now the commander's defense in total was just bad. They didn't give him any sacks as a team.


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[Assistant] I pivoted a little bit on this. Cause I'm with you, I don't think tackle is their most pressing need, but I think it may be their biggest area to get a...


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[Assistant] I want to use this loosely. A star caliber player. Wilkins is clearly a star. Allen I think is a very, very good player. I wouldn't say he's a star.


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[Assistant] But, would you consider to alleviate some of the cap hit that you bring with Allen? A bit of a player trade. Now, not Newsome, why tell her? Just throw it out, just throw it out there as a possibility. Would you trade Teller for Jonathan Allen straight up?


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[Assistant] Well, they probably have to sign one because Michael Dunn is a pending free agent.


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[Assistant] The reason Washington would at least consider this is they're probably gonna draft a quarterback. Second overall pick, right?


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[Assistant] Gotta keep that guy healthy. Keep him standing. They need help on the offensive line. New offensive coordinator. Pass happy offense. And they already have Daron Payne at defensive tackle. It's not a perfect even even cap hit. But just, I'm just asking.


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[Assistant] For Washington, their offensive line wasn't good, they got the most sacks in football last year, so whoever it is, tellers an upgrade.


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[Assistant] But they save money because it's technically lower cap at the end.


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[Assistant] We're just talking about Allen, but they are about to draft a quarterback. They gave up the most sacks in the NFL last season.


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[Assistant] I usually tell you when I know something could be plausible, I'll give you the, this could actually happen.


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[Assistant] They only have two under contract right now. That's what I'm saying. It's just Eka and Tomlinson.


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[Assistant] If someone wanted to say no, I think that's a totally reasonable answer. I would say yes to this potential trade proposal because at the end of the day, as good as Jonathan Allen's been in Washington,


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[Assistant] If he can even be 5% better under Jim Schwartz. He will be. He will be. You're getting a top 7 defensive tackle in football to pair alongside Miles Garrett. Which, Jim is so hard.


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[Assistant] And he's by far the best pass rushing tackle Miles had ever played with.


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[Assistant] And that's the one thing this year that the defensive tackles were certainly serviceable. Like they were good. I have no complaints of what they got.


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[Assistant] They were better against the run than they were against the pass. Most of their pressure came from Myles Garrett.


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[Assistant] And the outside, Tomlinson's three sacks all came against Arizona. Moha, uh, Mohurst was their best interior pass rusher.


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[Assistant] And Mohurst is a good player. Jonathan Allen is a much better pass rusher. That could be a dangerous proposition.


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[Assistant] I do too. I do too. I just think guard is one of the more replaceable spots. It is. It is.


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[Assistant] In a perfect world, if Washington would even entertain like Jack Conklin or Jed Willis for that, like that's, but I just, I don't think that's realistic.


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[Assistant] He's a warrior. Speaking of warriors, how about the Broncos owner being a warrior for deciding to take an 85 million dollar cat pit? And Earl, I know we gotta get a read in.


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[Assistant] Then we'll talk about the Russell Wilson situation and his potential prospects of joining the Pittsburgh Steelers.


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[Assistant] So as you guys saw the news yesterday, the Denver Broncos have released Titus Powell's best friend, Russell Wilson. He's going to...


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[Assistant] And he said he's willing to take essentially a veteran minimum contract now because Denver will be paying him.


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[Assistant] About 40 million dollars per year over the next two years. Not to play.


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[Assistant] For the Denver Broncos. So before we talk about any potential landing spots for Russell Wilson and his potential fit with the Pittsburgh Steelers,


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[Assistant] Tyvis, were you surprised at how this all ended up in Denver, especially considering the fact that Denver is now going to eat a record setting?


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[Assistant] $85 million in dead cap, which is twice as much as the previous record, which was Atlanta for Matt Ryan.


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[Assistant] It's from the extension they signed him to when he came to Denver.


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[Assistant] He played his first two years in Denver on his Seattle contract. That $250 million extension he signed starts this year. He's not going to play a single down for them.


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[Assistant] Body of work for Russell Wilson in Denver. 11 of 19 and 30 starts in two years. His traditional box score numbers look fine. You know, 26 touchdowns, 8 interceptions last year, but when you watch the games...


