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[Assistant] Short yardage, goal line, red zone, plus 20 in, plus 15, plus 10, plus five. So they're categorized like that. Your play action, your boots, your Naked's, then you got your run list, you know, and, and they're, they're.


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[Assistant] Is personnel related, situation related, and then obviously you have your two minute and all that stuff. There's a lot.


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[Assistant] Better yeaah. Especially the quarterback. You could have three different ways or four different ways to run four verticals. You know what I mean? Out of bunch, Z motion, you know, whatever the formation might be. So, one play all go, which we all know, could be in there three different times out of different formations of personnel.


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[Assistant] Sometimes teams are a little more creative and those are the, those are the feature plays they really worked on had success with all we can practice.


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[Assistant] and a lot of defense are early in the game becaus crazy shifting and all th


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[Assistant] I remember Bill Belichick said he always used to try to weather the storm for the first 12 to 15 plays. And then after that defenses would settle in and play a lot better.


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[Assistant] And you might as well do to your strength what your strength is.


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[Assistant] And that's what they're tired to do, but guys like Stephansie McVeigh and, uh, Shanahan, they are there because they have good offensive minds, not because they run football teams, because they have plays extremely well.


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[Assistant] Oh, Joe Montana. No, I'm not, I'm not saying I was as good as Joe Montana. My dad coached at Notre Dame and my dad was partly responsible for them getting Joe Montana, so I kind of emulated my game after my footwork, everything. I was never obviously as good as Joe Montana, but I was the Joe Montana of the arena football team. Okay, we appreciate it.


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[Assistant] Can I chime in one thing real quick on what Jason just alluded to with defense and the coaching? I'm never going to criticize a coach.


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[Assistant] For being aggressive and trying to get a first down to end the game. I think there's like a, an extreme that goes too far.


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[Assistant] But in that situation, if Kevin Stefanski felt throwing the ball with PJ Walker gave them the best chance to get a first down, and a first down ends the game.


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[Assistant] A first down that situation, game over. It didn't work out.


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[Assistant] This is some deep analytics gonna make it super simple for you. EPA expected points above average, which is the most basic bottom line and CPOE completion percentage above expected. Two pretty basic analytics when you combine it together you get a composite score.


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[Assistant] And this is pretty telling. There are 35 quarterbacks in the NFL that qualify with enough passes thrown. Steve, you can take this graphic full of the 35 quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Take a look at this. Mack Jones is 31st with a combined composite score of 0.23. Josh Dobbs, who we'll see this weekend, 32nd in the NFL, 0.18. Kenny Pickett has not been good this year. 0.009. Zach Wilson, also terrible with the 004. And look at that.


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[Assistant] There's number 35, dead last PJ Walker with a minus, the only quarterback with a minus composite CPOE plus EPA in the league of a 0.42 on the negative side. Here's the Sean Watson. Does not actually qualify. Oh.


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[Assistant] Which means either Deshawn, PJ, or DTR. Let's say Deshawn needs one more week to heal up his shoulder.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know he has two fumbles lost. If you go to 14A Steve, he has six turnovers. Yeah. Or six turnovers, yes. And Steve will pull it up here. He has the one touchdown path.


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[Assistant] With what he's doing. It's like playing with fire. The last two weeks, the Browns against Indian San Francisco.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just real quick before we continue moving on here with the running back discussion. If you guys missed it and you guys do want to see someone lose their mind over Kevin Stefanski, I think we've been pretty level headed. So if you want to see like the extreme anger, the outrage,


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[Assistant] Head over to our post game show from yesterday. Gbush lost his mind about the third and three play call and you can still see that it's on our YouTube page. Uh, it was an hour and a half right after the game is the Browns.


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[Assistant] I got a couple, so the, the week isn't officially over. So a lot of the advanced analytics don't get updated until the week is completely complete. So they have it all in line. So nothing's necessarily up to date.


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[Assistant] They're essentially middle of the pack in anything in terms of success rate, in terms of expected points per average over, but the one kind of interesting thing I did find, and this is updated because PFF updates it on game by game basis,


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[Assistant] It's not an advanced analytic by any means, but there are specific areas of the line they're just way more effective running at and behind than they are at others. So, through all the games now, so through seven games,


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[Assistant] They are at their best running behind Jed Wills and behind Wyatt Teller. And other than that, they are bottom of the barrel. Running behind Jed Wills, running right up the middle of their center, running to the right tackle. We're talking a 5.4-


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[Assistant] Who's the left tackle? They're good behind Wyatt Teller, who's the right guard.


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[Assistant] To either the inside of the outside of Jed Wills, there are 5.4 yards per carry on 47 carries. Behind Wyatt Teller, so either...


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[Assistant] To his left or his right, they're averaging 8.1 yards per carry. A little bit inflated by the long touchdown run last week by Jerome Ford. But still, 23 carries, 187 yards. There is not another position on the offensive line where they're averaging more than 4 yards per carry.


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[Assistant] One more thing on the running game. Yeah. And this does play into what you're saying about they do have the second most rushing yards per game. Yeah. They average by far the most carries per game in the NFL.


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[Assistant] So they have 238 carries on the season at six in the NFL, but the other teams ahead of them have all played at least eight games and the six teams below them. So of the top 12, they are the only team in the top 12 with only seven games played. They average about four and a half more carries and ended their team in a league per game.


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[Assistant] 34 carries per game though, as a team. 34 carries per team. The next highest in the league is 31 and a half.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we'll get a couple in real quick. Then we're going to do another Fandome. We will get back into it. But, uh, DBDog21 said Kevin Stefanski is trying to win the game at the moment. I understand the past.


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[Assistant] But Adam's made a great play. If he hits the pass, we win. So if you want to fire Kevin's defense, then we have to cut Cam Mitchell for dropping the pick six. You don't become a great coach overnight. Give him time. Uh, Brody's bottom line says, Jason, you just don't like Kareem. Be honest. You sound foolish.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I got two more real quick, and I know we're going to get back to this a little later, but Paramajat Sand, who says, Kevin did call a great game, but when it comes down to situational football, he's terrible just because the Browns history is so bad. Does it mean we as fans should stand for mediocre coaching? And I know


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[Assistant] Earl wants to touch on that in a little bit, so we'll get back to that. We'll do one more real quick, but Matthew Culpe says fans who wants to fansky fired.


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[Assistant] Just want to keep living in the past and live in constant rebuild mode. We're going to read the rest of those a little later in the show. Two things before we get into the defense bowl. First, tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Which is October 31st. Right. Which is also the second day of the week. Which is also the NFL trade deadline. Alright, guys, let's talk a little defense. It's also Halloween. And before we do defense,


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[Assistant] For the first five, er, for the first five weeks, the Browns defense allowed 200 yards per game, essentially. We showed that stat through five games, they allowed 1,002 yards, which was the most, er, the fewest in NFL history.


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[Assistant] And then they had little struggles against Indianapolis. And then we see Seattle early on. They got gashed in the first quarter. Then they became back to that original form. Locked Seattle down for 43 and a half minutes for that last drive where Seattle marched down the field to take the lead. Yeah.


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[Assistant] How can you explain the inconsistency with that group? Because that's what I'm struggling the most to wrap my head around.


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[Assistant] Richard Sherman has five all-pro teams. Three first teams.


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[Assistant] That's it. Well, look at the schedule right here for anyone who wants to see it with us. And we'll go through this. They have Josh Dobbs and then Lamar Jackson. They avoid potentially Kyler Murray because he will not play. So we'll go to the next one here as we continue to work through this schedule.


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[Assistant] Yeah. He got hurt yesterday. He's hurt. And I heard a report today on Twitter that he may be headed to the IR. Oh really? Which would put him in jeopardy of that game. So he's very TBD for that moment. Yeah, obviously Trevor Lawrence is a


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[Assistant] Could see Aaron Rodgers back though, if he can take this remarkable recovery from the academy.


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[Assistant] One thing that I have noticed about the Browns defense early in the year against the run teams had zero success. Right. Zilch not at nothing. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And in each of the last three weeks, and it was a little bit in San Francisco early, then they kind of locked it down. But Indianapolis and Seattle both had a lot of success on the ground. And they had a couple long runs that throw off the numbers, but Kenneth Walker got loose on the first drive, 45 yard run, Zach Charbonneau, Charbonneau, Charbonneau, whatever you pronounce it.


