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[Assistant] I did not give you the fifth freedom to engage in a personal vendetta. We have the situation in hand.


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[Assistant] The world will never know their work. Their names will be lost to history.


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[Assistant] So, you are saying we are not important enough to turn us in? Is that it? No, I'm not saying that. No, no, no. No, no, no. All I'm saying. Yalla.


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[Assistant] During the past six years, I've been in and out of the coal fields of West Virginia, Virginia, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania, meeting sick and dying coal miners.


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[Assistant] At first I reported for NPR the resurgence of a deadly coal mining disease, black lung, which had been declining for decades.


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[Assistant] Then I got a tip two years ago about an outbreak of the most advanced form of black lung disease. And I began looking into why it was happening.


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[Assistant] So this morning we're headed to visit with Danny Smith. He's a young guy. He's...


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[Assistant] He mined coal only 12 years, but he's desperately sick.


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[Assistant] As I met more minors like Danny Smith, it became clear that they were getting this advanced black lung disease younger and more quickly than in the past.


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[Assistant] Greg. Hey. I'm Howard Burkus from National Public Radio. Great to meet you.


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[Assistant] Greg Kelly is just 54 years old, still relatively young for a minor so sick.


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[Assistant] Across Appalachia, I met dozens of other minors with this advanced black lung disease and started reporting their stories. Basic black lung diagnoses doubled in the last decade. Advanced disease quadrupled since the 1980s in Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky.


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[Assistant] One in five working coal miners in Appalachia could have diseased lungs. That's true for the thousands who've been tested, and it could be the rate for the rest.


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[Assistant] Go see Brandon Crum in Kentucky, I was told.


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[Assistant] He's a radiologist whose clinic is overwhelmed with cases of advanced black lung disease known as progressive massive fibrosis or PMF.


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[Assistant] Crum was so concerned he took his findings to researchers at the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, or NIOSH.


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[Assistant] The researchers had been tracking black lung disease themselves for decades, but they only tested working minors, not those out of work, and hadn't detected the sharp rise in deadly PMF that Brandon Crum was finding.


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[Assistant] Researchers at NIOSH had only reported 99 cases of PMF in the previous five years.


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[Assistant] But out of work minors had been flooding clinics. And in calls and visits to 16 clinics across Appalachia, Frontline and NPR identified close to 2,000 cases in the same time frame.


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[Assistant] The Stone Mountain Clinics in southwestern Virginia reported more cases than anyone. Ron Carson directed the clinic at the time.


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[Assistant] But the count here at Stone Mountain is now nearly 800, with a dozen new cases a month.


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[Assistant] With no cure, Danny Smith finds some help with his breathing at a pulmonary rehab clinic. Minors come here as much as four days a week and they're monitored closely.


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[Assistant] Congress responded with a tough new law that was supposed to protect minors from the coal mine dust that poisons lungs.


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[Assistant] Big and pure coal seams were mined out. Thinner seams embedded in rock were left. Mining machines cut more and more of that rock, producing fine and sharp particles of quartz or silica. Toxic dust that the existing mining regulations didn't directly control.


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[Assistant] It wasn't until 2014 that the Mine Safety and Health Administration, MSHA, put in place new restrictions on coal mine dust. But again, something was missing.


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[Assistant] This is the new dust rules that took effect in 2014. What's interesting is this section here where.


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[Assistant] Amsha said it wasn't establishing a new limit for quartz or silica.


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[Assistant] Instead of imposing specific new limits on silica dust, regulators continue to rely on rules that control coalmine dust overall and a complex formula to measure exposure that dates back decades.


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[Assistant] Still in use. And what our data shows, what Emch's data shows is that that formula hasn't worked 9,000 times since 1986. We can see it in the data.


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[Assistant] It's kind of puzzling why they didn't see it in the data and why they don't think this is important enough to have a different kind of regulatory process.


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[Assistant] Until this annual West Virginia Black Lung Conference. Greg?


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[Assistant] In the new rules, MSHA officials cited research that said coalmine dust was the main factor in black lung and PMF.


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[Assistant] And they continue to stand by that idea that limiting coal dust overall protects miners from excessive exposure to silica.


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[Assistant] But mining companies continue to cut thin seams and create toxic silica dust.


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[Assistant] So that you're not generating as much dust, or maybe you decide that you don't cut so much rock, and you don't cut those thinner seams. Aren't those things that mining companies could have done? You don't need regulation to do that.


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[Assistant] For months, I'd been trying to talk to the head of Emsha about the PMF epidemic.


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[Assistant] And the agency's decisions to not directly address silica.


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[Assistant] David Zatezlo is a former mining company executive who runs the agency. In September, we tracked him to a rare public appearance here at West Virginia University.


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[Assistant] Given the time it takes for disease to appear, it could be a decade or more before we know whether the new coalmine dust rules have made any difference.


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[Assistant] Do you feel, you know, pride or regret?


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[Assistant] Get him outta here. Let's move! You just try it. Okay.


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[Assistant] How useful is the intel from Nuri?


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[Assistant] Good to hear. Charlie. What? Any update on that hijacked ship we're after?


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[Assistant] It takes them approximately three to six months to build up when they start this program. At six months, they're typically maxed out. If they're out for two weeks, they lose pretty much everything they gained. Once they go into...


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[Assistant] You're inflammatory. If you do it enough, first year, everybody hates you. But what starts to happen is if you're right.


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[Assistant] I tell you what, it's just like the game. It was a game changer. This is the next thing. When people realized they was like, you know what, sir? Uhm, you said you weren't at the, uh, you know, at the scene of the crime. We have cell phone pinging.


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[Assistant] That puts you directly four miles at the, you're like, but no, I wasn't there, I threw my phone. Your phone was there.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm, I'm, I'll, I'll throw my, my first, uh, judgment out, just, just hearing it from what I'm, just like you guys are hearing just now. I always go back and say, what is the largest suspension I think ever given? And I think it was, if you take a look at the malice at the palace, right? Ron Artest, right?


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[Assistant] So, so, you know, when you take a look at what that meant, I mean, he was in the stadium, in the stands, fighting a


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[Assistant] I'm looking at this during the, during the spectrum. I expect it to be a half, I expect it to be a half a season. However, I don't, I don't necessarily know.


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[Assistant] What the Players Association had to say about it, right? Uhm, when Gilbert Arenas took guns to work, right? Was he suspended for how many games?


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[Assistant] That's been 10 years. Yeah, so he brought it to the workplace and it was, it was, it was some...


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[Assistant] Animosity going on. They was going back and forth. Like they was bringing guns, like to show. And so I look at it and say, okay, well, if the players association says, hey,


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[Assistant] We do have some stipulations and we do have something that we can compare it to. Guy brought guns to work, he was outside of practice, he was outside of a facility, he didn't have any involvement. Yes, OG did get suspended and he's a second time offender. That's, that's it for me. I thought they was going to get him on the second time offender.


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[Assistant] I look at it like this. I think they probably had a range. I think originally it probably was half a year and I don't know. I think it was negotiated down and I think there's some stipulations that we'll find out he has to complete for it to get to that. Yeah, let's go to McNuggets for that.


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[Assistant] I think you can look at it like this as well. You can look at it, maybe he's in a dark place. Sometimes when you do something, right, uhm, and you're like, dang, I done messed up again.


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[Assistant] And the whole world knows it, and the whole world is on it.


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[Assistant] Sometimes you just, you kinda, you tune out. Like you try to tune it out as much as you can. Especially, he doesn't know really what the impending...


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[Assistant] You know, disqualification is going to be, if the suspension is a year long.


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[Assistant] He's like, man, that's crazy. If it's a half a year, that's crazy. So he's thinking about what the punishment is going to be.


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[Assistant] And sometimes when you, you've been told, and you know, you got guys like us, you got guys like Charles Barkley, or Skip Davis, his rappers, his politicians, everybody probably want to get in contact with him. There's probably a lot of requests that he gets, and sometimes you just want to just- But Lil Wayne? Sometimes, look, here's the thing.


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[Assistant] I'll give you my personal experience. My mother and father.


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[Assistant] We, we weren't wild watching certain things. As a matter of fact, I used to think it was crazy because we couldn't even have super soakers. We couldn't have any water pistols. We couldn't. Really? No, for real. They're serious. Like we wouldn't. It was a form of a gun and you wouldn't have it. You wouldn't allow touching no guns, right? So where I come from is a household where we never, I never, I grew up in a household where I never


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[Assistant] Needed, like, I never saw a place or an environment where I needed a gun.


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[Assistant] Some people come from places of environments. We take a look at all of our heroes. We take a look at Nipsey Hussle. We take a look at, you know, Jam Master Jay. We take a look at Tupac. We look at Biggie. We look at all these young artists. We just saw Migos, Offset for the Migos.


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[Assistant] Like all, all of our rappers, right, our rappers, our civil rights leaders, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, uhm, all of our people are gunned down. They're shot.