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[Assistant] He was a shell of the former Russell Wilson we saw in Seattle who was leading the Seahawks deep in playoffs to a Super Bowl alongside with a great defense.


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[Assistant] Uh, alright, so real quick, so Russ, I think we're on agreement. He's not the same quarterback he was in 2013, 2019, 2020 when he was with the Seahawks. I also don't think he's a washed up corpse of a quarterback. They can't help a team win in the future.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh's a team that we have talked about with a couple of these quarterbacks floating around the free agent market. We did something with Justin Fields as a potential landing spot. How would you guys feel if the Pittsburgh Steelers were to acquire


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[Assistant] Inferior agency Russell Wilson for essentially a million dollars on the veteran minimums not gonna eat anything into their cat.


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[Assistant] The fact that the Steelers made the playoffs with the quarterback carousel of...


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[Assistant] Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph, and Mitchell Jabriskie. It's not as impressive as what the Browns did.


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[Assistant] But that's a hell of an accomplishment for three quarterbacks who are all, excuse my French.


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[Assistant] They're all ass. They all suck. Like all three of those guys are not starting caliber quarterbacks in the NFL and I say that as someone


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[Assistant] Who can't throw a football like 30 yards myself. I know when I see bad quarterback play, turn on any Steelers game and you are seeing atrocious quarterback play. They still won 10 games because they're good defensively. They're extremely well coached.


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[Assistant] They have some sort of magic curse over Bull and every time Bull says they can't win 10 games in a season, they find a way to, it makes no sense, and they got weapons. And to your point earlier, as long as Russ could be a, I don't want, game manager's not the right word, but as long as he can just


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[Assistant] Get the guys who need to ball the ball in a timely, efficient manner.


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[Assistant] They got weapons! I mean, we saw what, uh, George Pickens did in that Monday night football game, taking a 71 yard slant route to the house.


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[Assistant] Jalen Warren, I mean, in the second game, their only touchdown came on that 75-yard sweep. Like, they have explosive playmakers. Deontay Johnson's no slash, Pat Friar moved the tight end. Their offensive line isn't great, but it got better throughout the season. They have the building blocks of a team that could be a legitimate threat, not just in the division, but in the conference, if they had competent quarterback play. And I still think Russell Wilson,


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[Assistant] It's capable of being a competent quarterback. Now I say all that to say, even if they got Russell Wilson, I'm not terrified. I'm not even.


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[Assistant] No, I'm closer to not being scared than I am to being terrified even with that. If that makes sense. From a Brown's perspective.


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[Assistant] Has there ever been a crossover coaching, uh, like a bringing Jim Schwartz for a speech?


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[Assistant] Well yea, the guy from the commanders, they brought in all these basketball guys that hired him.


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[Assistant] Those are the two options for the Steelers. Which, by the way, the Steelers say they're not reportedly interested in either. What Jason said about Kenny Pickett being their quarterback, that seems to be all the buzz heading into the off-season plan for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm not buying it personally, but if it came down to Justin Fields or Russell Wilson,


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[Assistant] Which one of those two would make Pittsburgh a more legitimate threat to the Browns and the AFC North for this upcoming season? Not long term, for this upcoming season.


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[Assistant] Well I think the jury's still out on Arthur Smith being a really good play caller. He had a lot of weapons to work with in Atlanta and granted their quarterback situation who he played.


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[Assistant] Who he picked completely handcuffed him to not being able to utilize it, but some of the games you see.


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[Assistant] I think Russ does make them a more dangerous threat to the Brown just because he's a plug-in-place guy. We talked about Fields in this exact situation. I'm not sold on Fields personally. I think after three years if you have to ask, is this the guy?


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[Assistant] Nine out of ten times, the answer is he's not the guy. Now, there are exceptions, and I do think he's super talented, but I think he may be, uh, kind of scarred mentally from his lack of coaching.


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[Assistant] There are still a lot of moves to be made, so I'm gonna ask this question. This is by no means a final answer by the time we come to September. But let's just say for the sake of this, Russell does sign with Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] Right now, based on the teams we know, the information we have currently available.