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[Assistant] He got loose late in the game. Last week, Jonathan Taylor and Zach Moss both had some bigger holes. And I'm curious if teams have found some sort of blocking advantage to counteract how aggressive.


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[Assistant] So we have done this in the past, and I didn't actually put it in the rundown, so I apologize, but I'm gonna ask you guys right now.


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[Assistant] If we're gonna assign portions of the blame pie on this game.


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[Assistant] What percentage does the defense get? What percentage does PJ Walker get? Stefanski, and then anyone else you want to throw in there.


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[Assistant] Here's how the play-by-play of that final drive went, and you guys can tell me.


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[Assistant] Just bear with me for a sec. Let's say they run the ball, I don't get it, and they punt. I know Jason, you said Stefanski probably goes for it if it's fourth or one. Let's say it's another.


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[Assistant] Let's just say they punt and they get down to the 15 yard line, whatever it is. This is how the Seahawks with two timeouts then progressed. First play after the interception, a short seven yard pass to Tyler Lockett brings it to the 50 yard line. No huddle.


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[Assistant] A nine yard completion to DK Metcalf to Cleveland's 41. The very next play, Noah Phant 14 yards to the 27 yard line. So in three plays, they had just moved 43 yards down the field. Then it's the 12 man on the field penalty.


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[Assistant] And then it's a short touchdown pass, the little bubble screen to Jackson Smith and Jigba, who goes untouched into the end zone. Was there a hold on DK Metcalf? Maybe, iffy, whatever, they didn't call it. If you're a Browns fan, you can't even play. No, no, I'm just saying, they didn't call it, it is what it is. So in one, two, three, four, five, in six plays, they went 53 yards. They averaged damn near nine yards of play.


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[Assistant] It's funny you mentioned that Arizona has a running game. Uh, Steve, go to 10 real quick. You take 10 full.


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[Assistant] So he's officially out this week. He can't play, right? Yeah, he's on IR. That's a huge loss for Arizona and a big benefit here for the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] Real quick, and I asked this question and then we went into the defense, but real quick, let's just assign. Yes. Oh, sorry. And then we'll talk about the rest of the AFC North.


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[Assistant] DJ Walker and then if you want to add anyone else into that conversation, be my guest.


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[Assistant] They should be well below that. What if I told you the Browns would have their defense on the field up by four with a minute 19. Up by three. Up by three with a minute 19 to play.


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[Assistant] He's a good guy in the locker room like him and that's a solid NFL coach.


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[Assistant] You actually convinced me on the defense bowl. You know what? I'm going to switch, but before I listen to your answer, I would have given the biggest slice of pie to PJ Walker, but I do think the defense now probably deserves the most blame. I would go defense.


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[Assistant] Toblin spoke today, by the way, he said he needs to see something definitive in practice this week to allow Trebesky, uh, allow Pickett to play. They play Thursday Night Football.


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[Assistant] Coming up next for Cincinnati Bowl, they play Buffalo on Sunday Night Football.


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[Assistant] Then they play at home against Houston, who's scrappy. Not necessarily good, but scrappy. Then they hit the road and play Baltimore in Baltimore. That first game was in Cincinnati. Then they're home against the Steelers and then on the road.


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[Assistant] Oh wow. It is. And then they're home against Pittsburgh and then on the road, Sunday night football against Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] All tough games. Then they go on the road to Los Angeles to play the Chargers. Then they welcome the Rams. Then they hit the road. This is a tough way to end the season. At Jacksonville. At San Francisco. Home versus Miami. Home versus Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] Mike, you wanna start? Yea, I'll go first. Cincinnati scares the absolute living dog crap out of me. When Joe Burrow's cooking and we talk about, back to the very beginning of the show, today's show.


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[Assistant] If your quarterback goes down, you're kind of screwed. And when you have a guy who's in that top, top, top tier level.


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[Assistant] That we all hope Deshaun Watson can get back to everything else is easier. I trust Joe Burrow more than I trust Lamar Jackson. And with one game difference, or really it's one and a half, they're six and two, Cincinnati is four and three.


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[Assistant] Granted, I still like Cincinnati's chances. If I had to predict today, I would go Cincinnati 1, Baltimore 2, Cleveland 3, and Pittsburgh 4.


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[Assistant] The Browns defense. In terms of what? Total efficiency rating. Jake Trotter tweeted this out a second ago. I forget the exact metric, but the Browns no longer have the number one overall ranked defense in football. In ESPN's efficiency rankings, the Browns have dropped to number two. The Ravens have surpassed them as number one. They also lead the league in opponent points per game.


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[Assistant] They beat the Texans by 16. That was C.J. Stroud's first game. Right. D'Amico Ryan's first game. And they beat the Bengals. That game was close, but not as close as the final score they have indicated. Then they lost to Indianapolis in week three. Right. They beat the Browns 28-3 in week four.


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[Assistant] We're going to get to the last couple super chats here in one sec. Before we do that, I have a question and this kind of comes from a lot of what I've seen in the chat today. Earl's out there. So we've had to take a little closer look at that from back here between myself and Anthony.


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[Assistant] I think I know how you're all gonna answer, but I figure I'll ask the question anyway. And Earl brought this up on the post game show a tiny bit. Would you consider?


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[Assistant] Well, it's to Jason's point earlier, they threw on third and three, three plays before the third and three pass that got picked off and no one remembers it. But continue, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.


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[Assistant] Thank you for the level headed show and not screaming for Kevin to be fired. He's the only reason we can do anything on offense with all the injuries we've sustained. And Vine says...


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[Assistant] It's all on Haslam. Is he not watching the games? Charles T said, greatest defense in the world? Question mark. JSN touchdown was horrible. No offence. Horrible. Non-tackling. Couldn't stop the struggling Gino on the last drive. Fans say it's all on Stefanski and his fault. Let's make, uh, let me read this again.


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[Assistant] And last one comes from Vernell Jackson, being a 500 coach, shows us a bad play caller. And those are our Super Chats for today.


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[Assistant] Not nearly as volatile as last night's super chats on the post game show, which were all calling for Kevin's fancy head on a platter.


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[Assistant] And my point is, Danny DeVito went to the same high school as my dad, by the way. But my point is, what they have done with PJ Walker,


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[Assistant] A 2.9 QBR rating. A 2.9. That is what most third string quarterbacks in the NFL do when they thrust into action.


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[Assistant] Real quick, the Giants receiving stats. Their leading receiver was Darren Waller, one catch for four yards.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just want to tease what we got coming up the rest of the week here because we got a busy week here. We got Mike Florio making his UCSS debut tomorrow. That could get feisty, maybe.


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[Assistant] I would imagine that's gonna be a little contentious. I could imagine that getting a little contentious. But also...


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[Assistant] We'll be all over the trade deadline. We're busting out the Kool-Aid meter tomorrow to talk about some potential trade targets. Whether or not the Browns make a move and or don't make a move. What does that say about Andrew Barry in this front office and how they view the rest of this team? And also later in the week, we're doing a TV show where Bull's hosting his first ever hosting gig on a linear top 20 market TV show bull. So I hope you're not losing sleep over this.


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[Assistant] High school football playoff tickets have gotten outrageously expensive for no reason.


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[Assistant] You checked this morning? No. Oh, okay. But I'm sure he's still number one because Jared Goff played great this year too. Goff was the only guy close.


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[Assistant] Hey, listen, you brought it up on air anyway. I did not bring it up. On air you did. I brought it up off air. What I said was off air. Wait, I didn't hear what you said. Well, you alluded to my thing with the PT. You brought the PT thing up.


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[Assistant] You never let us down. Don't worry. I'll be able to bang on this plate. Anytime he plays a good tee, don't choke because he always does.


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[Assistant] He believes it, but I wanted to do this on the way in. I called one of my good friends.


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[Assistant] So I called my friend Ed, I said, I said, forget the money.


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[Assistant] He said, not even a question I would take Brock Purdy. That's what he said. That's his opinion. It's one person. I was tempted to go that route.


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[Assistant] Every single person on this show agreed there were no excuses this year for anybody. Now, no matter what happens, Deshaun Watson will be back. We know that. He has to be. But he gets no pass from me if he does not have a good season. Now, I still, I think he's gonna have a good season. I still believe that. But if I'm wrong,


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[Assistant] If he has a bad season, I give him no excuses. Now, what does that mean? It really means nothing.


