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[Assistant] And uh, last super chat comes from our Mac dog. He said, I agree with your guys assessment. 100% of the calves are winning in spite of JB's coaching. Do you guys think Kevin Ali would be a better fit for the calves? Do you think JB is the championship coach?


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[Assistant] Did you see the shot last night? Did you see the shot last night?


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[Assistant] But I had brought it into the house on the day it was snowing because I had my son and his friend in the backseat, whatever. So okay, so today I have the shirt ready to go, but I never put it in the car.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, I didn't realize it until I got off the highway in downtown Cleveland. The second I got off the highway, I was like, oh damn, I forgot the shirt. And it was like 1030, what time did I call you Mike? 1030? 1032. So it was 1032. I get off the highway on Superior, for those who know, if you're going, uh, east,


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[Assistant] Getting off on Superior on 90. The only way to get back on is to immediately, you make a left turn onto Superior, then immediately make another left. So I had just made the left, I called Mike, I'm like, Mike, decide right now, I do the shirt with a hoodie, or I drive home, maybe be five minutes late.


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[Assistant] And go get my button down shirt. He's like, I'm like, you gotta tell me right now. He's like, go home. We're like, alright. So I make the left. I get back on the highway. I call my wife.


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[Assistant] I'm like, sweetie, get my shirt, get in the car, call me when you're on 90 and we'll get off the highway somewhere and meet.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't want to be late. I take pride in never being late. You never lived in town if you were late. Exactly. Especially because Mike was busting my balls yesterday about are you going to be in vacation mode, which I don't do. I don't believe in that.


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[Assistant] And he texted me kind of joking, hey, stay focused till one o'clock, I know you're on vacation, which, listen, I'm enjoying what I'm doing, so I'm focused. So.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I, I look at, I'm like, alright, take me, I, I'm like, it's gonna take me ten minutes from here, ten, twelve minutes maybe. And it was, uh, ten forty-three at that point, or forty-four. I'm like, Mike, I'm gonna make it, ten fifty-five, and I was here exactly ten. In fact, I still beat Gene. I still beat Gene Bush by about ten seconds.


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[Assistant] That's how I got here. That's how I got here. It is a sweet jacket. So Jason, who was, uh, in Arizona, I believe at this time yesterday. Yeah. Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] And part of the reason those guys lead off on those teams is because those lineups are deeper, so you're not going to lose RBI's. Whereas the Guardians line up, you're not going to give them any RBI opportunities batting lead off. But anyway, we'll get more to that later. Jay's going to join us for spring training. There's plenty to talk about. But let's go to Mikey McManus.


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[Assistant] Uh, for me guys, that's 100% yes, obviously. And he's older, so you, you know, you want to be careful how many years you guarantee.


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[Assistant] But this guy has proven he's an impact player on a championship team.


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[Assistant] Uh, he would, I mean he'd make a massive difference for the Browns.


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[Assistant] Alright, we gotta get here because we're starting already.


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[Assistant] We gotta get, G. Bush and Earl are already laying the groundwork for uninspiring play for Deshaun Watson and I don't like it. I don't like what I'm hearing.


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[Assistant] I mean, I would actually want him even more than Chris Jones because he's younger. Yeah. I mean, Chris Jones is more of a proven entity. Well, this guy's just reaching his stardom, I think.


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[Assistant] I, obviously I'd, I'd back up the truck for either of them. But if I had to choose, I'd actually take him out of BK, because I don't care how much guaranteed money I get. He's gonna, he's, I know, I, well, I'm confident he's gonna be very good for the next four or five years.


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[Assistant] A Dalvin Tomlinson type guy doesn't make any sense for the Browns. What do you mean? Because you can't spend that kind of money


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[Assistant] That doesn't make sense. That's not a position where I can't, I can't, Dalvin Tomlinson is a good solid defensive tackle. He's not a game changer. He's not those guys. So if I'm going to spend big on another defensive tackle, it's a superstar or I'll just get a solid guy.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I'm not, I don't want the tier two type of defensive tackle. I can't, I can't spend that kind of money on two tier two defensive tackles.


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[Assistant] You look at it, I look at his, he's just, he's not the back he was when he first came in the league.


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[Assistant] When Nick Chubb first came in the league, I don't know if their line was that good besides Joe Thomas. I mean... Maybe Vittonio, that's about it. I mean, he's played, to be honest, some pretty good lines. Here's what I'm saying. But you know what? If the Giants' line's so bad, then why did Barclay put up those big numbers his first two years? They weren't good that year.


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[Assistant] To me, watching him, you know, I watch the Giants every week, but I watch them enough. He just, to me, doesn't have that same burst and explosiveness that he had in his first couple years.


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[Assistant] That's it. Especially when I think, even if I want to go that veteran route,


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[Assistant] Like, I could get an Austin Eckler and a Joe Mixon way cheaper than I could get Barclay, and I'm not sure there's much of a difference.


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[Assistant] He's a no-brainer, and here's why. First, not only is he really good, he's missed three games in his career in five years. That's it.


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[Assistant] He's played all but three games in his career. Now he had his second lowest sack total this year, but he had nothing around him in Carolina. And teams were running a lot.


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[Assistant] Uh, but, but he's never had less than seven and a half sacks in five years in the league, including his rookie year, seven and a half sacks. He's played mostly with lousy talent around him. Uh, this guy's a no-brainer and he's young. He's, I think he's just gonna turn 26 next month or in April.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so he's about turn 26. Prime of his career. Those are the guys to target. Yep. Those are the hardest ones to find.


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[Assistant] And Burns, unlike the other, the other defensive players we talked about, as you said, is gonna get the free agency most likely. He would be a guy worth, like, realistically going crazy for. Ugh.


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[Assistant] Even though Brian Burns is probably a slightly better end than T. Higgins is a wide receiver, but it's close. I take T. Higgins, it's an offensive game.


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[Assistant] The Cavs can't roll with Paxson. That doesn't mean that Deshaun Watson shouldn't be able to make players better around him which he hasn't so far.


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[Assistant] Because I would get really excited. Nobody else. He's the only one. I'd take Burns over Ridley. I'd take Burns over Marquis Brown. Yeaah, I agree with that. Jason, where are you on Burns versus Mike Evans? I think that's the tough one. If you had to choose between the two. How old's Mike Evans?


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[Assistant] I think I'd go Evans, if I had to choose.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I would go Burns, like I said, over Ridley and Marquise Brown. I think that's a, a notch below. Yea, oh, I would take Evans over Ridley.


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[Assistant] You know, especially when you're desperate, and in a way...


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[Assistant] Both those organizations at that time felt very desperate. They knew they had really good deans. And what did they do?


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[Assistant] The Cubs and Garth, and Indians traded for Aroldis Chapman and Andrew Miller respectively. They said, forget it. Both teams traded good prospects. The Cubs traded even better prospects.


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[Assistant] And they said, we have to win now. This is our chance. And that's in baseball where


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[Assistant] In football you can lock it up even more because it is less, uh, randomness to who wins the championship in football.


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[Assistant] To me, you have to be 100% all in. Like, if I had to give up another couple of first round picks to get a great wide receiver right now?


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[Assistant] I'd do that. I'd do whatever it took to be good this year. Now there's no-


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[Assistant] We haven't talked about wide receivers in the trade front. I know we're not on wide receivers right now.


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[Assistant] I don't want to get into that because his trade proposal, what he told me yesterday was the most absurd thing I've ever heard in my life.


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[Assistant] And if they were going to do it, they weren't going to do it for Greg Newsome. Sorry, Earl.


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[Assistant] I don't think the Bills are trading Stefan Diggs. There's no way Philly's trading AJ Brown. There's no way the Bengals are trading Chase. Jefferson's not getting traded.


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[Assistant] Most of the top quarterbacks are top 40 picks. You know, either first round or early second round. It's the same thing at receiver. Most of them are top 40 picks.


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[Assistant] I thought he was actually older than that. He's a monster.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen's better than Brian Burns, isn't he? Yes.


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[Assistant] In a La La Land where I don't have to worry about cap, yes. I mean, I guess I just said that. I mean, he's a, he's a fantastic player. And I don't, I think their safeties are overrated. So I would, but uhm.


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[Assistant] I think he's probably the only one that makes sense for them if you consider what they need and half those guys are not going to make it to free agency. That's the other part of it, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Team Ohio has nothing. Travis Kelsey, that's it. Uh, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Oh, is what? Oh, I forgot. Oh, I was thinking. Okay, so the quarterback's Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] We gotta go with two running backs because there's no good receivers.


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[Assistant] So, right, so we'll go David Montgomery and Kareem Hunt.


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[Assistant] Right, and then you go Kareem on the second running back, go Travis, Kelsey.


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[Assistant] The best wide receiver in the NFL right now that's from, that's from Ohio is probably Paris Campbell.