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[Assistant] Browns is currently constructed, Bengals is currently constructed, Ravens is currently constructed. How would you rank the AFC North? I know there's a million variables that will change come start of the season, but if you give Pittsburgh a quarterback, essentially, how would you rank those 14s, Thomas?


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[Assistant] Okay, so the report essentially said it came from CFB Focus. That, and you can read it here.


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[Assistant] Uh, one name that has come up is Florida Atlantic coach Dusty May. He is the guy LeBron is pushing for.


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[Assistant] Not alone. Not alone. That's why I went like this. He said he would have played at Ohio State had he gone to college. But he also said he would have played at Akron, Duke, UNC, Charlotte, Miami, Penn State, Indiana, UCLA, UNC. He says the right thing in front of the right.


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[Assistant] He's only been a head coach at Florida Atlantic. He was an assistant under Mike White at Florida. Been an assistant coach for a while. Uh, he's big in the transfer portal. That's how we got all these guys to Florida Atlantic. He plays an open four out one in system. His team's really good again this year. I actually would argue his Florida Atlantic team.


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[Assistant] This season is more talented than the team was last season despite their record not being as good, but they moved up conferences.


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[Assistant] My whole thoughts on this, if they end up hiring Dusty May, Ross Bjork, new athletic director. Yea, that's what I was about to say, Ross. Come to the conclusion that Dusty May is the right head coach, I think it'd be a great hire. Okay. If they come to the conclusion that Dusty May is the right hire because LeBron James says so, I have a big issue with that.


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[Assistant] Uh, Dusty May is recruiting his son to Florida Atlantic right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to my knowledge. He's from Indiana, by the way. He's not even an Ohio kid. Bryce? Bryce?


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[Assistant] And to your money point, like, Ross Bjork had some great hires at A&M.


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[Assistant] He also hired Buzz Williams. It hasn't turned out to be the great high. It was a great high at the time. Highly coveted coach, but.


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[Assistant] Hasn't had the success that you would hope for at A&M, but the one thing Ross has always done at an extremely high level is raise money.


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[Assistant] So I don't think the money side of it, Tyvis, is as big of a factor.


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[Assistant] As you may think just because this dude is elite at rallying the troops for money.


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[Assistant] So Dusty Mays is an Indiana guy. He was born and raised in Indiana. He played high school basketball.


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[Assistant] A lot of people presume that when the Indiana Hoosier's like, oh, Mike Woodson, that guy right there is next in line to become the Indiana head coach.


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[Assistant] So either way, Dusty May I think is a really good basketball coach. You don't take FAU to the Final Four by accident. Like there's a legitimate...


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[Assistant] And the tournament's wonky and upsets happen all the time, but Florida Atlantic is not a hotbed for recruiting grounds when you're in the state of Florida, when all these other guys are getting NIL opportunities at other, uh, other places. But he's done a really good job in the transfer portal.


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[Assistant] His teams play hard as hell. They got a seven footer this year named Vlad Golden, who if you don't know by now, he's going to be one of the bigger names in the tournament. They're going to be a top four seed in the tournament again this year.


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[Assistant] If Ross Bjork and the Ohio State contingent come to the decision that Dusty May is the right coach, I have no issue whatsoever.


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[Assistant] But we've seen LeBron, we've seen LeBron the player the best of all time.


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[Assistant] I ran an report online. Who knows? Who knows?


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[Assistant] Are you willing to bet that he's an A plus coaching firm? He's an A plus player. A B minus, C plus GM. Where would you project his coaching firm talents to be?


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[Assistant] We won the whole thing. Okay, that's respectable. I'll tell you FAU's tournament run.


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[Assistant] But they had that crazy game against San Diego State, if you remember.


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[Assistant] They were 35 and 3 last season. You're making a bracket this year? They were the 9 seed title.


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[Assistant] They were a 9 seed last year. Okay. Made the final 4. They beat Kansas State in the Elite 8. Uh, no they beat Houston in the Elite 8. They beat Kansas State in the Sweet 16. They beat Memphis in the first round. Uh.


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[Assistant] They're really good. They were a really good team last year, so.


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[Assistant] I would tend to agree, yea. I would tend to agree. But, like I said, if Ohio State decides he's the best option, I think it's a great hire. If it's because LeBron said so, that's where I got a little bit of a beef.