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[Assistant] Because he's gonna be here. But Stefanski gets no pass. Berry, I don't care who gets hurt. Every team has injuries. You're right. I don't want to hear about nothing. If the Browns don't make the playoffs, and I think we all agreed on this, or at least we all, at the very least we all agreed that if the Browns are in the playoff hunt legitimately,


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[Assistant] But the thing is, the reality is that if Deshaun Watson has a bad season...


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[Assistant] 100% if Watson plays well this week, you know, especially dealing with an injury and plays well.


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[Assistant] By the way, Mike did start that by saying, here's a fact, and then he did not give a fact. He gave an opinion. For the record, Mike.


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[Assistant] That was a good clip. All your stats are on point. I mean, what can you say? There's no, the debate is what we're expecting to happen going forward. That's it. There's no debate.


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[Assistant] As to who's been the better quarterback since they both took the field last year, is there?


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[Assistant] I always felt, watching the 49ers with Jimmy G, that they were winning in spite of him.


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[Assistant] That he wasn't very good, and they were winning in spite of it.


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[Assistant] No, well, I think, I think, I'm not saying they're winning because of him, but they're not winning


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[Assistant] There's 20 quarterbacks you could put with him. You could put- What are you saying? Are you saying Birdie's- I'm not saying- I- I- First of all-


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[Assistant] I know you love running the ball, you don't have Nick Chubb, so far they have not been able to run effectively without him. Now, have they given enough of a try? Certainly not, we need to see more. However,


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[Assistant] If you look at their defense of some of the analytics on it.


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[Assistant] Well, that's a bad example, I mean, that's a good example, but overall, the analytics are right. More often than they're wrong. Okay!


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[Assistant] Or nobody's saying don't run the football, but it's going to be hard. Like, we don't even know if we have a run.


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[Assistant] Wow. You know why that was interesting? What I undersold there is fans, fans in general are extreme homers.


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[Assistant] But, also they're prisoner of the moment. And so those things are fighting against each other there, that's why.


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[Assistant] I think your point you're trying to make is the off the field stuff affects some fans, which is true. However, if Deshaun Watson had been playing like Houston Deshaun Watson his entire time, the whole fan base would be on board.


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[Assistant] They should be three or one. They should be three or one. By the way, all right, here's the question I asked off the air today. I want to see if anybody feels whatever. We'll see. You got your, your house is on the line. You're putting your house up. You have two options. If Deshaun Watson doesn't play this week, two options. Browns win the game or


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[Assistant] The 49ers pitcher shutout. What are you, what are you doing? Can I put my shed on the line?


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[Assistant] I actually believe it or not, if I had to, would bet on the Browns.


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[Assistant] Which is surprising to me. It opened up at four and a half, it's gone to five today.


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[Assistant] Uh, if Watson doesn't play, it's gonna probably be double digits.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, I want to, let's go through the timeline here a little bit of what's happened, because there's been some weird comments, right? Like, we get the word that he's, he has, he's not practicing. You spoke to him on Friday. He told you he was, you know, he was expecting to play. And then Sunday he can't in the morning.


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[Assistant] Stefanski on whatever that was, I think it was Monday, said, hey, he was cleared by the doctors, he didn't play, which seemed like a weird thing for him to say. And then later in the week, Barry cleared it up.


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[Assistant] But then he went on to say, oh yeaah, I expect, uh, watching the play next week. Have you been surprised by any of these comments?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, uh, so far the Elijah Moore thing looks like a bust. It's too early to give up on it. People were going bananas for him. Thousand yards, all kinds of crazy. Right out the... But, to me, the biggest thing, Mary Kay, is a left tackle. It's unfortunate...


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[Assistant] But I think we realize now Jed Wills is not really good at football. He might be good at another sport and maybe he could play that. But unfortunately he's not good at football. At least that's how I see it. Curling.


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[Assistant] No, no, what she said was- They're two and two. The schedules- I- I- Mary Kay, I know they go on the road, but like everybody- I feel like everybody's so doom and gloom right now.


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[Assistant] The Browns lost the Steeler game because of a turnover. Sure. Had nothing to do with Nick Chubb. Nope. Okay? No. Then they won and played a good offensive game against Tennessee. Last week they had a slappy playing quarterback. What are you gonna do?


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[Assistant] You don't win because of running backs. We know this. I love Nick Chubb. He's great. They brought Deshaun Watson in.


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[Assistant] But he's a running back! I can survive! It's okay! Let's go! I don't wanna hear it!


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[Assistant] We predicted 5,000 yards for Deshaun Watson. We keep it moving. And I'll tell ya, Jamar Chase got hurt last year, did he not? Yea, you guys saw how T Higgins did. The Bengals kept winning. They kept winning. That's it.


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[Assistant] Well, you can figure out that you can't throw a ball without throwing a ball. I've done that many times. Is there any chance he hasn't actually thrown a ball in the last three weeks?


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[Assistant] 100% believe in this defense, do you? Yes. Okay, that's number one. The Sean Watson, again, I get it, we gotta see him back on the field. The last time he saw him play, he played the best game he's played as a Brown. Fact. Okay? Yep. Those two things give me optimism. Okay.


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[Assistant] I think, I think overall, after this game, the schedule is pretty favorable for the Browns. They're not playing a lot, they're not playing the Bills, they're not playing the Chiefs, they're not playing the Dolphins, you know, you're not playing the Eagles.


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[Assistant] And he's a very knowledgeable guy. Alright, he's been in the business a long time. He said to me that this is just a...


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[Assistant] With a bruise, whether it's a rotator cuff or whatever, it's just people heal differently. Okay. So you're not necessarily going to set it back. If he feels okay to play, then


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[Assistant] Jetson was worse. I have the Browns as the second team right now behind only the Chargers. Wow, really? I think I, I do. I'm right there with him. I think the Rams and Texans are feisty, but they're not better than the Browns right now.


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[Assistant] Because I'm doing this Sunday podcast, where I talk about all the games, I'm trying to soak in as many, as much as possible. Plus, for my big fantasy league, I follow my key players, and I have the Rams running back in my big fantasy league. So, I've watched a lot of them, and I think they're an interesting team.


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[Assistant] The browns, I think the browns are better. I think only the chargers are better at the moment.


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[Assistant] But this last game he didn't do anything. They didn't get in the end zone. They kept settling. They lost because they were kicking field goals. They got one touchdown in the game.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what's funny, the secondaries played pretty well. They scare me. But uhm, I'm a little concerned about their interior defensive line. I think DJ Reader might be slipping. You think? Wow. They have not stopped the run in the middle. Because Hubbard and Hub...


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[Assistant] Would the Browns be an underdog to any of these teams? They would be to the Chargers, I think. Slight, you know, small underdog.


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[Assistant] Football players play injured. If he feels like he can play. Nobody's 100%. The Sean Watson's not gonna be 100% of the season. And neither is Joe Burrow, and neither is anybody else. Let's go. If he can play, he should play. It's up to him.


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[Assistant] If he can throw 20 yards, but it feels sore while he's doing it, then he's, again, I'm not saying he should, I'm not, I can't, I don't feel what he's feeling, right? The Sean Watts has got to make the decision for himself, but if he feels like he's ready to go, then I'm playing him.


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[Assistant] Tyvis, here's the thing I think you guys are ignoring. If it's an injury that...


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[Assistant] You're more likely to get hurt again by playing with, then you consider something like that. If it's an injury that, hey, it's a bruise,


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[Assistant] There's only two things that matter. There's only two things that matter.


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[Assistant] Now, top tier candidates are often not good candidates, so maybe you'll get lucky.


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[Assistant] Let's go! I don't know where we're going. I don't know what we're doing.


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[Assistant] Later, I heard Joe Thomas today in an interview say something fascinating about Kyle Shanahan.


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[Assistant] You knew nobody. They went to Cedar Point for their honeymoon, by the way.


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[Assistant] How many, uh, how many drinks did you have at this wedding Mike?


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[Assistant] Have we been laughing for the last five minutes? No, listen, it was great content. So who cares? That you're absolutely right. If someone's feelings got trampled in the process, be damned. Mike loves entertainment. His girlfriend's not gonna care.


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[Assistant] Not everything is on air father. Not everything is on air father. That was on air father.


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[Assistant] Tell me the truth. Are you bothered by anything I said? Hunter, be honest. Me, myself.


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[Assistant] That's not true. First of all, I never really said to break up with your girlfriend. I was joking with Anthony that he should break up because he has to schlep to Columbus all the time. Anything you want to pull out of the air on Anthony?