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[Assistant] But, uh, and I guess maybe we get, you know, and Ohio thinks had more players from out of state in recent years. So a lot of their big names. Ohio still does, I think we're either fifth or sixth in most NFL players, but all the good ones are on defense or the offensive line.


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[Assistant] Steph Curry. Somebody says, uh, Nick, Steve says how does Team Georgia not have Nick Chubb?


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[Assistant] If you take your, your, if you take your emotions out, if you ask every team in the league, who'd you rather have today, Alvin Kamara or Nick Chubb, you'd take Alvin Kamara.


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[Assistant] Chubs haven't coming off an injury. So maybe that was why. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Kamara, listen, chubbin' his best is better than Kamara, but not by a lot. Kamara's a really good back.


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[Assistant] I guess anybody. 13 and a half is the line. Oh, that wouldn't even be close. I think they'd be favored by 40.


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[Assistant] Who, who is defending Lam, Jefferson, and Chase? Travis.


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[Assistant] Okay, well real quick, you know who would be excited to, to be the coach of team Washington D.C. is Brad, because you know who's from Washington D.C. Carmelo Antony. There you go.


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[Assistant] Russ? Where is Cle- I didn't even realize Kevin Thompson was still in the league. Uh, Kevin Love. Where- is he playing for Miami? No.


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[Assistant] Last, yesterday Mike asked the question, Jason, are the Cavs, were the Cavs before last night's game, obviously, more likely to go 25-4 the rest of the year, or 10-19? And we all said, they're more likely to go 25-4 than 10-19, even though neither was likely.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. They're playing a lot of games in not that many days. They were pretty awful yesterday, although Orlando shot the hell out of the ball yesterday too.


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[Assistant] I get this one day. I mean, any teams, but you don't prove you're overrated, you don't prove you're not overrated to the playoffs. First of all, who's Colin Diamond Mitchell overrated?


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[Assistant] Judge what this team would be without Donovan Mitchell based on one game. Especially the first game coming out of the break. Right, because...


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[Assistant] Nobody wants them to be without Mitchell, but in theory, if they were next year without Mitchell,


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[Assistant] You would hope that Evan Mobley would have a totally different game. We don't know. So to judge it based on one game this year, that's


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[Assistant] I'm not closer to knowing one game. But, but gee, if, if there was no, in theory, if there was no Donovan Mitchell,


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[Assistant] And first of all, he's coming off an injury. How many games has he played? I mean, like six games?


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[Assistant] I mean, it's not enough of a sample size, and he's getting used to a new system that the other guys have been playing for months. And he, he better, he gotta catch up, bro.


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[Assistant] And that's why you have the regular season for him to figure it out before the playoffs. Because there's no arguing that they're a better team with Darius Garland than without him when it comes to the playoff time. Yeaah, good. They beat up on all the scrubby teams. They mostly beat bad teams without those guys. Mostly.


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[Assistant] Get in their face about being aggressive. Is that, is that just, you know, is that up to the player to do it?


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[Assistant] What, you know, they were terrible and then she became the pitcher and then all of a sudden everybody else played better too.


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[Assistant] Every time she pitched. But every once in a while, they'd throw Rudy Stein back on the mound and the other guy stunk again every time he was pitching. That's a good player. Elevates the talent around him. Yea, that's right. There you go.


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[Assistant] I love Austin Hedges for that. I love that he kept it real. By the way, I've made it clear. I got zero problem with him being the backup catcher and I know he's a good locker room guy. I just don't didn't want him to be a starter here.


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[Assistant] So the doctor said, use, you know, have a sucking candy, blah, blah, blah. So he, I said, which one you want? He goes, Jolly Rancher. I said, okay, fine. So I bought a bag of them. And then Aaron goes, hey dad, look at the slogan on the Jolly Rancher bag. It's kind of sus. Are you looking at it?


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[Assistant] Well, we were watching the first two episodes of the new live version of Avatar the Last Airbender. Are you into that?


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[Assistant] Yes. Okay. Now listen, now what's the idea? We had time?


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[Assistant] By the way, before the season, there were a lot of people here that thought that too. Let's be fair. And Elijah Moore is just a guy. Let's face it, he's just a guy.


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[Assistant] This was low-key Jason. Yeaah, alright. Yeaah, he didn't really say anything bad. Go ahead, that's fair.


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[Assistant] Who? Like what players specifically? Anybody famous?


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[Assistant] Coming up, we're moving to WKYC Channel 3. Uh, we got a lot to get through there, so we'll see ya! Peace!


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[Assistant] So, uh, out of high school, I had ended up going to a small D2 school. You know, that was the only school I could get into at the time. My grades, they was... Man, they were messed up. They were messed up, yeaah. So I ended up doing that and then...


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[Assistant] I ain't never played defense, bruh, but, you know what I'm sayin', I come play safety for real, like it don't matter. I don't mind hittin'.


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[Assistant] So I started playing safety then, and then I was paying for school all the way to Iowa from Georgia. Know what I'm saying? My momma was sending me money. Walmart to Walmart. Oh, I ain't got no way to go to Walmart.


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[Assistant] So after that, uh, I was like, man, I can't even keep paying for this. So I was like, I'm just gonna go back to the crib and do construction with my dad. So at that time I'm like doing wheelbarrows stuff, like carrying all the rocks and we planting trees in people yards, concrete. I'm just doing all the small work though. He was like, man, you don't even need to be out here. I was like, bruh, I don't want to be here.


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[Assistant] So then I end up talking to Coach Abbott, who's a safety coach at Butler at the time. And he was like, bro, we'll give you a full scholarship. And then she was-


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[Assistant] Yeah, so by the time I got to Butler, that was yeaah, 2018, so I was about 22, yeaah, about 22, 23. And then, uh, shoot, it went up from there. Man, I had offers from almost every D1 school in the country. And then I found they was like, bruh, your timeline, you can't go. I'd had to appeal to the NCAA. And then, the way it is,


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[Assistant] So I was like, I say, I always say, I feel like that was my, that was my road. It was meant to be my road.


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[Assistant] Cause I had went to the East-West Shrine game, and Jeff Howard was the safety, yeaah, he was the safety coach at the East-West Shrine game. And I was like, I'm already running their defense, so I might as well go there.


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[Assistant] I would say when you got a big dream, uh, when you accomplish small things, make them feel big.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? Cause I had a big dream, but...


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[Assistant] To everybody else, it was super big, but to me, it was small. Like into the league, I'm like, that's small. Cause I already know, when I accomplish like, going to college, I was like, bruh, I don't want to college. Like, can't nobody tell me nothing. I'm that guy. So always feeling like I was that guy every time I made any type of progress. Cause you know, you always gonna go through something.


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[Assistant] But if you can override it with the positivity of doing the little stuff right, you won't even realize, like bruh, I was damn bad. Like I looked bad, I was like bruh, I was damn bad.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? You might have somebody that just got killed not too long ago. One of your homeboys. But when you get out there on that field. That's your escape from reality. That's your escape from everything. So somebody saying that they distracted out there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, my mama, I was at one point, I couldn't even go outside to play.


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[Assistant] I made you stay this lane and then you continued it on your own when you realized like, oh, this is the lane that could put me somewhere else and get me out of the situation in the area that I'm in. So, I shout out, shout out Monduce, man.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, so when I first got there, I'm like, you know, I'm looking back on they past games when they gave me the iPad. And I'm like, let's see what happens.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so we just got an iPad, so I'm looking over all the games and I'm like, they ain't really just getting that many turnovers for real. Like, Browns ain't just getting that many turnovers. So I'm like, to make the team, I know what I gotta do. I get the ball. Can't nobody stop me from denying you.


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[Assistant] So I told Coach Howard, I was like, man, build me a whole cut-up.


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[Assistant] Of every fumble of the whole season last year, like every fumble, like every punch out, every interception, everything. So I'm going home watching all this. I'm like alright, I see what these boys see now. So them preseason games came, first win. And the crazy part about that play, I messed up. But they don't know that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and then they ended up the Bears game. Shoot, I seen that opportunity. Somebody had his legs wrapped up. I punched it out again. So that was my first year. I had two fumbles and three games. Man, I'm out there trying to get that ball. Young peanut. Yea, young peanut.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think he'll be able to bounce back. One thing about Deshaun, man, he don't really let too much distract him. Like I was saying, people that can just lock in and phase on what they got to phase on. Cause think about all he had to endure trying to come back, you know, you trying to be the player that you was and all the other stuff going on. So I feel like for him,


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[Assistant] Next year will be like a clearer view of alright, some of this is behind, like it's older now. So now it's not even in the back of my mind like it was before. So I think that'll help him endure the whole next season. And he always like that silent captain.