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[Assistant] So when you grow up as a black person in this country, some people in the hood always say, it's better I got it on me than not it on me.


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[Assistant] Because I'd rather be tried by, I'd rather be tried by, what, 12 than carried by 6? Meaning that I've heard that before. So, if you ain't got it on you,


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[Assistant] What you doing? And at the point where they don't understand, John Moran doesn't understand, like, in the city of Cleveland, or city of Memphis, young Dolph just got killed. Young Dolph just got killed outside of a place where he just was getting cooked.


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[Assistant] So if you got to circle people around you, and those showgirl individual people are in the streets,


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[Assistant] Technically, you're in the streets. You're with them. You, because even if you don't do the same things they do, you ain't at the same places at the same time. You got to understand you with them. And on top of that, you are a target. Big time. You, you are, you are the, you are the us bank. You are Huntington national bank.


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[Assistant] But I wanna get to the crux of the situation. Your question is, what does it say? I've said on this show before,


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[Assistant] In America, we have a problem with guns.


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[Assistant] Across the bow, we have a problem with our infatuation of guns.


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[Assistant] I look at it as a symptom. John Moran is a symptom. John Moran is, is a symptom of the problem of how we, we put these guns on pedestals. We put the guns before people. Then you got, you tell people, well, you know, we can't stop school shootings. I remember the first, Jay, you remember this, when, when Columbine happened, right?


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[Assistant] The world stopped. It was, it was appalling. We couldn't believe it. Could not. Now, they're common. It's every 30 seconds and we go right on to our next thing. Yeah. 30 seconds. Oh, oh, and on to the NBA finals because it's happening that that's how rampant it's become. And I must say this job Moran.


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[Assistant] He, he got the 25 games. We don't know what's gonna go on behind closed scenes, but one thing that I will say is...


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[Assistant] If you got your NBA players, if you got people in schools that kids are scared to go to school because they think they're going to die like their friends and you got people that can help this. You got people that can stop it that are taking pictures with AR-15s and as Christmas pictures.


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[Assistant] As Christmas pictures, the people who are standing up saying thoughts and prayers are in the Christmas pictures with their kids. Yep. One through five with the guns. You got guys in office doing that. Preach. What type of stuff is this man?


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[Assistant] What type, and they do it and they think it's funny. I don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican, liberal or whatever you call yourself. You know we have a problem in this country. That's the equivalent of knowing that we have a fentanyl problem in this country and you taking a needle and acting like you shooting up. Sure.


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[Assistant] That's disrespectful, man. And then people do that for clout and it trickles down. And then John Moran says, well, if they did it, I think it'd be good for me.


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[Assistant] That cop. He's dead. He's dead. So he has a story for him to listen to, right? And little Wayne, after a while, even little Wayne went through a situation where he had a gun and he had to go to Rikers. After this. After this. After this. So for a whole year, at the height of his career, had to go to Rikers. So sometimes,


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[Assistant] It's just one of them things where somebody can tell you, sometimes you gotta sit down. Sometimes you gotta sit down for you to get that.


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[Assistant] We're gonna give you tough love. I think the difference between the NFL and the NBA is the NBA has less control over


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[Assistant] The player. The player. Absolutely. You're absolutely right. And, and it's, it's difficult to suspend a guy where you have LeBron James saying, oh, we ain't going to see LeBron or, or whoever, whoever's there, Chris Paul or these are big players. The players.


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[Assistant] I will agree with that in the NFL side. The NBA side, it is, it's not like your parents. It's like they are, uh, they're friends. Like you ever see somebody's, you ever see somebody's, uh, kids and they act like they're their friends. They call them by the name. Nancy, I'm not going to my room, Nancy.


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[Assistant] I can't stand that. Like they're equals. So when you have this, I guarantee they probably had to go and fuck.


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[Assistant] He, he needs the, he needs, I'll give him my final say on it. Like I told, you know, Greg Newsom, at the end of the day, a lot of people don't be wanting security because they don't want to say, I could go to anywhere without security. A lot of people don't, I got it on me, I'm cool, I got my people with me. No, no, no. It's a different age out here. Inflation is crazy. People ain't got no money. You a target, bro. If you want to go someplace, hire you some professional security.


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[Assistant] And if you say this is Maurice correct, then we'll put a bowl in it.


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[Assistant] Sometimes you learn by learning from other people. Sometimes you learn by you getting in trouble. Sometimes you learn, uh, by sitting here and watching other casts and sometimes you learn by paying the ultimate price. Maurice Claret says all the time.


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[Assistant] Going to sit in jail for two, three years saved my life.


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[Assistant] He says it all the time, sitting down for two, three years, making me think about what I was doing and how I'm, I'm more than just a football player and how, because what happens is when you in that jail cell and you get away from your girl, you away from your mom, you get a real, you get a lot of time to think about what the heck you're doing in your life. And guess what?


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[Assistant] You know, to me, I look at it like this, you know, when you are an icon like Michael Jordan, you've done it at the highest level, uhm, and you're a cultural icon, like, so, I base how popular you are by not what we do in the United States, just by go to some third world country in Southeast Asia and see if they know who you are.


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[Assistant] So for Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan is the epitome of what famous is. So Jordan can't go nowhere, like he's really, like he's really that famous. His shoes sell out. People, people have not even watched Michael Jordan ever play. They just know the coolest thing you need to have is a Jordan. And it could be one, two, three years old, five years old, six years old.


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[Assistant] I think what happened with Michael Jordan is the same thing that happened with Larry Bird to a certain extent. Uhm, and you can say magic too. Uhm, they would like to be minority owners, but they can't be that close to the action and not see excellence.


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[Assistant] If I'm close to you, and I'm looking at these guys I'm drafting, and you get them in, and you're looking at them, I'm like, man, this guy ain't even, he don't put no work in, I gotta, I gotta give him a million dollars. He said something, I was on the internet, he said,


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[Assistant] These guys, me, Magic, and Larry, earned everything we got. We had to prove before Magic got the first million dollar deal. Like, year, this is like, he's like, we had to prove what we was about. Jordan never even earned the most money. He got his biggest paydays.


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[Assistant] 33 and 35 million in his last two years in Chicago. Before that, no big paydays. So when you see that, what actually happens is you turn into a grumpy guy. You start to look at it and you start to be like, oh well these dudes need to get off my lawn, including the guys that I'm paying.


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[Assistant] Money. Luck is the third. Luck is third in my opinion. I look at it, I like all three of those things.


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[Assistant] For myself, I don't know if I could be a good owner because I'm too passionate.


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[Assistant] And I think you have to, you have to have a vision, uhm, for what you want to, what your organization to be.


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[Assistant] And that vision has to revolve in five to ten year increments, right? Some things, some moves that you make today aren't going to pay off until three, four, five years down the line. For me, I look at my mortality all the time. I know I ain't got no time to be setting nothing up. I want to win today. And I think one of the things that you really have to, I think the biggest thing is being flexible, adaptable.


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[Assistant] Certain people have a, a concept of what they live by. They say a culture or something. You just mentioned it.


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[Assistant] You, you know, in those moves, sometimes they went over the luxury tax. Sometimes they didn't. Sometimes they traded big names. Sometimes they traded those names for small people. Sometimes they went and got a coach that was unknown. Sometimes they went and got a coach that had a big name.


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[Assistant] And a lot of the owners, I appreciate the people that understand not only


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[Assistant] What was, but is yet to come. I like to see people that have that, those guys in business.


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[Assistant] That knew the typewriter was gonna be out, but you know, they invested in keyboards. Right. They knew that, hey, stoves, ain't nobody selling no big gas stoves door to door now. They said microwaves is coming in.


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[Assistant] There's, oh, I love owners that understand what the new wave is, and they're always about, oh, six months ahead of everybody, cause that's, all of them are savvy.


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[Assistant] So if you're not blazing a trail, you're following someone else. And so that's why we see the Browns and we see some of our, um, you know, we talk about it. There's a lot of way to win games.


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[Assistant] But we've, we've criticized our owners because we've followed behind old ways that other people use. I think Bill Belichick and his success has got more coaches fired than anybody I've ever seen in my life.


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[Assistant] Do you think it is possible for a hands on owner to be highly successful?


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[Assistant] And the climate is like that, like you could take a look at this, the same thing with the Spurs. I mean, are the Spurs that great of an organization or did they just get Tim Duncan?


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[Assistant] I want to ask this question and I've always thought, so say for instance, you can get a valuation just like, oh, um, your house, right? You can go get, they say, how much is my house worth? Then you could say, okay, well this, my house is worth this. Let me get a loan based on the value of my house, right?


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[Assistant] So when you look at smaller baseball teams, right, I've always thought like, okay, I bought it for how much, right? I think the Guardians got bought for like, what? A couple hundred million. Three hundred million?