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[Assistant] Ty, I apologize. So here is their run in the tournament last year. They beat Memphis.


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[Assistant] Did they get smoked by you? Which is, but that was not Florida Atlantic. That was not Dusty Maine. This year, they are 22 and 7. They moved up conferences. Uh, they're projected 4 seed in the tournament right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, you can, you can frustrate Zack Eaddy by just putting, like Draymond Green-esque guys, just short, get up, kinda make it hard for him.


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[Assistant] Giant, but he can't move. Unless there's somehow a transition in basketball where they change the rules, which, have you heard anything about them discussing a possible rule change this offseason?


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[Assistant] You building a parlay, Ty? No. You gonna build a parlay for tonight's game?


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[Assistant] Let me, let me, this is a serious question. Serious question. This is not one of my jokes. This is not Highly Goon Squad. This is a real question.


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[Assistant] Let's say Donovan misses a week, so five games, right? Let's just say a week, got PRP shots, I know he's only scheduled to miss three games, but then I gotta back to back. For the sake of this, let's say he misses a week.


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[Assistant] How many combined points do the Cavs need from their big three now? Darius Allen-Mobly.


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[Assistant] To be able to win four of the five. And mind you, they're playing Boston, Atlanta, Minnesota, Brooklyn, and Phoenix.


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[Assistant] We asked Jay this yesterday, I'm curious what you think. Is there a chance Angel Martinez could win a starting spot on opening day in this lineup? He's been playing so well in this book.


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[Assistant] Uh, is there any chance the louder? I know it would be unprecedented. I saw it, but you see what Jeff Passan reported?


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[Assistant] Does he start this, he obviously starts the season with the Guardians, does he finish the season with the Guardians?


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[Assistant] According to pro football reference, so... Or does he just kick returner?


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[Assistant] The floor is yours, my friend. Yeah, I'd like to give a huge shout out to the Adrenaline 6th grade girls volleyball team that my wonderful girlfriend coaches for winning their first tournament bracket. This Saturday, they went 3-2 on the day and they absolutely demolished the last two teams they played. Wow. Awesome to watch and it was a really fun day. Shout out to the girls.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it depends on honestly how I feel about the Cavs at said time. Like I watched the game yesterday and I was excited to see them win because of course I want to see my team win but I wasn't over enthused and I think it's because of how they've played lately.


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[Assistant] Welcome one and all to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Mikey McNuggets in today. G. Bush in today. Squad. We've got, uh, Anthony as the producer today. Say that like it's a surprise. Yea, I like it.


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[Assistant] And we've got Earl and we've got Steve behind the glass as well. Lot to get to today.


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[Assistant] Later we'll talk about the Cavaliers and their mess of injuries. Gee, we've always got a problem with that thing.


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[Assistant] Lost some money on them. I did not watch the opening games yesterday.


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[Assistant] We don't know if the reported guaranteed money includes his 5th year option, which he, I think, will be playing on this year.


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[Assistant] We don't know that yet, but that'll be part of the conversation, but first let's go to Anthony for a read.


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[Assistant] It got announced, uh, that Jerry Pewdie had signed a contract extension.


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[Assistant] A three-year extension worth up to $58 million, including $41 million, fully guaranteed at signing.


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[Assistant] Now what we don't know is, because agents like to make these things look as good as possible, and usually guys like Rappaport get this information from the agents and not from the team.


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[Assistant] I guess so. But, uh, anyway, so the 40, was it 41 or 42 million? 41 guaranteed. So 41 guaranteed. Now, there's a big difference if that guarantee, if they're including this 50-year option, which is ridiculous to include it, but if that's what is included.


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[Assistant] Then it, the 50 year option is what? 12 million? 13. 13. So now it takes it down to 28, which is in line with some of the other free agents. I'll start with you guys, because I have...


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[Assistant] I didn't think this made much sense for the Browns because...


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[Assistant] Again, to me, if it includes the 50-year option, I think it's, I still don't like it, but not as, you know, I'm not as negative about it. If that guaranteed money does not include the 50-year option, I think it's absurd. But, you guys go, go ahead.