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[Assistant] That's how, that's how he, you know, he, he bring his energy to the team. That's his, that's how, that's how he is. So even in practice, you know what I'm saying? He's, he in practice. You know what I'm saying? That's what he's supposed to do. So.


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[Assistant] Y'all think we, we made it to the league too now. We made it too. You know what I'm saying? We put on our cleats and pads too. We all ain't just out here just getting paid just to stand out here in the brown uniform. We get paid too, so.


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[Assistant] We too, me and him would stand out to watch a film on every team we played. Like I was getting in on defense. Cause he would ask me what I would see.


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[Assistant] I don't know, like for our team, we got, you know, everybody got their strengths. You know what I'm saying? My strengths is the run game. When it come down to the run game, that's what I do good. You know what I'm saying? So, and me and Grant do the, we got the same job. So me and him, we, you know what I'm saying? We would talk and he like, bro, this is what I see, this is what I see. So we always help each other out.


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[Assistant] And then now we come out and we're warming up, and they run through our drill. Oh, oh, it's old. Alright, cool.


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[Assistant] So now we break it down and all of us turn and we facing them. Man's like, yea, what y'all wanna do?


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[Assistant] Like, he's telling me, like, he's like, cause I'm playing special teams at the time. He's like, whoever you get in front of, kill.


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[Assistant] Just learning the defense. Ooh, just learning the defense. At the end of the year, we still learning the defense still. You know what I'm saying? We still learning the defense. But, so now all is going back in, now we learning the same stuff and running the same stuff we been probably gonna run it a little bit different, tweak it of course, but now it's gonna be way better.


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[Assistant] He helped us a lot, you know, cause he was a great player, so. He was okay.


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[Assistant] So, so him being in that room, you know what I'm saying, with them linebackers, you got young, talented guys, like, you know, J.O.K. young guy, you know what I'm saying, then we had, uh, Mahmood, who was a free agent, made the, you know, another young guy that can learn, then you still had Taki Taki, AWALT guys that are already smart, good players, and


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[Assistant] Just getting his insight and helping was, shoot, that was just a booster for us really.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to be honest, I am surprised. Cause everybody, when I hear, you know, when I hear in the locker room, they're like, hey bro, we love Kevin. You know what I'm saying? Cause Kevin's a, he a player coach. You know what I'm saying? Like, Swartz, Swartz a player coach, but Swartz like, it's my way or the highway. Exactly. It's like Big O.


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[Assistant] The guy, he need to be like that. Yeaah. But, yeaah, that's surprising because, you know, he's a player coach, you know what I'm saying? He gonna look out for the players. And he asks us all the time, like, what do we want better and what do we need from him? So, that's surprising for sure.


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[Assistant] Uh, I wouldn't, as far as my first year is a different, different kind of impact is this year. Because I think this year, more of our impact came from Swartz, you know.


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[Assistant] We have to weigh in on Fridays. So, they say on the thing, they say weigh in before the team in, but as we walk out of team mean, you know, they got people pulling like, hey, come weigh in, come weigh in. We went in the defensive mean room, short said.


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[Assistant] I bet not see not one more defensive player get weighed in at the team meet. He said if you get weighed in at the team meet, you might as well take your ass home.


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[Assistant] So that's like, that's certain stuff that's like, it's a different, you know what I'm saying? He gonna drop his nuts every time. He don't care. And he don't care who he talking to.


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[Assistant] I'd probably still rock with it. But mainly because my first year in college I wore three. Okay. My second year in college I wore seven. Okay. In high school I played quarterback, I wore ten.


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[Assistant] And they ended up just giving me 37. Okay. So I ain't really realizing. So you said the universe. I ain't realizing until my mom was like, you know, that's really every number you ever wore your whole life.


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[Assistant] I ain't gonna lie, we got a couple people. Awok probably got every cleats you can think of, bruh. For real? Awok got, that boy might come in with some.


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[Assistant] So, my first big purchase was probably my truck. I got a TRX.


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[Assistant] So, but it's smooth, you know what I'm sayin'? I ain't used to the type of area, but you know, it's cool, it's calm, nice out there, so that's always good.


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[Assistant] Whole little rule book, man. But I think the only one that got me when it was like...


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[Assistant] Uh, probably, probably just, uh, being a better teammate, you know what I'm saying? Being a more vocal teammate to my teammates, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] Make sure you always round the ball. If you always be around the ball, you always got a chance.


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[Assistant] Be around the ball. You know what I'm saying? If somebody pop up with this film, and every time they cut this mug on, they cut a play on, you always near the ball.


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[Assistant] It like, bruh, that man getting to the ball. Even in practice, I'm running to the ball.


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[Assistant] I mean, the reaction was shocking to everybody, you know what I'm saying? But like I said, we chose the wrong day to play our first game.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? We chose the wrong day. You know, everybody had that day where, you know, you had players that had a bad day. And a lot of us had a bad day that day. So, we chose our, we chose a bad day to have a bad day. And, you know what I'm saying? Upset and them boys, they did what they were supposed to do. And then they came out with,


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[Assistant] That's what they do. They gonna go back and watch everything you got beat on, they gonna tweak it to their ability or their players, and they gonna run the same stuff.


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[Assistant] That's a good thing about Swartz, you know what I'm saying? Swartz allow him, you know, you got players like that, but you gotta utilize, they gonna chip, they gonna double. And Swartz utilizes trying to put him in different places. So, they ain't gotta be like, oh, we gonna have this best tackle on him all game. Nah, what you gonna put him over that too? You know what I'm saying? You gotta make sure he the best tackle too.


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[Assistant] They said they was gonna ban me, I don't care personally. Don't let me get that close.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, uh, MJ had something to me. Cause he was at the game. Mark Emerson. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] We're going to talk about Andrew Berry does not have a contract. Does that mean he's going to spend his rent money in the club? We'll explain what that means when we come back. McNuggets.


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[Assistant] Uh, T Higgins, you gotta go because of contractors. You know, you structure your deal. You get them up out of the division, man. When you're playing the Baggles and Joe Burrow and they got two receivers that might be better than your receivers, that's just a really big advantage around, especially when you got a franchise quarterback.


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[Assistant] He's, he's, he's, he's not where he was in 2022. If, if you can get the Jose from 2022, where he's already up around 120-something RBI's.


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[Assistant] Say 285 and 25, 26 home runs. I think that puts you in contention in this division with a weak division. I think, uhm, it'll be a lot to ask him to get it hit, hit in the thirties anymore. Even though you have them, you say yesterday. See, I don't think so.


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[Assistant] Happy Friday, Northeast Ohio and wherever you may be watching us from. We are on WKYC and in the next 30 minutes we're going to talk Browns, Cavs and Guardians. We're going to discuss whether or not the win total for the Guardians is properly set.


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[Assistant] The Super Bowl is coming up, but it's fun that now we're, we're adding a little bit of all three teams. We're going to talk guardians. We're going to talk calves. And of course we will sneak in some Browns. I want to start with the Cavaliers because the narrative, the first month of the season was when does JB get fired? JB Bickerstaff.


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[Assistant] I'm famously knocked out of the first round of the playoffs last year when he had a great regular season, over 50 wins for the Cavs.


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[Assistant] Now he's actually being mentioned as one of the front runners for Coach of the Year. As they say, life comes at you fast. Should J.B. Bickerstaff be considered or be the front runner for Coach of the Year in the NBA?


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[Assistant] Yeah, is it Mark Dagnall? Is that how it says his last name? I, I think that I, you're right, I think there was expectations in Oklahoma City, but I was reading up on this question because I'm like you, I'm like, you know, I don't even know. I haven't given that much thought this year. I did think about Finch in Minnesota.


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[Assistant] What OKC is doing is, and Mike, you'll appreciate this,


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[Assistant] They're running some concepts that you don't see all over the NBA. And he, it's kind of like it's, he's the brainchild of them.


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[Assistant] Or at least he's the guy that's brought it into the association. So I don't know if he's, I don't know if he's gonna end up winning the award, but I just don't think I can give it to a guy who last year finished with 50 wins and was run in the first round of the playoffs. I need to see him do something he hasn't done before.


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[Assistant] Mike, we gotta get your thoughts on this. You're the basketball mind here. Uhm, who's the coach of the year in your view?


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[Assistant] We did this with the Browns, an MVP, most valuable person. I don't think Kobe Altman has got his just due.


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[Assistant] for the moves he made in It was clear after watchin They were one dimensional a They're not anymore. And h moves, but he made the righ Colby Altman has done a tr getting this team back to


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[Assistant] But now everybody is in place. Dickerson was the last hire as the offensive line coach. Is this coaching staff, as you look at that, better, worse, or the same they were


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're exactly right. The pressure is as high as it's been in the Stefanski era.


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[Assistant] I can't say they're better because I don't know the answer to the biggest question. Who's calling the plays?