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[Assistant] And because I played, and another thing, you played in one of the worst divisions. You're in the AL Central where today you're two and a half hours away.


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[Assistant] He kept the right people. He's insulated because Tito has so much cache.


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[Assistant] That he could speak on things above where he even talk about. Like, he's almost a de facto general manager, assistant GM, a marketing guy. But he always pays reverence and respect to the guys above him. And they lockstep, they right by each other, right?


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[Assistant] And so- By far the best management team in, in, in local. Have you ever heard them say they have two conflicting messages?


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[Assistant] He did the old switcherooning. He had Mike Brown. He got rid of Mike Brown. Yeah. Bring Brown back.


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[Assistant] Beeline. He's Harvey, like, oh, this not gonna work.


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[Assistant] I think Dan Gilbert, uhm, because he's one.


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[Assistant] I can't put him no lower than one. Because guess what? And he's the only one that's delivered. And he did the unthinkable. Like how many times do billionaires apologize and kiss and make up? He didn't have to bring back Lebron. After the letter? Like he buried his


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[Assistant] Yeah, they've had the most, I mean, they've had the most turnover. They can't find a quarterback. They couldn't, uhm, you know, they had issues with their own businesses where they had to be, like, in litigation. Uh, I will give the Hassams, here's one thing I will always give the Hassams credit for, uhm,


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[Assistant] The Hasslems have always went out of their way to hire minorities.


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[Assistant] Some of the minorities might not have been good coaches or GMs. At the end of the day, we find out, but anybody can do that. But my thought process is, I've never had to come on here and be like, the Cleveland Browns don't have any diversity. They've done a really good job of doing that. And maybe it just pays off because they were with the Rooney's for so long and they named the rule after him.


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[Assistant] You know what the cheat code is? If, if the Hasms win, right?


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[Assistant] What are we gonna say? Congratulations. Does that, does that make them good owners overnight? Yes. They've done something right, so yes.


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[Assistant] For the whole week. And all you gotta do to be the good guy, all you gotta do is go to the gas station and buy a bag of fruit snacks. What? My uncle's letting me eat fruit snacks before dinner? I love this guy. Who is this guy?


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[Assistant] Because they, they came, they came way, they came right back after it. When you lose all them games, sometimes you just want some excitement. They came back after that. It was like, you know what we're going to do? I want wins. Give me Odell Beckham. Give me Kareem Hunt. No, give me wins. Uh, we draft Miles Gar, and then, and then Baker Mayfield came. So the narrative.


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[Assistant] I said, why is the Haslams higher than the Dolans? So we can explain your thought process to Jay.


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[Assistant] Harrison Gwynn is on your side. He says because the Dolans are smart and make great coaching, um, great coaching hires, um, and they've been doing it for decades.


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[Assistant] He is consistent. He said he does not like to trade if they don't win no Super Bowl. That's it!


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[Assistant] That 25%, there is a growing base. There's a, I do radio. There's a growing, even the, even the greatest of Kool-Aid drinkers have now gotten to a point where


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[Assistant] It still doesn't erase the fact that you came in last place last year. No, it does not. So I need, I need you to now over show me what you're talking about and then I can get back on the bandwagon. There's a lot of people think like that. But there's always going to be, what I've learned in my opinion,


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[Assistant] There's always going to be 25% of the population that that's, that's what they're here for. I'm here because I support my team.


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[Assistant] From, from hell, come hell or high water, I'm rockin'


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[Assistant] People will find little different reasons and ways to, to motivate themselves. Now if you flip it, right? If you say, okay, baseball is my favorite sport and I like the guardians, right?


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[Assistant] For a person that put the guardians, we know why we would put the, the, the Browns in 25, but what if we put the person who says I voted for the guardians because they're the worst to me to those.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, I'm saying the people who said that they're even. Some people will look at the guardians and say, well, I see a billionaire owner.


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[Assistant] Who is selling us that he doesn't have the money. And we don't know.


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[Assistant] Does he not have the money? I look at a guy who...


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[Assistant] That's the problem. If you don't never spend money, and then when you do spend money and you don't hit, you now are put into the brown circumstance.


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[Assistant] So what they're saying is, and this is a fair file, human nature is, I can deal with some misdeeds, I can deal with some things if you're being aggressive. But if you're being conservative and you lose,


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[Assistant] We're going to question, well, why aren't the young kids playing? Right? Why, why are we not, you know, getting rid of the $6 million? So the hasms in a way, just by just money does, it's a nice optical illusion. If you can hand somebody a name, right?


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[Assistant] Better or worse, they said, they realized, they took the hit immediately, but they said, if Deshaun Watson plays, plays, plays himself out.


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[Assistant] We tried it the other way. We tried to get Baker, we tried to draft him.


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[Assistant] That $250 million, they'll get, they'll get harassed for it in the beginning because you'll have to go through allegations and stuff. Sure. But if it hits, what it will do, It's worth every cent. It'll say, look, they're willing to spend $250.


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[Assistant] Now watch this, now we just talked about who's number one in town, right? We talked about, now the Cavs made a deal.


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[Assistant] For Donovan Mitchell and it cost them three first round things. Same thing, big boomer bust. They can go for a lot of people from one to three real quick because if they don't get anything for Donovan Mitchell and they gave away all those picks, you're going to say to yourself, you know what, was it worth it? It was a fail.


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[Assistant] I asked Jay. We had Jay in here, you know, we'd be grilling him. So we love to say, we love to put our quotes out there and then say, Jay said it. So Jason- He said Jay, he means Jason Lloyd, not just Jay. Not just Jay, Jason Lloyd. Uhm, here's the thing.


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[Assistant] I asked a lot of people, and what I did, I start from the premise, okay? Tell me why.


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[Assistant] Donovan Mitchell would sign a contract here in another year.


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[Assistant] Oh, he's not re-signing here. So if you start with that premise, right, that means you have him for next year?


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[Assistant] He's in his last year. He's in his last year. You can't, we're not moving. We're not, we're not doing the Francisco Landor stuff. We need, or Bieber. We need, in the NBA, you need to get something immediately. All that trade deadline, you can still get, no. So the, the time to trade him is now? The, the time that you're gonna get your best deal, your biggest move,


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[Assistant] Is if you trade him, I, I think about trading them in the summer.


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[Assistant] Now the reason they won't do it is because that would have meant that you made a mistake.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. I've learned from my mistakes. I've learned from, uh, Kyrie Irving. I've learned from LeBron James twice. So when you make them move on immediately as fast as you can. Yes. When you made that move, what you can do right now is say, look,


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[Assistant] It just didn't fit. It didn't work. You can, you can lie to yourself and say, you know, this, this situation will get better, we'll group and we'll grow together and, and even if you do go to the second round, right? Say you win the first round game and go to the second round, you lose.


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[Assistant] Everybody still knows Donovan Mitchell wants to go where he wants to go. You don't have any control over that. So at the end of the day, were you, were you pissed that he threw out the first pick at a Mets game?


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[Assistant] He said, Oh, well y'all just like Utah because I told you in Utah that I wanted to be better than where we was at. Right. And so they traded me and I'm here. So I'm going to take it for face value. I thought he was having a good time. Everything is good. 71 points, 51 wins, all that good stuff. A GM that has a vision says,


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[Assistant] We gotta make some changes because we view ourselves as a championship team. He didn't say it. So guess what he's gonna do? I'm gonna go to New York to show.


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[Assistant] He's telling you, he didn't already told you.


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[Assistant] So I'll, I'll look at it this way, and if I wouldn't, I, I just go by, I just, basically I'm going by what the, what the predecessors have told me. When Kawhi Leonard won the championship and he left,


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[Assistant] Unapologetically, it has never been done. Let's think about it. Kyrie Irving hit the biggest shot in history.


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[Assistant] He was drafted number one overall by the Cavs, hit the biggest shot in the history of the Cavs. Multiple 40 point games in the finals. Number one selling jersey, shot 25 times more than LeBron. The hottest kick, hottest shoes in the game. Kids love his shoes. And he said, I gotta go.


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[Assistant] That changes a lot the way you think about it. Well, what else do you want? There's no loyalty. When Kawhi Leonard won, he won the championship, beat the Warriors and was like, I'll talk to you later. I'm already, you already know where I'm going. If you could, if you could exchange that for a championship, I would take it. Yeah, I would too.


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[Assistant] However- What about the chance to win a championship? If they got me to a point where I thought we had a chance, I'm all for it. The problem is, when you start talking about getting rid of Jared Allen, people are like, oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] Touch my pearls. We can't do that. We like our core. No, no, no. When you, when you get Donovan Mitchell and you give three picks up, nobody is safe.


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[Assistant] Because that means you gotta be able to be in a position to do whatever it takes.


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[Assistant] To maximize everything for one to two years. And that, that means you weren't prepared to do that.