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[Assistant] Muddled AFC North. Although the Ravens are still the favorites.


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[Assistant] They gut stuff out, Bull. They did it yesterday. They gut- THE RAVENS!


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[Assistant] The crown is on their head. Did any of you guys watch much of the Bengals-Cardinals game yesterday? On and off, yes. Bits and pieces. No, I was at baseball camp. I watched pretty much the whole thing. Sure, as I would expect.


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[Assistant] They play, obviously they played a lot better. Yeah. And Burrow.


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[Assistant] For the first four weeks, Burrow looked like 50% Joe Burrow. Right. Yesterday, he looked like 90%. He still wasn't perfect. You mean health-wise with the leg? Yea. He still wasn't perfect. He still missed on a couple of throws. Did he run much? He had a co-


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[Assistant] They are still, they still have problems. Let me tell you, they're not, they're a floor team. First of all, their offensive line is still a problem.


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[Assistant] They spent a ton of money on Orlando Brown Jr. He's been lousy so far this year. I don't, I, you know, I thought, I mean he's better than what they had at left tackle, Jonah Williams, who's now playing right tackle, but he's not playing particularly well. Again, better than Jed Wills, but he's not really playing well. And defensively,


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[Assistant] You look at the final score and you see 20 and you'd be like, well, that's a pretty good job. Well, first of all, it's the Cardinals. Josh Dobbs is not a starting NFL quarterback. I know he's been okay. He's not a starting NFL quarterback. Number two, a big thing that happened in this game that unless you were watching, you wouldn't know. James Connor, the former Steeler running back,


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[Assistant] He got hurt at the end of the first, right at the end of the first half. He was killing the Bengals between the tackles. Killing them.


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[Assistant] I think he had six carries for 40 something yards. And when he got hurt, the Cardinals couldn't run between the tackles anymore. That was it. And then Dobbs became one dimensional and they can't win that way. So they're up. But the Bengals defense has problems. I don't know if it's the young guys that have taken over in the secondary from the veteran safeties.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's maybe DJ Reader kind of slipping in the middle of that D line. Doesn't that sometimes because there's so much communication involved, doesn't that sometimes when you insert a new piece take a couple of weeks? It could and there's a lot of talent on that side of the ball, but they're not playing well. So while I would agree,


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[Assistant] The Bengals have the most upside, or most proven upside of the four teams.


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[Assistant] I'm not convinced the Bengals are right yet. Good, I hope you're right and I'm wrong. And keep in mind, listen to the Bengals' schedule, alright?


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[Assistant] The next four weeks. They got Seattle at home. That's a tough game. Sure. Then a bye.


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[Assistant] No, it's Cincinnati. Then a bye, then back to back weeks. I can't remember which is the home, which is the road, but they're playing San Francisco and Buffalo back to back weeks.


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[Assistant] Then they play Houston and then they play Baltimore. So they, they got a stretch of games that are tough. Now I always say when you're a good team, you don't care what you're playing. We'll find out what they are. I'm not convinced they're all the way back or that they're that much better if better at all than any of the other teams. I think they're close.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if the Browns lose to the Niners or the Bengals beat the Seahawks, the Browns will be in last place, at least through week six.


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[Assistant] That's fair. But again, on the other hand, like, I really believe the Browns can win this division and when we talk about making a trade, I think the Browns need to remain aggressive because I think in the end, this division is very much up for grabs. If you look in Vegas, there's only two divisions where the favorite to win is not minus money.


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[Assistant] You know, minus money means you're a pretty big favorite, right? Yep. The only two divisions where there's not a team with minus money is this and the NFC South.


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[Assistant] That's it. Which means there's no clear favorite. Like the difference between the Ravens that I saw this morning and the Steelers and Bengals who are tied for third is not much. Like that could change week to week. It's a total problem.


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[Assistant] But here's the bottom line, G. None of the coaches in this division, in terms of offense, I know that the Steelers and Ravens have great head coaches.


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[Assistant] But in terms of offense, there's no genius in this division. Well, the Bengals do scare me offensively. But just cause they have the most talent, not cause Zach Taylor's that great offensive.


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[Assistant] Took a dirt path. But even the second drive, they marched down again, got stopped in the red zone field goal, and then they couldn't move the ball. That was it. That was it. I think they're throwing the ball too much. They are clearly a running team.


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[Assistant] Sure, he needs it. He hasn't practiced since, really before.


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[Assistant] Miles Garrett got hurt in that game and he's practicing today.


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[Assistant] I'm a little concerned, bro. I think you all gotta be concerned to a degree. If he practices Wednesday as a normal practice, then the concern, I think, goes away.


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[Assistant] The Browns, the Browns have no shot to win this game without Watson, obviously. I mean, it's, the Browns are going to be, the spread right now is four and a half Niners.


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[Assistant] You're probably right. I mean, it's good. There's no shot.


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[Assistant] They're gonna have to play a flawless game. It will have to be their best game of the year. Yes.


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[Assistant] I think it could. I think it could. I think it's the most impactful move they can make.


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[Assistant] It's a little bit of a game of chicken. There's not many guys that are better, Jason. I mean, Trent Brown, see I would be targeting Trent Brown of the Patriots.


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[Assistant] They're finished. They're finished and he's a free agent at the end of the year. So I said a second round pick last week, Chris Roslund was insane. I, I, but whatever, then you give him a third round pick for him. They might be looking to just get rid of them because they're, they're terrible and, but he's a great player.


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[Assistant] I think he's, I think he's top five in PFF. He's been a great player. He's right now through five weeks, he's a second ranked tackle on Pro Football Focus. Garrett Bowles is tied for 16th.


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[Assistant] How many second round picks have the Browns had for 12 years? That's a bigger discussion.


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[Assistant] Like, I guess Bulls, this may be some guy, but I would go, Trent Brown, there's nobody better. The guys that are better are all on good teams, so they're not getting traded.


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[Assistant] That's your pick! Yeah, I hear you. I just think in the end, I-I-I'm going to get-I'm going to get-


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[Assistant] You have to get a left tackle. I think it's an emergency situation right now. Jedrick Wills is a disaster. And he is screwing up the entire offense. Uh, Troy Brown is fifth


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[Assistant] Is ranked fifth in the NFL PFF against the pass, in the pass and fourth in the run. I mean, top five in both.


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[Assistant] Andrew Berry's job is on the line. Oh, I think everybody's in.


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[Assistant] If the, if the Browns finish under 500, everybody's gone. Deservedly so. Except for J-Dub.


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[Assistant] Right. So if that's true, now we don't know for sure that's true, but if it's true that the Browns called the Broncos, well they're already getting aggressive.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he has been a terrible GM for a number of years now.


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[Assistant] Hey, I've said it for years. I'll never, I'll always take the great quarterback over the great coach.


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[Assistant] Wait, so you're saying that I should not say Colin Coward's a fraud. Yes, I am. He's the most overrated person in the business. I shouldn't say that.


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[Assistant] G was not on his radio edition of The Barber Shop. What happened? Oh, you went away, right? You went to... He was in Canada.


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[Assistant] So Earl filled in hosting on the barbershop, right, on the radio? How'd it go, Earl?


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[Assistant] Alright, well bad job out of the program, director of 92.3 The Fan. Did you think?


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[Assistant] Uh, and if you can't do that, you can't stop them. So, Miami, while not quite as good as San Francisco defensively, they're better offensively. As good as San Francisco is offensively, Miami's better.


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[Assistant] No, I don't agree with that because last year their offense was the best in football. I don't think it's Tyree Gill. Did they miss him this year?


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[Assistant] Their defense looks really good. I know, you know, it wasn't as good yesterday, but what was the final score of that game now? I can't remember. Which one? The Chiefs Chiefs. They won by seven.


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[Assistant] Right, they held on. Right, there was a weird call at the end of that game against the Vikings. But anyway. Are we ready to talk about maybe the offensive coordinator had more to do there with the offense than we thought? I think we gotta, the Chiefs are slow starters. They've been slow starters every year. They got off to a bad start last year offensively.


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[Assistant] Remember, Kelsey missed a game, and then sprained his ankle yesterday and still played. So, he hasn't been 100% yet. They do need Kelsey, there's no doubt. If Kelsey's not right, that's a problem.


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[Assistant] And they know that too. If the playoff started today, I'd still take the Chiefs and the AFC. I would too.


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[Assistant] Looking the best in October is meaningless. Absolutely. Who's the best when it happens?