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[Assistant] That's a downgrade. I mean that is definitively a downgrade and it's not a knock on Andy. It's just you're replacing the best to do it. So in my view though, the biggest question.


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[Assistant] In this equation is who's calling the plays. If you're replacing the coach of the year, the two time out of four years coach of the year play caller for the Browns with a guy that got fired midway through last season and his team got markedly better when he was gone,


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[Assistant] I don't see how you can say that this coaching staff is better, but I think it was you that said you're going to wait and see.


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[Assistant] It might be better if Ken Dorsey ends up being a perfect fit and he's calling plays and suddenly Deshaun looks like Houston Deshaun again, then they're better, even with the loss on offensive line.


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[Assistant] All right, the next year's schedule is interesting. There is still a shot. It's a slim shot, but there's still a chance that our Cleveland Browns could actually


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[Assistant] Open the season in Brazil. On a Friday night. On a Friday night against the Philadelphia Eagles. On the plus side, if they were to do that, they would get an extra couple of days before their week two game, because obviously Friday to the next Sunday would be nine days.


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[Assistant] Alright, uhm, let's talk about this because it's the elephant in the room. If you're the Cleveland Browns, you're watching another Super Bowl, the 58, where your team, which statistically has a 1 in 16 chance of going,


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[Assistant] has never gone. It somehow defies the odds of logic that they've never been there. And when you start looking out, say the next six, eight years,


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[Assistant] There's a guy named Patrick Mahomes that seems to have that AFC spot on lockdown.


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[Assistant] Are the Browns ever gonna make it a soup, make it to a Super Bowl in the Patrick Mahomes era?


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[Assistant] I expanded the question and I know that Mike wrote the question in the Mahomes era, but my answer to that is


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[Assistant] I don't have much faith at all. And it's not really a knock on the Browns, although they've given us enough historically to think that they'll do something to keep themselves from going. But in the Patrick Mahomes era,


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[Assistant] You're also gonna have the guy that won the MVP in the league last night. For the second time. For the second time, and he's the same age as Mahomes. And you've got a guy who's either, I think he's a little bit younger than Mahomes in our division as well.


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[Assistant] So the gauntlet that the Browns have to get over to finally get to a Super Bowl, you can argue is as stiff as any team in the NFL. Cause we have two MVP caliber quarterbacks in our division.


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[Assistant] And in our conference, we have a guy that's widely regarded as being better than both of them.


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[Assistant] The win total for the Cleveland Guardians in 2024. Stay with us.


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[Assistant] Inside Joe, welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Don't forget to check out all the other Ultimate Shows. Ultimate Browns Show, Ultimate Cavs Show, Ultimate Guardians Show, Ultimate 216 Show. The Ultimate Sports Network in Cleveland is growing. Alright guys, the over-under line for the Guardians this year, 77.5. Too high, too low, just right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I have them under, and, uh, so let's just look at what they did last year. They finished just under 500. Uh, Tito's gone.


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[Assistant] Tito to me was worth a handful of wins, but probably more than most managers in baseball.


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[Assistant] Uh, nothing against the new guy. Steven Vogt seems to be fine. Everybody likes him. We don't know him yet. Uh, what did they do to upgrade?


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[Assistant] Uh, nothing. Nothing? No. So, if you were under 500 and you won 80 last year, and you've lost Tito, and you did nothing to get better, I love the Guardians, going out there in a little while to cover them in Spring Training.


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[Assistant] I have them in the under and I think I would probably, even if it was 75, be under that.


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[Assistant] It's a good question. The brand that I have for the Guardians this year is there in a rebuild.


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[Assistant] And that's never good for attendance. And also the other thing on that, if Bieber and Klasay start the season with the Guardians.


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[Assistant] There's a very good chance neither finishes the season. I don't want to say very good chance. Yeaah. There is a chance, they're both chips and they're going to be suitors for both. True. Every great team needs a great closer. Class A punches that ticket. Every great team


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[Assistant] Use a front of the rotation quality guy like Bieber in a pennant race. So I think they'll be sellers as they were last year at the trade deadline and that could tank the second half of their season.


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[Assistant] And like the Mets last year, you could have an injury. That's right. And then you need to go out and get someone. Alright, we're taking our second break. When we come back, it's pre-written headlines ahead of Super Bowl 58. Who wins? How do they do it? We tell you all you need to know when we come back.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. It is pre-written headlines ahead of Super Bowl 58. Next week we'll give you lottery numbers before they're drawn.


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[Assistant] Wouldn't that be a great segment? Alright, here's mine. Gosh, I thought about this for so long and I talked myself in and out of this pit twice. But in the end, I'm going with the 49ers because that's who I had at the beginning of the season. And here's my headline.


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[Assistant] Pretty good after all. Niners slow Mahomes goat race with 24-20 win. I love this San Francisco defense and I also want to be able to say coming into next year, yeaah, we beat them.


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[Assistant] This team isn't built to do that though. This, this Chiefs team, like if they get down big, they were not the past crazy offense this year. I still wouldn't bet against them.


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[Assistant] No, I know I feel crazy and I could easily be talked out of my pick, but right now I picked the Niners at the start of the year. I gotta stick with them.


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[Assistant] Well, don't minimize it. Uh, well, yeaah, uh, two days ago I was told the defensive line coach puts out tackling dummies, and now the offensive line coach is the end of the world. So how is that possible? Well, we've seen what magic he's worked here. Have we?


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[Assistant] Usually when I hear people say they want to spend more time with their kids, they're doing something else within a year. I dunno.


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[Assistant] But I'm just saying, I just think in the grand scheme of things, no one position coach takes a team, moves a team up or down that much. We need Joe Thomas on this.


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[Assistant] But why can't you say that about the other coaching position? I just think that's a little unfair.


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[Assistant] How many, if you had to say right now today, how many wins the Browns are going to get next year? I know it's impossible to answer, but just answer anyway. How many, how many wins Browns next year? What do you got right now?


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[Assistant] Okay, are you changing that number? Because Bill Callahan's gone.


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[Assistant] Well, there's no way to quantify that. If you, if you had another offensive line coach who was the eighth best offensive line coach in the league.


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[Assistant] You guys keep giving me examples as if, see, it's vindicated because the Browns offensive line is great. But the Browns offensive line wasn't great this year. It was mediocre. Now you want to say with the worst coach it would have been even worse than that? You're probably right. I just don't know. You're making it seem like this is the only offensive line coach in the whole league that makes a difference. And I think that's crazy.


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[Assistant] I don't think anybody's arguing that he's not awesome. The argument is how big a loss.


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[Assistant] I love that you chuckled because I think there's something to that. I mean, it's just so much of an overstatement.


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[Assistant] Again, let me make it clear. Bill Callahan's a great coach, and it is a loss. I just don't think we need to go overboard as if this just kills the team. It matters, and any of these, when they fire the tight end coach and these other guys, I think it barely mattered at all, if at all.


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[Assistant] Plus 19 last night. Is there something with the chemistry of that guy with other people that means something?


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[Assistant] One thing we gotta be careful of, we're, we're building up Mike's ego a lot.


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[Assistant] Close. In fairness, Kyrie's done nothing without LeBron. Facts. Okay. Nothing.


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[Assistant] Right. Donovan Mitchell has to be the one. Now I get what you're saying, Jason. Ultimately, Kyrie made the biggest shot in the history of the franchise. And so you got, yes, you have to put him ahead. But it's not an apples to apples comparison.


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[Assistant] The part about it not being close is unfair because Kyrie was put in a situation and he came through and Donovan Mitchell hasn't been in an equivalent situation is all I'm saying.


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[Assistant] Jason, I mean he'll speak for himself, but he...


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[Assistant] Talk me off the ledge if you will before we start of the show as to why ultimately the Cavs will not make a trade now for LeBron but should absolutely go after him in free agency at the end of the year while still having all these guys.


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[Assistant] And I don't buy that you can't make an argument for Michael. I have LeBron ahead of Michael, but I don't buy that you can't make an argument for Michael. Oh, of course you can.


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[Assistant] I agree with that, however, I would argue, and again, I have LeBron personally ahead of Michael, but I would argue, and a lot of Jordan people argue this, and I do think it's fair,


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[Assistant] First of all, I, I have to go back and look at those years because I think he, he eventually did beat some of those good teams. Maybe they weren't at their peak, peak, peak of their, but Isaiah Thomas is a major ax to grind with Michael Jordan. I gotta look at the numbers. Maybe he's right.


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[Assistant] That's the one that kills in the bowl. That's on him. That's on him. They should have won that series. Yes. And his, obviously his champion, he would have, he would have another championship. Agreed. I think that's the one that hurts him more than any, cause that.


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[Assistant] Speaking of which, shout out to the quarterback of the Rocky River Pirates who, uh, just accepted the scholarship to Dayton. He's called Julian Patty. He was the quarterback. Rocky River made a nice run, so congratulations to him.