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[Assistant] You just went and got, if you wanted, if you called me, I wanted you to just take his time, sit back. He could have let this thing grow matriculate. He could have kept sexting or got rid of him. He could have kept marketing. He could have kept all those guys, right? And they probably still would have made the playoffs this year, right? I would expect now he could have sat back, did it organically. Nobody would have said nothing.


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[Assistant] But you gotta think about when you make moves. When you made a Donovan Mitchell move. You're all in. It was the Deshaun Watson move on the other side. Now? And when you made that move?


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[Assistant] We used to, when we said, oh, you got six games, Stefanski. That's how much it ratchets it up. Like now, you looking at, eh, we, we trying to figure out. You gotta, at least this year, you gotta at least go to the Eastern Conference Finals.


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[Assistant] But I'm afraid, I'm afraid that Donovan Mitchell is the trade that you moved the new car off the lot. Once you moved it off the lot, you lost the, you lost value. Think about what they gave up to get him.


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[Assistant] They got a Baji who was a first round pick. They got College Sexton who was a top.


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[Assistant] You know who's younger, more dynamic, and who has a better contract? Donovan Mitchell. Way younger.


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[Assistant] So if you put Donovan Mitchell on the market, and you put Bradley Beale on the market, who do you believe is going to get, if you're, if you're, uh, a team that wants to get over the hump? The Donovan Mitchell Traders. All day, all day.


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[Assistant] Tyler Hero is a shooter, Duncan Robinson is a shooter, and if the Miami Heat want to give me some picks, give me two, three picks, all of a sudden I got shooters.


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[Assistant] By the way, by the way, my head cannon is going off. Like uhm, in my mind, I'm just, this uh, Donovan Mitchell to the heat move.


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[Assistant] Can I get Caleb Martin too? Can I get him? And uhm, get me Duncan Robinson and, and, and, and old boy. Tyler Hero. Now you're getting greedy. Now you're getting greedy.


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[Assistant] I thought this is two first round picks. What happened in that other pick?


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[Assistant] He's like, nah, he's like, not in public. They don't sponsor.


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[Assistant] I grow extra bones and Jay has two different colored eyes. We're just a freak show. Oh and my heart doesn't work.


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[Assistant] I still have them fooled. The plan is working beautifully, Mike. We'll see you Tuesday. No show Monday.


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[Assistant] That's, that's a fact. Uhm, when football season starts, you just be like, man, don't, don't expect no conversations.


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[Assistant] Mentally, physically, and emotionally.


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[Assistant] Don't be telling me how your day went. No one cares.


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[Assistant] Because you was remixing up there. I killed it. You, you cursed three times. No I didn't, I didn't curse. You called, you called the bridesmaids all losers for not being in shape.


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[Assistant] Did you get a special meal of any sort?


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[Assistant] What Jonathan should have did, and I'll tell him when I see him, he should have put you on the groom's men's list with the gift.


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[Assistant] Y'all cats, it be certain etiquette. It be, it be certain things. Like, listen, like people don't understand. Let you be in a, let you be in a bar and you going around and somebody by around and then you be, they be looking around like, listen, it is an unwritten rule.


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[Assistant] You know what it is. Don't be getting lost. Don't be running outside to the bathroom. That next round is on your pocketbook. You might want to get that credit card out right now and don't be getting, it's equal or lesser value. Do not be out here. If you got a shot, you have a shot coming up.


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[Assistant] If I had to go pick it up and I had to walk in and I had to get it out of the car, then I had to swipe my stuff and possibly stand in line because other people's in front of me, no, I'm not giving you a tip. You don't really do nothing.


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[Assistant] Now, I don't know if Earl feel this way, but here's the thing, so like,


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[Assistant] This may seem crazy, but I'm gonna give y'all a perspective. Okay. Sometimes I feel like I go to a restaurant,


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[Assistant] And I take inventory and be looking around. I'm like, man, I'm the only black person here.


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[Assistant] You be like, this is a decent restaurant, right? So I always automatically come in with this stigma being like, I got a tip for my whole culture. Like, I, like, I don't- The race is- The whole race is on your tip. It's on my tip, so that might be the last and first time I've ever seen a black person in that spot.


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[Assistant] And I don't want them saying, man, I ran across this dude, he didn't tip, so I be tipping for all the people that feel like it's okay to just leave your shame.


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[Assistant] Don't, don't leave your change on the table and think that's a tip. I mean it's over tip, but people are like bro.


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[Assistant] Right, yeaah, yeah, I just, it's one of them things, like, ay, let me know if you feel that way. I'm just saying, it just made me, I'd be like, yo, I have to overtake.


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[Assistant] That's crazy, Jason. He came in and was disrespecting his ring. And I'm just like, I'm just sitting there. He's like, yeah, your ring is cool, but let me show you these packages and I can get you together on this ADT. You don't got the new.


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[Assistant] He's had like four or five hit games or something like that in one month. I don't know if it's one month, but. Though I heard a stat they say that basically if he does it again, he'll have the record for most five hit games. He'd be tied to like three other guys.


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[Assistant] That should be gravy. That, that, that, that should be gravy. If you playing the A's, you playing the Royals.


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[Assistant] They're, they're actually going to be, I still think they're pretenders a little bit, but this has showed me whether or not they're really, really pretenders. Because if you can't stretch games together against these bad teams, that just shows me that you are


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[Assistant] Way below the other top teams, especially in the east.


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[Assistant] So for me, I'm like, you gotta take 80 out of 10 out of, especially with those two guys, and that's what baseball is about. You may not be up to the, to the upper echelon, and you may not be able to compete head to head in a lot of those games, but the series that you playing, lesser opponents, you gotta beat them, and then you can at least


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[Assistant] What is that capabilities? Like, what do you mean? Like, I don't, I don't see them as a really high ceiling team. Guardians? Yeaah. I mean, listen.


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[Assistant] They would have to, they would have to say the Orioles or the Red Sox or the Rays. They would have to have a bad series.


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[Assistant] Got off to a slow start. McKenzie's hurt. That's a huge part of what we're trying to do. The Bats got Zenino'd and 6 million went down the drain.


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[Assistant] You got to trade them now, and... By the way, McNuggets, I'm using this same rationale with Donovan Mitchell. I love what you just said, Jason. Stay tuned.


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[Assistant] If he can get about, he got eight home runs now. If he gets 25, 26.


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[Assistant] Hey bro, listen, I'ma tell you what man, I still don't understand it. That's the greatest, that's the greatest feat I've ever seen in my life.


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[Assistant] And you know, Bull, just, there are times when as a hitter, you just miss a pitch. Like, you can hit it hard, you just missed it. This dude never missed. He can walk three times, he stand up to take his 12 balls straight.


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[Assistant] That's the problem, boo. The room, in playoffs, the room for margin is too slim.


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[Assistant] You just, eh, listen, I understand. We love pitching and, and, like, it's, it's good. No, it's got overboard. I know a pitcher wins games.


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[Assistant] Hey man, you know, soft pretzels is the staple. You know, I, I, when I go to, uh, when I go to the movie theater, I just eat dinner there. Cause you can't just have nachos and you can't just have a pretzel.


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[Assistant] Oh, listen, it's $60. You buy pizza at a movie theater? I'm in popcorn. Popcorn. It's $60. Oh, listen, you trying to go out, like you doing something? Cause you know, you know they're going to upsell you on your drink. The drink is like $5.95 to start with. Yeah, it cost them like a penny.


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[Assistant] I am not loaded and I ain't spending it at the movie theater. No, I will bring, I'll bring my candy in there. The candy, that's from the gas station. Does anybody here get hot dogs at a movie theater?


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[Assistant] I just realized when I was growing up, I was eating a bunch of garbage.


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[Assistant] Like, I was, like, back in the- Why, now you're not eating a bunch of garbage? I mean, who boils hot dogs and has that little film- It looked like that little film of, like, dirty tub water at the top. Yeah, oh yeah. And I'm like, why is this boiled out? And then you'd be like, it's- And then you'd be like, these ain't even all beef. This is chicken neck, turkey, and hooves. This is bad, bro.


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[Assistant] That was B-B-Y-O-O-M-B. Bring your own snack money. Right. So, that was nice of you. Now, I would go and that'd be like, I'd just stop going and I'd say, listen, if you're not gonna send me with a 20, I'm not going to the field trip.


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[Assistant] I wake up and somebody got a problem with my tr- no, I'm just playing. Uhm, yeaah, the calves are screwed. They're screwed. Uhm, because...


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[Assistant] And I think we've, we've asked Evan Mobley to turn into Kevin Garnett. And he has not shown that that's even in his game plan.


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[Assistant] Curse Bosch, like he's not even a better shooter than Bosch at this point. Could he get there? Sure. He could be a little Marcus Aldridge and develops five, six years away from now. But the reality of it is, once you made the trade for Donovan Mitchell, now you in the game. You here, front row and center.