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[Assistant] Lima asked him, what is it about, cause Kyle Shanahan obviously was here.


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[Assistant] But anyway, he said what makes Kyle Shanahan different?


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[Assistant] Why is he seen, along with Mike McDaniel, who worked under Kyle Shanahan, why do those guys seem to be at this kind of different level in terms of calling offense?


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[Assistant] And this is what, uh, Joe Thomas said, I didn't know this, and this is, was so obvious once you knew this. He said most offensive coordinators


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[Assistant] Come from the skill position background. Like they were quarterbacks or they've been quarterback coaches and they come out of that vein. And they're clueless as to the offensive line.


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[Assistant] So on a lot of teams, you have the head coach or the offensive coordinator is basically the passing game coordinator and then when you need a run play, he'll call over to the offensive line coach and say, well, what do we run here? You know what I mean? Basically the offensive line coach is running the running game.


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[Assistant] It's not going to be perfectly insane. You can't be insane because it's two minds. Kyle Shanahan.


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[Assistant] I didn't think that a lot of coaches didn't really know the offensive line. I assumed if you were an offensive coordinator, you knew the offense inside and out. Apparently that's not the case. And that is fascinating and that's what gives him and Mike McDaniel who learned under him these big edges.


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[Assistant] I don't know how many. Yeah, it was fascinating. Who was he? He was the OC under Hugh, right? No. No, before that. Oh, Patton, right.


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[Assistant] They should have fired everybody else and made him the coach. Well, guess what?


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[Assistant] I heard, maybe to take you off the, because I heard, not from you, so I'm not using, stealing your sources, but I heard from someone reliable that basically outside of Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan hated everybody else in the Browns organization.


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[Assistant] What's funny is- We keep supporting it because we love this team. What's funny is, I remember when Haslam bought the team, I was- we were all excited at the time. I was. Because the last owner sucked.


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[Assistant] Last thing before we get to Baker. Okay. Isn't it funny that the night, like, obviously John Lynch was basically hired by Shanahan to be the GM of the night. John Lynch is a genius by the way. They worked together, right, hand in hand. They made one of the worst trades we've seen in modern years. Yes.


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[Assistant] How many games do you guys think Trey Lance has started in the NFL? Nine? I would say six or seven.


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[Assistant] Is anybody, Pat McAvee says we're all confused. Is anybody actually confused? Besides Pat McAvee? I still have questions.


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[Assistant] No, I think most people that cover football realize you have to have a top quarterback to win. Baker was clearly not a top quarterback. And so the Browns...


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[Assistant] But Tim Tebow wasn't any good. He was only polarizing because he was popular. He couldn't play in the NFL.


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[Assistant] No, I've insisted that Baker's not a top 20 starter, right? Okay, if you're in the bottom 12, you're not any good by your own standard. Well, there's a big difference between Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow's not an NFL quarterback. Baker Mayfield is, in my opinion, a lower to your starting quarterback. Right. And you can't win with that guy. That's a big difference between Tim Tebow, who's not an NFL quarterback.


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[Assistant] Right. But we, the question was about, the question about Baker though, circling back to that. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But Jay, have you ever seen a player smell themselves more without accomplishing, uh, while accomplishing a little? Oh yes, absolutely.


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[Assistant] I don't think we should panic until Wednesday. If Wednesday he doesn't practice, then it's a big problem.


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[Assistant] We'll get him back in. I love that Johnny is a self proclaimed nerd.


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[Assistant] We need to, I like, you know, I know some people hate analytics, but I like nerds.


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[Assistant] Not once. Any of you guys? Not once. Gee Bush, I feel like you might have.


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[Assistant] And we have Johnny Stan. Johnny! There he is. This is the, did you hear our discussion just now? I did not. I missed it. Okay. See if you can guess just by looking at us.


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[Assistant] There's two of us on the panel that have played Dungeons & Dragons, and there's two of us that have never played Dungeons & Dragons. You gotta guess who has and who hasn't.


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[Assistant] When two for four. Two for four, that's not bad. You were perfect. I have played. You were right about G. I have played. I haven't played him. I played when I was like 10. It was just coming to play.


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[Assistant] It was fun, I liked playing it when I was a kid. Did you, Johnny, do you, uh, do you, you don't still live in the Cleveland area, do you?


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[Assistant] My son is gonna be in a show in December. It was written by the person that's putting on the show. It's called Ye Olde, uh, Going Medieval. Anyway, the basis of the show, and my son is one of the three main characters in the show, there are three D&D players.


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[Assistant] And so the whole thing's been, so I, I thought you would appreciate that and maybe go if you were living in the area, but we're not gonna ask you to fly in from California, but what is it, what is it that has captured you about this game? Like had, were you, was this your, I mean as a kid were you obsessed with it? Or did you become more of into it as an adult?


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[Assistant] Are you excited? By the way, sorry to cut you off. Uh, you mentioned Stranger Things, so I just had to follow up. Are you excited about the final season?


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[Assistant] Johnny, is there, is there a level of, I don't know, fear is the right word or maybe anxiety when you're the long snapper that you gotta get over because you can't really look at the guy that's about to hit you on the defense. Is that, is that a mental hurdle to overcome when playing that position?


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[Assistant] Johnny, what was your, the guy was your teammate, you were in the running back room with him. When you saw Nick Chubb's injury, I don't know if you were watching the game live at the time, what was your reaction?


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[Assistant] After that 2020 season when Baker played very well, second half of the year.


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[Assistant] Real quick before we go to Anthony, thumbs up or thumbs down on the first episode of Loki. I'm assuming you've watched it. Season 2.


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[Assistant] Listen, let me talk about G. Bush for a minute. He is an extreme guy. So when things are going well for the Browns, he thinks they're the best team in football. Who's the new personality? When things are going bad for the Browns, he thinks they're the worst team in football.


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[Assistant] Because yeaah, they had to win by one in a lot of these games.


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[Assistant] Jay Crawford Adam the Bull Garrett Bush


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[Assistant] The Browns hadn't gone to the playoffs in a while before 1-31 though.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Go Bucs. That's where you win. The Bucs don't have a track record of good quarterbacks in the NFL.


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[Assistant] By the way, did you guys know that he managed Michael Jordan? Yes.


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[Assistant] I think this is something you're going to deal with the rest of the year. And I said it before, uhm, a couple weeks ago, I think we're going to be dealing with this on and off from, you know, week to week. Uhm, he can come out and look great in this game, and then come out against Baltimore and get hit, and it can set him back all the way to ground zero.


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[Assistant] That's why I think I wouldn't even, I would disagree with you and say, no, it wasn't unfounded. You are correct.


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[Assistant] Not get hit the rest of the season. It's going to happen. Every week there's quarterbacks that get hit and you're like, wow, he got up from that.


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[Assistant] Even PJ Walker. Last week took a couple shots. Right, last week, so for me...


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[Assistant] This is always gonna be right below. It's just that thing like, you know, when you, have you ever tried not to throw up?


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[Assistant] But it's already in your esophagus right here and it just keeps wanting to come up.


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[Assistant] It's just there until you give it up. This is the same thing with Deshaun Watson. It's gonna be all, it's already there. You might as well just go ahead and give it up.


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[Assistant] You don't even know who this is. I'm stealing it. I'm just showing you. This is work-sided.


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[Assistant] Shout out to my man Quincy, I watched your video last night when I was rolling around, I couldn't sleep very much. And uh, I'm gonna say this.


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[Assistant] This is really unconventional, but, uh, I thought, I was like, listen, this is a dope concept. I'll go ahead and throw this out there. I believe, like, McNuggets.


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[Assistant] You can't find out whether or not this man is ready to go based on them practice throws. That practice stuff don't happen.


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[Assistant] What I would do, and I stole it, and we're excited. I completely stole this from somebody else's blog, so go ahead and take credit for it, Quizzy. He said, when I was watching, he was like, yo, I would put him through a pro dead.


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[Assistant] I would put him just like regular college quarterbacks and pro days.


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[Assistant] Anthony Richardson hit the ceiling. Step up and step back and get over it and go through the tire. Listen, them workouts, go ahead. They're legit. They're legit. Put him through that. If he can throw the football at a pro day workout to show arm talent, arm strength, arm ability, he can play.


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[Assistant] But guess what? If he can't only make it through half of that and his arm is fatigued, his arm is tired, he can't throw deep outs, you can't do that, well guess what? You can't play.