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[Assistant] By the way, Lip Gallagher is a character from the TV show Shameless that's no longer on. Great show.


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[Assistant] David Nujoku just reached that level. That's a smoke tree bull. And he's not, no, no, no, I'm, I'm agreeing that they, that it should be the priority. Yeah.


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[Assistant] They do have two re- to me, tight ends and wide receivers. Gee, stop shaking your head. I'm with you. They gotta get another guy. I'm not trying to hear that.


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[Assistant] Everybody else has to do more than Patrick Mahomes. Right? So, who's the only team with three big time guys is really San Francisco. And they're in the Super Bowl. And they're in the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] You know. But that usually equals yards. Yeaah, but the point is, like the one you said, like there was one year where Jarvis Landry had like a thousand fifty and Beckham had a thousand twenty. Well that's why their passing game wasn't good.


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[Assistant] They barely went over a thousand. Those guys were not top 20 wide receivers. It's the point, do you have, like David Adjoku is now clearly a top 10, borderline top 5, probably tight end in the league, right?


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[Assistant] Omari Cooper is a really good wide receiver, but he's not in the top 10. He's somewhere between 10 and 20 probably. 10 and 15. But so you need to, if you're not gonna have a top five guy, then you gotta, if you're gonna beat Patrick Mahomes, and I know this is what you were getting to,


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[Assistant] If you're not gonna have a top five guy, they probably won't because top five guys are not available right now, well then you better have two top twenty receivers.


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[Assistant] Yes. Or, or at the very least, two top 25's receive, you know, you know what I'm saying? Somewhere in that neck of the woods. And the guys we've talked about would. And even though Najoku's a top 10 tight end at this point, his track record of that level is only one year. So we don't know for sure that he can repeat that. I think we're confident.


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[Assistant] That's true. So yes, absolutely. I, I, I think with a hundred percent that wide receiver is their number one priority and I hoping that Andrew Berry was just not so


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[Assistant] I think they have solved the long-term issue as their third pass rusher with Agbo.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, you know, his, his statistics have been a little underwhelming considering how talented he is. I agree with that. But the guy's a freak. I mean, he's, he's got the speed and the size. I mean, obviously he'd be a perfect fit, but you'd, I mean, you'd have to give up a first round pick.


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[Assistant] But they have been very aggressive. They've spent assets on them. They've just got outside of Cooper. They've gotten it wrong. But in the last, in the last two years, they've traded for Cooper. They've traded for more. They drafted Tillman. They drafted Bell.


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[Assistant] And they signed, you know, Marquis Goodwin. Obviously they haven't done outside of Cooper, they haven't done well with those, but it's not like they've ignored the position, they just analyzed it wrong.


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[Assistant] Other than, other than, Tankdale, they could, but Tankdale was a miss.


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[Assistant] With that, you know, general area of the draft in terms of wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Now he's, uh, on a team that now they're going to have a high pick, so he'll probably get a quarterback, but is there any team with less skill, position, talent than the Patriots?


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[Assistant] If you combine their rushers and receivers


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[Assistant] Not combine, like, add their stats together, but like, their rushing leader, their receiving leader, the most yards they had, one player had, either rushing or receiving, was 642.


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[Assistant] They were dead last in offense. And that was Ezekiel Elliott running the ball, averaging three and a half yards per carry. Are they third? I think so.


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[Assistant] No. Taekwon Thornton was like their fifth, their twelfth leading receiver.


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[Assistant] He's done a horrendous job at GM. He's arguably been the worst GM in the league for the last five years. And so why is another team, when he's in his seventies, why would you turn over your whole organization to him when he's shown you in recent years he can't draft?


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[Assistant] And he's no, yeah, the guy's arguably the greatest coach ever, he has no coaching tree.


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[Assistant] Like the Patriots to trade up to one. Yeaah. Because then who picks two as another team needs a quarterback.


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[Assistant] So if I'm the Bears, I'll say, okay, Patriots, you want your pick of what quarterback you're going to take? You better hop over the commanders. The Patriots trade up to one, Bears go to three. They still get the guy they want, Marvin Harrison, and they get additional things. And if they stay with Fields. If they stay with Fields. If they're not.


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[Assistant] Well let me clarify, sorry Mike. He didn't know who the 10 players were going to be.


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[Assistant] That's right. Sorry, sorry, Jay. Real quick, do we have time to play the clip? Because I thought the guys would find this interesting. Mike, do we have time or no?


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[Assistant] So, Stephen Kwan, so right now on MLB radio, they're doing a really fun thing. They are, it's called Player's Week. So every hour,


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[Assistant] During the day when they have live shows from, I think, 7 a.m. to 4 p.m., whatever it is, there's an active Major League player that is sort of the co-host for that hour. I've heard a little bit of great. Yes. It's great. Yesterday, Stephen Kwan was with my man C.J. Nickowski and Ryan Spilborgs.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the afternoon and Kwon was asked about his confidence level. They were talking about the fact that last year was the first time in his career between the minors and the majors that he had more strikeouts than walks. And he talked about his confidence level and building it up. And he said something fascinating about when he was a freshman in college, if we could play it here.


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[Assistant] Rushman. They had a very good team. It was Lover. What's his name on the twins? Trevor Larnac. I can't remember how to pronounce his last name. There's a few different guys and he said he felt like a total phony. He thought he sucked. He couldn't play. He had no confidence. He didn't believe in himself. He was to hear a player admit that.


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[Assistant] Just blew my mind and he said at the end of his freshman year, he...


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[Assistant] didn't make it to the majors. The guy who was a starter at, in his position kind of took him under his wing. It was, it was just really fascinating because you never hear players be vulnerable like that. And I thought it was pretty, pretty cool that Stephen Kwan.


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[Assistant] Is a next level intelligent. Just listening to him talk. I mean, he's a great guy. Oh my God. Such an unbelievable. I'd love to get him on, but it was really cool. He was really great.


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[Assistant] He's a draft analyst guy. And he said that Michael Pennex Jr. has a reputation of not working hard. And I thought that was totally outrageous for him to say that. That's secondhand opinion. Secondhand information is one thing. Secondhand opinion is lame. I don't like that, throwing that on a guy who's about to get drafted.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's a lot of fun. I think we definitely take a lot of pride in that being our identity and being able to, uh,


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[Assistant] I think we kind of have that internal competition, like you're always trying to not only compete against the other team, but we're kind of trying to best each other. And I think that kind of brings out the best in all of us.


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[Assistant] You know, it definitely leads to a lot of good things and we're definitely excited to have Shane and Tristan back healthy this season. I think that that's going to bode well for us and like I said, we're excited, ready to go.


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[Assistant] I mean, the easy answer would be me to say me.


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[Assistant] For sure. I think it's all like in, it's all healthy. It's all in, in good fun. It's never, you know, I'm hoping for someone to do bad. It's always like we want someone to do good and then we just try to do a little bit better, you know? And I think that just kind of does well for the team as well. It puts us in a good spot to win a lot of games. So that's, I think we have that for sure.


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[Assistant] I think all that comes with that is experience and with experience comes game planning and how you're going to attack pitchers and.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, can produce the power numbers. And again, the guys that have been in the lineup in the last few years.


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[Assistant] It's kind of on us, again, to be there to support, um, you know, Nails Hosey.


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[Assistant] Uh, pitchers have all this technology that they can utilize. They have different


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[Assistant] Place for hitters, and it's kinda on you, it's kinda on your...


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[Assistant] It's all about being on the barrel and all about being able to catch a ball out front and taking your chances. And so the more that you can anticipate and do that, the more it will lead to home runs.


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[Assistant] Sticking to my approach, and if I have to take that pitch, like, not everyone's gonna catch up to a hundred mile an hour Derek Cole fast world top of the zone. It's just not...


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[Assistant] I don't know, my first instinct is hopping over that fence and trying to go help out. I think the first person I saw over there was Nails, which is, you know.


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[Assistant] Obviously we're gonna, we're gonna talk about the power numbers and that's obviously gonna have to happen.


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[Assistant] If I want to stick around, it's just the, the way that the game's evolving. So we're going to.


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[Assistant] Stick to a really good approach, have a really good plan every day, and whatever happens, happens from there.


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[Assistant] You know, you do something every single day and if you don't change it...


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[Assistant] I guess just last year. Uhm, so the fact that I was able to even hang around in Cleveland last year was a blessing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's it. I mean, unbelievable, but...


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[Assistant] I mean, he deserves every bit of it. There hasn't been a player like that in our lifetime. I don't think there will be. I know there's a kid at Florida who's, he's a lefty, throws a hundred and hits bombs, but


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[Assistant] And it's going to be exciting to play the Dodgers. They've created kind of a Miami Heat All-Star team down there from 2012. So it's, it'll be fun.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm scratching at the bit to do it. Uh, I'm gonna have to fight Myles Raul cause he's, he's a huge, he wants to do it and uh, he can do it. He's not throwing knives at people. No, but they, they don't want you to get hurt and so.