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[Assistant] That's why they tell people, no snitching. You know what happens if you snitch, right? You here for a reason. You know what comes with the game when you do bad things. Take your responsibility. The Cavs are here today. They made the trade as a bunch of swaps. So they don't have assets.


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[Assistant] So you have to look at it and say, oh, what is my best trade shit to get better?


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[Assistant] Well, there's two ways you can look at it. One is Jared Allen. One is Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] They look at you like, aw, I smell blood in the water. Cause every team in the East is looking to get better. Cause it's a crapshoot. It's up in the air. The Celtics are looking at Prisingas. The Celtics wouldn't mind getting Kyle Kuzma. All these other teams feel like their window is open too. And the Cavs can't sit there and just put their head in the sands and say, well,


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[Assistant] Jared Allen provides defense. No, Jared Allen provides defense in the regular season. We've seen what his defensive prowess was in playoff time.


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[Assistant] So Kobe Altman gave a big contract to a non-shooting big who is now here he can't get rid of. He then made multiple pick swaps with Utah and gave away all our picks forever.


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[Assistant] He knew Donovan Mitchell probably wasn't going to sign, uh, uh, uh, an offer sheet and extension here. And now you don't have any cap space or draft picks to do anything and you are as is.


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[Assistant] Hey look, I tell you about this. Same thing I told the Browns. Hey look, if you want to just run it back, uhm, and that's just what you want to do, understand that if you don't perform next year, all bets are off.


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[Assistant] The whole thing. You're next to a small tear down. Like if you want to say we're not going to do much and you didn't do anything and you saw other people running the league doing stuff.


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[Assistant] The indictment, and this is to me, this is a little bit of indictment. Well, when we talk about the Nuggets, guess what the Nuggets did? They developed bench players. When you talk about the Heat, the Heat came out there with Jimmy Butler and Bam, and a bunch of Heat, a bunch of undrafted guys.


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[Assistant] Listen, if you want to be played a small ball game and the Cavs don't want to go over the cap and we don't want to get rid of our four, well, is it not reasonable to say


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[Assistant] Okay. You said two, two and uh, two.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's reasonable. If you talk about one prospect, one guy that can help you down in one meeting.


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[Assistant] Don't they have a limit on the age that they're gonna like, you know, I don't remember them signing too many 31 or 32 year old power hitters.


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[Assistant] In deals, like, that come in trades. Yeah, well it would have to be younger guys. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, cause I remember, cause even when we were talking about 1 vs 1, um, you know, trades, like they talked about him and Jerry Judy, right?


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[Assistant] And they were saying like, oh no, the Broncos aren't trading straight up a nuisance for Jerry Judy. The Browns gotta add something into that. And Jerry Judy's not a tie.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm not saying they don't have no value, but it's very rare for teams to like give up a bunch of stuff just for a closer. Like, like think about it, if I wanted to, if you got Klaus A right, what is the difference between a, the top notch closer and


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[Assistant] I think one of the, I think one of the reasons he would get a bigger return is the fact that, you know, he's on a very team friendly deal. He's getting paid pennies. Like that's why I'm waiting to see if Jose Ramirez is on this list.


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[Assistant] I think there's maybe three to four teams that believe he could put up MVP numbers next year.


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[Assistant] Nothing, nothing, nothing, yeaah. I mean, Darius, I think it'll hurt some is he's a little slight, slightly built, like.


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[Assistant] He's just not, he doesn't have the physical stature that, you know, you would like to see. He's had some injury things. You can beat him up a little bit. So for me, he has some trade value, but I don't think it's crazy.


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[Assistant] A little more in Darius Garland. I don't think Donovan Mitchell is that, that crazy, given his unique circumstances. We talk about Bradley Bill's unique circumstances and why the Wizards couldn't get it. Well, if you're the Cavs and you say, for instance, you wanted to trade Donovan Mitchell today.


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[Assistant] Or the Knicks. Or the Knicks. And that contender would need to either go to the finals or be in the, in the conference finals.


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[Assistant] So, okay, so just, just, just for hypothetical sake, hypothetically, hypothetically, if you wanted to make a movie, say, listen, you go to New York, you say, listen, hey, listen, uh, we know he want to kind of kind of come here.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if you say, if they say, I'ma give you topping, I'ma give you quickly.


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[Assistant] And I'ma give you, uh, R.J. Barrett in the picture.


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[Assistant] So, so let me ask you, if, if, say for instance, after, say this year, they don't win the championship or whatever the case may be.


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[Assistant] Not getting a pick. I don't think you would even get a pick at that point. Oh, yeah, you would. So you're saying you get a pick, but say you only maybe get two players and one of them is a borderline starter.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this. If you was, I look at it like this. If you was the Dallas Cowboys and you said, I'm going to get Miles Garrett, you have Michael Parson, they're automatically Super Bowl favorites.


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[Assistant] If, if you was, if you wanted to really, I know defense can't win championships, right? Yea. But listen, if you get Miles Garret in like another top, like, Miles Garret and Michael Parsons is devastating. You're not, you can't get away from that. Like, they would be automatically the team coming out of there.


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[Assistant] And that's why I want their number two pick. I want a second round pick too.


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[Assistant] If you are a top 10 pick in the NFL, you started.


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[Assistant] It just is what it is. You're a starter. Like, even if you're a quarterback. Like, nowadays- What do you mean, you're starting when? You're, you're a, if you get drafted in Top Ten as a left tackle, you're a starter.


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[Assistant] I got one. Because what I could do is, if you're a team, you gotta think about it like this. Like, I already got my first round pick. So now I got two first round picks this year.


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[Assistant] If I'm trading him, I'm looking at, in fact, in a vacuum, that if I do have my first round pick, and I'm trading him, and I think you get another second, or you could get a third in one year.


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[Assistant] But here's what I'm, here's what I'm saying. If you, say for instance you got a defense, right?


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[Assistant] And you, you may think, guess what? My quarterback may not be top 10, but he's a top 15 guy. We've, we've won with him. And you already got a really good defense or pieces and parts. Like think about it.


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[Assistant] You bring, Miles Garrett is so good defensively that you would bring up the play of your defense to a level where you could be a Super Bowl contender. Like to me, the only way you could become a Super Bowl contender overnight is if you get a quarterback,


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[Assistant] Or a generational pass rusher. I think you can, even receiver to me is too hard to move the needle. Say for instance, think about it like this.


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[Assistant] Bro, you are, you gotta, this is stackables, like you got, that is a cheat code.


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[Assistant] Can you imagine how good, can you imagine, have you seen Michael Parsons play? Of course I've seen him play. That means you got the two


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[Assistant] I look at it, it's just not Myles Gidd by himself. I'm saying that if you take him- No, I get it. If you put him with Chris Jones in Kansas City, you're not blocking him.


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[Assistant] Well, he has more time to go, but if you talk about, Mazgarid is definitely a generational talent when it comes to defensive games. He's big, he's fast. I guess it depends how you define generational talent.


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[Assistant] If you put Aaron Donald on the same team as Miles Garrett, you're dead. You can't run, you can't pass.


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[Assistant] I think three's high. Three? Okay, if you say high probably, but you can give me two wins. You can give me two wins. That's worth two wins.


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[Assistant] That's kinda high, bro. Like, wow. I'm just thinking about that. Clay Matthews... No, he says it's an honorable mention. I mean, but I think they could make the list.


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[Assistant] He played one more. He played against the greatest quarterback of all time, head to head, every single year. We didn't talk about him. He should have beaten him more.


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[Assistant] I have who? Why do you not have Subonis on there? Or the Curries.


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[Assistant] This kid got a full ride through USC. Listen, all Bronny James gotta do is win a sixth man of the year and they got the best duo. Uh, you left out the Currys?


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[Assistant] That was awesome. Yeah, cool. He said, oh, listen, he had a, he had a, uh, uh, Deshaun Watson, this again. I heard it in the, in the second or third bar. He said he, uh, he was practicing.


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[Assistant] He would be great. Because yeaah. He'll be kind of mediocre like this football player. No, he'll be crazy. Because he'll actually say who he don't like. That's true.


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[Assistant] Uh, spent some time with my cousin. Shout out to my cousin Terry, who got married, had his wedding reception Saturday.


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[Assistant] I spent some time with my children. It was a great time.


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[Assistant] So you feel the same way, Earl? I'll say that that's part of it, because... Really? You don't know who you run across. Let's just be honest, there's some people who are racist, some people are not.


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[Assistant] And you don't want to do anything that's going to fit that stereotype or that status quo of you. But a few things for me when it comes to tips.


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[Assistant] If a waiter or a waitress walks up and they introduce themselves and they tell me their name, okay, now I'm finna overtip you.


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[Assistant] If you are attentive to me without me having to call you over to my table, then yeaah, I'ma make sure I tip you, but...


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[Assistant] I'm the same way, like I just gotta make sure I'm handling mobbies.