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[Assistant] And I think that's a big blow to only his psyche, but the team's psyche. Like, if he has to be taken out after three or four throws after interception, I mean, what, what type of damage does that do to his mental psyche and the rest of the team when they see they're like, bro, he ain't ready to play.


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[Assistant] And you know, I, and I don't know if I even agree with it, like, if he can't play, I think it's the fancy Zardy coming out instead of PJ Walker's gonna play. And I've kind of flipped on this.


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[Assistant] I've kind of moved to say, if, if, if, if.


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[Assistant] You know, Deshaun Watson can't play. And you got DTR.


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[Assistant] Why are you not playing DTR? Like, there seems no, like there's no upside to playing PJ Walker. When you, you've already announced that this guy was going to be your backup, his ceiling is higher than PJ Walker. You know what PJ Walker is.


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[Assistant] Why would you not be behind the scenes working on getting DTR up to Proger, up to snuff, up to, up to, you know, to make sure that he's ready to play? And I'm not sure that I agree with, if he doesn't play, why is PJ Walker here? I agree.


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[Assistant] Man, you dropping, see, you dropping gems right now, bro.


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[Assistant] I see where you're going at. There's, there's not clean pockets like that. Very rarely. Like, like, you're not gonna have a clean pocket. You gotta drop down three quarters. You know, you got to, you may jump up. Just go look at Patrick Mahomes. Like, the way he, and then you gotta find, you know, throwing windows. Guys got their hands up.


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[Assistant] You gotta throw around guys, throw through guys, find a window to get the ball where you need to go. And the thing about playing quarterback is...


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[Assistant] He's thrown off instincts, and he's thrown so many times it's ingrained in his, in his body. So when you're throwing a ball and your motion is your motion, that's why a lot of times we'll say we're going to change his quarterback motion so that he's more efficient and he gets the ball out quicker. It usually doesn't work.


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[Assistant] Because they've been throwing that way forever. That's how you play. That's how he is. So now you're throwing the ball, and instead of being like, oh boy, I'm just gonna let this thing rip.


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[Assistant] You're sitting there thinking like, oh I know I can't put my arm in this position, this position or this position. So I'm gonna have to throw. And now you're thinking. And that doesn't help. And now you can't get the strength and the velocity on the ball because you're not throwing it accurately the way you used to throw it. So that's a very good point.


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[Assistant] He's, just bring me a picture. He's rolling out of the pocket, which he likes to extend plays. He could be even been playing well. Now you're playing well or I'm feeling good. Now you're rolling out. You're rolling out the pocket. You're looking to extend the play. He's rolling to his right. He throws the football. Guess what?


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[Assistant] Somebody hits him from the backside, doesn't know he's coming, and they land on him with all their weight.


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[Assistant] And it's usually a traditional collarbone injury where they, you know, you break your collarbone because the quarterback landed with all his weight on that shoulder.


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[Assistant] All you need is one of those, and that's season.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna let you, there ain't no coming back from that. All of your way, all of his way, driving you into the ground, that play happens all the time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right, right. Who's the kid, uhm, that used to play for Philadelphia that couldn't shoot no more all of a sudden? Ben Simmons? No, the other one.


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[Assistant] Point guard. Oh, Markel Foltz. So Markel Foltz, right? Number one overall pick.


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[Assistant] This guy got to the league and was like, yeaah, I got some rare disease where I can't shoot anymore.


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[Assistant] So we've seen athletes completely break down in mechanics and not be able to do certain things. Ben Simmons can't shoot no more. We've seen it before with people short game and when it talks about golf.


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[Assistant] So when you see, and a lot of that is psychological. And when you keep bringing somebody back, and here's the thing about Deshaun Watson, he does not have a good enough success banked in his memory bank. I'm a big person, I'm a big person on


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[Assistant] Banking successes, right? Because when you're playing bad, you can always revert back and remember, come on, it can't be that bad. I remember how to do this. I just had success doing A, B, and C. He's so far removed from consistent good play that if you put him out there, he's like, is this the new new? Is this what it is?


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[Assistant] And I don't think Sylvester should treat it as a game time decision. I think he should be, if you're not ready to go on Wednesday, you're not getting what you need to get between Wednesday and Sunday. So you might as well just say he ain't playing this week.


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[Assistant] It seems like the decision should come down today. I hope so. I hope so. No one does that. Stop. No one does that. That doesn't do anything.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm not trying to, Miles Garner is about to be chasing him around tackling no. That way, when we play next week, it's kind of like saying, Arizona is like the same thing we say for the Ravens. Like, no, I'm not bringing him back, like, just to be 50%.


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[Assistant] And for a quarterback who runs around a lot, do you want him being rusty, having played all the way into the football?


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[Assistant] I think if you look at it, I'm gonna tell him, look, you're gonna get all the days off you can afford. If you ain't allowed to be out there or you actually need to be activated by Wednesday.


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[Assistant] Ninety-four highlights. You didn't tell me you was getting screen game like that.


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[Assistant] Right? Crazy. I was watching it. I'm like, I'm watching the season. I'm like, this guy Leroy.


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[Assistant] Oh, Leroy, I would caution Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Uhm, about the Cleveland Browns identity. The frustrating part about it is, even though they don't have a Deshaun Watson,


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[Assistant] Even though they don't have the franchise quarterback or Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] You know what the frustrating part in our world is, is the fact that you can have experts who've done it, dedicated their whole life to it, played in it, had the same injury, but yet and still there are people


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[Assistant] That are in your fanbase that believe, they'll disregard all that information. We just, we brought you two professionals.


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[Assistant] That, and they're not, they're not, uh, Cincinnati Bengals or they're not the key chiefs. We brought you two guys that you cheer for. That bleed brown. That bleed brown and orange. That told you what the injury is, but yet and still you believe that your own opinion is on the same par as theirs. Why would you not just-


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[Assistant] Misinformation. And then Browns gave misinformation at the beginning of this injury, which now opened the floodgates up to any idiot that wants to say, oh, I think he's just not playing because of the money.


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[Assistant] And, and, and you plugged in. You could have went and talked to him. Mmhm. Eh, no, that's the thing. You, you, you, you wanted a ring of honor dudes, right? I don't know if he's in it or what, but he's, he's a well-known guy. He's a proud legend. Yeah. He could get, he could get his contact information and talk to him.


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[Assistant] So for me, I just think that plays a huge role in how all this thing is swirling and just keep going. And it's like, man, and when I say this don't happen to other teams, like think about it. The Joe Burrow thing, it was big, right?


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[Assistant] That's alternative motive. There's a lot of people that if you didn't like six or seven things with Deshaun Watson that happened in the past, we all know what they are. This is just a legal opportunity. Right. It's a way to put a department.


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[Assistant] Well, no, I think he's come to, uh, it's, you know, he's come back around. I think when Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry said what they said, it put extra, uh, necessary pressure on him to jump back in quicker.


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[Assistant] I tripped. I take responsibility for it. I shouldn't have been out there. And you've heard Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry kinda say the same thing about them throwing timetables around early on when they necessarily didn't know.


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[Assistant] Oh, they're gonna get two. You get me two. Like, you know, this is a game that you get nice on. This is one of them games where you'd be like, oh, I'm patting my stats. If you're Miles Garrett, you're like, look. It's a D-P-O-Y game. That's right. You need about five.


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[Assistant] Well, we already have an issue. That's the way the, that's the way the human mind distorts. Like, it's like the Mandela effect. Like, we feel like, oh man, he threw for four, no, he actually never threw for that many yards. You just made yourself feel better about a terrible situation by pointing out the good things. Yeah, that's right.


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[Assistant] I ain't catching no ball. Like what you mean? You don't think so? No. Listen, you know how long it takes to get in? This is like the, this is like the unemployment line. Gee, he's right. I'll be flip flopping. I'm going with Gee. You ever get in a line for something free and you be like, dang, it's this many people. You're like, it ain't worth it.


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[Assistant] You know how before back Cedric Tillman is in line to get a catch? He's, he has, Bell, David Bell got to get in line. We have not seen as, as, as Marquise Goodwin caught a ball yet besides the end of the round.


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[Assistant] He does the right things. He doesn't have misassignments. Listen, he catches them when he throws it to him. He's a good blocker. He's a good blocker. So I can't, they traded him for an Uncrustable. They, I don't know. An Uncrustable, yea. And a Sail Uncrustable. Yeaah, those are the worst.