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[Assistant] The powder, the black and powder blue is the best. I don't care.


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[Assistant] I don't think that's this year, I think next year.


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[Assistant] So when Mobley's in, you don't want him shooting threes. Is he in at the four or the five for you? That's what I need to know.


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[Assistant] Become a better three-point shooter in practice. No, you just can't care.


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[Assistant] You gotta think about a mind of an NBA player. If he can just put on tape that he has the ability to, so say he moves to the five. Let's, for example, let's say he moves to the five and him and Donovan is running pick and roll, okay? Right.


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[Assistant] To have the threat of a guy that can pick and stay at the 3-point line or roll, that's, that's a lot. And then on top of that, if he does stay at the 3-point line, that takes the big out of the paint. Now Donovan can finally go to the cup and he'll have to kick it. He can finish.


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[Assistant] They're not naturally tough. Right. But if you tell yourself, you know what, today I'ma be, I'ma be the baddest MF out there. And I don't care what nobody say. You will go out there and you will be that guy. Wow, no kidding. I did it. That's amazing. Oh, I did it.


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[Assistant] But see now, but then I got, I turned 20, I'm about to be 30 in a couple of weeks and I'm not, you know, I had kids. Are you having a big party? You're soft now, right? I'm not soft. That's the difference. He's medium soft. I ain't soft. But I ain't, I ain't turned 30.


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[Assistant] Develop it. You better tell him you could be Brooke Lopez or you could be Ben Simmons.


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[Assistant] Hold on, no, wait a minute, I got it, is he the four in front? That's my, right there.


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[Assistant] Contestant number five. What is your injury history?


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[Assistant] Well, well, well, because one, we need to stretch the field. We've been talking about that for two years. So, and that's the one thing that's missing on this roster too. If a quarterback says he's, we're going to throw the ball a bunch of times, just shout out Watson wants to throw the deep ball. That's like, we know Mark Cooper is really good, but you know, that,


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[Assistant] He's getting up there in age. You know, you need a guy that can, a deep threat that somebody is like, Oh my God, I is Hollywood Brown. I'm checking. Let me back up. That creates so much space for everybody else to eat. And Deshaun Watson is one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL. Let him throw the deep ball to a guy that can get the ball that he can get down there and make some


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[Assistant] Because at the end of the day, Omari Cooper's getting older.


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[Assistant] I think that when I think about Marquise Brown, I think about the fact that Mar Jackson went to the bathroom, came back, and threw a game-winning touchdown against Cleveland Brown to Hollywood Brown. That's a fact. That's what I think about.


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[Assistant] Out of everybody on that list, if injury wasn't a factor, I'd take Mike Williams.


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[Assistant] Woah, woah, we need a possession receiver. Mike Thomas, if it touch Mike's hands, Mike catching it.


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[Assistant] Joe, you know, you got there a little bit late, so you missed, you know, training camp and all of those things. And the culture was pretty sad. You know, I played in a lot of...


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[Assistant] Joe, you know when you came to Cleveland and you got into this Kevin Stefanski offense, you did an amazing job at


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[Assistant] Running play action and putting your back to the defense. And you know, obviously it's a lot of quarterbacks that are not as comfortable. Why is it that you were so easy or why did it come so easy for you to be able to run play action, put your back to the, to the defense and still be able to be comfortable to make plays?


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, no, no. See, it's all about, so, so at safety, it's all about reading your quarterback. So what I did was, and initially, safeties line up at about 15 yards.


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[Assistant] For that play in particular, I lined it up at 20. You know why I lined it up at 20? Because Peppers told you to. No, I lined it up at 20. Listen, no this is serious. I lined it up at 20 on that play because


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[Assistant] I said to myself, I'm not backing up. I'm not taking no read steps. I'm flat footing this whole thing. And as soon as he come out of his read, I'm taking off. So as soon as he took his drop and he hits you and that shoulder went like this, go. I'd have loved to be in it. I'd love to be in it. That right there, that right there is how you go from


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[Assistant] Well that wasn't Drew, no actually, so this is the thing, back when, so Joe, Joe got injured, and Drew Locke ended up getting hurt.


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[Assistant] So at some point of that year, so when I got there, it was uh, Brandon Allen was the star. Oh wow. So you read his shoulders. Yeah, so, so Brandon Allen.


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[Assistant] This is what my third or fourth year in the league. So I'm like, at this point, I, I, I know safety, but I can read quarterback shoulders. So I'm like, well, let me, let me test this thing out. Cause I had learned to read the front tip when I was with the Browns. It was this dude by the name of, uh, what was the DB? Cause Jared Crusoe? I can't remember what his name was.


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[Assistant] You heard what you wanted to hear. That's your own problem. Anyways, I was putting that theory to test in Denver and it worked like a


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[Assistant] I know he is, but I'm trying to, I'm trying to educate him a little bit. The thing is, in practice, you gotta find your sweet spot. So what I learned is 20 is a little too far. You gotta be about 17. Oh, so you were too far away to get to the ball. 17 or 18 would have put me right there to undercut it. By the way, good news. But you gotta test it in practice. Some things, you know, a lot of people don't know about. Good news.


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[Assistant] That was just my choice. You don't have to do that. I did, I did LeBron, Joe Thomas, uh, Tito, Frank Kona, cause I wanted to be different. And my last one was Bernie Koza. They'll never, I wanted Bernie on my list. I think Bernie's too old.


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[Assistant] If we do a 2000 to 2000 on. So Bernie's in? No, Bernie's out. Oh, 2000. I would change Bernie for Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] I'm with him. The second, I'm with him. First of all, I can read. I was, Bull threw me off because he said. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Wait a minute, before you say that, the Swifties got so much power that Kyle Juszczyk's wife is now an official licensee of the NFL.


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[Assistant] Huh? He, he, yeaah, we talk to him every week.


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[Assistant] Now wait a second, I got killed for putting that in my top 5. You outta pocket!


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[Assistant] No, you out of pocket! I said I thought they were gonna cut it. I would never cut that.


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[Assistant] Yo, we wanna pass the ball, you know what I'm saying? So like, that's what we gonna do. We gonna pass it a lot. You know what I'm saying? He ain't gotta leave the state. He ain't gotta leave the state.


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[Assistant] And not just Jason's article, but tonight, the Ultimate 216 makes its second episode and Earl's gonna be talking in depth about what the city should do about the stadium situation, who should pay, who should be on the hook for it.


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[Assistant] And that conversation based off Jason's article will continue tonight with Earl the pearl at five o'clock on the ultimate two one six show. The links already up there. You can click the notify me button for when Earl goes live, but make sure y'all check out the ultimate two one six show tonight at five PM.


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[Assistant] A heroic comeback in the second half capped off by some heroics.


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[Assistant] From Darius Garland, who on the last play, and I pointed this out to Jason this morning.


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[Assistant] DG kinda called off Donovan Mitchell, who had a switch on Nikola Vusović and took that. It wasn't technically the game winner, but it was tied, hits the three, step back over Caruso. He missed the game winner on Monday, comes back, hits the proverbial game winner on Wednesday in crunch time in the closing lineup.


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[Assistant] How much do you think that does for DG's confidence now as he continues to assimilate himself back into this offense?


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[Assistant] I wanna add one, one thing too to what Jason said. This was a nationally televised game. And you look at how the All-Star break, the game before the All-Star break last year ended, they got smacked, whatever. The Caz had finally started getting a little more national attention. And then Monday happens and they lose to Philly and everyone's like, okay, fraud city. Now they're on ESPN, nationally televised game. The whole pregame lead up was.


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[Assistant] Are the Cavs for real? Is Donovan sticking around? All these questions and if they had come out on national TV before the All-Star break where they didn't have a chance to clear the record for another week essentially.


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[Assistant] That would have been the whole conversation again for a week. So to come out, close out with a win at least puts not necessarily in our eyes, but in the national scale, these guys finally starting to get the attention they deserve. There's not that asterix next to it for the next week as they get ready for the second half. So I thought it was important to come back and close out the game.


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[Assistant] When they won the chip? Yea. You also had Mo Williams, you had Shannon Frye, Richard Jefferson, confident shooter.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna move on. That was out of pocket time. It's even the day before your birthday still out of pocket. We're gonna move on to our next topic, but first a quick word from FanDuel. You can get buckets on your first bet with FanDuel America's number one sportsbook because right now new customers get $150 in bonus bets with any winning $5 bet.


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[Assistant] So every year, Bill Simmons, twice a year, does his annual MBA trade value rankings. He does it after the deadline. This encompasses contracts, age, ability.