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[Assistant] I think I would go Miles 3rd, Jose, Miles 3rd, Evan Mobley 2nd, I would go Deshaun Watson 1st.


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[Assistant] Two, uh, Bush Series Championships, man. Collectively, they have the most super speedway wins of any driver in NASCAR history. Shout out to the Earnhards, man.


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[Assistant] I know, like, he's still in college, but is it too early to put Marvin Harrison and Marvin Harrison Jr. on the list?


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[Assistant] Once it bad, you don't think you can remove- It can't leave the station, you know that, right?


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[Assistant] It took three months, and the biggest starship the UNSC could throw at it just to relocate it here. Unless you're a lot stronger than you look. It's not going anywhere.


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[Assistant] Sadiq made me do the same. Sadiq didn't put me in prison. No? And here you are behind bars. My guess is he's the reason.


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[Assistant] And I said, Frank, what's wrong? Cause I could hear it in his voice.


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[Assistant] Michael, Bernie Madoff, I say died.


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[Assistant] Well, Saul, his father-in-law had been doing it. He gave Frank a piece and I got a piece when I became a partner. It was only about two and a half million in the account. That was big money to me. We were only taking a small clip off the top.


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[Assistant] It's all it was. Couldn't take more. We thought that was the rule.


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[Assistant] And we never were pigs. That's one thing that kept us going. We were never pigs. We were never pigs.


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[Assistant] How do you, uh, split an atom? I know that you can split them. I don't know how you do it.


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[Assistant] How does an airplane fly? I don't ask. Did you ask him? Never!


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[Assistant] Something with arbitrage between bonds and stocks and blah blah blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] I always said I never lifted any heavy weights. People said to me,


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[Assistant] Even recently, oh you must have worked very hard. I said no I didn't.


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[Assistant] Oh come on, I said no I didn't. I never worked hard.


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[Assistant] We were like an airplane. An airplane, you know, flies itself. But if you make a mistake in your calculations, oh boy, you do a John Denver. You run out of fuel.


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[Assistant] Why am I so fortunate? And then I came up with the answer. My wife and I came up with the answer. God wanted us to have this. God gave us this.


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[Assistant] We had doubts, and we passed them on to Bernie in meetings, and he said, listen to me, okay? I know the biggest lawyers on Wall Street, and I've told them about this and they say it's okay.


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[Assistant] Guys who work for my father-in-law, you're a client of my firm, that's all you are.


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[Assistant] I like to be licensed. I was a licensed CPA. So why didn't you just get yourself licenses? Because you just can't do that, because Bernie didn't want us to.


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[Assistant] So Bernie is calling the shots here. Oh, of course he is. Always was. I was always, we were always captive to him. He owned us.


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[Assistant] They came over the SCC and they talked and they looked and they looked and they talked and we said, you know,


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[Assistant] To Bernie, we gotta do something. This is not gonna be good. We just can't sit here.


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[Assistant] He says, yeaah, you're right. Let me recommend an attorney, Ira Sorkin, who used to be with the SEC.


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[Assistant] All of a sudden in November, the SEC said,


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[Assistant] Game over. We're closing you down. Sign the consent decree or we'll run you into court.


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[Assistant] And it's all your fault, Bernie. Damn you, it's your fault. Because we asked you, should we be registered? Should we get registered? We were willing to do it, we were willing to pay any lawyer, any fee, and you said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And you assured us, big shot, that, that we were fine, we were just investors. When you knew damn well we weren't. Afterwards, I got there and he says, look, I'm,


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[Assistant] I heard enough from you, now I want you to stop. You're starting to get to me. Very low, very cool.


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[Assistant] Just a very scared person. And let's forget what I said and go on with this. I apologize.


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[Assistant] And I wanted to run away and hide in a cave.


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[Assistant] I didn't worry about Bernie or Ernie or Sid, the kid. I was not interested. I just didn't want my name in the paper again. One day once, and that was enough for me.


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[Assistant] If they called me, I said, listen, the only advice I can give you is call Bernie if you want to get in. I don't know if he'll take you. Or call Michael Sullivan. No. Absolutely not.


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[Assistant] It's not so, and that's what really bugs me. But you've got people saying that they were advised. I don't care what people saying, they're lying.


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[Assistant] Funny thing though, because uh, like, take you behind a glass a little bit, you know, when we do the social, social clips.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we tag who said what. You know what I always tag Jason?


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[Assistant] All right, so we was putting some show content together yesterday. PFF have released another ranking that we're going to argue about.


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[Assistant] And this one is specified the best defensive player per position in the AFC. Uh, Steve, you can take tackboard four and they named Miles Garrett the best edge rusher in the AFC.


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[Assistant] So, just to, you know, throw some names out there, I threw TJ Watt out there, Joey Bosa, I'm pretty sure some others that I didn't think about.


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[Assistant] Like, definitively, is Miles Garrett the best edge rusher in the AMC?


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[Assistant] Let me toss all this at y'all. First of all, I think I'm inclined to agree with Jason here. I think there is another gear, there's another level that he needs to get to, to be, to get that respect as the quote unquote best overall. Uhm, I feel like the helmet incident,


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[Assistant] Kind of holds him back a little bit when you, when you talk about the love hate relationship. And I also feel like that, you know, there was no player comps, but it seems like to me, Bruce Smith is the guy that he's aiming for.


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[Assistant] It's like that's the ghost that he's chasing. You see Bruce Smith being the one who-


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[Assistant] enters him into the mad 99 club. You see Bruce Smith being the one who he talks about working with a lot, trying to perfect his game. So all, all things considered with that, I think, uhm, you go back to that 2017 draft and the Browns was coming off a 0-16 season.


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[Assistant] I think the expectations wasn't that high, but any expectation that was there, I think he's exceeded it.


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[Assistant] So as before we shift gears here to put a bow on this.


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[Assistant] As I'm hearing this conversation take place, I think for me...


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[Assistant] If Miles Garrett had 13 sacks and let's say he added on 20 more pressures, but


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[Assistant] Four or five other defensive linemen had about 10 sacks this year. I'll take that over a 20 sack season or Miles Garrett breaking the sack record.


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[Assistant] All right, so on this, this, this loaded football Thursday, there's been a lot of talk in Cleveland over the last couple of months that, which I don't agree with, that, uh, this is Nick Chubbs last year playing for the Cleveland Browns. We've had conversations among ourselves about the salary cap and eventually the Browns are going to have to make some tough decisions. So I got to thinking.


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[Assistant] More than likely, who is playing their last season for the Cleveland Browns? Is it Nick Chubb, Wyatt Teller, Donovan Peoples Jones, or other? Gee?


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[Assistant] Everything that you want in a player plan for the Cleveland Browns. When Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry took this job, what did they say? They wanted guys that were smart, tough, and accountable.


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[Assistant] And Nick Chubb fits the definition of all three of those bullet points, right?


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[Assistant] And then we talk about, we just did a segment on the core five players. Nick Chubb was on that list. When I look at Nick Chubb, I think about the things that he impact off the football field. I think about his presence in the locker room. I think about his energy around his teammates. I think about.


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[Assistant] Just all the camaraderie and all the chemistry and everything that he embodies with the city of Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Nick Tubb is one of those dudes that I think is a very special back. I'm talking like Adrian Peterson, LaDani and Tomlinson type of special. And this will probably be my first big bowl prediction on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. At the end of the season, Nick Tubb is going to get a contract at snitching. He's not going anywhere. I don't disagree.


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[Assistant] So let me ask you this though. What type of message is it sending if you cut Nick Chubb because of his salary number? Like, what type of message is that overall sending out to the fan base or sending to the rest of the players in the locker room if everything comes down to somebody's salary cap number? Never mind the other, the other ways that they can have an impact on the football team.


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[Assistant] Alright, so yeaah, it's definitely, I am being emotional, Jason is right about that, but I do think there is a human-


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[Assistant] I think there's a human element to this as well, right? I just think that the Haslund view...


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb, the person, uh, a little different than they might do every other player on his team. And I think they care about Nick Chubb, the person. But I understand the business side of it that hey, sometimes you gotta make the money work. And how I will make the money work, Wyatt Teller gotta go.


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[Assistant] Joe, Joe Bertoneo was older than Wyatt Teller. They both making around the same amount of money and nobody here is saying that the Browns is going to use him for a cap casualty.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but before we get to that topic, man, let's get this PCC read in. We did a couple poll results. Ooh.


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[Assistant] So go get your full benefit package, paid time off, signing bonuses, apply right now at precast.com slash careers to learn more. So we've got a couple of polls out here. Anthony put a poll up on the YouTube channel, uh, who's let, who's last season isn't in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] What's up DPJ Teller and all of the above being the options.


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[Assistant] Who came in second? Anthony, who came in second?


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[Assistant] It was Teller coming in second at uh, 33%.


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[Assistant] Alright, so next up, this is something that we talk about privately in our group chat.