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[Assistant] Unless you countin' Hail Mary back shoulders and slants, there's no other routes that we runnin' or we complete. Have you seen any other route completed? I have.


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[Assistant] It's impossible for him to have zero. He has one in his last 22. Bull's pouring the gravy on these dudes right now. This is, this is a bad 22.


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[Assistant] Even I'd say 10. Because, because they don't, if they're in the red zone, they're not gonna throw the ball. Like, most of our, most of our, my wife laughs hysterically.


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[Assistant] Because she doesn't understand the game that much, but every time that the Cleveland Browns move the ball on pass interference calls, she hysterically laughs like,


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[Assistant] Can we get that, can we get that board, uh, like Kenny and uh, Shaq got, they just ran to the board and you just touched it. Yea listen, I already had this up here.


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[Assistant] Kill em. I want to see, listen, I want to see how many times, I want to see how many Karis Kareem hunt gets. You know, it's the fancy, don't never talk back to nobody except for the low, low, low lives, right? The lowlings, like he feels like, Miles Garry be calling people out. Ah, Deshaun Watson be calling people out.


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[Assistant] Nothing. Amari Cooper went over to P.J. Walker, he's like, you better throw me this ball on this play. And it was caught on tape. And he was like, ahhh, it's DeVis, it's Amari Cooper.


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[Assistant] I trusted what he saw, but Green Hut?


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[Assistant] I woulda, I woulda, because here's the thing. Or nine, over nine maybe.


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[Assistant] The browns seem to give up a lot of garbage points. Like, they're not like, I can see them.


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[Assistant] Throwing a ball and they up 21 to 6 and they let them dudes just walk down the field and get a touchdown or something like that.


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[Assistant] This one scares me, uh, the most because I think there's garbage time potential for a late touchdown here that'll eclipse 14, but this defense should be able to completely shut down the Arizona offense. There's not a union on the field that favors Arizona in this matchup, and with a rookie quarterback, I don't see it happening. You're right, late, late touchdown.


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[Assistant] Betting, betting on the NFL. Such a crapshoot. Such a crapshoot. Like it's, like it's worse than blackjack. They be like 2, 3, 6, 5, ace, ace, 21 you lose. You're like what? I was, I stood on a 20.


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[Assistant] Let me look at these. You got one that's a 10, one that's a 9. One thing I can give you is that PJ Walker, uhm, he does a lot of Limp Bizkit. Code word, give it away.


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[Assistant] Give it away, give it away, give it away now. He's giving it away every week and Coach Stefanski is looking around like I can't have this. I like the BS meter on both of you guys because he's visibly shaken in his heart of hearts. He's visibly frustrated because he feels like


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[Assistant] I could be winning these games. I could have Deshaun Watson. We could be running around. We could be 6-1 right now, but I got these bums at quarterback and I can't do anything.


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[Assistant] So yes, I agree with those guys. I think we'll split the difference between them. A nine BSC meter and I'll take both of them. They're true factual.


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[Assistant] And you know it's the most frustrating part that a lot of people, we talk about, you know, how your mind plays tricks on you. When we get to next year...


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[Assistant] You're not even gonna count this as a year of Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] You got another, even if they make the playoffs, right?


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[Assistant] And you guys are right, this is very low because it's probably one of the reasons they didn't bring in a veteran quarterback. Cause what happens is, say they dig, say in the world they did go get another quarterback. You know in our minds, we counting down to when he gonna play.


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[Assistant] We gon' be like, well, you got this guy for a reason. Why would you be playing PJ Walker? So, I think they kinda made a decision, okay, well at least we know what we got in these two guys. And, this is a bad thing though. Watch this.


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[Assistant] Say they do go out and get a quarterback and they trade for him, right?


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[Assistant] And it's, and he's good. Say they dig it at Jacobi Brousset. What if Jacobi Brousset plays so well?


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[Assistant] That he leads them, they get into the playoffs, it's seamless. Now you come back next year and like we said, it's three whole years. Yeah, I don't think it would matter. I don't think that's not a


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[Assistant] He could, I mean he could, I like both the scores. He could have flip-flopped on it a little bit, but he said today, which really gave him...


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[Assistant] A lot of locking ability. So, like, right. That's true. Now, people would have said, I ain't making no decisions until Sunday. Right. Then you'd have more with you.


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[Assistant] B-by the way, remember when LeBron first came back to Cleveland? And uh, he had, like, he was kinda hurt.


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[Assistant] And he just went to like Europe and got this like platelet stuff. Kobe did the same thing.


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[Assistant] And LeBron was real skinny, he came back and was like 245, 250 again, like, and in like nine days, I said, bro, I don't know what kind of platelet release plasma they're giving you, but we need to get everybody on that program.


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[Assistant] Maybe try to keep season ticket holders involved. Yeaah, who knows. Ah, Jeff fans go anyway, but.


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[Assistant] I gotta take you off camera because you had one air at it. I got, listen, I got, I got the most important question for Aditi. I have not done this in a while. So. Oh my.


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[Assistant] See, that's why that question is so devastating, especially if you're big. It's tough.


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[Assistant] Now you know, now you know, now you know you can't take baths, grown man should not be taking no baths. I don't take a bath. Okay cool, I was just checking. Never.


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[Assistant] You know, Dee Dee, I threw this out a little bit, but I didn't really pull this theory together. I'll throw it out, see what you think. I think a lot of the angst comes from Browns fans and a lot of people.


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[Assistant] Because it's not just the injury. I think people, uhm, are even talking about this year going into next year. Even if Deshaun Watson comes back and he plays some games and he plays okay this year, people are still going to go into next year still having the question that they've had since Jump Street.


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[Assistant] What I'm saying is, is people, it's like having a Christmas present and they keep telling you every month.


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[Assistant] Listen, we got the DPJ move. Another guy we haven't seen since the first part of the season is DTR.


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[Assistant] I, I said that, hey, if Deshaun Watson, they may use P.J. Walker in this game, Kevin Stefanski has really told us that. Uhm, but if I was them, at some point, I might go back to DTR. What are your thoughts on, on him possibly being ready to play if P.J. Walker is not doing the job?


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[Assistant] He reminded me, but I brought it up originally. But you know, they'd be forgetting. Yeah. Cool. A mafia. Just the race. That's funny. That never happened.


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[Assistant] It looks like that picture looks like somebody being like, uh, put it back up. Yeah, put that back. We're going to roast them. That looks like somebody told him they was late. No, you know what? Not late here.


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[Assistant] Uh, welcome to the program. Busy day. Uh, we're gonna actually put a bow on week six, some of the things that we didn't get to talk about that we saw that, uh, was brought to our attention from all the action. We'll, uh, we'll wrap that. Also,


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[Assistant] I can't wait for this. Mikey McNuggets went into the trade laboratory.


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[Assistant] And he has six trades that he says we absolutely must consider.


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[Assistant] He said five of them are legit, one of them is a fairy tale.


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[Assistant] I can't wait. It's gonna be fun. Cause look, this team is in a position where they've got one of the tenets, one of the tent poles to winning a Super Bowl is a great defense. Check.


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[Assistant] So, you know, if we have to miss more time with our quarterback, are we in a position with the backups we have to make a playoff run? These are questions that they're answering inside Berea. McNuggets asked those questions yesterday and decided I'm going to make this football team better.


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[Assistant] That's coming up later in the show. You don't want to miss that. Uhm, you're gonna get some valuable information. Also, week six.


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[Assistant] PFF grades. We're doing a little different this time. First of all, Mikey said the numbers are stunning in both directions.


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[Assistant] Guys you thought played great, uh-uh. Guys you thought stunk it up, maybe not so bad. He's gonna give us three grades, and he's gonna say which of these is not like the other. Which one doesn't belong in this group? And then it's up to us to pick them out. That's gonna be hard, that's a real hard way of doing it.


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[Assistant] Because first of all, when we look at the PFF grades week to week, we're like, what? Wait a minute. What? And we've had guys on, who was on recently?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, so we'll talk about that. Uh, and also Mary Kay Cabot's here, and the reason I'm anxious to talk to her is because there's just been so much information, so much


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[Assistant] misinformation about the Deshaun Watson injury. Where the heck do things stand now? You know, what, how far along is he? What's the likelihood that we see him Sunday and will we see him if he's not 100%?


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[Assistant] That's where we're gonna start our show today. But before we do, our first hello of the day to Mikey McNuggets. Hey buddy.


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[Assistant] But you, you place a $5 bet, you get $200 free dollars. That is, uh.