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[Assistant] Everything into one. It's trade value rankings and he has 11 categories. We're gonna run through the categories real quick before we tell you.


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[Assistant] Forecast on the list, these are all the categories and this goes from 11 down to 1, which is the, you're never going to trade these guys. So it starts with the upside gang. Then you have legit quality starters. You have the, we're secretly listening, but we'll deny it. We have the, he's worth more to us than you category. We have the touchable untouchables.


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[Assistant] Next up, we have the too good, too young, too cheap category. We have the not a chance, stop calling. We have the budding franchise guys. We have the only if they made us do it. You have the untouchables, and then you have the utterly untouchables, which are your MVPs, Yokichan.


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[Assistant] Jared Allen, Evan Mobley fall into the same category. That is that he's worth more to us than he is to you category. Some other guys in that category.


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[Assistant] Are Rudy Gobert, LeBron James, Jaylen Brown, Julius Randall, just to name a few.


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[Assistant] Jason though, thinks Evan Mobley's categorized wrong here. Jason, you think Evan Mobley should be higher than the worth more to us than you category? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Sorry he's worth way more to us than you and budding franchise guys are.


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[Assistant] Uh, the incredible untouchable, the incredible touchable untouchables.


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[Assistant] Then you have the too young, too cheap, too good, please stop calling us. Then you have the, let me save you some time, F no category.


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[Assistant] I agree, I would bump him up. I do think budding franchise guy, I think he could be. I think compared to the other guys there, he's one step back. So I think he's in the, uh, too young, too good, too cheap. He's also on a great contract. I know part of this is future contracts and he's due for a max rookie extension, which probably plays a little bit of role in it, but I do think he's grouped a little bit too much.


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[Assistant] So here's Garland and he falls in the four person, incredibly touchable, untouchable category.


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[Assistant] He says Darius Garland, Carl Anthony Towns, Zion Williamson, and John Morant in this category. I think the premise of this is you look at a young, I'll use Garland for example, a young point guard, all-star caliber player, on paper.


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[Assistant] You're never gonna trade a 22, 23 year old who's an all-star at that position, but.


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[Assistant] I feel like that's the right answer. He's in the right category, the other guys with him are not necessarily in the same category.


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[Assistant] And I, but I do feel like the premise of it, if a team called Zion or the Pelicans was like, Hey, we'll make a list offer for Zion. In theory, they're going to say, we can't trade Zion, but they secretly be listening. I feel like.


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[Assistant] Well, let's go to the last one then, the Untouchables. Now, this is the second highest group. There is the utterly Untouchables, which is the Yannis's, the Lukas.


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[Assistant] The utterly untouchables, there are eight. Paolo Boncaro of The Magic, Anthony Edwards, Jason Taito, SGA, Wemba Nyama, Luca, Janis, and Jokic.


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[Assistant] The group above that is the only if they made us do it category.


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[Assistant] D'Aaron Fox, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard.


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[Assistant] Alright, well that was a good thought discussion because it leads us to the next thing, which is what I really wanted to get to today. Before we do that, if you're watching the show, we appreciate you watching. Make sure you hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. You could catch UCSS every day in podcast form as well. If you can't watch it live, if you want to listen on your drive into work or home from the gym, whatever you want.


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[Assistant] You can find us wherever you get your podcasts as well, but that was kind of a thought exercise to get us in the thought process for this next topic.


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[Assistant] This is all hypothetical. We are not advocating to trade anybody on the Browns. We just want to have a discussion about what some Browns players would be worth if they hit the open market. Once again, they are not advocating to trade anybody. We're just having a thought discussion.


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[Assistant] None of these guys are actually on the trade block at this moment to our knowledge. We are just having a hypothetical discussion about what their value would be if they hit the open market. So I'll give you guys a player.


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[Assistant] The Rams traded their second and third round picks in 2022 to get Von Miller. They didn't even give him a first round pick.


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[Assistant] What would the value for Deshaun Watson be if the Browns were to try and trade him right now?


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[Assistant] Quarterbacks always seem to get more than I think, so I would say a third. I think a third's probably right in the middle. Alright, I mean.


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[Assistant] I'm with you guys. Alright, let's go to the next one guys. Alright. Greg Newsome, who might be of all the guys we talked about, the most realistic guy who could be traded. What do you think Greg Newsome's value is if he were to hit the open market?


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[Assistant] All around the same area, that's clutch. Next up, Nick Chubb. Last year of his deal. 16 or 15.8 million dollar cap hit. What do you guys think Nick Chubb would get in return if he were to hit the open market?


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[Assistant] We got three more next up about David and Joku coming off his best career season still.


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[Assistant] We're gonna put the last two into one. We can combine these because they're both DBs.


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[Assistant] Denzel Ward, Martin Emerson Jr. Is there any question on who would get a bigger return?


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna play a little round of I Know I Think I Doubt, Brown's off-season edition. You guys know how this works. I give you a question, your answers either I Know I Think I Doubt, and then we will discuss afterwards. And Tyvis, my friend, you are up first. The statement I give you here.


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[Assistant] The Sean Watson will play like a top eight quarterback in 2024. I know, I think, I doubt. What say you?


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[Assistant] Jason, you're up next. I know I think I doubt. Miles Garrett will repeat.


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[Assistant] As the 2024 NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Do you think? Do you know? Or do you doubt?


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[Assistant] Any brown receiver, not named Amari Cooper, will finish the 2024 season with 900 more receiving yards. That is any pass catcher. Tight ends count. Do you know? Do you think? Or do you doubt? I think I put I think.


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[Assistant] I thought they agreed. That's my bet. I wasn't trying to. Jason, you're up to this one. I know. I think I doubt the Browns will have a top three pass defense in 2024. They were top three in 2023. Can they repeat you say?


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[Assistant] It does, but I think Tyvis is gonna get a little spicy here. Tyvis, Nickchub will rush for 1,125 yards in 2024. I know, I think, I doubt.


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[Assistant] Six yards to carry for the sake of argument.


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[Assistant] Last one, last one, last one. A brown not named Myles Garrett will finish the 2024 season with double digit sacks.


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[Assistant] Right at five o'clock. Yesterday, Bo, you and I had a chance to sit down with Guardians outfielder Stephen Kwan. Do you want to set up the interview? And we'll toss to our conversation with Mr. Kwan.


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[Assistant] Coming into your third season now, Steven, what are some of the things that you have kind of taken a...


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[Assistant] Bigger focus in to improve your game from 2022 to 2023 and now 2023 to 2024.


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[Assistant] You mentioned Tito Envote, which was my next question anyway, but you spent your first two years in the pros with a future Hall of Famer legend. And Terry Franconi, you move on to Stephen Vogt now who's making his managerial debut this season.


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[Assistant] It's early and you guys have barely gotten to Arizona, but what are some of the little differences you've noticed from your early conversations with Steven Vogt that just are a little different and maybe a different way of thinking than how Terry did it for the last, what, three decades in the MLB, which worked, but.


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[Assistant] New year, new era, new mindset is always, er, change is always, not always a bad thing.


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[Assistant] The fact that he was playing two years ago, like in your rookie season, have you guys talked about that at all?


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[Assistant] He literally was on the field with you guys two years ago, now he's leading a ball club in this capacity.


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[Assistant] Steve Becker, I'm also always interested in having extension talks if you want to extend my contract as well. Steven, last year, almost this exact time last year, we had Will Brennan on and I started


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[Assistant] The Will Brennan for 2023 MVP campaign. I was fighting the good fight and then material changes happened. It didn't work out. I think he got robbed. Shohei.


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[Assistant] It was really Will Brennan's award. It was close. It was close. So Steven, I wanna present this, uh, this opportunity to you. I will be...


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[Assistant] The champion, the campaign manager of the Stephen Kwan 2024 AL MVP award. If you want to, if you want it, first off, do you accept? I will be your champion and campaign manager for that award campaign. If you, uh, you accept and there's only one caveat.


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[Assistant] The opportunity to come back to a Cleveland guardians game and throw out the first pitch again. We did it in 2022 and Curtis snubbed us in 2023, but I will champion and campaign for you to win AL MVP. I will hit.


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[Assistant] I'll attack anyone on Twitter who says a single bad word about you. If you can get Curtis, let us start our first pitch again in 2024. You really put that on him?


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[Assistant] Beautiful. We did it in 2022. James is the only one that can throw the pitch though. I want my chance to throw a pitch as well.


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[Assistant] Last one from me, Steven, and this is not a silly question, but it's a serious one that I'm curious about that may have a silly answer. Is there any-


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[Assistant] If you end up going in a slump, we hear about players having superstitions, slump busters that knocked him out of a slump, Mark DeShara back at the Yankees always wore a gold thong when he was in a slump and...