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[Assistant] We all know First Energy Stadium is no more. It's back to the Cleveland Brown Stadium, but we just got finished talking about analytics, money, and business.


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[Assistant] I think we all agree that it's not going to be Cleveland Brown Stadium often. Oh, for much longer should I say. So if you were given the job to rename Cleveland Brown Stadium, what would you name it and why?


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[Assistant] It's just, these is crazy. I was laughing at Steve though. You know Sam Rutigliano.


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[Assistant] It's fun, family-friendly events all weekend long. Everybody featuring a new fan zone experience, free attendance for the kids and concerts every night.


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[Assistant] So we're still waiting on Bucky Brooks, uh, from NFL.com to join us. But, uh, Jason knows this. I think you all know this. For me, it's Sherwin Williams Field.


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[Assistant] I just think that Sherwin-Williams is a, is a staple in the city of Cleveland. Everybody see the new headquarters that's being, uh, built at public square. So clearly they're going to be here for a long time. And I think that when you, when you think of Cleveland staples, you think of the Browns, you think of companies like Sherwin-Williams, I think it'd be a perfect marriage.


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[Assistant] Hey Bucky, first off, man, thank you for joining us on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. You know, we professionals around here. We don't do a fan boy activity, but I got to give you your flowers. Uh, you're one of my, one of my favorite analysts, man. I have a lot of respect for your work. I can see the passion. I can see the integrity and goals into everything that you do. So it's an honor to have you on our show.


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[Assistant] Speaking of your work, can you tell us about the, uh, mood and sticks podcast? I haven't had a chance to watch the episode from, uh, or listen to the episode from yesterday about the top 10 corners, but how much fun are you having doing that podcast?


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[Assistant] That's right, man. That means the 12 o'clock lunch hour is brought to you by Carlin Companies Championships. Get to see your favorite golf legends play in the Carlin Companies Championships, July 12th through the 16th.


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[Assistant] At the famous Firestone Country Club, it's fun, family-friendly events all week long featuring a new fan's own experience, free attendance for kids and concerts every single night. This is something for everyone. Learn more at callitgolf.com.


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[Assistant] And of course, before we talk Cleveland guardians, this portion of the show is brought to you by the USFL. Make sure you get out there. It's only a few games left. I heard you get a what? $10 tickets, dollar dogs, dollar sodas. And of course you get to see our homeboy boogie, uh, out there doing this thing. So shout out to the USFL.


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[Assistant] We're out there discussing the Cleveland Guardians and the, uh, San Diego Padres.


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[Assistant] Me and the USS, uh, UCSS family and, and Anthony, we back here having some fun, paying it forward. I want to shout out Phil, KR Thunder, Cody, and Grand Dog.


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[Assistant] We have had 16 gifted memberships and the chatter is having fun trying to figure out who's finna pay it forward to next. Uh, but Cody is putting the UCSS, uh, staff on notice. Earl April is the only one who's gifted memberships from the team. So yeah, you're going.


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[Assistant] Here's our video to let people know what they get when you become a UCSS member.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's time for the ultimate five. And what I decided to do was put together who I think the all time NFL players are that are not a quarterback.


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[Assistant] He's a two-time Super Bowl champion. He's a Super Bowl MVP. He's a two-time, he's a 10-time All-Pro and a two-time Defensive Player of the Year. Steve, take it.


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[Assistant] Alright cool, let's move on to number four. He's a two time Super Bowl chap.


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[Assistant] He's an eight-time All-Pro, and he was the 1994 NFL Defensive Player of the Year. We just talked about him with Bucky Brooks. Steve, take it. Primetime, baby. Yeah. Primetime. I'm glad he's on my list, G. Yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] He's a three-time Super Bowl champion. He's a Super Bowl MVP. He's an NFL MVP. He's a two-time NFL offensive player of the year. Steve Taken.


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[Assistant] The original Goat, Jerry Rice. He had to be on there.


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[Assistant] He's a two time Super Bowl champion. Jason, I hope I'm four for four right here. He's an NFL MVP. He's a 10th time pro baller. He's a 10th time all pro player. He's a three time NFL defensive player of the year. I think he's the greatest defensive player to ever play in the NFL. Steve Taken is one, the original ALG.


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[Assistant] The number one all-time player that is not a quarterback. He's an NFL champion. He's a three-time NFL MVP. He's a non-time NFL All-Pro. He's a non-time Pro Bowler. He's the only player that's on the NFL 50th, 70th, 75th, and 100th anniversary team. He's the late great legend, Jim Brown. Yeah, that was a slam dunk.


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[Assistant] So I had to keep my personal bias out of it because I believe my, the all time list that I put together is totally different from my favorites list. Okay. Right. So if I would have.


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[Assistant] Been thinking with my heart, Randy Moss would have been on that list. Uh, Ed Reed probably would have been on that list. Rod Wilson would have been on that list. So it was a lot of guys that was clamoring from that, uh, fifth spot and I know


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[Assistant] Ray Lewis is not a proper popular choice here in Cleveland, but uh, he's that dude for real.


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[Assistant] Overtime is coming up next. Tell people the topic again. So the topic is, Big Nuggets has a nickname. I have a nickname, which is Pearl.


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[Assistant] And we gotta get the other guy that's behind the glass a nickname. He cannot just go by Anthony or Ant. We gotta spice this up a little bit. We sent it out there to the community tab, to the, to the UCSS members. We got 16 new UCSS members going there as fast as you can and drop a nickname suggestion for one, Anthony, the graphic man, Antonelli.


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[Assistant] To this point, obviously this year could be different. He has the least amount around him compared to some of those other guys. When you look at what T.J. Watt has next to him and Cam Hayward. Cam Hayward is really sort of an anchor to that defense on the defensive line and those guys I think really sort of help feed off each other.


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[Assistant] Just physical, pure grit, strength, talent, ability. Nobody bends like Miles. Nobody's as strong as Miles. Uh, yeaah, it's Miles. Now having said that, I do think there's another gear in there, and we've talked about that. He's, he's gotta find it. And I think this is the system for him to find it. If he's ever gonna get there,


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[Assistant] This is the year and this is the system, I think, with the help that they have around him now with the Jim Schwartz style. Part of the reason that they chose Jim Schwartz to run this defense was they felt like it was the best fit for Miles Garrett and Miles Garrett, uh, to sort of unleash him and make sure that he can reach his full potential. So if he's ever going to get there, this is the year it's going to happen.


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[Assistant] Physique. When you look at him and you see he's, he's built, he's just chiseled the way that he's built. It's incredible.


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[Assistant] And like I said earlier, the way that he can bend and the way that he can move on the field.


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[Assistant] And then he does, it does feel, Mike, like you said earlier, like he vanishes at times in games. And I think that's the frustrating part. And maybe it's out of sheer exhaustion, the fact that he's facing so many double teams, that very well may be it. But there's times where you expect him to be more impactful and he's just not. And I think that's the other gear I'm talking about. And I think that's what you're alluding to where


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[Assistant] When you talk like in NBA terms in the way that there's always these comps, I don't know that that really happens in the NFL because of injuries and for whatever other reason.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't recall, maybe I'm wrong and correct me someone if I am, but I don't recall like...


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[Assistant] He's another Bruce Smith. He's another Reggie White. He came here under the presumption that


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[Assistant] He's this monster, physical freak, this incredibly strong guy, who is a terror coming off the edge, who has an injury history, that was the thought coming in, and, you know, where's the motor? Now the motor's proven to be fine, like his motor's fine.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I don't recall any big, like, great comps when he first came.


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[Assistant] It all runs together. He was, uh, he was, he was 0 and 16. 0 and 16. I think.


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[Assistant] Well, I think that's the way it should be because your plays are impacting winning. Yeah. I mean, you pointed out you can have a ton of sacks and still not win, but you're generally going to gravitate to the teams that are having the most success. And that's where you're going to look at for postseason awards.


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[Assistant] That's a different standard. And that's his career high. His career high is 16 sacks. So I guess for me to say 17 is unfair.


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[Assistant] I don't want to get too caught up also in numbers. Cause I just looked it up. Micah Parsons had 13 and a half sacks. He had less than miles. But it feels like his sacks were more impactful. It came at bigger moments. I would take, I would take 13 or 14 sacks for miles with a big strip sack in the fourth quarter when the game's online. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] And, and that's where I think some of what we feel like has been missing. He's provided some of those, but it feels like there's more opportunities there. And I would, I'll trade pure empty numbers. I'll trade a first quarter sack for a fourth quarter turnover.


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[Assistant] See what I'm saying? Jason? Could I go D all of the above? Because I think it's likely that all three of them are playing the last season in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] I think it's a big, I think it's a big year for Wyatt. He didn't have a very good year last year. I think the calf played into that, the calf injury.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of pressure on him this year because of the cap number, because, you know, I've said it before, when you're paying your quarterback $50 million, it's a luxury that you can't necessarily afford to pay your guards, you know, $35 million combined. So you're going to have to make a choice there, and Petonio has been so steady, obviously Wyatt's younger, but Petonio has been so steady throughout his career, I don't see how you make that move.