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[Assistant] You can stretch that. I told you I've got a friend that bets like 18 parlays and he throws a dollar on them every day. Mostly baseball.


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[Assistant] But this guy's a sports savant, kids. I'm telling you, he is a sports savant. I don't know how the hell he does it.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, we just briefly touched on it, but Deshaun Watson, it seems like, and I don't, I, I don't want to be the purveyor of this information.


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[Assistant] But, when you, I call it picking up breadcrumbs.


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[Assistant] Because that's what the organization leaves, little trails, and we're supposed to follow them. And right now it does feel like he's trending towards returning perhaps against Indy, but certainly against Seattle.


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[Assistant] And he wasn't, or later it came out, who cleared him? No one cleared him. Then the GM said he's gonna play in 10 days and he didn't play. And so there's just been so much stuff, but correct me if I'm wrong, it feels like the wind vane's blowing in the direction of him playing. What percentage does he need to be if you're


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[Assistant] The general manager, Andrew Barrett, or the head coach, and you're gonna help make this decision. Where do the doctors need to tell you he is for you to say, put the pads on, let's go play? Is 70% high enough?


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[Assistant] P.J. Walker better than Deshaun Watson at 84%.


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[Assistant] Eighty-four? Well, you said you need him to be at 85%. Well, I'm thinking longevity at this. I am too. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So I'm going to call the new G-Bush as homeowner G-Bush.


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[Assistant] The increased, it is a real scenario that he has a greater chance of tearing completely that rotator cuff if it's not 100% healed.


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[Assistant] So if there is a bruise there and there was some minor tearing in there and that's what led to the fluid loss and the bruising.


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[Assistant] Obviously it's like a rubber band. Once you cut it and continue to stretch it, you have a high likelihood of tearing it.


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[Assistant] If it's fully intact and grown back together...


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[Assistant] It's as strong as it was before the injury. The Browns were at this same apex in 2021. They had a injured Baker Mayfield and they were told he needs surgery.


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[Assistant] But, he took a game off, he came back against Arizona, oddly enough. He took a hit in the same shoulder, and now it's wrecked.


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[Assistant] And really, in that moment, their season evaporated.


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[Assistant] And this was coming off a year in which they won 11 games and won a playoff game and barely lost to Kansas City at the Chiefs. They were close. It's not like they were light years away.


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[Assistant] Make the conservative decision here. You've proven that with a backup quarterback and an elite defense, you can beat a 5-0, which is easily in the top two teams in the NFL, maybe the best.


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[Assistant] This isn't that big of an ask. Yes, it's on the road. And yes, this Colts team with Gardner-Minshew beat the Ravens in Baltimore. Anything is possible.


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[Assistant] The degree of difficulty of going to Indy and getting a win with PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] Is a molehill compared to the mountain that was beating the San Francisco 49ers with him.


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[Assistant] Get your franchise quarterback well. And to the 85% thing.


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[Assistant] The degree of difficulty in the NFL, and we see it on so many throws every week.


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[Assistant] It's an inch here or there. It's putting a ball in a window with converging defenders from two different sides. And you gotta, you gotta gun that ball in there. And if your arm isn't completely up to full strength, that's where Baker went wrong. Baker thought it's not my throwing shoulder, I can still make throws. Tony Romo was saying, no he can't.


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[Assistant] You don't even understand how much velocity you lose and accuracy you lose because all your mechanics change.


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[Assistant] When you have even a left shoulder injury. This is his throwing shoulder. I need him well. We're gonna go as far as this guy takes us, not PJ Walker. Put it on the defense again, go to Indy, come back four and two.


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[Assistant] Mcnuggets, you have thoughts on this? Would you dare put him out there if he's less than a hundred?


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[Assistant] Back in the locker room, let's go. You also know this, if you're Barry and Stefanski, you know you're treading water and swimming for your life here. Oh absolutely.


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[Assistant] You also understand that if you do bring him back a week early, you know where Indy's gonna go. I mean, he's got a target on that right shoulder.


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[Assistant] And it's a complete tear and the doctor comes to the podium Monday morning and says, guys, we're going to do surgery on Deshaun tomorrow morning. His season is over.


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[Assistant] Knowing that, what we know, that there is a higher likelihood of him completely tearing that rotator cuff if he takes another hit there.


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[Assistant] It's not like Baltimore's been this offensive juggernaut. They looked.


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[Assistant] Things like that, like how he keeps his team from looking past a trap game.


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[Assistant] I like that, and we also heard Stefanski, I think it was on Monday, yesterday, say, trust me when I tell you, we're not concerned about stats.


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[Assistant] Jim's not looking at stats, I'm not looking at, we don't care about stats and where we fit in in the pantheon of the all-time great defenses.


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[Assistant] We have 17 one game, uh, seasons. And last season is over, San Francisco. And now we've got another season to get ready for against the Colts. And then when that's over, you'll put that one to bed and you'll start thinking about Seattle. And I do think that that's the best way to look at a season. Absolutely. Game to game.


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[Assistant] It's, whatever it sounds like to be ready in practice, that's what it sounded like. You know, in other words, the hitting, the chirping, the guys, they were saying all the right things. He's just like, you could just tell from the sounds at practice this week that they were ready.


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[Assistant] It was the one play you couldn't give up, really, and they did.


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[Assistant] Throw a shutout here or there. That would be nice. Nope, I like that. My goodness.


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[Assistant] It's almost like offensive line though. Offensive line is that there's no, I mean the only stat is, you know, quarterback sacks allowed, uh, pressure rate.


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[Assistant] Because you don't know necessarily when the ball is snapped run or pass. Right. But if you know you've got a run stuffer in the middle and you're miles and you want to get home, you don't have to worry about run content. You just, you're going, you're coming for the quarterback and let someone else handle the run and Smith has done that.


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[Assistant] I know what you're going to say. Complimenting another man's pants.


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[Assistant] You know what Tyves is like? The Geico commercials about you becoming more and more like your parents. Have you seen the one on the internet training? Just because it's a vegetable doesn't mean you're talking about a vegetable.


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[Assistant] Becoming your parents. What a great ad campaign. Great. So guys, is it progressive? I can't, I can't even. I think it is progressive. It is progressive.


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[Assistant] Absolutely great. Alright, what do you got Mike? You wanna, you wanna pivot now and talk about was Sunday the best win? Yea I do. Cause, cause I think it's prisoner of the moment but I'll let you guys answer first.


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[Assistant] Regular season, by the way. I know. I get that. I get that.


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[Assistant] A regular season, you say? Yeaah, this is- Yeaah, now really for your purposes, I mean, you don't remember anything before you were-


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[Assistant] And the fact that we expected it to be a loss. Exactly.


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[Assistant] It was ridiculous, okay. It was absolutely ridiculous. And when we walked out, I remember, I've never seen a crowd collectively that euphoric. Not even leaving playoff game. But I just remember the thought was, we got it.


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[Assistant] Everybody was like, wow, as advertised, shows up, winning streaks over, first time he touches the field.


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[Assistant] So that was really, really, really big. It was. For me...


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[Assistant] And this is totally personal and nobody, nobody else would say, oh yeah, that game. But I've told this story on the air before. It's appropriate today because today, October 17th is the 15th anniversary of my father's death.


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[Assistant] And the last game he ever watched in any sport.


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[Assistant] Was the Browns Giants Prime Time game in 2008.


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[Assistant] The Giants were undefeated. They were the defending Super Bowl champions.


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[Assistant] And the Browns won, but it wasn't just that they won. I remember telling my mom that morning, I really don't want to do this because the last time my dad sees the Browns, it's going to be a thumping because hospice had told my dad and the family earlier that week, 72 hours. He'd been a long fight with cancer.


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[Assistant] But, I told my mom, God, I wish, I wish it wasn't the Giants. Like, he's gonna have to go out on that. That stinks.


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[Assistant] And right hand to God, you can look up the box score. It was October 13th, 14th, a few days before he died.


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[Assistant] Ended in a touchdown except for the drive before halftime, which they ran out of clock.


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[Assistant] The Giants scored 14 points and the Browns looked on that day.


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[Assistant] Like, they were an absolute world-beating team. Who was the coach at the time? 08. Croneo? Romeo? Was it Romeo? I don't, I don't know. Was this the 10-6 season?


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[Assistant] My, uh, hospice had said double his medication, cause he was on morphine. Once you get towards the end, they said we want him to be euphoric.