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[Assistant] I can't imagine players are doing that now, but do you have any slug busters up your sleeve in case you ever fall into those situations or a superstition you do to get yourself back on track if things don't go your way for a couple of years?


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[Assistant] What were the college ones, Steven? What were some of the ones freshman year college that didn't end up working out?


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[Assistant] I know you gotta run, so this would be the last last one and we'd be remiss. Our director does look just like Austin Hedges, but you guys gotta back this offseason. How nice is it to have?


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[Assistant] Austin back with you guys and we know from everyone we've spoken to, he is the epitome of the Ultimate Clubhouse Guide.


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[Assistant] What's that? I've heard a report that Miles Straw is coming into camp. Yea, right. Like 50 pounds heavier.


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[Assistant] Coming up tomorrow and as always, if you don't catch the show live, you can check us out on podcasts as well. Got two super chats. Then we're going to wrap up the show here. Matthew Dinkins said, if I remember Bill Simmons had Evan Mobley ranked in the top five last year, quite a drop off.


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[Assistant] I'll double check. I'm not sure if that is accurate or not, but I know he was much higher on Evan before this season. And second, Sly says Barry needs to call.


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[Assistant] Quate, Casey, how do you pronounce the G M S? Quasey. Quasey, excuse me. AB needs to call Quasey and Poach Justin Jefferson. They don't have a quarterback to throw in the ball. Why would they do that? Do your old team a solid. Uh, that's not going to happen, Sly, but it's a great idea.


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[Assistant] Everybody is not, not seasoned in the way you're supposed to season. I agree. That's true. I be, you be, uh, y'all, y'all, yes, people be going to these parties serving hockey pucks.


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[Assistant] First of all, I got small pieces. I'm not going out here choking. What up, McNuggets?


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[Assistant] On all of your cuts, it cools it down quicker. That's right. So I don't do it all at once, I just do it piece by piece.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, that's not true. That's not true. First of all, if I got a ribeye, I cut around the ribeye, I eat the bone for last, and then I got the main parts. I eat the fatty parts first, and then I eat the other parts one by one. I slice it in like one piece into four pieces.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's a lot of times when, uhm, you know, you talk about Deshaun Watson and, and why people aren't really, uh, receptive of him or, you know, if they are a detractor of their standoffish wait and see. A lot of times we just put it to,


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[Assistant] The fact that it's just all about winning. And yes, winning counts for a lot of things and performance counts for a lot of things. But I wanted to show in this exercise is that it's disingenuous to think that the reason people don't believe in Deshaun Wasson or they're angry at him or they don't like him is simply based on what happens on the field.


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[Assistant] I did this as an exercise to show a gambit of responses by a large sum of people that show that it's not necessarily all about what he does on the field. As a matter of fact, I would argue that there's so many different various pieces and parts that people, uhm, have for not liking him, uhm, you'd have to take in consideration


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[Assistant] One of 20 different items or things that people have a problem with Deshaun Watson. So when you bring up why he isn't popular or why he isn't really in the same light as Baker or Flacco, sometimes we just, we hide it all under performance when obviously there's other things involved here, uhm, that, that run the gamut from money,


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[Assistant] Race, politics, uhm, you know, allegations, moral standing, uhm, you know, whether or not they have feelings or like the other two quarterbacks, uh, whether you connect with the community, ideologies, all of that stuff plays a role in it.


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[Assistant] So when you say the shine isn't light because of this, I think you need to be a more robust conversation around some of the items that we talk about and give reasons for. It is a stew, for sure.


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[Assistant] Can I ask something to what you said? Cause I thought you, I think you hit on something that was very profound. And I talked about this, I believe in our chat a little bit too.


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[Assistant] There is a uhm, and I don't like both-sides-ism, but there is a, there is a tug and pull when it comes to support. What do you mean both-sides-ism?


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[Assistant] So, so here's what I'll say. Bull said, you know, there is a group of people, uhm, that race could play a part in it, in, in not liking Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Also, there is, on the other side, there's a group of people in the African American community that may be standing and protecting Deshaun Watson because they're just gonna blindly trust him. Well, you don't, you don't deny that that is a real thing. No, no, no, no. Here's what I'm saying. It is a real thing. Yeah, like what I'm saying is,


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[Assistant] I've had conversations, right? And, and see, I'm, I'm in the street, like I'm, I'm


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[Assistant] On the ground level. Like, so people come up to me and here's the, here's the sentiment and I'm just trying to give you a mirror so you can see what people think about it. Take me out of it. I'm just the messenger. A lot of people say, look G Bush, this is a kids game.


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[Assistant] We understand that Shawn Watson ain't, you know, he, he's, he's not no perfect person.


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[Assistant] But people that stand on the soapbox and sit and scream and cry and jump up and down and say, he's a predator. Every time you could write a tweet, he's a predator, he's a predator, he's a predator, he's a predator, right? And he said,


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[Assistant] We are, we are in a presidential election and somebody was convicted. $89 million they had to pay. Now I don't really care about that.


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[Assistant] There's a cinema in the black community where it's like, we not like, about to let you do that again. We not about to let you just cancel this dude, like, and you're gonna pile on and all the media's gonna keep doing it. We're not gonna hear it. And what happens when


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[Assistant] When you feel like there's a grievance against and it's a bias, what happens is people dig in.


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[Assistant] And even if they did have something on Deshaun Watson or even if it was some, some truth to whatever happened.


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[Assistant] There's a group in the black community that's like, no, we're not going to let you do that, not going to let you railroad him when you don't hold other people in public positions. So that is both ways, right? That's what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] Did it or not. That's, and when I, when I want to, when I want to take it further because not,


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[Assistant] We said it's a part could be racial. There's another part that is called, you know, the economic disparity between players and fans. So that is also-


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[Assistant] $200 million. Well, here's what I'm saying. The disparity of when people bring up $200 million, right? There's a thought process.


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[Assistant] I work my ass off every single day. They play a kids game, right? They're very good at what they do. I admire them. Actually, I'm a fan. It's just, it's just, so they resent everybody. It's the dichotomy of being like you, you look like you got rewarded.


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[Assistant] For doing bad things and I'm over here struggling to put food on the table. That's why a lot of people bring up 230. Okay, so


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[Assistant] And plus Lamar Jackson is paying dividends on the field. Lamar, you see what I'm saying? That's another big part of it. So it's a combination of these. I just want to throw this out really quick so everybody can get back in. My thought process was that I also did this for Deshaun Watson, right? Because I wanted to show him, hey, you see all these things, reasons people don't like you?


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[Assistant] He, he feels like he's not, he is not free. He's not playing. When you ain't free and you trying to, you trying to please people. And I know it, it hurts. Stop reading your mentions. It hurts to hear people scream Flacco's name and you like, dang, I wish I could get that. It hurts to see anytime beggar plays well.


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[Assistant] It goes to, why did you keep, why did you keep baking? That hits your psyche. But I'm here to tell you, my man.


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[Assistant] Don't regret nothing. Leave it on the field. Do your thing. If you want to enjoy your life, you came from nothing. There's a lot of black males that came from zero. No father. Your mother had tongue cancer. You take care of a lot of people.


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[Assistant] Enjoy it. And the more you enjoy it, the more free you are, you'll get back to the old Watson. Cause I think you're searching for him. It's in there. You just gotta leave all the stuff alone. And at the end of the day,


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[Assistant] If you win these games and you play like you playing and being genuine, people will accept you and the ones that don't...


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[Assistant] We got him. There he is. Can I ask this question then? I've always had this issue, right?


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[Assistant] And I thought, I think it's strange. So you go back and read those mentions after the game. Everybody is fired up. You go back and watch our show that we did after that, fired up, right? So my question is, what happened


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[Assistant] Since then. Joe Flacco came in and the team looked remarkably better. Okay. That's what happened. So here's, so he's, they, they win the Ravens game, right?


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[Assistant] I would have expected people to be like, wow, this dude hurt his ankle and he probably needed surgery going in the second half. He was probably hurt the whole second half and what was his throwing arm and he led the team back to a great victory against a rival on the road. Big time win, right?


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[Assistant] Even nationally, by the way. National shows were singing his praises. So he gets hurt, right? You can say I'm disappointed because he got hurt.


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[Assistant] Right? But I'm not gonna go back and do revisionist history and say...


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[Assistant] Let me throw this out to Bull's point. Yeah. Expectations. Are we saying that the expectations from Joe Flacco was here?


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[Assistant] And when he played well, do you believe that elevated?


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco to a point where now you thought, well, he's playing this well, he might be on the same level.


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[Assistant] In the short term or in the long term? No, no, no, in the short term. Because here's the thing, for me, I view 11 and 12 games as the short term, right? Like to me, the sample size is like, I can't even really take the last six because it couldn't even practice. So I was like, okay, we'll take these six or whatever.