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[Assistant] DPJ, I think a lot of that depends on Cedric Tillman and what Tillman looks like. If there's, if you think that there's a path for him to have an expanded role going forward, it could easily be Donovan's last year. And I do tend to think that this is Nick Chubb's last year. Really? Yeah, I do. For ca, for cap reasons and for everything else and for the fact that this is a Deshaun Watson offense going forward.


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[Assistant] I think you could easily make the case that all three of these guys, it's their last year in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] They already know. It's a business. Like they already know. We've seen this with other teams. This is a very analytically run team front office franchise. And I think that they're going to look at the value versus the money versus the production you can get from somebody else.


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[Assistant] And when you're looking, I agree with everything you guys have said about Nick in terms of what he means to the franchise, the city, everything. He does everything the right way. He's everything you want.


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[Assistant] But when you're sitting there crunching numbers, and you're looking at the lines, and you're looking at what makes sense and what doesn't, when you're paying your quarterback 50 million dollars, you gotta give. And I think that's one of the things, I just think that's one of the things it's gonna give. Now, if Jerome Ford is an absolute flop this year,


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[Assistant] You know, maybe we have a different conversation. If they bring in a veteran back who busts this year, you know, whatever. But the way it's trending, I absolutely think it's a possibility that this is last year.


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[Assistant] Just for the record, Bill was right. On Bernie. He was right.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm emotional. I think both of you, I think Earl and G are being, are talking with your heart and your emotions on this and not with the analytically driven brain of the Browns. And first, if the Browns have the type of season that we all think they're capable of having,


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[Assistant] Moving on from Nick would be a lot, would be received a lot differently. If they make a deep playoff run, and you're gonna have a little bit more trust in what they're doing, a little bit more faith in what they're doing, if Jerome Ford shows something, you're gonna have a little bit more faith in this.


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[Assistant] Is there a number out there that works? Okay. I mean, he's going to have to swallow a lot of value, which he's done once, but I don't know if he's, I don't know. We want the Jose Ramirez deal.


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[Assistant] I think when you look at the value of 15 carries, whatever it is, divided by the amount of money you're paying him, versus what you could get on a different contract for those 15 carries, I just, I think it's probably


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[Assistant] Nobody's saying get rid of Nick Chubb. Nobody's saying that.


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[Assistant] I could also, while they looked that up, I could also make the case that DBJ's back. If Tillman looks like there's nothing there, and Donovan has a great year, and, and, and,


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[Assistant] Well, I, I didn't take this in the let's have fun and get creative way. I just took this. Earl texted me a few weeks ago and said, what do you think it's going to be? And I said,


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[Assistant] Arena. Arena. Nah, arena, but stadium or whatever. Here's that. It's one piece of footage we have of Jimmy walking through the owner's meeting.


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[Assistant] That's funny. Had I known, I would have shot a video for you guys at the owner's meetings on my iPhone of him walking by. Just so we could spice it up a little bit.


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[Assistant] There's a reason Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse is called Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse. It's because, you know, Dan owns them. And I just, for me, it's just, it's too natural. Now, if Jimmy wants, he certainly doesn't need the money, but if he wants to sell it out to Progressive Field, obviously not them because they have the baseball stadium already, but someone like that.


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[Assistant] You could do that, but it just makes too much sense to me to be Pilot Flying J Stadium or Pilot Stadium or something, something along those lines.


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[Assistant] I think the problem, cause I've seen this before, I think the problem with naming it Jim Brown Stadium, you can't come back from that.


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[Assistant] The old stadium was Cleveland Municipal Stadium. That was the old stadium.


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[Assistant] It's not bad. Of the companies that would be in the bidding,


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[Assistant] I don't know that they are quite big enough, I guess maybe they are, to be able to write that size of a check. You know, I thought the Cleveland Clinic, but University Hospitals is a partner.


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[Assistant] So I don't know that they would cross allegiance and I don't know, University Hospitals wants its naming on, I don't know, uh, but that would be another one, but, uh, Pilot Flying J just makes too much sense to me.


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[Assistant] Business leaders, when I talk to even sports executives in this town, like, that's what we need. We need more companies to...


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[Assistant] Bring headquarters here to bring, to bring jobs here. And I even, I asked, was talking to Jimmy and Dee about that at the owner's meetings a couple months ago. And he kind of laughed and said, well, I don't think we're bringing pilot here, but they have done quite a bit in the business world, uh, in terms of trying to help Cleveland. We've talked about developing the waterfront and everything else like that.


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[Assistant] No. I thought there was one, maybe I'm mistaken, I thought there was one in Avon.


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[Assistant] I want to talk about asking about Myles Garrett. We spent about 20 minutes talking about Myles at the start of the show.


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[Assistant] It just feels sometimes like there's another gear that he has to get to.


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[Assistant] Or is that being unfair to him because he's such a terrific player already?


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[Assistant] So when you mention all these teams and all these quarterbacks, somebody's going to fall, somebody's going to not meet expectations. Is there a team in your mind in the AFC that is most vulnerable to disappoint?


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[Assistant] Bucky, I'm just wondering, obviously it feels like there's a lot of pressure on everybody in Cleveland to win this year. Kevin Stefanski, Andrew Berry, there could be a lot of changes if this thing goes sideways.


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[Assistant] Around the league, what's the view of Kevin in terms of a head coach? I've become sort of the Kevin apologist. I really like him. I think he's really good. I think he's gotten the most you can get out of the quarterbacks he's been given. But I'm just wondering the temperature of him around the league, how's he viewed?


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[Assistant] When you're talking about roster building and turning great players into a great team, they're going to the Greenbrier in West Virginia for a week or so at the start of camp. How much of that is hokey, silly, and how much of that can legitimately help the culture?


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[Assistant] Well I don't want to say this earlier because of the bingo card drink, I'm going to mention LeBron. Even though I don't ever mention LeBron, everybody else brings him up to me. This time I will mention him.


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[Assistant] That's what he always got annoyed about because I remember I went at him in Indiana before in the playoff games his last year. And I said, you're not giving that like you're pouting over the roster on what it is, but you're not giving that. And I know it when I see it and you're not giving it in this series. And he said, it's cause I spoil y'all.


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[Assistant] You know, part of this also, I think San Diego is supposed to be one of the best teams in the league, and I think they're starting to feel themselves a little bit. I think they've won five of six now and seven of ten, and they are playing better. Awaka was good last night, although let's not make Michael Awaka out to be.


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[Assistant] It's good to see him. He's not great. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's frustrating to watch these guys right now. There's no question. Just when you think they get their legs under them.


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[Assistant] No, I'm, I'm not, I'm not convinced. I just think this is one of those years where it just seems everything is just going against you. And it's hard, it's hard for me to sit here today and say they're going to win the division. But having said that, Tito's teams play their best ball in July and August.


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[Assistant] So I still think the best is yet to come. Whatever that is, whatever form that takes, whatever that looks like for this team, I do think their best is in front of them still because just historically speaking that's how it's always gone. But it's hard to feel like this team has any sort of run in them. At this point it is what it is.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's been 70 plus years since they won a World Series. Every year should be this is the year to try and win the World Series. Every year. It's, you know, seven decades later.


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[Assistant] But I do wonder if payroll plays into expectations with this team because, I mean, the Cavs a couple years ago, it was championship or bust. There's no doubt about it. If you don't win a championship, it is a disappointment.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know that it's championship or bust with the Browns, but it's just playoffs. And with the Guardians, it's always viewed differently. And I think because baseball is its own beast with 162 games and with the fact that


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[Assistant] It's a little bit harder to make the postseason. I know it feels like the Guardians make the playoffs every year, but they really don't.


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[Assistant] Uh, the White Sox should be better than what they are. The Tigers used to spend a ton of money, they really don't anymore. The Twins are what they are.


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[Assistant] But I, and I think that you look at the Guardians and you go, well they can't really compete with the Yankees and the Dodgers and these big spending teams. But yet you look at what the Rays are doing.


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[Assistant] With a young roster in a smaller payroll, so it is possible, but I just don't think that we ever really view, I mean in the 90s we did, in the 90s it was, the expectation was the World Series.


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[Assistant] But it just hasn't felt that way. I agree for the last 20 or so years, it hasn't felt like it's championship or bust with the Guardians and I think there's a lot of factors that go into that.


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[Assistant] Well, I think, I think the game seven loss in 2016 was a gut punch to true guardians fans. There's a lot of Cleveland sports fans who are just Cleveland sports fans who were like, we had the calves, you know, sucks they lost, but we just, we just came off a championship celebration.


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[Assistant] But the true heart, like then there's hardcore Guardians fans who are devastated by 2016.